Valuetainment - October 07, 2026


“2027 Is Going To Be A Crazy Year” – Why Jacob Coxon Left Anthropic

Hosted by
Patrick Bet-David
Mentioned
Jacob Coxon Dario Amadei Sam Altman Labs Zuck
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Length

6 minutes

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184.96

Word count

1,139

Sentence count

80


Transcript

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00:00:00.000 so on september 8th a jacob coxson who's here with us good to have you on the podcast nice to
00:00:05.160 be here you decide to put on a tweet okay you had started your account january of 2026 you hadn't
00:00:11.120 put nothing up at all your first tweet says i resigned from anthropic today i spent the last
00:00:16.620 three years doing pre-training research at both open ai and anthropic neither company is acting
00:00:22.040 responsibly they are racing straight to self-improving super intelligence and gambling
00:00:26.420 with our lives. More thoughts below. We'll get into that later on. And this tweet gets 803,000
00:00:32.500 likes, 175 million views. There was a meeting yesterday at the White House prompted by you
00:00:39.040 indirectly. You got politicians that got involved, world leaders that got involved. A meeting that
00:00:44.280 happened with G that was here last week. One of the topics of discussion was how powerful
00:00:48.460 AI is going to be. And the funny part that I think is important for the audience to realize this,
00:00:52.960 and you can fact check me on this, that you let all your stocks go,
00:00:59.280 that you weren't even able to vest your stocks because of the timing that you had,
00:01:02.960 which means any money on the stocks that you also had was left behind for you,
00:01:06.760 if that's correct, right?
00:01:07.600 There was no, the options didn't move on with you.
00:01:09.980 Not at Anthropic.
00:01:10.740 Not at Anthropic.
00:01:11.560 At OpenAI you were there.
00:01:12.600 I have OpenAI.
00:01:13.660 Okay.
00:01:14.040 So you did all of that and the world kind of stopped for a few days.
00:01:19.960 Till today they're still talking about it.
00:01:21.740 What did you see that got you to say, I have to do this?
00:01:25.460 Yeah, it really was just thinking about next year.
00:01:28.700 Next year and the year after.
00:01:29.680 I think 2027 is going to be a crazy year.
00:01:33.840 And I think about the news headlines.
00:01:35.580 Like, so last year, AI, a bit in the news.
00:01:38.340 Three years ago, it was very rarely in the news.
00:01:40.700 Maybe for ChatGBT, but otherwise, no.
00:01:42.580 This year, it's bam, bam, bam.
00:01:44.480 AI, every month, there's a big AI story.
00:01:47.120 Next year, it's going to be like every day,
00:01:49.720 there's going to be a big AI story.
00:01:51.280 In particular, just imagine, I don't know, I wasn't alive during World War II, but during World War II, I imagined that just the concept of war was coloring everything.
00:02:00.280 It was in the background for every day-to-day thing.
00:02:02.820 Like every news story, war would be in the background.
00:02:05.680 I think it would be like that for AI next year.
00:02:08.380 In terms of what I specifically saw, it is the models, the AI models next year are going to be very capable in a way where they're going to be able to automate a lot of work, a lot of everyone's jobs.
00:02:20.160 but kind of most importantly, a lot of the AI researchers' jobs.
00:02:23.580 So things are just going to speed up so much
00:02:25.440 that it's going to become a very, very serious thing next year, probably.
00:02:28.940 So 2027 for you is what's going to be, is a word to use chaotic?
00:02:35.160 Chaotic, definitely, yes.
00:02:36.860 So unpack it for me, like the average person listening to this,
00:02:39.860 what does that look like?
00:02:40.720 Yeah, so there's many different things that could happen.
00:02:44.580 Things that, kind of the most important thing is right now,
00:02:47.660 Labs are treating this, like the companies are treating this like it's a normal technology.
00:02:51.900 You know, this is business.
00:02:52.760 They have, maybe you saw OpenAI kind of, they have these dev days.
00:02:55.760 They share their products with users.
00:02:58.220 They're still tweeting like, oh, excited to release this new product.
00:03:01.880 The thing is, this is a super weapon.
00:03:03.680 So soon people are going to have to realize that this is not like a casual business thing.
00:03:09.240 This is like a super weapon technology that really should be nationalized.
00:03:13.300 And I think next year is kind of probably when that realization really sets in that this is very, very serious stuff.
00:03:22.120 You're saying it should be nationalized.
00:03:23.520 So if it's seriously that concerning, when you say nationalized, you trust the government getting involved to control this then free market?
00:03:32.600 Yeah, I'm not saying I need nationalization.
00:03:35.220 I'm saying that it is so serious that I'm surprised the government isn't nationalizing.
00:03:41.260 Like the government is looking at these companies.
00:03:43.260 They're going to have power.
00:03:44.620 This tech is powerful tech.
00:03:46.360 And I'm just very surprised that Trump can sit there and say,
00:03:49.000 I'm going to let Dario Amadei,
00:03:51.100 I'm going to let Sam Altman have the keys to this powerful tech.
00:03:54.100 Because normally it's the government that has the keys to this stuff.
00:03:56.160 You wouldn't let Marcus Ackerbock have nukes.
00:03:59.120 That's just not a thing that normally happens.
00:04:01.500 Make the comparable of the two, nukes and this.
00:04:03.920 So nukes cause world chaos, obviously, like plausibly.
00:04:07.740 Same thing for AI.
00:04:09.060 It's going to be, do you really want a private company
00:04:11.440 to make decisions about unemployment rate,
00:04:14.640 you know, big stuff, potentially?
00:04:17.280 If they make a mistake, someone in a, you know,
00:04:20.540 some regime somewhere could produce a bioweapon.
00:04:23.300 Like, that's a mess up.
00:04:24.320 Do you want private companies to be in control
00:04:26.060 of all these decisions?
00:04:27.580 Like, to give an example, if you're an anthropic
00:04:29.380 and you're training in AI and you're going to share it
00:04:31.980 with the world, one of the things they worry about
00:04:34.840 is what if China can steal from this?
00:04:39.040 And that's a private company worrying about geopolitics,
00:04:42.660 which is a weird thing for a private company to make decisions
00:04:47.300 that affect the whole geopolitical situation.
00:04:50.860 Yeah, but some companies become so big that you become a small country.
00:04:53.580 Yes.
00:04:54.060 You have to realize, Zuck is a world leader of 2.4 billion people called Facebook,
00:05:01.580 and he's got regulations he deals with with the government and whatever countries he's in he has
00:05:06.780 to buy by those rules and guidelines that's why he's always in lawsuits because yeah broke some
00:05:11.880 of the guidelines right so the same with twitter same with google same with youtube same with all
00:05:16.060 these guys so they almost have to be because they're dealing with those types of people right
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