True Patriot Love - Mark Carney for Nobel Peace Prize？ Trump Won’t Like It

00:00:00.000 at 5 a.m eastern time on friday october the night the announcement will come down

00:00:10.000 from oslo norway the winner of the nobel peace prize now whether or not he wins is beside the

00:00:15.400 point but the headlines across the world are pointing to one man as a leading candidate

00:00:19.880 and that's our prime minister mark carney to talk more about it thrilled to be joined by

00:00:24.160 paul micucci paul how are you good jim how you doing good this has been fascinating to watch

00:00:28.720 both the the buzz globally with the media around the world about mark carney and his chances to win

00:00:34.720 and the reaction from donald trump and the white house the fact that he he actually said the other

00:00:40.560 day to reporters i don't know why i'm not being considered i've ended eight wars that's what his

00:00:45.280 quote was that's his words no no i know jim but you know mark carney's and his team i think have

00:00:52.160 done an excellent job at positioning themselves in this in this position and quite frankly watching

00:00:57.920 this uh unroll so for those of you nobel prize let's talk about that for a minute because i

00:01:02.480 wanted to jump in because as i was getting ready this morning i was actually listening to the nobel

00:01:08.240 prize winners for uh chemistry i think today is physics medicine's coming up yes uh literature

00:01:16.640 and then the component of that we're talking about for prime minister carney is actually peace

00:01:24.240 Which the last Canadian to do that was Lester B. Pearson in 1957

00:01:28.500 for his role in brokering peace in the Suez crisis

00:01:32.100 before he was even prime minister.

00:01:34.100 Right.

00:01:34.460 When he was a politician in Parliament Hill,

00:01:37.100 and he's the last Canadian to win the coveted award.

00:01:40.240 Yeah.

00:01:40.660 No, he is, Jim.

00:01:41.440 And, you know, odds-on favorites.

00:01:43.580 So now went to the UN, the famous speech at the UN on January 20th

00:01:50.340 uh that came off uh the world paid attention to our prime minister and you know he hit a bunch

00:01:56.580 of points and before mike was uh talking to us about what are the points that potentially uh

00:02:02.820 resonated that will win him the nobel prize so uh you know his position on global policy uh values

00:02:10.020 based realism and middle power strategy i love even the pr around middle power strategy is

00:02:16.420 brilliant if you think about it you know just i'm we're taking on the superpowers with middle powers

00:02:22.340 to you know uh band together to survive paul it's the pr it is but the pr around it jim

00:02:30.900 you know if you think about it like think about the timing of way this unrolls

00:02:35.220 okay okay right now in the world the gap between the wealthy and the average person is wider now

00:02:41.220 than i can ever remember right so the gap between the superpowers and the middle powers they feel

00:02:46.980 like they're being left out and he's become their champion i will lead let's work together to each

00:02:53.460 other's benefit and we can stand up and survive and thrive in the future enjoying the conversation

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00:03:10.180 and sign up today sure well there's an a there's a bunch of interesting alliances going on around

00:03:17.540 the world and we talk talked about it since last christmas and we did it with western hemisphere

00:03:23.140 supremacy which the u.s came out and they issued a national defense paper and we refer to that

00:03:28.260 quite a bit but whether you're china who's looking you know for their at their hemisphere uh whether

00:03:34.420 you're the americans that are looking at the western hemisphere everyone's you know brokering

00:03:39.380 for positions russia everyone's trying to figure out where they are for shipping lanes to trading

00:03:45.140 so that that is the superpowers the superpowers are kind of talking to each other you know when

00:03:50.740 we see um the president of china come in and meet with the u.s president and they are trying to

00:03:56.420 figure out quite frankly how they're going to manage together how they're going to work together

00:04:01.620 they're they're brokering up uh world events so absolutely the middle powers are there say hey

00:04:06.500 time out you know we're here we like it the way it is we like uh globalism quite frankly because

00:04:12.900 globalism allowed all of us to play together in that sandbox and profit profit and profit now

00:04:18.900 that's you know the u.s has turned tail and they've said you know we don't believe that globalism

00:04:24.980 works that that's been said multiple times um by president trump so now that's changed uh the way

00:04:32.420 we look at things the way they look at things around the world which is then you know uh

00:04:37.220 instigated tariffs instigated trading challenges the the war you know in iran all those things

00:04:44.820 have kind of catapulted off those decision matrix that the u.s has made so here we are uh january

00:04:51.460 20th prime minister carney goes to the un he makes the speech and that speech is heard throughout the

00:04:58.260 world um and it talks you know i don't know if it talks about peace it talks about middle powers and

00:05:05.220 the reliance on each other for um working together you know that was a a sly reference to peace

00:05:13.220 without saying it paul it is you you know you're stronger together it's strength in unity you know

00:05:20.020 defense economics trade this and that uh health care whatever you talk about we'll all help each

00:05:27.540 other we're all in this together and that's as you alluded to his team around him sort of a

00:05:33.800 brilliant way to coach it in the speech writing to say it without saying it oh yeah speech writing

00:05:38.700 is magnificent i've been saying that recently like the pr around our prime minister is first

00:05:45.020 class now the way we do it and quite frankly um there when he travels around and he sits down he

00:05:51.900 gets on the teleprompter and off he goes you know the person writing the speeches and the people

00:05:57.420 who are uh giving him advice and financial advice economic advice are top-notch you can see it and

00:06:03.660 you can see the the you know from um trudeau and the trudeau era the game's elevated so the game's

00:06:10.060 elevated because quite frankly he's a business person he's you know he's moving he understands

00:06:15.980 you know how it should look and feel he's also lived internationally he's lived in europe so he's

00:06:22.140 uh uh you know more developed you know what else he's done world affairs since think about a year

00:06:27.680 ago if he didn't like a question from a reporter you would see all these sound bites of him sort

00:06:32.640 of biting their head off and being snarky with them you don't see that anymore no he's he's a

00:06:38.540 lot smoother he's a he can answer the question the way he wants without showing his temper apparently

00:06:44.180 behind the scenes he's got a well-known temper when he's displeased or annoyed by someone but

00:06:50.360 he's showing that less and less with the media and the international press and that's to his

00:06:54.940 benefit paul yeah oh yeah for sure jim because he's learning how to play the game at a rapid pace

00:07:00.600 oh yeah well you know he is and i wanted to really kind of figure out you know if he's going to win

00:07:07.420 the nobel prize and so let's talk about prediction markets for a minute so i wanted to jump into here

00:07:12.200 because i find it interesting as you go through and you take a look at um i think it was kelsey

00:07:17.760 yeah they had 14 i think they think he's got a chance right they had him at 14 yeah so you know

00:07:24.300 that he would win now prediction markets so polymarket calci you know these are very bizarre

00:07:30.720 i find i found them very interesting but bizarre concepts right because they really are gambling

00:07:36.020 in a sense people are betting whether or not the astronauts will return home safely from the space

00:07:40.380 station oh yeah it's that kind of thing you know i took a look some of the some of the wildest uh

00:07:46.780 bets polymarket uh listings that have occurred the craziest ones that i could find uh

00:07:53.100 will the u.s confirm that aliens exist before 2027 it's trading so you can bet on it yeah

00:08:02.180 will the u.s invade iran before 2027 it's trading you mean with like ground troops yeah yeah yeah

00:08:09.140 yeah okay um will the straighter her moves return to normal by december 31st

00:08:16.060 anthropic bankruptcy by 2029 really that's an interesting one yeah it's largest ipo of 2026

00:08:26.460 anthropic for spacex bitcoin price targets yeah i mean that would be one i could see a lot of

00:08:34.840 people betting on uh well this one is all over the place you can see it every day uh 2020 democratic

00:08:41.740 and republican nominees uh they also have a lot of volume on the brazilian uh presidential election

00:08:49.220 they've had yeah so i'm sure they have one in the quebec provincial election taking place today

00:08:53.860 while we speak well it's interesting christoph's doing he's we're doing a local story on it coming

00:08:58.480 up today when i was coming in he was actually running down the hall showing me all the uh

00:09:04.260 polymarket uh bets on the election today in quebec yeah oh it'd be off the charts it was off

00:09:09.780 the charts you should have seen them all i didn't even have time i said you know we'll do get me for

00:09:13.620 the next show because i got to get my head into this show but you know the volume that's on these

00:09:17.620 things so here's the thing that i was shocked so i got into it because i'm not i'm not a big uh

00:09:21.700 polymarket prediction market guy so quite frankly um as i was going in so like it's not a little bit

00:09:29.140 so uh federal october decisions there's 25 million of volume open ai ipo there's 2 million of volume

00:09:37.460 anthropic ipo there's 4 million of volume so these are loading up they they constantly load up with

00:09:42.740 volume going one way or the other and so they were the trading volumes actually get off the hook

00:09:48.420 like i didn't realize how big some of the trading volumes are on some of these and i was like wow

00:09:52.820 this is crazy stuff paul when you think about it this has replaced sports gambling for people into

00:09:58.500 world events and politics yeah so they they they like the thrill of the over under yes no will it

00:10:04.660 happen won't happen but some people i don't know why don't have interest in monday night football

00:10:10.340 or the baseball playoffs so that's their thing now they have an outlet that i don't need to go on the

00:10:16.180 sports betting apps i can go on the prediction apps and talk politics world events whether you

00:10:21.700 name it well you know i've shared this with you jim i'm not i i played football so quite frankly

00:10:27.780 i enjoyed it but do i do i watch a lot of professional sports anymore no i've kind of

00:10:33.860 i know you do but as i got older i kind of leaned off and quite frankly for a number of reasons for

00:10:38.820 all for another show but but you know it's interesting so probably if someone like me

00:10:43.620 would be someone who would look at doing right tell you the truth but you know i haven't i

00:10:47.620 haven't really got into it but you know let's be serious to me it seems morbid you know it is you

00:10:53.540 know figuring out when missile strikes are going to happen and you know figuring out whether one

00:10:58.820 of the esports contestants says doink and when he's going to say doink and what context he says it in

00:11:06.100 that's a bet actually that was a very apparently that i just started reading it

00:11:09.940 buddhacrest grand final esports tournament uh 7.5.7 million dollar market was created

00:11:17.140 about around whether the word doink would be spoken on the official broadcast wow yeah see

00:11:24.660 now i would if if i did have a paulie market account i would be betting that pope leo wins

00:11:29.780 the noble peace price notice chicago white socks fan thank you very much but uh he i i kind of

00:11:35.380 think that what the year the popes had he would even be a favorite over mark carney because i

00:11:40.820 don't at the end of the day it doesn't matter if mark carney wins a noble peace prize the fact that

00:11:46.020 he's considered the fact that he's on all these prediction markets the fact that he's been written

00:11:50.900 about by every major news organization publication in the world he wins because yeah it elevates his

00:11:59.860 status especially going into december when they announced times man of the year so if he doesn't

00:12:06.500 win the nobel peace prize i don't think he's going to win but he's getting so much free publicity out

00:12:13.380 of it so much national global attention out of it it really shuts down a lot of his critics i know

00:12:19.460 there's a lot of critics out there but we haven't had a canadian win the noble peace prize since

00:12:24.980 1957 the fact that he's considered is a pretty big accomplishment oh it is it is and well and

00:12:32.340 the only reason i went to the prediction markets is because that's where i heard about it for the

00:12:36.180 show yeah you know but that's a big part of what this kind of thing now paul oh it is that's what

00:12:40.580 what everyone turns to well and there's a lot of controversy sometimes over how people move the

00:12:47.320 the betting lines in the prediction market you know two of the come to mind right away that

00:12:52.040 before the show i mentioned to the guys i said well i remember the controversy over the maduro

00:12:56.600 raid right they were they were right because they were people were betting on it well

00:13:02.000 interesting there was a group a u.s soldier netted 400 000 betting on the exact time of the ouster

00:13:09.780 maduro so how did they think they would get away with that well but the the interesting thing or

00:13:14.820 the the very uh serious issue is that they delayed the attack remember because of the winds and

00:13:21.700 everything that they had to because the helicopter they were going to go at christmas yeah it was

00:13:25.300 going to happen at christmas day and then there's always every time there's a ceasefire there's

00:13:30.660 always like controversy over whether or not it's because of the paulie markets whether or not

00:13:35.700 they're called you know how they're called so there's there's lots always going on in this

00:13:39.860 market which is which is a challenge and you know it's i listen i think for some reasons if i looked

00:13:45.780 at the pros of the poly market or the prediction markets right now um there's more information i

00:13:51.780 think there's a lot of crowd wisdom i think some of those things the discussion it's topical the

00:13:57.300 the regulatory uncertainty uh the the financial risk that's involved with it those are the things

00:14:03.700 that kind of put me offside with looking at the prediction market right now which i wouldn't

00:14:08.180 participate in i'm i'm one jim can i throw somebody please because of some of my other

00:14:12.900 businesses and quite frankly and been involved in the gaming space most of my life i i really

00:14:19.060 pay attention to whether or not there's listed odds anywhere so and you know for me it has to be

00:14:25.700 listed audited there has to be a regulator in place there has to be a process because you know

00:14:32.340 you look at a lot of things that go on online in gray markets and other places with gaming

00:14:38.500 um you know you don't know you don't know what you're betting on paul there's a big problem

00:14:43.780 right now in pro sports they're urging the big sports apps to get rid of prop bets because

00:14:49.780 they're finding athletes are getting caught they're telling someone the over under is i'll

00:14:54.900 play 12 minutes i'll have 10 points all this kind of thing yeah and the player knows 11 minutes my

00:15:01.060 back's tight i'm out and they bet the under yeah and so if you take that away you take the risk

00:15:06.260 away and then everyone's screaming they're saying well you know how did this happen what you know

00:15:11.140 was it fixed and you can relate it to these international events like ceasefires price of oil

00:15:17.300 but all kind of things it's the same thing yeah oh i know it's the exact same thing right now paul

00:15:22.340 so you know jim back to back to the normal price for me because i think this is an interesting one

00:15:28.020 i didn't realize that how many people were nominated or candidates uh for the nobel prize

00:15:35.620 so there's a huge amount there's like 300 people get nominated into you know for the different

00:15:40.820 categories um and you know uh i find it uh just wild that it goes on so long and it takes so much

00:15:51.620 scrutiny um you know talk a little bit about you know people that have actually won the nobel prize

00:15:58.740 award that we can think of and i was trying to go first jimmy carter jumped to my nelson mandela

00:16:04.580 nelson mandela like obvious people obama there was menachem bagan and then we're sadat for the

00:16:10.100 peace deal between egypt and israel right but because right now this year there's 287 candidates

00:16:16.820 and five voters right and um you know much is made about the nobel peace prize because it to this day

00:16:24.180 i think it carries a lot of weight that if you are an individual who've done so much to be worthy of

00:16:30.660 nominated but then awarded the nobel peace prize that's something that stays with you the rest of

00:16:35.380 your life paul oh yeah it's such an honor like yeah of course to me it's the biggest it's and

00:16:40.340 it goes to like the arts and sciences and medicine and all that it's a big deal we're trying to get

00:16:47.220 on there's a canadian it's it's very interesting there's a canadian economist that we're trying to

00:16:52.260 reach out to get on the show um and he won the nobel prize a few years ago uh in economics it's

00:16:59.140 a joint uh paper that he released and it's very interesting on ai automation and trends wow so

00:17:08.340 and you know right away when we started doing the show i said you know my goal is uh as we progress

00:17:13.300 on tpl at tpl media is that we start to get some of the great canadian uh economists physicists uh

00:17:20.180 chemists on to talk to us about what they do because i just don't we know they win them but

00:17:24.900 we don't we don't highlight them enough and i think that's we talked about this even with

00:17:28.820 athletes the other day was we were talking about with rob about getting some more guests on well

00:17:33.460 you can check out my interview with jennifer balderall member of the hockey hall of fame

00:17:36.740 great three-time olympic gold medalist and she had some great insight about her new book

00:17:41.380 and her career is just this girl from winnipeg who reached the highest levels of women's hockey

00:17:46.900 in the planet yeah well i'm very very nice lady very nice great interview by the way so

00:17:52.740 so here we are we're on the cusp you know we're about to see this uh october 9th um

00:17:59.460 he wins so let's go one way so okay so you're saying carney wins carney wins

00:18:03.940 trump would lose his mind well that's you know that's the first thing my first fear is that we

00:18:10.680 have higher gas prices and more tariffs because he had a like a temper tantrum like a two-year-old

00:18:16.800 well let's talk about that because you know he was a he tried to i don't know if he was

00:18:21.960 i don't know if he was even nominated but he actually spent a lot of time last year

00:18:28.040 trying to be nominated remember he was he claimed he should win he claimed he should win you know

00:18:33.660 when he went to venezuela they you know they wanted to give him the nobel prize there's a

00:18:38.300 bunch of people who've tried to give him kind of pseudo nobel prize like fifa fifa yeah so there's

00:18:43.620 been that's gone on all year long um this year in the running you don't even hear his name so he's

00:18:49.900 in the prediction markets don't have him anywhere i mean i think the war in iran excludes him from

00:18:54.980 any consideration well exactly so so you're not hearing much so yeah i look pros and cons of

00:19:01.760 winning the nobel prize for our prime minister hey lots of recognition uh it goes down on his

00:19:08.380 you know his his life achievements um it's terrific that way well paul does it get us as

00:19:15.840 canadians is it beneficial to us to your show you did the other day about the possibility of a snap

00:19:21.900 election if you have the nobel peace prize it makes it easier to call a snap election right

00:19:29.380 it does it does but i mean if you didn't already have enough i think grip on power in canada yeah

00:19:35.820 but we don't need to instigate a no no i think we're not advocating for it in any way no because

00:19:40.720 i think by winning it quite frankly it opens up another can of worms that that may cause more

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00:20:02.620 conversation all good things so we've done this and i think in everyone's career there's times

00:20:09.900 when you've done something and then you said oh oh maybe i went too far no human being in the world

00:20:15.420 hasn't said that like oh yeah oh yeah maybe i wouldn't have done that the second i told you a

00:20:20.300 story just before the show about how i got fired once yeah and it was very similar i did it and

00:20:25.020 And then, quite frankly, the guy I was working for fired me because he didn't like what I did.

00:20:29.560 Now, he did rehire me back, which is really terrific.

00:20:32.620 But at the time, I thought what I was doing was right.

00:20:36.960 Now, when they got to the UN on January 20th, 11 days before the closing of the Nobel Prize nominations,

00:20:44.720 they were probably in full gear.

00:20:46.020 His machine was in full gear, right?

00:20:47.760 He had just, like you mentioned, he had started getting better from a PR perspective.

00:20:51.940 The PR machine was in place.

00:20:53.320 they knocked down that speech the speech had a lot of uh positive and negative implications

00:20:58.680 you know the u.s didn't love this speech you know remember lutnik sitting in davos and

00:21:03.720 going off saying that was a ridiculous speech he did interviews and then so there was pros and cons

00:21:09.980 yeah but real quick so you have wackadoodle lutnik shooting it down yeah but all these respected

00:21:16.080 world leaders politicians economists around the world everywhere else praising it so it hit home

00:21:22.680 he needed to hit home yeah oh it did oh sure it did and and quite frankly it uh instigated or

00:21:29.640 caused uh more fulsome conversations on the world of world trade events uh world markets to actually

00:21:36.760 start about trade with other nations 10 months later middle power is the buzzword in international

00:21:42.520 politics it is paul i know and we are really good our pr machine internationally globally is

00:21:49.720 fantastic creating those buzzwords and getting them into play yeah and we've done that now

00:21:54.200 trump on the other hand is sitting there and that is really the con so the whole trump

00:21:58.440 administration is not going to be particularly enamored with the fact that if he wins the nobel

00:22:03.640 prize award i see if for canada and carney you can't win either way you lose he's going to

00:22:11.560 criticize carney and insult him and call him names because that's what trump does yep he wins he's

00:22:17.800 going to insult canada and carney like so either way carney and his staff they know they're going

00:22:23.720 to take it on the chin from trump verbally and with his crazy tweets and truth social and all

00:22:29.800 that who knows what he's going to be posting but i think part of the thing is with a bully if you

00:22:34.840 ignore them you take away their power and carney's done a good job of ignoring the vitriol the hate

00:22:40.920 the hate speak and just plowing ahead with the blinders on and doing their thing yeah oh yeah

00:22:46.920 I mean, right now, Trump is, they're a month away from losing everything, the Senate and the House, because of the midterms.

00:22:54.800 I mean, as much as this might annoy him on October 9th, if this happens, he's got bigger problems in the world right now.

00:23:02.380 Oh, I agree. I agree.

00:23:03.660 Jim, I got to ask you something.

00:23:04.780 Please.

00:23:05.100 And I'm going to let you do this because I think you'll do a better job of it than I will.

00:23:09.980 Explain to me, and this is actually right here.

00:23:12.100 I'm going to give it to you for a minute.

00:23:13.240 How the prize is decided.

00:23:15.460 so and i just actually if you go i'm going to give that to you and you you read that from it because

00:23:21.900 i think it's really important because for the the viewers or the watching today they might not know

00:23:29.080 the level of detail that goes into this and it's very interesting to me when i read it i was like

00:23:34.560 oh wow this is this is pretty cool right this is interesting how this thing gets decided well it

00:23:40.120 was first awarded by alfred nobel in 1895 a quote to the person who has done the most or best to

00:23:46.740 advance fellowship among nations the key word there fellowship among nations right mark carney's

00:23:52.480 done a lot of that the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the establishment of promoting

00:23:58.100 of peace and congresses now at that time um you had huge armies were at that time especially in

00:24:04.720 1895 they would just march across fields yeah with muskets and rifles and bayonets and just

00:24:09.600 kill each other right cannons right because they were so inaccurate was shooting out of the muskets

00:24:14.160 quite frankly some of the time they missed some time yeah it was luck of the draw um so i think

00:24:19.780 what happens is they they look at the all things and right now this is less about standing armies

00:24:27.500 because it's not 1895 anymore but done the most or best to advance fellowship among nations that's

00:24:34.420 one of the reasons i believe barack obama won when he did yes and that's one of the reasons that mark

00:24:39.940 carney is considered a front runner to win it this year now whether or not he wins i i still think

00:24:44.980 pope leo will eventually be the winner but that's why because of what he's done in the past nine

00:24:50.700 months because of the speeches and the actions and the relationships and eu reaching out to him

00:24:57.000 let's form a partnership the people of the nobel peace prize organization in oslo on the the five

00:25:03.180 people who vote are seeing this they're seeing everything and it's not a one-off thing it's

00:25:07.500 happening throughout the whole year well the five people that vote in oslo so let's break that down

00:25:12.600 a little are they so um there's a chair and there's qualified nominators right and so that's

00:25:21.300 the people that actually pick um they come together they actually figure out and they have

00:25:27.100 uh members from parliaments government heads university professors uh and they go through

00:25:34.960 all the six categories that we talked about that's how they do it well because i mean if i'm a

00:25:40.600 politician i probably only know so much about physics or science or medicine for the nobel

00:25:46.780 prize for that category when you think about it right or if you're you know whatever your your

00:25:51.360 specialty so they're trying to get someone with a specialty in all things and they they would

00:25:56.160 like a lot of things hey i think paul micucci we should take a look at them and they propose

00:26:01.580 people and vote on them and try to whittle it down now the interesting thing about this speech

00:26:06.400 because if you look at the people that are involved in this and that's um it's selected

00:26:11.240 by the norway's parliament yeah so okay you're sitting in norway's shoes and i was trying to

00:26:19.560 figure this out how are they thinking of it now because you know life is political so and you know

00:26:25.320 There's politics involved in everything.

00:26:27.400 Absolutely.

00:26:28.240 Norway, number one, Norway's doing a lot of business with Canada right now.

00:26:34.160 And about to do more.

00:26:35.540 About to do more.

00:26:36.180 Especially with the Germany-Norway submarine deal.

00:26:38.960 Right.

00:26:39.300 And the eastern coast of Canada, the Atlantic coast, the offshore drilling.

00:26:43.900 Yeah.

00:26:44.600 I mentioned when you're in St. John's and Newfoundland.

00:26:48.340 You know, there's Equinor and the team is down there right now doing a lot.

00:26:52.000 quite frankly we're it looks like as of this weekend we're about to to do an east-west pipeline

00:26:58.440 so whether or not they come and play in that because they the norway uh norway does have a

00:27:04.020 group that and from equinor the company that actually does do pipelines also so that's another

00:27:10.120 division of their group so there's a lot of reasons why quite frankly um and i'm not saying

00:27:15.240 that the business reasons are the reasons that that he would be selected but i think there's an

00:27:20.400 open there's an openness uh to actually do something from a canadian perspective because

00:27:27.840 because he's advancing the fellowship among nations right and i think honestly if if it was

00:27:34.060 one of the superpowers that was actually the determinant of who won the nobel prize i'd say

00:27:39.400 no way i'd say that would never happen it would it would be president g trump or putin every year

00:27:44.700 But, you know, who is an associate member of the EU?

00:27:50.020 Norway.

00:27:50.840 Yeah, of course.

00:27:51.720 Norway.

00:27:52.320 We're talking about being a pseudo-associated member of the EU.

00:27:56.780 So I think this is actually, I know since we started prepping for this show,

00:28:02.320 the prediction markets have shown that Prime Minister Carney's odds

00:28:08.120 of being a Nobel Prize winner have gone down.

00:28:11.020 I think it's the other way, Jim.

00:28:12.800 I'm going to go the other way.

00:28:13.740 You mean internally?

00:28:14.040 no i think it's gone up okay i think it's going up so i quite frankly i think it's kind of zoomed

00:28:19.580 and gone up the other way he beeps hope leo yes yeah okay so you know i do think he's got a really

00:28:26.460 good chance quite frankly of winning this because of some of the things going on in the world and

00:28:30.840 the way the as he likes to allude to it all the time the middle powers are congealing together

00:28:35.900 and i think that sends a message uh back to the u.s now whether it's going to be a good message

00:28:42.800 or not i'm not saying like i'm not commenting i'm concerned about that i think there is

00:28:48.400 ramifications to whether that happens i think you know trump will be on true social for about

00:28:54.160 you know 72 hours just going crazy so mr president you have to get off the toilet

00:29:00.160 stop sending tweets no no i think that's going to be really bad so yeah but unfortunately hopefully

00:29:05.120 after 72 hours calmer heads per fail we go back to it and maybe it sends a message maybe this is

00:29:11.280 what we need to send a message back to get everyone back to the table and calmer heads because

00:29:17.360 if all of a sudden you know the nobel prize goes to him the times man of the year goes to him

00:29:22.640 maybe it sends a message to the american team to hey you know the rest of the world's really and

00:29:27.760 i know they do they say they don't care but they must care a little bit they must you know they

00:29:33.120 obviously are meeting with people from around i'm going to throw this out at you paul that

00:29:37.360 whether or not he wins a noble peace prize it would be great as a canadian if he did

00:29:41.440 i think the biggest coup would be to be times person of the year and that is going to be

00:29:47.440 announced december 10th and published on december 11th so uh or just so december 10th of this year

00:29:54.320 they'll announce times person of the year and i think as a canadian i think right now with our

00:29:59.200 relationship with the trade trading partners of the united states for him to be named times person

00:30:04.880 of the year over trump would be a bigger blow to donald trump he would feel here's time magazine

00:30:10.640 one of the most quintessential american publications of the last century

00:30:14.880 picking the canadian prime minister over him as the person of the year to me that's a bigger blow

00:30:20.000 to trump right now and this is different it's based on a whole different set of criteria right

00:30:25.440 jim and um the times editors choose the person group or idea that for better or for worse did

00:30:33.120 the most uh to influence the year's events well i'm gonna if i'm voting with time i'm thinking

00:30:40.000 about uh all the different speeches all the different um things he's done the negotiations

00:30:48.720 i think they can't look past this war in iran the voters of time magazine that it's gone on

00:30:56.640 so long that americans are they'll be going into christmas not being able to afford to put diesel

00:31:03.300 or gas in their vehicles or to feed their family or to buy presents i think that hurts trump i think

00:31:09.280 in a normal year if there was if there wasn't a war then maybe it's a flip of the coin but right

00:31:14.660 now because i think that really really hurts donald trump right and and you know when you look

00:31:19.160 at sorry for a minute the prediction market yeah mom donnie is in in that running right very much

00:31:24.020 so i saw him up on the board uh but there are people who are saying that carney is odds-on

00:31:29.860 favorites yeah so you know galloway the other people are you when you go um you know and who's

00:31:36.100 won the recent choices uh you know remember there was the picture um for the people probably

00:31:42.340 remembering now there was the picture of all the ai wizards out there on the steel beam

00:31:47.380 yes hanging there eating lunch uh like the old photo of them building the empire state building

00:31:52.340 yeah exactly uh trump actually taylor swift zelinski um so there's been you know you've seen

00:32:01.380 people now to see um prime minister carney win it i think yeah it makes makes sense you haven't seen

00:32:08.740 i'm trying to think of a canadian who is last on i'd have to look it up off the top of my head

00:32:13.060 paul honestly i'm sorry i i don't know no but because of what he's done no no canadian prime

00:32:19.860 minister has been named that that's in my notes here okay right yeah so that makes sense to me

00:32:24.420 but because of what he's done internationally and globally whereas trump has brought the

00:32:29.140 walls of the nation in around him in a real protectionist silo where it's tariffs it's not

00:32:35.300 doing this it's it's america america america he's reached out across the world to bring canada in

00:32:41.460 and to bring everyone into canada and and that goes to their uh for better or worse to the most

00:32:47.460 influence the year's events and i think that's why carney would have an advantage over trump now

00:32:52.740 whether or not he beats mandani i don't know they may decide that the mayor of new york city would

00:32:57.540 be carney but again he's going to be have serious consideration ah i agree jim and i wait so okay so

00:33:04.260 october 9th and what december 10th december yeah december 10th so october 9th this friday october

00:33:09.860 9th is the nobel peace prize and the december 10th is times person of the year okay so we're

00:33:14.900 We're doing another show, depending, either way.

00:33:17.100 Yeah.

00:33:17.540 The latest we're going out is before Christmas to find out if he,

00:33:20.740 so a couple of things.

00:33:21.660 If he gets it on the 9th, we're doing a show right away.

00:33:24.000 If he gets it on the December 10th, we'll do a show right away.

00:33:26.800 If, quite frankly, he doesn't get it all, then we'll protest.

00:33:30.420 But the point is, but Paul, I think as a Canadian,

00:33:33.200 and I think if you're part of, as we've been find out

00:33:35.720 for some excellent reporting from the Globe and the Star,

00:33:38.820 Mark Carney's really tight inner circle.

00:33:41.600 He can't lose if he doesn't win.

00:33:43.460 because no because of the global attention and the press and the fact he's on the prediction

00:33:50.400 markets and his names out there constantly being considered and all these world-leading podcasts

00:33:56.820 and journalists are talking about it he can't lose if he doesn't win listen he's created a pr

00:34:01.500 machine it's amazing what he's that from that perspective it's amazing what they've done so

00:34:05.600 it's it's almost hey he doesn't win the noble peace prize he's going to go out of his way to

00:34:10.620 praise the winner which makes them look even better right yeah so i it'll be fascinating to

00:34:15.980 watch but as you say in our in our time as canadians in this in the last 50 years we've

00:34:21.820 never seen anything like this with one of our leaders look for the picture with him with the

00:34:25.980 winner if he doesn't win oh yeah good pr move yeah yeah do like the thumbs up so you make sure you're

00:34:33.260 in the local vicinity and you just drop in, right?

00:34:37.440 Thanks, Paul.

00:34:38.120 Thanks, Jim.

True Patriot Love - October 06, 2026

Mark Carney for Nobel Peace Prize？ Trump Won’t Like It

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