Valuetainment - May 28, 2025


＂Are You A Christian？＂ - Jordan Peterson's Jubilee Debate BACKFIRES On Faith & Marriage


Episode Stats

Length

25 minutes

Words per Minute

205.41122

Word Count

5,155

Sentence Count

374

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

16


Summary

In this episode, Rob and Adam discuss Jordan Peterson's controversial interview with a young man who asks him if he's a Christian. Adam and Rob discuss what they think about the interview and if they think Jordan should have said yes or no.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Jordan Peterson, Rob, if you got this clip, I just want to get your reaction to it.
00:00:03.320 Jordan Peterson, over the last 10 years, has gotten billions of views online.
00:00:07.260 He's one of the most watched influencers.
00:00:09.800 He'll put events together.
00:00:11.460 Thousands of people will show up and pay to watch this man speak.
00:00:14.600 He's had a lot of influence over young men, wrote 12 Rules for Life that sold millions
00:00:19.220 on top of millions of copies, has been very successful, made a lot of money.
00:00:22.800 But they do this Jubilee thing that he sits down with this other young man.
00:00:26.980 And, you know, look, kudos to anybody that goes here because you're being targeted by 20 people
00:00:31.580 that have all been researching to put you in your place and have an opportunity for a video like this
00:00:36.760 that we don't know who you are and all the eyeballs come and you get a bunch of attention, right?
00:00:40.840 Here's him and Jordan Peterson speaking.
00:00:43.220 Go ahead, Rob, and play the clip.
00:00:44.780 Is that relevant?
00:00:45.580 Because you go to a Catholic church, don't you?
00:00:47.000 You've attended recently.
00:00:48.020 You're interested in Catholicism, aren't you?
00:00:49.720 Sure.
00:00:50.120 All right.
00:00:50.680 Are you familiar with their doctrines?
00:00:52.400 Somewhat.
00:00:52.920 Okay.
00:00:53.300 You're familiar.
00:00:54.500 How do they regard Mary?
00:00:56.120 Why are you asking me that?
00:00:57.520 Because you're a Christian.
00:00:59.420 You say that.
00:01:00.440 I haven't claimed that.
00:01:01.640 Oh, what is this?
00:01:02.300 Is this Christians versus atheists?
00:01:04.540 I don't know.
00:01:05.480 You don't know where you are right now.
00:01:06.920 Don't be a smartass.
00:01:08.160 Well, either you're a Christian or you're not.
00:01:09.980 Because I won't talk to you if you're a smartass.
00:01:11.160 Oh, either you're a Christian or you're not.
00:01:12.960 Which one is it?
00:01:14.320 I could be either of them, but I don't have to tell you.
00:01:16.720 You could be you.
00:01:17.520 You don't have to tell me.
00:01:18.680 I was under the impression I was invited to talk to a Christian.
00:01:22.120 Am I not talking to a Christian?
00:01:23.920 No, you were invited to.
00:01:26.160 I think everyone should look at the title of the YouTube channel.
00:01:28.480 You're probably in the wrong YouTube video.
00:01:30.460 You're really quite something you are.
00:01:31.940 Aren't I?
00:01:32.400 But you're really quite nothing, right?
00:01:34.120 You're not a Christian.
00:01:34.640 Okay, I'm done with him.
00:01:40.520 What do you think about that?
00:01:41.820 I mean, if I'm being real, I'm really disappointed.
00:01:44.700 We got a guy who's helped millions to see value and order, discipline, family, tradition.
00:01:50.920 And then you pull back on the one foundation that you come from, okay?
00:01:55.580 He's lectured on biblical stories like he's Moses.
00:01:59.020 And then the guy just asks you, are you a Christian?
00:02:02.320 There's, I don't care, Catholic, Protestant.
00:02:04.840 Protestant, are you a Christian because you've been claiming and you're preaching it that you are?
00:02:09.640 Why have that moment?
00:02:10.920 What are you scared of?
00:02:12.040 Why?
00:02:13.080 Now you've confused the shit.
00:02:14.340 Tommy, am I, you know what I mean?
00:02:16.180 You can't talk about the power of the Bible and logos and Christianity and Jesus Christ and claim all this.
00:02:22.480 And then when the moment happens, and I think that kid, whoever this kid is, won this freaking debate to where you have to say, I don't want to talk to you anymore.
00:02:30.460 You lose it right there.
00:02:31.540 Why don't you say that you're a Christian?
00:02:33.220 What are you scared of?
00:02:34.280 Well, what's funny is because originally when they uploaded this video on Jubilee, it was, the title was One Christian versus 20 Atheists.
00:02:42.380 Then they changed the title to Jordan Peterson versus 20 Atheists.
00:02:46.500 Okay.
00:02:46.740 Did you get that?
00:02:47.400 Yeah.
00:02:47.740 Okay.
00:02:48.360 You want me to say that one more time?
00:02:49.420 So originally it was One Christian, which is who?
00:02:51.880 Jordan Peterson versus 20 Atheists.
00:02:54.740 And then they changed it to Jordan Peterson versus 20 Atheists because he said, how do you know if I'm a Christian?
00:03:01.280 I mean, that change took place.
00:03:03.380 But Adam, how did you see this between Jordan Peterson and this young kid?
00:03:07.360 Yeah, only in the modern day of the internet and soundbites can a kid who's likely done nothing with his life, nothing with his life, probably in college so far,
00:03:18.980 come in and own one of the greatest philosophers, speakers, doctors of our time, Jordan Peterson.
00:03:26.960 Now, Jordan Peterson probably should have had a better answer.
00:03:29.980 I don't know his religion.
00:03:31.840 It's not for me to comment on.
00:03:34.420 He is who he is.
00:03:35.920 But this kid has gone famous now for owning Jordan Peterson.
00:03:41.700 I would have loved to have seen the rest of the discussion.
00:03:44.460 I would love to see if there was any productivity of having a conversation like this.
00:03:49.500 But for Jordan Peterson's his entire career to be, you know, stompled on by this kid who just wants to basically dunk on Jordan Peterson and say, you stand for nothing or whatever he said, is just sort of testament to where we're living today, where a kid can go famous and viral for basically dunking on a great thinker when a great thinker doesn't necessarily want to argue with a meaningless child.
00:04:16.200 But you're assuming it, Adam, because Jesus Christ didn't mince words.
00:04:20.620 In Matthew, Tom, chapter 10, verse 33, he said, but whoever denies me before men would also deny him before my father who was in heaven.
00:04:28.720 It's not a riddle.
00:04:29.660 It's a line in the sand.
00:04:30.540 You can't play neutral when it comes to Christ.
00:04:32.860 And I don't care what moment he's having or how philosophical.
00:04:36.500 And yes, he's a great mind.
00:04:37.620 But Jesus Christ didn't suffer and die so he could treat faith like a philosophy class, because that's not how it is, Adam.
00:04:44.000 Either you're all in or you're one of these sideline poop talkers.
00:04:47.660 And I'm just not a fan of it.
00:04:48.960 Tom, your thoughts.
00:04:49.960 I don't understand the premise.
00:04:51.580 If he's not a Christian, then he doesn't have to.
00:04:54.400 No, he is a Christian.
00:04:56.480 But when you're on the spot and you're saying it, why not say it?
00:04:59.820 He said.
00:05:00.960 Tom, your thoughts.
00:05:01.620 So I think Jordan Peterson missed a wonderful opportunity because, you know, what's interesting is if you're going to do a debate with people on anything, right, anything, you know, baseball people 10 years ago debating about designated hitters, should it be in both leagues?
00:05:17.560 If you go into a debate on anything at all and you hit the other person on the head, you're going to get nowhere.
00:05:25.140 And in when sharing about faith and when talking about faith, he missed an opportunity because this young man told them what he was thinking.
00:05:35.800 He said, aren't you concerned with you?
00:05:38.440 Are you familiar with some of the doctrines of Catholicism?
00:05:41.020 And all you have to say is, yes, I'm a Christian and I understand the teachings of Jesus Christ and I know why I believe them.
00:05:46.940 Can you share with me what your foundation is and why you believe that?
00:05:51.460 That's a non-offensive question asking the other person to level set.
00:05:54.620 And then you can walk into apologetics and talk about the very beautiful message that is present.
00:06:00.720 And there are many examples given in the Bible of how to debate this.
00:06:05.540 Paul, the apostle Paul, went to Rome.
00:06:07.900 And when he was in Rome, he walked around and he found an altar.
00:06:12.100 And it was the Romans that that age were very superstitious.
00:06:15.240 They had Roman gods for everything.
00:06:18.280 And they had gods for why there was thunder and why there was rain and all kinds of other things.
00:06:23.280 And he comes up to them.
00:06:24.820 And because they're superstitious, maybe they missed one.
00:06:27.380 They had the thing that said to the tomb.
00:06:29.040 No, an altar to the unknown God.
00:06:31.780 So they're saying, and just in case we missed one, we don't want you to be upset.
00:06:35.540 Here's your altar.
00:06:36.440 And here's where we are.
00:06:37.640 And he said, might I tell you about one you don't know?
00:06:41.880 And the people were curious and they engaged in debate.
00:06:44.560 And they said, many understood and believed.
00:06:47.060 So when you have an opportunity like this, I think Jordan Peterson missed the boat.
00:06:52.600 What is the problem in saying, yes, I'm a Christian and here's why I believe what I believe.
00:06:57.340 I'm interested in you.
00:06:58.880 Why do you believe what you believe?
00:07:00.520 Let's talk through a couple of these things.
00:07:02.300 Instead, you set it all up.
00:07:04.160 And the curiosity I had, was it set up as a kind of an internet debate roundtable to get sparks and to bring on views?
00:07:11.980 I don't know what the premise of it was.
00:07:13.560 I'm not the producer and I haven't really studied it.
00:07:16.060 But this could have been done so much better for the benefit of the young man that was sitting there so that he could have understood.
00:07:23.080 Yeah, I have a different opinion.
00:07:24.460 I mean, what did he do most of his career?
00:07:28.300 He did what?
00:07:28.860 He was a professor.
00:07:29.520 He was a teacher.
00:07:30.480 And what kind of people did he deal with?
00:07:32.740 Exactly like that kid.
00:07:34.180 Think about what he taught.
00:07:35.580 He dealt with kids like that.
00:07:37.520 And he's probably sitting there profiling this kid and is like, dude, what are you talking about?
00:07:41.460 You know how many tens of thousands of conversations I've had with someone like you?
00:07:44.520 However, if you've got a position, take the position.
00:07:47.440 Rob, is this another one clip that happened from the same episode?
00:07:51.960 Yeah, from the same two.
00:07:52.660 Okay, let's watch this one here.
00:07:57.360 Can you go back a little bit?
00:07:58.820 We didn't hear the first part.
00:08:00.220 Yeah.
00:08:01.220 Do you believe in the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good notion of God?
00:08:04.340 What do you mean by believe?
00:08:06.540 Do you think it to be true?
00:08:08.520 That's the circular definition.
00:08:10.420 What do you mean when you say you believe?
00:08:12.560 How is that circular?
00:08:13.460 Because you added no content to the answer by substituting the word true and believe.
00:08:21.000 I said you think it to be true.
00:08:22.540 All right.
00:08:22.960 So if you believe something, you stake your life on it.
00:08:27.040 What do you mean by that?
00:08:28.820 You live for it, and you die for it.
00:08:32.500 Okay.
00:08:32.780 So you're saying that you don't believe something if you wouldn't die for it?
00:08:36.220 Not really, no.
00:08:37.360 Okay.
00:08:38.080 How would you define belief?
00:08:39.600 Something you say?
00:08:40.700 Can I explain?
00:08:41.560 I could believe it is the case that this pen exists, but if someone threatened my life,
00:08:45.560 I would lie in order to be able to save my life.
00:08:48.860 I think you would do that, too.
00:08:50.380 You wouldn't lie to save your life?
00:08:51.260 Don't be so sure.
00:08:52.600 You wouldn't lie to save your life?
00:08:53.860 How much do you know about me?
00:08:56.040 I didn't lie to save my career.
00:08:58.180 I didn't lie to save my clinical practice.
00:09:01.240 Would you lie to save your children, your mom, your dad?
00:09:03.860 I don't think lying would save them.
00:09:06.160 Can there ever be a circumstance, logically, that lying could save someone's life?
00:09:09.620 Yeah, and if you're steeped in sin, you're likely to live in circumstances like that.
00:09:13.760 I'll give you an example.
00:09:14.520 If you're in Nazi Germany, and it is the case that there's Jewish people in your attic,
00:09:18.780 and you're trying to protect them, would you lie to the Nazis?
00:09:21.720 I would have done everything I bloody well could, so I wouldn't be in that situation to begin with.
00:09:26.300 It's a hypothetical, and it's not answerable.
00:09:27.960 You can't answer hypotheticals?
00:09:29.600 No, I can't answer a hypothetical like that, because it's fine.
00:09:32.100 Did you eat today?
00:09:33.820 Did you eat today?
00:09:34.460 Don't play games.
00:09:35.160 I'm not playing games.
00:09:35.660 Yes, you are.
00:09:36.420 I just told you I would do everything that I could to make sure that I'm never in that situation.
00:09:43.920 By the time you've got there, you've made so many mistakes that there's nothing you can do that isn't a sin.
00:09:50.160 Being born in Nazi Germany and trying to protect people that you care about,
00:09:53.680 like there could be a Jewish friend that you have, and you want to protect them.
00:09:56.160 I think you should just give up on that line of questioning.
00:09:59.060 But like, again, you're not answering this hypothetical,
00:10:01.260 because you know it shows that you clearly would lie to save someone's life.
00:10:03.060 I'm answering it in a manner of you don't find,
00:10:05.920 acceptable.
00:10:07.240 Obviously, because I care about truth.
00:10:08.460 I wouldn't be in that scenario.
00:10:10.240 Obviously, right?
00:10:11.140 Logically, because that's already happened.
00:10:12.840 Like, that's in the past.
00:10:13.640 You don't have a time travel device.
00:10:15.240 I don't get the argument.
00:10:16.500 So wait a minute.
00:10:17.160 The kid is making a point, Pat, by saying,
00:10:19.500 let's say you were a German person in Germany, during Nazi Germany,
00:10:23.440 and you're harboring a Jewish family to save them.
00:10:26.800 That's a very hypothetical.
00:10:28.340 But Jordan Peterson's argument is,
00:10:30.160 I would never put myself in that situation.
00:10:32.020 No, he's missing the point completely.
00:10:34.540 He's saying, what if you were that German family?
00:10:37.660 If you're, it doesn't make, he's not making any sense in that argument.
00:10:40.820 Tom, did you understand the argument he was making?
00:10:42.520 Yeah, what the kid was trying to do was basically called the sin entrapment.
00:10:47.440 And he's trying to get him to admit that he would lie.
00:10:50.840 And he said, oh, so lying is a sin, so you have to lie to do this or that.
00:10:55.620 Whereas you're talking about being faced with great evil.
00:10:59.660 And if you read in the Old Testament,
00:11:02.920 there is an example of a woman who lied to Pharaoh's hitmen
00:11:07.820 and sent them off in the wrong direction
00:11:09.620 so that other people could proceed on God's mission over here.
00:11:14.220 And so, would I have lied about people being in the attic?
00:11:19.420 Yeah, you have Schindler and you have Anne Frank
00:11:21.320 and you have all the stories of everything and what happened over there.
00:11:24.020 And the kid was, I feel like, trying to put this in a corner.
00:11:26.980 But then Jordan Peterson was almost kind of losing his composure
00:11:31.080 and losing his patience.
00:11:32.900 And I kind of agree with what you said a few minutes ago, Pat.
00:11:35.640 It's like, you are example number six.
00:11:38.340 And I have seen so many of you kids who are example number six
00:11:41.780 and I'm not even going to listen to it.
00:11:43.580 And no, you know what?
00:11:45.280 You know what?
00:11:46.420 There's a great verse in the Bible.
00:11:48.560 And it says how Jesus put his hand on a man
00:11:51.120 and it said Jesus sighed because he was tired.
00:11:54.620 But you know what he did that day?
00:11:56.000 He still did what he was intended to do.
00:11:57.920 And he healed the guy.
00:11:58.940 But it said he sighed.
00:12:00.100 And you could just see him going, be healed.
00:12:03.180 It means he was tired and there's a lot going on in life.
00:12:05.620 And what I think is going on there,
00:12:07.340 it appeared that Jordan Peterson was out of patience.
00:12:12.240 You kind of lost his composure a little bit.
00:12:15.300 And at a time where you really need to call into the peace of God
00:12:19.080 so that you can present these things to people who are doubters
00:12:23.400 and see if you can win, you know, not win a point.
00:12:28.200 It's not about winning or losing,
00:12:29.760 but maybe bring them to a level of understanding
00:12:32.760 or bring something forward to them
00:12:34.380 because they came in armed to kind of point you
00:12:37.660 in one or two directions.
00:12:39.220 And guess what?
00:12:40.000 That's fine.
00:12:40.680 Adam, your thoughts.
00:12:42.720 So, you know, Jordan Peterson,
00:12:46.080 this moral question of whether you should lie to save a life,
00:12:51.020 whether you're in Nazi Germany
00:12:52.240 or whether you're in modern day America,
00:12:55.520 preserving life and saving a life
00:12:57.760 overrides all other perceived sins by far.
00:13:03.440 So, to me, it's not even a question.
00:13:05.060 Yes, you lie, cheat, and steal to save your kid's life,
00:13:09.360 to save your wife's life, to save your own life.
00:13:12.780 It's a non-starter for me.
00:13:14.380 Yes, you lie in that case.
00:13:16.440 Just like Oskar Schindler lied thousands of times
00:13:19.480 to save thousands of lives.
00:13:22.100 It's a non-question to me.
00:13:24.660 But Adam, but what...
00:13:25.820 I'm sorry, go ahead.
00:13:26.440 As far as what Jordan Peterson is doing,
00:13:28.500 I don't know if this is a good look for him or a bad look.
00:13:31.460 I think it's an obvious bad look
00:13:34.700 for someone who's basically made a name for himself over decades
00:13:38.780 to basically be dismantled
00:13:40.980 by a group of young, pompous, freaking atheists.
00:13:44.860 Cool.
00:13:45.520 But then on the bright side,
00:13:46.940 there's going to be an entire new audience
00:13:48.640 of teenagers and 20-somethings who go,
00:13:51.480 who is this guy?
00:13:52.860 Jordan Peterson.
00:13:53.920 And they're going to find out about his books.
00:13:55.780 And they're going to find out about his speeches.
00:13:57.280 They're going to find out about what he believes.
00:13:59.720 So he almost needs to, in my humble opinion,
00:14:02.800 reinvent himself for the modern Gen Z culture.
00:14:06.400 Because everyone who is in their 30s and above
00:14:09.060 has heard of Jordan Peterson in my perception.
00:14:12.040 So Jordan is a very smart, but also emotional man.
00:14:17.420 I've seen him cry on camera too many times to mention.
00:14:21.300 EBD, I know you've had an experience with this.
00:14:23.160 So I don't know what he's dealing with right now,
00:14:25.920 but he's one of the greats.
00:14:27.700 He's one of the goats,
00:14:28.460 especially in the modern internet podcast culture.
00:14:32.840 And I wish him the best.
00:14:34.100 But the question was, Adam, twice.
00:14:36.080 And yes, these are atheists.
00:14:37.260 And number one, you know what you're getting into.
00:14:40.020 You don't go to a wedgie contest
00:14:41.980 and then you get a wedgie and you're like,
00:14:43.500 what the hell's going on?
00:14:44.600 He's going to a debate with atheists.
00:14:48.040 And if you're going to claim you're a Christian,
00:14:50.000 he'll say things like,
00:14:50.880 I act as if God exists.
00:14:52.040 I'm afraid he might exist.
00:14:53.680 That's not a confession of faith.
00:14:55.300 That's a hedge bet.
00:14:56.440 And I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be preacher guy.
00:14:58.360 You know what I mean?
00:14:58.700 I'm not talking the talk.
00:14:59.640 I'm walking the walk
00:15:00.280 and I'm trying to live that life
00:15:01.880 and I'm trying to be a better person.
00:15:03.240 If you're going to be that guy,
00:15:04.920 say it, admit it, okay?
00:15:07.200 I'm a Christian and that's it, Tom.
00:15:09.420 There's no if, ands, or what's about it.
00:15:11.320 I'm not as knowledgeable as you.
00:15:12.720 I'm not as smart and philosophical as Jordan Peterson.
00:15:17.320 But Adam, this isn't a sideline thing, bro.
00:15:19.520 When it comes to Christ,
00:15:20.440 you're either all in, if you believe in him
00:15:22.520 and you are a Christian,
00:15:24.000 either you're all in or you're not.
00:15:26.240 There's none of this,
00:15:27.440 oh, well, these people, I'm going to hang out with them.
00:15:29.240 I'm going to be over here.
00:15:29.940 No, I don't, it's not that, Pat.
00:15:31.500 What do you think?
00:15:32.460 Yeah, no, to me, he looks upset.
00:15:35.400 He looks agitated.
00:15:36.500 He looks annoyed.
00:15:39.020 And by the way, it happens to many of us
00:15:41.020 when you're sitting in a place like that
00:15:42.500 and you're not going to be a robot.
00:15:44.960 Even when Trump was asking the question,
00:15:47.260 saying, hey, so what are you going to be doing
00:15:49.380 if Putin doesn't listen?
00:15:50.420 You think I'm going to tell you?
00:15:51.460 You think I'm going to tell you fake news?
00:15:53.600 You know, nobody hears a machine and a robot.
00:15:56.340 However, in a situation like that,
00:15:59.000 when you're sitting with someone in your mind
00:16:00.580 trying to debate an atheist,
00:16:02.100 like, I don't know how long it's going to take
00:16:03.380 for this guy to realize it.
00:16:04.320 Because typically, faith is a experience of life.
00:16:08.720 Something's happening to you
00:16:09.880 and going through a journey.
00:16:10.940 I mean, you saw a story recently
00:16:12.540 that talks about Joe Rogan's been going to church.
00:16:14.380 Oh, beautiful.
00:16:14.840 What do you mean Joe Rogan's been going to church?
00:16:16.880 Yeah, Joe Rogan's been going to church.
00:16:18.440 You know, I think this happened after, you know,
00:16:22.080 Wes Huff, you know, you were telling me yesterday
00:16:23.920 with ex-atheist, Joe Rogan makes major life changes
00:16:27.260 after revelations on Podcast Sparks,
00:16:29.560 resurgence of Christianity.
00:16:32.080 How did that happen?
00:16:33.740 Did that happen accidentally?
00:16:35.700 Did that happen to a 22-year-old man?
00:16:37.980 You think Joe's had a lot of deep conversations
00:16:40.180 with a lot of powerful people around the world
00:16:42.040 and met a lot of weird people?
00:16:43.940 You think the best podcasts Joe Rogan's ever done
00:16:46.160 are the podcasts that you've seen on Spotify
00:16:48.660 or Apple or YouTube?
00:16:50.300 No, the best podcasts Joe Rogan's ever done
00:16:52.500 were never recorded, were never televised,
00:16:55.280 were never put on a outfit.
00:16:57.480 You don't think he's had enough people
00:16:59.020 that are on the atheist side
00:17:00.120 try to convince them otherwise?
00:17:01.540 Why is he not looking at it at this age?
00:17:03.400 He's had the most money he's ever had.
00:17:05.180 It's not like he is, you know, going through something.
00:17:07.220 He's famous, he's got money, he's family,
00:17:09.240 everything's good, and you're going through that.
00:17:11.180 So this process of a person thinking they know it all
00:17:15.200 when they're 23 years old, coming out of college,
00:17:17.220 getting a tattoo that says whatever on it
00:17:19.620 with the little, you know, I don't know if you saw
00:17:21.080 that little fatty that had a tattoo there.
00:17:23.080 You know, you see these types of things that happen
00:17:25.740 and then you're like, you know what?
00:17:27.100 One day I'm going to grow out of it.
00:17:28.840 I'll never forget, I'm at my army unit,
00:17:30.660 I'm there at the tattoo shop
00:17:32.660 about to get a tattoo of a cobra on my chest.
00:17:35.220 Yes!
00:17:36.220 And I'm like, man, I want to get this cobra.
00:17:38.720 Why do you want to get a cobra?
00:17:39.600 Because my unit at 228 Fort Jackson was called the Cobras.
00:17:44.560 And he's like, it's going to cost you $200.
00:17:45.940 I'm like, dude, I only got $80.
00:17:46.940 I can't do it.
00:17:48.000 You realize if I had an additional $120,
00:17:50.160 I would have had a cobra tattooed on my chest.
00:17:51.580 That would have been sick, Pat.
00:17:52.660 That would have not been sick.
00:17:53.940 I would have been sitting here explaining myself why.
00:17:55.960 I would have slithered at you.
00:17:57.100 Yeah, but you know what the moral of the story is?
00:17:59.680 When you're young, you do some dumb shit
00:18:02.560 and you think you know it all.
00:18:03.840 Yeah.
00:18:04.340 And sometimes it takes life to really beat the living crap out of you
00:18:07.540 to grow up and say, maybe I got to start looking at some of this stuff.
00:18:11.200 Maybe I have to realize that, you know, how did this kid happen?
00:18:14.380 This is a full-on miracle.
00:18:15.720 Go watch a couple deliveries and see what takes place and what God does.
00:18:18.940 Go through life and experience some of the things.
00:18:21.040 You realize, maybe I don't know it all, man.
00:18:23.120 Maybe this whole thing about the only thing I know is that I know nothing.
00:18:27.640 Like the more you're growing up, I think Socrates said that on his deathbed,
00:18:30.540 if I'm not mistaken.
00:18:31.560 We're all learning.
00:18:32.520 We're all getting better, just like these 20 people,
00:18:34.320 as well as Jordan Peterson.
00:18:36.200 He's also going through it as well.
00:18:37.680 And you know, who knows what he's going through?
00:18:39.100 But this definitely, when you do something like this,
00:18:43.520 I don't know if losing your cool.
00:18:45.700 By the way, you know how simple this could be?
00:18:47.860 We had a rule in our office.
00:18:49.280 Say you're giving a speech today to 50 people
00:18:51.840 that are coming to us to do business with us.
00:18:53.940 Say Adam's giving a speech.
00:18:55.080 You know what the rule was?
00:18:55.860 What?
00:18:56.500 Whoever's the speaker that's speaking to guests and clients today,
00:19:00.460 no one go tell him bad news before he hits the stage.
00:19:03.940 We had a basic rule.
00:19:05.360 Like let's just say something very bad happened.
00:19:07.420 It's like don't go.
00:19:09.540 Why'd you give him bad news?
00:19:10.740 Yeah, it ruins the flow.
00:19:11.340 And then he gets on stage and he's pissed off.
00:19:13.600 Something bad could have happened literally 30 minutes before he went in there.
00:19:16.440 You're right.
00:19:16.900 That pissed him off and mom called him, wife called him,
00:19:18.460 somebody called him and he got pissed off going in there like,
00:19:20.660 you know what, what the fuck, what's up?
00:19:22.240 And then he puts it on those people.
00:19:23.540 No one knows.
00:19:24.000 Anyways, you're a professional.
00:19:25.220 You should be above it.
00:19:26.300 Let's move to the next story.
00:19:27.260 I think, Adam, you were going to ask something?
00:19:29.200 I just want to get, I know this, we'll go real quick,
00:19:31.220 but one of the greatest things PBD has ever done to me is say,
00:19:34.800 Adam, get closer to God.
00:19:37.020 And whatever religion you are, you know, I love what you say about, you know,
00:19:42.820 getting married is hard.
00:19:43.720 Not getting married is riskier, is harder.
00:19:47.800 Not having kids is risky.
00:19:49.540 Having, not having kids is riskier.
00:19:51.400 Not following God is risky.
00:19:53.780 Not believing in God is riskier.
00:19:55.300 My question is this, because I've moved in this direction.
00:19:58.060 I've seen Vinny move in this direction.
00:19:59.400 And I know Tom has changed lives for, for followers of Christ.
00:20:05.500 My question is this, you remember when I went to the Jerusalem and I went to
00:20:10.600 the Armenian church and I sent you those videos and I got you the gifts from
00:20:15.420 Jerusalem, from the Armenian church.
00:20:17.840 It had me thinking, I said, man, like, all right,
00:20:21.400 what's the difference between the Armenian church and the, the Vatican and the
00:20:26.720 Roman Catholic church and Eastern Orthodox.
00:20:29.400 And, and, you know, I went to high school in Miami and it was a Presbyterian
00:20:33.500 high school.
00:20:34.200 And then I have friends who are Mormon and Protestant, evangelical, Lutheran,
00:20:39.540 Methodist, Anglican.
00:20:41.280 Neither is the names I'm thinking of Jehovah's witness in Egypt.
00:20:44.860 There's Coptic Christians, Anglican Baptist.
00:20:49.620 Isn't it all just, you have to be a follower of Christ.
00:20:51.920 If you're, if you're a Christian,
00:20:54.080 why are there so many different sects to Christianity?
00:20:57.900 You're asking me the question.
00:20:59.780 I'm asking just the general question is maybe Jordan Peterson isn't a quote
00:21:04.180 unquote Christian.
00:21:05.200 He's just a believer in God.
00:21:07.580 So my, that's my question to the, to the group.
00:21:10.360 What's the difference with all these religions and does do it, does it have to be
00:21:14.140 partitioned into all these different segments?
00:21:17.260 Aren't you just supposed to be a follower of Christ?
00:21:19.500 Isn't that the whole conversation?
00:21:21.040 I think now you're going to, you know, we believe the baptism is under what we believe
00:21:27.560 it's with the drop of the water.
00:21:28.880 No, we believe it's this and we believe it's these, you know, changes that they make on
00:21:34.820 small things that they add.
00:21:35.960 Some of them have more rituals than others.
00:21:37.600 And there's a very much of a high retention rate to a organization that causes their members
00:21:44.500 to have rituals versus those who don't, because if it's rituals, you're thinking about it more
00:21:48.180 than another faith is thinking about it.
00:21:50.400 So the other faith that's not thinking about it, the other sect that's not thinking about
00:21:53.760 it as much, they're not as disciplined.
00:21:55.160 And if you notice Muslims, you know, no matter what's going on, they're praying.
00:21:58.560 Some of them are praying.
00:21:59.540 God knows how many times a day that forces you to be more disciplined, to be thinking
00:22:03.500 about your God, to be thinking about your faith.
00:22:05.740 So that's a whole different topic.
00:22:08.160 That's a two, three hour podcast that I don't think.
00:22:11.560 Yeah.
00:22:12.000 I don't think it's something we need to get into, but I think.
00:22:14.300 And I get that.
00:22:15.000 But maybe that's what Jordan Peterson was thinking is don't define me by a specific.
00:22:19.040 I get that.
00:22:19.980 But if you're sitting with that audience, if you're sitting with that audience, you have to sit
00:22:24.940 there and like, let's just say if I sat down and there's 20 of the guys and we're talking
00:22:28.240 business, well, you know, capitalism, all they care about is this.
00:22:31.600 Have you ever started a business?
00:22:32.700 I have.
00:22:33.300 How many employees do you have?
00:22:34.620 Who has ever quit on you, stolen from you?
00:22:36.880 Nobody ever.
00:22:37.600 You haven't ever built a business yet.
00:22:39.140 You're small.
00:22:39.740 So you're kind of going through that moment of conversation versus who, do you have a
00:22:46.040 job?
00:22:46.320 Yes.
00:22:46.480 Who pays you?
00:22:47.140 Boom.
00:22:47.340 What company is it?
00:22:48.120 Boom.
00:22:48.220 Who was the founder?
00:22:49.280 You think they lost?
00:22:50.040 Let's go look them up right now.
00:22:51.220 You think that person went through a divorce?
00:22:52.480 You think that person went through some challenges?
00:22:53.820 I think it's got to be that giving the perspective versus automatically jumping to conclusion,
00:22:59.100 losing patience to not allow them to be sitting there saying, wow, you know, I like the way
00:23:05.780 he handled me, that he got me to think about it.
00:23:08.160 You know, it's like that one video.
00:23:09.240 What is that one video we show where this man keeps going to this man that's talking about
00:23:13.020 Jesus loves you?
00:23:14.060 Shut the fuck up.
00:23:14.940 Have you guys ever seen this clip?
00:23:16.320 With the black guy?
00:23:17.360 Yeah.
00:23:17.800 Yeah.
00:23:17.900 Yeah.
00:23:18.020 Yeah.
00:23:18.260 Yeah.
00:23:18.340 Homeless guy.
00:23:18.860 Did we show this on a podcast a couple of weeks ago?
00:23:21.280 I don't remember.
00:23:21.680 Rob, did we show this on a podcast?
00:23:22.680 Like, oh my God, you have to see this thing.
00:23:25.580 Oh, I almost don't want to even show it because he's disrespecting him the entire time.
00:23:29.560 Does he use some choice words, Vinny?
00:23:31.640 I think he used some choice words.
00:23:32.920 He does a couple, but they might have bleeped it all.
00:23:34.560 I'm helping.
00:23:34.860 Look.
00:23:35.200 So yeah, it's...
00:23:35.860 And then all of a sudden, you see, he asks him, hey man, can I just pray for you?
00:23:41.380 Pray for you.
00:23:41.700 Can I just pray for you?
00:23:42.720 You mind if I pray for you?
00:23:43.960 Let me pray for you.
00:23:44.680 And it's silent.
00:23:45.180 And then eventually, the white man is probably in his mid-50s, the mid-40s.
00:23:51.520 I don't know how old he is.
00:23:52.560 He looks a little bit younger.
00:23:53.520 You showed me this clip.
00:23:54.820 If you can't find it, maybe Humberto's texting us saying that he found it.
00:23:58.880 Let me see if that's the one that he's texting.
00:24:00.380 No.
00:24:01.060 If you find it, we'll show it.
00:24:02.160 You text it to me somewhere.
00:24:03.180 But it was great.
00:24:03.900 Anyways, the moral of the story is, at the end of it, the guy says, can I just pray for you?
00:24:09.120 And he says, you know what?
00:24:09.940 I appreciate that.
00:24:11.360 No one's...
00:24:11.700 I appreciate the fact that he just dropped a prayer for me.
00:24:13.700 It was a great exercise.
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