“Still Hanging Around” - Michael Wolff SHARES Epstein’s FINAL Cryptic Message Before His Death
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In this episode, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein, joins us to talk about the Epstein scandal and how it led to Jeffrey Epstein being charged with conspiracy to commit fraud, conspiracy to obstruct justice, and conspiracy to wire millions of dollars.
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I think that that's one of those aspects of his life
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but do not feel that I, I certainly didn't feel
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that I was getting the whole story, quite the opposite.
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It was rather, he kind of teased you with the story.
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okay, tell me, come on, where does the dough come from?
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I mean, I've seen him, you know, in many instances,
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he said, well, I run something like a reverse Ponzi scheme.
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In a real Ponzi scheme, you make money that does not exist,
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And the example was, if you're a wealth, very wealthy person and getting a divorce,
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and if you hide a hundred million dollars or at least make a hundred million dollars,
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if your wealth disappear, you've just made, saved 50 million dollars.
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Yeah, there was a guy that Mark Epstein told me that was Epstein's mentor.
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He went away and he was in the, Stephen, what's his name?
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Did that name ever come up or no, between the two of you?
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and Hoffberg had an insurance company that collapsed.
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Um, and, um, and Hoffberg went to jail for, for a long time.
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Um, and then he got out of jail and he started to press Epstein, um, for what I, I don't exactly know.
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Um, but, but it was, that was something I was aware of going on in the, in the background.
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Um, um, now Mark Epstein, just by the way, you know, had also not been really his relationship
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with his brother had, had been, was at best strained for quite a number of years.
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He said that as well, that they were not as close.
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I said, you guys live a few minutes with each other.
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How often you guys have dinner or lunch together?
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So that, that was a very interesting dynamic as well.
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No, my, in my understanding of, of that, and I don't have a complete understanding because,
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I mean, that was not something that Epstein seemed to want to talk about, um, was that
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his brother distance after Epstein's legal difficulties beginning in 2004, his brother, like Ghislaine,
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distance himself from, uh, uh, uh, from, uh, Jeffrey Epstein.
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So two people who he contacted last before he passed away.
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One of them was his German girlfriend who was Karina.
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She was, um, from, as I understand, um, and I mean, I had met her a few times from Belarus.
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Cause you know, the guys, her name is Karina Shulak, Karina Shulak, Belarus.
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And I said, German, forgive me to all the people from Belarus.
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So, uh, uh, so, so she, he calls her last one, but he texts you last.
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And exactly how much longer after his last text to you did he die?
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Yeah, you know, I think that he, I mean, and he, it was not a text really.
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He was given, they had gotten him the, um, clearance to call the girlfriend.
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Um, um, but my, my, the message to me had come through one of the lawyers.
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I mean, I knew the lawyers and I passed them a message.
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I said, you know, I mean, just, and the message that I sent to him was, you know,
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Or, you know, just that kind of, that kind of thing.
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And, and his response to that message was, um, and let's, the context of this is that's
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about a week before he had apparently tried to hang himself or that's what people said,
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But his response to me was, quote, still hanging around.
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And then X number of hours later, I mean, this was on Friday, early on Saturday morning,
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he was, um, um, found, uh, you know, with a bed sheet around his neck in his cell.
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So, so the lawyer sends you a text of his last message saying still hanging around.
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Maybe he was hanging around, meaning the lawyer saying he's dying.
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I mean, it is a cryptic message, but you know, it is, I, I mean, in, in my understanding
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of, of Epstein and how he responded to things, he was responding to that the, the, the, the
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news coverage of that he had apparently tried to hang himself, but then they actually said
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he hadn't tried, uh, there was a, there was a dispute about that.
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And that was his reference to make a joke out of that, which would have been very Jeffrey
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Did, did Nicholas, uh, uh, Tortagliano ever come up the, the, his, uh, cellmate, the guy
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that, you know, multiple times beat up, uh, uh, uh, uh, the same person on four different
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Didn't come up, didn't not come up with, with me.
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That's the only communication I would have had with, with, um, or direct communication.
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