Verdict with Ted Cruz - August 11, 2020


A New Cold War


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Ted Cruz asks the question: Is China stealing U.S. technology? Four of the most powerful tech executives, including Tim Cook, Sundar Pichai, Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos, answer the question at a congressional hearing.

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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
00:00:02.500 Guaranteed human.
00:00:04.040 If you're hearing this right now,
00:00:06.140 it means that our big tech overlords
00:00:08.640 have not shut down this podcast yet.
00:00:12.260 Actually, those big tech overlords
00:00:13.760 were just called in for a hearing at Capitol Hill
00:00:17.360 and they didn't have very much to say for themselves.
00:00:20.440 We will get into all of it.
00:00:22.040 This is Verdict with Ted Cruz.
00:00:23.620 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz.
00:00:31.240 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:00:32.260 You want to talk about a slow ball.
00:00:33.880 This question was posed to Tim Cook of Apple
00:00:37.880 and Sundar Pichai of Google
00:00:39.340 and Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook
00:00:41.060 and Jeff Bezos at Amazon,
00:00:43.560 who, it was kind of funny,
00:00:44.700 he forgot to unmute his microphone.
00:00:46.540 This is one of the most powerful tech executives in the world.
00:00:48.980 Couldn't work the mic.
00:00:49.920 That was a sidebar.
00:00:51.020 The question was very simple.
00:00:52.360 Is China stealing U.S. technology?
00:00:56.620 Let's take a listen to their answers.
00:00:58.460 I have a question for all four.
00:01:01.320 Yes or no answer.
00:01:02.960 Do you believe that the Chinese government
00:01:04.820 steals technology from U.S. companies?
00:01:07.920 Start with Mr. Cook.
00:01:09.260 I don't know of specific cases
00:01:11.620 where we have been stolen from by the government.
00:01:16.560 So you don't believe that the Chinese government
00:01:18.840 is stealing technology from U.S. companies?
00:01:20.420 Or you're just saying that not from yours?
00:01:22.360 I'm saying I know of no case on hours where it occurred,
00:01:27.780 which is I can only speak to firsthand knowledge.
00:01:30.520 Mr. Pichai,
00:01:31.320 do you believe that the Chinese government
00:01:32.820 steals technology from United States companies?
00:01:35.260 Congressman,
00:01:36.240 I have no firsthand knowledge
00:01:38.380 of any information stolen from Google.
00:01:42.460 Mr. Cook.
00:01:43.120 Mr. Zuckerberg?
00:01:44.660 Congressman,
00:01:45.260 I think it's well documented
00:01:46.440 that the Chinese government
00:01:47.500 steals technology from American companies.
00:01:50.100 Thank you.
00:01:51.060 Mr. Bezos?
00:01:52.620 I have heard many reports of that,
00:01:54.920 and I haven't seen it personally,
00:01:56.580 but I've heard many reports of it.
00:01:58.140 So of all the different products
00:01:59.280 that Amazon carries,
00:02:00.220 you haven't seen that in any of the companies
00:02:02.140 that sell products on Amazon
00:02:03.340 or your company yourself?
00:02:05.340 Oh, well,
00:02:05.640 certainly there are knockoff products,
00:02:07.920 if that's what you mean.
00:02:08.800 And there are counterfeit products
00:02:09.960 and all of that.
00:02:10.680 But the Chinese, 0.99
00:02:11.640 if the answer is the Chinese government
00:02:13.640 stealing technology,
00:02:15.120 that's the thing I've read reports of
00:02:17.580 but don't have personal experience with.
00:02:21.320 Of all four of these titans of big technology,
00:02:24.640 only Mark Zuckerberg would admit
00:02:26.420 what we've all known for decades,
00:02:28.400 China is stealing our stuff. 0.99
00:02:30.780 Well, unfortunately,
00:02:31.780 it's an example of how big business
00:02:33.840 is terrified of China.
00:02:35.680 And they're willing to prostitute themselves
00:02:38.260 because they want money.
00:02:39.760 China,
00:02:41.340 they are murderers, 0.92
00:02:43.280 they torture people,
00:02:44.440 and they have made
00:02:46.200 intellectual property theft
00:02:48.060 and espionage
00:02:49.380 a state strategy
00:02:51.740 to go after America.
00:02:53.360 Big tech knows that.
00:02:54.300 They know that fully well.
00:02:56.380 But they're so interested
00:02:57.920 in access to the markets
00:03:01.460 and to billions of dollars
00:03:03.260 that they're terrified
00:03:05.320 of saying anything critical.
00:03:06.680 And big tech in particular
00:03:11.740 has been a willing partner in this.
00:03:16.140 And calling it out
00:03:20.620 is hugely important right now.
00:03:24.400 Of course,
00:03:25.000 especially as we're looking toward November.
00:03:27.000 And by the way,
00:03:27.420 it's not just big tech
00:03:28.380 that's sucking up to China. 1.00
00:03:30.320 You also saw,
00:03:31.480 I mean,
00:03:31.580 there was a report
00:03:32.520 that just came out of ESPN
00:03:33.940 that the NBA
00:03:35.580 is operating
00:03:37.220 some training camps in China
00:03:39.100 that have huge abuses at it.
00:03:40.760 And I can't help but mention,
00:03:43.140 I saw you get into a bit of a spat
00:03:45.020 with an NBA team owner,
00:03:46.900 Mark Cuban,
00:03:47.880 over the past week
00:03:49.060 where I don't even remember
00:03:51.220 the introduction
00:03:51.800 of what Cuban was saying.
00:03:52.880 And you said,
00:03:53.580 hey,
00:03:53.880 Mark,
00:03:54.320 are you willing
00:03:55.360 to criticize China
00:03:57.240 in the same way
00:03:58.060 you're criticizing
00:03:58.640 the United States?
00:04:00.240 And he wouldn't do it.
00:04:01.500 He refused to do it.
00:04:03.920 Well,
00:04:04.440 what happened,
00:04:05.260 so this started out,
00:04:06.720 Mark Cuban was having
00:04:08.080 a Twitter fight
00:04:09.440 with a guy named Mark Davis,
00:04:10.960 who is a radio host in Dallas.
00:04:13.660 He's a good friend.
00:04:14.720 And Mark Davis
00:04:15.700 had pointed out
00:04:16.660 that he was going to be
00:04:19.420 really unhappy
00:04:20.220 if the Dallas Mavericks
00:04:21.380 all take a knee
00:04:22.940 during the National Anthem
00:04:24.040 and disrespect
00:04:24.600 the National Anthem.
00:04:25.740 And he said
00:04:26.360 he loved going
00:04:27.460 to the NBA games,
00:04:29.040 but he just might not go
00:04:30.320 if they do that.
00:04:31.720 And Mark Cuban,
00:04:32.840 who owns the Maverick,
00:04:34.180 theoretically should want
00:04:35.160 his fans to show up,
00:04:37.140 tweeted out,
00:04:38.340 essentially,
00:04:39.060 buh-bye, 0.99
00:04:39.680 we won't miss you,
00:04:40.600 get the hell out. 0.95
00:04:41.740 And I saw that,
00:04:43.120 and I'm paraphrasing,
00:04:44.520 the get the hell out
00:04:45.220 was implied.
00:04:46.800 But I engaged
00:04:48.300 and retweeted
00:04:50.900 that exchange
00:04:52.300 and said something
00:04:53.440 to the effect of,
00:04:54.720 gosh,
00:04:56.420 do you think
00:04:57.000 it's going to work out well
00:04:58.420 for the NBA
00:04:59.480 to tell half their fans
00:05:01.280 go jump in a lake?
00:05:02.800 That's a very odd
00:05:03.820 business strategy
00:05:04.700 to be saying
00:05:05.520 to every police officer,
00:05:07.200 to every soldier,
00:05:08.040 to every veteran,
00:05:09.080 to everyone
00:05:09.740 who actually believes
00:05:10.780 in respecting the flag,
00:05:13.040 we don't want you
00:05:13.720 to come anymore.
00:05:14.460 We don't want you
00:05:15.040 as customers.
00:05:15.760 That's a very odd
00:05:17.380 business strategy.
00:05:18.640 So I retweeted
00:05:20.060 the exchange
00:05:20.700 and said that.
00:05:21.620 So Cuban comes by 1.00
00:05:24.580 and he actually
00:05:25.080 gets pissy.
00:05:26.900 So I guess
00:05:27.800 what I retweeted it,
00:05:29.100 I didn't tag
00:05:30.400 his Twitter handle.
00:05:32.080 I retweeted it
00:05:33.220 to millions of people
00:05:34.380 in the world.
00:05:35.000 It's not like
00:05:35.480 my response
00:05:36.180 was hidden
00:05:37.980 or secret.
00:05:39.440 Hidden or private,
00:05:39.780 yeah.
00:05:40.820 But he comes back
00:05:43.420 and says,
00:05:44.500 well,
00:05:44.760 Ted doesn't have
00:05:45.840 the balls
00:05:46.760 to tag me
00:05:49.020 by name.
00:05:49.740 So look,
00:05:51.380 when I was sitting
00:05:52.100 down assessing
00:05:52.900 all the things
00:05:53.960 that were going
00:05:54.960 to happen
00:05:55.460 in the past week,
00:05:57.760 you know,
00:05:58.100 Mark Cuban
00:05:58.940 questioning my
00:05:59.980 testicular fortitude,
00:06:01.640 that was not
00:06:02.720 on the list.
00:06:03.420 I didn't have
00:06:04.440 that.
00:06:04.980 No.
00:06:06.300 I wouldn't have
00:06:06.660 put my money
00:06:07.080 on that.
00:06:07.580 No.
00:06:08.200 And so I responded.
00:06:09.900 I said,
00:06:11.020 speaking of balls,
00:06:12.340 Mark,
00:06:12.700 and I tagged
00:06:13.680 him this time,
00:06:15.300 tell us,
00:06:18.620 what do you think
00:06:19.220 of China?
00:06:20.900 I'll wait.
00:06:22.380 Right.
00:06:23.200 Right.
00:06:24.000 And I'm still
00:06:24.820 waiting.
00:06:26.260 Yeah.
00:06:26.800 Because he was
00:06:27.460 terrified
00:06:28.100 to answer.
00:06:30.800 Because the
00:06:31.720 NBA,
00:06:33.720 China is a 1.00
00:06:34.740 giant cash
00:06:35.660 register.
00:06:36.180 And, you know,
00:06:36.460 I read that
00:06:37.180 ESPN story,
00:06:38.740 the investigation
00:06:39.380 they did.
00:06:41.580 It's horrifying.
00:06:42.840 So they had
00:06:43.280 three camps,
00:06:44.280 the NBA did
00:06:45.000 in China,
00:06:45.920 run by the
00:06:46.620 Chinese government.
00:06:47.540 These are
00:06:47.840 Chinese kids,
00:06:48.840 teenagers,
00:06:49.440 13,
00:06:50.280 14 years old.
00:06:52.000 The Chinese 0.89
00:06:53.040 coaches
00:06:53.600 were beating
00:06:55.960 the kids,
00:06:58.100 physically beating
00:06:59.200 the kids.
00:06:59.800 There are reports
00:07:00.460 of one Chinese
00:07:02.460 coach throwing
00:07:03.660 a ball point
00:07:04.680 blank into the
00:07:05.760 face of a
00:07:06.480 child.
00:07:07.680 There's another,
00:07:08.740 and then kicking
00:07:09.740 him in the gut.
00:07:11.440 They were beating
00:07:12.640 these kids,
00:07:13.540 not just that.
00:07:15.440 These are kids
00:07:16.100 that are at
00:07:16.520 an academy
00:07:17.060 that, you know,
00:07:18.380 when the NBA
00:07:18.900 announced with
00:07:19.560 great fanfare
00:07:20.380 will be great
00:07:21.000 for the development
00:07:21.660 of these kids.
00:07:22.540 Turns out there's
00:07:23.240 no school.
00:07:24.620 They're not
00:07:25.060 teaching,
00:07:25.880 and we're talking
00:07:26.360 13, 14, 15-year-old
00:07:27.700 kids.
00:07:28.200 They're not teaching
00:07:29.100 them to read or
00:07:29.880 write or anything
00:07:30.580 else.
00:07:31.420 And so there
00:07:31.820 were all these
00:07:32.320 coaches who
00:07:33.400 complained,
00:07:34.140 said,
00:07:34.380 listen,
00:07:34.760 you're,
00:07:36.040 most of these
00:07:36.560 kids are going
00:07:36.980 to end up
00:07:37.300 taxi drivers
00:07:38.040 because they're
00:07:38.360 not getting an
00:07:38.920 education.
00:07:40.300 And they're
00:07:40.920 being beaten
00:07:41.660 by the Chinese
00:07:42.460 coaches.
00:07:43.100 And the NBA
00:07:44.060 is looking for
00:07:44.800 the next Yao Ming.
00:07:45.760 Look, I'm in
00:07:46.440 Houston, Texas
00:07:47.060 right now.
00:07:47.600 Yao Ming was
00:07:48.100 our center.
00:07:48.600 He was a great
00:07:49.060 player.
00:07:50.100 But the NBA
00:07:50.840 made a lot of
00:07:51.420 money.
00:07:52.400 And even more
00:07:54.720 stunning, so one
00:07:55.600 of these camps
00:07:56.400 was in Xinjiang,
00:07:57.620 the province in
00:07:59.060 China, where there
00:08:00.640 are over a million
00:08:01.820 Uyghurs, an ethnic 1.00
00:08:03.640 and religious minority
00:08:04.720 in China, that are
00:08:06.040 in concentration camps.
00:08:07.060 That's one of the
00:08:07.440 things I asked Mark
00:08:08.080 Cuban.
00:08:08.400 Tell us what you
00:08:08.900 think of the Uyghurs 1.00
00:08:09.900 in concentration
00:08:10.480 camps.
00:08:11.500 Crickets, not a
00:08:12.500 word.
00:08:13.280 So this NBA
00:08:14.320 camp, many of
00:08:16.420 the kids there
00:08:17.140 were Uyghurs, the 1.00
00:08:18.100 same people that
00:08:18.940 are imprisoned and
00:08:19.880 tortured and
00:08:20.840 murdered.
00:08:21.720 You've got Uyghur 1.00
00:08:22.640 teenagers being
00:08:23.660 beaten by Chinese 1.00
00:08:25.100 coaches, not being
00:08:27.680 given an education,
00:08:29.100 and the NBA
00:08:30.460 happily turns a
00:08:31.760 blind eye.
00:08:32.520 Because do you
00:08:33.120 know how much
00:08:33.540 money NBA China
00:08:35.160 generates?
00:08:37.160 Five billion
00:08:38.800 dollars.
00:08:41.000 You want to
00:08:41.820 understand why
00:08:42.780 Mark Cuban
00:08:43.500 curls up in a
00:08:44.880 ball and starts
00:08:45.560 trembling when
00:08:46.240 anyone asks him
00:08:46.860 about China?
00:08:47.740 Because he wants
00:08:48.560 five billion dollars.
00:08:49.640 It ain't complicated.
00:08:50.920 And by the way,
00:08:51.480 why do you think
00:08:52.000 Tim Cook can't
00:08:53.120 answer that question?
00:08:54.400 Because he wants
00:08:55.400 billions of dollars
00:08:56.240 and Jeff Bezos
00:08:56.980 wants billions of
00:08:58.340 dollars.
00:08:58.660 And so sucking
00:09:00.380 up to evil
00:09:08.500 tyrannical communist
00:09:10.100 tyrants is in
00:09:13.860 their views a price
00:09:15.480 they're willing to
00:09:16.160 pay because they
00:09:17.000 can have a payday.
00:09:18.760 Even after just in
00:09:20.040 the past few weeks
00:09:20.920 there was drone
00:09:21.600 footage that came
00:09:22.380 out showing this
00:09:23.240 Uyghur minority
00:09:24.060 shaved, blindfolded,
00:09:25.940 you're talking about a
00:09:26.640 huge number of
00:09:27.240 these people being
00:09:28.020 loaded onto box
00:09:29.060 cars.
00:09:29.460 You can see it with
00:09:30.040 your own two eyes
00:09:30.880 but it would appear
00:09:32.120 that critics,
00:09:33.780 leftist critics in
00:09:34.440 the United States
00:09:35.000 who love nothing
00:09:36.540 more than to
00:09:37.380 criticize their own
00:09:38.360 country will remain
00:09:39.760 silent when they're
00:09:40.620 chasing the almighty
00:09:41.400 dollar in China.
00:09:42.960 We have a question
00:09:43.400 from John,
00:09:44.260 ties in particularly
00:09:45.320 now with the sad
00:09:46.820 recent passing of
00:09:47.820 Herman Cain and
00:09:49.160 some other political
00:09:50.240 figures.
00:09:50.660 Do you think a lot
00:09:52.540 of the attacks
00:09:53.160 against conservatives
00:09:54.120 that pass away are
00:09:55.760 the new norm?
00:09:57.140 We saw this with
00:09:57.880 Mike Adams, the
00:09:58.720 conservative professor
00:09:59.600 who died, Herman Cain
00:10:01.300 going back to George
00:10:02.400 H.W. Bush.
00:10:03.540 Is there any way to
00:10:04.520 tone down the rhetoric?
00:10:08.500 I hope so.
00:10:10.280 Right now people are
00:10:11.340 angry, they're divided.
00:10:12.800 I do think the really
00:10:14.880 overheated rhetoric is
00:10:16.200 more on the left
00:10:16.940 right now.
00:10:17.400 Both sides do it.
00:10:18.900 And I wish both
00:10:21.080 sides would not get 0.89
00:10:23.780 personal, not get
00:10:24.900 nasty.
00:10:26.440 Doesn't mean we
00:10:26.980 can't disagree.
00:10:28.900 But, you know,
00:10:32.380 right now there's a
00:10:33.860 viciousness that's
00:10:36.540 really unfortunate to
00:10:37.640 see.
00:10:38.640 And, you know,
00:10:39.720 Herman Cain, I
00:10:40.460 didn't know Herman
00:10:41.060 well, but I got to
00:10:42.040 meet him several
00:10:42.600 times.
00:10:43.040 I spent time with
00:10:43.740 him.
00:10:43.880 I considered him a
00:10:44.560 friend.
00:10:45.720 Look, the guy had
00:10:46.640 an incredible career
00:10:47.600 in business.
00:10:48.280 And his presidential
00:10:52.020 campaign where he
00:10:52.920 ran on radical tax
00:10:55.240 reform.
00:10:55.700 I mean, everyone
00:10:56.180 remembers 999.
00:10:58.440 999.
00:10:59.960 And that, but look,
00:11:02.180 in many ways that was
00:11:03.460 a precursor.
00:11:04.620 When I ran in 2016, I
00:11:06.260 ran on a simple flat
00:11:07.240 tax.
00:11:08.980 And Herman Cain,
00:11:10.320 just radical simplicity
00:11:13.240 is a revolutionary
00:11:15.660 concept.
00:11:16.300 And I think Herman
00:11:19.080 helped usher that in.
00:11:20.740 I think his
00:11:21.380 leadership played a
00:11:24.620 foundational role in
00:11:25.800 the Tea Party movement.
00:11:27.020 And that's important.
00:11:29.060 And, you know, I think
00:11:31.400 he was just 73 when he
00:11:33.340 passed.
00:11:34.120 And certainly our
00:11:37.120 prayers are with his
00:11:38.000 family.
00:11:38.460 And it's tragic.
00:11:39.720 And too many good
00:11:40.820 people have been lost
00:11:43.720 to this virus.
00:11:44.760 Some people are
00:11:45.680 referring to our
00:11:47.060 state with China right 0.95
00:11:48.020 now as a new
00:11:49.000 Cold War.
00:11:50.340 Norman writes in and
00:11:51.520 asks, how can
00:11:52.660 Republicans avoid
00:11:53.780 making America's new
00:11:54.880 Cold War rivalry with
00:11:56.060 China into another 0.99
00:11:57.400 costly boondoggle on
00:11:59.300 behalf of democracy or,
00:12:01.260 say, humanitarianism?
00:12:02.920 And I take it from his
00:12:03.800 question to ask, what
00:12:06.220 what is our interest?
00:12:07.740 What do we want?
00:12:08.560 How do we engage
00:12:09.780 practically in this
00:12:11.400 rivalry with China?
00:12:13.720 Well, the answer is we
00:12:14.980 don't engage in another
00:12:16.040 boondoggle.
00:12:16.980 And there are certainly
00:12:17.980 those who want to, who
00:12:20.440 seem to have never seen
00:12:21.520 a country they don't want
00:12:22.340 to invade or happy to
00:12:23.540 send our sons and
00:12:24.300 daughters into harm's
00:12:25.200 way.
00:12:26.040 I don't think that's the
00:12:27.200 right foreign policy.
00:12:28.180 I think we should be very
00:12:29.060 reluctant to engage in
00:12:30.220 military force.
00:12:31.960 But, and this is a very
00:12:33.860 big stop.
00:12:35.880 China is not our 1.00
00:12:36.680 friend.
00:12:36.980 They are at war with
00:12:39.460 us, whether we know it
00:12:40.640 or not.
00:12:42.020 China is at war with
00:12:43.860 us.
00:12:44.180 Their objective, the
00:12:45.140 communist government in
00:12:46.720 China, their objective is 1.00
00:12:47.920 global domination.
00:12:49.480 Their objective is to
00:12:50.740 utterly and completely
00:12:52.760 defeat us.
00:12:54.980 And so when it comes to
00:12:56.140 China, I'm reminded of 1.00
00:12:58.100 what Ronald Reagan, when
00:12:59.120 he was elected, he was
00:13:00.120 asked, what's your
00:13:00.820 objective in the Cold
00:13:01.700 War?
00:13:02.000 He said, it's very
00:13:02.500 simple.
00:13:02.880 We win, they lose.
00:13:03.620 And, and all of the
00:13:06.240 intelligentsia, they were
00:13:07.580 astonished that this
00:13:09.400 ignorant Philistine, no, 0.50
00:13:10.560 no, no, you can't have a
00:13:11.300 we win, they lose.
00:13:12.200 No, no, no.
00:13:12.460 We need detente, which I've
00:13:14.720 joked is French for
00:13:15.660 surrender.
00:13:17.100 Yeah.
00:13:19.580 China's intent towards us 0.84
00:13:21.460 is entirely malevolent.
00:13:23.360 Just today, story broke
00:13:25.980 about the Chinese
00:13:26.880 government hacking into the
00:13:28.600 Vatican.
00:13:29.040 They're literally trying to
00:13:31.240 break in and spy on the
00:13:32.780 Pope.
00:13:36.680 Our answer has to be that
00:13:38.420 we have to defend America.
00:13:39.660 We have to stand up to
00:13:40.840 Chinese aggression, not by
00:13:42.720 sending the Marines into 0.94
00:13:44.600 Beijing, but by combating
00:13:47.940 them, stopping their theft
00:13:49.780 of intellectual property,
00:13:51.340 stopping their systematic
00:13:52.780 efforts to destroy U.S.
00:13:55.060 production of critical
00:13:56.020 infrastructure, PPE,
00:13:57.540 pharmaceuticals, rare earth
00:13:59.160 minerals, bringing the
00:14:00.480 supply chain back to
00:14:02.080 America, calling them 0.96
00:14:03.740 out.
00:14:04.180 Reagan understood
00:14:05.080 tyrannies fear truth. 1.00
00:14:07.380 They fear light.
00:14:09.680 When Reagan called the
00:14:12.240 Soviet Union the evil 1.00
00:14:13.460 empire, it was powerful.
00:14:16.240 I actually, in response to
00:14:17.460 the story about the
00:14:18.920 Chinese Communist Party
00:14:20.180 hacking into the
00:14:21.580 Vatican, I tweeted out
00:14:23.200 today, I said the CCP is
00:14:24.840 the new evil empire.
00:14:25.760 That clarity scares the
00:14:29.200 hell out of them.
00:14:30.560 And we've got to have
00:14:31.960 clear-eyed vision to have
00:14:34.460 the economic strength and
00:14:36.440 the military strength.
00:14:38.540 I believe in peace through
00:14:40.780 strength.
00:14:41.440 If we're weak, then we risk
00:14:44.820 military confrontation.
00:14:45.920 If we're strong, that's how
00:14:48.240 we avoid the boondoggle.
00:14:50.260 Weakness invites aggression.
00:14:51.980 It's a lesson that people seem
00:14:53.420 not to learn from history, but
00:14:54.960 it seems clear to me.
00:14:56.540 All right, we will have to
00:14:57.620 leave it there.
00:14:58.760 Until next time, I'm
00:14:59.700 Michael Knowles.
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