Verdict with Ted Cruz - The Clarence Thomas Political Smear： All the Facts You Need To Know to Understand The Left's Dishonest Attacks

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.

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00:00:05.380 Welcome.

00:00:06.260 It is The Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you,

00:00:09.660 and we are publishing on a Tuesday for a reason.

00:00:13.940 The Democrats have decided that they want to have a conversation in Washington,

00:00:18.800 in Congress, over what they're describing as judicial ethics.

00:00:24.260 The problem is it's nothing more than an assault on the Supreme Court

00:00:28.040 and specifically there is one justice they're really wanting to go after,

00:00:32.920 and that is Justice Clarence Thomas.

00:00:35.500 Senator, you're there in the middle of this.

00:00:38.460 Talk about the Democrats and their game plan for this, quote,

00:00:42.580 judicial ethics conversation.

00:00:45.340 Well, we're witnessing an historic assault on the court,

00:00:48.840 and what the Democrats are doing is launching a frontal attack

00:00:53.460 on the Supreme Court itself on the legitimacy of the court.

00:00:57.340 They're trying to tear down the institution altogether.

00:01:00.740 The reason they are doing that is that the Supreme Court is the one institution

00:01:06.200 that the hard left does not control,

00:01:08.820 and there is right now a majority of justices on the court

00:01:13.240 who are committed to the Constitution, who are constitutionalists,

00:01:17.560 and that drives the left crazy.

00:01:20.120 It is one of the very few checks that remain on out-of-control left-wing assaults

00:01:26.580 on our basic rights, on free speech, on religious liberty, on the Second Amendment,

00:01:29.980 that you have justices on the Supreme Court willing to be faithful to the Constitution

00:01:36.000 and not to leftist political ideology.

00:01:39.340 But the assault is not just directed at the court itself.

00:01:44.460 The assault is very deliberately directed at one justice in particular, Clarence Thomas.

00:01:50.700 You may have noticed in the last several weeks,

00:01:54.500 article after article after article attacking Justice Thomas,

00:01:59.380 accusing him of being unethical, accusing him of being corrupt,

00:02:03.580 accusing him of being bought and paid for.

00:02:05.520 All of this is designed to try to wear Justice Thomas down,

00:02:12.500 and the objective of the left, I believe, is they hope to drive him away from the court.

00:02:19.080 Now, let me be clear.

00:02:20.360 They will not succeed.

00:02:23.960 But if you take a moment to enter the fevered minds of the radical left,

00:02:31.880 they have a hatred for Justice Thomas,

00:02:34.440 that is unique.

00:02:37.280 There are other conservative justices.

00:02:39.680 There have been other conservative justices over the years.

00:02:43.100 But the left has a special loathing for Justice Thomas

00:02:48.200 because he is African American.

00:02:51.700 It is a loathing that is qualitatively different.

00:02:55.100 Their view, the view of the hard left,

00:02:57.140 is that a black man cannot dare to be a conservative.

00:03:02.800 That if you are black, or for that matter, if you are Hispanic,

00:03:06.380 you must be a left-wing ideologue.

00:03:09.880 And if you're not,

00:03:11.980 they have a unique level of rage.

00:03:15.480 And when it comes to Justice Thomas,

00:03:17.460 you look at the dripping contempt

00:03:20.280 that the left has heaped upon him for decades.

00:03:23.560 Justice Antonin Scalia served decades on the court.

00:03:27.600 He was, by almost any measure,

00:03:30.300 every bit as conservative as Clarence Thomas.

00:03:33.720 And yet, the left didn't despise Justice Scalia

00:03:37.720 the way they despised Justice Thomas.

00:03:39.460 My former boss on the Supreme Court,

00:03:42.080 William Hubbs-Rehnquist,

00:03:43.140 was an extraordinary conservative

00:03:44.740 who ushered in fundamental realignments

00:03:50.080 of Supreme Court jurisprudence,

00:03:51.820 bringing them back to the text

00:03:53.540 and the original understanding of the Constitution.

00:03:56.840 Chief Justice Rehnquist's impact on the Supreme Court

00:03:59.680 is monumental and historic,

00:04:02.160 and yet the left does not despise him,

00:04:04.500 even a fraction of what they despised Justice Thomas.

00:04:08.500 And the important thing to understand

00:04:11.460 about this assault on Justice Thomas,

00:04:14.360 this is not a fair-minded inquiry

00:04:17.260 into judicial ethics.

00:04:19.640 The reason we're releasing this pod

00:04:22.220 on Tuesday morning instead of Wednesday morning,

00:04:24.860 we're releasing it one day early,

00:04:27.000 is later today,

00:04:28.580 the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing

00:04:30.840 convened by Democrat Chairman Dick Durbin.

00:04:33.900 It is a hearing that is designed to be a kangaroo court,

00:04:39.000 that is designed to be a circus

00:04:40.720 that has one central objective,

00:04:43.980 attacking, smearing, maligning Justice Thomas.

00:04:48.080 The left wants to vilify him.

00:04:51.860 And here's something important to understand.

00:04:55.040 Supreme Court justices

00:04:56.360 are not able to defend themselves

00:05:00.040 from political attacks.

00:05:01.780 It's important for everyone listening

00:05:03.400 to this podcast to understand

00:05:04.840 what is happening.

00:05:06.340 This is a political attack.

00:05:09.060 It is organized.

00:05:10.800 It is concerted.

00:05:12.160 It is funded.

00:05:13.720 It has left-wing advocacy groups

00:05:15.660 who one day after another after another

00:05:17.420 release breathless exposés

00:05:20.260 of alleged improprieties.

00:05:23.620 Those exposés are then amplified

00:05:25.660 in a deliberate, concerted way

00:05:27.680 through all of their friends

00:05:29.020 in the corrupt corporate media.

00:05:31.240 And then Democrat Senators

00:05:32.720 and Democrat House members

00:05:34.160 jump up and down

00:05:36.360 and demand Justice Thomas' resignation.

00:05:40.380 This is not organic.

00:05:41.560 This is not happening just naturally.

00:05:44.360 This is a political campaign

00:05:46.140 every bit as organized

00:05:47.640 as a campaign

00:05:49.840 for governor, for senator,

00:05:52.160 or for president.

00:05:53.800 And a Supreme Court justice

00:05:55.100 like Justice Thomas

00:05:56.080 is not in a position

00:05:57.000 to defend himself.

00:05:59.160 Justices have none of the equipment

00:06:00.840 to defend themselves

00:06:01.800 from a political smear campaign.

00:06:03.460 They don't typically have

00:06:04.680 the skill set or experience

00:06:06.700 to defend themselves

00:06:07.880 in a political smear campaign.

00:06:10.000 And when the media

00:06:10.860 are active participants

00:06:13.340 in the smear campaign,

00:06:15.000 it is altogether

00:06:16.560 one-sided and imbalanced.

00:06:19.660 Therefore,

00:06:20.820 I think it is incumbent

00:06:22.660 on those of us

00:06:24.680 who are in the political arena

00:06:26.460 to present

00:06:28.420 the other side

00:06:29.840 of the argument,

00:06:30.680 to present

00:06:31.260 the defense

00:06:32.140 to defend

00:06:32.740 Justice Thomas.

00:06:33.840 Let me say,

00:06:34.240 I know Justice Thomas.

00:06:35.780 He is,

00:06:36.580 in my judgment,

00:06:37.620 hands down

00:06:38.220 one of the greatest justices

00:06:39.820 ever to serve

00:06:40.680 on the Supreme Court

00:06:41.420 of the United States.

00:06:42.100 He is a brilliant man.

00:06:43.540 He is a deeply principled man.

00:06:45.660 He is ferociously devoted

00:06:47.960 to the Constitution

00:06:48.760 and the Bill of Rights.

00:06:49.820 He is a careful scholar

00:06:51.480 and he is a man of courage.

00:06:54.400 All of those attributes

00:06:55.560 would lead most people

00:06:58.080 ordinarily to respect,

00:06:59.600 to admire,

00:07:00.320 to revere the man.

00:07:01.280 I will readily admit

00:07:02.240 I revere

00:07:03.160 Justice Clarence Thomas.

00:07:05.280 For the modern left,

00:07:07.340 those attributes

00:07:08.300 are why

00:07:09.560 they despise him.

00:07:12.300 And even more so,

00:07:13.740 take all of that fury

00:07:15.360 and amplify it tenfold

00:07:18.100 because he's an African-American,

00:07:19.980 not just an African-American,

00:07:21.240 an African-American

00:07:22.060 who grew up

00:07:23.100 in abject poverty

00:07:24.360 in Pinpoint, Georgia,

00:07:25.580 who came from nothing,

00:07:27.180 who worked hard,

00:07:27.940 who studied,

00:07:28.540 who achieved,

00:07:29.520 and yet,

00:07:30.220 who does not buy into

00:07:31.900 the leftist narrative

00:07:33.260 that they demand

00:07:35.600 of the African-American community,

00:07:37.160 you accept their rules

00:07:39.500 or they will go after you

00:07:41.320 and demonize you.

00:07:42.760 So this podcast

00:07:43.800 is designed to explain,

00:07:45.420 okay,

00:07:46.240 what are the issues?

00:07:47.380 surrounding the attacks,

00:07:49.080 what's really going on,

00:07:50.520 and I'm going to tell you

00:07:51.820 in one sentence

00:07:52.560 the key thing to understand.

00:07:54.700 The attacks are utterly hypocritical.

00:07:57.740 They are applying

00:07:58.700 a double standard

00:08:00.020 to Justice Thomas

00:08:01.060 that is applied

00:08:01.940 to no other justice.

00:08:04.580 If we want to have

00:08:06.020 an abstract,

00:08:08.340 reasoned discussion

00:08:09.620 about judicial ethics,

00:08:10.720 about what the rules should be,

00:08:12.760 and what the rules are

00:08:13.860 that should apply

00:08:14.520 to every judge

00:08:15.240 or every justice,

00:08:15.900 that's reasonable.

00:08:16.800 That's perfectly appropriate

00:08:17.960 for the Senate Judiciary Committee

00:08:20.160 to do.

00:08:21.200 That will not be

00:08:22.420 what the Democrats do today.

00:08:25.300 Instead,

00:08:26.600 this will be

00:08:27.680 a political attack ad

00:08:29.700 from the moment

00:08:30.420 it gavels in

00:08:31.340 till the end

00:08:32.280 of the hearing,

00:08:32.940 all designed

00:08:33.940 to malign

00:08:34.600 and attack

00:08:35.100 Justice Thomas,

00:08:36.380 and what he is accused of,

00:08:41.200 numerous other justices,

00:08:43.040 including liberal icons

00:08:45.160 that the left reveres,

00:08:47.040 people like Ruth Bader Ginsburg,

00:08:48.560 people like Stephen Breyer,

00:08:49.700 people like Sonia Sotomayor,

00:08:51.840 have done the very same thing,

00:08:54.420 and what the Democrats

00:08:55.540 and the media are doing

00:08:56.520 is they're trying to apply

00:08:57.700 a double standard

00:08:58.540 to apply rules

00:08:59.640 that were not rules

00:09:01.880 only to Justice Thomas,

00:09:04.040 not because his conduct

00:09:06.080 is materially different

00:09:08.560 from the other judges

00:09:09.460 or justices,

00:09:10.260 but rather because

00:09:11.220 they hate and despise him.

00:09:13.040 And so I hope

00:09:14.160 that this podcast

00:09:14.880 gives you some more information

00:09:16.620 to understand

00:09:18.260 just how unfair,

00:09:19.600 just how biased

00:09:20.620 this political smear attack is.

00:09:23.740 Yeah,

00:09:23.840 and it's not just

00:09:24.460 a smear attack,

00:09:25.200 it's also them

00:09:26.120 trying to undermine

00:09:27.080 the stability

00:09:28.400 and how important

00:09:30.820 the Supreme Court is.

00:09:32.240 And I do want to ask you

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00:11:07.380 I want to get back

00:11:08.320 to one other thing

00:11:09.100 before we bring in

00:11:09.960 a special guest

00:11:10.820 and that is,

00:11:12.360 it is clear

00:11:13.180 that the Democratic Party

00:11:14.920 has been trying

00:11:15.700 to undermine

00:11:16.560 the Supreme Court.

00:11:17.960 Once they saw

00:11:18.940 that it was going

00:11:19.520 to be moving

00:11:20.020 to a conservative court,

00:11:21.220 this happened

00:11:21.740 during Trump administration,

00:11:23.560 it was very clear

00:11:24.480 they decided then,

00:11:25.300 all right,

00:11:25.660 let's undermine

00:11:26.820 the court

00:11:27.300 any way we can.

00:11:28.420 We saw them

00:11:29.300 give out home addresses

00:11:30.500 of Supreme Court justices,

00:11:32.520 harass Supreme Court justices,

00:11:34.740 talk about

00:11:35.480 packing a court,

00:11:36.700 expanding the court,

00:11:37.820 and now doing

00:11:39.140 what they're doing

00:11:39.900 today in Washington

00:11:40.900 is another step

00:11:42.000 in just undermining

00:11:43.140 the rule of law.

00:11:44.340 That is exactly right.

00:11:47.540 We also saw

00:11:48.360 the absolute circus

00:11:49.480 of the confirmation hearing

00:11:50.820 for Justice Brett Kavanaugh

00:11:52.480 where the Democrats

00:11:53.360 were perfectly willing

00:11:54.500 to smear Justice Kavanaugh.

00:11:56.760 It followed a pattern

00:11:57.620 they had done

00:11:58.380 previously with Clarence Thomas

00:12:00.080 during his confirmation hearing,

00:12:01.500 again where they went

00:12:03.040 into the gutter

00:12:03.760 with nasty personal smears

00:12:05.620 and that followed

00:12:06.320 a pattern

00:12:06.780 that was originated

00:12:08.080 in 1987

00:12:09.260 with the nomination

00:12:10.300 of Robert Bork

00:12:11.060 and their treatment

00:12:12.120 of Robert Bork

00:12:12.900 was so detestable

00:12:14.660 that it actually

00:12:16.100 formed,

00:12:17.560 coined a new verb

00:12:18.840 to bork a judge

00:12:20.540 or to bork a nominee

00:12:21.620 is to go into the gutter

00:12:23.680 with nasty personal

00:12:25.140 scurrilous attacks.

00:12:27.280 The Democrats

00:12:27.780 with Justice Kavanaugh

00:12:28.800 basically bellowed

00:12:29.940 and accused him

00:12:30.680 of being a rapist

00:12:31.560 and you'll recall

00:12:32.760 how frustrated

00:12:33.460 Justice Kavanaugh became

00:12:34.660 because proving a negative,

00:12:37.320 proving you have not committed

00:12:41.600 whatever ridiculous slurs

00:12:43.640 are lobbed upon you

00:12:44.840 by politicians

00:12:45.680 who are not mired

00:12:46.640 to the facts,

00:12:47.280 who are not looking

00:12:48.160 to evidence

00:12:48.720 is an incredibly

00:12:49.880 difficult challenge.

00:12:51.400 But all of that

00:12:52.800 got worse

00:12:53.540 after the Supreme Court

00:12:55.260 issues the Dobbs opinion

00:12:56.360 and in fact

00:12:56.900 after the Dobbs opinion

00:12:58.000 was leaked.

00:12:59.340 When the Dobbs opinion

00:13:00.180 was leaked,

00:13:00.860 which I believe

00:13:01.500 and we've talked about

00:13:02.200 at length,

00:13:02.700 was done by a left-wing

00:13:03.840 law clerk

00:13:04.320 in order to threaten

00:13:06.120 and intimidate

00:13:06.820 the justices,

00:13:07.960 the result was exactly

00:13:09.440 what the Democrats

00:13:10.120 predicted.

00:13:10.800 It was angry moms

00:13:12.120 of protesters

00:13:12.840 descending upon their homes,

00:13:14.680 threatening their families

00:13:15.880 and it was also

00:13:17.800 not condemned

00:13:20.440 by President Biden,

00:13:21.880 not condemned

00:13:22.480 by the White House

00:13:23.260 when they were asked

00:13:23.860 to condemn it.

00:13:24.420 They refused to do so.

00:13:25.660 It was not prosecuted

00:13:26.680 by Merrick Garland

00:13:27.520 even though it's

00:13:28.060 an explicit

00:13:28.800 federal crime

00:13:30.120 to protest

00:13:30.660 at the home

00:13:31.160 of a judge

00:13:31.660 in order to influence

00:13:32.480 the decision

00:13:33.020 in a case.

00:13:34.460 And the reason

00:13:35.320 that Merrick Garland

00:13:36.380 and Joe Biden

00:13:37.040 and Kamala Harris

00:13:37.820 and Senate Democrats

00:13:38.720 that none of them

00:13:40.100 stood up in defense

00:13:42.200 of the court

00:13:42.780 is sadly

00:13:43.420 they are willing

00:13:44.280 to countenance

00:13:45.260 intimidation,

00:13:47.680 bullying,

00:13:48.000 and ultimately

00:13:49.060 threats of violence.

00:13:50.260 As you know,

00:13:51.180 one deranged lunatic

00:13:52.540 traveled all the way

00:13:54.080 from California

00:13:54.940 to Bethesda, Maryland

00:13:56.080 with a knife,

00:13:58.920 a gun,

00:14:00.000 rope,

00:14:00.380 and equipment

00:14:01.080 in an attempt

00:14:02.400 to murder

00:14:03.260 Justice Kavanaugh

00:14:04.300 and inspired

00:14:05.160 by the angry rhetoric

00:14:06.940 of the left.

00:14:07.640 That's how extreme

00:14:08.480 they've been willing

00:14:09.000 to go.

00:14:09.940 And so their attack

00:14:10.920 on Justice Thomas

00:14:11.880 is meant

00:14:13.860 in their fever dreams

00:14:15.240 to drive Justice Thomas

00:14:16.780 off the court,

00:14:18.220 but even if they fail

00:14:19.520 with their major objective,

00:14:21.080 their second objective

00:14:22.200 is to tear down

00:14:24.140 the legitimacy

00:14:24.840 of the court

00:14:25.600 so that the American people

00:14:27.040 do not respect

00:14:28.640 its decisions.

00:14:29.500 Now, for anyone

00:14:30.380 that cares about our country,

00:14:31.900 about our Constitution,

00:14:33.160 that's not good

00:14:34.260 for the country.

00:14:35.620 And I think

00:14:36.480 part of this

00:14:37.740 concerted attack

00:14:39.480 on the legitimacy

00:14:40.120 of the court

00:14:40.980 is also to try

00:14:42.120 to build political support

00:14:43.960 for their radical plan

00:14:45.680 to pack the Supreme Court,

00:14:47.460 to add

00:14:48.140 instantaneously

00:14:49.660 four new left-wing

00:14:50.720 justices

00:14:51.400 who will vote

00:14:53.160 the way Democrats want.

00:14:55.180 Mind you,

00:14:55.500 they don't care

00:14:55.900 about the law.

00:14:57.540 Ironically,

00:14:58.060 because they don't care

00:14:58.900 about the law,

00:14:59.580 they also don't care

00:15:00.920 about democracy.

00:15:03.280 Many of the policies

00:15:04.620 the left pushes

00:15:05.400 are wildly unpopular.

00:15:08.740 The left embraces

00:15:09.820 unlimited abortion

00:15:10.700 on demand

00:15:11.160 up until the moment

00:15:11.920 of birth

00:15:12.380 with no limitations.

00:15:16.020 Roughly 9%

00:15:16.920 of Americans

00:15:17.440 agree with that.

00:15:18.140 91% don't.

00:15:19.320 So when the people

00:15:20.080 vote,

00:15:20.520 they don't vote

00:15:21.500 for radical

00:15:22.040 left-wing positions.

00:15:23.740 The American people

00:15:24.660 believe in the

00:15:25.420 Second Amendment

00:15:25.920 right to keep

00:15:26.520 and bear arms.

00:15:27.140 They want to be able

00:15:27.680 to protect their families.

00:15:29.400 When the people

00:15:29.920 vote on that,

00:15:31.280 they typically vote

00:15:32.460 to protect those rights.

00:15:35.060 Today's modern Democrats

00:15:36.580 don't want the people

00:15:38.200 to be able to vote

00:15:39.220 on contested

00:15:40.980 political issues.

00:15:41.800 instead,

00:15:43.020 they want

00:15:43.800 unelected judges

00:15:44.920 to decree

00:15:45.820 the extreme

00:15:47.240 left-wing position

00:15:48.260 and to disenfranchise

00:15:49.760 the voters.

00:15:50.880 And so this attempt

00:15:52.060 to delegitimize

00:15:53.720 the court

00:15:54.420 is ultimately

00:15:55.260 an attempt

00:15:55.960 to attack

00:15:57.980 democracy itself.

00:15:59.280 And there's an irony

00:16:00.040 because that's one

00:16:00.860 of the favorite

00:16:01.340 talking points

00:16:02.060 of today's Democrats

00:16:02.920 is they're

00:16:03.940 defending democracy

00:16:05.060 and unfortunately

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00:16:08.080 frequently we see

00:16:10.060 Democrats

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00:16:25.140 an attack on democracy

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00:18:08.920 Senator,

00:18:09.580 this was obviously a show

00:18:11.500 that we had to do early

00:18:12.680 because of what

00:18:14.040 the Democrats are doing.

00:18:15.460 It also gave us

00:18:16.360 an opportunity

00:18:16.940 to bring on

00:18:17.600 a good friend of yours

00:18:18.680 and a very good friend

00:18:19.660 of Clarence Thomas.

00:18:21.060 And I want you

00:18:21.520 to introduce Mark.

00:18:23.060 Well, sure.

00:18:23.900 Our guest today

00:18:24.840 is Mark Paoletta.

00:18:26.080 Now, Mark is a very

00:18:27.640 experienced lawyer

00:18:28.680 in Washington.

00:18:29.460 He is someone

00:18:30.260 who has been close friends

00:18:31.800 with Justice Thomas

00:18:32.920 for 30 years.

00:18:34.780 Mark worked

00:18:35.900 with Justice Thomas

00:18:37.000 when he was

00:18:38.320 a young lawyer

00:18:39.020 in the White House

00:18:40.060 Counsel's Office

00:18:40.920 under George Herbert

00:18:42.160 Walker Bush,

00:18:43.000 Bush 41,

00:18:44.420 when Bush 41

00:18:46.340 nominated Clarence Thomas

00:18:47.860 to the Supreme Court.

00:18:48.960 And so Mark

00:18:49.640 worked on

00:18:50.940 Justice Thomas'

00:18:51.800 confirmation

00:18:52.240 in 1991.

00:18:55.040 Recently,

00:18:55.860 he has co-edited

00:18:56.840 a book

00:18:57.280 on Justice Thomas

00:18:58.220 entitled

00:18:59.000 Created Equal,

00:19:00.900 Clarence Thomas

00:19:01.620 in his own words.

00:19:03.400 Mark is a partner

00:19:04.280 at the law firm

00:19:05.000 in D.C.

00:19:05.560 of Cher Jaffe,

00:19:06.540 which is actually

00:19:07.200 Gene Cher

00:19:07.880 and Eric Jaffe

00:19:08.580 are both friends

00:19:09.720 of mine as well.

00:19:10.420 Actually,

00:19:10.740 Eric Jaffe

00:19:11.340 clerked at the

00:19:12.940 Supreme Court

00:19:13.540 the same year

00:19:14.200 I did.

00:19:15.260 Eric clerked

00:19:15.840 for Justice Thomas

00:19:16.660 while I was

00:19:17.140 clerking for

00:19:17.580 the Chief Justice.

00:19:19.320 Mark is also

00:19:20.260 a senior fellow

00:19:21.140 at the Center

00:19:22.220 for Renewing America.

00:19:24.120 He's served

00:19:24.740 in both the

00:19:25.460 George Herbert

00:19:25.900 Walker Bush

00:19:26.440 administrations

00:19:27.280 and the

00:19:27.900 Trump administration

00:19:28.620 and he worked

00:19:29.300 on the confirmations

00:19:30.260 of Justice Thomas,

00:19:32.160 Justice Gorsuch,

00:19:33.360 and Justice Kavanaugh.

00:19:34.480 Mark also

00:19:35.200 represented

00:19:35.860 Ginny Thomas

00:19:36.680 in connection

00:19:38.800 with the House

00:19:39.640 January 6th Committee

00:19:41.140 and other

00:19:41.560 kangaroo court.

00:19:44.180 And let me

00:19:45.460 actually read

00:19:46.280 for you

00:19:46.960 what Justice

00:19:48.420 Thomas said

00:19:49.140 in his memoirs

00:19:49.900 about Mark

00:19:50.440 Paoletta

00:19:50.820 and his work

00:19:51.480 on the Thomas

00:19:51.980 confirmation fight.

00:19:53.040 So this is a quote

00:19:53.760 from Justice Thomas

00:19:54.600 in his memoirs.

00:19:55.400 Virginia and I

00:19:56.980 looked at each other

00:19:57.820 in astonishment

00:19:58.600 then thanked God

00:20:00.140 for the good people

00:20:00.900 of this country.

00:20:02.400 We first went

00:20:03.500 to St. Albans

00:20:04.220 Episcopal Church

00:20:05.120 where the Reverend

00:20:05.800 Jack Danforth

00:20:06.700 presided over

00:20:07.460 a service of

00:20:08.120 thanksgiving

00:20:08.680 delivering a moving

00:20:10.400 heartfelt homily

00:20:11.400 on justice

00:20:12.140 to a room full

00:20:13.540 of pews

00:20:14.020 packed with the

00:20:14.860 familiar faces

00:20:15.620 of family and friends.

00:20:17.240 Then we went

00:20:18.020 to the White House

00:20:18.760 where I threw

00:20:20.160 protocol to the wind

00:20:21.380 and went directly

00:20:22.820 to Mark Paoletta's

00:20:23.740 office to thank him

00:20:24.940 for his friendship

00:20:26.440 and for everything

00:20:27.720 he'd done

00:20:28.160 to defend me.

00:20:29.720 We sat among

00:20:30.520 tall stacks of paper

00:20:31.700 eating hamburgers

00:20:32.660 and talking over

00:20:34.020 the strange events

00:20:35.080 of the summer

00:20:35.580 and fall.

00:20:36.940 I knew how

00:20:37.880 inadequate my words

00:20:39.000 of gratitude

00:20:39.540 sounded.

00:20:40.640 It would have

00:20:41.360 taken a poet

00:20:42.360 to tell him

00:20:43.880 how I felt

00:20:44.760 but I also knew

00:20:46.540 that out of

00:20:47.260 this nightmare

00:20:48.080 had come a friend

00:20:49.840 to whom I would

00:20:50.980 remain close

00:20:51.980 for the rest

00:20:53.080 of my life.

00:20:54.500 It's with great

00:20:55.420 pleasure that I

00:20:56.200 welcome Mark

00:20:56.920 Paoletta to

00:20:58.140 Verdict.

00:20:58.640 Mark, great to be

00:20:59.500 with you.

00:21:01.200 Senator, thanks for

00:21:01.980 having me on.

00:21:04.500 So Mark,

00:21:05.760 you have

00:21:07.380 witnessed

00:21:07.840 firsthand

00:21:08.580 this recent

00:21:09.980 assault on

00:21:10.640 Justice Thomas

00:21:11.280 and you have

00:21:12.860 been intimately

00:21:13.660 involved in

00:21:14.820 fighting back

00:21:15.700 against each

00:21:16.500 of the charges.

00:21:17.140 for listeners

00:21:18.920 of the podcast

00:21:19.680 to assume

00:21:21.040 that listeners

00:21:22.780 of the podcast

00:21:23.420 are aware

00:21:24.480 of the assault

00:21:25.280 but are not

00:21:25.780 necessarily

00:21:26.320 following the

00:21:27.180 details closely.

00:21:29.000 How would you

00:21:30.040 summarize the

00:21:30.900 principal charges

00:21:32.040 that have been

00:21:33.380 leveled against

00:21:34.000 Justice Thomas

00:21:34.740 in the last

00:21:35.620 six weeks or so?

00:21:38.800 So the charges

00:21:40.940 are all

00:21:42.100 utterly baseless

00:21:43.720 in a word

00:21:45.240 meant to

00:21:46.440 attack Justice

00:21:47.600 Thomas and

00:21:48.500 smear him.

00:21:49.540 I thought you

00:21:49.900 did a wonderful

00:21:50.600 job setting

00:21:52.600 up what is

00:21:53.360 going on here,

00:21:54.060 Senator,

00:21:54.840 which is to

00:21:55.460 attack the

00:21:56.860 court and

00:21:57.240 undermine it.

00:21:58.260 With respect

00:21:58.860 to Justice

00:21:59.360 Thomas,

00:22:00.400 the charges

00:22:01.200 that he has

00:22:01.820 a friend who

00:22:02.480 happens to be

00:22:03.040 wealthy and

00:22:03.860 he goes on

00:22:04.920 vacations with

00:22:05.960 him like all

00:22:06.600 Americans do

00:22:07.320 and go on

00:22:07.880 vacations with

00:22:08.520 your friend

00:22:08.980 and this

00:22:09.600 friend happens

00:22:10.760 to be wealthy

00:22:12.460 and he's not

00:22:14.860 required under

00:22:16.100 the rules

00:22:16.920 that the

00:22:18.500 judicial conference

00:22:19.200 laid out in

00:22:20.100 implementing the

00:22:21.060 ethics to

00:22:22.140 disclose these

00:22:24.140 trips.

00:22:24.640 Harlan Crowe

00:22:25.340 is his friend

00:22:26.120 and Harlan's

00:22:27.440 a friend of

00:22:28.060 mine,

00:22:29.620 has no business

00:22:30.420 before the

00:22:30.940 court.

00:22:31.460 They're longtime

00:22:32.020 friends.

00:22:33.100 They share

00:22:33.660 interests and

00:22:34.340 values together

00:22:35.060 and they go on

00:22:35.760 trips.

00:22:36.200 They've gone,

00:22:37.440 you know,

00:22:37.680 he's got a

00:22:38.180 home up in

00:22:39.560 the Adirondacks

00:22:40.260 that Justice

00:22:40.780 Thomas has been

00:22:41.920 into and

00:22:42.880 the left

00:22:44.380 has turned

00:22:45.200 this into

00:22:45.580 some sort

00:22:45.960 of crime

00:22:46.540 to have a

00:22:47.280 friend and

00:22:48.020 not have to

00:22:48.460 disclose every

00:22:49.400 time you have

00:22:50.160 a hamburger

00:22:50.800 with a friend

00:22:51.680 or go on a

00:22:52.280 trip or go on

00:22:53.280 a flight

00:22:53.700 somewhere.

00:22:55.100 And so many

00:22:56.180 justices have

00:22:56.960 done this

00:22:57.620 over the

00:22:58.700 years.

00:22:59.200 It's perfectly

00:23:00.000 permissible and

00:23:01.340 in fact the

00:23:02.100 judicial conference

00:23:03.280 at the

00:23:03.880 prodding and

00:23:04.520 I'd say

00:23:04.920 bullying of

00:23:06.440 Senator White

00:23:07.100 House recently

00:23:08.580 changed this

00:23:09.420 rule to say

00:23:10.240 that flights

00:23:11.060 that you

00:23:11.460 take and

00:23:13.660 certain,

00:23:14.560 I'll call

00:23:15.280 them,

00:23:15.620 homes that

00:23:16.240 you stay

00:23:16.740 at have to

00:23:17.580 be disclosed.

00:23:18.680 But it's

00:23:19.140 very clear

00:23:19.900 from the way

00:23:21.140 they changed

00:23:21.700 the language

00:23:22.520 and the way

00:23:23.200 it was covered

00:23:23.820 in the

00:23:24.620 New York

00:23:26.740 Times,

00:23:27.600 even left

00:23:28.840 wing judicial

00:23:29.900 ethics expert

00:23:31.120 Stephen Gillers

00:23:31.980 all admitted

00:23:32.860 that Justice

00:23:34.520 Thomas wasn't

00:23:35.380 required to

00:23:36.240 disclose these

00:23:37.040 trips and

00:23:38.300 these vacations

00:23:39.240 before this

00:23:40.220 rule changed.

00:23:40.800 The rule

00:23:41.080 was changed

00:23:41.560 on March

00:23:42.080 14th of

00:23:43.420 2023 just

00:23:44.340 a couple

00:23:44.640 weeks ago.

00:23:45.920 That is

00:23:46.400 this entire

00:23:47.320 this long

00:23:48.360 pro-publica

00:23:49.200 story and

00:23:49.900 I'm telling

00:23:50.240 you Senator

00:23:50.660 the number

00:23:52.560 of reporters

00:23:54.480 and the time

00:23:55.200 they spent

00:23:55.780 hunting down

00:23:57.000 Justice

00:23:57.720 Thomas's

00:23:58.760 trip and

00:24:00.720 where he

00:24:01.220 was,

00:24:01.820 the amount

00:24:02.180 of time

00:24:02.560 they put

00:24:02.940 on that

00:24:03.340 when they

00:24:03.840 could be

00:24:04.160 looking at

00:24:04.680 Hunter Biden

00:24:05.560 and Joe

00:24:06.580 Biden and

00:24:07.240 all the

00:24:07.660 things of

00:24:08.200 this

00:24:08.940 administration

00:24:09.560 but what

00:24:09.980 they want

00:24:10.220 to focus

00:24:10.560 on is

00:24:11.220 making

00:24:11.800 Justice

00:24:12.260 Thomas's

00:24:12.780 life a

00:24:13.460 living hell

00:24:14.000 and as

00:24:14.340 you said

00:24:14.760 this idea

00:24:15.440 of trying

00:24:15.760 to actually

00:24:16.240 drive them

00:24:16.900 off the

00:24:17.320 court

00:24:17.620 at first

00:24:19.800 right

00:24:20.080 as they do

00:24:20.780 with many

00:24:21.100 justices

00:24:21.520 they want

00:24:21.860 to see if

00:24:22.160 they can

00:24:22.420 bend you

00:24:22.980 to their

00:24:23.360 will

00:24:23.700 and make

00:24:24.380 you sort

00:24:24.920 of change

00:24:25.600 your jurisprudence

00:24:27.240 maybe trim

00:24:27.840 it here and

00:24:28.240 there.

00:24:28.640 They know

00:24:28.920 that's been

00:24:29.540 a failure

00:24:30.000 an utter

00:24:30.480 failure

00:24:30.820 for 30

00:24:31.360 years

00:24:31.660 where Justice

00:24:32.560 Thomas

00:24:32.940 who used

00:24:33.580 to write

00:24:33.880 solo

00:24:34.260 dissent

00:24:34.780 and concurrences

00:24:35.600 and you

00:24:36.160 were up

00:24:36.460 there at

00:24:37.200 the time

00:24:37.600 is now

00:24:39.440 commanding

00:24:40.000 majorities

00:24:40.560 on all

00:24:41.000 these opinions

00:24:42.000 and errors

00:24:42.420 that you

00:24:42.800 have laid

00:24:43.340 out

00:24:43.500 from Dobbs

00:24:44.440 to the

00:24:44.700 Second Amendment

00:24:45.300 to reigning

00:24:45.940 in the

00:24:46.240 administrative

00:24:46.620 state

00:24:47.120 to religious

00:24:48.500 liberties

00:24:48.840 these are

00:24:49.220 all issues

00:24:49.880 that Justice

00:24:50.360 Thomas has

00:24:50.880 been a leader

00:24:51.380 on and

00:24:51.980 laid down

00:24:52.500 the jurisprudence

00:24:53.280 but that

00:24:53.840 is the

00:24:54.240 first

00:24:54.700 attack

00:24:56.800 on him

00:24:57.380 the most

00:24:58.640 latest

00:24:58.980 attack

00:24:59.380 was the

00:25:00.360 one on

00:25:01.140 the trips

00:25:02.180 and the

00:25:03.140 fact that

00:25:03.420 he didn't

00:25:03.800 disclose

00:25:04.220 them

00:25:04.520 so and

00:25:05.660 let's take

00:25:06.380 a moment

00:25:06.700 to focus

00:25:07.220 on this

00:25:07.680 because Mark

00:25:08.260 you're right

00:25:08.600 this has

00:25:09.200 been the

00:25:09.600 most prominent

00:25:10.240 attack

00:25:10.760 and the

00:25:11.280 attack

00:25:11.720 is that

00:25:13.020 he traveled

00:25:13.800 with a

00:25:14.780 very good

00:25:15.480 friend of

00:25:15.940 his

00:25:16.220 Harlan

00:25:16.580 Crow

00:25:16.940 Harlan

00:25:17.820 is a

00:25:18.100 friend of

00:25:18.420 mine

00:25:18.580 as well

00:25:18.900 I know

00:25:19.160 Harlan

00:25:19.480 well

00:25:19.720 he lives

00:25:20.060 in Dallas

00:25:20.500 he's a

00:25:21.000 very successful

00:25:21.700 businessman

00:25:22.300 he's a

00:25:23.460 very generous

00:25:24.040 philanthropist

00:25:24.920 he is a

00:25:27.420 Republican

00:25:27.920 although he's

00:25:28.680 not a

00:25:30.020 terribly

00:25:30.420 conservative

00:25:31.040 Republican

00:25:31.580 he frankly

00:25:32.300 is a

00:25:34.200 self-described

00:25:35.240 very moderate

00:25:36.320 in fact he's

00:25:37.740 described himself

00:25:38.400 as a pro-choice

00:25:39.120 Republican

00:25:39.620 he is not

00:25:41.160 Harlan Crowe

00:25:42.120 is not a fan

00:25:42.760 of Donald

00:25:44.220 Trump

00:25:44.640 but he has

00:25:46.740 been a

00:25:47.080 supporter

00:25:47.420 he was a

00:25:47.840 big big

00:25:48.260 supporter

00:25:48.780 of Mitt

00:25:49.360 Romney's

00:25:50.460 he's been a

00:25:51.360 supporter of

00:25:51.840 mine

00:25:52.100 he's been a

00:25:52.580 supporter of

00:25:53.380 other Republicans

00:25:54.260 and he and

00:25:55.660 Justice Thomas

00:25:56.320 have been

00:25:56.820 friends for

00:25:57.400 decades

00:25:57.840 close friends

00:25:58.760 and the

00:25:59.700 attack is

00:26:00.520 that Justice

00:26:01.080 Thomas

00:26:01.500 has vacationed

00:26:03.040 with Harlan

00:26:03.460 Crowe

00:26:03.960 and has

00:26:04.580 been to

00:26:05.180 his home

00:26:06.660 on vacation

00:26:08.080 and that

00:26:08.780 has flown

00:26:09.540 on his

00:26:10.460 plane

00:26:10.840 and has

00:26:11.280 been on

00:26:11.980 his yacht

00:26:12.560 as well

00:26:12.980 and that's

00:26:13.600 the attack

00:26:14.120 and look

00:26:14.820 I can

00:26:15.240 imagine a

00:26:15.960 world

00:26:16.360 in which

00:26:17.340 rules were

00:26:19.080 put in

00:26:19.480 place that

00:26:20.080 said no

00:26:21.560 justice can

00:26:22.880 stay at

00:26:23.460 anyone else's

00:26:24.060 home

00:26:24.280 I can

00:26:24.540 imagine a

00:26:25.360 world in

00:26:26.380 which a

00:26:26.700 rule was

00:26:27.000 put in

00:26:27.340 place that

00:26:27.820 say no

00:26:28.520 justice can

00:26:29.580 fly on a

00:26:30.340 private plane

00:26:30.920 I can

00:26:31.200 imagine a

00:26:31.700 world in

00:26:32.100 which a

00:26:32.420 rule was

00:26:32.680 put in

00:26:32.980 place that

00:26:33.420 say no

00:26:34.320 justice can

00:26:35.480 be on

00:26:36.280 anyone's

00:26:36.700 yacht

00:26:36.920 that might

00:26:37.980 make sense

00:26:38.480 it might

00:26:38.820 not we

00:26:39.220 could debate

00:26:39.800 that in

00:26:40.160 the abstract

00:26:40.580 but let's

00:26:43.340 start with

00:26:43.740 this proposition

00:26:44.380 the rules

00:26:45.020 don't say

00:26:45.560 that now

00:26:46.080 do they

00:26:46.400 Mark

00:26:46.680 they're

00:26:48.860 they're being

00:26:49.520 changed

00:26:50.300 if you

00:26:50.940 can be

00:26:51.300 on them

00:26:51.600 you need

00:26:51.940 to disclose

00:26:52.560 it but

00:26:53.260 until March

00:26:54.720 14th of

00:26:56.140 2023 it

00:26:57.560 was if you

00:26:58.420 were a friend

00:26:59.100 and the

00:26:59.960 personal

00:27:00.420 hospitality

00:27:01.260 exemption you

00:27:02.480 didn't have to

00:27:03.280 disclose those

00:27:04.440 sorts of

00:27:04.860 trips from

00:27:05.500 the flight

00:27:06.480 to being

00:27:08.000 on a boat

00:27:08.600 to being

00:27:09.220 on at

00:27:10.020 somebody's

00:27:10.400 vacation home

00:27:11.140 and food

00:27:11.980 and entertainment

00:27:12.840 all those

00:27:13.400 things were

00:27:13.860 exempt under

00:27:14.740 the personal

00:27:15.340 hospitality

00:27:16.280 exemption

00:27:16.960 the judicial

00:27:17.720 conference

00:27:18.100 changed that

00:27:18.800 on March

00:27:19.440 14th of

00:27:20.880 2023

00:27:21.620 New York

00:27:22.360 Times covered

00:27:22.940 it and

00:27:23.340 even

00:27:23.780 even

00:27:24.120 even

00:27:24.680 Senator

00:27:25.040 Whitehouse

00:27:25.560 last year

00:27:26.760 had a hearing

00:27:27.280 on this

00:27:27.700 with the old

00:27:28.540 rule and

00:27:29.320 came up

00:27:29.660 with a

00:27:29.920 scenario

00:27:30.440 that described

00:27:31.940 the justice

00:27:32.380 going on

00:27:33.000 a yacht

00:27:33.500 a justice

00:27:34.040 going to

00:27:34.860 somebody's

00:27:35.800 place in

00:27:37.140 in Aspen

00:27:39.780 or something

00:27:40.200 like that

00:27:40.700 and said

00:27:41.360 to the

00:27:41.620 witness

00:27:41.780 now he

00:27:42.360 wouldn't

00:27:42.560 have to

00:27:42.840 disclose

00:27:43.260 those things

00:27:43.860 right under

00:27:44.320 this rule

00:27:44.800 and his

00:27:45.300 witness

00:27:45.780 left wing

00:27:47.220 activist

00:27:48.620 Kendrick

00:27:49.500 Payne

00:27:49.780 said

00:27:49.960 yeah

00:27:50.320 the rule

00:27:50.940 has been

00:27:51.940 interpreted

00:27:52.380 by the

00:27:52.860 courts

00:27:53.220 to not

00:27:55.120 have to

00:27:55.480 disclose

00:27:55.880 that

00:27:56.220 so up

00:27:57.200 until this

00:27:57.720 point

00:27:57.980 you're right

00:27:58.540 if they want

00:27:59.560 to write a

00:27:59.860 rule that

00:28:00.140 says X Y

00:28:00.600 Z

00:28:00.760 fine

00:28:01.240 but what

00:28:02.040 is being

00:28:03.480 double

00:28:04.380 standard

00:28:04.860 as you

00:28:05.240 said

00:28:05.480 to apply

00:28:06.260 to double

00:28:06.640 standards

00:28:06.900 with Justice

00:28:07.480 Thomas

00:28:07.840 is the

00:28:08.440 fact that

00:28:08.960 he should

00:28:09.480 have

00:28:09.680 disclosed

00:28:10.520 these things

00:28:11.080 when he

00:28:11.880 had no

00:28:12.460 reason to

00:28:13.380 so and

00:28:14.340 let me

00:28:14.560 underscore

00:28:15.000 a couple

00:28:15.380 of points

00:28:15.720 because it's

00:28:16.140 important to

00:28:16.720 understand the

00:28:17.300 specifics

00:28:17.780 number one

00:28:19.340 the

00:28:20.420 judicial ethics

00:28:21.960 rules

00:28:22.500 have never

00:28:23.900 and even

00:28:24.560 to this

00:28:25.160 day

00:28:25.680 do not

00:28:26.820 prohibit a

00:28:27.520 justice

00:28:27.900 from staying

00:28:28.680 at someone

00:28:29.080 else's home

00:28:29.820 from flying

00:28:31.380 on a plane

00:28:32.100 a private

00:28:32.560 plane

00:28:32.960 from getting

00:28:33.860 on a yacht

00:28:34.340 the rules

00:28:35.560 do not

00:28:36.040 prohibit

00:28:36.660 that

00:28:36.980 and up

00:28:38.520 until

00:28:39.400 March of

00:28:40.340 2023

00:28:41.020 in other

00:28:41.620 words up

00:28:42.020 until just

00:28:42.700 over a

00:28:43.120 month ago

00:28:43.660 the rules

00:28:45.240 did not

00:28:45.960 require

00:28:46.760 disclosure

00:28:47.540 of staying

00:28:48.520 at a

00:28:48.920 personal

00:28:49.340 friend's

00:28:49.840 home

00:28:50.060 or flying

00:28:50.580 on the

00:28:50.880 friend's

00:28:51.240 plane

00:28:51.580 or being

00:28:52.620 on the

00:28:52.940 yacht

00:28:53.180 am I

00:28:54.120 stating that

00:28:54.960 accurately

00:28:55.420 both of

00:28:55.860 those

00:28:56.040 propositions

00:28:56.900 yes

00:28:58.660 okay

00:28:59.520 now

00:29:00.500 you might

00:29:01.340 say

00:29:01.560 well

00:29:01.840 okay

00:29:02.240 but

00:29:03.200 clearly

00:29:04.400 from the

00:29:04.900 press

00:29:05.120 coverage

00:29:05.480 what

00:29:05.740 Justice

00:29:06.240 Thomas

00:29:06.640 has done

00:29:07.240 is really

00:29:07.900 really

00:29:08.160 different

00:29:08.580 and no

00:29:09.020 other

00:29:09.220 justice

00:29:09.560 does that

00:29:10.140 and if

00:29:11.260 that were

00:29:11.660 true

00:29:12.040 then I

00:29:12.440 guess you

00:29:12.740 could have

00:29:13.000 an argument

00:29:13.460 about why

00:29:14.080 Justice

00:29:14.400 Thomas was

00:29:14.980 doing something

00:29:15.560 out of the

00:29:15.960 norm

00:29:16.220 it just

00:29:18.080 happens not

00:29:18.740 just to

00:29:19.600 be false

00:29:20.240 but wildly

00:29:22.140 blatantly

00:29:23.120 undeniably

00:29:23.960 false

00:29:24.320 so according

00:29:25.700 to the public

00:29:26.300 data that are

00:29:27.000 available at all

00:29:27.720 the justices

00:29:28.420 Justice

00:29:29.420 Thomas has

00:29:30.080 reported to

00:29:30.700 date

00:29:31.040 109

00:29:33.040 reported

00:29:33.560 trips

00:29:33.980 that is

00:29:35.040 since he

00:29:35.680 was appointed

00:29:36.260 and confirmed

00:29:36.760 to the court

00:29:37.220 in 1991

00:29:37.960 109

00:29:38.980 of those

00:29:40.380 109

00:29:41.280 five were

00:29:41.940 international

00:29:42.460 trips

00:29:42.860 now you

00:29:43.160 might say

00:29:43.580 109

00:29:44.380 okay

00:29:44.640 that's

00:29:45.120 that's

00:29:45.400 egregious

00:29:45.820 that's

00:29:46.200 just too

00:29:46.640 much

00:29:47.000 all right

00:29:48.400 let's

00:29:49.820 look to

00:29:50.760 Justice

00:29:51.560 Ruth Bader

00:29:52.100 Ginsburg

00:29:52.460 so

00:29:53.740 Justice

00:29:54.120 Ruth Bader

00:29:54.680 Ginsburg

00:29:55.080 Justice

00:29:56.560 Thomas

00:29:56.980 was

00:29:57.740 confirmed

00:29:58.220 to the

00:29:58.520 court

00:29:58.740 in 1991

00:29:59.620 Justice

00:30:00.140 Ginsburg

00:30:00.440 was the

00:30:00.840 next

00:30:01.040 justice

00:30:01.380 to

00:30:01.580 arrive

00:30:01.940 she

00:30:02.160 was

00:30:02.340 confirmed

00:30:02.720 in 1993

00:30:03.600 how many

00:30:04.980 reported

00:30:05.400 trips

00:30:05.720 did Justice

00:30:06.240 Ruth Bader

00:30:06.680 Ginsburg

00:30:07.020 have

00:30:07.520 157

00:30:10.300 of them

00:30:11.400 how many

00:30:11.760 were

00:30:11.920 international

00:30:12.480 that would

00:30:12.960 be 28

00:30:14.020 so

00:30:14.980 Ruth Bader

00:30:15.520 Ginsburg

00:30:15.880 appointed

00:30:16.400 after

00:30:16.860 Clarence

00:30:17.280 Thomas

00:30:17.580 had

00:30:18.680 nearly

00:30:19.020 50%

00:30:19.700 more

00:30:20.040 trips

00:30:20.380 than

00:30:20.580 Justice

00:30:20.900 Thomas

00:30:21.240 has

00:30:21.460 had

00:30:21.740 and

00:30:22.880 had

00:30:23.480 nearly

00:30:24.480 six

00:30:24.920 times

00:30:25.380 as many

00:30:25.900 international

00:30:26.520 trips

00:30:26.940 okay

00:30:27.300 well

00:30:27.720 maybe

00:30:28.680 Justice

00:30:29.200 Ginsburg

00:30:29.640 is

00:30:30.200 an

00:30:30.440 outlier

00:30:31.040 what

00:30:32.680 about

00:30:33.460 Justice

00:30:34.800 Breyer

00:30:35.480 okay

00:30:36.360 Justice

00:30:36.920 Breyer

00:30:37.400 so

00:30:37.660 Steve

00:30:37.960 Breyer

00:30:38.280 was

00:30:38.480 confirmed

00:30:38.860 in

00:30:39.060 1994

00:30:39.640 so

00:30:40.020 he

00:30:40.140 was

00:30:40.280 the

00:30:40.420 next

00:30:40.660 justice

00:30:41.160 confirmed

00:30:42.180 to the

00:30:42.460 court

00:30:42.680 after

00:30:42.940 Ruth

00:30:43.200 Bader

00:30:43.420 Ginsburg

00:30:43.780 during

00:30:45.020 his

00:30:45.280 time

00:30:45.560 on

00:30:45.700 the

00:30:45.820 court

00:30:46.020 remember

00:30:46.300 Clarence

00:30:46.660 Thomas

00:30:46.900 had

00:30:47.100 109

00:30:47.660 trips

00:30:47.960 how many

00:30:48.240 did

00:30:48.400 Steve

00:30:48.620 Breyer

00:30:48.880 have

00:30:49.220 that

00:30:50.020 would

00:30:50.180 be

00:30:50.360 233

00:30:52.260 so

00:30:53.280 more

00:30:53.800 than

00:30:54.100 two

00:30:54.420 times

00:30:54.900 as

00:30:55.100 many

00:30:55.320 trips

00:30:55.720 as

00:30:57.220 Justice

00:30:57.620 Thomas

00:30:57.980 three

00:30:58.360 of

00:30:58.560 them

00:30:58.740 were

00:30:58.920 international

00:30:59.500 all

00:31:00.420 right

00:31:00.580 that's

00:31:01.020 that's

00:31:01.500 Justice

00:31:02.060 Breyer

00:31:02.460 how

00:31:03.480 about

00:31:03.880 Justice

00:31:04.960 Kagan

00:31:05.580 now

00:31:06.320 Elena

00:31:06.580 Kagan

00:31:06.940 was

00:31:07.260 confirmed

00:31:07.700 in

00:31:08.160 August

00:31:08.980 of

00:31:09.300 2010

00:31:09.760 so

00:31:10.640 she's

00:31:10.940 been

00:31:11.080 on

00:31:11.220 the

00:31:11.360 court

00:31:11.640 just

00:31:12.020 over

00:31:12.240 12

00:31:12.580 years

00:31:12.840 12

00:31:13.040 and a

00:31:13.180 half

00:31:13.340 years

00:31:13.660 in

00:31:14.840 that

00:31:15.880 12

00:31:16.260 and a

00:31:16.440 half

00:31:16.660 years

00:31:16.940 so

00:31:17.180 about

00:31:17.580 a

00:31:17.780 third

00:31:18.000 of

00:31:18.160 the

00:31:18.260 time

00:31:18.540 Justice

00:31:18.860 Thomas

00:31:19.200 has

00:31:19.400 been

00:31:19.520 on

00:31:19.640 the

00:31:19.780 court

00:31:20.020 Elena

00:31:21.080 Kagan

00:31:21.520 who's

00:31:21.880 a

00:31:22.000 Democrat

00:31:22.340 appointee

00:31:22.960 appointed

00:31:23.300 by

00:31:23.500 Obama

00:31:23.880 reported

00:31:25.400 68

00:31:26.480 trips

00:31:26.900 68

00:31:27.460 so

00:31:28.540 she's

00:31:29.040 got

00:31:29.380 two

00:31:30.620 thirds

00:31:31.000 of

00:31:31.180 the

00:31:31.300 trips

00:31:31.560 Justice

00:31:31.940 Thomas

00:31:32.300 has

00:31:32.780 in

00:31:33.300 only

00:31:33.740 one

00:31:34.020 third

00:31:34.200 of

00:31:34.340 the

00:31:34.440 time

00:31:34.760 and

00:31:34.920 six

00:31:35.300 of

00:31:35.500 those

00:31:35.860 were

00:31:36.640 international

00:31:37.200 well

00:31:38.420 but

00:31:38.760 surely

00:31:39.100 those

00:31:39.440 are

00:31:39.580 outliers

00:31:40.080 all right

00:31:40.460 let's

00:31:40.720 try

00:31:40.940 one

00:31:41.200 more

00:31:41.420 Sonia

00:31:41.800 Sotomayor

00:31:42.380 Sonia

00:31:43.520 Sotomayor

00:31:44.140 appointed

00:31:45.520 by

00:31:45.780 Obama

00:31:46.160 Obama's

00:31:46.680 first

00:31:47.000 appointee

00:31:47.640 confirmed

00:31:49.120 in

00:31:49.440 August

00:31:49.740 of

00:31:50.000 2009

00:31:50.920 Sonia

00:31:52.220 Sotomayor

00:31:52.860 again

00:31:53.220 she's

00:31:53.580 been

00:31:53.740 on

00:31:53.880 the

00:31:54.000 court

00:31:54.240 just

00:31:54.540 about

00:31:54.780 a

00:31:54.960 third

00:31:55.140 of

00:31:55.300 the

00:31:55.380 time

00:31:55.660 Justice

00:31:55.960 Thomas

00:31:56.320 has

00:31:56.720 how

00:31:57.620 many

00:31:57.820 does

00:31:58.020 she

00:31:58.220 have

00:31:58.540 151

00:32:00.880 reported

00:32:01.720 trips

00:32:02.160 that

00:32:03.480 is

00:32:03.740 50%

00:32:04.660 more

00:32:05.080 than

00:32:05.280 Justice

00:32:05.640 Thomas

00:32:06.000 in

00:32:06.200 a

00:32:06.340 third

00:32:06.520 of

00:32:06.640 the

00:32:06.720 time

00:32:07.060 and

00:32:08.240 10

00:32:08.860 international

00:32:09.980 trips

00:32:10.400 now

00:32:10.720 at the

00:32:12.880 Judiciary

00:32:13.400 Committee

00:32:13.760 hearing

00:32:14.160 if they

00:32:14.620 want to

00:32:15.000 go

00:32:15.200 through

00:32:15.540 and drag

00:32:16.360 Ruth

00:32:16.640 Bader

00:32:16.860 Ginsburg

00:32:17.180 through

00:32:17.540 the

00:32:17.720 mud

00:32:17.920 and drag

00:32:18.660 Steve

00:32:18.980 Breyer

00:32:19.360 through

00:32:19.640 the

00:32:19.820 mud

00:32:20.080 and drag

00:32:20.880 Elena

00:32:21.180 Kagan

00:32:21.520 through

00:32:21.780 the

00:32:21.960 mud

00:32:22.180 and drag

00:32:22.800 Sonia

00:32:23.180 Sotomayor

00:32:23.660 through

00:32:23.960 the

00:32:24.140 mud

00:32:24.420 the

00:32:25.000 Democrats

00:32:25.400 are

00:32:25.600 welcome

00:32:25.840 to do

00:32:26.180 that

00:32:26.380 I'm

00:32:26.560 going

00:32:26.620 to

00:32:26.740 predict

00:32:27.120 they're

00:32:27.400 not

00:32:27.600 going

00:32:27.860 to

00:32:28.120 because

00:32:29.400 they're

00:32:29.780 being

00:32:30.100 utterly

00:32:30.680 hypocritical

00:32:31.560 and they're

00:32:31.900 attacking

00:32:32.400 Clarence

00:32:32.980 Thomas

00:32:33.320 for something

00:32:35.160 that other

00:32:36.240 justices

00:32:36.920 including

00:32:37.560 icons of

00:32:38.700 the left

00:32:39.260 have done

00:32:40.780 and most

00:32:41.500 of them

00:32:41.900 have done

00:32:42.540 far more

00:32:43.860 frequently

00:32:44.520 than Clarence

00:32:46.040 Thomas

00:32:46.340 is what I

00:32:47.360 said

00:32:47.620 accurate

00:32:48.100 there Mark

00:32:48.680 absolutely

00:32:50.900 absolutely

00:32:50.920 accurate

00:32:51.320 Senator

00:32:51.680 and I

00:32:53.020 think I'll

00:32:53.540 kind of

00:32:54.100 go back

00:32:54.420 to what

00:32:54.720 you were

00:32:54.940 saying

00:32:55.340 about how

00:32:56.180 the left

00:32:57.000 hates

00:32:57.380 Justice

00:32:57.760 Thomas

00:32:58.100 and exposes

00:32:58.940 their racism

00:32:59.740 when you read

00:33:00.780 about Clarence

00:33:01.520 Thomas

00:33:01.860 and these

00:33:02.600 trips

00:33:03.020 and his

00:33:03.620 friendship

00:33:03.960 with

00:33:04.400 Harlan

00:33:05.260 Crow

00:33:05.540 it's

00:33:07.220 always

00:33:07.600 in this

00:33:08.360 sense

00:33:08.860 that

00:33:09.160 Harlan

00:33:10.460 Crow

00:33:10.760 has

00:33:11.100 bought

00:33:11.800 Justice

00:33:12.220 Thomas

00:33:12.600 he

00:33:13.220 has him

00:33:14.800 he's

00:33:15.120 under

00:33:15.440 his

00:33:15.720 spell

00:33:16.180 and you

00:33:16.700 never

00:33:17.080 read

00:33:17.420 that

00:33:17.760 about

00:33:18.260 any

00:33:18.620 other

00:33:18.960 justice

00:33:19.860 with respect

00:33:20.680 to going

00:33:21.800 on trips

00:33:22.400 and going

00:33:23.540 flying somewhere

00:33:24.320 or being

00:33:24.620 on somebody's

00:33:25.200 boat

00:33:25.420 it's this

00:33:26.100 racism

00:33:26.680 that's

00:33:27.840 directed

00:33:28.180 at Justice

00:33:28.720 Thomas

00:33:29.080 that somehow

00:33:29.820 Harlan

00:33:31.480 Crow

00:33:31.900 is controlling

00:33:33.260 Clarence

00:33:33.760 Thomas

00:33:34.020 and it

00:33:35.360 started

00:33:36.060 when he

00:33:36.420 went on

00:33:36.720 the D.C.

00:33:37.220 Circuit

00:33:37.460 and they

00:33:37.880 said he

00:33:38.200 was dependent

00:33:39.180 on Larry

00:33:41.060 Silverman

00:33:41.600 then it

00:33:42.180 goes to

00:33:42.740 when he

00:33:43.020 goes on

00:33:43.380 to the

00:33:43.660 Supreme

00:33:43.960 Court

00:33:44.320 and he's

00:33:44.940 dependent

00:33:45.320 on

00:33:45.720 Justice

00:33:46.240 Scalia

00:33:46.680 always

00:33:47.500 dependent

00:33:48.120 on his

00:33:48.720 wife

00:33:49.180 or his

00:33:50.900 law

00:33:51.180 clerks

00:33:51.460 that the

00:33:51.780 White House

00:33:53.080 allegedly

00:33:53.560 picked for

00:33:55.260 him

00:33:55.500 so it's

00:33:56.540 got this

00:33:57.000 it's really

00:33:58.120 this disgusting

00:33:58.880 attack

00:33:59.440 on Justice

00:34:00.680 Thomas

00:34:01.100 that is

00:34:02.220 connected

00:34:02.620 to this

00:34:03.200 his

00:34:04.000 friendship

00:34:04.360 with

00:34:04.800 Harlan

00:34:05.280 Crow

00:34:05.480 well you're

00:34:06.760 exactly

00:34:07.220 right

00:34:07.660 and there's

00:34:08.540 a contempt

00:34:09.400 that the

00:34:09.920 left has

00:34:10.660 particularly

00:34:12.140 to an

00:34:12.740 African

00:34:13.100 American

00:34:13.580 who dares

00:34:14.080 to be

00:34:14.400 conservative

00:34:14.900 and part

00:34:15.600 of the

00:34:15.820 contempt

00:34:16.320 is an

00:34:17.520 intellectual

00:34:18.000 arrogance

00:34:18.720 that the

00:34:20.020 left

00:34:20.600 has for

00:34:21.500 decades

00:34:22.220 tried to

00:34:23.480 caricature

00:34:24.120 Justice

00:34:24.620 Thomas

00:34:25.040 as not

00:34:25.780 very bright

00:34:26.520 he must

00:34:27.180 be led

00:34:28.000 by white

00:34:29.360 conservatives

00:34:29.900 because

00:34:30.420 Lord knows

00:34:31.420 he couldn't

00:34:31.880 figure out

00:34:32.380 those views

00:34:32.880 on his

00:34:33.200 own

00:34:33.440 and it

00:34:34.480 was

00:34:34.720 grotesquely

00:34:35.640 offensive

00:34:36.080 when liberals

00:34:37.740 advanced that

00:34:38.520 argument

00:34:38.960 in 1991

00:34:39.860 and it

00:34:41.080 has been

00:34:41.420 grotesquely

00:34:42.240 offensive

00:34:42.700 ever since

00:34:43.480 and I gotta

00:34:43.980 tell you

00:34:44.340 look I

00:34:44.680 was in

00:34:44.980 law

00:34:45.180 school

00:34:45.340 I

00:34:45.500 graduated

00:34:45.900 law

00:34:46.220 school

00:34:46.460 in 1995

00:34:47.740 so Justice

00:34:48.620 Thomas was

00:34:49.500 a new

00:34:50.520 Supreme Court

00:34:51.120 justice

00:34:51.540 when I was

00:34:52.080 in law

00:34:52.660 school

00:34:52.980 and the

00:34:54.400 professors at

00:34:55.220 Harvard Law

00:34:55.800 School

00:34:56.080 most of the

00:34:56.780 left wing

00:34:57.140 students at

00:34:57.660 Harvard Law

00:34:58.180 School

00:34:58.360 they really

00:34:58.780 did view

00:34:59.440 Clarence Thomas

00:35:00.260 as just

00:35:01.060 just a

00:35:02.000 rube

00:35:02.480 just

00:35:02.800 just

00:35:03.080 just not

00:35:03.700 bright enough

00:35:04.340 really to

00:35:04.780 even tie

00:35:05.220 his own

00:35:05.580 shoes

00:35:06.080 and

00:35:06.340 the

00:35:07.520 racist

00:35:08.520 condescension

00:35:09.400 was palpable

00:35:10.160 now I will

00:35:11.320 say what's

00:35:11.880 interesting

00:35:12.320 is in

00:35:14.160 in the

00:35:14.920 30 plus

00:35:16.300 years

00:35:16.700 Justice

00:35:17.080 Thomas

00:35:17.420 has been

00:35:17.780 on the

00:35:18.040 court

00:35:18.300 Justice

00:35:19.740 Thomas

00:35:20.300 term

00:35:21.420 after term

00:35:22.260 has written

00:35:23.900 extraordinary

00:35:25.060 opinions

00:35:25.740 and and

00:35:26.360 for anyone

00:35:27.700 that follows

00:35:28.320 Supreme Court

00:35:28.860 jurisprudence

00:35:29.580 there are

00:35:30.300 real differences

00:35:31.300 between

00:35:31.720 Justice

00:35:32.080 Thomas's

00:35:32.640 jurisprudence

00:35:33.360 and Justice

00:35:33.820 Scalia's

00:35:34.320 jurisprudence

00:35:34.920 and Justice

00:35:35.400 Chief Justice

00:35:36.360 Rehnquist

00:35:36.740 jurisprudence

00:35:37.460 but of

00:35:38.600 all of

00:35:39.180 the

00:35:39.320 justices

00:35:39.940 the

00:35:41.080 justice

00:35:41.540 most

00:35:42.040 likely

00:35:42.600 to

00:35:44.100 revisit

00:35:45.520 long-standing

00:35:46.320 precedent

00:35:46.880 and to go

00:35:47.240 back to

00:35:47.620 first principles

00:35:48.380 to go

00:35:48.760 back to

00:35:49.300 what does

00:35:49.680 the

00:35:49.840 Constitution

00:35:50.300 say

00:35:51.020 what

00:35:52.420 was the

00:35:53.420 original

00:35:53.840 public

00:35:54.240 meaning

00:35:54.560 of the

00:35:54.960 words

00:35:55.320 used

00:35:55.700 in the

00:35:55.980 Constitution

00:35:56.460 and to

00:35:57.040 go back

00:35:57.660 and examine

00:35:58.880 it

00:35:59.140 carefully

00:35:59.560 there's

00:35:59.860 no

00:36:00.080 justice

00:36:00.660 more

00:36:01.300 willing

00:36:01.640 to do

00:36:02.100 so

00:36:02.380 than

00:36:02.580 Clarence

00:36:02.960 Thomas

00:36:03.220 and he

00:36:03.500 started

00:36:03.780 very early

00:36:04.260 on when

00:36:04.580 he was

00:36:04.720 brand new

00:36:05.120 on the

00:36:05.340 court

00:36:05.600 every

00:36:07.120 term

00:36:07.620 there

00:36:07.840 would

00:36:07.960 be

00:36:08.080 one

00:36:08.360 or

00:36:08.500 two

00:36:08.680 opinions

00:36:09.180 that

00:36:09.460 term

00:36:09.840 where

00:36:10.840 he

00:36:11.100 would

00:36:11.340 write

00:36:11.660 a

00:36:11.920 very

00:36:12.620 very

00:36:13.020 serious

00:36:13.760 scholarly

00:36:14.580 exposition

00:36:15.440 of an

00:36:15.780 area of

00:36:16.200 law

00:36:16.400 sometimes

00:36:16.800 big sexy

00:36:18.400 areas of

00:36:19.020 law that

00:36:19.460 command a lot

00:36:20.040 of attention

00:36:20.540 other times

00:36:21.480 relatively obscure

00:36:23.260 areas of

00:36:23.920 law but

00:36:24.340 nonetheless

00:36:24.680 that were

00:36:25.220 consequential

00:36:26.020 and

00:36:27.360 there was

00:36:28.580 a palpable

00:36:29.140 shift

00:36:29.660 over the

00:36:31.020 years

00:36:31.480 which is

00:36:32.880 leftist

00:36:33.980 for the

00:36:34.360 first

00:36:34.600 five

00:36:34.920 ten

00:36:35.180 years

00:36:35.560 just

00:36:35.900 decried

00:36:36.840 him

00:36:37.060 as an

00:36:37.360 idiot

00:36:37.640 but

00:36:38.880 you

00:36:39.060 couldn't

00:36:39.620 read

00:36:40.080 the

00:36:40.320 opinions

00:36:40.880 that

00:36:41.100 he

00:36:41.220 wrote

00:36:41.620 and

00:36:42.540 maintain

00:36:43.000 that

00:36:43.200 they

00:36:43.340 would

00:36:43.500 say

00:36:43.740 by the

00:36:44.040 way

00:36:44.180 well

00:36:44.720 he's

00:36:45.360 not

00:36:45.540 writing

00:36:45.820 it

00:36:45.960 it's

00:36:46.120 his

00:36:46.260 law

00:36:46.560 clerks

00:36:46.860 his

00:36:47.000 law

00:36:47.220 clerks

00:36:47.460 are

00:36:47.560 doing

00:36:47.740 his

00:36:47.880 work

00:36:48.100 for

00:36:48.300 him

00:36:48.420 well

00:36:48.620 look

00:36:49.820 I

00:36:50.100 clerked

00:36:50.440 at

00:36:50.520 the

00:36:50.620 court

00:36:50.820 every

00:36:51.100 justice

00:36:51.480 has

00:36:51.740 law

00:36:51.980 clerks

00:36:52.360 and

00:36:53.120 yet

00:36:53.320 somehow

00:36:53.860 when

00:36:55.100 Ruth

00:36:55.340 Bader

00:36:55.580 Ginsburg

00:36:55.940 wrote

00:36:56.280 an

00:36:56.400 opinion

00:36:56.640 it

00:36:56.800 wasn't

00:36:57.040 her

00:36:57.180 law

00:36:57.440 clerks

00:36:57.780 when

00:36:58.040 Bill

00:36:59.300 Brennan

00:36:59.660 wrote

00:36:59.860 an

00:36:59.980 opinion

00:37:00.180 it

00:37:00.340 wasn't

00:37:00.580 his

00:37:00.780 law

00:37:01.040 clerks

00:37:01.320 it's

00:37:01.560 only

00:37:02.060 Justice

00:37:02.540 Thomas'

00:37:03.300 law

00:37:03.740 clerks

00:37:04.060 they

00:37:04.200 think

00:37:04.460 that

00:37:04.600 are

00:37:04.680 writing

00:37:04.900 the

00:37:05.060 opinions

00:37:05.440 maybe

00:37:06.240 you

00:37:06.440 could

00:37:06.600 argue

00:37:06.840 that

00:37:07.060 for

00:37:07.240 a

00:37:07.400 term

00:37:07.600 or

00:37:07.740 two

00:37:07.920 but

00:37:08.100 at

00:37:08.220 this

00:37:08.420 point

00:37:08.780 over

00:37:10.060 three

00:37:10.460 decades

00:37:11.020 there

00:37:11.300 is

00:37:11.460 a

00:37:11.580 consistent

00:37:12.300 thread

00:37:12.920 of a

00:37:13.260 unified

00:37:13.660 view

00:37:14.160 and

00:37:14.300 understanding

00:37:15.020 a

00:37:15.740 depth

00:37:16.420 and

00:37:16.720 scholarly

00:37:17.600 gravitas

00:37:19.160 that

00:37:19.520 Justice

00:37:19.840 Thomas

00:37:20.220 has

00:37:20.480 brought

00:37:20.800 and

00:37:21.820 I

00:37:22.080 gotta

00:37:22.220 say

00:37:22.480 Mark

00:37:22.760 oddly

00:37:23.240 enough

00:37:23.700 the

00:37:24.160 left

00:37:24.460 particularly

00:37:24.860 the

00:37:25.060 legal

00:37:25.280 academy

00:37:25.760 have

00:37:27.000 been

00:37:27.220 forced

00:37:27.760 to

00:37:27.980 pay

00:37:28.220 him

00:37:28.420 a

00:37:28.540 backhanded

00:37:29.040 compliment

00:37:29.500 because

00:37:29.880 you

00:37:30.100 don't

00:37:30.560 see

00:37:30.860 them

00:37:31.100 attacking

00:37:31.540 him

00:37:31.800 anymore

00:37:32.320 as

00:37:33.660 not

00:37:33.960 up to

00:37:34.260 the

00:37:34.400 job

00:37:34.720 not

00:37:34.960 bright

00:37:35.300 enough

00:37:35.620 they

00:37:35.840 did

00:37:36.220 for

00:37:36.420 years

00:37:36.800 say

00:37:37.040 well

00:37:37.300 he

00:37:37.440 just

00:37:37.660 follows

00:37:38.040 Scalia

00:37:38.460 Scalia

00:37:39.240 is

00:37:39.400 no

00:37:39.560 longer

00:37:39.840 with

00:37:40.140 us

00:37:40.320 and

00:37:40.480 Justice

00:37:40.820 Thomas

00:37:41.240 is

00:37:41.920 the

00:37:42.960 leader

00:37:43.460 of

00:37:43.960 the

00:37:44.140 more

00:37:44.360 conservative

00:37:44.900 justices

00:37:45.600 he

00:37:45.820 is

00:37:46.380 one

00:37:47.340 of

00:37:47.500 the

00:37:47.620 most

00:37:47.840 consequential

00:37:48.540 justices

00:37:49.140 to

00:37:49.300 have

00:37:49.420 ever

00:37:49.620 lived

00:37:49.960 and

00:37:50.120 now

00:37:50.480 the

00:37:50.700 left

00:37:50.920 just

00:37:51.200 says

00:37:51.520 he's

00:37:52.140 dangerous

00:37:52.800 that

00:37:53.860 in a

00:37:54.240 way

00:37:54.460 is

00:37:54.660 a

00:37:54.780 concession

00:37:55.300 because

00:37:55.680 it

00:37:55.900 is

00:37:56.060 acknowledging

00:37:56.760 the

00:37:57.940 power

00:37:58.520 of

00:37:58.800 his

00:37:59.060 ideas

00:37:59.680 but

00:38:00.800 they

00:38:01.040 nonetheless

00:38:01.680 visit

00:38:02.580 a

00:38:03.620 special

00:38:04.240 degree

00:38:04.700 of

00:38:04.940 hate

00:38:05.260 on

00:38:05.560 him

00:38:05.880 that

00:38:06.100 I

00:38:06.260 think

00:38:06.460 is

00:38:06.680 directly

00:38:07.420 related

00:38:08.020 to

00:38:08.840 his

00:38:09.140 race

00:38:09.660 and

00:38:10.000 the

00:38:10.660 view

00:38:11.100 Democrats

00:38:11.740 have

00:38:12.240 that

00:38:13.300 you

00:38:13.700 must

00:38:14.280 agree

00:38:14.760 with

00:38:15.060 them

00:38:15.480 if

00:38:16.660 you

00:38:16.800 happen

00:38:17.100 to

00:38:17.220 be

00:38:17.360 African

00:38:17.760 American

00:38:18.180 or

00:38:18.440 if

00:38:18.580 you

00:38:18.680 happen

00:38:18.860 to

00:38:18.980 be

00:38:19.100 Hispanic

00:38:19.520 Mark

00:38:20.380 I

00:38:20.540 want

00:38:20.660 to

00:38:20.740 ask

00:38:20.920 you

00:38:21.000 a

00:38:21.120 question

00:38:21.440 too

00:38:21.780 that

00:38:22.020 you

00:38:22.600 just

00:38:22.880 mentioned

00:38:23.260 Senator

00:38:23.620 and

00:38:23.960 that's

00:38:24.400 this

00:38:24.700 the

00:38:25.500 Supreme

00:38:25.920 Court

00:38:26.240 is a

00:38:26.560 tight

00:38:26.780 knit

00:38:26.920 group

00:38:27.280 a lot

00:38:27.900 of

00:38:28.020 times

00:38:28.520 you

00:38:29.020 will

00:38:29.400 see

00:38:29.720 justices

00:38:30.520 you

00:38:31.000 know

00:38:31.140 that

00:38:31.300 won't

00:38:31.540 necessarily

00:38:31.920 criticize

00:38:32.680 us

00:38:32.920 or

00:38:33.080 other

00:38:33.400 justices

00:38:33.880 you

00:38:34.500 know

00:38:34.700 publicly

00:38:35.440 why

00:38:36.680 is

00:38:36.940 it

00:38:37.060 on

00:38:37.220 an

00:38:37.340 issue

00:38:37.540 like

00:38:37.780 this

00:38:38.020 that

00:38:38.240 by

00:38:38.500 the

00:38:38.580 way

00:38:38.700 would

00:38:38.860 affect

00:38:39.220 I

00:38:39.380 would

00:38:39.480 assume

00:38:39.760 all

00:38:40.220 of

00:38:47.360 see

00:38:47.720 some

00:38:48.020 justices

00:38:48.520 come

00:38:48.780 out

00:38:49.000 and

00:38:49.120 say

00:38:49.480 hey

00:38:49.700 this

00:38:49.960 is

00:38:50.140 out

00:38:50.320 of

00:38:50.440 bounds

00:38:50.800 in

00:38:51.580 the

00:38:51.680 way

00:38:51.920 they're

00:38:52.260 treating

00:38:52.820 Justice

00:38:53.260 Thomas

00:38:53.540 are

00:38:53.720 they

00:38:53.880 going

00:38:54.200 to

00:38:54.260 say

00:38:54.440 hey

00:38:54.760 we'll

00:38:55.340 stay

00:38:55.600 out

00:38:55.760 of

00:38:55.820 this

00:38:55.960 if

00:38:56.100 you

00:38:56.260 guys

00:38:56.560 want

00:38:56.740 to

00:38:56.820 do

00:38:56.940 this

00:38:57.200 it's

00:38:57.380 on

00:38:57.600 you

00:38:57.880 well

00:39:01.260 I

00:39:01.380 think

00:39:01.540 the

00:39:01.680 attack

00:39:02.000 on

00:39:02.260 the

00:39:02.420 court

00:39:02.700 has

00:39:02.920 actually

00:39:03.260 galvanized

00:39:03.900 them

00:39:04.140 like

00:39:04.420 we've

00:39:04.640 never

00:39:04.800 seen

00:39:05.180 you

00:39:05.900 know

00:39:06.060 there'll

00:39:06.720 be

00:39:06.880 differences

00:39:07.340 on

00:39:07.680 their

00:39:07.820 opinions

00:39:08.260 but

00:39:08.580 you

00:39:08.980 just

00:39:09.160 saw

00:39:09.320 the

00:39:09.440 Chief

00:39:09.600 Justice

00:39:09.980 you

00:39:10.460 know

00:39:10.600 in my

00:39:10.960 view

00:39:11.080 give

00:39:11.240 a

00:39:11.360 stiff

00:39:11.580 arm

00:39:11.840 rightly

00:39:12.180 so

00:39:12.580 to

00:39:13.040 the

00:39:13.640 Judiciary

00:39:14.600 Committee

00:39:14.920 in terms

00:39:15.200 of

00:39:15.320 testifying

00:39:15.820 and

00:39:16.320 then

00:39:16.620 I

00:39:17.180 think

00:39:17.480 unprecedented

00:39:18.560 I don't

00:39:19.880 think

00:39:20.040 there's

00:39:20.200 ever

00:39:20.360 been

00:39:20.680 nine

00:39:21.340 justices

00:39:21.820 signing

00:39:22.220 the

00:39:22.740 ethics

00:39:23.060 opinion

00:39:23.500 the

00:39:24.300 statement

00:39:24.560 on

00:39:24.760 ethics

00:39:25.060 and

00:39:25.460 recusal

00:39:26.460 that

00:39:27.140 they

00:39:27.360 also

00:39:27.640 issued

00:39:28.080 so

00:39:28.300 I

00:39:28.440 think

00:39:28.600 there's

00:39:28.860 a

00:39:28.960 coming

00:39:29.200 together

00:39:29.700 that

00:39:30.920 they

00:39:31.080 realize

00:39:31.480 they're

00:39:31.720 under

00:39:31.980 assault

00:39:32.460 that

00:39:32.960 this

00:39:33.180 is

00:39:33.520 assault

00:39:34.680 on

00:39:34.900 the

00:39:35.040 institution

00:39:35.620 of the

00:39:35.980 Supreme

00:39:36.260 Court

00:39:36.540 and

00:39:36.680 that's

00:39:36.940 good

00:39:37.260 for

00:39:37.460 no

00:39:37.760 one

00:39:38.040 and

00:39:39.060 so

00:39:39.460 you

00:39:40.920 know

00:39:41.060 I

00:39:41.320 think

00:39:42.300 it's

00:39:42.500 going

00:39:42.620 to

00:39:42.740 backfire

00:39:43.280 on

00:39:43.540 the

00:39:43.660 left

00:39:43.920 this

00:39:44.200 attack

00:39:44.660 that

00:39:45.180 the

00:39:45.340 left

00:39:45.520 always

00:39:45.820 you

00:39:46.140 know

00:39:46.200 they

00:39:46.320 do

00:39:46.480 this

00:39:46.660 a lot

00:39:47.120 but

00:39:48.040 they

00:39:48.780 are

00:39:48.880 going

00:39:49.140 after

00:39:49.400 every

00:39:49.700 justice

00:39:50.080 they're

00:39:50.360 particularly

00:39:50.880 hate

00:39:51.540 Justice

00:39:52.000 Thomas

00:39:52.580 as you

00:39:53.000 said

00:39:53.280 Senator

00:39:53.860 I

00:39:54.400 think

00:39:54.640 it's

00:39:54.840 in

00:39:55.000 part

00:39:55.300 right

00:39:55.620 he's

00:39:56.000 been

00:39:56.120 so

00:39:56.360 successful

00:39:56.960 they

00:39:57.160 tried

00:39:57.460 to

00:39:57.660 destroy

00:39:58.160 him

00:39:58.380 in

00:39:58.500 91

00:39:58.900 I

00:39:59.400 lived

00:39:59.660 through

00:39:59.840 I

00:39:59.960 went

00:40:00.120 through

00:40:00.280 that

00:40:00.460 with

00:40:00.660 him

00:40:00.900 but

00:40:01.360 he's

00:40:01.940 now

00:40:02.260 ascendant

00:40:02.940 right

00:40:03.140 he is

00:40:03.500 the

00:40:03.660 leader

00:40:03.880 of

00:40:04.100 the

00:40:04.240 court

00:40:04.500 after

00:40:04.840 30

00:40:05.280 years

00:40:05.780 right

00:40:06.300 set

00:40:06.640 more

00:40:06.840 than

00:40:07.000 700

00:40:07.580 opinions

00:40:08.060 as you

00:40:08.420 said

00:40:08.620 he writes

00:40:08.900 more

00:40:09.160 opinions

00:40:09.540 per year

00:40:09.960 than

00:40:10.120 any

00:40:10.440 justice

00:40:10.840 on the

00:40:11.520 court

00:40:11.820 and

00:40:12.260 has

00:40:12.520 for

00:40:12.660 many

00:40:12.880 years

00:40:13.280 and

00:40:14.740 and

00:40:15.780 the

00:40:15.900 other

00:40:16.060 thing

00:40:16.380 right

00:40:16.680 and

00:40:17.060 as

00:40:17.200 you

00:40:17.280 said

00:40:17.500 one

00:40:17.680 of

00:40:17.760 the

00:40:17.900 one

00:40:18.120 legal

00:40:18.400 commentator

00:40:18.940 a

00:40:19.400 left

00:40:19.620 wing

00:40:19.820 commentator

00:40:20.380 said

00:40:20.580 Justice

00:40:20.880 Thomas

00:40:21.280 is

00:40:21.740 the

00:40:21.880 most

00:40:22.060 important

00:40:22.520 legal

00:40:22.820 thinker

00:40:23.200 of

00:40:23.300 the

00:40:23.420 generation

00:40:23.980 and

00:40:24.520 the

00:40:24.620 most

00:40:24.840 significant

00:40:25.500 judicial

00:40:25.920 appointment

00:40:26.260 of

00:40:26.440 the

00:40:26.540 last

00:40:26.780 40

00:40:27.100 years

00:40:27.460 that's

00:40:27.720 Ian

00:40:28.180 Millheiser

00:40:28.660 from

00:40:29.580 Vox

00:40:30.180 right

00:40:30.420 who's

00:40:30.740 no

00:40:30.980 fan

00:40:31.260 of

00:40:31.660 the

00:40:31.780 justice

00:40:32.060 but

00:40:32.320 realizes

00:40:32.800 his

00:40:33.220 influence

00:40:34.260 and

00:40:34.840 more

00:40:35.020 importantly

00:40:35.480 or

00:40:35.740 as

00:40:35.940 importantly

00:40:36.360 his

00:40:36.980 clerks

00:40:37.680 his army

00:40:38.160 of

00:40:38.360 clerks

00:40:38.720 and

00:40:39.060 Senator

00:40:39.300 you

00:40:39.480 know

00:40:39.660 this

00:40:39.880 right

00:40:40.440 they

00:40:40.720 have

00:40:40.840 gone

00:40:41.080 out

00:40:41.240 into

00:40:41.400 the

00:40:41.560 world

00:40:41.720 there

00:40:41.880 are

00:40:42.020 15

00:40:42.640 judges

00:40:43.640 I

00:40:43.840 think

00:40:43.960 15

00:40:44.320 judges

00:40:44.580 on

00:40:44.800 courts

00:40:45.060 of

00:40:45.220 appeals

00:40:45.480 and

00:40:45.640 other

00:40:45.800 courts

00:40:46.220 that

00:40:46.740 are

00:40:46.960 the

00:40:48.300 next

00:40:48.580 generation

00:40:49.160 he

00:40:49.600 has

00:40:49.760 solicitors

00:40:54.840 he argued

00:40:55.520 the

00:40:55.700 Dobbs

00:40:56.000 case

00:40:56.300 he

00:40:56.700 has

00:40:56.980 law

00:40:57.360 clerks

00:40:57.660 who

00:40:57.800 are

00:40:57.960 representing

00:40:58.740 the

00:40:59.680 plan

00:41:02.140 against

00:41:02.700 Harvard

00:41:03.720 and

00:41:03.940 the

00:41:04.020 affirmative

00:41:05.380 action

00:41:05.720 cases

00:41:06.060 his

00:41:06.600 clerks

00:41:07.060 are

00:41:07.300 changing

00:41:07.840 the

00:41:08.040 face

00:41:08.280 of

00:41:08.420 American

00:41:08.720 jurisprudence

00:41:09.380 from

00:41:09.980 his

00:41:10.620 ideas

00:41:11.260 and

00:41:11.640 from

00:41:11.800 his

00:41:12.040 example

00:41:12.520 of

00:41:13.060 courage

00:41:13.640 to

00:41:13.880 go

00:41:14.100 out

00:41:14.320 there

00:41:14.560 and

00:41:15.020 change

00:41:15.500 the

00:41:15.700 world

00:41:16.140 and

00:41:16.780 change

00:41:17.180 the

00:41:17.640 legal

00:41:18.980 status

00:41:19.400 quo

00:41:19.720 and

00:41:20.180 that's

00:41:20.460 what

00:41:20.620 really

00:41:21.160 enrages

00:41:21.780 the

00:41:22.040 left

00:41:22.300 is

00:41:22.480 that

00:41:22.600 he's

00:41:22.840 successful

00:41:23.400 and

00:41:23.860 they've

00:41:24.060 taken

00:41:24.240 all

00:41:24.840 at

00:41:25.020 him

00:41:25.240 and

00:41:25.680 he's

00:41:26.040 not

00:41:26.780 bowed

00:41:27.240 ever

00:41:27.560 to

00:41:28.000 these

00:41:28.200 attacks

00:41:28.640 and

00:41:29.100 he's

00:41:29.920 only

00:41:30.080 74

00:41:30.640 years

00:41:30.920 old

00:41:31.220 which

00:41:32.840 is

00:41:33.140 amazing

00:41:34.800 another

00:41:35.960 decade

00:41:36.540 on the

00:41:37.400 court

00:41:37.580 maybe

00:41:37.840 more

00:41:38.180 and

00:41:39.460 so

00:41:40.380 that's

00:41:40.720 why

00:41:40.880 they're

00:41:41.100 attacking

00:41:41.460 him

00:41:41.640 I think

00:41:41.840 that's

00:41:42.080 why

00:41:42.460 there's

00:41:42.800 this

00:41:42.940 fury

00:41:43.380 and

00:41:43.900 these

00:41:44.040 other

00:41:44.240 justices

00:41:44.760 who

00:41:45.760 look up

00:41:46.080 to

00:41:46.220 Justice

00:41:46.520 Thomas

00:41:46.880 I

00:41:47.920 helped

00:41:48.140 out

00:41:48.320 on

00:41:48.440 the

00:41:48.520 Gorsuch

00:41:48.780 confirmation

00:41:49.240 and

00:41:50.060 you

00:41:50.320 saw

00:41:50.680 an

00:41:51.500 email

00:41:51.780 that

00:41:51.980 was

00:41:52.140 revealed

00:41:52.540 at

00:41:52.840 the

00:41:52.940 Department

00:41:53.240 of

00:41:53.420 Justice

00:41:53.660 where

00:41:53.980 Neil

00:41:54.400 Vorsuch

00:41:54.720 was

00:41:54.920 emailing

00:41:55.400 with

00:41:55.560 Greg

00:41:55.800 Cassis

00:41:56.220 who's

00:41:56.520 on

00:41:56.620 the

00:41:56.720 D.C.

00:41:57.020 Circuit

00:41:57.200 talking

00:41:57.780 about

00:41:58.120 Justice

00:41:58.500 Thomas'

00:41:59.280 dissent

00:41:59.700 in

00:41:59.920 Kila

00:42:00.220 and what

00:42:01.020 a

00:42:01.160 magnificent

00:42:01.680 opinion

00:42:02.140 it was

00:42:04.260 and so

00:42:04.700 it's

00:42:04.840 this

00:42:04.960 effect

00:42:05.420 on

00:42:05.660 these

00:42:05.880 younger

00:42:06.380 justices

00:42:06.900 I think

00:42:07.320 that's

00:42:10.040 shaping

00:42:10.400 this

00:42:10.680 court

00:42:10.980 that's

00:42:11.440 providing

00:42:11.820 the

00:42:12.180 strength

00:42:12.820 and

00:42:13.000 courage

00:42:13.340 for

00:42:13.480 these

00:42:13.620 guys

00:42:13.820 both

00:42:14.120 to do

00:42:14.520 bold

00:42:15.940 jurisprudence

00:42:16.740 and also

00:42:17.400 personal

00:42:17.800 courage

00:42:18.240 in this

00:42:18.540 attack

00:42:18.780 and I

00:42:19.000 think it

00:42:19.200 was

00:42:19.300 significant

00:42:19.820 I think

00:42:20.380 it's

00:42:20.600 a dear

00:42:21.200 anniversary

00:42:21.620 of this

00:42:21.960 leak

00:42:22.200 that none

00:42:22.860 of the

00:42:23.080 justices

00:42:23.560 backed off

00:42:24.440 that opinion

00:42:24.920 and I think

00:42:25.420 that was

00:42:25.780 significant

00:42:26.280 that you

00:42:27.280 know

00:42:27.420 unprecedented

00:42:28.300 leak

00:42:28.800 but nobody

00:42:30.360 moved

00:42:30.940 and I think

00:42:31.880 they showed

00:42:33.040 courage under

00:42:34.100 fire and I think

00:42:35.020 that's significant

00:42:35.640 going forward

00:42:36.320 I want to ask

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00:42:38.240 of both you

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00:43:56.440 Senator I

00:43:57.560 want to get

00:43:58.600 you guys take

00:43:59.540 on this and

00:44:00.280 Mark many

00:44:01.760 people that

00:44:02.240 listen to this

00:44:03.040 podcast they

00:44:03.900 listen because

00:44:04.640 they want to be

00:44:05.520 involved they

00:44:06.180 don't want to

00:44:06.800 just listen and

00:44:08.200 walk away they

00:44:09.080 want to be active

00:44:10.160 participants in the

00:44:11.160 process and they

00:44:12.280 want to make a

00:44:12.900 difference for

00:44:13.940 their country

00:44:14.580 what can they

00:44:15.740 do to help

00:44:16.480 Justice Thomas

00:44:17.200 when it comes

00:44:18.480 to what's

00:44:18.960 happening today

00:44:19.520 in DC

00:44:19.880 well let me

00:44:20.860 say several

00:44:21.360 things first

00:44:22.020 of all they

00:44:23.360 can share this

00:44:23.960 podcast you

00:44:25.380 know what is

00:44:25.880 guaranteed that

00:44:27.640 the corrupt

00:44:28.220 corporate media is

00:44:29.120 not going to

00:44:29.520 discuss this

00:44:30.080 facts they

00:44:30.980 don't want to

00:44:31.360 discuss these

00:44:31.900 facts they

00:44:32.420 are active

00:44:33.160 participants in

00:44:34.480 the political

00:44:35.140 campaign trying

00:44:36.900 to drive Justice

00:44:38.100 Thomas off the

00:44:38.860 court and by

00:44:39.340 the way there

00:44:40.320 is a precedent

00:44:40.980 you look at

00:44:41.640 Abe Fortas who

00:44:42.500 was a sitting

00:44:43.040 justice of the

00:44:43.760 Supreme Court

00:44:44.460 and there was a

00:44:46.560 scandal that came

00:44:47.360 out a financial

00:44:48.120 scandal that came

00:44:49.020 out and Abe

00:44:49.620 Fortas resigned

00:44:50.540 from the court

00:44:51.200 and the left

00:44:52.960 is looking to

00:44:53.760 that example

00:44:55.440 and they want to

00:44:56.160 replicate it with

00:44:56.980 Justice Thomas

00:44:57.660 they hate him

00:44:58.580 and they want him

00:44:59.300 off the court

00:45:00.000 because he is

00:45:01.360 such an effective

00:45:02.800 justice and so

00:45:04.700 the media is

00:45:06.720 they're demonizing

00:45:08.980 Justice Thomas

00:45:09.640 they're demonizing

00:45:10.400 Harlan Crowe and

00:45:11.220 Harlan Crowe is a

00:45:12.200 good and decent

00:45:12.960 man he's a very

00:45:13.780 generous philanthropist

00:45:15.080 they're trying to

00:45:16.540 attack him as some

00:45:17.820 nefarious right-wing

00:45:19.320 billionaire by the

00:45:20.060 way one of the

00:45:20.680 slanders they direct

00:45:21.820 at Harlan Crowe is

00:45:23.280 they say oh he

00:45:23.920 collects Nazi

00:45:25.200 memorabilia so

00:45:27.040 Harlan's home is

00:45:28.580 essentially a museum

00:45:29.800 and he hosts events

00:45:31.080 in Dallas all the

00:45:32.540 time there are all

00:45:33.240 sorts of public and

00:45:33.940 community events

00:45:34.620 there and he has

00:45:35.520 hundreds probably

00:45:37.700 thousands of

00:45:38.680 artifacts he has

00:45:39.620 lots of artifacts

00:45:40.480 from World War II

00:45:42.140 he has actually

00:45:42.920 outside his home

00:45:44.060 a whole series of

00:45:46.720 statues that were

00:45:48.920 erected to

00:45:49.940 communist leaders

00:45:50.920 and that were

00:45:51.420 toppled when those

00:45:52.260 countries became

00:45:53.020 liberated they were

00:45:54.680 statues that were

00:45:55.520 toppled and he's

00:45:56.580 collected them and

00:45:57.400 erected them not

00:45:58.140 because he admires

00:45:59.340 communist leaders but

00:46:00.760 because he wants the

00:46:03.040 world not to forget

00:46:04.560 their horrors the same

00:46:06.080 is true with his

00:46:08.000 World War II

00:46:08.580 displays he has

00:46:09.340 lots of displays

00:46:10.820 with artifacts from

00:46:13.800 the allies the

00:46:14.500 American armies but

00:46:15.340 he also has

00:46:16.040 artifacts from the

00:46:17.460 bad guys from the

00:46:18.380 Nazis not because he

00:46:19.500 admires them but the

00:46:20.680 same reason that a

00:46:21.520 museum displays what

00:46:23.280 happened so that we

00:46:24.320 remember our history

00:46:25.340 but the media doesn't

00:46:26.800 want to tell you that

00:46:27.600 they want to paint him

00:46:28.860 like some comic book

00:46:30.020 villain twirling his

00:46:32.480 mustache and just

00:46:34.920 remember nobody in

00:46:37.340 the media is engaged

00:46:39.440 in any research

00:46:40.420 trying to do an

00:46:42.100 expose of any of the

00:46:43.820 left-wing justices

00:46:44.940 Clarence Thomas as I

00:46:46.740 said has 109

00:46:49.760 reported trips

00:46:50.760 Justice Breyer had

00:46:54.040 233 reported trips so

00:46:56.920 nearly so more than

00:46:58.600 twice as many and it's

00:47:00.700 worth noting if you say

00:47:01.840 well okay but but but

00:47:03.540 there's not the

00:47:04.300 nefarious billionaire

00:47:05.300 well actually Justice

00:47:07.200 Breyer had multiple

00:47:08.460 trips that were

00:47:09.920 supported by the

00:47:10.920 Chicago-based Pritzker

00:47:12.300 family very wealthy

00:47:13.800 billionaires Democrats

00:47:16.420 actually Pritzker is the

00:47:18.000 sitting governor the

00:47:19.180 Democrat governor of

00:47:20.260 Illinois and and

00:47:21.160 Justice Breyer took

00:47:22.060 multiple trips supported

00:47:24.180 by the Pritzker family

00:47:25.260 not only that in 2013

00:47:27.460 Justice Breyer flew on

00:47:29.540 hedge fund manager

00:47:30.620 David Rubenstein's

00:47:31.540 private jet to a

00:47:34.140 wedding in Nantucket

00:47:35.160 because they're trying

00:47:35.700 to say well it's

00:47:36.440 different because

00:47:37.420 Justice Thomas wanted a

00:47:38.560 private jet well so did

00:47:39.940 Justice Breyer and and

00:47:41.100 let me be clear because I

00:47:42.920 don't want what I'm

00:47:43.620 saying here to be

00:47:44.360 misconstrued I am not

00:47:46.860 suggesting that any of

00:47:48.360 the justices are corrupt

00:47:50.160 I'm not suggesting

00:47:51.440 Justice Breyer is or

00:47:52.620 Justice Ginsburg or

00:47:53.940 Justice Kagan or

00:47:54.780 Justice Sotomayor all of

00:47:56.960 them were following the

00:47:58.220 rules that were in place

00:47:59.480 but so was Justice

00:48:01.000 Thomas and the left

00:48:03.920 and their cronies in

00:48:05.360 the media are happy to

00:48:07.320 apply a standard to

00:48:08.760 Justice Thomas that

00:48:10.160 doesn't apply to any

00:48:11.820 other justice and if

00:48:15.280 you want to have a rule

00:48:16.300 apply it to everyone but

00:48:17.860 don't make up a rule

00:48:19.060 after the fact and then

00:48:21.420 pretend the guy you hate

00:48:23.640 is the only person that

00:48:25.560 violated the rule that

00:48:26.780 did not exist that's what

00:48:28.320 the Democrats are doing

00:48:29.460 that's what the media is

00:48:31.020 doing and so your

00:48:31.900 question Ben what can

00:48:33.600 you do make sure people

00:48:35.580 know these facts because

00:48:36.880 if you listen to the

00:48:38.620 rhetoric today at the

00:48:40.140 hearing and judiciary

00:48:41.080 Democrats are going to

00:48:43.240 describe Justice Thomas

00:48:44.760 as corrupt because he

00:48:47.620 did the same things that

00:48:50.580 the other justices have

00:48:51.740 done over and over and

00:48:53.700 over again and that is

00:48:55.800 fundamentally dishonest

00:48:57.100 mark your thoughts yeah

00:49:00.280 I completely agree the

00:49:02.260 gaslighting and we saw

00:49:03.540 this going back to last

00:49:04.800 year with Justice Thomas

00:49:05.900 and his wife Ginny right

00:49:07.300 where Ginny has her own

00:49:08.220 career she's been in the

00:49:09.720 political square for many

00:49:10.680 many years and yet when

00:49:12.040 she speaks out an issue

00:49:13.160 Justice Thomas has to

00:49:14.420 has to recuse himself and

00:49:16.260 he should be impeached if

00:49:17.880 he doesn't do that when in

00:49:19.060 fact as you know Ruth

00:49:20.440 Bader Ginsburg's husband

00:49:21.920 was at a firm and his firm

00:49:23.700 appeared many times before

00:49:25.000 the Supreme Court and she

00:49:25.940 never recused herself and

00:49:27.080 nobody said a word so

00:49:28.660 there's all of these

00:49:29.980 examples like that

00:49:31.260 Senator of you know the

00:49:33.040 double standard as you

00:49:34.280 said you know I'm at at

00:49:36.960 Mark Paoletta on Twitter I

00:49:38.460 write a lot I have a lot of

00:49:39.780 fact-filled articles I just

00:49:41.060 wrote one today was published

00:49:43.760 today on a national review

00:49:45.300 about the sale of Justice

00:49:48.420 Thomas's mother's home to

00:49:50.060 Harlan Crow which was a

00:49:51.760 beautiful story actually that

00:49:53.300 the vicious media has turned

00:49:55.580 into somehow Clarence Thomas

00:49:57.340 being enriched that Harlan

00:49:58.680 So tell us that story

00:50:00.200 because that's another

00:50:01.020 attack that's out there and

00:50:02.460 tell people what happened so

00:50:03.760 they can actually understand

00:50:04.780 the facts

00:50:05.300 Sure so Harlan Crow you know

00:50:09.660 has got this great

00:50:10.400 friendship with Clarence

00:50:11.340 Thomas but he recognizes that

00:50:12.800 this man is an American hero

00:50:14.800 that he represents the best of

00:50:16.440 America so over the years

00:50:18.140 Harlan's been down and he's

00:50:20.060 gone down there he's had

00:50:21.060 dinner with Justice Thomas's

00:50:23.720 family with his mother in his

00:50:25.180 mother's home this is the

00:50:26.820 home that she lives in which

00:50:27.860 is his grandfather's where

00:50:29.440 Justice Thomas moved when he

00:50:31.820 was seven and his life was

00:50:32.900 transformed from this abject

00:50:34.340 poverty of growing up in

00:50:36.200 pinpoint and then into

00:50:37.700 Savannah with his mom in a

00:50:39.940 one tenement into this

00:50:41.880 humble but solid home in

00:50:44.980 Savannah and she's living

00:50:46.860 there now but Harlan had

00:50:48.400 renovated the Carnegie Library

00:50:50.400 which was during segregation

00:50:52.080 the all black you know

00:50:53.020 library in Savannah where

00:50:55.500 Clarence Thomas first learned

00:50:56.700 to kind of love reading and he

00:50:58.880 gave a donation to renovate it

00:51:01.400 and name a wing after Justice

00:51:02.520 Thomas nothing ran to Justice

00:51:04.100 Thomas in that regard there was

00:51:06.620 a oyster and crab factory which

00:51:10.940 was in pinpoint which Clarence

00:51:12.560 Thomas grew up right next to and

00:51:15.840 and Harlan renovated that into a

00:51:18.600 museum so he's down there in 2014

00:51:21.380 and he's near his mom's neighbor in

00:51:23.620 the neighborhood and he sees that

00:51:25.520 it's it's it's a lot of drug

00:51:28.760 dealers and just you know just a

00:51:31.660 bad place not safe and Harlan asked

00:51:36.080 Justice Thomas what are you going to

00:51:38.220 do with this home when your mom

00:51:39.720 passes and her his mom at the time

00:51:42.240 was 85 and Justice Thomas said I'm

00:51:44.300 going to bulldoze it and and Harlan

00:51:46.300 said that would be terrible like this

00:51:48.640 should be a museum so he wanted to

00:51:51.280 buy it in order to preserve it and

00:51:55.140 you know at the time he talked to

00:51:57.420 Justice Thomas but he didn't know

00:51:58.720 that Justice Thomas even owned an

00:52:00.080 interest in it the house had passed

00:52:02.000 from his grandfather when his

00:52:03.180 grandfather died in 84 through his

00:52:05.420 mother his brother who passed away in

00:52:07.520 2000 so his brother's estate now and

00:52:11.420 and his mother and Harlan Crowe's team

00:52:15.700 he's in real estate he's a developer

00:52:17.960 looked at the fair market value and

00:52:21.920 offered a price of 133 for that home

00:52:24.260 plus two other plots lots that used to

00:52:27.760 have homes on them that his

00:52:29.680 grandfather owned their one one house

00:52:32.120 over on the same street so they entered

00:52:34.900 into a you know a contract and in in

00:52:38.800 the and part of that contract was to

00:52:41.380 give a life occupancy agreement to

00:52:45.080 Justice Thomas's mother so she could

00:52:47.180 live there for the rest of her life

00:52:49.340 she's you know fortunately still living

00:52:51.640 at 94 but at 85 had entered into this

00:52:54.300 contract to purchase the home this way

00:52:56.220 he could own the property so that he

00:52:58.880 could preserve it and it wouldn't be

00:53:00.340 sold to somebody else it wouldn't bulldoze

00:53:02.120 it was a beautiful story when he bought

00:53:06.040 the crab and oyster factory the cannery

00:53:10.520 several years earlier the people who

00:53:13.840 owned that Harlan wanted to buy that

00:53:16.600 too to be able to preserve it so he

00:53:18.280 gave them a life occupancy agreement in

00:53:21.460 in that home so it's the same thing

00:53:23.740 people are saying oh you know they're

00:53:25.660 letting Harlan Crowe is letting his

00:53:27.440 mother live there rent-free there's

00:53:28.920 nothing of the sort it was an agreement

00:53:30.740 that made a lot of sense so Harlan could

00:53:32.660 buy the property to preserve it and

00:53:35.480 then allow his mom to live there

00:53:36.600 because he's in no rush he just wanted

00:53:38.040 to have this home so that he could

00:53:39.940 he you know he can preserve it and

00:53:42.340 make it into a museum at the

00:53:43.420 appropriate time beautiful story now

00:53:46.540 when Justice Thomas had you know in

00:53:48.540 supporting his mother and and helping

00:53:51.900 her with the home down there he had

00:53:53.260 poured a lot of money into this home

00:53:54.680 and so his capital costs and the

00:53:57.060 improvements to the home were such

00:53:58.960 that one that when the transaction

00:54:00.580 happened and Justice Thomas only got a

00:54:02.500 third of that 133 so it's around 40

00:54:06.220 44 thousand dollars his capital costs

00:54:10.180 were above that and so when he was

00:54:13.600 doing the you know thinking about this

00:54:15.660 transaction he thought it's a loss

00:54:17.560 that's not income for me so I'm not

00:54:20.020 reporting any income on it but then

00:54:24.180 there's this section that's called

00:54:25.700 transactions called the it's called

00:54:27.580 investments and trusts on the form and I

00:54:31.340 think he inherited this home and years

00:54:33.120 ago hadn't really thought of it as a

00:54:34.960 investment or trust and didn't put down

00:54:37.960 on that part of the form it says any

00:54:39.640 transaction over a thousand dollars so

00:54:41.720 on that part he didn't put it down

00:54:43.540 there because he thought I didn't make

00:54:44.820 any money I'm thinking of that section

00:54:46.760 and didn't put it down I think he's

00:54:49.760 reviewing his forms and he's

00:54:51.300 anticipated I think to to amend that

00:54:53.600 part of the form but that's nothing

00:54:55.600 amendments happen all the time right as

00:54:59.180 you as you mentioned Senator justices

00:55:02.240 amend their forms because they realize

00:55:03.780 they did something they need to amend it

00:55:05.500 Justice Sotomayor in last year amended

00:55:10.240 her 2016 form for because she failed to

00:55:13.120 list six trips that she had taken that

00:55:15.460 were all paid for you know flights and

00:55:17.200 and and accommodations Justice Jackson

00:55:21.500 forgot to mention got to disclose her

00:55:24.520 husband's malpractice consulting fees for

00:55:27.320 many years on her forms and she put that

00:55:29.800 down belatedly on her Supreme Court forms

00:55:33.040 so nothing unusual to do that so so again

00:55:37.380 that it was this transaction where you know

00:55:40.040 Harlan Crowe because as you've described

00:55:42.320 and he's an incredible patriot he is in

00:55:45.160 and sort of preserving the Clarence Thomas

00:55:48.240 story right this amazing and I won't go

00:55:51.220 through it you did a beautiful job in the

00:55:53.000 intro of where Justice Thomas was born and

00:55:55.920 how he came you know sort of came through

00:55:58.220 life it's just this inspiring story and so

00:56:01.340 Harlan has over the years long before he

00:56:04.200 he purchased Justice Thomas's mother's

00:56:06.340 home had purchased several things in the

00:56:09.600 Savannah pinpoint area to preserve this

00:56:11.840 heritage and and the life story of Justice

00:56:14.440 Thomas so so let me underscore two things

00:56:17.520 you said because I think that there was a

00:56:18.980 lot of very important information you said

00:56:20.920 number one that that Harlan Crowe purchased

00:56:25.520 this home in order to preserve it in order

00:56:30.140 to turn it into a museum now if you think

00:56:32.660 about it there are museums to practically

00:56:36.660 every former president of the United States

00:56:39.140 there are museums to Supreme Court justices

00:56:42.640 there are museums to senators and members of

00:56:45.160 Congress there are museums to governors

00:56:46.840 we normally think of erecting museums to

00:56:50.280 recognize people who have been historically

00:56:52.220 significant as a public service as

00:56:55.340 recognizing their impact by any measure

00:56:58.780 Clarence Thomas's life has been historically

00:57:01.560 significant you also take this home in the

00:57:04.640 context Justice Thomas's autobiography is

00:57:07.000 entitled my grandfather's son it's a beautiful

00:57:09.480 autobiography I have actually given Justice Thomas's

00:57:13.560 autobiography to teenagers in particular to

00:57:17.480 African-American teenagers to inspire what is

00:57:25.060 possible the journey that he traveled facing

00:57:29.060 real and serious discrimination facing real and

00:57:32.780 serious hardship and rising to the very pinnacle

00:57:36.480 of the legal profession is is powerful and inspiring

00:57:42.060 it's inspiring to all of us and and so you know I for

00:57:45.860 one am grateful that that Harlan is stepping forward to

00:57:49.940 commemorate that history to to to provide for a museum

00:57:54.380 but but it is a fairly bizarre concept that by by creating a

00:58:00.140 museum there's somehow something untoward or corrupt on that

00:58:04.880 particularly a museum where Justice Thomas lost money

00:58:07.780 and and the sort of related notion that well but Harlan

00:58:12.580 Crowe didn't evict his 94 year old mother from the home if

00:58:16.480 you're going to turn it into a museum you know what he

00:58:20.440 might have been the mustache twirling villain if he'd thrown

00:58:23.800 the 94 year old out and said sorry you're on the street lady good

00:58:27.080 luck like like it's not a strange notion to say we're going to buy

00:58:31.920 this and turn it into a museum but we're going to allow you to

00:58:34.320 live in your home and until the time comes that you pass that

00:58:37.240 that is a a normal step and then so the one the one little

00:58:43.400 attack they have that has a tiny purchase is is you said that

00:58:47.220 that well technically he he should have reported it now I

00:58:51.460 will note as you did Supreme Court justices amend their

00:58:56.060 disclosures all the time I will tell you as a senator I have

00:58:59.900 to file a financial disclosure every year every senator does every

00:59:04.000 house member does the directions on those financial

00:59:07.620 disclosures are complicated they're arcane there's a whole

00:59:10.860 team of lawyers in the senate who advise you and so you'll have a

00:59:15.440 question about a particular transaction how do I record it and

00:59:18.340 by the way that team of lawyers sometimes changes their mind so one

00:59:22.400 year they'll tell you to record a particular transaction one way and the

00:59:26.200 next year they say no no no we've decided you record it another way and so

00:59:29.220 it it is arcane there's a lot of gray area and so justices and justices also

00:59:36.040 have lawyers at the Supreme Court who advise them on that Justice Thomas has

00:59:40.540 said he relied on the advice of the lawyers at the Supreme Court for how to

00:59:44.740 fill out his form and if it is the argument of the left that amending your

00:59:50.840 form shows aha you did something wrong or corrupt I'm willing to wager

00:59:55.440 something I can't prove this but you could actually research it and find out

00:59:59.720 the answer pretty quick but I'll wager you 20 bucks Ben that every single

01:00:06.260 Democrat on the Judiciary Committee who has been on the committee five years or

01:00:10.780 more has amended their form at least once I was gonna bet you that but I was

01:00:15.440 gonna go for a hundred because that's how that's how certain I was that what

01:00:19.420 you're about to say is absolutely right because like there's no way they

01:00:21.980 haven't been amended yeah look maybe the brand new members haven't done it yet

01:00:25.740 because they haven't been there long enough but if you've been there five

01:00:28.700 years look amendments are just part of the process and it's complicated it's

01:00:32.880 Byzantine and I'm not saying that the senators who've amended their forms are

01:00:37.020 corrupt but it is absurd to demonize Clarence Thomas because a museum is being

01:00:47.040 erected in order to recognize his historical contribution and if that's

01:00:53.320 corrupt you know last I checked there's an Obama museum last I checked there's a

01:00:59.780 Bill Clinton museum the standard by the way Thurgood Marshall's childhood home is

01:01:08.140 preserved as a museum the standard ought to apply across the board fairly and all of

01:01:15.640 this attack is a nakedly hypocritical political attack it is not a a

01:01:22.140 substantive criticism on the merits no doubt about it don't forget as the

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - May 02, 2023

The Clarence Thomas Political Smear： All the Facts You Need To Know to Understand The Left's Dishonest Attacks

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