True Patriot Love - November 12, 2026


Stellantis Fallout： Is Canada Losing Its Auto Industry？

Carney’s $25B Wealth Fund Gets a New CEO—Will It Work？ ft. Anthony Furey

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00:00:00 all of a sudden Stellantis is a four-letter word after what took place at the longtime
00:00:09 Stellantis plant in Brampton and the fallout from then so as always joined by Paul Micucci
00:00:15 and Mike Wixson and what's been a wild last few days for provincial municipal and federal
00:00:20 politics all coming together in a real mess in this country not gonna lie we saw this one coming
00:00:26 Yeah. Yeah, we did. It's interesting. Is Stellantis looking at kind of the Australian
00:00:30 experience all over again? You know, 2021, basically, you know, they did this huge merger
00:00:36 with Peugeot Citroen. Oh, right. And then quite frankly, right after that, they were basically
00:00:42 eliminated from the nation. So, you know, is it kind of 2.0? What are they thinking today? You
00:00:50 got to be wondering because quite frankly, they're right in the like deers in the headlights of this
00:00:54 Oh, they must be, because $529 million was our initial federal commitment.
00:00:59 That was for Windsor and Brampton, for the two plants.
00:01:02 And I guess the federal payout was due by March 2025.
00:01:08 $222 million already went out.
00:01:10 2,000 Brampton workers still out of work.
00:01:14 Now, Rochelle, which is a Brampton-Mississauga company
00:01:17 that makes state-of-the-art armored cars,
00:01:20 which the Canadian government have bought thousands and given it to Ukraine,
00:01:23 have performed incredibly in combat conditions the feeling is they've bought the plant they want to
00:01:31 build armored cars and the ceo said and cars at that plant and they're willing to hire back
00:01:36 employees that were laid off at their rate yeah uh stellantis leaves a staff behind 2 000 people
00:01:43 that were unionized yeah yeah rochelle well it's interesting and it's a big plant it's a huge plan
00:01:50 for anyone who hasn't been you drive by it takes forever to get to the end yeah for our viewers
00:01:53 this is one of the bigger auto plants you're gonna actually go by so it's a huge plant quite frankly
00:01:59 um you know and it's interesting there is i think it was uh volpe right uh why did you need that
00:02:07 plant uh they were trying they were basically criticizing them for actually uh buying the
00:02:13 plant but that's been a discussion that's been happening with rochelle it's been happening with
00:02:18 the government it's been happening for months now right it does feel like it came from uh
00:02:25 out of no place but the truth is this is such a major deal that you know it's been discussed
00:02:31 in in back rooms now ongoing every day since it started to fall apart so give a shout out
00:02:37 to mark warner who pointed this out the heavily redacted 2022 agreement which you alluded to
00:02:44 says that stellantis must operate the plant in brampton until 2035 unless levees adverse market
00:02:51 conditions or other factors have a material impact on the plant that is quite a big out for someone
00:02:58 like stellantis to tap out of it oh yeah yeah but you know we uh and i think pierre polyev was was
00:03:05 quite uh you know a big orchestrated event where he steps up to the microphone and he says you know
00:03:12 15 billion dollars in tax money have been you know handed to these companies well
00:03:19 you know most of their deal from what i understand is production based so if they produce the batteries
00:03:25 or if they produce the cars they produce you know whether it be lg whether it be you know nexstar
00:03:29 all these yeah if they produce it they get their benefits so i think that's one of the i think
00:03:35 positive things of all this but then put yourself in the company's shoes so in the company's shoes
00:03:40 they're sitting there now and thinking okay the electric vehicle market in canada right now
00:03:45 it's it's weak and i did i didn't want to start off with australia because i didn't want to go
00:03:49 negative but that was a bombshell for that company so you think about the history of a company
00:03:53 stelantis is all around the world right so they've looked at markets they've seen markets
00:03:57 they've seen markets they've imploded in so now they're looking at canada right now and they're
00:04:02 looking at their contribution and their investment and they're like holy crap like i built these
00:04:08 plants i own these plants but there's no market a very quick favor before we continue a large
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00:04:42 to the show well the whole world you know australia and canada we went bananas talking
00:04:48 about electric vehicles we were going to go carbon zero carbon zero carbon and and then suddenly we
00:04:55 get to your point we were talking before the show paul points out you know suddenly we've got a
00:05:00 prime minister that's real super interested in helping out alberta and getting us back into the
00:05:04 oil and lng game okay beyond that in your road trips the tpl road trips you took and you took
00:05:10 when you get out of major cities how much infrastructure have you seen for electric
00:05:15 vehicles well i see signs actually that say uh make sure that you've got a full tank of gas
00:05:20 because there's no more for 380 kilometers right so yeah no it's just my my friend joe bought an
00:05:26 electric car you know this is an antidotal story but you know he comes to visit me in toronto and
00:05:32 i'll call him and say what are you doing he says i'm sitting over by the amazon center getting my
00:05:37 electric charge i'm like well what do you mean you said no he says i gotta sit here for an hour
00:05:41 and a half now yeah i gotta wait for my car to charge get for my car to charge and i'm like okay
00:05:46 how is that more efficient yeah there's no infrastructure i don't have an electric my new
00:05:50 house yeah but you have an electric charger so if he stays with us you know he's got to go find
00:05:56 because you need special infrastructure to get the 30-minute charge they talked about it
00:06:01 but you need special plugs special this special that so when you say paul if it's just normal it
00:06:06 takes you two or three times as long right i don't get it so you know i mean i really do want one but
00:06:11 when we talk about this i'm like i can't do it it's interesting because you know the the last
00:06:16 house i built i put one in uh and you know i thought oh this is going to be great value people
00:06:21 no one was interested in it honestly when i came to buy the house no one you're saying look at this
00:06:26 look at this no one cared yeah i was like i was so disappointed because i did the work i had a
00:06:30 i had a backup transfer switch i had the the uh the plug for the car i had everything in and i've
00:06:37 done it all my mostly myself right you know what's selling hybrids because people know that i have a
00:06:44 gas engine i have electric engine i get 40 45 more mileage that's my truck right so hybrid i'm seeing
00:06:52 everyone make hybrids because that is more popular and more open to more canadians they're expensive
00:07:00 as hell but yeah but then you know so you have stelantis with the market is changing quite
00:07:04 frankly tariffs as you mentioned come on you know ohio you know it was interesting they were trying
00:07:11 to convince us this was honda uh the representatives from honda were trying to convince us how great it
00:07:16 was you know that the government had put more money into the honda plant in alliston uh you know
00:07:23 they had put more money into the plant to retool the plant at the same time they're building a
00:07:27 $3 billion plant over in Ohio at how much an hour for their wages.
00:07:32 And that's the big thing.
00:07:33 How much are they making an hour in Ohio as opposed to the Brampton plant?
00:07:38 I'm sure they're making less.
00:07:39 Oh, yeah.
00:07:39 I mean, that means more profit for Stellantis when they sell a Jeep or a vehicle.
00:07:45 Even if it's on par, more access to employees, more access to talent.
00:07:50 They're right inside the marketplace enough to ship anything, to be honest with you.
00:07:55 And then, Jim, can you read that thing to me again?
00:07:57 And sorry, the out clause was unless levies, adverse market conditions,
00:08:03 or other factors have a material impact on the plant.
00:08:06 Before we even get to other factors, tariffs cover off the other two.
00:08:11 So if I was Stellantis, and the one thing that I know about the auto industry
00:08:15 is that tariffs are all over the place all the time,
00:08:18 that would give me a comfort level, I'm out.
00:08:21 Because no matter what, without any penalty, we're out.
00:08:24 We've done what we've done.
00:08:25 the clause is in the deal well think about it so you know having well versed in the american world
00:08:31 and politics and everything even the blue wave wasn't like they didn't even wait it out they
00:08:36 were like it doesn't matter who gets in this issue is going to be around for a while i'm going to
00:08:41 start to you know vacate myself from these issues um and that's the worry the worry right now is
00:08:47 what is next what's you know the nine i think nine plants left uh what's the worry now right
00:08:54 i'd be extremely worried wouldn't you uh yeah oh yeah of course right of course and you know like
00:08:59 i said you know there's other countries that have been through this um you know are we all in waymos 0.63
00:09:06 soon like what is coming next i saw a waymo on the road the other day downtown toronto we have
00:09:10 waymos in toronto yeah there like was someone driving it into the downtown core obviously
00:09:15 they're doing testing starting to test oh yeah yeah so you know what what is this market turning
00:09:19 out to me absolutely frankly and maybe that's um can i ask you something yes i get out of a waymo
00:09:25 and i leave the door open what's the waymo gonna do is it just sit there disabled anyway it might
00:09:31 be in the comments it might be a feature you know like uh where the automatic door closes
00:09:35 so it'll close like the back hatch of like an suv you tell us in the comments
00:09:41 that just popped to mind sorry about that but it is you know you look at this and you think
00:09:46 yourself you know two sides of this not not good for anyone but okay you want them to
00:09:53 you want them to so the this is where i couldn't figure out the the conversation by the unions
00:10:00 i understand you know there's a collective agreement you're going to actually get into
00:10:04 you're going to sit down you're going to hammer out what the payments to the
00:10:08 remaining employees are left it's a terrible thing i feel for the people i understand absolutely
00:10:13 it's awful especially before christmas not good news um yeah you're going to try to do some
00:10:18 retraining if they're young enough to actually retrain to go into other markets i don't think
00:10:22 they'll go into the auto market or to the rochelle plant yeah or uh potentially potentially that's
00:10:28 up to them if they want to you know if depending on if they want i think those people i think a
00:10:33 large percentage of that 2 000 workers is not going to have much choice to be honest with you
00:10:38 if that's where they were yeah yeah headed right but but at the end of the day stelantis now is
00:10:44 like okay we got rid of that plant where we at now so then they have to head up to windsor and
00:10:49 take a look at what they want to do in windsor um that's the next decision like these are sequential
00:10:55 decisions now they have to say does this business model make sense anymore if it doesn't make sense
00:11:00 from a from a government perspective you know i think it's nine billion dollars they just put
00:11:05 in to support the marketplace the question i have is okay what is that strategy okay well
00:11:12 here's why i don't know what it is for workers because listen i'm i think that's these people in
00:11:18 brampton apparently uh were paid for three years to stick around and wait for the outcome of the
00:11:24 plan huh most places don't have that when you get laid off right no grapes two weeks so yeah quite
00:11:32 frankly so you're and they're they're pushing you toward the government programs right so now this
00:11:37 is kind of where we're going so now we have we've put we've set money aside we've printed okay so
00:11:45 what's the plan now well you i'll tell you one thing i don't know because on one time early in
00:11:52 the afternoon mark carney you and i watched it was talking about how it was unacceptable
00:11:57 blah blah blah with men only jolie standing behind him and then nodding your head today we find out
00:12:03 from a give ctv full credit the carney government was quote actively involved in talks leading to
00:12:10 the stalanta sale in brampton well why wouldn't they have said that they made it sound like it
00:12:14 was the crime of the century but meanwhile they've been talking about this for months yeah for them
00:12:18 to come out it's a bit duplicitous i have to admit man like so what is their plan then well that is
00:12:24 that's what that's why they're saying so the reason they're quiet is because someone at some
00:12:28 point which they haven't asked the question yet you notice in that i've been watching it
00:12:34 uh minister jolie what's the plan what do you mean what's the plan well what's the plan you
00:12:41 allocated nine billion dollars to this industry so like what are you doing with it you're the minister
00:12:46 you've been allocated the monies right what is your plan like forget not don't forget the
00:12:53 contractual obligations of everyone who got subsidized so a company comes in whether it
00:12:58 be an auto or whatever we decide as a nation to subsidize them to actually help them expand their
00:13:03 business to keep people employed so we can make so we can make income tax from those employees and
00:13:09 provide jobs and make people you know so we subsidize industries all the time but they have
00:13:14 out clauses they have out clauses they're agreements right so they have conditions
00:13:18 that condition is very broad okay frank it doesn't look like it's going to keep anyone
00:13:22 that's an open that's an open door yeah so if that's the clause that that's pretty broad so i
00:13:27 think that you know her standing up and saying hey the clause we put in is very broad they're out
00:13:32 right yeah okay but that is not fine but it would have been nice if the legals were better on it
00:13:38 yeah but they weren't so quite frankly that's fine what's the next plan what's the next plan
00:13:42 we've not heard anything are we gonna as a nation are we gonna build our own cars is as a nation are
00:13:47 we gonna do our own whamos like what is the plan like that's where i'm that's where i'm missing
00:13:51 we can get up on the podium all day long and say we've been hurt by the terrorists we've been hurt
00:13:55 by this i'm kind of getting anxious when i'm seeing her standing there all the time talking
00:14:00 about she's going to look at the stelco agreement she's going to look at the atlantis and then what
00:14:05 look at it but we can't build cars to that scale as a nation here's the here's the sorry um no no
00:14:11 what please finish no no here's the challenge she's a lawyer yeah right so she's good to the
00:14:18 end of the agreement she understands the entire document she is but the problem is you might not
00:14:24 need a lawyer in the the minister of industry right now you might need someone who's actually
00:14:29 built something and knows how to actually execute something to build industry and that's where i
00:14:35 think he's missing you know the call for her resignation quite frankly because you might
00:14:41 have the wrong person with the wrong well uniform's not exactly a big fan of her right now right
00:14:45 well but yeah that's fine you know you can have great lawyers alongside of that minister of 0.65
00:14:51 industry of course yeah who puts a plan in the place to create jobs in industry yeah but that
00:14:57 needs to be the focus of that minister exactly now not just waiting for agreements to trigger
00:15:02 you know one after another okay so what are we going to do on the 10th auto plant when the 10th
00:15:06 auto plant closes are she going to be standing there going i'm going to look at their agreement
00:15:11 it yeah okay well it doesn't matter they're gone mike are we naive enough to think that there'll
00:15:16 be other ones to fall the next six to 12 months in this country well i mean if the if if it looks
00:15:21 like you can exit the parking garage with ease yes others are going to leave and then back to you
00:15:28 what is the plan then well so think you know think about it right now you know are cars overpriced
00:15:35 yes okay are people concerned about incomes yes right it doesn't make for a good uh forecast
00:15:44 for auto sales does it now no right no so quite frankly you know in a downturn in a downturn uh
00:15:51 economy with people concerned about capital expenditures on a personal basis you have to
00:15:57 think that this is on the mind of like you know if if home sales are almost zero and car sales are
00:16:04 shortly behind or closely behind you have to be thinking there's about a bunch of auto manufacturers
00:16:10 unless they can to do what they're doing in alliston and create aftermarket parts start to
00:16:15 retool it for every part right every car deals and that that feels temporary as well to be honest
00:16:20 with you like any adjustment that they make in the auto industry to me seems a little uh well
00:16:27 it seems like it's on on eggshells because the market is changing you're right people aren't
00:16:32 buying cars as much every car dealership i drive by their overflow lots are full yeah oh yeah full
00:16:39 full yeah yeah i noticed that too but you know then if you're creating if you're retooling to
00:16:44 do aftermarket parts quite frankly you're putting other canadians who are already in
00:16:49 you know aftermarket part businesses that are already you're squeezing them out you're squeezing
00:16:54 someone somebody's getting pushed so you're doing it on that end to push out another guy to survive
00:16:59 so there i don't even know if that made sense quite frankly so we subsidized that
00:17:06 this then was that a good decision and was that going to push another manufacturer here out of
00:17:12 business that's that's where you need a plan right that that's where a plan comes into place it's not
00:17:18 just a bunch of government money allocated and reserved to go against product like this project
00:17:23 and that project it's a plan on how we're going to move forward mike after you're done i'll tell
00:17:27 you my plan if i was it's so funny i got a plan too mine's ridiculous yeah yesterday i just want
00:17:35 to point this out yesterday jim and i did a show talking about the uh uh investment the government's
00:17:40 making in cohere right it's please watch that episode it's such a ridiculous idea we are bad
00:17:46 at this when are we going to stop putting government money into private industry that
00:17:53 shouldn't be there otherwise you just illustrated it nobody's buying cars the aftermarket parts
00:17:58 aren't there if somebody has to if one of the big guys has to change to aftermarket somebody else is
00:18:03 out of the market this is a bad investment the same thing with ai let's invest in ai three days
00:18:10 after the market crashes in the usa on it we are not good at this we might need to rethink how we
00:18:17 spend money in industry entirely and maybe that is a new minister but it starts at the top it starts
00:18:23 with a budget that doesn't add up to a plan. So my plan is we have Rochelle, a Canadian company
00:18:29 that takes the chassis and drivetrain and engine from Ford F-550 and 650 heavy-duty trucks built
00:18:37 in Oakville and then in Brampton they turned them into state-of-the-art armored vehicles. They've
00:18:42 built thousands and have given them to Ukraine and they've saved thousands of lives for people
00:18:50 the front lines our government has said we want 70 percent of our new purchase for the military
00:18:56 canadian our canadian army are desperate for new vehicles like that that's a no-brainer here we're
00:19:02 gonna make a purchase of 1 1500 new armored vehicles for the canadian military built in
00:19:08 brampton at the rochelle plant that now is in brampton they used to be stalantis that's instant
00:19:13 jobs instant why having you why do you think they're not telling us that story i don't know
00:19:18 it's a no-brainer why do you think they're not telling us that story unless they're waiting to
00:19:22 announce the contract i don't understand we just set up a whole crown corporation for procurement
00:19:27 of the military right that was announced months ago now a couple months ago i don't know i honestly
00:19:32 guys i i would love to say that i have a plan for the auto industry right i don't i don't quite
00:19:39 frankly because they're the only ones who quite frankly because they've subsidized it so heavily
00:19:46 they're the government the government would be the only ones who would know each and every one
00:19:50 of their agreements and what their risk is of and at some point they have to say okay here's
00:19:56 what my risk is is part of a plan is analyzing what your risk in the marketplace is and here's
00:20:01 where i see this going and quite frankly these are the potential outcomes because we don't have
00:20:07 enough disclosure of what those are because right now when we have these press conferences someone
00:20:12 gets up and says you know i'm about to make them stick uh you know adhere to the agreement and then
00:20:18 the next question on the reporter is can you uh disclose the agreement no no no okay great so now
00:20:23 you can't disclose the agreement the public trust has given you put faith in you to actually
00:20:29 administer this agreement that's been signed previous to you yeah yeah but you can't disclose
00:20:34 it and you can't tell us what your plan is if the agreements go bad other than to sit here and tell
00:20:40 me that 2 000 people are about to lose a job i just think it's an easy win for carney and mcginty
00:20:46 the defense minister angel lee to get a little face back stand there we have signed an agreement
00:20:52 we are going to purchase 1500 armored vehicles from stelantis or from stelantis rochelle now
00:20:58 in brampton rochelle it's already we've already bought them for ukraine and create jobs for
00:21:03 canadians that's an easy win isn't it but he's with a government that's great at pr
00:21:08 they weren't able to connect those dots exactly so very good at putting precedent conference and
00:21:14 and really uh you know great marketing slogans together in budgets and doing some great stuff
00:21:20 from a marketing perspective when he gets on the podium then you get behind the get behind the
00:21:25 curtain and getting them to connect the dots on three ministries hey before we go any further
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00:21:47 impossibility yeah it doesn't seem to be happening and that's you know let me ask you this look i 0.88
00:21:52 understand they have super sexy spies right but let's say china wants to get into the do they 0.87
00:21:58 apparently do the ever well you know uh but let's say that china does want to get into the market
00:22:04 in north america there's resistance to us allowing that to happen what if this is a crazy idea what
00:22:11 if canada became the uh the stripping down of all the spyware and anything that china put into it
00:22:17 as the distributor to the rest of the world of these cars maybe we don't need to be in the auto
00:22:21 industry anymore maybe we find another business to be in i don't know if i mean frankly i love
00:22:27 the concept i honestly don't know if you could adequately take all the spyware out of one of
00:22:31 their vehicles you may get 80 you're not getting all of it okay so that becomes our motto we got
00:22:36 you 80 spy free i mean we just have to take on by canadian yeah probably canadian but you know
00:22:43 it's interesting because the the prime minister is doing this road in in the middle of the budget
00:22:47 week when he's supposed to be going around and getting people to you know go through the budget
00:22:52 you know he's quickly gone to a press conference on atlantis he had remembrance day today yeah um
00:22:57 and then he's on a plane and then he's on a plane doing a world tour you know the philippines china
00:23:02 he's cambodia cambodia it's like five countries you know and they'll say he's going to get deals
00:23:08 and they already said you know the trade between jim and i talked about earlier the trade between
00:23:12 china has increased exponentially he stood on the podium and podium and he said china is a more
00:23:18 dependable and uh secure trading partner than the u.s so he's made all those statements going over
00:23:24 to see with china okay like that studio that's fine what is the plan for the auto industry so
00:23:32 you're getting on a plane right that's fine you're going to get deals i don't know what
00:23:36 deal you're going the simple question is there's an industry that employs thousands and thousands
00:23:41 of people that is here it's the backbone of the ontario economy you've put money into it
00:23:46 decade after decade when it's struggled when it's had challenges you've kept it afloat you you know
00:23:53 you right you've made it a backbone of the economy so what's the plan from here what's
00:23:59 the plan from here that's what's in your you know and none of us can see what that plan you know
00:24:03 what the plan is we don't have the facts the prime minister is in the far east in cambodia and china
00:24:08 in the philippines and melanie joely and others are being left to answer to reporters in canada
00:24:14 good point jim every time he drops a budget he hightails it out of here but seriously joely's
00:24:18 the one going to be stuck dealing with the aftermath right now but you're not going to
00:24:21 get over to china and they're not going to say to you hey we're going to take our production over
00:24:25 here and give it to you in canada why would china do that well china think about china so china you
00:24:31 know and this is they need jobs too i just had a dinner with a very interesting gentleman who came
00:24:35 back from china a really nice guy i've known him for years and he was telling me you know and i've
00:24:40 shared it with on the show china has got some real economic challenge their real estate market if you
00:24:45 think our real estate market is bad here their real estate market is horrendous like empty 0.54
00:24:52 apartment buildings right they've built 10 years ahead of themselves they've built the insert they
00:24:56 have the empty city scenario they they they're you know the people are trying to figure out what to
00:25:03 do they're you know they're going they're losing their properties it's a real mess so quite frankly
00:25:09 are they going to take a keystone industry and are they going to take it and ship it to another
00:25:13 country right now that doesn't make the effects that they're having some economic challenges
00:25:16 themselves put on top of that the fact that their relationship with iran and the us and everything
00:25:22 they're trying to figure out that i think we're we're very uh listen i love optimism but optimism
00:25:29 can go over the edge sometimes it seems canada has to touch its toes to stay in the auto industry
00:25:36 always why do we bother if so okay i mean if i'm a stelantis chrysler ford honda whatever
00:25:43 it's an easy mark we'll make promises to canada we get all this money we have out clauses they
00:25:49 don't even know how to write a contract and then things don't work out we go to illinois ohio uh
00:25:55 guangzhou china whatever and you still have all the money they're not getting that money back one
00:26:00 day they released a press release about doing this deal in canada that drove their stock price up
00:26:04 that probably still hasn't fallen and now they're going to get out of here scot-free
00:26:08 with the money with the money right but oh my god what a profit model there's their shareholders
00:26:14 are going to be thrilled but the you know right now we have x number of cars a year we sell to
00:26:20 canadians exactly so we all get that you know and the parts go back and forth across the border and
00:26:24 we've been through that whole scenario that's something that the u.s whether you know under
00:26:30 trump or not under trump has left you know and i did that show this morning it's it's you know
00:26:36 with with massive deficits in countries including ours quite frankly it's protectionism is something
00:26:43 that no matter what party is seated in the u.s quite frankly is probably here to stay for a long
00:26:48 period than we'd all 100 agree so with protectionism in the u.s taking the auto trade back
00:26:53 across the border it's something that we need a plan to wake up to and it's it's time it's not
00:26:58 it's not something we should say okay we know i hope at christmas we negotiated like the terrace
00:27:04 again no like at christmas he's still going to be sitting in the president's seat and for the next
00:27:10 two years so you better figure it out now because that plan if you're going to wait two years think
00:27:16 about it if you're going to wait two years for him to pass for him to be gone what they're about
00:27:21 about things can happen in two years do you think the remaining plants are all going to be there
00:27:26 they will not be i don't know i think you mentioned that's overly optimistic optimism
00:27:32 and you mentioned plan and think about this mike so say they get their you know all canadians are
00:27:36 so in love with the democratic party in the us and they have a democrat president and it's all great
00:27:41 and we have oh yeah trump is gone yeah no more mega we got a democrat president you just nailed
00:27:47 it they have obligations to their voters in michigan and ohio and then illinois they're not
00:27:53 going to strip jobs in there just to help us out why would they're going to have to deliver to the
00:27:57 borders cities and border states immediately economically going and keep their money flowing
00:28:05 now i know ohio went blue but quite frankly do you think the people of ohio are ever going
00:28:11 to want the auto pack to go back to what it is absolutely they got a three billion dollar plant
00:28:17 being built by the time that's a lot of jobs for those by the time they line their construction
00:28:21 pockets and they line their all their sub industries that feed those that are going to be
00:28:26 built adjacent industry they're what do you what are you talking about going back to the old industry
00:28:32 we got you know hey he wasn't a great president but he bought us he brought us a three billion
00:28:36 dollar plan we'll look with the stillances we might not vote him because we don't like the
00:28:40 war in our pasta oil and beer at the beer store but i need to work and feed my family this brampton
00:28:45 build fueled a lot of what we've experienced financially in our own lives absolutely over the
00:28:51 lot still just the build out of that put people in homes handled mortgages got contracts going
00:28:58 with companies that were brand new yeah yeah no it's a real good boon to build one of these
00:29:02 and no democratic president whoever it is is going to take it away and hand it back to
00:29:08 oakville rampton or like that's that there's no chance and the auto pack was created in the mid
00:29:13 60s you know peace and love and all that good stuff but that's 60 years ago and the world and
00:29:19 times have changed and as america pulls these they're like you said looking within they are
00:29:25 not going to give them up ohio ohio listen to me you need to look at the contract near the end
00:29:29 there's a couple of lines that are really important but it is you know the market for
00:29:34 canadian auto sales is where we're at and i know they don't want to hear that but that is the likely
00:29:41 outcome so quite frankly is the plan the plan that actually allows us as a as a nation to figure this
00:29:47 out and move forward proactively and that's but that is in there this is where we have to be a
00:29:53 little tougher on our politicians right and our government and say you have all the information
00:29:59 you got to come out and quite frankly sitting there on the podium before your boat coming back
00:30:05 and saying oh i went on it went away and i allowed them to bring another 50 000 cars in
00:30:10 so mark a solution mark harney has a pretty good youtube channel and he when he's doing like
00:30:15 talking about remembrance day and what happened in a wainwright and other things he's a very
00:30:20 effective communicator to that end communicate to the canadians look down the barrel of the camera
00:30:27 and tell us this is what's happened this is our plan this is what we're going to do short-term
00:30:32 midterm long term and i think canadians would appreciate that and deserve that well here we go
00:30:37 uh minister jolie come on in and sit with paul yeah well uncle mark is away in europe or china
00:30:43 or his next visit to wherever in the world come on in we won't tell anybody and let's let's hear the
00:30:48 plan yeah what is the plan how how are we gonna get through the next six months six years because
00:30:54 as you said paul two years is a long time in the world history right now with things moving so fast
00:31:00 into such a rapid pace nvidia going down trillions of dollars in a couple of days
00:31:05 who knows what could happen to the auto industry between now and 2028 i know what we call the
00:31:10 episode the road map for the auto industry with minister joe lee come on in come on we'd love to
00:31:18 I'd like to hear it.
00:31:19 Yep.