Valuetainment - October 08, 2026


＂China Stealing America's AI Secrets＂ - OpenAI Fired 3 Safety Researchers

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Patrick Bet-David
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Adam Anthropik Lin Wei Leon Ding Anthropic Skyworks Weipeng Mario Jin Fang Zhang Wei Bao Wang Brunello Cuccinelli Xialong Zhang Laura Piana JD Vance Jacob Coxon Hao Zhang Tom You Tiger Mom Palantir Wu-Tang OpenAI and 6 more
“I’m Not Trying To Start A Witch Hunt” – Jacob Coxon On AI Espionage Concerns

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00:00:00.000 Next thing I want to get into is what happened with AI spies that are getting into open AI and Anthropik.
00:00:06.080 And this goes with a conversation I had last week with Jacob Cox and the Anthropik whistleblower that came out and said, 0.56
00:00:11.080 hey, you know, Tesla cannot have any Chinese nationals work there, but Anthropik and open AI can.
00:00:17.320 And I started thinking, what do you mean by that?
00:00:19.060 This interview drops tomorrow.
00:00:20.660 So watch what happens a couple of days later in a story.
00:00:23.980 A couple of days later, OpenAI fires three safety researchers accused of sharing confidential company information.
00:00:32.060 What?
00:00:33.160 Three researchers have been fired from OpenAI after allegedly sharing confidential company information with a third-party AI safety organization.
00:00:38.880 Sources told Wall Street Journal, the three worked on the company's safety team.
00:00:43.220 We have parted ways with three individuals for violating our policies on accessing and handling sensitive company information.
00:00:50.260 An OpenAI spokesperson said, our investigation confirmed that these individuals mishandled sensitive information outside established company procedures, violating our policies, and breaking the trust essential to our work.
00:01:01.160 The firing came as OpenAI and other major AI companies have disclosed incidents involved AI models engaging in unexpected behavior or autonomously accessing other company systems.
00:01:14.260 OpenAI has outlined three, six instances of what it's called misaligned behavior, including models creating self-generated instructions, concealing mistakes in task summaries, fabricating information using exposed AI keys, and engaging in unsanctioned communication between agents.
00:01:31.100 OpenAI safety leaders also decided not to release its new AI model, GPT 6.1 Astra, due to safety concerns for anything regarding safety and alignment.
00:01:39.940 There's a tradeoff. OpenAI's head of safety system said the model didn't quite meet the bar.
00:01:45.640 So, Tom, how much more of these types of stories do you think we're going to be hearing moving forward?
00:01:51.300 We're going to hear a lot of them, and I'll tell you why we're going to hear a lot of them.
00:01:54.460 Because in related news, just two days before that, they say, Anthropic says, hey, we're looking at an IPO the week of November 9th.
00:02:05.280 as early as the week of November 9th, as long as we can get coverage at $2 trillion in valuation.
00:02:12.000 So why are they saying both of these things at the same time?
00:02:15.120 And remember, they put the S-1, was a confidential S-1 that they put to sec.gov.
00:02:21.960 So we can't go look at it the way we could go to sec.gov and we could read the S-1s for companies that are going public.
00:02:28.660 We can't.
00:02:29.500 Well, Anthropic says, no, no, no, we think we could go out as early as November 9th, $2 trillion valuation.
00:02:35.280 Well, if that's what they're trying to do, then they have to clear the deck, Pat, of all this PR.
00:02:41.220 And so what better way to clear the deck of the PR?
00:02:44.620 I know we came out and said we worried about this.
00:02:46.840 I know we were talking about, you know, hugging face.
00:02:49.200 I know we were talking about this. 1.00
00:02:50.940 We fired three of the bastards. 1.00
00:02:52.840 Ha, we're taking action. 1.00
00:02:54.340 I think it's that.
00:02:55.700 I think they're trying to, I'm being a little dramatic, but I think what they're really trying to say is, hey, we take safety seriously.
00:03:01.460 This is a way of saying we're responsible.
00:03:03.580 It's not like anything crazy happened.
00:03:05.580 It's for investors to say, oh, wow, look how responsible OpenAI is.
00:03:08.980 Correct.
00:03:09.500 And to pull back any congressional, here's a bad word, hearings that might be going on when you're trying to go to Wall Street because you can't do both.
00:03:17.820 People are going to say, wait, wait, wait.
00:03:18.980 We're not going public if you're in the middle of congressional hearings or going for 60 days on AI safety.
00:03:25.120 Sorry, dude.
00:03:25.860 You're not going to do that.
00:03:26.980 No one will let them.
00:03:27.680 The SEC will come out and say, stop.
00:03:30.520 We're investigating all these safety things.
00:03:32.440 You're not going out.
00:03:33.200 Remember, the SEC has to allow it.
00:03:35.080 So I think it's both.
00:03:36.780 I think they're trying to look responsible, as you say.
00:03:39.900 Adam, where are you at with this one?
00:03:41.600 Look, I haven't followed this exact story,
00:03:43.560 but this isn't like this one person they fired, three people they fired.
00:03:47.940 What's the basis of the story?
00:03:49.240 Were they working together, these three of these people, Tom?
00:03:52.540 Were they independent?
00:03:53.980 I'm trying to go deeper on this story, but then I have an overall.
00:03:56.980 Well, let me do this while you're thinking that.
00:03:59.780 I didn't see bio.
00:04:01.020 Let me go into this.
00:04:01.680 So what I'm concerned about is the following. 1.00
00:04:03.960 I want to know how often this has happened with Chinese nationals because you have to, like. 0.83
00:04:10.420 Were these all Chinese nationals?
00:04:11.840 What does it mean?
00:04:12.760 No, not necessarily.
00:04:13.520 What does it mean when people are sharing sensitive information?
00:04:19.560 They're spying.
00:04:19.680 What does that mean?
00:04:20.280 It's espionage.
00:04:21.700 Okay, so, and who are you sharing it with?
00:04:23.640 We didn't really know who they're sharing it with.
00:04:25.480 Like, where did it go?
00:04:26.260 When I go and I think about things that concern me, here's what I think about.
00:04:29.660 There's a few different people.
00:04:30.860 So think about Google. A person named Lin Wei Leon Ding at Google, a PRC national and Google AI engineers, prosecutors said he stole more than 2,000 pages of confidential AI material involving Google's TPU, GPU, supercomputing infrastructure while secretly affiliated with two China-based AI companies.
00:04:54.660 So in January 2026, he was convicted on seven counts of economic espionage and seven counts of trade secret theft for the benefit of the PRC.
00:05:04.740 Can you look up this name, please? Lin Wei Ding, Google. L-I-N-W-E-I, then D-I-N-G, Google.
00:05:13.920 Yeah, this one right here. This just happened, just so you know. This just happened a few months ago.
00:05:19.480 You got another one with Apple.
00:05:21.800 Xialong Zhang.
00:05:23.080 Obviously, you don't have to ask if these guys are from Afghanistan or U.S. or Brazil.
00:05:26.780 It's very obvious.
00:05:27.960 Former Apple self-driving car engineer.
00:05:30.540 He was accused of downloading autonomous driving trade secrets before planning to work for Chinese EV company, Japang, and arrested while trying to board a flight to China.
00:05:42.380 He later pleaded guilty to trade secret theft.
00:05:46.060 By the way, just so you know, and this is recent.
00:05:48.340 Then I'll give you another one.
00:05:49.480 Wei Bao Wang.
00:05:50.420 Where do you think he's from?
00:05:51.220 I'll let you guess.
00:05:51.840 I'm going to keep going.
00:05:52.380 From the Wu-Tang.
00:05:53.320 Wu-Tang.
00:05:54.180 South Central.
00:05:55.160 Former Apple autonomous system engineer.
00:05:57.880 Prosecutors allege he took Apple source code and technical material after accepting a job.
00:06:03.380 You're going to see where I'm going with this, where my concern is.
00:06:05.380 I'm starting to light up.
00:06:06.080 A job with the U.S. subsidiary of a PRC headquartered autonomous driving company.
00:06:10.840 Okay?
00:06:11.260 By the way, you know who got involved in this?
00:06:12.700 The FBI got involved in this.
00:06:13.980 Of course they did.
00:06:14.560 This remains an allegation, not a conviction with this one.
00:06:17.580 Hao Zhang.
00:06:18.300 Where do you think that guy is from?
00:06:19.480 Skyworks, a PRC citizen who worked at Skyworks, prosecutors proved he and collaborators stole wireless semiconductor trade secrets and used them to build a competing operation tied to Tian University.
00:06:33.580 And DOJ described an instrumental as an instrumental of Chinese government.
00:06:39.320 He was convicted of economic espionage and trade secret theft.
00:06:42.740 I'll give you one other one here.
00:06:44.400 Weipeng, Avago Technologies, another PRC.
00:06:47.720 By the way, there's two Weipeng apparently.
00:06:49.480 Two Weipangs?
00:06:51.620 DOJ alleged that he and Jank took FBAR semiconductor technology
00:06:56.640 and shared it with conspirators.
00:06:58.200 Again, a China-based venture.
00:06:59.620 He was charging the same economic espionage.
00:07:01.440 Okay.
00:07:02.120 So you know some of the people on MAGA or Republicans that are not happy with Trump
00:07:06.660 in what area?
00:07:08.160 The one area where he's like, yeah, we want to have 600,000 Chinese students
00:07:11.260 come here and go to our universities.
00:07:13.720 And China would love for that to happen. 0.86
00:07:17.040 Why would they love to happen?
00:07:18.200 You think they're just coming here to learn our stuff and take you back to China?
00:07:21.860 Or do you think those people that are coming here are true believers of China?
00:07:24.940 They want to come and get the intel, see what we're doing, move into our companies.
00:07:29.840 You have to be very, very careful with how China runs.
00:07:33.600 The U.S. model is you have two terms when you become president.
00:07:37.100 You come in.
00:07:38.200 If you're doing a good job, you get reelected.
00:07:40.640 If not, sometimes you win.
00:07:43.200 Second time, the other side cheats.
00:07:44.560 Then you come back in.
00:07:45.380 Sometimes these types of things happen, right? 0.79
00:07:46.840 But if you think for a second, China's not thinking long term of coming in and stealing what we have and sending it back to them, their loyalty is not to U.S. 0.54
00:07:55.480 Their loyalty is back to China. 0.51
00:07:57.800 They're not in America because they love America and they love the company they're working for.
00:08:02.300 They're here to share the intel back with them.
00:08:04.560 So my concern is, do you make a law in America that Chinese nationals cannot work for these AI companies?
00:08:13.680 Well, is it the law that does it, or is this the company itself that has to do this?
00:08:18.240 But you can't wait for the company because the company is going to want engineers.
00:08:21.820 So part of this goes into, do you talk H-1B visa?
00:08:25.180 Do you go into a lot of Indians are coming here?
00:08:27.700 And J.D. Vance just kind of talked about this recently.
00:08:29.720 I don't know if you saw that over the weekend.
00:08:31.520 These are true, real concerns that people are thinking about.
00:08:34.400 You know, one of the things you taught me, you said, listen, here's how I do business.
00:08:38.360 You said, I hire slow, but I fire fast.
00:08:42.540 So to me, I mean, would you break that down?
00:08:44.420 There's a very strict vetting process if you're going to let somebody into your world.
00:08:49.200 Why don't American companies operate like that, especially in the light of this China situation or whoever these safety researchers are?
00:08:58.620 You just read how many Chinese names that did this?
00:09:01.380 I mean, I feel like the vetting process needs to be completely profound in this situation.
00:09:06.540 How would you go about this as a publicly traded company, let's say, or even private company?
00:09:10.780 So remember, not everything is a deal.
00:09:13.840 Not everything is about making deals.
00:09:15.760 The president is a dealmaker, right?
00:09:18.000 There are some things that there are no deals.
00:09:20.420 It's not on the table.
00:09:21.680 We're not even – you give me – like today, this morning,
00:09:24.760 I'm talking to one of our guys, Dan, 18 Delta, and we're driving.
00:09:29.420 We're having a conversation about what happened in France.
00:09:31.080 I said, let me ask you a question.
00:09:31.900 If you had a choice between being a billionaire
00:09:35.200 or having been in Delta Force for 10 years, which one do you choose?
00:09:39.040 He says, it's not even close.
00:09:40.780 I said, what do you mean?
00:09:42.080 He says, oh, it's not even close.
00:09:43.880 I would choose Delta.
00:09:45.280 Really?
00:09:45.740 Oh, he says it's not.
00:09:46.760 So you see, that's core values to this human being.
00:09:50.380 I respect that because money can't buy the dream that he had in place.
00:09:55.340 There are certain things in America that should not be for sale to anybody.
00:10:00.580 And this is one of those things that shouldn't be for sale.
00:10:04.060 For no matter how much money you want to give me, something shouldn't be for sale.
00:10:08.420 It's like how many social media platforms that are American-owned are based in China?
00:10:13.800 None.
00:10:14.240 None.
00:10:14.740 But how many are here?
00:10:15.740 Exactly.
00:10:16.500 So, you know, it's kind of like the rules of the road.
00:10:19.180 There's a binary situation going on here.
00:10:21.360 How many American workers are working in China right now?
00:10:24.160 Very few, probably.
00:10:25.080 Very, very few.
00:10:25.980 And if you don't think that they have the phone,
00:10:27.060 Some guy named Rick just working at Huawei?
00:10:29.260 I want to see what Tom's going to say about this.
00:10:30.700 Tom, what would you say about this?
00:10:31.640 So take a look at this graphic.
00:10:33.040 I don't know if the audience can see this. 0.62
00:10:34.900 This is the self-reforcing visa wheel. 0.69
00:10:36.720 Now, why does it happen?
00:10:38.420 A H-1B visa holder, your spouse is allowed to get an H-4.
00:10:43.240 If your spouse has an H-4, then they could form an LLC, and they form staffing firms.
00:10:48.500 The staffing firms reach out and help other people get H-1Bs.
00:10:52.540 Why is this happening?
00:10:53.820 Because we've created a market for it.
00:10:55.600 Why do we create a market for it?
00:10:57.160 Because is California liberal or conservative?
00:11:00.240 Huh?
00:11:00.560 Liberal.
00:11:01.340 The people that are running technology companies, are they largely liberal or conservative?
00:11:05.660 Liberal.
00:11:05.940 Liberal.
00:11:06.500 They're in favor of bringing foreign workers over.
00:11:10.480 And by the way, at the end of it, they may be liberal, but they sure as hell are capitalists 0.85
00:11:14.880 because they want lower-cost engineers.
00:11:17.780 And they bring over tons of lower-cost engineers through this, this process.
00:11:21.680 I'm not okay with that. This shouldn't be fulfilled.
00:11:22.680 This is, Pat, this is the problem. 1.00
00:11:24.680 But this is mostly from India, though, correct? 0.98
00:11:26.900 More H-1B, I think, of India.
00:11:28.600 India is a lot of it, but you are also seeing it from mainland China, 0.90
00:11:32.360 and you're seeing it with spies.
00:11:33.540 And China is even more sophisticated.
00:11:36.560 They don't want to go through the more visible H-1B.
00:11:40.320 They talk our president into what?
00:11:43.240 Allowing the students to come over to the college.
00:11:46.040 Both have to stop.
00:11:47.180 America cannot be for sale.
00:11:48.500 Why would Trump want 600,000 students coming from China?
00:11:52.600 What's the methodology with that?
00:11:54.200 I'm not in the room.
00:11:55.180 I didn't become a president.
00:11:56.300 So let me just start with that preface.
00:11:57.940 So whatever I say, he can do whatever he wants to do.
00:12:00.660 He became the president.
00:12:01.560 I'm not the president.
00:12:02.220 If I became president, maybe I would have done it in a different way.
00:12:04.220 But, again, I don't have access to all the information.
00:12:06.800 You just have to realize, when you go to a negotiation,
00:12:11.120 not everything's on the table.
00:12:14.800 Like, you asked me a question about a relationship earlier,
00:12:17.280 and we're not going to talk publicly.
00:12:19.980 It's not on the table.
00:12:22.180 We're not negotiating this.
00:12:24.640 In certain things in life, we're dictators.
00:12:27.720 As a parent, not everything's negotiable with the kids.
00:12:30.740 There are moments where Perrin must be a dictator.
00:12:33.520 To allow these guys to come and steal our stuff
00:12:36.420 and even think that they're going to be loyal to us,
00:12:38.740 it's a numbers game.
00:12:40.100 Say you've got 500 of them. 0.99
00:12:41.780 How many Chinese nationals do you need to be 100% loyal to China
00:12:45.080 to share our information with them?
00:12:46.760 One out of 500.
00:12:48.100 You don't need all of them.
00:12:49.140 So it's like, well, it's not all of them.
00:12:50.140 It goes back to the same argument with, you know, 0.92
00:12:52.220 not all Muslims are, you know, but hey, 1% is a lot. 0.92
00:12:56.520 Half a percent is a lot. 0.89
00:12:57.760 Two billion out of two billion. 0.96
00:12:58.340 So to me, this is the part when sometimes Israel comes here, Adam, 0.97
00:13:02.920 and I have a problem with this. 1.00
00:13:04.560 This is the part that for me, I'm not the guy that's part of, 0.99
00:13:07.500 oh, my God, everything, everything, something happens, it's Israel's fault. 0.99
00:13:10.460 I'm not part of that camp. 0.99
00:13:11.880 But I tell you, if you're in the U.S.
00:13:14.920 and you serve the IDF more than you serve the U.S.,
00:13:17.400 I question your loyalty. 0.85
00:13:19.860 You know what's the only bottom two religions that don't join the U.S. Army?
00:13:25.440 It's Jews and Muslims. 0.95
00:13:28.340 Why not? 0.57
00:13:29.000 What's your loyalty to?
00:13:30.600 I'm a Christian.
00:13:31.420 I serve the military here.
00:13:33.100 So it concerns me when your loyalty is to a different country.
00:13:36.640 I don't play those games.
00:13:37.840 Right, sure.
00:13:38.420 And I'm not the conspiracy jumping all this other stuff.
00:13:41.740 I think there needs to be a certain level of, no, if you are this, you can't work here.
00:13:48.540 We're not sharing this technology with you at all.
00:13:51.000 This is not a regular thing to collaborate with and cooperate with.
00:13:56.380 just because you want to get these other three deals done
00:13:58.660 because everyone's going to say it's impossible,
00:14:00.140 but the ramifications of this deal we're not going to see for 20 years
00:14:03.420 when we have three other presidents now.
00:14:05.380 I think it's, like I said to you, I want to preface everything.
00:14:10.500 I'm not the president.
00:14:11.500 I didn't win an election.
00:14:12.520 I'm not in the room.
00:14:13.240 I don't have access to all the information.
00:14:14.540 I'm just giving you my opinion.
00:14:16.120 This makes me uncomfortable.
00:14:17.440 It's that simple for me.
00:14:18.400 It makes me very uncomfortable.
00:14:18.940 Did you hear what happened, like, last night?
00:14:20.740 What's that?
00:14:21.800 What's her name?
00:14:22.460 Jin Fang Zhang? 0.55
00:14:23.440 She was arrested at LAX. 0.97
00:14:24.740 She's accused of working for the Chinese government
00:14:27.580 Spying on Taiwan's son 0.99
00:14:29.700 His wife, his kids 0.85
00:14:30.820 Taking pictures of his carpet
00:14:32.040 Why would you be sending that back to China 1.00
00:14:33.920 So they have leverage 0.99
00:14:35.060 If God forbid something happens
00:14:36.200 We got your son, we got your wife
00:14:38.420 Remember during Biden
00:14:40.400 Remember all those videos Tommy
00:14:41.960 You actually sent me the video 1.00
00:14:43.060 All these Chinese nationals 1.00
00:14:44.620 Bringing them into the border 1.00
00:14:46.000 None of them spoke English 0.99
00:14:47.860 Besides a terrorist guy
00:14:49.660 Dressed much differently than a lot of people
00:14:53.060 that you could see were mexican refugees absolutely coming from northern provinces you know this
00:14:57.680 h1b visa thing that tom just posted yeah you know 73 percent of the h1b visas are from india
00:15:03.600 12 are from china right you just have to also know what people are bringing these concerns
00:15:08.640 but let's be super clear yeah are we more worried about what's going on in india or with china
00:15:13.160 by the way i'm worried about both sir sure and because what's more of a worry i'll give you my
00:15:19.820 answer and it's china it's not even a question in the next five to ten years with china with in the
00:15:24.340 next five to ten years it's china yeah don't get it twisted india is doesn't think low of themselves
00:15:30.740 they think very highly by the way they should they're they're the most populated country in
00:15:35.040 the world they're the biggest democracy in the world they have and we have a decent relationship
00:15:38.380 with india should but we have rival yeah we are rivals but what i'm saying to me it's different
00:15:42.840 levels of competition you cannot sit there and just think about crisis today we built china into
00:15:50.160 behemoth because of what nixon did china's a nobody without what america did for them and
00:15:54.820 opened it up china's a nobody without what japan told them on what to do with the banks and
00:15:59.220 opening up all these banks instead of just having two national banks and you're not lending money
00:16:04.000 so so to me we built a monster and now that monster who used to be hi how are you oh very
00:16:11.720 Oh, yes.
00:16:12.320 Oh, yeah.
00:16:12.660 We're so polite. 1.00
00:16:13.680 Behind closers, we're going to eat these people alive. 1.00
00:16:16.800 They don't even know we're going to crush them. 0.99
00:16:18.880 Only the paranoia survive, baby.
00:16:20.480 And so, you know, my paranoia is to protect the greatest country in the world, and that's America.
00:16:25.020 It's that simple.
00:16:25.520 And if you have those philosophies and ideology, it's what I'm going to be doing.
00:16:29.460 It doesn't mean I'm not in the room negotiating with you.
00:16:31.480 It doesn't mean I'm not in the room talking, but there are certain things that should not be for sale.
00:16:36.120 This is one of them. 1.00
00:16:36.900 Would you completely limit H-1Bs? 1.00
00:16:39.780 No, no, no, no. 1.00
00:16:40.480 I'll tell you what I would do.
00:16:41.160 Let me just answer the question and then I'm going to come to you. 1.00
00:16:44.080 Would you completely eliminate H-1Bs from China? 0.57
00:16:47.360 So to me, the way I see this, Adam, is say you take companies that have direct impact 0.77
00:16:55.260 or maybe they're partners of America, the U.S. government, that have access to information.
00:17:01.320 So let me explain.
00:17:02.520 So let's just say Nathropik.
00:17:04.360 Let's just say Palantir.
00:17:05.980 Let's just say whoever these companies are that are working as a partner to the U.S.
00:17:10.720 government that get access to certain information that is very highly intellectual property to us
00:17:17.400 like a public private partnership yes it goes pretty if i have things like that not one single
00:17:22.580 chinese national can be working on that i'm with you not one i'm with if you're working at nike
00:17:27.380 and you're working at certain tiers like let me put it to you this way there's security there's
00:17:32.240 certain level of secret clearance and what you're doing dude there is limits of where you're going
00:17:36.940 with a certain industry.
00:17:38.380 I'm not even letting you compete with that.
00:17:39.580 Is your concern, would you do that same thing with India
00:17:42.480 or just with China?
00:17:44.140 I would do that with them as well.
00:17:46.000 Really?
00:17:46.420 Again, would you do that with every country? 1.00
00:17:48.340 By the way, do you know where Hindus lie
00:17:52.400 in joining the U.S. military?
00:17:54.580 Can you do me a favor?
00:17:55.840 Can you do me a favor and ask a simple question?
00:17:59.200 What religions or what's the way to ask it?
00:18:04.080 What immigrants that came to America, or ask the question two different ways.
00:18:10.120 What immigrants that come to America joined the military the highest?
00:18:13.040 You know, we did this research before, so I know you have it, Conor.
00:18:15.220 I know you're in the back looking at this.
00:18:16.920 You handed me this research, so it came from you.
00:18:19.440 Join the U.S. military.
00:18:20.980 Why is that important to me?
00:18:22.960 Always pay attention when people say the following.
00:18:25.260 I would never let my kids join the U.S. military.
00:18:28.600 When people say that, there are people that say this on social media, if you haven't heard them already.
00:18:35.580 That is one of the scariest things somebody says who lives in America.
00:18:39.460 You know what you're saying?
00:18:41.080 What are you saying?
00:18:42.540 Oh, I'm sorry.
00:18:43.620 Where does patriotism come from?
00:18:45.420 What is the ultimate way of showing patriotism?
00:18:47.780 Serving.
00:18:48.540 Okay.
00:18:49.140 So now don't get me wrong.
00:18:50.460 You can be a soldier in the military under a Democrat or Republican or you can do all that other stuff
00:18:57.080 and not be happy with the president like you weren't happy with Bush
00:19:00.080 or some people were not happy with all this other stuff.
00:19:02.100 But the question becomes there needs to be patriotism.
00:19:05.960 I watch, you know who's number one, by the way, that joins the military?
00:19:08.900 I think it's Presbyterian.
00:19:09.540 Is it non-denominational Presbyterians?
00:19:11.260 I think Catholics are number two.
00:19:12.900 Do you find it?
00:19:13.400 Can you zoom in, please?
00:19:14.500 Yeah, watch this.
00:19:15.300 This is it.
00:19:15.840 Yeah, zoom in a little bit.
00:19:16.960 Look at this. 0.56
00:19:18.600 Protestants are number one.
00:19:20.040 Biggest percentage of those that join the military. 1.00
00:19:22.220 You know what's the lowest one after Jewish? 1.00
00:19:24.840 Hindu. 1.00
00:19:25.700 That's where I was getting to.
00:19:26.780 You see the 0.04%? 0.99
00:19:28.560 Jews are above them by 0.03% to 0.07%. 1.00
00:19:31.280 Look at where Muslims are at. 1.00
00:19:32.760 0.15. 1.00
00:19:34.140 Then it's Buddhist.
00:19:35.700 And guess where those four people are from? 0.81
00:19:38.520 So your loyalty isn't to America.
00:19:41.500 Why don't you join the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy, the U.S. Marines?
00:19:46.720 I have a problem with that.
00:19:48.300 So I look at you and I say, you claim you're a patriot?
00:19:50.800 I am.
00:19:51.540 Tell your kid to join the military.
00:19:53.160 No, I don't want to.
00:19:54.100 You're not a patriot.
00:19:55.820 Then you're just here to take advantage of the opportunity. 1.00
00:19:58.060 So when you're telling me, am I also concerned with Indians, 0.95
00:20:00.520 I am simply because of this data.
00:20:02.960 Contribute to society.
00:20:04.600 What do you think the parents are telling their kids?
00:20:06.900 Don't do it.
00:20:07.340 I have a – and by the way, keep this in mind.
00:20:10.260 I'm not telling you – well, they're like, well, you know,
00:20:13.080 you raise your kids the wrong way.
00:20:14.360 We tell our kids to go be engineers, doctors, and this.
00:20:17.020 I respect that. 0.57
00:20:18.280 I think the style of Indian parenting – I've done a video on them
00:20:20.920 to compliment them on how great they are with discipline 1.00
00:20:22.880 and challenging them and pushing them.
00:20:24.520 You know that one book called Tiger Mom or something like that that blew up so millions of copies?
00:20:28.800 It's a Chinese book.
00:20:29.300 It's like how hard mothers are.
00:20:31.140 And shout out to Mario's mom.
00:20:32.840 I think Mario needs to write a book about his mom.
00:20:34.720 Those stories would – it would blow up.
00:20:37.080 It's a very different story, Lester Molester.
00:20:38.840 But those are different kind of things we're talking about. 0.88
00:20:41.500 But I would consider China an enemy or a competitor.
00:20:45.880 I would not consider India a competitor.
00:20:48.840 I would consider Israel an ally.
00:20:51.400 There's different levels to this thing.
00:20:52.120 My level of paranoia for China is at a 90.
00:20:55.800 My level of paranoia for India is at a 40.
00:20:58.900 And my level of Israel not encouraging their folks to join the military here is at a 15. 0.98
00:21:05.840 I judge you. 0.89
00:21:06.820 I'm with you exactly on that.
00:21:07.760 Join the flippin' military.
00:21:10.340 Encourage your kids to join and serve in any possible way.
00:21:13.280 It's more about just giving back to your country.
00:21:15.040 It's not so much just joining the military.
00:21:16.740 You could show your patriotism by not joining the military.
00:21:19.900 That's not the only qualification of how you can show your patriots. 1.00
00:21:23.360 Why don't Hindus join the military at all? 0.93
00:21:25.180 I don't know. 0.99
00:21:25.860 I don't know the answer to that.
00:21:27.300 I didn't join the military.
00:21:28.420 That doesn't make me less patriotic.
00:21:30.260 I went to college.
00:21:31.040 I played football.
00:21:32.100 But I get it.
00:21:33.580 But I'm sorry, Adam. 1.00
00:21:35.120 Jews go join the IDF very high percentage. 1.00
00:21:37.480 They have to. 1.00
00:21:38.220 What do you mean they have to?
00:21:39.400 Why do they?
00:21:40.200 Well, in Israel, it's mandatory. 0.86
00:21:42.320 Why do they, though? 0.95
00:21:43.840 I don't know.
00:21:44.720 I didn't do that either, so ask that.
00:21:46.220 It's called patriotism towards their country.
00:21:48.960 Yeah.
00:21:49.320 And I have a problem with that. 1.00
00:21:51.560 I have a problem with Hindus, Buddhists, and Jews who don't want to join the U.S. military. 1.00
00:21:57.260 I'm sorry. 1.00
00:21:57.780 I'm a freaking middle— 0.91
00:21:58.540 Yeah, but that doesn't make people less patriotic. 0.94
00:22:02.020 There's two different things going on, I believe.
00:22:03.740 Look, I'm not making friends today.
00:22:05.480 Trust me.
00:22:05.980 Again, by me saying this, I'm not making friends today.
00:22:07.720 We're already friends, Pat.
00:22:08.340 But I'm talking about with the audience watching this.
00:22:10.160 I'm saying this to tell you.
00:22:11.880 There are certain things I don't compromise.
00:22:14.200 America has to realize the future of war is going to be very, very different.
00:22:18.620 Very, very different.
00:22:19.940 We don't just want our brilliant folks to go join Anthropic Open AI.
00:22:24.020 We also want our brilliant folks to go join the CIA.
00:22:26.880 We want our brilliant folks to go join the FBI.
00:22:29.020 We want our brilliant folks to go join the military.
00:22:31.340 We need MI in the military. 0.99
00:22:33.020 God knows we need a lot of it right now because shit's getting real. 0.99
00:22:35.940 So this isn't a parent needs to be able to say, I got a smart kid. 0.99
00:22:38.960 Hey, let me tell you, you go in the military, go MI, move up, go CIA, go FBI,
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