Valuetainment - Lindsay Clancy Mistrial： The ONE Juror Who Refused to Budge

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00:00:30.000 The next story is with Lindsay Clancy.

00:00:32.100 We're at the event, and all of a sudden it's like mistrial, mistrial, mistrial.

00:00:35.940 What do you mean mistrial?

00:00:37.440 Yeah, mistrial.

00:00:38.520 Wait, out of the 12 jurors, how many were on her side?

00:00:41.940 11. 0.96

00:00:42.960 Of the 12 jurors, what sexes were they? 0.92

00:00:45.620 Nine women, three men. 0.99

00:00:47.740 Nine women all sided with her.

00:00:50.220 Of the three men, two sided with her.

00:00:52.820 One did not.

00:00:53.480 And the one that did not, I cannot tell you how many times, including the judge,

00:00:58.300 try to tell this guy hey get in line okay get in line and the guy's like no not backing down this

00:01:06.240 guy i've seen some pictures of this guy and who knows whether these pictures are right or wrong

00:01:11.540 if it's him or not because you know they're trying to protect them i mean you can literally pull up

00:01:15.560 the 12 jurors and identify the three males can you pull up the 12 jurors on the lindsey clancy case

00:01:22.400 and go through the three men that are on this,

00:01:25.420 one of them said, no, this woman is guilty.

00:01:29.540 There's no way she's innocent. 0.99

00:01:31.660 She is guilty.

00:01:33.760 And next thing you know, it's a mistrial.

00:01:36.100 So now we were one juror away from this woman

00:01:39.800 who was already raised $1.2 million on, what do you call it,

00:01:44.420 on GoFundMe and killed her three kids. 0.97

00:01:47.780 She could have walked. 1.00

00:01:48.700 That's the system we're in right now. 0.95

00:01:51.340 She could have walked.

00:01:52.100 So, absolute, I got a bunch of questions on this that I want to go to.

00:01:56.920 And, Vinny, I'm going to come to you first.

00:01:58.860 Lindsey Clancy ends in mistrial with no verdict.

00:02:01.720 What happens next?

00:02:02.600 This is what everybody wants to know.

00:02:04.360 What is going to happen next with this story, right?

00:02:06.720 Everybody wants to know what happens next with this story.

00:02:08.880 Let me read it to you.

00:02:11.360 So, the trial ended in a mistrial, day seven of the deliberations,

00:02:15.200 after the jury reported a single holdout and said it could not reach unanimity

00:02:20.100 on whether she was criminally responsible for strangling her three children

00:02:23.760 on January of 2023.

00:02:25.840 Clancy returns to State Hospital, Tewksbury,

00:02:29.780 where she has been held since 2023.

00:02:32.180 D.A. Timothy Cruz will decide whether to try first-degree murder,

00:02:36.640 downgrade charges, offer a plea, or drop the case.

00:02:39.600 I'm going to be meeting with our team, he said, giving no timeline.

00:02:43.440 Reddington said if a fall retrial happens, she'll be ready.

00:02:47.100 Legal experts expect a retrial 0.97

00:02:49.560 citing the Karen Reed precedent.

00:02:53.700 Retired after a 2024 hung jury, then acquitted.

00:02:57.780 I think they'll likely come back a second time,

00:03:00.120 said CBS analyst Caroline Pelosi,

00:03:02.900 noting prosecutors made some pretty big missteps

00:03:05.800 they could fix, including their argument

00:03:08.020 that Clancy faked her suicide attempt.

00:03:10.640 Jurors heard 85 witnesses, 200 pieces of evidence

00:03:13.160 across nearly six weeks.

00:03:14.620 Nobody can agree out here, so why would the jury agree, Pelosi said, of the polarized public?

00:03:20.640 Vinny.

00:03:21.220 Well, I mean, this is one of those cases that is going to set a precedent.

00:03:25.860 I sent Conor the story already, already in Illinois.

00:03:29.360 A mother was charged with murder and death of her two-year-old.

00:03:32.360 Prosecutors say Corey Walsh had recently become very interested in the Lindsey Clancy case

00:03:37.960 and had spoke of harming her other three children and her husband.

00:03:42.140 So we have to be very careful of what's happening, okay?

00:03:44.960 And just FYI, Pat, because I'm going to have Connor play these two videos from the psychologist that we're on the stand.

00:03:50.380 Lindsay developing postpartum psychosis eight months after giving birth would make her such an extreme statistical outliner.

00:03:58.000 Like postpartum psychosis occurs in one to two out of every 1,000 births.

00:04:04.760 So usually it begins with the first couple weeks, and then it becomes increasingly rare the more time passes.

00:04:08.980 so she was at eight months excuse me okay eight months so think about the time and look at the

00:04:14.920 circumstances she she's at the house she's researching how long her husband patrick

00:04:19.520 how long the trip to the restaurant would take she sent him out she added another errand and

00:04:24.260 then she became psychotic during the precise 18 minute window that she created okay and in that

00:04:30.900 window she claims that she heard a voice for the first time to kill all three children okay and she

00:04:35.380 also missed her husband's phone call but then deliberately called him back which shows that she

00:04:39.440 remained aware of the situation and the risk of him returning early okay and then the alleged

00:04:43.420 psychosis ended with the treatment or the intervention pat this guy right here did you

00:04:46.900 see this this is kurt hilbrum just to give you his credit he's a psychologist board certified

00:04:51.780 in both clinical and forensic psychology he testified that he does not bother this is a

00:04:56.460 doctor this isn't tiktok people and women liberal women flipping out he does not believe that she

00:05:02.060 was experiencing acute psychosis and he said that that those voices never returned and it's very he

00:05:07.820 didn't say very once very very rare can you play this connor the way she described this is happening

00:05:12.840 is that she heard a voice that she'd never heard before experienced an hallucination and she's

00:05:20.760 never experienced it since but she only experienced it for the 18 minutes weird

00:05:27.360 or so that it took to kill the children.

00:05:33.200 And to put it mildly, that would be a very, very unusual.

00:05:40.240 Could you stop it, Con?

00:05:41.320 In fact, he goes on.

00:05:42.220 This guy was one of the best witnesses that have.

00:05:44.200 For a doctor to use the word very, very unusual means it's probably not real.

00:05:49.160 Okay, and then this is another guy, psychiatrist.

00:05:51.440 Dr. Avram Mack testified that she suffered from depression and anxiety

00:05:55.100 but showed no evidence of psychosis or bipolar mania when she killed the kids.

00:05:58.960 Can you play this?

00:06:00.120 Do you recall what she reported about The Voice?

00:06:04.740 Her experience was that The Voice was of a male, and it was loud.

00:06:13.680 And what did The Voice say? 1.00

00:06:16.300 The Voice said to the effect of, you should kill the kids. 1.00

00:06:20.360 This is your last chance so that you can kill yourself. 1.00

00:06:23.680 And what did she say happened after she heard this voice? 0.99

00:06:29.240 She engaged in the activity of taking her children's lives. 0.61

00:06:33.760 And what did she say that she said when she did that?

00:06:37.480 She described that while that was happening, she was saying out loud, go to God.

00:06:45.360 And what about the statement?

00:06:47.140 So, Pat, ready for this?

00:06:47.960 And he goes into saying that her saying that is so significant.

00:06:51.520 go to God because it shows that she understood the children were innocent, okay, and believe that

00:06:57.780 they would go to God and understood what was happening to them was wrong, okay, put that to

00:07:03.800 the side, and I keep hearing this nonsense that's driving me crazy of she didn't have support, are

00:07:07.960 you ready for this? Her husband took paternity leave, worked from home to help her, ran her errands,

00:07:13.460 picked up her medications, picked up her food, they had a nanny, both set of grandparents helped

00:07:18.220 her she attended an outpatient postpartum program five days a week saw six doctors and nurses

00:07:23.860 practitioners and had 13 medications prescribed to her and apparently some people are blaming this

00:07:28.360 medications called uh remeron pat it's a psychosis elicited extremely rare adverse reaction but she

00:07:34.960 was also taking anti-psychotics at the same time so this whole stop the narrative that she was

00:07:40.380 abandoned and nobody cared and everything everything that she did guys was methodical 1.00

00:07:45.420 she knows what she was doing she wanted to freaking kill them she didn't like the husband 0.99

00:07:49.700 and this was her way oh i'm gonna kill myself and he walks in and we haven't heard it but from 0.98

00:07:54.420 listen to testimony of witnesses of people that heard the 911 call i have this transcript

00:07:59.380 he was screaming like she said this woman said i've never heard a grown man scream these these

00:08:04.700 these at this level saying oh my god she killed them and she took them in all different rooms

00:08:09.740 and she killed her so enough of all this this is in massachusetts boston all liberals and for the

00:08:14.700 judge to come out and yell at him and basically say you have to follow my instructions means he's

00:08:19.920 he wants her to freaking walk as well so there's a there's a new trial that's going to happen i hope 1.00

00:08:24.020 the prosecution goes for it and she never guys if she is out in public after two years of being

00:08:29.160 in a medical ward as a society as human beings the system has failed yeah by the way did you see

00:08:33.560 did you see the clip of the judge comparing the male juror holding out against the other 11

00:08:39.840 to England standing alone against Nazi Germany.

00:08:43.400 Did you see that?

00:08:44.080 Can you show it?

00:08:44.640 Have you guys seen this or no?

00:08:45.940 No.

00:08:46.040 Okay, so I have to show you this.

00:08:48.620 It's pretty crazy because Osmond Gold, who does a great job,

00:08:52.440 he responded to this.

00:08:53.580 Guys, I don't know if in the back you have it or not.

00:08:55.240 I'm going to send it to you when you guys can prepare this.

00:08:58.320 While you're preparing this, I want to read something else to you.

00:09:00.480 You ready for this, folks?

00:09:01.820 This is what upsets and irritates a lot of people.

00:09:04.940 Let me give you a few other cases, except let's flip it, and it's a man.

00:09:09.100 Ready?

00:09:09.840 Timothy Jones Jr. killed five of his kids in 2014.

00:09:16.080 Ages 1 to 8 in South Carolina in 2014.

00:09:19.540 You know what ended up happening to him?

00:09:20.940 Death sentence.

00:09:22.680 John Battaglia killed two of his kids,

00:09:26.120 shot his daughter 6 and 9,

00:09:27.840 while their mother listened over the phone.

00:09:30.800 Death sentence executed in 2018.

00:09:34.220 Anthony Milan Ross murdered his 11-year-old son,

00:09:37.780 an eight-month-old daughter, an ex-wife on Christmas Day.

00:09:42.060 You ready?

00:09:42.980 Death sentence, sentence May 2026. 0.94

00:09:47.000 Death sentence, May 2026.

00:09:48.600 Cameron Todd Willinkham, convicted of intentionally setting fire that killed his three daughters.

00:09:55.620 Death sentence executed in 2004.

00:09:59.080 Conviction remains highly controversial.

00:10:01.660 Chad Dorman, executed Dorman as D-O-E-R-M-A-N.

00:10:06.060 executed his three young sons in Ohio in 2023.

00:10:10.780 Prosecutors initially saw death,

00:10:12.460 ultimately life without parole after plea agreement.

00:10:15.980 The Timothy Jones one is particularly relevant

00:10:18.720 for the following reason.

00:10:19.920 He killed his five kids and prosecutors argued for death

00:10:23.460 despite defense evidence concerning serious

00:10:26.060 mental health problems.

00:10:28.600 The juror sentenced him to death in 2019.

00:10:30.960 Wasn't even a like conversation,

00:10:33.080 not 11 to one, nine to two. 1.00

00:10:35.580 No, no, kill this guy. 0.99

00:10:37.700 John Pataglia is another extraordinary example. 1.00

00:10:40.140 He murdered his two daughters while their mother was listening.

00:10:42.840 He was sentenced to death in 2002 and executed in 2018.

00:10:45.860 His attorneys later argued that severe mental illness made him incompetent to be executed,

00:10:51.580 but the courts rejected the claim.

00:10:54.160 So you notice a pattern here where the argument's being made to say,

00:10:58.960 well, but you don't understand postpartum, you know,

00:11:01.160 and you see a lot of conservatives saying stuff like, well, wait a minute,

00:11:03.780 If you're going through it, give up the kids, right?

00:11:07.000 Give them up.

00:11:07.600 Tom said this at dinner the other day.

00:11:09.320 Give them up.

00:11:10.200 Let the state take care of them.

00:11:11.520 Give them up to foster.

00:11:12.380 If you're really going through this, the country's sitting there saying, 1.00

00:11:15.340 well, look, if you're that crazy that you may kill your kids, 1.00

00:11:18.680 let's just take the kids away from you. 1.00

00:11:20.460 And you know what this can go to is if all of a sudden a mother

00:11:23.760 who just had kids is on SSR, you're taking these types of medication

00:11:27.480 that Vinny was reading earlier, let's not give you the responsibility

00:11:30.520 on raising kids by yourself.

00:11:31.700 to either take the medication without the kids

00:11:34.180 or don't take the medication and raise the kids.

00:11:37.580 So if you take the medication, the kids are going away.

00:11:40.280 You've got to make up your mind here what's going to be happening

00:11:42.500 because this is going to set the tone for a lot.

00:11:44.580 I want you to watch this clip here as well

00:11:46.040 for the argument being made by the judge.

00:11:48.440 Go for it.

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00:12:18.900 members of the jury uh at this point i'm going to declare that the jury is uh deadlocked and i'm

00:12:26.540 going to declare a mistrial I just wanted to make a comment and it I'm kind of a history buff

00:12:39.120 and during World War II Winston Churchill was the prime minister for England that's right when

00:12:46.240 England pretty much stood against Nazi Germany alone and so Churchill oftentimes had to talk

00:12:53.600 to the citizens and say let us brace for our duties i always like that phrase and i thought

00:13:01.580 of that phrase when all of you were agreeing to be on this church you understand what's going on

00:13:07.020 here grace for that duty and each one of you knew how long the case was going to go you knew how

00:13:14.740 difficult uh the case was going to be to listen to facts wise but still what an analogy that duty

00:13:22.540 Can you imagine that when you're listening to this, Tom?

00:13:25.460 How do you process this with the judge saying this? 0.98

00:13:28.000 How ridiculous is this? 0.99

00:13:29.560 It's beyond ridiculous. 0.99

00:13:30.980 And by the way, you know, this whole thing with these Lindsay apologists, to me it's kind of nuts. 0.95

00:13:38.460 How long have they been talking about feminism? 0.65

00:13:41.220 Hey, we can do anything a man can do. 1.00

00:13:43.120 We demand equal rights. 0.88

00:13:44.920 You know, we can endure pregnancy, childbirth, and all this thing.

00:13:48.220 We want equal rights.

00:13:49.020 I agree with that.

00:13:50.240 They want equal rights. 1.00

00:13:51.080 who want to do this and now they take this old guy who spends the entire defense saying that women

00:13:57.260 are fragile and that he is now they call him the voice of feminism the voice of feminism just spent

00:14:04.260 how long in trial basically saying that women who have kids are you know can be classified as nuts

00:14:11.220 and i disagree with that characterization of postpartum which i believe is real and i think

00:14:16.020 With the judge going up here, I think there were so much angles here, Pat, that was just a mockery and just sort of collisions of logic.

00:14:24.080 And now we want to redefine women as damsels in distress, slave to hormones that have not partially cared for. 0.99

00:14:30.840 They can go off the reservation and kill their kids. 1.00

00:14:33.460 Oops, I don't buy it. 1.00

00:14:35.320 They don't see what they're doing. 0.99

00:14:36.920 They're setting what they used to call feminism back.

00:14:40.740 And I was never about feminism.

00:14:44.160 I was about basic equality. 1.00

00:14:46.320 You can have a job.

00:14:47.100 You can do this.

00:14:48.060 Can you do everything a man can on a football field? 0.53

00:14:50.960 No.

00:14:51.640 Let's not go there because they take it the other way.

00:14:54.480 But this just shocked me, Pat.

00:14:55.940 This really, all of this in the case was just, I call it a collision of logic.

00:15:00.220 Adam.

00:15:01.160 Well, in a weird way, this Lindsey Clancy trial, it's all women who are on trial, especially liberal women.

00:15:09.240 We all know Massachusetts is a very liberal state.

00:15:11.440 we all know that that they have very liberal policies but you know right as this as this

00:15:17.260 trial was taking place i don't know if you saw if you guys saw this but a week prior the governor

00:15:22.540 of massachusetts signed a bill that basically allowed abortion on demand up until yep child

00:15:30.140 birth up until the day the child was born so my fear is this there's a very slippery slope saying

00:15:35.380 if we can kill a baby right before it's born what about right after it's born what about one day

00:15:42.140 after it's born how many about one week after it's born what about one month after how many 0.97

00:15:46.760 months old it's a very eight eight months old the youngest baby was eight months old so how about 0.67

00:15:51.440 eight months exactly there's a very slippery slope with this liberal ideology of yeah we can kill the 0.98

00:15:56.820 baby right before it's born to right after it's born so then what i'm wondering for women i love

00:16:03.100 you women out there, especially women who are seeing this in a very logical manner, 1.00

00:16:09.040 the slippery slope says, all right, let's say she gets off. Then, all right, so you can succumb 1.00

00:16:15.180 to your emotions. And no matter what you do, you could just say, yeah, it was my hormones. It was

00:16:19.520 my emotions. So then at what point can we say, well, how can we trust you? How can we trust

00:16:25.400 your gender around children? How can we trust you in the workforce? How can we trust anything you 1.00

00:16:30.780 do at this point because you can just blame your emotions or uh after pregnancy depression whatever

00:16:36.740 it means and you just kill somebody you need to get off so to me the precedent that is going to

00:16:40.580 be set here it's already if lindsey clancy is set free and basically saying yeah it's okay to murder

00:16:46.560 your three kids and it wasn't just her three kids it was their three kids because the husband was

00:16:53.240 the father so cora dawson and callan these are three people and it's a very slippery slope my

00:16:58.980 last point is this. You've talked about the hero-making machine here on the show a million

00:17:04.480 different times. Lindsay Clancy, no matter what you think of her, she is not a hero. The women who

00:17:10.440 are protesting for her, who have raised over a million dollars, basically claiming that she's 0.50

00:17:16.020 their hero and the system is rigged against her. I have to take a long, hard look in the mirror and

00:17:24.620 say what are we talking about right here lindsey clancy's not a hero luigi mangione's not a hero

00:17:30.180 tyler robinson's not a hero it just seems like the world is going backwards and there's normal

00:17:35.180 people saying not so fast yeah by the way i want you to see this clip two things you want to go to

00:17:40.820 this one first and by the way the juror uh uh you know there's a picture circulating saying that

00:17:46.640 this is the juror who knows if this is true or not we'll get to that here in a minute here's a guy

00:17:51.540 that was about to get married and $200,000 wedding he's spending money on.

00:17:56.620 That's a real wedding.

00:17:57.800 And watch what he had to say after he asked his fiancée future wife

00:18:00.940 a simple question.

00:18:01.840 Go ahead.

00:18:02.960 So I just canceled my wedding.

00:18:04.680 I was going to get married next month.

00:18:07.380 I asked my ex what she'd think about the case of Linsley.

00:18:13.500 She told me that she's innocent because I would never understand

00:18:17.700 what a woman go through.

00:18:19.500 And I said, but what about the kids? 1.00

00:18:22.980 Who cares?

00:18:24.680 So you know what?

00:18:27.520 $200,000 done. 0.95

00:18:30.300 But I can't believe I was going to get married to a monster. 0.91

00:18:35.520 Wow. 0.98

00:18:36.280 Done.

00:18:37.160 Done.

00:18:37.640 $200,000, but guess what?

00:18:39.760 Doesn't have to worry about leaving and his kids being murdered,

00:18:43.340 however many kids he's going to have with her.

00:18:45.140 Yeah, and you saw the clip with Chris, right?

00:18:47.880 There's a clip with Chris that this is a strange take, Chris, but you play this clip.

00:18:53.880 Go ahead. And Vinny, I'm going to come to you. Go ahead.

00:18:55.640 I'm going to let all this noise clear the zone on the Lindsay Clancy situation and the lone holdout juror who admitted he had reasonable doubts about the prosecution's case, but refused to let her go.

00:19:07.180 I'm going to let that noise clear. But here's a signal.

00:19:11.400 why are so many people who are in favor of punishing lindsey clancy also maga supporters

00:19:18.700 when you favor no legal accountability for the president and his administration despite obvious

00:19:26.340 illegality and corruption hypocrisy much oh just when you thought you've seen it all like why maga

00:19:35.180 it's because the majority of MAGA are Christian conservatives

00:19:39.480 who actually care about protecting children in the womb or out

00:19:43.900 and I love that you brought it up Adam

00:19:45.780 the Democrat machine, the party, whatever, leftist, whatever

00:19:49.940 they don't give a damn 0.98

00:19:51.380 not only are the party of violence 0.99

00:19:53.100 they're happy with killing babies up to freaking birth 0.97

00:19:56.240 especially in Massachusetts 1.00

00:19:57.320 but when a mother who clearly belongs in prison 1.00

00:20:01.320 executes her three children

00:20:03.120 and all the facts that I gave you

00:20:04.360 somehow i don't understand how mac like how do you bring trump into this i don't understand i you

00:20:11.080 know i and with all due respect i think covid and his fifth booster however many boosters chris has

00:20:17.460 gotten is actually messing up his brain with a sprinkle of tds like how how many times like what

00:20:22.640 what are you how do you even make that comparison how do you make this political okay because i

00:20:28.060 guarantee by the way i guarantee you everybody in his circle including him thinks that she should

00:20:33.160 walk i would bet the farm that that's the attitude to have and by the way i know that he's a lawyer

00:20:39.120 but thank god he's not practicing law can you imagine he's your lawyer and he's trying to make

00:20:43.600 an argument in court and he's like your honor forget the evidence the people who think my

00:20:47.440 client is guilty are maggot okay counselor what does that have to do with the case trump trump

00:20:51.840 matt trump is evil like what i i don't get it how how do you bring trump into this can somebody

00:20:57.780 explain that to me i'm being no i'm being dead serious can you or that they're all baltimore

00:21:02.000 orio fans yeah and by the way they have me i just it seemed to be a non-sequitur i mean chris has

00:21:07.240 been on the podcast we all have relationship with chris but i really thought that this connection

00:21:12.340 was a bit of a you know kind of a reach kind of just red meat for a liberal audience yeah but

00:21:18.040 yeah i'll um i'll do my best number one the the video that we showed about the guy that canceled

00:21:22.800 his wedding two hundred thousand dollars in a weird way the lindsey clancy case is the updated

00:21:27.740 version of the prenup the prenup is basically saying hey listen if we get married you're not

00:21:32.620 going to steal all my money and you're going to run away with all my stuff the lindsey clancy

00:21:35.980 conversation is like hey if we get married and have kids you're not going to kill our kids right

00:21:39.420 let's can we agree about that and the lady goes well not so sure yeah we'll cancel the wedding

00:21:44.520 regarding whatever cuomo was talking about here with trump in a weird way this is how i process

00:21:49.540 this the the the people who are cheering for lindsey clancy how do you think they feel about 0.96

00:21:54.380 trump they probably hate trump so they they will trump has been accused of rape pedophilia sexual

00:22:04.560 deviancy never accused of anything lindsey clancy there's no never charged with it never charged

00:22:11.020 with anything lindsey clancy she actually killed her kid admitted it she admitted it there's no

00:22:16.240 question here so the the hypocrisy or the cognitive dissonance that these women are basically saying

00:22:22.460 we hate trump everything about trump is bad bad bad but the lady who actually killed her kids

00:22:27.840 she's a hero though guys yep let's have a little sympathy for her to me what do you think about

00:22:32.660 actually adam think about this this is chris is a left liberal whatever you want to say

00:22:37.000 those two but boston east coast whatever those two other jurors the man they think like how he

00:22:43.000 thinks like of course i guarantee you chris thinks that she's she's innocent guarantee

00:22:48.220 but how do you make the MAGA

00:22:49.620 I don't even know actually what Trump would

00:22:51.560 Pat what is the comparison

00:22:52.900 can you try to figure out

00:22:54.740 what is the comparison with

00:22:56.960 the majority of the people that think

00:22:59.280 that she's guilty are MAGA supporters

00:23:01.380 what the hell does that have to do with

00:23:03.260 MAGA or politics 1.00

00:23:04.820 seriously she killed the kids

00:23:06.900 does it matter if you're a left or a right

00:23:08.820 sometimes Chris says some stuff

00:23:10.920 and I just sit there and I'm you know

00:23:12.300 I watch it I'm like where is he going with this

00:23:15.040 this right here is a horrible

00:23:17.280 take. It's an absolute horrible take of

00:23:19.360 what Chris has done, because

00:23:21.300 it's not just MAGA. It's

00:23:23.340 also a lot of men

00:23:25.240 who are Democrats.

00:23:27.220 So what do you say about that? Are they MAGA now?

00:23:29.640 Do you think most men

00:23:31.240 who are Democrats side with Lindsay?

00:23:34.040 Let me get this straight.

00:23:35.000 No, no, no, but hear me on what

00:23:37.300 I'm asking. So now officially

00:23:39.040 most men who are Democrats who hate

00:23:41.320 Trump are now MAGA.

00:23:43.980 You're going to put them in that pool? 1.00

00:23:45.700 What percentage of liberal women 1.00

00:23:47.260 you think support Lindsay Clancy? 1.00

00:23:48.780 A lot.

00:23:49.300 No, but what do you think the percentage is? 1.00

00:23:51.040 Of liberal women. 1.00

00:23:52.520 What percentage of liberal women support Lindsay Clancy 1.00

00:23:57.420 and thinks she's innocent? 1.00

00:24:00.000 Over 80%.

00:24:00.860 I don't think it's over 80%.

00:24:02.960 I'm assuming it's maybe 10% to 20%.

00:24:04.320 I don't think it's 10% to 20%, but I think it's less than 50%.

00:24:07.080 Okay?

00:24:07.740 I'm going to put it's less than 50%.

00:24:08.980 No, no, what I mean is let's say it's 30%.

00:24:10.940 But 30% is very high. 1.00

00:24:13.160 That's tens of millions of women. 0.97

00:24:13.960 But, Adam, you forget what most of these liberal women support. 1.00

00:24:19.220 But let's say it's 30%. 1.00

00:24:20.380 Let's say it's 30%.

00:24:22.280 70% of them are now with Lindsay Clancy. 1.00

00:24:25.100 She belongs in jail and death penalty. 0.52

00:24:27.740 That's a speculation.

00:24:29.720 What percentage of Democrat men do you think support Lindsay Clancy saying she's innocent?

00:24:36.660 Not the fact that what you go through postpartum is not a real thing.

00:24:40.340 Not that that's not real.

00:24:41.640 But the line of you're going through it, guess what? 0.75

00:24:44.980 You know, it's okay that she killed the kids.

00:24:47.500 Not many.

00:24:48.140 What percentage do you think of?

00:24:49.240 Less than 10%. 1.00

00:24:49.760 I agree.

00:24:50.740 Less than 10%.

00:24:51.520 Of Democratic liberal men.

00:24:53.260 Tom, you made your eye look.

00:24:54.620 Go ahead.

00:24:55.220 So I think that we're losing, that there's, I agree with this debate.

00:24:59.660 But stay with me here.

00:25:00.440 No, no, I don't want to go to a different topic.

00:25:01.900 I'm asking you the question. 1.00

00:25:03.440 What percentage of liberal women you think, think Lindsey Clancy is innocent?

00:25:07.640 I'm going, Pat, I'm telling you right now, I'm going huge.

00:25:09.900 You're 80.

00:25:10.620 Where are you at?

00:25:11.300 I'm 30.

00:25:12.020 Okay, where are you at?

00:25:12.720 Yeah, I'm at 20.

00:25:13.540 Okay, what percentage of liberal men who have never voted for Trump,

00:25:17.740 who hate Trump, they think he's disgusting, say Lindsey Clancy's innocent?

00:25:21.960 Liberal.

00:25:22.820 Who voted for Kamala, who voted for Hillary, who voted for Biden, 1.00

00:25:26.720 what percentage of them think Lindsey Clancy's absolute psycho belongs in prison?

00:25:31.260 I think men are inherently protective.

00:25:33.100 I think only about 20% of them.

00:25:34.620 So you drop it off from 30 to 10.

00:25:36.900 Where are you at?

00:25:37.580 I'm less than that.

00:25:38.560 5%, 10%.

00:25:39.500 Where are you at?

00:25:40.740 No real man is going to be basically pro-Lindsey Clancy. 1.00

00:25:43.180 I tell you right now, but the wife of a liberal who's a hardcore liberal, 0.58

00:25:47.920 hey, women and women rights, I'm telling you right now, 1.00

00:25:49.980 that bleeds into the husband. 0.68

00:25:51.420 I'm going up there.

00:25:52.960 I'm going maybe 45, 50%.

00:25:55.620 Okay, but here's the thing.

00:25:58.300 Let's say we're in that range.

00:26:00.760 Chris, what do you say to those liberals who support Lindsay Clancy

00:26:05.060 getting the death penalty and she's guilty?

00:26:09.080 Are they mag all of a sudden? 0.63

00:26:10.240 They make America.

00:26:10.740 Is that what you put everybody?

00:26:12.180 And by the way, Chris, just so you know, I'm going to say you're a free agent,

00:26:16.420 but let's say you're a Democrat because you're not going to vote for Trump

00:26:21.140 and you'll vote your brother, you wrote him in, and all this other stuff.

00:26:24.660 You think this position could be a position in 2028 that some candidates will use?

00:26:30.000 You think this is going to be a position?

00:26:31.240 Because think about it already.

00:26:32.840 How many 80-20 issues you guys are losing in?

00:26:35.940 You, your party.

00:26:36.740 How many? Transgender, 80-20 issue. Immigration border, 80-20 issue. Clancy, postpartum, she's innocent, 80-20. You know you guys are choosing so many of the dumbest 80-20 issues. Don't you think like a consultant's going to say, guys, knock it off already. This woman right here, Lindsay Clancy, yes, dealt with postpartum, but she is not innocent. 0.98

00:27:04.860 And so if I'm running for office, guess what I'm talking about?

00:27:09.860 You want to find that, and for me it's very simple.

00:27:12.500 We're on a family vacation.

00:27:15.140 We're on a family vacation.

00:27:16.640 And some people are going to have kids there.

00:27:18.560 And you have a 2-year-old, a 4-year-old, and a 6-year-old that are on your family vacation.

00:27:23.440 One of the wives thinks she's innocent and she's not guilty for killing her kids.

00:27:29.100 You're going to spend a week with that person in the house? 0.55

00:27:31.280 Let me ask the question one more time.

00:27:33.040 You're on a family vacation.

00:27:34.220 You go on summer, you know, Hamptons.

00:27:36.220 You go on Aspen.

00:27:36.940 You go wherever you pick to choose to go for a summer vacation.

00:27:40.260 You find out your cousin's wife, you find out your best friend's wife,

00:27:45.360 Vinny, Adam, you find out your best friend's wife, Tom,

00:27:48.600 you find out your best friend's wife thinks Lindsay Clancy is innocent

00:27:54.700 and she's not guilty for killing her three kids.

00:27:57.780 You got a two-year-old, a four-year-old, and a six-year-old.

00:28:00.160 What are you doing for that vacation? 1.00

00:28:01.340 There's no chance I'm letting that woman around my kids. 1.00

00:28:03.780 But what are you doing with that vacation? 1.00

00:28:05.020 Are you canceling the vacation?

00:28:06.360 Are you not going to?

00:28:07.260 I'm not going.

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00:28:38.540 If she's on drugs, forget it.

00:28:42.020 I'm not going to be over the top and I'm not going to be shrill about it,

00:28:46.300 but I'm going to say, you know what?

00:28:47.520 I think we're just going to do some different things this summer.

00:28:50.160 And I'm going to give her grace because it's up to her husband

00:28:53.880 to talk to her about this and to worry in their marriage about their unity.

00:28:58.100 I'm just going to say, guys, we can't do this.

00:29:01.200 and i'm just gonna let it so so so now go go even a little bit deeper yeah okay you have you have

00:29:08.240 friends you have relationships you're hanging out hey kids are going to school hey we're gonna go to

00:29:13.260 aunt mary's house to go play with little johnny and you know what that person's position is you

00:29:19.160 letting your kids go to that person's house no no to me yeah to me you can be pro-choice pro-life

00:29:24.640 let's hang out that doesn't bother me even though i'm a man of faith and i you know where my

00:29:30.360 positions lie you can be you can be a socialist capitalist my health and guidance teacher till

00:29:36.060 today hates trump she's a socialist i'm flying her out to florida for her honeymoon and standing 1.00

00:29:43.620 putting in the nicest hotel and spoiling the hell out of her this lady was my health and guidance 1.00

00:29:48.060 teacher no problem i can get along with a socialist and have a conversation with you i can get along

00:29:54.920 with a pro-life pro-choice and have a conversation with you but if either one of those two think

00:30:00.640 this woman is innocent and it wasn't her fault that to me you are like past a line of logic and

00:30:08.620 common sense there can't be anything we can entertain together nothing everything becomes

00:30:13.120 surface level relation oh how are you yeah are you good oh that's great that's it hey let's go

00:30:18.300 on a vacation together we're busy hey let's go get a good kids let's get let's do what do you

00:30:22.860 call the kids playing together what a play date play date let's no no we're busy they're sick

00:30:26.860 they're this we're not playing no games with this year i fully agree this isn't political opinion

00:30:31.420 no it's not the safety of my kids exactly i'm saying does she flip out when my kids are over

00:30:36.080 yeah oh my gosh this is why i said this lindsey clancy conversation is the new prenup these are

00:30:40.940 the types of conversations you're gonna have with whoever's around your kids you talked about friends

00:30:45.640 and vacation think about a babysitter what are you gonna ask in that think about camp are you

00:30:50.020 think about schools think about pre-k think about anything that you're going to let your kids do

00:30:54.200 it's like hey question for you where do you stand in this lindsey clancy thing and all you're doing

00:30:58.100 is weeding out psychopaths it would say and are you on any medication are you called it a prenup

00:31:03.100 i think what you mean to say is hard filter it's yeah you're filtering out exactly who you don't

00:31:07.400 know what around in your life or in your kids yeah and but by the way men i'm telling you

00:31:12.900 these are the conversations to have with your wife future wife and i think the right thing to do

00:31:19.860 is to cut it off not not cut you know i'm saying cut the relationship off that's bob it that's a

00:31:26.620 yeah i'm talking about cut the relationship off it's one of the hardest things to do is you got

00:31:32.560 to cut it off wait wait you cannot compromise issues like this you know case study type of

00:31:40.080 conversations what do you think it's the simplest question to ask what do you think about her what

00:31:43.660 do you think she's well i think she's kind of going through it no problem you know what awesome

00:31:47.160 I wish you nothing but the best.

00:31:48.460 This is the kind of stuff that there is no compromise.

00:31:51.700 And there's only one acceptable answer. 1.00

00:31:53.360 What she did is disgusting. 0.99

00:31:54.420 I completely condone that.

00:31:56.460 I would never do something at the end of my life.

00:31:58.240 Okay, cool, we can move on with our relationship.

00:32:00.300 Anything other than that, well, you've got to understand where she's coming from.

00:32:03.540 We're good here.

00:32:04.400 Yeah, there is no discussion here.

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Valuetainment - September 09, 2026

Lindsay Clancy Mistrial： The ONE Juror Who Refused to Budge

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