Western Standard - MARTY UP NORTH： Is Danielle Smith betting Alberta’s future on Carney’s promises？

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Marty up north.

00:00:26.680 My name is Josh Andrus.

00:00:28.080 Marty is off hunting this week, so he couldn't handle coming into the office.

00:00:35.020 Handle probably being the wrong word there.

00:00:37.200 He's doing more enjoyable things than sitting here with us at the Western Standard.

00:00:44.060 So, yeah, my name is Josh Andersen.

00:00:45.500 I'm the director of operations at the Western Standard and occasional guest show host.

00:00:49.640 Today's episode is all about Mark Carney.

00:00:52.860 And in particular, it's the fact that Danielle Smith is all in.

00:00:58.080 on Mark Carney. Our jobs, our investment, and our ability to build an economy that we

00:01:03.760 can hand off to future generations have all been pushed to the middle of the table as

00:01:08.680 Smith bets our entire future on a prime minister that shapeshifts on a regular basis. If you

00:01:15.120 haven't read his books, don't. Apparently he meant absolutely nothing by any of them.

00:01:20.960 It almost feels like we lost Danielle Smith the day Mark Carney came to Ottawa after the

00:01:25.400 election and promised her the moon she bought it hook line sinker that's right the premier who was

00:01:35.720 supposed to make ottawa answer to alberta became deeply invested in convincing alberta to trust

00:01:41.320 ottawa i for one will not be convinced to mistake her optimism for our security we were supposed to

00:01:48.920 be addressing the conditions that made alberta vulnerable in the first place the uncertainty

00:01:55.080 the political interference the endless requirement to negotiate our way through federal obstacles

00:02:02.120 before we can turn our own resources into prosperity the structural deficiencies in

00:02:07.880 confederation that continue to create these conditions now the sales pitch revolves around

00:02:14.680 mark what mark carney might approve today carney designated the proposed pacific link pipeline a

00:02:22.680 project of national interest that advances it through a quote-unquote faster federal process

00:02:30.340 with the government targeting september 2027 for the remaining approvals this faster federal

00:02:37.620 process will cost taxpayers approximately four billion dollars apparently they're going to get

00:02:42.660 that back once the oil starts flowing through it but i mean that is if the oil starts flowing

00:02:49.980 through it. And we'll give that its due. Moving the project forward does matter.

00:02:55.540 But listen carefully to what we are celebrating. Just another step towards getting a pipeline built.

00:03:02.820 The designation does not mean that construction is complete, financing is settled, or oil is

00:03:08.120 flowing. Consultation, permits, and financing still have to be addressed and ultimately approved by

00:03:15.400 Ottawa. And it certainly does not settle the larger question of Alberta's place in confederation.

00:03:21.900 The people paid to defend Alberta are now selling Albertans on Ottawa's promises. Look at all the

00:03:28.060 things we get. Project here, an agreement there, another announcement that we're making progress.

00:03:34.320 Meanwhile, where does this leave the next project and the one after that? Does every major investment

00:03:40.940 in alberta need its own political bargain with our savior mark carney if this pipeline gets built

00:03:47.900 celebrate the pipeline but do not tell me that securing special treatment for one project has

00:03:53.340 fixed the conditions that made the special treatment necessary no shovels are in the ground

00:03:58.240 nothing's been built the fiscal imbalances grow with every federal spending announcement

00:04:02.860 every that a ribbon-cutting cabinet minister gets to announce federal liberals are still

00:04:10.700 federal liberals, no matter how desperate the Alberta legislature is to fold the entire

00:04:15.280 government into Mark Carney's open arms. I understand why she wants an agreement.

00:04:20.160 Any premier should pursue new markets for Alberta energy. If she gets a pipeline built to the 0.94

00:04:25.580 Pacific, like I said, she deserves credit. But Albertans are entitled to demand something more 0.57

00:04:31.120 substantial than confidence in her relationship with the prime minister. What happens when that 0.65

00:04:36.140 relationship stops being useful to Mark Carney. Smith recently defended staying at the negotiating

00:04:42.640 table by asking why Alberta would walk away when it was finally winning. In that same appearance,

00:04:48.460 she acknowledged that a future federal government, or maybe even this one, could undo the progress

00:04:54.860 quote-unquote with the stroke of a pen. Premier, that is the entire problem. If this or another

00:05:03.720 federal government can simply reverse your victory then it's not really a victory you haven't fixed

00:05:08.460 the problem you just became the problem you can't acknowledge a vulnerability and then expect

00:05:14.080 everyone to relax because the current prime minister is currently being constructive

00:05:17.700 currently alberta's future extends beyond mark carney's time in office and it extends behind

00:05:24.760 your time in office businesses making investments that take decades to pay off need a foundation

00:05:30.920 that lasts longer than what could be an unproductive meeting between two politicians.

00:05:36.400 And look at what it actually is on paper.

00:05:38.900 The May Implementation Agreement sets out Alberta's industrial carbon pricing commitments through 2040.

00:05:44.120 On the pipeline, it describes conditional designation, further assessment,

00:05:49.480 and best efforts to deliver a conditions document by September 2027.

00:05:58.000 It also makes pipeline construction and the Pathways Carbon Capture Project mutually dependent.

00:06:04.780 Alberta has accepted a detailed policy framework, while the pipeline still has consequential hurdles ahead.

00:06:10.840 The province's own project page says the construction has not started and could begin as early as, again, September 2027,

00:06:19.220 once consultation and the required approvals and permits are complete.

00:06:24.360 There may be progress here, but there is also a considerable distance between progress and

00:06:29.160 oil reaching a new customer. Albertans have every right to withhold the victory parade until that

00:06:34.440 distance has been covered. And Carney does not have to secretly be plotting against Alberta for

00:06:40.040 this arrangement to become a problem. He only has to behave like a politician. He has his own voters,

00:06:46.040 his own caucus, his own electoral calculations. If keeping Alberta happy becomes more politically

00:06:51.320 expensive than disappointing us, what protects our interests then? What happens when the elbows

00:06:56.860 up trade war with Donald Trump starts to have real economic implications in Ontario? It's

00:07:02.240 already starting. Factories are closing, despite Doug Ford's efforts to prop them up with taxpayer

00:07:07.400 money, which, you know, real conservative look there, Dougie. But what happens if the political

00:07:12.840 conditions, you know, the ones attached to Carney upholding his end of this unholy Ottawa-Edmonton

00:07:17.980 bargain become more expensive? What happens if the timelines slip? What happens if Alberta

00:07:23.460 fulfills its commitments and the promised market access remains over the horizon? What happens if

00:07:29.440 Carney caves to the pressure from the Laurentians and adds an export tax on oil and gas? If you

00:07:34.360 expect the bureaucrats in Edmonton to have a detailed answer to that question, well,

00:07:38.600 you'll be sadly disappointed. We, on Monday, reached out to Brian Jean's office and asked

00:07:42.940 they had a contingency plan he's the minister of energy we got nothing no explanation of how alberta

00:07:49.740 would respond no reassurance that our interest would be protected if this arrangement falls apart

00:07:54.300 and yet we're supposed to share their confidence yeah that's right hook line sinker the entire

00:08:04.940 economic philosophy of the alberta government relies on the decisions of mark carney 1.00

00:08:10.600 How long are we expected to keep playing this idiotic game? 0.99

00:08:13.940 Because even a completed pipeline would leave a larger question. 1.00

00:08:17.500 How much control does Alberta really have over its own future?

00:08:22.640 I will not confuse Danielle Smith's confidence in Mark Carney with the long-term economic security of this province.

00:08:28.860 I believe Alberta's future requires a better guarantee.

00:08:33.340 I think that Alberta should receive something durable before everyone declares the country fixed.

00:08:39.820 instead of being asked to provide the confidence up front

00:08:43.640 and hopefully the results will come.

00:08:47.260 Smith has identified nine bad federal laws

00:08:50.500 and policies as obstacles to Alberta's prosperity.

00:08:53.840 What has actually been repealed?

00:08:55.680 What has actually been amended?

00:08:58.020 What has merely been suspended?

00:09:00.700 What depends on this government continuing to honor an agreement?

00:09:04.940 Keep in mind that a suspension always comes

00:09:08.020 with the possibility of a reinstatement,

00:09:10.520 a concession can carry conditions.

00:09:13.520 An individual approval only gets an individual project through.

00:09:18.460 Where is the lasting change that gives the next investor confidence

00:09:22.180 without another round of political bargaining?

00:09:25.220 And please, spare me the suggestion that asking these questions

00:09:28.660 means wanting Smith to fail.

00:09:31.200 I want the pipeline built.

00:09:32.480 I want investment pouring into Alberta.

00:09:34.900 I want workers earning good money

00:09:36.540 and families believing their children can build a future here.

00:09:39.960 That's precisely why I refuse to accept political goodwill

00:09:43.760 as the foundation for all of it.

00:09:46.340 Like I said, Carney has his own interests, his own coalition,

00:09:51.540 his own reasons to offer Alberta enough progress

00:09:54.120 to keep this relationship working.

00:09:56.560 My concern is that she has put on so much of her credibility

00:10:00.160 into this relationship that admitting its limitations

00:10:03.760 has become politically painful.

00:10:06.200 Every little concession we get from Ottawa is used as a platform for Danielle Smith to announce that her strategy is working.

00:10:12.980 Every objection becomes an inconvenience to the story that she is trying to sell us.

00:10:18.900 If all we get is a better relationship with the people who can still tell us no, she has settled for far too little.

00:10:25.280 It's almost as though after another conservative defeat federally,

00:10:30.760 Danielle Smith lost faith that Alberta could get the change it needed

00:10:34.120 and started lowering her expectations on our behalf.

00:10:38.220 That is what troubles me.

00:10:40.120 I can accept the Premier changing tactics after an election.

00:10:43.740 She does have to work with whoever occupies the Prime Minister's office.

00:10:47.260 But Albertans deserve to know whether the objectives have changed along with the tactics.

00:10:51.800 When did secure lasting, and I'm going to say it again,

00:10:54.900 lasting protection for Alberta become securing whatever Mark Carney is prepared to offer?

00:11:01.440 When did the premier's job become persuading us to be satisfied with the status quo?

00:11:07.060 The federal election did not make Alberta's grievances disappear, it did not make our

00:11:11.520 demands unreasonable, and it certainly did not give our premier a mandate to bargain down our

00:11:16.520 expectations. If anything, another federal conservative defeat made her responsibility

00:11:21.980 greater. Albertans needed someone prepared to defend their interests through another government

00:11:26.560 they did not choose. Instead, I increasingly feel that we are being asked to accommodate

00:11:32.780 Ottawa's political reality while Ottawa faces less pressure to accommodate ours. I cannot tell you

00:11:39.680 whether Danielle Smith has lost the will to fight. I can tell you that her enthusiasm for this

00:11:44.600 relationship leaves me questioning what she is still prepared to fight for. Mark Carney winning

00:11:49.580 an election was a reason for us to reassess our strategy not to reduce our ambitions there was

00:11:56.020 absolutely no reason to bet alberta's economic future entirely on liberal red danielle smith

00:12:03.080 has gambled her political reputation on mark carney and we deserve to know why our future had

00:12:08.280 to be part of the wager that brings me to the end of the monologue uh so i have not yet asked for

00:12:15.420 callers uh but you can join the conversation please call us at 866-479-9378 extension 711

00:12:23.120 i'll go through the comments here oh rosanne hutchins says always a treat when josh shows up 1.00

00:12:29.380 thank you rosanne uh what have we got uh the snake oil man lies and now the girl must have

00:12:35.420 been compromised somewhere or following along then next year another vote um the marty show

00:12:43.480 with josh isn't josh the boss uh i got a lot of respect for marty so i'm not going to change

00:12:50.700 the name of his show just because i take it over for a week uh what else have we got again uh you

00:12:57.000 can call in um carney made a pro make made a promise a promise that he won't keep says tml fan 0.91

00:13:06.180 uh 8708 carney was at the oiler game and refused to stand for a veteran scumbag yeah i saw that

00:13:14.900 um i'm not i haven't independently verified whether that image is accurate but

00:13:20.040 i mean to me national pride should be very veteran centric like i don't go when i'm standing

00:13:30.480 for the national anthem at a calgary flames game or stampede game wherever i am i'm not

00:13:35.640 standing because i love the song i'm standing to show support for the troops the the people who

00:13:44.440 signed up to put their lives online if we ever have our sovereignty legitimately threatened

00:13:50.840 and uh i i don't necessarily think trump is that threat but uh carney might disagree with you um 0.87

00:13:58.820 bashing danielle will only lead to nancy taking the next election

00:14:03.100 i don't think you want that either criticize her but how about some solutions yeah i got some

00:14:09.080 solutions like let's have a conversation about why we're in this position like we can't claim

00:14:15.940 that this mou solves all our problems if the nine bad laws are only given one time exemption and we

00:14:21.960 have another like the political calculus in ottawa changes we are entirely exposed i mean smith is

00:14:28.720 gambling everything on this deal but we aren't getting i think we need concrete solutions to

00:14:34.660 the problem not just like one-off goals like i think the issue that the ucp has and i've said

00:14:41.580 this in previous videos is that smith's kind of occupying this dangerous middle ground and it's

00:14:48.320 a narrow middle ground she's trying to convince federalists who i'm not saying that they are all

00:14:54.480 status quo federalist but there are a lot of them that think that you know we don't need to really

00:14:59.360 fix anything canada's great but the federalists who aren't prepared to leave the country and the

00:15:04.480 separate or the independent supporters that want to leave tomorrow and what she's doing is she's

00:15:09.440 trying to appeal to all of them by taking both sides of it i think what she needs to do is find

00:15:17.600 you know what what would what would canada look like if if we wanted to get rid of the

00:15:22.880 the independent sentiment like what is the what is your vision for canada i mean if the vision is

00:15:28.060 like one-off agreements for a pipeline here there that's fine like but say that i mean but i think

00:15:35.000 that we need to have a real conversation about the structural deficiencies in this confederation

00:15:40.580 i haven't heard jason nixon use the word equalization once since he became the finance

00:15:46.680 minister and again i challenge anybody watching to find me a quote where jason nixon the finance

00:15:52.140 minister of the government of alberta is talking about this fiscal imbalances in confederation

00:15:57.580 actually you know what let's expand that to the entire cabinet have any of the 24 cabinet ministers

00:16:03.080 commented on that in the last six months or are they too afraid to inflame tensions like this is

00:16:09.020 a party that is running away from itself we're not standing up for anything we're just taking

00:16:15.160 whatever we can get from ottawa and selling it to the membership and to the conservative base as if

00:16:20.640 it's the solution doesn't um okay sorry about that went off on a bit of a rant but you know

00:16:30.800 what yeah i do not want mark i don't want nahid nenshi to win at all i want i want smith

00:16:38.980 to solve the problem i mean and it's not an easy fix it's been 120 years we've been going through

00:16:47.500 this. I mean, you could go back to, you know, before we even became a province, you know,

00:16:52.920 Senator Lougheed, James Lougheed, was writing articles in the Calgary Herald. I think R.B.

00:16:58.320 Bennett, who went on to become prime minister, a Calgary lawyer at the time, was writing articles

00:17:03.640 explaining how the way that Alberta was being accepted into the confederation without control

00:17:09.620 of our natural resources, which was something that was granted to the original provinces,

00:17:13.300 would create tension it took us 25 years to negotiate that then came the well we had the

00:17:23.180 national energy program but uh what was pierre trudeau and fighting for constitutional jurisdiction

00:17:30.920 of those natural resources we've had to fight for everything we get we have to fight like crazy

00:17:36.920 like but these are the structural deficiencies equalization started in 1957 and it's become the

00:17:43.940 biggest bane in albertans pockets and it's not equalization it's just one program every single

00:17:50.480 federal transfer they take more money out of your pocket to give you that money back

00:17:55.600 like we albertans pay on average 15 percent of all federal tax collected and yet the federal

00:18:03.380 government on average spends about 11 because that's the percentage of the population national

00:18:08.900 population that lives here we over contribute i mean health care is a prime example of that

00:18:15.220 again massive federal transfers back billions of dollars coming in to pay for health care in this

00:18:21.140 province money that the federal government taxes you for like they take that money and then they

00:18:25.540 they dribble it back you don't get it all back these are real real issues a one pipeline isn't

00:18:34.260 going to solve that still no callers what have we got here what has uh what has Connie got on

00:18:48.500 smith and well i i you know i don't think he's got any dirt on her i i think that's uh a stretch

00:18:55.480 um i just for whatever reason think that she has been charmed by mark carney and that

00:19:04.400 despite his track record despite his public positions the books he's written on climate

00:19:11.180 change and how we have like all of that is everything that he's done up to this point

00:19:17.460 completely bunk well i i i don't know and i also think that there's internal pressure

00:19:21.960 that there are senior government officials who hate the concept of independence even as a

00:19:28.720 leverage threat they just hate it they they are so proudly patriotic that the concept of being

00:19:36.460 called a separatist makes them freak out and they also sit at the cabinet table

00:19:45.120 so they have a voice in every decision that this government makes.

00:19:50.280 I think there's 24 cabinets.

00:19:52.120 I think there's too many.

00:19:53.260 Anyways, we have a call on the line.

00:19:57.140 How are you today?

00:19:58.180 Good. How are you?

00:20:00.460 Good, good.

00:20:01.700 Rich, I'm the cabinet.

00:20:03.320 Nice to meet you, Rick.

00:20:04.300 Thanks for calling in.

00:20:05.340 What do you got?

00:20:05.780 What's on your mind?

00:20:06.660 You know, I bet it was,

00:20:09.720 but we can go through a few things at a time as far as the things,

00:20:13.080 and I'm thinking of what you're talking about right now.

00:20:16.000 the first thing i was worried about what jeremy parkas was doing right now you know every single

00:20:20.800 time you can get in front of a microphone he's got something to say and he's pushing this narrative

00:20:27.200 about the fear and the model the fear-mongering and the and uh this report came out and look at

00:20:34.240 this how bad it's going to be and if we if we leave this is what's going to happen and uh

00:20:40.480 and then there's a side issue of say uh crew members taken down let alberta decide boards

00:20:49.200 uh you notice that they didn't accidentally take any forever canadian boards now um

00:20:54.960 i i will comment on that um do i believe that it was an accident that the independent signs

00:21:04.060 were taken down and that the uh no to the nine signs are still up is a accident no but um i think

00:21:12.840 it's hard to i i think it's hard to point that one directly at farkas because like it very easily

00:21:18.200 could have just been some city worker that took it upon themselves to take the signs down that

00:21:24.000 vehemently opposes it but farkas has you know contributed to that attitude he has definitely

00:21:31.960 um i mean he he's he's creating more tension there than is necessary and

00:21:42.340 yeah i i don't believe every report that comes out that says that independence will be economically

00:21:49.800 devastating i do believe that we have to take some time to develop institutions that have

00:21:55.540 longevity uh we do uh one of the things that we need to do is become less reliant on the federal

00:22:01.780 government for basic services and and the key way to do that is to just you know do them ourselves

00:22:08.820 like we should like the health the canada health act we can get into that um but that's that's

00:22:14.580 like like i talked about that earlier like it's another example where the federal government

00:22:19.060 sends us money for health care but they've taxed us way more and but we still take the money we

00:22:24.980 We need that money to spend it on the health care.

00:22:27.200 But if they were out of our pockets, I think that would be a lot easier. 0.84

00:22:29.860 So I think that there's a significant constituency of establishment figures in this city, right and left, that have congregated around this concept that we have to defeat the independence question, damn the consequences. 0.92

00:22:48.940 It doesn't matter. 0.77

00:22:50.020 We take whatever we can get right now.

00:22:52.400 Say whatever you can right now. 1.00

00:22:53.740 Let's kill this thing. 0.99

00:22:54.980 And what it's going to do is it's just going to embed the structural deficiencies at a level that makes it harder for them to fix it. 0.99

00:23:06.600 And another thing, too, is economically speaking, yes, our population has grown substantially faster than it should.

00:23:16.660 And that is a federal immigration issue.

00:23:19.980 And Smith has put these referendum questions on the ballot, and I think that she's correct to do so.

00:23:24.980 But. The fact is that we are going our economy and I'm just going to say it, our economy has typically grown faster than the rest of the country, and that requires a lot of young workers and they come from the rest of the country and they they they get jobs.

00:23:43.800 That's why we consistently have the youngest population in the country.

00:23:47.200 And if we have public officials like Farkas and others that are slamming the, that are

00:23:53.080 like refusing to acknowledge the structural deficiencies because it could weaken this

00:23:59.980 fragile agreement that we have with Mark Carney.

00:24:02.840 I mean, we're jumping through hoop after hoop after hoop to get a single pipeline.

00:24:05.740 And by the way, the hoops are costing billions of dollars to jump through.

00:24:09.040 Why it costs $4 billion to get a pipeline approved is beyond me.

00:24:13.800 I mean, I'd like to see that costed, but it's, we have, it's the, the establishment,

00:24:20.360 the establishment is so fundamentally against this concept that they are doing whatever they

00:24:25.800 can to crush it. You've got the mainstream media. I mean, Globe and Mail is hammering it.

00:24:32.680 CTV news. I can't watch global news. Like I watch like shows on global sometimes. And as soon as

00:24:38.000 the news comes on, it's like this, like, you know, when you're just sitting there scrolling,

00:24:41.560 you're not really watching but i have to change channel because something annoys me

00:24:45.480 like you're preaching to the choir on that yeah yeah it's frustrating and you you it gets to the

00:24:51.960 point where you just people say even my mom who's a 72 and a cbc watcher goes no i listen to all

00:24:58.600 points of view and i'm like i know what you're just being so you know but we have good discussions

00:25:03.480 but i'm back on the healthcare issue you were done with health transfers there's something there that

00:25:07.720 is a real significant issue uh it seems like it's something you're keenly interested in

00:25:12.840 and you talk about those uh transfers yes they give us 11 of the you know based on our population

00:25:19.880 because it's per capita but what it doesn't account for is the structures we need that

00:25:26.440 is a provincial and the facilities and so we fall we're falling behind because of that rapid

00:25:34.360 uh and growth of our immigration we we should like they like every single fact like

00:25:42.980 danielle smith when she was shortly after she was first elected but it was like very early in her

00:25:49.360 term uh her government passed the provincial priorities act the provincial priorities act

00:25:54.420 was designed to look at every federal agreement that we have whether it be the health act agreement

00:25:59.800 I don't know what they call that, but we did sign something like every agreement that we have to just to see how much we get back and how much we spent.

00:26:10.140 But if you add all of them up, that's where you get the massive fiscal imbalance numbers like equalization, I think, only accounts for like seven and a half billion a year.

00:26:19.540 But it's it is it's the it's that for, I guess, more than four percent on the fiscal imbalance side.

00:26:26.280 like again we pay 15 16 in federal taxes again the i haven't done the numbers in a couple years so

00:26:31.820 this has probably changed but like the attitude from the political establishment is that right now

00:26:40.700 it's all all pushing to try and crush the independence movement like that's all they

00:26:47.940 care about and i she made a statement the other day that you know if we vote yes to the other nine

00:26:55.100 that she will have leverage and i i'm not there i think that the independence vote is

00:27:03.720 a the biggest chip that we had in the negotiation and i think by crushing that number

00:27:10.960 and but and i'm i will comment on the polls like the polls don't look good but they're also

00:27:16.100 fluctuating wildly like i'm seeing 35 i'm seeing 22 like if you've got two numbers coming out that

00:27:21.660 that different within two weeks of each other either your methodology is completely wrong or

00:27:26.540 nobody knows what's going on so that might be a lot of times with those holes yeah i think a lot

00:27:32.060 of times with those holes how many which you you know that the people that do those holes more

00:27:37.740 often generally are closer to center or left yes i do know typically there's like a three to five

00:27:45.180 yeah so that's a contributing factor but i also know that there's been a chilling a cooling on

00:27:52.620 people wanting to step up and say yes i am because think of a freedom convoy and even people who just

00:28:00.380 donated had their bank accounts frozen and so forth so that really impacted people willing to

00:28:07.340 stand up publicly and say yeah yeah i'm for this and i know what the people just like talk to

00:28:13.340 in calgary and i have a property up near gall lake so in the schnilke county area

00:28:19.820 it doesn't matter if i'm rural or if i'm in the urban area i know the numbers are a lot

00:28:25.980 higher now i i find of all kinds now lots less than the world there is obviously very much

00:28:31.900 support there but yeah and i think there's a cooling of that and that's why i think honestly

00:28:37.660 My feeling of it, not if this is scientific or anything, is that it's probably going to be about a 35 to 37%.

00:28:48.220 And I think that's a good number, actually. 0.83

00:28:51.140 I do, too.

00:28:51.920 That's realistic.

00:28:52.640 Like, if you get over 30, like, you got to look at the last provincial election.

00:28:58.780 I think Smith had, like, 53%.

00:29:01.280 Like, 31% of that 53% is voting to start the process of leaving the country.

00:29:06.380 and you're standing there like promoting this deal like and this is the way i don't understand like

00:29:12.960 i don't understand the vision that the establishment has right now i don't understand how you're going

00:29:19.560 to put the genie back in the bottle because look i'm not the most full-throated uh supporter of

00:29:25.520 independence like there are other cory morgan would take the cake on that like i i am supporting

00:29:31.720 the referendum i am going to be voting option two um but i've seen things in group chats online

00:29:43.240 by conservatives things said to people that support independence that if somebody said that

00:29:49.740 to me i'd never talk to you again like that is the rhetoric that's coming out of the establishment

00:29:56.340 right now and yeah if you get 31 if you get 37 even 25 it's about half your base right if those

00:30:07.020 people feel like they're not motivated to support you and the other side feels that the government

00:30:16.720 is in the wrong by putting the referendum on the table in the first place i don't know how you get

00:30:22.060 those two groups to get back together unless you do something where you're putting a path on the

00:30:29.420 table that focuses on dealing with the long-term impacts of this vote mainly you have to deal with

00:30:38.360 the root cause and i don't think that there's an appetite for it i think there's a lot of people

00:30:43.800 that just say we'll never be able to fix this this is the best we can do and you know what the voters

00:30:50.280 of Calgary Shaw said that is not good enough and I don't think that's because Calgary Shaw has

00:30:56.540 morphed into some moderate NDP constituency and that Nahed Nenshi is doing a fantastic job of

00:31:04.800 coming off as a moderate not a socialist I just think it's because there's two sides here the

00:31:10.840 independent side and the federalist side that are neither one of them are believing that the current

00:31:19.540 direction of the government captures their voice and if you're in that kind of a position in

00:31:27.360 leadership where you're not selling both sides you're gonna have your your people that show up

00:31:32.520 just because uh just pure hatred to the ndp and and i i love those people but it's the

00:31:41.020 you need all three groups to win my favorite name my favorite my favorite name this week actually

00:31:49.240 was you uh if you're you're a big fan of orange man bad and it was a picture of

00:31:56.060 orange man bad yeah well and that's that's like yes no i understand we do need to have a message

00:32:04.540 that the people can do with it.

00:32:06.580 And it's unfortunate that Koliath cannot get the support 0.64

00:32:10.440 in the East that would be necessary to form a government.

00:32:13.440 His message yesterday is that, you know,

00:32:17.980 the answer is that it is that we can fix it from within.

00:32:20.940 We can't unless you can get the support down there.

00:32:24.520 It's that simple, and that's the whole point of this entire thing.

00:32:28.080 Now, you were mentioning something earlier about the,

00:32:31.520 Daniel Smith saying about the voting the nine,

00:32:33.620 and even voting for option one,

00:32:36.080 and then it would give her the leverage.

00:32:37.720 The question I have about, on the first five questions,

00:32:42.640 she doesn't need any leverage.

00:32:44.880 Those are all provincial things,

00:32:47.000 and they have the authority to do those things

00:32:49.260 if you want to do anyway.

00:32:50.860 She put those out there just to grant cover

00:32:54.060 because they want to do those things, 0.84

00:32:55.900 but they want cover so they can do those things.

00:32:58.000 The other four require cooperation with other provinces.

00:33:02.820 but the first five are all

00:33:05.300 in her purview already and she has

00:33:07.260 the power to do those things and 1.00

00:33:09.160 prevent them. In the majority government

00:33:11.060 she could vote them all in. I think part of

00:33:13.280 it was to try and get

00:33:14.760 I think part of it

00:33:17.360 was to try and get and we got another call

00:33:19.240 waiting so I appreciate you

00:33:21.200 taking the time. What was your name?

00:33:23.940 It's Rick.

00:33:24.920 Rick, thanks for calling in Rick.

00:33:27.540 Yeah, I can

00:33:29.100 touch on that a little bit. 1.00

00:33:32.820 Smith my frustration is especially right now I don't there was a point uh when when she was early

00:33:47.740 on uh where she can be like decisive like you know when she makes a decision and it's a good 0.88

00:33:55.320 decision and she she just sticks to her guns and and she's made a decision to gamble everything

00:34:03.300 on this this Mark Carney deal and and I'm going to also comment on uh Paul Yev because again

00:34:12.500 it's it is unfortunate it's it's it's rough I mean the last poll came out and there's this I

00:34:19.780 think it's 16 17 point gap like things haven't been this bad since before joke like i don't

00:34:26.200 think we've ever had such a dominant liberal party but pierre was better before he became

00:34:35.540 the establishment i think the problem is the establishment i think there's too many people

00:34:43.080 that jump from Jason Kenney's government to Pierre Polyev's leadership campaign

00:34:51.600 and are now working their way back into the Alberta legislature.

00:34:55.500 Some of them have moved on to the B.C. Conservatives with the shotgun campaign.

00:34:59.240 I think they're the problem.

00:35:00.640 So, anyways, I got a call on the line.

00:35:03.400 Can you hear me?

00:35:06.360 Good afternoon, Marty.

00:35:07.920 It's Rimby John from Rimby, Alberta.

00:35:10.600 How are you, sir?

00:35:11.200 Well, I'm good.

00:35:12.060 I'm not Marty, but I'll consider myself an almost as good-looking virgin.

00:35:16.780 How's that?

00:35:18.200 I'm Josh.

00:35:18.980 Well, no, it's all good, sir.

00:35:21.040 Perfect.

00:35:21.560 Josh, I just tuned into your show.

00:35:25.440 Thank you for your show.

00:35:27.200 Thank you for your calling.

00:35:28.720 I appreciate it, sir.

00:35:29.960 I appreciate you calling in.

00:35:31.240 Do you have a comment or a question?

00:35:34.360 Well, my comment would be, sir, I'm from Wimby, Alberta.

00:35:39.980 I'm a freehold, all mine, and mineral owner.

00:35:43.900 21% of the province is owned privately by mineral owners.

00:35:49.700 Some of us, about 8% or 9%, you know, wait, 11% is owned by Indigenous, you know. 0.98

00:36:00.340 My comment would be, sir, I am for separation in Alberta. 0.99

00:36:06.900 I think we've been abused for far too long, sir.

00:36:10.600 I think anybody in Alberta, sir, I think all we ever wanted was for 50 years now.

00:36:19.780 We just wanted a fair deal.

00:36:22.940 We want to be treated fairly, sir.

00:36:25.720 I agree.

00:36:26.820 With equity, with equity, integrity.

00:36:30.300 And that goes from my indigenous friends in Hulvima.

00:36:33.940 All my friends in Alberta.

00:36:36.900 We just want to be treated fair with equity.

00:36:41.300 We pay all the bills in Canada.

00:36:43.240 That's okay.

00:36:44.100 We just want to be treated fair, my friend.

00:36:46.680 And we haven't been, and that's why we have the referendum vote on October the 19th.

00:36:52.000 I am voting number two on question 10.

00:36:55.880 And I got to say, my friend, I'm an immigrant, sir.

00:36:59.700 I'm from Norway.

00:37:01.140 My family came from Norway in 1895 to America, to Hendor, Minnesota.

00:37:09.100 We prospered very well there, sir.

00:37:11.700 I'm a part American.

00:37:14.420 And a lot of people in Canada, a lot of people, sir, and I could just cry on the phone call.

00:37:21.620 My grandfather, who came from Ontario, he lied about his age as a kid.

00:37:28.100 He was like 16 years old.

00:37:29.420 he went into world war one he fought for the dominion of canada sir he fought for this country

00:37:37.500 and people in alberta call me i'm a traitor i'm i'm a racist i'm a different that because i i want

00:37:47.380 alberta to be better independence i'm not a traitor my my family fought for the dominion

00:37:55.060 of canada sir my grandfather was gassed with mustard gas in 1917 mark carney sits down during

00:38:05.260 the veteran ceremony at opening night at roger center or roger's place last night again that's

00:38:12.240 alleged but no i mean that's i i'm the same way like my all four of my grandparents were born in

00:38:18.340 this province but all four of their families came up through the united states from another country

00:38:23.340 whether it be Sweden or well actually not all yeah like well half not all of them but like

00:38:29.780 enough um they all came up through the states from places like Sweden or Germany or you know

00:38:36.820 France like that we're all like that is the the genesis of what this province is and and and and

00:38:45.680 with that like the migration patterns especially when we developed as a country we brought a lot

00:38:52.060 of the ideals from the americans up with that migration people were just they like there wasn't

00:38:57.980 enough room in pennsylvania and so instead of working in the mines they came up for an opportunity

00:39:03.280 to have a farm in you know innisfail or ecville or rimby um like that's that is what has been the

00:39:11.160 genesis and i think that gives alberta a different culture i do i believe that we are a province and

00:39:18.160 pierre said it the other day like we are an innovative province we've had to be innovative

00:39:22.400 the federal government's 3 000 kilometers away from 2000 or from 1883 when we started calling

00:39:30.500 or settling out here to probably when when did airplanes uh 1940s airplanes became kind of a

00:39:39.280 bigger thing like we were three it took three days to get across the country like we've had to to

00:39:44.740 stand on our own we can't historically rely on the federal government and and i think that has

00:39:51.020 established us as as our own kind of a culture like we are pioneers and and that pioneering

00:39:57.580 spirit shows up in every industry that we create uh look at the wildcatters uh that were drilling

00:40:04.040 for oil in the 40s that struck black gold and we now have a downtown calgary core with office

00:40:11.520 buildings and a skyline that really rivals any other city in this country and many in the United

00:40:17.340 States. Alberta should have fair treatment, but we don't. And simply signing an agreement for

00:40:26.760 a single pipeline to get approved by the Majors Projects Office does not deal with the structural

00:40:32.000 deficiencies in this province. That pioneering spirit and entrepreneurial and innovative

00:40:39.080 thought process that has been ingrained in generations of Albertans has created this

00:40:47.900 economy that the federal government then takes way more than we pay in or doesn't give us like

00:40:56.260 the services that we pay for I think that's the issue like and I the thing that worries me about

00:41:04.640 this this this deal with carney is that smith can't even talk about the grievances without

00:41:10.320 making this deal look like it's less than it than she says it is she says this deal is the reason

00:41:18.140 that we look at we can show that you know canada works for alberta we got one pipeline that might

00:41:25.660 be built in september of next year that's what we got but she can't say anything about the

00:41:32.920 structural deficiencies. Like that's the frustrating part I have. I, I, I, and I don't

00:41:39.180 think she's completely cooked, but she, if, if this deal doesn't happen, like if Mark Carney

00:41:46.580 finds a reason to wiggle out of it, she's, she's put all of her eggs in this basket. Like she needs

00:41:54.020 this unholy agreement to hold and produce more than it is. It can't just hold for the next

00:42:01.820 three weeks it has to hold through september of next year and it has to lead to more

00:42:08.840 it's we need more like this is a frustrating situation to be in um what does um oh why can't

00:42:22.200 mark boucher says why can't conservatives take yes for an answer i don't know what the question is

00:42:28.400 dumbass but but sir god has blessed alberta went to third you can argue about it the third or

00:42:40.320 largest third or fourth largest oil reserves in the world and we want to share that with everybody 0.96

00:42:48.640 sir you cannot meet more generous people in the world than albertans we want to share our wealth

00:42:57.440 We want to share with everybody.

00:42:59.660 We're not greedy, but you can't hold us back.

00:43:03.880 Like, let us go.

00:43:05.680 Let us prosper.

00:43:07.320 The other thing, sir, do you realize Ralph Klein, a lot of people don't know this, sir.

00:43:13.260 Ralph Klein, when he was in the premiership in Alberta, there are six seats on OPEC.

00:43:22.040 Alberta has one of those seats invited.

00:43:24.820 I don't know if we're still there or not, sir.

00:43:26.460 We are so wealthy. God gave us these resources, sir, to help everybody in the world. Every Albertan that I know, Cowboys, Oilmen, rural Alberta, and we've been here, my family, Crummy Sturdle, Wendy, 118 years.

00:43:46.720 we are very generous family people christians we help everybody and we love to share the wealth

00:43:56.540 and we're not able to do that because of i think there's a difference between willful philanthropy

00:44:04.680 and uh forced redistribution um i agree with you i love the fact that we can

00:44:16.560 contribute I think the issue is that there's a lot of federal policies that create areas in which

00:44:24.360 we as a province need to address the fiscal imbalances I think Smith pointed out that the

00:44:30.880 federal immigration policies that have brought I don't know how many people into Alberta but

00:44:35.800 they cost about a billion dollars in taxpayer funded services so you know health care education

00:44:41.980 and so on and so forth and they contribute about 150 million in tax revenue now the issue that we

00:44:48.780 have is that when we pay our federal taxes we don't get all of it back in the province and when

00:44:54.640 we grow faster than the rest of the country we need to build services that everybody can rely on

00:45:01.220 and yeah I am voting to support options one for I'm probably going to vote yes to the 10 actually

00:45:09.980 maybe that should be a slogan yes to the 10 but um we're we're in a position here

00:45:16.720 sure are you voting option two i'm voting option two yes i'm voting off

00:45:21.240 just want to clarify that yes i am yep so yeah like i think i think the issue that we have as

00:45:31.260 a province is that we don't have anybody that's presenting a vision of how we're going to fix

00:45:36.480 the structural deficiencies we've got smith pounding the drum on this one-off agreement

00:45:43.340 that's not a long-term solution to the issues maybe that's the pivot after the referendum but

00:45:50.480 i mean i well i'm worried that the deal being in place severely restricts her political

00:45:57.140 maneuverability here can can i interrupt you for one moment yes absolutely daniel smith

00:46:04.600 jason nixon whether you're an ex-politician we call him fat stall and jason kenny rachel not

00:46:12.440 head not leave if you leave politics i'm sorry you've left okay to me i was sitting government

00:46:20.120 in alberta and i voted for her i love her daniel snith our current government whether it be ndp

00:46:28.960 liberal whatever currently when you have a vote sir the all albertans worldwide on a referendum

00:46:36.760 on a question you should stay neutral sir you should not open your mouth about i'm gonna vote

00:46:44.380 yes i'm gonna vote no i'm not gonna vote you should be neutral put the question to albertans

00:46:50.980 and put it to them and let them vote don't influence them with four million dollars in

00:46:56.400 campaign funds yeah which are my oral money page for i'm just saying with all due respect sir

00:47:02.740 if you're an ex-politician or sitting in your current government don't comment just please

00:47:08.600 let your constituents vote yes no or don't vote at all that that is a democratic you know that

00:47:16.680 my grandfather fought world war one and he came back with mustard gas and the one thing he said

00:47:24.260 to my family was he said to me wendy john a glass of water has more value than a human being that's

00:47:33.260 sad that's sad we've learned nothing over a lot of years my friend these politicians okay put the

00:47:39.800 vote forward if you're just put the vote forward sir let it stand on its own let people answer the

00:47:47.840 question in the ballot booth yes no or abstain that's okay that's called democracy i'm an off

00:47:57.020 balance here yep no you're dead on that's why i let you talk for so long but i do have to move on

00:48:02.460 to other callers uh yeah join the conversation thank you very much for taking time um i hope

00:48:08.180 jason nixon uh watches this at some point that is one of your voters so uh i don't think he's

00:48:14.180 the only one in your riding that uh is thinking this and again like there are way too many

00:48:21.020 establishment figures that completely disregard the structural deficiencies here that have led

00:48:26.120 us to the point where we are voting on whether or not we are going to remain in the country

00:48:29.560 like that is something that i i found very frustrating when i worked in that building

00:48:35.720 i'm glad i'm not there anymore because i i think i would i would have lost my mind by now but

00:48:40.660 it's just so frustrating the fact that we continue to go down these paths and

00:48:46.940 this if let's we're i'm just gonna if we vote to stay which the polls indicate that's gonna happen

00:48:56.000 i mean i again hope to god that's not the case but that's the way it looks like it's going

00:49:04.560 and if the rest of the country says you know good work you know pats us on the head god that's

00:49:10.500 over let's move on and and just says like this is a win for the status quo that's what i'm worried

00:49:17.040 about that this is a win that this will be framed as a win for the status quo that's 55 65 75 percent

00:49:25.840 of albertans voted to not bother fixing any of the problems and that's going to be the the takeaway

00:49:32.080 from the establishment figures in ottawa and edmonton with whether it be within the conservative

00:49:36.720 movement or without it and now we've got federal politicians who are you know whether it be

00:49:42.600 candidates for nomination or uh conservative mps that are making the case that we will fix it that

00:49:48.860 we have if you trust us we'll fix it i'm sorry you've had 120 years there are people that are

00:49:56.320 running for office that were involved in the reform party in 1988 that are now candidates

00:50:01.280 for the Conservative Party of Canada that accomplished absolutely nothing in the last

00:50:05.800 30, 40 years, 40 years, absolutely nothing. And they're telling us, yeah, trust us to fix it.

00:50:13.700 Well, you did a good job in 1988. And I don't mean to pour cold water on the efforts of the

00:50:19.980 reform party, because at the time it was a movement. And this is the antithesis. This is

00:50:28.260 the the not the antithesis the the evolution of that movement we have got to the point where we

00:50:34.840 are no longer asking whether we want in we are asking whether we want out this needs to be

00:50:41.640 addressed the fundamental underlying issues that lead to the fiscal imbalances that lead to the

00:50:50.100 power imbalances we only have 37 out of the 341 seats in the house of commons ontario and quebec

00:50:57.300 combined have over 200 like that's enough just alone to make a majority carney doesn't need us

00:51:02.900 the liberals don't need us and and i think the issue that we have is is right now of course we're

00:51:08.060 going to get the full red carpet canada is great alberta we're happy to be a part we're happy that

00:51:15.240 you are a part of it here's your pipeline here's your little agreement here's your mou we'll give

00:51:20.680 you one we'll give you two maybe i think it's only one and then on october the 20th there is

00:51:28.020 absolutely no reason to continue this conversation that canada alberta voted to stay in the country

00:51:35.540 and that you know that's just it that's what i'm worried about and we again we reached out to brian

00:51:44.020 gene's office and we asked him the minister of energy whether they had a contingency plan in

00:51:49.880 place that was monday it's thursday at noon and they haven't got back to us they don't have one

00:51:56.680 they are entirely convinced this is the bureau this is the top of the food chain in that government

00:52:06.220 has no plans if mark carney turns around and says yeah we're gonna hit trump with an export tariff

00:52:12.520 on oil and gas and there's nothing alberta can do about it because they just voted to stay in the

00:52:18.080 country. Yeah. How are you going to look then? But they don't care because the only thing they're

00:52:25.320 thinking about is surviving the next three weeks. They don't have a long-term vision. They don't

00:52:29.340 have a long-term strategy. And that's what they need. If you're going to keep the United

00:52:34.200 Conservative Party together, you have to provide a unified vision. What's going to keep these two

00:52:40.640 factions in the same tent? Because simply going around and promoting a single pipeline that might

00:52:47.400 be built in 11 months. It's not going to solve the problem. It's going to make it worse. It's

00:52:53.460 going to make nobody believe it. It's going to burn all your credibility. And maybe it's already

00:52:57.360 over. Maybe we're already in the position. Like, I mean, look, Danielle Smith and her team

00:53:04.820 are capable, the most capable people in the politics in this province of pulling rabbits

00:53:11.420 out of hats. I mean, they're great at it. The Sovereignty Act, I think, is a prime example of

00:53:18.740 that. But sometimes the rabbit they pull out of the hat is dead, like it was in 2014 when she and

00:53:27.500 nine MLAs that all seemed to be working in high levels of the Alberta legislature crossed the

00:53:33.800 floor to the PCs and decimated their own careers. But then she had the Sovereignty Act.

00:53:43.760 She became the premier of this province. She maintained the support of the coalition,

00:53:50.540 won an election over Rachel Notley, and then watched the establishment conservatives crumble

00:53:59.040 in the federal election and I don't know it's almost like it was just complete panic

00:54:06.660 I don't get it I don't understand it

00:54:11.100 anyways we got five minutes left um

00:54:16.100 we can go through some of the comments let me pop some up on the screen there John

00:54:21.680 and if anybody wants to call in I'll take one more call but not as long as the last two I am

00:54:26.860 I am going to put the foot down on the next caller.

00:54:30.020 Although, I appreciate Rick, and I forgot the other gentleman's name,

00:54:32.860 but thank you very much for calling.

00:54:37.420 We're just getting the format up there.

00:54:47.460 I actually saw one on Keith Wilson.

00:54:49.860 Let's close on that.

00:54:52.840 I don't know if it's in there somewhere.

00:54:56.860 Phillips Deb 137

00:55:00.420 Can I do it?

00:55:01.960 No I can't do it

00:55:03.060 137pm

00:55:06.900 Scroll down

00:55:08.600 I'll read it

00:55:10.880 Phillips Deb says

00:55:13.340 We need Keith Wilson as Premier

00:55:16.120 Keith has done a fantastic job

00:55:20.900 I'm going to chat about

00:55:23.420 A little bit of a background

00:55:25.220 So I've known Keith Wilson for a very long time.

00:55:27.100 I've known Danielle for quite a while as well.

00:55:29.960 But Keith and Danielle have a very similar story in a way where they, before the Wild Rose Party became the Wild Rose Party, Keith Wilson and Danielle Smith worked loosely together.

00:55:44.480 They may have worked closely together than I know, but they loosely worked together fighting the PC government on the Land Stewardship Act, which was an act that was passed in the Alberta legislature, giving the government the ability to expropriate farmlands and other lands, any lands, for projects that were in the province's infrastructure interests.

00:56:08.420 uh danielle smith used that platform to

00:56:12.760 move in and take over as leader of the wild rose party then cross the floor then you know 1.00

00:56:22.300 is that a politics forbidden then the radio show by the way like i listened to that every morning 0.97

00:56:25.940 that was top top notch content i don't think global news has recovered from her exit but

00:56:33.080 Keith is an absolute dog.

00:56:37.680 I think the question is, does he want the job?

00:56:40.140 Oh, well, yeah, would Keith take the job?

00:56:42.880 I don't know how angry Keith Wilson is going to be on October the 20th.

00:56:48.160 I don't know how motivated he's going to be.

00:56:50.120 I don't know if an opportunity will present itself where maybe the MOU collapses 0.96

00:56:57.740 and Smith just looks like a clown. 0.52

00:57:01.420 and the approval ratings are worse than they are now 0.95

00:57:05.240 and the leadership is open and your options are, I don't know,

00:57:10.220 Jeff Rath running or Keith Wilson running, does that change his mind?

00:57:15.540 I think that right now he is the most credible option.

00:57:19.220 I think he's the biggest threat to the Premier because he is capable.

00:57:25.100 But I think in FHawk595, I'm not going to read the usernames

00:57:33.240 because I'm always worried that somebody's going to put something dirty in there

00:57:38.960 and I'm not going to catch it.

00:57:40.820 So that one almost caught me.

00:57:42.560 Thankfully, it wasn't Mike.

00:57:45.340 The UCP needs some hard reflection on how they are serving the people of Alberta.

00:57:50.900 That is essential.

00:57:52.860 The establishment, the activist class, the decision makers, the riding presidents from Calgary-Beddington to Highwood to Acadia to wherever you are.

00:58:11.780 Yeah, we need to seriously reflect on what's going on here and how we're treating each other.

00:58:19.780 That's the worst part of it.

00:58:21.380 like i mean two constituency associations have voted to have a leadership review

00:58:27.160 other constituency associations are voting to not have a leadership review although i don't think

00:58:32.120 that has any standing in the constitution if you hit 22 you hit 22 even if 65 vote to not do it i

00:58:39.220 mean that's the rule um but i think it's one of those things where like the issue that they may

00:58:48.060 have moving forward is not the situation they are in now it's the way that they react to it if they

00:58:53.400 react to it by using procedural controls manipulating processes uh create doing like

00:59:01.760 some production at the agm to make it look like things are much better than they really are

00:59:06.320 uh it's just gonna make it worse people aren't gonna people aren't gonna buy it like that that

00:59:11.500 was the issue with kenny like kenny probably could have survived it until they started

00:59:17.960 messing around with the process every time they did it created a new subsection of frustrated

00:59:25.840 UCP members that's how that happened David Parker came in at the end and take back Alberta but

00:59:35.260 take back Alberta would have never had any success if the if those elements weren't there

00:59:40.000 and here we are and it's the same people

00:59:45.160 i'm hearing the same arguments that i heard in 2022 about why we should not have a leadership

00:59:53.540 review and also uh they're going to keep saying that we can't change the leader now because

01:00:00.360 we've got an election in a year i i mean on october 24th the bc conservative party will

01:00:07.600 determine whether or not that argument holds any standing. If the BC conservatives can throw the

01:00:12.140 leader out with the bathwater and install some insider candidate and still win an election,

01:00:18.060 well, I mean, what's to say we can't do that here? I don't want to see that. I want Smith

01:00:22.540 to be better. I want the team to do something. Save yourself. But every egg you have is in that

01:00:35.400 basket Mark Carney controls your fate and you have signed up for it so I don't know what happens

01:00:46.220 after the the referendum I can guess I think they're going to take the result and say that

01:00:54.860 you know what the grievances aren't that bad obviously that's the way I think they're going

01:01:01.420 take and i think that's going to create more issues there's a lot of people that are voting

01:01:05.820 for this referendum or there are a lot of people that are voting to stay that that do not want to

01:01:09.820 become politically subservient to ottawa no matter how many one-time projects approval waiver periods

01:01:19.500 or whatever bureaucratic hoops you got to jump through are waived so yeah i'm gonna leave it on

01:01:29.580 that we need the United Conservative Party needs to develop a vision of how

01:01:42.520 we can deal with the true underlying grievances in Confederation to fix

01:01:57.780 these problems that have existed for 120 years because if not we're going to be right back here

01:02:05.040 there's going to be just as much vitriol from the both sides the entire national establishment

01:02:12.200 will line up against against the independence supporters like it's going to be the same thing

01:02:17.140 but every wave is larger than the last we've never had an independence referendum in this

01:02:22.480 province before. And I, for one, don't think that this will be the last one. But the province and

01:02:29.580 the government that was elected to represent it have to take legitimate steps to fix it.

01:02:37.880 But they won't. I'm telling you right now, I have zero faith that the existing political

01:02:45.100 establishment in this province will take any steps to resolve the underlying difficulties.

01:02:50.840 Because I believe wholeheartedly in this moment that the political establishment will take the results of the referendum if it fails.

01:02:58.780 And they will decide that the national status quo is the way to go.

01:03:05.960 Anyways, that's all for me.

01:03:07.840 I've been Josh Anders covering Marty Up North today.

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01:03:27.640 Oh, we were doing it once a month, but people aren't really showing up.

01:03:29.880 So we're thinking about going once a quarter.

01:03:32.220 That is, I probably shouldn't have said that on the air,

01:03:34.320 but that is what we're having conversations about in the background.

01:03:38.940 Again, thank you for everybody for watching and have a wonderful afternoon.

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