Verdict with Ted Cruz - Deep Dive into the Trump Indictment： the Charges, the Hypocrisy & Next Steps

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:00:02.640 Guaranteed human.

00:00:05.480 Senator, always a pleasure to be with you in studio.

00:00:08.160 There is so much of this Trump indictment

00:00:10.280 that needs to be broken down.

00:00:12.300 That's gonna be the goal today

00:00:13.780 for people to understand this indictment.

00:00:16.840 Let's walk through exactly what they have charged

00:00:20.700 Donald Trump with, and also your overview.

00:00:23.660 How serious is this, in your opinion, scale one to 10?

00:00:27.040 We've seen like in New York,

00:00:28.220 there was not a lot of people worried about that indictment.

00:00:30.420 They thought it was frivolous.

00:00:31.400 They thought it was kind of absurd,

00:00:33.240 statute of limitations.

00:00:34.200 There's gonna be a lot of problems in court.

00:00:35.780 Is this different?

00:00:37.920 Well, the last podcast we did on Friday,

00:00:40.720 we did it right after news of the indictment broke,

00:00:43.420 but the indictment wasn't public.

00:00:44.800 What has changed between then and now

00:00:46.880 is we now have the indictment,

00:00:48.100 so we can see specifically what they brought.

00:00:50.920 I will say now, having reviewed the specific indictment,

00:00:54.820 it's pretty underwhelming.

00:00:56.660 There's not a lot of there there.

00:01:01.220 We talked quite a bit before the indictment

00:01:03.540 about how I believed it was extremely likely

00:01:05.880 that the Department of Justice

00:01:07.040 was going to indict Donald Trump,

00:01:09.600 that Merrick Garland, I believe,

00:01:12.260 wants to indict Donald Trump.

00:01:13.960 I think he came into office wanting to indict

00:01:16.040 and to prosecute Donald Trump.

00:01:18.260 But we also talked about the problem

00:01:20.420 that he couldn't just base it on the classified documents

00:01:23.740 because it so happened just about everyone else 0.97

00:01:26.040 did the same damn thing. 0.64

00:01:28.160 And so we discussed on this podcast 0.98

00:01:30.800 how I believe they would really build their case

00:01:33.300 as an obstruction case.

00:01:35.960 What's interesting is they did that,

00:01:38.800 but the bulk of the indictment

00:01:40.920 focuses on the classified documents.

00:01:42.560 So if you look at the indictment,

00:01:45.920 there are 37 counts in the indictment.

00:01:49.580 It starts with criminal offenses

00:01:58.680 concerning the willful retention

00:02:00.660 of national defense information,

00:02:03.580 withholding a document of record,

00:02:06.560 corruptly concealing a document of record,

00:02:09.620 concealing a document in a federal investigation,

00:02:12.180 a scheme to conceal.

00:02:13.220 And if you look at it,

00:02:15.060 all right, so counts one through 31

00:02:17.160 to the bulk of the indictment

00:02:19.040 are multiple counts of willful retention

00:02:22.460 of national defense information.

00:02:24.700 And by the text of it,

00:02:27.420 the terms of that crime are serious.

00:02:30.640 Whoever having unauthorized possession of,

00:02:32.980 access to or control over,

00:02:34.520 any document, writing, code books,

00:02:36.300 signal books, sketch, photograph,

00:02:38.720 photographic, negative blueprint plan,

00:02:41.120 map, model, instrument, appliance, or note

00:02:44.160 relating to the national defense

00:02:45.800 or information relating to the national defense,

00:02:51.460 which information the possessor

00:02:53.100 has reason to believe

00:02:54.280 could be used to the injury of the United States 0.64

00:02:57.020 or the advantage of any foreign nation,

00:02:59.840 willfully communicates, delivers, transmits,

00:03:02.340 or causes to be communicated,

00:03:03.940 delivered, or transmitted,

00:03:05.000 or attempts to communicate,

00:03:06.300 deliver, or transmitted,

00:03:07.300 or cause to be communicated,

00:03:09.020 delivered, or transmitted,

00:03:09.920 the same to any person

00:03:12.500 not entitled to receive it,

00:03:14.540 or willfully retains the same

00:03:16.380 and fails to deliver it

00:03:17.420 to the officer, employee of the United States

00:03:19.300 entitled to receive it.

00:03:22.420 Whoever being entrusted with

00:03:24.660 or having lawful possession of

00:03:26.220 or control of any document,

00:03:28.160 writing, code book, signal book, sketch,

00:03:29.800 photograph, photographic,

00:03:30.840 negative blueprint plan,

00:03:32.980 map, model, instrument,

00:03:34.240 appliance note, or information

00:03:35.560 relating to the national defense

00:03:37.140 through gross negligence,

00:03:39.980 permits the same to be removed

00:03:41.460 from its proper place of custody

00:03:43.020 or delivered to anyone

00:03:44.680 in violation of his trust,

00:03:46.660 or to be lost, stolen,

00:03:48.120 abstracted, or destroyed,

00:03:49.260 or having knowledge

00:03:50.900 that the same has been illegally moved

00:03:52.380 from its proper place of custody

00:03:54.380 or delivered to anyone

00:03:55.280 in violation of its trust,

00:03:56.700 or lost, or stolen,

00:03:58.260 abstracted, or destroyed,

00:03:59.220 and fails to make prompt report

00:04:01.820 of such loss, theft, abstraction,

00:04:03.860 or destruction

00:04:05.000 to his superior officer.

00:04:06.600 The consequence of all of that

00:04:08.120 is that you face a maximum fine

00:04:11.080 of $250,000

00:04:12.260 and imprisonment of not more

00:04:14.940 than 10 years or both.

00:04:17.700 Now, there's 31 counts of that.

00:04:20.280 If those 31 counts,

00:04:22.000 if Trump were convicted of it,

00:04:23.660 and if they ran consecutively,

00:04:26.040 he could be sentenced

00:04:26.720 to 310 years in prison.

00:04:28.380 Now, on the face of that,

00:04:32.420 all that sounds serious.

00:04:33.900 Yeah.

00:04:35.400 Except for the problem

00:04:36.460 that this is the president

00:04:37.320 of the United States.

00:04:39.440 This is the president

00:04:40.480 of the United States,

00:04:41.400 and every president

00:04:42.500 of the United States

00:04:43.380 has taken papers

00:04:44.260 from his time as president.

00:04:46.000 That goes back,

00:04:47.220 I suspect,

00:04:48.060 back to George Washington.

00:04:50.100 This is a general statute

00:04:51.860 that if you or I

00:04:53.580 are working in government,

00:04:54.560 we have a classified document,

00:04:55.780 and we shove them down

00:04:57.040 our underwear,

00:04:58.380 like Sandy Berger,

00:04:59.640 who was the national security advisor

00:05:01.740 to Bill Clinton did.

00:05:04.080 That's the kind of statute

00:05:05.460 that can be used

00:05:06.140 to go after you.

00:05:07.660 In this instance,

00:05:09.640 the press has been breathless

00:05:12.260 about the allegation

00:05:14.580 that Trump stored

00:05:15.380 classified documents

00:05:16.580 in his bathroom,

00:05:17.920 in his shower.

00:05:18.600 And the Biden Department

00:05:21.860 of Justice

00:05:22.580 media production office

00:05:25.480 helpfully took a picture,

00:05:27.120 which they conveniently

00:05:28.280 released to the world

00:05:29.340 because this is

00:05:30.120 a media production.

00:05:32.040 And I say that

00:05:33.100 tongue-in-cheek.

00:05:34.220 It should not be

00:05:34.900 a media production,

00:05:35.860 but they are engaged

00:05:36.700 in politics here.

00:05:38.960 We've all seen

00:05:39.960 the picture

00:05:40.500 of the boxes

00:05:41.540 stacked up

00:05:42.320 in the marble bathroom

00:05:43.360 with the chandelier.

00:05:44.660 And there's something

00:05:46.620 titillating about that.

00:05:48.000 That's an odd place

00:05:49.400 to store classified documents

00:05:50.880 in a shower.

00:05:52.660 Although,

00:05:53.140 I have to ask you something.

00:05:56.040 Number one,

00:05:58.120 every president

00:05:58.780 has taken records.

00:05:59.700 So just saying,

00:06:00.440 oh,

00:06:00.520 if you have a national security record, 0.92

00:06:01.920 you're obviously a felon.

00:06:03.240 Well,

00:06:03.660 if we're going to lock up

00:06:04.440 all our former presidents,

00:06:05.700 you know,

00:06:05.920 I'm not sure

00:06:06.680 Jimmy Carter

00:06:07.200 is going to last long

00:06:08.160 in doing hard time.

00:06:10.920 Bill Clinton,

00:06:12.940 on the other hand,

00:06:13.420 could do quite well

00:06:14.320 behind bars.

00:06:16.220 But secondly,

00:06:17.340 okay,

00:06:17.680 fine,

00:06:18.040 you've got an embarrassing

00:06:19.000 place for documents to be,

00:06:20.660 which is a bathroom

00:06:21.380 and shower.

00:06:21.880 Is that any

00:06:23.460 more embarrassing

00:06:24.560 than in a

00:06:26.120 cardboard box

00:06:27.120 in a garage

00:06:27.860 next to an antique Corvette?

00:06:29.660 Yeah.

00:06:29.960 That would be where

00:06:30.820 Joe Biden

00:06:31.320 kept his documents.

00:06:32.820 Or classified documents

00:06:33.940 on a server

00:06:34.460 in Hillary Clinton's

00:06:35.300 basement

00:06:35.580 in her bathroom.

00:06:37.040 At the end of the day,

00:06:38.960 the biggest problem

00:06:41.780 the Department of Justice

00:06:42.940 has is the 0.99

00:06:43.840 screaming hypocrisy. 0.93

00:06:47.280 This breathlessly says, 0.97

00:06:49.320 my God,

00:06:50.280 he had a classified document

00:06:52.080 off with his head.

00:06:54.900 And it doesn't say a word

00:06:56.720 about why they have

00:06:58.520 no concerns at all

00:06:59.660 about Joe Biden,

00:07:00.800 about all of the documents

00:07:02.040 he had,

00:07:02.420 not in one place,

00:07:03.160 not in two places,

00:07:04.180 in multiple places,

00:07:05.780 left with no security,

00:07:07.340 left stacked in the garage,

00:07:08.960 unlocked garage.

00:07:11.260 This is so obviously

00:07:13.180 a double standard.

00:07:14.740 This is a double standard

00:07:16.300 driven by

00:07:18.040 a Department of Justice

00:07:19.660 that's blinded by hatred.

00:07:22.800 I think they've

00:07:23.780 convinced themselves

00:07:24.780 that Trump actually

00:07:26.760 is Adolf Hitler. 0.66

00:07:28.380 And so nothing else matters

00:07:29.980 if you're going after Hitler.

00:07:31.280 Everything is justified.

00:07:34.260 And,

00:07:34.960 well, yes,

00:07:36.880 Joe Biden did the same thing.

00:07:38.100 Well, yes,

00:07:38.700 Hillary Clinton did the same thing. 1.00

00:07:40.340 But they're not Hitler.

00:07:41.560 This is how their thinking goes.

00:07:43.260 They're not Hitler,

00:07:44.200 so it's fine.

00:07:44.760 We like them.

00:07:45.620 They're on our team.

00:07:47.520 So it's not a crime

00:07:48.760 if they do it.

00:07:51.060 But boy,

00:07:52.060 isn't this a good excuse

00:07:53.500 to go after the devil?

00:07:56.020 looking at this indictment,

00:08:01.980 I think the same thing today

00:08:04.240 that I thought last week

00:08:05.340 when it was announced. 1.00

00:08:06.180 This is garbage. 0.99

00:08:08.000 It's not 1.00

00:08:08.860 the same kind of garbage 0.99

00:08:12.340 that Alvin Bragg's 1.00

00:08:14.440 New York indictment is.

00:08:16.180 That's just legally frivolous.

00:08:17.880 It's legally frivolous

00:08:19.220 on the face of it.

00:08:20.060 Scale to 1 to 10.

00:08:20.860 How concerned are you

00:08:21.660 over that indictment?

00:08:23.260 1 to 10.

00:08:23.700 The Bragg one? 0.98

00:08:24.540 Yeah.

00:08:25.200 1.5.

00:08:26.260 And what about this one?

00:08:27.840 4.5.

00:08:30.180 What's the biggest difference then?

00:08:32.220 There's several things.

00:08:34.300 Number one,

00:08:35.740 this is the Department of Justice.

00:08:37.740 Unlimited funds,

00:08:38.840 unlimited lawyers,

00:08:40.160 unlimited time.

00:08:41.020 When the Department of Justice

00:08:42.120 comes after you,

00:08:43.140 it is a lot more serious.

00:08:45.280 It just is.

00:08:45.980 DOJ has resources,

00:08:48.500 has power.

00:08:49.980 It has the ability

00:08:51.180 to devote

00:08:52.180 massive resources

00:08:54.320 and typically

00:08:55.840 far more talented prosecutors

00:08:57.920 than Alvin Bragg has

00:09:00.740 at his disposal.

00:09:03.100 Alvin Bragg,

00:09:04.080 on the face of it,

00:09:04.860 the indictment

00:09:05.500 is really reaching.

00:09:06.840 It's trying to create crimes

00:09:08.700 where none exist.

00:09:09.820 In this instance,

00:09:13.360 what they allege

00:09:15.220 is arguably criminal

00:09:17.680 for someone

00:09:18.180 who's not the President

00:09:18.900 of the United States.

00:09:20.000 The problem with it

00:09:21.540 is the double standard

00:09:22.600 and the political persecution

00:09:24.100 rather than whether or not

00:09:25.840 this is in fact

00:09:27.240 a violation of law.

00:09:29.640 The pundits on CNN

00:09:31.200 will all say,

00:09:32.140 ah,

00:09:32.480 they've shown

00:09:33.300 a violation of law.

00:09:34.740 My response is great.

00:09:36.160 Explain to me why.

00:09:37.160 If you want to prosecute

00:09:40.240 Trump,

00:09:41.680 are he and Biden

00:09:42.980 going to be cellmates?

00:09:44.220 If you bring

00:09:44.940 twin prosecutions

00:09:45.980 for the same thing

00:09:47.520 and put Hillary in, 1.00

00:09:49.600 have the three of them,

00:09:50.820 you want to prosecute

00:09:51.960 all three of them,

00:09:52.720 we can talk about that.

00:09:54.100 Now,

00:09:54.340 that would be absurd.

00:09:55.380 Sure.

00:09:56.140 But that would at least

00:09:57.100 be consistent

00:09:57.840 to say,

00:09:58.340 okay,

00:09:58.780 any of you

00:10:00.020 who had a classified document,

00:10:01.880 we're going to prosecute

00:10:02.640 all of you.

00:10:03.280 All right.

00:10:03.860 That I could understand.

00:10:05.260 This is so serious

00:10:07.580 off with all their heads.

00:10:09.220 But that's not

00:10:09.880 what they're saying.

00:10:11.480 With zero explanation,

00:10:14.260 they say,

00:10:14.920 when the guy

00:10:15.420 we don't like

00:10:16.220 who used to be

00:10:18.260 president of the United States,

00:10:19.520 who is a leading candidate

00:10:20.500 to be the next president

00:10:21.500 of the United States,

00:10:22.500 when he does it,

00:10:24.000 we will come after him

00:10:25.280 and try to put him in jail.

00:10:26.720 When our boss does it,

00:10:29.220 who,

00:10:29.640 what?

00:10:29.940 Never heard of Joe Biden.

00:10:30.760 Who's that guy?

00:10:32.060 So,

00:10:32.420 when you go to court on this,

00:10:33.680 let's paint that picture

00:10:34.800 of what this looks like

00:10:35.740 going forward.

00:10:37.000 Is there going to be

00:10:37.740 a jury trial?

00:10:38.640 I think it's pretty clear

00:10:39.360 there's not going to be

00:10:40.040 a plea deal here.

00:10:41.540 And before we explain

00:10:42.880 how that would actually go down,

00:10:44.240 will we even get to see it?

00:10:45.400 Will there be,

00:10:46.120 allow there to be,

00:10:46.960 you know,

00:10:47.240 cameras in that courtroom?

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00:11:56.600 Senator,

00:11:56.920 if this thing

00:11:57.700 moves forward,

00:11:58.580 which I think

00:11:59.180 it's going to,

00:12:00.620 are we going,

00:12:01.720 is he preparing

00:12:02.780 for a jury trial?

00:12:05.120 And it's in Florida.

00:12:06.460 Some people have asked

00:12:06.940 the question,

00:12:07.480 why is it in Florida?

00:12:08.820 Why didn't it happen

00:12:09.760 somewhere else?

00:12:11.020 How did they pick Florida

00:12:12.040 and what will that look like?

00:12:14.300 Well,

00:12:14.820 they picked Florida

00:12:15.580 because they allege

00:12:17.340 that's where the crimes occurred.

00:12:18.700 That they occurred

00:12:19.240 at Mar-a-Lago

00:12:19.880 that that's where Trump,

00:12:21.680 they allege,

00:12:22.460 illegally stored

00:12:23.160 the classified documents.

00:12:24.460 That's where he refused

00:12:25.260 to turn over

00:12:25.760 the classified documents.

00:12:26.980 That's where they allege

00:12:27.900 he engaged in obstruction

00:12:29.200 of justice.

00:12:29.920 And so you bring

00:12:30.660 the crime

00:12:31.260 where the alleged crime,

00:12:33.060 you bring the case

00:12:34.140 where the alleged crime occurred.

00:12:36.940 Look,

00:12:37.380 I think being in Florida

00:12:38.260 is better than being in D.C.

00:12:40.380 If this goes

00:12:41.220 to a jury trial,

00:12:43.080 Trump is likely

00:12:44.560 to get a more fair jury

00:12:46.400 in Florida

00:12:47.300 than he would in D.C.

00:12:48.360 D.C.

00:12:49.340 would be hopelessly

00:12:50.760 stacked against him.

00:12:53.020 You know,

00:12:53.340 looking at this indictment,

00:12:54.920 the double standard

00:12:56.600 is a massive problem

00:12:58.020 for DOJ

00:13:00.080 and right now

00:13:00.920 Merrick Garland

00:13:01.480 and Jack Smith

00:13:02.080 have done nothing

00:13:03.280 to address this.

00:13:06.980 That being said,

00:13:09.240 the obstruction claims

00:13:10.760 are where the greatest

00:13:11.580 legal peril is.

00:13:12.540 But let's start

00:13:13.520 on the double standard.

00:13:15.180 Listen to Jack Smith

00:13:16.360 when he's laying out

00:13:18.100 this indictment

00:13:19.000 and listen to

00:13:21.520 what he has to say.

00:13:22.720 Today,

00:13:23.360 an indictment

00:13:23.920 moves unsealed,

00:13:25.440 charging Donald J. Trump

00:13:26.740 with felony violations

00:13:28.260 of our national security laws

00:13:30.540 as well as participating

00:13:31.900 in a conspiracy

00:13:33.400 to obstruct justice.

00:13:35.800 This indictment

00:13:36.820 was voted

00:13:37.220 by a grand jury

00:13:38.060 of citizens

00:13:38.680 in the Southern District

00:13:39.860 of Florida.

00:13:41.100 And I invite everyone

00:13:42.060 to read it in full

00:13:43.000 to understand the scope

00:13:44.920 and the gravity

00:13:46.380 of the crimes charged.

00:13:48.780 The men and women

00:13:50.200 of the United States

00:13:51.480 intelligence community

00:13:52.440 and our armed forces

00:13:53.420 dedicate their lives

00:13:55.280 to protecting our nation

00:13:56.820 and its people.

00:13:58.680 Our laws

00:13:59.600 that protect

00:14:00.560 national defense information

00:14:01.960 are critical

00:14:03.220 to the safety

00:14:04.440 and security

00:14:05.220 of the United States

00:14:06.240 and they must

00:14:07.860 be enforced.

00:14:10.360 Violations of those laws

00:14:11.900 put our country

00:14:12.740 at risk.

00:14:15.380 Adherence

00:14:16.160 to the rule of law

00:14:17.040 is a bedrock principle

00:14:18.520 of the Department

00:14:19.420 of Justice.

00:14:20.000 and our nation's

00:14:21.860 commitment

00:14:22.180 to the rule of law

00:14:23.200 sets an example

00:14:24.780 for the world.

00:14:26.680 We have one set

00:14:27.700 of laws in this country

00:14:28.620 and they apply

00:14:29.700 to everyone.

00:14:31.920 Applying those laws,

00:14:33.640 collecting facts,

00:14:34.740 that's what determines

00:14:35.720 the outcome

00:14:36.400 of an investigation.

00:14:38.680 Nothing more

00:14:39.720 and nothing less.

00:14:41.620 So those remarks

00:14:44.540 literally need

00:14:45.300 a laugh track.

00:14:46.160 Yeah.

00:14:46.720 Like a studio audience

00:14:47.820 would start laughing

00:14:48.560 at that

00:14:49.080 because

00:14:50.140 he could give

00:14:52.080 the exact

00:14:53.300 same speech

00:14:54.740 substituting

00:14:56.700 the word

00:14:57.100 Joe Biden

00:14:57.760 for the words

00:14:59.260 Donald Trump.

00:14:59.960 Yeah.

00:15:00.880 He could give

00:15:01.760 the exact same speech

00:15:03.640 substituting Hillary Clinton

00:15:05.820 for Donald Trump.

00:15:07.580 Now obviously

00:15:08.020 he's not.

00:15:08.800 Why?

00:15:09.080 Because they like

00:15:10.000 those guys.

00:15:11.080 They're on the team.

00:15:13.200 And so all the moralizing

00:15:14.760 we have one set

00:15:15.640 of laws

00:15:16.200 for all people

00:15:17.340 who are enemies

00:15:18.280 of the White House.

00:15:20.560 It's a lie.

00:15:21.480 It's propaganda.

00:15:22.620 It is

00:15:23.540 demonstrably absurd.

00:15:26.000 I'm actually,

00:15:26.540 he's a pretty good actor.

00:15:27.280 I'm impressed

00:15:27.820 that he said that

00:15:28.600 with a straight face.

00:15:29.720 Like that you stand up

00:15:31.180 and say,

00:15:31.540 oh,

00:15:31.680 we apply this

00:15:32.460 fairly and uniformly

00:15:33.440 to everyone

00:15:34.140 as long as we don't like you.

00:15:35.480 Yeah.

00:15:35.660 It's like,

00:15:36.000 well,

00:15:36.100 if that's true,

00:15:36.640 then why isn't

00:15:37.220 the special counsel

00:15:38.000 having a press conference

00:15:38.920 right now

00:15:39.420 with Joe Biden

00:15:40.480 and the classified documents

00:15:43.200 he had at his house

00:15:43.800 next to his Corvette.

00:15:44.900 Do you expect

00:15:45.540 that will put any pressure

00:15:46.540 on them now

00:15:47.060 to have the same

00:15:47.640 press conference?

00:15:49.600 No.

00:15:50.740 Really?

00:15:51.280 They're not going to. 0.82

00:15:51.740 I think they're shameless.

00:15:53.280 I think they're so bought in 0.69

00:15:56.080 that they don't care,

00:15:59.980 that they believe

00:16:00.940 they are hunting the devil,

00:16:02.280 they're hunting Hitler, 0.80

00:16:02.920 and everything is justified

00:16:05.080 in the name of it.

00:16:05.620 Now,

00:16:06.320 where the legal exposure

00:16:08.220 is more significant

00:16:10.960 concerns obstruction of justice,

00:16:14.240 and we talked about this before,

00:16:15.680 that if they're going

00:16:17.060 to distinguish Trump

00:16:18.240 from Biden,

00:16:19.860 their best talking point

00:16:21.220 is,

00:16:21.540 well,

00:16:21.780 once it was discovered,

00:16:22.820 Biden handed it over,

00:16:23.840 Trump didn't.

00:16:24.340 So that's why it's different.

00:16:26.700 And I will say

00:16:28.760 in the indictment,

00:16:29.600 there are two exchanges

00:16:31.440 that are not great,

00:16:34.840 that we're going to hear

00:16:35.500 about a lot on the TV.

00:16:37.280 So prepare for it.

00:16:38.200 Prepare for it.

00:16:39.160 If there are,

00:16:40.960 if there's a trial,

00:16:43.740 we will hear about it on trial.

00:16:46.200 One exchange is,

00:16:48.860 this was caught on tape,

00:16:50.600 where he's talking about

00:16:53.180 the documents,

00:16:55.120 and Trump says,

00:16:56.940 quote,

00:16:57.700 all sorts of stuff,

00:16:58.840 pages long.

00:16:59.500 Wait a minute.

00:16:59.860 Let's see here.

00:17:01.260 I just found,

00:17:02.080 isn't it amazing?

00:17:02.900 This totally wins my case,

00:17:04.300 you know,

00:17:04.960 except it's like

00:17:05.800 highly confidential,

00:17:07.660 secret.

00:17:08.520 This is secret information.

00:17:10.780 Look,

00:17:11.080 look at this.

00:17:14.360 He points out

00:17:15.520 in another section

00:17:16.280 of the transcript,

00:17:17.120 he said,

00:17:17.400 you know,

00:17:17.560 when I was president,

00:17:18.380 I could declassify this,

00:17:20.320 but I can't now.

00:17:22.060 And a Trump aide

00:17:23.140 on the tape says,

00:17:24.060 that's a problem.

00:17:27.120 That exchange will be played

00:17:29.020 in court

00:17:30.620 as evidence of willfulness.

00:17:35.060 What Biden would argue

00:17:36.760 is that he didn't know

00:17:37.640 he had the documents,

00:17:38.600 that he wasn't aware,

00:17:39.700 that he didn't willfully

00:17:41.920 violate the statute.

00:17:43.300 And once he found out

00:17:44.420 he had them,

00:17:45.440 he gave them back.

00:17:46.680 And Biden will argue then

00:17:47.900 that he didn't obstruct.

00:17:51.560 There's another portion

00:17:52.780 of testimony

00:17:56.720 from Trump's former lawyer

00:18:00.020 who says Trump

00:18:02.360 in responding

00:18:03.180 to the subpoena

00:18:04.120 advised his two attorneys

00:18:08.220 and he was talking

00:18:09.100 about Hillary Clinton's lawyer

00:18:10.260 and he says,

00:18:10.720 quote,

00:18:11.560 he was great.

00:18:12.740 He did a great job.

00:18:14.340 You know what he said?

00:18:15.620 He said that it,

00:18:16.940 that it was him,

00:18:18.380 that he was the one

00:18:19.680 who deleted all her emails,

00:18:21.600 the 30,000 emails,

00:18:23.200 because they basically

00:18:24.360 dealt with her scheduling

00:18:25.440 or going to the gym

00:18:26.480 and her having beauty appointments. 0.95

00:18:28.020 And he was great.

00:18:29.760 And he,

00:18:31.200 and she didn't get

00:18:32.140 into any trouble

00:18:33.060 because he said

00:18:35.400 he was the one

00:18:36.880 who deleted them.

00:18:38.700 And according to Trump's lawyers,

00:18:40.640 he said that several times

00:18:42.540 during the day.

00:18:43.600 Quote,

00:18:43.880 related that story

00:18:44.820 more than once

00:18:45.680 during that day.

00:18:47.320 Now look,

00:18:50.000 on obstruction,

00:18:51.500 Hillary Clinton

00:18:51.960 is someone else

00:18:52.620 who engaged,

00:18:53.360 I believe,

00:18:53.780 in obstruction of justice,

00:18:55.560 who engaged

00:18:56.480 in the willful destruction

00:18:57.660 of evidence,

00:18:58.320 who deleted 30,000 emails,

00:19:01.360 who used bleach bit

00:19:02.720 to erase the evidence of it,

00:19:05.040 who used hammers

00:19:05.940 to smash cell phones.

00:19:08.280 Yeah.

00:19:08.860 Hillary Clinton's conduct

00:19:10.040 is serious.

00:19:13.560 This DOJ happily ignores it.

00:19:17.320 because she's on the team

00:19:19.020 and they're on her team.

00:19:20.540 The argument,

00:19:21.340 I'm sure,

00:19:21.560 is going to be,

00:19:21.920 I was joking.

00:19:22.700 I was talking about

00:19:23.260 the double standard

00:19:23.860 of Hillary Clinton.

00:19:24.820 With that play in court,

00:19:26.760 in that capacity,

00:19:28.000 I'm clearly talking about 0.98

00:19:29.160 how ridiculous 0.97

00:19:29.800 this subpoena is. 0.98

00:19:30.960 I'm talking about

00:19:31.580 how absurd it is

00:19:32.480 they're coming after me

00:19:33.320 and wanting all

00:19:33.740 these documents.

00:19:34.760 Hillary Clinton,

00:19:35.580 this is what she was doing

00:19:36.640 and no one batted an eye.

00:19:38.060 So I was remarking on that.

00:19:41.840 He might.

00:19:42.940 Presumably,

00:19:43.500 that is what he would say.

00:19:45.600 There's another portion

00:19:46.640 from his lawyers

00:19:47.540 where they said

00:19:48.540 that Trump suggested

00:19:49.860 that they just pluck out

00:19:51.680 the classified documents.

00:19:56.940 The prosecution will argue

00:19:59.040 that the jury

00:19:59.780 should conclude from that

00:20:01.340 that Trump was instructing them

00:20:03.860 to destroy evidence

00:20:05.000 in violation of a subpoena.

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00:20:50.520 So, how does this play in court?

00:20:54.000 I mean,

00:20:54.300 we saw that he called

00:20:55.800 for an expedited.

00:20:58.440 He wants to move quickly

00:20:59.820 with this,

00:21:00.600 going to a trial.

00:21:02.240 How much say-so

00:21:03.280 does the DOJ have in that?

00:21:05.180 Who ultimately will decide?

00:21:06.760 How are they going to choose

00:21:07.700 the judge here?

00:21:09.200 Which court does this go to?

00:21:10.540 And were we going to watch this

00:21:11.640 on TV like we watched

00:21:12.820 O.J. Simpson?

00:21:13.680 Is the whole world

00:21:14.760 going to stop

00:21:15.440 and we're going to see cameras

00:21:16.400 and is Trump going to have

00:21:17.140 to be there every day

00:21:17.920 sitting there

00:21:18.600 as a defendant

00:21:19.680 at that table?

00:21:21.080 Look, that is certainly possible.

00:21:25.220 This could proceed quickly.

00:21:29.540 I think it's likely

00:21:30.700 to take a long time.

00:21:32.140 It's going to take

00:21:32.660 at a minimum months.

00:21:33.660 It could take years.

00:21:35.440 Part of it depends

00:21:36.480 on what the pretrial

00:21:37.820 motions are,

00:21:39.780 what litigation arises out

00:21:41.700 of trying to exclude evidence.

00:21:43.120 There are all sorts

00:21:44.000 of pretrial steps

00:21:47.120 that could delay a trial

00:21:48.840 for years.

00:21:51.640 It's possible.

00:21:52.720 We see a trial quickly.

00:21:54.660 I think that's pretty unlikely,

00:21:56.880 but it depends on

00:21:59.480 the initial reporting

00:22:01.020 is this was assigned

00:22:02.080 to Judge Eileen Cannon,

00:22:03.440 who is a judge

00:22:04.220 that Trump appointed.

00:22:09.160 Assuming that's true,

00:22:10.440 that's a good development

00:22:11.620 for him,

00:22:12.020 not to have a judge

00:22:12.900 who is predisposed

00:22:14.700 to be antagonistic

00:22:15.840 and hostile to him.

00:22:21.060 Can the DOJ

00:22:22.140 immediately say,

00:22:23.300 well, he appointed her

00:22:24.020 so she should be

00:22:25.060 taken out of the courtroom

00:22:26.960 for this?

00:22:27.540 We want another judge. 0.89

00:22:28.660 Is that something

00:22:29.620 they could fight for?

00:22:31.220 They could try to do that.

00:22:32.980 I don't think that motion

00:22:33.980 would succeed.

00:22:35.080 Why is that?

00:22:35.600 Because most people think,

00:22:36.440 well, it'd be simple

00:22:37.260 to say, hey,

00:22:37.840 this woman's bias. 0.98

00:22:39.360 He appointed her.

00:22:41.300 Legally, how does that work?

00:22:42.380 So instead you should

00:22:43.440 have a judge

00:22:43.920 that was appointed

00:22:44.420 by Biden

00:22:45.060 and to be biased

00:22:46.160 against him?

00:22:47.120 Look, we're in

00:22:48.920 untreaded territory

00:22:50.600 because no Department

00:22:52.240 of Justice has ever

00:22:53.160 prosecuted a president

00:22:54.340 before.

00:22:55.820 With good reason.

00:22:56.980 We haven't been

00:22:58.020 in this circumstance

00:22:59.040 before.

00:23:00.100 I think as a matter

00:23:01.300 of law,

00:23:02.120 it is not the case

00:23:03.360 that every judge

00:23:05.020 appointed by a president

00:23:06.200 is naturally biased

00:23:07.800 to be predisposed

00:23:09.760 to support that president.

00:23:12.380 Particularly with

00:23:14.380 district court nominations,

00:23:15.700 you often see instances

00:23:17.380 where Republicans

00:23:18.280 appoint district judges

00:23:20.680 who the Democrat senators

00:23:21.840 in that state pushed

00:23:22.920 who can be very,

00:23:25.060 very liberal.

00:23:26.160 You see case instances

00:23:27.720 where Democrats

00:23:28.600 appoint district judges

00:23:30.400 where you have

00:23:31.060 particularly Republican senators

00:23:32.300 from those states

00:23:33.220 where the judges

00:23:35.020 are relatively conservative.

00:23:36.440 And so as a legal matter,

00:23:40.340 it's not a straight-up proxy

00:23:41.660 that whoever appointed

00:23:42.500 the judge,

00:23:43.240 they're just a partisan

00:23:44.180 for that president.

00:23:46.520 And by the way,

00:23:47.120 they're not supposed to be.

00:23:48.240 They're supposed to be

00:23:49.440 fair and impartial.

00:23:52.440 The overwhelming problem here

00:23:55.040 is the obvious

00:23:57.100 double standard.

00:23:57.980 And here,

00:23:58.300 listen to Trump

00:23:59.800 explaining and actually

00:24:01.740 explaining quite accurately

00:24:02.860 the double standard.

00:24:03.600 Every time I fly over

00:24:05.280 a blue state,

00:24:07.160 I get a subpoena.

00:24:08.740 It's no coincidence

00:24:09.720 they indicted me

00:24:11.460 the very same day

00:24:12.700 that it was revealed

00:24:13.580 that the FBI

00:24:14.360 hit explosive evidence

00:24:15.880 that Joe Biden

00:24:16.620 took a $5 million

00:24:17.640 illegal bribe

00:24:19.640 from Ukraine.

00:24:21.240 Next,

00:24:21.700 Hunter will probably

00:24:22.560 be charged

00:24:23.220 with some very minor offense

00:24:24.540 so that the FBI

00:24:25.460 and DAOJ

00:24:26.600 can pretend

00:24:27.480 that they're fair.

00:24:28.840 They want to pretend

00:24:29.600 they're fair.

00:24:30.360 We got Hunter

00:24:31.220 for jaywalking.

00:24:34.300 As far as the

00:24:35.640 joke of an indictment,

00:24:37.900 it's a horrible thing.

00:24:39.400 It's a horrible thing

00:24:40.320 for this country.

00:24:42.760 I mean,

00:24:43.360 the only good thing

00:24:44.460 about it

00:24:45.560 is it's driven

00:24:46.240 my poll numbers

00:24:47.140 way up.

00:24:47.660 Can you believe this?

00:24:48.980 So I will say

00:24:50.180 that right there,

00:24:51.860 that legal analysis

00:24:54.080 is exactly spot on.

00:24:56.760 What's interesting

00:24:57.580 is a lot of what

00:24:58.360 Trump is saying there

00:24:59.320 is what we've been saying

00:25:00.240 on verdict for months.

00:25:01.680 Yeah.

00:25:03.560 With regard to

00:25:04.560 Hunter Biden,

00:25:05.200 I believe they're going

00:25:06.120 to indict Hunter Biden.

00:25:07.240 I think they'll do it soon.

00:25:09.300 And it may not be

00:25:10.400 for jaywalking,

00:25:11.360 but it's going to be

00:25:12.320 for something

00:25:13.100 personal and small

00:25:15.220 that can be explained

00:25:16.820 he's a poor,

00:25:17.740 troubled soul 0.93

00:25:18.400 with a substance abuse problem.

00:25:19.920 That doesn't connect him

00:25:20.900 to his father.

00:25:21.900 That's the critical point.

00:25:23.920 Build that wall

00:25:25.420 to protect Joe Biden

00:25:27.500 and just make Hunter Biden

00:25:29.000 the scapegoat

00:25:29.880 and that's going

00:25:30.640 to let Jack Smith,

00:25:31.680 that's going to let

00:25:32.340 Merrick Garland say,

00:25:33.800 look how even-handed

00:25:34.800 we are.

00:25:35.740 We indicted a Trump

00:25:36.700 and a Biden.

00:25:37.500 See, we're fair.

00:25:38.840 And nobody

00:25:40.220 who's paying attention

00:25:41.820 at all will buy that.

00:25:44.060 But for some people

00:25:45.580 who are not paying attention,

00:25:46.940 that may sound persuasive.

00:25:49.040 Look,

00:25:49.540 the point Trump made

00:25:50.360 also there

00:25:50.940 was really important,

00:25:52.600 which is

00:25:54.060 this indictment

00:25:55.260 came literally

00:25:56.280 the day

00:25:57.120 that we learned

00:25:59.220 that there's an informant,

00:26:00.420 an informant

00:26:01.040 that the FBI

00:26:01.660 has relied upon,

00:26:02.740 an informant

00:26:03.300 that the FBI

00:26:03.960 has trusted

00:26:05.200 in previous cases

00:26:06.480 who came forward

00:26:07.880 and alleged

00:26:08.440 that Joe Biden

00:26:09.320 received a $5 million

00:26:10.940 bribe

00:26:11.880 from Burisma,

00:26:13.380 the Ukrainian

00:26:14.160 natural gas company

00:26:15.460 that was paying

00:26:16.580 Hunter Biden

00:26:18.180 a million dollars

00:26:19.040 a year

00:26:19.480 and that we know

00:26:21.200 Joe Biden

00:26:22.500 took official acts

00:26:24.200 to benefit.

00:26:24.880 He bragged,

00:26:25.840 the infamous 0.99

00:26:26.320 son-of-a-bitch exchange, 1.00

00:26:28.520 he bragged 0.99

00:26:29.520 about holding

00:26:30.880 a billion dollars

00:26:32.040 in American aid

00:26:32.880 hostage

00:26:33.380 to force Ukraine 0.71

00:26:35.960 to fire

00:26:36.780 the prosecutor

00:26:37.740 who was going

00:26:39.080 after the corrupt

00:26:40.560 oligarch

00:26:41.480 who owned Burisma.

00:26:43.120 So if you look

00:26:43.920 at bribery,

00:26:45.340 you need a quid pro quo.

00:26:47.060 We know there's a quo.

00:26:48.660 We know that Joe Biden

00:26:50.000 took official action

00:26:51.120 that benefited Burisma.

00:26:53.640 If, in fact,

00:26:55.040 he deposited

00:26:55.760 $5 million

00:26:56.420 from Burisma,

00:26:58.760 Joe Biden

00:26:59.480 should be charged

00:27:00.680 and prosecuted

00:27:01.720 for bribery.

00:27:02.620 To be honest,

00:27:03.580 that is the most

00:27:05.320 grave allegation

00:27:07.540 against a president

00:27:09.120 that we've seen

00:27:11.520 in our lifetimes.

00:27:12.840 That is literally

00:27:14.240 being on the take

00:27:15.620 and being bribed.

00:27:17.960 It's like Abscam.

00:27:18.960 It's showing up

00:27:19.740 with a paper bag

00:27:20.840 full of cash.

00:27:22.020 Here's the favor

00:27:22.720 we want.

00:27:23.560 Will you do it?

00:27:24.460 If it is correct,

00:27:25.660 and by the way,

00:27:26.940 it may be false.

00:27:28.560 This is at this point

00:27:29.660 an allegation

00:27:31.540 from an anonymous

00:27:32.300 informant

00:27:32.920 to the FBI

00:27:33.660 that the FBI

00:27:34.420 is trying mightily

00:27:35.700 to stonewall 0.88

00:27:36.520 and cover up.

00:27:38.580 If it's false,

00:27:39.940 then Joe Biden

00:27:40.800 ought to clear his name.

00:27:42.420 If it's false,

00:27:43.380 Joe Biden ought to say,

00:27:44.240 release it,

00:27:45.120 bring the witness forward,

00:27:46.440 have him testify.

00:27:47.280 Joe Biden should be angry.

00:27:50.100 I am angry

00:27:51.000 that you are impugning

00:27:52.420 my character

00:27:53.640 by saying

00:27:55.400 I took a bribe.

00:27:56.300 The fact that he's

00:27:56.880 not doing that,

00:27:57.700 that he says,

00:27:58.280 where's the money?

00:28:01.000 That is

00:28:02.020 incredibly troubling.

00:28:04.340 And the fact

00:28:04.960 that it's literally

00:28:07.380 the same day.

00:28:08.300 Look,

00:28:08.460 these are the same goons 1.00

00:28:09.600 that sent the IRS

00:28:11.900 to Matt Taibbi's house

00:28:13.360 the day he was testifying

00:28:15.740 in front of the House

00:28:17.760 of Representatives

00:28:18.480 on Twitter censorship

00:28:20.400 at the behest

00:28:21.480 of the federal government.

00:28:24.660 Jackbooted thugs 0.79

00:28:25.800 behave this way.

00:28:27.740 Yeah.

00:28:28.480 This is not behavior

00:28:30.720 that demonstrates integrity,

00:28:32.420 that demonstrates respect

00:28:33.420 for law,

00:28:34.120 that demonstrates

00:28:34.780 all those great things

00:28:35.960 Jack Smith talks about

00:28:37.060 in his speech.

00:28:38.160 Say it all you want to,

00:28:39.000 but it's just not true.

00:28:39.960 And the proof is the fact

00:28:41.220 they're coming after him

00:28:41.900 for everything.

00:28:42.380 And everyone else

00:28:43.540 gets to walk around.

00:28:44.540 And even like we heard,

00:28:45.720 there was apparently...

00:28:46.320 By the way,

00:28:47.240 to any reporter,

00:28:48.640 and look,

00:28:48.980 there are no reporters

00:28:49.800 who actually do their jobs

00:28:51.280 anymore in the corporate media,

00:28:52.500 but to any reporter,

00:28:53.600 the next time you talk

00:28:55.220 to any Democrat senator,

00:28:57.720 ask the following question.

00:29:00.520 If it is proven true

00:29:01.980 that Joe Biden received

00:29:04.440 a $5 million bribe

00:29:06.460 personally from Ukraine

00:29:07.980 in exchange

00:29:09.180 for government policy,

00:29:10.520 should he be impeached?

00:29:12.980 Yes or no?

00:29:14.680 I don't think any reporter

00:29:15.840 will ask a Democrat senator

00:29:17.020 that question.

00:29:18.860 I will say for a Democrat senator,

00:29:20.960 I don't know how the heck

00:29:21.520 they'd answer it

00:29:22.120 because they'd backpedal

00:29:23.340 and they'd...

00:29:24.520 Hypotheticals.

00:29:25.520 I don't answer.

00:29:26.380 Hypotheticals.

00:29:26.820 Yeah.

00:29:27.380 Look, that's easy.

00:29:29.760 Anyone who is convicted

00:29:32.300 of bribery,

00:29:33.040 who's guilty of bribery,

00:29:34.300 yes, they should be impeached.

00:29:36.020 And it doesn't have to be

00:29:36.860 a high crime or misdemeanor.

00:29:37.860 Remember, the Constitution said

00:29:38.940 bribery, treason,

00:29:40.160 or other high crimes

00:29:40.860 and misdemeanors.

00:29:41.640 Bribery is explicitly laid out.

00:29:44.400 If you have a corrupt

00:29:45.700 public servant

00:29:47.200 who is on the take,

00:29:49.600 that is why impeachment exists.

00:29:52.060 If Joe Biden received

00:29:53.440 $5 million from Burisma,

00:29:55.340 Joe Biden ought to go to prison.

00:29:56.600 And that $5 million

00:29:57.860 is separate from the $5 million

00:29:59.400 that's sung got.

00:30:00.060 A lot of people in the media

00:30:00.860 have not covered that at all.

00:30:02.880 This isn't $5 million

00:30:04.140 that went into a bunch

00:30:04.980 of bank accounts.

00:30:06.280 Divide it up.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, the allegation

00:30:07.780 is to Joe directly.

00:30:08.780 Right.

00:30:09.040 Joe directly $5 million

00:30:10.120 and Hunter got another $5 million.

00:30:12.280 I don't know if it's $5 million.

00:30:13.140 He got $1 million a year

00:30:14.080 over several years.

00:30:15.220 I'm not sure it's fully $5,

00:30:16.560 but it is millions.

00:30:18.140 Yeah.

00:30:18.500 Separate cash

00:30:19.280 for the two men.

00:30:21.080 Separate payoffs

00:30:21.860 for the two men.

00:30:22.980 Not commingled 10%

00:30:24.460 for the big guy.

00:30:25.540 Which is something the media

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00:31:38.180 I got to ask you

00:31:39.160 a question

00:31:39.500 about election

00:31:40.000 interference here.

00:31:42.580 The idea of a

00:31:44.100 presidential frontrunner

00:31:45.980 having to go to court,

00:31:47.900 having to go into

00:31:48.920 a jury trial,

00:31:50.160 this charade,

00:31:51.200 which I would say

00:31:52.320 is probably going to be

00:31:52.860 bigger than the O.J. Simpson

00:31:53.800 trial in all reality,

00:31:55.000 especially if we get

00:31:55.800 to watch it.

00:31:57.200 Is that on its face,

00:31:59.120 not election interference,

00:32:00.220 that you're trying

00:32:00.880 to put a guy

00:32:01.500 at a defense table

00:32:02.760 and tie him up in courts?

00:32:04.700 I would assume

00:32:05.200 this court case

00:32:05.860 could last weeks,

00:32:06.740 if not months.

00:32:07.620 Easily.

00:32:08.820 While he's also

00:32:09.600 trying to leave

00:32:10.360 and go run for president

00:32:11.600 at the very same time.

00:32:13.480 How, I mean,

00:32:14.080 for Democrats

00:32:14.660 who are obsessed

00:32:15.160 with election interference

00:32:15.980 and Russian collusion,

00:32:17.300 which was a lie,

00:32:18.180 and they knew it was a lie,

00:32:19.120 but this is actual

00:32:20.640 election interference,

00:32:22.240 is it not?

00:32:22.740 Of course it is.

00:32:23.800 And it's blatant.

00:32:25.200 And in your face.

00:32:27.780 That's why

00:32:29.060 the Department of Justice

00:32:31.380 has standards

00:32:32.220 that it does not

00:32:33.800 typically bring

00:32:35.040 a prosecution

00:32:35.960 on the eve

00:32:37.420 of a campaign,

00:32:38.300 to not interfere

00:32:39.040 with the campaign.

00:32:40.460 It's why

00:32:41.740 the standards

00:32:44.060 should be

00:32:44.840 exceptionally high

00:32:46.660 for when you

00:32:49.880 would prosecute

00:32:50.980 a former president

00:32:52.500 or a candidate

00:32:53.540 or a candidate

00:32:53.560 for president.

00:32:54.660 Doesn't mean

00:32:55.260 it should never be met.

00:32:56.760 It just means

00:32:57.440 it should be

00:32:57.880 exceptionally high.

00:32:58.800 Now, look,

00:32:59.620 Jack Smith

00:32:59.980 has some experience

00:33:00.860 in this.

00:33:02.160 Jack Smith

00:33:02.740 prosecuted Bob McDonnell,

00:33:04.760 who was the governor

00:33:05.260 of Virginia.

00:33:06.200 He brought the case

00:33:07.420 against Bob McDonnell.

00:33:08.280 And by the way,

00:33:08.740 McDonnell,

00:33:09.240 at the time,

00:33:10.480 was a plausible

00:33:11.880 candidate for president.

00:33:12.960 He wasn't a frontrunner,

00:33:13.880 but he was one

00:33:14.480 of the plausible

00:33:15.080 candidates for president.

00:33:16.200 He was governor

00:33:16.620 of Virginia.

00:33:17.880 At the time,

00:33:18.700 he was popular

00:33:19.240 in Virginia.

00:33:19.900 Jack Smith

00:33:20.300 brought a case.

00:33:20.980 He got a conviction.

00:33:22.840 Conviction went

00:33:23.480 to the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:33:26.020 And the Supreme Court

00:33:27.280 unanimously

00:33:28.460 vacated the conviction.

00:33:31.400 Threw it out.

00:33:33.100 Concluded it was

00:33:33.840 contrary to law.

00:33:35.300 Now,

00:33:35.940 the damage was done.

00:33:37.300 You know what?

00:33:37.820 Jack Smith

00:33:38.260 had interfered

00:33:38.840 in that election.

00:33:39.560 He had accomplished

00:33:40.300 the real purpose.

00:33:42.140 Ruined a man's life 0.98

00:33:43.060 and changed the outcome

00:33:44.120 of an election

00:33:44.640 and he was in charge.

00:33:45.560 Yes.

00:33:46.240 And the Supreme Court

00:33:47.040 unanimously threw it out,

00:33:48.420 but they threw it out

00:33:49.220 years later

00:33:49.780 when all the damage

00:33:50.600 had been done.

00:33:51.680 For a president

00:33:52.740 to be indicted,

00:33:55.100 the threshold

00:33:55.900 should be

00:33:56.560 exceptionally high.

00:33:58.120 It shouldn't be

00:33:59.120 jaywalking.

00:34:01.080 It shouldn't be

00:34:02.600 keeping books

00:34:06.140 that wrongfully reflect

00:34:08.140 how hush money

00:34:09.180 was paid

00:34:09.900 as Alvin Smith

00:34:11.240 has in his 0.91

00:34:12.360 ridiculous indictment. 0.85

00:34:14.320 And it shouldn't be 0.88

00:34:15.780 possessing presidential records

00:34:18.020 just like every other

00:34:20.200 president has done.

00:34:21.800 The threshold

00:34:23.120 needs to be

00:34:24.000 significant

00:34:24.660 because there's

00:34:25.180 an obligation

00:34:25.720 to respect

00:34:26.780 the electoral process.

00:34:28.420 There's an obligation

00:34:29.200 to respect

00:34:29.880 democracy.

00:34:31.300 This indictment

00:34:32.180 shows contempt

00:34:33.000 for democracy.

00:34:34.400 They're not

00:34:35.240 indicting him

00:34:36.060 because they think

00:34:38.720 he's going to lose

00:34:39.600 the election

00:34:40.160 in November.

00:34:41.540 They're indicting him

00:34:42.780 because they're afraid

00:34:43.520 he's going to win

00:34:44.320 the election

00:34:45.240 in November.

00:34:46.960 That means

00:34:47.960 they are perfectly

00:34:49.600 happy to say

00:34:50.480 we have power

00:34:51.420 and we're going to

00:34:52.260 use power

00:34:52.900 to stop 1.00

00:34:53.480 the damn 1.00

00:34:54.180 voters 1.00

00:34:54.680 from putting

00:34:55.740 someone we don't

00:34:56.520 want into the

00:34:57.080 White House.

00:34:58.300 Same thing they

00:34:59.040 tried to do

00:34:59.400 in 2016.

00:35:00.420 We won.

00:35:01.240 Yes.

00:35:01.800 We're going to

00:35:02.280 overthrow the will

00:35:02.900 of the people.

00:35:03.760 We're going to

00:35:04.160 use documents

00:35:04.800 we know aren't real.

00:35:05.800 And it's what

00:35:06.240 DOJ and FBI

00:35:07.080 did throughout

00:35:07.680 the Trump presidency

00:35:08.520 from within

00:35:09.140 the deep state.

00:35:10.460 They waged war

00:35:11.300 on him.

00:35:12.080 They're now

00:35:12.600 doing it openly

00:35:13.860 and brazenly

00:35:15.740 at press conferences.

00:35:17.720 And this is

00:35:18.740 designed

00:35:19.500 to be politics.

00:35:21.580 I'll tell you

00:35:22.060 the kind of

00:35:22.680 allegation

00:35:23.360 that would

00:35:24.340 merit this.

00:35:26.360 If you have

00:35:27.260 an allegation

00:35:27.960 that Donald Trump

00:35:28.740 received a

00:35:29.300 five million dollar

00:35:30.180 bribe

00:35:30.720 from Ukraine

00:35:32.780 or China

00:35:34.100 or anyone else

00:35:34.900 and you can

00:35:36.400 demonstrate

00:35:36.860 that he received

00:35:37.860 the bribe

00:35:38.380 in exchange

00:35:39.600 for official

00:35:40.620 conduct.

00:35:41.080 That's the

00:35:42.700 kind of case

00:35:43.240 that should

00:35:43.540 be brought.

00:35:43.920 But they

00:35:44.100 don't have

00:35:44.340 that allegation.

00:35:45.100 They don't

00:35:45.440 have that

00:35:45.780 evidence.

00:35:46.200 They do

00:35:46.580 have the

00:35:46.940 allegation

00:35:47.440 about Joe

00:35:47.940 Biden.

00:35:49.480 That is

00:35:50.180 the type

00:35:50.760 of crime

00:35:51.440 that would

00:35:52.200 clear the

00:35:53.020 threshold

00:35:53.620 for what

00:35:54.240 should be

00:35:54.740 brought

00:35:55.140 against a

00:35:56.260 president

00:35:56.680 or a

00:35:57.140 former

00:35:57.380 president

00:35:57.900 or a

00:35:58.640 major

00:35:59.040 presidential

00:35:59.600 candidate.

00:36:00.500 The irony

00:36:01.740 is they

00:36:02.620 announce

00:36:03.180 this

00:36:03.760 political

00:36:04.560 persecution

00:36:05.400 on the

00:36:06.980 same day

00:36:07.900 that news

00:36:08.600 breaks

00:36:09.060 about Joe

00:36:10.100 Biden.

00:36:10.440 It's not

00:36:10.940 complicated

00:36:11.700 to understand

00:36:13.640 the magic

00:36:14.100 act going

00:36:14.740 on.

00:36:15.520 Pay no

00:36:16.040 attention

00:36:16.400 to what's

00:36:16.800 over here.

00:36:17.820 Watch

00:36:18.080 over here.

00:36:18.620 Watch

00:36:18.820 the fuzzy

00:36:19.160 rabbit.

00:36:19.980 The insane

00:36:20.460 part of this

00:36:20.960 conversation

00:36:21.540 is this

00:36:22.380 is all

00:36:22.940 could happen

00:36:23.660 this trial

00:36:24.220 before we

00:36:25.960 vote.

00:36:26.700 What if it

00:36:27.220 is delayed

00:36:27.720 till after?

00:36:29.140 What if

00:36:29.480 hypothetically

00:36:30.240 Donald Trump

00:36:30.920 wins the

00:36:31.640 primary and

00:36:33.060 then it's

00:36:33.380 the general

00:36:33.820 and then

00:36:34.140 they say

00:36:34.400 okay now

00:36:34.980 we're going

00:36:35.380 to go

00:36:35.740 to a

00:36:36.200 court case

00:36:36.580 or even

00:36:37.120 worse.

00:36:38.340 What if

00:36:38.580 he wins

00:36:39.060 the general

00:36:40.200 he's now

00:36:41.220 the president

00:36:41.840 of the

00:36:42.080 United States

00:36:42.460 of America

00:36:42.840 could they

00:36:43.660 haul him 0.68

00:36:44.300 down to

00:36:44.780 Florida

00:36:45.060 for a

00:36:45.540 jury trial

00:36:46.140 and you

00:36:46.400 could see

00:36:46.820 the president

00:36:47.340 of the

00:36:47.480 United States

00:36:47.820 of America

00:36:48.320 while he's

00:36:49.120 supposed to

00:36:49.320 be doing

00:36:49.540 the job

00:36:49.900 at the

00:36:50.120 White House

00:36:50.520 sitting on

00:36:51.540 a jury

00:36:51.860 trial

00:36:52.160 what happens

00:36:53.140 then?

00:36:53.500 So we're

00:36:54.760 in uncharted

00:36:55.560 territory

00:36:56.120 then

00:36:56.560 the

00:36:57.600 Department

00:36:58.020 of

00:36:58.260 Justice

00:36:58.620 has an

00:36:59.220 existing

00:36:59.680 legal

00:37:00.100 opinion

00:37:00.460 from the

00:37:00.820 Office

00:37:01.060 of Legal

00:37:01.340 Counsel

00:37:01.780 that says

00:37:03.080 that DOJ

00:37:03.720 will not

00:37:04.300 indict a

00:37:05.460 sitting

00:37:05.660 president

00:37:06.120 But they've

00:37:07.120 already

00:37:07.300 indicted him

00:37:07.720 and he's

00:37:07.920 not the

00:37:08.480 sitting

00:37:08.680 president

00:37:09.000 That's

00:37:09.360 why you're

00:37:09.760 getting into

00:37:10.180 uncharted

00:37:10.620 legal

00:37:10.900 territory

00:37:11.440 I don't

00:37:12.760 know what

00:37:13.220 DOJ

00:37:13.700 would conclude

00:37:14.480 if he's

00:37:15.080 already been

00:37:15.660 indicted

00:37:16.160 and the

00:37:17.120 trial is

00:37:17.760 proceeding

00:37:18.240 I can't

00:37:18.940 even believe

00:37:19.220 we're having

00:37:19.460 this conversation

00:37:20.040 so insane

00:37:20.700 It would

00:37:22.000 be utterly

00:37:22.780 insane

00:37:23.440 The fact 0.91

00:37:25.840 that he's

00:37:26.260 indicted

00:37:26.660 as a legal

00:37:27.200 matter

00:37:27.540 does nothing

00:37:28.080 to prevent

00:37:28.500 him from

00:37:28.780 running

00:37:28.980 for office

00:37:29.820 doesn't

00:37:30.340 disqualify

00:37:30.940 him from

00:37:31.200 the ballot

00:37:31.620 doesn't

00:37:31.960 make him

00:37:32.300 ineligible

00:37:32.820 You can

00:37:33.800 be

00:37:34.000 indicted

00:37:34.380 Sadly

00:37:34.960 the left

00:37:35.720 uses

00:37:36.780 indictments

00:37:37.420 as political

00:37:37.960 weapons

00:37:38.400 quite frequently

00:37:39.240 You could

00:37:41.500 even end

00:37:42.420 up with

00:37:42.880 his being

00:37:43.640 convicted

00:37:44.160 I don't

00:37:44.480 think that's

00:37:44.900 going to

00:37:45.080 happen

00:37:45.360 but if

00:37:45.820 he were

00:37:46.060 convicted

00:37:46.620 and sentenced

00:37:47.160 to jail

00:37:47.700 he's still

00:37:48.540 not ineligible

00:37:49.460 to be

00:37:49.800 president

00:37:50.180 being

00:37:51.500 convicted

00:37:51.960 of a

00:37:52.280 crime

00:37:52.620 does not

00:37:53.060 remove

00:37:53.480 your

00:37:53.680 eligibility

00:37:54.100 to be

00:37:54.840 president

00:37:55.200 I don't

00:37:56.720 think we

00:37:57.080 will see

00:37:57.440 that scenario

00:37:58.480 because much

00:38:00.700 like the

00:38:01.180 Bob McDonnell

00:38:01.820 case that

00:38:02.380 Jack Smith

00:38:02.980 brought

00:38:03.400 I mean

00:38:04.040 they literally

00:38:04.460 brought in

00:38:04.900 a guy

00:38:05.360 who had

00:38:06.640 been engaged

00:38:07.400 in political

00:38:08.020 prosecutions

00:38:08.840 before

00:38:09.260 that were

00:38:10.220 absolute

00:38:11.020 failed

00:38:11.540 disasters

00:38:12.180 they brought

00:38:12.640 him in

00:38:12.860 and said

00:38:13.060 hey can

00:38:13.340 you come

00:38:13.600 do it

00:38:13.820 again

00:38:14.080 a unanimous

00:38:15.120 failure

00:38:16.000 by the

00:38:16.920 Supreme

00:38:17.200 Court

00:38:17.460 standards

00:38:18.120 yes

00:38:19.120 and unanimous

00:38:19.760 this means

00:38:20.020 including

00:38:20.420 the lefty

00:38:21.080 justices

00:38:21.620 right

00:38:21.900 like the

00:38:22.860 justices

00:38:23.400 appointed

00:38:23.800 by Democrats

00:38:24.680 on the

00:38:24.980 far left

00:38:25.440 all of

00:38:25.960 them

00:38:26.140 agreed

00:38:26.620 no

00:38:27.260 this

00:38:28.820 this

00:38:30.060 conviction

00:38:30.500 cannot

00:38:30.840 stand

00:38:31.220 so you

00:38:32.000 could have

00:38:32.260 a president

00:38:32.640 that is

00:38:32.960 convicted

00:38:33.400 and it

00:38:34.420 could work

00:38:34.740 its way

00:38:35.060 all the way

00:38:35.400 up to the

00:38:35.720 Supreme

00:38:35.960 Court

00:38:36.280 yeah

00:38:36.720 so then

00:38:37.840 the other

00:38:38.140 question

00:38:38.620 if he

00:38:39.720 is the

00:38:40.040 president

00:38:40.520 and these

00:38:42.080 charges

00:38:42.420 are there

00:38:42.740 by the

00:38:43.280 way

00:38:43.460 that's

00:38:43.960 why

00:38:44.800 Gerald

00:38:45.960 Ford

00:38:46.520 pardoned

00:38:47.220 Richard

00:38:47.480 Nixon

00:38:47.800 we might

00:38:48.340 have

00:38:48.460 found

00:38:48.680 this

00:38:48.920 out

00:38:49.280 Richard

00:38:50.340 Nixon

00:38:50.800 I believe

00:38:51.760 committed

00:38:52.140 multiple

00:38:52.660 crimes

00:38:53.140 as you

00:38:53.460 know

00:38:53.660 I write

00:38:54.060 about

00:38:54.280 this

00:38:54.540 at

00:38:54.740 length

00:38:55.120 in my

00:38:55.400 last

00:38:55.720 book

00:38:56.040 justice

00:38:56.780 corrupted

00:38:57.320 how the

00:38:57.640 left

00:38:57.860 has

00:38:58.020 weaponized

00:38:58.560 the

00:38:58.720 legal

00:38:58.940 system

00:38:59.320 the

00:38:59.460 whole

00:38:59.600 first

00:38:59.860 chapter

00:39:00.240 walks

00:39:01.180 through

00:39:01.480 the

00:39:01.680 criminal

00:39:01.960 conduct

00:39:02.420 of the

00:39:03.200 Nixon

00:39:03.540 White

00:39:03.940 House

00:39:04.220 of the

00:39:04.480 Nixon

00:39:04.660 Department

00:39:05.040 of

00:39:05.240 Justice

00:39:05.700 and

00:39:06.560 in

00:39:06.700 many

00:39:06.980 ways

00:39:07.380 Barack

00:39:07.880 Obama

00:39:08.340 succeeded

00:39:09.060 in doing

00:39:09.640 what

00:39:09.920 Nixon

00:39:10.200 tried

00:39:10.600 to do

00:39:10.960 and

00:39:11.780 now

00:39:12.240 Biden

00:39:12.980 does

00:39:13.360 so

00:39:13.660 openly

00:39:14.120 and

00:39:14.400 brazenly

00:39:15.040 but

00:39:15.380 after

00:39:16.520 Nixon

00:39:16.900 resigned

00:39:17.380 in

00:39:17.560 disgrace

00:39:18.000 there

00:39:19.180 was a

00:39:19.440 very

00:39:19.600 real

00:39:19.860 possibility

00:39:20.400 he

00:39:20.620 would

00:39:20.780 be

00:39:20.920 prosecuted

00:39:21.460 John

00:39:21.780 Mitchell

00:39:22.080 his

00:39:22.260 attorney

00:39:22.520 general

00:39:22.940 was

00:39:23.520 prosecuted

00:39:24.280 and served

00:39:24.680 I think

00:39:24.940 22

00:39:25.320 months

00:39:25.620 in

00:39:25.820 jail

00:39:26.080 if

00:39:27.420 Nixon

00:39:27.840 had

00:39:28.100 been

00:39:28.300 prosecuted

00:39:29.140 the

00:39:29.380 scenario

00:39:30.180 you're

00:39:30.540 talking

00:39:30.860 about

00:39:31.080 of the

00:39:31.300 entire

00:39:31.620 country

00:39:32.000 watching

00:39:32.440 TV

00:39:32.780 like

00:39:33.020 the

00:39:33.180 OJ

00:39:33.440 trial

00:39:33.860 and seeing

00:39:34.820 the

00:39:35.040 president

00:39:35.400 dragged

00:39:35.840 through

00:39:36.040 this 1.00

00:39:36.300 garbage 1.00

00:39:36.640 it 0.99

00:39:36.820 would

00:39:36.980 have

00:39:37.060 been

00:39:37.180 a

00:39:37.340 nightmare

00:39:37.640 and

00:39:38.580 it's

00:39:38.760 why

00:39:39.040 Gerald

00:39:39.420 Ford

00:39:39.720 stepped

00:39:40.080 forward

00:39:40.440 and

00:39:40.680 pardoned

00:39:41.200 him

00:39:41.460 and

00:39:41.700 I

00:39:42.380 think

00:39:42.600 pardoning

00:39:43.180 him

00:39:43.500 was an

00:39:44.800 act

00:39:45.060 of

00:39:45.240 real

00:39:45.480 courage

00:39:46.020 because

00:39:46.300 it

00:39:46.600 probably

00:39:47.240 single

00:39:47.860 handedly

00:39:48.640 ensured

00:39:50.960 that Ford

00:39:51.600 would lose

00:39:52.140 the election

00:39:52.720 and Jimmy

00:39:53.940 Carter

00:39:54.200 would be

00:39:54.520 elected

00:39:54.900 yeah

00:39:55.300 and

00:39:56.100 he knew

00:39:56.380 he knew

00:39:58.300 that

00:39:58.540 he knew

00:39:58.960 that

00:39:59.140 when he

00:39:59.360 was

00:39:59.500 signing

00:39:59.800 the

00:40:00.000 pardon

00:40:00.340 he

00:40:01.220 was

00:40:01.480 likely

00:40:02.020 dooming

00:40:02.700 his

00:40:03.020 own

00:40:03.300 election

00:40:03.700 to be

00:40:04.100 president

00:40:04.480 that he

00:40:04.720 was going

00:40:04.900 to cost

00:40:05.420 himself

00:40:05.820 the job

00:40:06.300 he was

00:40:06.580 in

00:40:06.820 but he

00:40:08.200 did it

00:40:08.600 I believe

00:40:09.100 because he

00:40:09.660 believed it

00:40:10.080 was better

00:40:10.420 for the

00:40:10.700 country

00:40:10.980 to spare

00:40:11.520 the

00:40:11.760 country

00:40:12.180 the

00:40:13.080 nightmare

00:40:13.640 of the

00:40:14.320 president

00:40:14.680 going

00:40:15.020 through

00:40:15.260 an

00:40:15.420 extended

00:40:15.760 criminal

00:40:16.160 trial

00:40:16.560 we've

00:40:17.400 come

00:40:17.600 a long

00:40:18.220 way

00:40:18.580 from

00:40:19.380 that

00:40:19.700 moment

00:40:20.100 to

00:40:20.360 now

00:40:20.880 Biden

00:40:21.760 and

00:40:21.960 Merrick

00:40:22.220 Garland

00:40:22.580 and Jack

00:40:23.080 Smith

00:40:23.400 gleefully

00:40:24.900 hoping

00:40:25.640 and praying

00:40:26.380 they can

00:40:26.880 drag

00:40:27.200 the

00:40:27.380 country

00:40:27.780 through

00:40:28.360 a

00:40:29.280 criminal

00:40:29.640 trial

00:40:30.260 directed

00:40:30.960 at the

00:40:31.400 former

00:40:31.680 president

00:40:32.220 and a

00:40:33.360 leading

00:40:33.600 candidate

00:40:34.020 to be

00:40:34.300 the next

00:40:34.580 president

00:40:34.920 can a

00:40:35.660 president

00:40:36.160 a sitting

00:40:36.640 president

00:40:37.200 pardon

00:40:37.900 himself

00:40:38.480 that is

00:40:39.640 an

00:40:39.760 unclear

00:40:40.060 question

00:40:40.600 also

00:40:41.080 it

00:40:41.440 has

00:40:41.620 been

00:40:41.820 debated

00:40:42.260 there

00:40:42.660 are

00:40:42.860 differing

00:40:43.340 views

00:40:43.940 history

00:40:45.100 has never

00:40:45.460 tested

00:40:45.820 it

00:40:46.100 and

00:40:47.320 who

00:40:48.320 knows

00:40:48.600 we may

00:40:48.980 find out

00:40:49.520 if Joe

00:40:49.860 Biden

00:40:50.160 decides

00:40:50.560 to pardon

00:40:51.000 himself

00:40:51.400 for taking

00:40:51.840 a five

00:40:52.160 million

00:40:52.360 dollar

00:40:52.600 bribe

00:40:53.040 that he

00:40:54.280 could

00:40:54.420 do

00:40:54.740 he could

00:40:55.520 probably

00:40:56.960 as I said

00:40:58.380 it's untested

00:40:59.120 he could

00:40:59.520 try

00:41:00.000 he could

00:41:00.820 certainly

00:41:01.280 try

00:41:01.920 I'll point

00:41:03.020 out that

00:41:03.440 if Joe

00:41:03.840 Biden

00:41:04.140 were to

00:41:04.560 pardon

00:41:04.920 himself

00:41:05.280 for taking

00:41:05.700 a five

00:41:06.000 million dollar

00:41:06.460 bribe

00:41:06.920 even

00:41:08.260 the tiny

00:41:09.320 at times

00:41:10.340 not very

00:41:10.960 reliable

00:41:11.560 house

00:41:12.100 majority

00:41:12.620 in the

00:41:13.000 house

00:41:13.380 would be

00:41:14.540 forced to

00:41:14.980 impeach

00:41:15.320 him

00:41:15.440 there

00:41:15.640 what about

00:41:16.380 his son

00:41:16.740 they indict

00:41:18.160 Hunter

00:41:18.440 Biden

00:41:18.840 Hunter

00:41:19.900 Biden

00:41:20.200 gets some

00:41:20.620 indictments

00:41:21.140 to come

00:41:21.440 down

00:41:21.820 can he

00:41:22.540 just say

00:41:22.880 it's

00:41:23.020 my son

00:41:23.560 I love

00:41:24.140 him

00:41:24.280 he's

00:41:24.440 the smartest

00:41:24.900 guy

00:41:25.300 I know

00:41:25.780 and impeach

00:41:26.940 him

00:41:27.140 and is

00:41:27.580 that

00:41:27.900 something

00:41:28.220 the house

00:41:28.580 could deal

00:41:28.920 with

00:41:29.120 he can

00:41:30.900 pardon

00:41:31.380 Hunter

00:41:32.220 yes

00:41:32.840 he can

00:41:34.700 unquestionably

00:41:35.360 pardon Hunter

00:41:36.280 of federal

00:41:37.380 offenses

00:41:37.820 he can't

00:41:38.340 pardon him

00:41:38.760 of state

00:41:39.200 offenses

00:41:39.600 so there

00:41:39.960 may be

00:41:40.280 state

00:41:40.520 offenses

00:41:40.900 in addition

00:41:41.440 to federal

00:41:41.880 offenses

00:41:42.320 I will

00:41:43.640 say

00:41:44.320 if he

00:41:45.760 were to

00:41:46.240 pardon Hunter

00:41:47.080 in a way

00:41:47.940 that

00:41:49.700 was

00:41:51.080 pardoning

00:41:51.820 him

00:41:52.220 of

00:41:52.500 corruption

00:41:53.180 that

00:41:54.340 involved

00:41:55.100 corruption

00:41:55.900 implicating

00:41:57.000 Joe

00:41:57.320 Biden

00:41:57.700 you're

00:41:59.440 getting

00:41:59.660 into

00:41:59.920 murky

00:42:00.240 legal

00:42:00.540 territory

00:42:00.960 here

00:42:01.400 but that

00:42:01.880 is

00:42:02.080 the

00:42:02.260 sort

00:42:02.700 of

00:42:02.920 thing

00:42:03.440 that

00:42:04.200 the

00:42:04.380 Democrats

00:42:04.900 for

00:42:05.280 years

00:42:05.860 said

00:42:07.040 concerning

00:42:07.600 Donald

00:42:07.980 Trump

00:42:08.400 was

00:42:08.880 obstruction

00:42:09.360 of

00:42:09.580 justice

00:42:09.940 that

00:42:11.200 when

00:42:11.420 Trump

00:42:11.800 talked

00:42:12.240 about

00:42:12.600 pardoning

00:42:13.280 different

00:42:13.620 players

00:42:14.160 they

00:42:15.000 argued

00:42:15.440 that's

00:42:15.800 obstruction

00:42:16.180 of

00:42:16.400 justice

00:42:16.720 if you

00:42:17.060 use

00:42:17.340 the

00:42:17.480 pardon

00:42:17.720 power

00:42:18.160 to

00:42:19.360 prevent

00:42:19.960 our

00:42:20.240 investigation

00:42:21.040 if

00:42:21.300 Joe

00:42:21.520 Biden

00:42:21.840 were

00:42:22.040 to

00:42:22.180 do

00:42:22.360 that

00:42:22.620 for

00:42:23.260 Hunter

00:42:23.680 in such

00:42:24.320 a way

00:42:24.800 as to

00:42:25.200 block

00:42:25.760 or to

00:42:26.560 try to

00:42:26.960 block

00:42:27.260 investigation

00:42:28.100 into

00:42:28.380 Joe

00:42:28.700 Biden's

00:42:29.140 own

00:42:29.320 corruption

00:42:29.820 that

00:42:30.720 could

00:42:31.020 be

00:42:31.280 arguably

00:42:31.940 characterized

00:42:32.720 as

00:42:33.140 obstruction

00:42:33.560 of

00:42:33.780 justice

00:42:34.100 by

00:42:34.380 Joe

00:42:34.600 Biden

00:42:34.880 I got

00:42:35.420 one

00:42:35.580 more

00:42:35.720 question

00:42:35.960 I want

00:42:36.100 to

00:42:36.140 ask

00:42:36.340 you

00:42:36.420 about

00:42:36.580 the

00:42:36.720 political

00:42:36.940 campaign

00:42:37.520 before

00:42:38.140 we

00:42:38.260 do

00:42:38.340 that

00:42:38.480 let me

00:42:38.640 tell

00:42:38.780 you

00:42:38.820 about

00:42:38.940 our

00:42:39.040 friends

00:42:39.220 at

00:42:39.380 Chuck

00:42:39.620 if

00:42:39.820 you're

00:42:39.940 a

00:42:40.060 guy

00:42:40.320 and

00:42:40.520 you're

00:42:40.680 dealing

00:42:40.880 with

00:42:41.020 a

00:42:41.160 real

00:42:41.380 issue

00:42:41.720 that

00:42:41.880 a

00:42:41.980 lot

00:42:42.080 of

00:42:42.160 guys

00:42:42.340 are

00:42:42.460 dealing

00:42:42.640 with

00:42:42.820 and

00:42:42.920 that's

00:42:43.160 low

00:42:43.340 testosterone

00:42:43.920 you need

00:42:44.880 to

00:42:45.020 check

00:42:45.220 out

00:42:45.420 Chalk

00:42:45.740 C-H-O-Q 1.00

00:42:46.520 dot

00:42:46.820 com

00:42:47.180 they

00:42:48.080 can

00:42:48.340 help

00:42:48.720 you

00:42:48.900 get

00:42:49.160 your

00:42:49.360 edge

00:42:49.620 back

00:42:49.960 if

00:42:50.160 you

00:42:50.320 feel

00:42:50.540 like

00:42:50.740 you've

00:42:50.920 got

00:42:51.100 weakness

00:42:51.540 and

00:42:51.860 you're

00:42:51.980 just

00:42:52.120 kind

00:42:52.280 of

00:42:52.380 sitting

00:42:52.620 around

00:42:53.100 and

00:42:53.660 you've

00:42:53.880 just

00:42:54.060 lost

00:42:54.440 some

00:42:54.580 of

00:42:54.680 that

00:42:54.740 edge

00:42:54.980 that

00:42:55.380 is

00:42:55.560 where

00:42:55.720 Chalk

00:42:56.040 comes

00:42:56.340 in

00:42:56.520 now

00:42:56.700 Chalk

00:42:57.260 is

00:42:58.180 here

00:43:09.940 it

00:43:10.100 works

00:43:10.400 if

00:43:11.080 you

00:43:11.220 feel

00:43:11.460 like

00:43:11.680 you've

00:43:11.840 got

00:43:11.980 fatigue

00:43:12.400 after

00:43:12.780 workouts

00:43:13.360 or

00:43:13.540 you

00:43:13.660 just

00:43:13.880 don't

00:43:14.040 feel

00:43:14.200 like

00:43:14.340 you

00:43:14.440 can

00:43:14.600 work

00:43:14.860 out

00:43:15.000 the

00:43:15.120 way

00:43:15.240 you

00:43:15.360 used

00:43:15.500 to

00:43:15.640 check

00:43:16.400 out

00:43:16.680 Chalk

00:43:17.180 C-H-O-Q 1.00

00:43:18.620 dot

00:43:18.980 com

00:43:19.360 go

00:43:20.040 there

00:43:20.280 use

00:43:20.500 the

00:43:20.660 promo

00:43:20.940 code

00:43:21.300 Ben

00:43:21.660 you're

00:43:21.840 going

00:43:21.920 to

00:43:21.960 get

00:43:22.100 35%

00:43:23.280 off

00:43:23.500 any

00:43:23.860 Chalk

00:43:24.140 subscription

00:43:24.640 for

00:43:25.620 life

00:43:26.300 so

00:43:26.940 check

00:43:27.640 them

00:43:27.820 out

00:43:28.040 C-H-O-Q 1.00

00:43:28.960 dot

00:43:29.760 com

00:43:30.460 promo

00:43:31.120 code

00:43:31.480 Ben

00:43:31.720 35%

00:43:32.780 off

00:43:32.940 any

00:43:33.120 Chalk

00:43:33.560 subscription

00:43:34.040 for

00:43:34.340 life

00:43:34.660 C-H-O-Q 1.00

00:43:35.940 dot

00:43:36.220 com

00:43:36.480 total

00:43:37.560 political

00:43:38.080 question

00:43:38.600 to end

00:43:38.860 this

00:43:39.060 on

00:43:39.280 every

00:43:41.040 time

00:43:41.480 that

00:43:41.680 Donald

00:43:41.940 Trump

00:43:42.280 gets

00:43:42.540 indicted

00:43:42.960 he said

00:43:43.480 in his

00:43:43.760 video

00:43:44.120 his

00:43:45.720 poll

00:43:46.140 numbers

00:43:46.580 go

00:43:46.880 up

00:43:47.380 it

00:43:48.980 seems

00:43:49.580 that

00:43:49.760 the

00:43:49.900 country

00:43:50.440 at least

00:43:50.840 conservative

00:43:51.380 voters

00:43:51.680 are

00:43:51.920 rallying

00:43:52.460 behind

00:43:52.900 him

00:43:53.320 when

00:43:53.520 these

00:43:53.780 things

00:43:54.080 happen

00:43:54.460 the

00:43:55.060 more

00:43:55.360 they

00:43:55.560 keep

00:43:55.820 coming

00:43:56.140 after

00:43:56.480 them

00:43:56.680 is

00:43:56.820 it

00:43:56.960 almost

00:43:57.660 helping

00:43:57.920 solidify

00:43:58.740 his

00:43:59.520 ability

00:43:59.940 to get

00:44:00.240 the

00:44:00.400 nomination

00:44:00.880 that's

00:44:01.220 totally

00:44:01.460 different

00:44:01.740 in

00:44:01.900 general

00:44:02.080 election

00:44:02.360 you've

00:44:02.640 run

00:44:02.760 for

00:44:02.920 president

00:44:03.200 you know

00:44:03.640 this

00:44:03.940 but

00:44:04.520 in

00:44:04.640 a

00:44:04.800 primary

00:44:05.380 it

00:44:06.160 seems

00:44:06.500 like

00:44:06.720 when

00:44:06.840 they

00:44:06.960 do

00:44:07.080 this

00:44:07.220 he

00:44:07.320 raised

00:44:07.560 more

00:44:07.780 money

00:44:08.080 and

00:44:09.000 more

00:44:09.460 people

00:44:09.880 are

00:44:10.120 like

00:44:10.400 all right

00:44:10.700 you know

00:44:11.020 what

00:44:11.320 screw

00:44:11.980 it 0.87

00:44:12.260 the

00:44:12.640 system's

00:44:13.040 rigged

00:44:13.360 and I'm

00:44:13.620 going to

00:44:13.780 stand by

00:44:14.240 someone

00:44:14.520 that's

00:44:14.720 being

00:44:14.880 persecuted

00:44:15.480 by the

00:44:16.420 Democratic

00:44:16.780 Party

00:44:17.240 by the

00:44:17.960 DOJ

00:44:18.400 and this

00:44:19.180 administration

00:44:19.700 of Joe

00:44:20.080 Biden

00:44:20.380 look

00:44:22.040 that's

00:44:22.360 clearly

00:44:22.620 playing

00:44:23.000 out

00:44:23.360 when

00:44:24.440 Alvin

00:44:24.820 Bragg

00:44:25.300 brought

00:44:25.700 his

00:44:26.040 indictment

00:44:26.720 I

00:44:27.640 said

00:44:27.940 on this

00:44:28.240 podcast

00:44:28.640 this

00:44:29.460 will be

00:44:29.700 worth

00:44:29.940 10

00:44:30.260 points

00:44:30.580 in the

00:44:30.780 polls

00:44:33.640 right

00:44:33.980 and

00:44:34.100 within

00:44:34.240 a

00:44:34.400 week

00:44:34.560 he

00:44:34.660 was

00:44:34.780 up

00:44:34.960 10

00:44:35.180 in

00:44:38.280 this

00:44:38.520 instance

00:44:38.940 this

00:44:39.240 latest

00:44:39.620 indictment

00:44:40.260 I

00:44:40.440 think

00:44:40.640 it

00:44:40.820 probably

00:44:41.480 will

00:44:41.740 prove

00:44:42.120 good

00:44:42.460 for

00:44:42.720 Trump

00:44:43.000 in

00:44:43.140 the

00:44:43.280 polls

00:44:43.680 particularly

00:44:44.380 in

00:44:44.540 the

00:44:44.640 primary

00:44:44.980 I

00:44:45.560 don't

00:44:46.600 know

00:44:46.760 in

00:44:46.860 the

00:44:46.960 general

00:44:47.280 Democrats

00:44:47.900 are

00:44:48.280 hoping

00:44:48.660 this

00:44:48.940 will

00:44:49.140 hurt

00:44:49.400 Trump

00:44:49.680 in

00:44:49.820 the

00:44:49.920 general

00:44:50.160 and

00:44:50.300 it

00:44:50.380 might

00:44:50.640 I

00:44:52.080 think

00:44:52.640 the

00:44:52.820 data

00:44:53.060 are

00:44:53.240 unclear

00:44:53.540 right

00:44:53.860 now

00:44:54.120 in

00:44:54.260 terms

00:44:54.520 of

00:44:54.640 how

00:44:54.860 it

00:44:54.980 would

00:44:55.100 impact

00:44:55.480 him

00:44:55.660 in

00:44:55.760 the

00:44:55.880 general

00:44:56.160 but

00:44:56.320 in

00:44:56.440 the

00:44:56.560 primary

00:44:57.040 look

00:44:58.440 if

00:44:58.680 you're

00:44:59.120 a

00:44:59.600 Republican

00:45:00.120 whether

00:45:01.640 you

00:45:01.840 like

00:45:02.100 Trump

00:45:02.380 or

00:45:02.520 don't

00:45:02.740 like

00:45:02.960 Trump

00:45:03.260 you

00:45:04.900 look

00:45:05.160 at

00:45:05.320 this

00:45:05.580 and

00:45:05.720 this

00:45:05.900 is

00:45:06.040 such

00:45:06.260 obvious 1.00

00:45:06.700 garbage 1.00

00:45:07.180 it's 1.00

00:45:07.580 such

00:45:07.920 a

00:45:08.460 double

00:45:08.820 standard

00:45:09.420 you

00:45:10.540 see

00:45:10.920 virtually

00:45:12.340 all of

00:45:12.800 Trump's

00:45:13.120 opponents

00:45:13.460 in

00:45:13.620 the

00:45:13.720 primary

00:45:14.140 being

00:45:14.560 forced

00:45:14.920 to

00:45:15.060 go

00:45:15.160 defend

00:45:15.460 him

00:45:15.640 because

00:45:16.980 it's

00:45:17.480 such

00:45:17.700 an

00:45:17.840 obvious

00:45:18.140 double

00:45:18.440 standard

00:45:18.840 that

00:45:19.120 you

00:45:19.280 can't

00:45:20.380 you

00:45:21.100 can't

00:45:21.720 credibly

00:45:22.080 say

00:45:22.320 anything

00:45:22.600 else

00:45:22.940 look

00:45:23.340 they

00:45:23.660 don't

00:45:24.040 like

00:45:24.420 defending

00:45:24.980 Trump

00:45:25.340 his

00:45:25.580 opponents

00:45:26.140 don't

00:45:26.680 like

00:45:26.860 it

00:45:26.980 pisses 0.54

00:45:27.980 them 0.99

00:45:28.180 off

00:45:28.480 that

00:45:28.640 they

00:45:28.780 have

00:45:28.980 to

00:45:29.080 go

00:45:29.220 out

00:45:29.380 on

00:45:29.560 TV

00:45:29.820 and

00:45:30.060 defend

00:45:30.380 him

00:45:30.620 but

00:45:32.140 that

00:45:32.660 dynamic

00:45:33.320 and

00:45:33.720 and

00:45:34.020 listen

00:45:34.300 at least

00:45:34.720 with

00:45:34.960 Bragg

00:45:35.500 more than

00:45:36.340 a few

00:45:36.660 observers

00:45:37.180 have

00:45:37.440 suggested

00:45:37.980 that

00:45:38.240 was

00:45:38.420 one

00:45:38.620 of

00:45:38.720 the

00:45:38.840 reasons

00:45:39.340 Bragg

00:45:39.940 brought

00:45:40.900 the

00:45:41.120 indictment

00:45:41.760 was that

00:45:42.580 he

00:45:42.760 wants

00:45:43.180 Trump

00:45:43.440 to be

00:45:43.700 the

00:45:43.860 nominee

00:45:44.180 the

00:45:44.420 Democrats

00:45:44.960 believe

00:45:45.580 Trump

00:45:46.180 cannot

00:45:46.560 win

00:45:46.840 the

00:45:46.980 general

00:45:47.320 and

00:45:48.300 so

00:45:48.460 they're

00:45:48.660 quite

00:45:48.920 open

00:45:49.180 about

00:45:49.420 their

00:45:49.620 strategy

00:45:50.040 do

00:45:50.260 everything

00:45:50.560 they

00:45:50.820 can

00:45:51.300 to

00:45:52.100 give him

00:45:56.140 can't

00:45:56.280 tie

00:45:56.480 his

00:45:56.680 shoes

00:45:56.980 who

00:45:57.180 will

00:45:57.320 lock

00:45:57.560 in

00:45:57.660 the

00:45:57.760 basement

00:45:58.080 and

00:45:58.480 will

00:45:58.740 never

00:45:58.940 let

00:45:59.180 speak

00:45:59.560 but

00:46:00.080 will

00:46:00.220 run

00:46:00.400 a

00:46:00.500 whole

00:46:00.660 campaign

00:46:01.000 on

00:46:01.220 how

00:46:01.360 much

00:46:01.540 we

00:46:01.660 hate 0.60

00:46:01.800 Donald 0.95

00:46:02.040 Trump

00:46:02.300 and

00:46:03.200 so

00:46:03.640 that

00:46:04.740 dynamic

00:46:05.360 I

00:46:06.740 suspect

00:46:07.200 it

00:46:07.440 will

00:46:07.560 continue

00:46:07.880 to

00:46:08.060 play

00:46:08.240 out

00:46:08.440 this

00:46:08.700 way

00:46:08.940 I

00:46:09.340 don't

00:46:09.520 think

00:46:09.760 you'll

00:46:10.000 see

00:46:10.240 the

00:46:10.440 same

00:46:10.740 bump

00:46:11.060 from

00:46:11.260 this

00:46:11.500 indictment

00:46:11.960 that

00:46:12.140 you

00:46:12.280 saw

00:46:12.520 from

00:46:12.720 the

00:46:12.860 Alvin

00:46:13.100 Bragg

00:46:13.420 indictment

00:46:14.000 mostly

00:46:14.740 because

00:46:15.040 I

00:46:15.260 think

00:46:15.540 that

00:46:15.860 it

00:46:16.240 just

00:46:16.480 solidifies

00:46:17.180 the

00:46:17.380 base

00:46:17.560 it

00:46:17.700 doesn't

00:46:17.920 expand

00:46:18.360 it

00:46:18.500 yeah

00:46:18.720 I

00:46:18.960 think

00:46:19.140 that

00:46:19.340 distance

00:46:19.700 has

00:46:19.880 already

00:46:20.080 been

00:46:20.260 traveled

00:46:20.640 that

00:46:20.840 the

00:46:21.000 people

00:46:21.380 who

00:46:21.720 popped

00:46:22.700 up

00:46:22.940 because

00:46:23.200 of

00:46:23.340 the

00:46:23.440 brag

00:46:23.740 thing

00:46:24.160 they're

00:46:24.740 still

00:46:24.920 there

00:46:25.160 they're

00:46:25.420 still

00:46:25.660 there

00:46:26.020 but

00:46:27.160 I

00:46:27.380 think

00:46:27.600 as

00:46:27.900 a

00:46:28.060 short

00:46:28.500 term

00:46:28.860 political

00:46:29.380 matter

00:46:29.760 for

00:46:29.980 Trump

00:46:30.280 is 0.96

00:46:30.460 a

00:46:30.560 good

00:46:30.720 development

00:46:31.240 longer

00:46:32.120 term

00:46:32.720 that's

00:46:33.220 that's

00:46:33.520 murkier 0.54

00:46:33.900 to

00:46:34.040 figure

00:46:34.200 out

00:46:34.460 it's

00:46:34.740 going

00:46:34.840 to

00:46:34.880 be

00:46:34.980 interesting

00:46:35.260 thank

00:46:35.540 you

00:46:35.640 for

00:46:35.760 answering

00:46:36.020 all

00:46:36.160 these

00:46:36.300 questions

00:46:36.660 I

00:46:36.840 know

00:46:36.960 so

00:46:37.220 many

00:46:37.420 of

00:46:37.520 you

00:46:37.600 had

00:46:37.820 questions

00:46:38.220 we're

00:46:38.860 going

00:46:38.940 to

00:46:39.040 keep

00:46:39.240 answering

00:46:39.640 them

00:46:39.840 don't

00:46:40.220 forget

00:46:40.480 hit

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00:46:48.480 there

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00:46:48.920 you'll

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00:46:50.920 there's

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00:46:52.000 a lot

00:46:52.340 of

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00:46:53.040 after

00:46:54.080 midnight

00:46:54.480 lately

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00:46:56.160 breaking

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00:46:56.780 so

00:46:56.980 make

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00:47:06.640 here

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00:47:07.040 a

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - June 12, 2023

Deep Dive into the Trump Indictment： the Charges, the Hypocrisy & Next Steps

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