Valuetainment - Ex-Secret Service Agent Reveals Who Failed to Stop Fort Hood

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00:00:30.000 this major nadal okay who killed those 13 soldiers what questions would you ask him

00:00:36.260 to have what questions can the military ask to identify to prevent this from happening i'm

00:00:43.100 thinking more preventative right preventative how could we have prevented this knowing his

00:00:48.460 background knowing his commitment knowing where he lied knowing where his loyalty was how could

00:00:53.280 we have prevented this do we know how long he let me ask let me ask one question do we know how

00:00:59.660 when he first entered the military versus when he did it,

00:01:02.960 how long was he a service member?

00:01:04.660 To be a major takes a decade.

00:01:06.380 I mean, you're not going to be a major like, there you go, 88 to 09.

00:01:11.120 So his service year was 21 years.

00:01:13.780 So something happened within those 21 years.

00:01:16.680 So it's not his hiring.

00:01:18.460 I don't think that's the issue because if it was,

00:01:21.180 he would have taken action probably sooner.

00:01:24.260 So there's something that happened between him getting hired

00:01:27.920 and him committing this incident that caused this.

00:01:31.800 And I don't remember the case as vividly at the time.

00:01:35.100 I do think one of the important things is,

00:01:39.480 and I don't know if the military does this,

00:01:41.060 so I'm speaking without knowledge,

00:01:42.560 do they do reassessments of people once they're in?

00:01:46.640 So for example, in the U.S. Secret Service,

00:01:48.200 every five years they redo a background check on you.

00:01:52.320 So is there something that the military does

00:01:54.260 and they may already do this?

00:01:55.500 I'm speaking completely ignorantly here.

00:01:57.920 where every number of years, every five years, you reassess an individual.

00:02:01.960 I might lean to saying no just because the military is so big and vast

00:02:05.660 that this might be a very difficult thing to do.

00:02:08.880 But I think a situation like this would be doing every several years

00:02:15.060 doing background checks on people again, looking at their socials,

00:02:19.520 looking at their devices, saying, hey, can we look at your device?

00:02:22.820 Give me your Instagram handles.

00:02:24.200 looking at their looking at what they're doing conducting interviews of their family and their

00:02:30.260 neighbors when you you do a background check on someone you go and talk to their family and their 0.80

00:02:35.320 neighbors this guy was born in america okay and he uh started believing that violent islamic

00:02:42.980 extremism is what he started embracing and came to believe that killing american soldiers was a

00:02:47.520 religious obligation that's what it was his primary motivation religious radicalization

00:02:53.820 during his 2013 military trial he acknowledged that he had switched sides in what he considered

00:02:59.660 a conflict between the u.s and his religion he believed attacking american soldiers was justified

00:03:04.000 because he could eventually be deployed to fight muslims overseas this was azan's extremist

00:03:10.000 interpretation of islam not a positioned representative of muslim generally is what

00:03:14.920 it's saying here he was about to be deployed to afghanistan and this was an important development

00:03:20.200 immediately preceding the attack hassan was a psychiatrist assigned to fort hood this guy was

00:03:24.700 a psychiatrist that yes that's correct now i remember major as a major so part of this is

00:03:31.840 preventative what can we do to prevent his colleagues had warned about him

00:03:37.040 according to senate investigation hassan openly expressed extremist views during his medical

00:03:42.900 training he gave presentations discussing violent islamist islamist ideology some colleagues

00:03:49.220 considered his behavior alarming two officers described him as a potential ticking time bomb

00:03:53.740 despite concerns about his conduct and professional performance he remained in the army he was

00:03:59.800 promoted and subsequently ordered to afghanistan we could have prevented that no so let me say this

00:04:07.340 so then not to oversimplify it whose fault is this that this happened really whose fault is

00:04:12.820 it? You just read me all these indicators. Whose fault is it? Is it his or is it the

00:04:20.140 military's? Because you have all these indicators and usually folks will communicate in some

00:04:27.900 way that they're going to do something. So you have all these indicators that were never

00:04:31.320 followed through. Nobody believed it. Nobody followed it through. So where's the responsibility

00:04:35.900 really lay

00:04:36.620 yeah

00:04:39.840 but I mean if

00:04:40.900 that can be taken

00:04:42.320 for 9-11

00:04:42.980 there was warnings

00:04:43.660 about a 9-11 attack

00:04:44.820 agreed

00:04:45.440 we can use that

00:04:47.160 to

00:04:47.480 in a lot of

00:04:48.860 different cases

00:04:49.600 my

00:04:50.940 position

00:04:52.120 is I'm all about

00:04:53.440 what could we have

00:04:54.280 done to prevent

00:04:55.100 this

00:04:55.840 I'm a business guy

00:04:56.700 so you have to think

00:04:57.560 about prevention

00:04:58.560 I'm in the life

00:04:59.860 insurance business

00:05:00.600 we sold a million

00:05:01.260 insurance policies

00:05:02.080 to us it was all about

00:05:03.180 if God forbid

00:05:04.780 something happens

00:05:05.760 to the breadwinner, what are you going to do, Mary?

00:05:08.760 You don't have a job.

00:05:09.880 You have three kids.

00:05:10.780 He makes $88,000 a year.

00:05:12.880 You guys only have $17,000 in the bank.

00:05:14.900 It's preventative.

00:05:16.120 Well, he's only 39 years old.

00:05:17.980 It's preventative, right?

00:05:19.000 So yes, I do believe that.

00:05:21.260 But from your standpoint, you're saying the onus,

00:05:25.320 from the tone I'm getting from you,

00:05:26.680 is the onus is on us, the U.S. military.

00:05:28.560 The onus is on us, and here's why.

00:05:30.140 The U.S. Secret Service actually does

00:05:31.480 national threat assessments.

00:05:33.160 They try to, because we've always been looking

00:05:35.020 for the threat the threat towards the president typically because that predominantly that's

00:05:38.720 really where it started right and then it's expanded to other things and places and individuals

00:05:44.180 so one of the things that they look at when it's the threat assessment they look at what common

00:05:49.000 patterns do we see amongst people who commit these types of attacks so one of the things he's

00:05:55.180 hitting is he communicated it they typically communicate it they tell people the people

00:06:00.300 around them um will say something and so what i see is a neglect to act to follow through um just

00:06:07.720 side note a lot of the attacks that this united states secret service is able to thwart do you

00:06:12.860 know how a lot of them get mitigated family members or parents contact local law enforcement

00:06:17.680 authorities and say i'm worried about my loved one they're saying these things wow so one of

00:06:24.720 the ways you mitigate it you're asking me how to mitigate it it is teaching people having the

00:06:30.440 awareness to say something now here my only concern is people did say something but to me is

00:06:37.040 hey they're telling you this but the military did not seem to follow through or create any

00:06:42.120 consequences or follow it through to such a degree to prevent this that's where i see the prevention

00:06:47.700 you have to have a red flag that's why i asked you how long ago 1988 i don't know what they could

00:06:52.920 have done in 1980 years 21 years but when you hear something you must do something about it

00:07:01.280 and i think a lot of institutions have been relaxed yeah so this again so this is why the

00:07:07.340 five words for today's conversation two of them were justification and consequences right so the

00:07:14.500 consequences if we don't have solid consequences then that behavior happens then another person

00:07:20.620 justifies i can do it as well and i'm going to go be a hero so there's got to be a balance between

00:07:25.360 that both of us are parents you know you i think you have two kids you said you have a four uh

00:07:30.260 four month old and a four year old four month old good for you congratulations thank you i'm not

00:07:34.880 sleeping if anybody wants to know um so there's got to be consequences right in everything you do

00:07:42.080 and some of some have to be hiring you got to make examples of them you have to make examples i'll

00:07:47.020 tell you this the criminal justice system if we're just talking criminal justice system and

00:07:50.900 this kind of falls into that the punishment typically we've been a system historically

00:07:55.080 where we punish people actually if you look at the population of prisoners if you look at the

00:08:00.600 world population of prisoners how many people are in prison 25 percent are our u.s prisoners

00:08:07.880 then the rest is the rest of the world so if you ask you have to ask yourself why is one out of

00:08:12.720 every four people in a prison or jail for the United States. That's one. So what's happening,

00:08:19.600 Patrick, internally in the U.S. where people are committing crimes? And there's a couple of

00:08:25.260 theories about it. So the other thing is you must have consequences. So historically, we have been,

00:08:30.460 you commit this crime, you get caught, you get punished. We were big on punishing people,

00:08:34.960 creating consequences, which is a nicer way to say it. However, we've reverted away from that,

00:08:41.000 And we become a bit more of a rehabilitation system,

00:08:44.320 which means the belief in like, can we help people?

00:08:47.620 Can we rehabilitate?

00:08:48.800 Can we rehabilitate people?

00:08:50.400 And what we're finding is that you cannot.

00:08:53.000 With some folks, you can't.

00:08:53.960 You folks, you can't.

00:08:54.840 Also, if you look at who commits the crime, the most crime,

00:08:57.940 it tends to be a small group of people who are repeat offenders.

00:09:01.400 When I worked a case, what was the first thing I did?

00:09:04.160 I ran the rap sheet.

00:09:06.480 I ran the rap sheet.

00:09:07.560 I need to know who you are.

00:09:08.500 If I had no rap sheet, that meant something.

00:09:11.340 If I had a rap sheet, that meant something.

00:09:14.680 So if I see somebody who's been arrested again and again and again and again.

00:09:18.920 It's a pattern.

00:09:19.760 It's a pattern.

00:09:20.400 What are we doing?

00:09:21.540 Most, most, I can't give a percentage, but I would say the vast majority of people I investigated had rap sheets.

00:09:29.660 It was very rare for me to find someone with.

00:09:32.000 It's a big training ground.

00:09:32.920 Once you go in, you're learning.

00:09:34.640 That's a university on how to even commit different types of crimes.

00:09:38.500 right you're going in and you're coming out um you know but but to me there's a level there's

00:09:44.560 also people that are in prison that sold weed you don't need to do 20 years or 10 years or

00:09:49.140 whatever it is for selling weed that's a different some of the stuff that we have is just but you

00:09:53.680 cross the line and you kill 13 soldiers i don't know what to do maybe you know you go in the

00:09:59.840 middle of the ocean where people go shark fishing and you drop a bunch of blood in there and you

00:10:05.040 track the fish and then you drop their bodies there and you record it and you release it is

00:10:08.720 that a positive thing i don't know can i ask is that one way to go is it just hey don't tell

00:10:14.140 anybody and just kill them is it public execution i don't know would you would you be able to do the

00:10:18.560 public execution i asked i told you i'm going to flip it on you i'm curious would you be able to do 0.99

00:10:22.460 it if you were in service and they said we need you to publicly execute this person i wouldn't

00:10:27.060 even flinch you would do it i wouldn't even flinch and by the way i would take the risk of

00:10:34.700 going to hell, and God not being happy with my decision, and I will deal with that judgment

00:10:40.380 on judgment day, you cannot cross, I gave this, and I'll share this with you, say you're

00:10:48.860 my sister, okay, say you're my wife, you're attractive, I'm delusional if I don't think 0.99

00:10:58.180 people are going to flirt with you when you go out, I'm an idiot, I'm delusional if I 0.99

00:11:02.500 think men are not going to slide in your DMs. I expect it. I'm a powerful man. You're delusional 0.99

00:11:08.540 if you think women are not going to slide in my DMs and flirt with me. It's very normal. Now,

00:11:13.920 if it's a coworker that does it, he crossed the line. What are you doing?

00:11:19.020 If it's my best friend that does it, that's tier one. You don't do that. This is a major in the U.S.

00:11:29.180 army heavy you cross the line you cross the line and now you are not for us you're doing it for

00:11:39.340 another country who's an enemy of any of ours because you don't want to go face them

00:11:42.940 there's a part of it where um you know as a christian man we are all about forgiveness

00:11:51.260 and all this stuff and i i get that but sometimes god uses certain people in a different way where

00:11:57.800 there will be no hesitation.

00:11:59.740 You cross the line and you compromise.

00:12:02.080 We allowed you to give you the greatest honor

00:12:04.460 of wearing the U.S. military uniform.

00:12:06.900 You're a patriot.

00:12:08.440 Your job, our job is to defend this country.

00:12:10.920 You do this, I'm good.

00:12:14.660 It would be, I wouldn't even flinch.

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00:12:45.420 connects ontario.ca i appreciate you answering i respect it i wouldn't even flinch i don't i

00:12:52.240 I don't have any, I don't, this is bad.

00:12:54.020 And I get that you take in your position.

00:12:55.560 I respect it, but.

00:12:57.180 I think punishment should exist.

00:12:58.940 And I'm also not against it.

00:13:00.280 I'm not saying, I understand it.

00:13:04.120 I think it's wrong.

00:13:04.920 I think there's many things that are wrong.

00:13:06.500 And I think to think that people cannot be,

00:13:09.300 should not be policed,

00:13:10.740 to think that everybody is good,

00:13:12.860 to project our values and belief systems

00:13:16.320 onto other people and think that they are like this

00:13:18.460 is naive. 1.00

00:13:19.480 It is foolish. 0.99

00:13:20.560 We are not living in reality. 0.98

00:13:22.240 And this is why we are dealing with many of the issues we have now.

00:13:25.600 I am absolutely, I think we are very lenient on crime.

00:13:31.440 And, you know, it reminds me too of the Leviathan, if you've ever read it, by Hobbes.

00:13:35.260 It's like a political theory book.

00:13:37.460 And he talks about, Hobbes, he said, this was written a long time ago.

00:13:41.640 Hobbes says, the human being, like as human beings, if you leave us by ourselves,

00:13:46.440 we're going to look out for our own self-interests and we're going to hurt one another.

00:13:50.020 like we are not to be left alone we can't it's kind of like a lord of the flies thing

00:13:54.760 we are not able to be without a system to to stop our bad behavior that you must surrender some of

00:14:02.700 your freedoms to government or to institution to police the rest of us yeah that's what he says and

00:14:08.480 i i tend to think that he is correct and if you look historically we've been trying to correct

00:14:13.720 human behavior from thousands of years ago code of hammurabi what is that eye for an eye so even

00:14:19.960 from back then thousands of years ago they were trying to figure out how do i control human

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Valuetainment - October 24, 2026

Ex-Secret Service Agent Reveals Who Failed to Stop Fort Hood

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