Valuetainment - July 08, 2026


“Nostalgic Desire” - Physical Games Could Be DISAPPEARING Soon


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13 minutes

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2,596

Sentence count

166

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1

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8

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Pat and Tom discuss the fallout from Sony's decision to no longer make physical copies of its PlayStation games starting in 2020. Plus, a new lawsuit from a former employee of one of the original Vudu Boxes.

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00:00:00.000 PlayStation video games okay no more discs we want discs we want the ownership we want to feel
00:00:05.840 like we got a disc no well we're just going to give it a download it on your system and that's
00:00:10.140 all it's going to be no no I want my disc I want to make sure I have the disc I'm going to read
00:00:14.740 this to you and I wonder how you process this and Tom I'm going to come to you with this one because
00:00:19.140 it is a big story a lot of people are not happy about this story because they're sitting around
00:00:23.260 saying, hey, if I'm buying this thing, I want a physical disc of the video game
00:00:34.260 to be given to me.
00:00:35.180 That's what I want.
00:00:36.280 No, you're going to be fine just with the download.
00:00:38.840 No, I want the disc.
00:00:39.660 So let me read this.
00:00:41.180 Brands smell blood in the water after PlayStation Access game discs,
00:00:44.980 and they're roasting Sony for it.
00:00:47.380 This is a business insider story.
00:00:49.640 This is a business insider story that we have here.
00:00:53.760 Okay, so let me go through it.
00:00:54.760 Sony's decision to stop making physical discs for its PlayStation games starting in 2020,
00:00:59.440 it has opened the floodgates for brands eager to score points online.
00:01:02.820 Within hours of the announcement, companies ranging from creators of privacy software
00:01:06.900 to fried kitchen chains piled on using the PlayStation All Digital Future as fodder for jokes,
00:01:14.120 Sony said the shift reflects the fact that the general preference for digital media
00:01:18.580 significantly outpaces that for physical disc.
00:01:22.540 The post tapped into a broader backlash from fans who have expressed worry
00:01:25.880 about ownership, media preservation,
00:01:28.160 and what happens when everything lives behind a download.
00:01:32.220 Tom, what is your position with this?
00:01:34.220 I'll tell you where it's position.
00:01:36.220 I was part of one of these suits.
00:01:39.640 So once upon a time, there was a company called Vudu.
00:01:42.320 And, guys, if you could go look that up, V-U-D-U,
00:01:45.120 and look up Vudu Box, like, 2010.
00:01:47.360 and 10. I'm on it. Yep. And you'll see, you bought a physical box that would download movies
00:01:55.100 and then you own those movies and they were the quality of laser discs. They were, it was a set
00:02:01.020 top player, but it was high quality. So I jumped in because Voodoo was invested in by Benchmark
00:02:08.920 Capital and a guy named Bill Gurley. And so I heard about all this. I said, wow, this is really cool.
00:02:13.780 I can own the content, digitally stored in my box.
00:02:16.840 Well, cool.
00:02:17.560 Well, Walmart buys Voodoo, and then subscriptions comes along, and it changed.
00:02:23.660 And then you're ready for this?
00:02:24.920 By the way, these things had, at the time, one terabyte hard drives.
00:02:30.200 Back then.
00:02:31.220 Back then.
00:02:32.260 Back then.
00:02:33.320 Back then, they didn't want me.
00:02:34.700 Now I'm hot.
00:02:35.200 They're all on me.
00:02:36.060 You know that song?
00:02:36.880 Exactly.
00:02:37.320 And so what happened was you had all of this stuff being stored there.
00:02:43.460 Walmart buys Voodoo, and then Walmart decides they're not going to do it anymore.
00:02:48.820 They shut down the box.
00:02:50.800 I own the movies.
00:02:52.520 I bought the movies.
00:02:54.460 And it gets over to Fandango.
00:02:56.700 And then you know what Fandango did, Pat?
00:02:58.760 They changed the pricing and changed the subscription. 0.99
00:03:01.460 Damn Fandango. 1.00
00:03:01.860 Wait a minute. 1.00
00:03:02.800 When you were Voodoo, I bought copies of The Godfather at Voodoo. 1.00
00:03:07.520 Then I bought copies of Jaws. 0.92
00:03:09.060 Those were mine.
00:03:10.620 Then it gets sold to Walmart.
00:03:12.100 Get it?
00:03:12.440 And then it gets sold to Fandango.
00:03:13.780 And finally, Fandango, it was like a $9 million lawsuit, $9 or $10 million, Pat.
00:03:20.020 And by the way, you know who that money went to? 0.88
00:03:22.400 The Voodoo users. 0.97
00:03:24.600 And so this is the tip of the iceberg. 1.00
00:03:27.460 I love you, Tom.
00:03:28.380 Do you see how it came back?
00:03:29.560 Yes.
00:03:30.160 It came back.
00:03:31.000 So this is people saying the same thing.
00:03:33.220 Wait a minute.
00:03:33.960 If I buy Call of Duty, I want the disc.
00:03:36.720 If you ever go away, I want the ability to keep the game I bought.
00:03:42.300 And in the area of, and by the way, what if you sell to somebody else?
00:03:46.180 Because they've seen this movie before, Pat.
00:03:48.420 So the video game people are well aware of what happened.
00:03:52.600 The Voodoo Box, one terabyte drive, downloading movies, sold to Walmart.
00:03:57.120 They screw it up.
00:03:58.260 Sold to Fandango.
00:03:59.520 They screw it up. 0.66
00:04:00.340 My opinion, as a consumer, I think both of those things are screwed up.
00:04:03.800 That's my assessment.
00:04:05.260 And then you end up in a class action law school.
00:04:07.480 Do you understand, Pat?
00:04:08.780 Everybody thought they owned their movies.
00:04:10.280 Let me ask you.
00:04:10.860 How often has Apple removed movies that users bought because licensing agreement expired?
00:04:23.220 How often has this happened with Apple?
00:04:25.580 Who else should I put there?
00:04:26.460 Netflix?
00:04:27.520 Hang on.
00:04:28.260 I did a case study on Netflix, and I had Brooker come on at 10 years old.
00:04:34.800 And you know what she did?
00:04:35.920 She comes on there and says, well, the BizDoc now got us Disney Plus
00:04:39.540 because all my movies disappeared from Netflix.
00:04:42.940 But that's different, though, Tom.
00:04:44.400 That's different because Netflix and, you know,
00:04:47.100 Disney left and started their own OTT.
00:04:49.360 I'm talking about something else.
00:04:50.480 That is one, but I'm wondering.
00:04:52.220 So it actually hasn't happened.
00:04:53.880 It's rare.
00:04:54.440 In 2018, a few user movies disappeared from their libraries
00:04:58.460 after studio licensing changed.
00:05:00.900 Apple restored access for some customers
00:05:03.040 and explained that rights issued can affect availability.
00:05:06.560 Country changes.
00:05:08.220 Some users have temporarily lost access after changing the country associated with their Apple account.
00:05:13.380 Okay, so that one makes sense.
00:05:14.240 There's no evidence that Apple irregularly removes purchased movies,
00:05:17.080 considering Apple has sold hundreds of millions of digital movies for nearly 20 years.
00:05:20.880 Only a small number of cases with Netflix is different because it doesn't sell digital movie purchases.
00:05:26.420 Netflix licenses movies.
00:05:28.540 TV subscription, when a license agreement expires, the title simply leaves the catalog.
00:05:32.240 Since users have never purchased a movie, Netflix is now removing it, which makes sense.
00:05:36.040 And Sony PlayStation announced it would remove 551 purchased movies because of licensing.
00:05:42.160 So that one is true.
00:05:43.720 So Sony screwed up there.
00:05:44.780 And Sony in 2022 removed 314 Studio Canal titles and part of Europe after a licensing dispute.
00:05:52.480 And then in 2023, Sony Discovery Content planned to remove purchased Discovery shows but reversed course after public backlash and reached a new licensing agreement.
00:06:03.340 So then that makes sense.
00:06:04.040 So Apple I'm buying hasn't happened.
00:06:06.480 Netflix, they're buying licensing, and I'm paying monthly, so it's okay if it happens.
00:06:10.340 Sony's the only one that's screwed up here, which we'll see what'll happen with the market reacting to the video games here, Todd.
00:06:15.520 I'll give you more and more angle.
00:06:17.540 What if a new president doesn't like the games that are on there because they think they're too violent?
00:06:25.160 Or in Call of Duty, you're shooting people from another country, and they decided that country's not so bad.
00:06:32.120 and they tell Sony to take that game down and people have paid 34 bucks for the game
00:06:40.160 and they're sitting there right yep that's that that's what I fear what I fear is content
00:06:49.860 censorship when somebody legitimately bought a piece of content they want that disc so that
00:06:55.440 they know they own Call of Duty or whatever the game is they own it forever and is it feasible
00:07:01.700 that you could have an administration
00:07:03.620 that doesn't like this content or that
00:07:05.800 content or doesn't like how this or that
00:07:07.560 and then can turn it off? What do
00:07:09.780 you think Brandon Carr's job
00:07:11.820 was on day one? Was to protect
00:07:13.980 podcasts like this one, Brandon Carr's chairman
00:07:15.880 of the FCC, was to protect us
00:07:18.020 from being shadow banned
00:07:19.740 or crippled or taken off. Thank you, Brandon.
00:07:22.100 Adam, your thoughts? They just pull up
00:07:23.920 the wrong Brandon Carr. They pull up an NFL player.
00:07:26.440 You know me and my
00:07:27.900 video games. I don't endorse it. I don't play it.
00:07:31.000 In recent memory, it's the second time I think you've brought up video games.
00:07:33.640 You talked about Grand Theft Auto.
00:07:35.820 You're bringing this up.
00:07:36.660 What's going on?
00:07:37.420 Is there something that you, you know, how do you feel about video games?
00:07:40.500 Why is this something that you want to talk about again? 0.98
00:07:42.140 No, no, I think it's business strategy that's dumb. 0.97
00:07:45.100 You can't lose your customers. 0.70
00:07:46.260 And to me, there is an element of, like, listen, a lot of people have moved over to Kindle, okay?
00:07:53.380 And they like Kindle, reading Kindle.
00:07:55.380 I'm not a fan.
00:07:56.620 I like, if you see me, I always have a physical book with me.
00:07:59.660 because I like the sentimental meaning of reading a book.
00:08:05.300 I get some people that are – I like that.
00:08:07.220 Now, don't get me wrong.
00:08:08.200 I don't listen to music on cassette tapes.
00:08:09.820 I don't have that sentimental, even though Eazy-E back in the days,
00:08:12.240 real mother – you know what, geez.
00:08:14.260 You're going to hit them up. 1.00
00:08:15.300 We know you're going to hit them up.
00:08:16.900 I didn't listen to a lot of Christian music back in the days.
00:08:19.240 But to me, I think it's the sentimental side of having that.
00:08:23.560 The movie side where, you know, back in the days,
00:08:26.740 like my sister had a collection of all the Disney movies.
00:08:29.660 and it was a big deal, the VHS Disney.
00:08:32.040 Because some of these things are very, very expensive.
00:08:33.560 My dad had it as well.
00:08:35.240 And so you collected it.
00:08:36.320 It was something that we have in our family as well,
00:08:38.900 those DVDs you collect.
00:08:40.700 I understand the nostalgic desire of, yeah, these things.
00:08:45.900 Like people have these types of collections.
00:08:47.640 There's something special about it because it's a bond.
00:08:49.800 So for video games, I get the younger audience saying that.
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