Unify Action - October 31, 2026


＂We Aren't Being Stupid＂ - This Boomer Can't Give Any Reason For EU Membership

＂Big Gov't Is Bad＂ - Then He Argued For 30 Minutes About Why We Need It

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00:00:00.000 It's better for the EU to have us on their team than not.
00:00:02.400 What's the advantage of us being in there?
00:00:04.400 I don't know.
00:00:04.900 Part of the trade deal that we're thinking of is like,
00:00:07.100 oh, the US might have some control over who we trade with.
00:00:09.200 We could have worked through that instead of throwing a diva fit.
00:00:12.000 So we didn't diva fit. 0.94
00:00:14.300 We didn't diva fit 100%.
00:00:16.100 We're not diva fitting.
00:00:19.500 Please make the case.
00:00:22.700 I mean, Canada building partnerships around the world
00:00:26.300 these economic times, brings the entire planet forward economically, so open up a path to
00:00:35.300 better economic opportunities. We drag the US with us when that whole thing settles out
00:00:43.300 and then the world is a better place for me. That's why we should be involved.
00:00:48.300 Okay, how will an associate membership in the EU do that for us?
00:00:53.300 So, the associate membership needs to be ironed out.
00:00:58.300 Canada obviously is its own sovereign country.
00:01:00.300 They need to behave under their laws, their rules.
00:01:04.300 Will the EU union work?
00:01:06.300 I don't know.
00:01:08.300 But it's better for the EU to have us on their team than not.
00:01:12.300 Right?
00:01:13.300 So, Canada is resource rich, the best country in the world.
00:01:18.300 We are politically stable.
00:01:20.300 We don't make rash decisions economically from respect to banking and housing.
00:01:27.300 So having us on their team is good.
00:01:30.300 We provide a lot of opportunity for them.
00:01:33.300 But associate membership, will it work, will it not?
00:01:37.300 They can't force us to do it.
00:01:39.300 Well, we hope so.
00:01:41.300 There's been talk that there's not necessarily too much of an opt-out clause
00:01:44.300 and that leaving this deal will be difficult.
00:01:47.300 This is leaked information right now, but it has to be confirmed.
00:01:49.800 So how can they not let us leave?
00:01:52.300 Like, are they going to...
00:01:53.300 The pathway to leaving might be extremely difficult.
00:01:56.300 So we are our own sovereign country.
00:01:58.300 Unless they want to invade us to prevent that,
00:02:00.300 they can't economically penalize us.
00:02:02.300 Maybe.
00:02:03.300 Because we are resource rich. They need it.
00:02:09.300 So there's no reason why they wouldn't allow us to leave.
00:02:12.300 Right.
00:02:14.300 Nor could they prevent it.
00:02:16.300 And I say economically penalized.
00:02:19.120 Yeah, I'm just, so you've told me that it's good for Europe, but is it good for Canada?
00:02:24.020 Absolutely, 100%.
00:02:25.160 The more diverse our portfolio is business-wise, the better it is.
00:02:30.060 But again, we have 99% of our trade with the EU is already tariff-free.
00:02:35.760 And the rest is protected, quota-regulated markets that we're not going to untariff.
00:02:41.740 So what exactly are we gaining?
00:02:43.520 so what we're gaining is as a business the more people you can sell to the
00:02:51.140 better it is the more people you can trade with the better it is the US has
00:02:55.220 demonstrated that are not a trustworthy trading partner right now so any deal we
00:03:02.540 have with them they can obviously stomp over because they've done it so what we
00:03:08.440 need is to trade with what i call adults you have to you have to trade with adults in the room right
00:03:16.440 and uh sure our partnership with the us is never going to change they will always be our most
00:03:22.200 strong economic partner but if we have more people involved in that mix it's better for us
00:03:29.720 but how are we going to trade more because we're already trade is already flowing freely
00:03:35.240 between us and the us and eu right so trade is basically flowing freely
00:03:40.520 right and we're already partnering on military
00:03:43.800 we already have like significant partnerships we already have cita
00:03:48.760 so i'm just my bit is what exactly are we gaining
00:03:52.600 we could say outside of the associate membership that hey we want a partner
00:03:56.520 but i don't know the title i don't understand the title what's the
00:03:58.840 advantage of us being in there i don't know i don't know the
00:04:02.280 like the little minutiae why we uh why we want to be part of them unless we're getting access to
00:04:09.160 stuff and opening up trade partners that we didn't have uh an opportunity to be every time you become
00:04:15.880 involved in a political environment where like we're an associate member we know more information
00:04:22.840 than not because why would they give us information if we're not in there right so we have openings
00:04:28.440 to more information and they should want to partner with us because giving us more information
00:04:37.320 is important allowing them access to our resources on an easier way is better for everybody on the
00:04:45.160 planet so do we trade completely free with the eu i don't believe we do we don't trade completely
00:04:51.480 free but we don't trade completely free inside the provinces of our own country right we trade
00:04:56.360 So are you trying to open up better opportunities or are you trying to protect what you trade with already?
00:05:07.360 There are things that are always going to be protected. That's the way it is.
00:05:11.360 But getting an opportunity to hand off, to allow us not to be as dependent upon the US is important.
00:05:21.360 So we'll never disassociate with ourselves from the U.S. trading, and nor should we.
00:05:27.400 We shouldn't do that.
00:05:28.420 We should actually be pushing to resolve these economic trade issues really hard.
00:05:34.660 It's tough right now with the current government in place.
00:05:39.320 Hopefully when that changes, it'll get better.
00:05:41.560 But we need to open up opportunities to globally trade in a better way.
00:05:49.260 And I would agree with you that we should have better trade partners, but I still, part of me, like most of me, is like, why do we need the title?
00:05:58.700 And yes, I understand that we're like, why would the United States tell us that because part of the trade deal that we're thinking of is like, oh, the U.S. might have some control over who we trade with.
00:06:09.120 And I understand that's why, that's part of the reason we backed away, but we could have worked through that instead of throwing it like a diva fit.
00:06:17.900 but so we didn't we didn't diva fit we didn't diva fit 100 we're not diva fitting we were
00:06:25.720 pushed into a scenario where it was proven that we can't deal with them on an adult basis so if
00:06:32.840 i'm training with you and i react like i'm being a diva your first response is going to be try and
00:06:40.080 smooth it out if i can't i need to protect myself and i'm going to go look elsewhere so we did not
00:06:46.060 diva fit we responded right okay yeah but my point is if we join the eu any partnership already that
00:06:53.660 they have with the eu the eu has say in who they trade with so we're backing away from donald trump
00:07:00.300 saying you can't tell us who to trade with right but throwing yourself into the arms of the eu
00:07:04.700 where we would most likely through every everything that i'm seeing they would have some say in who we
00:07:10.060 trade with so it's like tit for time so as an associate member and i'm not a hundred percent
00:07:15.260 sure i would hope we would hope that any trade deal we have like they're not going to force us
00:07:22.700 to do something nor and if we capitulate that they're leaning on this heavy to do something
00:07:28.380 that doesn't benefit us then we really got to look at the government and say no that's a problem
00:07:32.540 you made a mistake but again what i'm hearing is that opting out of what the eu says is very
00:07:38.220 it's going to be quite difficult if they're going to penalize us for opting out then
00:07:46.060 they have more of a problem than we do because we control a bulk of the things that they need
00:07:52.460 so they they can play a hard line game but that impacts everybody negatively we know what kind of 0.96
00:07:59.900 Okay, economic SHIT show we're in right now because of one, like, unreasonable trade partner. 0.98
00:08:08.020 I figure if Europe behaves in that same way, the world will be thrown. 0.98
00:08:11.520 I believe they're going to behave much more responsibly than...
00:08:15.640 Okay, well, we see how they treat their members right now.
00:08:20.300 And I've had the opportunity to talk to a lot of Europeans,
00:08:24.220 And every one of them is telling me that no, the EU is a tax to oblivion, they are extremely corrupt, they are undemocratic, they do not care so much about the member states as they do about their own paychecks.
00:08:41.660 That's what I'm hearing from people who are actually there.
00:08:43.900 That's a problem of the system and how, that's a problem of execution of the system to be resolved by them in an appropriate way, but it's not a problem with the European Union as a whole. It's a problem with the way they execute. That's a problem, needs to be resolved.
00:09:00.300 Part of it is a systemic, part of it is the way that the EU is set up, right?
00:09:05.660 Correct.
00:09:05.960 Because they, so we're basically playing into this, we would not in any way be able to change it.
00:09:11.820 Of course, we can't change it, but we can always get out.
00:09:16.040 There's no...
00:09:16.720 We hope.
00:09:17.360 What?
00:09:17.880 We hope.
00:09:18.980 No, but how can they hold us to them without penalizing us economically?
00:09:23.620 And I would recommend that that would be a mistake. 0.99
00:09:25.920 They're not stupid. 0.98
00:09:28.120 Nor are we. 0.97
00:09:29.080 And we haven't signed on a dotted line anywhere yet.
00:09:32.160 Yeah, and I would hope...
00:09:33.680 See, right now, Mark Carney is saying that, yes, he will put it to a parliamentary vote.
00:09:40.260 Right. 0.97
00:09:40.560 But he's the first Prime Minister in Canada's history to gain a parliamentary majority through undemocratic means, through floor crossers. 1.00
00:09:50.240 How was that? 1.00
00:09:51.260 Through floor crossers. 1.00
00:09:52.420 What's that? 1.00
00:09:53.300 Floor crossers, right? 0.99
00:09:54.500 So people cross the floor from other parties to give him a majority government. 1.00
00:09:58.200 So we can't really say that he truly has the people's heart in mind.
00:10:02.720 So why did they cross the floor?
00:10:05.460 Well, there's a lot of rumors.
00:10:07.340 One of them being that they were paid.
00:10:09.380 We know that some people were offered good positions, money, they've come out, they've spoken out.
00:10:16.120 That's the way government works.
00:10:17.720 We know that.
00:10:18.320 Well, it shouldn't be like that.
00:10:19.920 So, but if you, if I assume like the politicians in parliament do their job because they're dedicated to the benefit of the country.
00:10:28.980 Some people are going to cross over and it sounds naive, but maybe some of them crossed from one side of the parliament to the other because they go,
00:10:37.160 this side is not the way Canada needs to go to be successful and they cross
00:10:44.600 because they wanted the country to be okay so I'm gonna say a percentage of
00:10:49.940 the people that cross got paid off sure but surely a percentage of them said
00:10:54.500 it's not great what we have over here it might be better over but even so it's
00:11:01.700 It's not going to a referendum with Canadians, it was never on the ballot, we never voted for it.
00:11:07.700 For what?
00:11:08.700 For EU membership.
00:11:09.700 Well, so that's a different story because Carney brokered a deal which he thought was best for the country from an economic perspective.
00:11:20.700 Now he's bringing it to Parliament.
00:11:22.700 But again, my point is that it will pass for sure, because he has gained a majority, and that was done through what we can consider not completely democratic means. So it should go to the people.
00:11:39.700 Is crossing the floor a democratic part of our government?
00:11:43.700 The people voted for their specific MP, right? They voted for the party, so
00:11:50.360 They did not vote for their MP to cross the floor that would never have been on the ballot. So
00:11:56.540 that becomes a function of the
00:11:59.060 writing that that person crossed over from. I would assume if my if my MP crossed to the other side and I really
00:12:06.220 disagreed with it, as a part of the process, I would kick up a stink about it and hope that
00:12:11.460 And a lot of people have.
00:12:12.840 And hopefully that gets resolved because that process falls out through the machine and something happens.
00:12:18.500 May not be today, may not be tomorrow.
00:12:20.920 But if crossing the floor was undemocratic, I would hope our government would prevent that from happening.
00:12:27.220 I would say that it is democratic, but it is currently allowed.
00:12:31.340 You say it's undemocratic, but allowed.
00:12:33.040 So then that's a change that has to happen.
00:12:35.500 It has to be, yeah.
00:12:36.140 It has to go through a parliamentary law that you're not allowed to cross without resigning your position.
00:12:41.560 Or going through re-election at the very least.
00:12:43.500 Correct. Correct. But right now, it's allowed.
00:12:47.360 So we kind of got to go, well, it's kind of dodgy.
00:12:51.000 It has been allowed in the past, but this is the first time in Canadian history, to my knowledge,
00:12:55.800 that anyone has ever gained a parliamentary majority simply through four-crossing.
00:13:00.280 So do you agree that what Carnegie's done for us in this economic downturn has been okay?
00:13:04.500 what sorry in what sense like what he has done like i mean carney's fixed a few things right
00:13:14.080 he ran a couple of world banks him and his buddies fixed an issue with uh the economy after covid
00:13:20.920 in a pub he's he's pretty good okay he's an adult in the room right now so the world looks to canada
00:13:27.820 up, and you might disagree with it, the world looks to Canada when they go to the economic
00:13:34.240 table as the sane and reasonable voice in the room.
00:13:38.060 Yeah, and I hope they do.
00:13:41.100 It's just like my point of disagreement right now is how he's gained his parliamentary majority.
00:13:46.060 That has nothing to do with his credentials or what he's done in the past, that's something
00:13:50.140 that he has done right now.
00:13:52.060 That's my point of issue.
00:13:53.060 So I agree and if that's an issue then people of the country need to get up in arms and resolve this situation. 0.62
00:14:04.060 The only option we have right now is for the government to be challenged by their riding demographic and say hey this is not right.
00:14:13.060 But what he did is not undemocratic.
00:14:17.060 You might feel like it is, but if it was undemocratic, that would be outlawed, part of our democratic constitution.
00:14:24.060 Well, it's never gone against the entire will of the people in the past.
00:14:30.060 So, I would say that it is democratic, but it has never been a huge issue until...
00:14:35.060 But has it gone against the entire will of the people, though?
00:14:38.060 I mean, is there stats to support that?
00:14:43.060 the people voted for a minority government, right?
00:14:47.260 So we can't really officially say anything until we went to another.
00:14:50.920 Correct.
00:14:51.680 So them crossing the floor is really not Kearney's fault.
00:14:57.040 They decided to make that cross.
00:14:58.880 Now, there's speculation that there might be money sliding under the table.
00:15:03.820 I don't know where...
00:15:05.820 I'm not sure.
00:15:07.980 It makes sense.
00:15:08.740 It might happen.
00:15:09.280 but i think the bulk of the people that cross would do it for the right i think we had about
00:15:14.560 five floor crossers right and we know that at least a few of them did receive something
00:15:22.440 or were promised something like uh oh there's an mp for markham i forget his name so yeah
00:15:32.100 Pierre Polyev is a leader of the PC party, because somebody resigned his seat to give it to Polyev.
00:15:43.100 Do you agree that's democratic?
00:15:46.100 Well, the people voted for Polyev in his place, so that inherently was democratic.
00:15:51.100 Right, but is that process where he maintains his leadership because some guy volunteered and got his palm dressed
00:15:59.100 and it got a sweet job at the back end of it is that a democratic position right
00:16:06.320 so Paliyev jumped and I know he had the win he's riding and he won it but in any
00:16:13.880 position or role I've ever been involved in if I lost I couldn't kick the guy out
00:16:20.600 and then get another shot at it so he got a second shot so if we give Paliyev
00:16:25.980 that that leeway i mean we have to give carney a leeway for crossing because both are are okay but
00:16:36.540 again like i like i where we were originally talking about the eu but polyev did win with
00:16:43.580 like 80 of the votes so okay i digress but if we don't like the union and the rules in the union
00:16:54.620 oh sorry do you mean the uh leadership race okay anyway if we if we don't like the union
00:17:08.380 and we and i feel that if it's not beneficial for canadians we have a mechanism to debate it
00:17:14.780 and challenge it but on paper it seems okay okay okay i think we disagree but that's okay okay
00:17:23.980 Thanks for coming up.
00:17:24.980 It's a pleasure to talk to you.
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