Valuetainment - October 23, 2019


Episode 382: John Gotti’s Hitman Exposes The Dark Side of Mafia


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 46 minutes

Words per Minute

202.74113

Word Count

21,602

Sentence Count

1,211

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

39


Summary

John A. Light is a former hitman in the John Gotti crime family. He talks about growing up in Queens, Queens and how he became a member of the Gambino Family. He also talks about how he got into the mob and his relationship with Gotti Jr.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 30 seconds, one time for the underdog, ignition sequence start, let me see you put em up, reach
00:00:09.240 the sky, turn the stars up above, cause it's one time for the underdog, one time for the
00:00:16.220 underdog.
00:00:17.320 I'm Patrick, by the way, host of Value Tim, and today I sat down with John A. Light, who
00:00:20.420 was a former hitman, yes, a hitman, to the John Gotti crime family many, many years ago,
00:00:26.300 and he talks about the dark side of mafia life.
00:00:29.040 John, thanks for coming out.
00:00:30.200 Thank you for having me, I appreciate it.
00:00:31.620 So, you know, one of the questions before we get into everything that we got, how did you
00:00:36.340 even get into having a relationship with John Gotti Jr.?
00:00:39.500 How did that connection take place with the two of you?
00:00:42.340 I grew up back in Woodhaven, Queens, Jamaica Avenue, and I grew up around the mob.
00:00:47.880 So, before Gotti Sr., Jr.'s father, took over the mob in IRE as the boss, Andy, Fat Andy
00:00:54.620 Ruggiano was the boss, who I was close with the family, with the sons, they played baseball
00:00:58.960 with him, I used to box at the same gym, and he was the Captain Gambino family that ran
00:01:04.020 our area.
00:01:04.600 When he went to prison, Sr. took over and stepped in his shoes, and that's who you start
00:01:10.040 reporting to, is whoever takes over that position.
00:01:13.480 So, the introduction was made through, what was the local community, did you kind of meet
00:01:17.520 him, were you guys friends, at what age did you meet John Gotti Jr.?
00:01:20.980 Well, Jr. and me became, we knew each other, when Jr. was about 16 years old, I was a year
00:01:28.120 older than him at 17.
00:01:29.840 We were introduced through mutual friends, said hello, goodbye, and he would come up to
00:01:34.320 Jamaica Avenue once in a while, seeing a guy named Johnny Gebbett.
00:01:38.060 Actually, he's one of the guys I ordered his murder the first week I went into prison.
00:01:41.620 I told him to hit this guy when I go to prison.
00:01:43.460 So, that was his introduction to me and him, and later on, that ended up being, I guess,
00:01:52.300 me and Jr. had that love-hate relationship since we're children.
00:01:55.860 Oh, since him 16, you 17, so right off the bat, you guys had a love-hate relationship.
00:02:00.280 Yeah, it was on his end, he needed us guys from Jamaica Avenue because he wanted to become,
00:02:06.060 he had aspirations to be like his father.
00:02:08.720 So, he wanted to meet some tough guys, and Jamaica Avenue, where we grew up, were guys
00:02:13.860 that didn't have money.
00:02:15.080 We come from a poverty-stricken area.
00:02:17.900 Where he grew up was a rich area.
00:02:20.100 So, in order for him to feel that he was being, getting his feet wet in the street, he had
00:02:25.220 to come up to Jamaica Avenue and meet me and some of my friends.
00:02:28.700 So, his initial friend was Johnny Gebbett, who was a street guy.
00:02:31.560 I mean, uh...
00:02:32.060 So, at that age, 17, was his father already the boss of the Gambino family?
00:02:38.540 Has it happened yet?
00:02:39.500 Or Paul Castellano's event hasn't taken place yet?
00:02:41.620 No, it hasn't taken place yet.
00:02:42.480 Hasn't taken place.
00:02:43.140 No, no.
00:02:43.240 Okay.
00:02:43.780 So, at this point of where you're at, the community, are you in high school at 17, or
00:02:48.860 you've already been out of school?
00:02:49.720 No, I'm in high school still.
00:02:51.560 And who are you in high school?
00:02:52.780 If I went to school with you, who's Johnny Gebbett?
00:02:55.200 Oh, it was a guy that was known to be in the gyms boxing all the time.
00:02:58.640 The Lost Battalion Hall was in the gym.
00:03:00.600 Big names at that time were at the gym.
00:03:02.800 It was David Sears, and he fought Spinks.
00:03:05.340 He got knocked out very quick, but he was a great fighter, actually.
00:03:07.900 Bert Young from Rocky owned him and managed him.
00:03:11.380 Jerry Cooney.
00:03:12.520 I did some shows with Jerry Cooney on his radio show.
00:03:15.440 So, Jerry Cooney was in that gym, same gym as me.
00:03:17.480 And Andy's, Fat Andy Ruggiano's kids.
00:03:20.920 Albert Ruggiano, great athlete and a fighter.
00:03:22.820 So, we all were in those gyms.
00:03:24.620 Billy Streamy ends up getting killed also.
00:03:26.660 Fat Andy's kids.
00:03:27.480 So, this is like the place.
00:03:29.460 This is the place.
00:03:30.400 This is the tough guy's place where you're growing up at.
00:03:33.220 Oh, no doubt.
00:03:33.960 We nicknamed our area Death Haven because most of these guys that we're going to speak about
00:03:38.180 are dead.
00:03:39.100 They all got killed.
00:03:40.280 So, you know, I'm one of the lone survivors, I guess, over the years.
00:03:43.680 And there's close to 100 guys that grew up with us in that neighborhood that lost their lives.
00:03:48.960 Now, let me ask.
00:03:49.580 You said close to 100 guys?
00:03:51.240 Yeah.
00:03:51.360 So, growing up as a kid, at what age were you forced to be tough to survive in that area?
00:03:56.360 Is it right like five, six, seven?
00:03:57.880 How soon does it start?
00:03:59.380 My father was a fanatic about fighting and not getting bullied.
00:04:03.920 So, at an early age of three years old, we were actually working out, doing push-ups,
00:04:09.200 and learning to jump rope.
00:04:10.580 Three years old.
00:04:11.240 Three years old.
00:04:12.260 And we had a regimen of routines in baseball and boxing.
00:04:15.740 Those were his two sports for us.
00:04:17.040 So, we were known, and my father was known in the area as king of the kids.
00:04:21.040 He would bring kids down and learn how to box with us.
00:04:24.000 And so, some of our childhood friends, like Timmy Donahue, he's passed away also, was also learning to fight with us.
00:04:30.640 So, my father brought us in and didn't want us to grow up in a neighborhood that was tough without being able to be tough.
00:04:36.740 So, right off the bat, you're learning how to box.
00:04:38.940 Right off the bat.
00:04:39.700 Now, your dad, who was your dad personality-wise?
00:04:42.260 Was he a gangster?
00:04:43.200 Was he connected to anybody?
00:04:44.700 Was he just a respected guy?
00:04:46.040 Was he a money guy?
00:04:47.380 Was he a worker?
00:04:48.340 Who was your pops?
00:04:48.860 My dad grew up in Rivington and Delancey Street, which is a known hub, especially back when he grew up in the 40s and 50s,
00:04:57.060 with gangsters, like Vito Genovese were down there, and guys like that, famous gangsters in those days.
00:05:03.280 So, he was a hang-around guy.
00:05:05.360 He wasn't a shooter.
00:05:06.340 He was a gambler, but he stood with all gangsters, and he was very friendly with Lucky Luciano's cousin, Charlie Luciano.
00:05:13.080 We used to call him Blackie.
00:05:14.480 So, I was introduced to him as a young kid.
00:05:16.240 So, my father was very familiar with the world of mob guys.
00:05:22.520 Was he trying to get you to stay away from the world?
00:05:25.380 Like, what's the link?
00:05:26.360 Was he kind of like, hey, you got to go out there and figure out a way to make money at all costs?
00:05:30.600 What was the conversation like between you and your pops?
00:05:32.820 No, my dad was complete opposite.
00:05:34.740 He was a gambler, a hustler, and didn't want me with the mob world.
00:05:40.200 But at the same time, he was bringing me around these guys.
00:05:43.620 So, as he's telling me, stay away, as I'm getting older, I'm getting attracted to the money, and I see my father struggling.
00:05:50.600 And I see some of these guys, and they treat me well, and, you know, I'm getting attracted to that life, and I want that life.
00:05:57.320 You wanted that life.
00:05:58.420 I wanted that life.
00:05:59.200 My father wanted me to be a pro fighter or a pro ball player, you know, a baseball player.
00:06:03.460 So, he had a different outlook on things, and he didn't think, in my father's mind, I'm very close to my dad, is to teach me to survive, for me to understand the mob world, but to be like him.
00:06:16.880 Don't go and dive into that world.
00:06:19.520 And I guess he thought that I would never dive in, I'd be like him, but it was the opposite.
00:06:23.620 I went to the extreme the other way.
00:06:25.880 You went to the extreme the other way.
00:06:27.800 Mom and dad, both Albanian?
00:06:29.540 Both Albanian.
00:06:30.100 Both Albanian.
00:06:30.620 Both Albanian.
00:06:31.020 Okay, got it.
00:06:32.080 And so, he's trying to, you know, encourage you not to get in, but at the same time, you're around the environment, you know, gambling, you're around.
00:06:39.100 And at what age are you around these folks, by the way?
00:06:41.060 Is it very, like, early, early?
00:06:42.380 Oh, I'm very young, early.
00:06:43.500 Very early.
00:06:44.140 Very early.
00:06:44.820 And are they taking a liking to you?
00:06:46.320 Like, look, you know, we like, you know, we like, is there a name?
00:06:49.000 Hey, little Johnny, Johnny, were you like somebody that was liked?
00:06:52.000 Yeah, I was a skinny little kid, but I was muscular, because I was always doing push-ups and pull-ups.
00:06:56.880 So, they used to joke, Johnny, walk on your hands, because I could stand on my hands.
00:06:59.980 Johnny, show us to do pull-ups.
00:07:01.680 And I was like a good dog doing tricks, right?
00:07:03.940 I liked the attention that I, they kept saying it was tough.
00:07:06.260 They'd show me, tell me to put their hands up, hit your hands, I'd hit their hands boxing a little bit, and they'd get a kick out of me.
00:07:12.360 And I got a kick out of them getting a kick out of me.
00:07:14.860 Interesting.
00:07:15.380 So, I continued with it.
00:07:16.400 Form of entertainment.
00:07:17.680 Form of acceptance.
00:07:18.480 So, what was the first experience of making money illegally or legally for you?
00:07:25.640 At what age?
00:07:26.820 Again, I was in an environment that it was constant trouble, and it was constant gang-related back in those days.
00:07:34.420 You know, back in those days, it was a lot of racial tension because of the times.
00:07:39.620 It was the 60s.
00:07:40.420 So, I worked in a deli, and I spoke about this, it was called Dick's Deli, and it was a legitimate job.
00:07:46.220 And in between going to box and playing baseball, I became the captain of the baseball team in high school.
00:07:51.000 So, I was working in this deli, but that deli introduced me to a couple things.
00:07:56.020 A lot of my friends that were involved with a gang called Seven and Nine that were very dangerous, and it was basically, it became a huge gang throughout all New York, not just our area.
00:08:05.360 And it introduced me to the corner shop, the car service.
00:08:09.620 It happened to be my girlfriend's father, and he was a gangster with the Lucchese family.
00:08:13.820 And around the corner was a bookmaker, which was his brother, Louis Gaddy, and George Gaddy.
00:08:19.840 And he ran the local bookmaking area and horse room.
00:08:24.480 How old were you at this time?
00:08:25.580 I remember what you were saying.
00:08:26.280 I'd get maybe 15 when I started getting involved running slips for them, innocently.
00:08:31.700 At 15?
00:08:32.320 Yeah, I'm working in Dick's Deli, and they asked me, do me a favor and run it across the street.
00:08:37.400 So, innocently, I'm not looking to get involved to that extent.
00:08:41.120 They're just guys telling me, bookmakers and some tough guys and a couple killers that later on at that age, I still don't realize they're killers.
00:08:48.740 They were humble guys, and people have the idea the loudest man in the room is the toughest, and it's the complete opposite.
00:08:56.040 The guys I've learned to look up to were guys like Charlie Luciano that were humble and quiet and gentlemen.
00:09:02.760 And those are the guys when they can turn that switch on and kill.
00:09:05.780 And I try to mimic those guys as I got older.
00:09:08.680 It's funny.
00:09:09.120 Gianni Russo also said in New York he would run.
00:09:11.240 He was a runner at 14, 15 years old for Frank Costello is what he was doing that for when he was doing certain favors for.
00:09:18.560 So, at what point were you kind of like, well, you know, I'm running, I'm doing this, but I'm seeing the lifestyle.
00:09:22.740 Maybe there's a bigger opportunity here.
00:09:24.680 Where was that opening?
00:09:26.580 Was there anything that was, you know, was it accidental?
00:09:29.200 Was it intentional?
00:09:29.920 How did it happen?
00:09:30.340 Well, I didn't have to really, after doing that, I didn't have to get any further introduction because I'm working and I'm making $75 a week in the deli.
00:09:40.940 Basically working full time for whatever minimum wage it was back then.
00:09:45.160 And if George or Louie had a good week in their runners, he tore, he was also a professional boxer, he tore, he was a gangster, and Mousy, another guy.
00:09:54.980 When they were having a good week, they tipped me $20, $50, $100.
00:09:58.440 So, at the end of the week, I'm getting $75 from the deli, and these guys may be on a good week, they're giving me $300.
00:10:04.340 And you're talking about when I'm a kid, when $300 is like $3,000.
00:10:07.640 What year is this?
00:10:08.500 This is 1975, 76, 77.
00:10:13.200 That's a lot of money right there.
00:10:14.280 A lot of money.
00:10:14.900 Yeah.
00:10:15.660 For a 14, 15-year-old kid making $300 a week on top of the $75.
00:10:20.920 So, okay, so now you meet Gotti.
00:10:22.900 You're 17, he's 16.
00:10:25.240 Where does the relationship go to, you know, come on in, let's do some more work together?
00:10:29.980 How did that happen?
00:10:30.620 How does that happen?
00:10:31.180 Well, I'm Nickel Diamond in the drug business.
00:10:34.500 Albert Ruggiano is my, you know, what you would say, umbrella, and he's a couple years older than me.
00:10:39.400 And if I had any issues, I would bring it to Albert.
00:10:42.080 At the time, his dad was still the boss.
00:10:44.560 And when his dad leaves, I'm also dabbling in a bookmaking business.
00:10:50.300 And Gebbett has a problem with Gotti on the street with some Jamaicans.
00:10:55.280 They rob, I think, about 200 or 300 pounds at that time.
00:11:00.300 Gebbett was moving weed at that time, what we call weed back then.
00:11:03.120 And Gotti was his partner.
00:11:06.000 They asked me to take a ride and be the shooter with Gebbett.
00:11:09.840 Actually, I was the driver.
00:11:10.880 Gebbett was the shooter.
00:11:12.020 And that was the first time they asked me to do a favor.
00:11:14.220 And it was really Gebbett that was asking me the favor because he lived around the corner from me.
00:11:18.440 And he was friends with Gotti and friends with me.
00:11:21.120 So he said, would you do me a favor and take the ride?
00:11:22.840 I said, yeah.
00:11:23.780 And we met Gotti to discuss how we were going to do it.
00:11:26.100 And that was probably the first major step into becoming, later on, involved in setting up multiple killings, shootings, and beatings around the city.
00:11:37.680 What was the first time the request was made?
00:11:39.780 Like, how did they know you were the guy to go to?
00:11:42.280 Had you already killed people before or had never happened before?
00:11:45.100 No, you know, most of my friends, unlike what people think, because they know my history now, they think I was a wild kid with guns and knives and bats.
00:11:53.500 It was actually the complete opposite.
00:11:54.900 All my friends are in Seven to Nine Gang.
00:11:57.560 My first friend, Michael Stratton, ends up killing a kid at 16 and going to prison.
00:12:02.580 Another young guy, Tommy Turner, kills another guy that works at Dick's Deli with us.
00:12:08.440 They try to jump him.
00:12:09.580 He stabbed the guy up.
00:12:10.920 He went to jail.
00:12:11.560 So these guys that were growing up, I mean, the Bonner brothers, they're using guns.
00:12:15.500 Everybody's using guns.
00:12:16.500 My friend Mikey Merlo gets shot in the head with a shotgun chasing a guy that had the gun.
00:12:21.920 So he'll tell you the mentality of us.
00:12:23.980 He's chasing a guy that actually has the shotgun with no gun, and he loses his life there.
00:12:29.040 So I was kind of innocent compared to them.
00:12:31.460 I wasn't running around with guns.
00:12:32.780 I was fighting with my hands.
00:12:34.780 As I'm getting acclimated with all my friends and surrounding people that are surrounded around my life,
00:12:42.860 I start slowly picking up knives, bats, and then I go into the guns.
00:12:47.700 So after that shooting with Gebbett, I think that opened the door for people to say, oh, this kid will do anything.
00:12:53.660 Got it.
00:12:54.580 So what was your first experience with knives and bats?
00:12:57.860 Was it still in your teens?
00:12:59.420 Oh, yeah, it was in my teens.
00:13:00.440 Oh, was it your teens?
00:13:01.560 By the time I'm 17, I start using a bat like crazy, too.
00:13:07.280 At 17?
00:13:08.060 17.
00:13:09.200 By the time I'm 19, I've stabbed a couple of guys, batted a couple of guys.
00:13:14.680 I got stabbed up and batted myself at 19.
00:13:17.820 I almost lost my life that year.
00:13:19.420 I was in and out of the hospitals for about a year.
00:13:21.620 And now I really understood the life.
00:13:24.720 And I started to understand, as I'm climbing up the ladder,
00:13:27.840 I'm losing my cousin, Patsy Adriano Sr. gets killed, and Mikey Merlo gets killed, and Billy Estrema gets killed.
00:13:36.360 And what is this doing to you?
00:13:38.460 When this is happening and you're seeing people that are friends, family getting killed,
00:13:43.260 are you getting the retaliatory, are you getting the retaliation blood in you or no?
00:13:46.780 You're just kind of seeing what's going on.
00:13:47.980 You've got to protect yourself.
00:13:48.780 No, I'm getting like you're doing as a journalist and as an interview person.
00:13:54.140 And you develop and you become top in your field, right?
00:13:57.120 You become somebody that's going to be the best, and you're going to do your homework,
00:14:00.020 and you're going to study, and you're going to make sure that you don't make mistakes,
00:14:04.140 and you're going to go as close as you can, as 100%, to be an expert in your business.
00:14:08.720 So I decided I'm not going to be the next victim like all my friends.
00:14:12.900 They're all getting killed out of stupidity, out of trust, and so you've got to cut those odds down.
00:14:18.600 And I said to myself, I'm going to be very aggressive, and I'm going to understand I'm not 14 or 15 or 16 anymore.
00:14:25.400 When someone comes after me, they know I'm dangerous now.
00:14:27.880 They're going to come to kill me.
00:14:29.660 Who are you trusting at that time?
00:14:32.140 Do you have people that you trust 100%?
00:14:34.980 I had a ton of guys.
00:14:36.780 As I'm getting older and I'm moving in the drug business, bookmaking business,
00:14:40.080 I have dozens of guys that work for me, and it goes into hundreds later on as I keep getting older
00:14:45.700 and I start my own crews with the OK of the Gambino family.
00:14:50.000 So I become a big earner on the street, and I become a guy that's well-known with different crews.
00:14:55.480 And I'm trusting my guys, and I'm also trusting the mob almost blindly,
00:15:00.300 believing that there's loyalty and there's honor and there's no treachery.
00:15:06.960 And I'm still naive, right?
00:15:08.380 I'm a young kid that loves this life, believes in it.
00:15:11.500 And as I start seeing some things as I'm getting older and understanding, there is no honor.
00:15:17.020 It's treachery.
00:15:17.900 There is no love.
00:15:19.100 It's only about money.
00:15:20.580 It's only about an individual surviving.
00:15:22.460 And I'm watching as I'm going through the life and getting bigger and stronger in this life
00:15:28.080 and being more successful, that I'm watching gangster made guy after made guy, you know,
00:15:33.760 cooperating, ratting, breaking the oath, our laws, our rules that I live by, although I'm Albanian.
00:15:40.060 But what was the first request that made by maybe, you know, John Jr.'s father that came down?
00:15:49.000 Did you have a meeting with John Sr.?
00:15:50.800 Have you had multiple meetings with him?
00:15:52.820 Oh, at this point, I've met Gotti Sr., Angelo Ruggiero.
00:15:56.220 I got a report to the club 24 hours a day, seven days a week when I'm called.
00:16:00.640 I have to be there early in the morning like a job.
00:16:03.300 How old are you at the same time?
00:16:04.200 18 plus?
00:16:05.140 Yeah, about 19 more so.
00:16:07.900 19, it's about the time I get stabbed up and everything.
00:16:11.660 And I don't come a couple of times and I think Gotti Sr. at this time thinks I'm just one
00:16:17.400 of his son's friends and I don't need to be there.
00:16:20.740 And I get a knock on my door and it's my grandmother upstairs, we live in the same house,
00:16:26.140 and she says, Johnny, there's a big black car outside and somebody's out there.
00:16:30.960 So I go out there and it's Gotti Sr.'s brothers.
00:16:34.160 It's Pete Gotti and Richie Gotti.
00:16:35.860 At the time, both guys aren't made guys.
00:16:38.320 And they said to him, hey, where the fuck are you?
00:16:41.820 And his brother, he says, what are you talking about?
00:16:44.160 He says, my brother's looking for you.
00:16:46.200 And I look at him funny like, and then I start realizing, wait a second, you know, to myself
00:16:51.520 a split second.
00:16:52.360 And I go back upstairs and I come down and I says, let's go.
00:16:55.900 And they said, you know, he wants to talk to you.
00:16:58.400 So that's when I realized that I'm just not some kid to him.
00:17:01.520 I'm not his son's friend.
00:17:03.440 We're not in a gang.
00:17:04.720 This is not a, you know, a school trip.
00:17:07.000 Now I'm starting to really realize this guy's noticing me and he's watching what I'm doing.
00:17:11.160 And I'm still not understanding it, that these orders I'm getting, collect money, go baseball bat, this guy, go pick up this,
00:17:16.760 is actually coming from the father.
00:17:19.300 You know, I just think it's us doing our own business on our own.
00:17:22.100 Jeannie Gotti's still alive, still around at the time.
00:17:24.940 He's not locked up yet.
00:17:26.280 And I just believe it's that.
00:17:28.580 And then I start to, it opens my eyes and said, this guy is, he's very aware of what we're doing.
00:17:34.700 He's very aware that we're moving drugs.
00:17:36.500 Just says he is it.
00:17:37.760 Because I'm not schooled fully yet.
00:17:40.080 I'm still a kid not understanding the intricacies of the mafia.
00:17:44.420 I'm not understanding.
00:17:45.840 I'm not slick enough yet to understand how things are operating.
00:17:50.340 You say something, but you might mean something else.
00:17:53.080 You're doing something and they're telling you they had no knowledge of it, but they're the ones that sent you.
00:17:57.040 I start understanding all the double dealings and the treachery and the life.
00:18:00.840 Who's teaching you, like, who is your lefty to Donnie Borasco or your sonny?
00:18:06.540 Who's playing that role in your life that is kind of mentoring and saying, like, here's what it is.
00:18:10.700 Here's what Omerita is.
00:18:12.080 Here's a code of this.
00:18:13.160 Here's this.
00:18:13.600 Who is doing that with you?
00:18:14.920 Well, there was a guy, Ronnie Martino, who was a known killer back in Dick's Deli.
00:18:19.800 Gambino family.
00:18:20.800 No, outside of the Gambino family.
00:18:22.820 He had a brother-in-law that was involved with the Gambino family, but he was involved with the Lucchese family.
00:18:28.720 And I had a lot of Lucchese.
00:18:30.340 He had a brother, Gambino, and he's Lucchese.
00:18:33.300 Not a brother.
00:18:34.120 A brother-in-law.
00:18:34.860 A brother-in-law.
00:18:35.680 Got it.
00:18:36.420 And, you know, it's not what everybody thinks.
00:18:38.340 It's not, you know, most, there's five families in New York.
00:18:40.800 There's the outfit in Chicago.
00:18:42.600 There's the Philadelphia mob.
00:18:43.860 There's the Cavacanti family in North Jersey.
00:18:46.620 We all mingle, intermingle with each other.
00:18:49.140 We do business with each other.
00:18:50.260 We're friends with each other.
00:18:51.260 But we also kill each other on orders.
00:18:53.660 So it's not as simple and cut and dry that people, there's a lot of people out there that think they know the mob.
00:18:59.380 And they think they understand it.
00:19:01.140 And there's people that are so naive.
00:19:02.900 And there's people that think they're experts in this world and this life.
00:19:07.160 There's guys like Sammy Gravano, who's a friend of mine, and other guys that are ex-skippers and bosses and underbosses that we're all in touch with.
00:19:15.820 And we live that life.
00:19:17.860 And even us, we have daily problems understanding the life and the treachery.
00:19:22.940 And as we all got out of the life and moved on with our lives or our friends died or got killed, you know, there's people that challenge us.
00:19:30.660 And these days, you know, you could challenge anybody through a computer.
00:19:33.600 Well, they talk and they just talk such nonsense because they have no idea or clue of the treachery that involves when you get to the level that we were playing at.
00:19:41.440 So what's the next play?
00:19:44.540 So now they're coming.
00:19:45.420 The brothers are coming.
00:19:46.300 You're in the car.
00:19:46.960 You're like, I got to go.
00:19:48.840 He knows what's going on.
00:19:50.100 The orders are coming from the top.
00:19:51.320 You go in.
00:19:52.420 So now there's almost a level of accountability from his end.
00:19:55.200 And the son is a friend, but you're not yet reporting to anybody, or are you?
00:20:00.620 Well, now I start reporting.
00:20:02.540 It's about close to Paul Castellano getting killed.
00:20:05.440 So it's the end of 84, about, prior to Paul getting killed.
00:20:09.980 I start reporting and having conversations more with Senior Gotti.
00:20:15.040 Prior to that, I was involved with Jeannie Gotti, Johnny Cornelia, anybody that was around.
00:20:22.400 Willie Boy Johnson was on a half sheet with him, and Gotti Sr. sent me to him.
00:20:27.200 So I understood that Gotti was my partner, the father.
00:20:30.640 And we had the New York Mets gambling with me.
00:20:33.300 So Sue and I moved to a different level.
00:20:38.680 We used to hang out at a place called Channel 80, and it was a known spot for all gangsters.
00:20:44.240 You'd pull up with a boat.
00:20:45.480 We all had cigarette boats in those days.
00:20:47.460 I had a 280 Baja with Gotti Jr.
00:20:49.600 And we'd pull up to those places, and Roger Basile owned it.
00:20:53.920 He was around Jimmy Burke from Goodfellas.
00:20:56.520 His son, Frankie, was a good friend of mine.
00:20:58.200 He gets killed also.
00:20:59.980 And I start understanding that we're all living a pretty dangerous life now.
00:21:06.800 Any moment, anybody could get killed.
00:21:08.920 It didn't matter who it was, where it was, in your house, in a business.
00:21:13.200 And it's not like these days where guys aren't shooting.
00:21:16.240 When we were growing up, 70s, 80s, 90s, killing was rampant.
00:21:21.220 Shootings were rampant.
00:21:22.600 And battings were rampant.
00:21:24.220 So when I'm doing business and I'm talking to Willie Boy Johnson, I understand where it's coming from now.
00:21:31.380 And Gotti had his conversations with me.
00:21:33.620 So I understand, Sr. had his conversations with me.
00:21:35.760 So I understand the orders are coming from him.
00:21:37.440 Did you know, were you involved in the Castellano before it happened with Sammy and the team?
00:21:42.940 Was there anything that you know about, or that wasn't at your level yet?
00:21:45.740 No, it was at my level, but it was through his son.
00:21:48.660 Jr. loved to talk to me and brag to me.
00:21:51.940 So privately, Jr. told me, I knew I'm involved with Angelo Ruggiero.
00:21:57.660 So I was close with them.
00:21:58.680 I'm close with Johnny Koenig.
00:21:59.700 At this time, I gave a beating to Patsy Catalano's kid, Jeff, who was in heroin business.
00:22:06.260 Jeannie Gotti and Johnny Koenig asked me to hurt him.
00:22:08.320 I gave a beating to a guy, Frankie.
00:22:10.460 You know, these beatings are serious beatings, not with your hands.
00:22:13.100 Bat.
00:22:13.560 Bats, blackjacks.
00:22:15.720 A guy, Frankie, that strayed away from Johnny Koenig.
00:22:18.440 And they asked me to hurt him.
00:22:19.740 Another guy, Mitch Sanders, they asked me to hurt him over some sort of rape with his girlfriend's sister.
00:22:27.320 They accused him.
00:22:28.000 And they go ask him, they ask the Gambino family to do the work.
00:22:30.480 Johnny comes to me.
00:22:31.600 So I start understanding.
00:22:32.920 I hurt Gene Foster on the beach.
00:22:34.820 And I start hurting guys and batting guys and piping guys.
00:22:38.720 And it's coming from, at that time, I didn't really understand what was coming from Gotti Sr.
00:22:43.620 until, until he didn't like that I didn't jump on a situation fast enough.
00:22:48.740 And he called me in his office.
00:22:50.400 And he said, didn't my son tell you to do something?
00:22:52.460 And then the next conversation I had was, if it's not done, you're going to have a problem.
00:22:58.760 So I took care of business.
00:23:00.500 A senior told you this?
00:23:01.440 Yeah.
00:23:02.740 And then I went through that on a regular basis.
00:23:05.220 No, these are beatings still.
00:23:06.720 Oh, you still haven't, you still haven't.
00:23:08.260 I'm doing shootings, but I haven't killed anybody besides the Gebbet, and he was the actual shooter.
00:23:14.260 So I don't know how many guys died on that shooting.
00:23:16.680 But, you know, we hit, I believe, three guys.
00:23:19.980 And maybe a girl actually was there.
00:23:21.740 So, you know, you don't stand back there and count how many guys are going down.
00:23:25.400 You know they're going down, they're screaming, and he's shooting like crazy.
00:23:27.920 So that's your first one?
00:23:28.920 Yeah, that's my first one.
00:23:29.760 I was young.
00:23:30.240 I was 19 years old.
00:23:31.240 What happened, when that happened to you, were you like, I cannot believe I just did this?
00:23:36.100 What the hell just happened?
00:23:37.380 Or were you?
00:23:38.020 I was mad because, I talk about this, Gotti and the kid Jerry were following us in a K car, Junior,
00:23:44.420 and they were supposed to be our blockers.
00:23:46.600 And they took off and made a left when the police were chasing us.
00:23:49.460 It happened the police just stumbled on us.
00:23:50.900 They were coming in the direction of the shooting.
00:23:52.920 It wasn't, we weren't far from the precincts, from 102nd precinct, so there's a lot of police cars there.
00:23:57.960 I mean, for them to be coming down the block at that time, you got some bad luck.
00:24:02.300 So after we do the shooting, I would think, you know, I wasn't sure how I would react either, like you're saying.
00:24:07.520 Naturally, you're not sure.
00:24:08.620 Are you going to hold your mud, or are you going to panic, or are you going to, it became very natural to me.
00:24:13.480 It was very easy.
00:24:14.600 I pulled away.
00:24:15.700 The cops were chasing us.
00:24:16.860 Gebbett left the gun in my car, and he jumped out while I was moving.
00:24:20.380 I was going slow down a one-way street.
00:24:22.920 Not slow, but I was coming up to the stop sign.
00:24:25.480 And he jumped out, and he said, let me out.
00:24:27.000 But as he jumped out, he left the gun, and the cops started chasing me.
00:24:31.400 And my follow car, my backup car, was supposed to be guarding his kid Jerry.
00:24:36.920 And they had an excuse why they jumped out.
00:24:38.900 So really, I'm the only guy holding the mud.
00:24:41.160 And I was heading down towards Atlantic Avenue.
00:24:43.660 I know the street's there because we live there.
00:24:46.000 And I know it's a one-way.
00:24:47.780 I open up the passenger door.
00:24:49.520 I open up the other door.
00:24:50.820 I take the gun, and I start huffing on my feet.
00:24:53.560 I leave the car so the cops can't go by.
00:24:55.300 I get across Atlantic Avenue.
00:24:57.380 I start jumping fences in some backyards, and I'm taking the gun apart and dropping it in sewers as I'm running.
00:25:02.600 And I get myself back to our club on 113th Street, and I'm steaming.
00:25:07.400 And I said, now I want Gebbett.
00:25:08.940 This is the first time I'm saying, okay, I'm going to get Gebbett.
00:25:11.180 And so Gebbett came to the shooting high.
00:25:14.740 He was smoking dust.
00:25:16.380 And he's a wild guy.
00:25:18.200 You know, no doubt I know Gebbett since he's a kid.
00:25:20.440 He's a shooter.
00:25:21.120 He shot a lot of guys, but he's a guy that's smoking angel dust.
00:25:24.480 So I look at him in a different light now.
00:25:27.320 You're weak.
00:25:28.320 You can't do work without doing that.
00:25:29.960 You left me.
00:25:30.560 And I'm looking at Gotti, and I'm thinking, that's all I'm thinking.
00:25:36.120 And why I stick around is because I have a bigger plan for myself.
00:25:40.620 Because everybody asks me that question, why do you stick around?
00:25:43.600 I says, because Junior wasn't my direction.
00:25:46.600 His father was the direction I was trying to go.
00:25:49.120 And Angelo Ruggiero at the time is moving heroin with Genie Gotti, Johnny Kinnick.
00:25:54.480 They all get pinched, Mark Ryder.
00:25:56.520 And I'm very friendly with them.
00:25:58.940 And I'm moving some, I start moving packages, not in their level, in small levels,
00:26:03.600 but I'm moving it through Rikers Island, through another guy that said, Rikers Island,
00:26:08.760 a guy, Chrissy, Pete Chrissy, he's dead.
00:26:10.900 He died also, but his brothers are still around there.
00:26:13.040 His brothers work for me.
00:26:14.040 Actually, one of his brothers, Tommy Chrissy, shot Gebbett up before we kill him.
00:26:19.140 Well, it was on a kill when we see him, which he lived.
00:26:23.320 But I'm in a different circle, and I understand what I'm involved with now,
00:26:29.700 with Angelo, with Johnny, and the shootings start, the drug business starts.
00:26:33.940 So I understand, and I know where I want to go.
00:26:35.960 I got the New York Mets gambling with me.
00:26:38.400 And actually, somebody questioned that.
00:26:41.040 I don't remember who.
00:26:42.280 And they came out with a check from Keith Hernandez of $5,000 to show they were paying.
00:26:47.160 They found the $5,000 check from Keith Hernandez?
00:26:48.880 Yeah, they put it in the papers.
00:26:49.900 It was in the New York papers.
00:26:51.320 So that's documented.
00:26:52.260 It's documented.
00:26:53.060 Got it.
00:26:53.620 You know, a lot of this stuff I'm speaking about, there's a new book I'm coming out with,
00:26:58.060 Doc's Out 2.
00:26:59.660 And I'm going to come back this time, you know, because I'm going to talk about shooting
00:27:05.080 after shooting, stabbing after stabbing.
00:27:07.500 But this time I told my author I want the witnesses and their names, besides the victims,
00:27:12.660 in that book, and I'm going to do a scorecard inside.
00:27:16.000 So I'm going to show it step by step for the people that don't understand the life.
00:27:20.220 So at that moment when that event happened with Gotti Jr., is your level of trusting him
00:27:27.820 at a good score?
00:27:29.980 And then after that, it's a score where you're kind of keeping in the back of your mind saying,
00:27:33.260 I can never trust this guy?
00:27:34.280 Like, where are you with him?
00:27:36.780 Because there are certain things where you see somebody do something in the back of your
00:27:39.540 mind, like, okay, it's done, I can never trust this guy, but I have to act like I do.
00:27:43.680 Is that kind of what happened between the two of you?
00:27:45.880 A hundred percent, because people ask you this, you know, during the trials, there's
00:27:50.260 a lot of questions from lawyers and journalists, and, you know, and I said to them, listen,
00:27:55.480 I tell everybody the same thing.
00:27:57.600 You had other positions before this.
00:27:59.740 As a kid, you're growing up, and there's bosses you don't respect, you don't trust,
00:28:04.020 and you keep it there in the back of your head.
00:28:05.660 It's just a lesson learned that you know that you can't trust him.
00:28:08.140 You know that he's not, he doesn't belong in this life.
00:28:12.360 As the years are moving on, and not even years, as the months and weeks are going on,
00:28:17.240 I just named probably half a dozen of our friends that are already dead.
00:28:20.420 By the time the next year comes around, I can name another six, seven guys that are dead.
00:28:26.080 Peers.
00:28:26.840 Peers, good friends, and some of these friends of mine are guys later on that I kill, or I
00:28:33.420 have killed.
00:28:33.960 You know, I had, like Johnny Gebbett, I have him killed.
00:28:36.960 At one time, he was my friend as a kid.
00:28:38.880 He lived around the corner from me.
00:28:40.320 But you're starting to understand the life, and you're starting to understand the treachery,
00:28:43.460 and you're understanding, just like at war, that this is, you're not playing a game no
00:28:49.340 more.
00:28:49.520 You're not in a schoolyard.
00:28:50.760 You're not going to punch a guy in the face, and it's going to end.
00:28:52.880 So, you start really understanding, when you can't trust somebody, you don't say it.
00:28:58.360 You don't talk.
00:28:59.020 Only the guys that talk end up dead.
00:29:01.160 So, you know, I always use the armed forces.
00:29:03.540 I got a lot of respect for these guys, and I've talked about it on a regular basis, armed
00:29:07.240 forces, because these guys, every day, put on a uniform.
00:29:11.980 Whether they see action, no action, they have the possibility of losing their life.
00:29:15.900 So, when people sit in their comfortable homes, and they don't salute our flag, or they don't
00:29:21.080 get up and respect people in armed forces around the world, not just this country, I
00:29:26.240 despise them.
00:29:27.460 They're cowards, and I have strong feelings against them, because these men, they lost
00:29:31.500 their mothers, fathers, kids, children, and we have no right in no matter what.
00:29:36.800 And I lived a rough life on the street, and no matter what this country has done to me,
00:29:41.660 as far as prisons, I'll never disrespect the flag or the people that fight for our country.
00:29:48.320 So, it's very important, and I think that the message that some of these people leave
00:29:53.560 out in the street about something they don't understand, it's important to get the right
00:29:57.460 message out there.
00:29:58.360 John, at that moment when you were seeing what happened with you and Gotti Jr., was there
00:30:05.920 a moment where the next time you saw him where he couldn't look at you in your eyes, was
00:30:08.960 there anything like that where the tension was felt, or no, you acted like everything
00:30:12.900 was okay?
00:30:13.840 Like, even a smile like you just made right now, that smile tells 50 stories, right?
00:30:17.340 So, you know what I'm saying, when you see somebody and there's a smirk or a smile or
00:30:21.360 a squint or an angle of looking at them, is there any of that felt between the two of
00:30:25.720 you, or nothing at all?
00:30:27.120 Yeah, I asked him what happened, he gave me an answer, I knew it was bullshit, and I didn't
00:30:32.200 question it anymore.
00:30:32.960 I just put it in the bank and said, okay, I know what he's made of now.
00:30:36.020 So, I understood at that moment that he'll sell me out any second, any time, and later
00:30:42.100 on he does.
00:30:43.860 So, then this leads me to the next question.
00:30:46.300 Now you're saying in that moment, you have bigger ambitions on what you want to do, right?
00:30:50.540 You're saying, I have bigger ambitions.
00:30:52.660 But you're Albanian, right?
00:30:54.700 You can't be a made man in a Gambino family and be Albanian.
00:30:59.560 You've got to be Italian, right?
00:31:01.120 I mean, that's one of the things that they had themselves, especially to go be a boss.
00:31:05.000 To be the boss, it's a complete different story.
00:31:06.880 So, as much as you're motivated and ambitious to do it, what was your formula on how to get
00:31:12.500 to the top?
00:31:13.080 No, I understood technically, I couldn't be officially made, technically.
00:31:18.120 But otherwise, in every other aspect of that street world, I'm considered being made guy.
00:31:24.700 I'm considered being almost a boss on the street.
00:31:26.660 I'm considered by anybody in a mob, because you know what runs the world of the mafia?
00:31:32.240 Is violence.
00:31:33.380 Violence and money.
00:31:34.760 So, if you can, I had the qualities that other guys didn't.
00:31:37.740 I was intelligent, so I knew how to make money.
00:31:40.120 I knew how to operate businesses.
00:31:41.860 And I was vicious.
00:31:43.140 So, those qualities make me become another Jimmy Burke, who was Robert De Niro of Goodfellas.
00:31:50.660 Well, of course, yeah.
00:31:51.700 His son was my Goodfellas.
00:31:52.620 So, I looked at Jimmy Burke, and I don't think there was anybody, ever, when he was in jail,
00:31:57.700 on the streets would ever say, oh, you're Irish, we're not respecting you as a gangster
00:32:02.860 or as a mob guy.
00:32:03.880 Well, Joe Watts, who was a very personal friend and a known killer in our family, and John Gotti
00:32:09.880 Sr.'s main guy, and he was German.
00:32:13.100 So, there's guys that I looked at and said, I'm going to be them.
00:32:16.160 And I did become them.
00:32:18.080 The guys testified in trials in court that I had my own crew, and it was very unusual
00:32:23.240 for an Albanian, a non-Italian, to be able to run their own crews on the street.
00:32:28.380 Nobody's challenged.
00:32:29.040 But there's guys, and there's groups outside of, you know, you see some of these mob sites,
00:32:33.900 and the guys, they don't even know what they're speaking about.
00:32:36.140 There was, you know, the Westies, an Irish group out of New York, Manhattan.
00:32:39.800 I would laugh if somebody ever typed something to them back in the 80s that they're not respected
00:32:45.980 because they're Irish.
00:32:47.660 And even, we'll talk about these days, the last four hits in the American-Italian mafia
00:32:53.760 were done by black guys.
00:32:55.920 So, I want to see those same guys telling them, well, we're not going to respect them.
00:33:00.940 People in the street, and this is anybody in the street, whether you're Hell's Angels,
00:33:05.680 my friend was, he just passed away, grew up since we were kids, was president of Hell's Angels.
00:33:11.520 I don't want to see, I don't think there's anybody in it from the street that is really
00:33:15.740 a legitimate tough guy that doesn't understand the street.
00:33:18.400 We understand to respect somebody with intelligence and somebody that is on the street that's tough.
00:33:25.180 So, regardless, no one says to you, well, what's your nationality?
00:33:28.520 I'm going to respect you for your nationality.
00:33:29.840 No, no doubt about it.
00:33:30.680 But there's a difference, like, you know Mira, you know Tony Mira, you know, there were
00:33:35.360 certain guys that were known for being earners, there were certain guys that were being known
00:33:40.260 for being soldiers, right?
00:33:41.860 There were guys that knew how to go make the money, and some of them that knew how to take
00:33:47.160 the hits.
00:33:47.500 One of the things Sammy was known for, and the reason why he got so much street credit
00:33:51.600 is, and this comes from everybody I talk to, whoever I talk to for whatever reason,
00:33:56.720 they all either respect Sammy and validate what he did, and even the whole story with
00:34:02.800 him and Gotti, him going and testifying, immunity, whatever you want to call it for
00:34:06.640 the 19 counts.
00:34:08.320 They say he ran a legitimate construction company, was making money, and at the same
00:34:13.380 time, when it came down to tune the job, he did it as well.
00:34:16.620 So, but because he was Italian, he could eventually end up being a boss.
00:34:22.400 What was your, you know, end of, you know, my vision is one day John A. Light's going
00:34:26.800 to be XYZ.
00:34:27.520 What was your vision?
00:34:28.640 I'll tell you something, because you mentioned Sammy.
00:34:31.240 Sammy Gravano, and this is the first time I mention it anyway, Sammy Gravano did an interview,
00:34:35.620 his first one since he's been home from his 15 years he just did, and his interview was
00:34:40.600 about John A. Light, he does an audio interview with a guy named Andy Deliano, who did Perfect
00:34:47.740 Gangster One.
00:34:49.160 That interview is going to be in Europe shortly, and he discusses what I am, and what's a thug,
00:34:57.360 what's a mafioso, what's a gangster, and he says most people, this is his words, are either
00:35:04.980 like a Michael Francis, who's a mafia, mafioso, earner, but not a killer, he doesn't put a
00:35:11.400 gun in his hand, he's a very intelligent man, I like him, I respect him, he speaks well,
00:35:15.540 he turns his life around, he's doing the right thing, and then there's guys like Frank Collada,
00:35:20.260 who's a thug, gangster, a killer, so there's two types.
00:35:24.700 Sammy gave me in that interview, or he said about me that I'm both, I'm an earner, I'm a
00:35:30.240 thug, and I'm a mafioso, and I'm an Albanian mafioso, that has total respect from the mob
00:35:37.820 world, and that I'm a professional hitman, and I'm a killer, and I'm the Gambino's family's
00:35:44.080 hitman, and unfortunately, I was around the wrong guys, the Gatties.
00:35:48.680 Those are his words, not mine, those are recorded words from him.
00:35:52.060 How many total people have you done, how many hits did you do total?
00:35:56.500 I hear different numbers, I hear 15, dozens, 19.
00:35:59.720 Here's the thing, you know, you go play baseball, and I've tried to say this, you know, so many
00:36:06.920 different times when I'm talking, you go play baseball, and a guy plays one game, and he
00:36:10.580 gets a base hit, he's going to remember that for the rest of his life, it's the only game
00:36:13.600 he played.
00:36:14.560 I did this day in and day out, so when someone said, did you kill Georgie Grasso, I'll give
00:36:19.940 you names, did he shoot him in the head, yes I did, did somebody say, did you kill Johnny
00:36:24.380 Gabbett, yes I did, I ordered him dead, did you kill Bruce Goddard up, unfortunately,
00:36:29.700 I'm friends with his family now, yes I did, I ordered him dead, did you shoot Mike Levegny
00:36:35.120 in the chest, and Porter calls, he testified against you 25 years, yes I did, did you shoot
00:36:40.060 Ricky Stratton in the head on the Interbottle Parkway, Johnny I, did you shoot him, yes I
00:36:44.200 did, did you shoot Paul G in front of John Gotti Sr.'s house, and you didn't care was in
00:36:49.700 front of his house, yes I did, did you shoot Nicky Pasquale five times on his porch, and he
00:36:55.140 lose his leg, and he almost died, yes I did, did you stab a guy in front of Vinnie Butch
00:37:01.360 in Fort Lauderdale in the neck and the stomach, and he was operated twice, and almost died,
00:37:07.140 yes I did, did you shoot Sal Noto's brother-in-law in bulkhead bar, yes I did, I shot his friend
00:37:14.600 outside the bulkhead bar, yes I did, I could go on with these names, and did I shoot two guys
00:37:20.100 in front of Mondellos for Michael Catapano, we call Catman, still alive, yes I did, witnesses,
00:37:26.960 did I baseball bat three bikers, and baseball bat Nicky, Kenny Nicole on 78th Street in
00:37:33.400 front of the old brother-in by accident, yes I did, he's alive, Joey Mathis is dead, I
00:37:37.340 went to protect him, did I pipe three guys and hit him with bottles in front of the Princeton
00:37:42.000 Diner in front of Lisa Matrisiak, her best friend's married to Joe Pungitore, a captain
00:37:47.160 in the Philadelphia mob, she was there, still alive, yes I did, did I stab a biker in Forest
00:37:54.400 Hills in the thigh and tell him I'll shoot him in the head, they have her come looking
00:37:57.720 for me again after that baseball bat, the other three bikers, yes I did, Michael Finney
00:38:01.440 testified against it, for it, about what I did, did I shoot Mike Pipp and two other guys
00:38:07.360 in front of 116th and 101st Avenue, yes I did, see the difference between what I do, and
00:38:12.940 I can go on, we can keep talking, I don't know how many guys I shot, I killed two
00:38:17.060 guys for sure on my property, maybe three, Danny Morrow, unlike some of the stories that
00:38:23.740 said that never happened, testified and he's on tape, it'll be out in Perfect Gangster 2,
00:38:29.520 Dino Finelli helped me get rid of the guns afterwards, seen tons of blood all over, these
00:38:33.720 are regular guys, dumped the guns for me, testified also and did an interview on tape,
00:38:39.060 Carmine Roan, multi-millionaire, legitimate guy, owns Tomatoes restaurant, testified,
00:38:45.740 I did, he was on the property, Steve Lacrotando, insurance man, regular guy, testified, I did,
00:38:54.300 so you know when guys are talking out of line or out of school, I hear it all the time, so
00:38:58.580 why is Sammy Gravano, the underboss of the family, talking about me in that way, why did
00:39:03.380 Ronnie Warnham, captain of the Gambino family, I robbed all his bookmakers, he was a one time
00:39:07.740 friend of mine, I robbed Jojo Carrazzo, at one time, concierge of the family, robbed his
00:39:12.420 bookmakers, why did anybody get any retaliation against me, I robbed two of them, I put my
00:39:17.460 name in his mouth and I taped it, Steve Catalano was there, he's still alive, Johnny Burke's
00:39:22.160 in jail, even though I don't like the kid, he was there, he didn't want to come near
00:39:26.020 the guy because the guy was too big, so these guys are alive, I can go on, why did Ronnie
00:39:30.080 want him, in his own words, in his opening statement, say if I ain't nice to Johnny A-light,
00:39:34.060 he'll kill me like he killed everybody else, why did he say in a dozen
00:39:37.720 times get his paperwork and his opening statement, it's out all over the internet, that I'm
00:39:42.360 John Gotti Jr.'s partner, I'm the partners in the drug business, over and over and over
00:39:46.300 again, he repeated it, why did Stevie Newell, a guy I shot, who I'm personally friends with
00:39:50.840 now, and we had a disagreement, that Gotti said they would protect him, I shot him, did
00:39:54.920 he say on tape, you don't know Johnny A-light, he'll shoot anybody anywhere, and John Gotti Jr.
00:40:00.860 ratted on him, ratted on me, well he became a rat and he called Stevie a rat, it wasn't true,
00:40:04.720 why did Stevie Newell say that he sees captains in the Gambino family answer to me, he grew
00:40:09.220 up in our neighborhood, so when guys talk, and I hear these tough guys on the internet,
00:40:15.160 and you got guys like Vito Guzzo, who's doing 30 something years, he's been my enemy for
00:40:19.720 years, did I have him shot, yes, did he kill the guy I had him shot, yes he did, do I like
00:40:25.640 him, no, not particularly, do I know him since he's 5, 6 years old, yes, does he have the right
00:40:30.120 to talk about me, he does, because he's a legitimate gangster, whether I like it or not,
00:40:34.520 and he knows I'm a legitimate gangster, they tried to kill me 7, 8, 10 times, I don't
00:40:37.840 how many times, these guys were on America's Most Wanted, Anthony Tabita, Frankie Foradillo,
00:40:42.760 these are serious guys, killers, but when you get guys like Big Mouth, there's a kid from
00:40:47.260 my neighbor, Frankie Giudici, who's a punk, with a big mouth, never did anything, and they
00:40:51.920 talk like they ever did anything, he never loaded a gun, he's another guy, only guys that talk
00:40:56.520 like that, you know they're about nothing, but when, at least if they're in the mix,
00:41:01.260 and you know when his friend was getting hurt, or we were collecting money off him, he ran,
00:41:05.340 he hid in front of 106 priests, these same guys that talk, they talk about my children,
00:41:11.160 my children ain't gangsters, you got children too, so when they talk out of school, you know
00:41:16.540 they're not about anything, because guys that run their mouth, they're nothing, the guys
00:41:20.760 that Frito Guzzo, who was a legitimate killer, I didn't particularly like their crimes, I didn't
00:41:25.700 like what a lot of those guys in that crew did, some of them didn't like it either,
00:41:28.640 what Vito was doing, but you can say to yourself, this guy is a gangster, he can't talk, there's
00:41:34.220 a guy out of Brooklyn, that's in the streets still, I know him since I was a kid, I won't
00:41:37.400 say his, his whole name is named Danny, he was a killer, tough guy, so he has the legitimate
00:41:41.700 right to talk about the street, but these guys that don't know what they're talking about,
00:41:45.480 because I can run those lists on and on and on of guys I shot, baseball batted, I said
00:41:50.280 I baseball batted over a hundred guys and stabbed, did I do it?
00:41:53.760 Well, people say I didn't, there's a guy Johnny that testified for John Gotti Jr., and I baseball
00:41:58.360 batted him, by myself, the three guys I just talked about, by myself, the Krasinowski brothers,
00:42:04.400 I baseball batted two, by myself, the Keegan brothers, I baseball batted one of them, by
00:42:09.040 myself, I could go on, that's why I said I'm going to say names this time, to shut these
00:42:13.700 people up that don't know what they're talking about or disrespect me, because my life's different
00:42:17.880 now.
00:42:18.160 The hard part for me is not to kill these guys that talk, the easy part for me was killing
00:42:23.640 guys and hurting guys.
00:42:25.040 Why was it easy?
00:42:26.280 That's part of my life, it's like putting on a uniform and going to the army, whether
00:42:29.480 I, it's a crazy way of thinking, when I signed up for this life, I believed in it, I don't
00:42:34.600 believe in it anymore.
00:42:35.960 There's two things that ruin this life that people don't understand, structure, right,
00:42:41.640 and fear.
00:42:43.660 There is no more fear, because they're asking people outside of the mob to do their killing
00:42:48.480 for them, or do their shooting for them.
00:42:50.320 Wait, structure and fear is what made it work, or structure and fear, it's what made it work?
00:42:55.440 Why it doesn't work now is because I can name, and I can see how I just named all the guys
00:43:02.240 I shot and stabbed, and I could have kept going, right?
00:43:04.060 You could see I could keep rambling these names.
00:43:06.000 That same guy, the same way I did that, I can name family after family.
00:43:11.440 Joe Messina, acting boss, boss, excuse me, of the Bonanno family, became a rat.
00:43:16.800 John Gotti Jr. became a rat.
00:43:19.340 Al Diarco, Lucchese family, a rat.
00:43:21.820 Philadelphia mob, Ralph Natale, rat.
00:43:24.820 Leonetti, rat.
00:43:26.780 How are you going to have structure when all your boss is a rat?
00:43:30.960 Not only the bosses, I can go down the line, the captains.
00:43:33.900 I can go to Mikey Scars, became a cooperator.
00:43:36.900 I won't call him a rat, a co-operator.
00:43:38.560 He was John Gotti Jr.'s best friend.
00:43:40.520 He made statements.
00:43:41.440 I was there when we were setting up juries for Gotti Sr.
00:43:44.540 Why is he making that statement if I'm a nobody?
00:43:47.020 If I'm not this guy, everybody says, why is he saying that Johnny A. Light,
00:43:50.340 he was there when we were going to hit Curtis Lee when I denied it?
00:43:54.600 I said, I'm not hitting a journalist.
00:43:56.560 We got enough guys we can hit and kill.
00:43:59.020 So why am I at weddings?
00:44:00.880 Why am I at Gotti's wedding?
00:44:02.220 Why am I at sisters?
00:44:03.460 So when people talk out of line and they don't have a clue what they're talking about,
00:44:06.760 they have no idea the violence that we were living.
00:44:09.360 And what I personally did for the Gambino family.
00:44:11.860 In jails, out of jails.
00:44:13.300 John, let me ask you.
00:44:14.120 I'm listening to the way you say it.
00:44:16.500 You're saying it a way a baseball player would say, you know, game three, playoffs, round,
00:44:24.600 you know, such and such.
00:44:26.140 I hit the double and it scored a winning run.
00:44:29.420 You know, game one opener against the Yankees.
00:44:33.260 I hit a, you know, home run and we ended up winning.
00:44:36.160 I went three, four, four.
00:44:37.580 The way you're saying it is just so nonchalant.
00:44:39.820 Is that a part of it where in your world there is, it almost sounds, it's like, I don't
00:44:47.040 want to say bragging rights, but it's like, listen, I'm a real soldier.
00:44:50.260 Here's what I really did.
00:44:51.300 Because you lived in that, I feel the competitive spirit that you have.
00:44:55.040 I feel the spirit of, look, I'm legit.
00:44:58.780 Here's what I did.
00:45:00.040 I was a driven guy.
00:45:01.360 I was committed to the life and I wanted to come through and I'm not one of these guys
00:45:04.800 that didn't, that were afraid to be soldiers.
00:45:06.520 I did this part as well.
00:45:08.760 That's the way it comes across.
00:45:11.060 Are these things where for you during that part of the world, you look at it and you
00:45:14.720 say, I chose to live this life and I'm proud of the job I did.
00:45:17.420 Is that kind of how you're processing it or no?
00:45:19.640 My father, let me go back to my father.
00:45:21.440 My father taught me to be best at whatever I did.
00:45:24.280 So when I played baseball, you'd have to beat me for me to back away from a guy coming
00:45:30.280 to home plate when I was a little kid in a catcher.
00:45:32.600 There's no way I'm going to step away and side tag him.
00:45:34.620 When I was in the ring, whether win or lose, they put me in the ring one time with a kid
00:45:39.420 that was destroying me and my trainer wasn't there and it was just sparring.
00:45:43.820 And I refused not to go in the ring and he beat me all over the ring.
00:45:48.880 And then when I got involved with the mob, here's the thing that why I'm so animate the
00:45:54.120 way I talk and what I say is because I believed in the mob more than anybody.
00:45:59.460 I went against my family.
00:46:01.000 I went on the run because I didn't want to give up anybody in the mob.
00:46:04.660 I left all my money, millions.
00:46:07.080 I left my children.
00:46:08.440 I stayed in a Brazilian penitentiary and I was going to rot there.
00:46:12.240 I was willing to face the death sentence.
00:46:14.120 I lived in every country you could think of.
00:46:16.580 Meanwhile, my enemies and my friends like Gotti Jr. were already cooperating.
00:46:22.640 So what I'm trying to do, and it's so important for me to say, I am the real deal.
00:46:27.020 I am the guy that did this.
00:46:28.240 It's not bragging and, you know, maybe sometimes it comes off that way because I'm angry because
00:46:33.020 I go around now.
00:46:34.560 I don't know if you know what I changed.
00:46:35.980 Because I go around and I teach kids don't follow.
00:46:38.380 That's why I'm angry because I don't want kids to follow this life.
00:46:41.580 I don't want kids to understand and think that these guys are tough guys because in my book
00:46:47.360 that I'm going to do with Susan Pike, I'm going to come out with the next book.
00:46:51.660 This is Darkest Hour 1.
00:46:53.620 I'm coming out with Darkest Hour 2 and 3.
00:46:55.880 And in Darkest Hour 2 that's coming out in February, I'm going to put a scorecard like
00:47:00.620 we do in sports.
00:47:01.980 When somebody gets just what you said, how many hits or how many tackles.
00:47:05.140 I'm going to go through how many of these guys never touched a gun in their life.
00:47:09.020 Never did a killing.
00:47:10.740 Pete Gotti say.
00:47:12.120 Never touched a gun.
00:47:12.960 He didn't kill anybody.
00:47:14.440 It's easy to ask this kid to do the killing from.
00:47:17.700 It was easy to ask me to do the killing and the shooting and then when it's finished and
00:47:21.300 all the trouble starts, say he was nobody.
00:47:23.500 Because they're going to do it to the next kid.
00:47:25.260 That's why I'm so...
00:47:26.120 Who was saying you were nobody?
00:47:27.720 Whoever says it.
00:47:28.660 I'm saying it doesn't matter who's saying it.
00:47:30.100 What I'm trying to teach these kids is don't follow this life.
00:47:33.360 I'm here to tell you I lived this life.
00:47:36.060 I was a guy that was in this life making a ton of money.
00:47:39.080 This is a dead-end way to live.
00:47:40.720 So it's very important to be very strong about the way I'm talking and what I've done.
00:47:45.580 And it's very important to let these kids know, listen, do not follow this.
00:47:49.560 This is a one-way street to nowhere.
00:47:52.260 It's very tough to live that life today, though.
00:47:54.940 You know, to have the mob life today, it's very tough to live the life today.
00:47:58.820 It's not as it was in the 80s.
00:48:01.260 No, it's not as in the 80s because they're not killing.
00:48:03.580 And they're not shooting and they're not baseball batting guys because...
00:48:06.760 Cyber security.
00:48:07.140 Well, this is why I was talking about structure and fear.
00:48:09.860 But you have guys all over the street selling powder and pills and they think they're gangsters.
00:48:15.320 They put on a suit and tie.
00:48:16.680 They put on a cigar.
00:48:17.560 They put a cigar in their mouth and they think they're gangsters.
00:48:20.200 And they're teaching these kids they can still do this and you can have a future.
00:48:23.840 But there is no future in this life.
00:48:26.080 There is no future in selling drugs.
00:48:27.700 There's no future in killing or hurting.
00:48:31.220 This is why I said it's very easy to kill and hurt.
00:48:33.660 But the hard part is not to.
00:48:35.000 John, what's your following on?
00:48:36.480 What caused the following?
00:48:37.660 I've read many different things and I've read both sides of the story.
00:48:42.280 You know, and I called around just to kind of see what they're going to tell me.
00:48:45.680 People that don't believe a single word that comes out of your mouth.
00:48:49.020 People that say, this guy's legit.
00:48:51.200 And I've called names that you know.
00:48:52.540 Some of the names you've mentioned just to kind of give that.
00:48:54.960 But they've asked me to not disclose the names for obvious reasons.
00:48:58.120 It's like if I were to call you and say, hey, what do you think about this?
00:49:00.100 This is who I'm sitting with.
00:49:00.960 Here's what's the case with this guy.
00:49:03.660 What caused the falling out with you, John, and Senior?
00:49:07.980 What caused the falling out while you're coming up?
00:49:10.140 Well, it's very simple.
00:49:11.600 I mean, anybody with an education can decipher what I'm saying and check, right?
00:49:15.960 Because I'm making statements with names.
00:49:18.120 I'm making statements of many guys.
00:49:20.000 Okay.
00:49:20.500 Here's the falling out.
00:49:21.500 Frankie DiCicco was killed.
00:49:25.160 Did you see anybody get killed after Frankie got blown up?
00:49:27.480 No.
00:49:28.560 Eddie Lena was killed by the Lucchese family by the rogue cops at Boleto.
00:49:33.080 See anybody retaliate that?
00:49:34.460 No.
00:49:35.640 Bobby Borrella was killed in front of his house.
00:49:37.780 See anybody retaliate that?
00:49:39.060 No.
00:49:39.580 Joey Scopo that was put in position to be an acting boss at a Colombo family by Gotti
00:49:43.620 when he was murdered in front of his house.
00:49:45.600 Any retaliation?
00:49:46.480 No.
00:49:46.960 My good friend, Greg Ryder, was chopped up and left somewhere.
00:49:51.900 Nobody ever found his body.
00:49:53.120 While his father did life, didn't give up, Gotti Sr., could have never spent one day,
00:49:57.980 Mark Ryder, in prison, and nobody did anything about it.
00:50:01.120 And in my belief, they ordered it.
00:50:03.040 They okayed it.
00:50:03.700 They didn't order the murder of Greg Ryder, but they okayed it.
00:50:06.680 And I could go on with that list.
00:50:08.000 Little Anthony Macuso was killed over a dispute in, I'm trying to think of, Bedrocks, with
00:50:15.360 the owner.
00:50:16.780 Did anybody kill the guy that killed him?
00:50:18.580 Regardless if the guy was wrong or right.
00:50:20.200 Our law is you can't put your hand on a made guy.
00:50:22.640 He killed him.
00:50:23.980 God, he didn't do anything about it.
00:50:25.360 Nobody did anything about it.
00:50:26.420 Why not?
00:50:27.560 So we believe in nothing.
00:50:30.400 We believe in money.
00:50:32.780 And these kids think that there's loyalty.
00:50:34.760 I just named every boss that's ratting.
00:50:36.860 I just named Sammy Gravano.
00:50:38.820 Let's put somebody in his shoes.
00:50:40.840 He was quiet.
00:50:42.160 He never got caught on tapes.
00:50:43.920 He didn't brag.
00:50:45.260 He didn't talk about murders that we committed in the past.
00:50:48.280 That it's our law.
00:50:49.520 If you do bring it up, you're killed for it.
00:50:52.040 He didn't go against his boss.
00:50:53.500 He was a big moneymaker.
00:50:54.700 He was a family man.
00:50:55.660 He didn't run around like a lot of us did with women.
00:50:57.980 He was a perfect gangster.
00:50:59.980 That guy was a perfect gangster.
00:51:02.380 And he was quiet.
00:51:04.180 Now he's known to be a rat, right?
00:51:06.460 That's what the journalists around the world projected him as.
00:51:10.740 That's what the gangsters did.
00:51:12.440 But who's really the rat?
00:51:13.860 This guy did everything for him.
00:51:15.500 Gotti gave him up every which way.
00:51:17.200 And he didn't get a chance to kill Gotti.
00:51:19.100 Maybe if he got a chance to, he would have never spoke.
00:51:22.080 But instead, he was in handcuffs, going to do 10 life sentences because of Gotti's big mouth.
00:51:26.560 Because he betrayed Sammy Gravano.
00:51:28.980 Sammy didn't betray anybody.
00:51:30.240 Wait, wait.
00:51:30.800 Did you just say if Sammy had the chance to kill Gotti, he would have?
00:51:33.800 Of course.
00:51:34.360 He would have.
00:51:35.040 100%.
00:51:35.440 Do you think Sammy was a threat to Gotti because the streets saw Sammy more as the power guy than Gotti?
00:51:41.460 Because Sammy was getting all the contacts and the relay like he could eventually be a boss or not at all?
00:51:45.120 No, because Sammy didn't have an ego.
00:51:46.760 He had no aspirations to take over.
00:51:48.420 He didn't care that John wanted to be up front.
00:51:49.520 Sammy didn't want to be a boss.
00:51:50.580 No.
00:51:50.960 Sammy had no...
00:51:51.520 Was that known?
00:51:52.580 Yeah, it was known because Sammy didn't have the ego.
00:51:54.860 Sammy stood back.
00:51:55.940 Sammy only cared about making money, staying with his family.
00:51:58.080 How much time did you spend with Sammy?
00:51:59.760 Over the years, he was always around like I was around.
00:52:02.540 You know, you're watching each other.
00:52:03.560 But were you buddies?
00:52:03.960 Were you friends?
00:52:04.340 No, I wasn't buddies at all.
00:52:05.580 I was loyal to the Gottis.
00:52:06.680 So for me to say this, I was a Gotti loyalist.
00:52:09.300 I wasn't a Sammy Gravano loyalist.
00:52:11.580 But, you know, if you're going to speak about the mob and honesty and history, history needs to be correct, right?
00:52:17.460 It can't be somebody that's in love with the romance of the Gotti story.
00:52:22.120 I mean, you said something about the Gottis, which is quite interesting.
00:52:26.660 You said anything that preserves Gotti Jr.'s image is glorifying the mob.
00:52:32.100 If you're glorifying the mob, you're killing kids.
00:52:34.560 You're teaching kids to respect the coward.
00:52:38.720 You're calling John Gotti Jr. and Sr. a coward.
00:52:43.220 Is that what you're saying?
00:52:44.480 Like they were cowards?
00:52:45.520 Listen, I'm calling all of them cowards, the Gottis.
00:52:47.800 I'm calling Jeannie Gotti a coward.
00:52:49.500 He was in jail with me.
00:52:50.440 He was my cellmate.
00:52:51.360 I slapped him around in jail.
00:52:53.240 I didn't slap him around and just talk.
00:52:55.260 Teddy Persico was there, Carmine Persico's brother.
00:52:58.380 Mikey Spinelli, a known killer, was there.
00:53:00.520 Patti Della Russo, all made guys.
00:53:02.100 They were all there.
00:53:03.160 Let somebody ask him, did I do it?
00:53:05.020 Did I have Louis Andino from GQ, we used to call him, Rob Jeannie Gotti?
00:53:09.760 Did I have James Perry slap him, throw a chair at him?
00:53:12.040 Did I have Mark Giuliani do it?
00:53:14.340 Did we beat up and hurt Ali Calabrese in jail?
00:53:17.420 You see him in the Irishman they talk about, he's a gangster, he's a gangster.
00:53:20.180 Nobody did nothing about it.
00:53:21.500 Why not?
00:53:22.260 These guys were all there with me.
00:53:23.840 Everybody knows the story.
00:53:25.480 So when people say, when they talk, when they don't have knowledge of what they're speaking
00:53:28.840 about, but I'm speaking from facts.
00:53:33.140 And I ask people, look it up.
00:53:34.740 Pete Gotti never used a gun.
00:53:36.600 Never.
00:53:37.400 John Gotti Sr. never killed anybody with his own hand.
00:53:40.080 John Gotti Sr. never killed anybody?
00:53:41.560 Never with his own hand.
00:53:42.260 It's easy to ask somebody else to do it.
00:53:43.680 Here, I'll give you a gun until you kill him.
00:53:44.900 Zero.
00:53:45.320 He's never killed.
00:53:45.860 Zero.
00:53:45.960 How would you know that, though?
00:53:47.000 I know everything about him.
00:53:48.320 He's dead.
00:53:49.460 Where's everybody?
00:53:50.440 That's the part somebody may say, he doesn't have, you're going after a guy that's dead.
00:53:55.440 He can't defend himself.
00:53:56.320 Well, his son can.
00:53:57.700 Right?
00:53:57.960 He's dead.
00:53:58.680 Let him come out.
00:53:59.660 There's FBI alive.
00:54:00.800 There's so many rats out there.
00:54:02.620 Joe Messina is a rat, knows him his whole life.
00:54:05.060 Right?
00:54:05.340 Why isn't he talking about it?
00:54:06.620 Al Diarco.
00:54:07.640 Why is he talking about it?
00:54:08.780 There's a million guys out there that hung around.
00:54:10.860 All the guys that cooperated around the Gambino family, nobody put a gun in Gotti's hand ever.
00:54:16.620 I was friendly with Willie Boy Johnson before he cooperated, while he was cooperating.
00:54:20.900 We all were.
00:54:22.080 And when he spouted off, or Angelo Ruggiero spouted off, they all said the same thing.
00:54:26.940 But I'm talking about facts because you have FBI information.
00:54:30.180 You have guys that ratted.
00:54:31.680 You have guys that stayed with him.
00:54:33.320 You have Carmen Agnello.
00:54:35.820 Never used a gun.
00:54:36.820 His brother-in-law.
00:54:37.640 He ran to Cleveland.
00:54:38.900 He had a 16-count indictment.
00:54:40.240 They closed the courtroom.
00:54:41.700 What did he do to get out of it?
00:54:43.700 He got guns in his house.
00:54:45.240 I mean, these are facts.
00:54:46.560 These aren't.
00:54:47.140 You know, so when kids are looking up at these guys, I'm telling them, don't you open your
00:54:50.880 eyes, because I never opened my eyes until now.
00:54:53.320 And now that I have a voice, I can save kids' lives.
00:54:56.440 But why is the story being told otherwise?
00:55:00.180 Why is the story being told?
00:55:03.720 Because isn't one of the criterias of being a made man, you have to kill somebody, isn't
00:55:08.520 that one of the criterias?
00:55:09.400 No.
00:55:09.560 Or it's not?
00:55:10.020 No, not at all.
00:55:10.460 So you can be a made man and a boss, and you've never killed anybody.
00:55:13.180 Correct.
00:55:13.880 Okay.
00:55:14.280 The second thing.
00:55:15.060 Isn't one of the codes of being a mobster, you can never talk to a government official,
00:55:20.500 FBI, you can never do that.
00:55:22.720 Never do that.
00:55:23.340 So who's Scotty Jr. sitting with the FBI, making 302s when I'm sitting in Brazil penitentiary.
00:55:29.040 And he could give me 20 life sentences.
00:55:31.080 So tell me who betrayed who.
00:55:32.780 I'm in a jail.
00:55:33.700 I'm in a dungeon.
00:55:34.840 I'm getting beat up.
00:55:35.680 I'm not saying he didn't say anything and nobody got arrested afterwards.
00:55:37.960 That's what he says, that nothing happened.
00:55:39.960 That's what he, I'm repeating what he said.
00:55:41.320 You know it yourself.
00:55:42.580 Okay.
00:55:43.000 You find me one gangster, because he can tell that to the public, because they don't know
00:55:46.680 any better.
00:55:47.320 We know our laws.
00:55:48.980 He sat with them.
00:55:50.080 He gave information against us.
00:55:51.600 He was an informant, just like Willie Boy Johnson.
00:55:54.380 And we all, cop, please.
00:55:57.600 Joe Watts had a cop to a murder.
00:55:59.360 Danny Marino had a cop to a murder because of John's testimony.
00:56:03.580 And he refused to get on a stand against him.
00:56:05.640 He only wanted to feed information.
00:56:07.660 That's the truth of it.
00:56:08.740 He was locked up for a silver fox.
00:56:10.680 He stabbed a kid from behind his children.
00:56:12.460 It's an open murder.
00:56:13.700 He can never get locked up for it.
00:56:15.040 Why not?
00:56:16.000 Kevin Bonner testified against all of us.
00:56:17.740 Great witness.
00:56:18.380 His girlfriend, great witness.
00:56:19.480 They were all there.
00:56:20.700 There was how many testimonies that they said they'd seen him stab him.
00:56:23.280 And he admitted.
00:56:23.940 And to me, too, he admitted he did it.
00:56:25.960 He stabbed him and he killed him.
00:56:27.380 So why isn't he getting arrested for that murder?
00:56:30.360 Ask law enforcement.
00:56:31.920 Get an explanation.
00:56:32.700 But I have his 302s we put in the book.
00:56:35.540 Documents of what he was saying.
00:56:37.460 People he was giving up.
00:56:38.920 Politicians he was giving up.
00:56:40.500 Other guys he was giving up.
00:56:42.460 He gave up his friends.
00:56:43.600 He put other friends at a murder investigation that's still open.
00:56:46.300 That is never closed.
00:56:48.220 And he put them all at that location.
00:56:50.120 So for him to say to the media, first off, he did say he did rat, actually, on video.
00:56:55.860 He said he ratted.
00:56:56.760 Then he said he only ratted a little.
00:56:58.240 Then he said he only ratted against his enemies.
00:57:00.360 And then he went back and said, I was just trying to trick the FBI.
00:57:02.940 It's not even a conversation to have.
00:57:07.680 He ratted.
00:57:08.420 It's stupid.
00:57:09.080 He sat with the government.
00:57:10.160 He made a deal.
00:57:11.240 He backed up on the deal five different times.
00:57:13.720 But that's really not the issue is not what he just did at that time of ratting.
00:57:17.980 The issue is, one after another, these guys aren't using guns.
00:57:21.440 One after another, these guys' bosses, not just the Gottis, bosses around each family
00:57:26.180 are ratting.
00:57:27.600 And they're trying to take guys like me to do the killing, to do the shooting, to do
00:57:32.900 the beating, and say he's nobody.
00:57:35.520 And then use those kids to get life sentences for them.
00:57:38.580 And these guys walk away, and they make deals on the side like Gotti did.
00:57:42.100 John, how many years did you do?
00:57:43.260 How much time did you do?
00:57:44.700 I went away.
00:57:46.480 Somebody put in it six years for this, three years for this.
00:57:48.780 It's not true.
00:57:49.600 I went away for three and a half years for a gun.
00:57:52.560 I went away in Brazil for two and a half years.
00:57:54.640 I came home.
00:57:55.320 I did 10 years here for this case.
00:57:57.800 I went in and out of jail for an assault in 1991.
00:58:02.060 I went back in 2001.
00:58:03.740 I went out again in 2002, back in jail.
00:58:06.040 So when these guys talk-
00:58:07.760 How much total time?
00:58:08.540 Total time, about 18 years in and out.
00:58:09.980 How come it's 18 years if you've killed so many people?
00:58:12.660 Why are you not doing life?
00:58:14.120 Because I'm the first guy to say, when Gotti ratted,
00:58:17.180 when I came back to the United States,
00:58:19.700 and whatever happened-
00:58:20.840 Is this when Brazil extradited you?
00:58:22.360 Extradited me back.
00:58:23.580 And I got the paperwork of Gotti ratting.
00:58:26.260 When I was in Brazil, they flew to me.
00:58:27.480 They showed it to you?
00:58:28.340 They showed it.
00:58:29.780 The constantly of the family, Joseph Carrazzo,
00:58:34.700 his son, Joe Carrazzo,
00:58:36.260 was a lawyer defending Ronnie Trucchio
00:58:38.000 at the trial in Tampa.
00:58:40.480 I was absentee.
00:58:41.420 Ronnie, went on his opening statement,
00:58:43.660 was giving Junior up because Junior was ratting.
00:58:46.240 He gave me up on the drug end
00:58:48.180 because I gave him permission to give me up.
00:58:49.940 But I didn't give him permission to give me up on murders.
00:58:52.460 And he started giving me up on murders.
00:58:55.020 But that information, the whole family knows he's a rat.
00:58:57.940 He's been shelved.
00:58:58.700 He's been chased.
00:59:00.160 Did people want to kill him?
00:59:01.260 Of course they wanted to kill him.
00:59:02.440 Will they kill him?
00:59:03.260 They don't know what information he gave.
00:59:05.160 Will they kill who?
00:59:06.260 Junior?
00:59:06.660 Junior.
00:59:06.840 Because people ask, why is he alive?
00:59:08.800 Today?
00:59:09.300 Today, always.
00:59:10.600 He's always going to have something on his hand.
00:59:11.840 Who's going to kill him today?
00:59:12.720 Well, listen.
00:59:13.700 Persico died.
00:59:14.600 Callie died.
00:59:15.280 I mean, it's calmed down.
00:59:16.180 Well, Callie's not a killer,
00:59:17.060 but unfortunately he died
00:59:18.240 because I really thought he was a decent guy.
00:59:20.360 That's what a lot of people tell me.
00:59:21.380 They say he's a really decent guy.
00:59:22.600 I think the whole Gambino faction.
00:59:24.520 They thought he was trying to turn it around.
00:59:25.600 Well, I speak openly, honestly.
00:59:27.920 The Gambino faction are gentlemen.
00:59:29.380 They're quiet.
00:59:30.000 They don't bother nobody.
00:59:30.900 What they do for a living, I can't judge them.
00:59:33.240 All I'm judging is when guys are telling guys,
00:59:36.000 put a pistol in your hair and tell a kid to kill him,
00:59:38.260 I'm telling the kids don't go into their life.
00:59:40.320 I'm not telling an adult don't stay in that life.
00:59:43.040 I'm not.
00:59:43.520 How are you alive?
00:59:44.840 So you've killed all these guys.
00:59:46.500 I mean, it's not a short list of people.
00:59:48.060 If you've hit a baseball bat, 100 people, you know,
00:59:51.720 if you do something to my family and I'm in that world,
00:59:54.340 I don't know how long, you know,
00:59:55.800 so how come nobody has retaliated to you?
00:59:59.220 If you have this many numbers of hits,
01:00:02.280 how come you're still around?
01:00:03.600 You're a public figure.
01:00:04.500 You're living in New York.
01:00:05.380 It's not like you're living in Montana.
01:00:07.600 Listen, because I'm not P. Gatti.
01:00:09.160 People know I'm vicious.
01:00:10.360 And if you come after me and you don't kill me,
01:00:12.320 they know that I'm going to probably do something.
01:00:13.920 Well, I understand, but that's a pretty quick fix, though, right?
01:00:16.320 If somebody says, so just make sure he doesn't live.
01:00:18.540 So why are you alive?
01:00:19.660 Well, who's going to kill me?
01:00:20.640 P. Gatti?
01:00:21.100 No, he's in jail.
01:00:21.640 I mean, if he was out, he's in jail.
01:00:23.580 No.
01:00:24.000 Who, Jackie knows?
01:00:24.900 He never used a gun either.
01:00:25.880 Who, Mikey Scars?
01:00:26.700 No, he never used a gun.
01:00:27.720 Carmine Agnelli, he never used a gun.
01:00:29.180 Right.
01:00:29.460 You've got to go find someone who used a gun.
01:00:30.580 I'm not asking this to try to create an event.
01:00:32.880 I'm asking this question to...
01:00:34.640 But if I was worried about that, honestly,
01:00:36.800 I wouldn't live in New York.
01:00:37.560 You wouldn't live in New York.
01:00:38.200 I would drive a converter.
01:00:38.520 Yeah, I think I give you a lot of credit for that because...
01:00:42.420 And not that others who go and live in another place,
01:00:45.000 it's to each his own,
01:00:46.700 but you decide to stay in a place like that.
01:00:48.840 You know, one of the things I was thinking about
01:00:50.500 when I was looking at this...
01:00:51.620 I've got a couple other questions we'll go through here.
01:00:53.900 But one of the things I was thinking about
01:00:55.160 when I was looking at this
01:00:56.040 is sometimes the person to be the most careful with,
01:01:05.860 and I want to preface it in a way,
01:01:07.740 and you can come back and answer it in any way you want.
01:01:11.020 I just want to hear your thoughts on this.
01:01:14.060 Sometimes, say there's a kid who, you know,
01:01:19.900 he's got a brother, and the brother's born in America,
01:01:22.640 and he's not born in America,
01:01:23.920 but this kid's more driven to be a president,
01:01:26.640 and this family, the father is pressuring them
01:01:29.560 to be a president one day,
01:01:31.160 and this brother knows no matter what he does,
01:01:34.200 he can't ever become a president,
01:01:35.500 even though he wants to become a president
01:01:36.820 more than he wants to become a president,
01:01:38.340 but he can because he was born here.
01:01:39.620 This guy wasn't.
01:01:40.660 It's a law.
01:01:41.300 You can't do nothing about it, right?
01:01:42.540 Okay.
01:01:43.480 And sometimes this guy on this side,
01:01:46.780 who maybe have more qualities to be a president
01:01:50.680 than his father wants him to be,
01:01:51.860 they want to make father proud, right?
01:01:53.040 Hey, I want to be the guy that comes through
01:01:54.560 and leaves a legacy for your last name, Pops.
01:01:56.640 You came here from another country,
01:01:57.820 I'm going to do my part, Germany,
01:01:58.860 whatever you want to talk about.
01:02:01.980 In the book, 40 Laws of Power,
01:02:03.660 I don't know if you've read the book,
01:02:04.580 40 Laws of Power, Robert Greene.
01:02:05.880 Law number one, never outshine the master, right?
01:02:09.360 Do you think there was a little bit of that spirit
01:02:11.860 felt about you, or no?
01:02:13.900 That wasn't at all.
01:02:14.600 Because did they kind of get a feeling of tension
01:02:16.620 to say, this guy's a little too ambitious?
01:02:18.980 And was that kind of your frustration to say,
01:02:21.820 you know, if I can't go out there
01:02:23.020 and get all the way to the top, screw it.
01:02:25.980 I'm going to go out there
01:02:26.660 and throw everybody under the bus.
01:02:27.860 How much of it was that?
01:02:29.340 And again, if you completely disagree,
01:02:31.120 I'd love to hear your views on this.
01:02:32.900 Here's the thing.
01:02:34.000 You know what I'm saying with this part, right?
01:02:35.760 You got to understand,
01:02:36.660 in any aspect of life,
01:02:38.340 envious people and jealous people
01:02:40.300 are dangerous people, right?
01:02:41.500 So when they see that I was successful,
01:02:43.320 they see I was making money,
01:02:44.460 they see I was dangerous,
01:02:45.480 they see that I had a big crew of people.
01:02:48.480 More than Gotti's?
01:02:49.560 Gotti's didn't have it.
01:02:51.060 John Gotti Jr.,
01:02:52.080 if you can find me a killer that was around him,
01:02:54.680 besides Bobby Borrello,
01:02:56.040 because Bobby was killed,
01:02:56.920 but Bobby wasn't a kid
01:02:57.980 that could go on the street and baseball.
01:02:59.040 John, you're saying you were bigger
01:03:00.220 than Gotti Sr. and Jr.?
01:03:01.700 No, no, no, I'm not saying that.
01:03:03.200 Sr. had a ton of guys.
01:03:04.340 Jr. didn't have guys.
01:03:06.420 Jr. had not a shooter around him.
01:03:08.100 But are you making more money than Sr.?
01:03:10.100 No, no, of course not.
01:03:11.560 So the question I'm asking is,
01:03:13.760 was there a level of envy from you towards them?
01:03:16.680 No, not at all.
01:03:17.400 Listen, the respect level is this.
01:03:21.740 As you're getting older,
01:03:23.040 you're intelligent,
01:03:24.100 unless you're a dummy
01:03:25.280 and you just follow blindly.
01:03:26.660 Sure, yeah.
01:03:27.180 But you start seeing.
01:03:28.560 I was betrayed by them.
01:03:30.580 So yeah, I was loyal to the mob.
01:03:33.180 They betrayed me.
01:03:34.380 There's no way you can turn around
01:03:35.780 the fact that John Gotti Jr.
01:03:37.780 met with the government in 2003 or 2004.
01:03:41.260 And then he signed papers a year later, 2005.
01:03:44.000 He can't change that.
01:03:45.320 That's a fact.
01:03:46.480 That's when he was in
01:03:47.400 and that's when I was in the penitentiaries in Brazil.
01:03:49.660 You can't correlate.
01:03:50.760 He can't.
01:03:51.720 He can try till he's dead.
01:03:53.420 You can't correlate whatever I did for what you did.
01:03:56.300 You did this five years earlier.
01:03:58.200 So I don't know how he's even trying to correlate
01:04:00.120 whatever he did, his actions.
01:04:01.800 The rest of the mob knows he's a rat.
01:04:03.760 Okay, now did I come in after that?
01:04:06.140 Yes.
01:04:06.700 Did Ronnie want him to cooperate?
01:04:08.980 No.
01:04:09.500 But did he give a statement,
01:04:10.720 said he was afraid I'd kill him like everybody else?
01:04:13.160 Of course he did.
01:04:14.060 What kind of statement is that?
01:04:15.260 So that's okay?
01:04:16.400 Or the guy that comes in,
01:04:18.220 and he's not the only guy.
01:04:19.580 Mikey Scars cooperated, captain.
01:04:21.560 And I just said, I went through a list.
01:04:23.060 I can go through more.
01:04:24.080 So why am I loyal to a life of Italians
01:04:26.720 when I'm Albanian
01:04:29.000 and they're not loyal to their own life?
01:04:31.560 And they're giving me up at the same time.
01:04:34.040 And all my guys are giving me up.
01:04:35.760 And other guys say,
01:04:36.540 who am I being loyal to?
01:04:38.120 Because they're not being loyal to themselves.
01:04:40.440 So what do I owe them?
01:04:41.840 They owe me nothing when I left my family.
01:04:44.380 They owed me nothing when I stood in those penitentiaries.
01:04:46.860 And it wouldn't rat on my enemies.
01:04:48.200 I wouldn't rat on anybody.
01:04:49.620 I left everything to be true to that life
01:04:53.020 that I believed in.
01:04:54.100 But one after another,
01:04:55.460 made guy after a made guy,
01:04:57.540 are giving me up
01:04:58.460 and giving information against other made guys.
01:05:00.400 And bosses.
01:05:01.320 I'm not just talking about just underlings or made guys.
01:05:04.320 I'm talking about who's going to deny the fact
01:05:07.300 that these guys are ratting like crazy.
01:05:09.500 Was it public when you retired in 99 or no?
01:05:11.780 Like, did you tell them I'm retired?
01:05:12.920 Because you've said you retired in 99.
01:05:15.800 99.
01:05:16.760 In 99, are you retired?
01:05:19.600 In 99, I got out of jail, 2000.
01:05:22.000 Right.
01:05:22.600 In 2000, I don't know if I said I'd retired
01:05:25.020 or didn't retire.
01:05:25.820 I was still in a mob.
01:05:26.800 You were still in a mob.
01:05:27.780 Yeah.
01:05:28.100 So in 2001,
01:05:29.180 was there a recording you heard
01:05:30.660 with you and your uncle
01:05:31.560 where they said,
01:05:32.280 you know,
01:05:32.540 he's not a made man,
01:05:34.240 he's a skipper,
01:05:34.980 something like that.
01:05:35.840 Is there something with that recording
01:05:37.680 you heard with your uncle or no?
01:05:39.360 There was a recording.
01:05:40.660 You're talking about Stevie Newell's incident.
01:05:42.380 Yes.
01:05:42.660 And there was a meeting
01:05:44.780 with John Gotti Jr.,
01:05:46.920 Stevie Newell.
01:05:48.540 John Gotti Jr.,
01:05:49.460 excuse me,
01:05:49.940 stayed across the street,
01:05:50.820 was sending messages back and forth
01:05:52.120 to Carmen Agnello.
01:05:53.240 Pete Gotti was involved.
01:05:54.420 They're talking about hitting me.
01:05:56.700 I shot Stevie Newell,
01:05:58.240 the guy they're supposed to be protecting,
01:05:59.760 and they asked Stevie Newell,
01:06:00.920 can you kill Johnny A-Lite?
01:06:02.680 It's a joke.
01:06:03.800 You're asking the guy I just shot
01:06:05.480 that you're supposed to be protecting
01:06:06.540 to kill me.
01:06:07.220 Why didn't you kill me?
01:06:08.300 You just said you're going to protect this guy,
01:06:09.800 and I told you,
01:06:10.340 go fuck yourself,
01:06:11.020 and I shot him.
01:06:11.560 How did you hear about that
01:06:12.700 they wanted to put a hand on you?
01:06:13.760 I didn't hear about that.
01:06:14.520 I said that to them
01:06:15.420 because the FBI came to my house
01:06:17.580 and said there was a death threat on you
01:06:19.020 and we have to report it.
01:06:20.380 So instead,
01:06:21.320 they said,
01:06:21.920 are you going to tell them?
01:06:22.880 And this was in about 94.
01:06:25.260 But they said,
01:06:26.200 are you going to tell the guys?
01:06:27.000 I said, yeah, yeah.
01:06:27.920 And I went,
01:06:28.640 and I switched the story to them.
01:06:30.420 And I said,
01:06:30.880 I heard a recording.
01:06:31.980 You guys were going to kill me.
01:06:33.020 So at that same story,
01:06:36.660 I said,
01:06:37.160 well,
01:06:37.660 I just robbed Joel Cain
01:06:39.780 that you're supposed to be protecting,
01:06:41.160 and I stabbed him
01:06:41.880 a second time.
01:06:43.040 He just did nothing.
01:06:44.040 I took Richie Gotti,
01:06:45.440 senior's brother's son-in-law.
01:06:47.280 I beat him to death on the street.
01:06:48.760 He lived because the guy,
01:06:49.920 the skipper from Bonanno family,
01:06:51.600 saved his life.
01:06:52.220 The same guy that's bringing him to me,
01:06:54.380 set him up for me,
01:06:55.160 brought him to the hospital,
01:06:56.020 Ronnie G. Alenzo.
01:06:57.540 They did nothing.
01:06:58.400 I shot my cousin.
01:07:00.280 There was,
01:07:00.760 Gotti said,
01:07:01.380 don't pay the cop for payoff fee.
01:07:03.480 He did nothing.
01:07:04.720 I robbed two bookmakers around them.
01:07:07.120 They did nothing.
01:07:08.240 I beat his uncle up in jail.
01:07:09.860 They did nothing.
01:07:10.780 I beat up Ali Calabrese in prison
01:07:12.460 with other guys.
01:07:13.620 And these,
01:07:14.540 they did nothing.
01:07:15.820 They don't do nothing,
01:07:16.760 but then they went and ratted on me.
01:07:18.760 So you had your chance to kill me
01:07:20.620 over and over again.
01:07:21.560 How many things can I do to you?
01:07:23.120 He says,
01:07:23.800 but when they changed that story,
01:07:25.600 so when Charles came to me
01:07:27.740 and we can go on story after story,
01:07:29.900 and if you're so loyal to Gotti,
01:07:31.900 right,
01:07:32.200 why is he robbing Papa Vera funeral home with me?
01:07:35.300 Charles Kinnick.
01:07:36.420 Why are you robbing it with me?
01:07:37.720 In 2000 and whatever year we did it,
01:07:39.940 one, two, three,
01:07:40.760 something like that.
01:07:41.720 We robbed the funeral home
01:07:43.020 of John Gotti's main guy.
01:07:45.700 He was buried there.
01:07:46.800 He had his funeral there.
01:07:47.960 I didn't give a shit.
01:07:49.200 He was alive.
01:07:49.980 Actually,
01:07:50.240 we robbed it in 94.
01:07:51.380 Excuse me.
01:07:52.120 Gotti just went to jail.
01:07:53.540 So if I'm this guy
01:07:54.400 that don't care about anything,
01:07:55.340 and why is a maid guy
01:07:56.340 running around with me robbing?
01:07:57.740 If he doesn't answer to me,
01:08:00.240 if he doesn't respect me,
01:08:02.180 if they don't think I'm nothing,
01:08:04.040 why are you robbing?
01:08:04.960 Why do you have no respect
01:08:06.080 for the Gottis doing that with me?
01:08:07.920 Why are you helping me,
01:08:08.980 giving me guns
01:08:09.600 to shoot my cousin
01:08:10.540 that's around Ross
01:08:12.160 from the Genovese family,
01:08:13.620 and he's running a bread union with him?
01:08:15.760 Why are you coming
01:08:17.220 and giving me a machine gun
01:08:18.660 and a 9mm
01:08:19.380 to kill John Gotti Jr.,
01:08:20.760 Pete Gotti,
01:08:21.660 and commenting Nello?
01:08:23.060 And if that's not true,
01:08:24.780 get the guys
01:08:25.720 that testified against me.
01:08:26.880 See, one of them is my cousin
01:08:27.740 and knows about it.
01:08:29.440 And well,
01:08:30.180 Kubo,
01:08:30.900 Kubinelli,
01:08:31.600 I put the guns in his safe.
01:08:33.340 He's a tattoo guy in the neighborhood.
01:08:34.520 He's still around.
01:08:35.700 If it ain't true,
01:08:36.380 well, Andrew Di Donato
01:08:37.260 that wrote a book about it
01:08:38.300 and said Nicky Carrazzo
01:08:39.040 told him, yeah,
01:08:40.060 but he didn't mention it.
01:08:40.980 He didn't know it was me
01:08:41.620 that was going to do it.
01:08:42.640 And I wouldn't give the guns back.
01:08:44.020 So why are they so afraid of me
01:08:47.740 if I'm this junkie nobody?
01:08:50.040 Right?
01:08:50.260 So the point is
01:08:51.820 I ran through these guys
01:08:53.580 and they never did anything.
01:08:55.580 And my message is still the same.
01:08:58.000 That's the past.
01:08:59.240 I'm a different guy now.
01:09:00.580 If I wasn't,
01:09:01.700 I would be retaliating against guys
01:09:03.600 when they talk so much
01:09:04.600 the way I used to.
01:09:05.880 Now I send the message.
01:09:07.560 My life has changed.
01:09:09.080 I'm the same guy.
01:09:10.700 I mean, don't get me wrong.
01:09:11.960 If somebody tries to hurt me,
01:09:12.980 I'm going to protect myself.
01:09:14.200 But my message is to kids.
01:09:16.520 Day and night
01:09:17.260 it's going to be the kids
01:09:18.000 to stay away from this life.
01:09:20.140 When did you cooperate?
01:09:21.220 Was it 05 when you cooperated?
01:09:23.320 No, I cooperated
01:09:24.240 when I came back about 07.
01:09:27.000 07 is when you cooperated?
01:09:27.880 It was 07.
01:09:29.700 Yeah, it was 07 towards 08.
01:09:33.020 Article say 2005.
01:09:34.620 No, no.
01:09:35.180 Was it 07?
01:09:35.860 I'm in Brazil penitentiary.
01:09:36.920 Got it cooperated 2004 and 2005.
01:09:39.620 2004 and 2005, yeah.
01:09:40.520 I come back
01:09:41.020 like three or four years later
01:09:43.220 and I sign officially
01:09:44.400 about five years later.
01:09:45.720 What's the story
01:09:46.580 when you went to court
01:09:47.740 to testify,
01:09:48.780 this one of the jury members,
01:09:50.940 Paul Peregine,
01:09:52.880 Peregine,
01:09:53.440 however you want to pronounce,
01:09:54.520 I want to hear your views
01:09:55.320 from this.
01:09:55.800 Almost the entire jury
01:09:56.760 didn't believe
01:09:57.440 the star witness yourself.
01:09:59.200 He wasn't credible at all.
01:10:00.900 What is this all about?
01:10:02.140 It's written about
01:10:02.680 in different places.
01:10:04.280 Well, first of all,
01:10:05.300 this guy,
01:10:05.720 you know,
01:10:06.300 we use terminology
01:10:07.440 as a mob hump.
01:10:09.020 So he's a mob hump.
01:10:10.360 Yeah,
01:10:10.640 why would you go out
01:10:11.400 to dinner with Gotti
01:10:12.080 after the trial?
01:10:13.320 Why'd you go socialize
01:10:14.240 with him for?
01:10:15.140 That's first off.
01:10:16.200 Second,
01:10:16.840 I can't control
01:10:17.740 what other witnesses
01:10:18.600 say on the stand.
01:10:20.820 You know,
01:10:21.060 if somebody says
01:10:21.720 something different
01:10:22.460 that didn't even hang
01:10:23.320 around us,
01:10:24.120 like Peter Sicarra,
01:10:25.940 he's, you know,
01:10:26.440 he's a big mouth.
01:10:27.240 He worked with me.
01:10:28.200 He stayed with me.
01:10:29.500 He was going to set up
01:10:30.500 the murder of Pete Gotti,
01:10:32.700 Junior Gotti,
01:10:33.340 and Carmine Agnello.
01:10:34.760 But his brother was dead.
01:10:36.080 His brother's a tough guy.
01:10:36.940 These guys used to come
01:10:37.780 visit me in prison
01:10:38.560 or whatever.
01:10:39.360 So when he says something
01:10:40.920 on the stand,
01:10:42.740 I can't control
01:10:43.420 what he says.
01:10:44.300 He never came
01:10:45.040 to our clubs.
01:10:46.580 Actually,
01:10:47.080 Johnny King sent me
01:10:47.860 to hurt him too
01:10:48.460 when he first came home.
01:10:50.060 And what's his name?
01:10:51.300 Prevett was there.
01:10:52.100 Dave Prevett owns
01:10:52.880 a junkyard
01:10:53.420 by Shea Stadium,
01:10:54.280 the old Shea Stadium.
01:10:55.440 He was there
01:10:56.060 when I went for him.
01:10:57.280 So when these guys
01:10:58.100 are talking,
01:10:58.660 I can't change it.
01:10:59.280 But here's one of the reasons
01:11:00.160 why this jury
01:11:00.740 didn't believe me.
01:11:02.240 Because there's guys,
01:11:03.520 witness after witness,
01:11:04.620 saying I'm too dangerous
01:11:05.680 on all the trials,
01:11:06.700 get the paperwork,
01:11:07.640 that this guy
01:11:08.200 can't control me.
01:11:09.940 Partially,
01:11:10.460 they are right.
01:11:11.000 He can't control me
01:11:11.800 and everything,
01:11:12.260 but I do work
01:11:12.780 for the Gambino family.
01:11:14.160 So their view is
01:11:15.340 I'm lying
01:11:15.840 because no one's
01:11:16.580 controlling me.
01:11:17.560 Because Joel Kane
01:11:18.500 got on the stand
01:11:19.240 saying one thing.
01:11:21.020 Johnny,
01:11:21.640 another kid,
01:11:22.560 gets on the stand
01:11:23.220 saying,
01:11:23.500 God,
01:11:23.700 he never did anything.
01:11:24.520 He likes crazy.
01:11:25.540 He baseball bat me.
01:11:26.420 Stevie Newell's
01:11:27.120 getting on the stand
01:11:27.780 saying,
01:11:28.040 Johnny A. Light shot me.
01:11:29.280 Ronnie,
01:11:29.720 one of them,
01:11:29.980 I'm saying,
01:11:30.440 I'm scared
01:11:30.900 Johnny A. Light's
01:11:31.680 going to kill me.
01:11:32.400 I'm a captain
01:11:32.920 in the Gambino family.
01:11:33.980 So what is the jury
01:11:34.800 going to say?
01:11:35.880 They say,
01:11:36.200 this guy's a maniac,
01:11:37.220 out of control.
01:11:38.240 Since I came home,
01:11:39.920 the Gotti family,
01:11:41.640 this is a fact,
01:11:43.180 the Gotti family
01:11:43.920 wrote my parole,
01:11:45.120 the whole family,
01:11:46.000 wrote,
01:11:46.240 I don't know
01:11:46.560 how many letters
01:11:47.100 to my parole,
01:11:47.840 wrote to my parole's boss,
01:11:49.060 wrote to my judge,
01:11:51.020 2013,
01:11:52.180 14.
01:11:53.100 Gotti had his writer
01:11:54.180 write them
01:11:54.680 and say,
01:11:55.160 hey, I'm a killer
01:11:55.780 and I'm going to kill
01:11:56.960 somebody in the Gotti family.
01:11:58.200 They need to lock me up.
01:11:59.540 You're going to kill
01:12:00.200 somebody in the Gotti family.
01:12:01.380 And I'm going to kill
01:12:02.240 the brother or somebody
01:12:03.040 in their family.
01:12:03.680 They need to lock me up.
01:12:04.800 I violated my parole.
01:12:05.980 Every gangster
01:12:06.600 around the streets,
01:12:07.900 active and not active,
01:12:08.980 still in touch with me.
01:12:09.980 I'm in the drug business.
01:12:10.980 I'm still in the construction
01:12:11.860 business.
01:12:12.780 And I'm a nobody,
01:12:13.720 but everybody from every crew
01:12:14.880 is getting in touch with me.
01:12:15.940 So what are these letters?
01:12:18.240 And Gotti himself
01:12:19.180 and his lawyers
01:12:20.060 wrote a letter
01:12:20.620 into the judge
01:12:21.380 saying that he feared
01:12:22.780 for his life.
01:12:23.740 And his sister
01:12:24.380 wrote a letter in 1992.
01:12:25.900 He doesn't have the stomach
01:12:26.900 for the mob world.
01:12:29.340 So,
01:12:30.620 but my thing
01:12:31.760 with the Gottis
01:12:32.340 is it's not about the Gottis.
01:12:33.720 It's about the Gambino family.
01:12:35.220 The thing about correlating
01:12:36.660 John Gotti Jr.
01:12:37.860 becoming a rat
01:12:38.600 in 2004, 2005
01:12:40.320 has completely nothing
01:12:42.020 to do with me
01:12:42.660 while I'm in a penitentiary
01:12:43.620 in Brazil.
01:12:44.400 I'm just curious
01:12:45.280 how they keep trying
01:12:46.100 to correlate him ratting
01:12:47.380 and me coming in
01:12:48.500 after the fact
01:12:49.260 for three,
01:12:50.380 four, five years later.
01:12:51.540 The correlation
01:12:52.440 doesn't even make
01:12:53.160 a little sense.
01:12:54.140 Who's behind the website?
01:12:55.400 Who's behind the website?
01:12:56.260 John Gotti Jr.
01:12:57.460 How certain are you of that?
01:12:58.840 A hundred percent.
01:12:59.580 The guy Chris Casparoza
01:13:00.780 said he works
01:13:01.360 for John Gotti Jr.
01:13:02.620 The guy who runs
01:13:03.320 the website?
01:13:03.940 Says he works
01:13:04.480 for John Gotti Jr.
01:13:06.080 This is very similar
01:13:07.200 to what the Scientology
01:13:09.100 Church does.
01:13:10.240 I'm sorry,
01:13:10.680 I don't mean to cut you off.
01:13:11.560 No, it's okay.
01:13:11.960 Go on my Google.
01:13:13.980 Read my Wikipedia.
01:13:15.500 He controls it.
01:13:16.420 He locked it.
01:13:17.000 He changed the writing
01:13:18.520 of what was on Wikipedia.
01:13:20.000 Who did?
01:13:20.940 John Gotti Jr.
01:13:21.920 Chris Casparoza.
01:13:23.160 You can't even rewrite
01:13:24.240 on it if you want.
01:13:25.200 When's the last time
01:13:26.000 you were in contact
01:13:26.740 with John Gotti Jr.?
01:13:28.200 I was in Long Island
01:13:29.640 at a diner
01:13:30.280 when I first came home.
01:13:31.620 Thirteen.
01:13:32.700 Thirteen.
01:13:33.320 I had a meeting
01:13:33.840 there with a couple guys
01:13:34.880 and six police cars came
01:13:36.360 and they informed me
01:13:38.220 that Gotti called up
01:13:39.320 and said that he feared
01:13:40.880 that I was going to kill him
01:13:41.640 that he lives around
01:13:42.500 the corner somewhere.
01:13:43.900 I don't know
01:13:44.220 if that's true or not.
01:13:44.900 Did you see him or no?
01:13:45.560 No, I didn't see him.
01:13:46.840 And then the letters
01:13:47.540 started coming into my parole
01:13:48.880 that I left my area
01:13:50.060 and I've been in different areas
01:13:51.880 in New York
01:13:52.460 and I'm not allowed
01:13:53.260 to leave New Jersey,
01:13:54.240 Philadelphia area.
01:13:55.600 So the thing
01:13:57.540 that is mind-boggling
01:13:59.360 to me is the way
01:14:00.440 he won't let this go.
01:14:02.680 I even gave up
01:14:03.380 social media years ago
01:14:04.900 because I'm not going
01:14:06.180 to play these kid games
01:14:07.060 with him forever.
01:14:07.620 But the answer
01:14:10.720 is still back
01:14:11.300 to the same thing.
01:14:12.340 How are you correlating
01:14:13.440 if you became a rat
01:14:14.660 anything to do with me?
01:14:17.420 Would you like
01:14:18.000 to face off with him?
01:14:19.020 Not fight.
01:14:19.860 Face off and have
01:14:20.480 a conversation with him.
01:14:21.460 Would you want to sit down?
01:14:22.480 I'll sit here tomorrow
01:14:23.320 with you.
01:14:23.880 Get him on the air
01:14:24.540 when we're going
01:14:24.940 to talk about him.
01:14:25.820 We'll start with his father
01:14:26.980 so we don't have
01:14:27.580 to talk about him.
01:14:28.740 We'll talk about his father.
01:14:29.800 I want to know
01:14:30.440 when did he ever use a gun.
01:14:32.140 I want to know
01:14:32.900 when a gun was in his hand
01:14:34.120 besides that fantasy story
01:14:35.840 he told in his book
01:14:36.660 that his father left
01:14:37.920 Greenhaven
01:14:38.600 in one of the prisons
01:14:39.480 and there's two marshal's
01:14:40.980 with him.
01:14:41.300 They went to a dentist's office.
01:14:42.640 He went out the back door.
01:14:44.060 So he had about 30 people
01:14:45.400 that were witnesses
01:14:46.040 that he was brought
01:14:46.760 to a dentist's office
01:14:47.300 and went out the door
01:14:47.760 and he did a murder.
01:14:49.020 That's the best he could
01:14:49.900 come to a murder
01:14:50.520 for his father.
01:14:52.820 The kid's got to know.
01:14:55.080 The kid's got to know.
01:14:55.760 Was his father
01:14:56.460 now let me straighten
01:14:57.300 something out.
01:14:57.780 Was his father a gangster?
01:14:59.000 100%.
01:14:59.760 Was he from the street?
01:15:01.660 100%.
01:15:02.540 Did he have a lot
01:15:04.140 of guys killed?
01:15:04.860 100%.
01:15:05.680 Was he a big earner?
01:15:07.640 No.
01:15:08.360 Was he a degenerate gambler?
01:15:09.720 Yes.
01:15:10.640 Was he a tough guy?
01:15:12.080 Yeah he was a street guy.
01:15:13.420 Was he a killer
01:15:14.200 with his own hand?
01:15:15.180 No.
01:15:16.180 Did he have killers
01:15:17.100 around him?
01:15:17.700 Yes.
01:15:18.200 He had a ton
01:15:18.660 of killers around him.
01:15:19.820 Bobby Boriello
01:15:20.580 was one of them.
01:15:21.240 Johnny Cornelia
01:15:21.820 was one of them.
01:15:23.020 Eddie Lino
01:15:23.600 was one of them.
01:15:24.340 Joe Watts
01:15:24.920 was a big one.
01:15:26.160 Sammy?
01:15:26.940 Sammy without a doubt.
01:15:28.320 Who was the most feared
01:15:29.640 out of all of those guys?
01:15:31.720 Sammy and Joe Watts
01:15:32.740 without a doubt.
01:15:33.340 Without a doubt.
01:15:34.720 Without a doubt.
01:15:35.260 Johnny was tough
01:15:36.360 for him too
01:15:36.820 but without a doubt.
01:15:38.080 At the peak
01:15:38.580 when you were on Sammy
01:15:39.500 what was the different
01:15:40.380 energy you felt
01:15:41.220 from Sammy
01:15:41.780 than you felt
01:15:42.340 about the senior?
01:15:43.940 Senior,
01:15:44.480 even as a kid
01:15:45.220 senior wanted
01:15:45.760 to intimidate you.
01:15:47.440 Right?
01:15:48.300 So I grew up
01:15:49.540 in the street.
01:15:50.200 He wanted to fear
01:15:50.880 you know
01:15:51.160 and as a kid
01:15:52.260 I was intimidated
01:15:52.940 him.
01:15:53.220 I would be a liar
01:15:53.720 to say I was.
01:15:54.220 Sure.
01:15:54.900 You know
01:15:55.220 I was intimidated
01:15:56.180 him.
01:15:56.460 I was impressed
01:15:56.980 by him.
01:15:57.900 But then as you're
01:15:58.720 growing
01:15:59.040 and you understand
01:16:00.180 the world
01:16:00.640 it's like going
01:16:01.160 to kindergarten
01:16:01.720 you work your way
01:16:02.480 up to college.
01:16:03.560 When I looked
01:16:04.040 at Sammy
01:16:04.560 you've seen
01:16:05.320 complete confidence.
01:16:07.740 He walked
01:16:08.340 with confidence.
01:16:09.120 He didn't try
01:16:09.500 to stay you down.
01:16:10.360 He said hello.
01:16:11.040 He didn't try
01:16:11.380 to intimidate you.
01:16:12.300 Hey kid.
01:16:12.940 And even to today
01:16:13.760 if you ask him
01:16:14.380 when he met me
01:16:14.880 he doesn't know
01:16:15.480 and of course
01:16:16.000 he doesn't know
01:16:16.540 because I was a kid.
01:16:17.540 He met me
01:16:18.000 at the clubs
01:16:18.520 he said.
01:16:19.420 He said hello
01:16:19.940 but he doesn't
01:16:20.620 specifically remember
01:16:21.660 the conversation
01:16:22.260 because I'm a nobody.
01:16:23.300 I'm a kid
01:16:23.680 growing up
01:16:24.260 and he's
01:16:25.180 you know
01:16:26.280 he's an underboss.
01:16:27.860 So why
01:16:28.460 would he pay
01:16:28.880 attention
01:16:29.180 to guys
01:16:29.860 that say
01:16:30.180 they know me
01:16:30.800 and I don't
01:16:31.180 remember them
01:16:31.740 because I'm
01:16:32.540 in a different
01:16:32.960 level.
01:16:33.560 You're not going
01:16:33.880 to remember
01:16:34.220 these guys
01:16:34.940 but he was
01:16:36.000 always a gentleman
01:16:36.680 and as time
01:16:38.300 went on
01:16:38.720 yes he's seen
01:16:39.780 me more
01:16:40.180 and he said
01:16:40.500 hello more
01:16:41.020 but if you ask
01:16:41.880 him specifically
01:16:42.500 what do we talk
01:16:43.080 about he won't
01:16:43.520 remember
01:16:43.740 but I remember
01:16:44.300 because to me
01:16:45.400 it was a big deal
01:16:46.080 just like it was
01:16:46.640 a big deal
01:16:47.120 talking to Gotti
01:16:47.880 Senior.
01:16:48.680 But then you
01:16:49.200 learn and you
01:16:50.100 decipher
01:16:50.640 hey is this guy
01:16:52.060 a good leader?
01:16:52.800 When you start
01:16:53.220 watching people
01:16:53.960 that are good
01:16:54.380 leaders through
01:16:55.420 history whether
01:16:56.420 it's in law
01:16:57.020 enforcement like
01:16:58.120 we talk about
01:16:58.740 Rudy Giuliani
01:16:59.480 right highly
01:17:00.600 intelligent guy
01:17:01.520 good leader
01:17:02.520 he decimated
01:17:04.780 the mafia
01:17:05.900 but he made
01:17:06.980 a statement
01:17:07.480 I did an
01:17:08.200 interview down
01:17:08.860 in Albania
01:17:09.480 about the
01:17:10.300 five families
01:17:10.920 and the
01:17:12.300 interviewist
01:17:12.940 very famous
01:17:14.280 guy down
01:17:14.780 there in
01:17:15.080 the Balkans
01:17:15.620 Blendy
01:17:16.280 said that
01:17:17.420 Gotti Senior
01:17:17.940 had a gun
01:17:18.420 on him
01:17:18.720 and I left
01:17:19.440 I says
01:17:20.040 you're wrong
01:17:20.500 and he says
01:17:21.640 well that's
01:17:22.400 what Rudy Giuliani
01:17:23.240 I said
01:17:23.680 all due respect
01:17:24.740 to Rudy Giuliani
01:17:25.940 and I have
01:17:26.420 a lot of
01:17:26.780 respect for him
01:17:27.400 is he wasn't
01:17:29.180 in the car
01:17:29.620 but Sammy
01:17:30.160 Gravano was
01:17:30.880 and there was
01:17:32.140 no gun
01:17:32.600 in Gotti's
01:17:33.120 lap
01:17:33.380 or hand
01:17:33.800 or jacket
01:17:34.740 he had no
01:17:35.440 intention
01:17:35.800 to getting
01:17:36.180 out of that
01:17:36.580 car
01:17:36.840 no matter
01:17:37.260 what
01:17:37.560 he was just
01:17:38.080 going to
01:17:38.280 send Sammy
01:17:38.740 out
01:17:38.960 Sammy
01:17:39.300 had the gun
01:17:39.760 so it
01:17:40.860 depends on
01:17:41.340 where this
01:17:41.660 information
01:17:42.060 is coming
01:17:42.420 from
01:17:42.720 Phil Barone
01:17:43.720 right
01:17:44.480 and I'm
01:17:44.940 going to
01:17:45.340 slide back
01:17:45.960 for a second
01:17:46.520 was one of
01:17:47.280 the guys
01:17:47.640 who was an
01:17:48.000 ex-detective
01:17:48.700 that testified
01:17:49.940 in Gotti's
01:17:51.340 trials
01:17:51.640 and he
01:17:52.320 and this
01:17:53.760 is the reason
01:17:54.200 maybe I had
01:17:54.660 problem with
01:17:55.060 some of
01:17:55.240 these juries
01:17:55.640 and he said
01:17:56.220 he didn't
01:17:56.600 know
01:17:56.960 when we
01:17:57.800 were going
01:17:58.140 to kill
01:17:58.580 Georgie
01:17:59.220 Grasso
01:17:59.680 this is
01:18:00.660 the detective
01:18:01.320 that lived
01:18:02.380 up the block
01:18:02.900 from me
01:18:03.260 this is
01:18:03.960 the detective
01:18:04.540 that when
01:18:05.820 I moved
01:18:06.160 to Cherry Hill
01:18:06.720 New Jersey
01:18:07.160 two hours
01:18:07.680 away
01:18:08.000 he moved
01:18:08.520 next door
01:18:08.980 to me
01:18:09.200 this is
01:18:09.880 the detective
01:18:10.400 that went
01:18:10.760 to Mexico
01:18:11.260 with me
01:18:11.760 he's my
01:18:12.220 bookmaking
01:18:12.700 partner
01:18:13.040 with me
01:18:13.400 he's selling
01:18:14.140 drugs
01:18:14.480 with me
01:18:14.740 he's doing
01:18:15.120 armed robberies
01:18:15.880 with me
01:18:16.280 but he
01:18:18.240 didn't know
01:18:18.620 I was going
01:18:18.960 to shoot
01:18:19.180 this guy
01:18:19.540 in the head
01:18:19.920 who the fuck
01:18:21.060 is going
01:18:21.240 to believe
01:18:21.600 that
01:18:21.860 who's stupid
01:18:22.460 enough
01:18:22.700 to believe
01:18:23.080 that
01:18:23.360 so if a jury
01:18:24.640 thinks
01:18:25.040 because he's
01:18:25.860 saying
01:18:26.140 he didn't
01:18:26.780 know
01:18:27.060 and Peter
01:18:28.480 Sicarra
01:18:29.020 the other
01:18:29.420 guy
01:18:29.640 is saying
01:18:30.020 he met
01:18:31.080 me in
01:18:31.520 McDonald's
01:18:32.880 somewhere
01:18:33.160 and I said
01:18:33.540 I don't even
01:18:33.800 know where
01:18:34.080 there's a
01:18:34.280 McDonald's
01:18:34.800 we met
01:18:35.260 in Burger King
01:18:35.840 for a different
01:18:36.440 occasion
01:18:36.880 whatever
01:18:37.580 stories
01:18:38.080 these guys
01:18:38.600 are telling
01:18:38.960 the only
01:18:39.340 difference
01:18:39.720 between
01:18:39.920 my stories
01:18:40.560 and them
01:18:40.960 and his
01:18:41.800 minds
01:18:42.080 are truth
01:18:42.620 and I
01:18:43.020 don't say
01:18:43.700 I didn't
01:18:44.600 kill
01:18:44.840 these guys
01:18:45.240 I don't
01:18:45.560 say
01:18:45.800 I didn't
01:18:46.040 shoot
01:18:46.280 these guys
01:18:46.680 I don't
01:18:46.940 say
01:18:47.100 I ain't
01:18:47.320 involved
01:18:47.700 in baseball
01:18:48.140 batting
01:18:48.460 these guys
01:18:48.860 but when
01:18:49.680 these guys
01:18:50.160 want to
01:18:50.480 insult
01:18:50.720 somebody
01:18:51.120 and say
01:18:51.440 you're only
01:18:51.800 on vacation
01:18:52.440 with me
01:18:52.860 Phil Barone
01:18:53.720 couldn't get
01:18:54.160 further up
01:18:54.620 my ass
01:18:55.140 you're a
01:18:56.140 detective
01:18:56.640 that ran
01:18:57.560 around with
01:18:57.920 that badge
01:18:58.440 with me
01:18:58.800 and we did
01:18:59.240 everything
01:18:59.600 together
01:19:00.080 for 20
01:19:00.680 something
01:19:00.960 years
01:19:01.400 you were
01:19:02.240 giving us
01:19:02.600 information
01:19:03.240 when Jeannie
01:19:04.880 Gotti and
01:19:05.340 Johnny
01:19:05.520 Knig had
01:19:06.000 a problem
01:19:06.520 you were
01:19:07.460 giving
01:19:07.580 information
01:19:08.260 that
01:19:09.120 John Gotti
01:19:10.800 Sr.
01:19:11.100 and Sammy
01:19:11.680 were going
01:19:11.980 to get
01:19:12.180 pinched
01:19:12.500 when they
01:19:12.700 got
01:19:12.860 pinched
01:19:13.180 in 90
01:19:13.560 where
01:19:14.540 was that
01:19:14.800 information
01:19:15.240 come from
01:19:15.840 it was
01:19:16.220 coming from
01:19:16.580 Phil Barone
01:19:17.100 where did
01:19:17.500 he get
01:19:17.820 it from
01:19:18.140 so when
01:19:19.420 these guys
01:19:19.840 are talking
01:19:20.360 with Morgan
01:19:20.820 Thau's
01:19:21.240 driver
01:19:21.780 the district
01:19:22.980 attorney's
01:19:23.560 driver
01:19:23.900 Jimmy
01:19:24.260 I'm in
01:19:25.240 his house
01:19:25.720 why am I
01:19:26.620 able to
01:19:27.000 describe your
01:19:27.520 whole house
01:19:27.900 if you're
01:19:28.160 not involved
01:19:28.620 with me
01:19:28.960 what the
01:19:29.520 fuck was
01:19:29.840 I doing
01:19:30.140 in your
01:19:30.380 house
01:19:30.700 did his
01:19:32.720 lawyers do
01:19:33.220 a good
01:19:33.500 job
01:19:33.820 yeah his
01:19:34.620 lawyers did
01:19:35.000 a good
01:19:35.180 job
01:19:35.440 he had
01:19:36.240 a lawyer
01:19:36.580 John
01:19:37.060 Mariglio
01:19:38.020 who was
01:19:38.280 a fantastic
01:19:39.080 attorney
01:19:39.580 every time
01:19:40.060 he walked
01:19:40.460 in
01:19:40.680 I said
01:19:41.540 oh this
01:19:41.820 guy again
01:19:42.300 not because
01:19:43.720 you're lying
01:19:44.720 because you
01:19:45.140 know they're
01:19:45.500 going to
01:19:45.660 pick your
01:19:45.940 part
01:19:46.140 they're
01:19:46.340 intelligent
01:19:46.820 so when
01:19:47.420 you're
01:19:47.540 understanding
01:19:47.980 we can't
01:19:48.480 have these
01:19:48.840 conversations
01:19:49.520 of course
01:19:50.700 they're going
01:19:50.980 to pick
01:19:51.220 you apart
01:19:51.540 they're going
01:19:52.600 and they're
01:19:52.900 getting
01:19:53.060 paperwork
01:19:53.540 and I'll
01:19:54.300 give you
01:19:54.480 an example
01:19:55.000 I had
01:19:56.620 tons of
01:19:57.140 paperwork
01:19:57.460 from Brazil
01:19:58.020 extradition
01:19:58.700 and I was
01:19:59.360 fighting
01:19:59.760 my case
01:20:00.720 Marco
01:20:01.780 this guy
01:20:02.780 I sent
01:20:03.700 him 750,000
01:20:04.860 he stole
01:20:05.280 it
01:20:05.500 he denied
01:20:06.600 it
01:20:06.780 a buddy
01:20:07.540 of mine
01:20:07.840 put all
01:20:08.180 the documents
01:20:08.720 with the
01:20:09.020 money
01:20:09.180 transfers
01:20:09.560 to Brazil
01:20:10.200 and he
01:20:10.800 showed
01:20:10.960 he stole
01:20:11.300 the money
01:20:11.700 Gotti
01:20:12.120 was friends
01:20:12.560 with him
01:20:13.260 Gotti
01:20:13.700 had him
01:20:13.940 do a
01:20:14.200 video
01:20:14.480 but Gotti
01:20:15.800 doesn't
01:20:16.040 tell everybody
01:20:16.640 this guy
01:20:17.260 when I was
01:20:17.720 locked up
01:20:18.280 facing life
01:20:18.960 in the death
01:20:19.380 sentence
01:20:19.720 took all
01:20:20.440 my paperwork
01:20:21.020 and sent
01:20:21.480 it back
01:20:21.760 to the United
01:20:22.080 States
01:20:22.380 government
01:20:22.860 to give
01:20:23.580 me a life
01:20:23.940 sentence
01:20:24.300 on Gotti's
01:20:25.160 behalf
01:20:25.520 so when
01:20:26.760 I'm on the
01:20:28.680 stand
01:20:29.000 they said
01:20:29.860 they got
01:20:30.180 all my
01:20:30.460 papers
01:20:30.840 did you
01:20:32.060 say this
01:20:32.660 yes
01:20:33.200 is this
01:20:34.080 part true
01:20:34.740 no
01:20:35.100 is that
01:20:35.480 part true
01:20:35.940 no
01:20:36.240 is that
01:20:36.860 part true
01:20:37.200 no I'm
01:20:37.540 lying
01:20:37.780 because back
01:20:39.000 then I
01:20:39.300 wasn't
01:20:39.580 cooperating
01:20:40.160 so I
01:20:40.900 said that's
01:20:41.220 when I
01:20:41.400 was a
01:20:41.640 gangster
01:20:42.020 this album
01:20:42.580 was going
01:20:42.800 to beat
01:20:43.020 my cases
01:20:43.540 yeah I
01:20:43.940 did order
01:20:44.320 a murder
01:20:44.920 from Brazil
01:20:45.700 where you're
01:20:46.420 going to kill
01:20:46.760 this guy
01:20:47.100 from Brazil
01:20:47.500 it's all
01:20:47.860 in the
01:20:48.040 sleep
01:20:48.260 but I'm
01:20:49.100 trying to
01:20:49.560 say yeah
01:20:50.780 you could
01:20:51.320 take that
01:20:51.700 paperwork
01:20:52.080 some of
01:20:52.440 it's real
01:20:52.700 some of
01:20:52.940 it's fake
01:20:53.240 I'm trying
01:20:53.600 to save
01:20:53.880 my life
01:20:54.360 now I'm
01:20:55.280 on the
01:20:55.560 stand
01:20:55.860 testifying
01:20:56.860 against a
01:20:57.840 guy who I
01:20:58.320 called
01:20:58.660 Whitey Bulger
01:20:59.360 you gave
01:21:00.120 me up
01:21:00.600 would you
01:21:01.760 think was I
01:21:02.280 a fool
01:21:02.660 I was
01:21:02.980 going to
01:21:03.140 say I'm
01:21:03.440 going to
01:21:03.560 go to
01:21:03.740 jail
01:21:03.920 and do
01:21:04.140 10 life
01:21:04.560 sentences
01:21:04.920 for a
01:21:05.320 guy that
01:21:06.240 had my
01:21:06.880 best friend
01:21:07.460 from college
01:21:08.100 Timmy Donovan
01:21:08.820 testify against
01:21:10.080 me because
01:21:10.460 you said
01:21:10.840 to so he
01:21:11.840 did and he
01:21:12.660 testified for
01:21:13.340 you when
01:21:14.600 you have
01:21:14.920 the Acardi
01:21:15.380 brothers the
01:21:16.020 famous
01:21:16.540 Traficani
01:21:17.100 family John
01:21:17.920 and Jason
01:21:18.320 and the
01:21:18.640 father
01:21:18.900 testified
01:21:19.400 against me
01:21:20.120 because God
01:21:20.980 he said
01:21:21.240 they could
01:21:21.620 or you
01:21:22.620 have Robert
01:21:23.120 Lamidola
01:21:23.740 testify against
01:21:24.740 me because
01:21:25.220 God he said
01:21:25.780 he could
01:21:26.100 or Joe
01:21:27.160 Cain give
01:21:27.660 fake information
01:21:28.560 on the stand
01:21:29.120 because he
01:21:29.440 said so
01:21:29.820 or Johnny
01:21:30.420 the car thief
01:21:31.420 that I
01:21:31.680 baseball batted
01:21:32.380 because
01:21:32.540 God he said
01:21:34.040 so I
01:21:34.980 could go
01:21:35.280 through some
01:21:35.720 more names
01:21:36.220 that he
01:21:36.800 told everybody
01:21:37.420 to testify
01:21:37.860 against me
01:21:38.480 they couldn't
01:21:39.320 kill me
01:21:39.780 so this was
01:21:40.300 the way
01:21:40.500 they were
01:21:40.640 going to
01:21:40.840 kill me
01:21:41.100 he was
01:21:41.260 right on
01:21:41.620 me
01:21:41.800 so when
01:21:42.280 I came
01:21:42.640 back
01:21:43.020 and I
01:21:43.900 got all
01:21:44.200 the paperwork
01:21:44.680 and I
01:21:45.100 found out
01:21:45.580 everybody's
01:21:46.120 testifying
01:21:46.620 against
01:21:46.920 and giving
01:21:47.220 me up
01:21:47.680 then yes
01:21:48.900 I did
01:21:49.240 come in
01:21:49.620 and I
01:21:50.020 never hid
01:21:50.440 the fact
01:21:50.800 I'm not
01:21:51.140 like everybody
01:21:51.600 else
01:21:52.000 I said
01:21:52.940 they betrayed
01:21:53.760 me I
01:21:54.180 didn't betray
01:21:54.600 anybody
01:21:55.060 so when I
01:21:56.300 came in
01:21:56.800 it was years
01:21:57.400 after John
01:21:58.040 was in
01:21:58.360 it was years
01:21:58.880 after Mikey
01:21:59.440 Scars was in
01:22:00.200 it was years
01:22:01.000 in Captain
01:22:02.080 it was years
01:22:02.920 in Fat Dom
01:22:04.020 was giving
01:22:05.040 people up
01:22:05.880 it was a made
01:22:06.280 guy
01:22:06.460 these are all
01:22:06.920 Gotti's guys
01:22:07.520 they're all
01:22:08.760 talking I'm not
01:22:09.400 talking I left
01:22:10.360 my family
01:22:11.060 I left my money
01:22:12.880 I went penniless
01:22:13.880 I lived in Cuba
01:22:14.780 I lived in
01:22:15.340 Colombia
01:22:15.740 I lived in
01:22:16.320 Africa
01:22:16.720 not to rat
01:22:18.440 so when these
01:22:19.380 guys switching
01:22:20.000 this dates
01:22:20.940 can't lie
01:22:21.600 paperwork
01:22:22.280 can't lie
01:22:22.960 the only difference
01:22:24.180 is I've always
01:22:24.700 been a man
01:22:25.140 I stand on my
01:22:25.800 two feet
01:22:26.360 so when I
01:22:27.240 came in
01:22:27.640 I come in
01:22:28.180 and I don't
01:22:28.580 hide the fact
01:22:29.180 he's betrayed
01:22:29.740 me I owe
01:22:30.160 you nothing
01:22:30.620 it's interesting
01:22:35.600 listening to
01:22:36.140 these stories
01:22:36.680 you know for
01:22:37.220 me
01:22:37.540 I've interviewed
01:22:39.840 a few CIA
01:22:40.640 agents
01:22:41.100 one of the
01:22:41.520 one we
01:22:41.800 interviewed
01:22:42.120 she was
01:22:42.640 the chief
01:22:43.120 disguised
01:22:43.600 officer
01:22:44.120 of the
01:22:44.420 US
01:22:44.620 government
01:22:45.000 so she
01:22:45.600 would disguise
01:22:46.120 faces
01:22:46.660 and she
01:22:47.540 went to
01:22:47.780 Bush
01:22:47.940 one time
01:22:48.400 she disguised
01:22:48.980 the face
01:22:49.420 Bush
01:22:49.820 couldn't
01:22:50.040 recognize
01:22:50.420 and she
01:22:50.920 took the
01:22:51.220 mask off
01:22:51.700 saying how
01:22:52.000 great of a
01:22:52.440 disguise
01:22:52.740 this was
01:22:53.220 she married
01:22:54.640 another CIA
01:22:55.860 agent
01:22:56.340 because they
01:22:57.080 met each
01:22:57.420 other in
01:22:57.640 the business
01:22:58.140 I said
01:22:59.260 let me ask
01:22:59.620 you a question
01:23:00.080 how do you
01:23:02.340 how do you
01:23:02.960 believe each
01:23:03.460 other
01:23:03.760 she says
01:23:04.980 it's a very
01:23:05.680 good question
01:23:06.200 I said
01:23:06.480 because both
01:23:07.460 of you are
01:23:07.920 trained to
01:23:09.000 lie for
01:23:09.620 good reason
01:23:10.260 right
01:23:11.080 because you
01:23:11.700 lie to
01:23:13.040 protect your
01:23:13.620 country
01:23:13.940 so if you
01:23:14.400 sit down
01:23:14.780 with a
01:23:15.060 Russian
01:23:15.300 operative
01:23:15.920 you're not
01:23:16.740 going to
01:23:16.960 tell every
01:23:17.340 story
01:23:17.640 you're going
01:23:17.900 to lie
01:23:18.140 as much
01:23:18.460 as you
01:23:18.680 can
01:23:18.900 right
01:23:19.220 so
01:23:20.640 how does
01:23:21.640 one
01:23:22.100 when
01:23:22.440 sitting
01:23:23.140 and you
01:23:23.480 hear
01:23:23.680 all
01:23:23.860 these
01:23:24.060 stories
01:23:24.660 somebody
01:23:28.000 who's
01:23:28.320 not in
01:23:28.620 the world
01:23:29.000 you're
01:23:29.280 just
01:23:29.420 listening
01:23:29.720 to the
01:23:30.000 stories
01:23:30.380 you hear
01:23:32.240 so many
01:23:32.720 different
01:23:33.000 sides
01:23:33.320 and everybody
01:23:33.740 sounds
01:23:34.080 convincing
01:23:34.520 well you
01:23:35.640 have to
01:23:36.020 take
01:23:36.360 like I
01:23:37.020 just
01:23:37.200 said
01:23:37.420 you have
01:23:37.760 to take
01:23:38.060 Ronnie
01:23:38.360 one
01:23:38.580 on his
01:23:38.840 opening
01:23:39.080 statement
01:23:39.500 why did
01:23:40.420 he say
01:23:40.700 that
01:23:40.940 why did
01:23:41.660 he
01:23:41.740 say
01:23:41.900 he fears
01:23:42.300 I'm
01:23:42.460 going to
01:23:42.600 kill
01:23:42.760 him
01:23:42.840 you're
01:23:42.980 a
01:23:43.100 captain
01:23:43.400 why would
01:23:44.820 the guy
01:23:45.200 I shoot
01:23:45.780 say he's
01:23:46.540 seen
01:23:46.840 guys from
01:23:47.800 the Gambino
01:23:48.320 family
01:23:48.620 skip
01:23:48.920 his answer
01:23:49.360 to me
01:23:49.660 why would
01:23:50.460 you have
01:23:50.800 the underboss
01:23:51.720 of the Gambino
01:23:52.400 family
01:23:52.820 say
01:23:53.200 he was
01:23:54.360 our hit
01:23:54.740 man
01:23:54.960 for the Gambino
01:23:55.640 family
01:23:55.980 specifically
01:23:56.480 for the
01:23:56.960 Gottis
01:23:57.280 he was
01:23:57.600 their
01:23:57.740 strong
01:23:58.000 why would
01:23:58.920 you have
01:23:59.400 Mikey
01:23:59.800 Skipper
01:24:01.040 John Gotti
01:24:02.180 Jr.'s
01:24:02.540 best friend
01:24:02.940 right hand
01:24:03.340 man
01:24:03.600 say I'm
01:24:04.580 there
01:24:04.940 during
01:24:05.760 these
01:24:05.960 conversations
01:24:06.560 why would
01:24:07.600 I be
01:24:07.940 in
01:24:08.140 Gotti's
01:24:08.620 wedding
01:24:08.920 why am
01:24:09.780 I
01:24:09.920 on a
01:24:10.200 list
01:24:10.400 giving
01:24:10.640 him
01:24:10.800 5,000
01:24:11.420 at
01:24:11.620 the
01:24:11.740 Helmsley
01:24:12.020 Palace
01:24:12.340 there's
01:24:12.620 only
01:24:12.800 a
01:24:12.940 handful
01:24:13.240 of
01:24:13.400 gangsters
01:24:13.820 around
01:24:14.100 the
01:24:14.280 world
01:24:14.480 there
01:24:14.760 why
01:24:15.680 am
01:24:15.840 I
01:24:15.960 in
01:24:16.020 his
01:24:16.140 sister's
01:24:16.580 wedding
01:24:16.780 I mean
01:24:17.000 this is
01:24:17.300 very
01:24:17.520 simple
01:24:17.880 it's
01:24:18.440 not
01:24:18.640 my
01:24:18.860 word
01:24:19.180 why
01:24:19.940 am
01:24:20.080 I
01:24:20.260 saying
01:24:20.700 he's
01:24:20.960 a
01:24:21.080 rat
01:24:21.240 I
01:24:21.380 have
01:24:21.560 the
01:24:21.700 paperwork
01:24:22.140 I
01:24:23.340 come
01:24:23.640 in
01:24:23.800 years
01:24:24.100 later
01:24:24.420 after
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01:24:24.880 already
01:24:25.120 fucked
01:24:25.440 me
01:24:25.660 so
01:24:26.360 this
01:24:26.620 is
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01:24:27.040 this
01:24:27.380 is
01:24:27.520 step
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01:24:28.020 not
01:24:28.160 my
01:24:28.380 word
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01:24:29.680 is
01:24:29.820 step
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01:24:30.280 step
01:24:30.600 when
01:24:31.060 I
01:24:31.200 was
01:24:31.360 on
01:24:31.520 the
01:24:31.660 stand
01:24:31.920 I
01:24:32.160 couldn't
01:24:32.360 show
01:24:42.340 to
01:24:42.780 one
01:24:43.020 that
01:24:43.180 this
01:24:43.360 detectives
01:24:43.980 selling
01:24:44.640 drugs
01:24:44.980 with
01:24:45.180 me
01:24:45.380 robbing
01:24:46.160 with
01:24:46.380 me
01:24:46.600 book
01:24:47.060 making
01:24:47.360 with
01:24:47.580 me
01:24:47.760 moves
01:24:48.340 next
01:24:48.640 door
01:24:48.840 to
01:24:48.940 me
01:24:49.020 in
01:24:49.140 Cherry
01:24:49.360 Hill
01:24:49.560 all
01:24:50.300 the
01:24:50.520 real
01:24:50.740 estate
01:24:50.980 in
01:24:51.080 the
01:24:51.180 world
01:24:51.360 you
01:24:51.520 came
01:24:51.720 to
01:24:51.860 Cherry
01:24:52.100 Hill
01:24:52.280 to
01:24:52.420 sit
01:24:52.580 next
01:24:52.780 to
01:24:52.900 me
01:24:53.060 what
01:24:53.680 are
01:24:53.760 you
01:24:53.840 doing
01:24:54.020 at
01:24:54.140 my
01:24:54.280 house
01:24:54.520 every
01:24:54.760 day
01:24:55.000 how
01:24:55.400 many
01:24:55.560 pictures
01:24:55.820 you
01:24:56.000 want
01:24:56.160 because
01:24:56.300 after
01:24:56.520 this
01:24:56.760 week
01:24:56.920 I
01:24:57.060 could
01:24:57.180 give
01:24:57.320 you
01:24:57.400 pictures
01:24:57.760 what
01:24:59.340 is
01:24:59.520 Carmine
01:25:00.040 Nello
01:25:00.480 never
01:25:01.520 shot
01:25:01.820 a gun
01:25:02.020 in his
01:25:12.340 asking
01:25:12.660 anybody
01:25:12.940 to
01:25:13.120 believe
01:25:13.360 what
01:25:13.520 I'm
01:25:13.660 saying
01:25:14.000 just
01:25:14.460 look
01:25:14.640 at
01:25:14.740 the
01:25:14.880 facts
01:25:15.200 why
01:25:15.480 are
01:25:15.580 these
01:25:15.720 guys
01:25:15.960 talking
01:25:16.500 like
01:25:16.700 this
01:25:16.960 who
01:25:17.740 do
01:25:17.820 you
01:25:17.920 trust
01:25:18.200 today
01:25:18.480 are you
01:25:19.520 easy
01:25:19.900 to
01:25:20.100 trust
01:25:20.360 people
01:25:20.600 today
01:25:20.860 or
01:25:21.000 after
01:25:21.180 a
01:25:21.320 life
01:25:21.480 like
01:25:21.660 this
01:25:21.780 I
01:25:42.340 friends
01:25:42.740 is
01:25:42.900 friends
01:25:43.260 of
01:25:43.420 mine
01:25:43.640 that
01:25:43.760 I
01:25:43.860 grew
01:25:44.000 up
01:25:44.120 since
01:25:44.300 were
01:25:44.440 kids
01:25:44.720 that
01:25:44.860 are
01:25:44.940 attorneys
01:25:45.380 court
01:25:45.800 stenographers
01:25:46.340 with
01:25:46.720 five
01:25:47.000 years
01:25:47.200 old
01:25:47.380 and
01:25:47.480 my
01:25:47.600 friend
01:25:47.800 my
01:25:47.980 friend
01:25:48.180 Michael
01:25:48.480 Jacobs
01:25:48.860 I
01:25:49.040 know
01:25:49.180 him
01:25:49.300 since
01:25:49.480 he's
01:25:49.620 five
01:25:49.860 years
01:25:50.020 old
01:25:50.200 these
01:25:50.920 guys
01:25:51.200 have
01:25:51.400 no
01:25:51.620 agendas
01:25:52.060 but
01:25:52.380 friendship
01:25:53.080 they're
01:25:53.880 not
01:25:54.100 weasels
01:25:54.520 with
01:25:54.740 money
01:25:55.040 they're
01:25:55.740 not
01:25:55.960 calling
01:25:56.360 somebody
01:25:56.720 trying to
01:25:57.120 set
01:25:57.280 me up
01:25:57.580 from
01:25:57.740 behind
01:25:58.020 my
01:25:58.180 back
01:25:58.480 they're
01:25:58.900 not
01:25:59.080 guys
01:25:59.440 that
01:25:59.640 are
01:25:59.820 dying
01:26:00.180 to
01:26:00.320 make
01:26:00.480 their
01:26:00.640 name
01:26:00.880 themselves
01:26:01.320 off
01:26:01.600 me
01:26:01.780 and
01:26:02.280 you
01:26:02.400 got
01:26:02.560 guys
01:26:02.980 that
01:26:03.220 I'll
01:26:03.420 call
01:26:03.680 up
01:26:03.960 and
01:26:04.100 I'll
01:26:04.260 give
01:26:04.360 you
01:26:04.440 an
01:26:04.560 example
01:26:04.980 a
01:26:05.880 guy
01:26:06.060 calls
01:26:06.400 me
01:26:06.560 out
01:26:06.680 of
01:26:06.760 nowhere
01:26:07.020 fake
01:26:07.380 number
01:26:07.720 and
01:26:08.080 he
01:26:08.220 tells
01:26:08.420 me
01:26:08.540 he's
01:26:08.660 part
01:26:08.880 of
01:26:08.980 a
01:26:09.100 crew
01:26:09.340 Albanians
01:26:11.420 I
01:26:11.680 don't
01:26:11.800 talk
01:26:12.060 against
01:26:12.360 Albanians
01:26:12.860 I
01:26:13.020 try
01:26:13.200 not
01:26:13.380 to
01:26:13.560 kill
01:26:13.760 Albanians
01:26:14.160 or
01:26:14.280 hurt
01:26:14.420 Albanians
01:26:14.740 in
01:26:14.840 my
01:26:14.980 life
01:26:15.300 and
01:26:16.580 he
01:26:16.860 claims
01:26:17.260 he's
01:26:17.520 involved
01:26:17.940 in
01:26:18.100 a
01:26:18.220 crew
01:26:18.400 of
01:26:18.540 Albanians
01:26:18.900 that
01:26:19.020 went
01:26:19.160 to
01:26:19.320 jail
01:26:19.520 and
01:26:21.020 he
01:26:21.520 said
01:26:21.780 some
01:26:21.960 choice
01:26:22.260 words
01:26:22.560 for
01:26:22.700 me
01:26:22.880 so
01:26:23.600 I
01:26:23.760 told
01:26:23.980 him
01:26:24.180 you
01:26:24.700 know
01:26:24.840 why
01:26:25.040 I
01:26:25.180 said
01:26:25.340 I'm
01:26:25.500 going
01:26:25.580 to
01:26:25.640 give
01:26:25.760 you
01:26:25.840 15
01:26:26.240 seconds
01:26:26.680 this
01:26:27.020 is
01:26:27.120 what
01:26:27.220 I'm
01:26:27.320 going
01:26:27.400 to
01:26:27.460 do
01:26:27.600 for
01:26:27.720 you
01:26:27.860 I
01:26:28.340 says
01:26:28.560 first
01:26:29.020 if
01:26:29.500 you
01:26:29.660 are
01:26:29.840 who
01:26:29.980 you
01:26:30.140 are
01:26:30.420 I
01:26:31.020 know
01:26:31.160 you're
01:26:31.340 a
01:26:31.460 dog
01:26:31.760 I
01:26:32.580 says
01:26:32.700 because
01:26:32.980 while
01:26:33.220 your
01:26:33.400 friends
01:26:33.680 are
01:26:33.840 in
01:26:34.000 prison
01:26:34.360 what
01:26:34.880 are
01:26:34.960 you
01:26:35.040 doing
01:26:35.260 home
01:26:35.580 I
01:26:36.520 said
01:26:36.640 second
01:26:36.920 if
01:26:37.080 they
01:26:37.160 had
01:26:37.300 no
01:26:37.440 evidence
01:26:37.760 against
01:26:38.140 you
01:26:38.360 when
01:26:38.960 all
01:26:39.120 your
01:26:39.240 friends
01:26:39.500 went
01:26:39.980 to
01:26:51.960 as
01:26:52.600 much
01:26:52.840 as
01:26:52.980 I
01:26:53.180 don't
01:26:54.020 want
01:26:54.160 to
01:26:54.280 disrespect
01:26:54.660 them
01:26:55.020 they
01:26:55.580 didn't
01:26:55.760 kill
01:26:55.960 anybody
01:26:56.320 so
01:26:57.500 where
01:26:58.240 do
01:26:58.340 these
01:26:58.540 guys
01:26:58.800 get
01:26:59.020 off
01:26:59.240 talking
01:26:59.700 or
01:27:00.220 even
01:27:00.480 questioning
01:27:01.120 me
01:27:01.520 or
01:27:01.860 my
01:27:02.100 life
01:27:02.460 when
01:27:02.620 they
01:27:02.700 have
01:27:02.820 no
01:27:02.980 knowledge
01:27:03.360 of
01:27:03.540 it
01:27:03.680 so
01:27:04.400 I
01:27:04.700 have
01:27:04.860 no
01:27:05.120 business
01:27:05.580 questioning
01:27:06.120 your
01:27:06.380 life
01:27:06.800 or
01:27:07.120 disrespecting
01:27:07.960 you
01:27:08.080 in
01:27:08.200 any
01:27:08.360 which
01:27:08.620 way
01:27:08.940 unless
01:27:09.840 I
01:27:10.720 was
01:27:10.900 involved
01:27:11.320 with
01:27:11.540 you
01:27:11.720 or
01:27:12.000 unless
01:27:12.420 I
01:27:12.620 told
01:27:12.940 you
01:27:13.080 I
01:27:13.220 used
01:27:13.400 the
01:27:13.520 name
01:27:13.680 earlier
01:27:14.020 Vito
01:27:14.340 Guzzo
01:27:14.660 because
01:27:15.020 like
01:27:15.960 him
01:27:16.100 or
01:27:16.280 leave
01:27:16.520 him
01:27:16.700 or
01:27:17.120 like
01:27:17.360 or
01:27:17.540 disagree
01:27:17.920 with
01:27:18.180 his
01:27:18.360 crew
01:27:18.620 of
01:27:19.060 crimes
01:27:19.380 and
01:27:19.540 they
01:27:19.660 try
01:27:19.840 to
01:27:19.980 kill
01:27:20.140 me
01:27:20.320 in
01:27:20.580 reports
01:27:21.440 all
01:27:21.660 the
01:27:21.800 guys
01:27:21.980 that
01:27:22.120 cooperated
01:27:22.660 said
01:27:22.900 they
01:27:23.380 tried
01:27:23.540 to
01:27:23.660 kill
01:27:23.760 me
01:27:23.900 ten
01:27:24.140 times
01:27:24.540 so
01:27:25.420 they
01:27:26.620 have
01:27:26.900 the
01:27:27.080 right
01:27:27.300 to
01:27:27.480 talk
01:27:27.740 about
01:27:27.980 me
01:27:28.140 because
01:27:28.460 we
01:27:28.680 were
01:27:28.860 back
01:27:29.600 and
01:27:29.800 forth
01:27:30.080 trying
01:27:30.420 to
01:27:30.540 kill
01:27:30.720 each
01:27:30.900 other
01:27:31.040 shooting
01:27:31.320 each
01:27:31.540 other
01:27:31.780 robbing
01:27:32.440 each
01:27:32.620 other
01:27:32.880 so
01:27:33.640 they
01:27:33.820 do
01:27:34.000 have
01:27:34.140 the
01:27:34.260 right
01:27:34.480 even
01:27:35.020 if
01:27:35.180 I
01:27:35.260 disagree
01:27:35.660 I
01:27:36.420 personally
01:27:36.860 give
01:27:37.140 them
01:27:37.440 respect
01:27:38.580 either
01:27:39.260 way
01:27:39.580 if
01:27:39.840 I
01:27:39.960 like
01:27:40.200 them
01:27:40.300 and
01:27:40.400 I
01:27:40.800 respect
01:27:41.120 them
01:27:41.320 there's
01:27:41.460 a
01:27:41.580 difference
01:27:41.880 like
01:27:42.100 in
01:27:42.240 sports
01:27:42.580 like
01:27:42.820 anything
01:27:43.140 but
01:27:43.780 when
01:27:44.000 guys
01:27:44.280 are
01:27:44.440 talking
01:27:44.780 out
01:27:45.020 of
01:27:45.120 school
01:27:45.420 that
01:27:45.700 don't
01:27:45.900 even
01:27:46.100 understand
01:27:46.620 this
01:27:46.860 life
01:27:47.180 and
01:27:47.880 they
01:27:48.000 get
01:27:48.180 on
01:27:48.340 a
01:27:48.460 chat
01:27:48.740 and
01:27:48.860 they
01:27:48.960 want
01:27:49.120 to
01:27:49.220 feel
01:27:49.420 important
01:27:49.840 especially
01:27:50.320 when
01:27:50.540 guys
01:27:50.760 reach
01:27:51.020 out
01:27:51.220 to
01:27:51.340 me
01:27:51.540 and
01:27:52.040 talk
01:27:52.400 they're
01:27:52.780 only
01:27:52.960 talking
01:27:53.320 because
01:27:53.580 this
01:27:53.780 isn't
01:27:54.880 1985
01:27:55.440 or
01:27:55.840 or
01:27:56.440 87
01:27:56.800 or
01:27:57.380 90
01:27:57.800 or
01:27:58.040 95
01:27:58.440 we
01:27:58.700 all
01:27:58.840 of
01:27:59.060 course
01:27:59.420 okay
01:27:59.700 so
01:28:00.420 the
01:28:00.920 biggest
01:28:01.300 mistake
01:28:01.780 anybody
01:28:02.160 ever
01:28:02.480 made
01:28:02.740 in
01:28:02.880 life
01:28:03.240 is
01:28:04.180 when
01:28:04.640 they
01:28:04.800 challenge
01:28:05.160 and
01:28:05.340 threaten
01:28:05.580 somebody
01:28:06.100 because
01:28:06.680 that's
01:28:06.980 usually
01:28:07.240 when
01:28:07.560 you
01:28:08.060 talk
01:28:08.580 to
01:28:08.740 a
01:28:08.900 serious
01:28:09.200 guy
01:28:09.540 that
01:28:10.320 you
01:28:11.500 can
01:28:11.660 have
01:28:11.840 an
01:28:11.980 issue
01:28:12.220 now
01:28:12.660 with
01:28:13.500 me
01:28:13.760 I
01:28:14.000 don't
01:28:14.120 take
01:28:14.340 them
01:28:14.500 serious
01:28:14.780 because
01:28:14.980 there's
01:28:16.400 a lot
01:28:17.540 of
01:28:17.640 guys
01:28:17.880 out
01:28:18.080 there
01:28:18.240 that
01:28:18.380 don't
01:28:18.580 like
01:28:18.820 me
01:28:19.040 but
01:28:19.400 they're
01:28:21.500 not
01:28:21.660 on
01:28:21.800 the
01:28:21.900 internet
01:28:22.120 talking
01:28:22.520 about
01:28:22.800 it
01:28:22.960 those
01:28:23.560 are
01:28:23.660 the
01:28:23.760 guys
01:28:24.000 I
01:28:24.140 got
01:28:24.260 to
01:28:24.360 worry
01:28:24.560 about
01:28:24.840 not
01:28:25.300 these
01:28:25.520 idiots
01:28:29.700 Johnny
01:28:29.820 Burke
01:28:30.120 I'm
01:28:30.300 going
01:28:30.380 to
01:28:30.420 use
01:28:30.640 him
01:28:30.780 he's
01:28:31.020 got
01:28:31.360 a
01:28:31.460 life
01:28:31.620 sentence
01:28:31.940 this
01:28:32.760 is
01:28:32.880 a
01:28:33.020 guy
01:28:33.280 that
01:28:33.500 was
01:28:33.620 around
01:28:33.940 the
01:28:34.340 Ruggiano
01:28:34.740 family
01:28:35.220 who was
01:28:36.140 a drug
01:28:36.440 addict
01:28:36.700 got
01:28:37.220 baseball
01:28:37.640 batted
01:28:38.000 by
01:28:38.160 Carmine
01:28:38.580 and
01:28:38.720 John
01:28:38.920 Gotti
01:28:39.180 Jr
01:28:39.420 did
01:28:39.780 nothing
01:28:40.040 about
01:28:40.360 it
01:28:40.540 this
01:28:41.300 is
01:28:41.420 a
01:28:41.540 guy
01:28:41.760 that
01:28:41.960 let
01:28:42.220 his
01:28:42.360 family
01:28:42.660 sit
01:28:42.940 in
01:28:43.040 the
01:28:43.160 street
01:28:43.440 with
01:28:43.680 no
01:28:43.860 money
01:28:44.140 didn't
01:28:44.360 buy
01:28:44.540 him
01:28:44.660 a
01:28:44.760 house
01:28:44.940 I
01:28:45.120 had to
01:28:45.300 give
01:28:45.400 him
01:28:45.500 $60,000
01:28:46.120 to buy
01:28:46.480 the house
01:28:46.740 this
01:28:47.280 is
01:28:47.400 a
01:28:47.540 guy
01:28:47.700 that
01:28:47.860 left
01:28:48.180 Citrus
01:28:49.180 County
01:28:49.520 jail
01:28:49.820 twice
01:28:50.320 to
01:28:51.040 go
01:28:51.180 meet
01:28:51.360 with
01:28:51.500 the
01:28:51.620 prosecutors
01:28:52.060 he
01:28:52.300 didn't
01:28:52.420 go
01:28:52.520 to
01:28:52.660 Disney
01:28:52.920 World
01:28:53.180 and
01:28:54.180 try
01:28:54.560 to
01:28:54.660 make
01:28:54.820 a
01:28:54.940 deal
01:28:55.160 this
01:28:55.920 is
01:28:56.040 a
01:28:56.180 guy
01:28:56.320 whose
01:28:56.500 mother
01:28:56.760 threatened
01:28:57.100 us
01:28:57.280 in
01:28:57.400 2001
01:28:58.020 if
01:28:58.280 we
01:28:58.400 didn't
01:28:58.560 give
01:28:58.700 him
01:28:58.840 money
01:28:59.040 he
01:28:59.200 was
01:28:59.340 going
01:28:59.480 to
01:28:59.580 rat
01:28:59.820 this
01:29:00.860 is
01:29:01.020 a
01:29:01.160 guy
01:29:01.520 that
01:29:01.960 got
01:29:02.120 run
01:29:02.340 over
01:29:02.580 by
01:29:02.800 Brendan
01:29:03.160 Gebbett
01:29:03.600 and
01:29:03.780 did
01:29:03.920 nothing
01:29:04.200 about
01:29:04.540 it
01:29:04.700 said
01:29:04.880 in
01:29:04.980 the
01:29:05.020 hospital
01:29:05.400 they
01:29:05.620 came
01:29:05.820 running
01:29:06.000 to
01:29:06.180 me
01:29:06.380 can
01:29:06.560 you
01:29:06.680 help
01:29:06.880 me
01:29:07.060 this
01:29:07.460 is
01:29:07.560 a
01:29:07.660 guy
01:29:07.840 that
01:29:07.960 was
01:29:08.120 with
01:29:08.320 me
01:29:08.440 on
01:29:08.580 the
01:29:08.700 robbery
01:29:09.080 in
01:29:09.920 Valley
01:29:10.280 Street
01:29:10.520 when
01:29:10.720 I
01:29:10.840 robbed
01:29:11.060 Jojo
01:29:11.400 Carrazzo
01:29:11.840 and
01:29:12.020 Ronnie
01:29:12.260 One
01:29:12.440 Arm's
01:29:12.640 bookmaker
01:29:13.120 that
01:29:13.440 refused
01:29:13.820 to
01:29:14.020 come
01:29:14.180 he
01:29:14.300 was
01:29:14.420 scared
01:29:14.700 this
01:29:15.500 is
01:29:15.620 a
01:29:15.740 guy
01:29:15.880 whose
01:29:16.080 brother
01:29:16.440 married
01:29:16.880 a
01:29:17.040 police
01:29:17.280 officer
01:29:17.680 but
01:29:17.880 calls
01:29:18.140 everybody
01:29:18.580 a
01:29:18.780 rat
01:29:19.000 this
01:29:19.680 is
01:29:19.800 a
01:29:19.880 guy
01:29:20.100 who
01:29:20.340 they
01:29:20.580 did
01:29:20.800 the
01:29:20.980 whole
01:29:21.200 house
01:29:21.480 of
01:29:21.600 an
01:29:21.740 FBI
01:29:22.040 agent
01:29:22.520 for
01:29:22.780 free
01:29:23.100 him
01:29:23.660 and
01:29:23.740 his
01:29:23.860 brother
01:29:24.080 were
01:29:24.240 meeting
01:29:24.500 with
01:29:24.700 him
01:29:24.820 but
01:29:25.200 he
01:29:25.300 calls
01:29:25.520 everybody
01:29:25.920 a
01:29:26.080 rat
01:29:26.260 this
01:29:26.980 is
01:29:27.120 a
01:29:27.260 guy
01:29:27.400 who
01:29:27.540 teaches
01:29:27.840 his
01:29:28.080 kids
01:29:28.300 to
01:29:28.480 talk
01:29:28.680 just
01:29:28.920 like
01:29:29.200 him
01:29:29.400 and
01:29:30.060 this
01:29:30.220 is
01:29:30.340 the
01:29:30.480 problem
01:29:30.760 why
01:29:31.060 I
01:29:31.220 keep
01:29:31.420 doing
01:29:31.660 these
01:29:31.820 shows
01:29:32.040 for
01:29:32.240 kids
01:29:32.500 because
01:29:33.460 don't
01:29:33.960 follow
01:29:34.240 these
01:29:34.480 guys
01:29:34.760 they're
01:29:35.120 full
01:29:35.300 of
01:29:35.440 shit
01:29:35.680 they
01:29:36.260 ain't
01:29:36.420 about
01:29:36.700 nothing
01:29:37.060 and
01:29:37.300 this
01:29:37.440 is
01:29:37.540 a
01:29:37.660 guy
01:29:37.840 that
01:29:38.000 I
01:29:38.820 won't
01:29:39.000 say
01:29:39.160 his
01:29:39.360 last
01:29:39.580 name
01:29:39.760 shot
01:29:40.060 him
01:29:40.180 in
01:29:40.280 the
01:29:40.380 throat
01:29:40.660 because
01:29:41.400 he
01:29:41.560 talked
01:29:41.800 too
01:29:41.940 much
01:29:42.120 Johnny
01:29:42.400 Burke
01:29:42.680 this
01:29:43.200 is
01:29:43.360 guy
01:29:43.680 in
01:29:43.900 jail
01:29:44.240 that
01:29:44.440 was
01:29:44.560 getting
01:29:44.760 shaken
01:29:45.080 down
01:29:45.500 and
01:29:46.100 in
01:29:46.260 Citrus
01:29:46.560 County
01:29:46.940 when
01:29:47.100 he
01:29:47.220 came
01:29:47.420 to
01:29:47.560 the
01:29:47.700 jail
01:29:47.880 I
01:29:48.040 was
01:29:48.200 at
01:29:48.380 I
01:29:48.500 got
01:29:48.660 him
01:29:48.760 in
01:29:48.860 a
01:29:48.960 sally
01:29:49.200 port
01:29:49.500 and
01:29:49.960 I
01:29:50.060 told
01:29:50.280 him
01:29:50.420 I
01:29:50.520 know
01:29:50.620 you're
01:29:50.820 rat
01:29:50.960 and
01:29:51.060 he
01:29:51.140 cried
01:29:51.400 this
01:29:52.220 is
01:29:52.340 the
01:29:52.480 same
01:29:52.700 guy
01:29:52.900 that's
01:29:53.120 talking
01:29:53.420 on
01:29:53.620 internets
01:29:54.100 and
01:29:54.300 because
01:29:54.880 they
01:29:55.040 can
01:29:55.200 use
01:29:56.580 the
01:29:56.720 internet
01:29:57.020 now
01:29:57.240 from
01:29:57.420 prison
01:29:57.720 this
01:29:58.340 is
01:29:58.460 a
01:29:58.580 guy
01:29:58.820 that
01:29:59.020 if
01:29:59.180 I
01:29:59.340 told
01:29:59.620 him
01:29:59.780 to
01:29:59.900 do
01:30:00.100 anything
01:30:00.420 I
01:30:00.620 wanted
01:30:00.940 he
01:30:01.100 would
01:30:01.240 have
01:30:01.360 did
01:30:01.540 it
01:30:01.700 and
01:30:01.980 said
01:30:02.200 please
01:30:02.520 can
01:30:02.720 I
01:30:02.820 do
01:30:02.940 it
01:30:03.060 again
01:30:03.300 so
01:30:04.280 when
01:30:04.520 they
01:30:04.640 able
01:30:04.900 to
01:30:05.100 talk
01:30:05.420 on
01:30:05.580 internets
01:30:06.020 and
01:30:06.140 computers
01:30:06.680 because
01:30:07.240 it's
01:30:07.760 a
01:30:07.880 different
01:30:08.120 world
01:30:08.540 but
01:30:09.360 no
01:30:09.720 one
01:30:09.840 is
01:30:09.940 talking
01:30:10.200 about
01:30:10.480 this
01:30:10.680 and
01:30:10.800 his
01:30:10.960 family
01:30:11.240 doesn't
01:30:11.540 know
01:30:11.700 all
01:30:11.840 this
01:30:11.960 stuff
01:30:12.140 but
01:30:12.300 his
01:30:12.460 mother
01:30:12.640 knows
01:30:12.980 that
01:30:13.180 you
01:30:13.360 and
01:30:13.480 I
01:30:13.600 made
01:30:14.020 guys
01:30:14.860 that
01:30:15.000 are
01:30:15.080 cooperating
01:30:15.740 Patsy
01:30:16.300 Adriano
01:30:16.920 Dave
01:30:17.480 Darpino
01:30:18.120 Peter
01:30:19.260 Sicaro
01:30:19.800 I
01:30:19.880 made
01:30:20.040 every
01:30:20.240 one
01:30:20.520 of
01:30:20.620 them
01:30:20.760 before
01:30:21.340 all
01:30:21.560 these
01:30:21.760 cases
01:30:22.060 come
01:30:22.340 go
01:30:22.580 pay
01:30:22.760 his
01:30:22.920 mother
01:30:23.120 before
01:30:23.420 he
01:30:23.600 snitches
01:30:24.000 any
01:30:24.160 rats
01:30:24.420 on
01:30:24.580 us
01:30:24.700 and
01:30:25.100 there's
01:30:25.220 a
01:30:25.320 guy
01:30:25.440 in
01:30:25.560 1994
01:30:26.280 got
01:30:26.840 out
01:30:26.980 of
01:30:27.100 trouble
01:30:27.460 for
01:30:28.200 a
01:30:28.840 state
01:30:29.080 case
01:30:29.420 and
01:30:29.540 got
01:30:29.760 out
01:30:29.940 of
01:30:30.020 jail
01:30:30.200 that
01:30:30.340 we
01:30:30.480 were
01:30:30.600 questioned
01:30:30.940 how
01:30:31.140 he
01:30:31.280 got
01:30:31.440 out
01:30:31.700 and
01:30:32.320 I
01:30:32.420 can
01:30:32.580 go
01:30:32.800 on
01:30:33.120 with
01:30:33.900 more
01:30:34.200 stories
01:30:34.580 about
01:30:34.880 him
01:30:35.040 so
01:30:35.740 when
01:30:37.060 these
01:30:37.260 guys
01:30:37.500 talk
01:30:37.840 the
01:30:38.000 problem
01:30:38.380 is
01:30:38.720 their
01:30:39.680 mouths
01:30:39.940 not
01:30:40.200 sewed
01:30:41.520 shut
01:30:41.800 you
01:30:42.120 can't
01:30:42.400 stop
01:30:42.680 them
01:30:42.800 from
01:30:42.960 talking
01:30:43.340 so
01:30:43.900 they
01:30:44.020 want
01:30:44.180 to
01:30:44.260 change
01:30:44.480 the
01:30:44.640 storyline
01:30:45.060 what
01:30:45.320 happened
01:30:45.640 this
01:30:46.320 is
01:30:46.460 the
01:30:46.600 first
01:30:46.860 guy
01:30:47.080 that
01:30:47.220 rolled
01:30:47.460 out
01:30:47.620 all
01:30:47.800 these
01:30:48.000 guys
01:30:48.340 so
01:30:50.120 when
01:30:50.400 his
01:30:50.600 sister
01:30:50.900 or
01:30:51.100 somebody
01:30:51.340 is
01:30:51.480 talking
01:30:51.820 I
01:30:52.480 don't
01:30:52.620 even
01:30:52.820 blame
01:30:53.120 them
01:30:53.300 because
01:30:53.460 they're
01:30:53.620 hearing
01:30:53.840 it
01:30:53.980 from
01:30:54.140 him
01:30:54.460 or
01:30:55.240 when
01:30:55.420 Gotti's
01:30:55.900 kids
01:30:56.360 are
01:30:56.520 talking
01:30:56.840 because
01:30:57.040 I
01:30:57.180 tell
01:30:57.360 my
01:30:57.560 kids
01:30:57.760 shut
01:30:57.980 your
01:30:58.140 mouth
01:30:58.340 and
01:30:58.460 mind
01:30:58.620 your
01:30:58.740 business
01:30:59.040 about
01:30:59.300 my
01:30:59.480 life
01:30:59.700 use
01:30:59.880 the
01:31:00.000 regular
01:31:00.240 kids
01:31:00.600 if
01:31:01.340 any
01:31:01.540 gangster
01:31:01.980 wants
01:31:02.240 to be
01:31:02.480 a
01:31:02.600 gangster
01:31:02.880 still
01:31:03.220 with
01:31:03.420 me
01:31:03.640 I'm
01:31:04.120 very
01:31:04.360 accessible
01:31:04.820 I
01:31:05.300 don't
01:31:05.480 leave
01:31:05.700 New
01:31:05.880 York
01:31:06.160 so
01:31:06.780 if
01:31:07.000 you
01:31:07.120 still
01:31:07.420 think
01:31:07.720 you're
01:31:07.880 that
01:31:08.040 killer
01:31:08.360 then
01:31:09.160 you're
01:31:09.380 allowed
01:31:09.560 to
01:31:09.700 take
01:31:09.840 a
01:31:09.960 shot
01:31:10.200 jump
01:31:10.560 like
01:31:11.000 we
01:31:11.140 used
01:31:11.300 to
01:31:11.420 stay
01:31:11.580 in
01:31:11.680 the
01:31:11.740 street
01:31:11.920 right
01:31:12.200 you're
01:31:12.440 froggy
01:31:12.800 take
01:31:13.020 a
01:31:13.140 jump
01:31:13.380 leap
01:31:13.800 so
01:31:14.820 what
01:31:15.060 are
01:31:15.120 you
01:31:15.180 talking
01:31:15.420 about
01:31:15.680 kids
01:31:15.940 for
01:31:16.180 I
01:31:16.700 don't
01:31:16.820 want
01:31:16.940 to
01:31:17.020 talk
01:31:17.220 about
01:31:17.460 anybody's
01:31:17.900 kids
01:31:18.120 so
01:31:19.080 you
01:31:19.320 know
01:31:19.440 I
01:31:19.920 make
01:31:20.160 this
01:31:20.280 very
01:31:20.540 easy
01:31:20.840 for
01:31:21.040 anybody
01:31:21.340 it
01:31:21.520 still
01:31:21.720 says
01:31:22.000 they're
01:31:22.200 gangstas
01:31:22.600 it's
01:31:22.700 just
01:31:22.840 what
01:31:23.000 you
01:31:23.140 said
01:31:23.360 it's
01:31:23.600 over
01:31:23.900 but
01:31:24.500 if
01:31:24.640 they
01:31:24.780 wanted
01:31:25.040 to
01:31:25.200 be
01:31:25.380 a
01:31:25.500 gangstas
01:31:25.840 go
01:31:26.040 ahead
01:31:26.280 you
01:31:26.520 know
01:31:26.640 where
01:31:26.760 you're
01:31:26.920 going
01:31:26.980 to
01:31:27.040 end
01:31:27.200 up
01:31:27.480 you're
01:31:28.180 going
01:31:28.280 to
01:31:28.360 end
01:31:28.640 up
01:31:28.780 life
01:31:29.040 if
01:31:29.240 that's
01:31:29.440 you're
01:31:29.540 trying
01:31:29.720 to
01:31:29.820 get
01:31:30.060 a
01:31:30.180 name
01:31:30.360 off
01:31:30.560 yourself
01:31:30.900 for
01:31:31.080 talking
01:31:31.340 about
01:31:31.560 me
01:31:31.800 or
01:31:31.900 somebody
01:31:32.180 else
01:31:32.460 like
01:31:32.900 fear
01:31:33.500 and
01:31:33.700 structure
01:31:34.060 was
01:31:34.300 the
01:31:34.480 key
01:31:34.680 and
01:31:34.860 those
01:31:35.120 two
01:31:35.360 things
01:31:35.780 when
01:31:36.620 you
01:31:36.760 lose
01:31:37.120 those
01:31:37.380 things
01:31:37.860 it's
01:31:38.100 tough
01:31:38.340 to
01:31:38.700 control
01:31:40.980 so
01:31:41.280 you
01:31:42.000 know
01:31:52.600 you've
01:31:53.060 lived
01:31:53.260 this
01:31:53.500 life
01:31:53.740 for
01:31:53.940 a
01:31:54.080 while
01:31:54.360 how
01:31:55.440 do
01:31:55.700 you
01:31:55.860 I
01:31:55.960 know
01:31:56.060 you
01:31:56.200 said
01:31:56.360 something
01:31:56.620 you had
01:31:56.820 a hard
01:31:57.040 time
01:31:57.180 going
01:31:57.360 to
01:31:57.460 sleep
01:31:57.660 at
01:31:57.840 night
01:31:58.080 you're
01:31:58.320 still
01:31:58.480 having
01:31:58.680 to
01:31:58.780 seeing
01:31:58.920 therapists
01:31:59.340 sometimes
01:31:59.800 talking to
01:32:00.300 some
01:32:00.460 people
01:32:00.800 you know
01:32:01.440 to kind
01:32:01.820 of be
01:32:02.040 able to
01:32:02.300 flush
01:32:02.540 it
01:32:22.600 it's
01:32:22.760 easy
01:32:23.080 for
01:32:23.280 me
01:32:23.420 to
01:32:23.540 hurt
01:32:23.720 somebody
01:32:24.080 or
01:32:24.220 kill
01:32:24.400 somebody
01:32:24.700 that's
01:32:25.000 the
01:32:25.100 easy
01:32:25.300 part
01:32:25.560 for
01:32:26.100 me
01:32:26.260 it's
01:32:26.440 easy
01:32:26.700 I
01:32:26.940 don't
01:32:27.160 say
01:32:27.420 anything
01:32:27.740 different
01:32:28.120 the
01:32:28.580 hard
01:32:28.820 part
01:32:29.040 is
01:32:29.180 not
01:32:29.380 doing
01:32:29.620 it
01:32:29.740 when
01:32:29.880 they
01:32:30.000 talk
01:32:30.260 crazy
01:32:30.660 and
01:32:30.840 talk
01:32:31.100 stupid
01:32:31.460 and
01:32:31.640 this
01:32:31.760 so
01:32:32.460 you
01:32:32.760 have
01:32:32.940 to
01:32:33.060 work
01:32:33.300 at
01:32:33.460 things
01:32:33.680 right
01:32:33.900 so
01:32:34.140 I
01:32:34.260 get
01:32:34.420 through
01:32:34.640 it
01:32:34.820 day
01:32:35.140 each
01:32:36.000 day
01:32:36.280 so
01:32:36.760 today
01:32:37.060 I
01:32:37.200 get
01:32:37.340 through
01:32:37.520 today
01:32:37.780 I
01:32:37.900 worry
01:32:38.080 about
01:32:38.300 tomorrow
01:32:38.660 tomorrow
01:32:38.980 but
01:32:39.480 I'm
01:32:39.640 not
01:32:39.840 going to
01:32:40.040 change
01:32:40.320 who
01:32:52.600 want
01:32:52.740 people
01:32:52.940 to
01:32:53.060 understand
01:32:53.460 I
01:32:53.960 don't
01:32:54.140 need
01:32:54.320 20
01:32:54.600 guys
01:32:54.860 to
01:32:55.020 feel
01:32:55.220 strong
01:32:55.560 and
01:32:55.780 I
01:32:55.900 didn't
01:32:56.060 need
01:32:56.300 100
01:32:56.640 guys
01:32:57.060 to
01:32:57.280 say
01:32:57.460 I'm
01:32:57.640 cooperating
01:32:58.260 now
01:32:58.540 because
01:32:59.260 they
01:32:59.460 betrayed
01:32:59.860 me
01:33:00.160 I
01:33:00.800 just
01:33:00.980 ran
01:33:01.220 through
01:33:01.460 this
01:33:01.680 the mob
01:33:02.100 betrayed
01:33:02.480 me
01:33:02.680 I
01:33:02.820 didn't
01:33:02.960 betray
01:33:03.260 them
01:33:03.580 so
01:33:04.140 I'm
01:33:04.240 not
01:33:04.320 going to
01:33:04.540 switch
01:33:04.820 that
01:33:05.040 on
01:33:05.200 me
01:33:05.420 I'm
01:33:05.720 not
01:33:05.860 one
01:33:06.040 of
01:33:06.140 these
01:33:06.260 dumb
01:33:06.500 guys
01:33:06.800 I
01:33:06.960 was
01:33:07.100 educated
01:33:07.600 college
01:33:08.040 educated
01:33:08.600 street
01:33:08.960 educated
01:33:09.580 I went
01:33:11.300 to college
01:33:11.720 also
01:33:12.060 so
01:33:12.660 I didn't
01:33:13.220 graduate
01:33:13.720 for
01:33:13.920 years
01:33:14.340 but
01:33:14.500 I
01:33:14.580 went
01:33:14.780 to
01:33:14.900 college
01:33:15.160 three
01:33:15.380 years
01:33:15.660 so
01:33:16.540 I'm
01:33:16.740 educated
01:33:17.360 and
01:33:17.560 I
01:33:17.660 understand
01:33:18.020 life
01:33:18.500 right
01:33:18.760 and
01:33:19.020 I
01:33:19.140 understand
01:33:19.620 if
01:33:20.140 John
01:33:20.440 Gotti
01:33:20.760 Jr.
01:33:21.120 ever
01:33:21.240 turned
01:33:21.540 around
01:33:21.860 and
01:33:22.080 learned
01:33:22.440 to
01:33:22.600 be
01:33:22.720 a
01:33:22.860 gentleman
01:33:23.120 shook
01:33:23.440 my
01:33:23.640 hand
01:33:23.900 and
01:33:24.020 said
01:33:24.220 let's
01:33:24.720 forget
01:33:24.940 about
01:33:25.160 the
01:33:25.320 past
01:33:25.560 because
01:33:25.760 there's
01:33:25.940 a ton
01:33:26.180 of
01:33:26.280 guys
01:33:26.540 out
01:33:26.760 there
01:33:26.940 that
01:33:27.100 tried
01:33:27.320 to
01:33:27.480 kill
01:33:27.700 me
01:33:27.940 that
01:33:28.700 I'm
01:33:28.800 friends
01:33:29.040 with
01:33:29.200 now
01:33:29.420 the
01:33:30.020 guy
01:33:30.220 Stevie
01:33:30.520 knew
01:33:30.840 that
01:33:31.400 he
01:33:31.740 planned
01:33:32.160 on
01:33:32.360 killing
01:33:32.580 me
01:33:32.740 and I
01:33:32.980 shot
01:33:33.220 him
01:33:33.460 we're
01:33:33.740 friends
01:33:34.020 because
01:33:34.840 there's
01:33:35.140 a
01:33:35.300 level
01:33:35.560 of
01:33:35.720 respect
01:33:36.000 again
01:33:36.340 I'm
01:33:36.520 going
01:33:36.600 to
01:33:36.660 go
01:33:36.780 back
01:33:37.000 to
01:33:37.140 level
01:33:37.320 respect
01:33:37.660 but
01:33:38.260 when
01:33:38.480 you
01:33:38.620 want
01:33:38.840 to
01:33:38.980 bullshit
01:33:39.320 the
01:33:39.620 public
01:33:39.940 and
01:33:40.120 yourself
01:33:40.520 and
01:33:41.040 throw
01:33:41.300 your
01:33:41.520 garbage
01:33:41.900 on
01:33:42.160 me
01:33:42.340 and
01:33:42.500 you're
01:33:42.620 not
01:33:42.780 man
01:33:43.020 enough
01:33:43.260 to
01:33:43.440 say
01:33:43.680 this
01:33:44.220 is
01:33:44.360 what
01:33:44.520 I
01:33:44.660 did
01:33:44.900 I'll
01:33:45.420 never
01:33:45.600 be
01:33:45.780 your
01:33:45.960 friend
01:33:46.200 I'll
01:33:46.500 never
01:33:46.660 respect
01:33:47.120 you
01:33:47.300 so
01:33:48.040 when
01:33:48.320 you
01:33:48.460 turn
01:33:48.700 around
01:33:48.940 and
01:33:49.060 you
01:33:49.120 be
01:33:49.240 a
01:33:49.380 gentleman
01:33:49.680 and
01:33:49.920 say
01:33:50.140 okay
01:33:50.400 this
01:33:50.620 is
01:33:50.760 what
01:33:50.920 happened
01:33:51.240 I
01:34:03.460 I
01:34:03.900 don't
01:34:04.000 go
01:34:04.120 looking
01:34:04.380 to
01:34:04.560 kill
01:34:04.760 him
01:34:04.940 do
01:34:05.140 you
01:34:05.200 still
01:34:05.360 miss
01:34:05.600 the
01:34:05.720 life
01:34:05.920 do
01:34:06.220 you
01:34:06.300 still
01:34:06.480 miss
01:34:06.720 any
01:34:06.900 of
01:34:07.040 it
01:34:07.180 anybody
01:34:08.140 that
01:34:08.380 says
01:34:08.560 they
01:34:08.700 don't
01:34:08.900 miss
01:34:09.100 the
01:34:09.240 life
01:34:09.580 is
01:34:12.040 a
01:34:12.200 liar
01:34:12.440 I
01:34:12.920 think
01:34:13.100 we
01:34:13.240 all
01:34:13.440 miss
01:34:13.660 the
01:34:13.820 life
01:34:14.080 but
01:34:14.600 the
01:34:14.740 only
01:34:14.920 difference
01:34:15.360 is
01:34:15.680 we
01:34:16.120 get
01:34:16.320 older
01:34:16.600 we
01:34:16.780 get
01:34:16.940 smarter
01:34:17.340 we
01:34:17.660 understand
01:34:18.080 there
01:34:18.300 is
01:34:18.460 no
01:34:18.620 loyalty
01:34:19.000 and
01:34:19.620 I
01:34:19.740 think
01:34:19.960 you
01:34:20.100 miss
01:34:20.460 like
01:34:21.020 we
01:34:21.180 all
01:34:21.420 say
01:34:21.700 camaraderie
01:34:22.940 and
01:34:23.060 all
01:34:23.200 that
01:34:23.380 and
01:34:23.500 I
01:34:23.600 joke
01:34:23.860 about
01:34:24.140 I
01:34:24.260 said
01:34:24.400 well
01:34:24.540 join
01:34:24.740 a
01:34:24.860 bowling
01:34:25.080 team
01:34:25.380 so
01:34:26.240 if
01:34:26.680 you
01:34:26.780 miss
01:34:26.980 the
01:34:27.100 camaraderie
01:34:27.700 but
01:34:28.000 I
01:34:28.680 know
01:34:29.120 that
01:34:30.120 this
01:34:30.420 life
01:34:30.860 of
01:34:31.200 what
01:34:31.420 I
01:34:31.620 thought
01:34:31.940 it
01:34:32.060 was
01:34:32.260 as
01:34:32.440 a
01:34:32.580 young
01:34:32.760 man
01:34:33.020 as
01:34:33.180 a
01:34:33.320 kid
01:34:33.520 does
01:34:34.120 not
01:34:34.360 exist
01:34:34.860 so
01:34:35.820 you
01:34:36.180 know
01:34:36.320 my
01:34:36.640 friends
01:34:37.060 that
01:34:37.460 I
01:34:37.620 when
01:34:37.940 I
01:34:38.080 am
01:34:38.240 together
01:34:38.560 with
01:34:38.760 my
01:34:38.940 friends
01:34:39.240 the
01:34:39.520 guys
01:34:39.780 I
01:34:39.920 grew
01:34:40.120 up
01:34:40.280 with
01:34:40.440 and
01:34:40.540 we
01:34:40.660 go
01:34:40.780 to
01:34:40.900 the
01:34:41.020 beach
01:34:41.300 or
01:34:41.440 we
01:34:41.560 go
01:34:41.740 as
01:34:42.260 family
01:34:42.580 I
01:34:43.700 don't
01:34:43.860 miss
01:34:44.080 the
01:34:44.240 mob
01:34:44.420 when
01:34:44.580 with
01:34:44.820 them
01:34:45.000 because
01:34:45.440 again
01:34:45.860 now
01:34:46.260 you
01:34:46.400 with
01:34:46.580 real
01:34:46.860 friends
01:34:47.260 and
01:34:47.820 you
01:34:47.920 don't
01:34:48.020 got
01:34:48.140 to
01:34:48.220 look
01:34:48.360 over
01:34:48.540 your
01:34:48.700 shoulder
01:34:49.020 and
01:34:49.440 I
01:34:49.560 don't
01:34:49.660 got
01:34:49.800 to
01:34:49.900 worry
01:34:50.040 about
01:34:50.240 getting
01:34:50.440 in
01:34:50.580 a
01:34:50.680 car
01:34:50.920 and
01:34:51.140 I
01:34:51.240 don't
01:34:51.360 got
01:34:51.500 to
01:34:51.620 worry
01:34:51.840 about
01:34:52.120 anything
01:34:52.480 with
01:34:52.740 them
01:34:52.900 and
01:34:53.500 you
01:34:53.740 know
01:34:53.840 there's
01:34:54.060 no
01:34:54.200 treachery
01:34:54.780 there's
01:34:55.020 only
01:34:55.220 true
01:34:55.600 friendship
01:34:56.060 and
01:34:56.320 love
01:34:56.540 for
01:34:56.680 each
01:34:56.840 other
01:34:57.000 and
01:34:57.120 our
01:34:57.260 families
01:34:57.640 and
01:34:58.240 this
01:34:58.420 is
01:34:58.560 the
01:34:58.720 part
01:34:59.040 that
01:34:59.560 kids
01:34:59.820 really
01:35:00.100 got
01:35:00.280 to
01:35:00.380 understand
01:35:00.720 because
01:35:01.020 I
01:35:01.220 know
01:35:01.440 I
01:35:01.620 was
01:35:01.820 there
01:35:02.100 I
01:35:02.800 know
01:35:03.120 that
01:35:03.360 it's
01:35:03.720 enticing
01:35:04.280 right
01:35:05.200 and
01:35:05.380 all
01:35:05.640 this
01:35:05.840 is
01:35:05.980 enticing
01:35:06.400 but
01:35:06.900 just
01:35:07.080 what
01:35:07.240 you
01:35:07.380 said
01:35:07.660 I'll
01:35:08.300 be
01:35:08.420 a
01:35:08.560 liar
01:35:08.740 to
01:35:08.920 tell
01:35:09.060 you
01:35:09.240 you
01:35:09.420 know
01:35:09.540 Ralph
01:35:09.800 Natale
01:35:10.260 from Philly
01:35:10.900 said
01:35:11.100 I sleep
01:35:11.480 like a
01:35:11.820 baby
01:35:12.100 and
01:35:12.840 do
01:35:13.500 I
01:35:13.620 like
01:35:13.860 Ralph
01:35:14.100 he's
01:35:14.300 an
01:35:14.380 right
01:35:14.560 guy
01:35:14.820 but
01:35:15.380 I
01:35:15.460 said
01:35:15.600 he's
01:35:15.720 full
01:35:15.860 of
01:35:15.980 shit
01:35:16.180 because
01:35:17.580 I
01:35:17.740 think
01:35:18.220 if
01:35:18.340 you
01:35:18.440 talk
01:35:18.660 to
01:35:18.780 anybody
01:35:19.120 who's
01:35:19.280 been
01:35:19.420 in
01:35:19.540 armed
01:35:19.900 force
01:35:20.180 and
01:35:20.340 seen
01:35:20.520 action
01:35:20.880 or
01:35:21.060 anybody
01:35:21.280 from
01:35:31.440 asked
01:35:31.600 me
01:35:31.760 it
01:35:31.880 seems
01:35:32.100 like
01:35:32.280 I
01:35:32.400 don't
01:35:32.600 care
01:35:32.860 earlier
01:35:33.260 I
01:35:33.540 do
01:35:33.720 care
01:35:33.940 that's
01:35:34.160 why
01:35:34.260 I
01:35:34.340 go
01:35:34.440 to
01:35:34.560 therapy
01:35:34.860 all
01:35:35.060 the
01:35:35.160 time
01:35:35.340 I
01:35:35.780 did
01:35:36.020 get
01:35:36.180 in
01:35:36.320 touch
01:35:36.560 with
01:35:36.760 so
01:35:36.940 you
01:35:37.140 just
01:35:37.380 for
01:35:37.580 information
01:35:37.960 you
01:35:38.140 in
01:35:38.240 the
01:35:38.320 public
01:35:38.620 I
01:35:39.140 got
01:35:39.300 in
01:35:39.420 touch
01:35:39.580 with
01:35:39.740 tons
01:35:40.140 of
01:35:40.320 my
01:35:40.500 victims
01:35:40.900 some
01:35:41.560 would
01:35:41.760 talk
01:35:42.020 to
01:35:42.120 me
01:35:42.240 some
01:35:42.460 wouldn't
01:35:42.860 I
01:35:43.560 cried
01:35:43.900 with
01:35:44.100 some
01:35:44.300 and
01:35:44.440 some
01:35:44.560 I
01:35:44.680 didn't
01:35:44.840 but
01:35:45.020 this
01:35:45.220 show
01:35:45.400 is not
01:35:45.680 about
01:35:45.960 how I
01:35:46.340 feel
01:35:46.720 this
01:35:47.400 is
01:35:47.500 not
01:35:47.660 about
01:35:48.020 my
01:36:01.440 other
01:36:01.600 families
01:36:01.940 but
01:36:02.700 again
01:36:03.100 and
01:36:03.900 I'll
01:36:04.080 be
01:36:04.180 a
01:36:04.320 liar
01:36:04.540 if
01:36:04.740 I
01:36:04.820 say
01:36:04.980 anything
01:36:05.240 different
01:36:05.660 I'm
01:36:06.060 still
01:36:06.260 the
01:36:06.440 same
01:36:06.640 guy
01:36:06.940 so
01:36:07.780 that
01:36:08.000 means
01:36:08.380 if
01:36:08.720 somebody
01:36:08.980 busted
01:36:09.320 in
01:36:09.480 his
01:36:09.620 room
01:36:09.840 right
01:36:10.080 now
01:36:10.360 and
01:36:10.520 tried
01:36:10.740 to
01:36:10.880 hurt
01:36:11.080 us
01:36:11.340 you're
01:36:11.840 still
01:36:12.000 capable
01:36:12.360 of
01:36:12.880 course
01:36:13.080 I
01:36:13.220 I'll
01:36:13.460 be
01:36:13.580 a
01:36:13.680 liar
01:36:13.880 if
01:36:14.040 I
01:36:14.100 was
01:36:14.380 the
01:36:14.740 story
01:36:15.040 that
01:36:15.220 GQ
01:36:15.520 did
01:36:15.720 on
01:36:15.900 you
01:36:16.000 GQ
01:36:16.300 magazine
01:36:16.660 did
01:36:16.820 a
01:36:16.940 story
01:36:17.180 on
01:36:17.360 you
01:36:17.440 what
01:36:17.620 was
01:36:17.960 it
01:36:18.080 about
01:36:18.340 GQ
01:36:18.760 talked
01:36:19.100 to
01:36:19.200 me
01:36:19.320 about
01:36:19.560 I
01:36:19.700 did
01:36:19.860 a
01:36:20.000 Netflix
01:36:20.300 series
01:36:20.680 this
01:36:20.940 was
01:36:21.060 just
01:36:21.180 a
01:36:21.300 month
01:36:21.460 ago
01:36:21.680 I
01:36:22.800 did
01:36:23.500 a
01:36:23.620 Netflix
01:36:23.880 thing
01:36:24.240 that's
01:36:24.460 coming
01:36:24.680 out
01:36:24.940 and
01:36:25.040 you
01:36:25.180 spoke
01:36:25.480 to
01:36:25.620 me
01:36:25.720 about
01:36:25.920 that
01:36:26.140 it's
01:36:26.320 about
01:36:26.600 Five
01:36:27.340 Families
01:36:27.700 and
01:36:28.400 this
01:36:28.660 is
01:36:28.800 also
01:36:29.080 about
01:36:29.500 is
01:36:30.400 Five
01:36:30.700 Families
01:36:30.980 with
01:36:31.220 the
01:36:31.360 author
01:36:31.660 the
01:36:31.940 same
01:36:33.420 guy
01:36:33.620 that
01:36:33.760 wrote
01:36:33.960 the
01:36:34.080 book
01:36:34.200 Five
01:36:34.420 Families
01:36:34.780 No
01:36:35.140 No
01:36:35.640 Okay
01:36:35.860 got it
01:36:36.460 and
01:36:36.660 it's
01:36:36.920 just
01:36:37.100 the
01:36:37.340 history
01:36:38.000 of
01:36:38.200 the
01:36:38.260 Yeah
01:36:38.580 I
01:36:38.920 mean
01:36:39.680 there's
01:36:39.880 a
01:36:39.960 new
01:36:40.100 book
01:36:40.340 out
01:36:40.520 now
01:36:40.740 actually
01:36:41.100 got his
01:36:41.540 boys
01:36:41.820 with
01:36:42.120 Tony
01:36:42.760 DeStefano
01:36:43.420 actually
01:36:44.060 you know
01:36:44.820 I talked
01:36:45.340 to him
01:36:45.620 and
01:36:45.960 I
01:36:46.400 skim
01:36:46.780 it
01:36:46.900 through
01:36:47.000 the
01:36:47.160 book
01:36:47.340 I
01:36:47.480 haven't
01:36:47.620 read
01:36:47.800 it
01:36:47.900 all
01:36:48.080 and
01:36:48.180 it's
01:36:48.320 a
01:36:48.400 pretty
01:36:48.520 good
01:36:48.680 book
01:36:48.900 so
01:36:49.600 you
01:36:49.840 know
01:36:50.020 it's
01:36:51.080 a
01:36:51.180 different
01:36:51.380 perspective
01:36:51.880 he
01:36:52.360 speaks
01:36:52.660 about
01:36:52.920 me
01:36:53.140 in
01:36:53.280 some
01:36:53.460 of
01:36:53.600 the
01:36:53.720 books
01:36:53.820 pretty
01:36:53.960 accurate
01:36:54.300 is
01:36:54.520 some
01:36:54.800 accurate
01:36:55.100 yeah
01:36:55.300 what I
01:36:55.600 read
01:36:55.840 is
01:36:56.120 some
01:36:56.400 of
01:36:56.540 it's
01:36:56.720 accurate
01:36:56.960 some
01:36:57.240 of
01:36:57.360 it's
01:36:57.500 not
01:36:57.800 you
01:36:58.240 know
01:36:58.340 I
01:36:58.500 called
01:36:58.960 him
01:36:59.100 on
01:36:59.260 one
01:36:59.480 of
01:36:59.600 them
01:36:59.740 and
01:36:59.860 it's
01:37:00.060 you
01:37:01.460 know
01:37:01.580 he
01:37:01.740 was
01:37:01.840 talking
01:37:02.060 about
01:37:02.260 Mark
01:37:02.500 Ryder
01:37:02.840 and
01:37:03.000 somebody
01:37:03.920 said
01:37:04.220 because
01:37:04.500 of
01:37:04.620 my
01:37:04.780 age
01:37:05.080 he
01:37:05.580 doesn't
01:37:05.800 believe
01:37:06.040 I
01:37:06.180 was
01:37:06.300 with
01:37:06.500 him
01:37:06.600 and
01:37:07.240 I
01:37:07.360 says
01:37:07.560 to him
01:37:07.800 you know
01:37:07.920 what's
01:37:08.080 funny
01:37:08.340 and I
01:37:09.220 says
01:37:09.400 listen
01:37:10.160 you're
01:37:10.460 never
01:37:10.600 going
01:37:10.760 to
01:37:10.820 get
01:37:10.920 a
01:37:11.040 book
01:37:11.200 completely
01:37:11.580 factual
01:37:12.040 I
01:37:12.800 says
01:37:12.960 Mark
01:37:13.220 Ryder
01:37:13.580 I
01:37:14.000 took
01:37:14.200 him
01:37:14.320 on
01:37:14.460 a
01:37:14.580 run
01:37:14.760 when
01:37:14.960 he
01:37:15.080 went
01:37:15.300 to
01:37:15.720 Disney
01:37:16.040 World
01:37:16.260 I
01:37:16.500 took
01:37:16.700 him
01:37:16.860 when
01:37:17.500 he
01:37:17.600 went
01:37:17.760 to
01:37:17.900 California
01:37:19.000 I
01:37:19.520 took
01:37:19.740 him
01:37:19.880 with
01:37:29.740 and
01:37:30.020 I
01:37:30.180 feel
01:37:30.820 terrible
01:37:31.160 for
01:37:31.420 whatever
01:37:31.680 happened
01:37:31.980 to
01:37:32.120 his
01:37:32.240 life
01:37:32.540 and
01:37:33.200 he
01:37:33.340 lost
01:37:33.620 his
01:37:33.820 son
01:37:34.040 and
01:37:34.880 his
01:37:35.200 son
01:37:35.400 was
01:37:35.620 a
01:37:35.900 great
01:37:36.140 friend
01:37:36.420 of
01:37:36.540 mine
01:37:36.780 and
01:37:37.060 you
01:37:37.340 know
01:37:37.440 they
01:37:37.560 never
01:37:37.760 found
01:37:38.020 the
01:37:38.160 body
01:37:38.420 and
01:37:39.060 you
01:37:39.160 get
01:37:39.300 guys
01:37:39.560 like
01:37:39.840 my
01:37:40.100 other
01:37:40.300 friend
01:37:40.540 and
01:37:40.700 this
01:37:40.860 was
01:37:40.980 the
01:37:41.140 treachery
01:37:41.520 of
01:37:41.600 life
01:37:41.800 Keith
01:37:42.060 Pellegrino
01:37:42.560 since
01:37:43.300 he's
01:37:43.500 a
01:37:43.640 kid
01:37:43.800 he
01:37:43.920 was
01:37:44.040 one
01:37:44.220 of
01:37:44.320 my
01:37:44.440 drug
01:37:44.660 partners
01:37:45.100 I
01:37:45.740 know
01:37:45.940 him
01:37:46.060 I
01:37:46.160 got
01:37:46.320 him
01:37:46.460 guys
01:37:46.780 wanted
01:37:47.040 to
01:37:47.160 hurt
01:37:47.340 him
01:37:47.460 I
01:37:59.740 punk
01:38:00.060 so
01:38:00.960 if
01:38:01.160 it
01:38:01.240 wasn't
01:38:01.520 for
01:38:01.660 me
01:38:01.780 protecting
01:38:02.200 him
01:38:02.420 he
01:38:02.800 would
01:38:02.980 end
01:38:03.140 up
01:38:03.300 dead
01:38:03.480 so
01:38:03.900 how
01:38:04.060 do
01:38:04.160 you
01:38:04.260 do
01:38:04.420 that
01:38:04.640 to
01:38:04.800 one
01:38:04.940 of
01:38:05.040 our
01:38:05.200 friends
01:38:05.520 right
01:38:06.060 so
01:38:06.300 this
01:38:06.940 is
01:38:07.160 why
01:38:07.680 I'm
01:38:07.820 saying
01:38:08.040 to
01:38:08.220 kids
01:38:08.520 get
01:38:09.080 away
01:38:09.280 from
01:38:09.460 this
01:38:09.640 life
01:38:09.920 go
01:38:10.460 play
01:38:10.680 baseball
01:38:11.100 go
01:38:11.360 to
01:38:11.520 school
01:38:11.860 go
01:38:12.180 become
01:38:12.580 a
01:38:12.760 lawyer
01:38:12.980 go
01:38:13.200 become
01:38:13.600 a
01:38:13.860 truck
01:38:14.360 driver
01:38:14.820 do
01:38:15.420 something
01:38:15.780 legitimately
01:38:16.440 do
01:38:16.780 what
01:38:16.920 you're
01:38:17.100 doing
01:38:17.280 journalism
01:38:17.800 but
01:38:18.520 don't
01:38:19.440 end
01:38:19.580 up
01:38:19.740 on
01:38:19.900 the
01:38:20.040 street
01:38:20.260 because
01:38:20.760 there
01:38:21.220 is
01:38:21.400 no
01:38:21.560 true
01:38:21.780 friendships
01:38:22.140 there
01:38:22.460 and
01:38:24.020 I
01:38:24.580 would
01:38:24.760 say
01:38:25.120 a lot
01:38:25.900 of
01:38:26.000 times
01:38:26.140 people
01:38:26.340 ask
01:38:26.580 me
01:38:26.700 why
01:38:27.120 do
01:38:27.220 you
01:38:27.620 interview
01:38:27.880 people
01:38:28.500 in
01:38:29.500 this
01:38:29.700 world
01:38:30.020 and
01:38:30.220 I
01:38:30.360 said
01:38:30.660 first
01:38:31.220 of
01:38:31.320 the
01:38:32.040 interview
01:38:33.760 community
01:38:34.620 the mobster
01:38:35.260 community
01:38:35.780 came purely
01:38:36.500 accidental
01:38:37.060 obviously
01:38:37.420 I grew up
01:38:37.940 with a lot
01:38:38.400 of
01:38:39.100 the
01:38:40.000 history
01:38:40.480 of it
01:38:40.840 studying
01:38:41.240 it
01:38:41.520 the whole
01:38:42.060 godfather
01:38:42.720 it's
01:38:43.000 a very
01:38:44.000 if you
01:38:44.440 ask any
01:38:44.800 CEO
01:38:45.060 entrepreneur
01:38:45.500 a lot
01:38:45.760 of
01:38:45.840 people
01:38:46.000 will
01:38:46.140 say
01:38:46.240 one
01:38:46.400 of
01:38:46.480 the
01:38:46.500 most
01:38:46.660 powerful
01:38:47.420 movies
01:38:47.740 you
01:38:47.840 can
01:38:47.960 watch
01:38:48.200 or
01:38:48.340 learn
01:38:48.480 about
01:38:48.640 business
01:38:48.980 the
01:38:49.160 godfather
01:38:49.660 one
01:38:49.900 and
01:38:50.020 two
01:38:50.100 maybe
01:38:50.260 not
01:38:50.440 three
01:38:50.660 but
01:38:50.800 you
01:38:50.920 can
01:38:51.040 learn
01:38:51.240 a lot
01:38:51.460 about
01:38:51.640 business
01:38:52.020 and
01:38:52.920 it
01:38:53.060 gives
01:38:53.420 different
01:38:53.680 perspectives
01:38:54.220 on
01:38:55.120 what
01:38:55.560 you
01:38:55.680 can
01:38:55.820 do
01:38:55.940 with
01:38:56.080 business
01:38:56.420 but
01:38:56.640 if
01:38:56.940 there's
01:38:57.200 one
01:38:57.440 thing
01:38:57.760 about
01:38:58.520 it
01:38:58.680 is
01:38:58.860 hearing
01:38:59.120 all
01:38:59.360 these
01:38:59.540 different
01:38:59.820 stories
01:39:00.320 and
01:39:01.140 knowing
01:39:01.500 there's
01:39:02.200 always
01:39:02.860 a
01:39:03.200 power play
01:39:03.860 to be
01:39:04.220 done
01:39:04.580 and
01:39:05.500 if
01:39:05.680 you
01:39:05.960 are
01:39:06.140 too
01:39:06.420 naive
01:39:06.800 like
01:39:07.040 you
01:39:07.200 said
01:39:07.400 earlier
01:39:07.760 and
01:39:07.980 you're
01:39:08.120 not
01:39:08.280 anticipating
01:39:09.240 next
01:39:09.700 move
01:39:10.020 and
01:39:10.160 making
01:39:10.460 notes
01:39:11.060 of
01:39:11.800 certain
01:39:12.140 people's
01:39:12.660 behavior
01:39:13.140 in
01:39:13.440 some
01:39:13.640 strange
01:39:13.980 moments
01:39:14.380 it
01:39:14.600 could
01:39:14.760 catch
01:39:15.020 up
01:39:15.180 to
01:39:15.300 you
01:39:15.380 that
01:39:15.520 could
01:39:15.640 happen
01:39:15.880 in
01:39:16.020 business
01:39:16.380 just
01:39:17.280 like
01:39:17.480 it
01:39:17.580 is
01:39:17.700 in
01:39:17.820 your
01:39:17.960 world
01:39:18.180 the
01:39:18.360 difference
01:39:18.680 is
01:39:18.840 in
01:39:18.960 your
01:39:19.100 world
01:39:19.280 you
01:39:19.400 could
01:39:19.520 get
01:39:19.680 killed
01:39:20.040 in
01:39:20.680 a
01:39:20.780 business
01:39:21.060 world
01:39:21.280 you're
01:39:21.460 put out
01:39:21.720 of
01:39:21.820 business
01:39:22.180 well
01:39:22.480 you know
01:39:22.960 I
01:39:42.660 guys
01:39:43.080 left
01:39:43.520 them
01:39:43.760 left
01:39:44.980 them
01:39:45.200 and
01:39:45.800 they
01:39:45.960 didn't
01:39:46.180 retaliate
01:39:46.820 with
01:39:47.000 them
01:39:47.120 afterwards
01:39:47.580 and
01:39:47.840 they
01:39:47.960 didn't
01:39:48.140 try
01:39:48.380 to
01:39:48.540 now
01:39:48.780 they're
01:39:48.980 talking
01:39:49.360 these
01:39:50.020 same
01:39:50.420 guys
01:39:50.780 had
01:39:51.000 the
01:39:51.140 opportunity
01:39:51.780 and
01:39:52.340 this
01:39:52.500 is
01:39:52.620 why
01:39:52.760 I'm
01:39:52.880 telling
01:39:53.040 kids
01:39:53.300 not
01:39:53.540 even
01:39:53.780 just
01:39:54.080 one
01:39:54.420 end
01:39:54.680 the
01:39:54.980 other
01:39:55.160 the
01:39:55.360 guys
01:39:55.620 I
01:39:55.760 even
01:39:56.000 hurt
01:39:56.360 or
01:39:56.600 guys
01:39:56.860 you
01:39:57.020 know
01:39:57.100 I
01:39:57.280 respect
01:39:57.740 I'm
01:39:59.480 trying
01:39:59.720 to
01:39:59.880 say
01:40:00.140 even
01:40:00.460 the
01:40:00.620 guys
01:40:00.880 like
01:40:01.340 that
01:40:01.680 look
01:40:02.620 what's
01:40:02.920 going
01:40:03.180 on
01:40:03.440 to
01:40:03.740 them
01:40:04.080 where's
01:40:04.640 their
01:40:04.820 friends
01:40:05.140 when
01:40:05.320 they
01:40:05.480 needed
01:40:05.720 them
01:40:05.880 there
01:40:06.640 was
01:40:06.760 a
01:40:06.880 guy
01:40:07.420 at
01:40:07.600 the
01:40:07.720 time
01:40:07.920 Jerry
01:40:08.220 was
01:40:08.780 with
01:40:08.980 him
01:40:09.100 standing
01:40:09.540 with
01:40:09.800 him
01:40:09.900 and
01:40:09.980 I
01:40:10.100 told
01:40:10.220 him
01:40:10.320 get
01:40:10.480 lost
01:40:10.820 or
01:40:10.980 I
01:40:11.040 hurt
01:40:11.300 you
01:40:11.440 too
01:40:11.680 and
01:40:12.520 he
01:40:12.620 walked
01:40:12.960 his
01:40:13.920 father
01:40:14.180 just
01:40:14.440 got
01:40:14.640 basically
01:40:15.420 a life
01:40:15.760 sentence
01:40:16.080 for
01:40:16.240 any
01:40:16.320 Sarah
01:40:16.560 they
01:40:16.740 accused
01:40:17.000 him
01:40:17.120 of
01:40:17.180 being
01:40:17.280 involved
01:40:17.600 with
01:40:18.400 the
01:40:18.580 ladanzas
01:40:19.080 and stuff
01:40:20.140 but his
01:40:21.220 son
01:40:21.480 so
01:40:22.000 and his
01:40:22.600 other
01:40:22.780 friend
01:40:23.060 Frankie
01:40:23.420 now
01:40:23.760 is
01:40:23.920 in the
01:40:24.120 neighborhood
01:40:24.380 with
01:40:24.600 a big
01:40:24.880 mouth
01:40:25.120 where were
01:40:25.480 you
01:40:25.600 when
01:40:25.760 he
01:40:25.860 needed
01:40:26.100 you
01:40:26.300 where
01:40:35.480 pistol
01:40:35.760 so
01:40:36.560 I'm
01:40:37.540 trying
01:40:37.760 to
01:40:37.900 say
01:40:38.020 the
01:40:38.180 same
01:40:38.400 thing
01:40:38.620 over
01:40:38.920 and
01:40:39.080 over
01:40:39.300 and
01:40:39.420 over
01:40:39.620 again
01:40:39.940 as
01:40:40.220 much
01:40:40.460 as
01:40:40.600 I
01:40:40.740 can
01:40:41.040 these
01:40:42.320 kids
01:40:42.620 need
01:40:42.920 to
01:40:43.100 understand
01:40:43.720 stay
01:40:44.680 away
01:40:44.960 from
01:40:45.140 this
01:40:45.300 life
01:40:45.500 because
01:40:45.740 they
01:40:45.920 think
01:40:46.700 just
01:40:47.220 like
01:40:47.460 I
01:40:47.660 did
01:40:47.800 as
01:40:47.960 a
01:40:48.100 kid
01:40:48.300 and
01:40:48.740 it's
01:40:48.880 very
01:40:49.120 hard
01:40:49.380 to
01:40:49.800 understand
01:40:50.160 the
01:40:51.500 movie
01:40:53.900 Goodfellas
01:40:54.780 and you
01:40:55.080 go out
01:40:55.560 and the
01:40:55.840 ladies
01:40:56.200 and the
01:40:56.960 cars
01:40:57.460 and all
01:40:57.760 that
01:40:57.960 stuff
01:40:58.120 which
01:40:58.280 part
01:40:58.580 of
01:40:58.920 it
01:40:59.020 is
01:40:59.160 true
01:40:59.360 I
01:40:59.500 mean
01:40:59.600 when I
01:40:59.880 talk
01:41:00.100 to
01:41:00.220 a lot
01:41:05.480 when
01:41:07.280 I
01:41:07.420 sat
01:41:07.740 in
01:41:07.840 that
01:41:07.980 cell
01:41:08.240 alone
01:41:08.680 and
01:41:09.040 it
01:41:09.120 was
01:41:09.260 all
01:41:09.500 over
01:41:09.820 every
01:41:10.860 one
01:41:11.140 of
01:41:11.240 my
01:41:11.440 friends
01:41:11.860 in
01:41:12.180 that
01:41:12.400 life
01:41:12.740 started
01:41:13.060 ratting
01:41:13.400 on
01:41:13.560 me
01:41:13.680 all
01:41:14.060 of
01:41:14.180 them
01:41:14.340 like
01:41:14.820 50
01:41:15.160 guys
01:41:15.560 50
01:41:16.140 something
01:41:16.460 actually
01:41:16.900 they
01:41:17.400 all
01:41:17.600 went
01:41:17.720 to
01:41:17.820 the
01:41:17.920 grand
01:41:18.120 jury
01:41:18.340 on
01:41:18.600 me
01:41:18.700 you
01:41:19.140 can
01:41:19.280 check
01:41:19.580 with
01:41:19.780 Florida
01:41:20.240 middle
01:41:21.100 district
01:41:21.420 of
01:41:21.580 Florida
01:41:21.800 and
01:41:21.940 ask
01:41:22.140 them
01:41:22.220 because
01:41:22.860 when
01:41:23.260 these
01:41:23.440 conversations
01:41:24.000 started
01:41:24.420 I
01:41:24.580 think
01:41:24.740 it was
01:41:24.900 54
01:41:25.360 was
01:41:25.640 the
01:41:25.800 number
01:41:26.020 that
01:41:26.540 ratted
01:41:26.800 on
01:41:26.900 me
01:41:27.000 all
01:41:27.420 these
01:41:27.640 mob
01:41:35.480 other
01:41:35.800 friends
01:41:36.120 that
01:41:36.260 were
01:41:36.360 from
01:41:36.540 the
01:41:36.700 street
01:41:36.940 that
01:41:37.140 weren't
01:41:37.420 killers
01:41:37.780 but
01:41:37.960 they
01:41:38.080 were
01:41:38.220 playing
01:41:39.160 around
01:41:39.440 on
01:41:39.580 the
01:41:39.620 street
01:41:39.780 with
01:41:39.960 drugs
01:41:40.200 and
01:41:40.300 there
01:41:40.940 was
01:41:41.140 nobody
01:41:41.500 near
01:41:41.800 me
01:41:41.980 I
01:41:42.080 was
01:41:42.220 alone
01:41:42.600 in
01:41:42.820 a
01:41:42.980 cell
01:41:43.220 and
01:41:44.180 I
01:41:44.300 tell
01:41:44.640 you
01:41:44.760 like
01:41:44.960 I
01:41:45.120 tell
01:41:45.320 everybody
01:41:45.740 because
01:41:46.100 if
01:41:46.260 you're
01:41:46.420 going
01:41:46.520 to
01:41:46.580 be
01:41:46.720 fake
01:41:47.080 you
01:41:47.380 can't
01:41:47.960 talk
01:41:48.220 to
01:41:48.360 kids
01:41:48.600 and
01:41:49.200 you're
01:41:49.360 sitting
01:41:49.520 in
01:41:49.660 that
01:41:49.820 cell
01:41:50.160 and
01:41:50.480 you're
01:41:50.680 crying
01:41:51.000 and I
01:41:51.500 like
01:41:51.700 when
01:41:51.840 somebody
01:41:52.100 said
01:41:52.300 did
01:41:52.460 you
01:41:52.560 cry
01:41:52.820 yeah
01:41:53.040 I'm
01:41:53.140 man
01:41:53.400 I'm
01:41:53.580 not
01:41:53.700 a
01:41:53.800 robot
01:41:54.040 of
01:41:54.280 course
01:41:54.440 I
01:41:54.600 cried
01:41:54.880 and
01:41:55.400 I
01:41:55.500 said
01:41:55.580 well
01:41:55.720 you
01:41:55.840 did
01:41:56.020 this
01:41:56.220 you
01:41:56.340 did
01:41:56.500 that
01:41:56.680 I'm
01:41:56.820 not
01:41:56.960 asking
01:41:57.200 anybody
01:41:57.480 to
01:41:57.600 feel
01:41:57.720 bad
01:41:57.980 for
01:41:58.120 me
01:41:58.320 I
01:41:59.040 says
01:41:59.220 that's
01:41:59.440 not
01:41:59.560 why
01:41:59.700 I'm
01:41:59.820 saying
01:42:00.100 it
01:42:00.260 I'm
01:42:00.500 saying
01:42:00.720 it
01:42:00.840 to
01:42:00.960 kids
01:42:01.260 so
01:42:01.380 they
01:42:01.540 understand
01:42:02.140 right
01:42:02.600 that
01:42:03.000 this
01:42:03.360 ain't
01:42:03.560 all
01:42:03.780 about
01:42:04.080 that
01:42:04.400 and
01:42:04.920 when
01:42:05.120 your
01:42:05.280 kids
01:42:05.520 aren't
01:42:05.780 seeing
01:42:06.080 you
01:42:06.220 and
01:42:06.320 I
01:42:06.440 didn't
01:42:06.580 see
01:42:06.740 two
01:42:07.680 of
01:42:08.700 of
01:42:08.720 them
01:42:08.820 for
01:42:08.980 10
01:42:09.220 years
01:42:09.520 you
01:42:10.800 know
01:42:10.940 so
01:42:11.140 I
01:42:11.300 disagreements
01:42:12.040 with
01:42:12.200 the
01:42:12.320 mom
01:42:12.560 and
01:42:12.700 I'm
01:42:13.500 friends
01:42:13.760 with
01:42:13.920 her
01:42:14.020 now
01:42:14.200 reconciliation
01:42:14.960 she's
01:42:15.580 remarried
01:42:16.020 but
01:42:16.660 this
01:42:18.080 is
01:42:18.240 the
01:42:18.380 reality
01:42:18.800 of
01:42:19.060 the
01:42:19.220 life
01:42:19.560 that
01:42:19.800 the
01:42:19.980 kids
01:42:20.160 got
01:42:20.360 to
01:42:20.480 understand
01:42:20.900 and
01:42:21.260 when
01:42:21.440 my
01:42:21.660 uncle
01:42:21.960 died
01:42:22.380 he
01:42:23.120 was
01:42:23.320 like
01:42:23.480 my
01:42:23.660 father
01:42:23.960 I
01:42:24.160 lived
01:42:24.380 with
01:42:24.520 him
01:42:24.620 in
01:42:24.760 California
01:42:25.320 I
01:42:26.320 didn't
01:42:26.560 see
01:42:26.880 him
01:42:27.060 I
01:42:27.360 never
01:42:27.520 get
01:42:27.680 to
01:42:27.820 say
01:42:27.960 goodbye
01:42:28.260 to
01:42:28.460 him
01:42:28.620 and
01:42:29.020 you
01:42:29.160 you
01:42:29.320 sitting
01:42:29.580 in
01:42:29.700 that
01:42:29.840 cell
01:42:30.020 and
01:42:30.140 you
01:42:30.220 crying
01:42:30.440 your
01:42:30.600 eyes
01:42:30.740 and
01:42:31.240 there's
01:42:31.420 times
01:42:40.940 I
01:42:41.160 stood
01:42:41.440 on
01:42:41.580 my
01:42:41.720 two
01:42:41.900 feet
01:42:42.160 and
01:42:42.320 I
01:42:42.440 gotta
01:42:42.600 accept
01:42:43.000 everything
01:42:43.400 but
01:42:44.120 the
01:42:44.340 reality
01:42:44.720 of
01:42:44.900 a
01:42:45.020 kid
01:42:45.160 that
01:42:45.320 wants
01:42:45.500 to
01:42:45.620 go
01:42:45.740 in
01:42:45.840 the
01:42:45.940 street
01:42:46.160 is
01:42:46.400 I
01:43:10.940 got
01:43:11.680 fan
01:43:12.060 guys
01:43:12.420 that
01:43:12.660 write
01:43:13.180 me
01:43:13.340 on
01:43:13.460 a
01:43:13.560 constant
01:43:13.820 basis
01:43:14.280 I
01:43:14.940 said
01:43:15.100 I
01:43:15.240 shouldn't
01:43:15.460 use
01:43:15.620 the
01:43:15.720 word
01:43:15.860 fan
01:43:16.140 I
01:43:16.420 said
01:43:16.540 because
01:43:16.720 I
01:43:16.840 respect
01:43:17.180 them
01:43:17.420 for
01:43:17.580 writing
01:43:17.800 me
01:43:17.980 from
01:43:18.180 jail
01:43:18.480 and
01:43:18.720 they
01:43:18.860 tell
01:43:19.140 me
01:43:19.280 we
01:43:19.460 wish
01:43:19.720 we
01:43:19.920 could
01:43:20.120 be
01:43:20.400 man
01:43:20.660 enough
01:43:20.920 for
01:43:21.120 doing
01:43:21.280 what
01:43:21.440 you're
01:43:21.620 doing
01:43:21.880 and
01:43:22.440 I
01:43:22.580 said
01:43:22.700 it
01:43:22.780 took
01:43:22.880 me
01:43:23.020 a
01:43:23.120 long
01:43:23.300 time
01:43:23.580 to
01:43:23.720 be
01:43:23.860 a
01:43:24.000 man
01:43:24.180 like
01:43:24.400 this
01:43:24.640 it's
01:43:24.860 easy
01:43:25.060 doing
01:43:25.300 the
01:43:25.420 other
01:43:25.540 stuff
01:43:25.840 I'll
01:43:26.060 say
01:43:26.200 it
01:43:26.320 over
01:43:26.480 again
01:43:26.760 easy
01:43:27.080 to
01:43:27.700 shoot
01:43:27.940 and
01:43:28.120 kill
01:43:28.280 this
01:43:28.760 is
01:43:28.880 the
01:43:29.040 hard
01:43:29.240 part
01:43:29.540 to
01:43:30.280 admit
01:43:30.560 all
01:43:30.740 this
01:43:30.900 stuff
01:43:31.160 and
01:43:31.300 try
01:43:31.460 to
01:43:31.620 convince
01:43:32.060 some
01:43:32.340 kids
01:43:32.620 if you
01:43:32.880 can
01:43:33.020 save
01:43:33.260 one
01:43:33.460 or
01:43:33.580 two
01:43:33.800 this
01:43:34.720 is
01:43:34.840 terrible
01:43:35.140 time
01:43:35.420 to
01:43:35.540 want
01:43:35.660 to
01:43:35.760 live
01:43:35.860 that
01:43:36.020 life
01:43:36.220 because
01:43:36.480 you
01:43:36.640 got
01:43:36.900 300
01:43:37.820 million
01:43:38.240 cameras
01:43:38.940 everywhere
01:43:39.860 you got
01:43:41.060 300
01:43:41.400 million
01:43:41.700 cameras
01:43:42.200 everybody's
01:43:42.740 doing
01:43:42.920 live
01:43:43.240 everything
01:43:43.600 is
01:43:44.260 recorded
01:43:44.860 everybody's
01:43:45.420 walking
01:43:45.700 over to
01:43:46.000 record
01:43:46.240 it's
01:43:46.400 a
01:43:46.500 terrible
01:43:46.700 time
01:43:46.940 to
01:43:47.080 do
01:43:47.240 it
01:43:47.460 but
01:43:47.760 watch
01:43:48.020 the
01:43:48.180 news
01:43:48.400 right
01:43:48.640 and
01:43:48.980 I'm
01:43:49.100 not
01:43:49.220 even
01:43:49.360 talking
01:43:49.580 about
01:43:49.780 gangsters
01:43:50.180 just
01:43:50.380 criminals
01:43:50.740 doing
01:43:51.680 dumb
01:43:52.000 shit
01:43:52.220 and
01:43:52.420 they
01:43:52.520 know
01:43:52.660 there's
01:43:52.800 a
01:43:52.920 camera
01:43:53.180 there
01:43:53.340 and
01:43:53.420 they
01:43:53.500 still
01:43:53.720 do
01:43:53.920 it
01:43:54.080 and
01:43:54.720 they
01:43:54.840 almost
01:43:55.080 saying
01:43:55.300 cheese
01:43:55.660 on
01:43:55.820 the
01:43:55.960 camera
01:43:56.240 and
01:43:56.360 they're
01:43:56.440 walking
01:43:56.680 down
01:43:56.880 the
01:43:57.040 block
01:43:57.160 obviously
01:43:58.260 there's
01:43:58.500 a lot
01:43:58.740 of
01:43:58.860 fools
01:43:59.060 but
01:43:59.260 one
01:43:59.500 of
01:43:59.620 the
01:43:59.820 great
01:44:00.520 equalizers
01:44:01.220 I
01:44:01.700 believe
01:44:02.260 of
01:44:03.020 getting
01:44:03.320 people
01:44:03.700 to
01:44:03.880 not
01:44:04.200 want
01:44:04.500 to
01:44:04.640 go
01:44:05.060 in
01:44:05.160 that
01:44:05.280 direction
01:44:05.620 of
01:44:05.740 a
01:44:05.840 life
01:44:06.060 is
01:44:06.360 social
01:44:06.680 media
01:44:07.020 I
01:44:07.240 think
01:44:07.420 that's
01:44:07.680 that's
01:44:07.920 social
01:44:08.360 media
01:44:08.600 and
01:44:08.720 smartphones
01:44:09.100 have
01:44:09.280 changed
01:44:09.460 again
01:44:09.660 John
01:44:10.320 what
01:44:10.940 book
01:44:11.500 are you
01:44:11.960 currently
01:44:12.380 working
01:44:12.800 on
01:44:13.040 that
01:44:13.180 we
01:44:13.300 can
01:44:13.440 share
01:44:13.640 with
01:44:13.800 our
01:44:13.920 audience
01:44:14.260 if
01:44:14.440 there
01:44:14.560 was
01:44:14.720 one
01:44:14.960 book
01:44:15.160 we
01:44:15.300 could
01:44:15.420 share
01:44:15.580 which
01:44:15.780 one
01:44:15.940 would
01:44:16.040 it
01:44:16.100 well
01:44:16.360 it's
01:44:16.820 this
01:44:17.260 is
01:44:17.480 Susan
01:44:17.940 Pike
01:44:18.300 with
01:44:18.640 me
01:44:18.880 it's
01:44:19.100 called
01:44:20.060 Darkest
01:44:21.060 Hour
01:44:21.300 this is going to be a series
01:44:22.480 Darkest Hour 2 and 3
01:44:23.580 this was a set up book
01:44:25.900 after Gotti's Rules
01:44:26.780 because I did Gotti's Rules
01:44:27.860 with George Anastasia
01:44:28.840 and the set up book
01:44:30.200 we don't really talk about my childhood
01:44:32.120 this is a set up book
01:44:33.100 for 2 and 3
01:44:34.320 and 2 and 3
01:44:34.900 I'm going to really get into
01:44:36.020 all these things
01:44:37.040 I'm talking about
01:44:37.620 shootings
01:44:37.920 I'm going to get into more
01:44:38.820 but this book
01:44:39.980 different than the first
01:44:41.360 Gotti's Rules
01:44:42.080 is
01:44:43.000 I'm going to list
01:44:43.820 just like I did
01:44:44.700 names
01:44:45.080 like I just did
01:44:45.840 now
01:44:46.200 and I'm going to make sure
01:44:47.840 that there's going to be people
01:44:48.920 that were there
01:44:49.820 witnesses
01:44:50.280 if somebody wants to contact
01:44:51.500 and see the truthfulness
01:44:52.380 I guess they can contact them
01:44:53.880 and then I'm going to do
01:44:54.880 a scorecard
01:44:55.500 of every gangster
01:44:56.220 I mentioned in that book
01:44:57.260 how many armed robberies
01:44:58.880 they did
01:44:59.180 how many actual shootings
01:45:00.060 they did themselves
01:45:00.880 what are they about
01:45:01.800 you're going to piss off
01:45:02.760 a lot of people
01:45:03.280 if they're alive
01:45:04.060 you're going to piss off
01:45:04.680 a lot of those
01:45:05.280 it's going to be interesting
01:45:06.960 for them to come back
01:45:07.780 and say that's not true
01:45:08.760 I did this many
01:45:09.540 I had this many numbers
01:45:10.200 who's going to say
01:45:10.520 if I say Carmine Ignello
01:45:12.040 I'm going to use him
01:45:12.780 because he had a big mouth
01:45:13.940 over the years
01:45:14.540 right
01:45:15.260 the brother-in-law
01:45:15.960 yeah
01:45:16.220 and he ran to Cleveland
01:45:17.260 and his courtroom
01:45:18.000 got shut down
01:45:18.700 and a 16 count indictment
01:45:19.960 that does not go away
01:45:20.980 and I guess somebody
01:45:21.680 can talk to
01:45:22.300 Julianne
01:45:23.720 he's the one
01:45:24.040 that was married
01:45:24.460 to his sister
01:45:25.000 yeah
01:45:25.340 never yet used a gun
01:45:27.360 in his life
01:45:27.920 so
01:45:28.400 who's he going to
01:45:29.180 all of a sudden
01:45:29.700 get balls up
01:45:30.340 and get a gun
01:45:30.820 and come looking for me
01:45:31.680 so
01:45:32.380 you know
01:45:33.340 to me
01:45:33.820 I'm just going to
01:45:35.020 bring out
01:45:35.460 let these guys
01:45:36.200 and if you want to
01:45:37.240 do the right thing
01:45:38.040 maybe you should
01:45:38.760 talk to your kids
01:45:39.400 and tell them
01:45:39.860 the same thing
01:45:40.340 and other kids
01:45:40.940 let's not follow
01:45:42.040 this life
01:45:42.580 because
01:45:43.280 I got nothing
01:45:45.280 against any of their kids
01:45:46.300 you know
01:45:46.700 I hope their kids
01:45:47.460 don't ever follow us
01:45:48.480 and I hope my kids
01:45:49.820 do the same
01:45:50.460 and I've had problems
01:45:51.820 with one of my sons
01:45:52.520 so you know
01:45:53.200 the reality is
01:45:54.660 break the cycle
01:45:56.020 right
01:45:56.740 this is a terrible time
01:45:57.940 to want to go
01:45:58.480 that life
01:45:59.000 terrible time
01:46:00.280 to want to go
01:46:00.720 that route
01:46:01.200 John
01:46:02.640 again
01:46:03.380 thank you
01:46:03.860 for flying out
01:46:04.420 to Dallas
01:46:04.800 to do this sit down
01:46:05.740 thanks for coming up
01:46:06.640 thank you too
01:46:07.140 appreciate you
01:46:08.100 thanks everybody
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