Valuetainment - Episode 382： John Gotti’s Hitman Exposes The Dark Side of Mafia

00:00:00.000 30 seconds, one time for the underdog, ignition sequence start, let me see you put em up, reach

00:00:09.240 the sky, turn the stars up above, cause it's one time for the underdog, one time for the

00:00:16.220 underdog.

00:00:17.320 I'm Patrick, by the way, host of Value Tim, and today I sat down with John A. Light, who

00:00:20.420 was a former hitman, yes, a hitman, to the John Gotti crime family many, many years ago,

00:00:26.300 and he talks about the dark side of mafia life.

00:00:29.040 John, thanks for coming out.

00:00:30.200 Thank you for having me, I appreciate it.

00:00:31.620 So, you know, one of the questions before we get into everything that we got, how did you

00:00:36.340 even get into having a relationship with John Gotti Jr.?

00:00:39.500 How did that connection take place with the two of you?

00:00:42.340 I grew up back in Woodhaven, Queens, Jamaica Avenue, and I grew up around the mob.

00:00:47.880 So, before Gotti Sr., Jr.'s father, took over the mob in IRE as the boss, Andy, Fat Andy

00:00:54.620 Ruggiano was the boss, who I was close with the family, with the sons, they played baseball

00:00:58.960 with him, I used to box at the same gym, and he was the Captain Gambino family that ran

00:01:04.020 our area.

00:01:04.600 When he went to prison, Sr. took over and stepped in his shoes, and that's who you start

00:01:10.040 reporting to, is whoever takes over that position.

00:01:13.480 So, the introduction was made through, what was the local community, did you kind of meet

00:01:17.520 him, were you guys friends, at what age did you meet John Gotti Jr.?

00:01:20.980 Well, Jr. and me became, we knew each other, when Jr. was about 16 years old, I was a year

00:01:28.120 older than him at 17.

00:01:29.840 We were introduced through mutual friends, said hello, goodbye, and he would come up to

00:01:34.320 Jamaica Avenue once in a while, seeing a guy named Johnny Gebbett.

00:01:38.060 Actually, he's one of the guys I ordered his murder the first week I went into prison.

00:01:41.620 I told him to hit this guy when I go to prison.

00:01:43.460 So, that was his introduction to me and him, and later on, that ended up being, I guess,

00:01:52.300 me and Jr. had that love-hate relationship since we're children.

00:01:55.860 Oh, since him 16, you 17, so right off the bat, you guys had a love-hate relationship.

00:02:00.280 Yeah, it was on his end, he needed us guys from Jamaica Avenue because he wanted to become,

00:02:06.060 he had aspirations to be like his father.

00:02:08.720 So, he wanted to meet some tough guys, and Jamaica Avenue, where we grew up, were guys

00:02:13.860 that didn't have money.

00:02:15.080 We come from a poverty-stricken area.

00:02:17.900 Where he grew up was a rich area.

00:02:20.100 So, in order for him to feel that he was being, getting his feet wet in the street, he had

00:02:25.220 to come up to Jamaica Avenue and meet me and some of my friends.

00:02:28.700 So, his initial friend was Johnny Gebbett, who was a street guy.

00:02:31.560 I mean, uh...

00:02:32.060 So, at that age, 17, was his father already the boss of the Gambino family?

00:02:38.540 Has it happened yet?

00:02:39.500 Or Paul Castellano's event hasn't taken place yet?

00:02:41.620 No, it hasn't taken place yet.

00:02:42.480 Hasn't taken place.

00:02:43.140 No, no.

00:02:43.240 Okay.

00:02:43.780 So, at this point of where you're at, the community, are you in high school at 17, or

00:02:48.860 you've already been out of school?

00:02:49.720 No, I'm in high school still.

00:02:51.560 And who are you in high school?

00:02:52.780 If I went to school with you, who's Johnny Gebbett?

00:02:55.200 Oh, it was a guy that was known to be in the gyms boxing all the time.

00:02:58.640 The Lost Battalion Hall was in the gym.

00:03:00.600 Big names at that time were at the gym.

00:03:02.800 It was David Sears, and he fought Spinks.

00:03:05.340 He got knocked out very quick, but he was a great fighter, actually.

00:03:07.900 Bert Young from Rocky owned him and managed him.

00:03:11.380 Jerry Cooney.

00:03:12.520 I did some shows with Jerry Cooney on his radio show.

00:03:15.440 So, Jerry Cooney was in that gym, same gym as me.

00:03:17.480 And Andy's, Fat Andy Ruggiano's kids.

00:03:20.920 Albert Ruggiano, great athlete and a fighter.

00:03:22.820 So, we all were in those gyms.

00:03:24.620 Billy Streamy ends up getting killed also.

00:03:26.660 Fat Andy's kids.

00:03:27.480 So, this is like the place.

00:03:29.460 This is the place.

00:03:30.400 This is the tough guy's place where you're growing up at.

00:03:33.220 Oh, no doubt.

00:03:33.960 We nicknamed our area Death Haven because most of these guys that we're going to speak about

00:03:38.180 are dead.

00:03:39.100 They all got killed.

00:03:40.280 So, you know, I'm one of the lone survivors, I guess, over the years.

00:03:43.680 And there's close to 100 guys that grew up with us in that neighborhood that lost their lives.

00:03:48.960 Now, let me ask.

00:03:49.580 You said close to 100 guys?

00:03:51.240 Yeah.

00:03:51.360 So, growing up as a kid, at what age were you forced to be tough to survive in that area?

00:03:56.360 Is it right like five, six, seven?

00:03:57.880 How soon does it start?

00:03:59.380 My father was a fanatic about fighting and not getting bullied.

00:04:03.920 So, at an early age of three years old, we were actually working out, doing push-ups,

00:04:09.200 and learning to jump rope.

00:04:10.580 Three years old.

00:04:11.240 Three years old.

00:04:12.260 And we had a regimen of routines in baseball and boxing.

00:04:15.740 Those were his two sports for us.

00:04:17.040 So, we were known, and my father was known in the area as king of the kids.

00:04:21.040 He would bring kids down and learn how to box with us.

00:04:24.000 And so, some of our childhood friends, like Timmy Donahue, he's passed away also, was also learning to fight with us.

00:04:30.640 So, my father brought us in and didn't want us to grow up in a neighborhood that was tough without being able to be tough.

00:04:36.740 So, right off the bat, you're learning how to box.

00:04:38.940 Right off the bat.

00:04:39.700 Now, your dad, who was your dad personality-wise?

00:04:42.260 Was he a gangster?

00:04:43.200 Was he connected to anybody?

00:04:44.700 Was he just a respected guy?

00:04:46.040 Was he a money guy?

00:04:47.380 Was he a worker?

00:04:48.340 Who was your pops?

00:04:48.860 My dad grew up in Rivington and Delancey Street, which is a known hub, especially back when he grew up in the 40s and 50s,

00:04:57.060 with gangsters, like Vito Genovese were down there, and guys like that, famous gangsters in those days.

00:05:03.280 So, he was a hang-around guy.

00:05:05.360 He wasn't a shooter.

00:05:06.340 He was a gambler, but he stood with all gangsters, and he was very friendly with Lucky Luciano's cousin, Charlie Luciano.

00:05:13.080 We used to call him Blackie.

00:05:14.480 So, I was introduced to him as a young kid.

00:05:16.240 So, my father was very familiar with the world of mob guys.

00:05:22.520 Was he trying to get you to stay away from the world?

00:05:25.380 Like, what's the link?

00:05:26.360 Was he kind of like, hey, you got to go out there and figure out a way to make money at all costs?

00:05:30.600 What was the conversation like between you and your pops?

00:05:32.820 No, my dad was complete opposite.

00:05:34.740 He was a gambler, a hustler, and didn't want me with the mob world.

00:05:40.200 But at the same time, he was bringing me around these guys.

00:05:43.620 So, as he's telling me, stay away, as I'm getting older, I'm getting attracted to the money, and I see my father struggling.

00:05:50.600 And I see some of these guys, and they treat me well, and, you know, I'm getting attracted to that life, and I want that life.

00:05:57.320 You wanted that life.

00:05:58.420 I wanted that life.

00:05:59.200 My father wanted me to be a pro fighter or a pro ball player, you know, a baseball player.

00:06:03.460 So, he had a different outlook on things, and he didn't think, in my father's mind, I'm very close to my dad, is to teach me to survive, for me to understand the mob world, but to be like him.

00:06:16.880 Don't go and dive into that world.

00:06:19.520 And I guess he thought that I would never dive in, I'd be like him, but it was the opposite.

00:06:23.620 I went to the extreme the other way.

00:06:25.880 You went to the extreme the other way.

00:06:27.800 Mom and dad, both Albanian?

00:06:29.540 Both Albanian.

00:06:30.100 Both Albanian.

00:06:30.620 Both Albanian.

00:06:31.020 Okay, got it.

00:06:32.080 And so, he's trying to, you know, encourage you not to get in, but at the same time, you're around the environment, you know, gambling, you're around.

00:06:39.100 And at what age are you around these folks, by the way?

00:06:41.060 Is it very, like, early, early?

00:06:42.380 Oh, I'm very young, early.

00:06:43.500 Very early.

00:06:44.140 Very early.

00:06:44.820 And are they taking a liking to you?

00:06:46.320 Like, look, you know, we like, you know, we like, is there a name?

00:06:49.000 Hey, little Johnny, Johnny, were you like somebody that was liked?

00:06:52.000 Yeah, I was a skinny little kid, but I was muscular, because I was always doing push-ups and pull-ups.

00:06:56.880 So, they used to joke, Johnny, walk on your hands, because I could stand on my hands.

00:06:59.980 Johnny, show us to do pull-ups.

00:07:01.680 And I was like a good dog doing tricks, right?

00:07:03.940 I liked the attention that I, they kept saying it was tough.

00:07:06.260 They'd show me, tell me to put their hands up, hit your hands, I'd hit their hands boxing a little bit, and they'd get a kick out of me.

00:07:12.360 And I got a kick out of them getting a kick out of me.

00:07:14.860 Interesting.

00:07:15.380 So, I continued with it.

00:07:16.400 Form of entertainment.

00:07:17.680 Form of acceptance.

00:07:18.480 So, what was the first experience of making money illegally or legally for you?

00:07:25.640 At what age?

00:07:26.820 Again, I was in an environment that it was constant trouble, and it was constant gang-related back in those days.

00:07:34.420 You know, back in those days, it was a lot of racial tension because of the times.

00:07:39.620 It was the 60s.

00:07:40.420 So, I worked in a deli, and I spoke about this, it was called Dick's Deli, and it was a legitimate job.

00:07:46.220 And in between going to box and playing baseball, I became the captain of the baseball team in high school.

00:07:51.000 So, I was working in this deli, but that deli introduced me to a couple things.

00:07:56.020 A lot of my friends that were involved with a gang called Seven and Nine that were very dangerous, and it was basically, it became a huge gang throughout all New York, not just our area.

00:08:05.360 And it introduced me to the corner shop, the car service.

00:08:09.620 It happened to be my girlfriend's father, and he was a gangster with the Lucchese family.

00:08:13.820 And around the corner was a bookmaker, which was his brother, Louis Gaddy, and George Gaddy.

00:08:19.840 And he ran the local bookmaking area and horse room.

00:08:24.480 How old were you at this time?

00:08:25.580 I remember what you were saying.

00:08:26.280 I'd get maybe 15 when I started getting involved running slips for them, innocently.

00:08:31.700 At 15?

00:08:32.320 Yeah, I'm working in Dick's Deli, and they asked me, do me a favor and run it across the street.

00:08:37.400 So, innocently, I'm not looking to get involved to that extent.

00:08:41.120 They're just guys telling me, bookmakers and some tough guys and a couple killers that later on at that age, I still don't realize they're killers.

00:08:48.740 They were humble guys, and people have the idea the loudest man in the room is the toughest, and it's the complete opposite.

00:08:56.040 The guys I've learned to look up to were guys like Charlie Luciano that were humble and quiet and gentlemen.

00:09:02.760 And those are the guys when they can turn that switch on and kill.

00:09:05.780 And I try to mimic those guys as I got older.

00:09:08.680 It's funny.

00:09:09.120 Gianni Russo also said in New York he would run.

00:09:11.240 He was a runner at 14, 15 years old for Frank Costello is what he was doing that for when he was doing certain favors for.

00:09:18.560 So, at what point were you kind of like, well, you know, I'm running, I'm doing this, but I'm seeing the lifestyle.

00:09:22.740 Maybe there's a bigger opportunity here.

00:09:24.680 Where was that opening?

00:09:26.580 Was there anything that was, you know, was it accidental?

00:09:29.200 Was it intentional?

00:09:29.920 How did it happen?

00:09:30.340 Well, I didn't have to really, after doing that, I didn't have to get any further introduction because I'm working and I'm making $75 a week in the deli.

00:09:40.940 Basically working full time for whatever minimum wage it was back then.

00:09:45.160 And if George or Louie had a good week in their runners, he tore, he was also a professional boxer, he tore, he was a gangster, and Mousy, another guy.

00:09:54.980 When they were having a good week, they tipped me $20, $50, $100.

00:09:58.440 So, at the end of the week, I'm getting $75 from the deli, and these guys may be on a good week, they're giving me $300.

00:10:04.340 And you're talking about when I'm a kid, when $300 is like $3,000.

00:10:07.640 What year is this?

00:10:08.500 This is 1975, 76, 77.

00:10:13.200 That's a lot of money right there.

00:10:14.280 A lot of money.

00:10:14.900 Yeah.

00:10:15.660 For a 14, 15-year-old kid making $300 a week on top of the $75.

00:10:20.920 So, okay, so now you meet Gotti.

00:10:22.900 You're 17, he's 16.

00:10:25.240 Where does the relationship go to, you know, come on in, let's do some more work together?

00:10:29.980 How did that happen?

00:10:30.620 How does that happen?

00:10:31.180 Well, I'm Nickel Diamond in the drug business.

00:10:34.500 Albert Ruggiano is my, you know, what you would say, umbrella, and he's a couple years older than me.

00:10:39.400 And if I had any issues, I would bring it to Albert.

00:10:42.080 At the time, his dad was still the boss.

00:10:44.560 And when his dad leaves, I'm also dabbling in a bookmaking business.

00:10:50.300 And Gebbett has a problem with Gotti on the street with some Jamaicans.

00:10:55.280 They rob, I think, about 200 or 300 pounds at that time.

00:11:00.300 Gebbett was moving weed at that time, what we call weed back then.

00:11:03.120 And Gotti was his partner.

00:11:06.000 They asked me to take a ride and be the shooter with Gebbett.

00:11:09.840 Actually, I was the driver.

00:11:10.880 Gebbett was the shooter.

00:11:12.020 And that was the first time they asked me to do a favor.

00:11:14.220 And it was really Gebbett that was asking me the favor because he lived around the corner from me.

00:11:18.440 And he was friends with Gotti and friends with me.

00:11:21.120 So he said, would you do me a favor and take the ride?

00:11:22.840 I said, yeah.

00:11:23.780 And we met Gotti to discuss how we were going to do it.

00:11:26.100 And that was probably the first major step into becoming, later on, involved in setting up multiple killings, shootings, and beatings around the city.

00:11:37.680 What was the first time the request was made?

00:11:39.780 Like, how did they know you were the guy to go to?

00:11:42.280 Had you already killed people before or had never happened before?

00:11:45.100 No, you know, most of my friends, unlike what people think, because they know my history now, they think I was a wild kid with guns and knives and bats.

00:11:53.500 It was actually the complete opposite.

00:11:54.900 All my friends are in Seven to Nine Gang.

00:11:57.560 My first friend, Michael Stratton, ends up killing a kid at 16 and going to prison.

00:12:02.580 Another young guy, Tommy Turner, kills another guy that works at Dick's Deli with us.

00:12:08.440 They try to jump him.

00:12:09.580 He stabbed the guy up.

00:12:10.920 He went to jail.

00:12:11.560 So these guys that were growing up, I mean, the Bonner brothers, they're using guns.

00:12:15.500 Everybody's using guns.

00:12:16.500 My friend Mikey Merlo gets shot in the head with a shotgun chasing a guy that had the gun.

00:12:21.920 So he'll tell you the mentality of us.

00:12:23.980 He's chasing a guy that actually has the shotgun with no gun, and he loses his life there.

00:12:29.040 So I was kind of innocent compared to them.

00:12:31.460 I wasn't running around with guns.

00:12:32.780 I was fighting with my hands.

00:12:34.780 As I'm getting acclimated with all my friends and surrounding people that are surrounded around my life,

00:12:42.860 I start slowly picking up knives, bats, and then I go into the guns.

00:12:47.700 So after that shooting with Gebbett, I think that opened the door for people to say, oh, this kid will do anything.

00:12:53.660 Got it.

00:12:54.580 So what was your first experience with knives and bats?

00:12:57.860 Was it still in your teens?

00:12:59.420 Oh, yeah, it was in my teens.

00:13:00.440 Oh, was it your teens?

00:13:01.560 By the time I'm 17, I start using a bat like crazy, too.

00:13:07.280 At 17?

00:13:08.060 17.

00:13:09.200 By the time I'm 19, I've stabbed a couple of guys, batted a couple of guys.

00:13:14.680 I got stabbed up and batted myself at 19.

00:13:17.820 I almost lost my life that year.

00:13:19.420 I was in and out of the hospitals for about a year.

00:13:21.620 And now I really understood the life.

00:13:24.720 And I started to understand, as I'm climbing up the ladder,

00:13:27.840 I'm losing my cousin, Patsy Adriano Sr. gets killed, and Mikey Merlo gets killed, and Billy Estrema gets killed.

00:13:36.360 And what is this doing to you?

00:13:38.460 When this is happening and you're seeing people that are friends, family getting killed,

00:13:43.260 are you getting the retaliatory, are you getting the retaliation blood in you or no?

00:13:46.780 You're just kind of seeing what's going on.

00:13:47.980 You've got to protect yourself.

00:13:48.780 No, I'm getting like you're doing as a journalist and as an interview person.

00:13:54.140 And you develop and you become top in your field, right?

00:13:57.120 You become somebody that's going to be the best, and you're going to do your homework,

00:14:00.020 and you're going to study, and you're going to make sure that you don't make mistakes,

00:14:04.140 and you're going to go as close as you can, as 100%, to be an expert in your business.

00:14:08.720 So I decided I'm not going to be the next victim like all my friends.

00:14:12.900 They're all getting killed out of stupidity, out of trust, and so you've got to cut those odds down.

00:14:18.600 And I said to myself, I'm going to be very aggressive, and I'm going to understand I'm not 14 or 15 or 16 anymore.

00:14:25.400 When someone comes after me, they know I'm dangerous now.

00:14:27.880 They're going to come to kill me.

00:14:29.660 Who are you trusting at that time?

00:14:32.140 Do you have people that you trust 100%?

00:14:34.980 I had a ton of guys.

00:14:36.780 As I'm getting older and I'm moving in the drug business, bookmaking business,

00:14:40.080 I have dozens of guys that work for me, and it goes into hundreds later on as I keep getting older

00:14:45.700 and I start my own crews with the OK of the Gambino family.

00:14:50.000 So I become a big earner on the street, and I become a guy that's well-known with different crews.

00:14:55.480 And I'm trusting my guys, and I'm also trusting the mob almost blindly,

00:15:00.300 believing that there's loyalty and there's honor and there's no treachery.

00:15:06.960 And I'm still naive, right?

00:15:08.380 I'm a young kid that loves this life, believes in it.

00:15:11.500 And as I start seeing some things as I'm getting older and understanding, there is no honor.

00:15:17.020 It's treachery.

00:15:17.900 There is no love.

00:15:19.100 It's only about money.

00:15:20.580 It's only about an individual surviving.

00:15:22.460 And I'm watching as I'm going through the life and getting bigger and stronger in this life

00:15:28.080 and being more successful, that I'm watching gangster made guy after made guy, you know,

00:15:33.760 cooperating, ratting, breaking the oath, our laws, our rules that I live by, although I'm Albanian.

00:15:40.060 But what was the first request that made by maybe, you know, John Jr.'s father that came down?

00:15:49.000 Did you have a meeting with John Sr.?

00:15:50.800 Have you had multiple meetings with him?

00:15:52.820 Oh, at this point, I've met Gotti Sr., Angelo Ruggiero.

00:15:56.220 I got a report to the club 24 hours a day, seven days a week when I'm called.

00:16:00.640 I have to be there early in the morning like a job.

00:16:03.300 How old are you at the same time?

00:16:04.200 18 plus?

00:16:05.140 Yeah, about 19 more so.

00:16:07.900 19, it's about the time I get stabbed up and everything.

00:16:11.660 And I don't come a couple of times and I think Gotti Sr. at this time thinks I'm just one

00:16:17.400 of his son's friends and I don't need to be there.

00:16:20.740 And I get a knock on my door and it's my grandmother upstairs, we live in the same house,

00:16:26.140 and she says, Johnny, there's a big black car outside and somebody's out there.

00:16:30.960 So I go out there and it's Gotti Sr.'s brothers.

00:16:34.160 It's Pete Gotti and Richie Gotti.

00:16:35.860 At the time, both guys aren't made guys.

00:16:38.320 And they said to him, hey, where the fuck are you?

00:16:41.820 And his brother, he says, what are you talking about?

00:16:44.160 He says, my brother's looking for you.

00:16:46.200 And I look at him funny like, and then I start realizing, wait a second, you know, to myself

00:16:51.520 a split second.

00:16:52.360 And I go back upstairs and I come down and I says, let's go.

00:16:55.900 And they said, you know, he wants to talk to you.

00:16:58.400 So that's when I realized that I'm just not some kid to him.

00:17:01.520 I'm not his son's friend.

00:17:03.440 We're not in a gang.

00:17:04.720 This is not a, you know, a school trip.

00:17:07.000 Now I'm starting to really realize this guy's noticing me and he's watching what I'm doing.

00:17:11.160 And I'm still not understanding it, that these orders I'm getting, collect money, go baseball bat, this guy, go pick up this,

00:17:16.760 is actually coming from the father.

00:17:19.300 You know, I just think it's us doing our own business on our own.

00:17:22.100 Jeannie Gotti's still alive, still around at the time.

00:17:24.940 He's not locked up yet.

00:17:26.280 And I just believe it's that.

00:17:28.580 And then I start to, it opens my eyes and said, this guy is, he's very aware of what we're doing.

00:17:34.700 He's very aware that we're moving drugs.

00:17:36.500 Just says he is it.

00:17:37.760 Because I'm not schooled fully yet.

00:17:40.080 I'm still a kid not understanding the intricacies of the mafia.

00:17:44.420 I'm not understanding.

00:17:45.840 I'm not slick enough yet to understand how things are operating.

00:17:50.340 You say something, but you might mean something else.

00:17:53.080 You're doing something and they're telling you they had no knowledge of it, but they're the ones that sent you.

00:17:57.040 I start understanding all the double dealings and the treachery and the life.

00:18:00.840 Who's teaching you, like, who is your lefty to Donnie Borasco or your sonny?

00:18:06.540 Who's playing that role in your life that is kind of mentoring and saying, like, here's what it is.

00:18:10.700 Here's what Omerita is.

00:18:12.080 Here's a code of this.

00:18:13.160 Here's this.

00:18:13.600 Who is doing that with you?

00:18:14.920 Well, there was a guy, Ronnie Martino, who was a known killer back in Dick's Deli.

00:18:19.800 Gambino family.

00:18:20.800 No, outside of the Gambino family.

00:18:22.820 He had a brother-in-law that was involved with the Gambino family, but he was involved with the Lucchese family.

00:18:28.720 And I had a lot of Lucchese.

00:18:30.340 He had a brother, Gambino, and he's Lucchese.

00:18:33.300 Not a brother.

00:18:34.120 A brother-in-law.

00:18:34.860 A brother-in-law.

00:18:35.680 Got it.

00:18:36.420 And, you know, it's not what everybody thinks.

00:18:38.340 It's not, you know, most, there's five families in New York.

00:18:40.800 There's the outfit in Chicago.

00:18:42.600 There's the Philadelphia mob.

00:18:43.860 There's the Cavacanti family in North Jersey.

00:18:46.620 We all mingle, intermingle with each other.

00:18:49.140 We do business with each other.

00:18:50.260 We're friends with each other.

00:18:51.260 But we also kill each other on orders.

00:18:53.660 So it's not as simple and cut and dry that people, there's a lot of people out there that think they know the mob.

00:18:59.380 And they think they understand it.

00:19:01.140 And there's people that are so naive.

00:19:02.900 And there's people that think they're experts in this world and this life.

00:19:07.160 There's guys like Sammy Gravano, who's a friend of mine, and other guys that are ex-skippers and bosses and underbosses that we're all in touch with.

00:19:15.820 And we live that life.

00:19:17.860 And even us, we have daily problems understanding the life and the treachery.

00:19:22.940 And as we all got out of the life and moved on with our lives or our friends died or got killed, you know, there's people that challenge us.

00:19:30.660 And these days, you know, you could challenge anybody through a computer.

00:19:33.600 Well, they talk and they just talk such nonsense because they have no idea or clue of the treachery that involves when you get to the level that we were playing at.

00:19:41.440 So what's the next play?

00:19:44.540 So now they're coming.

00:19:45.420 The brothers are coming.

00:19:46.300 You're in the car.

00:19:46.960 You're like, I got to go.

00:19:48.840 He knows what's going on.

00:19:50.100 The orders are coming from the top.

00:19:51.320 You go in.

00:19:52.420 So now there's almost a level of accountability from his end.

00:19:55.200 And the son is a friend, but you're not yet reporting to anybody, or are you?

00:20:00.620 Well, now I start reporting.

00:20:02.540 It's about close to Paul Castellano getting killed.

00:20:05.440 So it's the end of 84, about, prior to Paul getting killed.

00:20:09.980 I start reporting and having conversations more with Senior Gotti.

00:20:15.040 Prior to that, I was involved with Jeannie Gotti, Johnny Cornelia, anybody that was around.

00:20:22.400 Willie Boy Johnson was on a half sheet with him, and Gotti Sr. sent me to him.

00:20:27.200 So I understood that Gotti was my partner, the father.

00:20:30.640 And we had the New York Mets gambling with me.

00:20:33.300 So Sue and I moved to a different level.

00:20:38.680 We used to hang out at a place called Channel 80, and it was a known spot for all gangsters.

00:20:44.240 You'd pull up with a boat.

00:20:45.480 We all had cigarette boats in those days.

00:20:47.460 I had a 280 Baja with Gotti Jr.

00:20:49.600 And we'd pull up to those places, and Roger Basile owned it.

00:20:53.920 He was around Jimmy Burke from Goodfellas.

00:20:56.520 His son, Frankie, was a good friend of mine.

00:20:58.200 He gets killed also.

00:20:59.980 And I start understanding that we're all living a pretty dangerous life now.

00:21:06.800 Any moment, anybody could get killed.

00:21:08.920 It didn't matter who it was, where it was, in your house, in a business.

00:21:13.200 And it's not like these days where guys aren't shooting.

00:21:16.240 When we were growing up, 70s, 80s, 90s, killing was rampant.

00:21:21.220 Shootings were rampant.

00:21:22.600 And battings were rampant.

00:21:24.220 So when I'm doing business and I'm talking to Willie Boy Johnson, I understand where it's coming from now.

00:21:31.380 And Gotti had his conversations with me.

00:21:33.620 So I understand, Sr. had his conversations with me.

00:21:35.760 So I understand the orders are coming from him.

00:21:37.440 Did you know, were you involved in the Castellano before it happened with Sammy and the team?

00:21:42.940 Was there anything that you know about, or that wasn't at your level yet?

00:21:45.740 No, it was at my level, but it was through his son.

00:21:48.660 Jr. loved to talk to me and brag to me.

00:21:51.940 So privately, Jr. told me, I knew I'm involved with Angelo Ruggiero.

00:21:57.660 So I was close with them.

00:21:58.680 I'm close with Johnny Koenig.

00:21:59.700 At this time, I gave a beating to Patsy Catalano's kid, Jeff, who was in heroin business.

00:22:06.260 Jeannie Gotti and Johnny Koenig asked me to hurt him.

00:22:08.320 I gave a beating to a guy, Frankie.

00:22:10.460 You know, these beatings are serious beatings, not with your hands.

00:22:13.100 Bat.

00:22:13.560 Bats, blackjacks.

00:22:15.720 A guy, Frankie, that strayed away from Johnny Koenig.

00:22:18.440 And they asked me to hurt him.

00:22:19.740 Another guy, Mitch Sanders, they asked me to hurt him over some sort of rape with his girlfriend's sister.

00:22:27.320 They accused him.

00:22:28.000 And they go ask him, they ask the Gambino family to do the work.

00:22:30.480 Johnny comes to me.

00:22:31.600 So I start understanding.

00:22:32.920 I hurt Gene Foster on the beach.

00:22:34.820 And I start hurting guys and batting guys and piping guys.

00:22:38.720 And it's coming from, at that time, I didn't really understand what was coming from Gotti Sr.

00:22:43.620 until, until he didn't like that I didn't jump on a situation fast enough.

00:22:48.740 And he called me in his office.

00:22:50.400 And he said, didn't my son tell you to do something?

00:22:52.460 And then the next conversation I had was, if it's not done, you're going to have a problem.

00:22:58.760 So I took care of business.

00:23:00.500 A senior told you this?

00:23:01.440 Yeah.

00:23:02.740 And then I went through that on a regular basis.

00:23:05.220 No, these are beatings still.

00:23:06.720 Oh, you still haven't, you still haven't.

00:23:08.260 I'm doing shootings, but I haven't killed anybody besides the Gebbet, and he was the actual shooter.

00:23:14.260 So I don't know how many guys died on that shooting.

00:23:16.680 But, you know, we hit, I believe, three guys.

00:23:19.980 And maybe a girl actually was there.

00:23:21.740 So, you know, you don't stand back there and count how many guys are going down.

00:23:25.400 You know they're going down, they're screaming, and he's shooting like crazy.

00:23:27.920 So that's your first one?

00:23:28.920 Yeah, that's my first one.

00:23:29.760 I was young.

00:23:30.240 I was 19 years old.

00:23:31.240 What happened, when that happened to you, were you like, I cannot believe I just did this?

00:23:36.100 What the hell just happened?

00:23:37.380 Or were you?

00:23:38.020 I was mad because, I talk about this, Gotti and the kid Jerry were following us in a K car, Junior,

00:23:44.420 and they were supposed to be our blockers.

00:23:46.600 And they took off and made a left when the police were chasing us.

00:23:49.460 It happened the police just stumbled on us.

00:23:50.900 They were coming in the direction of the shooting.

00:23:52.920 It wasn't, we weren't far from the precincts, from 102nd precinct, so there's a lot of police cars there.

00:23:57.960 I mean, for them to be coming down the block at that time, you got some bad luck.

00:24:02.300 So after we do the shooting, I would think, you know, I wasn't sure how I would react either, like you're saying.

00:24:07.520 Naturally, you're not sure.

00:24:08.620 Are you going to hold your mud, or are you going to panic, or are you going to, it became very natural to me.

00:24:13.480 It was very easy.

00:24:14.600 I pulled away.

00:24:15.700 The cops were chasing us.

00:24:16.860 Gebbett left the gun in my car, and he jumped out while I was moving.

00:24:20.380 I was going slow down a one-way street.

00:24:22.920 Not slow, but I was coming up to the stop sign.

00:24:25.480 And he jumped out, and he said, let me out.

00:24:27.000 But as he jumped out, he left the gun, and the cops started chasing me.

00:24:31.400 And my follow car, my backup car, was supposed to be guarding his kid Jerry.

00:24:36.920 And they had an excuse why they jumped out.

00:24:38.900 So really, I'm the only guy holding the mud.

00:24:41.160 And I was heading down towards Atlantic Avenue.

00:24:43.660 I know the street's there because we live there.

00:24:46.000 And I know it's a one-way.

00:24:47.780 I open up the passenger door.

00:24:49.520 I open up the other door.

00:24:50.820 I take the gun, and I start huffing on my feet.

00:24:53.560 I leave the car so the cops can't go by.

00:24:55.300 I get across Atlantic Avenue.

00:24:57.380 I start jumping fences in some backyards, and I'm taking the gun apart and dropping it in sewers as I'm running.

00:25:02.600 And I get myself back to our club on 113th Street, and I'm steaming.

00:25:07.400 And I said, now I want Gebbett.

00:25:08.940 This is the first time I'm saying, okay, I'm going to get Gebbett.

00:25:11.180 And so Gebbett came to the shooting high.

00:25:14.740 He was smoking dust.

00:25:16.380 And he's a wild guy.

00:25:18.200 You know, no doubt I know Gebbett since he's a kid.

00:25:20.440 He's a shooter.

00:25:21.120 He shot a lot of guys, but he's a guy that's smoking angel dust.

00:25:24.480 So I look at him in a different light now.

00:25:27.320 You're weak.

00:25:28.320 You can't do work without doing that.

00:25:29.960 You left me.

00:25:30.560 And I'm looking at Gotti, and I'm thinking, that's all I'm thinking.

00:25:36.120 And why I stick around is because I have a bigger plan for myself.

00:25:40.620 Because everybody asks me that question, why do you stick around?

00:25:43.600 I says, because Junior wasn't my direction.

00:25:46.600 His father was the direction I was trying to go.

00:25:49.120 And Angelo Ruggiero at the time is moving heroin with Genie Gotti, Johnny Kinnick.

00:25:54.480 They all get pinched, Mark Ryder.

00:25:56.520 And I'm very friendly with them.

00:25:58.940 And I'm moving some, I start moving packages, not in their level, in small levels,

00:26:03.600 but I'm moving it through Rikers Island, through another guy that said, Rikers Island,

00:26:08.760 a guy, Chrissy, Pete Chrissy, he's dead.

00:26:10.900 He died also, but his brothers are still around there.

00:26:13.040 His brothers work for me.

00:26:14.040 Actually, one of his brothers, Tommy Chrissy, shot Gebbett up before we kill him.

00:26:19.140 Well, it was on a kill when we see him, which he lived.

00:26:23.320 But I'm in a different circle, and I understand what I'm involved with now,

00:26:29.700 with Angelo, with Johnny, and the shootings start, the drug business starts.

00:26:33.940 So I understand, and I know where I want to go.

00:26:35.960 I got the New York Mets gambling with me.

00:26:38.400 And actually, somebody questioned that.

00:26:41.040 I don't remember who.

00:26:42.280 And they came out with a check from Keith Hernandez of $5,000 to show they were paying.

00:26:47.160 They found the $5,000 check from Keith Hernandez?

00:26:48.880 Yeah, they put it in the papers.

00:26:49.900 It was in the New York papers.

00:26:51.320 So that's documented.

00:26:52.260 It's documented.

00:26:53.060 Got it.

00:26:53.620 You know, a lot of this stuff I'm speaking about, there's a new book I'm coming out with,

00:26:58.060 Doc's Out 2.

00:26:59.660 And I'm going to come back this time, you know, because I'm going to talk about shooting

00:27:05.080 after shooting, stabbing after stabbing.

00:27:07.500 But this time I told my author I want the witnesses and their names, besides the victims,

00:27:12.660 in that book, and I'm going to do a scorecard inside.

00:27:16.000 So I'm going to show it step by step for the people that don't understand the life.

00:27:20.220 So at that moment when that event happened with Gotti Jr., is your level of trusting him

00:27:27.820 at a good score?

00:27:29.980 And then after that, it's a score where you're kind of keeping in the back of your mind saying,

00:27:33.260 I can never trust this guy?

00:27:34.280 Like, where are you with him?

00:27:36.780 Because there are certain things where you see somebody do something in the back of your

00:27:39.540 mind, like, okay, it's done, I can never trust this guy, but I have to act like I do.

00:27:43.680 Is that kind of what happened between the two of you?

00:27:45.880 A hundred percent, because people ask you this, you know, during the trials, there's

00:27:50.260 a lot of questions from lawyers and journalists, and, you know, and I said to them, listen,

00:27:55.480 I tell everybody the same thing.

00:27:57.600 You had other positions before this.

00:27:59.740 As a kid, you're growing up, and there's bosses you don't respect, you don't trust,

00:28:04.020 and you keep it there in the back of your head.

00:28:05.660 It's just a lesson learned that you know that you can't trust him.

00:28:08.140 You know that he's not, he doesn't belong in this life.

00:28:12.360 As the years are moving on, and not even years, as the months and weeks are going on,

00:28:17.240 I just named probably half a dozen of our friends that are already dead.

00:28:20.420 By the time the next year comes around, I can name another six, seven guys that are dead.

00:28:26.080 Peers.

00:28:26.840 Peers, good friends, and some of these friends of mine are guys later on that I kill, or I

00:28:33.420 have killed.

00:28:33.960 You know, I had, like Johnny Gebbett, I have him killed.

00:28:36.960 At one time, he was my friend as a kid.

00:28:38.880 He lived around the corner from me.

00:28:40.320 But you're starting to understand the life, and you're starting to understand the treachery,

00:28:43.460 and you're understanding, just like at war, that this is, you're not playing a game no

00:28:49.340 more.

00:28:49.520 You're not in a schoolyard.

00:28:50.760 You're not going to punch a guy in the face, and it's going to end.

00:28:52.880 So, you start really understanding, when you can't trust somebody, you don't say it.

00:28:58.360 You don't talk.

00:28:59.020 Only the guys that talk end up dead.

00:29:01.160 So, you know, I always use the armed forces.

00:29:03.540 I got a lot of respect for these guys, and I've talked about it on a regular basis, armed

00:29:07.240 forces, because these guys, every day, put on a uniform.

00:29:11.980 Whether they see action, no action, they have the possibility of losing their life.

00:29:15.900 So, when people sit in their comfortable homes, and they don't salute our flag, or they don't

00:29:21.080 get up and respect people in armed forces around the world, not just this country, I

00:29:26.240 despise them.

00:29:27.460 They're cowards, and I have strong feelings against them, because these men, they lost

00:29:31.500 their mothers, fathers, kids, children, and we have no right in no matter what.

00:29:36.800 And I lived a rough life on the street, and no matter what this country has done to me,

00:29:41.660 as far as prisons, I'll never disrespect the flag or the people that fight for our country.

00:29:48.320 So, it's very important, and I think that the message that some of these people leave

00:29:53.560 out in the street about something they don't understand, it's important to get the right

00:29:57.460 message out there.

00:29:58.360 John, at that moment when you were seeing what happened with you and Gotti Jr., was there

00:30:05.920 a moment where the next time you saw him where he couldn't look at you in your eyes, was

00:30:08.960 there anything like that where the tension was felt, or no, you acted like everything

00:30:12.900 was okay?

00:30:13.840 Like, even a smile like you just made right now, that smile tells 50 stories, right?

00:30:17.340 So, you know what I'm saying, when you see somebody and there's a smirk or a smile or

00:30:21.360 a squint or an angle of looking at them, is there any of that felt between the two of

00:30:25.720 you, or nothing at all?

00:30:27.120 Yeah, I asked him what happened, he gave me an answer, I knew it was bullshit, and I didn't

00:30:32.200 question it anymore.

00:30:32.960 I just put it in the bank and said, okay, I know what he's made of now.

00:30:36.020 So, I understood at that moment that he'll sell me out any second, any time, and later

00:30:42.100 on he does.

00:30:43.860 So, then this leads me to the next question.

00:30:46.300 Now you're saying in that moment, you have bigger ambitions on what you want to do, right?

00:30:50.540 You're saying, I have bigger ambitions.

00:30:52.660 But you're Albanian, right?

00:30:54.700 You can't be a made man in a Gambino family and be Albanian.

00:30:59.560 You've got to be Italian, right?

00:31:01.120 I mean, that's one of the things that they had themselves, especially to go be a boss.

00:31:05.000 To be the boss, it's a complete different story.

00:31:06.880 So, as much as you're motivated and ambitious to do it, what was your formula on how to get

00:31:12.500 to the top?

00:31:13.080 No, I understood technically, I couldn't be officially made, technically.

00:31:18.120 But otherwise, in every other aspect of that street world, I'm considered being made guy.

00:31:24.700 I'm considered being almost a boss on the street.

00:31:26.660 I'm considered by anybody in a mob, because you know what runs the world of the mafia?

00:31:32.240 Is violence.

00:31:33.380 Violence and money.

00:31:34.760 So, if you can, I had the qualities that other guys didn't.

00:31:37.740 I was intelligent, so I knew how to make money.

00:31:40.120 I knew how to operate businesses.

00:31:41.860 And I was vicious.

00:31:43.140 So, those qualities make me become another Jimmy Burke, who was Robert De Niro of Goodfellas.

00:31:50.660 Well, of course, yeah.

00:31:51.700 His son was my Goodfellas.

00:31:52.620 So, I looked at Jimmy Burke, and I don't think there was anybody, ever, when he was in jail,

00:31:57.700 on the streets would ever say, oh, you're Irish, we're not respecting you as a gangster

00:32:02.860 or as a mob guy.

00:32:03.880 Well, Joe Watts, who was a very personal friend and a known killer in our family, and John Gotti

00:32:09.880 Sr.'s main guy, and he was German.

00:32:13.100 So, there's guys that I looked at and said, I'm going to be them.

00:32:16.160 And I did become them.

00:32:18.080 The guys testified in trials in court that I had my own crew, and it was very unusual

00:32:23.240 for an Albanian, a non-Italian, to be able to run their own crews on the street.

00:32:28.380 Nobody's challenged.

00:32:29.040 But there's guys, and there's groups outside of, you know, you see some of these mob sites,

00:32:33.900 and the guys, they don't even know what they're speaking about.

00:32:36.140 There was, you know, the Westies, an Irish group out of New York, Manhattan.

00:32:39.800 I would laugh if somebody ever typed something to them back in the 80s that they're not respected

00:32:45.980 because they're Irish.

00:32:47.660 And even, we'll talk about these days, the last four hits in the American-Italian mafia

00:32:53.760 were done by black guys.

00:32:55.920 So, I want to see those same guys telling them, well, we're not going to respect them.

00:33:00.940 People in the street, and this is anybody in the street, whether you're Hell's Angels,

00:33:05.680 my friend was, he just passed away, grew up since we were kids, was president of Hell's Angels.

00:33:11.520 I don't want to see, I don't think there's anybody in it from the street that is really

00:33:15.740 a legitimate tough guy that doesn't understand the street.

00:33:18.400 We understand to respect somebody with intelligence and somebody that is on the street that's tough.

00:33:25.180 So, regardless, no one says to you, well, what's your nationality?

00:33:28.520 I'm going to respect you for your nationality.

00:33:29.840 No, no doubt about it.

00:33:30.680 But there's a difference, like, you know Mira, you know Tony Mira, you know, there were

00:33:35.360 certain guys that were known for being earners, there were certain guys that were being known

00:33:40.260 for being soldiers, right?

00:33:41.860 There were guys that knew how to go make the money, and some of them that knew how to take

00:33:47.160 the hits.

00:33:47.500 One of the things Sammy was known for, and the reason why he got so much street credit

00:33:51.600 is, and this comes from everybody I talk to, whoever I talk to for whatever reason,

00:33:56.720 they all either respect Sammy and validate what he did, and even the whole story with

00:34:02.800 him and Gotti, him going and testifying, immunity, whatever you want to call it for

00:34:06.640 the 19 counts.

00:34:08.320 They say he ran a legitimate construction company, was making money, and at the same

00:34:13.380 time, when it came down to tune the job, he did it as well.

00:34:16.620 So, but because he was Italian, he could eventually end up being a boss.

00:34:22.400 What was your, you know, end of, you know, my vision is one day John A. Light's going

00:34:26.800 to be XYZ.

00:34:27.520 What was your vision?

00:34:28.640 I'll tell you something, because you mentioned Sammy.

00:34:31.240 Sammy Gravano, and this is the first time I mention it anyway, Sammy Gravano did an interview,

00:34:35.620 his first one since he's been home from his 15 years he just did, and his interview was

00:34:40.600 about John A. Light, he does an audio interview with a guy named Andy Deliano, who did Perfect

00:34:47.740 Gangster One.

00:34:49.160 That interview is going to be in Europe shortly, and he discusses what I am, and what's a thug,

00:34:57.360 what's a mafioso, what's a gangster, and he says most people, this is his words, are either

00:35:04.980 like a Michael Francis, who's a mafia, mafioso, earner, but not a killer, he doesn't put a

00:35:11.400 gun in his hand, he's a very intelligent man, I like him, I respect him, he speaks well,

00:35:15.540 he turns his life around, he's doing the right thing, and then there's guys like Frank Collada,

00:35:20.260 who's a thug, gangster, a killer, so there's two types.

00:35:24.700 Sammy gave me in that interview, or he said about me that I'm both, I'm an earner, I'm a

00:35:30.240 thug, and I'm a mafioso, and I'm an Albanian mafioso, that has total respect from the mob

00:35:37.820 world, and that I'm a professional hitman, and I'm a killer, and I'm the Gambino's family's

00:35:44.080 hitman, and unfortunately, I was around the wrong guys, the Gatties.

00:35:48.680 Those are his words, not mine, those are recorded words from him.

00:35:52.060 How many total people have you done, how many hits did you do total?

00:35:56.500 I hear different numbers, I hear 15, dozens, 19.

00:35:59.720 Here's the thing, you know, you go play baseball, and I've tried to say this, you know, so many

00:36:06.920 different times when I'm talking, you go play baseball, and a guy plays one game, and he

00:36:10.580 gets a base hit, he's going to remember that for the rest of his life, it's the only game

00:36:13.600 he played.

00:36:14.560 I did this day in and day out, so when someone said, did you kill Georgie Grasso, I'll give

00:36:19.940 you names, did he shoot him in the head, yes I did, did somebody say, did you kill Johnny

00:36:24.380 Gabbett, yes I did, I ordered him dead, did you kill Bruce Goddard up, unfortunately,

00:36:29.700 I'm friends with his family now, yes I did, I ordered him dead, did you shoot Mike Levegny

00:36:35.120 in the chest, and Porter calls, he testified against you 25 years, yes I did, did you shoot

00:36:40.060 Ricky Stratton in the head on the Interbottle Parkway, Johnny I, did you shoot him, yes I

00:36:44.200 did, did you shoot Paul G in front of John Gotti Sr.'s house, and you didn't care was in

00:36:49.700 front of his house, yes I did, did you shoot Nicky Pasquale five times on his porch, and he

00:36:55.140 lose his leg, and he almost died, yes I did, did you stab a guy in front of Vinnie Butch

00:37:01.360 in Fort Lauderdale in the neck and the stomach, and he was operated twice, and almost died,

00:37:07.140 yes I did, did you shoot Sal Noto's brother-in-law in bulkhead bar, yes I did, I shot his friend

00:37:14.600 outside the bulkhead bar, yes I did, I could go on with these names, and did I shoot two guys

00:37:20.100 in front of Mondellos for Michael Catapano, we call Catman, still alive, yes I did, witnesses,

00:37:26.960 did I baseball bat three bikers, and baseball bat Nicky, Kenny Nicole on 78th Street in

00:37:33.400 front of the old brother-in by accident, yes I did, he's alive, Joey Mathis is dead, I

00:37:37.340 went to protect him, did I pipe three guys and hit him with bottles in front of the Princeton

00:37:42.000 Diner in front of Lisa Matrisiak, her best friend's married to Joe Pungitore, a captain

00:37:47.160 in the Philadelphia mob, she was there, still alive, yes I did, did I stab a biker in Forest

00:37:54.400 Hills in the thigh and tell him I'll shoot him in the head, they have her come looking

00:37:57.720 for me again after that baseball bat, the other three bikers, yes I did, Michael Finney

00:38:01.440 testified against it, for it, about what I did, did I shoot Mike Pipp and two other guys

00:38:07.360 in front of 116th and 101st Avenue, yes I did, see the difference between what I do, and

00:38:12.940 I can go on, we can keep talking, I don't know how many guys I shot, I killed two

00:38:17.060 guys for sure on my property, maybe three, Danny Morrow, unlike some of the stories that

00:38:23.740 said that never happened, testified and he's on tape, it'll be out in Perfect Gangster 2,

00:38:29.520 Dino Finelli helped me get rid of the guns afterwards, seen tons of blood all over, these

00:38:33.720 are regular guys, dumped the guns for me, testified also and did an interview on tape,

00:38:39.060 Carmine Roan, multi-millionaire, legitimate guy, owns Tomatoes restaurant, testified,

00:38:45.740 I did, he was on the property, Steve Lacrotando, insurance man, regular guy, testified, I did,

00:38:54.300 so you know when guys are talking out of line or out of school, I hear it all the time, so

00:38:58.580 why is Sammy Gravano, the underboss of the family, talking about me in that way, why did

00:39:03.380 Ronnie Warnham, captain of the Gambino family, I robbed all his bookmakers, he was a one time

00:39:07.740 friend of mine, I robbed Jojo Carrazzo, at one time, concierge of the family, robbed his

00:39:12.420 bookmakers, why did anybody get any retaliation against me, I robbed two of them, I put my

00:39:17.460 name in his mouth and I taped it, Steve Catalano was there, he's still alive, Johnny Burke's

00:39:22.160 in jail, even though I don't like the kid, he was there, he didn't want to come near

00:39:26.020 the guy because the guy was too big, so these guys are alive, I can go on, why did Ronnie

00:39:30.080 want him, in his own words, in his opening statement, say if I ain't nice to Johnny A-light,

00:39:34.060 he'll kill me like he killed everybody else, why did he say in a dozen

00:39:37.720 times get his paperwork and his opening statement, it's out all over the internet, that I'm

00:39:42.360 John Gotti Jr.'s partner, I'm the partners in the drug business, over and over and over

00:39:46.300 again, he repeated it, why did Stevie Newell, a guy I shot, who I'm personally friends with

00:39:50.840 now, and we had a disagreement, that Gotti said they would protect him, I shot him, did

00:39:54.920 he say on tape, you don't know Johnny A-light, he'll shoot anybody anywhere, and John Gotti Jr.

00:40:00.860 ratted on him, ratted on me, well he became a rat and he called Stevie a rat, it wasn't true,

00:40:04.720 why did Stevie Newell say that he sees captains in the Gambino family answer to me, he grew

00:40:09.220 up in our neighborhood, so when guys talk, and I hear these tough guys on the internet,

00:40:15.160 and you got guys like Vito Guzzo, who's doing 30 something years, he's been my enemy for

00:40:19.720 years, did I have him shot, yes, did he kill the guy I had him shot, yes he did, do I like

00:40:25.640 him, no, not particularly, do I know him since he's 5, 6 years old, yes, does he have the right

00:40:30.120 to talk about me, he does, because he's a legitimate gangster, whether I like it or not,

00:40:34.520 and he knows I'm a legitimate gangster, they tried to kill me 7, 8, 10 times, I don't

00:40:37.840 how many times, these guys were on America's Most Wanted, Anthony Tabita, Frankie Foradillo,

00:40:42.760 these are serious guys, killers, but when you get guys like Big Mouth, there's a kid from

00:40:47.260 my neighbor, Frankie Giudici, who's a punk, with a big mouth, never did anything, and they

00:40:51.920 talk like they ever did anything, he never loaded a gun, he's another guy, only guys that talk

00:40:56.520 like that, you know they're about nothing, but when, at least if they're in the mix,

00:41:01.260 and you know when his friend was getting hurt, or we were collecting money off him, he ran,

00:41:05.340 he hid in front of 106 priests, these same guys that talk, they talk about my children,

00:41:11.160 my children ain't gangsters, you got children too, so when they talk out of school, you know

00:41:16.540 they're not about anything, because guys that run their mouth, they're nothing, the guys

00:41:20.760 that Frito Guzzo, who was a legitimate killer, I didn't particularly like their crimes, I didn't

00:41:25.700 like what a lot of those guys in that crew did, some of them didn't like it either,

00:41:28.640 what Vito was doing, but you can say to yourself, this guy is a gangster, he can't talk, there's

00:41:34.220 a guy out of Brooklyn, that's in the streets still, I know him since I was a kid, I won't

00:41:37.400 say his, his whole name is named Danny, he was a killer, tough guy, so he has the legitimate

00:41:41.700 right to talk about the street, but these guys that don't know what they're talking about,

00:41:45.480 because I can run those lists on and on and on of guys I shot, baseball batted, I said

00:41:50.280 I baseball batted over a hundred guys and stabbed, did I do it?

00:41:53.760 Well, people say I didn't, there's a guy Johnny that testified for John Gotti Jr., and I baseball

00:41:58.360 batted him, by myself, the three guys I just talked about, by myself, the Krasinowski brothers,

00:42:04.400 I baseball batted two, by myself, the Keegan brothers, I baseball batted one of them, by

00:42:09.040 myself, I could go on, that's why I said I'm going to say names this time, to shut these

00:42:13.700 people up that don't know what they're talking about or disrespect me, because my life's different

00:42:17.880 now.

00:42:18.160 The hard part for me is not to kill these guys that talk, the easy part for me was killing

00:42:23.640 guys and hurting guys.

00:42:25.040 Why was it easy?

00:42:26.280 That's part of my life, it's like putting on a uniform and going to the army, whether

00:42:29.480 I, it's a crazy way of thinking, when I signed up for this life, I believed in it, I don't

00:42:34.600 believe in it anymore.

00:42:35.960 There's two things that ruin this life that people don't understand, structure, right,

00:42:41.640 and fear.

00:42:43.660 There is no more fear, because they're asking people outside of the mob to do their killing

00:42:48.480 for them, or do their shooting for them.

00:42:50.320 Wait, structure and fear is what made it work, or structure and fear, it's what made it work?

00:42:55.440 Why it doesn't work now is because I can name, and I can see how I just named all the guys

00:43:02.240 I shot and stabbed, and I could have kept going, right?

00:43:04.060 You could see I could keep rambling these names.

00:43:06.000 That same guy, the same way I did that, I can name family after family.

00:43:11.440 Joe Messina, acting boss, boss, excuse me, of the Bonanno family, became a rat.

00:43:16.800 John Gotti Jr. became a rat.

00:43:19.340 Al Diarco, Lucchese family, a rat.

00:43:21.820 Philadelphia mob, Ralph Natale, rat.

00:43:24.820 Leonetti, rat.

00:43:26.780 How are you going to have structure when all your boss is a rat?

00:43:30.960 Not only the bosses, I can go down the line, the captains.

00:43:33.900 I can go to Mikey Scars, became a cooperator.

00:43:36.900 I won't call him a rat, a co-operator.

00:43:38.560 He was John Gotti Jr.'s best friend.

00:43:40.520 He made statements.

00:43:41.440 I was there when we were setting up juries for Gotti Sr.

00:43:44.540 Why is he making that statement if I'm a nobody?

00:43:47.020 If I'm not this guy, everybody says, why is he saying that Johnny A. Light,

00:43:50.340 he was there when we were going to hit Curtis Lee when I denied it?

00:43:54.600 I said, I'm not hitting a journalist.

00:43:56.560 We got enough guys we can hit and kill.

00:43:59.020 So why am I at weddings?

00:44:00.880 Why am I at Gotti's wedding?

00:44:02.220 Why am I at sisters?

00:44:03.460 So when people talk out of line and they don't have a clue what they're talking about,

00:44:06.760 they have no idea the violence that we were living.

00:44:09.360 And what I personally did for the Gambino family.

00:44:11.860 In jails, out of jails.

00:44:13.300 John, let me ask you.

00:44:14.120 I'm listening to the way you say it.

00:44:16.500 You're saying it a way a baseball player would say, you know, game three, playoffs, round,

00:44:24.600 you know, such and such.

00:44:26.140 I hit the double and it scored a winning run.

00:44:29.420 You know, game one opener against the Yankees.

00:44:33.260 I hit a, you know, home run and we ended up winning.

00:44:36.160 I went three, four, four.

00:44:37.580 The way you're saying it is just so nonchalant.

00:44:39.820 Is that a part of it where in your world there is, it almost sounds, it's like, I don't

00:44:47.040 want to say bragging rights, but it's like, listen, I'm a real soldier.

00:44:50.260 Here's what I really did.

00:44:51.300 Because you lived in that, I feel the competitive spirit that you have.

00:44:55.040 I feel the spirit of, look, I'm legit.

00:44:58.780 Here's what I did.

00:45:00.040 I was a driven guy.

00:45:01.360 I was committed to the life and I wanted to come through and I'm not one of these guys

00:45:04.800 that didn't, that were afraid to be soldiers.

00:45:06.520 I did this part as well.

00:45:08.760 That's the way it comes across.

00:45:11.060 Are these things where for you during that part of the world, you look at it and you

00:45:14.720 say, I chose to live this life and I'm proud of the job I did.

00:45:17.420 Is that kind of how you're processing it or no?

00:45:19.640 My father, let me go back to my father.

00:45:21.440 My father taught me to be best at whatever I did.

00:45:24.280 So when I played baseball, you'd have to beat me for me to back away from a guy coming

00:45:30.280 to home plate when I was a little kid in a catcher.

00:45:32.600 There's no way I'm going to step away and side tag him.

00:45:34.620 When I was in the ring, whether win or lose, they put me in the ring one time with a kid

00:45:39.420 that was destroying me and my trainer wasn't there and it was just sparring.

00:45:43.820 And I refused not to go in the ring and he beat me all over the ring.

00:45:48.880 And then when I got involved with the mob, here's the thing that why I'm so animate the

00:45:54.120 way I talk and what I say is because I believed in the mob more than anybody.

00:45:59.460 I went against my family.

00:46:01.000 I went on the run because I didn't want to give up anybody in the mob.

00:46:04.660 I left all my money, millions.

00:46:07.080 I left my children.

00:46:08.440 I stayed in a Brazilian penitentiary and I was going to rot there.

00:46:12.240 I was willing to face the death sentence.

00:46:14.120 I lived in every country you could think of.

00:46:16.580 Meanwhile, my enemies and my friends like Gotti Jr. were already cooperating.

00:46:22.640 So what I'm trying to do, and it's so important for me to say, I am the real deal.

00:46:27.020 I am the guy that did this.

00:46:28.240 It's not bragging and, you know, maybe sometimes it comes off that way because I'm angry because

00:46:33.020 I go around now.

00:46:34.560 I don't know if you know what I changed.

00:46:35.980 Because I go around and I teach kids don't follow.

00:46:38.380 That's why I'm angry because I don't want kids to follow this life.

00:46:41.580 I don't want kids to understand and think that these guys are tough guys because in my book

00:46:47.360 that I'm going to do with Susan Pike, I'm going to come out with the next book.

00:46:51.660 This is Darkest Hour 1.

00:46:53.620 I'm coming out with Darkest Hour 2 and 3.

00:46:55.880 And in Darkest Hour 2 that's coming out in February, I'm going to put a scorecard like

00:47:00.620 we do in sports.

00:47:01.980 When somebody gets just what you said, how many hits or how many tackles.

00:47:05.140 I'm going to go through how many of these guys never touched a gun in their life.

00:47:09.020 Never did a killing.

00:47:10.740 Pete Gotti say.

00:47:12.120 Never touched a gun.

00:47:12.960 He didn't kill anybody.

00:47:14.440 It's easy to ask this kid to do the killing from.

00:47:17.700 It was easy to ask me to do the killing and the shooting and then when it's finished and

00:47:21.300 all the trouble starts, say he was nobody.

00:47:23.500 Because they're going to do it to the next kid.

00:47:25.260 That's why I'm so...

00:47:26.120 Who was saying you were nobody?

00:47:27.720 Whoever says it.

00:47:28.660 I'm saying it doesn't matter who's saying it.

00:47:30.100 What I'm trying to teach these kids is don't follow this life.

00:47:33.360 I'm here to tell you I lived this life.

00:47:36.060 I was a guy that was in this life making a ton of money.

00:47:39.080 This is a dead-end way to live.

00:47:40.720 So it's very important to be very strong about the way I'm talking and what I've done.

00:47:45.580 And it's very important to let these kids know, listen, do not follow this.

00:47:49.560 This is a one-way street to nowhere.

00:47:52.260 It's very tough to live that life today, though.

00:47:54.940 You know, to have the mob life today, it's very tough to live the life today.

00:47:58.820 It's not as it was in the 80s.

00:48:01.260 No, it's not as in the 80s because they're not killing.

00:48:03.580 And they're not shooting and they're not baseball batting guys because...

00:48:06.760 Cyber security.

00:48:07.140 Well, this is why I was talking about structure and fear.

00:48:09.860 But you have guys all over the street selling powder and pills and they think they're gangsters.

00:48:15.320 They put on a suit and tie.

00:48:16.680 They put on a cigar.

00:48:17.560 They put a cigar in their mouth and they think they're gangsters.

00:48:20.200 And they're teaching these kids they can still do this and you can have a future.

00:48:23.840 But there is no future in this life.

00:48:26.080 There is no future in selling drugs.

00:48:27.700 There's no future in killing or hurting.

00:48:31.220 This is why I said it's very easy to kill and hurt.

00:48:33.660 But the hard part is not to.

00:48:35.000 John, what's your following on?

00:48:36.480 What caused the following?

00:48:37.660 I've read many different things and I've read both sides of the story.

00:48:42.280 You know, and I called around just to kind of see what they're going to tell me.

00:48:45.680 People that don't believe a single word that comes out of your mouth.

00:48:49.020 People that say, this guy's legit.

00:48:51.200 And I've called names that you know.

00:48:52.540 Some of the names you've mentioned just to kind of give that.

00:48:54.960 But they've asked me to not disclose the names for obvious reasons.

00:48:58.120 It's like if I were to call you and say, hey, what do you think about this?

00:49:00.100 This is who I'm sitting with.

00:49:00.960 Here's what's the case with this guy.

00:49:03.660 What caused the falling out with you, John, and Senior?

00:49:07.980 What caused the falling out while you're coming up?

00:49:10.140 Well, it's very simple.

00:49:11.600 I mean, anybody with an education can decipher what I'm saying and check, right?

00:49:15.960 Because I'm making statements with names.

00:49:18.120 I'm making statements of many guys.

00:49:20.000 Okay.

00:49:20.500 Here's the falling out.

00:49:21.500 Frankie DiCicco was killed.

00:49:25.160 Did you see anybody get killed after Frankie got blown up?

00:49:27.480 No.

00:49:28.560 Eddie Lena was killed by the Lucchese family by the rogue cops at Boleto.

00:49:33.080 See anybody retaliate that?

00:49:34.460 No.

00:49:35.640 Bobby Borrella was killed in front of his house.

00:49:37.780 See anybody retaliate that?

00:49:39.060 No.

00:49:39.580 Joey Scopo that was put in position to be an acting boss at a Colombo family by Gotti

00:49:43.620 when he was murdered in front of his house.

00:49:45.600 Any retaliation?

00:49:46.480 No.

00:49:46.960 My good friend, Greg Ryder, was chopped up and left somewhere.

00:49:51.900 Nobody ever found his body.

00:49:53.120 While his father did life, didn't give up, Gotti Sr., could have never spent one day,

00:49:57.980 Mark Ryder, in prison, and nobody did anything about it.

00:50:01.120 And in my belief, they ordered it.

00:50:03.040 They okayed it.

00:50:03.700 They didn't order the murder of Greg Ryder, but they okayed it.

00:50:06.680 And I could go on with that list.

00:50:08.000 Little Anthony Macuso was killed over a dispute in, I'm trying to think of, Bedrocks, with

00:50:15.360 the owner.

00:50:16.780 Did anybody kill the guy that killed him?

00:50:18.580 Regardless if the guy was wrong or right.

00:50:20.200 Our law is you can't put your hand on a made guy.

00:50:22.640 He killed him.

00:50:23.980 God, he didn't do anything about it.

00:50:25.360 Nobody did anything about it.

00:50:26.420 Why not?

00:50:27.560 So we believe in nothing.

00:50:30.400 We believe in money.

00:50:32.780 And these kids think that there's loyalty.

00:50:34.760 I just named every boss that's ratting.

00:50:36.860 I just named Sammy Gravano.

00:50:38.820 Let's put somebody in his shoes.

00:50:40.840 He was quiet.

00:50:42.160 He never got caught on tapes.

00:50:43.920 He didn't brag.

00:50:45.260 He didn't talk about murders that we committed in the past.

00:50:48.280 That it's our law.

00:50:49.520 If you do bring it up, you're killed for it.

00:50:52.040 He didn't go against his boss.

00:50:53.500 He was a big moneymaker.

00:50:54.700 He was a family man.

00:50:55.660 He didn't run around like a lot of us did with women.

00:50:57.980 He was a perfect gangster.

00:50:59.980 That guy was a perfect gangster.

00:51:02.380 And he was quiet.

00:51:04.180 Now he's known to be a rat, right?

00:51:06.460 That's what the journalists around the world projected him as.

00:51:10.740 That's what the gangsters did.

00:51:12.440 But who's really the rat?

00:51:13.860 This guy did everything for him.

00:51:15.500 Gotti gave him up every which way.

00:51:17.200 And he didn't get a chance to kill Gotti.

00:51:19.100 Maybe if he got a chance to, he would have never spoke.

00:51:22.080 But instead, he was in handcuffs, going to do 10 life sentences because of Gotti's big mouth.

00:51:26.560 Because he betrayed Sammy Gravano.

00:51:28.980 Sammy didn't betray anybody.

00:51:30.240 Wait, wait.

00:51:30.800 Did you just say if Sammy had the chance to kill Gotti, he would have?

00:51:33.800 Of course.

00:51:34.360 He would have.

00:51:35.040 100%.

00:51:35.440 Do you think Sammy was a threat to Gotti because the streets saw Sammy more as the power guy than Gotti?

00:51:41.460 Because Sammy was getting all the contacts and the relay like he could eventually be a boss or not at all?

00:51:45.120 No, because Sammy didn't have an ego.

00:51:46.760 He had no aspirations to take over.

00:51:48.420 He didn't care that John wanted to be up front.

00:51:49.520 Sammy didn't want to be a boss.

00:51:50.580 No.

00:51:50.960 Sammy had no...

00:51:51.520 Was that known?

00:51:52.580 Yeah, it was known because Sammy didn't have the ego.

00:51:54.860 Sammy stood back.

00:51:55.940 Sammy only cared about making money, staying with his family.

00:51:58.080 How much time did you spend with Sammy?

00:51:59.760 Over the years, he was always around like I was around.

00:52:02.540 You know, you're watching each other.

00:52:03.560 But were you buddies?

00:52:03.960 Were you friends?

00:52:04.340 No, I wasn't buddies at all.

00:52:05.580 I was loyal to the Gottis.

00:52:06.680 So for me to say this, I was a Gotti loyalist.

00:52:09.300 I wasn't a Sammy Gravano loyalist.

00:52:11.580 But, you know, if you're going to speak about the mob and honesty and history, history needs to be correct, right?

00:52:17.460 It can't be somebody that's in love with the romance of the Gotti story.

00:52:22.120 I mean, you said something about the Gottis, which is quite interesting.

00:52:26.660 You said anything that preserves Gotti Jr.'s image is glorifying the mob.

00:52:32.100 If you're glorifying the mob, you're killing kids.

00:52:34.560 You're teaching kids to respect the coward.

00:52:38.720 You're calling John Gotti Jr. and Sr. a coward.

00:52:43.220 Is that what you're saying?

00:52:44.480 Like they were cowards?

00:52:45.520 Listen, I'm calling all of them cowards, the Gottis.

00:52:47.800 I'm calling Jeannie Gotti a coward.

00:52:49.500 He was in jail with me.

00:52:50.440 He was my cellmate.

00:52:51.360 I slapped him around in jail.

00:52:53.240 I didn't slap him around and just talk.

00:52:55.260 Teddy Persico was there, Carmine Persico's brother.

00:52:58.380 Mikey Spinelli, a known killer, was there.

00:53:00.520 Patti Della Russo, all made guys.

00:53:02.100 They were all there.

00:53:03.160 Let somebody ask him, did I do it?

00:53:05.020 Did I have Louis Andino from GQ, we used to call him, Rob Jeannie Gotti?

00:53:09.760 Did I have James Perry slap him, throw a chair at him?

00:53:12.040 Did I have Mark Giuliani do it?

00:53:14.340 Did we beat up and hurt Ali Calabrese in jail?

00:53:17.420 You see him in the Irishman they talk about, he's a gangster, he's a gangster.

00:53:20.180 Nobody did nothing about it.

00:53:21.500 Why not?

00:53:22.260 These guys were all there with me.

00:53:23.840 Everybody knows the story.

00:53:25.480 So when people say, when they talk, when they don't have knowledge of what they're speaking

00:53:28.840 about, but I'm speaking from facts.

00:53:33.140 And I ask people, look it up.

00:53:34.740 Pete Gotti never used a gun.

00:53:36.600 Never.

00:53:37.400 John Gotti Sr. never killed anybody with his own hand.

00:53:40.080 John Gotti Sr. never killed anybody?

00:53:41.560 Never with his own hand.

00:53:42.260 It's easy to ask somebody else to do it.

00:53:43.680 Here, I'll give you a gun until you kill him.

00:53:44.900 Zero.

00:53:45.320 He's never killed.

00:53:45.860 Zero.

00:53:45.960 How would you know that, though?

00:53:47.000 I know everything about him.

00:53:48.320 He's dead.

00:53:49.460 Where's everybody?

00:53:50.440 That's the part somebody may say, he doesn't have, you're going after a guy that's dead.

00:53:55.440 He can't defend himself.

00:53:56.320 Well, his son can.

00:53:57.700 Right?

00:53:57.960 He's dead.

00:53:58.680 Let him come out.

00:53:59.660 There's FBI alive.

00:54:00.800 There's so many rats out there.

00:54:02.620 Joe Messina is a rat, knows him his whole life.

00:54:05.060 Right?

00:54:05.340 Why isn't he talking about it?

00:54:06.620 Al Diarco.

00:54:07.640 Why is he talking about it?

00:54:08.780 There's a million guys out there that hung around.

00:54:10.860 All the guys that cooperated around the Gambino family, nobody put a gun in Gotti's hand ever.

00:54:16.620 I was friendly with Willie Boy Johnson before he cooperated, while he was cooperating.

00:54:20.900 We all were.

00:54:22.080 And when he spouted off, or Angelo Ruggiero spouted off, they all said the same thing.

00:54:26.940 But I'm talking about facts because you have FBI information.

00:54:30.180 You have guys that ratted.

00:54:31.680 You have guys that stayed with him.

00:54:33.320 You have Carmen Agnello.

00:54:35.820 Never used a gun.

00:54:36.820 His brother-in-law.

00:54:37.640 He ran to Cleveland.

00:54:38.900 He had a 16-count indictment.

00:54:40.240 They closed the courtroom.

00:54:41.700 What did he do to get out of it?

00:54:43.700 He got guns in his house.

00:54:45.240 I mean, these are facts.

00:54:46.560 These aren't.

00:54:47.140 You know, so when kids are looking up at these guys, I'm telling them, don't you open your

00:54:50.880 eyes, because I never opened my eyes until now.

00:54:53.320 And now that I have a voice, I can save kids' lives.

00:54:56.440 But why is the story being told otherwise?

00:55:00.180 Why is the story being told?

00:55:03.720 Because isn't one of the criterias of being a made man, you have to kill somebody, isn't

00:55:08.520 that one of the criterias?

00:55:09.400 No.

00:55:09.560 Or it's not?

00:55:10.020 No, not at all.

00:55:10.460 So you can be a made man and a boss, and you've never killed anybody.

00:55:13.180 Correct.

00:55:13.880 Okay.

00:55:14.280 The second thing.

00:55:15.060 Isn't one of the codes of being a mobster, you can never talk to a government official,

00:55:20.500 FBI, you can never do that.

00:55:22.720 Never do that.

00:55:23.340 So who's Scotty Jr. sitting with the FBI, making 302s when I'm sitting in Brazil penitentiary.

00:55:29.040 And he could give me 20 life sentences.

00:55:31.080 So tell me who betrayed who.

00:55:32.780 I'm in a jail.

00:55:33.700 I'm in a dungeon.

00:55:34.840 I'm getting beat up.

00:55:35.680 I'm not saying he didn't say anything and nobody got arrested afterwards.

00:55:37.960 That's what he says, that nothing happened.

00:55:39.960 That's what he, I'm repeating what he said.

00:55:41.320 You know it yourself.

00:55:42.580 Okay.

00:55:43.000 You find me one gangster, because he can tell that to the public, because they don't know

00:55:46.680 any better.

00:55:47.320 We know our laws.

00:55:48.980 He sat with them.

00:55:50.080 He gave information against us.

00:55:51.600 He was an informant, just like Willie Boy Johnson.

00:55:54.380 And we all, cop, please.

00:55:57.600 Joe Watts had a cop to a murder.

00:55:59.360 Danny Marino had a cop to a murder because of John's testimony.

00:56:03.580 And he refused to get on a stand against him.

00:56:05.640 He only wanted to feed information.

00:56:07.660 That's the truth of it.

00:56:08.740 He was locked up for a silver fox.

00:56:10.680 He stabbed a kid from behind his children.

00:56:12.460 It's an open murder.

00:56:13.700 He can never get locked up for it.

00:56:15.040 Why not?

00:56:16.000 Kevin Bonner testified against all of us.

00:56:17.740 Great witness.

00:56:18.380 His girlfriend, great witness.

00:56:19.480 They were all there.

00:56:20.700 There was how many testimonies that they said they'd seen him stab him.

00:56:23.280 And he admitted.

00:56:23.940 And to me, too, he admitted he did it.

00:56:25.960 He stabbed him and he killed him.

00:56:27.380 So why isn't he getting arrested for that murder?

00:56:30.360 Ask law enforcement.

00:56:31.920 Get an explanation.

00:56:32.700 But I have his 302s we put in the book.

00:56:35.540 Documents of what he was saying.

00:56:37.460 People he was giving up.

00:56:38.920 Politicians he was giving up.

00:56:40.500 Other guys he was giving up.

00:56:42.460 He gave up his friends.

00:56:43.600 He put other friends at a murder investigation that's still open.

00:56:46.300 That is never closed.

00:56:48.220 And he put them all at that location.

00:56:50.120 So for him to say to the media, first off, he did say he did rat, actually, on video.

00:56:55.860 He said he ratted.

00:56:56.760 Then he said he only ratted a little.

00:56:58.240 Then he said he only ratted against his enemies.

00:57:00.360 And then he went back and said, I was just trying to trick the FBI.

00:57:02.940 It's not even a conversation to have.

00:57:07.680 He ratted.

00:57:08.420 It's stupid.

00:57:09.080 He sat with the government.

00:57:10.160 He made a deal.

00:57:11.240 He backed up on the deal five different times.

00:57:13.720 But that's really not the issue is not what he just did at that time of ratting.

00:57:17.980 The issue is, one after another, these guys aren't using guns.

00:57:21.440 One after another, these guys' bosses, not just the Gottis, bosses around each family

00:57:26.180 are ratting.

00:57:27.600 And they're trying to take guys like me to do the killing, to do the shooting, to do

00:57:32.900 the beating, and say he's nobody.

00:57:35.520 And then use those kids to get life sentences for them.

00:57:38.580 And these guys walk away, and they make deals on the side like Gotti did.

00:57:42.100 John, how many years did you do?

00:57:43.260 How much time did you do?

00:57:44.700 I went away.

00:57:46.480 Somebody put in it six years for this, three years for this.

00:57:48.780 It's not true.

00:57:49.600 I went away for three and a half years for a gun.

00:57:52.560 I went away in Brazil for two and a half years.

00:57:54.640 I came home.

00:57:55.320 I did 10 years here for this case.

00:57:57.800 I went in and out of jail for an assault in 1991.

00:58:02.060 I went back in 2001.

00:58:03.740 I went out again in 2002, back in jail.

00:58:06.040 So when these guys talk-

00:58:07.760 How much total time?

00:58:08.540 Total time, about 18 years in and out.

00:58:09.980 How come it's 18 years if you've killed so many people?

00:58:12.660 Why are you not doing life?

00:58:14.120 Because I'm the first guy to say, when Gotti ratted,

00:58:17.180 when I came back to the United States,

00:58:19.700 and whatever happened-

00:58:20.840 Is this when Brazil extradited you?

00:58:22.360 Extradited me back.

00:58:23.580 And I got the paperwork of Gotti ratting.

00:58:26.260 When I was in Brazil, they flew to me.

00:58:27.480 They showed it to you?

00:58:28.340 They showed it.

00:58:29.780 The constantly of the family, Joseph Carrazzo,

00:58:34.700 his son, Joe Carrazzo,

00:58:36.260 was a lawyer defending Ronnie Trucchio

00:58:38.000 at the trial in Tampa.

00:58:40.480 I was absentee.

00:58:41.420 Ronnie, went on his opening statement,

00:58:43.660 was giving Junior up because Junior was ratting.

00:58:46.240 He gave me up on the drug end

00:58:48.180 because I gave him permission to give me up.

00:58:49.940 But I didn't give him permission to give me up on murders.

00:58:52.460 And he started giving me up on murders.

00:58:55.020 But that information, the whole family knows he's a rat.

00:58:57.940 He's been shelved.

00:58:58.700 He's been chased.

00:59:00.160 Did people want to kill him?

00:59:01.260 Of course they wanted to kill him.

00:59:02.440 Will they kill him?

00:59:03.260 They don't know what information he gave.

00:59:05.160 Will they kill who?

00:59:06.260 Junior?

00:59:06.660 Junior.

00:59:06.840 Because people ask, why is he alive?

00:59:08.800 Today?

00:59:09.300 Today, always.

00:59:10.600 He's always going to have something on his hand.

00:59:11.840 Who's going to kill him today?

00:59:12.720 Well, listen.

00:59:13.700 Persico died.

00:59:14.600 Callie died.

00:59:15.280 I mean, it's calmed down.

00:59:16.180 Well, Callie's not a killer,

00:59:17.060 but unfortunately he died

00:59:18.240 because I really thought he was a decent guy.

00:59:20.360 That's what a lot of people tell me.

00:59:21.380 They say he's a really decent guy.

00:59:22.600 I think the whole Gambino faction.

00:59:24.520 They thought he was trying to turn it around.

00:59:25.600 Well, I speak openly, honestly.

00:59:27.920 The Gambino faction are gentlemen.

00:59:29.380 They're quiet.

00:59:30.000 They don't bother nobody.

00:59:30.900 What they do for a living, I can't judge them.

00:59:33.240 All I'm judging is when guys are telling guys,

00:59:36.000 put a pistol in your hair and tell a kid to kill him,

00:59:38.260 I'm telling the kids don't go into their life.

00:59:40.320 I'm not telling an adult don't stay in that life.

00:59:43.040 I'm not.

00:59:43.520 How are you alive?

00:59:44.840 So you've killed all these guys.

00:59:46.500 I mean, it's not a short list of people.

00:59:48.060 If you've hit a baseball bat, 100 people, you know,

00:59:51.720 if you do something to my family and I'm in that world,

00:59:54.340 I don't know how long, you know,

00:59:55.800 so how come nobody has retaliated to you?

00:59:59.220 If you have this many numbers of hits,

01:00:02.280 how come you're still around?

01:00:03.600 You're a public figure.

01:00:04.500 You're living in New York.

01:00:05.380 It's not like you're living in Montana.

01:00:07.600 Listen, because I'm not P. Gatti.

01:00:09.160 People know I'm vicious.

01:00:10.360 And if you come after me and you don't kill me,

01:00:12.320 they know that I'm going to probably do something.

01:00:13.920 Well, I understand, but that's a pretty quick fix, though, right?

01:00:16.320 If somebody says, so just make sure he doesn't live.

01:00:18.540 So why are you alive?

01:00:19.660 Well, who's going to kill me?

01:00:20.640 P. Gatti?

01:00:21.100 No, he's in jail.

01:00:21.640 I mean, if he was out, he's in jail.

01:00:23.580 No.

01:00:24.000 Who, Jackie knows?

01:00:24.900 He never used a gun either.

01:00:25.880 Who, Mikey Scars?

01:00:26.700 No, he never used a gun.

01:00:27.720 Carmine Agnelli, he never used a gun.

01:00:29.180 Right.

01:00:29.460 You've got to go find someone who used a gun.

01:00:30.580 I'm not asking this to try to create an event.

01:00:32.880 I'm asking this question to...

01:00:34.640 But if I was worried about that, honestly,

01:00:36.800 I wouldn't live in New York.

01:00:37.560 You wouldn't live in New York.

01:00:38.200 I would drive a converter.

01:00:38.520 Yeah, I think I give you a lot of credit for that because...

01:00:42.420 And not that others who go and live in another place,

01:00:45.000 it's to each his own,

01:00:46.700 but you decide to stay in a place like that.

01:00:48.840 You know, one of the things I was thinking about

01:00:50.500 when I was looking at this...

01:00:51.620 I've got a couple other questions we'll go through here.

01:00:53.900 But one of the things I was thinking about

01:00:55.160 when I was looking at this

01:00:56.040 is sometimes the person to be the most careful with,

01:01:05.860 and I want to preface it in a way,

01:01:07.740 and you can come back and answer it in any way you want.

01:01:11.020 I just want to hear your thoughts on this.

01:01:14.060 Sometimes, say there's a kid who, you know,

01:01:19.900 he's got a brother, and the brother's born in America,

01:01:22.640 and he's not born in America,

01:01:23.920 but this kid's more driven to be a president,

01:01:26.640 and this family, the father is pressuring them

01:01:29.560 to be a president one day,

01:01:31.160 and this brother knows no matter what he does,

01:01:34.200 he can't ever become a president,

01:01:35.500 even though he wants to become a president

01:01:36.820 more than he wants to become a president,

01:01:38.340 but he can because he was born here.

01:01:39.620 This guy wasn't.

01:01:40.660 It's a law.

01:01:41.300 You can't do nothing about it, right?

01:01:42.540 Okay.

01:01:43.480 And sometimes this guy on this side,

01:01:46.780 who maybe have more qualities to be a president

01:01:50.680 than his father wants him to be,

01:01:51.860 they want to make father proud, right?

01:01:53.040 Hey, I want to be the guy that comes through

01:01:54.560 and leaves a legacy for your last name, Pops.

01:01:56.640 You came here from another country,

01:01:57.820 I'm going to do my part, Germany,

01:01:58.860 whatever you want to talk about.

01:02:01.980 In the book, 40 Laws of Power,

01:02:03.660 I don't know if you've read the book,

01:02:04.580 40 Laws of Power, Robert Greene.

01:02:05.880 Law number one, never outshine the master, right?

01:02:09.360 Do you think there was a little bit of that spirit

01:02:11.860 felt about you, or no?

01:02:13.900 That wasn't at all.

01:02:14.600 Because did they kind of get a feeling of tension

01:02:16.620 to say, this guy's a little too ambitious?

01:02:18.980 And was that kind of your frustration to say,

01:02:21.820 you know, if I can't go out there

01:02:23.020 and get all the way to the top, screw it.

01:02:25.980 I'm going to go out there

01:02:26.660 and throw everybody under the bus.

01:02:27.860 How much of it was that?

01:02:29.340 And again, if you completely disagree,

01:02:31.120 I'd love to hear your views on this.

01:02:32.900 Here's the thing.

01:02:34.000 You know what I'm saying with this part, right?

01:02:35.760 You got to understand,

01:02:36.660 in any aspect of life,

01:02:38.340 envious people and jealous people

01:02:40.300 are dangerous people, right?

01:02:41.500 So when they see that I was successful,

01:02:43.320 they see I was making money,

01:02:44.460 they see I was dangerous,

01:02:45.480 they see that I had a big crew of people.

01:02:48.480 More than Gotti's?

01:02:49.560 Gotti's didn't have it.

01:02:51.060 John Gotti Jr.,

01:02:52.080 if you can find me a killer that was around him,

01:02:54.680 besides Bobby Borrello,

01:02:56.040 because Bobby was killed,

01:02:56.920 but Bobby wasn't a kid

01:02:57.980 that could go on the street and baseball.

01:02:59.040 John, you're saying you were bigger

01:03:00.220 than Gotti Sr. and Jr.?

01:03:01.700 No, no, no, I'm not saying that.

01:03:03.200 Sr. had a ton of guys.

01:03:04.340 Jr. didn't have guys.

01:03:06.420 Jr. had not a shooter around him.

01:03:08.100 But are you making more money than Sr.?

01:03:10.100 No, no, of course not.

01:03:11.560 So the question I'm asking is,

01:03:13.760 was there a level of envy from you towards them?

01:03:16.680 No, not at all.

01:03:17.400 Listen, the respect level is this.

01:03:21.740 As you're getting older,

01:03:23.040 you're intelligent,

01:03:24.100 unless you're a dummy

01:03:25.280 and you just follow blindly.

01:03:26.660 Sure, yeah.

01:03:27.180 But you start seeing.

01:03:28.560 I was betrayed by them.

01:03:30.580 So yeah, I was loyal to the mob.

01:03:33.180 They betrayed me.

01:03:34.380 There's no way you can turn around

01:03:35.780 the fact that John Gotti Jr.

01:03:37.780 met with the government in 2003 or 2004.

01:03:41.260 And then he signed papers a year later, 2005.

01:03:44.000 He can't change that.

01:03:45.320 That's a fact.

01:03:46.480 That's when he was in

01:03:47.400 and that's when I was in the penitentiaries in Brazil.

01:03:49.660 You can't correlate.

01:03:50.760 He can't.

01:03:51.720 He can try till he's dead.

01:03:53.420 You can't correlate whatever I did for what you did.

01:03:56.300 You did this five years earlier.

01:03:58.200 So I don't know how he's even trying to correlate

01:04:00.120 whatever he did, his actions.

01:04:01.800 The rest of the mob knows he's a rat.

01:04:03.760 Okay, now did I come in after that?

01:04:06.140 Yes.

01:04:06.700 Did Ronnie want him to cooperate?

01:04:08.980 No.

01:04:09.500 But did he give a statement,

01:04:10.720 said he was afraid I'd kill him like everybody else?

01:04:13.160 Of course he did.

01:04:14.060 What kind of statement is that?

01:04:15.260 So that's okay?

01:04:16.400 Or the guy that comes in,

01:04:18.220 and he's not the only guy.

01:04:19.580 Mikey Scars cooperated, captain.

01:04:21.560 And I just said, I went through a list.

01:04:23.060 I can go through more.

01:04:24.080 So why am I loyal to a life of Italians

01:04:26.720 when I'm Albanian

01:04:29.000 and they're not loyal to their own life?

01:04:31.560 And they're giving me up at the same time.

01:04:34.040 And all my guys are giving me up.

01:04:35.760 And other guys say,

01:04:36.540 who am I being loyal to?

01:04:38.120 Because they're not being loyal to themselves.

01:04:40.440 So what do I owe them?

01:04:41.840 They owe me nothing when I left my family.

01:04:44.380 They owed me nothing when I stood in those penitentiaries.

01:04:46.860 And it wouldn't rat on my enemies.

01:04:48.200 I wouldn't rat on anybody.

01:04:49.620 I left everything to be true to that life

01:04:53.020 that I believed in.

01:04:54.100 But one after another,

01:04:55.460 made guy after a made guy,

01:04:57.540 are giving me up

01:04:58.460 and giving information against other made guys.

01:05:00.400 And bosses.

01:05:01.320 I'm not just talking about just underlings or made guys.

01:05:04.320 I'm talking about who's going to deny the fact

01:05:07.300 that these guys are ratting like crazy.

01:05:09.500 Was it public when you retired in 99 or no?

01:05:11.780 Like, did you tell them I'm retired?

01:05:12.920 Because you've said you retired in 99.

01:05:15.800 99.

01:05:16.760 In 99, are you retired?

01:05:19.600 In 99, I got out of jail, 2000.

01:05:22.000 Right.

01:05:22.600 In 2000, I don't know if I said I'd retired

01:05:25.020 or didn't retire.

01:05:25.820 I was still in a mob.

01:05:26.800 You were still in a mob.

01:05:27.780 Yeah.

01:05:28.100 So in 2001,

01:05:29.180 was there a recording you heard

01:05:30.660 with you and your uncle

01:05:31.560 where they said,

01:05:32.280 you know,

01:05:32.540 he's not a made man,

01:05:34.240 he's a skipper,

01:05:34.980 something like that.

01:05:35.840 Is there something with that recording

01:05:37.680 you heard with your uncle or no?

01:05:39.360 There was a recording.

01:05:40.660 You're talking about Stevie Newell's incident.

01:05:42.380 Yes.

01:05:42.660 And there was a meeting

01:05:44.780 with John Gotti Jr.,

01:05:46.920 Stevie Newell.

01:05:48.540 John Gotti Jr.,

01:05:49.460 excuse me,

01:05:49.940 stayed across the street,

01:05:50.820 was sending messages back and forth

01:05:52.120 to Carmen Agnello.

01:05:53.240 Pete Gotti was involved.

01:05:54.420 They're talking about hitting me.

01:05:56.700 I shot Stevie Newell,

01:05:58.240 the guy they're supposed to be protecting,

01:05:59.760 and they asked Stevie Newell,

01:06:00.920 can you kill Johnny A-Lite?

01:06:02.680 It's a joke.

01:06:03.800 You're asking the guy I just shot

01:06:05.480 that you're supposed to be protecting

01:06:06.540 to kill me.

01:06:07.220 Why didn't you kill me?

01:06:08.300 You just said you're going to protect this guy,

01:06:09.800 and I told you,

01:06:10.340 go fuck yourself,

01:06:11.020 and I shot him.

01:06:11.560 How did you hear about that

01:06:12.700 they wanted to put a hand on you?

01:06:13.760 I didn't hear about that.

01:06:14.520 I said that to them

01:06:15.420 because the FBI came to my house

01:06:17.580 and said there was a death threat on you

01:06:19.020 and we have to report it.

01:06:20.380 So instead,

01:06:21.320 they said,

01:06:21.920 are you going to tell them?

01:06:22.880 And this was in about 94.

01:06:25.260 But they said,

01:06:26.200 are you going to tell the guys?

01:06:27.000 I said, yeah, yeah.

01:06:27.920 And I went,

01:06:28.640 and I switched the story to them.

01:06:30.420 And I said,

01:06:30.880 I heard a recording.

01:06:31.980 You guys were going to kill me.

01:06:33.020 So at that same story,

01:06:36.660 I said,

01:06:37.160 well,

01:06:37.660 I just robbed Joel Cain

01:06:39.780 that you're supposed to be protecting,

01:06:41.160 and I stabbed him

01:06:41.880 a second time.

01:06:43.040 He just did nothing.

01:06:44.040 I took Richie Gotti,

01:06:45.440 senior's brother's son-in-law.

01:06:47.280 I beat him to death on the street.

01:06:48.760 He lived because the guy,

01:06:49.920 the skipper from Bonanno family,

01:06:51.600 saved his life.

01:06:52.220 The same guy that's bringing him to me,

01:06:54.380 set him up for me,

01:06:55.160 brought him to the hospital,

01:06:56.020 Ronnie G. Alenzo.

01:06:57.540 They did nothing.

01:06:58.400 I shot my cousin.

01:07:00.280 There was,

01:07:00.760 Gotti said,

01:07:01.380 don't pay the cop for payoff fee.

01:07:03.480 He did nothing.

01:07:04.720 I robbed two bookmakers around them.

01:07:07.120 They did nothing.

01:07:08.240 I beat his uncle up in jail.

01:07:09.860 They did nothing.

01:07:10.780 I beat up Ali Calabrese in prison

01:07:12.460 with other guys.

01:07:13.620 And these,

01:07:14.540 they did nothing.

01:07:15.820 They don't do nothing,

01:07:16.760 but then they went and ratted on me.

01:07:18.760 So you had your chance to kill me

01:07:20.620 over and over again.

01:07:21.560 How many things can I do to you?

01:07:23.120 He says,

01:07:23.800 but when they changed that story,

01:07:25.600 so when Charles came to me

01:07:27.740 and we can go on story after story,

01:07:29.900 and if you're so loyal to Gotti,

01:07:31.900 right,

01:07:32.200 why is he robbing Papa Vera funeral home with me?

01:07:35.300 Charles Kinnick.

01:07:36.420 Why are you robbing it with me?

01:07:37.720 In 2000 and whatever year we did it,

01:07:39.940 one, two, three,

01:07:40.760 something like that.

01:07:41.720 We robbed the funeral home

01:07:43.020 of John Gotti's main guy.

01:07:45.700 He was buried there.

01:07:46.800 He had his funeral there.

01:07:47.960 I didn't give a shit.

01:07:49.200 He was alive.

01:07:49.980 Actually,

01:07:50.240 we robbed it in 94.

01:07:51.380 Excuse me.

01:07:52.120 Gotti just went to jail.

01:07:53.540 So if I'm this guy

01:07:54.400 that don't care about anything,

01:07:55.340 and why is a maid guy

01:07:56.340 running around with me robbing?

01:07:57.740 If he doesn't answer to me,

01:08:00.240 if he doesn't respect me,

01:08:02.180 if they don't think I'm nothing,

01:08:04.040 why are you robbing?

01:08:04.960 Why do you have no respect

01:08:06.080 for the Gottis doing that with me?

01:08:07.920 Why are you helping me,

01:08:08.980 giving me guns

01:08:09.600 to shoot my cousin

01:08:10.540 that's around Ross

01:08:12.160 from the Genovese family,

01:08:13.620 and he's running a bread union with him?

01:08:15.760 Why are you coming

01:08:17.220 and giving me a machine gun

01:08:18.660 and a 9mm

01:08:19.380 to kill John Gotti Jr.,

01:08:20.760 Pete Gotti,

01:08:21.660 and commenting Nello?

01:08:23.060 And if that's not true,

01:08:24.780 get the guys

01:08:25.720 that testified against me.

01:08:26.880 See, one of them is my cousin

01:08:27.740 and knows about it.

01:08:29.440 And well,

01:08:30.180 Kubo,

01:08:30.900 Kubinelli,

01:08:31.600 I put the guns in his safe.

01:08:33.340 He's a tattoo guy in the neighborhood.

01:08:34.520 He's still around.

01:08:35.700 If it ain't true,

01:08:36.380 well, Andrew Di Donato

01:08:37.260 that wrote a book about it

01:08:38.300 and said Nicky Carrazzo

01:08:39.040 told him, yeah,

01:08:40.060 but he didn't mention it.

01:08:40.980 He didn't know it was me

01:08:41.620 that was going to do it.

01:08:42.640 And I wouldn't give the guns back.

01:08:44.020 So why are they so afraid of me

01:08:47.740 if I'm this junkie nobody?

01:08:50.040 Right?

01:08:50.260 So the point is

01:08:51.820 I ran through these guys

01:08:53.580 and they never did anything.

01:08:55.580 And my message is still the same.

01:08:58.000 That's the past.

01:08:59.240 I'm a different guy now.

01:09:00.580 If I wasn't,

01:09:01.700 I would be retaliating against guys

01:09:03.600 when they talk so much

01:09:04.600 the way I used to.

01:09:05.880 Now I send the message.

01:09:07.560 My life has changed.

01:09:09.080 I'm the same guy.

01:09:10.700 I mean, don't get me wrong.

01:09:11.960 If somebody tries to hurt me,

01:09:12.980 I'm going to protect myself.

01:09:14.200 But my message is to kids.

01:09:16.520 Day and night

01:09:17.260 it's going to be the kids

01:09:18.000 to stay away from this life.

01:09:20.140 When did you cooperate?

01:09:21.220 Was it 05 when you cooperated?

01:09:23.320 No, I cooperated

01:09:24.240 when I came back about 07.

01:09:27.000 07 is when you cooperated?

01:09:27.880 It was 07.

01:09:29.700 Yeah, it was 07 towards 08.

01:09:33.020 Article say 2005.

01:09:34.620 No, no.

01:09:35.180 Was it 07?

01:09:35.860 I'm in Brazil penitentiary.

01:09:36.920 Got it cooperated 2004 and 2005.

01:09:39.620 2004 and 2005, yeah.

01:09:40.520 I come back

01:09:41.020 like three or four years later

01:09:43.220 and I sign officially

01:09:44.400 about five years later.

01:09:45.720 What's the story

01:09:46.580 when you went to court

01:09:47.740 to testify,

01:09:48.780 this one of the jury members,

01:09:50.940 Paul Peregine,

01:09:52.880 Peregine,

01:09:53.440 however you want to pronounce,

01:09:54.520 I want to hear your views

01:09:55.320 from this.

01:09:55.800 Almost the entire jury

01:09:56.760 didn't believe

01:09:57.440 the star witness yourself.

01:09:59.200 He wasn't credible at all.

01:10:00.900 What is this all about?

01:10:02.140 It's written about

01:10:02.680 in different places.

01:10:04.280 Well, first of all,

01:10:05.300 this guy,

01:10:05.720 you know,

01:10:06.300 we use terminology

01:10:07.440 as a mob hump.

01:10:09.020 So he's a mob hump.

01:10:10.360 Yeah,

01:10:10.640 why would you go out

01:10:11.400 to dinner with Gotti

01:10:12.080 after the trial?

01:10:13.320 Why'd you go socialize

01:10:14.240 with him for?

01:10:15.140 That's first off.

01:10:16.200 Second,

01:10:16.840 I can't control

01:10:17.740 what other witnesses

01:10:18.600 say on the stand.

01:10:20.820 You know,

01:10:21.060 if somebody says

01:10:21.720 something different

01:10:22.460 that didn't even hang

01:10:23.320 around us,

01:10:24.120 like Peter Sicarra,

01:10:25.940 he's, you know,

01:10:26.440 he's a big mouth.

01:10:27.240 He worked with me.

01:10:28.200 He stayed with me.

01:10:29.500 He was going to set up

01:10:30.500 the murder of Pete Gotti,

01:10:32.700 Junior Gotti,

01:10:33.340 and Carmine Agnello.

01:10:34.760 But his brother was dead.

01:10:36.080 His brother's a tough guy.

01:10:36.940 These guys used to come

01:10:37.780 visit me in prison

01:10:38.560 or whatever.

01:10:39.360 So when he says something

01:10:40.920 on the stand,

01:10:42.740 I can't control

01:10:43.420 what he says.

01:10:44.300 He never came

01:10:45.040 to our clubs.

01:10:46.580 Actually,

01:10:47.080 Johnny King sent me

01:10:47.860 to hurt him too

01:10:48.460 when he first came home.

01:10:50.060 And what's his name?

01:10:51.300 Prevett was there.

01:10:52.100 Dave Prevett owns

01:10:52.880 a junkyard

01:10:53.420 by Shea Stadium,

01:10:54.280 the old Shea Stadium.

01:10:55.440 He was there

01:10:56.060 when I went for him.

01:10:57.280 So when these guys

01:10:58.100 are talking,

01:10:58.660 I can't change it.

01:10:59.280 But here's one of the reasons

01:11:00.160 why this jury

01:11:00.740 didn't believe me.

01:11:02.240 Because there's guys,

01:11:03.520 witness after witness,

01:11:04.620 saying I'm too dangerous

01:11:05.680 on all the trials,

01:11:06.700 get the paperwork,

01:11:07.640 that this guy

01:11:08.200 can't control me.

01:11:09.940 Partially,

01:11:10.460 they are right.

01:11:11.000 He can't control me

01:11:11.800 and everything,

01:11:12.260 but I do work

01:11:12.780 for the Gambino family.

01:11:14.160 So their view is

01:11:15.340 I'm lying

01:11:15.840 because no one's

01:11:16.580 controlling me.

01:11:17.560 Because Joel Kane

01:11:18.500 got on the stand

01:11:19.240 saying one thing.

01:11:21.020 Johnny,

01:11:21.640 another kid,

01:11:22.560 gets on the stand

01:11:23.220 saying,

01:11:23.500 God,

01:11:23.700 he never did anything.

01:11:24.520 He likes crazy.

01:11:25.540 He baseball bat me.

01:11:26.420 Stevie Newell's

01:11:27.120 getting on the stand

01:11:27.780 saying,

01:11:28.040 Johnny A. Light shot me.

01:11:29.280 Ronnie,

01:11:29.720 one of them,

01:11:29.980 I'm saying,

01:11:30.440 I'm scared

01:11:30.900 Johnny A. Light's

01:11:31.680 going to kill me.

01:11:32.400 I'm a captain

01:11:32.920 in the Gambino family.

01:11:33.980 So what is the jury

01:11:34.800 going to say?

01:11:35.880 They say,

01:11:36.200 this guy's a maniac,

01:11:37.220 out of control.

01:11:38.240 Since I came home,

01:11:39.920 the Gotti family,

01:11:41.640 this is a fact,

01:11:43.180 the Gotti family

01:11:43.920 wrote my parole,

01:11:45.120 the whole family,

01:11:46.000 wrote,

01:11:46.240 I don't know

01:11:46.560 how many letters

01:11:47.100 to my parole,

01:11:47.840 wrote to my parole's boss,

01:11:49.060 wrote to my judge,

01:11:51.020 2013,

01:11:52.180 14.

01:11:53.100 Gotti had his writer

01:11:54.180 write them

01:11:54.680 and say,

01:11:55.160 hey, I'm a killer

01:11:55.780 and I'm going to kill

01:11:56.960 somebody in the Gotti family.

01:11:58.200 They need to lock me up.

01:11:59.540 You're going to kill

01:12:00.200 somebody in the Gotti family.

01:12:01.380 And I'm going to kill

01:12:02.240 the brother or somebody

01:12:03.040 in their family.

01:12:03.680 They need to lock me up.

01:12:04.800 I violated my parole.

01:12:05.980 Every gangster

01:12:06.600 around the streets,

01:12:07.900 active and not active,

01:12:08.980 still in touch with me.

01:12:09.980 I'm in the drug business.

01:12:10.980 I'm still in the construction

01:12:11.860 business.

01:12:12.780 And I'm a nobody,

01:12:13.720 but everybody from every crew

01:12:14.880 is getting in touch with me.

01:12:15.940 So what are these letters?

01:12:18.240 And Gotti himself

01:12:19.180 and his lawyers

01:12:20.060 wrote a letter

01:12:20.620 into the judge

01:12:21.380 saying that he feared

01:12:22.780 for his life.

01:12:23.740 And his sister

01:12:24.380 wrote a letter in 1992.

01:12:25.900 He doesn't have the stomach

01:12:26.900 for the mob world.

01:12:29.340 So,

01:12:30.620 but my thing

01:12:31.760 with the Gottis

01:12:32.340 is it's not about the Gottis.

01:12:33.720 It's about the Gambino family.

01:12:35.220 The thing about correlating

01:12:36.660 John Gotti Jr.

01:12:37.860 becoming a rat

01:12:38.600 in 2004, 2005

01:12:40.320 has completely nothing

01:12:42.020 to do with me

01:12:42.660 while I'm in a penitentiary

01:12:43.620 in Brazil.

01:12:44.400 I'm just curious

01:12:45.280 how they keep trying

01:12:46.100 to correlate him ratting

01:12:47.380 and me coming in

01:12:48.500 after the fact

01:12:49.260 for three,

01:12:50.380 four, five years later.

01:12:51.540 The correlation

01:12:52.440 doesn't even make

01:12:53.160 a little sense.

01:12:54.140 Who's behind the website?

01:12:55.400 Who's behind the website?

01:12:56.260 John Gotti Jr.

01:12:57.460 How certain are you of that?

01:12:58.840 A hundred percent.

01:12:59.580 The guy Chris Casparoza

01:13:00.780 said he works

01:13:01.360 for John Gotti Jr.

01:13:02.620 The guy who runs

01:13:03.320 the website?

01:13:03.940 Says he works

01:13:04.480 for John Gotti Jr.

01:13:06.080 This is very similar

01:13:07.200 to what the Scientology

01:13:09.100 Church does.

01:13:10.240 I'm sorry,

01:13:10.680 I don't mean to cut you off.

01:13:11.560 No, it's okay.

01:13:11.960 Go on my Google.

01:13:13.980 Read my Wikipedia.

01:13:15.500 He controls it.

01:13:16.420 He locked it.

01:13:17.000 He changed the writing

01:13:18.520 of what was on Wikipedia.

01:13:20.000 Who did?

01:13:20.940 John Gotti Jr.

01:13:21.920 Chris Casparoza.

01:13:23.160 You can't even rewrite

01:13:24.240 on it if you want.

01:13:25.200 When's the last time

01:13:26.000 you were in contact

01:13:26.740 with John Gotti Jr.?

01:13:28.200 I was in Long Island

01:13:29.640 at a diner

01:13:30.280 when I first came home.

01:13:31.620 Thirteen.

01:13:32.700 Thirteen.

01:13:33.320 I had a meeting

01:13:33.840 there with a couple guys

01:13:34.880 and six police cars came

01:13:36.360 and they informed me

01:13:38.220 that Gotti called up

01:13:39.320 and said that he feared

01:13:40.880 that I was going to kill him

01:13:41.640 that he lives around

01:13:42.500 the corner somewhere.

01:13:43.900 I don't know

01:13:44.220 if that's true or not.

01:13:44.900 Did you see him or no?

01:13:45.560 No, I didn't see him.

01:13:46.840 And then the letters

01:13:47.540 started coming into my parole

01:13:48.880 that I left my area

01:13:50.060 and I've been in different areas

01:13:51.880 in New York

01:13:52.460 and I'm not allowed

01:13:53.260 to leave New Jersey,

01:13:54.240 Philadelphia area.

01:13:55.600 So the thing

01:13:57.540 that is mind-boggling

01:13:59.360 to me is the way

01:14:00.440 he won't let this go.

01:14:02.680 I even gave up

01:14:03.380 social media years ago

01:14:04.900 because I'm not going

01:14:06.180 to play these kid games

01:14:07.060 with him forever.

01:14:07.620 But the answer

01:14:10.720 is still back

01:14:11.300 to the same thing.

01:14:12.340 How are you correlating

01:14:13.440 if you became a rat

01:14:14.660 anything to do with me?

01:14:17.420 Would you like

01:14:18.000 to face off with him?

01:14:19.020 Not fight.

01:14:19.860 Face off and have

01:14:20.480 a conversation with him.

01:14:21.460 Would you want to sit down?

01:14:22.480 I'll sit here tomorrow

01:14:23.320 with you.

01:14:23.880 Get him on the air

01:14:24.540 when we're going

01:14:24.940 to talk about him.

01:14:25.820 We'll start with his father

01:14:26.980 so we don't have

01:14:27.580 to talk about him.

01:14:28.740 We'll talk about his father.

01:14:29.800 I want to know

01:14:30.440 when did he ever use a gun.

01:14:32.140 I want to know

01:14:32.900 when a gun was in his hand

01:14:34.120 besides that fantasy story

01:14:35.840 he told in his book

01:14:36.660 that his father left

01:14:37.920 Greenhaven

01:14:38.600 in one of the prisons

01:14:39.480 and there's two marshal's

01:14:40.980 with him.

01:14:41.300 They went to a dentist's office.

01:14:42.640 He went out the back door.

01:14:44.060 So he had about 30 people

01:14:45.400 that were witnesses

01:14:46.040 that he was brought

01:14:46.760 to a dentist's office

01:14:47.300 and went out the door

01:14:47.760 and he did a murder.

01:14:49.020 That's the best he could

01:14:49.900 come to a murder

01:14:50.520 for his father.

01:14:52.820 The kid's got to know.

01:14:55.080 The kid's got to know.

01:14:55.760 Was his father

01:14:56.460 now let me straighten

01:14:57.300 something out.

01:14:57.780 Was his father a gangster?

01:14:59.000 100%.

01:14:59.760 Was he from the street?

01:15:01.660 100%.

01:15:02.540 Did he have a lot

01:15:04.140 of guys killed?

01:15:04.860 100%.

01:15:05.680 Was he a big earner?

01:15:07.640 No.

01:15:08.360 Was he a degenerate gambler?

01:15:09.720 Yes.

01:15:10.640 Was he a tough guy?

01:15:12.080 Yeah he was a street guy.

01:15:13.420 Was he a killer

01:15:14.200 with his own hand?

01:15:15.180 No.

01:15:16.180 Did he have killers

01:15:17.100 around him?

01:15:17.700 Yes.

01:15:18.200 He had a ton

01:15:18.660 of killers around him.

01:15:19.820 Bobby Boriello

01:15:20.580 was one of them.

01:15:21.240 Johnny Cornelia

01:15:21.820 was one of them.

01:15:23.020 Eddie Lino

01:15:23.600 was one of them.

01:15:24.340 Joe Watts

01:15:24.920 was a big one.

01:15:26.160 Sammy?

01:15:26.940 Sammy without a doubt.

01:15:28.320 Who was the most feared

01:15:29.640 out of all of those guys?

01:15:31.720 Sammy and Joe Watts

01:15:32.740 without a doubt.

01:15:33.340 Without a doubt.

01:15:34.720 Without a doubt.

01:15:35.260 Johnny was tough

01:15:36.360 for him too

01:15:36.820 but without a doubt.

01:15:38.080 At the peak

01:15:38.580 when you were on Sammy

01:15:39.500 what was the different

01:15:40.380 energy you felt

01:15:41.220 from Sammy

01:15:41.780 than you felt

01:15:42.340 about the senior?

01:15:43.940 Senior,

01:15:44.480 even as a kid

01:15:45.220 senior wanted

01:15:45.760 to intimidate you.

01:15:47.440 Right?

01:15:48.300 So I grew up

01:15:49.540 in the street.

01:15:50.200 He wanted to fear

01:15:50.880 you know

01:15:51.160 and as a kid

01:15:52.260 I was intimidated

01:15:52.940 him.

01:15:53.220 I would be a liar

01:15:53.720 to say I was.

01:15:54.220 Sure.

01:15:54.900 You know

01:15:55.220 I was intimidated

01:15:56.180 him.

01:15:56.460 I was impressed

01:15:56.980 by him.

01:15:57.900 But then as you're

01:15:58.720 growing

01:15:59.040 and you understand

01:16:00.180 the world

01:16:00.640 it's like going

01:16:01.160 to kindergarten

01:16:01.720 you work your way

01:16:02.480 up to college.

01:16:03.560 When I looked

01:16:04.040 at Sammy

01:16:04.560 you've seen

01:16:05.320 complete confidence.

01:16:07.740 He walked

01:16:08.340 with confidence.

01:16:09.120 He didn't try

01:16:09.500 to stay you down.

01:16:10.360 He said hello.

01:16:11.040 He didn't try

01:16:11.380 to intimidate you.

01:16:12.300 Hey kid.

01:16:12.940 And even to today

01:16:13.760 if you ask him

01:16:14.380 when he met me

01:16:14.880 he doesn't know

01:16:15.480 and of course

01:16:16.000 he doesn't know

01:16:16.540 because I was a kid.

01:16:17.540 He met me

01:16:18.000 at the clubs

01:16:18.520 he said.

01:16:19.420 He said hello

01:16:19.940 but he doesn't

01:16:20.620 specifically remember

01:16:21.660 the conversation

01:16:22.260 because I'm a nobody.

01:16:23.300 I'm a kid

01:16:23.680 growing up

01:16:24.260 and he's

01:16:25.180 you know

01:16:26.280 he's an underboss.

01:16:27.860 So why

01:16:28.460 would he pay

01:16:28.880 attention

01:16:29.180 to guys

01:16:29.860 that say

01:16:30.180 they know me

01:16:30.800 and I don't

01:16:31.180 remember them

01:16:31.740 because I'm

01:16:32.540 in a different

01:16:32.960 level.

01:16:33.560 You're not going

01:16:33.880 to remember

01:16:34.220 these guys

01:16:34.940 but he was

01:16:36.000 always a gentleman

01:16:36.680 and as time

01:16:38.300 went on

01:16:38.720 yes he's seen

01:16:39.780 me more

01:16:40.180 and he said

01:16:40.500 hello more

01:16:41.020 but if you ask

01:16:41.880 him specifically

01:16:42.500 what do we talk

01:16:43.080 about he won't

01:16:43.520 remember

01:16:43.740 but I remember

01:16:44.300 because to me

01:16:45.400 it was a big deal

01:16:46.080 just like it was

01:16:46.640 a big deal

01:16:47.120 talking to Gotti

01:16:47.880 Senior.

01:16:48.680 But then you

01:16:49.200 learn and you

01:16:50.100 decipher

01:16:50.640 hey is this guy

01:16:52.060 a good leader?

01:16:52.800 When you start

01:16:53.220 watching people

01:16:53.960 that are good

01:16:54.380 leaders through

01:16:55.420 history whether

01:16:56.420 it's in law

01:16:57.020 enforcement like

01:16:58.120 we talk about

01:16:58.740 Rudy Giuliani

01:16:59.480 right highly

01:17:00.600 intelligent guy

01:17:01.520 good leader

01:17:02.520 he decimated

01:17:04.780 the mafia

01:17:05.900 but he made

01:17:06.980 a statement

01:17:07.480 I did an

01:17:08.200 interview down

01:17:08.860 in Albania

01:17:09.480 about the

01:17:10.300 five families

01:17:10.920 and the

01:17:12.300 interviewist

01:17:12.940 very famous

01:17:14.280 guy down

01:17:14.780 there in

01:17:15.080 the Balkans

01:17:15.620 Blendy

01:17:16.280 said that

01:17:17.420 Gotti Senior

01:17:17.940 had a gun

01:17:18.420 on him

01:17:18.720 and I left

01:17:19.440 I says

01:17:20.040 you're wrong

01:17:20.500 and he says

01:17:21.640 well that's

01:17:22.400 what Rudy Giuliani

01:17:23.240 I said

01:17:23.680 all due respect

01:17:24.740 to Rudy Giuliani

01:17:25.940 and I have

01:17:26.420 a lot of

01:17:26.780 respect for him

01:17:27.400 is he wasn't

01:17:29.180 in the car

01:17:29.620 but Sammy

01:17:30.160 Gravano was

01:17:30.880 and there was

01:17:32.140 no gun

01:17:32.600 in Gotti's

01:17:33.120 lap

01:17:33.380 or hand

01:17:33.800 or jacket

01:17:34.740 he had no

01:17:35.440 intention

01:17:35.800 to getting

01:17:36.180 out of that

01:17:36.580 car

01:17:36.840 no matter

01:17:37.260 what

01:17:37.560 he was just

01:17:38.080 going to

01:17:38.280 send Sammy

01:17:38.740 out

01:17:38.960 Sammy

01:17:39.300 had the gun

01:17:39.760 so it

01:17:40.860 depends on

01:17:41.340 where this

01:17:41.660 information

01:17:42.060 is coming

01:17:42.420 from

01:17:42.720 Phil Barone

01:17:43.720 right

01:17:44.480 and I'm

01:17:44.940 going to

01:17:45.340 slide back

01:17:45.960 for a second

01:17:46.520 was one of

01:17:47.280 the guys

01:17:47.640 who was an

01:17:48.000 ex-detective

01:17:48.700 that testified

01:17:49.940 in Gotti's

01:17:51.340 trials

01:17:51.640 and he

01:17:52.320 and this

01:17:53.760 is the reason

01:17:54.200 maybe I had

01:17:54.660 problem with

01:17:55.060 some of

01:17:55.240 these juries

01:17:55.640 and he said

01:17:56.220 he didn't

01:17:56.600 know

01:17:56.960 when we

01:17:57.800 were going

01:17:58.140 to kill

01:17:58.580 Georgie

01:17:59.220 Grasso

01:17:59.680 this is

01:18:00.660 the detective

01:18:01.320 that lived

01:18:02.380 up the block

01:18:02.900 from me

01:18:03.260 this is

01:18:03.960 the detective

01:18:04.540 that when

01:18:05.820 I moved

01:18:06.160 to Cherry Hill

01:18:06.720 New Jersey

01:18:07.160 two hours

01:18:07.680 away

01:18:08.000 he moved

01:18:08.520 next door

01:18:08.980 to me

01:18:09.200 this is

01:18:09.880 the detective

01:18:10.400 that went

01:18:10.760 to Mexico

01:18:11.260 with me

01:18:11.760 he's my

01:18:12.220 bookmaking

01:18:12.700 partner

01:18:13.040 with me

01:18:13.400 he's selling

01:18:14.140 drugs

01:18:14.480 with me

01:18:14.740 he's doing

01:18:15.120 armed robberies

01:18:15.880 with me

01:18:16.280 but he

01:18:18.240 didn't know

01:18:18.620 I was going

01:18:18.960 to shoot

01:18:19.180 this guy

01:18:19.540 in the head

01:18:19.920 who the fuck

01:18:21.060 is going

01:18:21.240 to believe

01:18:21.600 that

01:18:21.860 who's stupid

01:18:22.460 enough

01:18:22.700 to believe

01:18:23.080 that

01:18:23.360 so if a jury

01:18:24.640 thinks

01:18:25.040 because he's

01:18:25.860 saying

01:18:26.140 he didn't

01:18:26.780 know

01:18:27.060 and Peter

01:18:28.480 Sicarra

01:18:29.020 the other

01:18:29.420 guy

01:18:29.640 is saying

01:18:30.020 he met

01:18:31.080 me in

01:18:31.520 McDonald's

01:18:32.880 somewhere

01:18:33.160 and I said

01:18:33.540 I don't even

01:18:33.800 know where

01:18:34.080 there's a

01:18:34.280 McDonald's

01:18:34.800 we met

01:18:35.260 in Burger King

01:18:35.840 for a different

01:18:36.440 occasion

01:18:36.880 whatever

01:18:37.580 stories

01:18:38.080 these guys

01:18:38.600 are telling

01:18:38.960 the only

01:18:39.340 difference

01:18:39.720 between

01:18:39.920 my stories

01:18:40.560 and them

01:18:40.960 and his

01:18:41.800 minds

01:18:42.080 are truth

01:18:42.620 and I

01:18:43.020 don't say

01:18:43.700 I didn't

01:18:44.600 kill

01:18:44.840 these guys

01:18:45.240 I don't

01:18:45.560 say

01:18:45.800 I didn't

01:18:46.040 shoot

01:18:46.280 these guys

01:18:46.680 I don't

01:18:46.940 say

01:18:47.100 I ain't

01:18:47.320 involved

01:18:47.700 in baseball

01:18:48.140 batting

01:18:48.460 these guys

01:18:48.860 but when

01:18:49.680 these guys

01:18:50.160 want to

01:18:50.480 insult

01:18:50.720 somebody

01:18:51.120 and say

01:18:51.440 you're only

01:18:51.800 on vacation

01:18:52.440 with me

01:18:52.860 Phil Barone

01:18:53.720 couldn't get

01:18:54.160 further up

01:18:54.620 my ass

01:18:55.140 you're a

01:18:56.140 detective

01:18:56.640 that ran

01:18:57.560 around with

01:18:57.920 that badge

01:18:58.440 with me

01:18:58.800 and we did

01:18:59.240 everything

01:18:59.600 together

01:19:00.080 for 20

01:19:00.680 something

01:19:00.960 years

01:19:01.400 you were

01:19:02.240 giving us

01:19:02.600 information

01:19:03.240 when Jeannie

01:19:04.880 Gotti and

01:19:05.340 Johnny

01:19:05.520 Knig had

01:19:06.000 a problem

01:19:06.520 you were

01:19:07.460 giving

01:19:07.580 information

01:19:08.260 that

01:19:09.120 John Gotti

01:19:10.800 Sr.

01:19:11.100 and Sammy

01:19:11.680 were going

01:19:11.980 to get

01:19:12.180 pinched

01:19:12.500 when they

01:19:12.700 got

01:19:12.860 pinched

01:19:13.180 in 90

01:19:13.560 where

01:19:14.540 was that

01:19:14.800 information

01:19:15.240 come from

01:19:15.840 it was

01:19:16.220 coming from

01:19:16.580 Phil Barone

01:19:17.100 where did

01:19:17.500 he get

01:19:17.820 it from

01:19:18.140 so when

01:19:19.420 these guys

01:19:19.840 are talking

01:19:20.360 with Morgan

01:19:20.820 Thau's

01:19:21.240 driver

01:19:21.780 the district

01:19:22.980 attorney's

01:19:23.560 driver

01:19:23.900 Jimmy

01:19:24.260 I'm in

01:19:25.240 his house

01:19:25.720 why am I

01:19:26.620 able to

01:19:27.000 describe your

01:19:27.520 whole house

01:19:27.900 if you're

01:19:28.160 not involved

01:19:28.620 with me

01:19:28.960 what the

01:19:29.520 fuck was

01:19:29.840 I doing

01:19:30.140 in your

01:19:30.380 house

01:19:30.700 did his

01:19:32.720 lawyers do

01:19:33.220 a good

01:19:33.500 job

01:19:33.820 yeah his

01:19:34.620 lawyers did

01:19:35.000 a good

01:19:35.180 job

01:19:35.440 he had

01:19:36.240 a lawyer

01:19:36.580 John

01:19:37.060 Mariglio

01:19:38.020 who was

01:19:38.280 a fantastic

01:19:39.080 attorney

01:19:39.580 every time

01:19:40.060 he walked

01:19:40.460 in

01:19:40.680 I said

01:19:41.540 oh this

01:19:41.820 guy again

01:19:42.300 not because

01:19:43.720 you're lying

01:19:44.720 because you

01:19:45.140 know they're

01:19:45.500 going to

01:19:45.660 pick your

01:19:45.940 part

01:19:46.140 they're

01:19:46.340 intelligent

01:19:46.820 so when

01:19:47.420 you're

01:19:47.540 understanding

01:19:47.980 we can't

01:19:48.480 have these

01:19:48.840 conversations

01:19:49.520 of course

01:19:50.700 they're going

01:19:50.980 to pick

01:19:51.220 you apart

01:19:51.540 they're going

01:19:52.600 and they're

01:19:52.900 getting

01:19:53.060 paperwork

01:19:53.540 and I'll

01:19:54.300 give you

01:19:54.480 an example

01:19:55.000 I had

01:19:56.620 tons of

01:19:57.140 paperwork

01:19:57.460 from Brazil

01:19:58.020 extradition

01:19:58.700 and I was

01:19:59.360 fighting

01:19:59.760 my case

01:20:00.720 Marco

01:20:01.780 this guy

01:20:02.780 I sent

01:20:03.700 him 750,000

01:20:04.860 he stole

01:20:05.280 it

01:20:05.500 he denied

01:20:06.600 it

01:20:06.780 a buddy

01:20:07.540 of mine

01:20:07.840 put all

01:20:08.180 the documents

01:20:08.720 with the

01:20:09.020 money

01:20:09.180 transfers

01:20:09.560 to Brazil

01:20:10.200 and he

01:20:10.800 showed

01:20:10.960 he stole

01:20:11.300 the money

01:20:11.700 Gotti

01:20:12.120 was friends

01:20:12.560 with him

01:20:13.260 Gotti

01:20:13.700 had him

01:20:13.940 do a

01:20:14.200 video

01:20:14.480 but Gotti

01:20:15.800 doesn't

01:20:16.040 tell everybody

01:20:16.640 this guy

01:20:17.260 when I was

01:20:17.720 locked up

01:20:18.280 facing life

01:20:18.960 in the death

01:20:19.380 sentence

01:20:19.720 took all

01:20:20.440 my paperwork

01:20:21.020 and sent

01:20:21.480 it back

01:20:21.760 to the United

01:20:22.080 States

01:20:22.380 government

01:20:22.860 to give

01:20:23.580 me a life

01:20:23.940 sentence

01:20:24.300 on Gotti's

01:20:25.160 behalf

01:20:25.520 so when

01:20:26.760 I'm on the

01:20:28.680 stand

01:20:29.000 they said

01:20:29.860 they got

01:20:30.180 all my

01:20:30.460 papers

01:20:30.840 did you

01:20:32.060 say this

01:20:32.660 yes

01:20:33.200 is this

01:20:34.080 part true

01:20:34.740 no

01:20:35.100 is that

01:20:35.480 part true

01:20:35.940 no

01:20:36.240 is that

01:20:36.860 part true

01:20:37.200 no I'm

01:20:37.540 lying

01:20:37.780 because back

01:20:39.000 then I

01:20:39.300 wasn't

01:20:39.580 cooperating

01:20:40.160 so I

01:20:40.900 said that's

01:20:41.220 when I

01:20:41.400 was a

01:20:41.640 gangster

01:20:42.020 this album

01:20:42.580 was going

01:20:42.800 to beat

01:20:43.020 my cases

01:20:43.540 yeah I

01:20:43.940 did order

01:20:44.320 a murder

01:20:44.920 from Brazil

01:20:45.700 where you're

01:20:46.420 going to kill

01:20:46.760 this guy

01:20:47.100 from Brazil

01:20:47.500 it's all

01:20:47.860 in the

01:20:48.040 sleep

01:20:48.260 but I'm

01:20:49.100 trying to

01:20:49.560 say yeah

01:20:50.780 you could

01:20:51.320 take that

01:20:51.700 paperwork

01:20:52.080 some of

01:20:52.440 it's real

01:20:52.700 some of

01:20:52.940 it's fake

01:20:53.240 I'm trying

01:20:53.600 to save

01:20:53.880 my life

01:20:54.360 now I'm

01:20:55.280 on the

01:20:55.560 stand

01:20:55.860 testifying

01:20:56.860 against a

01:20:57.840 guy who I

01:20:58.320 called

01:20:58.660 Whitey Bulger

01:20:59.360 you gave

01:21:00.120 me up

01:21:00.600 would you

01:21:01.760 think was I

01:21:02.280 a fool

01:21:02.660 I was

01:21:02.980 going to

01:21:03.140 say I'm

01:21:03.440 going to

01:21:03.560 go to

01:21:03.740 jail

01:21:03.920 and do

01:21:04.140 10 life

01:21:04.560 sentences

01:21:04.920 for a

01:21:05.320 guy that

01:21:06.240 had my

01:21:06.880 best friend

01:21:07.460 from college

01:21:08.100 Timmy Donovan

01:21:08.820 testify against

01:21:10.080 me because

01:21:10.460 you said

01:21:10.840 to so he

01:21:11.840 did and he

01:21:12.660 testified for

01:21:13.340 you when

01:21:14.600 you have

01:21:14.920 the Acardi

01:21:15.380 brothers the

01:21:16.020 famous

01:21:16.540 Traficani

01:21:17.100 family John

01:21:17.920 and Jason

01:21:18.320 and the

01:21:18.640 father

01:21:18.900 testified

01:21:19.400 against me

01:21:20.120 because God

01:21:20.980 he said

01:21:21.240 they could

01:21:21.620 or you

01:21:22.620 have Robert

01:21:23.120 Lamidola

01:21:23.740 testify against

01:21:24.740 me because

01:21:25.220 God he said

01:21:25.780 he could

01:21:26.100 or Joe

01:21:27.160 Cain give

01:21:27.660 fake information

01:21:28.560 on the stand

01:21:29.120 because he

01:21:29.440 said so

01:21:29.820 or Johnny

01:21:30.420 the car thief

01:21:31.420 that I

01:21:31.680 baseball batted

01:21:32.380 because

01:21:32.540 God he said

01:21:34.040 so I

01:21:34.980 could go

01:21:35.280 through some

01:21:35.720 more names

01:21:36.220 that he

01:21:36.800 told everybody

01:21:37.420 to testify

01:21:37.860 against me

01:21:38.480 they couldn't

01:21:39.320 kill me

01:21:39.780 so this was

01:21:40.300 the way

01:21:40.500 they were

01:21:40.640 going to

01:21:40.840 kill me

01:21:41.100 he was

01:21:41.260 right on

01:21:41.620 me

01:21:41.800 so when

01:21:42.280 I came

01:21:42.640 back

01:21:43.020 and I

01:21:43.900 got all

01:21:44.200 the paperwork

01:21:44.680 and I

01:21:45.100 found out

01:21:45.580 everybody's

01:21:46.120 testifying

01:21:46.620 against

01:21:46.920 and giving

01:21:47.220 me up

01:21:47.680 then yes

01:21:48.900 I did

01:21:49.240 come in

01:21:49.620 and I

01:21:50.020 never hid

01:21:50.440 the fact

01:21:50.800 I'm not

01:21:51.140 like everybody

01:21:51.600 else

01:21:52.000 I said

01:21:52.940 they betrayed

01:21:53.760 me I

01:21:54.180 didn't betray

01:21:54.600 anybody

01:21:55.060 so when I

01:21:56.300 came in

01:21:56.800 it was years

01:21:57.400 after John

01:21:58.040 was in

01:21:58.360 it was years

01:21:58.880 after Mikey

01:21:59.440 Scars was in

01:22:00.200 it was years

01:22:01.000 in Captain

01:22:02.080 it was years

01:22:02.920 in Fat Dom

01:22:04.020 was giving

01:22:05.040 people up

01:22:05.880 it was a made

01:22:06.280 guy

01:22:06.460 these are all

01:22:06.920 Gotti's guys

01:22:07.520 they're all

01:22:08.760 talking I'm not

01:22:09.400 talking I left

01:22:10.360 my family

01:22:11.060 I left my money

01:22:12.880 I went penniless

01:22:13.880 I lived in Cuba

01:22:14.780 I lived in

01:22:15.340 Colombia

01:22:15.740 I lived in

01:22:16.320 Africa

01:22:16.720 not to rat

01:22:18.440 so when these

01:22:19.380 guys switching

01:22:20.000 this dates

01:22:20.940 can't lie

01:22:21.600 paperwork

01:22:22.280 can't lie

01:22:22.960 the only difference

01:22:24.180 is I've always

01:22:24.700 been a man

01:22:25.140 I stand on my

01:22:25.800 two feet

01:22:26.360 so when I

01:22:27.240 came in

01:22:27.640 I come in

01:22:28.180 and I don't

01:22:28.580 hide the fact

01:22:29.180 he's betrayed

01:22:29.740 me I owe

01:22:30.160 you nothing

01:22:30.620 it's interesting

01:22:35.600 listening to

01:22:36.140 these stories

01:22:36.680 you know for

01:22:37.220 me

01:22:37.540 I've interviewed

01:22:39.840 a few CIA

01:22:40.640 agents

01:22:41.100 one of the

01:22:41.520 one we

01:22:41.800 interviewed

01:22:42.120 she was

01:22:42.640 the chief

01:22:43.120 disguised

01:22:43.600 officer

01:22:44.120 of the

01:22:44.420 US

01:22:44.620 government

01:22:45.000 so she

01:22:45.600 would disguise

01:22:46.120 faces

01:22:46.660 and she

01:22:47.540 went to

01:22:47.780 Bush

01:22:47.940 one time

01:22:48.400 she disguised

01:22:48.980 the face

01:22:49.420 Bush

01:22:49.820 couldn't

01:22:50.040 recognize

01:22:50.420 and she

01:22:50.920 took the

01:22:51.220 mask off

01:22:51.700 saying how

01:22:52.000 great of a

01:22:52.440 disguise

01:22:52.740 this was

01:22:53.220 she married

01:22:54.640 another CIA

01:22:55.860 agent

01:22:56.340 because they

01:22:57.080 met each

01:22:57.420 other in

01:22:57.640 the business

01:22:58.140 I said

01:22:59.260 let me ask

01:22:59.620 you a question

01:23:00.080 how do you

01:23:02.340 how do you

01:23:02.960 believe each

01:23:03.460 other

01:23:03.760 she says

01:23:04.980 it's a very

01:23:05.680 good question

01:23:06.200 I said

01:23:06.480 because both

01:23:07.460 of you are

01:23:07.920 trained to

01:23:09.000 lie for

01:23:09.620 good reason

01:23:10.260 right

01:23:11.080 because you

01:23:11.700 lie to

01:23:13.040 protect your

01:23:13.620 country

01:23:13.940 so if you

01:23:14.400 sit down

01:23:14.780 with a

01:23:15.060 Russian

01:23:15.300 operative

01:23:15.920 you're not

01:23:16.740 going to

01:23:16.960 tell every

01:23:17.340 story

01:23:17.640 you're going

01:23:17.900 to lie

01:23:18.140 as much

01:23:18.460 as you

01:23:18.680 can

01:23:18.900 right

01:23:19.220 so

01:23:20.640 how does

01:23:21.640 one

01:23:22.100 when

01:23:22.440 sitting

01:23:23.140 and you

01:23:23.480 hear

01:23:23.680 all

01:23:23.860 these

01:23:24.060 stories

01:23:24.660 somebody

01:23:28.000 who's

01:23:28.320 not in

01:23:28.620 the world

01:23:29.000 you're

01:23:29.280 just

01:23:29.420 listening

01:23:29.720 to the

01:23:30.000 stories

01:23:30.380 you hear

01:23:32.240 so many

01:23:32.720 different

01:23:33.000 sides

01:23:33.320 and everybody

01:23:33.740 sounds

01:23:34.080 convincing

01:23:34.520 well you

01:23:35.640 have to

01:23:36.020 take

01:23:36.360 like I

01:23:37.020 just

01:23:37.200 said

01:23:37.420 you have

01:23:37.760 to take

01:23:38.060 Ronnie

01:23:38.360 one

01:23:38.580 on his

01:23:38.840 opening

01:23:39.080 statement

01:23:39.500 why did

01:23:40.420 he say

01:23:40.700 that

01:23:40.940 why did

01:23:41.660 he

01:23:41.740 say

01:23:41.900 he fears

01:23:42.300 I'm

01:23:42.460 going to

01:23:42.600 kill

01:23:42.760 him

01:23:42.840 you're

01:23:42.980 a

01:23:43.100 captain

01:23:43.400 why would

01:23:44.820 the guy

01:23:45.200 I shoot

01:23:45.780 say he's

01:23:46.540 seen

01:23:46.840 guys from

01:23:47.800 the Gambino

01:23:48.320 family

01:23:48.620 skip

01:23:48.920 his answer

01:23:49.360 to me

01:23:49.660 why would

01:23:50.460 you have

01:23:50.800 the underboss

01:23:51.720 of the Gambino

01:23:52.400 family

01:23:52.820 say

01:23:53.200 he was

01:23:54.360 our hit

01:23:54.740 man

01:23:54.960 for the Gambino

01:23:55.640 family

01:23:55.980 specifically

01:23:56.480 for the

01:23:56.960 Gottis

01:23:57.280 he was

01:23:57.600 their

01:23:57.740 strong

01:23:58.000 why would

01:23:58.920 you have

01:23:59.400 Mikey

01:23:59.800 Skipper

01:24:01.040 John Gotti

01:24:02.180 Jr.'s

01:24:02.540 best friend

01:24:02.940 right hand

01:24:03.340 man

01:24:03.600 say I'm

01:24:04.580 there

01:24:04.940 during

01:24:05.760 these

01:24:05.960 conversations

01:24:06.560 why would

01:24:07.600 I be

01:24:07.940 in

01:24:08.140 Gotti's

01:24:08.620 wedding

01:24:08.920 why am

01:24:09.780 I

01:24:09.920 on a

01:24:10.200 list

01:24:10.400 giving

01:24:10.640 him

01:24:10.800 5,000

01:24:11.420 at

01:24:11.620 the

01:24:11.740 Helmsley

01:24:12.020 Palace

01:24:12.340 there's

01:24:12.620 only

01:24:12.800 a

01:24:12.940 handful

01:24:13.240 of

01:24:13.400 gangsters

01:24:13.820 around

01:24:14.100 the

01:24:14.280 world

01:24:14.480 there

01:24:14.760 why

01:24:15.680 am

01:24:15.840 I

01:24:15.960 in

01:24:16.020 his

01:24:16.140 sister's

01:24:16.580 wedding

01:24:16.780 I mean

01:24:17.000 this is

01:24:17.300 very

01:24:17.520 simple

01:24:17.880 it's

01:24:18.440 not

01:24:18.640 my

01:24:18.860 word

01:24:19.180 why

01:24:19.940 am

01:24:20.080 I

01:24:20.260 saying

01:24:20.700 he's

01:24:20.960 a

01:24:21.080 rat

01:24:21.240 I

01:24:21.380 have

01:24:21.560 the

01:24:21.700 paperwork

01:24:22.140 I

01:24:23.340 come

01:24:23.640 in

01:24:23.800 years

01:24:24.100 later

01:24:24.420 after

01:24:24.700 they

01:24:24.880 already

01:24:25.120 fucked

01:24:25.440 me

01:24:25.660 so

01:24:26.360 this

01:24:26.620 is

01:24:26.800 not

01:24:27.040 this

01:24:27.380 is

01:24:27.520 step

01:24:27.820 it's

01:24:28.020 not

01:24:28.160 my

01:24:28.380 word

01:24:29.180 this

01:24:29.680 is

01:24:29.820 step

01:24:30.080 by

01:24:30.280 step

01:24:30.600 when

01:24:31.060 I

01:24:31.200 was

01:24:31.360 on

01:24:31.520 the

01:24:31.660 stand

01:24:31.920 I

01:24:32.160 couldn't

01:24:32.360 show

01:24:42.340 to

01:24:42.780 one

01:24:43.020 that

01:24:43.180 this

01:24:43.360 detectives

01:24:43.980 selling

01:24:44.640 drugs

01:24:44.980 with

01:24:45.180 me

01:24:45.380 robbing

01:24:46.160 with

01:24:46.380 me

01:24:46.600 book

01:24:47.060 making

01:24:47.360 with

01:24:47.580 me

01:24:47.760 moves

01:24:48.340 next

01:24:48.640 door

01:24:48.840 to

01:24:48.940 me

01:24:49.020 in

01:24:49.140 Cherry

01:24:49.360 Hill

01:24:49.560 all

01:24:50.300 the

01:24:50.520 real

01:24:50.740 estate

01:24:50.980 in

01:24:51.080 the

01:24:51.180 world

01:24:51.360 you

01:24:51.520 came

01:24:51.720 to

01:24:51.860 Cherry

01:24:52.100 Hill

01:24:52.280 to

01:24:52.420 sit

01:24:52.580 next

01:24:52.780 to

01:24:52.900 me

01:24:53.060 what

01:24:53.680 are

01:24:53.760 you

01:24:53.840 doing

01:24:54.020 at

01:24:54.140 my

01:24:54.280 house

01:24:54.520 every

01:24:54.760 day

01:24:55.000 how

01:24:55.400 many

01:24:55.560 pictures

01:24:55.820 you

01:24:56.000 want

01:24:56.160 because

01:24:56.300 after

01:24:56.520 this

01:24:56.760 week

01:24:56.920 I

01:24:57.060 could

01:24:57.180 give

01:24:57.320 you

01:24:57.400 pictures

01:24:57.760 what

01:24:59.340 is

01:24:59.520 Carmine

01:25:00.040 Nello

01:25:00.480 never

01:25:01.520 shot

01:25:01.820 a gun

01:25:02.020 in his

01:25:12.340 asking

01:25:12.660 anybody

01:25:12.940 to

01:25:13.120 believe

01:25:13.360 what

01:25:13.520 I'm

01:25:13.660 saying

01:25:14.000 just

01:25:14.460 look

01:25:14.640 at

01:25:14.740 the

01:25:14.880 facts

01:25:15.200 why

01:25:15.480 are

01:25:15.580 these

01:25:15.720 guys

01:25:15.960 talking

01:25:16.500 like

01:25:16.700 this

01:25:16.960 who

01:25:17.740 do

01:25:17.820 you

01:25:17.920 trust

01:25:18.200 today

01:25:18.480 are you

01:25:19.520 easy

01:25:19.900 to

01:25:20.100 trust

01:25:20.360 people

01:25:20.600 today

01:25:20.860 or

01:25:21.000 after

01:25:21.180 a

01:25:21.320 life

01:25:21.480 like

01:25:21.660 this

01:25:21.780 I

01:25:42.340 friends

01:25:42.740 is

01:25:42.900 friends

01:25:43.260 of

01:25:43.420 mine

01:25:43.640 that

01:25:43.760 I

01:25:43.860 grew

01:25:44.000 up

01:25:44.120 since

01:25:44.300 were

01:25:44.440 kids

01:25:44.720 that

01:25:44.860 are

01:25:44.940 attorneys

01:25:45.380 court

01:25:45.800 stenographers

01:25:46.340 with

01:25:46.720 five

01:25:47.000 years

01:25:47.200 old

01:25:47.380 and

01:25:47.480 my

01:25:47.600 friend

01:25:47.800 my

01:25:47.980 friend

01:25:48.180 Michael

01:25:48.480 Jacobs

01:25:48.860 I

01:25:49.040 know

01:25:49.180 him

01:25:49.300 since

01:25:49.480 he's

01:25:49.620 five

01:25:49.860 years

01:25:50.020 old

01:25:50.200 these

01:25:50.920 guys

01:25:51.200 have

01:25:51.400 no

01:25:51.620 agendas

01:25:52.060 but

01:25:52.380 friendship

01:25:53.080 they're

01:25:53.880 not

01:25:54.100 weasels

01:25:54.520 with

01:25:54.740 money

01:25:55.040 they're

01:25:55.740 not

01:25:55.960 calling

01:25:56.360 somebody

01:25:56.720 trying to

01:25:57.120 set

01:25:57.280 me up

01:25:57.580 from

01:25:57.740 behind

01:25:58.020 my

01:25:58.180 back

01:25:58.480 they're

01:25:58.900 not

01:25:59.080 guys

01:25:59.440 that

01:25:59.640 are

01:25:59.820 dying

01:26:00.180 to

01:26:00.320 make

01:26:00.480 their

01:26:00.640 name

01:26:00.880 themselves

01:26:01.320 off

01:26:01.600 me

01:26:01.780 and

01:26:02.280 you

01:26:02.400 got

01:26:02.560 guys

01:26:02.980 that

01:26:03.220 I'll

01:26:03.420 call

01:26:03.680 up

01:26:03.960 and

01:26:04.100 I'll

01:26:04.260 give

01:26:04.360 you

01:26:04.440 an

01:26:04.560 example

01:26:04.980 a

01:26:05.880 guy

01:26:06.060 calls

01:26:06.400 me

01:26:06.560 out

01:26:06.680 of

01:26:06.760 nowhere

01:26:07.020 fake

01:26:07.380 number

01:26:07.720 and

01:26:08.080 he

01:26:08.220 tells

01:26:08.420 me

01:26:08.540 he's

01:26:08.660 part

01:26:08.880 of

01:26:08.980 a

01:26:09.100 crew

01:26:09.340 Albanians

01:26:11.420 I

01:26:11.680 don't

01:26:11.800 talk

01:26:12.060 against

01:26:12.360 Albanians

01:26:12.860 I

01:26:13.020 try

01:26:13.200 not

01:26:13.380 to

01:26:13.560 kill

01:26:13.760 Albanians

01:26:14.160 or

01:26:14.280 hurt

01:26:14.420 Albanians

01:26:14.740 in

01:26:14.840 my

01:26:14.980 life

01:26:15.300 and

01:26:16.580 he

01:26:16.860 claims

01:26:17.260 he's

01:26:17.520 involved

01:26:17.940 in

01:26:18.100 a

01:26:18.220 crew

01:26:18.400 of

01:26:18.540 Albanians

01:26:18.900 that

01:26:19.020 went

01:26:19.160 to

01:26:19.320 jail

01:26:19.520 and

01:26:21.020 he

01:26:21.520 said

01:26:21.780 some

01:26:21.960 choice

01:26:22.260 words

01:26:22.560 for

01:26:22.700 me

01:26:22.880 so

01:26:23.600 I

01:26:23.760 told

01:26:23.980 him

01:26:24.180 you

01:26:24.700 know

01:26:24.840 why

01:26:25.040 I

01:26:25.180 said

01:26:25.340 I'm

01:26:25.500 going

01:26:25.580 to

01:26:25.640 give

01:26:25.760 you

01:26:25.840 15

01:26:26.240 seconds

01:26:26.680 this

01:26:27.020 is

01:26:27.120 what

01:26:27.220 I'm

01:26:27.320 going

01:26:27.400 to

01:26:27.460 do

01:26:27.600 for

01:26:27.720 you

01:26:27.860 I

01:26:28.340 says

01:26:28.560 first

01:26:29.020 if

01:26:29.500 you

01:26:29.660 are

01:26:29.840 who

01:26:29.980 you

01:26:30.140 are

01:26:30.420 I

01:26:31.020 know

01:26:31.160 you're

01:26:31.340 a

01:26:31.460 dog

01:26:31.760 I

01:26:32.580 says

01:26:32.700 because

01:26:32.980 while

01:26:33.220 your

01:26:33.400 friends

01:26:33.680 are

01:26:33.840 in

01:26:34.000 prison

01:26:34.360 what

01:26:34.880 are

01:26:34.960 you

01:26:35.040 doing

01:26:35.260 home

01:26:35.580 I

01:26:36.520 said

01:26:36.640 second

01:26:36.920 if

01:26:37.080 they

01:26:37.160 had

01:26:37.300 no

01:26:37.440 evidence

01:26:37.760 against

01:26:38.140 you

01:26:38.360 when

01:26:38.960 all

01:26:39.120 your

01:26:39.240 friends

01:26:39.500 went

01:26:39.980 to

01:26:51.960 as

01:26:52.600 much

01:26:52.840 as

01:26:52.980 I

01:26:53.180 don't

01:26:54.020 want

01:26:54.160 to

01:26:54.280 disrespect

01:26:54.660 them

01:26:55.020 they

01:26:55.580 didn't

01:26:55.760 kill

01:26:55.960 anybody

01:26:56.320 so

01:26:57.500 where

01:26:58.240 do

01:26:58.340 these

01:26:58.540 guys

01:26:58.800 get

01:26:59.020 off

01:26:59.240 talking

01:26:59.700 or

01:27:00.220 even

01:27:00.480 questioning

01:27:01.120 me

01:27:01.520 or

01:27:01.860 my

01:27:02.100 life

01:27:02.460 when

01:27:02.620 they

01:27:02.700 have

01:27:02.820 no

01:27:02.980 knowledge

01:27:03.360 of

01:27:03.540 it

01:27:03.680 so

01:27:04.400 I

01:27:04.700 have

01:27:04.860 no

01:27:05.120 business

01:27:05.580 questioning

01:27:06.120 your

01:27:06.380 life

01:27:06.800 or

01:27:07.120 disrespecting

01:27:07.960 you

01:27:08.080 in

01:27:08.200 any

01:27:08.360 which

01:27:08.620 way

01:27:08.940 unless

01:27:09.840 I

01:27:10.720 was

01:27:10.900 involved

01:27:11.320 with

01:27:11.540 you

01:27:11.720 or

01:27:12.000 unless

01:27:12.420 I

01:27:12.620 told

01:27:12.940 you

01:27:13.080 I

01:27:13.220 used

01:27:13.400 the

01:27:13.520 name

01:27:13.680 earlier

01:27:14.020 Vito

01:27:14.340 Guzzo

01:27:14.660 because

01:27:15.020 like

01:27:15.960 him

01:27:16.100 or

01:27:16.280 leave

01:27:16.520 him

01:27:16.700 or

01:27:17.120 like

01:27:17.360 or

01:27:17.540 disagree

01:27:17.920 with

01:27:18.180 his

01:27:18.360 crew

01:27:18.620 of

01:27:19.060 crimes

01:27:19.380 and

01:27:19.540 they

01:27:19.660 try

01:27:19.840 to

01:27:19.980 kill

01:27:20.140 me

01:27:20.320 in

01:27:20.580 reports

01:27:21.440 all

01:27:21.660 the

01:27:21.800 guys

01:27:21.980 that

01:27:22.120 cooperated

01:27:22.660 said

01:27:22.900 they

01:27:23.380 tried

01:27:23.540 to

01:27:23.660 kill

01:27:23.760 me

01:27:23.900 ten

01:27:24.140 times

01:27:24.540 so

01:27:25.420 they

01:27:26.620 have

01:27:26.900 the

01:27:27.080 right

01:27:27.300 to

01:27:27.480 talk

01:27:27.740 about

01:27:27.980 me

01:27:28.140 because

01:27:28.460 we

01:27:28.680 were

01:27:28.860 back

01:27:29.600 and

01:27:29.800 forth

01:27:30.080 trying

01:27:30.420 to

01:27:30.540 kill

01:27:30.720 each

01:27:30.900 other

01:27:31.040 shooting

01:27:31.320 each

01:27:31.540 other

01:27:31.780 robbing

01:27:32.440 each

01:27:32.620 other

01:27:32.880 so

01:27:33.640 they

01:27:33.820 do

01:27:34.000 have

01:27:34.140 the

01:27:34.260 right

01:27:34.480 even

01:27:35.020 if

01:27:35.180 I

01:27:35.260 disagree

01:27:35.660 I

01:27:36.420 personally

01:27:36.860 give

01:27:37.140 them

01:27:37.440 respect

01:27:38.580 either

01:27:39.260 way

01:27:39.580 if

01:27:39.840 I

01:27:39.960 like

01:27:40.200 them

01:27:40.300 and

01:27:40.400 I

01:27:40.800 respect

01:27:41.120 them

01:27:41.320 there's

01:27:41.460 a

01:27:41.580 difference

01:27:41.880 like

01:27:42.100 in

01:27:42.240 sports

01:27:42.580 like

01:27:42.820 anything

01:27:43.140 but

01:27:43.780 when

01:27:44.000 guys

01:27:44.280 are

01:27:44.440 talking

01:27:44.780 out

01:27:45.020 of

01:27:45.120 school

01:27:45.420 that

01:27:45.700 don't

01:27:45.900 even

01:27:46.100 understand

01:27:46.620 this

01:27:46.860 life

01:27:47.180 and

01:27:47.880 they

01:27:48.000 get

01:27:48.180 on

01:27:48.340 a

01:27:48.460 chat

01:27:48.740 and

01:27:48.860 they

01:27:48.960 want

01:27:49.120 to

01:27:49.220 feel

01:27:49.420 important

01:27:49.840 especially

01:27:50.320 when

01:27:50.540 guys

01:27:50.760 reach

01:27:51.020 out

01:27:51.220 to

01:27:51.340 me

01:27:51.540 and

01:27:52.040 talk

01:27:52.400 they're

01:27:52.780 only

01:27:52.960 talking

01:27:53.320 because

01:27:53.580 this

01:27:53.780 isn't

01:27:54.880 1985

01:27:55.440 or

01:27:55.840 or

01:27:56.440 87

01:27:56.800 or

01:27:57.380 90

01:27:57.800 or

01:27:58.040 95

01:27:58.440 we

01:27:58.700 all

01:27:58.840 of

01:27:59.060 course

01:27:59.420 okay

01:27:59.700 so

01:28:00.420 the

01:28:00.920 biggest

01:28:01.300 mistake

01:28:01.780 anybody

01:28:02.160 ever

01:28:02.480 made

01:28:02.740 in

01:28:02.880 life

01:28:03.240 is

01:28:04.180 when

01:28:04.640 they

01:28:04.800 challenge

01:28:05.160 and

01:28:05.340 threaten

01:28:05.580 somebody

01:28:06.100 because

01:28:06.680 that's

01:28:06.980 usually

01:28:07.240 when

01:28:07.560 you

01:28:08.060 talk

01:28:08.580 to

01:28:08.740 a

01:28:08.900 serious

01:28:09.200 guy

01:28:09.540 that

01:28:10.320 you

01:28:11.500 can

01:28:11.660 have

01:28:11.840 an

01:28:11.980 issue

01:28:12.220 now

01:28:12.660 with

01:28:13.500 me

01:28:13.760 I

01:28:14.000 don't

01:28:14.120 take

01:28:14.340 them

01:28:14.500 serious

01:28:14.780 because

01:28:14.980 there's

01:28:16.400 a lot

01:28:17.540 of

01:28:17.640 guys

01:28:17.880 out

01:28:18.080 there

01:28:18.240 that

01:28:18.380 don't

01:28:18.580 like

01:28:18.820 me

01:28:19.040 but

01:28:19.400 they're

01:28:21.500 not

01:28:21.660 on

01:28:21.800 the

01:28:21.900 internet

01:28:22.120 talking

01:28:22.520 about

01:28:22.800 it

01:28:22.960 those

01:28:23.560 are

01:28:23.660 the

01:28:23.760 guys

01:28:24.000 I

01:28:24.140 got

01:28:24.260 to

01:28:24.360 worry

01:28:24.560 about

01:28:24.840 not

01:28:25.300 these

01:28:25.520 idiots

01:28:29.700 Johnny

01:28:29.820 Burke

01:28:30.120 I'm

01:28:30.300 going

01:28:30.380 to

01:28:30.420 use

01:28:30.640 him

01:28:30.780 he's

01:28:31.020 got

01:28:31.360 a

01:28:31.460 life

01:28:31.620 sentence

01:28:31.940 this

01:28:32.760 is

01:28:32.880 a

01:28:33.020 guy

01:28:33.280 that

01:28:33.500 was

01:28:33.620 around

01:28:33.940 the

01:28:34.340 Ruggiano

01:28:34.740 family

01:28:35.220 who was

01:28:36.140 a drug

01:28:36.440 addict

01:28:36.700 got

01:28:37.220 baseball

01:28:37.640 batted

01:28:38.000 by

01:28:38.160 Carmine

01:28:38.580 and

01:28:38.720 John

01:28:38.920 Gotti

01:28:39.180 Jr

01:28:39.420 did

01:28:39.780 nothing

01:28:40.040 about

01:28:40.360 it

01:28:40.540 this

01:28:41.300 is

01:28:41.420 a

01:28:41.540 guy

01:28:41.760 that

01:28:41.960 let

01:28:42.220 his

01:28:42.360 family

01:28:42.660 sit

01:28:42.940 in

01:28:43.040 the

01:28:43.160 street

01:28:43.440 with

01:28:43.680 no

01:28:43.860 money

01:28:44.140 didn't

01:28:44.360 buy

01:28:44.540 him

01:28:44.660 a

01:28:44.760 house

01:28:44.940 I

01:28:45.120 had to

01:28:45.300 give

01:28:45.400 him

01:28:45.500 $60,000

01:28:46.120 to buy

01:28:46.480 the house

01:28:46.740 this

01:28:47.280 is

01:28:47.400 a

01:28:47.540 guy

01:28:47.700 that

01:28:47.860 left

01:28:48.180 Citrus

01:28:49.180 County

01:28:49.520 jail

01:28:49.820 twice

01:28:50.320 to

01:28:51.040 go

01:28:51.180 meet

01:28:51.360 with

01:28:51.500 the

01:28:51.620 prosecutors

01:28:52.060 he

01:28:52.300 didn't

01:28:52.420 go

01:28:52.520 to

01:28:52.660 Disney

01:28:52.920 World

01:28:53.180 and

01:28:54.180 try

01:28:54.560 to

01:28:54.660 make

01:28:54.820 a

01:28:54.940 deal

01:28:55.160 this

01:28:55.920 is

01:28:56.040 a

01:28:56.180 guy

01:28:56.320 whose

01:28:56.500 mother

01:28:56.760 threatened

01:28:57.100 us

01:28:57.280 in

01:28:57.400 2001

01:28:58.020 if

01:28:58.280 we

01:28:58.400 didn't

01:28:58.560 give

01:28:58.700 him

01:28:58.840 money

01:28:59.040 he

01:28:59.200 was

01:28:59.340 going

01:28:59.480 to

01:28:59.580 rat

01:28:59.820 this

01:29:00.860 is

01:29:01.020 a

01:29:01.160 guy

01:29:01.520 that

01:29:01.960 got

01:29:02.120 run

01:29:02.340 over

01:29:02.580 by

01:29:02.800 Brendan

01:29:03.160 Gebbett

01:29:03.600 and

01:29:03.780 did

01:29:03.920 nothing

01:29:04.200 about

01:29:04.540 it

01:29:04.700 said

01:29:04.880 in

01:29:04.980 the

01:29:05.020 hospital

01:29:05.400 they

01:29:05.620 came

01:29:05.820 running

01:29:06.000 to

01:29:06.180 me

01:29:06.380 can

01:29:06.560 you

01:29:06.680 help

01:29:06.880 me

01:29:07.060 this

01:29:07.460 is

01:29:07.560 a

01:29:07.660 guy

01:29:07.840 that

01:29:07.960 was

01:29:08.120 with

01:29:08.320 me

01:29:08.440 on

01:29:08.580 the

01:29:08.700 robbery

01:29:09.080 in

01:29:09.920 Valley

01:29:10.280 Street

01:29:10.520 when

01:29:10.720 I

01:29:10.840 robbed

01:29:11.060 Jojo

01:29:11.400 Carrazzo

01:29:11.840 and

01:29:12.020 Ronnie

01:29:12.260 One

01:29:12.440 Arm's

01:29:12.640 bookmaker

01:29:13.120 that

01:29:13.440 refused

01:29:13.820 to

01:29:14.020 come

01:29:14.180 he

01:29:14.300 was

01:29:14.420 scared

01:29:14.700 this

01:29:15.500 is

01:29:15.620 a

01:29:15.740 guy

01:29:15.880 whose

01:29:16.080 brother

01:29:16.440 married

01:29:16.880 a

01:29:17.040 police

01:29:17.280 officer

01:29:17.680 but

01:29:17.880 calls

01:29:18.140 everybody

01:29:18.580 a

01:29:18.780 rat

01:29:19.000 this

01:29:19.680 is

01:29:19.800 a

01:29:19.880 guy

01:29:20.100 who

01:29:20.340 they

01:29:20.580 did

01:29:20.800 the

01:29:20.980 whole

01:29:21.200 house

01:29:21.480 of

01:29:21.600 an

01:29:21.740 FBI

01:29:22.040 agent

01:29:22.520 for

01:29:22.780 free

01:29:23.100 him

01:29:23.660 and

01:29:23.740 his

01:29:23.860 brother

01:29:24.080 were

01:29:24.240 meeting

01:29:24.500 with

01:29:24.700 him

01:29:24.820 but

01:29:25.200 he

01:29:25.300 calls

01:29:25.520 everybody

01:29:25.920 a

01:29:26.080 rat

01:29:26.260 this

01:29:26.980 is

01:29:27.120 a

01:29:27.260 guy

01:29:27.400 who

01:29:27.540 teaches

01:29:27.840 his

01:29:28.080 kids

01:29:28.300 to

01:29:28.480 talk

01:29:28.680 just

01:29:28.920 like

01:29:29.200 him

01:29:29.400 and

01:29:30.060 this

01:29:30.220 is

01:29:30.340 the

01:29:30.480 problem

01:29:30.760 why

01:29:31.060 I

01:29:31.220 keep

01:29:31.420 doing

01:29:31.660 these

01:29:31.820 shows

01:29:32.040 for

01:29:32.240 kids

01:29:32.500 because

01:29:33.460 don't

01:29:33.960 follow

01:29:34.240 these

01:29:34.480 guys

01:29:34.760 they're

01:29:35.120 full

01:29:35.300 of

01:29:35.440 shit

01:29:35.680 they

01:29:36.260 ain't

01:29:36.420 about

01:29:36.700 nothing

01:29:37.060 and

01:29:37.300 this

01:29:37.440 is

01:29:37.540 a

01:29:37.660 guy

01:29:37.840 that

01:29:38.000 I

01:29:38.820 won't

01:29:39.000 say

01:29:39.160 his

01:29:39.360 last

01:29:39.580 name

01:29:39.760 shot

01:29:40.060 him

01:29:40.180 in

01:29:40.280 the

01:29:40.380 throat

01:29:40.660 because

01:29:41.400 he

01:29:41.560 talked

01:29:41.800 too

01:29:41.940 much

01:29:42.120 Johnny

01:29:42.400 Burke

01:29:42.680 this

01:29:43.200 is

01:29:43.360 guy

01:29:43.680 in

01:29:43.900 jail

01:29:44.240 that

01:29:44.440 was

01:29:44.560 getting

01:29:44.760 shaken

01:29:45.080 down

01:29:45.500 and

01:29:46.100 in

01:29:46.260 Citrus

01:29:46.560 County

01:29:46.940 when

01:29:47.100 he

01:29:47.220 came

01:29:47.420 to

01:29:47.560 the

01:29:47.700 jail

01:29:47.880 I

01:29:48.040 was

01:29:48.200 at

01:29:48.380 I

01:29:48.500 got

01:29:48.660 him

01:29:48.760 in

01:29:48.860 a

01:29:48.960 sally

01:29:49.200 port

01:29:49.500 and

01:29:49.960 I

01:29:50.060 told

01:29:50.280 him

01:29:50.420 I

01:29:50.520 know

01:29:50.620 you're

01:29:50.820 rat

01:29:50.960 and

01:29:51.060 he

01:29:51.140 cried

01:29:51.400 this

01:29:52.220 is

01:29:52.340 the

01:29:52.480 same

01:29:52.700 guy

01:29:52.900 that's

01:29:53.120 talking

01:29:53.420 on

01:29:53.620 internets

01:29:54.100 and

01:29:54.300 because

01:29:54.880 they

01:29:55.040 can

01:29:55.200 use

01:29:56.580 the

01:29:56.720 internet

01:29:57.020 now

01:29:57.240 from

01:29:57.420 prison

01:29:57.720 this

01:29:58.340 is

01:29:58.460 a

01:29:58.580 guy

01:29:58.820 that

01:29:59.020 if

01:29:59.180 I

01:29:59.340 told

01:29:59.620 him

01:29:59.780 to

01:29:59.900 do

01:30:00.100 anything

01:30:00.420 I

01:30:00.620 wanted

01:30:00.940 he

01:30:01.100 would

01:30:01.240 have

01:30:01.360 did

01:30:01.540 it

01:30:01.700 and

01:30:01.980 said

01:30:02.200 please

01:30:02.520 can

01:30:02.720 I

01:30:02.820 do

01:30:02.940 it

01:30:03.060 again

01:30:03.300 so

01:30:04.280 when

01:30:04.520 they

01:30:04.640 able

01:30:04.900 to

01:30:05.100 talk

01:30:05.420 on

01:30:05.580 internets

01:30:06.020 and

01:30:06.140 computers

01:30:06.680 because

01:30:07.240 it's

01:30:07.760 a

01:30:07.880 different

01:30:08.120 world

01:30:08.540 but

01:30:09.360 no

01:30:09.720 one

01:30:09.840 is

01:30:09.940 talking

01:30:10.200 about

01:30:10.480 this

01:30:10.680 and

01:30:10.800 his

01:30:10.960 family

01:30:11.240 doesn't

01:30:11.540 know

01:30:11.700 all

01:30:11.840 this

01:30:11.960 stuff

01:30:12.140 but

01:30:12.300 his

01:30:12.460 mother

01:30:12.640 knows

01:30:12.980 that

01:30:13.180 you

01:30:13.360 and

01:30:13.480 I

01:30:13.600 made

01:30:14.020 guys

01:30:14.860 that

01:30:15.000 are

01:30:15.080 cooperating

01:30:15.740 Patsy

01:30:16.300 Adriano

01:30:16.920 Dave

01:30:17.480 Darpino

01:30:18.120 Peter

01:30:19.260 Sicaro

01:30:19.800 I

01:30:19.880 made

01:30:20.040 every

01:30:20.240 one

01:30:20.520 of

01:30:20.620 them

01:30:20.760 before

01:30:21.340 all

01:30:21.560 these

01:30:21.760 cases

01:30:22.060 come

01:30:22.340 go

01:30:22.580 pay

01:30:22.760 his

01:30:22.920 mother

01:30:23.120 before

01:30:23.420 he

01:30:23.600 snitches

01:30:24.000 any

01:30:24.160 rats

01:30:24.420 on

01:30:24.580 us

01:30:24.700 and

01:30:25.100 there's

01:30:25.220 a

01:30:25.320 guy

01:30:25.440 in

01:30:25.560 1994

01:30:26.280 got

01:30:26.840 out

01:30:26.980 of

01:30:27.100 trouble

01:30:27.460 for

01:30:28.200 a

01:30:28.840 state

01:30:29.080 case

01:30:29.420 and

01:30:29.540 got

01:30:29.760 out

01:30:29.940 of

01:30:30.020 jail

01:30:30.200 that

01:30:30.340 we

01:30:30.480 were

01:30:30.600 questioned

01:30:30.940 how

01:30:31.140 he

01:30:31.280 got

01:30:31.440 out

01:30:31.700 and

01:30:32.320 I

01:30:32.420 can

01:30:32.580 go

01:30:32.800 on

01:30:33.120 with

01:30:33.900 more

01:30:34.200 stories

01:30:34.580 about

01:30:34.880 him

01:30:35.040 so

01:30:35.740 when

01:30:37.060 these

01:30:37.260 guys

01:30:37.500 talk

01:30:37.840 the

01:30:38.000 problem

01:30:38.380 is

01:30:38.720 their

01:30:39.680 mouths

01:30:39.940 not

01:30:40.200 sewed

01:30:41.520 shut

01:30:41.800 you

01:30:42.120 can't

01:30:42.400 stop

01:30:42.680 them

01:30:42.800 from

01:30:42.960 talking

01:30:43.340 so

01:30:43.900 they

01:30:44.020 want

01:30:44.180 to

01:30:44.260 change

01:30:44.480 the

01:30:44.640 storyline

01:30:45.060 what

01:30:45.320 happened

01:30:45.640 this

01:30:46.320 is

01:30:46.460 the

01:30:46.600 first

01:30:46.860 guy

01:30:47.080 that

01:30:47.220 rolled

01:30:47.460 out

01:30:47.620 all

01:30:47.800 these

01:30:48.000 guys

01:30:48.340 so

01:30:50.120 when

01:30:50.400 his

01:30:50.600 sister

01:30:50.900 or

01:30:51.100 somebody

01:30:51.340 is

01:30:51.480 talking

01:30:51.820 I

01:30:52.480 don't

01:30:52.620 even

01:30:52.820 blame

01:30:53.120 them

01:30:53.300 because

01:30:53.460 they're

01:30:53.620 hearing

01:30:53.840 it

01:30:53.980 from

01:30:54.140 him

01:30:54.460 or

01:30:55.240 when

01:30:55.420 Gotti's

01:30:55.900 kids

01:30:56.360 are

01:30:56.520 talking

01:30:56.840 because

01:30:57.040 I

01:30:57.180 tell

01:30:57.360 my

01:30:57.560 kids

01:30:57.760 shut

01:30:57.980 your

01:30:58.140 mouth

01:30:58.340 and

01:30:58.460 mind

01:30:58.620 your

01:30:58.740 business

01:30:59.040 about

01:30:59.300 my

01:30:59.480 life

01:30:59.700 use

01:30:59.880 the

01:31:00.000 regular

01:31:00.240 kids

01:31:00.600 if

01:31:01.340 any

01:31:01.540 gangster

01:31:01.980 wants

01:31:02.240 to be

01:31:02.480 a

01:31:02.600 gangster

01:31:02.880 still

01:31:03.220 with

01:31:03.420 me

01:31:03.640 I'm

01:31:04.120 very

01:31:04.360 accessible

01:31:04.820 I

01:31:05.300 don't

01:31:05.480 leave

01:31:05.700 New

01:31:05.880 York

01:31:06.160 so

01:31:06.780 if

01:31:07.000 you

01:31:07.120 still

01:31:07.420 think

01:31:07.720 you're

01:31:07.880 that

01:31:08.040 killer

01:31:08.360 then

01:31:09.160 you're

01:31:09.380 allowed

01:31:09.560 to

01:31:09.700 take

01:31:09.840 a

01:31:09.960 shot

01:31:10.200 jump

01:31:10.560 like

01:31:11.000 we

01:31:11.140 used

01:31:11.300 to

01:31:11.420 stay

01:31:11.580 in

01:31:11.680 the

01:31:11.740 street

01:31:11.920 right

01:31:12.200 you're

01:31:12.440 froggy

01:31:12.800 take

01:31:13.020 a

01:31:13.140 jump

01:31:13.380 leap

01:31:13.800 so

01:31:14.820 what

01:31:15.060 are

01:31:15.120 you

01:31:15.180 talking

01:31:15.420 about

01:31:15.680 kids

01:31:15.940 for

01:31:16.180 I

01:31:16.700 don't

01:31:16.820 want

01:31:16.940 to

01:31:17.020 talk

01:31:17.220 about

01:31:17.460 anybody's

01:31:17.900 kids

01:31:18.120 so

01:31:19.080 you

01:31:19.320 know

01:31:19.440 I

01:31:19.920 make

01:31:20.160 this

01:31:20.280 very

01:31:20.540 easy

01:31:20.840 for

01:31:21.040 anybody

01:31:21.340 it

01:31:21.520 still

01:31:21.720 says

01:31:22.000 they're

01:31:22.200 gangstas

01:31:22.600 it's

01:31:22.700 just

01:31:22.840 what

01:31:23.000 you

01:31:23.140 said

01:31:23.360 it's

01:31:23.600 over

01:31:23.900 but

01:31:24.500 if

01:31:24.640 they

01:31:24.780 wanted

01:31:25.040 to

01:31:25.200 be

01:31:25.380 a

01:31:25.500 gangstas

01:31:25.840 go

01:31:26.040 ahead

01:31:26.280 you

01:31:26.520 know

01:31:26.640 where

01:31:26.760 you're

01:31:26.920 going

01:31:26.980 to

01:31:27.040 end

01:31:27.200 up

01:31:27.480 you're

01:31:28.180 going

01:31:28.280 to

01:31:28.360 end

01:31:28.640 up

01:31:28.780 life

01:31:29.040 if

01:31:29.240 that's

01:31:29.440 you're

01:31:29.540 trying

01:31:29.720 to

01:31:29.820 get

01:31:30.060 a

01:31:30.180 name

01:31:30.360 off

01:31:30.560 yourself

01:31:30.900 for

01:31:31.080 talking

01:31:31.340 about

01:31:31.560 me

01:31:31.800 or

01:31:31.900 somebody

01:31:32.180 else

01:31:32.460 like

01:31:32.900 fear

01:31:33.500 and

01:31:33.700 structure

01:31:34.060 was

01:31:34.300 the

01:31:34.480 key

01:31:34.680 and

01:31:34.860 those

01:31:35.120 two

01:31:35.360 things

01:31:35.780 when

01:31:36.620 you

01:31:36.760 lose

01:31:37.120 those

01:31:37.380 things

01:31:37.860 it's

01:31:38.100 tough

01:31:38.340 to

01:31:38.700 control

01:31:40.980 so

01:31:41.280 you

01:31:42.000 know

01:31:52.600 you've

01:31:53.060 lived

01:31:53.260 this

01:31:53.500 life

01:31:53.740 for

01:31:53.940 a

01:31:54.080 while

01:31:54.360 how

01:31:55.440 do

01:31:55.700 you

01:31:55.860 I

01:31:55.960 know

01:31:56.060 you

01:31:56.200 said

01:31:56.360 something

01:31:56.620 you had

01:31:56.820 a hard

01:31:57.040 time

01:31:57.180 going

01:31:57.360 to

01:31:57.460 sleep

01:31:57.660 at

01:31:57.840 night

01:31:58.080 you're

01:31:58.320 still

01:31:58.480 having

01:31:58.680 to

01:31:58.780 seeing

01:31:58.920 therapists

01:31:59.340 sometimes

01:31:59.800 talking to

01:32:00.300 some

01:32:00.460 people

01:32:00.800 you know

01:32:01.440 to kind

01:32:01.820 of be

01:32:02.040 able to

01:32:02.300 flush

01:32:02.540 it

01:32:22.600 it's

01:32:22.760 easy

01:32:23.080 for

01:32:23.280 me

01:32:23.420 to

01:32:23.540 hurt

01:32:23.720 somebody

01:32:24.080 or

01:32:24.220 kill

01:32:24.400 somebody

01:32:24.700 that's

01:32:25.000 the

01:32:25.100 easy

01:32:25.300 part

01:32:25.560 for

01:32:26.100 me

01:32:26.260 it's

01:32:26.440 easy

01:32:26.700 I

01:32:26.940 don't

01:32:27.160 say

01:32:27.420 anything

01:32:27.740 different

01:32:28.120 the

01:32:28.580 hard

01:32:28.820 part

01:32:29.040 is

01:32:29.180 not

01:32:29.380 doing

01:32:29.620 it

01:32:29.740 when

01:32:29.880 they

01:32:30.000 talk

01:32:30.260 crazy

01:32:30.660 and

01:32:30.840 talk

01:32:31.100 stupid

01:32:31.460 and

01:32:31.640 this

01:32:31.760 so

01:32:32.460 you

01:32:32.760 have

01:32:32.940 to

01:32:33.060 work

01:32:33.300 at

01:32:33.460 things

01:32:33.680 right

01:32:33.900 so

01:32:34.140 I

01:32:34.260 get

01:32:34.420 through

01:32:34.640 it

01:32:34.820 day

01:32:35.140 each

01:32:36.000 day

01:32:36.280 so

01:32:36.760 today

01:32:37.060 I

01:32:37.200 get

01:32:37.340 through

01:32:37.520 today

01:32:37.780 I

01:32:37.900 worry

01:32:38.080 about

01:32:38.300 tomorrow

01:32:38.660 tomorrow

01:32:38.980 but

01:32:39.480 I'm

01:32:39.640 not

01:32:39.840 going to

01:32:40.040 change

01:32:40.320 who

01:32:52.600 want

01:32:52.740 people

01:32:52.940 to

01:32:53.060 understand

01:32:53.460 I

01:32:53.960 don't

01:32:54.140 need

01:32:54.320 20

01:32:54.600 guys

01:32:54.860 to

01:32:55.020 feel

01:32:55.220 strong

01:32:55.560 and

01:32:55.780 I

01:32:55.900 didn't

01:32:56.060 need

01:32:56.300 100

01:32:56.640 guys

01:32:57.060 to

01:32:57.280 say

01:32:57.460 I'm

01:32:57.640 cooperating

01:32:58.260 now

01:32:58.540 because

01:32:59.260 they

01:32:59.460 betrayed

01:32:59.860 me

01:33:00.160 I

01:33:00.800 just

01:33:00.980 ran

01:33:01.220 through

01:33:01.460 this

01:33:01.680 the mob

01:33:02.100 betrayed

01:33:02.480 me

01:33:02.680 I

01:33:02.820 didn't

01:33:02.960 betray

01:33:03.260 them

01:33:03.580 so

01:33:04.140 I'm

01:33:04.240 not

01:33:04.320 going to

01:33:04.540 switch

01:33:04.820 that

01:33:05.040 on

01:33:05.200 me

01:33:05.420 I'm

01:33:05.720 not

01:33:05.860 one

01:33:06.040 of

01:33:06.140 these

01:33:06.260 dumb

01:33:06.500 guys

01:33:06.800 I

01:33:06.960 was

01:33:07.100 educated

01:33:07.600 college

01:33:08.040 educated

01:33:08.600 street

01:33:08.960 educated

01:33:09.580 I went

01:33:11.300 to college

01:33:11.720 also

01:33:12.060 so

01:33:12.660 I didn't

01:33:13.220 graduate

01:33:13.720 for

01:33:13.920 years

01:33:14.340 but

01:33:14.500 I

01:33:14.580 went

01:33:14.780 to

01:33:14.900 college

01:33:15.160 three

01:33:15.380 years

01:33:15.660 so

01:33:16.540 I'm

01:33:16.740 educated

01:33:17.360 and

01:33:17.560 I

01:33:17.660 understand

01:33:18.020 life

01:33:18.500 right

01:33:18.760 and

01:33:19.020 I

01:33:19.140 understand

01:33:19.620 if

01:33:20.140 John

01:33:20.440 Gotti

01:33:20.760 Jr.

01:33:21.120 ever

01:33:21.240 turned

01:33:21.540 around

01:33:21.860 and

01:33:22.080 learned

01:33:22.440 to

01:33:22.600 be

01:33:22.720 a

01:33:22.860 gentleman

01:33:23.120 shook

01:33:23.440 my

01:33:23.640 hand

01:33:23.900 and

01:33:24.020 said

01:33:24.220 let's

01:33:24.720 forget

01:33:24.940 about

01:33:25.160 the

01:33:25.320 past

01:33:25.560 because

01:33:25.760 there's

01:33:25.940 a ton

01:33:26.180 of

01:33:26.280 guys

01:33:26.540 out

01:33:26.760 there

01:33:26.940 that

01:33:27.100 tried

01:33:27.320 to

01:33:27.480 kill

01:33:27.700 me

01:33:27.940 that

01:33:28.700 I'm

01:33:28.800 friends

01:33:29.040 with

01:33:29.200 now

01:33:29.420 the

01:33:30.020 guy

01:33:30.220 Stevie

01:33:30.520 knew

01:33:30.840 that

01:33:31.400 he

01:33:31.740 planned

01:33:32.160 on

01:33:32.360 killing

01:33:32.580 me

01:33:32.740 and I

01:33:32.980 shot

01:33:33.220 him

01:33:33.460 we're

01:33:33.740 friends

01:33:34.020 because

01:33:34.840 there's

01:33:35.140 a

01:33:35.300 level

01:33:35.560 of

01:33:35.720 respect

01:33:36.000 again

01:33:36.340 I'm

01:33:36.520 going

01:33:36.600 to

01:33:36.660 go

01:33:36.780 back

01:33:37.000 to

01:33:37.140 level

01:33:37.320 respect

01:33:37.660 but

01:33:38.260 when

01:33:38.480 you

01:33:38.620 want

01:33:38.840 to

01:33:38.980 bullshit

01:33:39.320 the

01:33:39.620 public

01:33:39.940 and

01:33:40.120 yourself

01:33:40.520 and

01:33:41.040 throw

01:33:41.300 your

01:33:41.520 garbage

01:33:41.900 on

01:33:42.160 me

01:33:42.340 and

01:33:42.500 you're

01:33:42.620 not

01:33:42.780 man

01:33:43.020 enough

01:33:43.260 to

01:33:43.440 say

01:33:43.680 this

01:33:44.220 is

01:33:44.360 what

01:33:44.520 I

01:33:44.660 did

01:33:44.900 I'll

01:33:45.420 never

01:33:45.600 be

01:33:45.780 your

01:33:45.960 friend

01:33:46.200 I'll

01:33:46.500 never

01:33:46.660 respect

01:33:47.120 you

01:33:47.300 so

01:33:48.040 when

01:33:48.320 you

01:33:48.460 turn

01:33:48.700 around

01:33:48.940 and

01:33:49.060 you

01:33:49.120 be

01:33:49.240 a

01:33:49.380 gentleman

01:33:49.680 and

01:33:49.920 say

01:33:50.140 okay

01:33:50.400 this

01:33:50.620 is

01:33:50.760 what

01:33:50.920 happened

01:33:51.240 I

01:34:03.460 I

01:34:03.900 don't

01:34:04.000 go

01:34:04.120 looking

01:34:04.380 to

01:34:04.560 kill

01:34:04.760 him

01:34:04.940 do

01:34:05.140 you

01:34:05.200 still

01:34:05.360 miss

01:34:05.600 the

01:34:05.720 life

01:34:05.920 do

01:34:06.220 you

01:34:06.300 still

01:34:06.480 miss

01:34:06.720 any

01:34:06.900 of

01:34:07.040 it

01:34:07.180 anybody

01:34:08.140 that

01:34:08.380 says

01:34:08.560 they

01:34:08.700 don't

01:34:08.900 miss

01:34:09.100 the

01:34:09.240 life

01:34:09.580 is

01:34:12.040 a

01:34:12.200 liar

01:34:12.440 I

01:34:12.920 think

01:34:13.100 we

01:34:13.240 all

01:34:13.440 miss

01:34:13.660 the

01:34:13.820 life

01:34:14.080 but

01:34:14.600 the

01:34:14.740 only

01:34:14.920 difference

01:34:15.360 is

01:34:15.680 we

01:34:16.120 get

01:34:16.320 older

01:34:16.600 we

01:34:16.780 get

01:34:16.940 smarter

01:34:17.340 we

01:34:17.660 understand

01:34:18.080 there

01:34:18.300 is

01:34:18.460 no

01:34:18.620 loyalty

01:34:19.000 and

01:34:19.620 I

01:34:19.740 think

01:34:19.960 you

01:34:20.100 miss

01:34:20.460 like

01:34:21.020 we

01:34:21.180 all

01:34:21.420 say

01:34:21.700 camaraderie

01:34:22.940 and

01:34:23.060 all

01:34:23.200 that

01:34:23.380 and

01:34:23.500 I

01:34:23.600 joke

01:34:23.860 about

01:34:24.140 I

01:34:24.260 said

01:34:24.400 well

01:34:24.540 join

01:34:24.740 a

01:34:24.860 bowling

01:34:25.080 team

01:34:25.380 so

01:34:26.240 if

01:34:26.680 you

01:34:26.780 miss

01:34:26.980 the

01:34:27.100 camaraderie

01:34:27.700 but

01:34:28.000 I

01:34:28.680 know

01:34:29.120 that

01:34:30.120 this

01:34:30.420 life

01:34:30.860 of

01:34:31.200 what

01:34:31.420 I

01:34:31.620 thought

01:34:31.940 it

01:34:32.060 was

01:34:32.260 as

01:34:32.440 a

01:34:32.580 young

01:34:32.760 man

01:34:33.020 as

01:34:33.180 a

01:34:33.320 kid

01:34:33.520 does

01:34:34.120 not

01:34:34.360 exist

01:34:34.860 so

01:34:35.820 you

01:34:36.180 know

01:34:36.320 my

01:34:36.640 friends

01:34:37.060 that

01:34:37.460 I

01:34:37.620 when

01:34:37.940 I

01:34:38.080 am

01:34:38.240 together

01:34:38.560 with

01:34:38.760 my

01:34:38.940 friends

01:34:39.240 the

01:34:39.520 guys

01:34:39.780 I

01:34:39.920 grew

01:34:40.120 up

01:34:40.280 with

01:34:40.440 and

01:34:40.540 we

01:34:40.660 go

01:34:40.780 to

01:34:40.900 the

01:34:41.020 beach

01:34:41.300 or

01:34:41.440 we

01:34:41.560 go

01:34:41.740 as

01:34:42.260 family

01:34:42.580 I

01:34:43.700 don't

01:34:43.860 miss

01:34:44.080 the

01:34:44.240 mob

01:34:44.420 when

01:34:44.580 with

01:34:44.820 them

01:34:45.000 because

01:34:45.440 again

01:34:45.860 now

01:34:46.260 you

01:34:46.400 with

01:34:46.580 real

01:34:46.860 friends

01:34:47.260 and

01:34:47.820 you

01:34:47.920 don't

01:34:48.020 got

01:34:48.140 to

01:34:48.220 look

01:34:48.360 over

01:34:48.540 your

01:34:48.700 shoulder

01:34:49.020 and

01:34:49.440 I

01:34:49.560 don't

01:34:49.660 got

01:34:49.800 to

01:34:49.900 worry

01:34:50.040 about

01:34:50.240 getting

01:34:50.440 in

01:34:50.580 a

01:34:50.680 car

01:34:50.920 and

01:34:51.140 I

01:34:51.240 don't

01:34:51.360 got

01:34:51.500 to

01:34:51.620 worry

01:34:51.840 about

01:34:52.120 anything

01:34:52.480 with

01:34:52.740 them

01:34:52.900 and

01:34:53.500 you

01:34:53.740 know

01:34:53.840 there's

01:34:54.060 no

01:34:54.200 treachery

01:34:54.780 there's

01:34:55.020 only

01:34:55.220 true

01:34:55.600 friendship

01:34:56.060 and

01:34:56.320 love

01:34:56.540 for

01:34:56.680 each

01:34:56.840 other

01:34:57.000 and

01:34:57.120 our

01:34:57.260 families

01:34:57.640 and

01:34:58.240 this

01:34:58.420 is

01:34:58.560 the

01:34:58.720 part

01:34:59.040 that

01:34:59.560 kids

01:34:59.820 really

01:35:00.100 got

01:35:00.280 to

01:35:00.380 understand

01:35:00.720 because

01:35:01.020 I

01:35:01.220 know

01:35:01.440 I

01:35:01.620 was

01:35:01.820 there

01:35:02.100 I

01:35:02.800 know

01:35:03.120 that

01:35:03.360 it's

01:35:03.720 enticing

01:35:04.280 right

01:35:05.200 and

01:35:05.380 all

01:35:05.640 this

01:35:05.840 is

01:35:05.980 enticing

01:35:06.400 but

01:35:06.900 just

01:35:07.080 what

01:35:07.240 you

01:35:07.380 said

01:35:07.660 I'll

01:35:08.300 be

01:35:08.420 a

01:35:08.560 liar

01:35:08.740 to

01:35:08.920 tell

01:35:09.060 you

01:35:09.240 you

01:35:09.420 know

01:35:09.540 Ralph

01:35:09.800 Natale

01:35:10.260 from Philly

01:35:10.900 said

01:35:11.100 I sleep

01:35:11.480 like a

01:35:11.820 baby

01:35:12.100 and

01:35:12.840 do

01:35:13.500 I

01:35:13.620 like

01:35:13.860 Ralph

01:35:14.100 he's

01:35:14.300 an

01:35:14.380 right

01:35:14.560 guy

01:35:14.820 but

01:35:15.380 I

01:35:15.460 said

01:35:15.600 he's

01:35:15.720 full

01:35:15.860 of

01:35:15.980 shit

01:35:16.180 because

01:35:17.580 I

01:35:17.740 think

01:35:18.220 if

01:35:18.340 you

01:35:18.440 talk

01:35:18.660 to

01:35:18.780 anybody

01:35:19.120 who's

01:35:19.280 been

01:35:19.420 in

01:35:19.540 armed

01:35:19.900 force

01:35:20.180 and

01:35:20.340 seen

01:35:20.520 action

01:35:20.880 or

01:35:21.060 anybody

01:35:21.280 from

01:35:31.440 asked

01:35:31.600 me

01:35:31.760 it

01:35:31.880 seems

01:35:32.100 like

01:35:32.280 I

01:35:32.400 don't

01:35:32.600 care

01:35:32.860 earlier

01:35:33.260 I

01:35:33.540 do

01:35:33.720 care

01:35:33.940 that's

01:35:34.160 why

01:35:34.260 I

01:35:34.340 go

01:35:34.440 to

01:35:34.560 therapy

01:35:34.860 all

01:35:35.060 the

01:35:35.160 time

01:35:35.340 I

01:35:35.780 did

01:35:36.020 get

01:35:36.180 in

01:35:36.320 touch

01:35:36.560 with

01:35:36.760 so

01:35:36.940 you

01:35:37.140 just

01:35:37.380 for

01:35:37.580 information

01:35:37.960 you

01:35:38.140 in

01:35:38.240 the

01:35:38.320 public

01:35:38.620 I

01:35:39.140 got

01:35:39.300 in

01:35:39.420 touch

01:35:39.580 with

01:35:39.740 tons

01:35:40.140 of

01:35:40.320 my

01:35:40.500 victims

01:35:40.900 some

01:35:41.560 would

01:35:41.760 talk

01:35:42.020 to

01:35:42.120 me

01:35:42.240 some

01:35:42.460 wouldn't

01:35:42.860 I

01:35:43.560 cried

01:35:43.900 with

01:35:44.100 some

01:35:44.300 and

01:35:44.440 some

01:35:44.560 I

01:35:44.680 didn't

01:35:44.840 but

01:35:45.020 this

01:35:45.220 show

01:35:45.400 is not

01:35:45.680 about

01:35:45.960 how I

01:35:46.340 feel

01:35:46.720 this

01:35:47.400 is

01:35:47.500 not

01:35:47.660 about

01:35:48.020 my

01:36:01.440 other

01:36:01.600 families

01:36:01.940 but

01:36:02.700 again

01:36:03.100 and

01:36:03.900 I'll

01:36:04.080 be

01:36:04.180 a

01:36:04.320 liar

01:36:04.540 if

01:36:04.740 I

01:36:04.820 say

01:36:04.980 anything

01:36:05.240 different

01:36:05.660 I'm

01:36:06.060 still

01:36:06.260 the

01:36:06.440 same

01:36:06.640 guy

01:36:06.940 so

01:36:07.780 that

01:36:08.000 means

01:36:08.380 if

01:36:08.720 somebody

01:36:08.980 busted

01:36:09.320 in

01:36:09.480 his

01:36:09.620 room

01:36:09.840 right

01:36:10.080 now

01:36:10.360 and

01:36:10.520 tried

01:36:10.740 to

01:36:10.880 hurt

01:36:11.080 us

01:36:11.340 you're

01:36:11.840 still

01:36:12.000 capable

01:36:12.360 of

01:36:12.880 course

01:36:13.080 I

01:36:13.220 I'll

01:36:13.460 be

01:36:13.580 a

01:36:13.680 liar

01:36:13.880 if

01:36:14.040 I

01:36:14.100 was

01:36:14.380 the

01:36:14.740 story

01:36:15.040 that

01:36:15.220 GQ

01:36:15.520 did

01:36:15.720 on

01:36:15.900 you

01:36:16.000 GQ

01:36:16.300 magazine

01:36:16.660 did

01:36:16.820 a

01:36:16.940 story

01:36:17.180 on

01:36:17.360 you

01:36:17.440 what

01:36:17.620 was

01:36:17.960 it

01:36:18.080 about

01:36:18.340 GQ

01:36:18.760 talked

01:36:19.100 to

01:36:19.200 me

01:36:19.320 about

01:36:19.560 I

01:36:19.700 did

01:36:19.860 a

01:36:20.000 Netflix

01:36:20.300 series

01:36:20.680 this

01:36:20.940 was

01:36:21.060 just

01:36:21.180 a

01:36:21.300 month

01:36:21.460 ago

01:36:21.680 I

01:36:22.800 did

01:36:23.500 a

01:36:23.620 Netflix

01:36:23.880 thing

01:36:24.240 that's

01:36:24.460 coming

01:36:24.680 out

01:36:24.940 and

01:36:25.040 you

01:36:25.180 spoke

01:36:25.480 to

01:36:25.620 me

01:36:25.720 about

01:36:25.920 that

01:36:26.140 it's

01:36:26.320 about

01:36:26.600 Five

01:36:27.340 Families

01:36:27.700 and

01:36:28.400 this

01:36:28.660 is

01:36:28.800 also

01:36:29.080 about

01:36:29.500 is

01:36:30.400 Five

01:36:30.700 Families

01:36:30.980 with

01:36:31.220 the

01:36:31.360 author

01:36:31.660 the

01:36:31.940 same

01:36:33.420 guy

01:36:33.620 that

01:36:33.760 wrote

01:36:33.960 the

01:36:34.080 book

01:36:34.200 Five

01:36:34.420 Families

01:36:34.780 No

01:36:35.140 No

01:36:35.640 Okay

01:36:35.860 got it

01:36:36.460 and

01:36:36.660 it's

01:36:36.920 just

01:36:37.100 the

01:36:37.340 history

01:36:38.000 of

01:36:38.200 the

01:36:38.260 Yeah

01:36:38.580 I

01:36:38.920 mean

01:36:39.680 there's

01:36:39.880 a

01:36:39.960 new

01:36:40.100 book

01:36:40.340 out

01:36:40.520 now

01:36:40.740 actually

01:36:41.100 got his

01:36:41.540 boys

01:36:41.820 with

01:36:42.120 Tony

01:36:42.760 DeStefano

01:36:43.420 actually

01:36:44.060 you know

01:36:44.820 I talked

01:36:45.340 to him

01:36:45.620 and

01:36:45.960 I

01:36:46.400 skim

01:36:46.780 it

01:36:46.900 through

01:36:47.000 the

01:36:47.160 book

01:36:47.340 I

01:36:47.480 haven't

01:36:47.620 read

01:36:47.800 it

01:36:47.900 all

01:36:48.080 and

01:36:48.180 it's

01:36:48.320 a

01:36:48.400 pretty

01:36:48.520 good

01:36:48.680 book

01:36:48.900 so

01:36:49.600 you

01:36:49.840 know

01:36:50.020 it's

01:36:51.080 a

01:36:51.180 different

01:36:51.380 perspective

01:36:51.880 he

01:36:52.360 speaks

01:36:52.660 about

01:36:52.920 me

01:36:53.140 in

01:36:53.280 some

01:36:53.460 of

01:36:53.600 the

01:36:53.720 books

01:36:53.820 pretty

01:36:53.960 accurate

01:36:54.300 is

01:36:54.520 some

01:36:54.800 accurate

01:36:55.100 yeah

01:36:55.300 what I

01:36:55.600 read

01:36:55.840 is

01:36:56.120 some

01:36:56.400 of

01:36:56.540 it's

01:36:56.720 accurate

01:36:56.960 some

01:36:57.240 of

01:36:57.360 it's

01:36:57.500 not

01:36:57.800 you

01:36:58.240 know

01:36:58.340 I

01:36:58.500 called

01:36:58.960 him

01:36:59.100 on

01:36:59.260 one

01:36:59.480 of

01:36:59.600 them

01:36:59.740 and

01:36:59.860 it's

01:37:00.060 you

01:37:01.460 know

01:37:01.580 he

01:37:01.740 was

01:37:01.840 talking

01:37:02.060 about

01:37:02.260 Mark

01:37:02.500 Ryder

01:37:02.840 and

01:37:03.000 somebody

01:37:03.920 said

01:37:04.220 because

01:37:04.500 of

01:37:04.620 my

01:37:04.780 age

01:37:05.080 he

01:37:05.580 doesn't

01:37:05.800 believe

01:37:06.040 I

01:37:06.180 was

01:37:06.300 with

01:37:06.500 him

01:37:06.600 and

01:37:07.240 I

01:37:07.360 says

01:37:07.560 to him

01:37:07.800 you know

01:37:07.920 what's

01:37:08.080 funny

01:37:08.340 and I

01:37:09.220 says

01:37:09.400 listen

01:37:10.160 you're

01:37:10.460 never

01:37:10.600 going

01:37:10.760 to

01:37:10.820 get

01:37:10.920 a

01:37:11.040 book

01:37:11.200 completely

01:37:11.580 factual

01:37:12.040 I

01:37:12.800 says

01:37:12.960 Mark

01:37:13.220 Ryder

01:37:13.580 I

01:37:14.000 took

01:37:14.200 him

01:37:14.320 on

01:37:14.460 a

01:37:14.580 run

01:37:14.760 when

01:37:14.960 he

01:37:15.080 went

01:37:15.300 to

01:37:15.720 Disney

01:37:16.040 World

01:37:16.260 I

01:37:16.500 took

01:37:16.700 him

01:37:16.860 when

01:37:17.500 he

01:37:17.600 went

01:37:17.760 to

01:37:17.900 California

01:37:19.000 I

01:37:19.520 took

01:37:19.740 him

01:37:19.880 with

01:37:29.740 and

01:37:30.020 I

01:37:30.180 feel

01:37:30.820 terrible

01:37:31.160 for

01:37:31.420 whatever

01:37:31.680 happened

01:37:31.980 to

01:37:32.120 his

01:37:32.240 life

01:37:32.540 and

01:37:33.200 he

01:37:33.340 lost

01:37:33.620 his

01:37:33.820 son

01:37:34.040 and

01:37:34.880 his

01:37:35.200 son

01:37:35.400 was

01:37:35.620 a

01:37:35.900 great

01:37:36.140 friend

01:37:36.420 of

01:37:36.540 mine

01:37:36.780 and

01:37:37.060 you

01:37:37.340 know

01:37:37.440 they

01:37:37.560 never

01:37:37.760 found

01:37:38.020 the

01:37:38.160 body

01:37:38.420 and

01:37:39.060 you

01:37:39.160 get

01:37:39.300 guys

01:37:39.560 like

01:37:39.840 my

01:37:40.100 other

01:37:40.300 friend

01:37:40.540 and

01:37:40.700 this

01:37:40.860 was

01:37:40.980 the

01:37:41.140 treachery

01:37:41.520 of

01:37:41.600 life

01:37:41.800 Keith

01:37:42.060 Pellegrino

01:37:42.560 since

01:37:43.300 he's

01:37:43.500 a

01:37:43.640 kid

01:37:43.800 he

01:37:43.920 was

01:37:44.040 one

01:37:44.220 of

01:37:44.320 my

01:37:44.440 drug

01:37:44.660 partners

01:37:45.100 I

01:37:45.740 know

01:37:45.940 him

01:37:46.060 I

01:37:46.160 got

01:37:46.320 him

01:37:46.460 guys

01:37:46.780 wanted

01:37:47.040 to

01:37:47.160 hurt

01:37:47.340 him

01:37:47.460 I

01:37:59.740 punk

01:38:00.060 so

01:38:00.960 if

01:38:01.160 it

01:38:01.240 wasn't

01:38:01.520 for

01:38:01.660 me

01:38:01.780 protecting

01:38:02.200 him

01:38:02.420 he

01:38:02.800 would

01:38:02.980 end

01:38:03.140 up

01:38:03.300 dead

01:38:03.480 so

01:38:03.900 how

01:38:04.060 do

01:38:04.160 you

01:38:04.260 do

01:38:04.420 that

01:38:04.640 to

01:38:04.800 one

01:38:04.940 of

01:38:05.040 our

01:38:05.200 friends

01:38:05.520 right

01:38:06.060 so

01:38:06.300 this

01:38:06.940 is

01:38:07.160 why

01:38:07.680 I'm

01:38:07.820 saying

01:38:08.040 to

01:38:08.220 kids

01:38:08.520 get

01:38:09.080 away

01:38:09.280 from

01:38:09.460 this

01:38:09.640 life

01:38:09.920 go

01:38:10.460 play

01:38:10.680 baseball

01:38:11.100 go

01:38:11.360 to

01:38:11.520 school

01:38:11.860 go

01:38:12.180 become

01:38:12.580 a

01:38:12.760 lawyer

01:38:12.980 go

01:38:13.200 become

01:38:13.600 a

01:38:13.860 truck

01:38:14.360 driver

01:38:14.820 do

01:38:15.420 something

01:38:15.780 legitimately

01:38:16.440 do

01:38:16.780 what

01:38:16.920 you're

01:38:17.100 doing

01:38:17.280 journalism

01:38:17.800 but

01:38:18.520 don't

01:38:19.440 end

01:38:19.580 up

01:38:19.740 on

01:38:19.900 the

01:38:20.040 street

01:38:20.260 because

01:38:20.760 there

01:38:21.220 is

01:38:21.400 no

01:38:21.560 true

01:38:21.780 friendships

01:38:22.140 there

01:38:22.460 and

01:38:24.020 I

01:38:24.580 would

01:38:24.760 say

01:38:25.120 a lot

01:38:25.900 of

01:38:26.000 times

01:38:26.140 people

01:38:26.340 ask

01:38:26.580 me

01:38:26.700 why

01:38:27.120 do

01:38:27.220 you

01:38:27.620 interview

01:38:27.880 people

01:38:28.500 in

01:38:29.500 this

01:38:29.700 world

01:38:30.020 and

01:38:30.220 I

01:38:30.360 said

01:38:30.660 first

01:38:31.220 of

01:38:31.320 the

01:38:32.040 interview

01:38:33.760 community

01:38:34.620 the mobster

01:38:35.260 community

01:38:35.780 came purely

01:38:36.500 accidental

01:38:37.060 obviously

01:38:37.420 I grew up

01:38:37.940 with a lot

01:38:38.400 of

01:38:39.100 the

01:38:40.000 history

01:38:40.480 of it

01:38:40.840 studying

01:38:41.240 it

01:38:41.520 the whole

01:38:42.060 godfather

01:38:42.720 it's

01:38:43.000 a very

01:38:44.000 if you

01:38:44.440 ask any

01:38:44.800 CEO

01:38:45.060 entrepreneur

01:38:45.500 a lot

01:38:45.760 of

01:38:45.840 people

01:38:46.000 will

01:38:46.140 say

01:38:46.240 one

01:38:46.400 of

01:38:46.480 the

01:38:46.500 most

01:38:46.660 powerful

01:38:47.420 movies

01:38:47.740 you

01:38:47.840 can

01:38:47.960 watch

01:38:48.200 or

01:38:48.340 learn

01:38:48.480 about

01:38:48.640 business

01:38:48.980 the

01:38:49.160 godfather

01:38:49.660 one

01:38:49.900 and

01:38:50.020 two

01:38:50.100 maybe

01:38:50.260 not

01:38:50.440 three

01:38:50.660 but

01:38:50.800 you

01:38:50.920 can

01:38:51.040 learn

01:38:51.240 a lot

01:38:51.460 about

01:38:51.640 business

01:38:52.020 and

01:38:52.920 it

01:38:53.060 gives

01:38:53.420 different

01:38:53.680 perspectives

01:38:54.220 on

01:38:55.120 what

01:38:55.560 you

01:38:55.680 can

01:38:55.820 do

01:38:55.940 with

01:38:56.080 business

01:38:56.420 but

01:38:56.640 if

01:38:56.940 there's

01:38:57.200 one

01:38:57.440 thing

01:38:57.760 about

01:38:58.520 it

01:38:58.680 is

01:38:58.860 hearing

01:38:59.120 all

01:38:59.360 these

01:38:59.540 different

01:38:59.820 stories

01:39:00.320 and

01:39:01.140 knowing

01:39:01.500 there's

01:39:02.200 always

01:39:02.860 a

01:39:03.200 power play

01:39:03.860 to be

01:39:04.220 done

01:39:04.580 and

01:39:05.500 if

01:39:05.680 you

01:39:05.960 are

01:39:06.140 too

01:39:06.420 naive

01:39:06.800 like

01:39:07.040 you

01:39:07.200 said

01:39:07.400 earlier

01:39:07.760 and

01:39:07.980 you're

01:39:08.120 not

01:39:08.280 anticipating

01:39:09.240 next

01:39:09.700 move

01:39:10.020 and

01:39:10.160 making

01:39:10.460 notes

01:39:11.060 of

01:39:11.800 certain

01:39:12.140 people's

01:39:12.660 behavior

01:39:13.140 in

01:39:13.440 some

01:39:13.640 strange

01:39:13.980 moments

01:39:14.380 it

01:39:14.600 could

01:39:14.760 catch

01:39:15.020 up

01:39:15.180 to

01:39:15.300 you

01:39:15.380 that

01:39:15.520 could

01:39:15.640 happen

01:39:15.880 in

01:39:16.020 business

01:39:16.380 just

01:39:17.280 like

01:39:17.480 it

01:39:17.580 is

01:39:17.700 in

01:39:17.820 your

01:39:17.960 world

01:39:18.180 the

01:39:18.360 difference

01:39:18.680 is

01:39:18.840 in

01:39:18.960 your

01:39:19.100 world

01:39:19.280 you

01:39:19.400 could

01:39:19.520 get

01:39:19.680 killed

01:39:20.040 in

01:39:20.680 a

01:39:20.780 business

01:39:21.060 world

01:39:21.280 you're

01:39:21.460 put out

01:39:21.720 of

01:39:21.820 business

01:39:22.180 well

01:39:22.480 you know

01:39:22.960 I

01:39:42.660 guys

01:39:43.080 left

01:39:43.520 them

01:39:43.760 left

01:39:44.980 them

01:39:45.200 and

01:39:45.800 they

01:39:45.960 didn't

01:39:46.180 retaliate

01:39:46.820 with

01:39:47.000 them

01:39:47.120 afterwards

01:39:47.580 and

01:39:47.840 they

01:39:47.960 didn't

01:39:48.140 try

01:39:48.380 to

01:39:48.540 now

01:39:48.780 they're

01:39:48.980 talking

01:39:49.360 these

01:39:50.020 same

01:39:50.420 guys

01:39:50.780 had

01:39:51.000 the

01:39:51.140 opportunity

01:39:51.780 and

01:39:52.340 this

01:39:52.500 is

01:39:52.620 why

01:39:52.760 I'm

01:39:52.880 telling

01:39:53.040 kids

01:39:53.300 not

01:39:53.540 even

01:39:53.780 just

01:39:54.080 one

01:39:54.420 end

01:39:54.680 the

01:39:54.980 other

01:39:55.160 the

01:39:55.360 guys

01:39:55.620 I

01:39:55.760 even

01:39:56.000 hurt

01:39:56.360 or

01:39:56.600 guys

01:39:56.860 you

01:39:57.020 know

01:39:57.100 I

01:39:57.280 respect

01:39:57.740 I'm

01:39:59.480 trying

01:39:59.720 to

01:39:59.880 say

01:40:00.140 even

01:40:00.460 the

01:40:00.620 guys

01:40:00.880 like

01:40:01.340 that

01:40:01.680 look

01:40:02.620 what's

01:40:02.920 going

01:40:03.180 on

01:40:03.440 to

01:40:03.740 them

01:40:04.080 where's

01:40:04.640 their

01:40:04.820 friends

01:40:05.140 when

01:40:05.320 they

01:40:05.480 needed

01:40:05.720 them

01:40:05.880 there

01:40:06.640 was

01:40:06.760 a

01:40:06.880 guy

01:40:07.420 at

01:40:07.600 the

01:40:07.720 time

01:40:07.920 Jerry

01:40:08.220 was

01:40:08.780 with

01:40:08.980 him

01:40:09.100 standing

01:40:09.540 with

01:40:09.800 him

01:40:09.900 and

01:40:09.980 I

01:40:10.100 told

01:40:10.220 him

01:40:10.320 get

01:40:10.480 lost

01:40:10.820 or

01:40:10.980 I

01:40:11.040 hurt

01:40:11.300 you

01:40:11.440 too

01:40:11.680 and

01:40:12.520 he

01:40:12.620 walked

01:40:12.960 his

01:40:13.920 father

01:40:14.180 just

01:40:14.440 got

01:40:14.640 basically

01:40:15.420 a life

01:40:15.760 sentence

01:40:16.080 for

01:40:16.240 any

01:40:16.320 Sarah

01:40:16.560 they

01:40:16.740 accused

01:40:17.000 him

01:40:17.120 of

01:40:17.180 being

01:40:17.280 involved

01:40:17.600 with

01:40:18.400 the

01:40:18.580 ladanzas

01:40:19.080 and stuff

01:40:20.140 but his

01:40:21.220 son

01:40:21.480 so

01:40:22.000 and his

01:40:22.600 other

01:40:22.780 friend

01:40:23.060 Frankie

01:40:23.420 now

01:40:23.760 is

01:40:23.920 in the

01:40:24.120 neighborhood

01:40:24.380 with

01:40:24.600 a big

01:40:24.880 mouth

01:40:25.120 where were

01:40:25.480 you

01:40:25.600 when

01:40:25.760 he

01:40:25.860 needed

01:40:26.100 you

01:40:26.300 where

01:40:35.480 pistol

01:40:35.760 so

01:40:36.560 I'm

01:40:37.540 trying

01:40:37.760 to

01:40:37.900 say

01:40:38.020 the

01:40:38.180 same

01:40:38.400 thing

01:40:38.620 over

01:40:38.920 and

01:40:39.080 over

01:40:39.300 and

01:40:39.420 over

01:40:39.620 again

01:40:39.940 as

01:40:40.220 much

01:40:40.460 as

01:40:40.600 I

01:40:40.740 can

01:40:41.040 these

01:40:42.320 kids

01:40:42.620 need

01:40:42.920 to

01:40:43.100 understand

01:40:43.720 stay

01:40:44.680 away

01:40:44.960 from

01:40:45.140 this

01:40:45.300 life

01:40:45.500 because

01:40:45.740 they

01:40:45.920 think

01:40:46.700 just

01:40:47.220 like

01:40:47.460 I

01:40:47.660 did

01:40:47.800 as

01:40:47.960 a

01:40:48.100 kid

01:40:48.300 and

01:40:48.740 it's

01:40:48.880 very

01:40:49.120 hard

01:40:49.380 to

01:40:49.800 understand

01:40:50.160 the

01:40:51.500 movie

01:40:53.900 Goodfellas

01:40:54.780 and you

01:40:55.080 go out

01:40:55.560 and the

01:40:55.840 ladies

01:40:56.200 and the

01:40:56.960 cars

01:40:57.460 and all

01:40:57.760 that

01:40:57.960 stuff

01:40:58.120 which

01:40:58.280 part

01:40:58.580 of

01:40:58.920 it

01:40:59.020 is

01:40:59.160 true

01:40:59.360 I

01:40:59.500 mean

01:40:59.600 when I

01:40:59.880 talk

01:41:00.100 to

01:41:00.220 a lot

01:41:05.480 when

01:41:07.280 I

01:41:07.420 sat

01:41:07.740 in

01:41:07.840 that

01:41:07.980 cell

01:41:08.240 alone

01:41:08.680 and

01:41:09.040 it

01:41:09.120 was

01:41:09.260 all

01:41:09.500 over

01:41:09.820 every

01:41:10.860 one

01:41:11.140 of

01:41:11.240 my

01:41:11.440 friends

01:41:11.860 in

01:41:12.180 that

01:41:12.400 life

01:41:12.740 started

01:41:13.060 ratting

01:41:13.400 on

01:41:13.560 me

01:41:13.680 all

01:41:14.060 of

01:41:14.180 them

01:41:14.340 like

01:41:14.820 50

01:41:15.160 guys

01:41:15.560 50

01:41:16.140 something

01:41:16.460 actually

01:41:16.900 they

01:41:17.400 all

01:41:17.600 went

01:41:17.720 to

01:41:17.820 the

01:41:17.920 grand

01:41:18.120 jury

01:41:18.340 on

01:41:18.600 me

01:41:18.700 you

01:41:19.140 can

01:41:19.280 check

01:41:19.580 with

01:41:19.780 Florida

01:41:20.240 middle

01:41:21.100 district

01:41:21.420 of

01:41:21.580 Florida

01:41:21.800 and

01:41:21.940 ask

01:41:22.140 them

01:41:22.220 because

01:41:22.860 when

01:41:23.260 these

01:41:23.440 conversations

01:41:24.000 started

01:41:24.420 I

01:41:24.580 think

01:41:24.740 it was

01:41:24.900 54

01:41:25.360 was

01:41:25.640 the

01:41:25.800 number

01:41:26.020 that

01:41:26.540 ratted

01:41:26.800 on

01:41:26.900 me

01:41:27.000 all

01:41:27.420 these

01:41:27.640 mob

01:41:35.480 other

01:41:35.800 friends

01:41:36.120 that

01:41:36.260 were

01:41:36.360 from

01:41:36.540 the

01:41:36.700 street

01:41:36.940 that

01:41:37.140 weren't

01:41:37.420 killers

01:41:37.780 but

01:41:37.960 they

01:41:38.080 were

01:41:38.220 playing

01:41:39.160 around

01:41:39.440 on

01:41:39.580 the

01:41:39.620 street

01:41:39.780 with

01:41:39.960 drugs

01:41:40.200 and

01:41:40.300 there

01:41:40.940 was

01:41:41.140 nobody

01:41:41.500 near

01:41:41.800 me

01:41:41.980 I

01:41:42.080 was

01:41:42.220 alone

01:41:42.600 in

01:41:42.820 a

01:41:42.980 cell

01:41:43.220 and

01:41:44.180 I

01:41:44.300 tell

01:41:44.640 you

01:41:44.760 like

01:41:44.960 I

01:41:45.120 tell

01:41:45.320 everybody

01:41:45.740 because

01:41:46.100 if

01:41:46.260 you're

01:41:46.420 going

01:41:46.520 to

01:41:46.580 be

01:41:46.720 fake

01:41:47.080 you

01:41:47.380 can't

01:41:47.960 talk

01:41:48.220 to

01:41:48.360 kids

01:41:48.600 and

01:41:49.200 you're

01:41:49.360 sitting

01:41:49.520 in

01:41:49.660 that

01:41:49.820 cell

01:41:50.160 and

01:41:50.480 you're

01:41:50.680 crying

01:41:51.000 and I

01:41:51.500 like

01:41:51.700 when

01:41:51.840 somebody

01:41:52.100 said

01:41:52.300 did

01:41:52.460 you

01:41:52.560 cry

01:41:52.820 yeah

01:41:53.040 I'm

01:41:53.140 man

01:41:53.400 I'm

01:41:53.580 not

01:41:53.700 a

01:41:53.800 robot

01:41:54.040 of

01:41:54.280 course

01:41:54.440 I

01:41:54.600 cried

01:41:54.880 and

01:41:55.400 I

01:41:55.500 said

01:41:55.580 well

01:41:55.720 you

01:41:55.840 did

01:41:56.020 this

01:41:56.220 you

01:41:56.340 did

01:41:56.500 that

01:41:56.680 I'm

01:41:56.820 not

01:41:56.960 asking

01:41:57.200 anybody

01:41:57.480 to

01:41:57.600 feel

01:41:57.720 bad

01:41:57.980 for

01:41:58.120 me

01:41:58.320 I

01:41:59.040 says

01:41:59.220 that's

01:41:59.440 not

01:41:59.560 why

01:41:59.700 I'm

01:41:59.820 saying

01:42:00.100 it

01:42:00.260 I'm

01:42:00.500 saying

01:42:00.720 it

01:42:00.840 to

01:42:00.960 kids

01:42:01.260 so

01:42:01.380 they

01:42:01.540 understand

01:42:02.140 right

01:42:02.600 that

01:42:03.000 this

01:42:03.360 ain't

01:42:03.560 all

01:42:03.780 about

01:42:04.080 that

01:42:04.400 and

01:42:04.920 when

01:42:05.120 your

01:42:05.280 kids

01:42:05.520 aren't

01:42:05.780 seeing

01:42:06.080 you

01:42:06.220 and

01:42:06.320 I

01:42:06.440 didn't

01:42:06.580 see

01:42:06.740 two

01:42:07.680 of

01:42:08.700 of

01:42:08.720 them

01:42:08.820 for

01:42:08.980 10

01:42:09.220 years

01:42:09.520 you

01:42:10.800 know

01:42:10.940 so

01:42:11.140 I

01:42:11.300 disagreements

01:42:12.040 with

01:42:12.200 the

01:42:12.320 mom

01:42:12.560 and

01:42:12.700 I'm

01:42:13.500 friends

01:42:13.760 with

01:42:13.920 her

01:42:14.020 now

01:42:14.200 reconciliation

01:42:14.960 she's

01:42:15.580 remarried

01:42:16.020 but

01:42:16.660 this

01:42:18.080 is

01:42:18.240 the

01:42:18.380 reality

01:42:18.800 of

01:42:19.060 the

01:42:19.220 life

01:42:19.560 that

01:42:19.800 the

01:42:19.980 kids

01:42:20.160 got

01:42:20.360 to

01:42:20.480 understand

01:42:20.900 and

01:42:21.260 when

01:42:21.440 my

01:42:21.660 uncle

01:42:21.960 died

01:42:22.380 he

01:42:23.120 was

01:42:23.320 like

01:42:23.480 my

01:42:23.660 father

01:42:23.960 I

01:42:24.160 lived

01:42:24.380 with

01:42:24.520 him

01:42:24.620 in

01:42:24.760 California

01:42:25.320 I

01:42:26.320 didn't

01:42:26.560 see

01:42:26.880 him

01:42:27.060 I

01:42:27.360 never

01:42:27.520 get

01:42:27.680 to

01:42:27.820 say

01:42:27.960 goodbye

01:42:28.260 to

01:42:28.460 him

01:42:28.620 and

01:42:29.020 you

01:42:29.160 you

01:42:29.320 sitting

01:42:29.580 in

01:42:29.700 that

01:42:29.840 cell

01:42:30.020 and

01:42:30.140 you

01:42:30.220 crying

01:42:30.440 your

01:42:30.600 eyes

01:42:30.740 and

01:42:31.240 there's

01:42:31.420 times

01:42:40.940 I

01:42:41.160 stood

01:42:41.440 on

01:42:41.580 my

01:42:41.720 two

01:42:41.900 feet

01:42:42.160 and

01:42:42.320 I

01:42:42.440 gotta

01:42:42.600 accept

01:42:43.000 everything

01:42:43.400 but

01:42:44.120 the

01:42:44.340 reality

01:42:44.720 of

01:42:44.900 a

01:42:45.020 kid

01:42:45.160 that

01:42:45.320 wants

01:42:45.500 to

01:42:45.620 go

01:42:45.740 in

01:42:45.840 the

01:42:45.940 street

01:42:46.160 is

01:42:46.400 I

01:43:10.940 got

01:43:11.680 fan

01:43:12.060 guys

01:43:12.420 that

01:43:12.660 write

01:43:13.180 me

01:43:13.340 on

01:43:13.460 a

01:43:13.560 constant

01:43:13.820 basis

01:43:14.280 I

01:43:14.940 said

01:43:15.100 I

01:43:15.240 shouldn't

01:43:15.460 use

01:43:15.620 the

01:43:15.720 word

01:43:15.860 fan

01:43:16.140 I

01:43:16.420 said

01:43:16.540 because

01:43:16.720 I

01:43:16.840 respect

01:43:17.180 them

01:43:17.420 for

01:43:17.580 writing

01:43:17.800 me

01:43:17.980 from

01:43:18.180 jail

01:43:18.480 and

01:43:18.720 they

01:43:18.860 tell

01:43:19.140 me

01:43:19.280 we

01:43:19.460 wish

01:43:19.720 we

01:43:19.920 could

01:43:20.120 be

01:43:20.400 man

01:43:20.660 enough

01:43:20.920 for

01:43:21.120 doing

01:43:21.280 what

01:43:21.440 you're

01:43:21.620 doing

01:43:21.880 and

01:43:22.440 I

01:43:22.580 said

01:43:22.700 it

01:43:22.780 took

01:43:22.880 me

01:43:23.020 a

01:43:23.120 long

01:43:23.300 time

01:43:23.580 to

01:43:23.720 be

01:43:23.860 a

01:43:24.000 man

01:43:24.180 like

01:43:24.400 this

01:43:24.640 it's

01:43:24.860 easy

01:43:25.060 doing

01:43:25.300 the

01:43:25.420 other

01:43:25.540 stuff

01:43:25.840 I'll

01:43:26.060 say

01:43:26.200 it

01:43:26.320 over

01:43:26.480 again

01:43:26.760 easy

01:43:27.080 to

01:43:27.700 shoot

01:43:27.940 and

01:43:28.120 kill

01:43:28.280 this

01:43:28.760 is

01:43:28.880 the

01:43:29.040 hard

01:43:29.240 part

01:43:29.540 to

01:43:30.280 admit

01:43:30.560 all

01:43:30.740 this

01:43:30.900 stuff

01:43:31.160 and

01:43:31.300 try

01:43:31.460 to

01:43:31.620 convince

01:43:32.060 some

01:43:32.340 kids

01:43:32.620 if you

01:43:32.880 can

01:43:33.020 save

01:43:33.260 one

01:43:33.460 or

01:43:33.580 two

01:43:33.800 this

01:43:34.720 is

01:43:34.840 terrible

01:43:35.140 time

01:43:35.420 to

01:43:35.540 want

01:43:35.660 to

01:43:35.760 live

01:43:35.860 that

01:43:36.020 life

01:43:36.220 because

01:43:36.480 you

01:43:36.640 got

01:43:36.900 300

01:43:37.820 million

01:43:38.240 cameras

01:43:38.940 everywhere

01:43:39.860 you got

01:43:41.060 300

01:43:41.400 million

01:43:41.700 cameras

01:43:42.200 everybody's

01:43:42.740 doing

01:43:42.920 live

01:43:43.240 everything

01:43:43.600 is

01:43:44.260 recorded

01:43:44.860 everybody's

01:43:45.420 walking

01:43:45.700 over to

01:43:46.000 record

01:43:46.240 it's

01:43:46.400 a

01:43:46.500 terrible

01:43:46.700 time

01:43:46.940 to

01:43:47.080 do

01:43:47.240 it

01:43:47.460 but

01:43:47.760 watch

01:43:48.020 the

01:43:48.180 news

01:43:48.400 right

01:43:48.640 and

01:43:48.980 I'm

01:43:49.100 not

01:43:49.220 even

01:43:49.360 talking

01:43:49.580 about

01:43:49.780 gangsters

01:43:50.180 just

01:43:50.380 criminals

01:43:50.740 doing

01:43:51.680 dumb

01:43:52.000 shit

01:43:52.220 and

01:43:52.420 they

01:43:52.520 know

01:43:52.660 there's

01:43:52.800 a

01:43:52.920 camera

01:43:53.180 there

01:43:53.340 and

01:43:53.420 they

01:43:53.500 still

01:43:53.720 do

01:43:53.920 it

01:43:54.080 and

01:43:54.720 they

01:43:54.840 almost

01:43:55.080 saying

01:43:55.300 cheese

01:43:55.660 on

01:43:55.820 the

01:43:55.960 camera

01:43:56.240 and

01:43:56.360 they're

01:43:56.440 walking

01:43:56.680 down

01:43:56.880 the

01:43:57.040 block

01:43:57.160 obviously

01:43:58.260 there's

01:43:58.500 a lot

01:43:58.740 of

01:43:58.860 fools

01:43:59.060 but

01:43:59.260 one

01:43:59.500 of

01:43:59.620 the

01:43:59.820 great

01:44:00.520 equalizers

01:44:01.220 I

01:44:01.700 believe

01:44:02.260 of

01:44:03.020 getting

01:44:03.320 people

01:44:03.700 to

01:44:03.880 not

01:44:04.200 want

01:44:04.500 to

01:44:04.640 go

01:44:05.060 in

01:44:05.160 that

01:44:05.280 direction

01:44:05.620 of

01:44:05.740 a

01:44:05.840 life

01:44:06.060 is

01:44:06.360 social

01:44:06.680 media

01:44:07.020 I

01:44:07.240 think

01:44:07.420 that's

01:44:07.680 that's

01:44:07.920 social

01:44:08.360 media

01:44:08.600 and

01:44:08.720 smartphones

01:44:09.100 have

01:44:09.280 changed

01:44:09.460 again

01:44:09.660 John

01:44:10.320 what

01:44:10.940 book

01:44:11.500 are you

01:44:11.960 currently

01:44:12.380 working

01:44:12.800 on

01:44:13.040 that

01:44:13.180 we

01:44:13.300 can

01:44:13.440 share

01:44:13.640 with

01:44:13.800 our

01:44:13.920 audience

01:44:14.260 if

01:44:14.440 there

01:44:14.560 was

01:44:14.720 one

01:44:14.960 book

01:44:15.160 we

01:44:15.300 could

01:44:15.420 share

01:44:15.580 which

01:44:15.780 one

01:44:15.940 would

01:44:16.040 it

01:44:16.100 well

01:44:16.360 it's

01:44:16.820 this

01:44:17.260 is

01:44:17.480 Susan

01:44:17.940 Pike

01:44:18.300 with

01:44:18.640 me

01:44:18.880 it's

01:44:19.100 called

01:44:20.060 Darkest

01:44:21.060 Hour

01:44:21.300 this is going to be a series

01:44:22.480 Darkest Hour 2 and 3

01:44:23.580 this was a set up book

01:44:25.900 after Gotti's Rules

01:44:26.780 because I did Gotti's Rules

01:44:27.860 with George Anastasia

01:44:28.840 and the set up book

01:44:30.200 we don't really talk about my childhood

01:44:32.120 this is a set up book

01:44:33.100 for 2 and 3

01:44:34.320 and 2 and 3

01:44:34.900 I'm going to really get into

01:44:36.020 all these things

01:44:37.040 I'm talking about

01:44:37.620 shootings

01:44:37.920 I'm going to get into more

01:44:38.820 but this book

01:44:39.980 different than the first

01:44:41.360 Gotti's Rules

01:44:42.080 is

01:44:43.000 I'm going to list

01:44:43.820 just like I did

01:44:44.700 names

01:44:45.080 like I just did

01:44:45.840 now

01:44:46.200 and I'm going to make sure

01:44:47.840 that there's going to be people

01:44:48.920 that were there

01:44:49.820 witnesses

01:44:50.280 if somebody wants to contact

01:44:51.500 and see the truthfulness

01:44:52.380 I guess they can contact them

01:44:53.880 and then I'm going to do

01:44:54.880 a scorecard

01:44:55.500 of every gangster

01:44:56.220 I mentioned in that book

01:44:57.260 how many armed robberies

01:44:58.880 they did

01:44:59.180 how many actual shootings

01:45:00.060 they did themselves

01:45:00.880 what are they about

01:45:01.800 you're going to piss off

01:45:02.760 a lot of people

01:45:03.280 if they're alive

01:45:04.060 you're going to piss off

01:45:04.680 a lot of those

01:45:05.280 it's going to be interesting

01:45:06.960 for them to come back

01:45:07.780 and say that's not true

01:45:08.760 I did this many

01:45:09.540 I had this many numbers

01:45:10.200 who's going to say

01:45:10.520 if I say Carmine Ignello

01:45:12.040 I'm going to use him

01:45:12.780 because he had a big mouth

01:45:13.940 over the years

01:45:14.540 right

01:45:15.260 the brother-in-law

01:45:15.960 yeah

01:45:16.220 and he ran to Cleveland

01:45:17.260 and his courtroom

01:45:18.000 got shut down

01:45:18.700 and a 16 count indictment

01:45:19.960 that does not go away

01:45:20.980 and I guess somebody

01:45:21.680 can talk to

01:45:22.300 Julianne

01:45:23.720 he's the one

01:45:24.040 that was married

01:45:24.460 to his sister

01:45:25.000 yeah

01:45:25.340 never yet used a gun

01:45:27.360 in his life

01:45:27.920 so

01:45:28.400 who's he going to

01:45:29.180 all of a sudden

01:45:29.700 get balls up

01:45:30.340 and get a gun

01:45:30.820 and come looking for me

01:45:31.680 so

01:45:32.380 you know

01:45:33.340 to me

01:45:33.820 I'm just going to

01:45:35.020 bring out

01:45:35.460 let these guys

01:45:36.200 and if you want to

01:45:37.240 do the right thing

01:45:38.040 maybe you should

01:45:38.760 talk to your kids

01:45:39.400 and tell them

01:45:39.860 the same thing

01:45:40.340 and other kids

01:45:40.940 let's not follow

01:45:42.040 this life

01:45:42.580 because

01:45:43.280 I got nothing

01:45:45.280 against any of their kids

01:45:46.300 you know

01:45:46.700 I hope their kids

01:45:47.460 don't ever follow us

01:45:48.480 and I hope my kids

01:45:49.820 do the same

01:45:50.460 and I've had problems

01:45:51.820 with one of my sons

01:45:52.520 so you know

01:45:53.200 the reality is

01:45:54.660 break the cycle

01:45:56.020 right

01:45:56.740 this is a terrible time

01:45:57.940 to want to go

01:45:58.480 that life

01:45:59.000 terrible time

01:46:00.280 to want to go

01:46:00.720 that route

01:46:01.200 John

01:46:02.640 again

01:46:03.380 thank you

01:46:03.860 for flying out

01:46:04.420 to Dallas

01:46:04.800 to do this sit down

01:46:05.740 thanks for coming up

01:46:06.640 thank you too

01:46:07.140 appreciate you

01:46:08.100 thanks everybody

01:46:09.080 for listening

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Valuetainment - October 23, 2019

Episode 382： John Gotti’s Hitman Exposes The Dark Side of Mafia

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