Valuetainment - April 12, 2025


“Learned From Canelo” - Ilia Topuria Reveals Where He Got His Fighting Style

Topics
boxing
Hosted by
Patrick Bet-David
Mentioned
Canelo Dars Nick Diaz Khabib Max Holloway Jake Paul Gary Shaw Guillotine Makachev Elliot Kana Dana
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Length

11 minutes

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152.15

Word count

1,697

Sentence count

216

Harmful content

Toxicity

3

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Hate speech

7

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Summary

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In this episode, I sit down with my older brother Elia and talk about his boxing career and how he thinks he can beat anyone in the boxing ring. We talk about our favorite fighters growing up, how he got started in boxing, and what it takes to be a good boxer.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Have you guys spent any time with Nate and Nick Diaz or no?
00:00:03.400 Never.
00:00:03.980 Never?
00:00:04.520 No.
00:00:05.460 What do you think about those guys?
00:00:07.060 I like them.
00:00:07.860 The character they represent in the sport, I always like it.
00:00:11.740 They were so much fun to watch.
00:00:13.240 So much fun to watch.
00:00:14.660 They always provide a show for the fans.
00:00:17.680 In the most unique way, but they would do it.
00:00:22.000 You can't copy that.
00:00:23.280 No, you can't copy that.
00:00:25.140 They are very special.
00:00:26.160 Very special.
00:00:26.540 Who were your favorite fighters coming up?
00:00:28.600 I know we're talking about Conor.
00:00:29.820 We talked Diaz, but who were some of your favorite fighters?
00:00:32.300 You and your brother, you're like, oh, this guy's good.
00:00:34.060 I like watching this guy.
00:00:36.600 Like from MMA or anything?
00:00:39.680 We liked a lot Canelo.
00:00:42.300 Canelo was one of my favorite athletes.
00:00:47.520 I learned so much from him.
00:00:48.960 Why Canelo?
00:00:49.960 Technical skills?
00:00:50.860 Technical skills.
00:00:51.660 I learned like we were watching his videos, his training footage, like everything.
00:00:57.080 And we were trying to copy that, to repeat that.
00:01:00.600 He inspired us a lot.
00:01:02.540 Have you ever met him or no?
00:01:03.760 No, never.
00:01:04.320 So you guys have never trained?
00:01:06.020 Never.
00:01:06.540 Hopefully one day I met him in person.
00:01:11.280 Wow.
00:01:12.040 Elia, let me ask you, like in the specific boxing side, right?
00:01:16.620 Like when they ask him, like, hey, Jake Paul, you know, fighting is Canelo.
00:01:21.560 To Canelo, it's like, you know, it's a very different world.
00:01:24.740 Is your technical abilities in boxing, stand up?
00:01:29.560 How good do you think you stand technical abilities with somebody that's a professional boxer?
00:01:33.920 Okay, don't say Canelo because I wouldn't fight him because...
00:01:39.440 He's somebody you look up to.
00:01:40.840 Yeah.
00:01:41.080 He inspired me so much.
00:01:42.700 At some point, I said, like, I would fight him.
00:01:45.000 No, no, no.
00:01:45.600 I wouldn't.
00:01:47.620 If I prepare for six months, like only boxing, I don't do anything about wrestling, about, I don't know, knees, elbows, grappling, whatever.
00:01:59.720 Only boxing?
00:02:01.220 Put me, whoever you want in front of me.
00:02:03.320 Like, whoever, whoever.
00:02:06.240 And I hear a lot of guys talking about, like, boxers.
00:02:09.480 No, Elia, he has a good boxing for MMA, but he has nothing to do with me in the boxing ring.
00:02:16.740 I'm like, listen, you don't have anything to do with me outside, inside, whatever you want.
00:02:23.580 Like, what you want to do.
00:02:25.340 Even if you want to play a chess match, I beat you.
00:02:30.060 Why do you think that?
00:02:31.680 Why do you believe that?
00:02:32.640 Because I know how good I am in boxing.
00:02:35.720 I train every day boxing, every day.
00:02:38.580 That's part of my life.
00:02:40.340 I spar with pro boxers.
00:02:43.560 I learn boxing.
00:02:45.260 I, like, I don't know.
00:02:47.320 I consider myself that I can box with anyone.
00:02:52.940 Just give me six months.
00:02:55.560 Only boxing preparation.
00:02:57.360 I'm not even telling you, like, three, because I need to switch so many things that I do it because of MMA, like, the stance, the movement.
00:03:06.720 It's a little bit different for the boxing of MMA than for boxing, boxing.
00:03:11.880 It's a little bit different for pure boxing.
00:03:13.200 Makes sense.
00:03:14.020 And by the way, for a long, I mean, Max Holloway was known, you know, as a guy that he would say he had the best stand-up.
00:03:20.420 No, no, no.
00:03:21.160 He would say.
00:03:21.720 He was saying that, but that wasn't the truth.
00:03:24.560 So you don't even think he's the best stand-up?
00:03:26.280 No, no, no.
00:03:26.880 Compared to you or compared to anybody else?
00:03:34.280 It's not, like, take me out from the equation.
00:03:37.680 Yeah.
00:03:38.660 Like, I don't think that I saw anyone in MMA that I was, like, he has a great boxing.
00:03:49.460 No one.
00:03:50.900 It doesn't matter from...
00:03:52.880 Kana?
00:03:53.140 You see, he was one of those, but even Conor, he had a great boxing for MMA, very, I don't
00:04:05.960 know, MMA stance, you know?
00:04:09.080 In boxing, you can't go like that because you are going to suffer.
00:04:14.740 But he had better boxing than a lot of people.
00:04:19.920 He had it.
00:04:20.400 But, Max, you know, boxing is about simple movements.
00:04:25.740 You can do so much movements and switch the standards, switch the stands all the time.
00:04:32.880 That's not boxing.
00:04:34.980 In boxing, you have to be, like, very disciplined all the time and very protected.
00:04:42.380 You have to select all your combinations.
00:04:44.380 You have to move your head.
00:04:46.560 And you have to be very good to administrate your energy, you know, because you have 12 rounds.
00:04:52.640 And that's a completely different movie.
00:04:56.460 Your matchup with Makachev, where do you have the advantage?
00:04:59.200 And where does he?
00:04:59.800 This is what I told you.
00:05:09.400 You ask me, I feel that I have the advantage in everything.
00:05:13.780 This is what I truly believe you.
00:05:17.200 Me, personally, I would ask him, like, what's your favorite submission?
00:05:22.440 Whatever.
00:05:23.200 I don't know.
00:05:24.400 Dark Show.
00:05:25.080 I'm going to submit you with that.
00:05:26.460 So, if you ask him what his favorite submission is, you would do that to him?
00:05:38.500 Yeah.
00:05:41.300 This is a guy that's trained and coached by Khabib, who, you know, 28-0, you know, stories that he's never lost around in his life.
00:05:49.860 I take him close to Khabib. 0.98
00:05:51.100 I will submit him closer to Khabib. 1.00
00:05:54.020 You'll submit him in front of Khabib?
00:05:55.620 Yeah.
00:05:56.460 I take him.
00:05:59.500 Khabib used to take people in his shoulder, take them down and talk to Dana.
00:06:05.020 I would do it to Khabib. 1.00
00:06:06.500 Like, I will take him, but.
00:06:08.500 And then talk to Khabib.
00:06:09.420 Talk to Khabib. 0.88
00:06:10.240 Khabib, I have to do it.
00:06:15.480 What would you tell him?
00:06:17.080 No, I wouldn't.
00:06:17.940 I wouldn't.
00:06:18.440 Like, all the respect, but this is how I feel.
00:06:21.080 I feel that I submit him with the Dars. 0.98
00:06:23.840 Like, which one is your favorite?
00:06:25.800 Dars.
00:06:26.160 So, this part, you're not joking.
00:06:27.520 Whatever he tells you, you would do it to him.
00:06:28.600 No, no, no.
00:06:28.620 This one, I'm not joking.
00:06:29.840 Like, I truly believe that I submit him with the Dars or whatever. 0.99
00:06:34.520 I don't know.
00:06:35.780 Tell me.
00:06:36.200 Which one's your favorite?
00:06:37.060 Don't tell me. 0.99
00:06:37.680 A hell hook or some bullshit submissions that, I don't know. 0.99
00:06:43.040 Now I'm curious. 0.95
00:06:44.100 Now I'm actually curious to know what would be his, what do you think his favorite would be?
00:06:47.760 Um, I think Dars or Guillotine.
00:06:52.320 And if he says that.
00:06:53.820 Yeah, I go for that.
00:06:55.080 No problem.
00:06:55.700 It's going to be even more entertaining for me.
00:06:58.380 Yeah.
00:07:00.720 The people didn't realize that my background comes from wrestling from the ground game.
00:07:06.780 Um, I, actually I grew up in, in, in, with wrestling and with, with BJJ and I developed my skills when I was 20 years old in, in boxing game.
00:07:21.020 But my, my best skills, yeah, I'm on the ground.
00:07:28.120 It's so weird that you did this in Georgia and Spain.
00:07:32.220 Who's there?
00:07:33.140 Who, I mean, you understand, like, it's kind of weird to say that, that, cause some of the guys you're coming from this camp.
00:07:39.560 Okay.
00:07:40.500 You know, he is, he comes from what camp?
00:07:44.100 We know what camp he's coming from.
00:07:46.100 We've seen the videos.
00:07:47.340 We've seen the training.
00:07:48.220 We've seen how disciplined their camp is.
00:07:50.140 Yeah.
00:07:50.640 And everyone's from a different camp.
00:07:52.620 Who, who else is a very well-known person from the camp that you came up of outside of you and your brother?
00:07:58.500 Who is well-known?
00:08:00.520 See, that's weird.
00:08:01.820 It is.
00:08:02.480 Yes, it is.
00:08:04.160 But that's why God's everywhere.
00:08:07.920 He's everywhere.
00:08:08.780 God's everywhere.
00:08:13.340 Yeah, that's, uh.
00:08:14.780 It's weird.
00:08:15.480 It is weird.
00:08:16.180 That's the part that's very weird with you.
00:08:17.960 Where, you know, where did this come from?
00:08:19.420 Do you think, well, I mean, it's not even that because you have access to everything.
00:08:23.100 Would you guys watch a lot of YouTube and kind of repeat it, you and your brother and watch what he did?
00:08:26.980 That's what I told you.
00:08:27.900 We were the first people to go into the gym.
00:08:30.600 We were taking our phones, watching the videos.
00:08:33.960 I don't know, drills in BJJ, for example.
00:08:37.220 To take someone's back.
00:08:39.900 And we were drilling that.
00:08:41.080 Wow.
00:08:41.520 The whole day, all the drilling.
00:08:42.600 Single legs, double legs, I don't know, the cage work, boxing, kickboxing, elbows, knees, I don't know, whatever.
00:08:50.740 How can we develop our carby or our strength or power or whatever?
00:08:57.780 I was, like, so obsessed with everything.
00:09:01.680 I was working all day, every day.
00:09:03.880 That was my obsession.
00:09:05.940 All the time.
00:09:06.800 But there's not a professional UFC fighter that's coaching you guys with your career.
00:09:11.000 No.
00:09:12.220 So what is your first?
00:09:12.960 Not even a professional boxer or professional.
00:09:15.440 At all?
00:09:16.120 No one.
00:09:17.520 Elliot, that's weird.
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