True Patriot Love - Surrey’s Extortion Crisis： Who’s Really Behind It？

00:00:00.000 thanks for joining us my notes on today's show local businesses are being targeted in bc but

00:00:10.700 the evidence points to something bigger international crime networks cross-border

00:00:16.020 money and drugs weapons and corruption and the people that are allowing them to operate

00:00:23.140 are kind of the focus of today's show suri has an extortion problem and to talk to me more about it

00:00:29.660 paul micucci thanks so much paul hey mike well this is one of those rabbit holes uh people maybe

00:00:35.820 don't understand we have conversations before shows and this one just seemed to grow and grow 0.99

00:00:40.920 and grow uh recently i was in surrey there is no doubt there is a massive uh indian punjabi

00:00:48.380 population there it is uh at least on par with what ontario would compare maybe brampton to

00:00:54.700 for that population density.

00:00:58.360 Yes.

00:00:58.720 And now this has become a real problem.

00:01:02.560 142 reported extortions in Surrey

00:01:05.120 between January 1st and September 28th, 2026,

00:01:08.500 just half a year.

00:01:10.040 Yeah, which is basically almost what they did last year.

00:01:14.800 Yeah, so they're probably going to double it

00:01:16.960 if they don't get this.

00:01:18.120 Right.

00:01:18.760 Yeah, it keeps growing.

00:01:19.680 And the one that caught our eye, Mike,

00:01:21.120 was the one out of Langley.

00:01:22.920 So, you know, Surrey and then down the road, a few kilometers is Langley, B.C. 0.86

00:01:28.420 And basically they had five, let's say, non-Canadians, you know.

00:01:35.040 International.

00:01:36.100 What were they called?

00:01:38.440 Foreign nationals. 0.99

00:01:39.520 Thank you, Nick.

00:01:40.120 I never liked to call them foreign nationals, but because that makes no sense to me.

00:01:44.340 It almost gives them an elevated feel.

00:01:46.500 It's kind of nebulous as well.

00:01:48.060 Where are they from?

00:01:48.640 yeah so they were actually uh caught with drugs guns uh one of them was trying to flee through

00:01:56.320 toronto airport they caught him the other four uh they caught now what they do with them that's

00:02:02.000 another thing you know this is the mystery that goes into the ether you know what happens to them

00:02:06.580 next do they get extradited back to india where do they go you know we'll see they still have to be

00:02:15.980 go to court they have to be charged or convicted so that's still up in the air mike but that's the

00:02:25.520 one that caught our eye because quite frank this is just another case and now with the election

00:02:30.360 happening so now we have you know we've talked about on previous shows we have the municipal

00:02:34.780 election we have the provincial election it premier eb called the snap election so now you

00:02:41.920 have all these things happening and on top of that you have this extortion issue that just keeps

00:02:46.840 growing and growing and growing so you know it came up we looked at the the langley incident and

00:02:53.120 then of course surrey pops on the radar because right now uh surrey's crime severity index is

00:03:02.320 for the year ending 2025 at 89.2 so it's it's ranked the you know the highest crime incident

00:03:12.820 uh city in canada so it throws up as it's right it's so weird that from a safety perspective the

00:03:21.520 most unsafe city in can it's so weird that that's surrey bc paul never in my life did i anticipate

00:03:29.140 surrey bc i mean there's some good reasons but when you take a look at the actual the victims

00:03:35.180 in this these uh crimes 39 of 76 of them have been hit more than once a very quick favor before

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00:04:11.040 you now back to the show yes that's really really bad when the same people are getting extorted over

00:04:19.920 and over again um it's it's really wild just to kind of review just so people understand

00:04:26.880 the bigger picture here obviously is international crime yes tell me why you think that is okay so

00:04:37.200 let's i'm gonna break it down in my mind to being yeah i i'd like to call myself fairly analytical

00:04:44.540 you know i yeah paul i'd say that's a safe description so when i when i see a problem i

00:04:50.240 try to break down it from a numbers perspective so i come at it from a different way so as soon

00:04:56.020 as i got this or started to get ready for this show i said okay let me learn about surrey so i

00:05:02.060 went into the stats on surrey bc and i said okay who lives in surrey and so then i started looking

00:05:08.320 and i saw okay south asian you know it actually increased substantially since 2009 so they had a

00:05:15.120 lot of immigration so okay i get it um you know who are the businesses that are there okay so

00:05:22.720 home-based businesses make up 12 000. there's roughly 24 000 businesses in surrey bc right

00:05:30.720 half of them are home-based and half of them are not home-based they're commercial industrial okay

00:05:37.200 so like okay well that's kind of a lot home-based business that's a lot that's a really high number

00:05:42.720 of home-based businesses actually it is a lot it's a very big number so then i started to break it

00:05:47.600 down i said okay what do they do what do they make because then you know so many people at

00:05:52.640 home so many people that are working in industries well then i found out they don't make much

00:05:59.360 so they don't manufacture well i'm trying to think what i saw in surrey which was mainly

00:06:04.000 what you see uh just north of toronto here which is logistics right uh transportation which actually

00:06:11.760 makes up five percent of of their businesses i can see it that's visible that's that's visible

00:06:17.600 five percent is manufacturing nine percent is health care 21 is construction

00:06:25.280 so they're building for the people that live there okay so as they get more people immigrate

00:06:29.840 as you're seeing. So you saw the population

00:06:32.420 move from 2009 to

00:06:34.320 now. You've seen a lot of people

00:06:36.180 immigrate. That's true. You've seen the demographic 0.97

00:06:38.320 change. Citizenship

00:06:40.560 completed citizenships are

00:06:42.380 up in the West Coast

00:06:44.280 overall. Yes.

00:06:46.300 So people are settling and buying

00:06:48.340 homes. Makes sense. Buying homes, living

00:06:50.300 in apartments, trying to find a place to live.

00:06:52.800 Retail makes up 10%

00:06:54.160 to your point on top of transportation

00:06:56.800 wholesale and distribution

00:06:58.120 another five roughly ten percent and then you know other professional services i'll make up the rest

00:07:05.720 education and health as i mentioned education health being nine percent that's a pretty high

00:07:12.100 percentage that must mean that the clinics are being built there the private uh uh assessment

00:07:18.380 clinics well bc has another a different model they regionalize their health care right um so they've

00:07:25.680 actually set up here and when i took a look at surrey they actually have 4 000 employees for

00:07:32.880 the fraser health system which is the largest employer okay so for for a city that doesn't

00:07:40.220 produce very much they have a lot of health care so that it's almost like the province is focusing

00:07:45.440 health care on that that area because the number of people second largest city in bc so quite

00:07:51.820 frankly a lot of population so we're going to head up one of the the health networks inside there

00:07:57.540 for fraser the second biggest employer was education so that's the 30 the 12 000 people

00:08:06.620 that work in the school district 36 which is surrey's okay um public service which is government

00:08:15.220 jobs and then finance and then you have what i said manufacturing and transportation

00:08:21.440 come after that okay so so now you're like okay so it's a city that you know roughly 700,000

00:08:28.800 people growing it's building it's expanding its living conditions doesn't produce a lot

00:08:34.640 so it's not a highly productive population with respect to manufacturing right so much

00:08:42.060 different than you'd see in like a Brampton for example where there is manufacturing where there

00:08:46.440 is uh you know certain large plants that are still operating um and and employing a lot of

00:08:53.000 people in those neighborhoods right so now you're okay so now i'm looking at it and i think to

00:08:57.060 myself mike well where is it roughly you know in the province how does it sit and then so i took a

00:09:03.520 look so it's 13 minute drive i i wazed it this morning it's 13 minute drive to the peace arch

00:09:11.600 border crossing which really if you take a look at this border crossing it's worth actually just

00:09:18.140 having a look because you you if you compare that to the peace bridge or uh any any of the

00:09:24.220 bridges frankly the gordie howe bridge even which are major uh operations this looks almost like the

00:09:32.060 entrance to a provincial park to be honest with you not the largest operation no no it's two lane

00:09:38.700 very, you know, I don't know how many bays to go through,

00:09:42.660 but very tiny with respect to passage.

00:09:45.280 I only point that out because that means that resources at those borders,

00:09:49.980 and frankly, there's been a couple of major CSBA issues there

00:09:55.400 with staff just flagging trucks through.

00:09:58.720 Somebody got 15 years.

00:10:00.720 There was 240 kilos of coke made it through that border pretty easily.

00:10:04.760 makes you wonder based on positioning international crime has a pretty easy access to that border

00:10:12.360 right of course and then you look at what's on the other side of the border so now this is

00:10:17.920 interesting so 13 minutes to the border right you don't really you're trying to figure out okay why

00:10:23.560 did and there's always reasons why people immigrate places you know it could have been just quite

00:10:27.900 frankly there could have been 50 people years ago enter to suri bc from india and quite frankly

00:10:35.380 called their cousins and then there were 200 then there were 200 then the 200 but then you're like

00:10:40.480 okay you don't produce much they're not a lot of going on there there's a lot of health care a lot

00:10:45.780 of government jobs there's a lot of that going on so you think okay what's going on that's causing

00:10:51.280 okay well then you look go to the border and you mentioned you go across and you go to washington

00:10:57.460 state of course so you come into washington right washington states had a lot of challenges with

00:11:03.500 respect to crime whether it be car theft whether it be drug abuse and you know i went and i actually

00:11:10.120 took a look uh the guys from wallet hub did a great article on this they took a look at u.s

00:11:15.440 states that have the highest drug use and they rank them by drug use okay so and then when you

00:11:23.380 so when you so as you approach that that border and you go to western the united states and follow

00:11:31.780 it the drug use is infinitely higher than the east coast so the east to west coast

00:11:37.620 a lot of the you know one to 50 uh as far as uh states go that they've ranked um you're seeing

00:11:47.360 you know well 51 you're seeing uh the lower ones on the western united states so

00:11:55.120 you know for example washington state is 16 oregon is 18 california is 31 nevada is four

00:12:04.120 i was shocked that nevada is four but it makes sense it's the desert you know if you want to

00:12:08.560 transport drugs through nevada it's probably fairly easy probably easy to do yeah colorado

00:12:13.040 seven new mexico's number one mike and you know montana's number 13 wyoming's number 11 i mentioned

00:12:20.120 colorado's number seven of course utah is 51 because they're not no they're mormons and quite

00:12:27.720 frankly they're they're not just not part of that culture in fact they're anti-culture so sitting 0.50

00:12:31.940 right in the middle of this enclave of high drug use states is utah so so so let me see if i got

00:12:40.700 this right if i looked at the map and i went over the border at the peace arts bridge and made my

00:12:46.800 way directly south i started hitting some of the highest drug use states in the union yeah which

00:12:53.860 leading into new mexico which is number one and i've done projects in new mexico beautiful place

00:12:59.500 new mexico the architecture albuquerque has some of the nicest architecture and museums in the

00:13:04.820 country. But it is wrapped with trafficking, whether it be human drugs, it has a gun-toting

00:13:12.200 culture. So does Colorado. So, you know, that part of the, that neck of America is wrapped with

00:13:20.340 drug trafficking, human trafficking, extortion, all those things really survive and flourish in

00:13:27.440 that community on the West Coast of the United States. When you talk about the proximity of

00:13:31.660 this border about 20 minutes away 30 minutes in traffic yep from that to the port area is also a

00:13:39.620 very short jaunt yes so that border feels leaky to me to say the very least now on the other side

00:13:49.680 of that border is where I feel like it's all being worked out from a criminal organized criminal

00:13:55.380 standpoint okay everything comes over the border this way or it comes in through the port and it's

00:14:00.980 exchanged one way or the other there has to be some sort of control mechanism on the crime side

00:14:07.020 of things that is causing this extortion that's my opinion because if if this is the hub where

00:14:15.880 it's happening there's going to be battles for control battles for control get violent in the

00:14:21.540 crime world sure sure well and part of that is you know your your battles you're talking about mike is

00:14:27.700 as people are coming in this case these you know just down the road in Langley at these five

00:14:33.720 foreign nationals they come in they say they come in on a work visa or a visitor visa and they

00:14:40.000 decide to stay and quite frankly they're trying to make their way so they have to find uh something 0.99

00:14:47.180 to do or something some crime to commit so quite frankly extortion becomes their choice or their

00:14:53.700 you know their crime of choice it could be drug trafficking it could be gun trafficking all those

00:14:59.560 things so it starts to get split up to create economies these are all economies if you remember

00:15:03.900 and we've talked about this in the past the old mob days when you know we had mobs and remember

00:15:09.260 nevada we're talking about nevada being number four for drug use in america you know nevada was

00:15:15.420 i remember moving there in my 20s and it was just getting cleaned up by corporations but it still

00:15:21.500 would have stories of people getting buried in the desert on the weekends and you know holes

00:15:28.980 that have been dug in advance and that still was taking place when I was a young man and I moved

00:15:34.440 there to work way back when so you know that that culture and that transportation and logistics and

00:15:43.060 movement of trucks and everything was going up and down you know the well the desert was key to them

00:15:47.980 Yeah, you're right. The desert was key to the mafia moving alcohol and drugs, transporting even cash in and out of Vegas in the early days.

00:16:01.140 It was built for that. It was like an open field, tough to maintain, tough to police.

00:16:06.180 Yeah. Well, the mountain ranges protected it, quite frankly, so they could see anyone coming in and they could protect their flank.

00:16:12.780 uh the mob had actually created uh you know went in and created nevada the everyone knows the bugsy

00:16:19.620 seagull stories and oh yeah how you know the flamingo and all the old properties that flourished

00:16:25.840 under the mob rule uh so we're all familiar with that so you know as as mobs are created

00:16:33.040 they create territories territories are based on logistics so whether they're for protection or

00:16:38.640 whether they're for geolocation or whether you know that's the reason they're placed where

00:16:44.320 they're placed it's funny when i looked at this right away i'm thinking okay where would i

00:16:49.020 perfectly position myself if i was looking to do something and i'm boom it's almost right on the

00:16:55.300 map so you look at you're looking at it you're thinking this is a good location if whoever

00:16:59.920 thought about actually placing it here it's not right on the border it's further enough away from

00:17:03.880 the border it has all the transit uh transportation highways and arms to get to and get out of

00:17:09.740 and quite frankly you know it's close enough to the major city which is vancouver that you can

00:17:15.760 get in and out of the other thing is mobilizing to uh catch up with the criminal element needs

00:17:22.020 more than 13 minutes between departure and uh reaching the border yes that's all there is to it

00:17:28.500 I mean, you need hours of calculating, making a bust, making a sting,

00:17:33.260 catching up with the criminal element that's on the move.

00:17:36.340 The bigger picture in International Crime Network, Paul, let's look at this.

00:17:40.760 Here's how it begins.

00:17:41.780 Organized crime groups based abroad, including India, direct activity in Canada.

00:17:47.140 So it's being directed from someplace else.

00:17:50.300 That's the key thing.

00:17:51.900 The lords of these crimes are not here in most likelihood.

00:17:56.640 Funded, yeah, funded or directed.

00:17:58.700 Right.

00:17:59.080 That's correct, usually the way.

00:18:01.200 People and resources.

00:18:02.320 Associates travel to Canada.

00:18:03.720 Networks move drugs, firearms, and money through international routes,

00:18:07.640 the port and the borders over land. 0.58

00:18:11.880 Canadian enablers.

00:18:13.040 Use of legitimate businesses, this is important,

00:18:15.840 corrupt intermediaries and finance channels to launder money

00:18:20.020 and coordinate extortion.

00:18:22.920 Well, the composition of businesses that we just spoke to, yes.

00:18:28.560 Violent enforcement demands shootings and arson target businesses that don't pay.

00:18:34.540 That's old school mob territory.

00:18:37.160 And profits are sent abroad.

00:18:38.500 Money is laundered through international networks

00:18:40.840 and just sent back overseas fueling more crime

00:18:44.780 and allowing it to grow at a really fast pace,

00:18:48.360 which is really suits the bill for what we're seeing Langley and Surrey.

00:18:53.660 Well, it seems like it.

00:18:54.580 And, you know, Mike, so then I delved in.

00:18:56.600 So now understand, you know, the population, understand the business permits,

00:19:02.680 where the location is, the geography.

00:19:05.980 Then I started thinking to myself, okay, how is the political system built?

00:19:11.900 So what's the municipal system look like?

00:19:14.020 So then jumped into that and said, OK, let's take a look at the mayor and council.

00:19:19.840 And I'm going to just probably hit on, you know, the election because the elections coming up, we've talked about it.

00:19:25.960 B.C. being kind of overrun with elections from the 17th to the 24th, municipally and provincially.

00:19:33.320 Which is a shame because obviously these are really important elections right now.

00:19:39.100 It is. It is a really big shame because, you know, the premier doesn't seem to be addressing this issue. But so the mayor, so the mayor, the mayor of the city of Surrey is Brenda Locke. So she's the, and her council. And so, you know, she's got a few people running against her.

00:19:56.040 so i actually uh went in and said okay if i'm living in surrey and i'm an uh you know above

00:20:04.760 board honest citizen and i want things cleared up what am i asking the mayor and you know this was

00:20:10.680 a vancouver sun story i thought it was really well done they asked each of the candidates for mayor

00:20:18.200 what their stance was on housing development public safety community facilities transportation

00:20:23.400 and taxes so i'm not going to go through all them because quite frankly some of them are kind of

00:20:27.880 goofy and uh you know a lot of times when mayors you know go ahead sorry no i was just gonna say

00:20:36.280 you know there's a lot mayors when you're running for mayor you make a lot of grandiose yeah uh

00:20:42.680 platforms but brenda locks is an expensive platform it is well yeah let's well let's dig

00:20:48.680 into her platform for a minute and then we'll start with public safety so the big thing with

00:20:54.840 her and public safety is suri connect so it's they she wants to continue uh investing in facilities

00:21:02.760 equipment programs that keep the community safe including a 350 million modern public safety

00:21:09.240 campus i looked into what that would be yeah i don't even know what that is so 350 million dollars

00:21:14.280 I don't know if you've noticed, in Peel, in Vaughan,

00:21:18.000 I'm using Ontario references, Halifax transfer yard,

00:21:22.720 there are yards and buildings now that are dedicated to the public service,

00:21:29.220 which are ambulance, fire, police, and associated policing services.

00:21:37.540 So she's looking at investing $350 million into that modern public safety

00:21:43.800 campus of which only a portion of it and training a portion of it is policing and no indication of

00:21:51.160 how that would really focus on their localized crime so to me if i may uh mayor locke it feels

00:22:00.360 like you've thrown a huge number at trying to solve a problem that really doesn't identify

00:22:06.280 how the problem gets solved with that spend maybe it's time for them to update the fire departments

00:22:13.160 that's one thing she's promised but this local hub for public safety doesn't feel like a policing

00:22:19.960 effort it just feels like a municipal building project right which is which attaches to this

00:22:27.080 surrey connect program that she's she's so you know and this is a mayor who quite frankly you

00:22:32.760 know was asking for a state of emergency with her council not so long ago right really really like

00:22:40.280 months ago over the extortion issue so you know she's also asking for a 625 million in infrastructure

00:22:47.960 to ensure community facilities to keep pace by expanding sports recreational and arts centers

00:22:53.460 and continuing to build shared spaces that bring people together oh so and then a transportation

00:23:03.880 and SkyTrain.

00:23:06.920 They're already into that for 300 mil, aren't they?

00:23:10.080 358 million invested.

00:23:11.620 Yeah.

00:23:12.180 Yeah.

00:23:13.400 So.

00:23:14.220 Okay, so.

00:23:15.420 So, you know, the capital spend here is,

00:23:18.260 on her plan, is very large, right?

00:23:20.360 Like, she's.

00:23:21.140 Very large and really not addressing

00:23:23.640 her state of emergency issues.

00:23:25.820 Yeah.

00:23:26.540 A portion of it, and then a portion of that

00:23:29.660 is really what we're talking about being added.

00:23:33.120 But really, she's more interested in infrastructure, housing development, building municipal properties, and making sports and arts more accessible, which are admirable.

00:23:48.380 But I should point out, weeks ago, she was asking her council to declare a state of emergency.

00:23:57.640 Yeah.

00:23:58.760 Hello?

00:23:59.360 I kind of feel like maybe it got missed.

00:24:01.120 Yeah, I know.

00:24:02.040 like the number one thing yeah a mayor should be saying is there is there a number two thing

00:24:07.480 no i don't even know i don't think there should be we just maybe work on that and work out from

00:24:11.720 there now i'm not trying to be critical of a campaign but it's it's kind of devoid to be

00:24:17.320 honest with you of the real issue here well i think i think business development and quite

00:24:22.280 frankly safety could be the one too and then you could work out the other because quite if you're

00:24:27.240 trying to make a more productive community of people working outside of government and outside

00:24:32.600 of crime outside of crime then you should probably find opportunities for people to delve into 0.97

00:24:37.960 now linda anis uh she's actually also one of the candidates that's put her name in the hat

00:24:45.240 um now this was interesting i thought that her comment she says the transition is in year eight

00:24:51.560 surrey residents deserve better i want to finish transition and stop the city hall fighting

00:24:57.160 with our local police so she wants 300 new officers a training center

00:25:04.360 and police to be fully funded which is interesting but the interesting part of that is in 2021 suri

00:25:12.360 brought the rcmp in right along with their local police now their local police chief has quit in

00:25:19.880 june so now they've brought another police chief in because he didn't want you know he just had

00:25:26.280 enough and he walked out and they're still trying to transition this is like an eight-year transition

00:25:31.960 plan from the rcmp to the local police right and how they all get along okay okay that doesn't seem

00:25:39.800 eight years is it's a good idea eight years is a long time well you're seeing the the ramifications

00:25:46.200 or the effects of that now mike like you know all this is happening because no one knows with the

00:25:52.360 The left hand's talking to the right.

00:25:53.660 It does feel like he's getting along with who,

00:25:55.620 whose jurisdiction is where.

00:25:57.580 Oh, you know what we need?

00:25:59.180 We need Suri Connect to bring us all together.

00:26:01.820 Yeah.

00:26:03.200 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:26:05.060 At least topically addressing the real issue,

00:26:09.120 to be honest with you.

00:26:10.440 That's a big difference from what we're hearing the mayor do,

00:26:13.220 painting the streets with lollipops, to be honest with you.

00:26:17.700 Well, it gets better.

00:26:18.720 So Doug McCallum, another person running,

00:26:21.380 put his name in the hat for mayor he talks about the fact that he's built the surrey police service

00:26:27.300 and he's saying that the of course he talks about the police chief being uh fired the police chief

00:26:34.780 during the extortion crisis um he wants to fund the police properly he wants uh more officers on

00:26:44.300 the street a police helicopter a drone fleet within 90 days a zero tolerance on extortion

00:26:50.540 and a police board free of political interference.

00:26:54.320 Well, he's not going to get the last one,

00:26:55.860 but I do think he could achieve everything up to that.

00:26:59.180 The interference, I'm sorry, Doug,

00:27:00.460 you're going to get that no matter what.

00:27:03.580 The other thing that, you know,

00:27:04.920 to your point about getting people working,

00:27:07.620 he's talking about doing 60-day passing of permits

00:27:10.780 in 60 days to get projects moving,

00:27:13.260 which I think is in line with what you're saying.

00:27:15.860 Okay, well, then let's get people working.

00:27:17.580 Well, yeah, that'll be a way to get people off the street and, quite frankly, be happier and not have to get involved in these schemes.

00:27:25.320 Check this out.

00:27:25.980 This son of a gun took my idea.

00:27:27.680 Who's that?

00:27:28.460 Doug McCallum.

00:27:29.560 Doug, I like the cut of your jib.

00:27:32.040 I don't know what that means.

00:27:34.260 His whole thing is 0% property tax increase for four years and recreation fees frozen. 1.00

00:27:43.100 Brenda Locke raised property taxes nearly 30% in four years 1.00

00:27:47.200 while wasting $150 million fighting the province. 1.00

00:27:51.600 Sounds like another mayor I know.

00:27:55.060 Kind of does now that you mention it.

00:27:57.180 It does.

00:27:58.860 So it's interesting that he wants to do this

00:28:03.020 because that to me says come to the community.

00:28:06.820 This feels like a safer Surrey already

00:28:09.840 with incentive for me to stay there.

00:28:12.360 okay if i stay here and try to get through this in the community because what he's pointing out

00:28:17.280 by saying that is people are going to leave this community businesses are going to leave the most

00:28:22.760 violent city in in the country of course they will legitimate businesses will not stay around

00:28:28.180 they'll they'll relocate to other cities they'll move to other provinces people you know it's it's

00:28:33.560 like taxation you know the the one that kills me america talks about like let's tax our rich

00:28:38.900 okay go ahead they're just going to leave yeah right they're going to take their businesses

00:28:44.520 they're going to pick up and go you're going to be left with your public sector good for you and

00:28:49.400 and they're not employed anymore and so and what this community needs less of is public sector

00:28:55.860 i think that that based on the health oh yeah they need less right education the numbers that

00:29:01.160 you presented earlier yeah have very little people employed in the private sector they need more

00:29:06.320 production yeah yes um hanveer singh i'm hopefully if i say it wrong but uh

00:29:14.960 he wants to hire 600 police officers and create training centers so which is which is all admirable

00:29:21.520 again it's trying to figure out ways to actually come up with the money to hunt and getting 600

00:29:29.520 police officers and who wants to do that in this community so that again it's more public service

00:29:34.880 right talk is it going to fix things quite frankly it's going to have to be a hell of an

00:29:40.140 offer for these police officers yeah they're going to be that have to be some of the highest

00:29:43.820 paid and uh rewarded police in the country to step up in that community right now

00:29:50.680 could be really dangerous for some people especially if you're part of the community

00:29:56.740 that is extorting one another yeah they're having a really hard time you know you see it on the

00:30:00.920 streets throughout Canada and the higher the job fairs that I know we attend Mike whether it be

00:30:07.840 police fire military you're seeing them struggle at the job fairs now yeah there was a there was

00:30:16.200 a little bit of a pickup on the the army kind of navy crew that was actually coming to the job

00:30:22.700 fairs people were mauling around I think they've kind of run through that group now now it's pretty

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00:30:43.340 paywall all right back to the show and so and police i can imagine i'm sure police you don't

00:30:49.200 see many people when you go to even you i was at a public event for a politician recently they had

00:30:56.060 the local fire and the local police there there was no one over by the fire guys and almost zero

00:31:01.940 people at the police booth so as as all the kids were mulling around the universe when i say kids

00:31:07.760 university and a little older there weren't many people over there asking any questions we were at

00:31:12.880 a job fair in calgary inadvertently uh during the conservative convention i remember and the

00:31:18.800 military the canadian armed forces was there alongside the local calgary police and you know

00:31:25.600 you would have thought there would be a great lineup of people that want

00:31:29.020 trained get paid to be trained get an education no no there was very little

00:31:35.980 uptake and and the police recruitment said that they had done an early morning

00:31:40.340 seminar where nobody nobody showed up yeah that's so depressing yeah hey just

00:31:44.960 a couple more mike starchuk uh public safety imagine surrey oh yeah will fund

00:31:50.580 a police-led anti-extortion command with intelligent officers targeting the

00:31:55.100 gangs money and ringleaders will finish transition on a published date hire the officers and buy

00:32:02.460 equipment so a little bit of the same we heard before um they keep coming back to the fact that

00:32:07.840 this transition is ongoing this long police handoff year handoff that doesn't seem to get

00:32:14.780 through that seems to be infuriating a lot of people well what happened was i think that they

00:32:19.600 They set up 40 task force members, but they all came from the RCMP.

00:32:25.620 Now, I could be wrong about that.

00:32:26.780 Please correct me in the comments if I'm wrong.

00:32:29.880 So to detach that task force from the police force means that the task force is going to go away for a period of time.

00:32:36.280 So I would imagine they need to do something that connects that to the police force directly if the RCMP detaches from this policing arrangement.

00:32:49.600 and so i think that that could be part of this transition that is difficult to do

00:32:54.880 yeah i definitely think it is and you know it's on every one of these candidates mind so so now

00:33:00.800 mike can i throw something at you so they've asked for a state of emergence so think about this that

00:33:06.080 we've kind of went through the the profile of this city we've talked about kind of who the council is

00:33:12.160 this is they've asked for a state of emergency i think the public has to ask themselves what have

00:33:18.640 they done because quite frankly if they could have sped up the transition timeline if they

00:33:23.760 could have sped up aren't these things that they had in their control as a council to move forward

00:33:28.240 and try to get done it's a little tough to see them making a campaign platform out of things

00:33:32.960 they could be doing as a council already yeah and why didn't they do it and if they can't do it then

00:33:37.440 there must be a reason now people who are new and actually putting new ideas on the table but i don't

00:33:42.240 see a lot of ideas i saw you know the one idea that the one gentleman had about you know creating

00:33:48.000 drones and cameras and all that good stuff it's all good you know got it i think it makes sense

00:33:53.840 and probably help the community a little bit of cultural training too i think would be helpful

00:33:58.960 right i think going in and starting to talk to the community and try to rebuild some uh you know

00:34:06.360 try to uh mend some fences you came here for safety you came here for potential in life you

00:34:13.840 didn't come here to be surrounded by crime and extortion. You know, when you get on Reddit and

00:34:19.140 you read the comments about Surrey VC, there's a lot of conversation about the culture and the

00:34:24.160 machismo and the violence and parents being upset about how their children turned out and the fate

00:34:31.800 of second and third generations. Here's what it's interesting. You know, we started with the mob

00:34:38.200 story because the mob story is primarily in uh it's a italian and jewish uh you know when we

00:34:44.840 talk about the people that were involved in those days um but you know as they kind of uh advanced

00:34:51.480 let's talk about or developed they left the business yeah the next the second third generation

00:34:59.880 is often far removed from organized crime right so they they kind of progressed out of it they

00:35:06.040 bought businesses they they got professions they they went on and they did other things

00:35:11.400 now it's now having the conversation with these people and saying to them okay

00:35:15.640 you know your kids you know who unfortunately uh you know spent uh all their time playing gta

00:35:23.720 um and quite frankly thought it was real yeah you have to kind of uh try to get them back into the

00:35:31.400 work you know work processes and productive and then you know give them a little bit of just have

00:35:39.560 a discussion with them about values the fact that material items quite frankly are great but they're

00:35:45.240 not all that it's cracked up to be you know you have a family these are people that came from a

00:35:50.760 country that has strong family values yeah right in india it has you know families in its community

00:35:58.120 and it's you know i looked at um there was a and i can't i apologize but i'm going to be wrong when

00:36:04.760 i say it so i'm not going to mention it but there is a uh festival this weekend and it's it's uh

00:36:11.480 i'm going to say the word wrong so everyone uh dances in a circle okay and it's the most beautiful

00:36:17.320 thing you've ever seen because everyone dresses up in beautiful clothing and dances in a circle

00:36:22.520 and it's gorgeous to watch like so there's a country that knows beautiful things and community

00:36:27.400 and festivals so now to actually see it evolve into this it's sad it's sad and quite frankly

00:36:34.840 it's going back and you know rather than spending 300 350 million dollars to build a center why not

00:36:41.400 create hubs where you can bring people in and talk to them about values and culture and you

00:36:47.080 know get families reunited talk about material you know the the downfalls to just being focused

00:36:53.640 on materialism make sure you have a violence conversation violence within families you know

00:37:00.520 hitting children hitting you know spouses all that stuff like those are the things that i think need

00:37:06.200 to be that was a show i think that was the most shocking part of this uh research is the police

00:37:13.560 element on reddit talking about their experience yeah in the community very openly where they

00:37:19.320 they normally could not and it was these things uh you know domestic violence the the inability

00:37:26.280 for kids to get past their parents expectations any other way you know um yeah i it's i don't

00:37:35.200 disagree paul from a standpoint of actually building a society where we have an extortion

00:37:41.000 culture we have to actually hit it at the cultural end i do believe and i think that's tough canadians

00:37:47.100 don't like to say that about ourselves that we would say okay this is a parsed community that

00:37:52.220 is having a struggle and we have to have an impact on that as canadians or we're going to lose

00:37:58.980 control of it right and i think at the same time as you're cleaning up that border access point so

00:38:04.760 as you're going down 99 and you're actually heading into the states and you're cleaning up

00:38:09.340 that route of transportation and making sure those goods are not transporting up and down that

00:38:14.740 corridor you're cleaning all that up you're cleaning up the the transportation of items

00:38:19.680 you got to go into that community and try to figure it out but at the same time as we saw

00:38:24.260 from a couple of the the people who are running for mayor you need to create business like real

00:38:29.960 business real real business not financing business not i've said this before to you a couple times

00:38:37.760 building homes is fine i love building homes quite frankly if i could build homes all day

00:38:42.200 i know you would but you can't have your number one uh business or your number one business in

00:38:48.920 a community cannot be residential home building because that's it's it is a business per se but

00:38:56.040 it's not meant to be traded like a business right people are meant to buy a home keep it for their

00:39:01.000 full life then sell it and do something else for a living that can't be your means of income

00:39:05.880 yeah that that shouldn't be that shouldn't be 21 of your economy is home building if you look at

00:39:11.640 finance in this case uh finance other services make up almost 50 of this community's

00:39:19.640 economy and the government makes a large portion of the other 50 so quite frankly

00:39:24.840 but that doesn't build anything but don't forget a lot of these businesses that doesn't transfer

00:39:28.360 anything not a lot but many of these businesses are being used as legitimate fronts just on the

00:39:33.480 the other side of these borders to launder and distribute right well that's that work from home

00:39:38.280 uh no employees you know as i mentioned to you you know there's crazy stats on the number of i think

00:39:44.040 it's uh 69 and i might get this i'll i'll look it up but 69 of the business don't have an employees

00:39:53.320 only you know 21 have employees and i'll try to find it for you mike see that that that to me

00:40:00.760 sounds even just the notion of a higher number than like 20 30 percent of businesses without

00:40:08.980 employees sounds not useful to the economy 69 percent of businesses with permits this is in

00:40:16.960 Langley Langley have uh are without employees 31 percent have employees and quite frankly when you

00:40:26.920 look at it, 2,000, almost 3,000 of the businesses, it's almost, yeah, the business, 3,000 of the

00:40:38.900 businesses that have a permit don't have employees, and almost 1,000, only 1,000, have employees.

00:40:48.380 So, what are those other businesses doing?

00:40:52.620 are they well they're doing financial sector they're doing insurance they're doing you know

00:40:57.460 they're doing real estate from their home they might be you know they're to your point they're

00:41:02.480 probably doing some untoward things they're doing a bunch of stuff but those aren't things that are

00:41:06.660 producing anything they're not producing goods they're not growing they're not sending anybody

00:41:10.800 home with a paycheck they're not they're not affecting the tax base aside from their own

00:41:15.360 income yeah which is being diverted often by these businesses your whole your whole economy

00:41:21.300 cannot be based on sleeping in something and i always tell people that you know it has to

00:41:27.500 it has to be based on producing things this uh october 24th is the bc election uh there is one

00:41:36.380 provincial party that is proposing uh an extortion um task force good for them actually it's more of

00:41:45.200 plan yeah um eb not really addressing it too closely and then suri their municipal vote october

00:41:52.720 17th uh you know it's wild to me because this is a quote from the uh suri and white rock board of

00:42:02.560 trade i've actually had contact with them and they're very they're very uh interesting vibrant

00:42:10.000 group, but they're even beat down by this. Many feel unsupported and are unsure where to turn

00:42:16.540 when it comes to these extortions. It feels like it could exit its own culture and community quickly

00:42:23.040 into other cultures and communities right here at home. We face a crisis caused by criminals

00:42:28.100 demanding money from businesses and shooting up homes, Premier David Eby said on the 4th of

00:42:34.180 February, however, not really leading the charge in his campaign with safety in Surrey. And then

00:42:40.180 this one, I want to sincerely thank the victims for the courage in coming forward. That's Harm

00:42:45.380 Dosange, the Langley RCMP superintendent that headed up the task force, who said that it made

00:42:53.140 a big difference knowing that the community was getting tired of it and reporting on itself.

00:42:59.080 Now, do they have enough police to react, to handle these cases, to chase it down?

00:43:04.560 No, they do not.

00:43:05.720 And as you point out, it's a combined police force that doesn't really know whose job is whose.

00:43:11.780 They haven't transitioned.

00:43:13.040 So here they are, untransitioned, going into an election. 0.98

00:43:17.120 Who do you vote for now?

00:43:18.560 That's the thing.

00:43:19.620 And that's where I think the voters need to put the pressure on these people running to say to them,

00:43:24.540 I need a more fulsome plan to see how you're getting me out of this.

00:43:27.340 and that's hopefully what we're going to see in the next few days because it's coming close mike

00:43:32.820 and i think the more pressure the citizens put on to say okay what is the plan and what are the

00:43:39.540 milestones when is this going to end when are you going to stop it now because right you know i have

00:43:44.460 kids you can imagine imagine the single mom or the you know family of four that has kids under 10

00:43:52.900 that are trying to move through this just working day to day to get through this in the middle of

00:43:57.140 this you know it's interesting it can't be great for them and they're the they're the voices that

00:44:01.300 need to actually send the message now based on someone stepping up and having a plan i agree

00:44:07.040 yeah you know we have a listener that said to me uh recently don't tell me the outcome

00:44:12.520 the estimated outcome date tell me the date you're beginning oh wow and i'll i'll see what

00:44:19.300 you're doing yeah wow so thanks paul thanks mike

True Patriot Love - October 15, 2026

Surrey’s Extortion Crisis： Who’s Really Behind It？

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