Verdict with Ted Cruz - May 06, 2022


Big Sister Is Watching


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Within just days of Elon Musk announcing his intention to buy Twitter to give conservatives more freedom to speak our minds on just one of the biggest tech platforms, the Biden administration has announced the creation of a Disinformation governance board to make sure that misinformation, disinformation, malinformation is not allowed to be said. Big Sister is watching.

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00:00:04.120 Well, that was fast.
00:00:05.920 Within just days of Elon Musk announcing his intention to buy Twitter
00:00:10.260 to give conservatives a little more freedom to speak our minds
00:00:14.980 on just one of the big tech platforms,
00:00:17.860 the Biden administration has announced the creation
00:00:21.240 of a disinformation governance board,
00:00:24.600 a brand new ministry of truth
00:00:26.860 to make sure that misinformation, disinformation, malinformation,
00:00:33.220 really anything that you and I want to say is not allowed to be said.
00:00:37.240 Big Sister is watching.
00:00:38.940 This is Verdict with Ted Cruz.
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00:04:21.920 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz.
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00:04:37.200 For now, Senator,
00:04:38.880 how much time do we have left?
00:04:41.320 Well, I don't know,
00:04:42.420 but I just got an order from Big Sis
00:04:44.300 that from now on,
00:04:45.680 this podcast must be done
00:04:47.840 entirely by singing Broadway show tunes.
00:04:50.980 That is a fate worse than a cancellation.
00:04:56.440 Big Sis, I suspect you're referring to, 0.64
00:04:58.680 is Nina Jankiewicz,
00:05:00.400 the Biden pick to lead
00:05:01.920 the Disinformation Governance Board,
00:05:04.600 about whom I know only two things.
00:05:06.740 One, she spread misinformation 0.99
00:05:08.960 about the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:05:11.300 And two, she loves singing show tunes on camera.
00:05:14.760 And to her credit,
00:05:15.980 she's actually a pretty good singer. 1.00
00:05:17.980 It's a little bizarre and creepy
00:05:19.860 what she sings,
00:05:21.180 but she, I don't know,
00:05:23.080 is a professional or semi-professional singer,
00:05:25.320 but she's this hard, knee-jerk leftist. 0.99
00:05:30.020 And, you know,
00:05:31.480 watching, number one,
00:05:33.020 Secretary Mayorkas,
00:05:34.920 who has presided over
00:05:36.480 the most lawless cadmium agency
00:05:38.480 in the history of our country,
00:05:39.860 which the Department of Homeland Security
00:05:42.300 has decided,
00:05:43.140 we don't enforce the border.
00:05:44.200 We let two million illegal aliens come in.
00:05:46.640 The law means nothing to us.
00:05:48.340 So now,
00:05:49.720 he's created this misinformation board
00:05:52.440 in charge of fighting misinformation.
00:05:54.760 And, you know,
00:05:55.220 you pointed out,
00:05:56.700 he did it literally within hours
00:05:58.980 of Elon Musk's buying Twitter.
00:06:02.420 It is stunning.
00:06:03.460 Listen,
00:06:03.920 the left's ideas 1.00
00:06:05.100 are crap. 1.00
00:06:07.660 They cannot defend them. 1.00
00:06:09.720 They don't want to defend them.
00:06:10.880 They want to silence everyone
00:06:12.100 who disagrees.
00:06:13.120 Let me show you something amazing
00:06:15.480 about Elon buying Twitter,
00:06:18.400 which is,
00:06:20.200 Twitter accepted Elon Musk's
00:06:22.420 offer to buy Twitter
00:06:24.200 on April 25th.
00:06:26.880 The very next day,
00:06:31.020 literally the next day,
00:06:32.040 April 26th,
00:06:33.940 my new Twitter followers skyrocketed.
00:06:37.820 So I'm just going to read you
00:06:39.020 the daily count of it
00:06:40.320 because it's stunning.
00:06:41.680 So on April 19th,
00:06:43.080 I gained 1,713 followers.
00:06:46.240 April 24th, 1,486.
00:06:49.060 April 25th,
00:06:50.200 the day Twitter says yes
00:06:51.520 to Elon Musk,
00:06:53.460 1,214.
00:06:54.940 So consistently day after day,
00:06:57.840 I'm between 1,000
00:06:58.760 and 2,000 new followers.
00:07:00.760 The next day,
00:07:01.860 what's your guess
00:07:02.740 as to how many new followers
00:07:03.780 I got the next day?
00:07:06.160 I'm going to say it doubled
00:07:07.500 at least.
00:07:08.560 On April 26th,
00:07:12.360 51,405.
00:07:16.120 Oh my gosh.
00:07:17.600 On April 27th,
00:07:19.900 61,251.
00:07:22.960 On April 28th,
00:07:25.760 70,584.
00:07:30.380 The level of shadow banning,
00:07:33.700 it's as if,
00:07:34.440 and by the way,
00:07:34.920 this is true for conservatives
00:07:35.900 across the board,
00:07:36.980 that they're seeing their numbers.
00:07:38.580 Mine literally went
00:07:39.520 from 1,000 to 2,000 a day
00:07:41.060 to 50,000, 60,000, 70,000.
00:07:44.840 I've gone from 4.8 million followers
00:07:46.920 to 5.1 million followers
00:07:48.920 in a week.
00:07:50.300 And all it took
00:07:51.320 was Elon buying it.
00:07:52.680 The same thing
00:07:53.620 has happened with me.
00:07:54.940 I am not a United States senator.
00:07:56.660 I have not run for president.
00:07:58.460 I am but a humble podcaster.
00:08:00.760 I've gained
00:08:01.380 at least 100,000 followers
00:08:03.300 in the,
00:08:04.100 what is it,
00:08:04.380 a week since Elon took over.
00:08:06.260 It's been something
00:08:07.180 like a clip
00:08:07.800 of 20,000 per day.
00:08:09.940 So either that means
00:08:11.360 that they've unleashed
00:08:12.740 the bots,
00:08:14.000 which I don't think it is,
00:08:15.200 by the way,
00:08:15.520 because my engagement
00:08:16.600 on Twitter is up.
00:08:18.540 I'm seeing new people,
00:08:20.080 new blue checkmark people
00:08:21.380 who are ostensibly verified
00:08:22.740 human beings.
00:08:23.580 It seems as though,
00:08:25.640 because don't forget,
00:08:26.520 this deal hasn't even
00:08:27.260 gone through yet.
00:08:28.000 So it's just the threat
00:08:29.580 that Elon is going to buy it.
00:08:30.840 It seems as though
00:08:31.440 this has lifted
00:08:32.040 a major shadow banning
00:08:33.700 of conservatives.
00:08:34.460 You know,
00:08:35.040 it's like they're sitting there
00:08:36.920 running the shredders
00:08:38.980 going, 0.99
00:08:39.740 oh crap, 0.97
00:08:40.440 they're going to find out 0.98
00:08:41.340 all the stuff we've done.
00:08:42.440 Shred it all.
00:08:43.100 Turn the algorithm off.
00:08:44.200 And then within hours,
00:08:47.920 the Biden administration
00:08:49.220 announces,
00:08:50.140 we have a new board
00:08:51.240 to fight misinformation.
00:08:53.240 I got to tell you,
00:08:53.840 I had,
00:08:54.420 so this week I've had
00:08:55.520 two hearings
00:08:56.160 where I've asked
00:08:56.800 Biden officials about this.
00:08:58.800 First of all,
00:08:59.280 I had a foreign
00:08:59.820 relations committee hearing
00:09:01.040 with the deputy
00:09:02.160 secretary of state
00:09:03.200 because,
00:09:04.800 okay,
00:09:05.080 so Mayorkas got popped 1.00
00:09:06.400 on Sunday about this
00:09:07.580 and he says,
00:09:07.920 no, no, no,
00:09:08.760 this is not to go
00:09:10.040 after American speech.
00:09:11.360 This is all about
00:09:12.280 foreign speech.
00:09:13.140 This is foreign 1.00
00:09:13.980 disinformation only.
00:09:15.680 Now,
00:09:15.820 mind you,
00:09:16.920 this office is not
00:09:19.060 at the U.S.
00:09:19.740 Department of State.
00:09:20.500 It's at the Department
00:09:21.440 of Homeland Security.
00:09:23.240 It's directed
00:09:23.980 at Americans 0.53
00:09:24.960 in the homeland.
00:09:25.880 But their talking point
00:09:26.960 is,
00:09:27.280 no, no, no,
00:09:27.520 this is only
00:09:28.060 foreign disinformation.
00:09:29.480 So I asked
00:09:30.280 the Department of State
00:09:31.240 today,
00:09:31.960 the deputy secretary
00:09:32.840 of state,
00:09:33.240 I said,
00:09:33.500 it so happens
00:09:34.280 there actually
00:09:35.500 is a longstanding
00:09:36.780 office at the
00:09:37.800 State Department
00:09:38.480 whose statutory
00:09:40.260 mission is
00:09:41.220 to fight
00:09:42.460 disinformation
00:09:43.760 abroad
00:09:45.020 from foreign
00:09:46.060 governments.
00:09:47.520 And it's funded,
00:09:48.500 Congress just funded
00:09:49.300 them $150 million.
00:09:50.960 Its statutory
00:09:52.040 mission is exactly 0.99
00:09:53.360 what these clowns 0.99
00:09:54.240 are claiming 1.00
00:09:54.620 the new office
00:09:55.240 is going to do.
00:09:56.180 So I asked
00:09:56.800 the State Department,
00:09:57.760 gosh,
00:09:59.040 did anybody
00:09:59.800 talk to you
00:10:00.500 about this?
00:10:01.260 No.
00:10:01.960 Do you know
00:10:02.300 anything about it?
00:10:03.100 No,
00:10:03.380 I have no idea.
00:10:04.060 Is it concerning
00:10:05.820 to you that
00:10:06.420 they've announced
00:10:06.980 a new office
00:10:08.160 that they're claiming
00:10:09.280 is doing the same
00:10:10.200 thing your existing
00:10:11.020 office is doing?
00:10:12.160 I have no idea.
00:10:13.220 Nobody consulted us.
00:10:14.160 We know nothing.
00:10:15.200 So that was lie
00:10:15.860 number one.
00:10:18.040 Number two,
00:10:20.000 we also had
00:10:20.780 Pete Buttigieg,
00:10:21.720 the secretary
00:10:22.180 of transportation,
00:10:23.660 testifying before
00:10:24.700 the Senate today.
00:10:25.920 And I asked him
00:10:26.580 about this.
00:10:27.980 And I said,
00:10:29.040 look,
00:10:29.200 I read a quote
00:10:30.020 from the presidential
00:10:31.300 campaign where he
00:10:32.160 gave,
00:10:32.520 he waxed poetically
00:10:33.740 about free speech
00:10:34.600 is wonderful.
00:10:35.300 It's incredible.
00:10:36.220 It's what makes
00:10:36.880 America America.
00:10:37.740 I value free speech.
00:10:39.520 When I was a soldier
00:10:40.580 fighting for America,
00:10:41.660 the flag on my shoulder,
00:10:43.080 it represented free speech.
00:10:44.740 It was,
00:10:45.080 you know,
00:10:45.260 he's a pretty eloquent guy.
00:10:47.240 And I read the whole quote.
00:10:48.600 I said,
00:10:48.980 you know,
00:10:49.180 gosh,
00:10:49.440 I agree with every word of that.
00:10:50.920 That's beautifully stated.
00:10:52.960 Do you still agree with that?
00:10:54.220 Do you still agree
00:10:54.740 with free speech?
00:10:55.560 Yes.
00:10:56.580 Well,
00:10:56.760 then why did the Biden
00:10:57.560 administration announce
00:10:58.680 an office,
00:10:59.660 the ministry of truth
00:11:00.740 to silence people
00:11:02.280 who disagree with you?
00:11:03.920 And he immediately
00:11:04.960 backtracked.
00:11:05.740 He's like,
00:11:05.980 well,
00:11:06.440 well,
00:11:06.900 well,
00:11:07.100 I don't know.
00:11:07.500 I don't know.
00:11:08.520 I'm like,
00:11:08.780 well,
00:11:08.900 come on.
00:11:09.360 I mean,
00:11:09.740 you're,
00:11:10.320 you're aware of this,
00:11:11.280 right?
00:11:12.260 And he's like,
00:11:12.860 well,
00:11:14.520 well,
00:11:16.720 well,
00:11:16.860 I,
00:11:17.140 I don't know,
00:11:18.400 but it's to stop disinformation
00:11:20.240 to stop Russian disinformation.
00:11:23.800 I said,
00:11:24.400 really?
00:11:24.680 Like Hunter Biden's laptop?
00:11:26.520 Is that what you mean
00:11:27.620 by disinformation?
00:11:29.160 He's like,
00:11:29.480 well,
00:11:29.600 I don't know anything
00:11:30.360 about Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:11:32.120 It's like,
00:11:32.760 oh,
00:11:32.980 really?
00:11:33.600 Nobody seems to know
00:11:34.480 anything about Hunter Biden's laptop,
00:11:36.220 do they?
00:11:36.440 Well,
00:11:36.660 and in this case,
00:11:37.920 the woman who's going to be running 1.00
00:11:40.020 the Ministry of Truth here for Biden
00:11:42.060 used that specific example.
00:11:44.460 So this is not just a hypothetical.
00:11:46.020 She said the Hunter Biden laptop
00:11:47.580 was a case of Russian disinformation.
00:11:50.120 And so presumably,
00:11:51.140 this board would have completely wiped away
00:11:53.920 that news story
00:11:54.720 had big tech
00:11:55.940 and the establishment media
00:11:57.900 not already done that for them
00:11:59.100 two years ago.
00:12:00.580 Now,
00:12:00.740 that's exactly right.
00:12:02.020 And as you know,
00:12:03.460 the talking point,
00:12:04.560 there were 50 former leaders
00:12:07.040 from the intelligence community
00:12:08.280 that put out a letter
00:12:09.680 when Hunter Biden's laptop broke
00:12:11.580 that said,
00:12:12.400 this has all the classic signs
00:12:14.120 of Russian disinformation,
00:12:15.220 which we've learned now
00:12:17.040 is code for,
00:12:18.640 this is really bad
00:12:20.380 for the Democratic presidential nominee.
00:12:22.240 But we now know that letter
00:12:25.520 was an outright blatant lie.
00:12:29.520 We know the talking point
00:12:31.220 that I don't know whether we should call Nina
00:12:33.940 the Minister of Truth
00:12:36.160 or the Commissar.
00:12:37.580 I'm kind of on the fence
00:12:39.600 as to what her
00:12:40.920 totalitarian title should be.
00:12:45.340 But she was out there pushing, 0.53
00:12:47.500 this is Russian disinformation
00:12:48.780 and that's an utter lie.
00:12:50.620 And leftists define as disinformation
00:12:54.380 anything that is inconvenient for them,
00:12:58.660 anything they disagree with,
00:13:00.280 and especially anything
00:13:01.940 that is politically damaging,
00:13:04.280 they call disinformation.
00:13:05.440 And this is the Biden administration
00:13:07.880 nakedly getting caught
00:13:09.840 with their hand in the cookie jar
00:13:11.360 to mix my metaphors pretty badly.
00:13:13.000 I'm going to upset my Yale colleague here
00:13:14.980 with that rather mangled illusion.
00:13:17.720 That is exactly the kind of thing
00:13:19.680 that the new censorship board
00:13:21.220 is going to censor,
00:13:22.500 the mixing of metaphors.
00:13:23.820 And that's a wonderful thing.
00:13:25.040 There's a little silver lining
00:13:26.120 in that storm cloud.
00:13:27.820 Senator, the White House
00:13:29.600 has given two examples
00:13:32.000 of the kind of thing
00:13:34.020 that the board is going to shut down.
00:13:36.380 That is calls to violent extremism
00:13:39.580 and as you say,
00:13:41.920 foreign disinformation,
00:13:43.080 specifically Russian disinformation.
00:13:44.900 And the problem,
00:13:45.520 it would seem to me,
00:13:46.340 is that the White House
00:13:47.860 accuses everything
00:13:49.100 that Republicans say
00:13:50.680 of being a call
00:13:51.960 to violent extremism
00:13:52.880 or Russian disinformation.
00:13:54.120 So we're joking about it.
00:13:55.800 It's absurd.
00:13:56.540 And it's funny to make fun
00:13:58.100 of this power-hungry lady 0.98
00:14:00.520 and the whole Biden administration.
00:14:02.240 But what are they going to do
00:14:04.160 and what are we going to do about it?
00:14:05.960 Look, it is so bad
00:14:08.020 that this week,
00:14:09.900 Jake Tapper from CNN
00:14:12.120 was forced to go on TV
00:14:14.860 and acknowledge,
00:14:16.260 yeah, she does really seem
00:14:17.460 to be a partisan
00:14:18.220 where she echoes
00:14:19.260 the Democratic talking points
00:14:20.860 and she's skeptical
00:14:21.660 of everything Republicans say.
00:14:23.540 And there's a clear political bias
00:14:25.680 in her take on things.
00:14:27.220 Now, when Jake Tapper,
00:14:28.840 who has become a mouthpiece
00:14:30.700 for the hard left,
00:14:32.160 he didn't used to be,
00:14:32.980 but he's become that,
00:14:34.740 when even he says that,
00:14:36.800 like, holy cow,
00:14:38.060 so what are we going to do about it?
00:14:40.180 Listen, I think one thing
00:14:41.160 we're doing about it,
00:14:41.820 we're doing right now,
00:14:42.640 which is just shining enough
00:14:43.880 of a light on it
00:14:44.780 that it prevents them
00:14:46.860 from going forward.
00:14:47.920 I do think you're seeing
00:14:49.200 the Biden administration
00:14:50.440 backpedaling.
00:14:52.960 There's been enough
00:14:53.940 of a blow pack.
00:14:54.700 I actually think labeling it
00:14:57.440 the ministry of truth
00:14:58.540 is really powerful
00:14:59.760 because, look,
00:15:00.860 obviously there are
00:15:01.700 communist regimes
00:15:02.700 that have ministries of truth
00:15:04.060 and that throw you
00:15:05.280 in the gulag
00:15:06.040 for daring to speak
00:15:08.040 other than the government line.
00:15:11.440 And calling this out
00:15:14.080 for what it is,
00:15:15.140 my hope is
00:15:16.140 that we, you know,
00:15:20.020 cut it off
00:15:21.040 right at the beginning.
00:15:24.060 If not,
00:15:25.540 then there's a reason
00:15:27.260 why I asked about it
00:15:28.740 twice this week
00:15:29.840 to two different
00:15:30.520 Biden officials
00:15:31.300 because I want to keep
00:15:32.380 the pressure on,
00:15:33.580 I want to keep the light on,
00:15:34.640 I want to force them
00:15:35.460 to defend 0.99
00:15:36.060 this ridiculous 0.98
00:15:37.740 abuse of power.
00:15:40.100 And if they continue
00:15:41.200 to try to go forward
00:15:42.380 with it,
00:15:43.480 next year,
00:15:45.520 I believe we're going
00:15:46.280 to have majorities
00:15:47.020 in both the House
00:15:47.680 and Senate.
00:15:48.160 We ought to use 0.79
00:15:48.660 the majorities
00:15:49.180 in the House
00:15:49.540 and Senate
00:15:49.880 to cut off the funding
00:15:50.960 and to shut it down
00:15:52.580 because the government
00:15:53.400 has no business
00:15:54.400 silencing
00:15:55.480 what the American people say.
00:15:57.240 I don't think
00:15:57.960 the timing is coincidental.
00:15:59.820 It's just too perfect
00:16:01.440 right after,
00:16:02.580 we've been joking about it,
00:16:03.520 but I think it's legit.
00:16:05.280 Right after Elon Musk
00:16:06.240 announces this,
00:16:07.320 you get the announcement
00:16:08.180 from the White House.
00:16:09.420 So,
00:16:09.980 then turning to Musk,
00:16:11.600 do you think this deal
00:16:12.860 is going to go through,
00:16:14.720 one,
00:16:15.260 and two,
00:16:16.680 what does that mean
00:16:17.700 for conservatives
00:16:18.440 on social media,
00:16:19.280 whether we're talking
00:16:20.140 about how the other
00:16:20.820 big tech platforms
00:16:21.600 are going to react
00:16:22.260 or whether we're talking
00:16:23.680 about how the government
00:16:24.380 is going to react.
00:16:25.480 Joe Biden is already
00:16:26.180 talking about clamping
00:16:27.600 down on Twitter
00:16:28.200 the minute they free up
00:16:29.260 speech for conservatives.
00:16:30.820 Yeah,
00:16:30.960 and by the way,
00:16:31.860 the European Union
00:16:32.680 is rattling its swords
00:16:34.600 and reminding Twitter,
00:16:35.740 we have rules to follow.
00:16:39.620 Look,
00:16:40.100 I think the deal
00:16:41.040 is going to go through.
00:16:42.020 I don't know for sure.
00:16:42.780 I don't know the inside
00:16:43.640 details of the deal,
00:16:44.900 but Elon seems
00:16:47.080 very committed
00:16:47.740 and certainly vocally committed.
00:16:49.180 The board has accepted it.
00:16:50.800 According to the public reporting,
00:16:52.360 he had financing locked down.
00:16:54.580 The financing may change
00:16:56.580 in terms of the mix
00:16:57.500 of debt and equity.
00:16:58.220 That wouldn't surprise me,
00:16:59.520 but it certainly seems
00:17:00.640 like it's going forward.
00:17:01.840 You know,
00:17:03.820 I will say there is an irony
00:17:05.300 that Elon Musk
00:17:07.060 has suddenly become
00:17:08.220 the champion
00:17:08.960 and the defender
00:17:10.040 of conservatives.
00:17:12.720 Elon vocally supported
00:17:15.220 and voted for Barack Obama
00:17:16.720 not once but twice.
00:17:18.840 You know,
00:17:19.160 Joe Rogan,
00:17:19.840 the other person
00:17:20.540 who has become,
00:17:21.420 they may be the two
00:17:22.340 most important people
00:17:23.400 concerning free speech
00:17:24.480 in the entire country,
00:17:25.780 Joe Rogan
00:17:26.260 and Doris Bernie Sanders. 0.76
00:17:27.680 So neither one of them
00:17:28.820 meets the standard definition
00:17:31.800 of a conservative.
00:17:34.040 But they both appreciate liberty.
00:17:36.740 They both value free speech.
00:17:39.680 You know,
00:17:40.060 it spoke volumes.
00:17:41.080 I don't know if you saw last week
00:17:42.540 a journalist at Time Magazine,
00:17:44.500 and I put journalist
00:17:45.300 in scare quotes,
00:17:47.320 said that free speech
00:17:49.540 is an obsession 0.62
00:17:50.420 of rich white guys.
00:17:52.760 Like,
00:17:54.360 the,
00:17:55.080 today's corporate media
00:17:57.160 wants to silence
00:17:58.700 everybody
00:17:59.980 except
00:18:01.800 themselves.
00:18:03.660 They want to have
00:18:04.520 a monopoly on speech.
00:18:06.240 Only the corporate media
00:18:07.640 and only big tech.
00:18:09.260 And I know you've seen
00:18:10.280 the meme
00:18:10.780 that Elon tweeted out,
00:18:12.380 which I think
00:18:12.720 is incredibly accurate,
00:18:13.880 that it showed
00:18:14.560 him previously
00:18:16.060 where you had
00:18:17.360 the right,
00:18:17.900 the left,
00:18:18.420 the center,
00:18:18.920 and it had him
00:18:19.400 left of center.
00:18:20.260 And then what it showed
00:18:21.320 was the left
00:18:22.700 running full speed
00:18:24.720 to the left
00:18:25.360 and suddenly
00:18:25.960 the center moved
00:18:27.100 so he was right of center.
00:18:28.660 But in the meme,
00:18:29.940 he hadn't moved an inch,
00:18:31.120 it's just the crazies
00:18:32.320 had taken over 0.73
00:18:33.320 the Democratic Party.
00:18:34.200 By the way,
00:18:34.520 Bill Maher's in the same boat
00:18:35.740 where these are
00:18:36.600 old school liberals
00:18:38.040 that just happen
00:18:40.240 to believe
00:18:40.820 in actual liberty.
00:18:42.400 And that,
00:18:44.000 in today's
00:18:45.560 Democratic Party,
00:18:46.600 that is
00:18:47.260 not only
00:18:48.580 not
00:18:49.000 the mainstream anymore,
00:18:50.600 that is a
00:18:51.360 heretical view
00:18:52.400 that must be
00:18:53.820 demonized
00:18:54.740 and quashed.
00:18:55.620 What do you think
00:18:56.740 the electoral politics
00:18:58.140 of this look like?
00:18:59.080 Do you think
00:18:59.560 that this plays
00:19:01.160 for Democrats?
00:19:02.360 Do you think
00:19:02.660 this Ministry of Truth
00:19:03.980 is going to help them
00:19:04.860 in the midterms,
00:19:06.040 whether through
00:19:06.420 the operation
00:19:07.080 of the agency
00:19:08.400 or just through
00:19:09.580 the public perception
00:19:10.540 of it?
00:19:10.980 Or are they
00:19:11.680 stepping on a rake here?
00:19:12.780 I think they're
00:19:13.540 stepping on a rake,
00:19:14.880 but a word you use
00:19:16.580 there that is important
00:19:17.680 and that we don't
00:19:18.400 know yet
00:19:19.020 is operation.
00:19:21.520 Like,
00:19:21.840 whether this board
00:19:22.840 will actually have
00:19:23.900 any legal power
00:19:25.080 or authority
00:19:25.860 if they engage
00:19:27.160 how they intend
00:19:28.700 to engage,
00:19:29.800 if it's just a,
00:19:31.400 look,
00:19:32.100 an example,
00:19:32.960 an example
00:19:33.400 we've talked about
00:19:34.340 early on
00:19:35.100 when it happened
00:19:35.620 on this podcast
00:19:36.360 was Dr. Fauci
00:19:38.460 in emails
00:19:39.600 asking Mark Zuckerberg
00:19:41.520 to silence
00:19:43.260 and censor
00:19:44.180 any discussions
00:19:45.080 of the origins
00:19:46.080 of COVID-19
00:19:46.960 and in particular
00:19:47.800 discussions
00:19:48.560 that it had
00:19:49.900 escaped from
00:19:51.120 a Chinese government
00:19:52.120 lab in Wuhan.
00:19:52.920 Wuhan
00:19:53.340 and we talked
00:19:54.220 about two years
00:19:55.080 ago
00:19:55.460 this podcast
00:19:56.700 walked through
00:19:57.740 exhaustively
00:19:59.220 the evidence
00:20:00.000 that suggests
00:20:01.160 and suggests
00:20:01.820 overwhelmingly
00:20:02.560 that COVID-19
00:20:04.160 escaped from
00:20:04.980 a Chinese government
00:20:05.760 lab in Wuhan.
00:20:08.300 Zuckerberg
00:20:08.820 was more than
00:20:09.420 happy to comply.
00:20:10.400 He said,
00:20:10.760 yes,
00:20:11.000 we will censor it,
00:20:11.920 we will keep it silent.
00:20:13.520 I could see this board
00:20:15.160 playing a similar role
00:20:16.620 and, for example,
00:20:17.520 emailing Zuckerberg
00:20:18.420 and Facebook
00:20:19.800 going along.
00:20:20.640 I don't know
00:20:22.460 whether there are
00:20:23.040 media outlets
00:20:23.640 that will go along.
00:20:25.260 I feel confident
00:20:26.620 Elon Musk
00:20:28.200 won't go along
00:20:29.280 and it's why
00:20:30.180 his buying Twitter
00:20:31.060 is so important
00:20:32.780 because it creates
00:20:33.820 a significant avenue.
00:20:36.500 By the way,
00:20:37.940 one thing people
00:20:39.280 may not realize
00:20:40.420 as to why Twitter
00:20:41.640 matters so much.
00:20:43.280 So a tiny percentage
00:20:44.500 of Americans
00:20:45.060 actually listen,
00:20:46.180 follow Twitter
00:20:47.060 and those
00:20:50.440 that do
00:20:51.000 skew pretty heavily
00:20:51.900 left.
00:20:52.340 If the world
00:20:52.980 were the Twittersphere, 0.97
00:20:54.500 we'd all be screwed. 0.93
00:20:56.060 We'd be sunk. 0.98
00:20:56.820 Yeah.
00:20:57.100 You know,
00:20:57.400 AOC would be president.
00:20:58.700 So I'm glad
00:20:59.780 that the world
00:21:00.640 is not the Twittersphere.
00:21:02.540 Now,
00:21:03.000 some of that
00:21:03.540 is amplified
00:21:05.760 by the shadow banning
00:21:07.940 and practices.
00:21:08.620 So we may find out
00:21:09.840 that the Twittersphere
00:21:10.560 is not as left
00:21:11.520 as it appears.
00:21:12.180 but most normal Americans
00:21:16.220 are not on Twitter.
00:21:17.100 The reason it matters,
00:21:17.880 one of the reasons
00:21:18.300 it matters so much
00:21:19.120 is every reporter
00:21:20.140 in the universe
00:21:20.740 is on Twitter.
00:21:22.220 And so I can tell you
00:21:23.140 in politics,
00:21:23.960 frankly,
00:21:24.460 the way you get out
00:21:25.640 a statement
00:21:26.060 and get it out quickly
00:21:26.920 is you go to Twitter
00:21:28.500 and you put it out
00:21:29.520 and it's an amazing thing.
00:21:31.300 Look,
00:21:31.520 Donald Trump
00:21:32.440 pioneered this in 2016
00:21:34.180 and I was
00:21:35.040 on the opposing side
00:21:36.620 and he captured
00:21:37.820 how to use Twitter
00:21:38.860 and just dominate
00:21:40.420 the news
00:21:41.060 within instances.
00:21:42.180 And it is a wild thing
00:21:44.740 that I will pull out my phone
00:21:46.780 and I'll send a tweet
00:21:48.040 and within minutes
00:21:49.680 I can turn on the TV
00:21:50.900 and see my tweet
00:21:51.960 on the news
00:21:53.080 driving the news
00:21:54.340 and driving messaging.
00:21:56.060 That's part of why
00:21:57.340 free speech on Twitter matters
00:21:59.040 because it influences
00:22:00.780 everyone that has
00:22:03.180 outlets of communication.
00:22:05.640 That is potent
00:22:08.100 for the overall public discourse.
00:22:10.300 Right.
00:22:10.500 I agree.
00:22:11.120 It does set the news
00:22:12.620 in a way
00:22:13.160 that Facebook
00:22:13.880 and YouTube
00:22:14.480 and Google don't.
00:22:15.520 I think that's why
00:22:16.300 they are absolutely losing it
00:22:18.080 that Elon is promising
00:22:19.440 conservatives
00:22:20.020 a little more freedom.
00:22:21.520 On this question
00:22:22.200 of political speech,
00:22:23.360 I am ashamed to say
00:22:24.280 that I have neglected
00:22:25.260 our verdict listeners,
00:22:26.680 but I will do that no more.
00:22:28.040 There's a question
00:22:28.540 I really want to get to here
00:22:29.620 in the mailbag.
00:22:30.820 You, of course,
00:22:31.320 can join Verdict Plus
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00:22:39.520 This question
00:22:40.240 comes to us
00:22:41.240 from Al,
00:22:41.900 who says,
00:22:42.660 Senator Cruz,
00:22:43.980 how do you think
00:22:44.620 the court will rule
00:22:46.140 on Ted Cruz
00:22:47.820 versus FEC?
00:22:49.940 A question
00:22:50.580 not only about
00:22:51.200 political speech,
00:22:51.940 but about a case
00:22:52.940 that you are
00:22:53.420 heavily involved in.
00:22:54.540 Yeah, no,
00:22:54.960 it's a case
00:22:55.400 I care a great deal about.
00:22:57.700 It is a case
00:22:58.820 challenging,
00:22:59.880 and I'm the name
00:23:01.080 plaintiff,
00:23:01.700 I brought the lawsuit.
00:23:03.240 It is challenging
00:23:04.140 an element
00:23:04.680 of McCain-Feingold,
00:23:05.720 which is the big
00:23:07.560 campaign finance law.
00:23:08.980 It's a terrible law.
00:23:10.800 One element
00:23:11.480 of the law
00:23:12.180 limits the ability
00:23:13.860 of a political candidate
00:23:15.040 to pay themselves
00:23:16.260 back for loans
00:23:18.100 they make
00:23:18.620 to their campaign,
00:23:19.820 and so it caps it
00:23:21.360 at paying yourself
00:23:23.420 back
00:23:23.900 at $250,000
00:23:25.980 is the most
00:23:27.800 you can pay yourself
00:23:28.720 back from funds
00:23:29.800 received after
00:23:30.640 the campaign,
00:23:31.180 and so,
00:23:32.220 you know,
00:23:32.680 you have lots
00:23:33.380 of candidates
00:23:33.880 who put
00:23:35.720 their life savings
00:23:36.480 into a campaign,
00:23:37.480 and they may
00:23:38.100 put $500,000
00:23:39.320 or more
00:23:40.480 into a campaign,
00:23:41.820 and McCain-Feingold
00:23:42.740 says,
00:23:43.120 well, tough,
00:23:44.120 you're not allowed
00:23:44.660 to pay yourself
00:23:45.260 back,
00:23:45.640 you've just
00:23:46.100 basically given
00:23:47.160 a gift to democracy,
00:23:48.260 and doesn't it 0.99
00:23:49.200 suck to be you? 0.99
00:23:50.640 And by the way, 1.00
00:23:51.780 the reason
00:23:52.340 that Congress
00:23:53.820 passed it,
00:23:54.460 if you go look
00:23:54.900 at the debates,
00:23:56.140 it's an incumbent
00:23:56.840 protection plan
00:23:57.780 because
00:23:58.960 one of the ways
00:24:01.260 incumbents
00:24:01.880 avoid being beat
00:24:03.180 is their challengers
00:24:04.180 can't raise any money,
00:24:05.640 and they don't have
00:24:06.100 the name ID
00:24:06.560 to raise money,
00:24:07.300 and so what happens
00:24:08.160 often is someone
00:24:09.560 will invest their own
00:24:10.440 money into the race,
00:24:11.200 and it is how
00:24:12.820 challengers get
00:24:14.040 the initial oxygen
00:24:15.600 to get their message
00:24:17.100 out.
00:24:17.560 Well, if you make it
00:24:18.420 that, you know,
00:24:19.560 Michael, you put your
00:24:20.300 money into the race,
00:24:21.200 and even if you win,
00:24:22.340 you can't get it back,
00:24:23.260 and it's going to cost you,
00:24:25.120 you might be willing
00:24:26.300 to do it,
00:24:26.820 but a lot of people
00:24:27.500 are not,
00:24:27.980 and so it's designed
00:24:29.060 to protect
00:24:30.800 incumbents
00:24:32.260 from challengers
00:24:33.000 taking them on,
00:24:33.760 so I brought
00:24:34.600 a constitutional challenge
00:24:35.720 to this provision.
00:24:37.560 I won a unanimous
00:24:38.840 decision in the lower
00:24:39.780 court,
00:24:40.240 so a three-judge
00:24:41.080 district court
00:24:41.720 struck down
00:24:42.500 this provision
00:24:43.200 of McCain-Feingold.
00:24:45.120 The appeal is pending
00:24:46.040 at the Supreme Court.
00:24:47.020 It's been briefed.
00:24:47.660 It's been argued.
00:24:48.800 We're waiting
00:24:49.500 on the decision.
00:24:50.220 I think the decision
00:24:50.940 will be very soon.
00:24:51.820 It could literally
00:24:52.320 be any day now.
00:24:53.340 I think we're
00:24:54.200 in the sweet spot
00:24:55.520 of when the decision
00:24:56.980 is going to come down,
00:24:57.920 I am cautiously optimistic.
00:25:01.140 I think the chances
00:25:02.080 are good
00:25:02.840 that we prevail.
00:25:04.600 If the court
00:25:05.620 addresses the merits,
00:25:06.880 in other words,
00:25:07.360 if the court
00:25:07.900 answers the question,
00:25:09.320 is this provision
00:25:10.360 of law unconstitutional,
00:25:12.360 I think the odds
00:25:13.280 are extremely high
00:25:14.160 we win.
00:25:14.520 I think it is
00:25:15.640 on the merits
00:25:16.600 we are very,
00:25:17.780 very likely to win.
00:25:19.680 There is some chance
00:25:21.280 that we lose
00:25:21.900 on a procedural ground.
00:25:23.740 The Biden Justice Department
00:25:25.180 had a procedural ground
00:25:26.480 that was a
00:25:27.160 technicality
00:25:28.420 that was based
00:25:29.080 on a factual mistake,
00:25:30.420 but I will say
00:25:31.580 at the oral argument
00:25:32.540 it sure seemed
00:25:33.340 like John Roberts
00:25:34.240 was fishing around
00:25:35.540 trying to get
00:25:36.140 some justices
00:25:36.880 to basically
00:25:38.160 throw the lawsuit
00:25:39.200 out on the procedural ground.
00:25:41.380 I don't know
00:25:42.160 if he will succeed
00:25:42.880 with that or not,
00:25:44.380 but that's
00:25:45.540 how the argument
00:25:47.540 came across.
00:25:48.620 So if they get
00:25:49.420 to the merits,
00:25:50.440 we are very,
00:25:52.080 very likely to win,
00:25:53.240 but there's some chance
00:25:54.420 they punt it
00:25:55.160 and avoid the merits
00:25:55.920 altogether.
00:25:56.380 Perhaps I will be nicer
00:25:58.240 to Chief Justice Roberts
00:25:59.540 on this show
00:26:00.140 for just the next
00:26:00.900 couple of weeks
00:26:01.640 to make sure
00:26:02.720 this thing doesn't
00:26:03.360 get thrown out
00:26:03.940 on procedural grounds
00:26:05.080 because that will
00:26:07.020 be an interesting
00:26:07.540 free speech case
00:26:08.660 and we'll look forward
00:26:09.860 to seeing it.
00:26:11.020 Last question
00:26:11.980 also has to do
00:26:13.040 with the court.
00:26:14.020 This is from Michael
00:26:14.960 who says,
00:26:16.860 how do you believe
00:26:17.660 the leak
00:26:18.360 of the Alito opinion
00:26:21.080 in the Dobbs case,
00:26:22.640 how do you believe
00:26:23.420 the Supreme Court leak
00:26:24.720 will affect
00:26:25.680 the midterm elections?
00:26:27.860 And he has two hashtags.
00:26:29.060 He says,
00:26:29.340 hashtag verdict,
00:26:30.320 hashtag Cruz 2024.
00:26:32.260 I'm just reading
00:26:32.880 the whole message.
00:26:33.700 So I don't know
00:26:34.520 that the leak itself
00:26:35.880 has a significant impact
00:26:37.520 on the midterms.
00:26:38.680 I do think the leak
00:26:40.120 is a manifestation
00:26:41.080 of how the Democrats
00:26:42.160 are destroying
00:26:43.100 our institutions,
00:26:43.900 trying to burn them down.
00:26:45.560 And in particular,
00:26:46.580 the degree to which
00:26:47.440 the leftists
00:26:48.120 are cheering it on
00:26:49.220 and literally saying, 0.67
00:26:50.380 burn it down.
00:26:51.120 I think that is beneficial
00:26:54.160 for the midterms
00:26:55.040 and in terms of people
00:26:56.260 realizing the radicals
00:26:58.780 really are in charge
00:26:59.860 of this party.
00:27:00.600 It's not unlike
00:27:01.820 the Antifa riots
00:27:03.860 in terms of just showing
00:27:05.220 that these guys 0.99
00:27:05.980 are extreme and crazy. 0.95
00:27:09.960 In terms of the
00:27:11.380 underlying decision,
00:27:12.800 I think what is likely
00:27:13.780 to be more consequential
00:27:15.000 in the midterm
00:27:15.640 is the decision itself.
00:27:17.020 And if the majority opinion
00:27:19.200 continues to be
00:27:19.940 the majority opinion
00:27:20.860 and if the outcome
00:27:21.600 is that the court
00:27:22.480 does strike down
00:27:23.520 Roe versus Wade,
00:27:25.640 I can tell you
00:27:26.320 Democrats in Washington
00:27:27.520 are holding on to that
00:27:28.640 as their Hail Mary chance
00:27:29.900 to save the midterms.
00:27:30.960 They believe that people
00:27:31.860 will be horrified
00:27:32.580 and that'll help them win.
00:27:34.900 And I got to tell you,
00:27:35.960 more than a few
00:27:37.260 Republican senators
00:27:38.280 are nervous that's the case.
00:27:40.880 There's several of us
00:27:42.140 who are conservatives
00:27:42.920 who've been trying
00:27:43.620 to make the case
00:27:44.480 to the nervous Nellies
00:27:45.820 in our conference.
00:27:47.060 It'll be okay.
00:27:48.040 This is going to be fine.
00:27:49.940 And I actually think
00:27:52.360 it probably will not have
00:27:54.360 much of an effect
00:27:55.460 on the midterms
00:27:56.360 and to the extent
00:27:57.060 it has an effect,
00:27:58.180 it will be a positive effect.
00:28:00.620 Here's why I think
00:28:01.780 it will have less of an effect
00:28:03.140 than the Democratic strategists think.
00:28:05.120 Because the people
00:28:06.300 who are most dismayed
00:28:07.520 about that
00:28:08.120 are hard leftists
00:28:09.140 that are clustered
00:28:09.840 in bright blue states
00:28:10.900 like New York, California.
00:28:13.980 Nothing's going to change
00:28:15.060 in those states.
00:28:15.800 At least for the immediate term,
00:28:19.440 California is going to continue
00:28:20.780 to allow unlimited abortion 0.81
00:28:22.320 on demand.
00:28:23.000 Roe versus Wade is,
00:28:23.860 if it's struck down,
00:28:25.360 California ain't changing
00:28:26.380 their laws
00:28:26.920 until we get new elected officials
00:28:28.600 in California.
00:28:30.140 And so I think
00:28:31.340 the kind of angry leftists,
00:28:34.500 many of whom 1.00
00:28:35.400 are pretty ignorant 1.00
00:28:36.800 and don't even know 1.00
00:28:37.520 what overturning Roe means,
00:28:39.600 I think a month afterwards
00:28:41.560 they're going to be surprised,
00:28:42.680 wait,
00:28:42.860 nothing about my life changed.
00:28:46.280 In other parts of the country
00:28:47.800 that are not bright blue,
00:28:48.960 in redder states,
00:28:50.040 in states like Tennessee,
00:28:52.340 states like Texas,
00:28:53.180 you're going to see
00:28:54.180 some meaningful restrictions
00:28:56.240 on abortion
00:28:56.880 and it's going to vary
00:28:57.740 state by state
00:28:58.680 how extensive
00:29:00.300 those restrictions are.
00:29:03.800 That was the framers' view
00:29:05.340 in the Constitution
00:29:06.080 is to let the rules
00:29:08.100 in each state
00:29:08.820 reflect the values
00:29:09.960 of the citizens
00:29:10.580 of those states.
00:29:11.440 but in the redder states
00:29:13.420 there are fewer people
00:29:15.600 that are going to be
00:29:16.120 horrified by that
00:29:17.120 and I think
00:29:20.680 you're going to have
00:29:21.200 a positive effect
00:29:22.520 of people
00:29:24.000 in the pro-life community
00:29:25.100 who have been fighting
00:29:25.860 for this for 50 years
00:29:27.620 being energized
00:29:29.120 and I am hopeful
00:29:31.100 that that being energized
00:29:32.880 is going to cause them
00:29:34.060 to turn out
00:29:34.860 and vote at the polls
00:29:36.060 and I think that could lead
00:29:38.280 to an even bigger majority
00:29:39.720 in the House
00:29:40.300 and the Senate
00:29:40.780 next year.
00:29:42.480 Right, that's a great point
00:29:43.400 because not only
00:29:44.680 is nothing going to change
00:29:46.140 in terms of abortion law
00:29:47.520 in the most pro-abortion places
00:29:50.100 but even if something
00:29:52.160 did change
00:29:52.880 and the Democrats
00:29:53.820 were irate
00:29:54.560 and steam were coming
00:29:55.280 out of their ears
00:29:55.920 nothing's going to change
00:29:57.340 about whom they're electing
00:29:58.600 and nothing's going to change
00:29:59.480 about the members of Congress
00:30:00.580 or the senators
00:30:01.480 or anything else.
00:30:02.960 That is a hopeful note
00:30:04.380 to end on, Senator,
00:30:05.960 that this case
00:30:07.940 might not only come out
00:30:08.940 with a good end
00:30:09.580 for the pro-life movement
00:30:10.580 but also might not hurt us
00:30:12.360 at the polls.
00:30:12.840 Frankly, it might even help us.
00:30:15.040 Before we go,
00:30:16.000 we've got to bring on
00:30:16.660 our friend Liz Wheeler
00:30:17.820 because you're not done yet, sir.
00:30:19.920 We've finished our episode
00:30:21.020 but you've got an episode
00:30:21.940 of Cloak Room coming up.
00:30:23.740 Liz, what are you going
00:30:24.240 to talk about?
00:30:24.820 Hi, Michael.
00:30:25.420 Hi, Senator Cruz.
00:30:26.480 I know that we've been talking
00:30:28.260 about this leaked draft
00:30:30.480 majority opinion
00:30:31.340 from the Supreme Court
00:30:32.620 overturning Roe v. Wade
00:30:33.740 or at least it does
00:30:35.680 in this draft opinion.
00:30:37.960 You guys have talked
00:30:38.680 about it a lot.
00:30:39.260 We've heard about it a lot
00:30:39.940 but there are more details
00:30:41.740 that need to be discussed
00:30:42.780 so we are going to do
00:30:43.620 a little investigative dive
00:30:45.300 into who exactly
00:30:46.900 might have leaked
00:30:48.160 this opinion,
00:30:49.100 how this might have happened
00:30:50.800 and whether the Supreme Court
00:30:52.400 actually will overturn
00:30:54.540 Roe v. Wade.
00:30:55.300 So join us on the Cloak Room
00:30:57.160 on Verdict Plus.
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00:31:13.140 It's going to be
00:31:13.920 quite the discussion.
00:31:14.940 I hope you'll join us.
00:31:16.440 So Michael,
00:31:17.860 yes, Senator,
00:31:18.460 in honor of Big Sis,
00:31:20.740 will you close us
00:31:21.540 on a show tune?
00:31:24.360 Senator,
00:31:25.160 I absolutely will
00:31:26.440 and do you know why?
00:31:27.520 Because I feel pretty
00:31:29.240 and I feel witty
00:31:30.920 and I feel pretty
00:31:32.360 and witty
00:31:33.400 and gay 0.97
00:31:34.840 and I pity 0.97
00:31:36.320 any podcaster
00:31:38.360 who isn't me.
00:31:39.720 Today,
00:31:40.200 I'm Michael Knowles.
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