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00:04:21.920 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz.

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00:04:37.200 For now, Senator,

00:04:38.880 how much time do we have left?

00:04:41.320 Well, I don't know,

00:04:42.420 but I just got an order from Big Sis

00:04:44.300 that from now on,

00:04:45.680 this podcast must be done

00:04:47.840 entirely by singing Broadway show tunes.

00:04:50.980 That is a fate worse than a cancellation.

00:04:56.440 Big Sis, I suspect you're referring to, 0.64

00:04:58.680 is Nina Jankiewicz,

00:05:00.400 the Biden pick to lead

00:05:01.920 the Disinformation Governance Board,

00:05:04.600 about whom I know only two things.

00:05:06.740 One, she spread misinformation 0.99

00:05:08.960 about the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:05:11.300 And two, she loves singing show tunes on camera.

00:05:14.760 And to her credit,

00:05:15.980 she's actually a pretty good singer. 1.00

00:05:17.980 It's a little bizarre and creepy

00:05:19.860 what she sings,

00:05:21.180 but she, I don't know,

00:05:23.080 is a professional or semi-professional singer,

00:05:25.320 but she's this hard, knee-jerk leftist. 0.99

00:05:30.020 And, you know,

00:05:31.480 watching, number one,

00:05:33.020 Secretary Mayorkas,

00:05:34.920 who has presided over

00:05:36.480 the most lawless cadmium agency

00:05:38.480 in the history of our country,

00:05:39.860 which the Department of Homeland Security

00:05:42.300 has decided,

00:05:43.140 we don't enforce the border.

00:05:44.200 We let two million illegal aliens come in.

00:05:46.640 The law means nothing to us.

00:05:48.340 So now,

00:05:49.720 he's created this misinformation board

00:05:52.440 in charge of fighting misinformation.

00:05:54.760 And, you know,

00:05:55.220 you pointed out,

00:05:56.700 he did it literally within hours

00:05:58.980 of Elon Musk's buying Twitter.

00:06:02.420 It is stunning.

00:06:03.460 Listen,

00:06:03.920 the left's ideas 1.00

00:06:05.100 are crap. 1.00

00:06:07.660 They cannot defend them. 1.00

00:06:09.720 They don't want to defend them.

00:06:10.880 They want to silence everyone

00:06:12.100 who disagrees.

00:06:13.120 Let me show you something amazing

00:06:15.480 about Elon buying Twitter,

00:06:18.400 which is,

00:06:20.200 Twitter accepted Elon Musk's

00:06:22.420 offer to buy Twitter

00:06:24.200 on April 25th.

00:06:26.880 The very next day,

00:06:31.020 literally the next day,

00:06:32.040 April 26th,

00:06:33.940 my new Twitter followers skyrocketed.

00:06:37.820 So I'm just going to read you

00:06:39.020 the daily count of it

00:06:40.320 because it's stunning.

00:06:41.680 So on April 19th,

00:06:43.080 I gained 1,713 followers.

00:06:46.240 April 24th, 1,486.

00:06:49.060 April 25th,

00:06:50.200 the day Twitter says yes

00:06:51.520 to Elon Musk,

00:06:53.460 1,214.

00:06:54.940 So consistently day after day,

00:06:57.840 I'm between 1,000

00:06:58.760 and 2,000 new followers.

00:07:00.760 The next day,

00:07:01.860 what's your guess

00:07:02.740 as to how many new followers

00:07:03.780 I got the next day?

00:07:06.160 I'm going to say it doubled

00:07:07.500 at least.

00:07:08.560 On April 26th,

00:07:12.360 51,405.

00:07:16.120 Oh my gosh.

00:07:17.600 On April 27th,

00:07:19.900 61,251.

00:07:22.960 On April 28th,

00:07:25.760 70,584.

00:07:30.380 The level of shadow banning,

00:07:33.700 it's as if,

00:07:34.440 and by the way,

00:07:34.920 this is true for conservatives

00:07:35.900 across the board,

00:07:36.980 that they're seeing their numbers.

00:07:38.580 Mine literally went

00:07:39.520 from 1,000 to 2,000 a day

00:07:41.060 to 50,000, 60,000, 70,000.

00:07:44.840 I've gone from 4.8 million followers

00:07:46.920 to 5.1 million followers

00:07:48.920 in a week.

00:07:50.300 And all it took

00:07:51.320 was Elon buying it.

00:07:52.680 The same thing

00:07:53.620 has happened with me.

00:07:54.940 I am not a United States senator.

00:07:56.660 I have not run for president.

00:07:58.460 I am but a humble podcaster.

00:08:00.760 I've gained

00:08:01.380 at least 100,000 followers

00:08:03.300 in the,

00:08:04.100 what is it,

00:08:04.380 a week since Elon took over.

00:08:06.260 It's been something

00:08:07.180 like a clip

00:08:07.800 of 20,000 per day.

00:08:09.940 So either that means

00:08:11.360 that they've unleashed

00:08:12.740 the bots,

00:08:14.000 which I don't think it is,

00:08:15.200 by the way,

00:08:15.520 because my engagement

00:08:16.600 on Twitter is up.

00:08:18.540 I'm seeing new people,

00:08:20.080 new blue checkmark people

00:08:21.380 who are ostensibly verified

00:08:22.740 human beings.

00:08:23.580 It seems as though,

00:08:25.640 because don't forget,

00:08:26.520 this deal hasn't even

00:08:27.260 gone through yet.

00:08:28.000 So it's just the threat

00:08:29.580 that Elon is going to buy it.

00:08:30.840 It seems as though

00:08:31.440 this has lifted

00:08:32.040 a major shadow banning

00:08:33.700 of conservatives.

00:08:34.460 You know,

00:08:35.040 it's like they're sitting there

00:08:36.920 running the shredders

00:08:38.980 going, 0.99

00:08:39.740 oh crap, 0.97

00:08:40.440 they're going to find out 0.98

00:08:41.340 all the stuff we've done.

00:08:42.440 Shred it all.

00:08:43.100 Turn the algorithm off.

00:08:44.200 And then within hours,

00:08:47.920 the Biden administration

00:08:49.220 announces,

00:08:50.140 we have a new board

00:08:51.240 to fight misinformation.

00:08:53.240 I got to tell you,

00:08:53.840 I had,

00:08:54.420 so this week I've had

00:08:55.520 two hearings

00:08:56.160 where I've asked

00:08:56.800 Biden officials about this.

00:08:58.800 First of all,

00:08:59.280 I had a foreign

00:08:59.820 relations committee hearing

00:09:01.040 with the deputy

00:09:02.160 secretary of state

00:09:03.200 because,

00:09:04.800 okay,

00:09:05.080 so Mayorkas got popped 1.00

00:09:06.400 on Sunday about this

00:09:07.580 and he says,

00:09:07.920 no, no, no,

00:09:08.760 this is not to go

00:09:10.040 after American speech.

00:09:11.360 This is all about

00:09:12.280 foreign speech.

00:09:13.140 This is foreign 1.00

00:09:13.980 disinformation only.

00:09:15.680 Now,

00:09:15.820 mind you,

00:09:16.920 this office is not

00:09:19.060 at the U.S.

00:09:19.740 Department of State.

00:09:20.500 It's at the Department

00:09:21.440 of Homeland Security.

00:09:23.240 It's directed

00:09:23.980 at Americans 0.53

00:09:24.960 in the homeland.

00:09:25.880 But their talking point

00:09:26.960 is,

00:09:27.280 no, no, no,

00:09:27.520 this is only

00:09:28.060 foreign disinformation.

00:09:29.480 So I asked

00:09:30.280 the Department of State

00:09:31.240 today,

00:09:31.960 the deputy secretary

00:09:32.840 of state,

00:09:33.240 I said,

00:09:33.500 it so happens

00:09:34.280 there actually

00:09:35.500 is a longstanding

00:09:36.780 office at the

00:09:37.800 State Department

00:09:38.480 whose statutory

00:09:40.260 mission is

00:09:41.220 to fight

00:09:42.460 disinformation

00:09:43.760 abroad

00:09:45.020 from foreign

00:09:46.060 governments.

00:09:47.520 And it's funded,

00:09:48.500 Congress just funded

00:09:49.300 them $150 million.

00:09:50.960 Its statutory

00:09:52.040 mission is exactly 0.99

00:09:53.360 what these clowns 0.99

00:09:54.240 are claiming 1.00

00:09:54.620 the new office

00:09:55.240 is going to do.

00:09:56.180 So I asked

00:09:56.800 the State Department,

00:09:57.760 gosh,

00:09:59.040 did anybody

00:09:59.800 talk to you

00:10:00.500 about this?

00:10:01.260 No.

00:10:01.960 Do you know

00:10:02.300 anything about it?

00:10:03.100 No,

00:10:03.380 I have no idea.

00:10:04.060 Is it concerning

00:10:05.820 to you that

00:10:06.420 they've announced

00:10:06.980 a new office

00:10:08.160 that they're claiming

00:10:09.280 is doing the same

00:10:10.200 thing your existing

00:10:11.020 office is doing?

00:10:12.160 I have no idea.

00:10:13.220 Nobody consulted us.

00:10:14.160 We know nothing.

00:10:15.200 So that was lie

00:10:15.860 number one.

00:10:18.040 Number two,

00:10:20.000 we also had

00:10:20.780 Pete Buttigieg,

00:10:21.720 the secretary

00:10:22.180 of transportation,

00:10:23.660 testifying before

00:10:24.700 the Senate today.

00:10:25.920 And I asked him

00:10:26.580 about this.

00:10:27.980 And I said,

00:10:29.040 look,

00:10:29.200 I read a quote

00:10:30.020 from the presidential

00:10:31.300 campaign where he

00:10:32.160 gave,

00:10:32.520 he waxed poetically

00:10:33.740 about free speech

00:10:34.600 is wonderful.

00:10:35.300 It's incredible.

00:10:36.220 It's what makes

00:10:36.880 America America.

00:10:37.740 I value free speech.

00:10:39.520 When I was a soldier

00:10:40.580 fighting for America,

00:10:41.660 the flag on my shoulder,

00:10:43.080 it represented free speech.

00:10:44.740 It was,

00:10:45.080 you know,

00:10:45.260 he's a pretty eloquent guy.

00:10:47.240 And I read the whole quote.

00:10:48.600 I said,

00:10:48.980 you know,

00:10:49.180 gosh,

00:10:49.440 I agree with every word of that.

00:10:50.920 That's beautifully stated.

00:10:52.960 Do you still agree with that?

00:10:54.220 Do you still agree

00:10:54.740 with free speech?

00:10:55.560 Yes.

00:10:56.580 Well,

00:10:56.760 then why did the Biden

00:10:57.560 administration announce

00:10:58.680 an office,

00:10:59.660 the ministry of truth

00:11:00.740 to silence people

00:11:02.280 who disagree with you?

00:11:03.920 And he immediately

00:11:04.960 backtracked.

00:11:05.740 He's like,

00:11:05.980 well,

00:11:06.440 well,

00:11:06.900 well,

00:11:07.100 I don't know.

00:11:07.500 I don't know.

00:11:08.520 I'm like,

00:11:08.780 well,

00:11:08.900 come on.

00:11:09.360 I mean,

00:11:09.740 you're,

00:11:10.320 you're aware of this,

00:11:11.280 right?

00:11:12.260 And he's like,

00:11:12.860 well,

00:11:14.520 well,

00:11:16.720 well,

00:11:16.860 I,

00:11:17.140 I don't know,

00:11:18.400 but it's to stop disinformation

00:11:20.240 to stop Russian disinformation.

00:11:23.800 I said,

00:11:24.400 really?

00:11:24.680 Like Hunter Biden's laptop?

00:11:26.520 Is that what you mean

00:11:27.620 by disinformation?

00:11:29.160 He's like,

00:11:29.480 well,

00:11:29.600 I don't know anything

00:11:30.360 about Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:11:32.120 It's like,

00:11:32.760 oh,

00:11:32.980 really?

00:11:33.600 Nobody seems to know

00:11:34.480 anything about Hunter Biden's laptop,

00:11:36.220 do they?

00:11:36.440 Well,

00:11:36.660 and in this case,

00:11:37.920 the woman who's going to be running 1.00

00:11:40.020 the Ministry of Truth here for Biden

00:11:42.060 used that specific example.

00:11:44.460 So this is not just a hypothetical.

00:11:46.020 She said the Hunter Biden laptop

00:11:47.580 was a case of Russian disinformation.

00:11:50.120 And so presumably,

00:11:51.140 this board would have completely wiped away

00:11:53.920 that news story

00:11:54.720 had big tech

00:11:55.940 and the establishment media

00:11:57.900 not already done that for them

00:11:59.100 two years ago.

00:12:00.580 Now,

00:12:00.740 that's exactly right.

00:12:02.020 And as you know,

00:12:03.460 the talking point,

00:12:04.560 there were 50 former leaders

00:12:07.040 from the intelligence community

00:12:08.280 that put out a letter

00:12:09.680 when Hunter Biden's laptop broke

00:12:11.580 that said,

00:12:12.400 this has all the classic signs

00:12:14.120 of Russian disinformation,

00:12:15.220 which we've learned now

00:12:17.040 is code for,

00:12:18.640 this is really bad

00:12:20.380 for the Democratic presidential nominee.

00:12:22.240 But we now know that letter

00:12:25.520 was an outright blatant lie.

00:12:29.520 We know the talking point

00:12:31.220 that I don't know whether we should call Nina

00:12:33.940 the Minister of Truth

00:12:36.160 or the Commissar.

00:12:37.580 I'm kind of on the fence

00:12:39.600 as to what her

00:12:40.920 totalitarian title should be.

00:12:45.340 But she was out there pushing, 0.53

00:12:47.500 this is Russian disinformation

00:12:48.780 and that's an utter lie.

00:12:50.620 And leftists define as disinformation

00:12:54.380 anything that is inconvenient for them,

00:12:58.660 anything they disagree with,

00:13:00.280 and especially anything

00:13:01.940 that is politically damaging,

00:13:04.280 they call disinformation.

00:13:05.440 And this is the Biden administration

00:13:07.880 nakedly getting caught

00:13:09.840 with their hand in the cookie jar

00:13:11.360 to mix my metaphors pretty badly.

00:13:13.000 I'm going to upset my Yale colleague here

00:13:14.980 with that rather mangled illusion.

00:13:17.720 That is exactly the kind of thing

00:13:19.680 that the new censorship board

00:13:21.220 is going to censor,

00:13:22.500 the mixing of metaphors.

00:13:23.820 And that's a wonderful thing.

00:13:25.040 There's a little silver lining

00:13:26.120 in that storm cloud.

00:13:27.820 Senator, the White House

00:13:29.600 has given two examples

00:13:32.000 of the kind of thing

00:13:34.020 that the board is going to shut down.

00:13:36.380 That is calls to violent extremism

00:13:39.580 and as you say,

00:13:41.920 foreign disinformation,

00:13:43.080 specifically Russian disinformation.

00:13:44.900 And the problem,

00:13:45.520 it would seem to me,

00:13:46.340 is that the White House

00:13:47.860 accuses everything

00:13:49.100 that Republicans say

00:13:50.680 of being a call

00:13:51.960 to violent extremism

00:13:52.880 or Russian disinformation.

00:13:54.120 So we're joking about it.

00:13:55.800 It's absurd.

00:13:56.540 And it's funny to make fun

00:13:58.100 of this power-hungry lady 0.98

00:14:00.520 and the whole Biden administration.

00:14:02.240 But what are they going to do

00:14:04.160 and what are we going to do about it?

00:14:05.960 Look, it is so bad

00:14:08.020 that this week,

00:14:09.900 Jake Tapper from CNN

00:14:12.120 was forced to go on TV

00:14:14.860 and acknowledge,

00:14:16.260 yeah, she does really seem

00:14:17.460 to be a partisan

00:14:18.220 where she echoes

00:14:19.260 the Democratic talking points

00:14:20.860 and she's skeptical

00:14:21.660 of everything Republicans say.

00:14:23.540 And there's a clear political bias

00:14:25.680 in her take on things.

00:14:27.220 Now, when Jake Tapper,

00:14:28.840 who has become a mouthpiece

00:14:30.700 for the hard left,

00:14:32.160 he didn't used to be,

00:14:32.980 but he's become that,

00:14:34.740 when even he says that,

00:14:36.800 like, holy cow,

00:14:38.060 so what are we going to do about it?

00:14:40.180 Listen, I think one thing

00:14:41.160 we're doing about it,

00:14:41.820 we're doing right now,

00:14:42.640 which is just shining enough

00:14:43.880 of a light on it

00:14:44.780 that it prevents them

00:14:46.860 from going forward.

00:14:47.920 I do think you're seeing

00:14:49.200 the Biden administration

00:14:50.440 backpedaling.

00:14:52.960 There's been enough

00:14:53.940 of a blow pack.

00:14:54.700 I actually think labeling it

00:14:57.440 the ministry of truth

00:14:58.540 is really powerful

00:14:59.760 because, look,

00:15:00.860 obviously there are

00:15:01.700 communist regimes

00:15:02.700 that have ministries of truth

00:15:04.060 and that throw you

00:15:05.280 in the gulag

00:15:06.040 for daring to speak

00:15:08.040 other than the government line.

00:15:11.440 And calling this out

00:15:14.080 for what it is,

00:15:15.140 my hope is

00:15:16.140 that we, you know,

00:15:20.020 cut it off

00:15:21.040 right at the beginning.

00:15:24.060 If not,

00:15:25.540 then there's a reason

00:15:27.260 why I asked about it

00:15:28.740 twice this week

00:15:29.840 to two different

00:15:30.520 Biden officials

00:15:31.300 because I want to keep

00:15:32.380 the pressure on,

00:15:33.580 I want to keep the light on,

00:15:34.640 I want to force them

00:15:35.460 to defend 0.99

00:15:36.060 this ridiculous 0.98

00:15:37.740 abuse of power.

00:15:40.100 And if they continue

00:15:41.200 to try to go forward

00:15:42.380 with it,

00:15:43.480 next year,

00:15:45.520 I believe we're going

00:15:46.280 to have majorities

00:15:47.020 in both the House

00:15:47.680 and Senate.

00:15:48.160 We ought to use 0.79

00:15:48.660 the majorities

00:15:49.180 in the House

00:15:49.540 and Senate

00:15:49.880 to cut off the funding

00:15:50.960 and to shut it down

00:15:52.580 because the government

00:15:53.400 has no business

00:15:54.400 silencing

00:15:55.480 what the American people say.

00:15:57.240 I don't think

00:15:57.960 the timing is coincidental.

00:15:59.820 It's just too perfect

00:16:01.440 right after,

00:16:02.580 we've been joking about it,

00:16:03.520 but I think it's legit.

00:16:05.280 Right after Elon Musk

00:16:06.240 announces this,

00:16:07.320 you get the announcement

00:16:08.180 from the White House.

00:16:09.420 So,

00:16:09.980 then turning to Musk,

00:16:11.600 do you think this deal

00:16:12.860 is going to go through,

00:16:14.720 one,

00:16:15.260 and two,

00:16:16.680 what does that mean

00:16:17.700 for conservatives

00:16:18.440 on social media,

00:16:19.280 whether we're talking

00:16:20.140 about how the other

00:16:20.820 big tech platforms

00:16:21.600 are going to react

00:16:22.260 or whether we're talking

00:16:23.680 about how the government

00:16:24.380 is going to react.

00:16:25.480 Joe Biden is already

00:16:26.180 talking about clamping

00:16:27.600 down on Twitter

00:16:28.200 the minute they free up

00:16:29.260 speech for conservatives.

00:16:30.820 Yeah,

00:16:30.960 and by the way,

00:16:31.860 the European Union

00:16:32.680 is rattling its swords

00:16:34.600 and reminding Twitter,

00:16:35.740 we have rules to follow.

00:16:39.620 Look,

00:16:40.100 I think the deal

00:16:41.040 is going to go through.

00:16:42.020 I don't know for sure.

00:16:42.780 I don't know the inside

00:16:43.640 details of the deal,

00:16:44.900 but Elon seems

00:16:47.080 very committed

00:16:47.740 and certainly vocally committed.

00:16:49.180 The board has accepted it.

00:16:50.800 According to the public reporting,

00:16:52.360 he had financing locked down.

00:16:54.580 The financing may change

00:16:56.580 in terms of the mix

00:16:57.500 of debt and equity.

00:16:58.220 That wouldn't surprise me,

00:16:59.520 but it certainly seems

00:17:00.640 like it's going forward.

00:17:01.840 You know,

00:17:03.820 I will say there is an irony

00:17:05.300 that Elon Musk

00:17:07.060 has suddenly become

00:17:08.220 the champion

00:17:08.960 and the defender

00:17:10.040 of conservatives.

00:17:12.720 Elon vocally supported

00:17:15.220 and voted for Barack Obama

00:17:16.720 not once but twice.

00:17:18.840 You know,

00:17:19.160 Joe Rogan,

00:17:19.840 the other person

00:17:20.540 who has become,

00:17:21.420 they may be the two

00:17:22.340 most important people

00:17:23.400 concerning free speech

00:17:24.480 in the entire country,

00:17:25.780 Joe Rogan

00:17:26.260 and Doris Bernie Sanders. 0.76

00:17:27.680 So neither one of them

00:17:28.820 meets the standard definition

00:17:31.800 of a conservative.

00:17:34.040 But they both appreciate liberty.

00:17:36.740 They both value free speech.

00:17:39.680 You know,

00:17:40.060 it spoke volumes.

00:17:41.080 I don't know if you saw last week

00:17:42.540 a journalist at Time Magazine,

00:17:44.500 and I put journalist

00:17:45.300 in scare quotes,

00:17:47.320 said that free speech

00:17:49.540 is an obsession 0.62

00:17:50.420 of rich white guys.

00:17:52.760 Like,

00:17:54.360 the,

00:17:55.080 today's corporate media

00:17:57.160 wants to silence

00:17:58.700 everybody

00:17:59.980 except

00:18:01.800 themselves.

00:18:03.660 They want to have

00:18:04.520 a monopoly on speech.

00:18:06.240 Only the corporate media

00:18:07.640 and only big tech.

00:18:09.260 And I know you've seen

00:18:10.280 the meme

00:18:10.780 that Elon tweeted out,

00:18:12.380 which I think

00:18:12.720 is incredibly accurate,

00:18:13.880 that it showed

00:18:14.560 him previously

00:18:16.060 where you had

00:18:17.360 the right,

00:18:17.900 the left,

00:18:18.420 the center,

00:18:18.920 and it had him

00:18:19.400 left of center.

00:18:20.260 And then what it showed

00:18:21.320 was the left

00:18:22.700 running full speed

00:18:24.720 to the left

00:18:25.360 and suddenly

00:18:25.960 the center moved

00:18:27.100 so he was right of center.

00:18:28.660 But in the meme,

00:18:29.940 he hadn't moved an inch,

00:18:31.120 it's just the crazies

00:18:32.320 had taken over 0.73

00:18:33.320 the Democratic Party.

00:18:34.200 By the way,

00:18:34.520 Bill Maher's in the same boat

00:18:35.740 where these are

00:18:36.600 old school liberals

00:18:38.040 that just happen

00:18:40.240 to believe

00:18:40.820 in actual liberty.

00:18:42.400 And that,

00:18:44.000 in today's

00:18:45.560 Democratic Party,

00:18:46.600 that is

00:18:47.260 not only

00:18:48.580 not

00:18:49.000 the mainstream anymore,

00:18:50.600 that is a

00:18:51.360 heretical view

00:18:52.400 that must be

00:18:53.820 demonized

00:18:54.740 and quashed.

00:18:55.620 What do you think

00:18:56.740 the electoral politics

00:18:58.140 of this look like?

00:18:59.080 Do you think

00:18:59.560 that this plays

00:19:01.160 for Democrats?

00:19:02.360 Do you think

00:19:02.660 this Ministry of Truth

00:19:03.980 is going to help them

00:19:04.860 in the midterms,

00:19:06.040 whether through

00:19:06.420 the operation

00:19:07.080 of the agency

00:19:08.400 or just through

00:19:09.580 the public perception

00:19:10.540 of it?

00:19:10.980 Or are they

00:19:11.680 stepping on a rake here?

00:19:12.780 I think they're

00:19:13.540 stepping on a rake,

00:19:14.880 but a word you use

00:19:16.580 there that is important

00:19:17.680 and that we don't

00:19:18.400 know yet

00:19:19.020 is operation.

00:19:21.520 Like,

00:19:21.840 whether this board

00:19:22.840 will actually have

00:19:23.900 any legal power

00:19:25.080 or authority

00:19:25.860 if they engage

00:19:27.160 how they intend

00:19:28.700 to engage,

00:19:29.800 if it's just a,

00:19:31.400 look,

00:19:32.100 an example,

00:19:32.960 an example

00:19:33.400 we've talked about

00:19:34.340 early on

00:19:35.100 when it happened

00:19:35.620 on this podcast

00:19:36.360 was Dr. Fauci

00:19:38.460 in emails

00:19:39.600 asking Mark Zuckerberg

00:19:41.520 to silence

00:19:43.260 and censor

00:19:44.180 any discussions

00:19:45.080 of the origins

00:19:46.080 of COVID-19

00:19:46.960 and in particular

00:19:47.800 discussions

00:19:48.560 that it had

00:19:49.900 escaped from

00:19:51.120 a Chinese government

00:19:52.120 lab in Wuhan.

00:19:52.920 Wuhan

00:19:53.340 and we talked

00:19:54.220 about two years

00:19:55.080 ago

00:19:55.460 this podcast

00:19:56.700 walked through

00:19:57.740 exhaustively

00:19:59.220 the evidence

00:20:00.000 that suggests

00:20:01.160 and suggests

00:20:01.820 overwhelmingly

00:20:02.560 that COVID-19

00:20:04.160 escaped from

00:20:04.980 a Chinese government

00:20:05.760 lab in Wuhan.

00:20:08.300 Zuckerberg

00:20:08.820 was more than

00:20:09.420 happy to comply.

00:20:10.400 He said,

00:20:10.760 yes,

00:20:11.000 we will censor it,

00:20:11.920 we will keep it silent.

00:20:13.520 I could see this board

00:20:15.160 playing a similar role

00:20:16.620 and, for example,

00:20:17.520 emailing Zuckerberg

00:20:18.420 and Facebook

00:20:19.800 going along.

00:20:20.640 I don't know

00:20:22.460 whether there are

00:20:23.040 media outlets

00:20:23.640 that will go along.

00:20:25.260 I feel confident

00:20:26.620 Elon Musk

00:20:28.200 won't go along

00:20:29.280 and it's why

00:20:30.180 his buying Twitter

00:20:31.060 is so important

00:20:32.780 because it creates

00:20:33.820 a significant avenue.

00:20:36.500 By the way,

00:20:37.940 one thing people

00:20:39.280 may not realize

00:20:40.420 as to why Twitter

00:20:41.640 matters so much.

00:20:43.280 So a tiny percentage

00:20:44.500 of Americans

00:20:45.060 actually listen,

00:20:46.180 follow Twitter

00:20:47.060 and those

00:20:50.440 that do

00:20:51.000 skew pretty heavily

00:20:51.900 left.

00:20:52.340 If the world

00:20:52.980 were the Twittersphere, 0.97

00:20:54.500 we'd all be screwed. 0.93

00:20:56.060 We'd be sunk. 0.98

00:20:56.820 Yeah.

00:20:57.100 You know,

00:20:57.400 AOC would be president.

00:20:58.700 So I'm glad

00:20:59.780 that the world

00:21:00.640 is not the Twittersphere.

00:21:02.540 Now,

00:21:03.000 some of that

00:21:03.540 is amplified

00:21:05.760 by the shadow banning

00:21:07.940 and practices.

00:21:08.620 So we may find out

00:21:09.840 that the Twittersphere

00:21:10.560 is not as left

00:21:11.520 as it appears.

00:21:12.180 but most normal Americans

00:21:16.220 are not on Twitter.

00:21:17.100 The reason it matters,

00:21:17.880 one of the reasons

00:21:18.300 it matters so much

00:21:19.120 is every reporter

00:21:20.140 in the universe

00:21:20.740 is on Twitter.

00:21:22.220 And so I can tell you

00:21:23.140 in politics,

00:21:23.960 frankly,

00:21:24.460 the way you get out

00:21:25.640 a statement

00:21:26.060 and get it out quickly

00:21:26.920 is you go to Twitter

00:21:28.500 and you put it out

00:21:29.520 and it's an amazing thing.

00:21:31.300 Look,

00:21:31.520 Donald Trump

00:21:32.440 pioneered this in 2016

00:21:34.180 and I was

00:21:35.040 on the opposing side

00:21:36.620 and he captured

00:21:37.820 how to use Twitter

00:21:38.860 and just dominate

00:21:40.420 the news

00:21:41.060 within instances.

00:21:42.180 And it is a wild thing

00:21:44.740 that I will pull out my phone

00:21:46.780 and I'll send a tweet

00:21:48.040 and within minutes

00:21:49.680 I can turn on the TV

00:21:50.900 and see my tweet

00:21:51.960 on the news

00:21:53.080 driving the news

00:21:54.340 and driving messaging.

00:21:56.060 That's part of why

00:21:57.340 free speech on Twitter matters

00:21:59.040 because it influences

00:22:00.780 everyone that has

00:22:03.180 outlets of communication.

00:22:05.640 That is potent

00:22:08.100 for the overall public discourse.

00:22:10.300 Right.

00:22:10.500 I agree.

00:22:11.120 It does set the news

00:22:12.620 in a way

00:22:13.160 that Facebook

00:22:13.880 and YouTube

00:22:14.480 and Google don't.

00:22:15.520 I think that's why

00:22:16.300 they are absolutely losing it

00:22:18.080 that Elon is promising

00:22:19.440 conservatives

00:22:20.020 a little more freedom.

00:22:21.520 On this question

00:22:22.200 of political speech,

00:22:23.360 I am ashamed to say

00:22:24.280 that I have neglected

00:22:25.260 our verdict listeners,

00:22:26.680 but I will do that no more.

00:22:28.040 There's a question

00:22:28.540 I really want to get to here

00:22:29.620 in the mailbag.

00:22:30.820 You, of course,

00:22:31.320 can join Verdict Plus

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00:22:39.520 This question

00:22:40.240 comes to us

00:22:41.240 from Al,

00:22:41.900 who says,

00:22:42.660 Senator Cruz,

00:22:43.980 how do you think

00:22:44.620 the court will rule

00:22:46.140 on Ted Cruz

00:22:47.820 versus FEC?

00:22:49.940 A question

00:22:50.580 not only about

00:22:51.200 political speech,

00:22:51.940 but about a case

00:22:52.940 that you are

00:22:53.420 heavily involved in.

00:22:54.540 Yeah, no,

00:22:54.960 it's a case

00:22:55.400 I care a great deal about.

00:22:57.700 It is a case

00:22:58.820 challenging,

00:22:59.880 and I'm the name

00:23:01.080 plaintiff,

00:23:01.700 I brought the lawsuit.

00:23:03.240 It is challenging

00:23:04.140 an element

00:23:04.680 of McCain-Feingold,

00:23:05.720 which is the big

00:23:07.560 campaign finance law.

00:23:08.980 It's a terrible law.

00:23:10.800 One element

00:23:11.480 of the law

00:23:12.180 limits the ability

00:23:13.860 of a political candidate

00:23:15.040 to pay themselves

00:23:16.260 back for loans

00:23:18.100 they make

00:23:18.620 to their campaign,

00:23:19.820 and so it caps it

00:23:21.360 at paying yourself

00:23:23.420 back

00:23:23.900 at $250,000

00:23:25.980 is the most

00:23:27.800 you can pay yourself

00:23:28.720 back from funds

00:23:29.800 received after

00:23:30.640 the campaign,

00:23:31.180 and so,

00:23:32.220 you know,

00:23:32.680 you have lots

00:23:33.380 of candidates

00:23:33.880 who put

00:23:35.720 their life savings

00:23:36.480 into a campaign,

00:23:37.480 and they may

00:23:38.100 put $500,000

00:23:39.320 or more

00:23:40.480 into a campaign,

00:23:41.820 and McCain-Feingold

00:23:42.740 says,

00:23:43.120 well, tough,

00:23:44.120 you're not allowed

00:23:44.660 to pay yourself

00:23:45.260 back,

00:23:45.640 you've just

00:23:46.100 basically given

00:23:47.160 a gift to democracy,

00:23:48.260 and doesn't it 0.99

00:23:49.200 suck to be you? 0.99

00:23:50.640 And by the way, 1.00

00:23:51.780 the reason

00:23:52.340 that Congress

00:23:53.820 passed it,

00:23:54.460 if you go look

00:23:54.900 at the debates,

00:23:56.140 it's an incumbent

00:23:56.840 protection plan

00:23:57.780 because

00:23:58.960 one of the ways

00:24:01.260 incumbents

00:24:01.880 avoid being beat

00:24:03.180 is their challengers

00:24:04.180 can't raise any money,

00:24:05.640 and they don't have

00:24:06.100 the name ID

00:24:06.560 to raise money,

00:24:07.300 and so what happens

00:24:08.160 often is someone

00:24:09.560 will invest their own

00:24:10.440 money into the race,

00:24:11.200 and it is how

00:24:12.820 challengers get

00:24:14.040 the initial oxygen

00:24:15.600 to get their message

00:24:17.100 out.

00:24:17.560 Well, if you make it

00:24:18.420 that, you know,

00:24:19.560 Michael, you put your

00:24:20.300 money into the race,

00:24:21.200 and even if you win,

00:24:22.340 you can't get it back,

00:24:23.260 and it's going to cost you,

00:24:25.120 you might be willing

00:24:26.300 to do it,

00:24:26.820 but a lot of people

00:24:27.500 are not,

00:24:27.980 and so it's designed

00:24:29.060 to protect

00:24:30.800 incumbents

00:24:32.260 from challengers

00:24:33.000 taking them on,

00:24:33.760 so I brought

00:24:34.600 a constitutional challenge

00:24:35.720 to this provision.

00:24:37.560 I won a unanimous

00:24:38.840 decision in the lower

00:24:39.780 court,

00:24:40.240 so a three-judge

00:24:41.080 district court

00:24:41.720 struck down

00:24:42.500 this provision

00:24:43.200 of McCain-Feingold.

00:24:45.120 The appeal is pending

00:24:46.040 at the Supreme Court.

00:24:47.020 It's been briefed.

00:24:47.660 It's been argued.

00:24:48.800 We're waiting

00:24:49.500 on the decision.

00:24:50.220 I think the decision

00:24:50.940 will be very soon.

00:24:51.820 It could literally

00:24:52.320 be any day now.

00:24:53.340 I think we're

00:24:54.200 in the sweet spot

00:24:55.520 of when the decision

00:24:56.980 is going to come down,

00:24:57.920 I am cautiously optimistic.

00:25:01.140 I think the chances

00:25:02.080 are good

00:25:02.840 that we prevail.

00:25:04.600 If the court

00:25:05.620 addresses the merits,

00:25:06.880 in other words,

00:25:07.360 if the court

00:25:07.900 answers the question,

00:25:09.320 is this provision

00:25:10.360 of law unconstitutional,

00:25:12.360 I think the odds

00:25:13.280 are extremely high

00:25:14.160 we win.

00:25:14.520 I think it is

00:25:15.640 on the merits

00:25:16.600 we are very,

00:25:17.780 very likely to win.

00:25:19.680 There is some chance

00:25:21.280 that we lose

00:25:21.900 on a procedural ground.

00:25:23.740 The Biden Justice Department

00:25:25.180 had a procedural ground

00:25:26.480 that was a

00:25:27.160 technicality

00:25:28.420 that was based

00:25:29.080 on a factual mistake,

00:25:30.420 but I will say

00:25:31.580 at the oral argument

00:25:32.540 it sure seemed

00:25:33.340 like John Roberts

00:25:34.240 was fishing around

00:25:35.540 trying to get

00:25:36.140 some justices

00:25:36.880 to basically

00:25:38.160 throw the lawsuit

00:25:39.200 out on the procedural ground.

00:25:41.380 I don't know

00:25:42.160 if he will succeed

00:25:42.880 with that or not,

00:25:44.380 but that's

00:25:45.540 how the argument

00:25:47.540 came across.

00:25:48.620 So if they get

00:25:49.420 to the merits,

00:25:50.440 we are very,

00:25:52.080 very likely to win,

00:25:53.240 but there's some chance

00:25:54.420 they punt it

00:25:55.160 and avoid the merits

00:25:55.920 altogether.

00:25:56.380 Perhaps I will be nicer

00:25:58.240 to Chief Justice Roberts

00:25:59.540 on this show

00:26:00.140 for just the next

00:26:00.900 couple of weeks

00:26:01.640 to make sure

00:26:02.720 this thing doesn't

00:26:03.360 get thrown out

00:26:03.940 on procedural grounds

00:26:05.080 because that will

00:26:07.020 be an interesting

00:26:07.540 free speech case

00:26:08.660 and we'll look forward

00:26:09.860 to seeing it.

00:26:11.020 Last question

00:26:11.980 also has to do

00:26:13.040 with the court.

00:26:14.020 This is from Michael

00:26:14.960 who says,

00:26:16.860 how do you believe

00:26:17.660 the leak

00:26:18.360 of the Alito opinion

00:26:21.080 in the Dobbs case,

00:26:22.640 how do you believe

00:26:23.420 the Supreme Court leak

00:26:24.720 will affect

00:26:25.680 the midterm elections?

00:26:27.860 And he has two hashtags.

00:26:29.060 He says,

00:26:29.340 hashtag verdict,

00:26:30.320 hashtag Cruz 2024.

00:26:32.260 I'm just reading

00:26:32.880 the whole message.

00:26:33.700 So I don't know

00:26:34.520 that the leak itself

00:26:35.880 has a significant impact

00:26:37.520 on the midterms.

00:26:38.680 I do think the leak

00:26:40.120 is a manifestation

00:26:41.080 of how the Democrats

00:26:42.160 are destroying

00:26:43.100 our institutions,

00:26:43.900 trying to burn them down.

00:26:45.560 And in particular,

00:26:46.580 the degree to which

00:26:47.440 the leftists

00:26:48.120 are cheering it on

00:26:49.220 and literally saying, 0.67

00:26:50.380 burn it down.

00:26:51.120 I think that is beneficial

00:26:54.160 for the midterms

00:26:55.040 and in terms of people

00:26:56.260 realizing the radicals

00:26:58.780 really are in charge

00:26:59.860 of this party.

00:27:00.600 It's not unlike

00:27:01.820 the Antifa riots

00:27:03.860 in terms of just showing

00:27:05.220 that these guys 0.99

00:27:05.980 are extreme and crazy. 0.95

00:27:09.960 In terms of the

00:27:11.380 underlying decision,

00:27:12.800 I think what is likely

00:27:13.780 to be more consequential

00:27:15.000 in the midterm

00:27:15.640 is the decision itself.

00:27:17.020 And if the majority opinion

00:27:19.200 continues to be

00:27:19.940 the majority opinion

00:27:20.860 and if the outcome

00:27:21.600 is that the court

00:27:22.480 does strike down

00:27:23.520 Roe versus Wade,

00:27:25.640 I can tell you

00:27:26.320 Democrats in Washington

00:27:27.520 are holding on to that

00:27:28.640 as their Hail Mary chance

00:27:29.900 to save the midterms.

00:27:30.960 They believe that people

00:27:31.860 will be horrified

00:27:32.580 and that'll help them win.

00:27:34.900 And I got to tell you,

00:27:35.960 more than a few

00:27:37.260 Republican senators

00:27:38.280 are nervous that's the case.

00:27:40.880 There's several of us

00:27:42.140 who are conservatives

00:27:42.920 who've been trying

00:27:43.620 to make the case

00:27:44.480 to the nervous Nellies

00:27:45.820 in our conference.

00:27:47.060 It'll be okay.

00:27:48.040 This is going to be fine.

00:27:49.940 And I actually think

00:27:52.360 it probably will not have

00:27:54.360 much of an effect

00:27:55.460 on the midterms

00:27:56.360 and to the extent

00:27:57.060 it has an effect,

00:27:58.180 it will be a positive effect.

00:28:00.620 Here's why I think

00:28:01.780 it will have less of an effect

00:28:03.140 than the Democratic strategists think.

00:28:05.120 Because the people

00:28:06.300 who are most dismayed

00:28:07.520 about that

00:28:08.120 are hard leftists

00:28:09.140 that are clustered

00:28:09.840 in bright blue states

00:28:10.900 like New York, California.

00:28:13.980 Nothing's going to change

00:28:15.060 in those states.

00:28:15.800 At least for the immediate term,

00:28:19.440 California is going to continue

00:28:20.780 to allow unlimited abortion 0.81

00:28:22.320 on demand.

00:28:23.000 Roe versus Wade is,

00:28:23.860 if it's struck down,

00:28:25.360 California ain't changing

00:28:26.380 their laws

00:28:26.920 until we get new elected officials

00:28:28.600 in California.

00:28:30.140 And so I think

00:28:31.340 the kind of angry leftists,

00:28:34.500 many of whom 1.00

00:28:35.400 are pretty ignorant 1.00

00:28:36.800 and don't even know 1.00

00:28:37.520 what overturning Roe means,

00:28:39.600 I think a month afterwards

00:28:41.560 they're going to be surprised,

00:28:42.680 wait,

00:28:42.860 nothing about my life changed.

00:28:46.280 In other parts of the country

00:28:47.800 that are not bright blue,

00:28:48.960 in redder states,

00:28:50.040 in states like Tennessee,

00:28:52.340 states like Texas,

00:28:53.180 you're going to see

00:28:54.180 some meaningful restrictions

00:28:56.240 on abortion

00:28:56.880 and it's going to vary

00:28:57.740 state by state

00:28:58.680 how extensive

00:29:00.300 those restrictions are.

00:29:03.800 That was the framers' view

00:29:05.340 in the Constitution

00:29:06.080 is to let the rules

00:29:08.100 in each state

00:29:08.820 reflect the values

00:29:09.960 of the citizens

00:29:10.580 of those states.

00:29:11.440 but in the redder states

00:29:13.420 there are fewer people

00:29:15.600 that are going to be

00:29:16.120 horrified by that

00:29:17.120 and I think

00:29:20.680 you're going to have

00:29:21.200 a positive effect

00:29:22.520 of people

00:29:24.000 in the pro-life community

00:29:25.100 who have been fighting

00:29:25.860 for this for 50 years

00:29:27.620 being energized

00:29:29.120 and I am hopeful

00:29:31.100 that that being energized

00:29:32.880 is going to cause them

00:29:34.060 to turn out

00:29:34.860 and vote at the polls

00:29:36.060 and I think that could lead

00:29:38.280 to an even bigger majority

00:29:39.720 in the House

00:29:40.300 and the Senate

00:29:40.780 next year.

00:29:42.480 Right, that's a great point

00:29:43.400 because not only

00:29:44.680 is nothing going to change

00:29:46.140 in terms of abortion law

00:29:47.520 in the most pro-abortion places

00:29:50.100 but even if something

00:29:52.160 did change

00:29:52.880 and the Democrats

00:29:53.820 were irate

00:29:54.560 and steam were coming

00:29:55.280 out of their ears

00:29:55.920 nothing's going to change

00:29:57.340 about whom they're electing

00:29:58.600 and nothing's going to change

00:29:59.480 about the members of Congress

00:30:00.580 or the senators

00:30:01.480 or anything else.

00:30:02.960 That is a hopeful note

00:30:04.380 to end on, Senator,

00:30:05.960 that this case

00:30:07.940 might not only come out

00:30:08.940 with a good end

00:30:09.580 for the pro-life movement

00:30:10.580 but also might not hurt us

00:30:12.360 at the polls.

00:30:12.840 Frankly, it might even help us.

00:30:15.040 Before we go,

00:30:16.000 we've got to bring on

00:30:16.660 our friend Liz Wheeler

00:30:17.820 because you're not done yet, sir.

00:30:19.920 We've finished our episode

00:30:21.020 but you've got an episode

00:30:21.940 of Cloak Room coming up.

00:30:23.740 Liz, what are you going

00:30:24.240 to talk about?

00:30:24.820 Hi, Michael.

00:30:25.420 Hi, Senator Cruz.

00:30:26.480 I know that we've been talking

00:30:28.260 about this leaked draft

00:30:30.480 majority opinion

00:30:31.340 from the Supreme Court

00:30:32.620 overturning Roe v. Wade

00:30:33.740 or at least it does

00:30:35.680 in this draft opinion.

00:30:37.960 You guys have talked

00:30:38.680 about it a lot.

00:30:39.260 We've heard about it a lot

00:30:39.940 but there are more details

00:30:41.740 that need to be discussed

00:30:42.780 so we are going to do

00:30:43.620 a little investigative dive

00:30:45.300 into who exactly

00:30:46.900 might have leaked

00:30:48.160 this opinion,

00:30:49.100 how this might have happened

00:30:50.800 and whether the Supreme Court

00:30:52.400 actually will overturn

00:30:54.540 Roe v. Wade.

00:30:55.300 So join us on the Cloak Room

00:30:57.160 on Verdict Plus.

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00:31:13.140 It's going to be

00:31:13.920 quite the discussion.

00:31:14.940 I hope you'll join us.

00:31:16.440 So Michael,

00:31:17.860 yes, Senator,

00:31:18.460 in honor of Big Sis,

00:31:20.740 will you close us

00:31:21.540 on a show tune?

00:31:24.360 Senator,

00:31:25.160 I absolutely will

00:31:26.440 and do you know why?

00:31:27.520 Because I feel pretty

00:31:29.240 and I feel witty

00:31:30.920 and I feel pretty

00:31:32.360 and witty

00:31:33.400 and gay 0.97

00:31:34.840 and I pity 0.97

00:31:36.320 any podcaster

00:31:38.360 who isn't me.

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