True Patriot Love - November 03, 2026


New Garbage Tariff Exposes Ontario’s Waste Crisis

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00:00:00.000 3.44 million tons of waste is what Ontario sends to the US 20% of our landfill waste is shipped
00:00:14.220 south and we're about to hit a 50% tariff that's enough numbers for me I'm not the numbers guy
00:00:21.180 Paul Micucci is today's show I promise you is garbage from beginning to end well look at this
00:00:27.420 we've got a landfill situation that it seems nobody had an eye on no a lot and how did we
00:00:33.640 miss that quite frankly as we start this tariff war Mike no one says well maybe we should look
00:00:41.000 at the items we're dealing with the U.S. with or for and make sure we have a contingency plan
00:00:47.380 oops we forgot garbage yeah so you know and it the number is a little bigger to tell you the
00:00:53.700 truth so the numbers a little bigger all told all the states in the u.s were roughly from what we
00:00:59.120 can tell looking at different reports around 27 27 of our garbage gets exported to the u.s
00:01:05.820 um between new york and michigan so all of a sudden mike rogers so i don't know if you're
00:01:12.300 following the midterms in the u.s it's heated up there right now october 23rd mike rogers gets on
00:01:17.960 and i'm going to throw it up right now because you got to watch this video this is this tells
00:01:21.520 it all. Let's have a look. Big news, Michigan. Canada has been sending trash trucks across those
00:01:27.860 bridges into our neighborhoods and into our landfills for decades. It has been a huge problem.
00:01:34.060 They fill up our streets. They clog up our streets. This has been a major issue for Michigan
00:01:39.820 residents. Guess what? I called the secretary's office a few days ago and said, listen, we need
00:01:44.960 some relief on Canadian tariffs, but if you're going to tariff anything, tariff those trash 0.93
00:01:48.920 trash trucks. Well, guess what? They announced today, the Trump administration, President Trump
00:01:53.600 agreed, they're tariffing those trash trucks. Huge progress for us trying to keep those trucks out
00:01:59.680 of Michigan. Guess what? Man, this is huge. Second largest landmass country in the world
00:02:05.320 ought to be able to handle its own trash. As I've said, if it's good for Michigan, I'm for it. It's
00:02:10.500 bad for Michigan. I'm against it. Come on, Michigan. We have a state to save. So he gets
00:02:15.560 on and you just saw the video wow yeah so hey canada you're a big land mass you can deal with 0.67
00:02:22.120 your own landfills the sex the second largest land mass in the world should be able to deal
00:02:27.000 with its own landfill situation but here's the thing mike that drives me absolutely crazy the
00:02:31.880 mainstream news so as we're going through this you know we get this news that quite frankly
00:02:37.160 tariffs they've just taken during the election tear us off it looks like trump is is softening
00:02:43.640 softening on tariffs on canada i heard that right 22 product line items were removed
00:02:49.960 plywood some paper products uh farm machinery refrigeration equipment but 100 were added
00:02:57.720 i didn't know that until i started prepping for the show he took 20 off and added 100 and and waste
00:03:03.720 got included in that now because mike rogers sent a note or called up the secretary and said hey
00:03:10.360 so what about these trucks don't forget to tax them so we're watching mainstream news the tv
00:03:15.240 we're watching we're watching our local news all of us and they're saying you know the the americans
00:03:20.840 are starting during the midterms to feel then we're thinking okay great you know they're going
00:03:24.520 to take some tariffs off they add 100 and on top of that at 1201 on october 30th the canadian
00:03:32.760 municipal waste sewage sludge and clinical waste entering the u.s carry a 50 duty
00:03:41.320 he went ahead of the january 1st deadline for steel and auto parts yeah so he accelerated it
00:03:48.520 so he took 22 off and he added another uh 100 and he actually fell right to the front of the line
00:03:54.920 and put landfill to the front of the line which hurts us the most yeah i don't but we're getting
00:04:00.360 along great and we're having these great discussions well then i don't know this doesn't
00:04:05.240 you know if if if i take uh you know something from you in the middle of a negotiation it doesn't
00:04:10.280 look like we're doing very well right well you know to your point before we started the show we
00:04:14.760 had a little chuckle because we're like we don't anticipate any of these tariffs when we when we
00:04:20.440 piss off the us like we don't no we don't like provinces don't go around the table and say hey
00:04:25.480 is there anything we're at risk yet that we ought to think about so minister on this one is the
00:04:30.120 provincial minister so this is todd mccarthy so he's the guy that basically you know now is is
00:04:36.040 come back and said hey we got to do landfills so we have to actually put land fills and incinerators
00:04:43.560 we need more landfills and more incinerators in ontario a very quick favor before we continue
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00:05:17.720 you now back to the show and okay so now a plan comes into place that basically is not knee-jerk
00:05:26.040 but it kind of is i mean at some point and and actually to mike rogers point we are the second
00:05:32.360 largest land mass in the world right well but there's a way to do this we should be doing it
00:05:39.480 and maybe doing it for the u.s instead of the other way around but remember so okay back saying
00:05:46.360 going to back up a little for a little older canadians so they are younger canadians so they
00:05:51.640 can under you know get the history on this one so in the 80s and 90s coming into the 2000s there was
00:05:59.320 a lot of controversy about where landfills went you remember this like you did not there'd be uh
00:06:04.920 protests there's signs on people's signs on people's yards people were voted out over landfills
00:06:11.080 so over time you know the the surcharge for the americans over in places like detroit now
00:06:19.160 so when i say that most of our most of our waste goes to the us so when it goes to michigan it
00:06:24.760 usually goes to wayne county okay so wayne county is where detroit is so just outside of detroit
00:06:33.000 on the other side yeah just outside of detroit it goes to landfills there's a couple really big
00:06:37.960 landfills that are there that i know of i think they're the major ones the ann arbor hills one
00:06:42.440 and there's one other one oh ann arbor is one of the major sites yes okay so these huge landfills
00:06:48.120 you know they take most of course michigan being a big state it has a lot of garbage quite frankly
00:06:53.640 it goes but we not only ship so this is interesting the 50 uh surcharge is on municipal waste which
00:07:02.040 that's our municipal waste being you know our garbage that comes from our homes our recycling
00:07:07.640 all those things uh our business waste all those things but then they also include sewage sludge
00:07:15.400 okay so and sewage sludge and clinical waste so sewage sludge um and you know i'll throw up a
00:07:21.800 diagram up on on top and i don't want to get into the you know tech uh the technical background of
00:07:27.720 wastewater but quite frankly um it is the byproduct of what comes out of our wastewater so as as our
00:07:35.320 you know as you know for our bathroom waste and our uh water waste and our shower waste all those
00:07:41.960 things go in human hazardous waste yeah human hazardous it goes in it gets uh it gets treated
00:07:48.120 at our treatment plants it goes through the treatment plants the sludge that comes out of it
00:07:52.680 actually goes and gets some of it gets actually uh solidified so it goes into bio waste quite frankly
00:07:59.480 and then but some of it is actually sludge and so that sludge gets shipped places it should
00:08:05.060 and incinerated and so that's why quite frankly it's interesting because the minister is talking
00:08:11.740 about building more incinerators um and that's a tough one now that's a tougher one because you
00:08:18.860 know the u.s has about 140 incinerators we only have a few incinerators right but that's a tougher
00:08:24.260 one because that has a lot of pollution smoke doesn't really still have that that incinerator
00:08:30.100 process you know you and i just drove across the country i i can think of about 700 miles
00:08:38.020 of space where this wouldn't impact anybody and actually would still be within re's reach of you
00:08:44.820 know municipalities well that's that's mike roger's point right we're a big landmass we should be able
00:08:50.100 defined but the issue is shipping so it's shipping it's not only uh where we take our waste it's it's
00:08:57.460 the shipping distance so right especially with the the cost of diesel right now it's more expensive
00:09:02.580 to move our waste even to the us which is uh i think it's 36 cents a ton so it's a fairly
00:09:09.220 small charge compared to canada for those of you you know who are metric babies you know 2 000 pounds
00:09:14.500 to a ton so a ton isn't that much quite frankly so you can see when you say 3.5 million tons of waste
00:09:22.660 um you know they're shipping each of the trucks are taking you know a few tons down to the u.s
00:09:29.620 dumping and then back they come that's how it works so it is a lot of money to get to haul
00:09:35.540 waste into the u.s even though you're only paying 36 cents a ton and of course their complaint is
00:09:41.460 not just the waste processing which is you know probably beneficial to them financially but
00:09:47.140 it's the truck log that uh you know just bogging down these towns where people need access it's
00:09:54.340 become a major issue for for michigan by the sounds of it yeah well you know the cross but then
00:10:00.820 but then so oh i'm going to back up for a minute because the incentive i don't want to lose the
00:10:05.620 incineration discussion so you know they do have a process now where they have uh basically they take
00:10:14.420 the waste and they create energy and they do it through steam turbines so basically and i'll throw
00:10:20.260 it up on the screen for you but they create heat and electricity by actually burning it and then
00:10:25.860 taking the steam from the actually the incineration of the garbage and then uh putting it through
00:10:32.500 boilers purifying it and then they get ash of course and the ash is the thing that's dangerous
00:10:37.620 they they can now control the ash and the ash goes down and then it needs to go to the landfills so
00:10:44.260 that becomes solid waste and the ash becomes i would imagine a compacted solid waste yeah are
00:10:49.700 we doing this already in canada do you know yeah we're doing it uh we're doing it a few places
00:10:54.500 we're doing the one i know is in clarington i think where the minister is from yeah uh so i
00:10:59.380 know there's a big plant there they do this uh waste energy but it's not a major uh mike i don't
00:11:04.740 want to i don't want to get anyone sort of all excited that we can turn all our waste into
00:11:09.380 energy um it's it's how do i say it it's a process is it the most economical process
00:11:16.580 no it's a process you do because you have garbage right yeah so it's you know but it is you know
00:11:21.220 waste is a it's part of life yeah it's something that we have to solve right yeah uh well i don't
00:11:27.460 think we have a solution at the moment on that on the shipping front you know but you raise a
00:11:32.100 good point it has to be truckable right yeah oh yeah so where do we put it the problem in canada
00:11:38.020 and certainly in ontario is that we're so congested near the border that and you would have to
00:11:43.940 probably drive two and a half three hours in any direction maybe four hours in any direction to
00:11:50.580 ship garbage to a place in ontario where it wasn't going to cause complete havoc right but but now
00:11:56.820 with the price of fuel and diesel and everything going up can you afford to so now this is
00:12:02.580 interesting so you know um and the conundrum is a timeline so the issue is because it takes
00:12:10.500 and this is where you know the government the ontario government is is struggling with the
00:12:14.420 decision so again i talked about the fact that the you know the history of landfills no one
00:12:19.940 wanted them for years and there used to be protests it was politically insensitive think
00:12:24.820 about it you're you're living in a town and i i call this the the it's like the lottery i call it
00:12:31.300 the the waste lottery because quite frank you're living in a town your grandparents have left you
00:12:38.420 300 acres of land you're selling off the land every year to pay the property tax on the land
00:12:45.460 because the land's farmland or it's not being used for farmland so you're trying to you're trying to
00:12:49.620 stay alive so every year you're selling a little bit to try to keep as much land hoping that some
00:12:54.180 development comes the government shows up in your town and they start looking around and they say
00:13:00.420 your site's the site oh instantly your investment just dropped to next to nothing because
00:13:07.540 well no the guy that they picked the site on is is over wealthy yeah he's the guy everyone else
00:13:13.700 in the town loses all their land value right so it's like one of those things it's it's like the
00:13:19.620 it's like the small apartment that gets built or the big apartment that's get built on the block
00:13:24.740 and everyone groans because they now know that their home investment just went to zero plummeted
00:13:30.180 yeah yeah so quite frankly but this is worse this is worse than a quarry this is worse this is the
00:13:35.940 landfill right so you don't know no one's going to buy your house or buy your investment because
00:13:40.500 they don't know if your groundwater is going to get contaminated true so but you know landfills
00:13:46.660 so now i'm going to back up because i don't want to be too hard on landfills because we do need
00:13:50.900 them but you know and landfills have actually uh the technology around landfills has is uh
00:13:58.100 uh improved immensely over the over the last two decades so whether it's the drainage you know and
00:14:05.540 we'll put up a base of the university of calgary did a study on it okay and they did a great job
00:14:12.580 and they're you know they're they talk about how now they're highly engineered it's not like years
00:14:16.740 ago remember the landfills when we used to go up to the cottage oh yeah they just basically over
00:14:21.300 there in that section which we're going to bury pretty soon yeah is where you throw your your
00:14:27.300 waste garbage over here you can throw your metal stuff and in that bin it was pretty basic they
00:14:32.980 were like rock quarries that used to get turned into landfills and quite frankly the challenge
00:14:37.780 being is they over time you know the the groundwater was being contaminated and caused issues there's
00:14:44.340 not that many people living there so quite frankly no one really talked about it right there's
00:14:48.980 cottagers you know some lakes you know there were lakes we heard about that actually uh went bad
00:14:55.780 you know and people who had bought their cottages lost their investment i remember that but that was
00:15:00.020 actually even back in the day that was few and far between those were the horror stories of the
00:15:03.700 horror stories yeah that's what you did here but they were not that advanced you're right they were
00:15:07.460 pretty basic they were pretty basic but now you know there's uh basically they have a drainage
00:15:12.260 layer um they do a gravel uh uh collection pit on the bottom they put uh uh layer of
00:15:22.500 i call it a membrane now i call it a pool membrane but it's not it's not a pool cover but
00:15:27.780 but they actually do a plastic membrane in that's impermeable they do a bunch of stuff and then over
00:15:33.140 time uh they pack it pack it and the leachate systems collection systems that they have now
00:15:40.060 are amazing so they they do a great job on it and as they crush it down they actually put pipes into
00:15:45.660 it and they run the methane you're making a joke about golf courses that are based on landfills
00:15:50.380 or build on landfills yeah have the big methane pipes that are shooting out of the ground
00:15:54.540 um well they actually collect them and i know they're now starting to do stuff with
00:15:59.040 the methane that are they're pulling out of the pits that is true i've seen that in the west coast
00:16:03.900 yes there's there's a processing methane processing facilities yeah yeah so over time
00:16:09.540 the technology is getting better but it's still the same issue you know the same issue and it's
00:16:14.920 interesting because as soon as bill c 140 came about the minister and and we'll throw it up here
00:16:21.240 right away he had to make comment the press was right on okay dissect this for me all right there
00:16:27.460 There is never going to be the imposition of a landfill on any municipality that doesn't want it.
00:16:34.560 Municipalities will hold the pen on whether or not they want a landfill site.
00:16:38.520 But there are benefits, obviously, economic benefits, to having a landfill site, an expansion to a landfill, or an energy for waste site in a community.
00:16:48.520 But that will be up to municipalities inside, and proponents will come forward with proposals.
00:16:54.120 That's what this legislation does.
00:16:55.480 But it is a call to arms.
00:16:56.660 if we cannot manage our waste and we can't manage it in a multi-faceted way we're going to have
00:17:02.100 major problems wow okay yeah so uh what basically he said that we'll always have a say in it
00:17:10.820 but also uh we're passing bill c-140 so you won't have a say in it and so you know and what i mean
00:17:18.340 is there will be an environmental assessment but it's not an easy thing to govern this is a tough
00:17:24.420 one because the government a little bit late to the party quite frankly missed this should have
00:17:29.620 thought over time we needed a solution as we were going forward rather than just paying americans a
00:17:34.500 low surcharge per tonnage um but they didn't so we missed it uh now we're kind of have to scurry
00:17:40.660 and go but the problem is now i got to get environmental assessments done i got to get
00:17:45.460 a community to actually agree to one of these you actually have to push this into a community as
00:17:51.060 opposed to let a community adopt it or find a another alternative this kind of gives them to
00:17:58.660 the power to say no no we're enforcing this build of a landfill yeah we'll we'll we'll take
00:18:06.260 consultation on it but it's going here it's going here yeah yeah so you know it's kind of funny
00:18:10.580 because he he was trying to be diplomatic with the press saying you know we won't put it anywhere
00:18:17.140 well no you're going to put it somewhere right so it's going i like the way that the more he talked
00:18:22.580 the quieter he got his voice just petered out but this this one this one exposed a bunch of
00:18:29.460 really odd things and i think that they caught our attention we started preparing the show mike
00:18:34.580 the first thing quite frankly that we hit on the american uh approach so quite frankly how
00:18:40.340 mad americans are canadians um and we you know this is this is the republican candidate who's
00:18:46.740 actually been on the tariff side so he's actually been against trump saying get rid of the tariffs
00:18:52.340 and when it came to uh landfills he's like get them out of here so he's on the phone with trump
00:18:57.540 to say get out of here um and then quite frankly the mainstream media spin as we were going through
00:19:03.540 it on the fact that trump was taking tariffs off well he you know if we didn't have this landfill
00:19:09.540 issue i doubt any of us would have looked to the fact that he put a hundred new tariffs items on
00:19:15.460 uh tariffs on items it was took only 22 off so i'm like it was kind of the canary in the coal
00:19:21.220 mine on a whole whack of new tariffs and that shocked me when you said that today i thought
00:19:26.820 i mean the way that it's been delivered to us is major tariffs have been removed yeah that was it
00:19:34.420 no but but and then one of them one of them got added so quickly that it affects ontario instantly
00:19:41.460 on a major level i mean we're paying that 50 tax now now yeah oh of course we can't catch up to that
00:19:48.900 so our municipalities is getting ready for the show as we're doing the research on the show we're
00:19:52.900 kind of going through a bunch of stuff to find what each municipality's landfill capabilities
00:19:58.580 were and it was interesting because we we hit on which we're going to do another show on and i won't
00:20:04.260 spend a ton of time on it but we hit on vancouver and there's a really interesting article in the
00:20:09.380 vancouver sun today which if you get a chance you should read later but it talks about the fact that
00:20:15.380 property tax assessment values are significantly higher than uh residential home prices right now
00:20:23.460 so almost 400 000 gap so so they're paying property tax on an assessment that's almost 400
00:20:30.740 000 out of whack out of whack which we've talked about on shows before we've had this conversation
00:20:36.100 i hate to say we told you so but we were telling a lot of people that this was this day was going
00:20:41.060 to come it's come in vancouver i'm assuming it's going to come in toronto so now you're saying okay
00:20:46.820 well what does that have to do with it well the thing it has to do with it now is we just had
00:20:50.740 for example an election in in toronto so now the people of toronto at some point or people in
00:20:56.660 vancouver are going to come back forward and say we do my property tax assessment because i want
00:21:01.860 my mill rate to be based on my actual value of my home now i'm not going to lie which is
00:21:06.900 significantly lower so then my property tax should go down it shouldn't go up because that's why
00:21:12.820 you're you know this is the the process i paid when it went up now it's down i'm not going to
00:21:18.580 pay you on a value that's down how about this i paid hst at the height of the market yeah i paid
00:21:25.140 tax at the height of the market on a home right yes now i'm watching the that very home that over
00:21:32.820 overinflated nightmare uh still taxed me at that rate at that overinflated rate that i could never
00:21:40.580 get the home sold for right so now these cities that were all like okay you know i'm gonna feed
00:21:46.020 330 000 children at lunch are sitting there with with this issue of property tax now their waste
00:21:54.340 disposal bills are going to start going up all over the place because quite frankly it's going
00:21:59.140 to come back to them it's 50 increase now the michigan here's the interesting thing which we
00:22:04.500 should have picked up earlier also uh gretchen whitmer who's the governor of michigan she's been
00:22:10.500 she's hated she's hated this garbage idea forever ever yeah and at one point she said it should go
00:22:16.660 to five dollars a ton so she's actually tried to get it to go up to five dollars a ton from 36 0.91
00:22:23.060 cents so we should have at some point said you know hey this could be a problem yeah this could
00:22:28.820 be a problem so we missed this one so a number of things we missed and well and quite frankly
00:22:34.580 haven't reported on properly is you know this issue of tariffs and then not paying attention
00:22:41.300 to what uh our neighbor was doing with our waste is a big big mistake how long until olivia chow
00:22:47.940 tells everybody there's going to be a garbage tax well it's interesting so she you know so now this
00:22:53.780 is this is a whole other issue like i said for another show but now quite frankly when it comes
00:22:59.380 time which she when you look in writing on her site this is just one mayor we're and i'm sorry
00:23:05.780 we're not picking on you but but we're we're using it as an example she never said anything
00:23:11.540 about property tax increases so now if property tax increases are off the table she did talk about
00:23:18.500 it she did talk about she never did put in writing on her site but that was her platform if you look
00:23:23.700 at her platform we went and actually took a look and recorded all their platforms when the elections
00:23:27.940 were over so we could have them for future shows she was one of the few mayors that never actually
00:23:33.940 commented on property tax increases so if you look at it and you say okay so you know you're
00:23:41.140 going to go to the well how do you go to the well now and quite frankly you have all these increasing
00:23:45.860 costs so whether or not now we have to build a landfill somewhere else in ontario well the
00:23:51.060 charges for that landfill are going to be significantly higher than what you're paying
00:23:54.500 at the 36 cents a ton to ship to the to michigan because it's you know it's very you you can only
00:24:00.980 imagine you got to go buy the land you got to do all this treatment to the land you have to go
00:24:04.980 through environmental assessments to the land you have to ship to where you're going to ship it to
00:24:09.300 far enough out of the city so someone might take it because all the losers you have to make sure
00:24:15.060 that all the people lose uh residential or commercial uh real estate value around you
00:24:22.420 the one yeah there's one winner in that lottery and that's the landowner that actually gets the
00:24:27.380 landfill right right the rest are all everybody else loses on it so everyone else loses right
00:24:32.420 you've got my mind you've got my head spinning over okay we're at a place right now where home
00:24:36.980 values are not the same that means the tax base is going to shrink and if it doesn't yeah something's
00:24:42.820 wrong so let's just say that well it can't go higher well but you're stuck it should be it
00:24:50.100 It should be compensated.
00:24:51.100 So it should be going down.
00:24:52.100 It should be compensated.
00:24:53.100 And I think municipalities are going to find themselves in that scenario.
00:24:56.100 Yep.
00:24:57.100 At the same time, all these tariff-ridden problems that hit the municipalities,
00:25:01.100 like garbage, recycling, even certain industries that are being tariffed,
00:25:07.100 that are everything in that town, whether it's steel,
00:25:11.100 and I get it, we've pared back some of those.
00:25:14.100 Whatever the industry is that's being affected by it,
00:25:17.100 At the same time, the tax base is shrinking.
00:25:20.740 And if it doesn't, there should be something looked into.
00:25:24.120 And at the same time, we have other.
00:25:27.160 So the municipalities are going to get squeezed at a time where their expenses are going to grow.
00:25:33.480 How long until some of these municipalities just break?
00:25:37.100 Oh, yeah.
00:25:37.500 What?
00:25:37.960 We've done shows on this, Mike.
00:25:39.760 I think if you don't believe amalgamation of municipalities are going to happen shortly.
00:25:46.560 It has to.
00:25:47.100 think you're delusional i think you're out to lunch you know what i think if you think you're
00:25:51.280 living in a small community or a small municipality or and and you think it's going to sustain i i
00:25:57.060 think you're you're not focused so i'm driving through uh manitoba and regina and both of those
00:26:04.240 provinces there are remote townships that are the only thing within uh within arm's reach of each
00:26:13.020 other and then there's nothing and there is no amalgamation there that i think makes a huge
00:26:17.920 difference uh i think now they're going to have to start to think about i'm sorry this town isn't
00:26:25.100 going to survive this is terrible to say please forgive me this town isn't going to survive this
00:26:30.700 one is amalgamation this one's not going to is that what you envision in your mind yeah i think
00:26:36.580 it's incentive programs to get incentive programs to get people to relocate yeah i think we're going
00:26:41.900 have to figure out but but you know it's interesting mike and back on the landfill thing it
00:26:46.540 you know we think so when i was going through you know bill c-140 bill by the way if anyone gets a
00:26:53.260 chance take a look at bill c-140 it covers like everything from archaeological uh changes to
00:26:59.980 legislation and it's it's a build ontario faster and quite frankly it really does eliminate a lot
00:27:06.780 of uh current checks and balances which i think a lot of it is needed so i'm not criticizing the
00:27:12.700 bill but it is a very uh extensive piece of legislation that covers a number of items you
00:27:19.740 know the first one is highway 69 it basically speeds up all the environmental challenges or
00:27:27.740 environmental reviews that happen uh with respect to that highway um so and there's a bunch of other
00:27:33.580 stuff in there including uh landfill legislation which you know i know the minister wants to
00:27:41.580 be consultative which is great yeah but at the end of the day it says what it says your council
00:27:47.100 yeah doesn't really doesn't it's not a municipal decision anymore sorry just to zoom in on highway
00:27:51.660 the highway 69 issue that to me is the natural it's so funny that this came up that in my mind
00:27:57.980 was the natural transport lane for our own garbage,
00:28:02.800 could we find a landfill solution in Ontario?
00:28:06.900 That that would be a really integral route.
00:28:10.160 And can we right now bypass the nonsense
00:28:13.920 that Michigan's experiencing with overflow of garbage traffic?
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00:28:32.960 what happens behind the paywall. All right, back to the show. Yeah, I think we could. I think you
00:28:38.320 need the roads. You need someone to buy into it, quite frankly. Whether they protest or not,
00:28:45.880 it's going to happen. You're seeing what's happening with things, which I don't disagree
00:28:52.100 with. For example, bike lanes, right? There's a lot of stuff changing right now. I think quite
00:28:57.900 frankly you're seeing uh majority government make some interesting moves that i think are good and
00:29:03.740 i think they have some good things in i think they're challenging for some people and you're
00:29:07.340 seeing people you know get out there and protest and get their views known so you know there's a
00:29:12.620 pros and cons to every decision i think what they're trying to do is speed those decisions up
00:29:17.340 now well i think that we do let protest delay way too much in in canada we we just want we don't
00:29:23.420 to hurt anybody's feelings for whatever reason yeah yeah yeah now it's interesting we think
00:29:28.300 you know a lot of people are saying well why don't we just wait till after the midterms because the
00:29:32.140 garbage conundrum will go away i don't think the garbage conundrum is going to go away because if
00:29:36.940 mike rogers you know uh trump is out there stumping for all these guys trying to get them through the 0.81
00:29:41.820 midterm including rogers i think there's a lot going on there um it may go away but still like
00:29:48.060 you said if the democrat gets in is it going to go away is he going to be is he going to take a
00:29:52.220 a different position on landfills in michigan especially in wayne county which is you know
00:29:57.300 where uh you know it's a poor county quite frankly that's probably why a lot of the reason it ended
00:30:02.760 up there um landfills went to a county that quite frankly outside of detroit that uh just needed the
00:30:09.280 economic yeah needed some stimulus and landfills were kind of what they had you know you got to
00:30:14.600 remember you you remember the time i remember not even so long ago quite frankly sitting over in
00:30:20.060 Windsor um and having a beer and watching watching the warehouses burn yeah because the you know the
00:30:27.520 Detroit fire department only were so shorthanded they could only respond to some of the fires well
00:30:32.600 their solution was to mitigate so they they didn't even try to fight the fires they just let them burn
00:30:37.100 to the ground and try to make sure they didn't spread so they would just put a perimeter around
00:30:41.940 the buildings okay that one can't burn again yeah yeah exactly and that was their that was their
00:30:47.360 strategy and we used to watch night after night all summer long uh you know as the as the as the
00:30:52.960 warehouses and the buildings burn so this is kind of what we have to deal with uh you know it kind
00:30:59.440 of uh by the way i promised my wife i would show this image if you don't mind throwing it up nick
00:31:04.320 of what our garbage looks like going to the u.s that's a pretty significant oh yeah how many
00:31:11.440 football fields it's like 10 10 or 15 football fields of garbage piled so many feet high 30 or
00:31:18.160 40 feet high it's like crazy i believe it's a hell of a lot more than that in the way a football
00:31:24.240 field okay it is a nation okay take a look at it but having said that it does kind of put into
00:31:30.720 perspective how big the problem is and to your point the midterms only at best the midterms
00:31:38.320 stave this off for another day because as you point out michigan's been against this uh ohio's
00:31:44.020 been against this new york has been against this for a long time now so what we saw was a tariff 0.99
00:31:50.380 bubble up really quickly bite us in the ass it's going to bite us in the ass again we need to find 0.99
00:31:56.780 a solution for this well and it is by the way i should point out 20 27 of our garbage going down 1.00
00:32:03.640 there okay it's still only 27 of our overall uh waste but it's significant categories of waste
00:32:11.500 we don't have the means to manage at the moment yeah yeah and if now with it shut off mike we
00:32:17.020 only had till 2037 until our landfills were full yeah so now with this being shut off we have till
00:32:23.960 2034 so it's it's eliminated three years years so three years off that timeline they're saying it
00:32:31.320 takes a decade to build a landfill i can see that based on what you're showing us with the new
00:32:36.240 infrastructure that needs built that that makes sense so you're gonna buy the land assess the land
00:32:41.360 cancel the deal on the land find new land assess the land i i can see it being at least 10 if we
00:32:47.100 say 10 years you know what we mean but the problem is quite frankly we're out of landfill by by 34
00:32:53.240 so 26 now 10 years we're 36 we're two years so we're we're already missed the timeline
00:33:00.320 we're already over so quite frankly we either have to expedite something so to me that's or
00:33:06.000 prepare to deal with or prepare to take this deal for a period of time yeah or pay but again you
00:33:11.760 know it's a catch-22 at some point so at some point this is the interesting part now and i'm
00:33:17.200 not saying this will happen and i hope it won't happen but you trump say everyone's right and
00:33:22.960 trump does lose in the midterms and he gets annihilated yeah so but he doesn't get annihilated
00:33:29.200 so much that he loses two-thirds of the senate so he he's not going to be impeached so quite
00:33:35.040 frankly if he keeps so much of the senate and and he won't have to worry about an impeachment
00:33:40.000 right because quite frankly you need two-thirds so he won't have that issue so it'll be a stalemate
00:33:44.880 so and he'll be mad so then he'll start to cut things off slow down border traffic you know
00:33:52.160 canada won't be his favorite son because quite frankly and i don't know about you they're saying
00:33:56.960 over the weekend the same people that told us one side of the tariff story when it came to landfills
00:34:03.360 and that's the mainstream media are now telling us quite frankly that they're talking yeah yeah
00:34:09.840 i don't believe they're talking i don't i don't believe that for one second how can we believe it
00:34:14.560 no i don't believe that's that's just to me that's propaganda and quite frankly you know
00:34:20.160 They're putting it out because they're trying to look like they're not hurting Trump for the midterms.
00:34:28.400 Trump is saying that because he's trying to tell people in states that are affected by tariffs that he's getting there.
00:34:35.480 I think this is purely propaganda for our entertainment, Mike.
00:34:40.180 Also, I would agree, and I don't think the—I say this often, you can't unring bells very easily.
00:34:45.840 You know, like you said, okay, 20 tariffs off, 100 new ones over here.
00:34:52.040 You know, there's no magical spell for unringing the bell on financial things.
00:34:58.840 We either create a new deal overall, which Trump is not going to do,
00:35:03.020 especially if he blows it up in the midterms.
00:35:06.500 We're going to have to wait for another administration in there.
00:35:09.940 And even at that point, Michigan's going to stand up.
00:35:12.740 mike rogers is going to stand up and say you're not taking away this source of revenue and i wonder
00:35:18.180 if mike rogers is if his state will see even a single dime of this tariff i would imagine they
00:35:24.420 don't because it sounds to me like the budget's upside down well the budget's upside down you know
00:35:31.460 on friday i get home and i'm sitting you know watching uh one of trump's stump speeches from
00:35:37.460 like iowa or somewhere um and you know i'm sitting there listening and he gets up and he says
00:35:42.740 i'm going to give if you vote for me i'm going to give each and every american five thousand dollars
00:35:47.960 they don't have that money well he's you know from the tariffs that i'm getting i'm going to
00:35:56.500 get and from the all the things going on the wealth in the nation has increased and i'm going
00:36:01.060 to he's that's part of his plan right that's part of his vote for me and it's that blunt and i know
00:36:08.560 most canadians aren't watching so quite frankly they probably don't get that but you know he's
00:36:13.120 of course you know he's saying i'm not on the ballot on the ballot but i am because your
00:36:18.940 candidate is me i'm representing them i need your support i'm going to give you five thousand dollars
00:36:24.020 and by the way the democrats um voted 100 against uh tax-free tips um and tax-free overtime
00:36:32.100 and those will go away so you know those are compelling arguments you know all of a sudden
00:36:39.080 all of a sudden he's got me with the five thousand dollars a vote yeah well it's a very interesting
00:36:44.000 and i'm not saying he's going to get there but i'm saying it's very interesting it's very interesting
00:36:48.700 to think that you're going to totally wipe him out with some of these promises so you might win
00:36:53.600 the democrats might take you know a majority of both houses uh both chambers but quite frankly
00:37:00.580 i don't think that's predicted at the moment but no the senate i think will stay with him yeah but
00:37:05.380 quite frankly anything can happen in elections and polling is very tight right now but you look at it
00:37:13.460 for sure he's going to be around for those two years if he's that pissed off that his outcome
00:37:18.420 is not what he wanted you know we could go from terrorists to outright done yeah he could sanction
00:37:26.740 yeah and then then we're in a very interesting position because we know we don't have anywhere
00:37:31.620 to ship garbage so it's it's you know it's a balancing act and quite frankly we're we haven't
00:37:38.180 done a good job we have some challenges going forward i call it a lottery because someone's
00:37:43.540 going to get picked so some some lucky landowner and is horribly uh bad luck neighbors are going
00:37:52.740 going to take this yeah yeah i think you're probably right that's i mean there's no other
00:37:56.440 reason i have to put this bill into play and by the way it feels to me paul like we kind of need
00:38:01.320 to do something of our own when when you hear mike rogers say oh it's our largest land mass in
00:38:06.820 the world and they can't manage their own landfill yeah and we are by comparison so small uh per
00:38:15.500 capita you know uh compared to the u.s like i mentioned earlier uh their incinerators i think
00:38:22.300 have 140 incinerators in the u.s every second state has you know a couple incinerators so quite
00:38:28.060 frankly um they're garbage now they do ship garbage you know it's interesting when i was
00:38:32.780 doing the research for this they ship from maine down to new brunswick quite a bit of garbage oh 0.94
00:38:37.820 i didn't know that quite of actually in new brunswick um landfills are quite a big quite a
00:38:42.540 big industry well new brunswick let's get our tariff out come on yeah well but again you know
00:38:49.020 the way we run our canadian processes right you know our inter-provincial trade everything else
00:38:55.020 we definitely run province by province you know we've seen quite frankly last week we saw when the
00:39:00.700 the conference the eu conference was here in quebec look at that whole fiasco
00:39:04.780 right and and you know now quite frankly you know we hear at the end of the week
00:39:08.460 interesting plan mondan and carney are gonna have a meeting now yeah so now it's over they're gonna
00:39:14.300 actually meet well yeah do i believe that too i probably don't believe well after he said he's not
00:39:19.260 going to the eu summit i was like oh all right he won't be yeah no no i think these are just
00:39:24.380 messaging right at this point yeah they will meet they'll meet you know two months from now but
00:39:30.380 it's just to get everyone comforted down that you know that's going to get worked out but
00:39:36.540 i don't think much comes with that meeting to be honest with you i mean
00:39:39.660 no back is now poised to do its thing yeah you know how did we get to go back but look at this
00:39:46.220 here's here's my question do you think a lot of our garbage goes down to the u.s and then back
00:39:50.540 up to new brunswick no no no okay no i don't i hope not that would be bizarre there's a vig
00:39:56.620 there's a vig on it it ends up back in new brunswick yeah right the foreign exchange yeah
00:40:00.620 but no no but but you know it's interesting because uh you know we we talked about this
00:40:05.580 quite a bit there there's meetings between you know whether it be premiers whether we
00:40:09.660 premiers and the prime minister hey garbage landfills all these things big issue but you
00:40:15.100 think at some point there's some conversation that would take place to say what is our national
00:40:20.380 strategy for landfills yeah we can't recycle our way out of this yeah so you know where does it go
00:40:28.060 how do we ship you know what is our you know and we have lots of environmental requirements quite
00:40:33.660 frankly every every province has their own environmental group every you know the federal
00:40:38.140 environment we have lots of red tape on this one but yet it's not a conversation that we we wanted
00:40:43.660 to sit down and project and talk about because at the end of the day so say that you know say that
00:40:49.180 that border is cut off from garbage you know shipping it goes somewhere else in canada so
00:40:55.420 then it has to start going because we don't have a landfill ready right so then the next step is
00:41:00.300 what's our contingency plan if that happened which province would it go to what would be the
00:41:04.860 surcharge on that process how would it be passed back to the citizen and then how do you explain
00:41:09.420 that to citizens now because that's going to get you kind of have to go to them with an entire plan
00:41:13.420 right saying okay for this period of time we're going to ship to new brunswick for example right
00:41:17.660 in that period of time we're going to be building our own incinerators and begin the then my question
00:41:23.740 as a taxpayer is how do we miss this and why am i paying the bill and why wasn't this why wasn't
00:41:28.540 this baked into a plan 10 years ago so we didn't we could transition it why were we dependent you
00:41:35.500 know it brings up again it's like a pandora's box when you get into some of these shows i always
00:41:40.540 tell you that you start on one thing and then you're going down you're going oh we forgot that
00:41:44.700 oh wait a minute we didn't do that that links to this chain yeah you know and i i know they're
00:41:48.940 trying to get through it i appreciate that and they're trying to actually get through some red
00:41:52.620 tape um but you know the shocking thing about this to me is i think someone would have picked
00:41:58.640 this up along the way this got to be a red flag for some good news paul good news good news i
00:42:04.140 think this is the last one we're going to miss on the terrafront i think we're good from here
00:42:08.780 on in we're keeping an eye right no no all right well thanks i appreciate this