True Patriot Love - November 02, 2026


Canada’s Crime Report： OSAP, Home Invasions & Police

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00:00:00.000 well here we are again faced with a nation of crime not everything is a crime but there's a
00:00:10.640 lot going on as we cover it off every week here on tpl paul micucci joins me to talk crimes of the
00:00:16.160 nation thanks man for doing this well the first one as a parent of uh you know several kids this
00:00:23.760 osap thing has me just reeling yeah i'm bummed out mike when i when i hear these stories i just
00:00:29.600 think to myself my goodness something that's supposed to be so good and such a great program
00:00:34.960 gone so wrong the ontario ministry of colleges and universities led by minister nolan quinn is
00:00:40.240 investigating potential misuse of osap three academy uh three academy of learning campuses
00:00:48.000 opulence education group another one are challenging their removal from osap
00:00:53.040 eligibility. So the reason for it is that thousands and thousands of applications and
00:01:01.400 payments were made to students through programs at these schools that all came from now what looks
00:01:07.940 like the same IP address. In other words, they were just being processed. Right. Yeah. So, you
00:01:12.760 know, Mike, right away, you know, allegations haven't been proven in court. So right now it's
00:01:18.260 their allegations the academy learning is that denied wrongdoing okay and reported corrective
00:01:23.500 steps reporting does not establish personal wrongdoing by either founder so okay so they've
00:01:29.080 already responded to this yeah they're saying they haven't done it but there's some really
00:01:32.760 you know listen some of the things that popped up in this uh are are there definitely have some
00:01:40.280 challenges around them and some red flags that you wonder so the osap amount paid in one year
00:01:47.620 doubled and went up from like 500 million to 1 billion that's what i read from a from a
00:01:54.740 provincial perspective so you think quite frankly someone somewhere along the way would have said
00:01:59.220 okay let's let's do a uh reasonable test on this and see how reasonable this so the number of new
00:02:05.620 students uh the average amount of osap because we took a look at before the show mike we were doing
00:02:11.900 some math on kind of what osap payments would likely be excuse me and you know it's expensive
00:02:20.700 right so tuition is roughly 8 000 uh rent 8 000 groceries another 3 000 um and then you know you'd
00:02:32.620 be looking at transportation so you're looking at roughly about 20k that sounds right to send
00:02:40.140 a kid to school and osap in my personal experience that sounds just about right and uh
00:02:48.140 it depends of course on your qualifications to get that but if for example you have
00:02:55.660 a net zero income and you're a student in ontario and your family has disowned you or you're not
00:03:01.260 able to rely on your family you get the maximum osap a very quick favor before we continue a
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00:03:34.220 you now back to the show so so now the the allegations are what's coming out is quite frank
00:03:40.300 there's a bunch of recruiters or a recruiter i don't know how many recruiters and they're basically
00:03:47.180 filling out the forms uh enrolling these people and putting them into the course or a course
00:03:55.260 whatever course they have whether it's it healthcare finance whatever right yeah well
00:04:00.780 Well, if you take a look at the campuses involved, one in Brampton, one in North York, one in Bay Street, you know, total enrollment of students.
00:04:09.160 By the way, I never really paid attention to any of these schools, so that they had 6,000 enrolled students was shocking to me.
00:04:17.120 But 3,136 of those, or 52% of the applications, were processed for OSAP at just one of the locations.
00:04:25.920 3,460 of 6,000 students, 57% at another, and at their Bay Street location, 1,700 of 6,900 or 25% of their students were funded by OSAP in various degrees, but mostly to the max.
00:04:46.320 Right. So this is roughly 20,000 a student on average.
00:04:51.720 excuse me again and you they basically uh they got the full amount they went to a bank i guess
00:05:01.300 they the recruiters helped them fill out the loan apps they got the loans um they disappeared they
00:05:09.360 put them into the school i'm trying to figure out how this works now i i think what what happens is
00:05:13.560 this just guarantees the enrollment in their school frankly uh all of all of the rest becomes
00:05:19.280 the loan ownership of the students that are associated with them.
00:05:24.560 But what was really shocking?
00:05:26.460 So they never show up at the school.
00:05:28.100 They enroll in the school.
00:05:30.380 I guess they pay the $8,000.
00:05:32.280 Yeah.
00:05:32.880 And they never show up at the school.
00:05:34.600 They go get a job.
00:05:36.060 I don't know.
00:05:36.820 I mean, that's a great question.
00:05:37.980 Is there any validity to any of these students that were actually going on?
00:05:42.740 But there's some other evidence that's a little shocking on that front.
00:05:45.940 And that is that some of these agent forces were actually completing programs using AI technology and running the entire curriculum for said students so that they didn't fall behind in their programs.
00:06:02.520 Also, when surveyed, many of the students at these schools couldn't tell you, or a shocking number, I guess, couldn't tell you what the program was they were enrolled in.
00:06:12.560 Right. Yeah, well, that's where I'm thinking, Mike. I'm just trying to read between the lines
00:06:18.680 and figure out how it benefits everyone. Because every scam, every white collar crime or every
00:06:27.280 crime like this, quite frankly, has two parts to it, right? One is the person, let's say the
00:06:33.560 institution, and the other is, quite frankly, the individual. So, quite frankly, from a college
00:06:40.260 perspective or they basically get the fee well it's funny that you say that because if you think
00:06:45.040 about it in may of this year the three campuses were among six schools barred from osap citing the
00:06:52.120 inability to reliably determine genuine studies
00:06:56.020 yeah okay august 2026 the ministry issues its final decision the schools are challenged
00:07:05.020 are challenging it in court.
00:07:07.560 Further measures include KPMG audit, an OPP referral,
00:07:12.280 and a pause on OSAP payments to all private post-secondary institutions
00:07:16.400 and proposed accountability legislation.
00:07:19.040 That's a big one.
00:07:20.520 Whether the OPP referral includes specific allegations
00:07:23.700 against the Academy of Learning is unknown at the moment,
00:07:26.060 but it has been put before them for criminal purposes.
00:07:30.280 Right.
00:07:30.800 you would assume by the time you get all that distance in this investigation there have been
00:07:37.420 every indication that this is a criminal operation oh yeah for sure uh you'd assume
00:07:45.840 you know they'll have enough evidence to do whatever they're going to do with it but
00:07:49.560 but you know honestly my just doing the reasonable tests from the onset you think someone in
00:07:56.920 government would have figured out something was going awry so a simple test now unless they don't
00:08:02.540 know quite frankly which we've talked about on other shows if you don't know how many people
00:08:06.660 are immigrating here and you don't know how many people are here on an education you know a permit
00:08:12.000 that allows them to go to school uh an academic permit then quite frankly if you don't have the 0.99
00:08:18.500 stats i guess you can't do the reasonable test and that's the challenge why do we well i do think
00:08:22.920 to that degree there was so much immigration so many foreign students in our country at the time
00:08:27.660 that most people probably just went okay the the increase in use of these schools is because of
00:08:33.280 immigration when now we're finding out that it's these agents these fake schools potentially or
00:08:39.860 not easy to justify schools and by the way just once again all charges alleged and we'll see what
00:08:46.140 happens but these were the focus points but these these recruiters who are going and getting people
00:08:51.480 are going to the countries they're taking a big fee a thousand or two thousand dollars they're
00:08:57.800 getting them in um and then they're starting them into the course by signing them up to the course
00:09:06.760 again where are they where are they and that they still you know when this gets unraveled and
00:09:12.360 looked at will they be implicated in all this and will they have any penalties or fines or
00:09:17.640 or it's a lot of money, Mike.
00:09:20.260 We're talking, at the end of the day, what is the quantum of this?
00:09:23.680 How much money are we talking?
00:09:25.500 There's no direct correlation between what's gone on here and immigration.
00:09:32.900 There hasn't been any real linkage at the moment between those two.
00:09:37.040 So the truth is we should have just had an eye on this.
00:09:41.580 Yeah, but this is several hundred million dollars,
00:09:44.120 not just with this institution but across the board so we're you know if this thing levels off
00:09:50.120 and it's two three hundred million dollars it just never it just disappears i guess okay well uh
00:09:56.840 no crime charge at the moment on this one but definitely something nefarious going on thought
00:10:01.340 we'd mention it out of the gate this is a a really wild story and i hate hearing these
00:10:07.520 stories i'm glad there's been a rescue 97 dogs have been rescued from a fort mcmurray home
00:10:12.560 and a woman who's been charged with animal cruelty.
00:10:16.320 61, by the way, 61 of the dogs have been placed in permanent homes.
00:10:20.840 25 are awaiting surgeries.
00:10:23.280 And all 98 dogs eventually were accounted for on the property, which is good news.
00:10:30.640 Can I throw something at you here, Mike?
00:10:32.360 Sure.
00:10:32.760 And I picked this one up in the news in Fort McMurray.
00:10:36.600 You know, one of the things I've advocated for and I've talked about
00:10:39.620 and I think some of the mayoral candidates in the elections that just happened across the nation
00:10:45.000 have talked about, we need better wellness checks in our communities. So as things like this happen,
00:10:52.060 you know, we can't, we tend to turn a blind eye, but you know, the neighbors when, you know, when
00:10:57.560 you pass dog 50, someone's got to time out because these dogs are not well cared for. And quite
00:11:04.420 frankly, they're, you know, if you leave a bunch of dogs together long enough, it becomes a pack
00:11:08.820 and then they become wild so then unfortunately if this had gone on any longer it might have
00:11:14.500 resulted in a bunch of dogs being put down because they become it's a pack mentality right
00:11:20.180 they they eat each other they it's a very tough environment because they lack food resources
00:11:26.400 so these are all the things that you know we we need to pay attention to but you know this isn't
00:11:32.700 just about dogs and this this lady this 51 year old woman who's about keeping an eye on the
00:11:37.900 neighborhood exactly so like when you're you know and i noticed i can see that i don't know for a
00:11:43.640 lot of you we just had halloween and i was going around the neighborhood i'm in right now and i
00:11:48.940 gotta tell you there's you know and i i said to my wife when i got home you know there's some odd
00:11:53.300 homes like you know the the lights are off and quite frankly you know it's a very and you know
00:12:00.500 i wonder all the time who you know when you see the people entering the home is there's some odd
00:12:06.060 things going on. So, you know, wellness checks on your neighbors, wellness checks on your
00:12:10.240 neighborhood. You know, it's an easy way, but it also eliminates some challenges down the road
00:12:17.020 that I think we all see. And what I found sad about this is this was somebody's best intention
00:12:21.800 gone off the rails. You could tell this lady wanted to do a dog rescue. She was trying to do 0.97
00:12:26.180 something. And honestly, there has to, this is, you're right. This is a wellness check to be able
00:12:32.200 go in and say look we understand your intention but you can't do this anymore for the sake of the
00:12:36.600 dogs for the sake of the community and and for yourself and health and health reasons yeah the
00:12:41.080 dogs you know uh paul to your point i'm driving across uh through manitoba and passing just on
00:12:47.480 the trans canada highway of all things i passed an abandoned school and in that schoolyard and i
00:12:52.920 showed you the photos are three fairly new cars yeah that have been abandoned there and completely
00:12:58.760 spray painted i'm going to say that they are all cars that are three you showed me and with paul
00:13:04.200 yeah and i go down the road three kilometers and they're doing uh uh speed trapping yeah and i
00:13:11.080 thought to myself i wonder if anybody wants to check on those stolen cars back there yeah in
00:13:14.840 that warehouse yeah yeah it's very very odd a sad story uh the next one an rcmp well this
00:13:22.440 This was a bad day at work, I think, for these police.
00:13:26.960 RCAV officer is cleared after a man is shot in the face during a 12-hour Grand Prairie standoff.
00:13:33.560 Paul, paint the picture of what these police were dealing with.
00:13:38.500 Yeah, so Schufeldt, who's the suspect, he refused to surrender.
00:13:43.520 He fired a gun towards the police multiple times.
00:13:46.120 he barricaded himself um which would look like a like a train like a subway train uh so they had
00:13:53.000 to go get a skidster which is an automatic remote control robotic skidster tie it up to the vehicle
00:14:01.480 um and then they and they attempted negotiations they used drones they used chemical agents
00:14:07.320 armored vehicles and they finally got the skidster they started to pull the r it was an
00:14:12.680 rv by the way sorry it was okay a train there was an rv they pulled it out windows broken shot
00:14:18.760 through they pulled it out he finally came out he comes out with a large knife he starts to make his
00:14:25.880 way back in um and the officer had a non-lethal weapon kind of like uh the less lethal lethal
00:14:33.320 yeah less lethal great product launcher launcher uh he shot it he had slipped on ice and it hit him
00:14:39.240 in the head oh okay so instead of getting shot in the head with a real gun and his life ending there
00:14:46.600 he took one in the face with a projectile yes lucky guy yeah he did and and so you know the
00:14:53.080 they did a hearing they had a hearing and and you know i think it's the right decision i want to
00:14:57.400 shout out to the group the investigators they came back and and uh he was uh absolved of i guess what
00:15:05.320 the shooting and everything was good so i wanted to note that one because i think that's important
00:15:09.880 to note and and uh that was in uh grand prairie alberta well you got to think that was the best
00:15:18.200 possible outcome actually paul yeah for this guy and for the police well think about how heralding
00:15:23.960 or how you know uh brave they were because quite frankly this gentleman or individual who came out
00:15:29.880 had a gun previously he's carrying a large knife you know they got it all resolved they it took
00:15:37.160 went on for 12 hours yeah and this is normally a death by uh uh by cop scenario right yeah well
00:15:46.440 instead it turned into an injury yeah so resolved which is great and then the the officer was also
00:15:54.360 uh cleared which is terrific that's fantastic i guess he slipped in the process of trying to
00:15:59.880 launch at the guy and instead of getting him in the leg which is you know an easier thing with
00:16:04.360 a launcher i think than people know it slipped and got him but the worst case scenario is the guy
00:16:09.200 got injured and everything calmed down yep wow they got interesting that's a that's a really
00:16:15.860 interesting uh string of events there for everybody involved what a brutal day as a cop huh
00:16:21.960 he had to hang out 12 hours i came on shift you got to sit there he's shouting screaming
00:16:27.940 shooting gunshots through the RV.
00:16:31.760 It just, you know.
00:16:33.400 You just know your day's not getting better.
00:16:35.160 No, they...
00:16:35.720 By lunchtime, you're like, oh, boy.
00:16:37.800 Yeah, we've tried a drone.
00:16:39.100 We've tried, you know, an armored car.
00:16:40.820 We've tried all these things.
00:16:41.980 We haven't got them out.
00:16:43.280 This is a good one.
00:16:44.340 I like the positivity that I feel off of this one.
00:16:47.720 Halifax police proposed budget freeze.
00:16:50.240 The police proposed the budget freeze.
00:16:53.460 And no new officers for 27-28.
00:16:57.020 Hats off.
00:16:57.720 fascinating yeah hats off um i thought this was i i threw this in as a story because you know in all
00:17:03.800 the elections and everything we were hearing a lot of criticism of police budgets mayors not sitting
00:17:09.560 on police boards well you know what down in halifax this is a great story the uh police
00:17:16.840 department decided they did not need a budget increase with respect to staffing they have a
00:17:22.680 small increase uh their budget is 103 million dollars uh they have a small increase due to
00:17:29.800 uh equipment aging and uh maintenance but that was it so i think it's like a one percent increase
00:17:36.200 so hats off and and uh the the officer or the uh that actually uh was asked to comment
00:17:45.320 made a i thought was an interesting comment he came back and said hey i wouldn't know what to do
00:17:51.960 with the officers if you gave them to me he doesn't need more staff he doesn't need more
00:17:56.600 managing crime in halifax at the at the maximum yeah that's really wild when's the last time
00:18:01.800 you've heard that no we never hear it quite frankly it's uh you know and and i thought that
00:18:07.000 was interesting with everything going on and and now you know we're about to see i think in the
00:18:12.840 major cities uh and this is um i'm trying to find his name led by uh don mclean the chief don mclean
00:18:21.960 and so you know what good for him i think it was a you know interesting comment and uh we just
00:18:27.640 wanted to give him a shout out that's a mentality huh yeah well i don't know what would i do with
00:18:31.960 more budget i'm good right now yeah that's a real east coast mentality isn't it well there's nothing
00:18:37.000 no harm in that right you know he and you know he made a comment he said listen um i see what's going
00:18:43.320 on with budgets and how budget how tight budgets are right now uh in the city so rather than add
00:18:50.680 stress i'm just gonna hold my budget steady that's there's a response that's a responsible
00:18:55.440 way to do things yeah very cool very responsible that's that's a good news story well listen on
00:19:01.060 that note let me just flip the coin on the good news oh sorry police chief story uh todd
00:19:07.640 matsumoto uh was named permanent surrey police chief after a lot of political nonsense going on
00:19:14.740 He was appointed to the Permanent Chief Constable of Surrey Police Services
00:19:19.360 after serving as Interim Chief of Police since 2026, June.
00:19:25.380 So he's been in there since summer.
00:19:27.680 The Surrey Police Board confirmed his appointment following a national recruitment process.
00:19:32.580 So they went across the nation and they found him to be the best qualified one at the time.
00:19:38.480 Incoming Mayor Doug McCallum has criticized the decision,
00:19:41.780 arguing that the outgoing police board should not have appointed a permanent chief just days before
00:19:47.440 the newly elected city council took office. Okay. Okay. Okay. So here's, I get it. But this guy came
00:19:57.160 in in a terrible scenario, took over the position, has managed it all summer long, has gone through
00:20:04.200 the vetting process. With all due respect to Doug McCallum, reelected, I think he, I think he was
00:20:11.380 a mayor at one point then he wasn't a mayor now he's a mayor again yeah it's been uh up and down
00:20:15.660 surrey surrey has enough issues we need the police to focus on police work not politics
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00:20:37.900 all right back to the show yeah that well and it's interesting mike so the comments below this story
00:20:43.860 which i thought were telling really were critical of these two mayors right the incoming mayor and
00:20:50.700 the previous mayor uh fighting again and the millions of dollars they spent in internal
00:20:55.640 fighting rather than focusing on crime and by the way they have a leaky border right there in surrey
00:21:02.100 i know and so you know it's like comment after comment that says you guys need to get your act
00:21:07.500 together focus on what you're doing put the past behind stop fighting there's too much infighting
00:21:12.680 politics they don't ever focus on the true issues like this it's you know actually comment after
00:21:19.340 comment so my comment on this one is doug let's why don't we try to get back to work you know
00:21:26.260 mayor mccallum let's try to give the guy a year how's that yeah give me your if he doesn't work
00:21:31.280 out and you know what take a look at your numbers crime and and you know i hate to say not to say
00:21:37.200 it's easy but recording of crimes and the statistics and the analytics that go into
00:21:44.560 criminology nowadays are very advanced deploy some of them watch how they move based on his
00:21:50.960 performance and there's your tell it doesn't have to be personal all the time and it doesn't have
00:21:55.360 to be about control and keeping a tab on everything so and then go and do your thing as a mayor
00:22:03.040 and that should be one of your many duties quite frankly that you oversee or be involved in but it
00:22:08.400 shouldn't be your main focus right off the hop no there shouldn't be a political there shouldn't be
00:22:13.440 a head-butting on the first week at school in my opinion no it's a tough one i leave uh probably
00:22:19.520 one of the most shocking and uh saddest stories in uh to the end uh in the bridal path as we
00:22:26.880 went into the weekend torontonians ontarians and frankly canadians i think were shocked to find
00:22:32.000 that we had awoken to a four-person injury scenario
00:22:38.620 on a break-in in somebody's home, gunshots fired,
00:22:42.360 a hammer used on the homeowners,
00:22:45.780 raging in age between 71 and I think 28, 26.
00:22:50.300 A family on the bridle path,
00:22:51.900 one of the most secure neighborhoods that you'll find in Toronto,
00:22:56.860 certainly one of the most established,
00:22:58.400 well-heeled neighborhoods in the country,
00:23:00.860 and just the events there afterward, very, very sad,
00:23:07.560 police describing life-altering injuries to some of the family members,
00:23:15.000 certainly something they won't stop thinking about the rest of their lives, frankly.
00:23:23.300 Now we find out that the police have had an opportunity
00:23:27.540 where somebody showed up with a gunshot wound to their shoulder
00:23:31.300 within hours or within an hour of this break-in,
00:23:36.980 and it didn't really get us any closer to an answer.
00:23:42.140 Yeah, yeah, and the gentleman, the police have identified Dijon Richards.
00:23:45.800 He's 23. He's at large still.
00:23:48.140 So they went to the hospital.
00:23:49.860 The hospitals are required by law to actually inform the police of a gunshot wound.
00:23:54.620 they went there um they didn't detain them so that's been something you know and every
00:24:00.720 i think over the weekend as i was moving around through halloween and all the events and
00:24:05.120 you know that one was like the low buzz chatter is like what the heck's going on that happened
00:24:09.880 yeah and they're like and you know and the other thing that people are starting to clue into that's
00:24:13.620 the 119th home invasion in toronto uh this year so far and the year's not up so they're like why
00:24:21.620 so many home invasions and quite frankly uh you know when the police actually correlate a gunshot
00:24:29.100 wound to a place where guns were fired they must have rights to detain to detain somebody yeah so
00:24:35.120 there's a lot of questions around this one i think you know there was a lot of you know uh
00:24:39.600 i think the police came out pretty aggressively just saying hey we don't have we didn't have
00:24:44.120 enough evidence to detain so therefore you know back off we're gonna do our best to get but it's
00:24:49.680 monday now so here's the criticism that's coming now is this happened on friday it's monday you
00:24:55.140 had someone you know you identified someone you came out and said that ended up being the person
00:24:59.980 um that was in the house and now they're still at large so and the police are now out there saying
00:25:06.180 detain a lawyer turn yourself in it's not exactly the strongest position the police left themselves
00:25:12.800 in they might have been better detaining uh against the rules and making sure they had the
00:25:18.740 right person but then again you know but you're i can't put myself in the in the in the process
00:25:25.140 mind of the police right well i think that quite frankly there's a little two things come to mind
00:25:32.000 mike we'd like to understand basically why they're believe that they're unable to detain
00:25:39.240 so what is the rationale so please we'd love to have that conversation and maybe understand that
00:25:45.540 little better and then once we understand that maybe uh solicit or you know we all actually
00:25:52.180 chat with our local politicians say that needs to be changed so those rules so we need to lobby
00:25:57.780 a change if if there's a legislative change that needs to happen to make sure this doesn't happen
00:26:02.580 again but we can't just let them go that's not a that doesn't seem like a rational approach to this
00:26:10.180 so quite frankly again we have to now come back and understand that one context is everything
00:26:15.300 i don't know what it transpired at that hospital with the police i don't know if they actually
00:26:19.460 interviewed him we don't have that info but here he here he is in the wind all weekend long right
00:26:28.100 right and it's a pretty you know this one's a pretty tough one i think out of all the home
00:26:31.940 invasions that we've had this year in toronto this is probably the toughest one starts your
00:26:36.660 point to a good neighborhood quite frankly the fact that they went in went up to their bedrooms
00:26:41.140 hit them over the head with hammers shot them this one's one of those ones that everyone's like oh
00:26:46.180 you know you know how do i protect myself you know what is the process you know and you know 0.98
00:26:52.740 i shout out to the guys actually again you know the the less lethal story we did earlier on yeah
00:26:59.380 you know this is just another case in point why people need to start thinking about what to do
00:27:04.100 and big cities when it comes to these things so oh i have paul yeah less lethal.ca yeah leave it
00:27:11.700 out there no no but it's it's listen it's an interesting point because quite frankly now
00:27:17.940 now you have you have a bunch of things going on you have four people in hospital you have three
00:27:23.300 suspects at large the four people are the people that can identify the three suspects quite frankly
00:27:29.140 they're the and you have to now uh police trying to find them bring them in get them to admit
00:27:36.500 whether they'll admit to not and then there has to be trials that take place this is a long process
00:27:41.860 now this isn't a short process and you know that's a challenge quite frankly for them going forward
00:27:48.260 recovery is a challenge and then quite frankly the mental turmoil from having to go through these
00:27:53.060 trials and these arrests the mental turmoil from knowing that quite frankly these three individuals
00:27:58.340 are still out there yeah that would that would actually be terrifying to me and and i'd be very
00:28:03.420 worried about my family i you know and even if it wasn't rational that they why did they show up why
00:28:09.240 did they pick me why am i why who's who's looking for me to be harmed right so all those things are
00:28:14.860 probably coming in their head and that you know we don't know why i'm sure they don't know why
00:28:19.120 so you know the other thing that comes to mind on this when we get to that trial when we get to the
00:28:24.280 court what are the charges and what do they actually get in the way of jail time for this
00:28:29.960 kind of crime home invasions need to be re-examined by our courts in every province of this country
00:28:35.720 or yeah or well or you know that's interesting because um you know earlier on i think our
00:28:43.200 premier of the premier of ontario actually uh you know um applauded a gentleman who shot back
00:28:50.080 at people entering their home i think it was up in vaughn uh you know i understood it i understand
00:28:55.200 why um i don't think we'll get castle law but if we do ever get castle law now is kind of the moment
00:29:02.560 it might bubble to the top but it's again mike i think we are at that tipping point where we have
00:29:08.640 to figure out what we're doing can if if police don't have the ability to arrest people who are
00:29:14.320 doing home invasions after getting them at the hospital shot directly or detain them forget
00:29:19.920 arrest detain then that's one issue if it's that bad quite frankly then we need to talk about what
00:29:26.640 how people protect themselves in their own homes and then that's another thing so there's you know
00:29:30.800 this is a this is a complicated complicated conversation i think it needs to be uh unwrapped
00:29:38.640 i would agree i think that uh probably we're at a place right now where enough canadians are scared
00:29:44.000 every day uh in a country we never felt that way before i agree okay thanks uh there's your crime
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