Jeffrey Epstein is a New York Times best-selling author, lawyer, and philanthropist. He has been described as the most powerful man in New York City, and one of the most influential people in the world. Jeffrey Epstein has been accused of sexual assault, conspiracy to commit perjury, and conspiracy to obstruct justice.
00:00:00.000You're not a fan of Trump. Some would even say, you know, you have you have animosity towards him, maybe even hate towards him.
00:00:08.160It's felt that way. If I watch you in the interviews, what what where does your feeling towards?
00:00:12.980Well, I don't. I mean, you know, I feel that that that Donald Trump is should not be the president of the United States.
00:00:20.780It's not is not the kind of person I would certainly elect as the president of the United States is not the kind of person who can carry out what I know to be the demands of being the president of the United States.
00:00:33.700I mean, Donald Trump, I don't hate Donald Trump. I have no personal animosity toward Donald Trump.
00:00:40.300As a matter of fact, when we get when we're together, we we get along just fine.
00:00:45.060And I've known Donald Trump for quite a long time back in in in in New York days.
00:00:52.980So, you know, I just I just I just feel that all of his his impulses as the president of the United States are ultimately damaging and.
00:01:11.020You think some of these stories of, you know, Melania, you know, how he met her and Epstein ties.
00:01:18.820You know, do you think some of these could be coming from a place because everybody tried to get him on Russia that came back.
00:01:24.740That wasn't good. Everybody tried to get him on all this stuff with 2024.
00:01:28.140Hey, here's his mugshot. And every single time it seems like it's become the next hoax and the next.
00:01:33.920So so maybe people right now are saying you really think there's any ties with Epstein and Trump?
00:01:38.760Well, I think that people need to know there are clearly ties with Epstein and Trump.
00:01:43.720I mean, the anything nefarious, nefarious, nefarious.
00:01:47.600Well, I it's how you define I don't know.
00:01:51.560This is what I know. I won't even try to define that, that they were friends for well more than a decade.
00:01:57.960Almost almost almost 15 years. They were interested.
00:02:01.780Both of them were interested primarily in in the two things they were interested in were women, girls and money, get rich, quick money stuff.
00:02:13.580And and and the girls, women, girls, they were interested in obsessively.
00:02:21.200So fetishistically, in a way, were models.
00:02:24.840And remember, this was the age of the model, supermodels, runway models, catalog models, Eastern European models and a wide population of girls who just dreamed of being models.
00:02:39.480That's what that's what that's what they saw as status.
00:02:44.600That was the thing that turned them on, I suppose.
00:02:47.840You know, Trump's interest in beauty pageants, Epstein with with Victoria's Secret girls.
00:02:56.120That's what they were in constant pursuit of.
00:03:00.340And and and then people say to me, but you don't mean to say that that Donald Trump was interested in little girls.
00:03:10.460And I and I say, I listen, I all what I know is they were interested in models.
00:03:16.120How old are models models in certainly at that point in time were anywhere from, you know, I don't know, 14 to 20, basically.
00:03:27.740I don't when I hear models, I don't think 14 to 20, I think, you know, well, then you would be incorrect in that because that's what they were.
00:03:37.180Yeah, no, I'm sure there's young models there.
00:03:39.960I'm sure there's and that's not what I'm saying.
00:03:41.880But what I'm saying is, you know, it's easy to the gossip intel when they flirt with each other.
00:03:47.880Right. So that leads to accusations and then everyone's writing about it.
00:03:52.880And the next thing, you know, like the story, you know, the story I read about Princess Diana, you know, the competition between the two.
00:03:58.560Did you share that story? Was that a story shared by somebody?
00:04:02.240I did. Would you mind sharing that story?
00:04:05.160Well, that was just the kind of, you know, they were they were deeply interested in in the royal family, both both of them.
00:04:13.720And why were they interested in the royal family? Because the royal family was a was a great social climbing vector.
00:04:20.620You remember, Donald Trump, both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein are always trying to raise money.
00:04:26.620Where do we get money from? And, you know, Donald Trump, by that point, had gone through several bankruptcies.
00:04:31.620I mean, nobody at this point is blue chip. So how do you raise money? Fairly large sums of money.
00:04:40.160Well, you raise money by knowing people who can give you access to money.
00:04:45.720How do you know those people? Well, there are lots of ways, lots of social climbing ways.
00:04:51.040But one of them, the best ways is to know someone in the royal family.
00:04:55.440So it was both Donald Trump and and Jeffrey Epstein became in a hot pursuit of access to the royal family, most successfully with Prince Andrew.
00:05:10.320But at one point, then they had this competition and it was, you know, this was this.
00:05:16.220I don't know how serious this was or how it was just to amuse them about who would be the first one to sleep with Diana.
00:05:24.220This was after the marriage to Charles had basically broken up.
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