Valuetainment - March 24, 2026


ā€œEpstein Was Murdering Peopleļ¼Ÿā€ - Ex-Epstein Employee EXPOSES Bizarre Bed Request


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This episode is brought to you by The Dark Side Of, a Parcast Original. This week, Adam and Jon talk to a former employee of Jeffrey Epstein who claims to have seen evidence of child sex trafficking on Epstein's island.

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00:00:30.000 Have you guys seen what CNN showed when they worked with one of their interior designers?
00:00:37.360 I'm not the interior designer.
00:00:39.840 CNN played a clip this weekend.
00:00:42.040 They went and interviewed this guy who was the guy who was the interior designer.
00:00:47.680 He would decorate a bedroom on the island for Epstein.
00:00:51.860 This video went viral when they did this interview.
00:00:55.180 I don't know if you've seen this clip.
00:00:56.220 Have you seen this yet?
00:00:57.020 I'm glad you haven't, Tom.
00:00:58.280 I want you to see this.
00:00:59.780 Adam, I want you to see this clip as well.
00:01:01.340 Rob, if you want to pull it up, he sounds like a very, just an honest man who's saying,
00:01:06.360 here's what I noticed, and I eventually have to say, I can't work for you anymore.
00:01:09.880 Watch what he was talking about.
00:01:12.060 Very, very apparent.
00:01:14.780 Very disturbing.
00:01:16.460 Not any disturbing visual.
00:01:18.260 Very disturbing what messages he's given.
00:01:20.060 Go ahead.
00:01:21.320 Bring up a couple races.
00:01:22.820 Oh.
00:01:26.360 There were bunk beds.
00:01:27.980 And I said to him, he said, oh, my God, are you expecting grandchildren?
00:01:31.740 And he said, no, these are for the girls.
00:01:35.300 That's architect and interior designer Robert Couturier.
00:01:38.800 He was hired by Jeffrey Epstein in 2010 to work on his islet.
00:01:43.160 He worked for a few months and then he quit.
00:01:46.460 Couturier told the FBI that one of the reasons he decided to quit were those specific demands from Epstein.
00:01:53.100 Especially for the bunk rooms, they had to be for girls. 1.00
00:01:56.720 and pink and this sort of things.
00:01:59.960 So there's no mistaking this wasn't for women. 0.97
00:02:02.620 There's no mistaking.
00:02:04.020 You don't put women on bunk beds, I'm sorry. 1.00
00:02:06.760 There was another little room with computers,
00:02:08.860 and I said, what is this room?
00:02:10.260 And he said, this room is for the girls when they have fun,
00:02:13.900 and they play with their computers.
00:02:16.240 The whole house was very odd because we were on the beach,
00:02:19.100 and the house had heavy dark curtains everywhere.
00:02:23.020 The windows were never really open.
00:02:25.380 It felt, it felt terrible.
00:02:28.340 The girls and the young women who went on the island were basic prisoners. 0.97
00:02:33.140 You couldn't leave.
00:02:34.680 We dug through the files released by the Department of Justice
00:02:37.480 and found the pictures and videos that show the signs of something being off on the island,
00:02:43.080 even as rich and powerful guests visited.
00:02:46.180 Those signs were impossible to ignore, says this designer.
00:02:50.980 What do you think about the people who did go to the island
00:02:54.520 and say they never saw anything?
00:02:57.760 Listen, I think you can decide that you're blind.
00:03:01.360 You can decide that you only want to see what you want to see.
00:03:04.540 But the idea that a person would go to that island
00:03:07.580 and not see something weird is impossible to me.
00:03:10.980 For me to have seen it, everybody else had to see it.
00:03:15.560 When you think back to how obvious it was to you,
00:03:20.220 Do you wonder about, you know, no one saying anything back then?
00:03:26.880 I've been wondering for the last 16 years.
00:03:29.640 If in 2010 I knew it and we all knew it and I was interrogated and nothing happened.
00:03:35.060 And that we could have saved so many young women that wouldn't have had to go through what they went through.
00:03:44.220 Hmm.
00:03:45.320 Vinny.
00:03:45.620 I mean, do we need more proof of what this person was?
00:03:50.220 and what he was doing and potentially who he was working for
00:03:53.160 and what the objective was.
00:03:54.260 Do you know that Zorro Ranch, they're actively right now looking for dead bodies
00:03:58.840 in the hills of foreign girls that were allegedly strangled and killed?
00:04:03.220 This thing is so ā€“ I get there's a bunch of ā€“
00:04:05.380 In New Mexico Ranch.
00:04:06.140 In New Mexico Ranch.
00:04:06.880 There's so much going on for bunk beds.
00:04:08.760 I believe that guy.
00:04:09.900 I believe that guy 100% what he's talking about and the fact that, you know,
00:04:13.460 bunk beds, he's like, these aren't for women. 1.00
00:04:15.060 These are for children.
00:04:16.720 Who knows on that island, Pat?
00:04:17.880 Who knows what the dentist's office was?
00:04:21.540 Like I said this before, when you're sexually trafficking these girls 0.99
00:04:26.480 and these young kids from all over the place,
00:04:28.500 and they're with a high-profile person, client, whoever these people were,
00:04:33.460 you cannot let them go back into the public knowing that I remember that face.
00:04:37.940 I remember that face because they become a liability,
00:04:40.320 and you've got to get rid of them.
00:04:41.740 And that's the sad truth.
00:04:43.040 And on an island like that that had trap doors and the ocean is there
00:04:47.100 and nobody, nobody monitoring him.
00:04:49.820 I'm pretty sure he had all law enforcement,
00:04:51.540 everybody in his back pocket. 0.81
00:04:54.240 I think it's disgusting.
00:04:55.540 And I think the fact that, you know,
00:04:57.840 Pam Bondi and all these people have shifted
00:04:59.420 and nobody's even talking about it.
00:05:01.160 I'm so happy you brought it up again.
00:05:02.640 Just to keep reeling everybody to come back in,
00:05:05.120 do not forget about what this guy was.
00:05:07.220 Do not forget about the people
00:05:08.620 and the organizations that he worked for.
00:05:10.440 And please don't forget about the little girls
00:05:13.640 and the women that were trafficked, abused, raped, 0.98
00:05:18.080 and a lot of them potentially murdered.
00:05:20.000 And that's the hard truth.
00:05:22.420 Tom, you think they were murdered?
00:05:25.520 Do I believe that they were murdered?
00:05:27.320 1,000%.
00:05:28.680 You know, you say don't say 100%.
00:05:30.500 Adam, there's no way you could take a child, 13, 14, 15, 18, whatever,
00:05:34.700 and have them hook up with Mr. X, who's widely known in the world.
00:05:39.200 I'm not even going to say a name.
00:05:40.440 You could just pick a name, and then you go, okay, little girl,
00:05:43.640 go back to your country or go back to the United States 1.00
00:05:46.140 or go back to being homeless,
00:05:47.820 and we trust that you're never going to say anything.
00:05:50.280 I believe that, Adam, when you mess with evil like that,
00:05:54.720 evil does what evil does.
00:05:56.280 And it's not ā€“ life, human life to us is so important, Adam,
00:06:00.300 because we're not in that world.
00:06:01.500 To them, it's expendable.
00:06:03.420 And the way that you hear these emails
00:06:04.740 and hear how they were talking about people and human beings,
00:06:07.580 it's really, really ā€“ it's a sad truth.
00:06:09.700 And by the way, I respect your opinion,
00:06:11.000 but you mean that he's down there having parties, inviting women,
00:06:14.420 doing whatever he is sexually, and then you think he goes and murders them?
00:06:19.220 I'm not saying all of them, but I think if the client was...
00:06:23.380 One is too many.
00:06:24.460 I mean, if you're asking how many, let's say one.
00:06:25.980 I fully agree.
00:06:26.620 And why are there law enforcement digging in the dirt?
00:06:29.700 But I'm curious, where are you going with it?
00:06:31.040 You don't believe that happened.
00:06:32.660 Well, I'd love to hear his opinion, and then I'll go.
00:06:35.440 No, no, you started the conversation.
00:06:37.800 Then you went with it.
00:06:39.460 You jumped in.
00:06:40.020 if let's let's remove everything we know about epstein and just focus on this video because
00:06:46.260 that's what you wanted to do this video yeah this video is the least compelling video i've ever seen
00:06:50.280 in my life because he has bunk beds let me tell you something with no kids with no children let
00:06:55.440 me explain something to you my friend this is the beauty of living in south beach and living in the
00:06:59.540 nightlife world my whole life do you know how many apartments i know in miami that are model
00:07:04.520 apartments that have bunk beds all of them all these women come down here work for uh wilhelmina 1.00
00:07:11.420 or cmg or this thing or uh kathleen gleason all these model m2 all these modeling uh agencies
00:07:20.960 dozens of them dozens of them okay and they all have hundreds of models and they have a two-bedroom
00:07:26.900 apartment so what do they do for all the models boom eight models are living in an apartment 0.97
00:07:31.180 how are they going to do that boom bunk beds so if you're cheating to tell me that because they got
00:07:37.100 bunk beds for that epstein is murdering people children children you're saying it's children 0.93
00:07:42.160 i'm saying they're models based on my experience no you didn't you didn't hear the interview the 0.95
00:07:46.620 girl said they're not for when the guy said that's some random gay french guys like i don't know as
00:07:51.440 a bunk beds i'll fall i'm letting you know just on this video if all you got is he got bunk beds
00:07:57.080 you can have literally 10 000 models in america say yeah i've slept on a bunk bed yeah i've slept
00:08:03.660 on a bunk bed by the way you know where else they have bunk beds you ever been to a college dorm
00:08:07.780 they got bunk beds everywhere all i'm saying is this we have to use discretion if we're gonna do
00:08:13.420 everything and throw epstein down the he's the devil i get it but if your only evidence is like
00:08:18.820 yeah there's bunk beds we're gonna have to do a little bit better i i think the i think besides
00:08:23.560 of bunk beds adam and and i i understand what you're saying and that in this one video this
00:08:27.200 isn't oh my god this isn't blowing the lid off of everything but when when she's saying
00:08:31.040 little chairs and little computers for kids to be playing epstein didn't have any kids i do
00:08:36.240 understand i'll play devil's advocate people did fly there lutnaker whoever came there with their
00:08:41.440 children so i could understand that angle of it but from from what we've seen from the droves of
00:08:47.940 freaking emails and everything that with and they're all talking code talk with eating jerky 0.66
00:08:52.980 and beef $20,000 this and pizza
00:08:55.160 this and pizza that. Adam. There's a lot
00:08:57.120 of smoke. Adam, there's a lot
00:08:59.040 of smoke, but at the same token, where
00:09:00.980 are thousands of people
00:09:03.140 were there? Thousands of people and
00:09:04.960 multiple, multiple women. Where are they? 1.00
00:09:07.640 They should be speaking out. Adam, if
00:09:09.020 I saw, let's just say, figuratively
00:09:10.840 speaking, allegedly, Bill Clinton
00:09:13.000 and I am one of these girls and
00:09:14.940 something crazy happened in front of me, you know what I'm doing?
00:09:17.220 I'm going to go out there and I'm going to talk
00:09:18.780 unless, Adam, she's not around anymore
00:09:21.120 and she's not because Adam did you see that video of this trap doors under an ocean ready for this
00:09:25.940 that's they're not scuba diving down there you take a body at them and you just throw the
00:09:30.660 incinerators hold on funeral palm dentistry you pull out their teeth and you let them go you
00:09:35.840 hold on let me ask you one question you think Jeffrey Epstein what we found out about him
00:09:40.340 has the power to do something where he's like okay listen this person just hooked up with the
00:09:45.980 freaking high-ranking you know prince or something we got to get rid of her it's whatever 0.97
00:09:50.820 You don't think he's capable, he was capable of doing something like that?
00:09:54.520 If he's this evil with hooking up with underage girls?
00:09:57.960 Obviously, like Pat said, one murder is one too many. 0.99
00:10:02.440 There's a lot of, well, there's bunk beds, so he's got to be murdering women. 0.97
00:10:07.020 There's a trap door that he's got to be murdering. 0.93
00:10:09.640 We go to the furthest extreme.
00:10:12.160 Listen, this may be controversial. 0.99
00:10:13.960 I think Epstein was a sick pervert who liked 16-year-old girls. 0.99
00:10:18.140 That's my thing. 1.00
00:10:18.640 And that's it?
00:10:20.560 That's what I think he was doing.
00:10:21.980 You don't think that?
00:10:22.540 And then I think he was using these 16-year-old girls and entrapping men, maybe blackmailing them.
00:10:27.280 Okay.
00:10:27.580 But there's no evidence that he's some weirdo who's going into baby cribs and doing stuff like that.
00:10:32.700 The whole thing that he had with the massages, paying these high school girls $200, $200.
00:10:37.640 By the way, these girls are complicit. 1.00
00:10:39.240 They're recruiting other girls.
00:10:40.920 Because they're groomed. 1.00
00:10:41.580 So what I'm saying is, yes, he's a scumbag. 1.00
00:10:43.640 Yes, he's a piece of crap. 1.00
00:10:44.700 But just because he has bunk beds doesn't mean he's murdering women. 1.00
00:10:47.720 Tom.
00:10:48.100 We need to have a little discretion here.
00:10:49.300 Tom. Adam, I have a lot. I disagree with that. That take. About bunk beds? No, about what you just said. About bunk beds? Just everything. I just think that's that's a really rough take.
00:11:05.720 this guy is not this guy is not a random french guy this guy is a well-known architect that worked
00:11:14.980 for cnn who was hired so now we trust cnn let him finish let him go through keep going time
00:11:21.240 why are you what are you defending i'm not defending i'm trying to find the truth go
00:11:24.960 through and then you've been talking go ahead you know i could not be more disgusted with what the
00:11:31.340 story of epstein i could not be more disgusted the the documents that were withheld but now we
00:11:37.280 see them the photographs that we never saw but now we see them and all the things that just says
00:11:42.460 it's exactly what it was and it's not that the girls were complicit i don't think an underage 0.78
00:11:49.220 girl that was groomed and recruited is complicit that's what grooming and the the crimes that go 1.00
00:11:56.780 on there of recruitment, and that's why we have these crimes. That's why we have statutory laws
00:12:02.060 to protect our young children. I could not be more disgusted with the entire story of Epstein
00:12:08.100 and more disgusted day by day. I get more angry, and I was getting angry inside watching this clip
00:12:15.960 when he said two words, 16 years. So some time ago, he said he was interrogated. Some time ago,
00:12:25.940 he talked to somebody and nothing happened and there was the sweetheart deal the more we know
00:12:31.520 about the sweetheart deal in the time that there is a way it could have been stopped what do we say
00:12:36.460 all the time oh this young this young troubled man uh young boy say 17 year old troubled boy
00:12:42.900 he got his dad's gun and he went to school and he did this why couldn't we have stopped it why
00:12:48.860 didn't somebody speak up we always play armchair quarterback and we want the second amendment laws
00:12:53.480 and we want to seize people's guns we want to do all that but on this we did have a chance to stop
00:12:58.260 it but powers that be gave the guy a sweetheart deal and he went right back to doing his business
00:13:03.980 and when i see this guy who i regard as a credible witness given his background and where he's going
00:13:09.620 from and i don't denigrate him in any way and he says 16 years ago i was interrogated it's all part
00:13:16.440 of the we had a chance to stop it and that is the part of this that i hate because it angers me
00:13:23.200 I've gone from disgusted to being more and more angry seeing where it could have been stopped.
00:13:27.980 So let me give you one thing that this is why this show works, because we have these types of conversations.
00:13:35.800 And oh, my God, I can't believe this. Oh, my God, I can't believe that.
00:13:38.300 That's why this works. That's why we have these conversations. I don't mind that at all.
00:13:42.560 The day the FBI investigation, what is in 2018, the same day that happens, you order 330 gallons of sulfuric acid.
00:13:53.200 Why? I don't know. Why? What do you do with that? I have no idea. I have no idea what you do with
00:14:00.660 that. There's so many things that we don't know about this thing. A lot of things that we know,
00:14:06.040 we know plenty right now to take the guy down. You know, he's dead right now, but meaning we
00:14:11.740 know plenty of stories to take a lot of other people down that were tied to it. But you know
00:14:16.700 how the court works, that they have to go a little bit deeper and deeper and deeper.
00:14:19.600 life changes you know how
00:14:22.540 you know Lindsey Graham
00:14:24.580 says send the kids
00:14:25.840 if it's going to be
00:14:28.680 like a what do you call it
00:14:29.840 yeah go for it
00:14:32.720 he doesn't have any kids
00:14:34.680 so to him
00:14:36.340 what's the worst thing that he's going to have
00:14:38.380 nothing
00:14:39.940 when you hold your kid
00:14:41.960 and they're in your arms and the thought of
00:14:44.480 something like that happening
00:14:45.800 you turn into a very different human being
00:14:48.260 you turn into a very different human being
00:14:51.000 there's a scene where
00:14:52.800 Bill Burr is on
00:14:54.920 the podcast with Joe Rogan
00:14:57.220 and Joe is talking
00:14:58.920 about if something like that happened
00:15:00.620 Rob have you seen this clip
00:15:01.840 type in Bill Burr, Joe Rogan
00:15:04.720 you know
00:15:07.260 where Joe 0.98
00:15:08.100 says he would kill him or something like that
00:15:10.980 and Bill says relax Joe
00:15:12.200 this is just a hypothetical
00:15:13.620 and you see it
00:15:15.700 But it is a very, very different story when you deal with families.
00:15:21.160 It is a very different story when you're dealing with how, yeah, I don't know if you're going to find it here.
00:15:28.260 You may want to look for it on YouTube or Instagram.
00:15:30.260 But I understand the emotions.
00:15:32.380 And by the way, I like that more and more stuff like this is happening.
00:15:35.080 I like the fact that CNN did this.
00:15:37.600 Good for CNN for having some like this.
00:15:40.200 I'm glad these types of conversations are taking place.
00:15:42.680 Vinny, did you want to say anything before I go to Nick Shirley's story last?
00:15:45.180 No, no, no, no, I, I, it's just, you know, when, when you find out that this guy was working for two, three letter, well, a couple of agencies to do this, to record everything, to hold, that means they're all of them, all of them were cool with this operation, all of them for using it for leverage and to deny, not just to think that they wouldn't want to kill these people is a, it, to me, that's a stretch that to me, that is a stretch.
00:16:10.120 i saw emails where they're saying hey we strangle these two girls we're gonna have to get rid of 1.00
00:16:15.120 them on top of the zoro ranch we have to strangle them they're foreign girls we have to kill them 1.00
00:16:19.660 because during a sexual thing that we had those sex got rough who was in there and they put madam 1.00
00:16:24.960 m and and jeffrey epstein so like it's real it's real and we're never going to find out the truth
00:16:30.580 adam because half the millions of documents they're not going to release they're still redacting male 0.99
00:16:36.020 names and they keep saying it's the victims nobody wants to see the victim's name i want to see who
00:16:41.260 jeffrey epstein is emailing saying hey we need to get rid of these these dead girls what what are we 0.95
00:16:46.980 what are we doing yeah so yeah and by the way i found the clip rob if you want to play this clip
00:16:50.400 so this was a guy who walks up to a girl young girl gets angry a bicyclist and then just look
00:16:56.940 at what happens to joe rogan's temperament his body language look at this face rob not rob adam
00:17:02.880 I want you to look at this. So go ahead and play this clip. Go ahead.
00:17:05.600 I was caught on video earlier attacking teenagers who were posting flyers.
00:17:09.580 He just runs up to her, he's yelling at her.
00:17:11.220 I mean, look, he's towering. Oh, my God.
00:17:13.800 Look at her, though. Good for her. 1.00
00:17:15.900 See, I don't know if that's a woman or her friend, but that girl's got balls or ovaries. 1.00
00:17:21.320 You know, I would be in the news. 1.00
00:17:25.440 With a big old fucking orange jumpsuit on if that was happening to my daughter. 1.00
00:17:31.600 Oh, my God. 1.00
00:17:32.260 be a real problem yeah yeah joe didn't happen it didn't happen to your daughter right i know you
00:17:38.020 just we just went to a dark place there i go there all the time it's a real problem with
00:17:44.260 i know i do i go there all the time and to me i get it there is a line that when you react like
00:17:50.820 that if you ever wonder why sometimes the audience gets furious with you is especially with this
00:17:56.740 topic that's a very sensitive topic i hope one day you have a daughter i think you will change
00:18:03.980 and i don't know why i think your first kid's going to be a daughter but i hope you have a
00:18:08.100 daughter by the way yeah it is the greatest blessing but you will never be the same ever again
00:18:14.820 touche no when i'm telling you will and i hope you experience that because it'll show you what
00:18:22.480 What man is capable of doing if you cross the line with a man's daughter? 1.00
00:18:31.660 It's over.
00:18:32.720 You know, like the idea of like prison, like it's not like a thing.
00:18:39.340 So that sensitivity, everything that happened to these girls, these are someone's daughter,
00:18:44.120 someone's niece, someone's cousin, someone's sister.
00:18:46.760 These are someone's relative that they went through this.
00:18:49.780 And when you're 14, 15, 16 years old and you're very, what's the word, impressionable?
00:18:53.940 Is that the word?
00:18:54.800 And you're struggling financially, it is so easy to take advantage of in that moment.
00:18:59.600 It is so easy to take advantage of in those moments.
00:19:03.400 So, I mean, you have a nephew, but you don't have a niece.
00:19:05.980 But I think if you go through this next phase, God willing, you'll experience it.
00:19:10.740 There were some really horrible things that happened.
00:19:12.940 And look, I'm just glad that the media and I'm glad that CNN, Fox, CBS, whoever it is, that is still in the pursuit of finding out what's going on with this.
00:19:23.480 An example needs to be made.
00:19:25.280 And I don't think enough examples have been made yet.
00:19:28.300 There needs to be examples made for people to be so afraid of what's possible for them to say, I just don't want to touch this anymore.
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