Valuetainment - July 15, 2026


＂Secrets Are Required for Society＂ - Why Ex-CIA Officers Fear a 100% Truth Machine

Hosted by
Patrick Bet-David
Mentioned
MKUltra Chad GPT Tuscaneiro Dante Trump Good Andy
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Episode Stats


Length

8 minutes

Words per minute

178.11

Word count

1,497

Sentence count

101

Harmful content

Misogyny

3

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Toxicity

17

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Hate speech

10

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Summary

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In this episode, we talk about the CIA's MK-Ultra and the dangers of 100% truth detection technology, and what would happen if the world was 100% factually 100% proven? We also talk about how technology is ruining our society, and why we should all be worried about it.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Is there anything out there that a truth serum that people tell the truth no matter what,
00:00:05.640 is there anything out there that the CIA used?
00:00:08.540 Or you trust?
00:00:09.860 That's what MKUltra was originally designed to do.
00:00:12.640 MKUltra's original objective was to create a truth serum, an undeniable, empirically
00:00:18.980 consistent truth serum.
00:00:21.160 That's what it started as.
00:00:22.500 The reason it got into psychedelics was because it believed that psychedelics could be a path
00:00:26.160 to that truth serum.
00:00:27.540 And then it just kind of went off the reservation from there.
00:00:29.420 but MKUltra
00:00:31.020 for what we know
00:00:32.840 didn't succeed or didn't succeed
00:00:35.260 well enough to continue experimentation
00:00:37.180 you mean to tell me there's nothing right now
00:00:39.260 that the CIA has that you can sit
00:00:41.360 down and talk to somebody and 100%
00:00:43.240 of the truth is going to come out?
00:00:44.440 that does not exist today
00:00:45.820 if it exists today it's new in the last 10 years
00:00:48.700 yeah think about it this way
00:00:50.680 everybody
00:00:52.360 grew up somewhere different in the world
00:00:54.380 so I grew up an American
00:00:56.720 in a small town 1.00
00:00:57.960 there was no danger in my town, no crime, you know, you're Iranian, okay? 1.00
00:01:04.800 Now, my parents made me feel guilty if I did anything wrong, right? 1.00
00:01:08.700 Now, maybe you weren't taught that way.
00:01:10.840 So all the lie detectors we have are based now on how an American thinks and feels and acts.
00:01:17.980 So it's not even usually good to use against a foreigner
00:01:21.000 because a foreigner isn't feeling those guilty things
00:01:23.080 or not getting nervous the same way we do about lying
00:01:26.200 because they didn't grow up with their parents like,
00:01:27.960 don't lie, don't lie, don't lie.
00:01:29.420 And so it's so based on an American. 0.58
00:01:33.800 That childhood bias.
00:01:35.260 And I don't think it, 1.00
00:01:36.260 I honestly don't think it really works well in foreigners. 1.00
00:01:38.140 I don't think it works well 1.00
00:01:39.000 if you don't feel guilty about lying.
00:01:41.640 You know, I don't think it works well
00:01:43.040 if you don't have that,
00:01:45.760 you don't like,
00:01:46.520 you don't have that initial instinct
00:01:48.060 because it's watching for you to have a change
00:01:50.160 in how you feel when you lie.
00:01:51.860 But if you don't actually care about lying,
00:01:55.180 it's not going to show the change.
00:01:56.680 And then you have different categories of lies, right?
00:01:58.380 So 100% truth is a very clear sounding idea
00:02:01.220 until you think about how many shades of lies there are.
00:02:03.880 There's lies of omission,
00:02:05.160 which is just not saying what you know.
00:02:08.040 Then there's lies of misdirection, right?
00:02:10.740 Whereas you say something factual
00:02:12.580 intending to misdirect the other person. 0.99
00:02:15.800 You've got white lies,
00:02:17.240 small lies that don't really mean anything to you.
00:02:19.300 And then you've got bold-faced lies,
00:02:20.500 the big, full acts of complete fabrication.
00:02:23.880 So let me ask this.
00:02:25.280 So let's just, because, you know, right now, nowadays, one day we don't have Chad GBT.
00:02:29.520 Next day we're like, wait, what?
00:02:31.900 Write me a book as if I'm, you know, Dante or as if I'm this.
00:02:36.660 Write me a book as if I'm, you know, whoever.
00:02:39.860 Give me a hip hop song in the voice of Tupac, but words that the President Trump would use gives it to you, right?
00:02:46.680 So what do you think would happen if all of a sudden announcement is made, new technology out, 100% detects if a person's lying or not, 100% proven?
00:02:58.720 Not 99.2, not 98.3, 100%.
00:03:02.540 And you can actually buy this for $300.
00:03:05.900 How much would the world change?
00:03:09.040 What would happen overnight? 1.00
00:03:10.560 There would be a lot of divorces. 1.00
00:03:11.140 A lot of divorces.
00:03:13.960 Honestly, though.
00:03:15.140 Lots of grounded kids.
00:03:16.200 But honestly, what do you think would happen?
00:03:19.040 What do you think would happen?
00:03:20.180 Absolute hysteria, man.
00:03:21.500 Pandemonium?
00:03:21.980 We all survive in large part based on a survival instinct that tells us that our secrets are safe.
00:03:30.900 Our secrets are safe.
00:03:32.420 We can at least not share them and keep them safe.
00:03:34.840 And that is something, that's like caveman in your cave in the dark, no one's going to eat me kind of security.
00:03:40.980 It's the only security we really still believe we have.
00:03:43.360 So if a device like that came out, that would 100% guarantee if you were lying, that means nothing's safe.
00:03:51.800 Your whole cave comes collapsing.
00:03:54.100 Do you think it would make the world a better place or worse?
00:03:56.980 I think a lot of people would fight that technology in a violent way.
00:04:01.320 I cannot believe we're in the face.
00:04:04.360 We're like, don't put up that technology.
00:04:06.920 It's not good for society.
00:04:08.600 Where do you stand with it?
00:04:09.640 No, think about it. 0.95
00:04:10.420 Come on, people with kids, your kid will go up and tell a lady, you're fat, right?
00:04:16.540 Everyone's had kids who've said the things they shouldn't say.
00:04:19.240 Zero filters.
00:04:20.060 I have one of them that's like that every week.
00:04:22.800 But now you can't lie to them either.
00:04:24.340 Wait till you hear what everyone thinks about you now.
00:04:25.580 If you don't brush your teeth, you're going to get cavities.
00:04:27.600 No, Dad, that's not what Chad GPT says, Dad. 0.99
00:04:30.760 I don't get a cavity for 12 damn years. 1.00
00:04:33.300 Look, Dad, you're a liar. 1.00
00:04:35.160 Do you think you would want that technology or no? 0.99
00:04:37.600 Just the folks that are out there.
00:04:38.820 Would you want that?
00:04:39.560 Who would want that?
00:04:40.200 Wait wait wait
00:04:41.380 Would you want it if only you had it
00:04:43.260 It changes the opinion
00:04:46.400 If I can have it and nobody else can
00:04:48.540 All day
00:04:49.220 That's why it's not going to be $300
00:04:51.200 Make it $3 million 0.99
00:04:54.140 And that shit would be bought by 1.00
00:04:56.400 Valuetainment 1.00
00:04:57.000 By the way actually think
00:05:00.340 What would happen to the world
00:05:01.600 I mean why do you need judges
00:05:04.160 Why do you need the court system
00:05:06.620 Good we could get rid of that 0.95
00:05:08.060 why do you need you know imagine politicians are out there they're speaking
00:05:11.580 imagine medicine imagine teaching this this the vitamin is going to help you with this
00:05:18.360 that's wrong it doesn't have anything i i don't know what that's interesting maybe you should
00:05:24.880 that's it that's interesting what would happen yes i i am firm on my opinion that secrets are
00:05:30.680 required for society if you don't have secrets you don't have society you have to have yeah i'm i
00:05:36.160 think i'm with you i think i'm with you on did anybody here vote that you would want it
00:05:42.080 who who would want it did anybody raise their hand no none of you guys roberto you wouldn't
00:05:47.520 want it manny you wouldn't want it you guys jake would you want it what do you i i think so as well
00:05:56.720 which could be fun to watch i think it would be so chaotic yeah but i i don't know if but it would
00:06:05.460 sell yeah i i think it would sell i think it would sell you know i wonder if it would make you 0.99
00:06:13.640 just accept the fact that everybody sins i wonder if it would make you be like damn all right shit 0.98
00:06:22.240 you know it's it's really that guy all right and then all of a sudden you look at the list and 1.00
00:06:28.140 everybody you love and admire everybody lies and you're gonna be like my heroes are full of shit 0.99
00:06:34.560 What am I going to do? 0.99
00:06:36.780 That would be an interesting concept.
00:06:38.860 But listen, if you're thinking about it, don't make it.
00:06:40.920 Andy's saying don't make it.
00:06:42.020 Keep it to yourself.
00:06:43.560 Don't share it with others.
00:06:44.800 Put a big price tag on it. 1.00
00:06:46.120 Make it and sell that shit premium. 1.00
00:06:47.740 Yeah, my. 1.00
00:06:48.900 That would be like, create the product and put it in a country that you hate and see it collapse.
00:06:56.060 See it collapse.
00:06:57.300 You know what I'm saying?
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00:08:01.260 is twitching that's my warning eye it'll be 2-2 by stoppage time it's never wrong with early payout
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