Western Standard - November 17, 2023


Churchill was a war criminal


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2 minutes

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667

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109

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Rabbi Shmuley and Rabbi Shrader argue over whether or not Winston Churchill was a war criminal. Rabbi Shmuel argues that Churchill did not deserve collective punishment for the Nazi's indiscriminate killing of civilians in World War II.

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00:00:00.000 As Rabbi Shmuley correctly said about what Churchill did in World War II.
00:00:03.980 Churchill was wrong. Churchill was wrong.
00:00:05.800 Was he a war criminal? Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Churchill was a war criminal.
00:00:08.000 Yes, he was. Churchill was a war criminal.
00:00:09.320 For all the British people, Churchill was a war criminal.
00:00:11.600 And George VI? Was George VI a war criminal?
00:00:13.540 All of them war criminals. 0.90
00:00:14.560 Yes, of course.
00:00:16.460 Hang on, hang on. Rabbi Shmuley, let me ask you, let me get this straight.
00:00:20.420 Absolutely. Collective punishment.
00:00:21.700 You think Winston Churchill was a war criminal, yes.
00:00:23.920 In standing up to the Nazis, who killed 12 million people,
00:00:28.260 I believe he was a war criminal. That by doing what he did was a war criminal.
00:00:31.020 By killing in Dresden and Hamburg.
00:00:32.760 By indiscriminate killing. Collective punishment.
00:00:35.480 My morality says that's impossible.
00:00:36.620 Okay, that means the British people who supported him and voted him in.
00:00:39.980 My morality says that's impossible.
00:00:40.940 Just a second, just a second.
00:00:41.680 That's what I believe.
00:00:42.160 But the British people.
00:00:43.180 You believe he was a war criminal?
00:00:44.440 Yes.
00:00:44.980 So therefore, your belief is that no retaliatory action.
00:00:49.500 No, you can retaliate to the man, not to the babies.
00:00:51.880 Tell me a war in history.
00:00:53.580 Yes.
00:00:54.180 Where civilians haven't been killed.
00:00:56.200 No, I'm not saying civilians haven't been killed.
00:00:57.860 Just war or otherwise?
00:00:59.200 It's about the ratio.
00:00:59.660 It's about the ratio.
00:01:00.080 What is the ratio?
00:01:00.440 What's the ratio?
00:01:01.180 100 to 100 is unacceptable.
00:01:02.060 What is the ratio?
00:01:02.760 100 to 100 is unacceptable.
00:01:03.580 100 to 100 is unacceptable.
00:01:03.600 100 to 100 is unacceptable.
00:01:03.620 100 to 100 is unacceptable.
00:01:04.140 100 to 100 is unacceptable.
00:01:04.740 Okay.
00:01:05.060 101 is an invention.
00:01:06.560 Rabbi Shrulli, so let me give you a ratio.
00:01:08.400 Yeah.
00:01:08.620 How many people did the Nazis kill?
00:01:10.540 I don't know.
00:01:11.380 You don't know.
00:01:11.920 We know they killed 6 million Jews. 0.94
00:01:13.660 They killed 12 million people.
00:01:14.620 I don't know.
00:01:14.980 We don't know.
00:01:15.280 They killed 6 million Jews.
00:01:16.460 Sure.
00:01:16.720 Right?
00:01:17.020 Sure.
00:01:17.280 So how many died in Dresden?
00:01:20.260 How many civilians died in Germany?
00:01:21.540 Do you know?
00:01:21.940 I don't know exactly.
00:01:22.560 Right.
00:01:22.720 So you don't actually know what you're talking about.
00:01:24.040 I do know what I'm talking about.
00:01:24.840 Because I know in Dresden and Hamburg.
00:01:26.540 You said it's about.
00:01:27.800 Nis, I'm wrong.
00:01:28.460 Yeah, go ahead.
00:01:28.940 Nis, I'm wrong.
00:01:29.460 You said it's to do with the.
00:01:31.020 Ratios.
00:01:31.480 The ratios.
00:01:31.920 Yes.
00:01:32.400 But you don't know the ratios.
00:01:33.760 No, no.
00:01:34.040 I know for a fact.
00:01:34.680 You call Winston Churchill a criminal.
00:01:36.000 What are the numbers in Dresden and Hamburg?
00:01:37.020 What are the numbers in Dresden and Hamburg?
00:01:37.640 Wait a minute, Rabbi Shrulli.
00:01:39.260 When you call Winston Churchill a criminal.
00:01:41.380 Yeah, I believe they were a criminal.
00:01:41.680 You're basing it on ratios.
00:01:42.960 You don't even know what they are.
00:01:44.120 No, I know.
00:01:44.620 No, there's difference of opinion among the scholars.
00:01:46.980 No, there isn't.
00:01:47.400 There is difference.
00:01:47.860 Tell us the opinions.
00:01:48.840 What are they?
00:01:49.400 Tell us what they are.
00:01:50.220 Hold on.
00:01:51.000 How many in Dresden?
00:01:51.980 Excuse me.
00:01:52.560 Stop speaking for a minute.
00:01:53.280 How many in Dresden?
00:01:53.840 Am I speaking to him or are you?
00:01:54.640 How many in Dresden?
00:01:55.620 Whatever the number.
00:01:56.740 You don't know at all.
00:01:57.320 If it's indiscriminate, I'm against it.
00:01:58.720 No, he doesn't.
00:01:59.340 That's why I'm all right.
00:02:00.520 Dresden's about 25,000.
00:02:02.300 And at the time, the Germans were saying 250,000.
00:02:05.360 We know it's about 25,000 today.
00:02:06.700 Let me be clear.
00:02:07.680 Winston Churchill was the greatest statesman of the 20th century.
00:02:09.940 He saved the world from Nazi terror. 0.80
00:02:13.720 That you could live in a country that is only around today because of the bravery of that
00:02:17.660 man showing no gratitude is the height of...
00:02:21.460 Stick on topic.
00:02:23.400 Stick on topic.
00:02:24.060 And to call all the British people who defeated the Nazis, who defeated the Nazis,
00:02:28.420 stop interrupting me.
00:02:30.520 Who defeated the Nazis, war criminals, his parents, all the other people with war criminals. 0.56
00:02:35.620 It's wrong.
00:02:37.100 No, no, no.
00:02:37.660 Let me be clear.
00:02:38.580 Off topic.
00:02:39.060 Off topic.
00:02:39.440 Don't interrupt each other.
00:02:40.560 Let me be clear.