00:00:27.920um happy halloween first off to everybody uh what is today today's the 29th tomorrow's the 30th
00:00:34.840i is halloween on the 30th or is halloween on the 31st it's the last day of the month right so uh
00:00:41.240kids will get to go out on saturday night i was walking downtown calgary i was hoping to see
00:00:46.260maybe a few people dressed up or whatever but the spirit of halloween doesn't seem to be
00:00:52.280in the air here maybe not as much as things like uh stampede and other uh holidays um
00:00:59.040listen uh i'm completely unprepared you guys are gonna have to call in and tell me what to
00:01:06.300talk about because i have no topics to talk about i have no idea what's going on kidding kidding
00:01:11.660kidding kidding kidding i got another full list now um but it is you know in all seriousness we're
00:01:18.600we're doing a talk show i want you guys to call and uh just you know you can we we can chat about
00:01:23.720things that are on my list here or we can chat about anything you want um john put up a topic
00:01:30.280right there on the on the thumbnail says uh danielle smith is purposely trying to um uh
00:01:39.640i can't read it john what did i tell you to put down on the thumbnail
00:01:43.720uh she she's she's alienating her base right and um and and i'll tell you honestly i was on a show
00:01:50.680last night i do another i do a weekly show with uh my buddy clyde that clyde do something and we do a
00:01:57.240wednesday night show clyde moved to the u.s late uh recently like about four months ago and so when
00:02:03.140we do that show he's still covering uh he's trying to bring in a canadian perspective to an american
00:02:09.000audience but but at the same time i'm trying to take advantage of clyde being down there and
00:02:14.900getting an american perspective for my canadian audience right so we we we go back and forth
00:02:19.740and last night it didn't matter what we tried to do in what direction we tried to steer the
00:02:24.820conversation the only thing anybody wanted to talk about was uh danielle smith but i'll so we
00:02:32.820will talk about danielle smith and the results of not the results of the referendum but what's kind
00:02:37.660of been happening afterwards but i'll i'll just just to just to tease you to give you ideas of
00:02:43.160maybe you know things you can call me uh with and and the phone number is on the screen there
00:02:47.620479-9378 right so things that are on my list this week is it's something just buzzed in my
00:02:54.900is that a call already john all right something's buzzing in there i don't know if it's buzzing on
00:03:01.600the air but uh so other topics on my list are uh definitely um the bc election i mean that was on
00:03:08.660saturday uh parliament is is uh going and you know there's uh some stuff happening there there's the
00:03:17.020uh president of the eu coming to in montreal right now a bit of controversy with the new
00:03:24.900Prime Premier of Quebec and interest rates going up, the budget coming out here locally, the budget and the tax increases and stuff like that.
00:03:38.840So those are all on my list of things. But before I dive into it real quick, if you if you'll allow me just to share a proud moment in my life as a parent happened yesterday.
00:03:50.440So I have four kids. You guys know that. I have an oldest daughter who's well-established. She's a senior hairstylist here in Calgary. And then I have three sons. And my three sons all followed in my footsteps, all studied and became engineers. Not quite the youngest one.
00:04:09.620And so my youngest son, Ray, at Christmas, this Christmas, he will finish his seventh semester, so half of his fourth year.
00:04:19.600So he still has one semester after this.
00:04:21.620But he called me yesterday, and he told me he accepted a full-time job with an engineering firm that had given him a job as a summer student.
00:04:31.940So he worked as a summer student for them, and now they offered him full-time work.
00:04:38.700And so, you know, and just to me and to any parent out there, like, I did not have a lot of goals in life for my kids, except that I wanted them to grow up to be adults, contributing members to society and stay out of trouble.
00:04:58.000And so when this happened yesterday, you know, I kind of like turned to my wife and gave her a big hug and patted each other on the back because fundamentally mission accomplished.
00:05:09.980So I just wanted to share that. It felt really, really good. Feels really, really good when your kids are, you know, are doing well.
00:05:17.920Now, I'll sour it a little bit with this add-on, though.
00:05:26.240My father had the same dreams for his kids, right?
00:05:29.640My father very specifically told me that, you know, I hope you do well.
00:05:33.780Dad came from, you know, dad, my father was born in pre-World War II,
00:06:05.960And I think my generation, generally speaking,
00:06:10.740did better than the previous generation.
00:06:13.140But I fear nowadays that my kids and other generations might are facing challenges and might not do better generally than we did.
00:06:25.980Do you know what I mean? I hope that makes sense.
00:06:28.820So my kids are doing good personally, but I think as a generation, the kids that today's young adults, they have a tough life, a tough challenge ahead of them.
00:06:38.300You know, getting a getting a job is a big, major first step, but it barely pays the bills and the prospect for them of owning a house and things like that are just not there.
00:06:51.420I mean, when I was 24 years old and I got my first job, my whole future was ahead of me.
00:06:58.600All right. Well, let's get into a bit about what's going on with, you know, we're we're a week past the reference.
00:07:08.300So the referendum was on the 19th, where more than a week passed. Officially, officially yesterday or today, the 29th, the elections in Alberta published the official results. So the official results are published and nothing fundamentally changed.
00:07:21.940Uh, question 10, the, the, the big one on, uh, independence got 25% in favor of option two and 75% in option one. Those numbers are interesting, right? Because 520,000 people chose option two. And I would, and some people say, oh, they just picked it for, um, you know, just to send a message.
00:07:47.620It's a pretty it's a pretty big message when you pick that number, right?
00:07:51.420You don't you do you don't do that lightly.
00:07:55.800I will go out on a limb and say most of them are conservative.
00:08:00.820And a reminder that in the last election in 2023, Smith got, you know, 990,000 votes as total that her party.
00:08:09.780so um mathematically that kind of tells me that the party the ucp is membership is 50 percent in
00:08:22.360favor of independence now i i think i talked about this last week but i just want to talk about it
00:08:28.320again right as a conservative i'm a conservative and i think many of you are also conservatives
00:08:33.800We share a common set of values, right? We generally want the wise spending of our money, you know, fiscal responsibility. We enjoy our rights and freedoms. We don't like them infringed upon. We believe in small government. We believe in being a little more independent and less reliant on government. And we believe in preserving some traditions, things like that. So that's what makes us conservative.
00:09:02.740in and of itself being a separatist is not necessarily i tell people it's not a conservative
00:09:11.300value it's not one of my core values to me the fact that i'm a separatist is simply to me it's
00:09:19.200simply a solution to a problem you know i'm blunt about this i think confederation is a failed
00:09:24.360experiment and i don't think alberta will ever get a fair deal in confederation so i'm a
00:09:29.520conservative. But when I look at problems, one of my solutions to the problem is independence,
00:09:37.920sovereignty, real sovereignty, real autonomy. And so it's not a value for value's sake. To me,
00:09:44.300it's a solution. And so the talk that's been going on that started with Danielle Smith,
00:09:52.220so some of the talk that started with Danielle Smith was in a press conference she gave
00:09:57.060after the referendum, but she also did a really, really interesting interview
00:10:04.040on the weekend. It came out on Sunday, and it was with the CBC. I can't even remember,
00:10:11.520and I had a hard time finding this interview, because I think, honestly, that in this interview,
00:10:17.580she was sort of addressing another audience, you know what I mean? Like, when she was talking,
00:10:24.360like i i honestly when i'm looking at that interview and some of the things she says and
00:10:28.180i'll come to that um it it sounds like she didn't think that any of us would ever be watching that
00:10:33.920interview and it almost sounds like she was addressing people in ontario or quebec or
00:10:39.380other parts of canada kind of letting them know what had happened in the referendum and so
00:10:45.500i i gotta try and wrap this in in in a way here but one of the things she said
00:10:52.520in her press conference, basically, and I'm paraphrasing,
00:10:56.500and there's arguments on the interpretation,
00:10:59.000but she basically said that the referendum,
00:11:05.700And that the independence question is settled,
00:11:08.200and she doesn't want to do another referendum0.88
00:11:10.340as long as she's leader, as long as she's premier.
00:11:14.040And then she went a bit further and even said
00:11:16.420that if people are still independence-minded,
00:11:21.580that they should find a new home okay and and i found that really really troubling uh she almost
00:11:29.320went as far in the interview as saying that you know people are free to start their own party and
00:11:33.300things like that i don't favor that option okay that is not like for me there's three options
00:11:37.940going forward as a as a conservative in alberta one is uh just accept the status quo accept the
00:11:45.740status quo as is and keep voting for the UCP and keep supporting Danielle in her attempts to
00:11:54.580get us a better deal, which for her means, you know, negotiating on immigration and other things.
00:12:02.340So that's the status quo, which won, technically won in the referendum. Barely won, by the way,
00:12:08.780barely won, because as we said, right, questions six, seven, eight and nine were rejected.
00:12:15.740So she didn't get so her status quo is kind of weak. So that's the first option. The second option is to leave the UCP and splinter and form a new party. And we've and like I said last week, we've talked about this. This this is deja vu all over. This is the wild rose. This is other attempts in the past. And I don't favor that. That would I think that would guarantee re-election of the NDP.
00:12:40.200and and so then the option in the middle the one i favor is is a i wouldn't i don't need to call it
00:12:47.480a reform of the ucp but a but a continued evolution of the ucp right because the ucp is a brand new
00:12:55.840party it was created by jason kenny you know circa 2021 2022 and uh to specifically to or sorry it
00:13:31.060I think the way it works is working very well,
00:13:33.640And we're going to see it at the AGM. Right. People are like we're we're we're submitting policies and we're guiding the the party.
00:13:41.300So it doesn't need to be reformed. It needs to continue to evolve. And and that's where I'm at.
00:13:47.300So I want to continue to evolve that party. And and I would hope that within the party that there would be an opportunity to continue to discuss the independence option and other options that I like.
00:14:02.500I would never take anything off the table.
00:14:04.960And I don't think we can take anything off the table because practically speaking, 50% of us in the party favor that option.
00:14:15.100So my next step in the coming months is to continue down that path of encouraging that discussion and hoping that Smith reverses some of her statements that she's made lately.
00:14:29.800I mean, she's gone as far as saying something like that that anybody who wants to be a voice for the party, whether it's as an MLA or as a director or on the board of the party, needs to sign off on on a guiding principle and and and distance themselves from independence.
00:14:50.760And I think that's wrong. All right. I got my first caller. Awesome. So before I finish on, I want to go to the caller right away.
00:14:57.920So as usual, folks, tell me where you're calling from, your name, please, and what's on your mind. And let's go from there. So go ahead, caller.
00:15:09.020hey um so one thing that i observed with the the bc election is that i don't know that daniel
00:15:17.340smith is necessarily the one who's bringing the ucp the victory i mean if you look at lauren dirksen
00:15:23.260who the hell was this guy yeah he came out of nowhere and basically people there were voting
00:15:28.860on the party so i think that the ucp would have a much better chance for re-election next year
00:15:35.160If Daniel Smith were to step aside, somebody else from the party who's neutral, didn't decide one way or another, won't comment on it, which is most of the party.
00:15:46.600Then people are going to vote on the party next election.
00:15:50.340What's going to happen now, half people are going to stay home because Daniel Smith is the leader.
00:17:25.420Okay, cool. I like that. Now, me personally, like I just said, I'm not ready to kick her to the curb. I'd like to hear what she has to say. I mean, she does a lot of good for the province, right? I've always said that. I mean, I generally like the direction that she's taking us in, but do you think we, I'll be blunt, do you want her gone or would you hang on until the next election?
00:17:53.320well i think the best chance for the ucp to win re-election is for her to step aside
00:18:00.360interesting okay no no that's a valid point i mean i i'm not there yet but i might and and
00:18:05.980and if she was if she really cared about defeating the ndp in the next election she would see the
00:18:12.900wisdom in that and i mean there's plenty of party members in the ucp who haven't declared one way
00:18:18.660or another, as the NDP is constantly reminding us, they're like, oh, you've got all these
00:18:23.700members and nobody said that they're loyal to Canada or that they're, like, nobody's
00:18:47.320awesome okay well thanks for calling are you first time caller or i think we've talked before right
00:18:51.240no no no yeah we talked before awesome okay well thanks for that that we're fundamentally on the
00:18:58.720same page thanks chris yeah yeah i just don't think danielle smith should put herself before
00:19:04.440the party and thanks thanks again marty awesome cheers um okay so yeah i mean that ties in with
00:19:11.540where i was right so i was just talking about uh me personally i think danielle should more or less
00:19:17.060retract some of the comments she made recently and uh and then i think i think hopefully she can
00:19:23.660read the room and realize that that um that she's got to embrace people like myself who who who
00:19:32.320don't entirely agree with her solution and want to keep pushing for independence now um
00:19:39.620I got to come. Well, let's wave there. Let's go there real quick.
00:19:45.460I mean, the elections only the referendums 10 days ago and already we can see that we lost an opportunity of getting like if she wants to negotiate with Ottawa, she needs leverage.
00:19:58.800And I think by losing, she lost some leverage. And we already saw that this week. We've seen it twice, three times. Right.
00:20:05.060so in the house of commons uh earlier this week the conservatives introduced a motion to try and
00:20:12.020repeal the tanker ban the west coast tanker ban and it was defeated like it was defeated so i mean
00:20:20.480that's that's like that's a we're dead in the water already on on on getting like a pipeline
00:20:27.080built and things like that because and and this is a simple like if the gov if the liberals can't
00:20:32.720reverse something as simple as a tanker ban, how are
00:20:36.760they going to open the Constitution? I mean, that was crazy what happened
00:20:40.480this week. And then the other thing, and I don't want to dive into
00:20:44.740it just yet, but the other thing that's happening this week is
00:20:47.280Carney is going, went visiting, you know, he went
00:20:52.720to overseas and now he's invited the EU. He's invited, I can't remember, what's
00:20:56.740her name, Ursula von something. She's in Montreal and
00:21:00.800he's still moving us and still trying to get us into the european union i'll come back to that
00:21:06.360right i'll come back to that so um i i wish i had a link to that interview uh if you follow me the
00:21:14.280the danielle smith interview where uh with the cbc the hour-long interview uh it's very it was
00:21:21.100hard to find i put it on x uh maybe after this show maybe i'll i'll get john to i'll send the
00:21:29.100link to john and john can put the link and people can go find it i mean i don't want to usually
00:21:32.840like i don't want to promote the cbc but it's a good interview in in like i said um she says
00:21:40.900some things in there that i think are really contradictory and um not well thought out
00:21:47.420but when i listened to that interview a couple of times i think she was targeting a different
00:21:52.820audience like one of the questions another question that came out boldly in that interview
00:21:57.660The interviewer asked her, like, you know, how are you going to, you know, make friends, make amends with the separatists?
00:22:16.960She's like, no, it's not separatists that got me elected.
00:22:19.440It's people that were against COVID and people that were against mandates and people that were against, you know, overreach and trampling of our rights and things like that.
00:22:29.920And as she's naming them off, I'm doing like a Venn diagram in my head and going, they all intersect with, you know, that people like me, again, who were against the vaccine mandates were the people who really value freedoms and are the people who don't like Ottawa.
00:22:46.740And so we're kind of one in the same. I mean, I think she was being very specific at the time. I get that at the time in 2023 when she was elected. Yes, we were kicking out, you know, we had just kicked out Kenny basically on on COVID and on on overreach.
00:23:06.680and so sure you could say that that's who elected her at the time but it's the same group it's the
00:23:11.760same base so um that statement was really interesting and i think damaging and then
00:23:18.980you know there's there's a bit of damage the the damage continues right so after that two days ago
00:23:25.380all of us who are members of the ucp got a letter from the president of the ucp rob smith
00:24:00.020um you know the way this party works and most parties is the members of the party all like
00:24:08.62040 000 of us we go to the agm and at the agm we elect the leadership of the party so we elect
00:24:17.740the board of directors and we elect a president and and then those guys um and then we elect
00:24:25.800people in charge of whatever fundraising and in charge of policies and then what we do throughout
00:24:31.000the year is anybody who's a member is free to write up a proposal a policy you know what could
00:24:38.120be a policy i think that um we should um uh support our farmers right to sell from their farm without
00:24:49.240having to go to a slaughterhouse that's an example of a policy somebody can write that policy so
00:24:54.680Throughout the year, hundreds and hundreds of policies are written and proposed and sent to the board of the party.
00:25:05.000And those policies are written by individuals and they're written by groups and they're written by constituency associations.
00:25:11.740And then those policies get reviewed and we get the opportunity to rank the policy.
00:25:16.960So a couple of weeks ago, I got to go read like 300 policies that have been submitted, and I could rank them one, two, three, or four, and then somebody tabulated them, and the most popular policy proposals will be debated on the floor of the AGM coming up in four weeks.
00:25:35.100And then if the party passes a policy that says something like, you know, we don't support politics in the classroom, then that's a platform of the party.
00:25:48.580And then people who are elected under our platform, such as the premier and MLAs, are kind of obligated to they're obligated to represent their constituents, the people who voted for them.
00:25:59.800But they're also obligated to to try and move the policies forward, the policies put forth by the party and move them forward once they form government.
00:26:11.220So Smith can't just tell us it's on it's resolved and I don't want to hear about it.
00:26:15.540that's the party's decision and she definitely can't tell um a board member you need to meet
00:26:23.060these you know uh these these the you need to have these values in order to be a candidate no that's
00:26:30.740up to us to decide if if if frank wants to show up and run for uh calgary regional director the
00:26:39.620representative or if larry wants to run as the vp of communications for the for the party i can ask
00:26:48.100him questions on where he stands but if i and if he tells me he's against uh independence i might
00:26:54.020vote against him or for him but i the membership chooses who we elect to be on the board so like
00:27:00.980this is really really interesting what's going on which is why the topic was that that we chose
00:27:06.100today is is she trying to alienate her base because a lot of the things she's done in the
00:27:12.000last couple of days since well it actually it's gone on before that i mean i think she started
00:27:16.360alienating her base a year ago more than that and she's continuing to alienate her base and um and
00:27:26.860i think i think i'm gonna i think i'm gonna leave it at that i mean i think that's where we're at
00:27:31.520right now um we got uh well i i got one last bit one last bit sorry and i get the good thing i took
00:27:39.480some notes um it's it's somewhat related to this she's alienating her base and some days i wonder0.97
00:27:48.260why is there another ulterior motive right is she compromised does she have her own agenda is she
00:27:55.360really naive i don't know right i you asked me the question on what's going through danielle
00:28:01.540smith's mind and my answer changes from week to week to week depending on current events
00:28:06.020but this week there was an event that occurred again that i'm that i just shake my head so she
00:28:11.900was up on stage she did a brief press conference and uh and and and it's an announcement around
00:28:19.740COVID vaccines and the new, you know, it's a season. So there's a COVID. We're now at the
00:28:25.120point where COVID is treated like the flu. There's an annual flu. And apparently there's an annual
00:28:29.800COVID. And don't get me started on the science behind that. That's not the point that I want
00:28:35.760to make today. But she was on stage. Instead of just letting Andrea Lagrange or whoever's the0.66
00:28:41.200health minister talk about this, Smith took an opportunity to go on stage and talk about this
00:28:45.400expanded covid vaccine program and how it's being extended to kids as young as six months old blah
00:28:52.000blah blah blah blah blah blah right well that's to me i'm like that's that's not reading the room
00:28:58.620we just had the allison inquiry not too long ago in ottawa where we had tons of people uh you know
00:29:04.820testify about vaccine injuries she commissioned a uh a study on this the uh davidson study which
00:29:12.380came out with recommendations and she didn't do anything of that and she admitted that it's a0.55
00:29:16.860covid crowd that got rid of uh kenny and got her into power but then she goes and does this on
00:29:23.560stage so i was like confused maybe you guys can tell me why you think she did that i got a caller
00:29:29.040go ahead what's on your mind hey mary it's verne can you hear me i can how are you
00:29:36.440i'm good thanks i'm in calgary and uh first of all i want to say thanks for all the stuff that
00:29:44.380you're doing here trying to burn the light onto this i wanted to ask do you think or have you
00:29:49.860heard the term performative politics yes somewhat yeah so do you think that maybe most of the
00:29:58.540politicians that were seen with daniel smith they're more concerned about looking good than
00:30:03.880actually doing good because the thing is like i mean we already had a clear mandate about uh about
00:30:10.200equalization in the in the previous referendum and then we saw that premier kenny the former
00:30:16.760premier kenny he just sent a letter to the prime minister's office and to the premiers and when
00:30:22.120they said no he left it at that um you know i i think that a lot of people are maybe frustrated
00:30:29.560and uh i'm going to the to the agm next month and i paid my ten dollars you know and two hundred
00:30:34.360dollars for a ticket i know there's lots of people that want to go and there's people that want to
00:30:37.720vote her out and they want to keep her in and the thing is i think that there's things that the
00:30:44.200premier could have done but chose not to like she didn't need to go to a vote to go and say well
00:30:50.840let's start our pension plan for instance um so i guess the question i have is and i like the last
00:30:59.000call we said about you know we could put a broomstick with the hat on and he might win and
00:31:02.600the example learned that jerkson winning is a good you know example for that so i don't think hopey
00:31:08.360and their fear is is or intimidation is the strategy that's going to carry us forward in
00:31:14.360the long term and i think this whole thing about that well we either have daniel smith or we have
00:31:18.840menchie maybe maybe there's somebody else you know coming up out of the ranks like i think a lot of
00:31:24.120people spoke really highly about keith wilson for example yeah like i i don't know but i guess what
00:31:30.200do you think you know how when is canada or when it's canadian because i love canada but i don't
00:31:35.400like that we have you know all these epic violations with prime minister's office you know
00:31:40.520with brookfield and you know maybe christian freeland isn't necessarily uh you know doing
00:31:45.160the ukraine for you know the goodness of her heart maybe you know there's there's a lot of questions
00:31:49.400but but you know when people are trying to you know be able to afford groceries or rent or they
00:31:54.280see you know that ram prices have gone up 800 in the last year and we have a prime minister
00:31:59.240that's saying that we're living in the most affordable time ever it's like yeah you're
00:32:03.240you're breaking up a little bit so what was the question is somebody gonna wake me up
00:32:07.240what was the question is performance politics yeah so when when are we going to or what do
00:32:13.400we need to see from daniel what do you think we need to see from daniel smith actually believe
00:32:18.120that she's not in it for herself but that she's going to do something for her because i like that
00:32:22.440she lowered the threshold you know for the referendum but then she you know took aside
00:32:26.840and spent a whole bunch of money in campaigning against it so yeah i don't know what she stands
00:32:30.760for and i guess i'm asking what do you think she stands for okay um thanks for calling i'll i'll
00:32:35.800ask you to hang up so somebody else can call in um i'll i mean there's no easy answer um
00:32:43.880Um, first of all, I guess we're going to have to wait and like to the early to the to his first comment.
00:32:52.480Right. I mean, is it performative and whatever?
00:32:55.080I mean, politicians are politicians, right?
00:32:57.560Like you, you, you, most of them get elected in some sort of it's a it's a popularity contest.
00:33:02.900They get elected. And then I swear to God, once they're elected, half their job becomes staying in power.
00:33:09.760I mean, I can step back and sort of say that perhaps there's two or three different kinds of politicians, right?
00:33:15.600There's the there's the very well-intentioned, naive person who goes in, gets elected, thinks they're going to be a representative of the people and do do some good.
00:33:27.020And they come in and they realize how the machine works and they get they get completely discouraged.
00:33:31.660And then they do one year and they leave. And I think this always happens to politicians.
00:33:36.800When they come in, they get tested like all the other politicians are like, is he really one of us?
00:33:41.600Is he on the team? Can we bring him on board? Are his values or her values flexible and so forth?
00:33:47.780So there's a lot of people go in, get discouraged and they're out.
00:33:50.440Then there's others who go in, manage to work the system and and manage to do some good and stay in there.
00:33:59.280And but those are rare. And then there's the ones that go in well intentioned, see how the system works,
00:34:05.320realize that there's a lot of money to be made here and um and and and and the way they go they
00:34:12.020stay in power forever and ever and that's one of the reasons i'd like term limits and things like
00:34:16.340that i don't know where danielle is in this whole spectrum i really don't um but she's been talking
00:34:22.220a good story people like her but i think people are finally getting tired of the the the the false
00:34:32.560promises she's she's moving forward just enough to make it look like something's significance
00:34:37.800happening but if you think about it sure you know uh reverse these uh soji policies got the
00:34:44.780sort of politics out of the classroom i mean that one didn't work too well is still to be determined
00:34:49.620now she's announced she's going to reduce dei uh eliminate dei hiring practices and and and a few
00:34:56.620things like that but at the end of the day ahs is still a mess budgets are still out of control and
00:35:01.520and, and running high. And there's been no real, uh, wins with, uh, Ottawa. She'll say, well,
00:35:08.340I got, uh, Trudeau fired or I got, uh, Steven Gilboa fired. Gilboa quit because he got pissed
00:35:14.080off at Kearney. Uh, Trudeau quit because, you know, he, he made his millions and he was done
00:35:20.000anyways. And so, um, and, and as far as like, you know, like the pipelines now we're not,
00:35:26.580we don't have pipelines anyway so i'm rambling a little bit but um uh i think i think the agm is
00:35:32.840going to be very interesting and so what i think she needs to do what i really think she needs to
00:35:36.540do she needs to read the room if she's genuine if she's genuine and wants to do good and wants to
00:35:42.220keep the ndp out of power then she will do the same kind of brainstorming we're doing here and
00:35:47.200she will come up to there's only one conclusion and the conclusion is she either has to embrace
00:35:52.300a bunch of independence-minded people0.58
00:35:55.760and find a way to bring us into the big tent
00:37:13.520I mean, one of the answers is that, especially here in Alberta, there's good money to be made in the private sector.
00:37:24.040And so people don't want to go in politics.
00:37:26.340I mean, in Canada, for the longest time, for the longest time in Canada, politics and working in the civil sector was like a second rate job.
00:37:39.280And it attracts people who don't succeed elsewhere in other departments.
00:37:43.740That's my that's my crude gut answer to that one.
00:37:47.180And we see it all the time. And there's been attempts.
00:37:50.020There's, you know, people had a theory that if we just paid more, you would attract better people into politics.
00:37:57.940And that's never going to happen because better people want jobs that are truly rewarding, where they have an impact, where the risk reward ratio is there and where people can make change.
00:38:08.680and and that's not politics and that's not the civil service you know so i i don't know what's
00:38:16.520your theory i'll throw it back at you why i mean you come from another country are
00:38:20.600are brazilian politicians uh different than canadian ones
00:38:24.320no they're much worse so but the thing is marty like for example when good men like yourself like
00:38:32.420if we also like you guys we can see right we we kind of know you because you like every day on
00:38:40.020the internet we we kind of already can pick up like how you guys think what what is your values
00:38:45.780like if like good man's like like yourself like don't put yourself in line like this
00:38:54.120will take over yeah well i'll tell you this here's another here's another reality that's
00:38:59.860happened to politics it's it's uh it's become a uh an institution and a club that looks after
00:39:06.720itself purely and so i guarantee you that if i tried to run tomorrow if i announced my candidature
00:39:12.640to run um a danielle smith would probably cancel it and and decline it not allow me to run but even
00:39:20.240if i ran the machine would literally the first step is to get is to be the candidate and the
00:39:26.100the party would work against me because I'm not an insider and I don't think
00:41:16.600And when I'm thinking out loud, you can hear soundbites from me and then you get a view of how I'm thinking generally in life and my philosophies because my soundbites will come out over and over and over.
00:41:30.640And so and then when Danielle was doing this interview, you hear the same soundbites over and over and over.
00:41:35.940She can't help herself when she's talking.
00:41:38.180And then she brings up things like, you know, she wants to increase immigration because she thinks that that's a way for the province to get more clout.
00:41:45.380And she wants to do this and she wants to do that.
00:41:47.920And so when she's left to talk, she brings up things that show who she truly is.
00:41:54.000And one of the things you realize is that she has an idea in her mind and she's playing a game and she's pretending to ask us what we want.
00:42:03.400But, you know, it's a win-win for her to give us a referendum, right?
00:42:08.460Do you guys want to do, you know, should I shrink inflation?
00:42:12.320And let's say she's already thinking she wants to shrink inflation.
00:42:15.380should I shrink inflation? If we say yes, she goes, bingo, I'll do it. And if we say no,
00:42:19.780she'll like, well, I was non-binding and I'm still going to do it anyways. Right. So she does that a
00:42:24.700lot. And so keep that in mind when you watch her. All right. I got another call. Go ahead. Call her.
00:42:34.780Go ahead. Oh. Hello. Go ahead. I can hear you.
00:42:41.580hi there i was actually just calling in to speak with marty am i speaking with marty
00:42:47.700john it's too i don't know if it's too loud i can i i can hear her you can hear her okay
00:42:55.860try again what's on your mind all right so what i wanted to mention was that if we really want to
00:43:03.180focus on a better candidate we have to stop expecting to do the same things and get the
00:43:09.260results so being motivated by fear is not the way that we're actually going to make any sort of
00:43:15.820sorry you're gonna i can't hear at all like it's just it's just uh
00:43:22.460try again okay one more time is this better better way better there you go okay
00:43:30.220okay awesome yeah so actually what i wanted to mention was the way i see it is we have to look
00:43:35.500at a couple things just concretely what we've done before hasn't made the changes that we want
00:43:40.940to have happen being motivated by fear that mbt is going to be coming into power is not our best
00:43:47.100foot forward planning based on fear is never the best choice we have to get the reality oh i'm sorry
00:43:55.420oh she was onto something good did i lose her or did we lose her her line double beat uh i'm so
00:44:06.760sorry um well maybe she can call again is there another call right now john no um yeah i i i kind
00:44:14.560of think i know where she was going with this you know um i'm oh is she back new caller all right
00:44:21.780let's go with the new caller go ahead caller hi marty it's uh ken call from central alberta
00:44:29.480hey ken how's it going i just want to uh ask you um because of the federal election
00:44:35.120and now this referendum how do you think conservative voters feel about their party
00:44:43.420and voting in general the federal party like the federal conservatives well the federal
00:44:50.740conservatives yes i have an idea on that um we can talk a little later but um just this
00:44:57.660referendum and how danielle has treated treated the uh issues and how do you think conservative
00:45:05.860voters will actually come out and vote in this upcoming provincial election oh okay um well i
00:45:15.820I think that's sort of the topic we're exploring today.
00:45:18.600If I had to guess today, based on what I'm hearing today,
00:45:25.260I would say the UCP would lose some votes.
00:45:33.660I think based on what I saw, what's happening currently,
00:46:06.600A lot can change in the next year, and I think that's what we're exploring.
00:46:10.080I hope that in the next year, Danielle can see that there's a lot of wisdom in really embracing everybody with conservative values, regardless of how they feel about independence.
00:46:28.600Because there's a potential for a federal party for Alberta to form and make a push for federal politics.
00:46:40.080I think there's a big bridge there for that party to reach out to Albertans and say, support the UCP, but know that we're fighting for Alberta on the federal level, and we need provincial politics to align with that.
00:46:57.160Yes, that's happening. And that that yes, that's happening. I can't remember the name of the party, but there is a party being set up. Drew Barnes and a gentleman named C.W. Alexander and others are setting up a federal party modeled a bit after the Bloc Québécois.
00:47:16.880I guess it's kind of modeled after the Reform Party of like 20 years ago kind of thing.
00:47:21.980And I would, me personally, I would have no, I mean, I've done it for all the last elections.
00:47:26.340For the last, I haven't voted federally conservative in the last three or four elections.
00:47:33.200I mean, I basically wasted my vote because it didn't matter to me.
00:47:38.140Real conservatives are never going to get elected federally in this country.
00:47:43.460And so if a party like you're describing, and I know it's going to happen,
00:52:32.560um you're going to see the establishment and the other side and you're going to see that even in
00:52:38.680a party like ours there is a strong strong establishment there's a machine that works
00:52:43.220that has more advantages than us that's for sure yeah yeah i i know that but i just i well i'm just
00:52:51.360getting so fed up with this bs that's it just was it's so frustrating but you're doing the right
00:52:58.320thing by the way you're doing the right thing right so um you're you're you're proving one
00:53:04.000of the points i told you the story or i told you guys the story a couple last week i think
00:53:08.180shane gets in just resigned right shane gets in just resigned and uh shane was a pretty popular
00:53:13.880mla and he's the one that i had a chat with at the agm that's the other beautiful thing about
00:53:18.060the agms these guys the the ucp mlas are generally very accessible they walk around the floor you
00:53:24.000can chat with him which is awesome and he's the one at the AGM two years ago that said to me like
00:53:29.820this is awesome look at this there's 6,000 people and I told him I'm like Shane what are you proud
00:53:33.680of there's 6,000 people because we're pissed off and we're engaged and we're trying to steer you
00:53:38.680guys if you guys were doing a really really really good job we wouldn't be coming to the AGM so the
00:53:44.160fact you're confirming that right this you said this is your first AGM yeah yeah yeah awesome
00:53:50.960Yeah, yeah. So don't be shy. If you see me at the AGM, find me. I think I'll be, I might either be there as media with the Western Standard, but I'm also going to be there as a participant. I mean, I bought my, I'm a member. I want to vote, right? I don't want to just be an observer. But if you see me, don't be shy. Say hi. And I encourage you, like, find those MLAs and chat with them. They're open. They're humans too, right? So find them and chat with them. Thanks for calling.
00:54:19.640Yeah, awesome. Yeah, the other thing I was going to say, I'll give a quick, I think it's, I don't even know who, I wish I knew who now, I feel bad, I'm telling you guys things, but I don't have the links, but somebody, somebody online, like one of the, maybe it's one of the TPAs, maybe it's Jason Levine or somebody, somebody's selling t-shirts for the AGM, and let's say, I voted option two.
00:54:45.760So that's a message, right? That's a cool message. So if like if a thousand people show up at the AGM with a T-shirt that says I voted option two, that's a pretty strong message to Danielle that you can't ignore that when she's going to be giving her speeches. So, all right, this might be the last call. Maybe it's the lady you called earlier. Go ahead. Call her. What's on your mind? And what's your name?
00:55:05.100hello it's uh gordon here i'm marty um uh yeah if i'm the one you're looking for
00:55:16.200go ahead gordon what's on your mind i just want to make a statement i just want to say something
00:55:22.520about covid okay just let me allow here it's not a question i want to make a statement back when
00:55:28.460when we had to go get the covid shot when it was when they said it was mandatory now some people
00:55:34.040say well it was never mandatory well if you were working it was now this is my point back then i
00:55:40.920found out i don't know how i found out about it was something called a serology test you get a
00:55:45.880serology test you pay 50 out of your pocket they got back and he said i was negative that i was
00:55:51.800not a carrier and that i was my system was immune to it i did not get the shot i was working part
00:55:57.640time at the time okay i'm full you're tired now i went to my employer and i was a one-on-one i
00:56:04.620told him this he said have you told anybody else this and i said no i kept it under my hat he said
00:56:11.000please keep it quiet because it said it'll cause chaos and i said okay i'll do it because in my
00:56:16.860book it's time people started doing finding us stuff for themselves because if i told people
00:56:21.740that anyway they wouldn't believe me but you see that's all it took and it did cost me money
00:56:26.700I never got a shot and I'm never going to get a shot. Now, with COVID, again, the vaccine is out. They're saying it's not mandatory. But if it's mandatory, I still got my piece of paper and I'm quite prepared to test myself again for 50 bucks. That's all I want to say.
00:56:42.980No, no. Hey, we're on the same page. You're preaching to the choir. Congratulations. God bless you for doing that. I mean, I, you know, it was the biggest psychological operation in my lifetime, and the pressures to go get vaccinated were immense, right? And so you didn't succumb, and that's awesome. I didn't succumb, and a lot of us, a lot of other people did not. So spread that word, man. Spread that gospel. I'm 100% with you on that one.
00:57:09.840i do every chance i get awesome marty have a good day you too thanks okay well okay well i i guess
00:57:17.920i'm i better keep this sheet of paper because i really really wanted to talk about the eu and
00:57:23.200ursula von der leyen coming to montreal and the snub that uh of of uh pspp uh pierre uh or or