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- April 12, 2025
"Charles Oliveira Gives Up FAST" – Ilia Topuria SLAMS UFC Legend in BRUTAL Analysis
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16 minutes
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2,748
Sentence Count
383
Misogynist Sentences
5
Hate Speech Sentences
7
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How were you found?
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Who found you?
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Who saw you fight to say, hey, come on then?
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Or did you say, I'm coming into the UFC to fight?
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No.
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So I had four fights when I started with my professional career in Spain.
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And at that point, it became very difficult to find a fight for me
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because in Spain at that point, we didn't even have any events.
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So I was like, listen, I have to do something
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because no one is going to come to me and touch my door.
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How old were you at this time?
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18.
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Okay, so 10 years ago.
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Yeah, 18.
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Okay.
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So 18, 2015.
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Yeah.
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Who's on top of the world in 2015?
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Conor's on top of the world, right?
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Is UFC, it's...
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Conor and John Jones, Josie Pierre, all, yeah.
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Those, I think.
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Who were the biggest names of UFC in 2015?
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Conor, Holly Holm, go a little bit lower.
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Ronda Rousey, Daniel Cormier, John.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Got it.
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So I'm like, I have to do something.
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I need a plan.
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Demetrius Johnson.
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Yeah.
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So you need a plan.
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So I started to talk to myself.
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I'm like, what can I do?
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And at that point, Gustafsson, Alexander Gustafsson,
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was fighting for the belt against John Jones.
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And that guy was training in Sweden,
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in All-Stars gym at that time.
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And that was the most recognized gym in Europe.
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And I'm like, I have to go there
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because I'm sure that he's manager.
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So someone is going to...
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Is it Sweden?
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In Sweden.
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In Stockholm.
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So I'm like, I need to go there
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because I know that someone is going to see me
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and the only thing I need is I need an opportunity.
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I need a fight.
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I need to prove my skills.
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Then I had the second problem
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that I didn't have enough money to travel
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because you need money to go from Spain to Sweden
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and stay there, I don't know, for two weeks, three weeks, whatever.
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So I did, I don't know, crazy things when I was 18 years old.
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I went to that place.
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I went to my first training.
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I finished the training
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and the guy who was representing everyone at that time,
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and actually he's the manager of Kamzad also,
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at this time Kamzad Chima, you know,
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he came to me and he was like,
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do you have someone that is representing you?
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And I'm like, no.
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Who did he see you train?
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Who did he see you sparred?
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That guy.
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This guy.
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Yeah, this guy saw me in the training with everyone in the mat.
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Oh, but there's not a fight that he saw you.
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He's just watching you on the mat.
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Exactly.
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He saw me training with everyone, you know.
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Purely ground, no boxing, nothing yet.
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I think we did a little bit of boxing.
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We mix it up.
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We did something in the ground.
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We did something in the striking.
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And once I finished the training,
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he came to me and he asked me like,
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do you have a manager?
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I'm like, no.
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Do you want me to represent you?
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And I'm like, this is why I came here.
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And in three weeks, he called me.
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No, in one week, he called me like,
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I have a fight for you.
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And I started my journey there
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and the rest is history.
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Who was your first fight?
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I started to fight in Finland.
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My first international fight.
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Who was it with?
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It was Mika.
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I don't remember.
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Can you look this up, Rob?
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I'm actually really curious.
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So this is...
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Watch that fight.
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I finished him in the first round.
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And then after that one,
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in three and a half weeks,
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he called me and he gave me the fight
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for the Cage Warriors World Championship.
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So this is not UFC yet?
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No, no, no, no, no.
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This is not UFC.
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Look, no.
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Mika.
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There's Mika.
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I had four fights and I went to Sweden.
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And he gave me that fight.
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Mika.
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How am I like?
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Yeah.
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Submission, guillotine choke.
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Yeah.
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And the first round.
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First round, 335.
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After that fight,
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he called me in a three and a half weeks
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or four weeks.
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Look, I fought April 28th.
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Six weeks later.
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Yeah, something like that.
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Mm-hmm.
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Then I fought June 16
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for the Cage Warriors World Championship.
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Then I was signed by Brave.
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I did two fights
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and I get the call from the UFC.
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Oh, got it.
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So your Yosef Salal is your first UFC fight.
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Yeah.
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So each one of those fights,
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back to back to back,
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it's first round.
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Go back down a little bit, Rob.
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Right there.
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Look at first round.
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Mika, 335.
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First round, 139.
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Keep going up.
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First round, 115.
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Luis Gomez.
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First round, 342.
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Steven Goncalves.
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And then you're in the UFC.
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Yeah.
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And then you win third round,
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five minutes.
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Yeah.
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I get the call.
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Oh, that's COVID.
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Yeah, that's COVID.
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I was sick.
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And they called me
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and they told me,
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do you want to fight in the UFC
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in eight days?
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And I'm like, of course.
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I had to cut like 12 kilos
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kilos.
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Kilos.
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Like, I don't know how much it's like,
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25 pounds.
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Yeah, that's a lot.
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It's a lot.
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In eight days, that's a lot.
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Holy shit.
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I had to fight at 4 p.m.
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local time in Abu Dhabi
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because they were like...
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26 pounds you had to lose
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at this weight?
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Yeah.
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In eight days.
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How'd you lose 26 in eight days?
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It's like dehydration.
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That's tough.
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That's a lot.
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On that body, that's a lot.
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I'm 245.
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If I lose 26 pounds,
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it's a lot.
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But I had to spend a day
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in the hospital
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because the UFC is asking you
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for a lot of medicals.
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Then I had to go.
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I spent a day to get my visa.
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I don't know.
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I had, in reality, five days.
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So crazy.
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So you go to UAE for the fight.
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Rob, can you go back
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to the fight list?
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So you go to UAE.
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You have that fight.
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Yeah.
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October 11th.
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I remember that.
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I watched that card.
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Yeah.
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And then I fought December 5th.
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And that's ESPN.
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Yeah.
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It's not even a main ones yet.
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No.
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And then you go to Ryan Hall, Vegas.
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And Jai Herbert.
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That's the one with the kick.
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That's the one that they gave you
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two weeks, right?
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When they called you two-week prep.
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Which one?
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The Jai Herbert?
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Yes.
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That has a huge story behind that.
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I have a huge story behind that fight
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because I was supposed to fight
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in January against Mozart of Love.
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He pulled out from the fight.
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Then I came back to home
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and they called me.
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But in reality,
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I was prepared.
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I was prepared.
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But it was a different weight class.
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I went up to 155.
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That fight is not in my weight class.
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It's in lightweight.
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So that's not 145.
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You went to 155.
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So that happens if they just call you
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to say,
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do you want to take a fight
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that's not at your weight class?
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They can make those calls?
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Yeah.
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And you get to say yes or no?
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Yeah.
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Of course.
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You always have to choose.
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Got it.
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And then after that,
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I fall with your friend.
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Bryce Mitchell.
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And then Josh.
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Yeah.
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We wish him best of luck.
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You're being sincere.
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What?
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You're being sincere
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or you're joking?
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No, no, no, no.
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I wish him all the best.
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I hope the best wins.
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Yeah.
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What a story.
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Everything started from Sweden
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in reality.
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Wow.
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You went to Sweden,
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this guy said to you.
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This is what I used to say to everyone.
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If you want to have something
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that you never had,
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you have to do things
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that you never did.
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Move your ass.
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Yeah.
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But what is very unique
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about what you're saying,
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I talked about
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a bodybuilding story earlier.
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I had a guy named Dorian Yates.
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I don't know if you know
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who Dorian Yates is.
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I'm bodybuilding.
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He won six Mr. Olympias.
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The guy had the most ridiculous physique.
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This is Dorian Yates.
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He won six Mr. Olympias.
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He's from UK.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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And what made him unique
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is all the other bodybuilders
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that would compete,
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they were all in the US
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and so they would all train
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at the same gym.
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Okay.
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So they could see
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what kind of improvement
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you're making
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because they're all here.
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Flex Wheeler,
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Kevin,
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you know,
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all the guys.
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This guy was in London,
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not even in London,
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in a city outside of London,
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like in a regular city.
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And you would only see him
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once a year.
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So everybody's like,
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well,
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is he training guard?
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Is he not training guard?
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Is he training guard?
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And then when he would come,
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he was a scientist.
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He paid attention to everything
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and he would come and dominate
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and he won six of them in a row
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because nobody could see him.
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Yeah.
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He was a real,
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real,
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um,
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a lot of people
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try to model
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their bodybuilding
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after this guy.
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He does a very,
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he lives a very different life
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right now.
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He,
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yoga.
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I don't follow that spot,
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but I know you don't.
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Who is,
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who is the,
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the number one for you
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in,
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in bodybuilding ever?
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Yeah.
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It's probably Ronnie Coleman,
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Arnold,
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uh,
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old school would be a guy
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named Lee Haney.
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Phil Heath has an incredible physique.
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Kevin Laverone,
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Flex Wheeler.
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Jay Cutler's got a good,
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good amount of following,
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but it's probably this guy,
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Ronnie Coleman.
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Uh,
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he,
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he is a,
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he's a,
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if you go to a different picture,
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Rob,
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go to images.
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And,
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and let me ask you,
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do you really think that they only,
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um,
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drink whey proteins to get this big?
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You know,
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you know,
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it's at a point that they tell you
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everything they use now.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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But they don't do drug tests.
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Like,
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no,
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not Mr.
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Olympia.
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No,
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they don't do any drug tests.
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No,
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but they,
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they put so many things in their body.
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It,
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it,
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it's a,
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it's a very,
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well,
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by the way,
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some people say like,
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you know,
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Hey,
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even if you put it in your body,
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that doesn't mean you're going to win Mr.
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Olympia.
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No,
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no,
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it's a,
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it's a lot of detail.
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It's a lot of stuff that you got to do to be,
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these guys are a diet.
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That's diet.
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By the way,
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it sucks as a life.
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It's not a good life.
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It sucks.
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It's not a good life at all.
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Like it's a very different life.
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It's not even a healthy life.
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It's not a healthy life.
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Most of them would say,
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few of them can keep it.
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Like some of the guys were able to continue their life and still do okay,
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but,
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uh,
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it's a different life.
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So the reason why I'm saying this is for you,
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here's a guy and his brother living in Georgia,
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go to Spain.
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This is not a UFC market.
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And then you guys through YouTube watching videos,
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you train independently on your own and then you come up and then fighter
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of the year undefeated.
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Now you're at a place,
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lightweight,
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about to have a big fight.
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Hopefully soon.
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We'd love to see that fight happen this year.
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Hopefully,
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hopefully.
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Crazy.
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You're waiting for that phone call,
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huh?
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I'm waiting.
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I'm waiting.
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I'm waiting.
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I'm very excited to be honest.
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Either if it's Charles or Islam,
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it's going to be a huge one.
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And I,
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I know that the fans are gonna,
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gonna enjoy a lot.
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What do you think is unique about Charles style?
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Because Charles,
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you know,
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it's history.
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It's very interesting the way he came at the beginning.
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And then he reputation,
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he changed his reputation.
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And then you would think he was going to be losing it.
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And then he won with Michael Chandler.
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And he had a few very good back to back to back wins that were
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unbelievable.
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The way he recreated himself.
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But what's your opinion on his style of fighting?
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I like him.
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Of course,
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he,
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he has a great ground game and striking.
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Nothing special for me.
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And in the ground,
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he's dangerous.
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He has the most submissions in the UFC history.
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I think so.
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Him?
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Yeah,
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I think so.
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He's a dangerous guy in the,
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in the ground,
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but I think that he's the,
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the kind of guy where that,
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when he feels that
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you are more powerful,
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he gives up.
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He gives up like fast.
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I don't think that he's the kind of fire where he finds like some,
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hmm,
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adversidad.
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How would you say that?
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Adversary?
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Yeah.
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Adversary that he keeps going,
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keeps going,
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keeps going.
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No,
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he's like,
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he gives up.
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10 losses.
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10.
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It's not one,
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two,
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three,
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four,
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five,
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six,
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seven,
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eight,
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nine.
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It's 10.
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Go to his Wikipedia rap just to see how it is because,
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you know,
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I've seen this guy's story and yeah,
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but the 10 losses,
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a lot of them are go back down.
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Submission by knockout and one by decision.
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But you wouldn't want to fight Armand?
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The one that's first place right now,
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behind the,
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I think that he needs to build himself a little bit more,
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but if the UFC tells me that,
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you're good with that as well.
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It's for the belts.
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You'll take anything right now.
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Who I am.
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You're going to get the chance.
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Got it.
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Yeah.
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It'll be,
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it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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The thing with him is he's 28 years old.
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You guys are similar ages.
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He's also young.
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Charles is 35.
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So 28,
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28.
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This would be,
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he needs one,
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two fights.
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He needs one or two fights before he fights you.
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He's Armenian,
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by the way.
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You ever fought an Armenian?
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What?
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Have you ever fought an Armenian?
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No.
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No?
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We Georgians have a great relationship with Armenians.
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Yeah.
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I have a lot of friends.
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Armenians.
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Armenians.
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You look Armenian.
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Like I,
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you know,
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when I,
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yeah,
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I mean,
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you're looking,
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you're,
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you're,
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you're a good looking Armenian is what you are.
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You're a very good looking guy,
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but obviously it's from the same region.
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My mother's side,
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they're from Baku,
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Azerbaijan.
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Azerbaijan.
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Yeah.
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Azerbaijan.
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So they,
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They all are all neighbors.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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