Valuetainment - May 22, 2025


＂Ramaphosa Has No Spine＂ – Rob Hersov TORCHES South Africa’s Corrupt President In BRUTAL Call Out


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9 minutes

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1,408

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107

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South Africa's President Cyril Ramaphosa meets with Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. to discuss the country's relations with the United States and its relations with South Africa, and how they can work together.

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00:00:00.000 Okay, so Ramaphosa was talking about Elon Musk the other day.
00:00:03.900 I don't know if you've seen this clip or not.
00:00:05.420 Have you seen it?
00:00:06.020 No.
00:00:06.300 Okay, Rob, can you pull up this clip?
00:00:07.740 Here's Ramaphosa talking about...
00:00:09.020 Is it the Stalin one?
00:00:10.060 This is the one right here.
00:00:11.140 Go ahead and play this clip, Rob.
00:00:12.100 Go for it.
00:00:13.080 ...having to do with Stalin.
00:00:14.700 So I know about it and have even...
00:00:20.700 Yes, I know about it.
00:00:24.200 Do you like Elon Musk?
00:00:25.260 Let me say to you, I have had...
00:00:33.140 Elon Musk is South African-born American now.
00:00:39.400 I have had discussions with him and have said,
00:00:44.820 Elon, you've become so successful
00:00:48.380 and you are investing in a variety of countries.
00:00:52.540 I want you to come home and invest here.
00:00:56.020 So he and I are going to have a further discussion
00:00:59.620 about a variety of things.
00:01:03.120 Whatever one may think about him,
00:01:05.100 he is a hugely successful business person
00:01:09.080 and having had those discussions with him.
00:01:14.200 To advance the interests of South Africans
00:01:17.120 and he runs widespread businesses
00:01:21.540 and in many ways he's already invested in South Africa
00:01:24.180 through his ex-online process,
00:01:30.300 which used to be Twitter.
00:01:31.480 So he's already present in our lives as South Africans.
00:01:36.220 So I will be taking further discussions about...
00:01:41.160 What's the likelihood of that happening?
00:01:42.220 Zero.
00:01:42.620 Zero.
00:01:43.440 Zero.
00:01:43.800 Elon Musk and Donald J. Trump
00:01:47.560 know that it is absolutely pointless investing in South Africa.
00:01:53.600 All you're doing is rewarding the ANC
00:01:55.780 for their socialist and racist policies.
00:01:58.480 The three fundamental bases need to be tomorrow,
00:02:01.780 need to be,
00:02:03.480 we will not do trade with you, 0.99
00:02:05.140 we will not help you,
00:02:06.100 in fact we're going to punish you 0.87
00:02:07.500 unless you repeal black economic empowerment laws,
00:02:12.140 expropriation without compensation,
00:02:16.460 and you withdraw the Iran-funded ICJ case against Israel.
00:02:23.020 Iran funded the ANC to put that case against Israel.
00:02:29.540 Iran funded?
00:02:30.660 Iran funded the ANC,
00:02:32.860 they sent money to the ANC,
00:02:34.080 and part of that money
00:02:36.300 allowed the ANC on behalf of Iran
00:02:39.800 to file the ICJ genocide case against Israel.
00:02:46.060 And this is when,
00:02:47.220 so the acronym IGCA
00:02:48.940 refers to the International Court of Justice,
00:02:52.320 South Africa against Israel,
00:02:53.560 formerly titled Application of the Convention of the Prevention
00:02:56.420 and Punishment of Crime, Genocide, and Gaza.
00:02:58.380 Here's a breakdown of the key aspects of it.
00:03:01.440 Allegation,
00:03:01.960 South Africa accuses Israel of committing genocide
00:03:03.840 against Palestinians in Gaza,
00:03:05.180 violating the 1948 Genocide Convention.
00:03:07.840 The application points to actions
00:03:09.680 like killing Palestinians, 0.96
00:03:10.800 causing serious harm,
00:03:11.660 deliberately creating conditions to destroy the group,
00:03:13.720 and preventing worse.
00:03:14.400 Why would South Africa,
00:03:16.000 of all the countries in the world,
00:03:18.000 out of the blue,
00:03:19.500 accuse Israel of genocide through ICJ?
00:03:22.640 Are they the first one that did it?
00:03:24.100 They're the only ones that did it.
00:03:25.720 And you know why they did it?
00:03:26.940 Iran paid them to do it. 0.95
00:03:31.080 Just type in Iran funding, ICJ case.
00:03:38.860 Yes, it says Iran did fund,
00:03:40.600 support ANC,
00:03:41.800 African National Congress,
00:03:43.760 during the anti-apartheid struggle,
00:03:46.040 particularly in the 80s,
00:03:47.200 although the support was relatively limited
00:03:48.760 compared to other international backers
00:03:50.860 like the Soviet Union, Cuba,
00:03:52.060 and Scandinavian countries,
00:03:53.420 but it did.
00:03:54.380 After 1977,
00:03:55.280 the Islamic Revolution in Iran
00:03:56.420 began supporting liberation movements
00:03:57.900 that opposed Western-backed regimes,
00:04:00.480 of course,
00:04:01.260 and the Yank fighting apartheid
00:04:03.240 and white minority rule in South Africa
00:04:04.760 fit this narrative.
00:04:06.920 Interesting.
00:04:07.520 Do you know,
00:04:08.060 South Africa is one of the top 10 countries
00:04:10.760 in the world
00:04:11.260 that votes against America
00:04:13.500 in all UN resolutions.
00:04:17.200 South Africa pokes America in the eye. 0.93
00:04:19.320 allies with Russia,
00:04:22.160 China,
00:04:22.560 and Iran
00:04:23.040 openly supports Hamas,
00:04:25.820 files a case against Israel
00:04:27.180 through the ICJ,
00:04:29.000 creates racist and socialist laws at home
00:04:31.420 to persecute white Indian 0.58
00:04:33.900 and colored minorities.
00:04:34.900 And for 20 years,
00:04:39.160 the pathetic Europe and UK
00:04:40.520 have said nothing
00:04:41.280 and America's never had
00:04:43.020 a foreign policy in Africa
00:04:44.400 until Donald J. Trump arrived
00:04:46.880 in January this year.
00:04:48.320 And he knows exactly what's going on
00:04:50.760 and he's had enough.
00:04:52.620 He is not sending any more money
00:04:54.440 to South Africa
00:04:55.100 and he's going to punish South Africa,
00:04:58.460 hopefully individuals,
00:05:00.160 not the country,
00:05:00.800 for this anti-American
00:05:02.820 and anti-Semitic
00:05:04.180 and anti-white policies.
00:05:08.380 And how do you think
00:05:09.960 he's going to react to it?
00:05:11.540 Cyril,
00:05:12.060 how do you think
00:05:12.440 he's going to react to it?
00:05:14.220 He's a sock puppet.
00:05:17.180 Cyril is a jellyfish
00:05:19.020 with no spine.
00:05:22.020 He's charming.
00:05:23.540 He comes across well
00:05:24.620 and that's why he fools
00:05:26.680 a lot of the big
00:05:27.360 South African corporates
00:05:28.380 and I'm not going to name
00:05:29.500 one of the big ones.
00:05:30.600 He's taken in by Cyril
00:05:31.780 and he's, I think,
00:05:32.960 flying to Washington today
00:05:34.440 to be with Cyril
00:05:35.560 to meet Donald Trump.
00:05:41.180 Cyril's intention
00:05:43.200 is to explain
00:05:44.800 to Donald Trump
00:05:45.540 and the administration
00:05:46.640 the reality of South Africa.
00:05:49.800 But Donald Trump,
00:05:50.460 Elon Musk
00:05:51.000 and the administration
00:05:52.320 are no fools.
00:05:53.200 They know exactly
00:05:53.820 what's going on.
00:05:55.520 So I am hoping
00:05:56.840 Cyril Romopoulos
00:05:58.360 gets the Zelensky
00:05:59.500 times 10 treatment.
00:06:01.240 I'm hoping.
00:06:03.020 But I think Marco Rubio
00:06:04.320 is the one
00:06:04.640 who's going to do it.
00:06:05.660 Why?
00:06:07.460 Because I think
00:06:08.240 Donald Trump
00:06:09.900 wants to keep
00:06:10.660 his position
00:06:12.520 open
00:06:13.560 to see how it goes.
00:06:15.360 But Marco Rubio
00:06:16.460 is going to read
00:06:16.980 the riot act
00:06:17.600 to the delegation
00:06:18.700 that's flown over
00:06:19.440 and so he should.
00:06:22.060 America should say
00:06:23.000 to South Africa,
00:06:23.960 we are not going
00:06:24.780 to help in any way.
00:06:25.880 In fact,
00:06:26.180 we're going to punish you
00:06:27.060 unless you immediately
00:06:28.240 do those three things
00:06:29.200 that I mentioned.
00:06:30.160 Remove EWC,
00:06:31.340 expropriation
00:06:31.980 without compensation.
00:06:34.200 Repeal black empowerment laws, 0.96
00:06:36.020 get rid of them.
00:06:36.920 And American companies
00:06:37.760 should refuse to obey them
00:06:38.980 and withdraw the case
00:06:41.360 from the ICJ.
00:06:42.320 You do those three things,
00:06:43.400 we can talk.
00:06:44.100 What's the likelihood
00:06:45.180 of that happening?
00:06:47.840 Because those are big asks.
00:06:50.340 But they,
00:06:51.020 I mean,
00:06:51.280 I think it's 50,
00:06:53.240 60 percent
00:06:54.280 if you go to polymarket
00:06:55.340 and ask.
00:06:55.960 And if they don't,
00:06:57.460 I think America
00:06:58.060 should kick them back
00:06:59.160 to say leave,
00:07:00.740 go,
00:07:01.340 go home.
00:07:03.200 And then,
00:07:05.040 I'm putting myself
00:07:06.440 at risk here,
00:07:07.000 by the way.
00:07:08.640 And then America
00:07:09.920 should,
00:07:11.100 and they've already
00:07:11.700 done it,
00:07:12.460 Ronnie Jackson,
00:07:13.100 Congressman Ronnie Jackson
00:07:14.980 has already put
00:07:16.580 a bill that's going
00:07:17.860 to Congress
00:07:18.460 about punishing
00:07:19.720 individual South Africans
00:07:20.900 using Magnitsky,
00:07:22.160 SDN,
00:07:23.240 just do Ronnie Jackson here.
00:07:25.480 Now there he is.
00:07:26.940 And Ronnie Jackson,
00:07:28.500 South African bill.
00:07:31.360 Rob,
00:07:32.040 can you tap
00:07:32.380 in Ronnie Jackson,
00:07:33.180 South African bill?
00:07:39.740 There we go.
00:07:43.100 There we go.
00:07:45.700 This was a month ago.
00:07:47.740 South Africa
00:07:48.200 has brazenly abandoned
00:07:49.100 its relationship
00:07:49.780 with the United States
00:07:50.440 to align with China,
00:07:51.300 Russia,
00:07:51.600 Iran,
00:07:51.900 and terrorist organizations
00:07:52.740 of betrayal
00:07:53.160 that demand serious
00:07:53.840 consequences.
00:07:54.480 The legislation
00:07:55.020 ensures we conduct
00:07:55.920 a comprehensive review
00:07:57.700 of the supposed ally
00:07:58.940 while also holding
00:07:59.840 accountable any corrupt
00:08:00.820 officials.
00:08:01.300 The air of governments
00:08:01.940 undermining American
00:08:02.680 interests without repercussions
00:08:04.540 ends now.
00:08:06.880 Interesting.
00:08:07.860 Okay.
00:08:08.060 So that's moving forward.
00:08:09.860 Yeah.
00:08:10.620 So Ramaphosa knows
00:08:12.600 this is underway.
00:08:14.580 He's on the list.
00:08:17.480 He needs to kiss the ring.
00:08:19.420 He needs to give up
00:08:20.560 on these racist
00:08:21.520 and socialist policies
00:08:22.720 and start to put
00:08:23.920 South Africa first
00:08:24.960 and not the ANC.
00:08:25.760 Who does he fear more,
00:08:26.740 Trump or Zuma?
00:08:28.880 That's a very,
00:08:29.980 very good question.
00:08:32.080 That's a very good question.
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