Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 09, 2026


GOP Convention in Texas, plus Talarico Called for “Dismantling” Prisons & Argued All Religions are Equally True


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00:01:04.840 Welcome. It is Vertical Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
00:01:08.560 It's so nice to have you with us.
00:01:10.020 And Senator, I tell you what, it's convention week.
00:01:13.360 This is the first time in history you and I, I'm already in Dallas.
00:01:16.780 You're about to be on your way.
00:01:18.760 And it is going to be very interesting.
00:01:21.220 A midterm convention.
00:01:22.860 I got here.
00:01:23.740 A lot of people are actually really excited.
00:01:26.360 Well, there's never been one before.
00:01:27.640 this was President Trump's idea. I think it's a terrific idea. It's a good chance to make the
00:01:32.240 case to the voters. We're 56 days out from Election Day, and this is the most consequential
00:01:38.460 midterm election, I think, of our lifetimes. And this convention, we're going to have two days,
00:01:43.800 Wednesday and Thursday, of speakers that are going to lay out the stakes of this election,
00:01:49.200 both the policy victories that we've had as Republicans in the last two years.
00:01:54.160 I believe under President Trump and a Republican House and Senate we have had more conservative
00:01:59.160 victories in the last two years than any period since you and I have been alive and I think
00:02:04.320 look if you're terminally online if you just listen to Twitter all day long you think nothing
00:02:08.840 has happened there have been no victories well I hope this convention lays out the case because
00:02:12.900 we've accomplished an enormous amount including securing the border passing the biggest tax cut
00:02:17.080 in history rebuilding the military passing the biggest school choice program in history passing
00:02:21.600 in the Trump accounts. These are huge victories, and winning in the midterms is how we continue
00:02:28.740 to get more and more victories for the American people. But secondly, every election is about a
00:02:34.740 choice. It's about, number one, the path if our side prevails, but it's number two, the path if
00:02:41.060 the Democrats prevail. And in an ordinary cycle, the Democrats prevailing is not good for the
00:02:46.300 country. Their policies, I think, are harmful. I think most listeners of verdict agree to that.
00:02:52.460 But now, especially with the radicalism that is in the Democrat Party, with the Green-Red
00:02:58.660 Alliance as the Islamists and the Marxists are coming together and are in the midst of what is
00:03:03.700 essentially a hostile takeover of the Democrat Party, their winning in the midterms is all the 0.65
00:03:10.480 more consequential, and I hope that this convention makes that case plain for everyone watching,
00:03:16.640 and I hope everyone does watch. Yeah, it's going to be really interesting. We're going to break
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00:04:25.120 energy here is real i was flying in people were excited on the plane they were coming in for
00:04:30.220 this midterm convention i went over did some tv in the convention hall uh you could feel the buzz
00:04:35.780 already it does have the feel and the look of a presidential uh election year convention you and
00:04:42.280 i've been to countless conventions this is i think going to be virtually no different if you're in
00:04:47.960 the room but the important part is the president has to make the case and so do the other speakers
00:04:54.360 You're speaking on Thursday, for example, that this election is a compare and contrast of the Democratic Socialists of America, what the Democratic Party has become, higher taxes, taking away your right to do what you want to do, and freedom in private sector and business and oil and gas, and what the Democrats want to do, which is a 180 from that.
00:05:16.680 This case, though, Senator, has to be sold, I think, very well to the American people for it to be effective.
00:05:22.220 Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right. And I hope the president does a very, very focused speech laying out the consequences of each potential outcome of this election, focusing on the policy victories that we've had together and also focused on the threat from the Democrats because the threat is real.
00:05:41.240 It is extreme. That's certainly what my remarks are going to focus on. And as you said, I'm addressing the convention Thursday, right about five o'clock Texas time, about six o'clock East Coast time.
00:05:52.520 And I'm going to focus on the fundamental choice that is before Americans.
00:05:56.620 I will say there's one aspect in which this is different from a typical convention every four years, which is conventions usually move public opinion and they move it significantly because the networks all devote prime time, several hours to the convention for typically several nights during each convention.
00:06:17.820 And that has an effect. That's a lot of coverage. It is not clear how much coverage this midterm convention is going to get. I'm certain Fox News is going to cover it. I'm certain Newsmax is going to cover it. But I think there's a very good chance that CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS give it really scant coverage.
00:06:37.440 I hope they don't, and I don't want to be too cynical, but I think they don't want the voters to vote for Republicans.
00:06:48.360 They don't want a Republican Senate.
00:06:49.760 They don't want a Republican House.
00:06:51.140 They want Donald Trump to have a loss, and I think that by denying the airwaves, that will be one way that they can advance it.
00:06:58.520 I hope I'm wrong, and we will find out today and tomorrow.
00:07:03.760 But but I will say if that's the case, then it is particularly incumbent on all of us to share the content, particularly the good and worthwhile content from the conference, because if it's look, even if it's just on on Fox and Newsmax, one of the big things we need to do is just turn out Republicans right now.
00:07:22.180 Yeah. Republicans, I think, are in many respects disunited and conservatives are unhappy about some things. Moderates are unhappy about other things. And there's time for squabbling. There's time for primaries. There's time for disagreements. This is not that time. We are in the crunch and we need everyone to be united.
00:07:42.500 So just talking to Republicans and to right-leading independents is valuable, but it's also valuable if the networks do effectively a boycott on communication.
00:07:53.060 Then I think using social media, sharing key excerpts with other folks is going to be really important.
00:08:01.800 It is, and you mentioned the networks.
00:08:04.160 It's very funny because I was in there today doing TV, and I noticed that from a convention standpoint, the Fox News stage and Newsmax seemed very large.
00:08:14.600 You did see that CNN had a decent-sized suite that they looked like they had all their equipment.
00:08:19.440 But the network seemed smaller than usual to me, at least.
00:08:23.460 And I think that goes back to what you're saying.
00:08:25.680 they do the last thing they want to do is give the president prime time uh air time to go out
00:08:32.260 there and remind the american people what he's done and let's go through that list if i'm
00:08:36.720 looking at a a come out of this midterm convention with an a plus it's got to go back to the it's 0.73
00:08:43.960 the economy stupid right it's the famous line in politics but it's so very true and that is i think 0.53
00:08:50.360 the president has to remind people of what your taxes would look like if democrats had their way 0.95
00:08:55.320 They vote against the largest tax cut in my lifetime.
00:08:59.320 They vote against the big, beautiful bill.
00:09:01.040 They vote against no tax on tip, no tax on overtime.
00:09:04.400 That is what this has got to get down to is, hey, we understand, by the way, the pain at the pump right now.
00:09:10.420 We are going to get that down.
00:09:12.200 We understand that that's a frustration.
00:09:14.220 However, let us remind you what you do have because of the Trump administration
00:09:19.420 and because the conservatives in Congress, just like you, Senator, that to me is the ballgame.
00:09:25.320 well and by the way i was with your old pals at cnn tuesday night and and on caitlin collins's show
00:09:33.440 and number one i asked caitlin are you going to dallas for the convention she said no
00:09:37.700 and and that kind of underscores the the point i was saying that i think we're going to see
00:09:42.200 everything other than fox and newsmax giving very limited coverage to what happens in dallas
00:09:47.060 but but i will say also that she was pressing me like crazy on gas prices she clearly had
00:09:53.680 talking points that gas prices are too high and i pointed out well look they they are higher this
00:09:58.820 year than last year but in both instances they're much much lower than they were under joe biden
00:10:03.900 you know now they're just a little over four bucks a gallon a year ago they were three bucks a gallon
00:10:08.140 under biden they were over five bucks a gallon in california they were six and seven dollars a
00:10:12.740 gallon and boy she didn't want to hear that she's like no no no but they're higher than they were
00:10:17.240 last year under trump i'm like in both instances they're much lower than they are under democrats
00:10:21.800 If you don't like high gas prices, don't vote for the Democrats because they want high gas prices.
00:10:27.340 And, boy, that was not a message CNN wanted to carry.
00:10:30.500 Yeah, and that's part of, I think, why the speeches are going to be important, especially for turning out conservative voters.
00:10:38.180 The biggest thing that I worry about, and if you go back, I jokingly say take politics out of it, just look at history.
00:10:45.620 usually the party that's not in power in the white house in the midterms has usually a big
00:10:52.180 midterm because there's checks and balances our founding fathers put that way we see these ebbs
00:10:56.180 and flows rarely do you see republicans if they're in office get get ad seats you look at after 9 11
00:11:04.700 that did happen with george bush in my lifetime for example but traditionally that's not wrong
00:11:09.000 so you look at this and i say to conservatives and i think that's the message that trump has
00:11:15.460 to hit home is if you want the america first agenda and you voted for it well you voted for
00:11:22.440 it for four years with me you've got one more vote to get those full four years you're going
00:11:27.500 to get two years but but we're almost at the end of that and we're going to need you to give us
00:11:31.900 another two years of that agenda you can't stay home because if you do the democrats will stop
00:11:38.100 everything you voted for two years ago well and and the trump legislative agenda we've had big
00:11:46.480 victories economically the biggest tax cut in history as you mentioned no tax on tips no tax
00:11:50.980 on social security no tax on overtime uh we also on law and order law and order i think should be
00:11:59.140 a big theme of of of the convention that securing the border illegal border crossings dropping 20
00:12:05.820 percent the murder rate dropping to 99 rather illegal border crossings dropping 99 percent
00:12:11.060 the murder rate dropping 20 percent the number of deaths from drug overdoses dropping 20 percent
00:12:18.700 that that's a real record of success that i hope we lay out in detail because there are literally
00:12:24.660 thousands of americans who are alive today because we secured the border and we've been
00:12:30.380 deporting gangbangers and criminals. And that has made our families safer. That's made our kids
00:12:36.700 safer. That record of success we should talk about. I hope that we do. But I think every bit as
00:12:42.520 important is laying out the peril. Look, it is no longer just sort of an ordinary, plain-jane
00:12:52.200 Democrat agenda. If you look at the Marxist and the Islamist who are winning from Mondami, 0.67
00:13:00.380 to the DSA candidates in Manhattan, three of them that beat established Democrats, to 0.55
00:13:05.040 Abdul Al-Sayed in Michigan, to Colorado, to Florida, to Oklahoma. That is where the energy
00:13:14.880 and passion of the Democrat Party is. And not every Democrat in the House and Senate
00:13:19.500 is a communist or an Islamist, but every one of them is terrified of the communist and Islamist
00:13:26.980 because every one of them is looking over their left shoulder afraid of being primaried. 0.56
00:13:31.940 And so that threat, you know, communism is not something abstract or theoretical.
00:13:36.740 It is something very real, and I hope that this convention makes that clear.
00:13:41.120 I'm certainly going to make it clear on Thursday.
00:13:43.840 So let's talk about – you've been on this book tour, and if you haven't grabbed the book,
00:13:49.400 it's a number one New York Times bestseller.
00:13:52.060 You're the author of it.
00:13:53.060 It's a biography you did on Clarence Thomas.
00:13:55.140 It is an incredible book.
00:13:56.620 You can grab it now wherever you get your books.
00:13:58.620 But you've done a lot of media, and I would say adversarial media.
00:14:03.040 One of the things that I have noticed, and when I go on CNN and some of the liberal shows,
00:14:08.480 I was on Piers Morgan yesterday.
00:14:09.760 It was one of those classic fights with a bunch of liberals.
00:14:12.460 I've noticed their messaging right now is not exactly the strongest.
00:14:17.140 Like, they're not yelling orange man bad.
00:14:19.520 What they are saying is, well, we're not communist, socialist, Marxist per se.
00:14:26.620 And we're more in the middle.
00:14:28.880 They're spending a lot of time having to, I guess, defend what they are now.
00:14:34.440 And a lot of people, I think, are having a hard time figuring out what that is.
00:14:37.580 Because one moment you've got guys that are out there saying that they think capitalism is a disease and we should destroy it.
00:14:43.260 And the next one's like, oh, I didn't really mean that, referring to, you know, Mandani and then some of these other guys, Al-Said, that are out there.
00:14:50.120 It is making me laugh that their policy right now is let's try not to be as extreme as we really are and dial it down.
00:14:58.900 That's a weird strategy going into a midterm as well.
00:15:02.820 Well, that's right, and part of it is because their nominees are really radical.
00:15:07.920 They're radical and scary, and so the Democrat spinmasters are trying to do everything they can to cover up from their record, and the media is too.
00:15:15.700 I want you to listen to this exchange I had Tuesday night with Caitlin Collins talking
00:15:20.760 about James Tallarico, and Tallarico tries very hard to come across as a nice guy, as
00:15:29.660 affable, as not scary, and yet his record, I got to say, more and more keeps breaking
00:15:34.640 about how extreme his record is.
00:15:37.440 We covered in the podcast last week how Tallarico was caught several years ago on a Zoom call
00:15:45.280 with Sierra Club left-wing activists
00:15:47.640 saying that he wanted to dismantle communism,
00:15:50.900 or sorry, dismantle capitalism, rather.
00:15:53.580 And, you know, that's problematic
00:15:56.280 for the message that he's a moderate.
00:15:57.980 Well, listen to this back and forth with Caitlin Collins 1.00
00:15:59.920 because, boy, she was in damage control,
00:16:02.780 basically trying to help Tallarica as much as she could.
00:16:06.960 Who will Republicans have to blame 0.97
00:16:08.920 if Republicans lose Texas?
00:16:11.120 Oh, listen, we have a real race in Texas,
00:16:13.520 But, you know, we have a real race in most states across the country.
00:16:16.320 It's a midterm.
00:16:17.300 But Texas is Texas.
00:16:18.640 I am fully aware of this.
00:16:20.820 But you know what? 0.90
00:16:21.420 Texas, like other states, we've got a bunch of liberals in Texas.
00:16:23.920 Now, we have more conservatives and more common-sense Texans than we have liberals.
00:16:28.420 But the liberals are really ticked off, and they're energized.
00:16:31.320 And I'll tell you, if you look at this race, James Tallarico, I think, is a dangerous candidate.
00:16:35.720 I think substantively he is radical and extreme. 0.99
00:16:39.280 But he's very good at seeming charming.
00:16:41.460 He's very good at seeming innocuous.
00:16:43.520 Personally, I prefer my wolves in wolves' clothing, not in sheep's clothing.
00:16:48.620 Here's why I think Ken Paxton's going to win.
00:16:51.200 Because Tallarico's record is fundamentally out of step with where the people of Texas are.
00:16:56.500 When James Tallarico says God is non-binary, when he says there are six different genders,
00:17:01.480 when he says we should have a welcome mat on our southern border, those are not the values of Texans.
00:17:07.220 When he says we want to end oil and gas.
00:17:09.080 Does Ken Paxton have the value of Texans?
00:17:11.140 Ken Paxton is fighting for...
00:17:12.440 He had a lot of trouble on his own camp by his own aides who worked for him, who turned him into the FBI, basically.
00:17:17.880 Ken Paxton is fighting for policies that most Texans agree with.
00:17:20.680 Low taxes, low regulations, lots of jobs, securing the border, supporting law enforcement.
00:17:26.440 Those are the policies that Texans agree with.
00:17:29.100 And at the end of the day, this race is not about whether you personally like one candidate or the other.
00:17:34.920 This race is about, in Texas, what policies are good for 32 million Texans?
00:17:39.720 And the policies of James Tallarico, look, Comrade Mondami knows exactly who Tallarico is
00:17:46.540 when he says he wants to dismantle capitalism.
00:17:49.280 So does Abdul Al-Sayed.
00:17:51.180 He is a fellow traveler with the DSA radicals in the Democrat Party.
00:17:56.420 Look, James Tallarico is someone who ran a vegan campaign because he believes meat is destroying the world.
00:18:03.860 Now, that would be a great campaign in Berkeley, California, but it's not Texas.
00:18:07.940 He's not a democratic socialist, but you say that. Tell me. Tell me then. What is it? What is dismantling capitalism mean?
00:18:14.940 But these are his own words. Yeah, I know. CNN uncovered those words, actually.
00:18:19.800 But now you're trying to help him back away from him because he's recognizing what his campaign has said about it.
00:18:26.100 We've also decided he's running away from his record. That doesn't mean that's not what he believes.
00:18:30.300 I mean, Senator, I love that back and forth there because it goes back to that core dismantling capitalism.
00:18:36.000 it's so funny like yeah cnn found the words and you're absolutely right they're trying to help
00:18:40.420 those words go away at the same time you know it really is funny cnn saying no no no he's not a
00:18:45.820 socialist he's not a socialist i just asked the question well what does it mean to dismantle
00:18:50.160 capitalism and his campaign put out a statement oh never mind the words he said and understand
00:18:55.480 these words he was on a zoom call with all these left-wing radicals they're activists from the
00:19:00.500 sierra club this was just six years ago and he was being very honest what he believes
00:19:04.200 and CNN is trying to whitewash that. But I'll tell you, new news is broken about
00:19:09.840 Tallarico's extreme record. So for example, I talked about law and order and I think law and
00:19:15.480 order should be a major issue on election day. I think Republicans are not putting enough emphasis
00:19:20.640 on it. Tallarico's record on law and order is really frightening. So here's a quote he said in
00:19:26.660 2020. I'm really excited about the formation of a bipartisan criminal justice reform caucus in the
00:19:32.840 Texas House with prominent Democrats and prominent Republicans who understand that we have to move
00:19:37.040 away from a tough on crime approach to a smart on crime approach that I think filters down to our
00:19:43.140 schools. Okay, that could be okay. Let's see what else he's saying. Quote, we are starting in
00:19:51.080 elementary school where we really pursue restorative practices that are going to rehabilitate
00:19:56.060 our students who are suffering from trauma, our students who are feeling unsafe in school, and our
00:20:01.020 students who harm a classroom community. Fox News continues saying, Tallarico was referring to
00:20:08.100 quote, restorative justice, a view that links misbehavior to past personal and emotional
00:20:13.160 experiences. In the word of Texas Appleseed, a group that promotes social, economic, and racial
00:20:18.640 justice, restorative justice in education emphasizes the relational cost of conflict
00:20:25.260 in a way to deter future bad behavior.
00:20:29.100 Restorative justice, when applied to a school setting,
00:20:31.360 focuses on how student behavior has harmed others and how to make amends.
00:20:35.340 Schools use it to build community and strengthen student-school connections,
00:20:39.560 the group wrote in a definition submitted to lawmakers.
00:20:43.140 The approach is often mentioned as an alternative to, quote,
00:20:46.900 zero-tolerance policies that focus on punishments that deter, discourage conduct.
00:20:53.500 To Tallarico, its adoption could de-emphasize other forms of punishments.
00:20:57.920 Quote, what that means is really allowing students to repair the harms that they've caused in a classroom community.
00:21:04.640 It's a lot more rigorous and a lot more effective than just expelling a student or suspending a student or removing them from the classroom community.
00:21:10.760 Now, mind you, what he's saying is that means violent criminals will stay in the classroom with your kids, that they're not going to remove them, they're not going to be suspended, no matter how much violence they're engaging in, no matter how many drugs they're dealing.
00:21:22.540 And in the Texas legislature in 2021, Tallarico introduced a bill, it was HB 62, which would have moved schools away from in-school suspension, so not even suspension out of school, in-school suspension, out of school suspension and removing kids to alternative educational programs.
00:21:41.420 Now, the bill, which was this left-wing bill, stalled in committee, never became law.
00:21:47.160 But in the wake of the Uvalde school shooting, here's what Tallarico said.
00:21:59.020 Quote, if we took just half of what we spent on wars, prisons, and policing, and spent it on education, health care, and jobs,
00:22:08.520 we could make prisons obsolete. This is what he's saying in a 2022 speech for incarcerated
00:22:16.100 students. A little bit later in the speech, Tallarico calls the idea of prisons themselves
00:22:21.840 a kind of violence. And here's what he says, quote, my experience as a teacher, a legislator,
00:22:28.960 and a Christian tells me that birds don't belong in cages, children don't belong in cages,
00:22:37.260 people don't belong in cages poverty is violence pollution is violence and yes prison is violence 0.72
00:22:50.680 quote i'm not asking you to join the system i'm asking you to change the system dismantle
00:23:00.060 this system of violence. Now understand, he says prison is violence, and what he called for
00:23:08.360 explicitly is dismantling this system of violence. In other words, dismantling prisons. This is the
00:23:15.460 abolish the police nonsense. And listen, there's a difference from Tallarico versus my last two
00:23:22.960 opponents, Beto O'Rourke and Colin Allred. Both Beto and Colin are older than Tallarico. Tallarico
00:23:29.840 is younger, and he is of the woke generation, the generation that came up with these idiocies
00:23:35.720 like abolish the police, that came up with Soros DAs that let murderers go. And here he is on the
00:23:42.100 record saying prison is violence. And by the way, he's saying nobody belongs in prison. He's not
00:23:47.700 just saying nonviolent drug offenses. Look, I would not lock kids up for a nonviolent drug
00:23:55.080 offense, particularly a small drug offense. But there's a difference between that and violence.
00:23:58.880 And I've always drawn a clear line, having spent a lot of years in law enforcement.
00:24:03.120 There are people who are murderers.
00:24:05.320 There are people who are mass murderers. 0.86
00:24:06.660 There are people who are rapists. 0.56
00:24:07.700 There are people who commit horrific acts of sexual abuse and physical violence against kids.
00:24:13.240 And you know what? 1.00
00:24:14.800 They belong in a damn cage. 1.00
00:24:16.300 They belong in prison. 1.00
00:24:18.020 And Tallarico is on record saying, no, no, no, don't put them in prison.
00:24:22.020 We need to dismantle.
00:24:23.380 And he likes that word dismantle.
00:24:25.040 Remember, dismantle is also what he wants to do to capitalism.
00:24:27.180 He wants to dismantle prisons.
00:24:28.880 He wants to dismantle capitalism.
00:24:31.380 That is what communists do.
00:24:33.840 And Tallarico pretends he's not.
00:24:35.920 But if you look at what he's calling for, it's the exact same thing the Marxists are calling for.
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00:25:11.860 And I think this goes back to what we mentioned earlier.
00:25:15.520 If you take their own words and if you share them,
00:25:19.300 and this goes back to why Democrats don't want to cover the convention
00:25:22.640 that we mentioned earlier,
00:25:23.960 because these are the types of conversations that are going to be had.
00:25:27.380 And so why would you want that out there?
00:25:29.220 They want you to believe that Tallarico is this pastor-esque kind of guy.
00:25:33.280 They don't want you to believe he's the guy that wants to dismantle capitalism.
00:25:36.720 They don't want you, as we get close to the anniversary of 9-11, for example,
00:25:41.280 to see all the radical things that have been said by El Saeed and Hassan Piker
00:25:45.800 and what they've said about this country.
00:25:50.400 And again, anniversary of 9-11 coming up.
00:25:53.320 That is the last thing they want you to know.
00:25:54.900 But if you look at their words and you look at what they say, like, I go back to that basic point again.
00:26:00.960 When they tell you what they believe, believe them.
00:26:03.860 Hassan Piker said, quote, America deserved 9-11.
00:26:08.220 And look, part of how Tallarico tries to sound innocuous is he styles himself as a pastor.
00:26:15.920 And he went to seminary and he styles himself as a Christian pastor.
00:26:19.020 and and that look look to to a voter is not paying much attention they think well gosh if he's a
00:26:24.480 pastor he can't be that radical he can't be that extreme I want to focus on another story that
00:26:29.540 broke that that that showed I guess in some sense he's a pastor but I just want you to listen to
00:26:34.480 this and again I'm just quoting people's words so Tallarico is a member of St. Andrew's Presbyterian
00:26:41.200 Church in Austin and he's been been a member there since he was two years old for the last 35 years
00:26:46.920 it's led by Reverend Jim Rigby, whom Tallarico calls a mentor. And the Reverend Babs Miller
00:26:55.260 is the, quote, minister to the parish. So what does Pastor Babs Miller say?
00:27:02.760 She said, and I'm quoting, we still have people in this church, and she's talking about
00:27:10.780 when the trump assassination attempt happened in butler pennsylvania we still have people in this
00:27:18.340 church who wish that the young man had not just nicked it he nicked his ear but had been more
00:27:27.260 successful this is a pastor supposed pastor saying members of their church wish that donald trump had
00:27:36.700 been murdered on that field in Butler, Pennsylvania. And you know what? Don't take my word for it. I
00:27:41.380 want you to listen to her in her own words saying this. This is James Tallarico's pastor. Give a
00:27:46.400 listen. If you polled our membership and asked them whether they were Christian, agnostic, or
00:27:54.320 atheist, the vast majority would say agnostic or atheist. Because they don't buy the religion that
00:28:03.760 has been that we invent that we that we got from the puritans we still have people in this church 0.95
00:28:11.740 that wish that that young man had not just nicked his ear but been more successful
00:28:17.160 hearing a pastor quote pastor say it this way and understanding that is who is guiding his life
00:28:27.480 now it all honestly makes sense to me and i want you to listen to the first part of the quote we
00:28:33.240 played there. She says, and I quote, if you polled our members and asked them if they were Christian,
00:28:42.620 agnostic, or atheist, the vast majority would say agnostic or atheist. So you may be wondering,
00:28:51.060 look, how can a Christian be rooting for the president of the United States to be murdered?
00:28:55.500 You and I disagreed with Joe Biden. We disagreed with Barack Obama. We certainly didn't cheer
00:29:00.100 his being murdered that would have been horrific that would have been terrible and and and she's 0.86
00:29:04.960 just matter of fact you know our members wish that he had been shot dead murdered assassinated that
00:29:09.740 day and if you wonder well how could a christian say such a thing in her own words the not just
00:29:17.400 the majority the quote vast majority of the church would say they're agnostic or atheist so they're
00:29:24.520 not saying they're christians and it's unsurprising given the views they're articulating and you might
00:29:31.080 say okay all right so he's the member of this this very very liberal church and it's not even
00:29:36.800 a church at that point if they it's at least not a christian church if they're they're saying we're
00:29:40.840 not christians we're atheists i don't know how you call that a church but you might say okay let's
00:29:47.520 let's give tallarico the benefit of the doubt maybe his pastors are saying they're not christians
00:29:52.840 maybe the people who go to church with him are saying they're not Christians, but Tallarico
00:29:56.640 says he is, so shouldn't we give him the benefit of the doubt? Well, I want you to listen to what
00:30:01.860 Tallarico says about being a Christian. I'm always so thrilled when I get invited
00:30:08.880 to the Diwali Festival. I think I've gone two years in a row now, and also have gotten a chance
00:30:16.660 to speak at some of our local mosques, and I find such wisdom and comfort and inspiration from
00:30:22.440 faith traditions all over the world. And I find that they're all kind of equal pathways to truth.
00:30:29.820 You know, that's how I think, you know, I always think of all of the world's faith traditions as
00:30:33.360 like a circle with, you know, that divine mystery of the universe in the middle. And we all have
00:30:39.060 different names for that mystery, right? Whether it's God or Yahweh or Allah or Nirvana,
00:30:45.880 the great spirit, whatever you call it, this is all, you know, different pathways to the same
00:30:51.680 kind of fundamental truth of reality. So yeah, it's something I, it's how I try to stay grounded
00:31:00.900 and stay rooted. That's how you stay grounded and rooted, that's a faith that I've never heard of
00:31:06.500 before. I guess it's chameleon faith, I don't know. Ben, I'll say, I'm not in the business,
00:31:11.500 I don't make a practice of judging other people's faith. I think faith is a question between you and
00:31:17.140 God. Salvation is a question between you and Jesus. I'm not going to sit here and stand in
00:31:22.240 judgment of people, but I am going to listen to the words they say. And what he is saying,
00:31:27.740 if you say you're a Christian, I'm not going to second guess you on that. But what he's saying
00:31:32.520 there when he says, every religion is an equal pathway to the truth. So that is directly contrary
00:31:41.100 to the Bible, to the Word of God, and in particular, John 14, 6. Here's what Jesus said,
00:31:47.300 quote, Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
00:31:56.420 except through me. Now, there are lots of doctrinal things people can disagree with and
00:32:02.420 all sorts of differences. And I said, I'm not going to be in the business of judging,
00:32:06.100 but when his pastor says the vast majority of people in the church say they're atheists or
00:32:10.820 agnostics. If you tell me you're an atheist or agnostic, you're not a Christian. Being a Christian
00:32:15.760 means you believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior. You have accepted his death on the cross
00:32:20.760 in payment for your sins, and it is through grace, through his sacrifice, that you are saved. That's
00:32:29.020 the essence of being a Christian. You can have all sorts of disagreements about baptism. Do you
00:32:35.440 dunk or dip. You and I are both Southern Baptists. We believe in dunking. But look, as far as I'm
00:32:41.420 concerned, the heart—and by the way, this is not my view. Any pastor who gives their own view,
00:32:47.740 run away. What the Bible says the heart of Christianity is, is believing in Jesus Christ
00:32:54.120 for salvation. And what Tallarico is saying—and by the way, it's the exact same thing.
00:32:59.600 this very left-wing pastor of a megachurch up at Kansas who's running for Senate there.
00:33:06.340 The Democrats are finding these people that call themselves Christians
00:33:09.600 who say you don't actually have to believe in Jesus.
00:33:14.980 Well, if you're standing up saying you don't have to believe in Jesus,
00:33:19.080 that is by definition saying you're not a Christian. 0.54
00:33:21.680 Now, you can be not a Christian, but don't pretend to be a Christian. 0.67
00:33:25.980 And I got to say, you know, I think, to use a different observation from Jesus, you shall 0.70
00:33:35.520 know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
00:33:38.240 I believe these elections, the next 56 days, are all about speaking the truth.
00:33:43.700 Look, what we've laid out about Tallarico, about other candidates, is just quoting their
00:33:48.500 records, saying what they are saying.
00:33:50.900 And that's what CNN, it's what the media desperately doesn't want you to know, is their actual
00:33:55.060 record what they say. They don't want you to know James Tallarico wants to dismantle capitalism
00:33:59.900 and they're going to do everything they can to hide it, but we've got 56 days just to expose
00:34:05.760 the truth. And I think if we do that, we'll have a very good election. Final question for you on
00:34:10.980 this. We've seen that President Donald Trump and his super PAC, they put $10 million into this
00:34:16.980 race against Tallarico. About half of that apparently is going to be to explain what
00:34:22.240 Kim Paxson's in favor of, and the other half's going to be used apparently to explain exactly
00:34:27.220 who Tallarico is. I think that's certainly a step in the right direction. Clearly, the president
00:34:33.180 believed this is a really important race, and that's why this is their first big campaign
00:34:37.520 donation of the season. Yes, I'm glad the president is doing that. I've urged the president
00:34:42.660 to continue investing. I've urged the National Republican Senatorial Committee to invest.
00:34:49.080 This is going to be – I think this is going to be about $200 million between now and Election Day, and Tallarico and the Democrats have unlimited funds.
00:34:57.680 If we can spend enough money to communicate Tallarico's record and Paxton's record, we'll win, but we can't be outspent 5-1 or 10-1.
00:35:06.400 If that happens, we lose.
00:35:08.880 So let's not let that happen.
00:35:10.760 Yeah, I agree with you there.
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