Valuetainment - October 25, 2026


Ex-Secret Service Agent Says Foreign Spies Are Already Inside US AI Companies

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00:00:00.000 Two weeks ago, I had this guy on the podcast, his name is Jacob Coxon.
00:00:02.600 He's the one that did the tweet about anthropic AI that, you know, it's the end of the world.
00:00:07.660 Be careful.
00:00:08.640 And, you know, we shouldn't do this.
00:00:09.760 He worked at OpenAI for a few years and then he went and worked.
00:00:12.300 Biggest tweet of the year was his tweet.
00:00:13.900 I don't know if you saw that or not. 1.00
00:00:15.020 It was Massive Women Viral. 0.97
00:00:17.000 So he sat here.
00:00:18.220 I said, so what's your biggest concern?
00:00:19.420 He says, well, you know, I said, so, you know, is the concern that China is going to get this technology before we are? 0.51
00:00:25.180 He says, whatever we have, China has.
00:00:26.760 I said, why do you say that? 1.00
00:00:27.460 is because Chinese nationals are working
00:00:29.780 at companies like OpenAI and Anthropic.
00:00:32.320 And so they're relaying the message
00:00:34.700 to whatever's going on here over there.
00:00:36.660 Okay, how does the country today,
00:00:38.760 when he's talking about the director of secret service,
00:00:41.180 the threats are up 40%, forget about the threats.
00:00:44.300 Espionage, you have Intel being sold,
00:00:46.680 Intel being sent back, and all these guys are coming, 0.65
00:00:48.840 you're working here, the Chinese folks are long-term thinkers. 1.00
00:00:51.280 That's not our business model. 1.00
00:00:52.560 We don't say, let me go work in China.
00:00:54.420 They would never let that happen with us.
00:00:56.820 How do you, you know, how do we protect against nationals, Chinese nationals, and some other countries working for big AI companies and relaying the information back to them?
00:01:06.680 So this goes back to what we were talking about before, the hiring process.
00:01:10.880 You have to do a deep dive into people's background to figure out what you can.
00:01:14.660 AI companies with access to the best technology.
00:01:16.340 You don't think they're doing it?
00:01:17.420 I think that they're hiring in mass numbers.
00:01:19.540 I don't, I think it's, I think it, Patrick, it's the checklist.
00:01:22.640 Okay, you have this skill, you have that.
00:01:24.560 I don't think people are putting as much.
00:01:26.820 Now they are.
00:01:27.480 I've had companies come to me because I do keynotes and I do training sometimes.
00:01:32.080 And I'll ask them, what are some of the issues you're dealing with?
00:01:34.320 And this is an issue that they have outside actors sending people in to them for jobs.
00:01:39.880 And they're trying to manage it or they're getting deep fakes. 0.94
00:01:42.520 A lot of the deep fakes come from Korea. 0.91
00:01:45.260 And it's like almost like they're supposed to get a number of jobs. 0.99
00:01:48.000 Korea? 0.53
00:01:49.140 South. 0.61
00:01:50.320 North, of course.
00:01:51.140 Yeah.
00:01:51.320 Wow.
00:01:51.980 Yes, Korea. 0.95
00:01:52.640 That's another thing. 1.00
00:01:53.520 They do deep fakes.
00:01:54.240 And in fact, kind of one thing to look out for is if during the interview they say, excuse
00:01:58.440 me, I have to use the restroom, that's a sign that they switch people.
00:02:02.640 So there's all these different things.
00:02:04.220 So I speak at a lot of these companies that deal with security, they're concerned.
00:02:08.760 So yes, are there actors in there?
00:02:10.440 Yes, because I think initially, and I don't think all of HR is properly trained.
00:02:14.920 They're thinking who's going to spy on us and then until it gets too late. 1.00
00:02:19.600 So the thing with China is accurate and correct. 0.99
00:02:22.100 China takes everything.
00:02:23.400 They don't look at it like we're stealing.
00:02:26.120 They look at it like we're taking this to help our country.
00:02:29.120 And if you are a Chinese national, 1.00
00:02:31.520 like they have the right to take your stuff. 1.00
00:02:34.480 There's almost like, if you go to China, by the way,
00:02:37.160 if you ever go to China, don't bring your phone, 0.98
00:02:39.820 don't bring your laptop, it's garbage. 0.99
00:02:42.360 You can automatically assume 0.91
00:02:43.900 that it's gonna get compromised.
00:02:45.200 Take a fake phone and then toss it.
00:02:47.200 Didn't President of the United States recently go?
00:02:49.260 They got all these gifts from China.
00:02:50.840 Did you read the reports of what they did with those gifts?
00:02:52.580 They threw them in the trash
00:02:54.000 Because they have devices
00:02:56.480 They have monitoring
00:02:57.200 When we go overseas to certain countries
00:02:59.420 There are certain countries where you were told
00:03:01.100 Don't bring your stuff
00:03:02.340 Just know your stuff is going to be compromised
00:03:03.940 So the first thing I did when I got to the US
00:03:06.300 I would hand over my phone
00:03:08.120 Hand over my devices
00:03:09.360 And the IT department would decide
00:03:10.940 Is there any spyware or malware 0.69
00:03:13.000 Some country was like it's garbage
00:03:14.500 So I would caution these countries 0.98
00:03:17.720 I know the United States is very much about
00:03:20.480 We want to hire everybody
00:03:22.040 we want to invite everybody we want to have everyone the problem is you're also not living
00:03:27.000 in reality and americans are very they're very good people they have a good heart and they
00:03:33.880 project out onto other countries that they are the same or other groups of people and not everybody
00:03:40.260 is the same and so we are seen as quite naive and we are by them by the enemy yes we are seen as
00:03:47.060 naive and easily taken advantage of because we're very much like everybody please come
00:03:50.980 And you want that, because I've benefited from it.
00:03:53.680 You have as well.
00:03:55.040 But you also have to have protocols in place, a filter system, layers of security to catch
00:04:00.460 bad actors.
00:04:01.460 You can't live in la-la land and not presume that there are not bad actors.
00:04:06.360 Well, you're also the most powerful country in the world, so there is incentive to do
00:04:09.740 this.
00:04:10.260 If we were like nothing, nobody, then they wouldn't bother.
00:04:13.680 But because, and also, you know better than I, where do all the great companies exist,
00:04:18.240 all the great innovators exist?
00:04:20.200 What country?
00:04:21.640 The U.S.
00:04:22.320 Thank you.
00:04:23.280 So where's everybody going to try to steal and take espionage from?
00:04:26.800 I heard this quote once.
00:04:27.860 I don't know if you ever heard of it.
00:04:29.400 China has a lot of jobs, but the United States has Steve Jobs.
00:04:34.060 Understand?
00:04:35.920 So I think we have to think differently.
00:04:38.180 It's not that you're excluding people.
00:04:39.920 It is that you are the gatekeeper of who you hire.
00:04:44.120 Slow down.
00:04:45.200 Look into people's backgrounds.
00:04:46.680 Check references.
00:04:47.740 Know who you're going to.
00:04:48.840 Verify things.
00:04:49.560 Go online.
00:04:50.100 So even if somebody's come for a job, go back and look at that LinkedIn profile.
00:04:54.260 Does it look legit?
00:04:55.240 Does it look fake?
00:04:56.540 Does it look like a bot?
00:04:57.580 Yeah, the concern right now is with the AI war is it's forget about what I'm doing.
00:05:00.880 What are they doing?
00:05:01.780 You know, what are they doing to not have the information being shared over there?
00:05:06.140 What are some influencers doing that are giving messages that pins America against America and confuses the hell out of the younger generation?
00:05:13.860 And how do you control that?
00:05:15.340 Because freedom of speech is a big part of America, and I'm a freedom of speech absolutist.
00:05:18.680 So what do you do?
00:05:20.800 Do you create, you know, certain criterias of when you're getting paid from an outside actor or another country,
00:05:27.600 you have to publicly announce the fact that they're paying you.
00:05:30.380 There's got to be like in financial services.
00:05:32.600 When I was a series 766, there's something called an OBA.
00:05:36.880 You have to report every 90 days your outside business activity and your outside brokerage account.
00:05:42.340 So I have an account with, let's just say, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.
00:05:45.540 You have to say, how's your account doing?
00:05:46.640 You have to give the report statement.
00:05:47.840 Did you create any new accounts?
00:05:48.980 I did.
00:05:49.640 What are they?
00:05:50.020 Here's a TD Waterhouse.
00:05:51.040 Here's a T-Row Price.
00:05:52.900 Okay, great.
00:05:53.340 We need to know, boom, great.
00:05:54.900 Outside, what other sources of income do you have?
00:05:56.680 I have to have this source of income.
00:05:58.080 Does it need to be that where a, I don't know.
00:06:02.160 But to me, if someone's getting paid from an outside country, I would want to know,
00:06:07.480 especially if you have a massive level of influence.
00:06:10.600 But then that could be also free market capitalism.
00:06:12.920 I can do business with anybody.
00:06:13.780 the way the constitution is set up it's so phenomenal but it's also got opportunities
00:06:20.740 for other bad actors to come and exploit it there's a price with freedom of speech well
00:06:26.540 look when it was created who would have thought of all this stuff i think it's creating oversight
00:06:31.020 it's going to take time and it's going to take unfortunately we are reactive we are a reactive
00:06:36.360 country and it's going to take something bad something very obvious to happen before happen
00:06:41.300 some type of committee or oversight, or even maybe a new department is developed
00:06:45.280 that has oversight over such things. Right now it's the wild West. So I think something
00:06:50.660 significantly bad is going to happen that they're going to say, okay, we have to do something.
00:06:55.540 Everything we do, um, as great as we are, we are a reactive country.
00:07:00.660 Something happens because we don't want to violate people's rights. We don't want to take
00:07:04.100 away from people. So it's okay. Now this happened. We have to do something. Even if you just look at
00:07:09.660 something simple as 9-11 before to sit and listen into somebody's conversation that you would have
00:07:15.360 to it was an act of god to actually get a wiretap to listen to phone conversation before 9-11
00:07:19.300 after it happened then the patriot act came out um and it was like hey all you had to say is this
00:07:25.420 is tied potentially to terrorism and then you can get it easier decision or bad decision patriot act
00:07:30.020 i think it was a good decision at the time they did the best they could with the information they
00:07:34.660 had at the time you're just trying to protect and prevent another 9-11 so i think we learn
00:07:40.320 as things happen i i the the it was meant to be good i think when it starts to be overly used
00:07:49.760 uh compromised abusive where humans are flawed that's when you're like hey wait a minute so
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