Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 23, 2026


Abdul & Kamala Champion “Birthing People,” Right-Wing Socialism Would be a Disaster, and 1619 Project Founder Inadvertently Endorses School Choice

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00:03:43.380 Welcome. It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you as well.
00:03:47.780 Senator, we've got a lot to talk about today's show as we're getting closer and closer to the midterms and things that the Democrats are doing, they get weirder and weirder by the day.
00:03:58.780 Well, there are certain things that are tells, you know, when you're playing poker, a tell reveals what kind of hands you have.
00:04:05.700 And in politics, there's a tell that tells you whether a campaign is in trouble or not.
00:04:11.100 And on the Democrat side, there is a tell that I think has a pretty close to 100 percent accuracy, which is if you're a Democrat running for office, your campaign is in real, real trouble.
00:04:23.560 If you have to ask Kamala Harris to come campaign for you, that is a sign that your campaign is a dumpster fire on fire, going off a cliff into a giant pile of manure.
00:04:39.040 And Abdul Al-Sayed, a candidate who is tied with James Tallarico as the most radical and dangerous Democrat nominees in the country,
00:04:49.360 Abdul Al-Sayed, every day his campaign keeps getting worse.
00:04:52.780 He keeps having more and more extreme facts. 0.73
00:04:55.300 His sister, the facts how much she hates America, his father-in-law, the fact that he's founded a charity linked to the Muslim Brotherhood,
00:05:02.560 the the fact that his pal hasan piker says america deserves 9-11 yeah it's so radical
00:05:10.000 that i'm sure they sat down at a strategy session and said what do we need how do we
00:05:14.940 save this failing campaign i know let's invite kamala harris and amazingly they did and even
00:05:25.720 more amazingly but to the surprise of nobody and amazingly is thoroughly tongue-in-cheek
00:05:30.160 her appearance only made things worse we're going to bring you into this absolute nightmare 0.88
00:05:38.040 of a round table yeah between kamala harris and abdul al-sayed and and and spoiler alert
00:05:44.980 kamala looked at him and said wow you're even whacker than i am she didn't actually say that
00:05:49.440 but she implied it we're going to break it down right now yeah it's a it's a very interesting
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00:06:22.580 formally mandatory safety requirements for abortion providers and removes specific
00:06:27.880 accountability when women are harmed.
00:06:30.700 Less oversight, less protection, no consequences.
00:06:34.940 Now, Gallup's polling shows that most Americans, including most who call themselves pro-choice,
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00:07:47.120 All right, Senator, so let's get to this really interesting moment.
00:07:50.380 I agree with you completely, by the way.
00:07:52.420 If you're bringing in Kamala Harris, you've got a really big problem,
00:07:56.800 and that is either people aren't excited about you or you're desperate for funds
00:08:01.280 or all of the above, or maybe even, I guess, Kamala Harris is more mainstream
00:08:06.460 than you are, El Saeed, so therefore you're like, all right, let's bring her in
00:08:10.080 and maybe I won't look as radical as many are afraid that I actually am.
00:08:13.600 Yeah, look, I think Abdul thinks Kamala moves it more to the middle, which really speaks volumes.
00:08:19.540 But, you know, look, if you think about where the country is and what the country is longing for, if the very first thing on your list of what the country is longing for is more DEI, that we were just not woke enough at peak wokeness, we need DEI everywhere.
00:08:36.540 And by the way, we're not talking Berkeley. We're not talking Vermont. We're talking Michigan. We're talking a swing state. We're talking a state that voted for Donald Trump twice.
00:08:45.620 And if you're saying, well, what the people of Michigan want is more DEI, well, that was the central point of the roundtable.
00:08:55.400 So Kamala Harris said that any criticism of DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives, is a, quote, attack on maternal care.
00:09:08.200 And here was her quote.
00:09:10.060 Quote, the attack on DEI is an attack on maternal care, including the need to protect black women in connection with their pregnancy, childbirth and postpartum care.
00:09:19.880 She says in a roundtable event with El Saeed on black maternal health.
00:09:25.420 Quote, these are the facts when we talk about what is at stake in this moment as it relates to these midterms and who occupies seats in one of the most important bodies in our nations, if not the world, which is the United States Senate.
00:09:37.640 um now there there are several things that are interesting uh do you know in 2024
00:09:46.100 who el saeed backed for president i'm gonna guess it was joe biden slash kamala harris
00:09:53.800 well you would think so but but but if you were guessing that you'd be wrong
00:09:57.580 so el saeed was part of the uncommitted movement in michigan and these were the islamists who were
00:10:06.720 so radical that they were furious with Joe Biden because he wasn't anti-Israel enough. Now, mind
00:10:14.020 you, Joe Biden is the most anti-Israel president this country has ever seen. And yet the Dearborn
00:10:20.160 Michigan radicals, he was not full-throatedly pro-Hamas. And so there was this whole movement
00:10:29.140 uncommitted in Michigan to say, we're not going to vote for the Democrats because they are not
00:10:33.540 as anti-Israel as we want them to, and one of their key leaders was Abdul El-Sayed. And so I
00:10:39.880 want you to listen to this exchange, because El-Sayed gets very unhappy when he gets asked
00:10:46.780 about his support for the uncommitted movement and not supporting Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
00:10:52.060 Here, give a listen. Yeah, in fact, Senator, we've got two clips. The first one I'm going to play for
00:10:56.520 you, this goes back to the uncommitted movement and what he had to say back in 2024. So here's
00:11:01.920 else they had then proudly saying i'm in this uncommitted group look you know in in all of the
00:11:07.560 states that you named um they did not have the kind of tumultuous uh uh 2024 election season
00:11:16.020 that we had in michigan and as folks know if you look back to 2024 one of the hardest issues to
00:11:21.080 deal with uh was the genocide in gaza and i was um proudly supportive of uncommitted because i
00:11:27.840 understood that I wanted the party to understand that this was going to be a devastating situation
00:11:32.640 for a lot of folks. So you listen to that center. And now let's go to that clip you were mentioning
00:11:37.660 where else I loses it when he was pressed about his support for the 2024 uncommitted movement,
00:11:42.700 even though in that last clip, he was totally proud of it. Here he is in his own words. Now,
00:11:47.720 can you explain what uncommitted was? What was it about? And who was the president? We were
00:11:52.740 uncommitted to? Is Vice President Harris the same as President Biden? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Was
00:11:57.760 Vice President Harris running for president at the time we were uncommitted? Answer the question.
00:12:03.460 I mean, ask a fact-based question, and then I'll answer your question. No, no, but who were we
00:12:07.460 uncommitted to who was the actual leader of the presidential ticket? Who was that? Yes. So we
00:12:12.400 were uncommitted to President Biden, and then he did what? What did he do? No, no, no. What did he
00:12:18.220 do? You're asking a question based on false premises, so I'm just getting you to clarify
00:12:22.320 your premise what did he do he dropped out of the race correct and then there was a new person
00:12:27.380 running for president right so factually is the premise you're basing this question on actually
00:12:32.280 a real premise thank you next question he was not happy there senator at all goes back to the point
00:12:39.300 you were making he was furious he was even having to answer the question at all well look he was
00:12:45.580 in his own word proudly supportive of the uncommitted movement when the ticket was joe
00:12:51.280 biden kamala harris he was like very proud to say we ain't voting for her and the dumpster fire is
00:12:58.640 so bad he's like hey you know the person that that i wasn't willing to vote for uh now now i
00:13:04.240 really need her help now uh you know it's interesting you you know that that it's a
00:13:13.780 problem when even the new york times admits it i'm just gonna read this headline from the new
00:13:19.700 York Times. Many Democrats are avoiding Kamala Harris. Abdul Syed welcomed her. The former vice 1.00
00:13:28.000 president wants to help her party in the midterms, but not many are taking her up on the offer,
00:13:31.880 except for the Senate nominee in Michigan, who appeared with her on Tuesday, when even the New
00:13:37.780 York Times is saying, wow, this Kamala character, I'm not sure she's going to help in a whole lot 0.92
00:13:44.140 of these races maybe you ought to like uh if she calls and offers it ought to be a new phone who 0.84
00:13:49.740 sorry the wrong number yeah yeah yeah but if you want to know why if you want to know why
00:13:57.740 abdul al-sayed says well maybe kamala will help moderate me help me seem more in the middle
00:14:04.740 i want you to think and i want you to listen to this bizarre discussion at their round table
00:14:14.080 I'm just going to play it and then we'll comment afterwards here. Give a listen. This is this week, Kamala Harris and Abdul Syed. And I'm going to give you a preview. They're just like you. They relate to you and your family just like anyone else would. Give a listen.
00:14:27.760 and that's what the people of michigan need from you from our leaders that's what black women and
00:14:35.280 black birthing people need in order to move themselves forward their families forward
00:14:41.420 the communities forward the state forward in this country forward senator birthing people 0.95
00:14:48.440 that said it that's it they haven't let that go have they that with these birthing people so that's
00:14:53.420 a dude who's acting like a chick that they want you to believe can get pregnant if we're
00:14:58.140 translating what a birthing people are so look i'm just gonna say right now if you have ever used
00:15:06.080 the phrase black birthing people unironically but like actually to describe something you know what 0.99
00:15:12.940 you probably ought to vote for abdul you you are clearly a whacked out nut job but but for the rest 0.97
00:15:20.900 of us this really does tell you how extreme these people are they're unable or unwilling to say the 0.96
00:15:29.000 word mother yes like mom and and i will tell you several years ago we had a hearing the senate
00:15:35.040 judiciary committee where one of the senate democrats made a reference to birthing people
00:15:39.500 and i pulled him aside afterwards on the senate floor and i said is your party's base really that
00:15:47.000 whacked out that you can't say mom yeah and he just looked at me and nodded and said yeah
00:15:54.380 yeah like i mean that's a staffing call right that's somebody in the staff's like hey you can't
00:15:59.260 say that anymore you got to say birthing people and that'll give us cover with the with the with
00:16:03.220 the hardcore primary radical lefty voters that's that's a political decision this is six weeks out
00:16:09.740 from the general election this is when they're trying to pivot to the middle and their campaign
00:16:14.360 is we are fighting for black birthing people that's how extreme everybody everybody listening
00:16:20.300 to this if you go watch the clip uh we've got this one up on youtube this episode you can watch 0.99
00:16:25.980 no one's shocked by what was said in that moment it was as normal as it's saying welcome good
00:16:31.260 tuesday morning it's so good to have you here at this harris el saeed event like there was no pause
00:16:36.960 like what are they talking about what is she saying why are we going here like this was check
00:16:41.500 the box radical leftist organization 101 stuff look this is embodying something we've talked
00:16:46.920 about on verdict for a long time which is the the power center the center of gravity of the
00:16:53.180 democrat party has moved from the union hall it used to be in the fdr era the union guy was the
00:17:00.860 the heart of the the democrat party it's moved from the union hall to the faculty lounge and
00:17:07.200 And birthing people is the sort of thing that that that woke communists in in the Ivy League or Berkeley say it's the kind of thing, you know, people who snap instead of applauding or who hiss if you dare deviate from their orthodoxy. 0.62
00:17:25.260 those are the people who say black birthing people and that is abdul that is especially abdul's sister
00:17:31.620 who is a professor at the university of chicago who says she hates the university of chicago hates 0.94
00:17:35.760 thanksgiving hates the fourth of july and hates america and that is kamala harris as well by the
00:17:41.580 way that's just tenure now isn't it isn't that how you get tenure at one of these universities
00:17:45.040 you just tell them you hate them and and this is and you hate everything about this country they'll
00:17:48.320 give you a job for life uh you know it it is sad it is extreme it is radical now i'll tell you what
00:17:54.500 though unfortunately the radical is not exclusively on the left listen the democrat party is facing a
00:18:01.800 hostile takeover from the islamists and the communists and that's something that that we
00:18:09.200 have to fight back and defeat but there's also a separate group on the right that the the the
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00:18:33.700 calling themselves uh they claim they are on the right but there is nothing that they are saying
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00:20:03.140 All right, Senator, for everybody listening,
00:20:05.300 I love, by the way, these organic moments.
00:20:07.580 They make me smile when I see them go viral.
00:20:10.280 This is you, Will Cain Show, and this is what you had to say when asked about the radical right now, the woke radical right.
00:20:17.720 Take a listen to this.
00:20:19.520 You can see it in online circles of the right.
00:20:21.680 And the question is whether or not the right should embrace at least elements of socialism.
00:20:29.480 Yeah, I'm going to give you two answers to that.
00:20:31.860 No and hell no.
00:20:34.700 You are right that there are a handful of online influencers that are trying to push socialism to young people.
00:20:42.000 And young people historically have been susceptible to arguments for socialism.
00:20:47.540 One of the aspects of being young, all of us, every older person has been young.
00:20:52.100 No young person has been older.
00:20:53.860 Young people don't have historical experience to know that socialism doesn't work.
00:21:01.060 100 percent of the time everywhere it has been implemented socialism is a train wreck by the way
00:21:06.920 i know something about this firsthand my father when he was a young person when he was a teenager
00:21:11.620 in cuba my father fought alongside fidel castro who came promising free things promising to
00:21:18.660 overthrow a tyrant and young people as my father put it the people who fought in the cuban revolution
00:21:23.800 were 14 and 15 year old boys who didn't know any better they discovered what socialism means when
00:21:29.680 Fidel Castro took over and he began executing dissidents and seizing people's lands.
00:21:34.420 And Cuba has been trapped in utter poverty for 60 years since then.
00:21:39.240 The same was true in the Soviet Union.
00:21:41.020 The same was true in North Korea.
00:21:43.040 The same has been true in China.
00:21:44.560 The same has been true in Nicaragua.
00:21:46.780 Socialism does not work.
00:21:48.500 And I'm ready when you are, Diaz.
00:21:49.840 Tell me when.
00:21:51.700 Senator, the point you just made was brilliant, but you also went on to say something else
00:21:57.140 that I think is really important is a warning of what it means for this country and losing
00:22:02.520 elections if we allow this to continue to grow and fester on the right. And here is that warning.
00:22:08.000 And I want people to pay attention because this is exactly why we do this show so that we can
00:22:12.320 talk about things like this and then you can share it with your family and your friends. Take a
00:22:17.280 listen. So, Senator, you and I agree, obviously, in the historical diagnosis and the economic
00:22:22.700 failings of socialism i think the question then becomes is when these arguments are made they're
00:22:28.160 made through the lens of populist appeal this is what you must do to win elections and instead of
00:22:34.960 a socialism under the banner of islamism they're advocating for a socialism under the banner of
00:22:41.220 red white and blue as a means to win elections and the trojan horse of this entire thing 0.60
00:22:46.720 is the affordability conversation.
00:22:49.580 How do you combat that argument?
00:22:52.620 Look, I agree with you.
00:22:54.340 There are people that are selling this siren sign.
00:22:57.260 And it's an interesting beast.
00:22:58.840 We used to have a couple of decades ago what would be called rhinos,
00:23:02.860 essentially weak Republicans, Republicans in name only,
00:23:06.880 that would say, we're going to spend money, too.
00:23:09.760 We just won't give away as much as the Democrats.
00:23:11.960 Today, instead of coming from the moderate, mushy middle,
00:23:16.720 Where that urge is coming from is the self-declared populist.
00:23:20.200 Look, I'll be clear.
00:23:21.040 I consider myself very much a populist.
00:23:24.000 The base that has elected me every time has been blue-collar workers.
00:23:28.000 Here's the difference.
00:23:29.560 The way to be a populist is not get in the Bernie Sanders game of giving away free stuff.
00:23:34.300 The way to be a populist is fight for the jobs of working men and women, fight for small businesses.
00:23:40.220 Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris' tax policy and economic policy does not work.
00:23:45.880 And you are right. There are some misguided voices in MAGA saying, let's embrace socialism light.
00:23:53.180 You know what? If we campaign and say we'll be just like the Democrats, except not as a generous Santa Claus, that's a path to lose.
00:24:01.860 You know, the parallels that you talked about there about the young people that were behind Castro, they're 14, 15 years old.
00:24:08.180 They didn't realize or have the historical context of of what they were supporting.
00:24:12.360 and then they started watching what actually happened afterwards.
00:24:15.400 I think there's a lot of truth to that here in this country.
00:24:17.560 And look, I have people that I know well that are in this kind of Republican, socialist, isolationist,
00:24:25.180 kumbaya, giveaway stuff, campaign strategy for MAGA.
00:24:29.860 I think it's, like you mentioned, a disaster for election of conservatives
00:24:34.660 that this is where we allow the party to go, and we've got to stop it right now.
00:24:38.320 Well, and listen, I think it is still fringe. 1.00
00:24:40.780 There are a handful of vocal so-called influencers that are promoting it, but there is a danger of young people.
00:24:47.900 Young people are susceptible to indoctrination, and it's why the Bernie Sanders and AOCs of the world target young people, and it's also why you have the woke right targeting young people.
00:24:58.820 And this podcast, look, the answer to lies is truth.
00:25:03.080 The answer to socialism is the facts and reality that every time it's implemented, it doesn't work.
00:25:09.080 And the result is poverty and misery and suffering.
00:25:11.900 And the single greatest engine for prosperity the world's ever seen is the American free enterprise system.
00:25:19.000 The greatest engine for opportunity for lifting people out of poverty is the American free enterprise system.
00:25:25.800 And we need to respond with facts to the lies the other side is saying.
00:25:31.760 Canadian women are looking for more, more of themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world around them. 0.98
00:25:38.120 And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast.
00:25:41.860 I'm Jennifer Stewart.
00:25:43.040 And I'm Catherine Clark.
00:25:44.260 And in this podcast, we interview Canada's most inspiring women.
00:25:47.940 Entrepreneurs, artists, athletes, politicians, and newsmakers, all at different stages of their journey.
00:25:53.440 So if you're looking to connect, then we hope you'll join us.
00:25:56.980 Listen to the Honest Talk podcast on iHeartRadio or wherever you listen to your podcasts.
00:26:03.500 Hey, it's Bobby Bones.
00:26:05.020 Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday on our podcast,
00:26:09.700 Lots to Say, with me, Bobby Bones, and Matt Castle.
00:26:12.620 We also bring in friends, they're mostly Matt's friends, who are current or former NFL players,
00:26:17.500 some of the biggest names in music and entertainment,
00:26:19.720 and then we have some really great conversations that can pretty much go anywhere.
00:26:22.680 The great Pac-Man Jones.
00:26:24.240 After the game, the whole national task force for police officers was at the stadium.
00:26:29.100 Like, hey, buddy, yeah, you, Adam.
00:26:31.440 Come on.
00:26:31.760 And one of my favorite segments we do is called Situational Awareness,
00:26:35.320 where Bobby and I give each other real-life situations
00:26:38.740 and figure out what we'd actually do.
00:26:41.000 You're in training camp, and the rookie quarterback has
00:26:43.580 one good throwing session in front of the media.
00:26:46.200 Suddenly, everybody online says he should start over you week one.
00:26:49.500 How do you handle this?
00:26:50.200 You just go back out to practice the next day
00:26:52.180 and wait for him to mess up.
00:26:54.520 Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle
00:26:57.020 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
00:26:59.720 or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:27:02.700 Hi, I'm Michael Imperioli.
00:27:04.260 I want to tell you about my new podcast, Underground Zero.
00:27:07.780 I'm on the plane, honey. Something's wrong.
00:27:10.180 It's about what happened in the aftermath
00:27:12.120 of the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York.
00:27:15.720 We're looking at the opportunity of a lifetime
00:27:17.440 for us and the other families.
00:27:19.140 While the world was mourning, five powerful New York families saw an opportunity.
00:27:24.220 The debris is supposed to go to the city-owned salvage yard, and some of it will.
00:27:29.520 They would go on to make millions of dollars.
00:27:32.300 What's in the tunnels?
00:27:33.420 Gold bars, silver ingots. It could be worth half a billion.
00:27:36.920 And they would have made more if it hadn't been for one courageous cop.
00:27:40.480 No, Dad, don't.
00:27:41.380 You're going to need all of us. I'll call you when I can.
00:27:43.280 Frank, be careful.
00:27:44.180 Underground Zero, starring Steve Schirippa, Ray Abruzzo, and me, Michael Imperioli.
00:27:50.420 Would you be willing to see your family go to pieces?
00:27:53.300 Some ways it already has.
00:27:55.760 Listen to Underground Zero on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:28:04.200 The NFL never stops, and neither does its newest podcast.
00:28:08.360 The NFL Report, hosted by me, Andrew Siciliano.
00:28:11.540 It is your home for everything football.
00:28:14.180 We're tapping the biggest news stories, giving you expert analysis, fantasy previews, game
00:28:31.060 picks, and more.
00:28:34.120 Want to hear from the league's top stars ahead of the biggest matchups?
00:28:39.000 We've got you covered.
00:28:40.360 They're a really good football team.
00:28:41.820 We've got to have all hands on deck.
00:28:43.180 Join me and an all-star cast of analysts for everything you need to know from around the league.
00:28:48.940 Get new episodes of the NFL Report Monday through Friday, all season long.
00:28:53.600 Listen to the NFL Report podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:29:01.100 A shocking crime and a cover-up at the highest levels of the United States Marine Corps.
00:29:07.120 Someone opened the door and was the primary shooter.
00:29:10.400 Is it possible you could do that and then suppress the memory?
00:29:12.540 A new podcast series, Faultline Haditha, tells the story the United States government wants to keep buried.
00:29:19.860 How can you not know there were women and children in there?
00:29:22.600 Are you going to tell us here that you don't know what happened that day?
00:29:25.400 Based on thousands of pages of previously classified documents and over a hundred hours of secretly filmed video,
00:29:33.040 the truth about one of the most infamous crimes in Marine Corps history can finally be told.
00:29:38.440 If you've got five players, and one of them is guilty of murder at least, and you offer immunity to the other four, you better be right about the fifth.
00:29:46.960 Because if you're not, then you've just given immunity to your killer.
00:29:50.500 Listen to Faultline Haditha on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:30:00.900 I'm Brett Coleman.
00:30:02.220 And I'm Trevor Sikama.
00:30:03.040 Have you ever watched a game and wondered what really made the difference beyond the final score?
00:30:07.360 That's exactly why we created NFL Pro.
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00:30:12.320 Touchdown!
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00:30:14.320 Every week, we use exclusive next-gen stats insights and NFL content
00:30:18.720 to break down the biggest stories, matchups, and moments from around the league.
00:30:23.560 We go beyond the box score to uncover the numbers, the tendencies,
00:30:27.300 and details that help explain what actually happened on the field.
00:30:31.300 Fires it out in the flat to Barkley, who beats one man,
00:30:34.240 spins past another leaps over a third and don't worry this isn't just a show for stats experts
00:30:41.780 we use advanced analytics to help tell the story behind the game turning the numbers into insights
00:30:47.340 that every fan can understand and enjoy so whether you're a casual fan learning more about football
00:30:52.880 or a hardcore fan who can't get enough analysis our goal is to help you see the game in a whole
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00:31:18.820 The new NFL season is here, and you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along
00:31:25.120 to Super Bowl 61.
00:31:27.580 Last year, we had Mike McDonald,
00:31:29.440 Sam Darnold on the field after the game.
00:31:31.980 But that was last year. 0.94
00:31:33.200 If you're a football sicko like me, 0.52
00:31:35.140 NFL Daily is your kind of show. 0.81
00:31:37.200 It is in the name.
00:31:38.900 NFL Daily, fresh content in your feed
00:31:41.240 every day, all season long.
00:31:43.860 Matthew Stafford coming off his MVP season.
00:31:46.320 On a dazzling dart from Matthew Stafford.
00:31:51.180 Big time trades that shake up the NFL.
00:31:53.460 And of course, those Seahawks trying to run it back
00:31:58.400 and win another Lombardi trophy.
00:32:00.920 The Seahawks win Super Bowl 60.
00:32:04.660 They are bringing the Lombardi back to the Northwest.
00:32:08.200 If it's happening on a football field, NFL Daily will cover it.
00:32:12.220 Listen to NFL Daily on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
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00:32:19.640 Let's go to another story, and this one is very interesting.
00:32:22.560 and remind people about what the 1619 Project is
00:32:26.840 because we're going to talk about the founder of that
00:32:28.640 and a big regret that is now being said publicly
00:32:32.340 about sending their child to a failing public school.
00:32:36.380 Well, we started this podcast by talking about the woke left
00:32:41.400 and Kamala and Abdul arm-in-arm embracing DEI
00:32:46.400 and talking about black birthing people.
00:32:48.320 at the same time as at the height of woke lunacy was the 1619 project the 1619 project originated
00:32:57.020 with the new york times and it was designed to fundamentally change american history and to say
00:33:04.400 you know we just celebrated america's 250 because it's the 250th birthday of america of the signing
00:33:11.120 of the declaration of independence well the the 1619 project was designed to say america did not
00:33:15.780 begin with the Declaration of Independence. It did not begin with the Constitution. Instead,
00:33:20.100 it began in 1619 when the first slaves were brought to America. And the 1619 Project is 0.87
00:33:27.080 designed to tear down our nation's founding, tear down the principles that America was built upon,
00:33:33.180 and instead indoctrinate children with the lie that America is fundamentally racist and oppressive.
00:33:38.280 The 1619 Project is a Marxist endeavor from the New York Times. And the person who led all of that
00:33:44.920 is a woman named nicole hannah jones she was the driving force behind the c1619 project and by the
00:33:51.700 way they produced a curriculum that they sent out to public schools and and public schools all over
00:33:57.000 the country taught this garbage to our kids well this week nicole hannah jones wrote a long op-ed
00:34:04.120 that that i actually want to read from because it's one of the most astonishing and sad admissions 0.97
00:34:09.940 of just the failure of the left.
00:34:12.600 And I don't think she fully understands what she was writing,
00:34:16.140 but these words are a more damning indictment than anything I could say
00:34:21.460 about the failure of left-wing ideology.
00:34:25.940 It begins as follows.
00:34:28.560 In fighting for every black child, did I betray my own?
00:34:33.720 A decade ago, I made a decision about my daughter's education
00:34:36.720 that I hoped would challenge New York City's
00:34:38.900 separate and unequal school system.
00:34:41.420 Now 16, she thinks I made the wrong choice.
00:34:46.360 I could feel her looking at me.
00:34:48.640 Her body slung in adolescent impertinence
00:34:52.180 against the front passenger seat door.
00:34:55.080 Shoulders turned so she could face me fully.
00:34:58.400 Usually, when I picked up my daughter, Najah, 0.99
00:35:01.100 from middle school, she'd tumble into the car 1.00
00:35:04.180 and bombard me with a day's escapades,
00:35:06.240 chattering nonstop about her friend group or complaints about an annoying teacher or a wonder
00:35:10.940 at the test she'd aced despite thinking she'd failed it. But not this day. Did you know my
00:35:18.300 school was bad like this when you decided to put me here? She asked. My hands tightened on the
00:35:25.520 steering wheel as I worked to keep my face neutral, buying a few moments to gather my thoughts.
00:35:32.100 As they neared the end of her seventh grade year,
00:35:34.720 Naja and her closest girlfriends were thinking about their futures.
00:35:39.740 Honor students, they searched the nation's top colleges,
00:35:43.500 and that led to a curiosity about New York City's highest-ranked public high schools.
00:35:49.080 Wondering about their chances of getting in,
00:35:50.780 they decided to Google their own school and its ratings. 0.99
00:35:54.320 And in doing so, Naja and her tight trio of black girl nerds 0.96
00:35:58.780 confronted not only the reality of the city's deeply segregated educational landscape, 0.90
00:36:04.600 but also that the Brooklyn school they all attended existed firmly on the wrong side of the divide.
00:36:12.160 By dismissal time, nausea's shock had turned into boiling, 0.99
00:36:17.920 and the seatbelt was barely clicked before she was confronting me.
00:36:22.460 I had braced myself for this moment, spent nearly a decade expecting it, preparing for it. 0.99
00:36:28.780 When Najah was entering pre-K, my husband, Faraji, and I decided to send her to the type of school that wealthier families with choices uniformly avoid, one that is low income and mostly black. 0.85
00:36:43.760 Our decision had been informed by values shaped by my years of reporting on the enduring and too often seemingly hopeless battle for school integration. 0.99
00:36:53.180 I've lost count of how many times I've written some version of this sentence.
00:36:58.380 Nationally, a black student is less likely to have teachers who are qualified and experienced
00:37:03.120 and to be offered rigorous and college prep curriculum to have up-to-date technology
00:37:08.540 and attend school in modernized facilities.
00:37:11.980 In New York, a combination of housing segregation and academic sorting, called school choice,
00:37:18.160 that begins as early as pre-K means most black students, even middle class ones,
00:37:24.040 are forced to attend racially segregated schools with high rates of poverty.
00:37:28.640 And nationally, schools in predominantly non-white districts receive $23 billion less in annual
00:37:34.160 funding than their heavily white counterparts, according to a 2019 analysis by NBUILD.
00:37:39.720 In everything that we measure, these schools have less, even though the economically struggling
00:37:44.460 student bodies they serve need more. And so the test scores and poor academic performance
00:37:49.780 they typify, and that typify these schools, reflect not just the disadvantage of the students,
00:37:55.880 but more essentially the disadvantage of the schools. New York City is a diverse school system.
00:38:02.180 All right, I'm going to skip forward a little bit. So, like the generations of black parents 0.98
00:38:07.660 who came before us, Farage and I felt an obligation to make educational decisions
00:38:12.380 based on the collective good, and not just our individual advantage. New York is considered one
00:38:19.160 of this nation's most liberal cities while operating a school system that is among the
00:38:22.880 most racially segregated. This segregation exists because policymakers and affluent parents,
00:38:28.260 even those who profess a belief in integration and equality, shed their advocacy at the schoolhouse
00:38:33.860 door and refused to take or support any substantial action to integrate the city schools.
00:38:39.560 Faragey and I decided that our role in this struggle meant upending the status quo and
00:38:44.160 sending our child not to a wealthy white school but to a poor black one. That may appear paradoxical 0.55
00:38:51.200 but only if we forget that the battle for school integration wasn't catalyzed by the desire to put
00:38:56.000 black students next to a white student but by an effort to ensure that black children received
00:39:01.100 access to equal educational resources. We thought by sending NAJA to a mostly low-income and black
00:39:08.940 school we could help improve it for all the children there. From my past reporting I knew
00:39:13.560 that PTAs at poor schools often can raise only a few thousand dollars, but Faragey and I could
00:39:18.860 write checks that exceeded the annual PTA budget. I witnessed how dismissive school officials could
00:39:24.880 be to lower-income parents who lodged complaints or made demands for resources, and how deferential
00:39:30.040 they were to the wealthy ones. I believe Faragey and I could bring some of that power with us.
00:39:35.740 We had connections and time and status that should not matter, but we all know do. And more than that,
00:39:42.120 we believe strongly that if families like ours went into schools like this one, it would challenge
00:39:46.180 other families with similar values to do the same. After much internal debate in our household in
00:39:52.080 2015, we enrolled nausea in pre-k at public school 307, a segregated high poverty school across from
00:39:58.560 the Farragut housing projects in Brooklyn. I hadn't intended at first to write about our decision,
00:40:04.540 but a few months into the academic year, PS 307 became embroiled in an integration battle when
00:40:10.300 parents protested the reassignment of their children from a wealthy and predominantly white
00:40:14.360 school to ours. It felt impossible for me not to weigh in. In 2016, I wrote an essay in this magazine
00:40:21.600 called, quote, choosing a school for my daughter in a segregated city about our experience in a
00:40:27.180 system in which educational inequality was widely accepted. Our daughter, then a kindergartner with
00:40:33.240 afro puffs a plaid school uniform and jordan clad feet appeared on the cover the piece struck a
00:40:42.000 chord in a way i could not have predicted readers flooded my inbox and posted hundreds of comments
00:40:47.360 okay and i'm going to skip forward a little more in the outside world my choice had earned me valor
00:40:54.280 and yet that day under the withering glare of my daughter the words that i was formulated
00:41:00.800 formulating sounded hollow to my ears, even before they passed my lips.
00:41:08.300 Your school is not bad, I told her, modulating my voice. What are you talking about?
00:41:15.600 Naja grew agitated. You know what I'm talking about. We looked up our school. We saw the test
00:41:22.060 scores. We saw the ratings. She ticked off the school's below average reading and math scores,
00:41:27.040 and that it ranked poorly on a popular school rating website.
00:41:30.800 I said I was aware of her school's academic rankings,
00:41:33.660 but the test scores alone do not define a school.
00:41:37.340 Glancing between her and the road,
00:41:39.440 I told her that everything I had said a hundred times on stages
00:41:42.680 in interviews and discussions since I had made her a symbol,
00:41:46.640 since I had made her a symbol
00:41:50.060 of how the choices we make can help sustain
00:41:53.980 or dismantle educational inequality.
00:41:57.040 I talked about the deep inequality in New York schools and how, like black families who came before us, we had an obligation to be part of the struggle of our larger community.
00:42:06.240 Even if her schools were not academically the strongest, I explained, her father and I knew we could provide for her tutoring and any other assistance to make up for what her school may have lacked.
00:42:17.300 But my child just shook her head, her face a mask of disbelief.
00:42:22.880 and something else betrayal so you had the money to send me to one of the best schools
00:42:33.140 and you chose not to wow she said her voice hurling the words because other kids
00:42:44.700 are disadvantaged. You didn't want to put me in a great school?
00:42:51.820 Najah was asking what I'd accomplished by not choosing the quote best school for her.
00:42:59.200 And the honest answer is, I don't know. When it comes to the choices my husband and I have made
00:43:06.280 about public education, these days I feel that I failed both my values and my child.
00:43:12.780 I did not, when we chose PS307, go into this with naivete. I understood exactly what we would face,
00:43:21.800 could cite studies and statistics by heart. But when I wrote my essay, we were in the propitious
00:43:28.440 years. It was Naja just a kindergartner with two caring and astute co-teachers. The district had
00:43:35.180 placed one of its new universal pre-K programs at Naja's school, and it had attracted other
00:43:40.160 well-off families who enrolled their children the year we did, and many had stayed for kindergarten.
00:43:45.580 Najah adored school and seemed to be reading and doing math on grade level. She was also developing
00:43:50.820 a strong sense of herself as a black girl in a classroom that, unlike the rest of the school,
00:43:56.660 was multicultural and economically diverse, a reflection of the city and the world. At the
00:44:01.500 start of each year, the students created self-portraits, and I chuckled with my husband
00:44:05.980 when our light-skinned child chose to draw her with a chestnut-colored crayon and not the beige
00:44:11.740 one because that's how she saw herself. But this did not, I suppose could not, last. The dynamic
00:44:20.440 exceptional principal who headed the school when we enrolled Najah into pre-k, a woman who had 0.99
00:44:25.300 herself grown up in the public housing across the street and had turned this high-poverty school 0.97
00:44:29.440 into a vibrant learning community, retired at the end of the year. It was soon clear that the new
00:44:35.380 principal was not up to the task of sustaining the work of the veteran educator she had replaced.
00:44:41.180 Towards the end of first grade, Najah started sometimes saying she didn't like her school
00:44:46.800 and complaining about how chaotic it was at lunch. I decided to visit during the lunch period,
00:44:53.120 and I was shocked by what I saw. Najah's class and another class were sitting at their tables
00:45:00.760 in the cafeteria with no lunch and no adult supervision. Children were running wild, chasing,
00:45:10.440 hitting, and pushing each other, while the teachers, aides, and cafeteria workers stood by
00:45:16.100 looking bored. Several times, I had to instruct children to stop striking each other and to sit
00:45:22.960 down, at one point physically pulling two boys apart. When I asked one of the aides why the
00:45:28.660 children weren't being supervised, she told me the lunch period was short-staffed. After I sat
00:45:35.340 back down with nausea, she told me, it's always like this, and that's why I don't want to go to
00:45:41.060 this school. It was not that the children horrified me. Kids of all incomes are rambunctious at
00:45:47.720 lunchtime. It was the callous disregard of the adults. Students respond to the high or low
00:45:56.380 expectations of institutions and the grown-ups who operate them. And it was clear that these
00:46:01.760 messages, that these children were getting the message. After lunch, I headed straight to the
00:46:09.280 principal's office to meet with her. Afterwards, I sent a lengthy email about what I had witnessed
00:46:13.560 and demanded the unsafe lunchroom conditions be addressed. And what had become a pattern when we
00:46:19.160 raised concerns, it took several days before the principal responded and several more weeks of
00:46:24.580 emails and calls before she announced a plan to address the lunchtime issues. Okay, and I'm going
00:46:29.980 to scroll forward a little more, and I know this is lengthy, but I just think this is so incredibly
00:46:35.180 powerful that it's worth really listening to her words. She continues, but fourth grade was the
00:46:43.080 worst year. At the first parent-teacher conference in November 2019, Najah's teachers told us that
00:46:49.040 she was not performing on grade level in any of her academic subjects, and that her assessment
00:46:55.520 given at the start of the school year had shown she was not a proficient reader. We were perplexed.
00:47:02.720 Najah was always a good student, and her past reading assessments were always at or above grade
00:47:07.060 level. When I got home that night, I emailed her teachers and copied the principal. We needed to
00:47:12.720 understand why our daughter was suddenly floundering. I told them we wanted to see Najah's
00:47:18.000 reading assessment and all the graded classroom work so we could determine what she didn't
00:47:21.860 understand and get her tutoring. I was trying to signal that we were active and involved parents
00:47:26.900 and that we wanted to be partners with them in our daughter's success. Neither of Naja's teachers
00:47:32.080 nor the principal bothered to respond. What follows was a series of emails and phone calls
00:47:40.300 and meetings trying to get basic items, copies of Naja's graded work, her reading assessments,
00:47:44.640 her test results and receiving nothing then one day in december nausea came home and excitedly
00:47:52.200 informed me that she had suddenly jumped three grade levels in reading in one month
00:47:56.120 knowing that this was virtually impossible i reached out to the school's literacy coach
00:48:05.060 and learned that after we began asking reading assessment nausea's teacher had instructed the
00:48:10.380 coach to perform the evaluation and that she found Najah was reading just fine. What became clear to
00:48:16.120 me was that Najah's teacher most likely never performed the school's mandatory reading assessment
00:48:21.120 for Najah or any of her classmates, but instead it assumed the flagging competency of these mostly 0.64
00:48:27.800 low-income black children. Finally, a few days before school let out for winter break, I received 0.99
00:48:35.160 a folder from Najah's backpack with the math assignments I'd been requesting since our
00:48:38.880 conference. Once I tucked her into bed, I sat at my dining room table and scanned one page,
00:48:44.520 then another, then another. None of them were graded. I started checking Najah's work
00:48:52.540 and discovered most of her answers were wrong. Najah believed herself to be good at math. 0.98
00:49:01.600 It was her favorite subject. But now I understood she thought she was correctly solving all her 0.72
00:49:07.340 problems because her teacher was not checking her work. Similarly, Najah's writing assignments
00:49:15.280 were rife with uncorrected punctuation, capitalization, and grammar errors. I sat
00:49:22.180 there silently for several minutes, conjuring the image of my little girl thinking she was soaring
00:49:27.740 in class when she was failing, and my devastation morphed into hot rage. All right, now I want to
00:49:36.260 skip forward to the end she describes continued challenges in the public school essentially she 1.00
00:49:42.060 eventually she transfers to another school because her daughter insists and then she has
00:49:46.380 enormous difficulty at the more challenging school because she failed to get the education
00:49:51.140 she needed as a young girl yeah here's how the article ends one day one day in june as i was
00:49:59.240 immersed in writing this essay. My phone rang. It was Najah. She was 16 and was finishing the
00:50:06.440 final weeks of her sophomore year. She was making her daily call for lunch money, a ritual I created
00:50:13.200 to force her to check in with me once during the school day. Hello, baby cakes. I tried to sound 0.99
00:50:18.480 cheery. I failed. What's wrong, mommy? She asked immediately. I'd been making my way through pages
00:50:25.580 and pages of email exchanges with Najah's principals and teachers, and this had jostled
00:50:30.160 loose a truth I could no longer suppress. For years, I had been defending my decision to Najah,
00:50:37.260 trying hard to balance empathy for her with the justification of her father's and my choices.
00:50:43.880 I wanted my child to see it my way, to see the struggle she was having as part of a lineage and
00:50:49.140 a mandate, to understand the tremendous privilege that I believe inoculated her
00:50:53.540 against the worst consequences of the dysfunction and at times educational malpractice that she and
00:51:00.880 classmates experienced. But now I felt overcome with regret. Naja deserved better. They all did,
00:51:10.340 but she was mine. This girl, my only child, looked to me to protect her, to give her what
00:51:21.220 she needed to thrive, and I had not chosen her. I almost cannot type the words, because when I do,
00:51:33.680 an image of her in her blue school uniform, her hair in beaded cornrows that clicked when she
00:51:39.860 swung them, with her sweet baby-toothed smile springs to mind, and the tears come. On the phone,
00:51:47.220 I knew that if I tried to brush off Naja's question, she would simply keep asking. She was
00:51:53.940 like me in that way, relentless. So I told her that I'd been reading through the old emails and
00:51:59.240 that I was feeling really sad that she had gone through so much and that I hadn't listened to
00:52:03.280 her more. I feel like you got cheated, I said, and I'm sorry for that. For a moment, Naja said
00:52:12.000 nothing then she told me sometimes I wish instead of always thinking about other kids
00:52:19.300 you would have thought about me I never really got the education I wanted I gotta tell you Ben
00:52:26.000 that that is one of the saddest essays I've ever read and and and I left out quite a bit it's it's 0.97
00:52:31.160 substantially longer than that but look Nicole Hannah-Jones is still a left-wing ideologue 0.98
00:52:39.100 She still passionately opposes school choice. 0.89
00:52:42.120 She opposes giving scholarships to kids in failing schools to attend better schools.
00:52:46.820 She's fighting to close the door on other kids that want to get an education, want to learn to read, want to learn to write.
00:52:52.780 And she's doing it because she embraces the hardcore leftist ideology.
00:52:57.140 But I will say those words, you can feel her pain.
00:53:00.080 You can feel the tragedy of sacrificing her own child.
00:53:06.140 Activism over child.
00:53:07.320 and you know look i i hope i i will commend her for writing this essay this was not an easy essay
00:53:14.900 to write very few people in public life ever say i was wrong that's a hard thing to say and and it
00:53:22.600 she goes on to write well this just shows that the whole world is racist and everything's horrible
00:53:27.100 she she takes no lessons from it that are that are the lessons one should which is we should be
00:53:33.920 fighting for school choice and scholarships for kids so they can get great education she doesn't
00:53:37.860 take that but it is the inevitable logical conclusion of what she said and and and i just
00:53:44.640 in 14 years in the senate the single thing i'm most proud of doing is is authoring the federal
00:53:52.920 school choice tax credit that will kick in next year that is going to unleash tens of billions of
00:53:58.760 dollars in new scholarships so that even if he's failing schools yeah yeah so that other kids in
00:54:06.860 that circumstance can get a lifeline of hope and and and that that essay i think powerfully
00:54:13.220 powerfully shows why it's needed and why i believe with all my heart that school choice
00:54:18.500 is the civil rights issue of the 21st century yeah couldn't agree with you more i'm and by the
00:54:24.980 you can find that article, read the entire thing
00:54:27.700 if you want to, it's powerful, that's why we
00:54:29.480 write it here for you, a large part of it
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