00:11:23.120Because, I mean, American side or Canadian, if you can't feel secure.
00:11:26.680There is a Calgary company who said they would do it, but, you know, until they get it all figured out and, you know, all the T's cross and the, you know, we don't know.
00:11:37.160But, you know what, if they get a West, I know you're very hesitant to agree, but if they get a West Coast pipeline and they get a pipeline going south, that's a big blow to the, to not only the Tory party, but the Independence party, right?
00:11:50.700because the liberals have got all this done,
00:15:17.160Well, and, you know, just for those of the younger audience, I guess, you know, the Assembly in 1987 in Vancouver, I mean, that led to the formation of the Reform Party.
00:15:26.480And I'm certain you're not looking to fire up any new political vehicles or parties this time.
00:15:31.840It'll be more of an educational format, I gather.
00:15:34.420Yeah, the idea, Corey, is say it's on September 19 to 20, and it's a virtual assembly.
00:15:42.620People can participate by it'll be live streamed to be some delegates to cross-examine people making presentations.
00:15:51.040But the main idea is to put forward these various options that face the West for dealing with its current concerns and aspirations.
00:16:00.480and we'll have a presentation on the secession option.
00:16:05.680We'll have a presentation on this sovereign province
00:16:09.380within the federation, which has been the premier's position,
00:16:22.340We call it the list option where people are the premiers
00:16:27.400and some of the business executives have said,
00:16:29.460if you did this or if you did that it would alleviate some of the the tensions and then
00:16:34.400there's the remain or stay option and we're asking the obvious question there remain and then stay and
00:16:40.940do what so the idea is to have these presentations have some cross-examination of them and and let
00:16:46.740people hopefully it will inform their discretion with respect to the referendum okay so there is
00:16:55.540then it's an open discussion by the sounds of it it's not necessarily the the event in itself
00:17:01.000taking one side or another you're oh in fact we're trying to be very careful on that cory like if it
00:17:06.440seemed to be slanted or pitching one approach to the other then of course the other people won't
00:17:11.880participate so we're trying to keep it as objective as as we can absolutely and then it's not just
00:17:19.560centered on alberta you have a former premier uh gordon campbell on uh co-hosting that with you as
00:17:25.060Well, yes, because a lot of these concerns, the systemic constitutional unfairness, the
00:17:33.080federal intrusions in the areas of provincial jurisdiction, particularly natural resources,
00:17:39.860these concerns are shared much broader than Alberta.
00:17:42.960The worry about this is just as strong according to the pollsters in Saskatchewan and in much
00:17:48.440of British Columbia and in rural Manitoba.
00:17:51.800have delegates people that are going to do some of the cross-examining from each of those provinces
00:17:58.200although the majority be from alberta because as you said in alberta's case there's going to be this
00:18:03.640referendum on october the 19th yeah well and we have nine questions along with uh the the 10th
00:18:11.080which is the one asking about moving further towards a a clarity act compliant referendum
00:18:17.480A lot of those nine questions, though, as you've mentioned, we've got constitutional problems.
00:18:23.580This is a hang-up that's been going on since, you know, talking about a triple E Senate in the past, being able to move those things forward.
00:18:31.180And there's a regional interest in eastern Canada to maintain the status quo.
00:18:36.120I mean, it serves them better Senate-wise anyways.
00:18:38.440uh the final question i guess question 10 it offers an opportunity for leverage even if people
00:18:46.160aren't necessarily looking to go yet i mean i i understand you don't necessarily take a side but
00:18:51.240it's something for people to consider oh yeah it's one of the options out there and
00:18:59.000there'll be questions and discussion on suppose some province did get a clear
00:19:05.200majority on a clear question to secede that's most likely to occur in quebec before whatever
00:19:11.760happened in alberta of course quebec's got a provincial election prior to october the 5th
00:19:17.840where this is going to be the whole debate should it be a sovereign country outside the federation
00:19:22.640or should it be a sovereign province within the federation but there there's uh that'll be
00:19:28.160certainly one of the issues and it'll get into what what exactly happens if some province did
00:19:33.360get a clear majority on a clear question and that's where the Clarity Act comes into focus.
00:19:40.800One of the people on our little organizing committee is Jack Major who was on the Supreme
00:19:45.460Court at the time it ruled on the Clarity Act and basically what it says if someone
00:19:50.440ever got to that position say it's more likely to be Quebec, the federal government is under
00:19:56.360an obligation according to the court to negotiate in good faith with that province. That would then
00:20:03.800require some constitutional amendments, which requires seven of the provinces with 50% of the
00:20:08.280population. In other words, if somebody ever got to that, it would blow up the current constitution,
00:20:13.560maybe create the opportunity for a reconstitution, who knows. But they'll be attempting to make some
00:20:21.880of that clear because i think some people feel if you if somebody did get a clear majority on
00:20:27.720it to your question that you could just waltz off into independence land unfortunately it's
00:20:33.000it's not quite that simple no it is a complicated process uh but so is is trying to fix things from
00:20:40.200within the system one of the commenters uh asked a very good question uh saying how does alberta's
00:20:46.200sovereign jurisdiction while still within Canada work? I mean, that's been talked about for a long
00:20:53.720time, but we haven't seen a lot of actions moving towards it actually. Things like a pension plan
00:20:58.200or things that Quebec has done at least. Well, except Corey, Quebec has spent millions of
00:21:03.720dollars on this and hours and hours of this. They're a lot further along this route than us,
00:21:08.520but the Premier's been fairly clear enough on a few of the things that that means.
00:21:13.880First of all, I believe it means increasing and strengthening the activity of the province in
00:21:20.280every area that the current constitution assigns to the provinces. Secondly, it involves pushing
00:21:25.800the envelope in these joint jurisdiction areas, which are agriculture, environment, and immigration.
00:21:32.120That's why I think the first five questions on that referendum ballot are dealing with should
00:21:37.240the province do more in the area of this joint jurisdiction of immigration and then a third area
00:21:43.640and here's where you're right that has not been talked about much it ought to be talked about more
00:21:47.880by the federal people is the federal government there are federal statutes which authorize the
00:21:55.240federal intrusion in areas of provincial responsibility the impact assessment act is the
00:22:00.760federal statute that authorizes the federal government to get into natural resources the
00:22:07.240Canada Health Act is the act that authorizes federal intrusion in the health jurisdiction,
00:22:13.320which is a provincial jurisdiction. The Canada Infrastructure Bank Act and the National Housing
00:22:19.000Act are the federal statutes that authorize federal intrusion in the area of municipal
00:22:23.960governance, which is a provincial area. One of the suggestions is that if the federal
00:22:28.680government is serious, if the Kearney government is serious in reducing this tension with the
00:22:34.440provinces one of the things it could do is amend those statutes either to repeal them or to reduce
00:22:40.680their intrusiveness so there's about three aspects all of this involves strengthening the sovereignty
00:22:46.280of the provinces within the federation it'd be interesting to see whether the federal government
00:22:50.440has anything to say on uh with respect to being being receptive to that kind of change yeah so
00:22:58.520so back to the assembly uh there's going to be a number of other speakers presenters on different
00:23:03.080things have you nailed some down yet or you you're still in that process we're in the course of of
00:23:08.360invitations but we're pretty sure that there'll be a presentation on the sovereign province within the
00:23:14.440federation there's two of the the secessionist groups that we're virtually certain will be
00:23:20.200willing to make uh presentations we're still trying to nail down the the remain and stay
00:23:27.160option because the question there isn't just remain or stay it's remain and stay and do what
00:23:32.120and there's a number of groups advocating in that area and we're trying to sort that out.
00:23:36.200But the important thing, I think, for your listeners and your viewers is this thing will
00:23:42.360be live streamed. And if you put those dates down, September 1920, there's a website that explains
00:23:49.080all of this, albertaandthewestassembly.ca. And people can tune into this thing and there'll be
00:24:01.640surveying done of the people that are live streaming so that they'll get a chance not
00:24:05.480only to ask questions but to express their opinion on the various subjects that are being brought up
00:24:13.080great i was going to ask about that the interactivity of it i mean some of this
00:24:16.680this modern technology makes this sort of uh you know thing it's not like a giant convention
00:24:21.800booking a hall getting people there monitoring microphones there's a real opportunity actually to
00:24:26.920to solicit questions from viewers and so on
00:26:41.220And that'll be the aim of that last session.
00:26:44.340And then the recommendations that come out of that will go to the provincial legislatures and the provincial government.
00:26:52.340So I know you're trying to stay carefully nonpartisan with this, but will there be any participation with elected people, whether in government or in opposition?
00:27:01.180Well, we have. Yeah, we discussed that, Corey. We haven't got any elected people among these delegates, but all the output of this will actually go to the legislatures.
00:27:10.820And we've been saying to elected people, you'll get a kick at the can after we've got all this input put together, but it'll occur in your legislature, not in this assembly, partly because we're trying to keep the political polarization that happens so easily once you get a room full of elected people or even former elected people like me.
00:27:37.060Well, we're both familiar with rooms full of politicians. They're a necessary evil, but it can also take things off the rails pretty quickly. So can open events, though, I imagine there'll be some degree of controls over the discourse or ways that, you know, questions get through and they can be efficient and such.
00:27:56.000Yes, it's almost like an assembly, like an elected assembly.
00:28:01.840Gordon Campbell and I are the co-chairs, so we'll be like the speaker
00:28:04.920and the delegates will be like the members.
00:28:08.860And, of course, one of the controls the speaker has in the House of Commons
00:28:12.740or the legislature, he can cut you off if he decides you're making a speech
00:28:20.680So Gordon and I will try to diplomatically exercise that function.
00:28:26.000Excellent. Well, I'm really looking forward to it. It's an interesting exercise and, of course, very timely with everything that's going on. And you can certainly lend, you know, I wasn't saying the sense of deja vu in a bad way, fully anyways. There's a lot of experience that's been gained. You've been fighting this battle for some years now, anyways. And, you know, I guess just this trying to find a different path rather than hitting our heads against the wall over and over again is what people really want to do.
00:28:54.620Yeah, that'll be the big question. It'll be the question to these presenters. If your option was accepted, exactly what has to happen to move it beyond talk and studies and recommendations and reports?
00:29:11.560A lot of Westerners are impatient with these issues are well defined, there's even solutions
00:29:18.940defined, but the roadblock, particularly if it involves constitutional amendments, that
00:29:25.920One other encouraging thing on this, as you know, to amend our constitution, you need
00:29:30.480at least seven provinces with 50% of the population from the provincial side to push an amendment.
00:29:36.240You still got to get it through the parliament.
00:29:39.180Right now, among these provincial premiers, Wacom, this new premier in Newfoundland,
00:29:45.420Premier Frechette in Quebec, or even if there's a new PQ
00:29:50.940premier, they're all in favor of decentralization, Premier Smith and Premier Moe.
00:29:55.660You've got four strong premiers that are in favor of at least trying to get the federal government
00:30:00.300out of this intrusive role. You could probably pull along Houston from Nova Scotia and maybe
00:30:06.140Doug Ford from Ontario depending on what kind of day it was but now you start you're starting to
00:30:11.580get up to this six or seven premiers who whatever else they disagree on agree on a more decentralized
00:30:20.060federation and that that has not happened in the past so that's one encouraging route towards
00:30:28.140constitutional amendment well we'll certainly wait and see this could be a step that starts
00:30:33.580moving us towards it so uh i guess before i let you go one more time where can people
00:30:38.700find information on this assembly uh so that they can take part or observe it yes that alberta and
00:30:44.700the west dot ca that that website uh will give people the information on it and and say they
00:30:51.420can register there to get reminded that this thing is going to be on on september 19 and 20.
00:30:57.900excellent well thank you for putting all that together and then taking some time to explain
00:31:02.140it to us today i'll certainly be tuning in and watching it with with great interest and uh
00:31:07.500hopefully it uh has some productive outcomes for us okay we shall we shall wait and see
00:31:13.100great thank you great talk thank you cart so there you go guys set those dates aside you know
00:31:19.020september 19th and 20th it is an opportunity and i know and and as as mr manning stated we're
00:31:25.020getting impatient i'm one of them i know a story i like to tell it's from way back as the political
00:31:30.700junkie I am. I bought my very first political membership from this man I figured was ancient
00:31:37.040at a Calgary Stampede event who actually took some time to speak to me. I think I was 18 or 19
00:31:41.940years old. It was the end of the 80s. And it turned out that was actually Preston Manning
00:31:46.500working to get the Reform Party going. And I was so thrilled with that little card I ended up
00:31:50.540putting in my wallet. Wow, I'm participating in politics. And look at the lunatic it turned me
00:31:55.300into after this much time. But, you know, it also illustrates how long this has all been going on.
00:32:02.840We've been at this for decades. That assembly he held, we're coming up on the 40th anniversary of
00:32:08.720that one that was held in Vancouver that formed the Reform Party. So he's not trying the exact
00:32:14.340same thing. And he's not taking the independence option off the table in this gathering. You know,
00:32:22.020there's going to be people presenting and proposing that side of it. It's as I feel,
00:32:27.620I mean, I'm an independent supporter. I'm unabashed about it and there's no getting around that.
00:32:32.400But I do believe there's an opportunity in those people then who just want to send a message. Those
00:32:36.640people who want, you know, to shake things up and rattle them. Well, this is the opportunity
00:32:44.180coming this fall. And there's one of the things I think, unfortunately, and tactically, it depends
00:32:49.820which way people look at stuff when premier smith is saying because she's been a uh a federalist
00:32:57.260she's made no bones about that it's mostly just that i get annoyed when she starts leaping into
00:33:01.980the discussion a little too heavily but with saying that she would schedule the referendum
00:33:07.500if we got over 50 this october she would schedule it to try and get it held this spring
00:33:14.860i personally i'm just guessing from a tactical level and i could be wrong but
00:33:18.540But I think the reason she's stating that is because it will turn away the people who are saying they, you know, who were campaigning towards to send a message, to shake things up, to stir them up, because it puts the definitive referendum so much closer after that.
00:33:32.120It starts to turn this one this fall into the big one and muddies those waters between them and would make people shy away because they wouldn't want to have the real referendum only a few months later.
00:33:43.300I think that might be some of the tactics on what's going on there.
00:33:46.000uh there really are only two ways that would have to go though if there was a a big vote to move
00:33:53.100forward with the process with a clarity act uh compliant question after a referendum this fall
00:34:00.060it would have to be either yeah spring in just a few months or probably at least more than a year
00:34:05.820farther ahead to get uh past the general election that's scheduled you know a year after that
00:34:13.100They're not going to have the referendum and a general election happening at the same time.
00:34:16.400Just would be politically difficult to say the least.
00:34:21.920You know, getting back to that justice issue, this is one that never hits politics enough.