Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #13

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00:00:42.140 at whatever on Instagram without further ado we're gonna have the guests introduce themselves so

00:00:48.020 please tell us your name age occupation and or school major um my name is Hannah I'm a student

00:00:55.440 at UCSB I'm 19 and I work on campus uh major uh psych hi I'm Lauren I'm 20 I'm a bio psych major at UCSB

00:01:09.100 and I'm currently a scribe for Santa Barbara cottage and yeah um I'm Jackie I'm 20 um I'm a communications

00:01:20.700 and global studies double major and I work at the recreational center so it's basically UCSB's gym

00:01:27.060 and I love my job so shout out everyone that works there um hi guys my name is also Hannah um I'm a student

00:01:34.240 at UCSB I'm 19 and my major is econ and accounting hi my name is Jessica I also go to the University

00:01:42.260 of California Santa Barbara I'm 20 and my major is economics and accounting my name is Tanner I'm 26

00:01:49.940 full-time I do executive protection uh part-time I'm an instrument in the army national guard and

00:01:54.960 own as like side gig my firearms training company and I go to school part-time online I'm majoring in just

00:02:00.620 uh general education all right uh what's up guys my name is Chase I'm 27 years old I'm a professional

00:02:09.840 photographer and brand consultant and I'm done with school okay we're gonna go around again really

00:02:19.120 quick um current relationship status and longest relationship you've ever been in if you've had

00:02:26.260 one um I'm currently in a relationship and I think my longest relationship was like a year or two

00:02:31.960 something like that is it your current one uh no okay hi um I'm in a relationship and my longest one

00:02:41.040 is probably my current one and it's been since February like 2021 I would say so over a year yeah okay

00:02:49.180 I'm currently single um but my longest relationship is I think like a year and three months something

00:02:57.960 like that yeah year and three months okay mine's not as long as that um I'm currently single my

00:03:04.000 longest relationship I want to say around four or five months something like that also currently single

00:03:10.640 let's go hot girl summer um longest relationship was a year a year and two months I'm in a relationship

00:03:20.520 my longest has been two years I'm single and my longest relationship has been a year and a half

00:03:26.160 okay good times oh yeah I suppose I should answer yeah uh currently single longest relationship was five

00:03:32.880 years not a marriage though it wasn't there was no kids or marriage or anything okay so just quickly

00:03:40.440 a show of hands which one it's you three that are single right and then chase right yeah okay

00:03:45.040 four yeah got it so y'all said you were single uh how long have you been single oh my gosh um I think

00:03:55.100 I've been single for like a year it feels like two years I'm gonna say two years but maybe like a year

00:04:01.240 and nine months something like that but a while yeah um let me see I had like like a fling or like

00:04:08.580 single from like a relationship relationship I'm gonna re-ask the question okay when's the last time

00:04:16.700 you've hooked up with someone oh gosh well that's direct okay maybe like three weeks ago something

00:04:27.820 like that so kind of recent three weeks maybe three weeks maybe three weeks I mean I haven't counted

00:04:33.380 three weeks but I would say maybe three you'll never know let's go with three weeks okay so uh how

00:04:41.020 long have you been single and when was your most recent hookup um let me see okay I've been single

00:04:46.640 for I think like six months now and my most recent hookup was I would say four weeks ago yeah four weeks

00:04:54.620 ago yeah last month was officially one year since I've been single my last hookup was four days ago

00:05:04.720 oh yeah so you're keeping track of your like the breakup anniversary um snapchat memories

00:05:11.380 okay I see yeah I see chase yeah um I've been single for two years a little over two years and I have

00:05:21.780 not I have not done anything with a woman in the past two years can you you want to go into that a

00:05:28.500 little bit just clarify we got some new viewers yeah we do we do so so for you guys and everybody else

00:05:35.060 I'm uh I'm a Christian and I'm saving myself for my future wife so oh yeah that's nice

00:05:41.420 but but but you weren't always that way I was not always that way absolutely not did you have a phase

00:05:52.880 yeah I had a I had a few phases I had a few phases okay my teenage years were uh I was I was an active

00:06:01.700 boy and uh in college and stuff yeah okay wow any other questions Brian are any of you saving yourself

00:06:11.460 for marriage no Brian no we're active college girls at UCSB I no wait all of you go to UCSB yeah

00:06:23.360 yeah quick question on that so do you look down upon men who go to SBCC

00:06:30.160 um that's a yes no it depends on the circumstance Hannah why um did she say yes yeah yeah we'll go

00:06:41.840 around we'll go around I did one semester there uh I've only had weird interactions with them like

00:06:47.320 it's always been a little weird from what I've noticed like every time somebody's from SBCC

00:06:51.120 that I've interacted with at least is weird you're you're not the first girl to say that

00:06:58.420 I've heard a number of UCSB girls say that

00:07:01.380 your take um I've always had good experiences I mean I don't know I feel like the only time I've

00:07:07.940 like talked to people who go to SBCC they've been at like Trader Joe's and the Trader Joe's

00:07:13.320 workers are always like really cool so like I don't know I have nothing bad to say about them

00:07:16.640 I'm gonna agree with Hannah on this one the few interactions that I've had with SBC students

00:07:23.560 SBCC students they've been a little bit weird okay I don't want to be like mean is this mean to say

00:07:29.220 I just feel like I don't know they're just like UCSB like wannabes like that's like mean but like

00:07:34.900 I don't know they've just been weird they've been odd in my opinion um I don't know if like I would

00:07:41.040 say like UCSB wannabes like I kind of think like SBCC students kind of like really good you know

00:07:46.720 they go to like community college at like a really amazing place and they get to like live in IV which

00:07:51.780 is like a college town you know like when I came to UCSB every all of the older students went and told

00:07:58.300 me they said that they kind of like come over here and don't respect you know IV as much as um UCSB

00:08:05.760 students because they don't like they're not kind of like from here they don't like go to school here

00:08:09.380 so like coming to UCSB I came with like that perception um I've definitely had like you know

00:08:14.980 both iffy and also like positive experience with SBCC students um but like I feel like that's just

00:08:20.700 with anyone but coming in like there is a negative stereotype of people from SBCC unfortunately sorry

00:08:27.040 I actually know a lot of guys from SBCC and I feel like for me the reason why like

00:08:38.420 they're looked down upon is because a lot of the time with the people that I've met um they'll come

00:08:45.180 to SBCC just to party and like to me and me personally that's like I mean we all go to UCSB to

00:08:53.380 party like we all party but that's just from the people that I've met that's the reason why they're

00:08:57.860 here but I actually know a really good group of guys from SBCC they're smart I mean they like to

00:09:03.460 have fun but in terms of starting a relationship with someone if they're here just to party then

00:09:08.980 that's kind of a red flag in my eyes can I say something on that of course go ahead Chase so I

00:09:14.820 I went to uh Santa Barbara City College for a couple years before I transferred oh no I don't Chase I

00:09:20.060 apologize I don't take anything you said to offense it's fine okay um I went there for like two years

00:09:26.340 before I transferred to a photography school and like my roommates and I we were like very on top of

00:09:31.600 our studies like I really wanted to transfer to UCSB at first but I lived at a dorm complex here

00:09:37.120 in IV called Tropicana Gardens oh yeah yep you guys are familiar and like my observation was like

00:09:44.720 probably 65 to 70 percent of the dudes that were there like were only here to party the majority of

00:09:54.040 them failed like most of their classes their freshman year and then like didn't go back a second year

00:09:58.920 so you're probably meeting a bunch of boys like that imagine going to a community college and

00:10:02.820 failing out I know so um I have a quick question on that was that like the people who like failed

00:10:09.160 and stuff were they oh were they like um from Santa Barbara Community College or like was the majority

00:10:14.140 from there like UCSB students all from SBCC SBCC all of them so like kind of like what Jess was saying

00:10:20.100 her perception was like a little bit right like correct like that you know majority people come here to

00:10:24.600 party because it's IV yeah 100% a lot of people came here just to party and like didn't pay attention

00:10:29.760 to their classes at all and then like had to leave because they didn't pass their classes yeah makes

00:10:34.340 sense that's like a lot of kids at City College yeah so yeah it really is so I want to ask because

00:10:42.860 UCSB Isla Vista it's very much a party school do you think that there's

00:10:49.120 a hookup culture in this area yeah definitely okay yeah yeah I mean it's it's pretty bad there's a lot

00:11:03.520 there's a lot of like it's just so normalized everybody thinks that it's normal and so everybody

00:11:09.320 does it so yeah I agree there's like a huge hookup culture here there's no denying it and like

00:11:17.220 thoughts on hookup culture is it a good thing should people just be free to do whatever they

00:11:24.060 want you think it's maybe bad that people are deprioritizing long-term serious relationships

00:11:29.100 what are your thoughts and I don't know if you want to come back on this or you kind of got your

00:11:33.820 I mean I think that it's damaging for people's like I don't think that hookup culture is necessarily

00:11:39.900 a good thing I think that it's not good for men or women like it's bad on both parties

00:11:45.520 oh is it my turn or did you want to come in I thought you kind of got your piece but

00:11:51.000 oh um I don't know I've never participated in it because I've been pretty much dating someone

00:11:55.640 like all like the whole time I've been in IV but I think it's like all right as long as like both

00:12:01.260 people agree like that's what they want um I feel like coming into UCSB like as a freshman it's like

00:12:08.140 really fun because like that's what like everyone's like oh like college experience like hookups like

00:12:12.880 it's fun at first but then it just kind of gets old because I feel like people just don't get out

00:12:17.620 of that and like people just don't it just seems at least at UCSB or in Isla Vista like relationships

00:12:23.760 are not really a thing here at least from what I've seen so I personally do not like it and I

00:12:31.340 am kind of done participating in it um but that's just my opinion UCSB is heavily hookup culture yeah

00:12:38.480 yeah kind of like on that I feel like what ends up happening is that I think like maybe for both

00:12:44.280 like girls and I mean I can't comment on guys but like for girls too you go in and you think that you

00:12:48.800 know you know UCSB is like a big hookup culture so then you're not really sure um like if you get

00:12:54.980 involved with someone what they think so then you get a lot more like situationships or something like

00:13:00.880 that and it becomes like very confusing and if it's like mutual it's fine but going and finding out

00:13:06.680 like what the other person wants like it can be a very very confusing area and like you know kind

00:13:11.560 of like you were commenting on like it's definitely like can be fun at first but I feel like that's

00:13:16.160 kind of like you know the parties at UCSB like you go to frat parties and it's fun at first and then

00:13:20.240 eventually just like oh this is like not really fulfilling and I definitely think that you have

00:13:25.440 that at UCSB where eventually just not as fulfilling as like a relationship would be

00:13:29.940 I think with hookup culture what people don't realize is IV is small and um 99% of the time if

00:13:40.020 you're hooking up with someone they have hooked up with one of your friends and I agree with all these

00:13:45.300 girls I think hookup culture is fun and fresh for a good time but it definitely gets old and I don't

00:13:52.720 know it really depends on communication and what you want and what you get out of it because no one has

00:13:57.880 to participate in hookup culture but it gets a little tiring at first and yeah Tanner your thoughts

00:14:05.060 yeah I mean hookup culture is definitely alive and well in Santa Barbara um and then you know it's

00:14:10.520 kind of like dating here it's most like you know I love this to women and you know UCSB women and

00:14:13.960 whatnot and it's um you know I've had my share of it and it's uh for sure there's nothing casual about

00:14:19.720 casual sex like it definitely takes a little part of your soul um every time you do it it's um a lot

00:14:25.640 people think it's like liberating and fun and everything but just like having some like I don't

00:14:29.000 know like 22 year old like senior frat dude um that's just like a douchebag fucking like rail you

00:14:34.940 out like you're not going to get anything from that like it's it's awful it's going to take some of your

00:14:39.800 soul every time you do it so it's a good point yeah I uh so I didn't become a Christian until my

00:14:45.540 sophomore year of college so when I went into college as a freshman I was like very excited to play

00:14:51.400 the field so to speak um and I I realized by the end of my freshman year like hookup culture is very

00:14:58.480 like empty uh at the end of my freshman year I fell like madly in love with a girl and we had like a

00:15:03.320 very deep relationship and we ended up breaking up later that summer after the freshman year because

00:15:09.380 she had to move back home to another country and when I got back to my sophomore year here like I had

00:15:15.320 like no interest in hookup culture at all like once you've had something really deep that's like

00:15:19.880 really meaningful like casually hooking up with someone I don't know to me like it's just it's

00:15:23.720 not interesting you know so and I I think it is you know I I talked about this in the last podcast I

00:15:30.080 think it is damaging for people like people get really hurt very easily you know like kind of what

00:15:34.720 you were talking about with like situationships like I don't know I've just seen a lot of people

00:15:38.980 get hurt and uh it's a bummer you know yeah what do you think Brian well I'm gonna share my

00:15:45.320 thoughts a little bit on this a bit after I get through a couple questions but uh overall I would

00:15:51.060 say I don't think hookup culture is a good thing I think people should be free to do whatever they

00:15:57.180 want but uh I don't know I don't think it's good I don't think it's good the nuclear family okay

00:16:05.300 amen super based saving the west one meme at a time yes keep those red pills coming lads so

00:16:16.180 what is sort of on the topic of hookup culture what is a fuck boy I want you guys to define it for me

00:16:26.520 because there's different definitions so go ahead me first oh my god I feel like I feel like Jackie

00:16:31.360 would have a really good definition oh thank you okay why don't we do this Jackie you come on in

00:16:36.040 and then we'll sounds good um I would say a fuck boy would be someone that doesn't really have any

00:16:42.880 regard towards the person that they're I guess you could say like fucking with I guess like they just

00:16:49.140 don't really they don't really have regards to towards how the other person is feeling and they're

00:16:53.580 just kind of in it just kind of for the like initial um pleasure and then just kind of moving on so I

00:17:00.560 would just say it's someone I mean it's not really it's kind of a derogatory term but I would say

00:17:04.740 there are people in Isla Vista that you can define as fuck boys and also people that um kind of have

00:17:11.300 you know casual sex very very often do you guys feel like you know a lot of girls who have been used

00:17:19.240 and hurt by fuck boys absolutely oh also to add on that one oh sorry no you go ahead no are you sure

00:17:25.800 okay go ahead yeah okay um I would say also I've noticed that some like I guess you could say

00:17:30.520 fuck boys like kind of use emotion as like a as kind of like a reel so they like reel a girl in

00:17:36.300 with emotion and then they'll just like get what they want and then they'll just they'll just leave

00:17:40.380 so I think that's kind of malicious like they like emotionally manipulate girls exactly precisely

00:17:45.620 that yeah there's a lot of guys that do that yeah it's fucked up yeah it's messed up so do any of the

00:17:50.680 girls other girls want to come in on defining a fuck boy anybody

00:17:55.580 can you guys say what years you are in college like sophomores juniors

00:18:01.680 yeah who wants to start um just start from here and go around I'm a third year okay I'm also a third

00:18:07.920 year third year um yeah third year too third year and all you guys are under 21 right yeah unfortunately

00:18:14.160 sadly um honestly um as far as just the first like few questions where it just comes to casual

00:18:19.720 sex stuff like I'm very surprised at your guys answers honestly just from my experience of like you

00:18:24.440 know dating mostly like in Santa Barbara and you know like you know UCSB women like that stuff I was

00:18:28.800 very very surprised did you like assume we were older no no I assumed that you guys were all within

00:18:34.520 the ages of you know probably like 19 to like 21 or something like that okay UCSB age yeah yeah

00:18:39.960 Tanner what just say what were you assuming yeah I was assuming like like when Chase and I were on

00:18:45.200 here like last time um they're like totally liberated like hey go do whatever you want like

00:18:48.820 get railed out by as many people as you want doesn't matter like it just totally open and honest

00:18:53.500 about it like no shame totally different panel of women completely so right here can I add a comment

00:19:00.220 on that I think um I've seen a lot of girls get really hurt in terms of how guys speak about women

00:19:08.800 women a lot of times when a girl will hook up with a guy and say like let's say they get attached

00:19:14.620 guys will use that to their advantage to look cool not every guy of course not generalizing but I have

00:19:22.380 heard a lot of guys talk about she's obsessed with me just because she wants to hook up another time

00:19:27.640 or if a girl wants something more than just hooking up it's almost a red flag in a girl and I've only

00:19:34.360 witnessed that in Isla Vista everywhere else like my hometown any other city I've never seen

00:19:38.580 guys talk about girls like that wait how specifically can you give us an example how

00:19:43.300 specifically are they talking oh in terms of what well you you mentioned that something about you

00:19:50.960 dislike the way guys talk about girls or can you give us an example yeah um just let's say okay

00:20:00.900 there's a guy hooking up with a girl the girl just wants to casually hook up not necessarily settle down

00:20:07.180 or anything he goes and tells his guy friends she's obsessed with me she wants to keep hooking up

00:20:12.840 with me she's going to parties just to like find me stuff like that and seeing it as somewhat of a red

00:20:18.920 flag even though she just has genuine interest in him is this first-hand experience oh yeah um first-hand

00:20:25.840 experience for some of my best friends okay yeah very common okay so when when you say it's like kind of a

00:20:33.420 red flag for these guys is it the kind of thing where it makes them pull away from the girls or

00:20:38.540 yeah I've seen multiple of my guy friends cut girls off completely because she wants to consistently

00:20:45.140 hook up not even because they want a relationship just because they want to consistently hook up and

00:20:49.960 things get awkward right can I ask a question here is is this is this like obsession so to speak or

00:20:56.620 infatuation with guys do you see this developing in girls after they have sex with the guys or is this

00:21:01.580 kind of thing happening before they have sex with them too after yep yeah yep you know what I mean

00:21:08.860 yeah of course of course do you guys think do you guys think women fall in love with guys way quicker

00:21:14.380 after they've had sex with them like do you guys notice yourselves developing feelings for guys like

00:21:19.580 very quickly after you guys have had sex no so the bonding hormone like it can go either way it's

00:21:26.360 oxytocin and women release I think it's like three times more oxytocin than men do when they have

00:21:31.460 sex I didn't know so yeah that's why we're saying like last night the statistical data saying like

00:21:36.240 hey they're more likely to get a divorce be unhappy in a marriage the more partners that they have

00:21:40.440 that's like one reason because they're releasing more oxytocin and they can't release as much

00:21:44.460 oxytocin the more and more that they sleep with somebody casually so that's what I'm saying like

00:21:47.860 there's nothing casual about casual sex you're always gonna take a little video amen I have to say

00:21:52.920 even if it was like I got I kind of disagree with you a little bit Tanner let's hear it I know some ladies

00:21:58.840 they be fucking they don't they don't give a fuck they'll hook up with the guy next boom on to the

00:22:10.040 next one slept with 100 dudes don't care so but I think I do agree with you that

00:22:15.680 it's a bit more for women like they'll bond a bit more more likely to from sex with like that too when

00:22:24.720 you went and said like you know girls like you've had that experience or like you've seen girls do

00:22:28.960 that I mean I've seen a lot of guys do that like I think it goes both ways you know um from like you

00:22:35.280 know go and hook up with a lot of guys or like go and have sex with one and just like move on to the

00:22:39.160 other like it goes both ways like guys do it too yeah um and I think like from not like personal

00:22:45.400 experience but from like a lot of friends um the girls who I know who do that it's because they

00:22:50.860 become really or in the past they've had an experience where they actually did get really

00:22:54.600 attached to someone and they were heartbroken because you know the guy fucked over like the

00:22:59.840 fucked up or like you know it didn't end well and because of that they said you know it kind of goes

00:23:04.140 back to that click that you said like when you find that click like it's very like suddenly it

00:23:08.520 hookups don't become fulfilling but sometimes you just get what like you click with someone you know

00:23:13.060 what's the click like you just feel so uh it's difficult to explain but like articulate it

00:23:18.120 you feel like so connected with someone that you're like oh this is what it means to be in love

00:23:25.140 you know this is like who I want to spend you know this is what it means like the movies you know like

00:23:30.000 this is like what it means to fall in love but isn't something that can occur very early on and you

00:23:35.840 use the word in love yeah so that's kind of what it kind of goes back to like you know maybe girls like

00:23:41.580 feeling attached or like you know even guys like for my from you know some experiences like if you feel

00:23:47.740 like really attached to someone and then maybe you've had like a bad experience of them and time

00:23:52.460 passes on you're like oh this is I'm not going to be able to get back what I found in the past

00:23:56.620 and that fear kind of drives people to maybe like hooking up or like you know just because they think

00:24:01.960 that they're not going to be able to re-experience what they have already experienced that's a good

00:24:07.320 that makes sense yeah that does do you guys see like girls that you know like if let's say they get

00:24:12.540 fucked over in a relationship and they're with a they're with a fuck boy he uses them and they were

00:24:16.980 like really attached to them and then they get burned do you notice them like getting over that

00:24:21.480 by getting under somebody else pretty quickly does that happen yes I think also that's like

00:24:25.800 you know that's also I think that's very common at UCSB and you could see like a lot of like

00:24:30.120 a lot of people encourage that too like maybe it goes back to like you know the UCSB like you know

00:24:35.480 hookup culture and stuff but that is very common like if you do feel attached then usually the

00:24:41.020 immediate kind of like um the route that you go the path that you go is okay let's go and hook up and

00:24:46.440 let's try to forget about someone that way but eventually like I feel like what ends up happening

00:24:50.120 is you go down that road of like you know hot girl summer like you know the ho phase and then

00:24:54.960 you find out in the end oh this actually isn't really getting me anywhere like I'm not being

00:24:58.880 fulfilled this way I mean honestly like the best way to negate all that kind of like heartache is

00:25:03.620 just like don't sleep with people right away I mean that literally that's it because like one guy

00:25:08.280 might be super motivated to like okay I'm gonna do a couple dates or do whatever I can with a couple

00:25:12.380 times if they if they walk away after like three or four times just because like they're not getting

00:25:16.540 laid and like make those moves and whatnot the best way to negate like all that is just like don't sleep

00:25:20.800 with them be like hey like straight up and forward like what are you looking for what do you want

00:25:24.400 where do you see yourself in the future um like that's the way to do it and if they walk away it

00:25:28.680 might seem like a lot of guys are going to be blowing you off and whatnot but like hey good you know

00:25:32.980 and I definitely agree with that but you know it kind of goes back to like the UCSB like the culture as a

00:25:37.760 whole like you go and you have like a lot of sometimes I would even say maybe pressure to

00:25:42.920 to go and like start like engage in that hookup culture like especially after you're heartbroken

00:25:47.900 and sometimes it can be like you know maybe peer pressure too and that is true you know it definitely

00:25:52.920 is a solution it's so obvious and yet you know you are who you surround yourself with and if we're in

00:25:58.260 this culture sometimes maybe you feel that pressure to act a certain way and then you think too because

00:26:03.640 so many people have done it oh this will help me out you know so you know there's a lot of dudes

00:26:08.580 like a lot of guys in Santa Barbara there's not a lot of men and I will tell you at least looking at

00:26:15.360 at least from like the um Chase and I we talk about this like all the time is it like I'm telling you

00:26:21.300 guys right now we can change culture like one person at a time our attitudes our actions we can

00:26:26.960 absolutely change culture like it it is culture it is up to us yeah to do that I have a question with

00:26:31.860 with you saying that how would you think would be the best way to do that to change the culture

00:26:36.600 as you guys you know you guys are men right I I got something for this please do you guys know who

00:26:43.280 Andrew Tate is oh my oh yes oh yeah the great the great top g Andrew Tate his recommendation

00:26:52.300 his suggestion perfect I don't know if it's the right move he said the way to fix all the world's

00:26:59.880 problems his words not mine is put a woman's body count on her forehead and that'll fix everything

00:27:08.940 oh thank you so much that was that was so helpful that was so helpful so I'm gonna open it up to you

00:27:17.680 guys do you think that that would fix a lot of problems I would like to comment on this with guys

00:27:25.280 too because there's a lot of guys that will have their hoe phase too I think just because someone

00:27:31.820 had a hoe phase in college doesn't mean that they aren't worth loving when they're in that period later

00:27:37.240 in life and I think Andrew Tate is referring to people in college and younger people when looking

00:27:42.720 for people to hook up with or people to get in a relationship with but if you take his claim towards

00:27:47.840 just all women in general everyone has those periods in their life you know it not everyone

00:27:54.100 not everyone not yet you're correct like I should not generalize but a lot of people have those times

00:28:00.040 in their life and I don't think men or women should be judged for that so that's I mean I don't know it

00:28:05.940 depends on the person too like if you're not okay with it then you're not meant to like talk to that

00:28:09.900 person and then you find someone that you know matches your ideals a little bit more

00:28:13.860 and even like before I have you guys come in I just want to go around the panel on that so

00:28:18.400 do you think that that would solve all the world's problems if we put the body count on the floor not

00:28:25.960 my word that's Andrew Tate's suggestion you guys know he got banned so maybe he could be wrong he got

00:28:32.260 yeah I got he got canceled so uh thoughts thoughts on that go ahead um yeah I think that's completely

00:28:40.300 superficial and not important when you're talking to people I think that I think that body counts a

00:28:46.820 social construct in general I don't think it's productive what it body counts a social construct

00:28:52.320 yeah I think that people put a lot of social importance on it and when it it's to me and I

00:28:59.140 think to a lot of other people it's not important like it doesn't it doesn't matter

00:29:02.960 I I agree with her we had a conversation like this when we were driving to a concert

00:29:09.700 um and I agree I think that like body count it's interesting how it refers to like how many people

00:29:17.380 you've had sex with not like how many times you've had sex why is that because like I mean one body is

00:29:27.420 one body right yeah I mean like someone could have sex like seven times and with like seven

00:29:33.320 different people and their body count would be seven whereas like someone could have sex like

00:29:36.660 a hundred times with like one person and like in societal eyes it still deems them like less

00:29:42.220 respectable let me ask you let me ask you a question let me ask you a question let's say let's say you

00:29:48.640 have two people right both of them have had sex a thousand times one of those people has had sex a

00:29:55.220 thousand times with one person the other person has had sex a thousand times with 300 total

00:30:01.920 different people do you think there's going to be differences in the way those two people develop

00:30:06.800 as people because of how many people they've had sex with like do you think the person who's had sex

00:30:11.780 with one person a thousand times versus 300 different people that might change the way that they grow

00:30:16.720 and develop and look at the world or is it the same um I think it I think it depends on like a lot of

00:30:24.220 different things like I don't know like it depends a lot on like they're your like relationship status

00:30:30.580 like what's your relationship like and like also like what the person wants to do and like the

00:30:34.520 context with it but um yeah I don't think that like it's something that people should be like judged for

00:30:40.120 like we're not talking about judgment here like so the reason why I asked you that question is

00:30:44.740 because I think if somebody's had sex with 300 different people the way that they approach relationships

00:30:49.520 the way that they approach trusting other people their ability to bond with other people I think

00:30:54.560 is going to be like severely affected versus if you if you've only ever had sex with one person like

00:30:59.820 if you've only ever had sex with one person and they've been faithful to you their whole life

00:31:03.100 like you're probably going to have a very solid relationship with them but if you've been with 300

00:31:08.500 different people you're probably going to have a lot of baggage probably a lot of emotional trauma

00:31:12.520 potentially you might not look at sex as like a very intimate thing you know like it I don't know

00:31:18.460 it just like loses its like sacredness to me you know I think it would really change a person

00:31:22.400 a lot I want to open it back up to the question I was previously asking if you want to yeah so do

00:31:29.640 you want to respond to chase first I think it's a good point yeah I have nothing to say

00:31:33.880 um okay well if we're talking about body count on the forehead on the forehead is that the solution

00:31:40.460 the world needs maybe to Andrew Tate yes but to the rest of society I feel like it's definitely a

00:31:47.320 no um I I don't think that everybody should know how many people that you slept with I feel like

00:31:53.700 that's kind of your personal information and for you and you only right I mean unless you'd like to

00:31:59.140 share it then obviously that's great right if a guy asked you your body count like a potential

00:32:04.660 romantic partner would you refuse to answer that question um I think it depends on the

00:32:10.680 relationship that you have with that person I mean if it's just like someone that you're going

00:32:13.920 to hook up with and they ask you well what's your body count to me that's a little bit disrespectful

00:32:17.680 because it's like well I mean if it's like established that we're just hooking up like once

00:32:23.480 kind of thing it's like why are you asking but if it's someone that you're kind of looking to start

00:32:27.420 a really serious relationship with I think it's a valid question I think that's like a piece of

00:32:31.520 information that maybe they should know so to answer your question no I don't think it's a good

00:32:35.780 solution um I would definitely agree with that I don't think it's the best solution I think what

00:32:43.720 it'd end up doing is that it'd lead people to kind of like be judged before you actually get to know

00:32:48.800 them like I definitely came to UCSB with like for example a perception of let's say frat guys like

00:32:54.660 all they want to go and do is like hook up with people they don't really want a genuine

00:32:58.600 relationship they're not like genuine or down to earth and it actually wasn't until like recently

00:33:03.360 that I found out like oh that's actually not true and because I came in with like that initial

00:33:08.240 perception it definitely affected of how I treated other people or how I you know perceive different

00:33:12.740 people and how I acted with them so I think that really if you go and get to know a person without

00:33:19.940 kind of just like initially judging them especially based off of the body count it can maybe help you

00:33:25.100 form like maybe a a relationship that's a little bit deeper obviously like eventually like it would

00:33:31.860 be good to know but it does depend on like what you are looking for in a person if you are looking

00:33:36.920 for a relationship then I think it's a very like you know a question that obviously can go and come up

00:33:40.860 but like for the initial um initially just knowing like right there on your forehead I think it would

00:33:45.440 just end up causing like a lot of prejudice um yeah I don't think it's the solution I don't think it would

00:33:53.500 solve all the world's problems I personally think I think communication is the solution but if

00:33:59.580 someone asked me I disagree with what um she said over there if someone asked me what my body count

00:34:05.480 is I would I would tell them I mean if they react poorly to it then I'm not going to hook up with

00:34:10.260 them you know that's I feel like that's a huge red flag but I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of I

00:34:15.240 mean I've done what I've done and there's no point in like trying to hide that or pretend that it

00:34:20.100 is something bad I think it'd be beneficial um I think that if you know people were to say if

00:34:27.540 I was just looking for somebody to hook up with and they're like oh like you and me we're the same

00:34:31.060 or people were looking for somebody that's a little bit more stable and some more serious

00:34:34.260 they could like immediately tell that no it would save a lot of time but like I have a question can

00:34:38.860 I follow up on that of course so you went and said if you're looking to hook up so like I think maybe

00:34:42.680 like you know the body count versus someone who's looking to hook up is different because for

00:34:46.600 example you were saying Chase that you were a different person freshman year so maybe your

00:34:50.320 body count's like really high but now you're a different person so if you just went and had

00:34:54.320 like that number on your forehead they're going to be perceive you or judge you based off of your past

00:34:58.280 actions and not based off your actions today so maybe that's like obviously it would be really

00:35:03.200 simple you know it's kind of like if every girl and guy like got introduced and a guy knew oh she's

00:35:07.920 into me because she said oh I'm into you why don't we like start that instead of maybe playing them

00:35:11.280 obviously that would be make a you know be really helpful for everyone so is that kind of what you mean

00:35:16.000 maybe the body count or kind of like going and talking to him saying hey are you just in it to

00:35:19.780 hook up or do you actually maybe want to start something a little bit more serious I mean part

00:35:23.860 of it is like atonement you know for like what you've done but then also it could just be someone

00:35:28.420 they like they see it and then for somebody that's just like hard no and that's just that for somebody

00:35:33.520 they might be like hey you might have had some kind of phase might have done something but I can get

00:35:37.820 over that I can talk to you I can like you as a person get over that but I mean for some people

00:35:42.080 they're going to be able to do that for some people are not going to be able to you know and for them

00:35:45.860 like then that's cut and dry right there like if somebody wants to make that assumption and be

00:35:49.120 like absolutely not like right there no and then that's on them if somebody wants to be like hey

00:35:53.000 this could still be a good person whatnot then you know that's on them yeah so before I answer that

00:35:58.760 question Brian can I ask you to flesh out why Andrew Tate thinks that putting body counts on

00:36:03.900 people's foreheads would solve all the world's problems you know what I don't recall precisely his

00:36:11.860 reasoning I just remember the uh I just remember the quip that he made so I know and I don't want

00:36:20.900 to misspeak for him so well I vaguely recall hearing a clip where he was talking about this and

00:36:26.880 basically it came down to the the more people that you have sex with in your lifetime like we talked

00:36:35.980 about in the last episode that we did you know by the way can I just ask you do you think we should

00:36:40.520 because we've talked about body counts so much do you think we should try to cover tonight do you

00:36:45.720 think we should try to cover some other topics or yeah I think that's a good idea like not stay

00:36:51.460 on it too long I think I think we fixated on it for a while last time and I think there's a lot of

00:36:56.700 other topics definitely cover so we'll touch it on it a bit but then we'll try to move on yeah so

00:37:02.200 so from what I understand Andrew Tate's perspective for like why he said that um my so I personally I

00:37:10.100 personally when I'm thinking about like the kind of woman that I want to marry like how many men she's

00:37:14.000 slept with matters to me because they've done studies and the more people that a person has sex with in

00:37:19.540 their lifetime it significantly increases their chances of getting divorced what'd you say oxytocin like

00:37:26.640 I was saying before the amount of oxytocin they release yeah I think I think it desensitizes you

00:37:31.220 to like if you've if you've slept with like 100 people when you're releasing that bonding hormone

00:37:35.580 if you've released it with 100 people I think it's going to like significantly desensitize

00:37:40.120 your ability to connect with like another person in that deep intimate way and I think that's important

00:37:45.600 like I personally believe that God created our bodies to release that hormone so that we can deeply

00:37:51.160 connect with another person and like really have like a close connection with them and I think when

00:37:56.120 people sleep with a lot of people long term you kind of lose some of that and uh you know divorce

00:38:02.200 rates have increased in the past few decades here in California it's like 50 percent I really care

00:38:07.960 about like people having healthy marriages like I really want to have one my parents did not have one

00:38:13.300 it sucked um and I think that like a lot of the world's problems come from uh the fact that you know

00:38:20.900 people are they have broken families and when it comes to putting body counts on people's foreheads

00:38:27.360 like let me ask you guys this like as as women would you feel judged if your body counts were on your

00:38:32.620 foreheads yes okay do you think it might entice you to sleep with less men if that was the situation

00:38:39.980 yes I don't think that's a fair question at all why oh why not I said yes well I just think that

00:38:48.080 it like when you're talking about body count especially because most of us said that that is

00:38:52.680 not the way the two men at the table seemed to agree with that statement I think that body counts

00:38:59.580 disproportionately have a negative effect on women than they do men for sure have a negative effect

00:39:05.860 on men in the sense that men feel pressured to have higher body counts women feel pressured to have

00:39:10.440 lower body counts and I just think that that's like I don't know it's just it's it's not you're

00:39:17.880 right it is an unfair question because there's a double standard there it's absolutely unfair but

00:39:23.000 the question was if if we did live in a world where your body count was broadcasted do you think it would

00:39:28.400 motivate you to sleep with less men I think I think it depends on the person I mean

00:39:35.840 to go back to what she said there is a double standard and so if you were to say guys versus

00:39:41.100 girls guys have a body count on their head and girls have a body count on their head in my opinion

00:39:45.360 I think that it would make the men just be like oh yeah great like let's just keep going and then

00:39:50.180 it would make the girls because of the double standard be like well absolutely not I don't want

00:39:54.500 people to think that I sleep around like there's such a negative stereotype behind that so I think it

00:39:59.960 would have a different effect for boys and for girls so yeah I mean they'd kind of eat their own

00:40:04.420 like again if a guy was like oh I'm just gonna like rack up this body count and then again with

00:40:08.880 changing culture and influence and whatnot it could be like yo that's disgusting like not gonna sleep

00:40:14.100 with you and then hey any woman that again like wants to do that like hey go for it but then it

00:40:19.280 would just separate people based on what they like and what they value you know I think that oh no go

00:40:24.040 ahead go ahead I was gonna say I think that's actually like I don't know the more I think about it the

00:40:27.000 more I realize like how negative it is because like I think the reason and we talked about this in the

00:40:31.240 car too the reason why like men care I think at least like about low body counts is because I

00:40:38.920 think they like I'm not saying this is all men but I'm saying that a lot of men like to have that

00:40:43.480 like sense of ownership like oh like this is like untouched like no one else like saw this besides me

00:40:48.640 you know and I think that's like for men I think that's like such a I think it would like if that

00:40:54.040 were if like my body count was broadcasted on my forehead or like any what girls was then I think

00:40:58.900 that would like just create more of like this society where like men feel ownership over women

00:41:06.620 that's an interesting take I wasn't expecting that last part you know what let's um we can maybe come

00:41:12.780 back a little bit to body count stuff but let's read a couple chats here so uh we got some super chats

00:41:20.180 let's let's go um let's see here okay we got mike davis the five dollar soup chat guys just

00:41:27.620 heads up uh mike davis is the homie but we're doing I told you to wear a tank top chase I mean you

00:41:34.960 should have worn a tank but um super chats are 10 and up to be uh read and responded to but uh we will

00:41:43.120 display all super chats in stream overlay uh chase holding the mic tight those forearms looking buff we

00:41:48.740 already know they get the daily workout that's true a daily workout i do get my daily workout

00:41:54.240 mike i take some days off though okay appreciate the compliment bro uh edward edward scornfield with

00:42:01.320 the ten dollar soup chat appreciate it man thank you do women allow athletic masculine men to break

00:42:06.200 rules and make rules for more better men if beta beta i think it's beta yeah english is my second

00:42:13.060 language um if a man is not physically gifted are you less likely to let him cheat than the man who is

00:42:18.500 physically gifted so i think a better way to phrase that would be do women allow high value high

00:42:25.760 status men to break more rules and do they do women do you guys make more rules for like

00:42:30.560 dudes that are lower on the food chain we'll go around on that one we'll go around we'll start over

00:42:35.200 here i don't think so my standards are my standards like i don't really care who you are like you're

00:42:41.600 gonna meet them or you're not um i think that like high achieving men i think they are almost like

00:42:51.240 more able to like break more rules just because like i don't know like a lot of women appreciate

00:42:59.080 like the security that comes with like that like high achieving men so i think they're like a little

00:43:04.140 scared to leave them but like i think when it comes to respect like no i don't i wouldn't respect

00:43:08.740 like a high achieving man who cheated on me versus like a low achieving man yeah i completely agree

00:43:14.980 with that i mean like what kind of just came to my head right now would just be maybe like people like

00:43:19.680 really good athletes or like celebrities or just really rich people maybe because those people have

00:43:26.020 higher statuses right and like while that's cool and all i i definitely don't think that that has

00:43:31.400 anything to do with like what makes it okay if they cheat on you or not because at the end of the day

00:43:35.440 they're a person and you have to realize that they're like a person and if you're like dating

00:43:39.600 them then that kind of status i feel like wouldn't really have much of an effect on like the deep and

00:43:44.540 intimate relationships that you would have so i i don't yeah i don't think it's i don't think that

00:43:50.240 that makes it okay if like a high status person does something wrong um to be completely honest um i think

00:43:58.600 that it's easy to definitely say that and i wish it was like that and i definitely think that you know

00:44:04.400 personality is a really really big factor especially when you get into relationships

00:44:08.380 but i think the initial um interaction girls will have a guy like physical like it is it is pretty

00:44:16.240 important like i've heard multiple multiple girls i mean especially guys i'm sure do the same thing

00:44:21.320 they're like oh who's that girl and you first go like oh can i see an instagram picture of them

00:44:25.080 you know it is like it is normal for people to just go and judge based off of looks you know we can't

00:44:30.260 deny that i don't think anyone can deny that so if you kind of mean like physically gifted

00:44:34.440 like you know um i definitely think that initially people will tend to allow guys to break those rules

00:44:41.120 and i think it goes back to you know even the perception of like frats like over here at ucsb

00:44:45.940 ato kind of has this perception of going and being like you know really really hot guys you know are in

00:44:50.780 ato and then girls even though they're aware of that um they still kind of go to those frats and

00:44:57.340 even though they know maybe those guys might not be like the best um they'll still go and like allow

00:45:03.120 them to kind of break rules at least initially of course like once that happens and you experience

00:45:08.240 that it does hurt like that feeling of getting hurt then you will go and say like you know when you get

00:45:14.280 into like an intimate relationship that's also when you want something more and i kind of think it goes

00:45:19.020 back to like that hookup culture where initially being like hooking up is like it might seem fun but

00:45:25.060 like after a while like it's just so unfulfilling just like you know being unfulfilled like you want

00:45:30.660 something more than just someone who's attractive but you also want to get into a deeper level

00:45:34.540 we have a clarifying super chat here from edward and scored edward scornfield no no no intrigue

00:45:41.740 intrinsically they want strong masculine men first forget the status so i think chase yeah he's

00:45:47.900 he's he's correcting me he's correct yeah he said he specifically does want to know about

00:45:52.700 the strong masculine my apologies for correct thinking i was correcting what you said edward well

00:45:58.580 i was i mean i was thinking along the same lines of that's maybe a this is his original one a better

00:46:05.260 way to get at the women's willingness to uh oh wait this is not the original one sorry hold on it's this

00:46:13.780 one two there's he's sending a lot thank you edward really appreciate it man um so if a man is not

00:46:20.880 physically gifted are you less likely to let him cheat than the man who is physically gifted um i feel

00:46:27.600 like you more often hear that less i think you weren't wrong to ask that though because i think you

00:46:34.200 more often see that coming from men with a lot of status so like a famous athlete or musician or

00:46:42.800 whatever a guy who's i mean i suppose a guy who's in exceptionally good shape he's going to be

00:46:50.300 perceived as more attractive so he could potentially get away with more but i mean i think like in in

00:46:57.240 college settings like the alpha jock dudes are probably going to get away with a lot more rule

00:47:01.660 breaking but like out in the real world those dudes like aren't as relevant to like women like grown women

00:47:08.420 there's still a lot of chicks that go for them but like in the in the real world like of adults and

00:47:12.740 stuff like it's typically like the presidents and the billionaires and the professional athletes and

00:47:16.800 the the movie stars that are you know they've got a girlfriend or a wife and they're they have tons

00:47:21.920 of affairs and their girlfriend or wife just lets them get away with all of it you know and that's like

00:47:26.220 a good point that you make too and it's like you know back to that like ucsb culture so like over

00:47:31.040 here i definitely think ucsb is a bubble like ivy is a bubble you know like if you also let's just

00:47:37.200 just because we have viewers that aren't really in the area i'd say let's try not to let's maybe

00:47:43.460 avoid the nuances of dating and i know i asked that question initially but um i think overall let's

00:47:51.000 just try to keep things more general okay yeah so um sorry um yeah so maybe like going back to like

00:47:57.900 what i think that they went and perceived or what that question actually entailed about like that strong

00:48:03.280 masculinity i would have to maybe say like it actually doesn't matter because i think every

00:48:07.540 single girl has like a type like i was very surprised like going and finding out my friends

00:48:12.360 types like for me like you know i was like oh like or i was very surprised to find out some of my

00:48:17.360 friends types that was not what i perceived like every girl's attracted to something differently

00:48:20.760 that doesn't mean just because like you see in movies oh girls are really you know attracted to

00:48:24.760 just like very strong masculine guys that's actually not true like some girls are attracted to like

00:48:29.840 you know the exact opposite or maybe there's some women's that are attracted to a fet weak men

00:48:34.800 yes actually you would be surprised i mean like the artsy chicks like yeah like skinny white guys

00:48:41.700 like that's a like so many of my friends it's a huge thing it's like a trend right now it's like

00:48:46.360 skinny white guys skinny white guys like tall skinny yes oh my god yeah okay it's like a trend

00:48:52.100 like there was even a comment that said it was like if you're handsome enough they'll let you do it

00:48:56.180 and that is 100 true and it goes both ways too because i mean you'll even see dudes that

00:49:00.520 yeah say you know even taking out looks away from it like that are high value where you know this

00:49:05.040 chick could not have a lot going for but just very good looking and do just like throwing themselves

00:49:09.660 under the bus and like dropping tons of money on them and they just like trample them and treat

00:49:14.120 them like shit and there's zero self-respect no i mean it definitely goes both ways there's no doubt

00:49:19.060 in my mind that the more attractive that you are um the more physically fit you are the more you can

00:49:23.440 get away with there's there's no debate about it anthony or sorry anthony i don't know where i'm

00:49:28.740 sorry edward scornfield speaking of athletes uh junior soprano left a comment these girls never had

00:49:36.940 the makings of a varsity athlete um excuse me sir i played varsity volleyball okay that that's thanks

00:49:46.060 that's from junior soprano the uh boss of the de mio crime family in oh new jersey is it because

00:49:53.260 we don't like is it because we're not is he saying that we don't look like we're varsity

00:49:56.380 athletes is that is that what he's saying you know what i don't want to speak for mr soprano

00:49:59.620 of course not right he's saying that i mean did you guys play uh lacrosse or anything i played

00:50:06.520 varsity volleyball so he's not talking about me or any sports i got a varsity letter for managing the

00:50:13.620 varsity golf team

00:50:14.520 for managing what for managing yeah so you just stood there no no no i like booked their like

00:50:25.200 little golf did you did you play one time but i threw the driver when i so you did the thing

00:50:30.940 it was bad okay that works uh what about you uh yeah i actually was a golfer so maybe maybe you

00:50:38.960 would have managed me okay and then you said i already said my piece um i was on the swim team

00:50:45.600 and also yeah varsity tennis in my high school i never did sports i was always working full time

00:50:51.920 so unfortunately i never had the chance to okay so junior soprano um he's wrong sorry i you you

00:51:00.520 misread you misread you know i i have a question for hannah based on what she was saying a second ago

00:51:05.400 so you mentioned that women let the dudes at the ato frat get away with breaking i'm not i meant like

00:51:13.920 you mentioned that they women let them get away with breaking way more rules why is that i think

00:51:19.280 it goes back to what you're saying tanner like it is like you know back what i was saying like

00:51:24.480 i mean everyone like i'm not going to generalize but a lot of people will go and have like an initial

00:51:29.620 judgment and how you judge someone is by the first interaction you have them and to be honest if

00:51:34.400 you're not talking to that person it is going to be about their physical appearance like that's

00:51:38.160 just like you know society has normalized that that is normalized and you know we could is ato like the

00:51:42.900 most handsome frat is that what it is um i don't know but that has you have like that you know i'm

00:51:48.540 now we're talking about like ucsb in general but like if like you are at school like a university and

00:51:53.800 you go and you have like you know greek life at ucsb greek life isn't that big but um or not big

00:51:59.360 not as big as like in different schools but you know there is like greek ranking and then like you

00:52:03.780 know if you go and have a top frats and you would maybe assume but i mean yeah i mean i'm just gonna

00:52:09.060 leave it at that wait uh really quick just around the table uh are any of you in a sorority

00:52:14.640 not anymore not as of recent well i haven't sent my official um letter of dropping but but no i

00:52:25.080 yeah okay um i'm an akio yeah is that oh you go ahead i'm in a sorority i'm also in a professional

00:52:32.400 business fraternity okay nice cool cool were you guys all part of the same sorority yes sir

00:52:39.060 are you guys all leaving for the same reason yes sir can you share why well i mean it's not like a

00:52:47.400 specific reason honestly like we had a great two years like you know we all lived in our sorority

00:52:52.420 which one kappa kappa kappa gamma wait um wait so sorry you're axo right yes so for now you're i'm alpha

00:53:03.320 delta pi oh and then kappa what kappa kappa gamma kkg who the fuck is that guy okay i don't know any

00:53:13.160 you've never heard of kappa really i mean i'm i've heard of axo no okay well i mean sorry there's

00:53:19.820 no kappa kappa kappa oh okay it's okay you're not offended oh wait that's kkk

00:53:24.860 i didn't i didn't mean to kkg kkg okay kkg we edward we're gonna get to your edward's been blasting

00:53:35.820 the super chats i think the whole show is probably just gonna be edward super

00:53:38.280 edward really appreciate it we got the we're gonna continue on with his super chats though um

00:53:43.240 okay so uh body count simply represents a woman's capacity to defer gratification it's a gauge to

00:53:50.240 determine whether a woman has self-control as it relates to external validation less problems thank

00:53:55.520 you for the ten dollar super chat there edward um you got another one your actions yesterday will say

00:54:01.320 a lot about what you'll do tomorrow it's why no woman no women on this podcast right now would marry

00:54:07.780 an ex-prison inmate uh thank you edward for the ten dollar super chat okay we're gonna touch on that

00:54:12.980 super chat really quick just bring it back to body counting for a second then go back to the super chats

00:54:17.660 so past is the past right i think that's kind of where you guys were getting at body count i think

00:54:25.200 overwhelmingly you guys said body count shouldn't matter is that correct show of hands really quick

00:54:31.100 body count shouldn't matter it shouldn't but it does it what it shouldn't but it okay i see what

00:54:38.740 you mean um so past if the past doesn't matter then just curious and you saw in the super chat would

00:54:46.540 you date a guy who's uh previously went to prison felon committed a couple uh you know let's say

00:54:56.020 white collar crime so some tax evasion some tax fraud maybe uh you know what some some casual fraud

00:55:06.340 you know the small things the usual the small things i didn't kill anybody but but he he he's a felon

00:55:12.600 he went to prison would you would that deter you um i would not date him no but i don't think you

00:55:20.520 compare you can't compare that to having sex that is two totally different things but that is one

00:55:26.640 past and then having sex is another past that's very they're kind of different why how so i don't

00:55:33.460 know if they're that different yeah how are they different it's somebody's it's somebody's past you

00:55:38.040 know they're both crimes you guys were saying you guys were saying you shouldn't judge somebody

00:55:43.900 based on their past okay that doesn't change their value as a person or anything like that

00:55:47.720 if they did something like that why do you feel like you can write somebody off for you know a

00:55:51.900 white collar crime i'm not saying that i would write them off completely i think it would definitely

00:55:55.620 give me some hesitations and i'm not sure that i would want to date somebody that's committed a

00:56:00.300 felony depending on whatever that situation is i just think that those are two very different

00:56:04.840 questions like what's her body count was he in prison so i have a good i'll have i'll redo the

00:56:10.720 question i have something that'll work but just really quick um yes or no would you date a guy

00:56:15.960 with a criminal past yes or no with a white collar crime criminal past um let's say he was an

00:56:25.860 amazing guy what's white collar again so so like like like this is this is different from like

00:56:32.860 like beating and robbing somebody it's like it's like doing tax fraud or like stuff like that yeah

00:56:38.320 i would i think casual embezzlement like just embezzling funds you know um i don't know it's

00:56:45.940 like drug manufacturing how about that that's like a more proper that's a proper crime i think it's

00:56:51.200 kind of like methamphetamine i mean that shows that they're smart okay yes it's kind of hot yes yes or

00:56:57.560 no um it depends on what they did leaning towards no but like a tax fraud okay i'd have to agree with

00:57:06.340 that answer it definitely depends on the crime i agree it depends on the fair enough so i'm gonna

00:57:10.920 uh sort of alter the question a little bit would you date sleep with hook up with whatever would

00:57:18.360 you date a guy that previously had slept with men i don't know i don't i'm i mean i probably wouldn't

00:57:29.860 know like i i don't feel like he like owes that to me to say i don't know i probably i've never been

00:57:34.720 in that situation i don't know what i would do so so let me okay let me try to let me try to

00:57:41.000 grease it a little bit um you're about to hook up with a new guy he reveals to you that last tuesday

00:57:48.700 eduardo was balls deep in him and he was receiving

00:57:57.540 in the process is he saying this like are we getting ready or is it like we're at dinner

00:58:09.740 what like it would be completely different if like if we were already in bed and he was like yeah i just

00:58:15.800 had sex with a guy last week i would be like okay maybe it's like a mutual friend you found out

00:58:21.680 oh if it's a mutual friend now never okay not a mutual friend just you heard it through the

00:58:27.000 grapevine this guy he he's hooking up with other dude he's hooking he's by he's hooking up with

00:58:33.860 dudes okay do you question do you have hesitations there no not really okay so you'd sleep with the

00:58:41.260 guy who's by yeah okay that's that's fine just yeah yeah i would okay so he was just getting he

00:58:50.900 was in i don't know how is it okay if i'm graphic with you guys yeah okay so he's he's bent over in

00:58:56.960 doggy style position and just this uh he's and there's a bear i don't know if you guys are familiar

00:59:04.040 with gay terms but he's the guy's a bear it's like a big big guy you know with anyways i'm not okay

00:59:12.120 let's just visualize visualize he's bent over this is this is your guy this is your

00:59:20.820 man and he's getting fucked in the ass i just i want to know is that kind of you know like a

00:59:28.100 little you feel a certain type of way about that i think that um i have never been in that situation

00:59:36.560 i'm not gonna lie there would definitely be hesitations especially you know with this graphic

00:59:41.160 um image that you've now put in my head definitely hesitations it would depend on how attracted i am

00:59:46.960 i mean if he's just this like goddess looking guy just like extremely hot i mean i i don't think i

00:59:52.680 would skinny artsy white guy i'm not really into skinny oh i thought you said that that was like the

00:59:58.760 thing it's a trend but it's not it's not mine no not for me not for me okay got it but if he was

01:00:04.100 relatively attractive like not relatively if he was really attractive then yes but if he was just

01:00:10.200 kind of mad just kind of something that i was doing casually like definitely not no it depends

01:00:17.380 on the person okay um i think it also depends on the panel of girls you're asking like for me for

01:00:23.980 example i'm for me i just like into straight guys like i personally wouldn't but obviously like i still

01:00:29.360 have like a lot of friends who are a lot more open you know so would definitely be into that um so for

01:00:33.880 you it'd be a deal breaker it would just be no for me but that's just me you know yeah it's just who

01:00:38.020 you connect with you know but that's his past right well yeah but that it's his past but i mean

01:00:43.480 that's just part of his body count but yeah of course but sometimes it just goes and depends like

01:00:48.040 who you're attracted to what you're attracted to like i don't really know if that has to do with

01:00:52.640 like the body count per se okay me personally apparently this is an unpopular opinion across

01:01:00.540 the board but i think if a guy's bisexual i have no problem with that as long as he communicates

01:01:04.980 it with me and just a little bit closer towards you um sorry is this better just scoot it to the

01:01:10.080 edge of the table yeah there you go but yeah i'm if we communicate and if he's being safe and he's

01:01:15.240 using protection i have no problem with it i mean if he's bisexual i'd be like that's great like thank

01:01:20.260 you for sharing that with me i'd rather he'd be honest and then we talk through it and if he's a

01:01:24.240 good guy i'd be fine with it uh we just had a walk in we just had a walk and then the bath in there

01:01:31.980 uh anyways um so i'll just uh so okay

01:01:38.380 uh all right there's a lot of super chats here guys so i need to just get through them really quick

01:01:47.520 edward sorry i'm gonna try to get through as many of these as i can

01:01:50.420 all right edward edward why don't we just have edward just come on the show

01:01:55.760 he really wants to be on the show thursday can you make it to santa barbara sba we've got an

01:02:02.440 report okay um so okay we were the most avoided topic in intersectional dynamics is the alpha what

01:02:09.760 wait oh alpha fucks beta bucks dilemma i hope you guys discuss the first super chat it's a fundamental

01:02:16.640 problem uh thank you edward for the i thought we did i think edward super chat didn't we yeah i think

01:02:23.260 we did um was that an old super chat that he said right here this is just a follow-up on the most

01:02:28.340 avoided topic intersectional alpha fucks beta bucks yeah we did talk a little bit when we pretty we

01:02:34.100 talked a bit about that thank you edward we've got another one here from edward thank you edward for

01:02:38.400 the uh ten dollar super chat much appreciated um let's see no no oh wait okay we got this one

01:02:44.900 edward scornfield ten dollar super chat is it understandable for men who aren't physically

01:02:49.300 gifted who become a someone through hard work to not take women seriously is it understandable for

01:02:55.720 men who aren't physically gifted here's i want to i want to respond to this i want to respond to this

01:03:00.320 edward i will say this as somebody who's spent years working on myself um there's a lot of like

01:03:06.480 younger girls that i don't take seriously from like a dating and marriage perspective because like

01:03:11.980 i have high standards and and i know what i want in a wife and there's a lot of women that aren't up to

01:03:18.320 par you know with that and i don't take women like that seriously from a dating perspective from a

01:03:24.920 general life perspective i think that you should still take people like that seriously so i would say

01:03:30.860 as far as not being physically gifted um i can definitely say you know for a lot of women like

01:03:36.100 first thing it will say look for a man is like height right there's nothing that you can do about

01:03:40.840 height but what you can do is you can always do something about your physique you can always work

01:03:45.540 out i mean browse anywhere on social media and you see people you know in like you know in

01:03:50.220 wheelchairs like doing pull-ups and whatnot like great for them like you can always do something

01:03:53.300 about how you look you can always do something about how much money you make you can always be a

01:03:58.300 more interesting person um listen to podcasts read books like is that there's there's no such

01:04:04.340 like a lot of men you know that again like are incels and whatnot a lot of them are doing that

01:04:07.980 like they're shooting themselves in the foot like you can't do anything but hype you can always

01:04:10.980 make yourself more appealing to women like no matter what okay absolutely let's uh get this

01:04:17.180 next super chat here yo brandon thank you for the ten dollar super chat man it was good talking

01:04:21.840 to you yesterday on the phone man appreciate it uh good format tonight fellas everyone looks sharp

01:04:26.520 brian it's the gents club experience for you this weekend sir uh i will be at the spearmint thank you

01:04:31.800 for the uh hookup man appreciate it uh let's see by the way anyone watching spearmint rhino check it

01:04:38.600 out in santa barbara okay edward score edward all right i guess this is this is the edward scornfield

01:04:46.340 show tonight guys um yeah dude in the mill is right after the athletes run through the hot ones when

01:04:51.500 they hit the wall they don't want that beef anymore but i'm trying to remember what that was in

01:04:58.420 response to i think he's just saying that like if after they kind of get ran through then they

01:05:03.980 realize like oh that wasn't a great idea and that's that okay holy shit edward dude edward you're a

01:05:10.560 fucking legend dude hold on we gotta get a little yeah we gotta get a little for you dude bro edward

01:05:16.420 financially edward edward this is uh edward i don't know if this is your first time joining us but i think

01:05:23.140 it's the first time i think i've seen you super chat so uh really appreciate you man thank you for

01:05:27.080 tuning in uh zavi what's up man uh how you doing each one of these girls have friends that they

01:05:33.200 think they shouldn't be with that dude because he's no good for her and each of them are that

01:05:37.560 friend wait hold on each one of these girls have friends that they think they shouldn't be with that

01:05:42.400 dude what zavi no offense bro you gotta learn punctuation my god uh okay edward scornfield with

01:05:49.840 the ten dollar soup chat what's the women's first choice here a tall athletic man or an on well

01:05:57.160 i mean i'm i'm pretty sure what their answer is going to be okay here's here's here's a question

01:06:02.920 to add on to that because i think edward 99 out of 100 women are going to prefer a tall athletic man

01:06:09.140 over a shorter unathletic one what interesting interesting question for you guys would you guys

01:06:14.580 prefer a tall athletic man broke or oh who's broke or right is that where you were going with it

01:06:21.760 that's not where i was going with i was going to say tall athletic man or maybe an unathletic one who

01:06:26.480 like maybe he plays guitar or like he's i don't know if a fate effect effect i think got some

01:06:34.580 interesting hobbies which which would you guys prefer can you define fat like effeminate

01:06:40.300 fat effeminate like like he's like kind of girly like oh okay traditionally masculine okay got it

01:06:47.840 what'd you say like like written by a woman type of man i think i'm actually using that wait i'm not

01:06:55.260 sure if it's like written by a woman type of type of dude but like uh like the last podcast that i did

01:07:00.800 with brian one of the girls said like i actually really like like effeminate guys who aren't like

01:07:04.920 traditionally masculine so like what's what's your guys's preferences on that um i mean naturally

01:07:12.100 i would probably be drawn more into the drawn more into the more attractive one but like if i liked

01:07:16.980 the other one more i probably would go with him it's kind of more about personality for me okay um

01:07:22.320 yeah probably what hannah said um i genuinely like don't have a preference i really don't i i think

01:07:29.400 that both can be extremely attractive it just depends on i mean personality looks um values just

01:07:36.200 everything like that so i don't have a preference i want to revise the question a little bit sorry

01:07:40.120 okay really good looking guy tall handsome whatever but broke not ambitious whatever well i guess he's

01:07:49.500 got to be kind of ambitious if he's athletic or kind of like dad bod guy but rich maybe a bit of

01:07:55.300 status go ahead um i would go for the more attractive one if it's just the money that's different between

01:08:02.340 them besides the other factor just because i plan on supporting myself so support okay

01:08:08.680 speak into the mic oh uh i don't know i would probably go for the lot the latter yeah

01:08:18.680 i mean if if the tall athletic guy was broke because he was unambitious then that's like a

01:08:27.640 horrible turnoff and i just like i really value like ambition in someone and so if that was the case

01:08:33.640 then i wouldn't i wouldn't let's say he's really hot though okay but how hot like i like like 10 out

01:08:41.220 of 10 but channing tatum yeah i just i still don't think that matters if he's super hot but he can't

01:08:46.280 like he can't support himself i'm calling cat you really you really think so really just some i just

01:08:52.160 i'm not envisioning some super ultra stud chad to date like to date to have a life with like some

01:08:57.880 super ultra stud chad like no like really jacked no very handsome no no but to have sex let's say

01:09:04.620 let's say he's well yeah but like there it is it's different they're two very different things

01:09:11.060 dating and sex very different so we're just gonna keep it moving go ahead no that's true dating and

01:09:16.140 sex is very different like obviously like you know first if i'm gonna have sex with someone like

01:09:20.360 i'm gonna choose a more physically attractive one but like it kind of goes back to like ambition like

01:09:25.040 i think for me like ambition is something that's a very like a big green flag like and if someone is

01:09:31.140 like you know works really hard and works on themselves but also you know i could see myself

01:09:36.260 having a future with them then that's the person i'm going to want to be with you know it's kind of

01:09:40.760 like going to like the university like i want to end up with someone with someone who actually

01:09:46.020 goes and has like a future versus someone who may not have a future

01:09:49.660 i prefer the more attractive one i think attraction is huge and just because you're broke i mean i can

01:09:56.580 help you get your credit score up you know like if we're in a relationship like i know what i bring

01:10:01.220 to the table and just because what do you bring to the table oh that's a that's a good question you

01:10:07.120 you just you just said you know what you bring to the table so what do you bring to the table i'm

01:10:11.140 very ambitious and i know that i will be successful let me in the future is that it

01:10:16.540 oh well there's more too i'm also i mean i love to like cook for other people i'm very caring i love

01:10:22.140 to do stuff together i love to spend time so the first two things you said though is that you're

01:10:27.080 very ambitious and that you know you're going to be successful and i can help them i mean if we

01:10:31.020 love each other i'm totally willing to help them with that so let me ask you a question do you

01:10:35.100 think that that is something that men care about yes no offense by the way but do you think that

01:10:40.880 men care about a woman's ambition or success i would hope so let's open it up to the panel really

01:10:46.560 quick um do you think men care about a woman's what she brings financially to a relationship

01:10:52.400 um i really think that's a question that kind of depends on the person not to say depends again but

01:11:00.040 um i think that everybody has a different opinion about money and everybody comes from a different

01:11:05.260 background so you can't i feel like you can't generalize that i feel like we should speak in

01:11:11.600 generalities though we're speaking generalities here let's generalize um it was a question

01:11:19.460 go ahead generally speaking do you think dudes care about ambition and financial success in a woman

01:11:28.320 do you think they find that attractive yes okay do you think it's like a high priority for men

01:11:33.500 um probably less successful than like them but like still successful okay um i think that i mean i

01:11:47.540 get okay we're generalizing so i'm not gonna say depends i mean it seems as if in today's society

01:11:54.400 things are kind of shifting it's kind of going from like oh the man provides all the money to i feel

01:11:59.620 like it's kind of getting a little bit closer to being equal i mean i would hope so i would say yes

01:12:06.160 they do value that because obviously you want an ambitious woman you want a woman that can stand her

01:12:11.520 own ground that can make her own money and i don't know i just think it's like society has really been

01:12:16.640 accepting that lately and i'm really happy i'm happy about that it makes me happy um i have two takes on

01:12:22.620 this one i think boys versus men kind of is different like boys i don't think definitely

01:12:28.120 not men i definitely think um i mean my opinion i think that they value that more um and also i think

01:12:34.980 it also is like how you grew up i actually just talked to a recent close friend of mine and i was

01:12:40.620 very surprised but he said that he grew up with parents who were very much like you know his mom

01:12:45.400 went and like grew up in the household she took care of the kids like kind of like the stereotypical

01:12:49.820 versus her his dad went and like you know worked and he said he wouldn't mind having you know a wife

01:12:54.320 who kind of like stayed at the household and if there was a choice between him working and her or

01:12:58.540 her working he would prefer him to work and her to stay in the household versus some of my other friends

01:13:03.400 you know go and say that they're much more like you know it's getting more toward like you know more

01:13:07.960 of an equal equalized relationship but generally i would go back to my first thing which is like men would

01:13:13.760 value that okay versus boys versus boys that's a good distinction to make i think you could actually

01:13:21.980 argue that a boy would care more about a woman's finances because as a man most like a man let's

01:13:31.460 say a guy who's an attorney for example um he'd probably date a barista a woman who worked at

01:13:40.260 chick-fil-a if she was attractive but i'd say most women who are attorneys would not do the reverse

01:13:46.220 of female like a female professional a female attorney or say a doctor or whatever it is she's

01:13:52.960 probably going to be looking for a guy that is on her level or higher like yeah and i think definitely

01:14:00.920 maybe from like this panel like we're all kind of like 1920 i think our perception is definitely like

01:14:06.180 you know we are at college right now and i've experienced like you know boys and then i've also

01:14:10.620 dated a couple like i would consider like men who like go and value things a little bit differently

01:14:14.740 um so i think you know my perception is that you know limited but i do kind of agree with that and

01:14:21.240 then maybe also like i mean you guys please like let me know because i'm actually genuinely interested

01:14:26.800 is that do you find maybe a really successful woman very like intimidating almost and then with this

01:14:32.060 kind of like sidetrack or like would you guys be deterred from it or tanner you go ahead first

01:14:37.080 okay so you know for me um i'm trying to scale myself to be the best man that i can be where i mean

01:14:43.400 now i you know i have a a good job i mean i'm not like rich by any means but i do pretty good for

01:14:49.620 myself um totally support myself i have my side business now it's like something of my own that i'm

01:14:54.600 trying to scale that you know should be making like more money and that's something that you know i want

01:14:58.560 to do for me but also to provide like for a woman um big thing for me is like i want a woman who

01:15:06.260 you know say if she has a great job like makes money like that's fine but i'm looking for a woman that

01:15:11.960 is like very feminine like and for me like has to love babies like and has to want to have a family

01:15:17.780 like that's huge for me like that's what i'm looking for if she likes to work and does all that like

01:15:24.100 hey good great but she like has to be feminine and has to love babies and would have to be willing

01:15:30.660 to spend at least like the first five years of my kid's life you know like with them raising them

01:15:36.140 and whatnot so if they want to like work and want to be successful that way that's fine but they also

01:15:41.400 have to be okay with the family dynamic that i would want in the future and like to let me support them

01:15:46.580 in that way so you're a little turned off by like independent women i mean i wouldn't say turned off

01:15:52.240 but like say if there was like an independent woman that was kind of doing her thing but then

01:15:56.120 she was like hey i do want children and i you know i do want to raise them and whatnot then like that's

01:16:02.100 what i'm looking for if it's an independent woman that's just like oh no like if i were to have a kid

01:16:05.480 or whatever but then immediately just like you know put them in like public school and just have them

01:16:10.600 like you're raised by whoever and have nothing to do them in that way that's not something that i would

01:16:15.060 want like you know what i mean yeah i understand yeah yeah so for me the distinction

01:16:22.100 here is that like when i get married i want a wife who is submissive and traditionally feminine

01:16:28.460 and i want to be in like a leadership role and kind of traditionally masculine and one of the things

01:16:35.360 that i think happens a lot in the world is when women are making a lot of money they kind of end up

01:16:39.380 like wearing the pants in the relationship and that can really kind of fuck up relationship dynamics

01:16:45.540 like when i was growing up my mom she wasn't making more money than my dad but there was a lot

01:16:51.620 of times where she was kind of wearing the pants in the relationship and it created a lot of friction

01:16:55.320 in our household and like if i if i found a woman who's making more money than i was like i it might be

01:17:02.540 a little bit intimidating but like if there's like a big difference like let's say i don't know she's

01:17:07.680 making like four hundred thousand dollars a year more than i am like that that'd probably be a bit

01:17:12.120 intimidating but if i met her and we had a good dynamic and like the two of us could kind of

01:17:16.460 collaborate on like how we wanted to build a life together and she like trusted my leadership

01:17:20.940 that that's like the key right like if for me if a woman trusts my leadership as a man like that's

01:17:27.400 that's like a green light for me so to just make it clear what you're saying is that

01:17:31.380 an independent woman isn't a total turnoff but you still have to be the leader the men still has to be

01:17:38.300 the leader in the relationship or like you know the woman has to be submissive for for me like

01:17:43.420 that's what i want like i and i personally find like the whole like boss bitch like i'm a strong

01:17:49.540 independent woman who don't need no man like i find that to be a total turnoff i i don't like that at

01:17:54.420 all i think coming like you know chase and i were both christians and kind of we look at that that way

01:17:59.600 is that like you know women will kind of speaking from like a marriage standpoint you know women will

01:18:04.960 kind of submit to their husbands um and they might not necessarily agree with everything that

01:18:10.780 they're saying but they will still and if they do agree or not agree with it they will let them know

01:18:15.780 vocalize like why they don't agree with it why they think it's not a good idea but at the end of

01:18:19.740 the day will still submit to their husband and then still trust them enough to be like okay if this

01:18:24.640 is a mistake whatever then you will find a way out of it and trust enough to be that way

01:18:28.680 yeah i mean yeah like so one of the things that the bible tells us as men is that we're called to be

01:18:34.900 the spiritual leaders of our household and as a christian i look at what's going on in the world

01:18:39.520 and i think that we're in a spirit but chase not everyone's a christian you're right you're right but

01:18:43.380 as as a christian i look at what's happening in the world and i see a spiritual war that's happening

01:18:47.900 and i i i see that as something that like you know there's uh i i think that uh there's a lot of dudes

01:18:56.720 who how would i put this i there's a lot of pitfalls in the world spiritually um

01:19:04.140 i don't know i know you don't like getting into like the trans stuff and whatnot on the show but

01:19:09.300 like i'll just say this like there's there's a lot of pitfalls in the world spiritually and like

01:19:15.120 when when a woman doesn't submit to like a husband or like the way he wants to lead the household like

01:19:20.740 you might end up in a situation where the husband doesn't want a kid to get a transgender surgery or

01:19:26.060 something like that i'm sorry i'm sorry how do you get from point a to point b we're like we're not gonna

01:19:32.020 yeah this it's it's an important point it is an important point though like how do you get from

01:19:37.180 point a to point b we're like let's say like uh someone who like financially supports their

01:19:41.820 household because my mom like when growing up like my mom honestly brought in like most of the money

01:19:45.360 like and i don't understand how like those women condition their children to be transgender i'm not

01:19:51.480 saying i'm not saying they condition their kids that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is

01:19:55.800 in in households where there isn't a traditional masculine feminine dynamic like sometimes the

01:20:01.620 dudes will be pushovers and you know stuff i mean there's also plenty of men that are like pretty

01:20:07.300 liberal and would just go along with yeah some of those ideologies or whatever there are i'm just

01:20:15.380 saying that's not what i want for my household that's i'm not interested that's fine and i'll give

01:20:19.660 my take um i don't really for me finances wise it's pretty low priority for me um honestly don't

01:20:30.400 really care she could work at chick-fil-a hook it up you know get me some chicken tenders like i don't

01:20:38.600 care i really don't care um she doesn't need to match me socioeconomically um yeah doesn't bother me

01:20:47.220 at all so i i think i think most guys are i think most guys prioritize like beauty fertility um youth

01:20:57.960 femininity over low body count that's another some some guys don't care about that a lot of guys care

01:21:04.900 about that but i think those guys mainly prioritize those things over like ambition and financial

01:21:10.040 success in women why do you think that is because what's like the disconnect because i think that

01:21:16.260 women value ambition and success way higher than looks and that youngness youth like whatever so

01:21:26.800 what do you think the disconnect is i mean the difference so i i would say that there are all

01:21:33.680 sorts of asymmetries between what men and women find attractive so for example men don't care so much

01:21:39.960 about the women's height they certainly don't care if i would say most most men don't have a

01:21:45.140 preference for a female partner being taller than them but i would say most women have a preference for

01:21:50.900 their male partner being taller than them so that's an asymmetry there in terms of what men and women

01:21:57.420 find attractive so let me ask you another one would you can i answer her question i don't think you

01:22:02.380 answered it directly enough to be honest i'm kind of getting at it right okay go ahead well so what

01:22:10.460 your question is why so my question is why do men why okay i guess it's just like it's weird for me

01:22:18.700 because like i just value like ambition and just kind of like having goals and just being a really

01:22:24.060 driven person as like a huge priority to me and i and you basically said that that is not a priority

01:22:30.200 to men and i'm just curious as to why and then i also have a second question um so i have a very

01:22:35.580 direct and simple okay perfect so i think when you have a guy that's like ambitious and he's confident

01:22:42.020 and he's getting after it in life like that kind of subconsciously signals to women like this guy's

01:22:46.260 probably going to be successful if you're if a guy that you're with is going to be successful i think

01:22:51.720 there's like deep in your brain a part of you that realizes okay if i build a family with this guy

01:22:56.180 he's going to be able to provide for me and probably going to be able to protect me

01:22:59.000 right whereas guys like i'm not looking at a woman thinking okay she's going to be able to

01:23:04.220 provide for me and protect me like i look at a woman and i'm like is she going to be able to

01:23:07.600 carry my kids can i you know have a bunch of kids with her is she going to have healthy pregnancies

01:23:12.200 she'll be loyal to me is she going to be loyal to me yeah and and like i think like like when a

01:23:19.600 woman gets pregnant like people talk about this with evolutionary psychology right like if a woman

01:23:24.600 gets pregnant throughout a lot of history that would be like a very vulnerable position to be in

01:23:30.440 right like if you're going to get pregnant you're going to you're going to have a baby in your belly

01:23:34.580 if there's a predator you're going to be slower to get away from it you're going to need resources

01:23:38.960 to sustain that pregnancy right and so you need to know okay my guy is going to be able to provide

01:23:43.840 for me right and if he's if he's a guy who's like you know he's going to be successful you're going

01:23:49.200 to have a lot of confidence in that guy right like it's attractive to you i have for my second

01:23:53.880 question what i'm actually genuinely just like really curious like genuinely because i i've just

01:24:00.780 i've never really had this conversation with guys what percentage of guys do you guys think think the

01:24:05.400 same as you um in the sense of like you guys aren't as attracted to like the boss woman like

01:24:11.460 whatever like go-getter independent you know what i mean because i i was thinking about it and i was

01:24:16.560 like i actually have no idea like what men think about this okay most most guys they will literally

01:24:24.220 their opinion will be based solely off of what they think will get women to sleep with them

01:24:29.960 that is the vast majority of men i swear that and that is it so as far as like men's opinions um

01:24:38.060 say what you're saying exactly men so i'm not talking about i'm not talking about um like hooking up

01:24:44.280 i'm talking about like in a relationship with a woman that you want to get married to um what is

01:24:49.840 the predominant thinking with men like what do men think like what does the majority of men think about

01:24:56.500 like a woman that's like you know independent makes her own money doesn't really think about like you

01:25:01.880 know the man being the well as far as finances go uh it's very low priority of course we don't want

01:25:08.560 a woman who's got like 300 000 of debt but right it's we really don't it's you care it's youth and

01:25:17.620 fertility biologically speaking low body count low body count is very fertility for a lot of guys too

01:25:23.260 but youth and fertility like femininity this is why this is why like tits and ass are so huge to guys

01:25:29.500 right like it's such a big priority for guys because not fake ones though yeah not true like like so many

01:25:34.940 guys are attracted to a girl with i think in my opinion so many guys are attracted to women with

01:25:39.120 big boobs and big butts because it signals fertility right and like i think we're small

01:25:44.280 solidarity it's not something we like consciously think about like it's it's just our biology like

01:25:50.060 when we see a woman with those things we just like our body knows okay she can she can make kids for us

01:25:55.960 and i think we're like hardwired for that you know same thing with women like in like tall jack dudes

01:26:00.540 you know what i mean it's the same thing and that's that's not to say obviously that guys don't

01:26:05.040 like women without big boobs or a big butt but it's just like it's like just our biological programming

01:26:10.760 and i think i think most guys probably 90 plus of dudes like they look at a woman's youth and her

01:26:18.740 beauty and like that's what they immediately judge and the the financial success ambition that comes

01:26:24.380 second comes after morals though i'd say i definitely say that like men will look at morals as well

01:26:29.920 along with femininity and beauty fertility and i i think i think like as you guys you guys are

01:26:35.700 mostly 20 right yeah like i think as you guys get into your mid-20s and stuff like right now you're

01:26:41.420 probably looking at dudes and you like the confident energetic like tall handsome guys but as you guys

01:26:46.440 get into your mid-20s you're probably going to really place a premium on like okay is this guy going

01:26:51.080 somewhere in life because if if you see a guy who's going somewhere in life that's going to be very

01:26:55.880 attractive to you guys i have a question for you um you say that like you're attracted to like youth

01:27:01.140 and femininity um do you think that means that like after your wife turns like 35 like you're not

01:27:07.620 going to be attracted to her anymore because she's not going to be considered young and feminine

01:27:10.340 that's a good question so i think for a lot of guys that's the case i was telling them last time

01:27:15.460 this is a this is a pattern that i've noticed with the older dudes at my gym who are all divorced

01:27:20.080 like a lot of these guys like they started you know they they married women that they started

01:27:26.740 having sex with very quickly and then once they got into their late 30s and into their 40s they

01:27:31.520 realize there's nothing really there beyond the physical attraction and a lot of these dudes got

01:27:36.300 divorced for me like yeah i want a wife who i'm physically attracted to but like i want a wife who

01:27:43.480 have a really deep connection to because i want to be cracking jokes with her on my porch when we're in

01:27:48.820 our 70s you know like i want to be talking about like books and movies and stuff like that and i

01:27:54.400 think a lot of people get into relationships where it's just purely based on the physical attraction

01:27:58.340 and that fizzles out after you're out of your 30s for a lot of people you know and so for a lot of

01:28:04.680 guys that's the case but i think if you carefully pick your partner you know and have a strong connection

01:28:10.140 with them then like the attractiveness wouldn't matter when you are 35 because also like we both men and

01:28:16.060 women age right so you have to be able to have that deep emotional connection so you can continue

01:28:21.180 a long relationship okay exactly i got it and i think like if you find a great guy who you build

01:28:26.720 a family with like that love is going to evolve and transform right like when you guys first meet if

01:28:32.240 you meet in your 20s he's going to be really attracted to your physical beauty and all that

01:28:35.440 stuff but if you guys have kids together and you guys grow with one another that love is going to

01:28:40.080 transform from just being physical attraction into like you guys have built a life with one another

01:28:45.140 you care about each other's individuals and like you guys have raised kids into human being adults

01:28:50.660 you know together and like that's that's where you can build a lot more love off of and i think

01:28:55.260 that's what sustains people over the long run you know i think though too that a lot of guys you know

01:29:00.580 that would say be in their early like to mid 30s or so they would you know try to look for a woman

01:29:05.400 that's in her you know it's like you know 23 to like 26 or so just because they've had more time to

01:29:10.920 build themselves up um like as a man get more resources get more income all that stuff and then

01:29:16.820 have like some of this you know younger and more beautiful because i mean there's no shortage of

01:29:21.880 women that are like 35 year old like wine drinking dog moms you know um that just like hate everybody

01:29:28.580 and say like you know absolute all men are just this that way and the other um just because they've

01:29:33.060 like warded off every single man and then their beauty is kind of fading versus somebody that's

01:29:37.200 younger and you know corporal and and on that point too couch potato farm said if a woman stays

01:29:44.180 disciplined eating well and exercising women will be attractive at all ages that is like such an

01:29:49.660 important point there are there are like so many women out there there's so many women out there who

01:29:56.920 take like really good care of themselves they eat the right foods they stay on top of their exercise

01:30:01.220 and they are hot into their like 40s and 50s and there's also a lot of you could you could call

01:30:06.500 them oh yeah yeah i grew up in san diego there's a ton of those it just speaks i mean for for you

01:30:11.960 know both genders is like if you um treat yourself like shit and you're just out just drinking fucking

01:30:17.640 seltzers and like that's your hobby and just going out partying all that stuff you're gonna age

01:30:22.100 way quicker than somebody who actually eats clean takes care of their health exercises like

01:30:27.040 it goes for both men and women like no doubt i have a follow-up question if fertility is so

01:30:32.800 important would you not pursue someone who you click with on any other level or on every other

01:30:39.000 level if they're infertile not because of their actions or drugs or alcohol but they were born infertile

01:30:44.020 would you not pursue them because of that it's a good question well if you uh i guess it depends if

01:30:49.380 i mean if you want kids that's probably a pretty big deal breaker so it's just a non-starter if you

01:30:54.020 want kids um but if a guy is open to not having kids then so that's actually probably a good thing

01:31:02.180 but can't you have kids in other ways no so okay well let's get into that next

01:31:08.660 yo can you pull up brain super chat again or ad med ad med started with brain brain yeah he meant to

01:31:18.960 type brian he said brian this podcast will never pop off until one guy tells the truth to

01:31:23.960 these girls every single guy is so scared to talk the truth goodness me what are you talking

01:31:28.060 about i'll spit i know he's he's just throwing shade i i will say i will say that um my my last

01:31:37.700 girlfriend wait why did why did we bring that one up my just it was it was interesting and i want to

01:31:42.640 spit some hard truth i want to spit some hard truth to these girls my last girlfriend and i we broke up

01:31:46.480 because she was like super pro getting the vaccine and uh are we about to are we about to get your

01:31:54.680 channel taken down right now we're not no covid shit we're not talking to covid shit sorry man f

01:31:59.420 just assume just assume what he has to say we're not going to talk covid all right um sorry between

01:32:04.340 the lines we'll get fucking i don't want to get brian's channel nuked youtube um by the way i just

01:32:11.440 want to make it clear you know we've got three guys here but not all we don't we don't all have

01:32:15.280 the same opinion on on everything oh brian wants to speak let me just say he disagrees with my last

01:32:20.780 point what about the we're not going to talk about vaccines we're not talking vaccines um did you

01:32:27.060 have something to say i thought she moved my ex wait you guys know you said at the beginning that

01:32:34.140 you guys broke up because she moved to another country that was when i was that was like six years ago

01:32:39.200 or seven years ago okay we're gonna get caught up on some chats here that was that was a different

01:32:44.480 x we're gonna get caught up here on some chats uh we got the american network against labia place d which

01:32:51.120 is my uh non-profit organization hashtag all labia matter facts thank you my non-profit organization

01:32:59.840 for that yeah uh it's a it's it's a real shame that women are shamed for their labia would you guys

01:33:07.320 agree have you ever heard have you guys ever heard a guy shaming a woman if she had a like a large labia

01:33:14.920 what why are you giving me the death stare well no i'm just saying that this is a first for me but

01:33:20.520 like i mean i i appreciate like honestly the honesty too like i'm also aware too like both you guys said

01:33:26.220 you come from like chris like you guys are both christian correct so like i'm also taking into

01:33:30.320 perspective that's your background but i mean definitely like i like um i'm very um generally

01:33:36.280 interested about your guys's perception i'm going and like you know thinking about that and i

01:33:40.200 appreciate that yeah you you really wanted to get off of the labia topic very quickly is there

01:33:45.640 something you want to tell us have you been just gonna leave it at that it's awkward bro have you

01:33:50.600 been you you've been thinking about okay never mind next one we have a comment from stiff meister

01:33:56.440 here he's here every week ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten

01:34:01.160 if you insist stiff meister okay go ahead rate your looks on a scale of one seven or an eight

01:34:09.880 yeah probably same that's such an odd question

01:34:15.080 stiff just based on just looks like nothing to do with just looks 7.5

01:34:22.040 um yeah seven probably seven eight and a half 20 no i'm just kidding i think i'm like a 7.58 on a good

01:34:32.840 day six 6.9 on a good day um andrew tate says i'm flying the brunette to romania pack your bags

01:34:44.600 well we have two i mean two brunettes well which mr tate andrew tate which one yeah we have three

01:34:51.960 brunettes here what no okay um so let's get caught up here on uh we got so many super chats guys it's

01:35:02.440 insane let's just i need to let's do a speed round so many of them okay i won't get through all of them

01:35:08.200 but um oh my is that 40 do i see we have 40 super chats yeah we got edward dude you're gonna need

01:35:15.240 to up the amount of money people pay for us to talk about them yeah guys um 20 and up from now on

01:35:21.240 just because we have i'm sorry guys we just have way too many super chats and it'll just we'll spend

01:35:25.160 the rest of the show talking about it so we're gonna have to do a lightning round let's go let's

01:35:29.080 go 10 and up for now let's go 10 and no it is 10 and up okay yeah so 20 and up guys for super

01:35:33.720 chats sorry i it's just we're getting blasted market dynamics supplying them um okay so let's

01:35:39.800 see i think we're on this one do they select unathletic men edward scornfield thank you man

01:35:47.640 they couldn't lock down the athlete sorry i keep bringing up athlete but sexually i think women

01:35:51.800 want physically dominant man um do they select on it because they i think most women want a physically

01:36:00.680 dominant man if he's the complete package but if they can't get that they're going to pick the next

01:36:05.320 best option most men that have options won't want to settle down because they have options yeah edward

01:36:12.440 scornfield with the ten dollar soup chat if the past doesn't matter should we just get rid of the

01:36:15.960 judicial system yeah yeah yeah that's a that's where we're finally getting to these yeah these came in

01:36:23.400 like super early um that's a pretty sarcastic it depends should we just get rid of the judicial system

01:36:28.200 um yeah he's he's just uh chatting with us edward thank you though so much for the support man

01:36:33.000 if a man makes money doing dishonest legal things do you care mike davis with the ten dollar soup chat

01:36:38.280 what's up eddie nice to see another man here who isn't on welfare and has a few dollars to spend

01:36:43.640 yeah mike davis there's some competition for you man there's some competition coming edward edward

01:36:49.000 scornfield and yeah i think he's also coming in for the roaster position too it seems uh people in

01:36:53.960 the comments are asking nathan's description people in the comments are asking who's jackie

01:36:58.200 jackie's the one in green for everybody listening for everyone that wants to know hi who's nathan

01:37:03.800 baha to nathan's description i'm not sure what okay ralph um how much is rent out there uh so we're i

01:37:12.040 mean we are doing 10 and up but i'll just answer really quick it's like for one bedroom it's about

01:37:16.360 low end you're probably going to spend two thousand dollars expensive for a one kind of crummy one

01:37:21.640 bed i mean if you're if you're just like splitting an apartment you could spend like 13 1400 bucks

01:37:26.600 edwards edward scornfield with the ten dollar soup chat chase i believe this is targeted towards you

01:37:31.320 bro in all fairness you're a trust fund baby with your looks appreciate it chase do you want to uh

01:37:37.240 respond to i mean dude it's just a casual roast thanks thanks for complimenting my looks bro

01:37:42.440 mike davis brian instead of craigslist it looks like you got this pack of low-grade females from back

01:37:47.800 page oh for the street oh okay i want to open it up to uh that was funny that was funny do you have

01:37:58.280 a response to mr mike davis

01:38:03.400 oh wait wait what do you guys have a response to what you just said he just called you a pack

01:38:07.240 of low-grade females from back page well you know what mike i don't even know what back page is

01:38:11.960 i don't know that just doesn't offend me and by the way craigslist is great people get their dogs

01:38:17.000 on craigslist it's great okay anything um i mean people are gonna hate you know that's why you're

01:38:24.360 over there going and commenting and set up up here in front of the camera so but like i mean yeah it is

01:38:30.120 what it is like everywhere you get you're gonna get hate you know you could either take it or leave

01:38:33.480 it but at the end of the day you should just like know who you are you know and respect yourself so

01:38:37.480 i'm not going to really take any judgment for everyone else and like judge myself based off of

01:38:41.800 you know some low-grade insults okay mike davis mike davis there's still an open invitation for you to

01:38:49.640 come on the show ladies yeah do not take offense to it he roasts everybody on the show

01:38:56.360 he's the one he's the one paying to comment that so let's edward scornfield with the ten dollar

01:39:01.560 super chat if they say an effeminate man it's because they're ready for a relationship

01:39:05.560 if they're getting slammed they're going for the athlete athletes get all the fun

01:39:10.440 i mean there's definitely some truth to that like just for a hookup you know but for a relationship

01:39:19.480 that's maybe y'all want a man you can control a bit better whereas like a player he ain't gonna

01:39:23.720 settle so i get that we should keep moving yep uh isn't it ridiculous the attractiveness

01:39:32.040 attractiveness brings nothing to the table but the betas keep taking it there's a reason the migtau

01:39:37.400 and migtau is men going their own way movement is what it is um okay edward scornfield thank you for

01:39:45.720 the ten dollar soup chat aham oh okay it's one of these uh gag names aim aham gay yeah yeah yeah yeah

01:39:58.040 i caught it i caught it um it's funny my michael literis got me last week though um how how important

01:40:07.240 is a social media presence image and dating i personally did not have an ig after giving it

01:40:11.560 up but it seems like that's a red flag how important okay so really quick really quick

01:40:16.840 around the table guys go ahead i don't think it's important at all based honestly i prefer people

01:40:27.240 who don't have a social media presence wait are we talking about like our presence or like no his

01:40:35.080 presence let's say let's say you've got a dude would he be more attractive or less attractive if

01:40:40.520 he had 100 000 250 000 followers on instagram i mean i i'm gonna be honest it definitely less

01:40:47.960 attractive but that's just coming from my standpoint of like getting like i mean i feel like i'd get

01:40:52.760 jealous you know because like like if he's attractive like wouldn't there just be like

01:40:56.440 hundreds and hundreds like of girls like messaging him and stuff and like there's obviously temptation

01:41:01.560 with that you know if you trust them a hundred and ten percent then i wouldn't mind but it's it's

01:41:07.720 definitely a little it's a red flag it's i wouldn't say it's a red flag it's just it's a little

01:41:12.840 concerning okay it's a little concerning okay yeah that's a good answer yeah yeah i think i would

01:41:17.720 actually like prefer maybe if they didn't have like that high of a social media but honestly i don't

01:41:22.760 i don't know if it's like with the guys think about the girls because i've seen a lot of people like

01:41:27.080 a lot of guys definitely do judge girls based off of their like instagram feeds maybe because like

01:41:31.640 that's the initial look of them so i want to hear about you that for you guys but a little bit more

01:41:36.040 based off of that and kind of what you were on um and kind of even i don't know like if like a guy

01:41:41.960 is very very into his social media maybe it could also be because um like you said like a lot of

01:41:49.160 girls maybe like after that because they have the ability to go and see and they see like their

01:41:52.680 attractiveness and then they um and then it's kind of like that first initial like based off of like

01:41:56.600 their physical looks so that's why like you know for me in that perspective in perspective like

01:42:01.480 i personally would prefer a guy who's like not very big on social media too because i guess it

01:42:06.760 makes them for me at least it makes them seem a little bit more genuine a little bit more grounded

01:42:11.560 and more um more into like them instead of going and putting more effort into how other people perceive

01:42:17.960 them great answer i think when a guy doesn't have social media they're mysterious like there's

01:42:24.280 something a little sexy about that i also think people are very different in person from what they are on

01:42:29.960 their instagram and honestly it just provokes and encourages getting to know them in person which

01:42:35.240 i think is great so hold on i just i want kiki to come in really quick

01:42:41.800 it's okay it's actually fascinating hearing your guys's answers because you guys said almost the

01:42:46.200 exact same thing that the last group of girls i spoke with so really yeah can i like ask so like

01:42:51.320 what is guys perception on it because i have i mean especially right now i'm not sure maybe if it's

01:42:57.640 out there but like um sometimes it's difficult maybe at ucsb like it's sometimes it's difficult

01:43:02.200 to find people who are relationships so that's why you kind of like build this it's this thing that

01:43:06.360 you build the social media presence that way maybe you can go and find people that way and then for

01:43:11.080 example if you go and first meet someone how's the best way that they can meet you oh like here's

01:43:15.960 my instagram maybe get to know you a little bit like does that what's your guys opinion on girls

01:43:20.120 with like a good social media versus maybe um one that's like not very active do you want to start

01:43:25.640 yeah yeah so i mean you know for me i'm trying to scale my business so like i'm on social media and

01:43:30.920 anyone that follows me on social media knows like i'm pretty out there i feel like wild ideas out

01:43:35.000 there and i like to think that i'm funny he is funny but what i do like about social media is that

01:43:43.240 you can tell a lot about somebody by social media like now with our generation you know with millennials

01:43:47.880 and gen z is that a lot of times we um kind of you know we personally out there on social media you

01:43:53.880 can tell a lot about somebody and so if somebody is you know way out there and they're posting

01:43:58.680 like wholesome content stuff that's interesting um things that get you thinking asking philosophical

01:44:03.640 questions like that's pretty great but versus you look at somebody who you look at their instagram

01:44:08.360 that are just posting like booty pics and stuff like that stuff that's just like obviously way out

01:44:12.200 there for attention you know immediately pretty much the gist of who they are um and so it's easy to

01:44:18.840 tell that way you know yeah so yeah um if a girl has a shit ton of followers on social media

01:44:26.840 that's like we're talking hundreds of thousands or even like even chicks with like you know 12 000

01:44:32.440 or less like there's there's girls even less than that there's girls with like 5 000 followers they'll

01:44:38.040 get like pro athletes sliding into their dms that's dangerous right like that's super dangerous chicks

01:44:43.320 with hundreds of thousands of followers like they're gonna have tons and tons of dudes hitting

01:44:49.000 them up and i mean for me like it definitely it like sparks some of my insecurity because i'm like

01:44:54.920 what if you know what if i i'm with a girl and some amazing guy who's like super jacked and good looking and

01:45:01.080 has a lot of money and a lot of social status what if he slides into her dms the more the more followers

01:45:06.040 she has like it increases the chances of that happening so it's like it's something to worry

01:45:11.400 about but you know like you were saying when you get to know a person you know whether or not you

01:45:15.480 can trust them in relation to that um it's also kind of exciting to me because like you know i'm

01:45:21.240 i'm a professional photographer and i do marketing and stuff and i work with with people who have

01:45:26.040 large followings and if if you find a good woman with a large following like i would love to work with

01:45:30.680 her you know if i married her i would love to work with her to like do brand work and stuff like

01:45:34.920 that to make our family a lot of money um i have a question too on that like do you think maybe

01:45:40.200 society's more being driven to like like to kind of like look at girls of social media because

01:45:47.160 i think that maybe like with social media like there is also like that toxicity that comes into

01:45:51.560 play that you kind of mentioned like it does like if they have a lot of followers and a girl's like

01:45:55.720 maybe or a guy too so fix it on that it can be a turnoff but also does social media help you

01:46:01.320 find like initial perception or perspective about like who that girl is definitely i mean

01:46:06.520 yeah if you look and you look at the guy's social media and he's just following like

01:46:10.280 just a bunch of you know booty pic like type pages and stuff like that and whatnot then like instant

01:46:15.640 red flags and but instead of like booty pics like what i meant is like how about a girl maybe who has

01:46:19.960 two posts versus a girl who like maybe goes and posts a lot more is a lot more active maybe she's

01:46:24.680 like more philosophical not doing it for like the booty pics like in the attention but like it's so you

01:46:29.720 know has a major presence i'll say this i'll say this so we're talking about boys and men right

01:46:35.560 okay yeah give me both we're talking about boys and men you've got the boys who just want to hook

01:46:39.560 up with chicks if you're a girl with a profile full of booty pics and all that stuff he's not going

01:46:44.120 to care i'm in a place in life where i'm looking for a wife right if i go to a girl's instagram

01:46:49.000 and it's just a ton of thirst trap photos booty pics all over the place instant red flag i'm like

01:46:54.120 not but if i go to a girl's page let's say she has a thousand posts but she's posting about

01:46:58.360 interesting stuff and stuff that's meaningful to her like maybe some of that will resonate with me

01:47:03.320 right maybe i'll look through some of her stuff like i i i personally love girls with convictions

01:47:07.480 and like strong opinions about things that's going on in the world if if i see a girl with like

01:47:12.440 interesting opinions and they align with like what i think and she's posting that on her social media

01:47:17.240 that's a huge green light for me right i don't care if she has a billion posts or if she's if she's

01:47:23.000 posting pictures of herself and she looks beautiful but she's not like you know her ass

01:47:27.640 isn't hanging out and she's not like thirst trapping like that's that's not a big deal to

01:47:31.960 me either like i i love finding beautiful women on instagram who are like classy and they're not

01:47:36.440 thirst trapping like that's that's a cool thing to see a woman do you know yeah i'll give my take on

01:47:40.760 this too so uh there's definitely tears to it so if she's got just thirst traps a bunch of booty photos

01:47:49.000 booty pics bikini pics um to me it's i don't know i i don't feel it varies it varies if if her instagram

01:47:59.000 is private versus if it's public it's a factor um i mean once you're in a relationship i don't know

01:48:05.640 it to me it's kind of i would prefer if my girlfriend was not posting thirst traps on

01:48:15.320 instagram you don't want her sharing because everything with the world yeah and um i think

01:48:20.760 i think men and women we also flirt differently so i i want to really quick go around the panel

01:48:28.280 is it cheating if you're in a relationship with a guy and he likes another girl's instagram photo

01:48:33.640 let's say it's a bikini pic no um it's not cheating but is it like a red flag would you

01:48:41.480 take issue with it no i mean like if they're just like like mindlessly liking things i wouldn't really

01:48:47.880 care i would look at the other pictures that they've liked and if it's consistent bikini photos

01:48:55.240 then i i mean it's not cheating but if it's like one i like okay it's not it's not a big deal

01:49:02.440 yeah i think also depends like how jealous kind of like the girl can get you know because sometimes

01:49:08.520 you guys went and said you don't want girls posting booty pics because you don't want her

01:49:12.280 showing everything like you kind of like want it to be a little bit more like just for you kind of

01:49:16.440 like you went and said about like the hookups like the less body count the better because it's

01:49:19.960 something that's almost like you guys can connect well it's just like you kind of have for your own you

01:49:25.000 know and i think it's kind of like that too if a guy is going and liking every single picture like

01:49:31.800 for me it might go and spark a little bit of i don't know a little jealousy no way is this true

01:49:37.240 ladies no bull spit just said i just checked out all the girls instagrams and they are all booty

01:49:42.600 pics and bikini pics is this true ladies well who are they talking about

01:49:47.000 all of you all of you i mean it's santa barbara i'm not i'm not judging okay i have a question

01:49:53.960 i have a question okay so let's just say a girl posts bikini pictures right but the motive behind

01:50:01.800 it isn't to like thirst trap or to like i mean not a lot like just like a couple right the motive

01:50:07.640 behind it isn't to thirst shop it's because she's genuinely happy and feels confident about her body

01:50:12.440 maybe she works out a lot or like she's just really proud of i like that you know how she looks

01:50:18.280 and her body yeah do you still think that that's a red flag or something that's kind of like looked

01:50:23.640 down upon good question no i i don't personally like i there's a balance right so like like i followed

01:50:31.240 this one girl on on instagram and she posts she's like a fashion influencer most of her posts are like

01:50:37.640 her adventures or the different outfits that she's wearing stuff like that and then every like 15

01:50:42.280 posts you know she'll throw a bikini picture in there it'll be a tasteful one like she's not like

01:50:47.080 it's not like one of the ones where it's like look look how juicy my ass is it's like it's like

01:50:52.200 it's elegant you know what i mean i personally like that that's different from like there's a lot

01:50:58.040 of girls out there every single photo is like a bikini pic showing off all the goods that's like a

01:51:03.080 totally different thing i don't like that it's very clear when women want attention versus just like

01:51:08.360 posting content for sure can i oh so sorry go for um i actually was like talking with my friend

01:51:13.880 jess and this is something that's very interesting is that at least at ucsb um i know we're not going

01:51:18.760 to generalize like schools and stuff and i don't want to keep it there but it's very common for um

01:51:23.320 girls to go to parties and like it will be like very cold at night and they'll wear like you know

01:51:27.160 skimpy outfits and that's very normalized here and yet when jess and i kind of like we're talking to

01:51:33.560 a lot of our guy friends recently we found out that they actually found that almost as like a

01:51:37.160 turn off um what what's your guys opinion on that like overly skimpy outfits like to me that's that's

01:51:47.640 a turn off because that's just like screaming for attention it's just like hey like look at my body

01:51:51.400 this is what i have to offer um to me that's a turn off yeah i mean like i think like the super

01:51:58.200 tiny skirt like if you're posting images of yourself in like a super tiny skirt and like you know tiny

01:52:03.080 little crop top and you're showing off all the goods like that basically signals hey i want to

01:52:07.000 get banged right like i'm going out tonight to meet some guys i'm like i'm trying to i'm trying

01:52:11.240 to go home with one who has what to offer me what like who has what to offer me yeah yeah basically

01:52:16.840 like it's basically advertising like hey i'm available like you know come at me right like

01:52:21.160 that's that's a turn off it just like there's there's a way there's a way to show off your beauty

01:52:27.720 and who you are as a woman and what you have to offer without giving everybody all the goods and

01:52:32.440 kind of like looking like a slut you know what i mean like there's there's ways to do it you know

01:52:37.480 got it why do you think that like i don't know just kind of an all i what i've noticed like traveling

01:52:42.920 i mean along different college campuses and just young people in general um do you think like maybe

01:52:49.080 sometimes it's such a normalized thing that people feel pressured to do it not because they're screaming

01:52:54.040 for attention but because it's almost kind of like a well i'm not going to fit in if i don't wear

01:52:58.600 a shirt that's showing my whole tit you know yeah i feel like a lot of people feel that yeah

01:53:03.800 no 100 100 when i was in when i was in college like all the girls were trying to post the hottest

01:53:10.360 pictures all the time and they were trying to meet the cutest guys and stuff and it changes once you're

01:53:14.680 out of college you know thank gosh seriously change the culture though right it's all about the culture

01:53:20.920 like all about your friends that are in your sorority or ever like dressing like that like

01:53:24.360 why are you dressing like that like what are you trying to get out of that no i don't think we

01:53:28.120 should control what other people wear no no just ask just ask just plant the seed like why are you

01:53:32.280 doing that i feel like that in itself is disrespectful to ask somebody why that's okay what they're wearing

01:53:37.960 so i mean it's okay unrelated to that is just as far as if someone's wearing revealing clothing

01:53:43.480 um i think you're totally free you should wear whatever you want um me personally i think my

01:53:50.120 preference and i think a lot of guys preferences i think we would prefer to as far as take taking a

01:53:56.680 woman seriously for a long-term relationship i think we would prefer a girl who dresses more modestly

01:54:01.720 like also me personally i don't go out i don't party i don't go to bars i don't go to clubs i rarely

01:54:07.720 drink not a big drinker so i'm not really out in those environments a whole bunch to begin with but

01:54:13.800 like for me if a girl was if she was even just going out friday saturday consistently every weekend

01:54:23.640 i'm probably that's not the type of girl that i'm going to take seriously for long-term relationship

01:54:27.800 i'm an outlier though like i've very rarely drink i i hate bars i hate clubs i don't like parties i'd

01:54:35.080 rather masturbate with sandpaper quite frankly than go to some thing with height with the grit you know the

01:54:43.000 grit strength very strong i just i just sorry i didn't mean to cut you off so i'm just going to

01:54:49.800 take me and hannah for example if hannah and i wore were to wear the exact same shirt not to call you

01:54:56.280 out hannah you have much bigger boobs than i and let's just say the shirt i look more modest in it

01:55:03.560 and hannah because she happens to have bigger boobs she's wearing the exact same shirt would you see

01:55:07.640 and answer honestly would you see her differently versus how you would view me at a party

01:55:13.720 if we're wearing the same exact shirt but this is directed towards me i don't think guys would

01:55:19.240 give a shit we don't care i don't even depend on this it would depend on the shirt out and mine are

01:55:24.600 like not for example wait wait it depends on the shirt you said you guys are both wearing the same

01:55:28.120 shirt but it's revealing your bodies differently yes would you see her as more trying to go out for

01:55:33.880 attention versus me being more modest even though we're wearing the exact same shirt exact same

01:55:39.800 outfit would you view us differently i mean i'll be honest i make judgments about like how there's

01:55:46.680 there's chicks that wear shirts where their tits are just like popping out and i'm like all right

01:55:51.080 you're trying to get some dick tonight and you know there's a lot of guys that are into that and

01:55:56.440 they're gonna see that and they're gonna try and smash and then there's gonna be dudes that are

01:55:59.400 turned off from it you know you're also asking guys that are in a different stage of their lives

01:56:04.040 than like college dudes like a lot of college dudes are gonna be all over that you know if i

01:56:08.440 see that i'm like yeah i'm good like i i personally i i want to be with a woman who doesn't share

01:56:13.800 everything that she has with the entire world you know like i want that to be special for me

01:56:18.120 you know so when you were when you were our age like when you were like 20 21 like a little bit

01:56:22.440 younger would you say that you like when you were in college would you say that you did look

01:56:28.120 you didn't look down upon that stuff when you were in college yeah when i mean when i was 18 like

01:56:34.360 i knew the girls that i wanted i didn't really care what they were wearing there were girls that

01:56:38.920 wore like on halloween for example very oh halloween oh yeah there were girls that were very slutty

01:56:44.360 costumes and like when i was 18 i didn't care right when i was like 21 22 i started to look at it

01:56:50.600 differently got it because at that point i'd had like a serious relationship and i knew like i'm

01:56:54.760 not just trying to hook up with chicks willy-nilly like i was when i was younger i want like a serious

01:57:00.360 girlfriend and i don't it comes with maturity yeah it comes with being more mature yeah when i was

01:57:05.160 younger i mean i had my couple nights out in ivy here and there and a couple here and there even you

01:57:12.200 know even though back then even when i was younger i was never into drinking not big into not super

01:57:16.920 into partying but i'd go out a bit and uh yeah i'd see a girl if she's just hot she was hot like

01:57:23.160 to me it's i it's not so much i'm like super judging them um again i think you should dress

01:57:29.160 however you want you're free to do it um just for me it's i mean it is a bit of a judgment call because

01:57:35.080 for a long-term relationship um and you know there's girls closer to my age i'm 33 that are you know

01:57:41.480 mid-20s late 20s uh early 30s they're still at the club friday saturday and to me i'm just i'm not

01:57:50.920 going to get i'm probably not going to take her seriously i if she's willing to stop if she's in

01:57:56.520 a relationship with me but i'm probably like if she's not going to stop then i'm there's no way if

01:58:02.440 it's predetermined on a friday or saturday night she's going to a bar or club that's a wrap for like

01:58:08.200 i'm not going to i'm not going to pursue that about that and it's part of that is just

01:58:14.840 it's also just i i don't go to bars and clubs so i'd want like a similarity there with my partner

01:58:20.520 i have a question with that um what i'm just interested because i think it's i think it's

01:58:24.760 cool and unique that you aren't like you know most of the other population that goes out to bars and

01:58:29.400 clubs what's your reasoning behind not um wanting to do those things there's a couple reasons a couple

01:58:33.800 reasons so it's a very good question it is i was like so and and this was even you know i went out

01:58:39.320 a bit when i was younger but i was never like friday saturday every night let's get tanked you

01:58:44.120 know when i did drink it would be one or two drinks max typically there's like maybe i can probably

01:58:50.680 less than five times i've been properly drunk properly proper drunk never blacked out or anything

01:58:56.040 like that um and you know so i've been to bars and clubs and parties and all that stuff but

01:59:00.520 the reason is is that well there's a few uh one i'm i'm more introverted and it's very there's

01:59:08.520 it's super hectic there's a lot of people it's very loud it can be so loud that you can get

01:59:13.480 permanent hearing loss when you go to one of these super loud uh nightclubs or bars they blast the

01:59:19.720 volume and i don't know if any of you have been in a scenario and loud party loud club you have ringing

01:59:25.400 in your ear for a little bit afterwards that can actually be permanent damage uh it's called tinnitus

01:59:30.520 so that's one of the reasons all right brian i'm never going out again never going out but

01:59:34.520 the other reason i mean there's people smoking people are super drunk the drinks are incredibly

01:59:39.000 expensive to me it's super loud you can't even have a conversation with someone so and i i don't

01:59:45.480 dance i don't dance any better than a kangaroo so never no i hate dancing i refuse to dance i will not

01:59:51.880 dance well i'm not getting married so i refuse to dance well let me just finish this but um let me see

01:59:57.080 the other reasons uh yeah drinking is just incredibly expensive and then there's just uh

02:00:02.680 the threat of violence uh at at bars and nightclubs which is a real it's it's a risk for women but it's

02:00:10.600 a much greater risk for men i'm sure you guys have seen people getting their fucking face smashed in

02:00:15.000 in isla vista um my first night ever out in isla vista i saw a guy get slashed in the face with a

02:00:22.200 knife yeah my friend i've seen some crazy are you serious i've seen some crazy was he okay uh no he

02:00:27.960 like had to go to the hospital oh my gosh yeah yeah there's there's some weird stuff around here

02:00:32.840 when people drink and a lot of these guys aren't getting any they're angry like people just get into

02:00:39.800 fights people are drunk so it's a safety thing i've seen people get stabbed on state street at the

02:00:44.440 bars i've seen a lot of shit and i've seen it firsthand so to me a lot of shit goes down and

02:00:49.800 like a lot of violence not fights like violence goes down so yo so we we have some people pissed

02:00:54.920 that we're not getting to the super chats yeah also my buddy guys we'll get to the super just

02:00:59.880 dropped a super chat i was wondering if we could get to that i i don't he's up at the top yeah well

02:01:06.600 let's try to get through it uh i don't even think um let's get let's get some super chats um going here

02:01:15.160 all right my buddy jordan said wait pull that back up pull that back up all right my buddy jordan said

02:01:22.280 chase is an absolute skill skill guy thank you brother you're a skill guy too takes a skill guy

02:01:27.160 to know a skill guy question for you all what do you think about looking through your significant

02:01:32.200 other's phone is it okay to do and how would you feel if they said no quick answers guys quick

02:01:38.040 answers um i don't think it's okay no i don't think it's okay and have you ever no i have but i

02:01:47.320 don't think it's okay i only did it once um i don't think it's okay unless you have like a really

02:01:55.400 really valid reason to do it but by really valid i don't mean like a suspicion i mean like like just

02:02:01.160 i don't know like you like caught them cheating and you want to see if it's been persisting

02:02:04.440 so i'm saying no it's not okay unless it's warranted i'm going to say no it's not okay

02:02:10.680 because in a relationship i'd want trust and you know both mutual so i agree but if there is

02:02:17.320 a warranted reason then that's valid i mean i have nothing to hide so yeah if there's a warranted

02:02:22.840 reason to um you probably shouldn't be in the first place like if it got if it got to the point where

02:02:27.880 like hey i need to look through this person's phone it's probably over and you probably already

02:02:31.560 know what you need to know exactly yeah i i i disagree with doing it but like you guys said if

02:02:37.880 if you catch your significant other doing some shit and you have like hard evidence that they're

02:02:42.120 doing something it's worth it's worth looking into but like there's a lot of neurotic people

02:02:47.880 out there who are like let me look through your phone and like i think that's like just awful and

02:02:51.400 like terrible i'm gonna answer this really quick because i have an interesting one on this eric

02:02:56.360 can you just stand up really quick and just hit the autofocus button on this camera

02:03:04.120 hold it for like a second do you know which button it is

02:03:08.360 zavi firing shots dude zavi said my man in the gray wants to leave the household because he's

02:03:14.040 insecure in his manhood oh it's a circle button wait did did you get it maybe i shouldn't have done

02:03:20.520 that i want to lead my household because we're in a spiritual war are you pressing the right one okay

02:03:26.360 that's fine we're in a spiritual war and eve was the one that ate of the apple first all right so

02:03:33.000 to answer the question i actually had an experience the first time i hung out with the girl

02:03:39.640 she looked through my phone nice the first time she came she came well i met her out and then she came

02:03:48.040 over to my place hooked up and then she looked through my phone and i i went to the bathroom you know

02:03:55.000 she so that's when she looked at it i came back and she was pissed because she saw the

02:03:59.400 shit that was on the phone um and uh and then i kicked her out because i was like the

02:04:04.920 fuck damn and then i dated her for five years okay so don't do that guys oh wow

02:04:09.960 was that a joke i'm dead serious i'm dead serious can you just really quickly the logic behind the

02:04:15.400 dating for five years after her checking your phone well i just really kicked her out and then she

02:04:19.640 apologized and i was like it was a very sincere apology how sincere can you be and then she did

02:04:28.360 that shit like probably a dozen more times i broke up with her a dozen more times this is not the you

02:04:33.160 the norm for me but it was an on again off again she was that hot she was hot out she was hot huh

02:04:38.520 she was she must have been bombed and she had bpd and oh well uh borderline personality disorder so

02:04:47.560 she was crazy and hot and that's all i'm gonna say okay next super chat

02:04:53.880 my don't by the way guys don't date women with bpd um i wasn't planning on it we need mr organic to

02:05:00.760 roast the girl in the brown cammy about what she brings to the table pull up the clip brian um

02:05:07.880 i don't you know what mike davis we don't have the clip i'm sorry sorry buddy uh okay oh well fine

02:05:14.600 we'll do this one by the way just remember 20 and up guys but what i know this this came in dude this

02:05:19.800 came in when it was ten guys but genuinely no blonde in the green on seeking arrangements have you ever

02:05:25.480 been on seeking arrangements i have never been you know what is it possible for someone to take your

02:05:30.280 picture and put it on there because that has happened to me multiple times like instagram accounts

02:05:35.720 instagram accounts have been made of me where it's it's not me obviously but my instagram posts

02:05:40.760 are all on this like instagram and it's like it's like follow me like only fans like whatever and i'm

02:05:46.440 like what i'm like what in the world so i might be on there but it wasn't for me it could be

02:05:51.480 that's kind of uh mike mike davis with the five dollar soup chat take shot every time pink checkered

02:05:57.000 girl says like rip roasted that's a good one that was a good one we got uh shaheen kohini with the

02:06:06.520 five dollar soup chat uh white shirt sorry don't name maybe you'd like to sacrifice five years of your

02:06:11.080 career if you want kids okay um oh we gotta get through these my man in the gray wants to leave the

02:06:16.200 household because he's insecure in his manhood uh edward scornfield ten dollar soup chat outside of

02:06:22.760 indoctrination how do these women rationalize their sexual preference relating to tall men

02:06:30.040 uh i feel like i feel like there's a lot of frustration coming from edward scornfield

02:06:35.320 i feel like he's projecting some of that frustration be nice be nice though because he's

02:06:40.120 he's our patron that's a good dude he's funding the podcast yeah edward dude we really appreciate

02:06:45.240 the questions but like i don't feel like women have to rationalize their sexual preference relating

02:06:50.520 to tall men like i don't know i mean he did ask do you guys want to ask answer that question so i guess

02:06:56.600 is the question why are you attracted yeah why are you attracted to tall men you can't control what

02:07:00.760 you're attracted to in the same way that men are attracted to women with a low body count but okay

02:07:06.920 why do you like you can't control it's not the same thing well i think one of them stems from like

02:07:13.080 a fundamental thing and then the other one's just like biology wait wait i think which one which one

02:07:18.200 is which yes i don't agree i think one is a social construct and the other is a physical trait height

02:07:23.960 is so so one of one of the points it's not a social construct it's not this is something this is

02:07:32.680 something okay i understand your point this is something that has been valued throughout all of

02:07:37.000 human history in almost every culture that's ever existed and the reason why andrew tate has made

02:07:43.080 this point and i think it's a very valid point wait one second hold on hold on hold on hold on it's a

02:07:48.680 very valid point okay one of the reasons why virgins have been prized throughout human history

02:07:55.720 oh let's not hold on hold on one of the reasons let's go into it one of the reasons

02:08:00.040 no no no no no no bad time wait don't please i want to hear what i want to hear what you have

02:08:06.200 wait virgins what why why are you guys so triggered by this should we play the video

02:08:13.400 wait one of the reasons why is because if you have a woman who's a whore and she's sleeping with

02:08:19.720 hundreds of dudes relax it's okay yes yeah we can yes you yes we can because there's a lot of women

02:08:27.400 out there who are and there's even more men out there that are even bigger whores right well there

02:08:32.440 are wrong but horse is a derogatory term in my opinion that's one that should be used but there

02:08:37.720 are hold on there are literally whores like women who identify themselves as whores no women who

02:08:45.720 prostitute prostitute yeah so how would you define whore okay well there's a hoe chicks chicks that are

02:08:51.640 ran through chicks that have slept with 50 100 150 so what would different so what would the number

02:08:57.000 be though because like you know like if a girl has slept with 20 guys right would she be a whore

02:09:01.080 it's gonna be different for every guy it's gonna be different for every guy if she did it within

02:09:05.400 a month of losing her virginity yes that's a lot that's that's basically one per day you just said

02:09:11.720 it's a lot you just said it's a lot right it's a fact i mean so you in my personal standards yes but

02:09:18.520 maybe in other people's standards it might not be 20 people i mean most most most dudes are going to

02:09:24.680 look at a woman who slept with 20 guys in a month and they're gonna think that she's a whore probably

02:09:28.840 99 of dudes yeah would not date a woman the original point though about why virgins with virginity was

02:09:34.920 something that was important throughout human history is because if you if you have a woman that's sleeping

02:09:39.080 with a bunch of dudes let's say you get her pregnant right you're not going to know who got her

02:09:44.120 pregnant she might say that you got her pregnant and she and and it might have been another guy that

02:09:48.200 got her pregnant and this is why chastity is something that's been so prized throughout human

02:09:52.200 history and before before there were dna tests there was no way to tell who the father was of a child

02:09:57.800 okay and so this is why it's it's is it a social construct yes but it's evolutionary is it a social

02:10:04.520 construct that has extreme value absolutely i have to disagree with you on this one i think that if

02:10:10.840 you're going to bring up virginity and that whole thing in history i think that it stems from it

02:10:15.400 stems from the patriarch and men the patriarchy okay hold on now you have to tell us what the

02:10:24.440 you have to now articulate by men for men articulate what the patriarchy is a society built by men for

02:10:31.880 men and do you believe that's why it was fine for a man not to be a virgin sure you can say pregnancy

02:10:37.480 whatever but nobody cared about a man's chastity nobody cares about it now well actually that's

02:10:42.040 absolutely that's absolutely not true for christianity for the past two thousand years people have

02:10:47.240 absolutely cared about male chastity it's it's been less it's been less highly well i have a question

02:10:52.440 western civilization for the past two thousand years has been a christian civilization and in in

02:10:57.080 cultures that have been christian they absolutely value male chastity now that's not the norm that

02:11:01.560 hasn't been the norm but it's not fair to say nobody cares about chase let me just have a uh i want to have

02:11:06.760 a little back and forth here on the patriarchy okay so let's do this you said that the patriarchy

02:11:12.680 is just repeat it again what is the patriarchy a society built by men for men and historically that's

02:11:19.880 you're asserting that that was something that historically existed or persists till today i think

02:11:25.000 that there are definitely still undertones of it in society today because it existed so it's a society

02:11:30.200 built by men for men so

02:11:35.640 how what do you mean how it's articulate how

02:11:44.840 the founding fathers of america why why hasn't there been a society built by women people have

02:11:49.880 thought that women are too emotional to take charge like people have always said that a woman can't be

02:11:54.600 president because she's too emotional that has been like that that was what people thought you can read

02:11:59.800 things about it you can look at historical documents but what what does their gender have to do with

02:12:06.200 it it's the attitudes that have been reflected onto women for years so do you disagree with the idea

02:12:14.200 that on average women tend to be more emotional than men do yes yes i've dealt with some men that act

02:12:20.520 like toddlers some men okay some boys majority yes okay but you can say can you give us are you

02:12:27.880 saying that you think women are on average more emotional absolutely in in my experience yeah

02:12:32.200 they're definitely more emotional there's no question about it there's no question about the

02:12:35.640 most emotional i'm not gonna i have no comment on that the most the most the most i i grew up

02:12:42.760 with a mother and a grandmother who were extremely emotional people let me let me have a back and

02:12:47.800 forth though on patriarchy all right um so you've you've asserted that the patriarchy exists to this

02:12:54.200 day i need you to give me a few reasons how or why are you disagreeing that there's a patriarchy i do

02:13:04.920 but i'm you disagree with that there's a hundred you have to define it absolutely okay hannah hannah

02:13:09.880 a society built by men for men okay you've defined no no hold on okay but our society let me hold on

02:13:15.640 you've defined it you've defined it but you have not provided evidence for its existence i'm i'm

02:13:24.120 opening it up to you please um well recently i know you two are probably going to have an opinion

02:13:29.160 about this roe v wade was overturned that actually created an equality between men and women how because

02:13:35.720 men aren't the ones being punished like a men can okay do you realize that men have zero reproductive

02:13:41.000 rights okay yeah but men also can impregnate as many women as they want whereas women women can only

02:13:47.400 get pregnant once in nine months men can impregnate thousands of women in nine months and they're not

02:13:51.960 the ones that are being punished and they're not the ones that are stuck to being carried with the

02:13:55.640 baby i mean men are if a man doesn't want a child he can certainly be punished what do you mean by that

02:14:02.120 child support if a man a man does not have a choice in either scenario if a woman wants to keep

02:14:09.320 it and he wants to get rid of it he doesn't have a choice if she wants what is the and the inverse

02:14:14.600 is true too i think i think we should rewind for a second you just used roe v wade as an example of

02:14:20.520 the patriarchy yes i know more women that support the overturning of roe v wade than i know men

02:14:27.720 that's probably because that's also because of your background you're right it is but this isn't

02:14:32.200 just a symbol of the patriarchy this is the overturning of roe v wade this isn't just a

02:14:36.680 male-dominated thing okay amy coney barrett also voted to overturn it okay that's a good point that's

02:14:42.680 a good point that is she is she the patriarchy okay but here's the thing is that you cannot tell

02:14:48.920 somebody what they have to do with their body you can't tell me that i need to go have a kid right

02:14:54.520 now if i get pregnant like you cannot tell me what to do with my body medically i don't agree

02:14:59.560 with that i simply don't okay and and i don't this is gonna get heated i don't think that a woman has

02:15:04.920 the right to murder the child that she chose to create through sex okay maybe we shouldn't be

02:15:09.640 talking about this maybe no no no what if she was raped because she had no choice in that that's a good

02:15:15.000 question that's less than the patriarchy hold on hold on everybody this is this is an important

02:15:19.720 question that's a really important question okay that is less than one percent of abortions 95 of

02:15:27.000 abortions are abortions of convenience and what that means is women had consensual sex and they

02:15:33.320 decided after the fact that they just didn't want to keep the child okay that's different from rape

02:15:38.840 and in cases like that this isn't somebody forcing a woman to have a child this is literally what it is

02:15:45.480 no sex has consequences and when you have sex you are risking the possibility of conceiving a child

02:15:51.480 are you not i agree with that but i feel like you cannot force somebody to do something with i that

02:15:58.200 that is the main point of this you cannot force somebody to do something with their body that they

02:16:02.680 do not want to do okay i don't know how much we want to talk about the abortion issue just because

02:16:08.920 it's very uh i think it's a fruitful discussion i think this is an important discussion i think it

02:16:15.080 is i think it is important extremely um um i i'll just give my take i don't want to give my take

02:16:22.120 on abortion you want to hear your take brian so as it okay it's a kind of nuanced take though it's going

02:16:29.800 to take me at least two minutes to explain it we would love to hear it okay so

02:16:33.000 i the arguments of pro people who are pro-life are not so easily dismissed however uh i would say

02:16:46.680 that i'm i'm probably going to lose some viewers whatever i say um i would say i'm pro pro-choice

02:16:55.000 but i would say that just abortion is clearly wrong it's clearly wrong but not everything that is wrong

02:17:04.200 should be illegal so and this is kind of where i get into crazy territory um i think that

02:17:14.920 we should be and this is i think maybe me running the center too much we need to develop an artificial

02:17:22.200 womb that way both sides can be happy if a woman wants to get an artificial womb so y'all can if you

02:17:30.360 want an abortion you can get it but the baby can survive that is the compromise i think is fair and i

02:17:35.880 also think we should have honestly i think we should have free birth control i think we should have robust

02:17:40.600 sexual education and i think people should stop fucking around so much i have a question you need to

02:17:48.040 take accountability for their actions straight up right there take accountability amen for actions

02:17:53.960 also i guess in a way i would say i'm pro-choice because like look you guys want to kill your blood

02:17:58.440 line off and totally like knock off any of your um you know any personal responsibility

02:18:05.400 fucking go for it but it's wrong like there's no way that you can morally say like if you were to let

02:18:11.000 that kid grow up like in your womb it's gonna pop out and in 18 years 19 years 20 years it'd be sitting

02:18:16.840 across the table just like we are it's wrong if you guys want to go do that that's your prerogative

02:18:22.280 but there's no getting away from it that's wrong that's a human being and that people should take

02:18:26.360 responsibility for their actions i have a question i think that you also respect people's choice i think

02:18:35.160 that it's wrong but people can make i want to i want to just run the center a little bit here um

02:18:41.400 i think i what i don't like to i know i know you want to come in here chase uh i don't like to see

02:18:47.240 either side straw manning the other side um i think the pro-choice side makes a bodily autonomy

02:18:55.160 argument and then the pro-life side the the thing that you have to the thing that you're going to the

02:19:01.480 argument that you're going to have to make to convince pro-lifers to be pro-choice is you're

02:19:07.400 going to have to convince them that upon conception that's not a life you're going to have to because

02:19:12.360 they yeah they genuinely think that it is a life at conception they think that that's a a life worth

02:19:23.080 protecting and they believe it's murder so you're going to have to convince them that it's not murder

02:19:27.240 that's the challenge you're up against it's not about controlling women's bodies it's not

02:19:31.320 even a religious thing because there's many atheists who are pro pro-life so i'm just trying to run

02:19:36.600 center here that is what you're up against when you're talking to someone who's pro-life these

02:19:41.480 guys can make arguments that aren't based in religion okay um sorry sorry go ahead i also have

02:19:47.160 something i want to say to you you can go first but i just want to make it known i have something i

02:19:51.800 need to say about this please go ahead it's just frustrating that you keep on interrupting people

02:19:56.120 but um i've been i've been interrupted like 20 times in this conversation it's a conversation

02:20:01.800 it's fine go ahead go anyways i was gonna say like i do think like whatever like i think that

02:20:06.920 it could be argued that it's a life like technically it's zygotes and like i don't know like when you

02:20:11.000 masturbate you're killing babies no it's a bit different it is a bit very different it's like

02:20:17.640 they don't they're not like sentient yet like i don't know it argues like that's not that's not the

02:20:22.040 argument but basically i'm just trying to say like i i respect people's religions but i don't

02:20:26.680 think that like religious people just because they have a religion i don't think that gives them the

02:20:31.640 right to like tell people to like make rules based on this religion like it's not uniform you know

02:20:38.040 you're right you're right and and i completely agree with that as a christian okay and a big part

02:20:45.000 of this discussion for me isn't like pushing my christian beliefs on the rest of society obviously

02:20:49.640 there's a motivation there as a christian because of what i believe and what brian was saying about

02:20:53.480 life at conception part of this though is about the physical pain that's caused to unborn children

02:21:01.480 in second and third trimester abortions i agree that i don't think that abortions should yeah okay okay

02:21:08.040 also account for a very low percentage of abortions you're right you're right it's the same argument that

02:21:13.560 you made when you were like 95 or not rape cases that's you can apply that to this as well so i don't

02:21:19.320 think that that's an argument we should discuss wrong because you said you don't have the right

02:21:23.560 to tell people what what to do with their bodies and there's a lot of people in this country who

02:21:27.640 believe i should be able to have abortions all the way up until you know the day of of uh delivering

02:21:33.160 the child okay i don't think so people most of the reason that you know this is there's they don't

02:21:38.280 want to go through there's there's laws being passed in the country to legalize this this has already

02:21:42.680 been legalized in different states okay and so for me part of this discussion i i use that example of

02:21:48.520 late-term abortions because part of this discussion is you're saying women say it's my body it's my

02:21:53.640 choice you have no you have no right to tell me what to do with my body

02:22:01.800 women say it's my body my choice you have you have no right to say what women do with their body

02:22:06.600 right okay i also don't think anybody has the right to harm an unborn child to murder it to do anything

02:22:15.960 like that and that child that being doesn't have a say in this conversation and this country

02:22:21.480 specifically was founded to secure life liberty and the pursuit of happiness for every american

02:22:26.760 but we're not we're not doing that for americans in the womb everybody's just saying that they're not

02:22:31.240 people people were pressuring my mom to have her abort me because she conceived me out of wedlock and and

02:22:37.960 i wasn't going to have a dad in my life they pressured my mom to abort me i never had a say in the

02:22:42.840 conversation thankfully she kept me but if she had aborted me i wouldn't be here and i you know i'm i'm

02:22:49.000 a person right like who's speaking up for these unborn kids nobody everybody you guys just look at

02:22:55.640 them like they're not even people a lot of people are because roby way just got overturned so i think

02:22:59.800 a lot of people are speaking yes yes we all are but you guys think that that you guys just have the

02:23:05.000 right to do whatever you want to these unborn people and i i think that's wrong i feel like i have

02:23:09.320 the right to do anything i want to my body but do you have the right to do anything you want to

02:23:13.320 another person's body i don't believe it's another person's body if it's living inside me why because

02:23:19.400 it's inside i i think it's kind of like a parasite it's literally growing off of me what about you

02:23:25.080 taking responsibility for like what you did yes you chose to create a human being it's not a parasite

02:23:34.520 it's a human being okay wait i i would like to ask you a question chase just out of curiosity

02:23:39.720 so you mentioned and you shared and thank you for sharing but like you were your mother was pressured

02:23:46.280 to get an abortion correct and you were happy and you grew up happy from what i've seen or just what

02:23:51.480 you told me um what about the millions of kids who are born and have no family um thrown into the system

02:24:06.600 uh grown up in dangerous situations do you think that just out of curiosity i'm not saying like whether

02:24:14.520 i agree or disagree but like do you think that they should still be brought into this world if they're

02:24:20.200 put in dangerous situations it's a good question it's a it's a complex question obviously

02:24:29.960 what i know is that there's a lot of people in america who want to adopt kids

02:24:34.200 and it's often very difficult and very expensive to adopt kids because of i don't know whatever

02:24:39.000 fucked up system we have created here what would be most ideal would be for those kids to be able to

02:24:45.800 be easily adopted by families that love them that want to put them in a good situation

02:24:49.720 and i i don't think this is a point that a lot of my christian friends make i don't think two

02:24:54.200 wrongs may make a right like there's a lot of kids that are born into quote unquote dangerous

02:24:59.720 situations who end up flourishing in life and they live very healthy successful lives against all the

02:25:05.160 odds you know what i'm saying and to just like discount all those kids and say oh there's no way that

02:25:10.440 they could live a healthy happy life like i i think that's wrong um and i i think that

02:25:15.800 i think that that yeah we should make it easier to to adopt kids because there's a lot of kids in

02:25:21.480 this country who you know are born into shitty situations that could probably have better

02:25:25.640 situations and there's barriers to it you know so do you support putting funding into programs that

02:25:33.960 would make the system better and make it more safe like supporting absolutely we spend we spend

02:25:41.480 hundreds of billions of dollars a year on the dumbest most useless we've spent we've sent ukraine

02:25:47.480 like what 60 billion dollars north of that we've sent another country so much money when we have

02:25:53.480 kids here in america who are starving who are below the poverty line who aren't in good situations i think

02:25:59.080 that we we have there's so much money to go around we printed trillions and trillions of dollars

02:26:04.200 over the past couple of years if we're talking about where to put our money in america

02:26:08.040 i think if we're going to build a pro-life country like we should be looking at the kids who need it

02:26:11.800 most yeah americans should eat first and we should take care of especially our younger generation how

02:26:17.960 do you pronounce that dude's name by the way what what shaheen kohini guys we've been talking about

02:26:24.440 the abortion thing for about 10 minutes not that so we should probably move move on please but i do

02:26:28.760 appreciate the debate it was good thank you i think i think we should all be able to you know have a

02:26:34.600 conversation about these difficult topics and uh yeah okay um so i do want to bring it back to what

02:26:42.360 got us there though which is the patriarchy so can you give me some other can you give me some other

02:26:51.640 examples other examples of how we live in a patriarchy today what's the statistic i don't know what the

02:26:58.200 statistic is isn't there a statistic well i think that okay i think what she's trying to say with

02:27:02.680 the patriarchy um i've taken a lot of like history classes and just sociology classes that kind of

02:27:09.640 thing so i've actually learned a lot about it ah okay i wasn't trying to show up there um

02:27:15.960 i think that our society since god knows who how long ago it has been a male-ran society i mean there's

02:27:24.280 been there's been so many instances i mean think about it like the whole stereotype of women stays

02:27:28.920 at home man like works like blah blah blah you know men go to war women stay and kind of take care of

02:27:34.520 the kids in my opinion that's patriarchy because that's kind of giving the like the men like this

02:27:40.840 like higher role and like higher position in society and i think that as um as society's progressing

02:27:47.640 it's becoming more progressive and women are um kind of you know the whole feminist movement that kind

02:27:52.200 of thing but i think you can't deny that throughout history women have been oppressed

02:27:58.200 you could also kind of go i i would say i don't think we should gender it though i think throughout

02:28:04.920 history men and women have been oppressed there's it's really the apex fallacy the patriarchy theory is

02:28:11.480 the apex fallacy you have a very very small proportion of people at the very top which oppress everyone

02:28:18.280 both men and women but you don't think that there's so are you just to make your point i reject

02:28:24.920 i reject this idea of the patriarchy theory theory do you support the idea of do you support the idea

02:28:31.240 of um women have been oppressed in society i think both men and women have been oppressed and i can

02:28:39.160 actually this is going to be the hot take here i can actually no hold on i can actually make an argument

02:28:45.480 that men have been more oppressed please make your argument right now please state your case brian

02:28:52.760 interesting let me ask you a question throughout just hear him out just let me no let me ask you a

02:28:57.800 question you are right now so throughout all human history and i think that you know what this one

02:29:04.120 probably squashes any grievance that i think uh women could could conceivably come up with um throughout

02:29:13.880 all human history what percentage would you say of military casualties if you had to break it up

02:29:20.680 between the genders what is the percentage breakdown of military casualties well obviously injuries obviously

02:29:27.400 a significantly more amount of men 99.99 but that's also because that's also because in the past

02:29:33.480 women have not been allowed to that's a privilege in the military do you think do you think if women

02:29:41.560 had been allowed hold on guys do you think if women had been allowed to join the military they would be

02:29:45.240 signing up in droves to get put through the meat grinder of war well it's also men literally like

02:29:49.880 want to be in it like so many men someone one of my guy friends told me actually that like all men

02:29:56.120 at some point in their lives like fantasize about being in the military you're right a lot of men

02:30:00.520 do a lot of men do are attracted to war however this hasn't been a consensual thing throughout human

02:30:06.120 history throughout human history you've had so many emperors and kings that literally just

02:30:10.440 they will send soldiers to your house they say all right tanner even in ukraine right now going

02:30:14.840 on ukraine right now people are getting forced to fight in this war men weren't allowed to leave

02:30:19.000 the country in ukraine you realize this women were allowed to leave the country men were not

02:30:23.000 allowed to leave the country in ukraine because they were forced to go to the front lines

02:30:27.480 right into the meat grinder of war they were forced to die this is not something that's happened to

02:30:32.120 women throughout human history but women haven't given the opportunity to i mean nobody i mean you can

02:30:36.360 make the argument that how many women would right like that's a good argument but then you could also

02:30:40.440 say women were not allowed to enlist all right so world war three starts tomorrow how many of you are

02:30:45.480 enlisting enlisting willingly yep probably wouldn't but if they told me i had to go i'd go suck it up

02:30:51.640 my family you wouldn't you wouldn't have a choice yeah you wouldn't have a choice her her point is

02:30:56.440 that women haven't had the option so that's why it was all well it's also i actually come from a

02:31:00.360 military family like my whole life um and um sorry i lost my train of thought that's okay that's all right

02:31:10.680 my my point was just simply that you guys are right almost all societies throughout history have

02:31:16.840 been male dominated but a very small percentage by a very tiny percentage of men at the top

02:31:22.520 who brutally oppress the majority of the men below them throughout society as well and yes women have

02:31:28.520 gotten the raw raw end of the stick too but like dudes have had it bad as well for a long time and

02:31:34.040 we've had more rights in terms of property and speech and stuff like that and voting but it's been

02:31:39.240 pretty bad for dudes for those are big deals like those are legal issues that women didn't have rights to

02:31:44.520 and now we're taking women couldn't vote remember that i do yeah i was alive back what do you think

02:31:50.280 about that wait about what do you think that women do you if you lived back then right would you support

02:31:57.320 women not voting do you think that that's right and just do you think that that's a decision for the

02:32:01.640 men to make that women are not competent enough to vote because that's that's what it was so actually um

02:32:08.840 um eric can you pull up there's a uh infographic eric there's an infographic yes i know women can vote

02:32:16.360 now i'm talking about like however many years in history it's an important question chris go into

02:32:21.080 the infographics uh brian wants to move on to something else but it's important no no it's related to

02:32:26.440 the the voting thing so i mean what's your question should women not have been allowed to

02:32:32.840 no she's asking if we think we should repeal the 19th that's what she's asking no no no i'm kidding

02:32:39.240 i'm kidding no no wait uh okay go to uh go into podcast go into uh infographics

02:32:50.280 okay and then you're gonna see uh one voting it's the first one pull that over

02:32:57.880 okay and then f11 did you say why did we bring up ukraine okay go window mode for us oh bring

02:33:04.760 back obs so we can see sorry guys one sec we're pulling up an infographic here on voting

02:33:14.120 is this an accurate infographic coming from a accurate source i'm not sure if it's been

02:33:19.080 fact-checked by bill gates's fact checkers so okay so this is so f11 eric okay so

02:33:27.080 um yeah there you go so a percentage of population age 21 or over eligible to vote this is in the uk

02:33:36.120 so but i mean it what okay so this is like pretty you know i'd say amongst western countries this is

02:33:44.680 pretty much the case so you'll know this before like the mid 1800s it was pretty much a very small

02:33:54.360 proportion of men had to vote the i this concept of voting is an incredibly new concept before that it

02:34:02.360 was just tyrants you had kings queens they're the ones who had power a very very small amount of

02:34:08.920 people had power yes there is a bit of a discrepancy there from about the 1800s to the early 1900s

02:34:15.160 but there's there is actually a reason for that one of the reasons is because and uh i think i think

02:34:22.120 we've seen it so if you want to just go ahead and bring it back eric one of the reasons for oh uh

02:34:26.120 you need to go f11 in this uh stream yard window eric thank you um one of the discrepancies or one of

02:34:34.200 the reasons for that is because men were the only ones that were subject to military conscription

02:34:40.600 so the the way that men got the right to vote before women is we had to go

02:34:45.880 in the trenches and die and we had to say we got the right to vote and elect a representative who

02:34:55.400 would make be potentially making the decision if we went to war women even to this day in 2022

02:35:02.760 they're they're not required to uh you have to register as a man you have to register with a

02:35:08.280 selective service to this day we are still subject in 2022 to the to the military draft

02:35:15.320 so that's the big thing that's one of the reasons why we got the vote before y'all because we had to

02:35:20.600 fucking go and potentially die for our country women were able to secure the vote without the

02:35:26.200 corresponding responsibilities and duties so you actually got when it comes to voting you guys

02:35:32.680 actually have an advantage over men it was never about equality you got preferential treatment in

02:35:39.000 actuality because you none of you are subject to the draft even today but what if someone there are

02:35:44.440 men there are men alive today subject to the draft there are men alive today that were subject to the

02:35:49.160 draft they went to the vietnam war they're well they're alive today so some of them came back they

02:35:54.520 have probably serious psychological issues a lot of them are homeless a lot of them just didn't come

02:36:00.360 back and they're dead now there hasn't been a draft in a long time but we're still subject to it and

02:36:05.560 the way the world's going it's certainly plausible that we could see i mean we see what happened in

02:36:10.520 ukraine do you think that there's a world war three brewing i don't i don't absolutely i don't know but

02:36:16.680 it's even even if even if war isn't likely men are if we don't register with a selective service

02:36:26.200 we we can potentially face criminal prosecution do you think that there's going to be a draft do you

02:36:31.560 think that there's a possible um draft that could be i mean i'm just asking out of pure curiosity

02:36:38.440 the military can't find enough able-bodied people right now because it's it's still volunteer service

02:36:43.320 right now and they're struggling to hit their numbers my dad always says this but i i asked him

02:36:47.880 this question the other day i said is it possible to um is it possible for there to be another draft and

02:36:52.280 he told me he doesn't think so just because of like the you know the new way of fighting is just kind

02:36:57.400 of like it's very technology based i mean i might be wrong but gen 5 warfare right and so wouldn't

02:37:03.560 that require less troops because it's there's still gonna be a draft i mean you still need troops for a

02:37:09.080 lot of stuff like if you're going in you can do a lot of warfare using automated vehicles or robots

02:37:15.880 or whatever it is but if you're going into another country like you're gonna need boots on the ground

02:37:20.360 now it's just me not knowing anything so this is appreciative of the information yeah no and i i

02:37:25.480 personally think world war three is brewing there's a lot of stuff brewing in the world right now

02:37:30.600 are you scared no i have faith in god valid answer okay i mean if you want to talk about

02:37:37.240 systemic oppression to this day men are systemically oppressed by the selective service i know you're

02:37:43.880 smiling but the fact of the matter is a really important point if there was a war we would be

02:37:48.440 drafted and you guys would be exempt and you you are exempt from having to register with the

02:37:53.000 selective can i have another example other than the draft no another systemic we're more likely to

02:37:59.160 be victims of police killings and police shootings and police brutality we're more likely to be

02:38:03.160 incarcerated we're more likely to delete ourselves we're less likely to get sponsorships for college

02:38:08.040 we're less likely to go to go to college more likely to be homeless that's a few um okay can i

02:38:13.080 say something really quick sure um a lot of those things like i'm not saying they're not struggles

02:38:18.760 because they are i'm just saying that like a lot of those struggles are because like

02:38:23.240 people in power just take men more seriously and i think that like women's problems more seriously

02:38:28.920 we're we are the disposable sex yes men are the disposable sex women are valued men

02:38:34.760 go to war get killed be a war course yep but labor for us they like it's like it's no secret that men

02:38:41.720 are just like physically more like capable than women well that's that's part of it these lights are on

02:38:46.040 that's part different discussion that's part of it that's part of it but the other thing don't get

02:38:51.000 it you're looking at this hold on guys you're looking at this through the lens of oppression

02:38:54.760 okay you're looking at this like okay men throughout history haven't taken women seriously enough to put

02:38:59.000 them on the battlefield right well the other side of the coin is that women have been highly valued

02:39:05.320 throughout history for their ability to bear children and and everything else that you guys can

02:39:09.560 do that men can't do you you guys are very highly valued for that that's why today we're still the

02:39:14.440 dudes that get tossed into the meat grinder and you guys are protected from the fray okay

02:39:20.760 child-bearing women have been extremely valuable throughout almost all of human history because

02:39:25.560 without you guys the the race the culture the civilization the tribe can't go on we're expendable

02:39:31.320 yeah but that's the thing it's like people only value women because of their fertility

02:39:35.160 like they don't value their intellect they don't it's it's it's not that you're just valued for

02:39:39.720 your fertility what do you value men for it's not that you're just valued for your fertility

02:39:44.200 that's an incredible thing to be valued for like you guys have something that men don't

02:39:49.000 well it would be nice to walk into a classroom and have like all the guys actually listen to me

02:39:53.800 for once because personally i don't know about you guys but every time i've tried to say something

02:39:57.800 in class where it's predominantly male mostly in like my science classes especially stem very much

02:40:02.840 you get talked over people don't look at you the same they don't take you seriously they don't and

02:40:07.960 as a man you'll never understand that people don't take i'm sorry to hear that no yeah that's

02:40:13.320 that's unfortunate really like super understand um but i can i can guarantee you a lot of women feel

02:40:19.160 that same exact way but once you graduate once you graduate and you have a what what are you studying

02:40:26.360 um psych and brain science psych and brain science i mean there's actually affirmative action for

02:40:31.800 women in stem in stem programs in the education system and also for hiring if you're if you're a

02:40:37.720 computer scientist software engineer and you're a woman you're getting a job i think that's great

02:40:44.120 that's a huge advantage still not the attitude that is given to women even though they do like i

02:40:49.400 do agree affirmative action does help and whatever that it's still the attitudes like that's what i said

02:40:54.600 when i said there's still undertones of it in our society i still feel like women are disrespected

02:41:00.520 by men and looked down upon from my personal experience and from what i've witnessed people

02:41:05.240 look down on all sorts of people it's not just women that are looked down upon like low value

02:41:09.880 it's a widespread for low value yeah you're right but low value dudes for example i bet there's a

02:41:14.840 million dudes that you guys have met and they felt like you guys never gave them the time of day and

02:41:18.680 they'd probably have a complaint about that you know like it's just part of life you know for instance

02:41:22.600 think about like a a plumber right like what i was saying about the lights and i didn't get that

02:41:27.000 like think the last like woman who is an electrician that you guys met who is a plumber who keeps

02:41:33.720 society rolling in a lot of the just like municipal stuff that we have going on like within our society

02:41:39.800 it's all men that are making like sixty thousand dollars a year they're working like these blue collar

02:41:45.320 jobs um waiting through just the hard telephone poles jobs the worst stuff you like it's not that bad

02:41:51.640 here like you know for instance there was like a huge windstorm here a couple months ago there's

02:41:54.840 like linemen right outside my you know like door working on power lines and whatnot i guess it's

02:41:59.240 not like that's not too bad but you think about like hey if it's negative 40 out and there's a dude in

02:42:03.720 montana and like that the heat goes out there's a dude getting up at three o'clock in the morning and

02:42:08.200 below 40 negative below zero who's climbing up that pole who's like getting power back on so that people

02:42:13.880 have heat and whatnot and that's pretty shitty and he's also doing that for like fifty sixty thousand dollars a

02:42:20.040 year and i'm sure that's not i don't i don't know i literally do not know a single woman that wants

02:42:25.480 a job like that and that stuff is just left to the men and it's kind of a raw deal you know why don't

02:42:31.720 why don't chicks want those jobs i want to add a little bit to this i don't think we're trying to

02:42:36.280 say that men don't have struggles but i think the problem is that women also have struggles and those

02:42:41.880 struggles need to be taken as seriously as men's struggles well and like yeah of course it just sucks that

02:42:49.000 like well actually as women our struggles aren't taken as seriously and a lot has changed but like

02:42:54.600 it's still not completely equal i mean actually i think women's struggles are taken far more seriously

02:43:01.320 than men's struggles there's almost no discussion about the struggles that men face what do you guys

02:43:06.120 think about feminism like in your guys's opinion what what is feminism why don't you tell us what you

02:43:11.720 think that is a great first great counter um i would say a feminist would be the kind of new

02:43:18.600 generational woman the the kind of feminist movement that you're seeing now because there's

02:43:22.200 been a lot of feminist movements in history um i would say the new feminist movement now i mean

02:43:27.640 obviously there's extremities of it but you know women that are pro-life for example women that think

02:43:34.520 that you know whatever wage gap is going on needs to be evened out women just that kind of thing so what

02:43:40.360 what what are your guys's opinions on that on modernized like feminism should you should i go

02:43:47.080 first yeah go for it go for it so my my sense of what feminism is and i you always hear different

02:43:55.160 definitions and it seems to always shift um feminism is a oh tanner okay he's just going to the bathroom

02:44:06.520 so feminism is a women's advocacy movement it's not an equality movement uh feminism has always been

02:44:14.200 about women's advocacy um they'll fight for equality only where that equality would stand to benefit women

02:44:26.280 if no benefit can be reaped feminists will not fight for it that's my sense of feminism

02:44:32.360 it's basically trying to secure preferential treatment okay yeah okay i'm i'm an egalitarian

02:44:41.800 i believe in equality but i'm i just cannot be a feminist because the core tenet of feminist is

02:44:47.240 the patriarchy theory and and also feminism is just clearly anti-male it's clearly anti-male yeah

02:44:55.000 in its ideology yeah well i also just think that like the definite like the actual definition of feminism

02:45:00.840 is just that like you believe that women and men should have the same rights like i don't think

02:45:05.080 like behind all the other stuff like if you're just looking at the definition of the word like

02:45:08.680 that's what i believe it is it's not that i believe women should be superior to men i just

02:45:12.600 think that they should be equal so if but why not just if that's how we're if that's how we're

02:45:17.480 defining it i like that definition i like that definition the word feminism though has so much

02:45:23.560 stuff attached to it like that we're straight white males trying to oppress women with our opinions

02:45:30.520 and that we're evil and we are the patriarchy you're a pretty evil guy you mean that you're

02:45:36.600 pretty evil okay bro what time is it i have places to be bro i'm sorry it is getting late

02:45:47.080 we haven't uh it's ten we should bro okay um lauren she's getting a little angry i'm sorry i'm not

02:45:55.960 getting angry i'm just like i just don't this isn't like productive like you're not going to change

02:46:00.040 my opinion i'm not going to change yours like there's no i'm in the galatarian there's differences

02:46:05.400 between us that we're never going to be able to understand like for instance so i'm i'm the only

02:46:09.800 boy like in my family um i have a older sister and the younger sister that i love a lot and um you know

02:46:16.280 they're they're both very beautiful and they've expressed how they have come across situations where

02:46:22.040 like they couldn't walk down like hollywood boulevard or something like that without feeling like

02:46:26.280 afraid and getting catcalled and then like getting pursued super aggressively and we're like they

02:46:33.000 turn them down and then it it turns aggressive they're like afraid i i will never be able to

02:46:37.080 understand that like i won't just there's a lot of things that you guys will not be able to understand

02:46:41.960 as men that we deal with and then that's just you know it's it's yin and yang um that this is what it

02:46:48.600 is you know also i i just want to be really clear it's totally okay for you guys to disagree with us

02:46:52.920 that's totally fine it's encouraged there's no ill will towards you guys or anything we're just

02:46:57.800 you know we're made this is content you know we're just having a debate that's that's how i view it

02:47:01.800 like yeah honestly like i like that's kind of what i just said like i do think that like we just have

02:47:06.760 different viewpoints like i respect some of your viewpoints and i'm sure you respect some of mine but

02:47:10.680 like i just think like the point of this conversation i feel like i'm just getting frustrated because i feel

02:47:15.480 like there's certain blockades that like i will never understand and you will never understand

02:47:20.120 it's just we all have different life experiences every single one of us has a different upbringing

02:47:24.680 we have different parents different just different everything and so i mean it that's the thing about

02:47:29.640 arguments it's hard to see the other side when you're you've had you know you were raised a certain

02:47:35.160 way you guys were raised a certain way we're different genders we have different struggles

02:47:39.480 so i mean we're not invalidating your guys struggles and you guys aren't invalidating ours so i think

02:47:44.680 we can reach the middle ground of maybe not agreeing but accepting your guys's opinions let

02:47:51.400 me just respond to that like i feel like we're saying that we have different opinions because

02:47:56.440 we're different genders and that we would never understand you know where you guys are coming from

02:47:59.960 and it's a valid point i would be curious to hear a conversation between you guys and all of the women

02:48:06.040 out there that disagree with modern feminism because there's a lot of them and they do have the same

02:48:11.160 lived experiences as you guys and they have a lot of arguments against modern feminism and a lot of

02:48:15.880 the points that you guys have raised i think that would be an interesting but there's a lot of people

02:48:19.160 that disagree with the points that you've raised as well there's there's always going to be people

02:48:23.160 that disagree yeah so the reason i said it is because you're kind of implying that we're you guys

02:48:27.720 were implying we're disagreeing because we're a different gender with different lived experiences and

02:48:31.240 i'm saying it's not about that like well it is about that i mean you're you're disagreeing with us

02:48:34.920 because you don't it you're disagreeing with us and we're disagreeing with you because we're we're

02:48:41.160 different like we have different views i want to just ask you guys just show of hands do you identify

02:48:47.480 as a feminist yeah i would say yes show of hands show of hands just as why do you guys okay can i

02:48:56.680 i don't i don't i don't agree with a lot of modern feminism i'm not holding the definition of the

02:49:04.200 word the what the definition of the definition of equal rights yeah but in practice in practice

02:49:11.320 it's totally something different what would you guys be open to me challenging you to change your

02:49:16.600 identity you identifying from a feminist to an egalitarian explain what an egalitarian is in more

02:49:22.920 detail equality um but but in practice it's something that's very different and the core

02:49:30.200 tenant of feminism is the patriarchy theory which i agree with the patriarchy is there like a word

02:49:37.480 like is there like a masculinism is that like a thing like masculinism or like there's men's rights

02:49:43.720 advocacy wait is there a word for being like the oppression of men like is that a word it's called

02:49:49.960 i mean there's a there's a matriarchy there's like an opposite equivalent to feminism yeah that's

02:49:53.960 what i was oh sorry yeah that's because i was gonna argue the word for it because i was gonna

02:49:57.480 argue that the reason that the word exists is because like women have struggled because they were

02:50:02.200 women so i think like i think that isn't like the same thing it should be synonymous with the word

02:50:07.240 egalitarian like by just obviously people have taken it too far but like i'm just saying that's why it

02:50:13.160 exists yeah i would say that almost the opposite equivalent is like the positive masculinity movement but

02:50:19.080 which is what is it called it's just kind of generally what did you say what do we think

02:50:24.280 about it guys well he's like one of the people in it some people call it the manosphere but like

02:50:30.520 there's a movement of positive masculinity and it's it's focused less though on like fighting oppression

02:50:36.520 and more on bringing like the best possible healthiest masculinity into the world to help as

02:50:41.400 many people i think that's a great movement like i think that men sure struggles like healthy

02:50:44.920 masculine obviously like yeah there's a huge reason why you think women are more emotional than

02:50:49.000 men it's because women have been more like taught to accept that they're emotional and like

02:50:52.520 acknowledge and deal with their emotions but i also think it's because it's a hormonal okay it's not

02:50:57.400 just hormonal it is okay it's not only hormonal obviously there's exceptions like there's some like

02:51:01.880 non-emotional women there's some extremely emotional men i'm saying that like i think that men like have

02:51:07.880 been conditioned to not like have emotions and i think that is detrimental and contributes to toxic masculinity

02:51:13.960 i understand no such thing i understand i i 100 there's just toxic people

02:51:21.880 is there toxic femininity yeah yes oh yeah yeah i i just think that there's toxic people why i'm

02:51:27.800 gender it why do we have to gender everything can't we just because the reason why it's called toxic

02:51:32.200 masculinity let me ask is there toxic blackness what the no but no but you see where i'm going with

02:51:40.200 that it would be i'm not saying i want to make something clear i'm not saying there is but but

02:51:45.240 you see like how attaching the term toxic to that can can almost be in the same way that that would be

02:51:51.640 a racist thing to say it's a sexist thing to say that there's toxic masculinity or toxic femininity i

02:51:57.800 just think people are toxic it toxicity knows no gender that's my take okay i i respect that take but i

02:52:05.160 think that the reason why we attach masculinity onto toxic is because there's no shortage of things

02:52:10.120 that could be toxic i'm just saying that by attributing like by saying toxic masculinity

02:52:15.080 versus just saying toxic it kind of acknowledges that the reason for this toxicity this certain

02:52:21.080 type of toxicity is because of the way of like more masculine i guess areas like the reason by how men

02:52:29.720 were shaped you know it's not just by like people being toxic it's just saying that like there's a

02:52:35.080 reason why it's called toxic masculinity versus just saying it was what are some examples of toxic

02:52:39.000 masculinity like calling guys simps when they're like into their girlfriends like things like that you

02:52:43.960 know the simp is a useful term at times okay if you're calling a dude a simp what about calling a guy a

02:52:53.640 pussy when he's crying there's there's a lot of women that want to like clearly step all over men

02:53:00.520 right and there's a lot of men that clearly just want to take advantage of women those are the far

02:53:06.200 reaches of both sides no ifs ands or buts about it like most people don't fall within those categories

02:53:13.240 but they're out there and they get the most attention mostly because of how people digest

02:53:17.960 um most communication is via social media and it's not the moderate views of most people that are

02:53:23.320 going to get the most attention it's going to be the people that are on the far reaches because

02:53:26.360 that's going to drive the most attention the most clickbait the most hate and whatnot

02:53:29.960 um there's a like there's a middle ground um of course there's going to be those crazy feminists

02:53:36.520 that are out there that own they don't want equality they only want superiority and that's it there's also

02:53:43.880 the same can be said about men you know i mean they're out there um the vast majority of people

02:53:48.280 aren't going to fall in those categories though this is it's not going to happen you you guys also

02:53:53.080 pinned the whole like simps and pussy thing on toxic masculinity kind of there's a shitload of

02:53:59.400 girls who call dudes simps and there's a shitload of girls who call dudes pussies too i know but i'm

02:54:04.040 not speaking i can't speak on behalf of like every other woman that's existed i'm just saying from like

02:54:08.440 a general point of view like i think that like men have been conditioned to think that like showing

02:54:13.480 emotion is like a sign of weakness that's that does happen that does happen we men and women are

02:54:20.520 temperamentally different though like we have different temperaments and when i mentioned

02:54:25.320 this came down to hormones earlier you guys laughed but like and i don't i'm not sure why

02:54:29.960 you guys laughed but this is like a really important thing like the the dominant hormone in men is

02:54:35.160 testosterone and the dominant hormones in women are estrogen and progesterone okay those change how

02:54:41.880 your brain processes emotion right when a man has healthy testosterone levels he's not prone to chaotic

02:54:48.440 mood swings and having his mood all over the place when women are going through a pregnancy or when

02:54:53.560 they're going through different phases of their cycle your guys's emotions can go all over the

02:54:58.360 place all of you guys know this okay this is just a part of nature it's it's just how things naturally

02:55:03.640 work it's not a bad thing but this is why like this is why a lot of women lean on their men and their

02:55:11.000 relationships to be like a grounding stabilizing force for them when they they feel like a lot of

02:55:15.400 emotion because men generally have more stable emotions and it's not it's not as much because

02:55:21.080 of conditioning but conditioning comes into it it's because of what's happening in our bodies

02:55:26.200 i'm sure that some you know wait wait what did did you want to say something to that i said i i think i

02:55:31.320 just laughed because like i think it's erroneous to attribute all of like the emotion like the discrepancy

02:55:38.040 of emotions between men and women just to hormones like i think obviously like yes that's a part of

02:55:42.120 it how big of an effect hormones have on our i know hormones i know okay obviously i know that

02:55:47.480 women like it's huge are more prone to being hormonal in like the emotional sense but i also

02:55:52.520 think that a factor of it is because men aren't like conditioned to express how they feel that's part

02:55:59.000 of it that's part of it for sure that that is part of it and a lot of men have like super low testosterone

02:56:04.200 now like way less than ever hell some dudes will probably call me simps like on here just for saying

02:56:08.920 this but i will say like that women's innate ability to lean on their emotions and be more

02:56:15.480 emotional that's what makes women beautiful and like their ability to do that and to have those

02:56:21.160 perspectives from their emotions is a good thing we love just as men who are able to lead from their

02:56:31.320 frame that is a good thing too again it's the yin and the yang like men and women are made to

02:56:37.320 complement one another like we are superior and inferior to one another in different ways for

02:56:43.560 good reason i agree i like that i really like that i like that analogy i i like the yin and yang the

02:56:51.080 men are superior in some ways women are superior in some ways we offer different things that's like i'm

02:56:55.560 a very unempathetic person did you say unempathetic yeah a lot of the times but for instance like you

02:57:02.040 know who i'm with right now she is very empathetic and i guess we complement each other in that way

02:57:07.320 can you talk about her can you talk about your situation can you we just we've been having a

02:57:13.560 heated debate i feel like it's kind of a yeah what do you want to know what do you want to know lightness

02:57:18.520 okay you know the whole situation with the thing and then you know the thing can you talk about it

02:57:29.400 do you want do you want can you just give us a quick story i mean not not really but then

02:57:32.840 so yeah okay and let me let me just say with what we were saying before like i know it's like heinous

02:57:38.440 for dudes like to stand against feminism or whatever no i'm not i know it's like heinous for us to like

02:57:44.280 stand against it but one of the reasons why i'm like not totally in support of everything that comes

02:57:48.760 with feminism is because like there's this idea that the only differences between men and women are

02:57:53.400 because of like cultural conditioning and that we men and women are basically equal in how we function

02:58:00.040 and all this stuff but culture conditions us to be manly or to be womanly i think god created men

02:58:06.760 and women like tanner was saying to complement one another and i think that feminist narrative of like

02:58:10.920 it's all cultural conditioning i think that like overlooks like some of the most beautiful aspects

02:58:15.800 of our humanity you know yeah i agree but i also think that just by like categorizing all feminists

02:58:21.080 into that label it kind of like gets rid of the ones that are actually like rational like hopefully like

02:58:26.360 part of us are being you know i got a question so feminism is about equality right yeah so what is

02:58:35.480 a way in which feminism has advocated for men well i mean they they like agree that men should be able

02:58:44.440 to like express their emotions without shame okay that seems fairly minor yeah what do you mean express your

02:58:53.800 emotions though can you elaborate on that and who do you think that men should should explain their

02:58:59.160 emotions to um i mean just like as a general way of saying like they're allowed to have emotions and

02:59:06.520 they don't always have to be like solemn okay i will say this right so for instance right now like

02:59:13.240 with my relationship i think that a man for the most part should be like a rock in a relationship and

02:59:18.360 should be you know extremely strong and lead right and he shouldn't burden the woman that he

02:59:25.080 is with with his like emotions as heavy emotions i'll say it like outright right now i jason's one of

02:59:32.520 my best friends like i've cried to him and been like hey this is what's going on my life and this

02:59:37.000 fucking sucks this is the worst thing i've ever gone through my entire life and i'll express those

02:59:41.400 emotions like with him and go to him to help be like hey man i need help with this right like this

02:59:46.840 fucking sucks i'm not gonna go to a woman that i'm with and be like hey this is the hardest thing

02:59:52.920 ever deal with and i don't know if i can do this because they're gonna lose confidence within me

02:59:57.720 and they're probably just in their innate being yeah they're gonna lose confidence and they're not

03:00:03.880 gonna trust me as much versus like i can go to strong men that i have in my life that i'm super

03:00:09.320 grateful that i have and talk to them about what's going on i you guys might not understand that and

03:00:14.520 that's okay chicks say that they want men to express their emotions but when men express

03:00:19.400 their emotions and moments of weakness it causes chicks to break up with dudes it's happened a

03:00:23.480 million times it's always bad it's it's bad but this has been a very heavy conversation i feel like

03:00:29.960 we should talk about body count no no i should not we should be a 621 guy i bet you can't fight

03:00:35.640 i i don't know how much longer you guys want to go but i do have a really important question for you

03:00:39.400 guys before you guys yeah it is because we do yeah okay just one go for it this is this is a

03:00:43.960 really positive thing for for everybody listening and everybody in the room for all of our male

03:00:49.880 listeners what do you guys as women think what is the the number one thing that you guys think men

03:00:55.320 can do to make themselves more attractive to women good question that's not the adjective i was

03:01:01.800 expecting what were you expecting i thought you were gonna say something like more supportive like

03:01:07.000 better no because there's there's a lot of guys listening to this these podcasts and they're

03:01:10.680 trying to figure out like how to be successful with women and stuff and from a woman's perspective

03:01:15.080 like what do you guys think dudes can do and i don't think he means support women i don't think

03:01:19.160 he means not physically attractive like he means to be attractive yeah yeah like uh it could be a

03:01:25.000 personality thing yeah yeah for me um i think it's a guy who like makes me feel important

03:01:31.400 like someone who like kind of goes back to what we were talking about originally like way long ago

03:01:36.200 um how sometimes if you go and you have like that body count you went and said like sometimes it can

03:01:40.840 be unattractive because you don't feel like what you have with her is like special like if a guy

03:01:46.040 like makes me feel special like i'm the only one for um for him like that makes me feel very

03:01:51.240 important that's very very attractive to me okay that's a good answer i agree with hannah a big thing for me

03:01:58.200 is confidence everyone has things they're insecure about but everyone has things that they're proud

03:02:03.560 of and they love about themselves and being confident in those things and leading with those

03:02:07.960 things is so attractive and not being scared to show those sides of yourself i feel like i don't know

03:02:15.160 that's attractive so confidence don't be scared to be who you are be proud of who you are and if

03:02:20.280 there's things you don't like about yourself just focus on the parts that you do like about yourself

03:02:25.160 so men should lean into their strengths to build their confidence yeah okay yourself um i really

03:02:32.120 value emotional intelligence in a man because i believe that um in a lot of circumstances um

03:02:39.320 conflicts can be resolved through emotional intelligence and i also think that emotional

03:02:43.720 intelligence can aid a man and both obviously both parties have to be emotionally intelligent at some

03:02:50.440 level um but i think it's important for a guy to be able to kind of be able to be as supportive as

03:02:57.000 possible to his girlfriend because i may go back to your point predominantly girls are a little bit

03:03:04.280 more emotional in relationships at least the ones that i have been in it's okay to admit i have been the

03:03:10.120 more emotional one and what helps me is a really supportive um man to lean on absolutely yeah it's a good

03:03:17.560 thing to admit there's no shame there's nothing wrong with that there's no nothing wrong with it

03:03:21.240 yeah and let me tell you as a dude when my girlfriend is like in an emotional state i love

03:03:25.640 being a rock for her it makes me feel like a man but it's hard when it's well okay nevermind

03:03:31.560 don't date boys i get what you're saying date men date men date men yeah okay so emotional intelligence

03:03:38.600 being able to understand you yeah you need emotionally and also i would say i mean getting into you know

03:03:44.360 adulthood i think commitment is definitely a huge one because i mean at the end of the day you want

03:03:50.200 to marry the person that you're dating right and you're not able to do that if they're not equally

03:03:53.880 committed as you and commitment can be almost like things like i don't know a good morning text or things

03:04:00.200 like just being the shoulder to cry on is commitment to the relationship just doing the little things

03:04:05.320 every single day that nourish the relations the relationship and just keep it strong and whole

03:04:10.920 okay yeah good answer thanks no disputes i think that the sexiest thing for a man to have is

03:04:18.440 intelligence like in both an emotional and like regular whatever intellectual my boyfriend is also

03:04:24.360 pretty emotional and he goes to stanford and he's like a comp sci major how's he emotional

03:04:29.800 because like well i don't know if he's like he's not like i don't know like volatile but i think he's

03:04:36.920 like comfortable with his emotions like he's like i don't know he like expresses that he like loves me

03:04:41.480 and he's not embarrassed like if his friends like roast him like things like that you know that's cool

03:04:46.440 that's a sign of security i think so too yeah big thing i want to bring up some somebody's comment

03:04:51.960 i don't know where it was because like hey i'm a cop and saw some and my wife

03:04:56.600 wasn't there but like my my friends were um men don't like okay i'm military uh i'm not like a

03:05:04.120 combat vet or anything never like went and did anything cool or anything but like men talk to

03:05:09.000 your brothers um for sure like talk to them you don't have to bleed everything out onto like women

03:05:15.560 and whatnot and people like within relationships just talk to your friends because they're probably

03:05:19.640 going through something very similar to themselves and they're gonna be open and honest with you

03:05:23.960 and like be that shoulder they will be that shoulder to cry on if you have a good set of men around

03:05:28.760 you it's very important brotherhood is essential i wanted to hear from hannah too and after after we

03:05:34.680 hear from hannah um we'll do i got one more question to ask the panel and then we gotta we

03:05:41.160 gotta wrap up the super chats and then we'll wrap up um we've gone a bit long and i just want to make

03:05:45.880 sure we can get uh the girls and the guys out of here uh at a reasonable hour so appreciate your

03:05:52.760 guys's patience we'll get you out of here very soon go ahead hannah um i think it's really attractive

03:05:58.280 when a guy has passions that he really cares about because i've dated i've dated a lot of guys that

03:06:04.040 just don't have any passions and that just it gets boring you know like you need to be interested in

03:06:08.040 things you need to like want to learn about things you need to be curious it's yeah it's really important

03:06:12.680 for me that i'm with somebody that's passionate okay great it's a good answer uh it tends to be pretty

03:06:19.080 common yeah yeah so also one thing we do we just want to open it up to the panel if you guys have

03:06:25.240 a final thought or a question that you want to ask for one of us for the panel um feel free if you want

03:06:32.600 to skip just to move things along that's fine too um so hannah final thought or question i don't have any

03:06:39.880 i don't um this is not problematic towards you guys but why are your viewers so racist

03:06:44.280 racist they have no reason to be so racist what what were they i was just go through the comments

03:06:49.960 bro um you know what the oh man wait wait wait wait i'm not sure chun lee get some help

03:07:00.200 you know i uh the views the internet the internet the views expressed in the comments do not necessarily

03:07:07.320 reflect those of the uh hosts or panels so yeah yeah yeah i mean it's pretty common though

03:07:14.200 for uh chat to just be uh there's some good guys in there like there's a lot of good guys in there

03:07:19.800 but there's some people and some of it's just trolling they're just fucking around you know

03:07:23.480 most of the comment section is awesome and it's anonymous it's anonymous too so um that was your

03:07:30.280 yeah okay wait what was like the like final thought or question for the panel you can you can skip if

03:07:35.960 you want like i i think i'm good i think we covered a lot of things we did talk about yeah we did talk a

03:07:41.480 lot i i think i'm good yeah don't really have anything in particular okay yeah i i think i

03:07:47.160 don't really have anything to add i just want to say thank you for the debate and for like yeah thank

03:07:52.680 you for coming even though there was a lot of things we disagreed on um i appreciate you guys

03:07:57.160 listening to what we had to say and letting us talk yeah it's good to have a debate even if it gets a

03:08:01.560 little heated you know it's if you can't offend people if you can't express your opinions then i yeah i

03:08:08.120 think that's one of the most important things just like in here like just to be open-minded and

03:08:11.960 like going like you guys heard you know us out and then we heard you guys out and like for me too it

03:08:16.760 really like helped me kind of like expand my perspective because now i really you know was

03:08:21.400 able to see like what you guys saw and like you know i'm definitely going to go and take those

03:08:24.840 things like into like a situation think about that and like you guys too like i really appreciate

03:08:29.320 everything that you guys had to say and a lot of guys out there you know you might talk about some

03:08:34.040 of the stuff with some guy friends you know some of the body count type stuff a lot of guys just can't

03:08:37.720 be honest with this stuff because they're gonna get canceled they want to sleep with you so you know

03:08:45.640 there's that uh tanner i think you had your final thought with the the cop thing right um i mean no i

03:08:52.440 had a oh you got a great time with y'all okay yeah no um this was awesome anybody talking smack in the

03:08:57.960 comment section then you guys can probably fight so go do push-ups yeah so owned and then chase i

03:09:05.560 think you got your kind of question you wanted to ask right no that was that was it it was what dudes

03:09:10.440 can do to yeah okay cool it's more attractive so can i give my impression of the yeah yeah go for it

03:09:15.960 yeah i uh first off massive respect to you guys for we had some challenging conversations tonight

03:09:23.400 and uh i think you guys articulated yourselves well we obviously disagreed on a lot um thank you

03:09:30.040 for expressing where you're coming from because as a conservative dude i don't often get to have

03:09:34.360 heated debates with liberal women who have almost opposite viewpoints as me so thank you for that um

03:09:41.480 thank you also for like i feel like you guys like really had a lot of curiosity towards us in terms of

03:09:46.840 like how we look at women and like you guys were very curious to hear what we think about like dating

03:09:51.640 and clothing choices and all that kind of stuff and i i feel like that displayed humility and uh

03:09:59.000 it was nice to be able to explain ourselves in that way and uh yeah respect all right so my final

03:10:04.520 or unless i was gonna say even though i attacked you guys a lot like i appreciate you like explaining

03:10:08.920 your like side of things no it's good it's it's good it's all right we can take it no it's good it's

03:10:14.360 good to uh debate i think disagreement is uh healthy disagreement is and debate is sorely lacking and

03:10:22.520 that's why we're so polarized because we can't have conversations we can't that's what we're doing that

03:10:29.320 is what we're doing uh so i have my final question for the panel oh no

03:10:34.680 you guys know what's coming okay so you all said just to bring it back here body count shouldn't

03:10:43.800 matter oh my god body count shouldn't matter right here we go okay if body count shouldn't matter

03:10:52.280 are you gonna ask for ours what's your body count

03:10:55.800 three go ahead i think it's a social construct i'm not gonna share what but i hold i i i thought

03:11:06.680 it was a social construct it shouldn't matter it doesn't matter i don't know like but just like

03:11:12.040 for people who are curious i think you should share i don't want to thank you though if it doesn't matter

03:11:18.120 why don't you want to be the change you want to see in the world

03:11:20.440 i'm uncomfortable doing that's fine i already said three three okay for the sole purpose

03:11:31.240 my mother asked me this question yesterday mom my mother oh my mother asked me this question

03:11:36.920 and i refuse to answer and i'm gonna refuse to answer because my mother will be watching this

03:11:42.040 and that is just not it's just not it's just really not it's just if my mother if we can somehow block

03:11:49.560 her then maybe but i'm kidding i'm kidding love you what's what's her username no i actually have

03:11:55.320 no idea but i think i'll stand with that one yeah gotta protect them yeah gotta protect the mothers

03:12:01.640 yeah my mom wasn't watching i'd tell you guys no and i'll tell you off camera too but it's like

03:12:06.280 i don't care if anyone knows but my mom like i don't know and my dad guys my father and it's not

03:12:12.680 even bad man you all said it doesn't matter and none of you did we say anything about our parents

03:12:19.640 wait what are your body counts i see i feel like the mother thing is like a cop out to be

03:12:23.720 it's really not my mom asked me that yesterday over facetime she goes so how many people have

03:12:28.440 you slept with and i was like that no comment like no comment okay so whatever the number is

03:12:36.200 multiplied by three so just what are your body talents why didn't you answer well i think so i

03:12:43.800 think body count matters so okay so therefore you're not answering well of course i have a reason

03:12:50.600 to but i think chase you've shared before right do you want to share again not really not if they're

03:12:56.600 not going to answer i did answer she answered you did you did we've got to get a few more answers

03:13:01.480 before i share tanner you got to come in bro because we know we know about you i'm i'm not

03:13:07.480 gonna answer on air that's way too many people come on come on yeah that's really awful no it's not

03:13:17.320 why what that was that was brave what you answered the question and it's also it's also it's also not

03:13:23.960 not an answer that's like really going to get you judged like you that you didn't have much to lose

03:13:27.560 by saying that wait what do you guys have stuff to lose i mean do we what he has stuff to lose he

03:13:34.600 might have stuff to lose i might have stuff to lose i mean i'm just not sharing mine out of spite

03:13:39.800 because you guys didn't share there we go okay wait can we guess can we guess i'm totally comfortable

03:13:45.560 sharing it five okay wait are you guessing i'm guessing i'm guessing why don't you tell us yours

03:13:51.000 and then five okay no oh that's not mine i'm just i'm just trying to guess okay am i cold hot do you

03:13:59.000 have a guess i mean you said you went through a phase so maybe like 12 okay um i'm gonna guess

03:14:07.320 eight okay i'm gonna guess number nine okay but you can only tell us if it's true if we picked the

03:14:13.800 right number none of you guessed it okay okay is it lower or higher i feel like it's definitely higher

03:14:19.000 it was it was in the ballpark 20 it was in the ballpark 20 no number seven yes i've slept with

03:14:25.880 seven women yes so you guys gonna tell us now or what no body count doesn't matter guys it's a

03:14:39.320 social construct body count was truly a social construct and it didn't actually matter these

03:14:44.200 women would be very happy to share it with us people weaponize it and that's not something you

03:14:49.400 know what i've said things in this conversation people are going to weaponize against me someday

03:14:53.800 and it's important to be the change you want to see in the world we must speak truth yes speak the

03:14:59.640 truth the best thing you can be is yourself for sure like there's so much fake everything fake

03:15:05.240 people fake food fake systems the best thing you can be is yourself okay so they're not going to answer

03:15:09.560 well that's totally fine let me guess let me guess is it under 20 oh wait oh oh if it's way under 20

03:15:15.720 then you shouldn't i just feel i have a boyfriend that's like weird like i don't want to talk about

03:15:19.320 that okay that's fine that's understandable it's fine it's fine we won't pressure no it's way higher

03:15:25.320 no i'm kidding joking all right well well so but let's talk a little bit about a little bit about

03:15:37.720 body count right why does it matter chase why does body count matter you already explained why it

03:15:42.040 mattered okay did i have like a 30 minute conversation did i explain i don't think that

03:15:47.960 you were doing other stuff around the room okay yeah okay yeah oh guys that is a really nice

03:15:55.720 message do you think the double standard is an acceptable double standard so in other words a guy

03:16:01.960 can sleep with a lot of girls he's kind of seen as a stud but if a woman sleeps with a lot of men

03:16:06.600 she's seen as a slut do you think that is a reasonable or justified double standard i don't

03:16:12.440 think it's justified not even a little bit well why would it be justified like what i don't get it

03:16:20.040 like you're asking you're asking is it okay for society to like be like yeah yeah guys like keep

03:16:25.720 sleeping with as many women as you like want type thing and then like guys are seen as studs and women

03:16:30.040 are right seen as sluts right well i don't think yeah i don't think that's justified you don't think

03:16:35.400 it's a justified double standard no i mean would you guys justify that i think it's i do think it's

03:16:42.360 justified for a few reasons really okay here we go i knew that was coming i knew that was coming i

03:16:48.120 knew that was coming i want to know why you think it's justified wait i agree with him by the way of

03:16:52.920 of course of course you do of course you do so wait when you say it's justified do you mean it's

03:16:57.960 like okay for guys to sleep with more girls okay but there is a reason people there's there's a

03:17:03.640 able to sleep with a lot of women are studs and women who sleep with can you please explain your

03:17:08.360 reasoning so so i'll come in um yes there is a reason for the double standard one it's a lot easier

03:17:17.080 for y'all to get laid than it is for men way easier i mean i can open it up to you if you guys

03:17:22.200 think it's harder for women to get laid but uh i think that might just be because men have like

03:17:27.800 lower standards though like a lot of men do have lower standards wait if men wait if men had lower

03:17:34.600 standards so wait i'm pointing at the camera i see people in the chat saying what i just want them

03:17:41.640 to know i see their wait so it's harder for men to get laid because they have lower standards

03:17:46.120 wouldn't it be easier for men no yeah i'm saying it's like the reason why like it's easier for men

03:17:51.880 is because they have lower standards oh so you you think it's easier for men to get laid than it is

03:17:57.160 for women to get laid wait hold on so look like women choose who they want to have sex with men take

03:18:07.160 what they can get but also men choose who they settle down with and who they choose to like have a

03:18:12.280 partner i think that's a generalization yeah i think i will make it way simpler so that everybody

03:18:17.640 can understand all of you women right now there's probably a hundred plus dudes that you know that

03:18:24.120 would sleep with you in an instant okay for all all guys at any given moment in time except for the

03:18:31.000 top top tier dudes at any given moment in time there's probably less than six women that would have

03:18:36.120 sex with them okay you can be an average woman and there's going to be a million dudes that are going to

03:18:40.680 want to have sex with her an average guy is going to have barely any women that want to have sex with

03:18:45.800 him women tend to want the guys at the top okay you don't have to be a woman at the top for men to

03:18:51.400 want you so it's really easy for women to have sex okay it's it's way harder for men to find women that

03:18:56.840 want to have sex with them most men are completely looked over like most men are invisible which is

03:19:02.680 yeah which is why it's impressive when a guy is a it's societally impressive when a guy is able to sleep

03:19:08.520 with a lot of women okay it's not impressive at all if a girl can do that all you have to do is

03:19:13.800 just freaking open your legs like literally it's like literally that easy it's easy like yeah you

03:19:18.840 don't really get easy you just show up you could you walk into a club a party you just gotta show up

03:19:25.000 all of you could go on tinder right now and sleep with a guy by the end of the night okay but we also

03:19:29.960 don't represent all of females there's a lot of women that are overlooked too you're right you're

03:19:34.840 absolutely right i feel like it's kind of equal it really just depends no no no no no no the average

03:19:39.080 woman the average woman is going to have a shit ton of guys that want to sleep with her okay most

03:19:45.160 even if you look through an average woman's like tinder dms or whatever a very average woman

03:19:52.200 could have have sex super easily yes very that's why the double standard isn't justified because

03:19:58.440 i could have sex with hundreds of guys if i wanted to but i don't but that's a good thing yeah

03:20:04.200 good stay that way no no no no let me finish let me finish so that's why it doesn't make sense to

03:20:09.480 me to shame women for having a higher body count when they're still rejecting 90 of the guys that

03:20:14.760 come up to them it's like we're still we still have very high standards still like that's why the whole

03:20:19.560 double standard thing isn't making sense to me because guys are taking what they can get it's like

03:20:23.080 wait so if if you knew a chick that had slept with 150 men you wouldn't look down on that at all

03:20:28.600 i would not judge her no would i want to have sex with her maybe not you wouldn't think you

03:20:33.720 wouldn't think she was kind of a slut or anything like that i honestly that's not my business i

03:20:38.600 don't want to have sex with her i'm straight so it's like i will say i'll say this most women could

03:20:44.440 sleep with most men most men could not sleep with most women so this is your guys's way of okay wait i

03:20:51.560 just i'm trying to understand the justification so because women can sleep with however many men that they

03:20:57.720 want and men have a smaller pool right is what you guys are saying they have a much smaller pool

03:21:03.080 so that makes it like better for men to like rack up the numbers no we're not saying it's better

03:21:08.680 it's just there's a justification for the double standard okay wait would you guys say that i don't

03:21:13.640 think it's better predominantly positive double standard no we're just saying it exists for a

03:21:18.840 reason like it's a valid double oh okay so you're not saying that you like think it's i don't i don't

03:21:23.800 think it's a good i i think it's a terrible thing for dudes to just run through women i think it's

03:21:28.280 oh okay but there is a reason why well i misconstrued that in my head because i thought that you guys i

03:21:35.320 thought that you guys were making the point of oh it's a good double standard no no it should stay

03:21:39.480 that way that's not what we're saying okay then i agree with you okay okay so we can agree on one thing

03:21:45.000 all right great yay she doesn't she doesn't agree are you guys getting like paid by the hour or

03:21:50.840 something like what is going on no no no it's uh i'm losing sleep anyways um okay so we're gonna do

03:21:59.560 super chats and we're gonna wrap up the show guys so bear with me bear with me here um okay so oh my

03:22:06.280 gosh um just do super chats that are 20 or above like you said we're going to the thing is is that

03:22:14.840 some of these came in beforehand so okay uh did we already did this one um i think did we do is it

03:22:25.160 is this one uh did i do this one no edward scornfield i don't know if you're still watching but really

03:22:33.000 appreciate all your super chest and i'm in your fucking legend ten dollar soup chat programming

03:22:36.840 is prolonged associative memory behavior changes and the things we value change huge fat butts and

03:22:42.520 boobs don't serve any function smart men won't value that much in the future um thank you man appreciate

03:22:48.040 it uh let's see okay oh we got this guy um girls like these on the panel will definitely sleep with

03:22:55.000 this ex-convict i'd like to hear more of the curly-haired cutie and pink speaker mind she's deep

03:23:00.680 uh hey uh that's brandon by the way he's been on a couple shows um pink haired do you wanna you

03:23:08.600 wanna give a response to brandon there um i think he's shooting a shot what do you gotta say she's

03:23:13.960 single oh yeah right yeah um yeah thank you okay okay mike davis five dollar soup chat hey brandon

03:23:23.800 forget the curly hair don't be cheating on me yeah mike davis and brandon i guess have a bit of a uh

03:23:29.080 mike davis is trying to make conjugal visits to brandon when he's in prison oh yeah uh type of

03:23:33.960 guy to go go dance around the weekends and apologize to the patrons for what they're witnessing okay

03:23:38.440 thank you uh chase the type of dude to drive safely that's i'm actually insulted by that bro

03:23:45.560 that's a big insult i like to drive as dangerously as possible in gta man otherwise the game isn't fun

03:23:51.560 mike davis thank you for the ten dollar soup chat much appreciated uh shape my schaefer meister thank you

03:23:56.440 for the twenty dollars i think that's your buddy right yeah we got to his other yeah yeah my man

03:24:00.760 in the gray thinks just because a girl is dressed slutty she wants to get railed not everything

03:24:04.440 revolves around sex he's insecure level nine thousand wow cool story bro zavi thank you for the ten

03:24:10.200 dollar soup chat much appreciated uh chase you want a quick little response to that or i don't think

03:24:16.120 every girl that's dressed slutty wants to get railed i think dressing slutty is a way for women to

03:24:20.920 signal to guys that they're uh they're down though it's interesting i feel like that i feel like

03:24:26.120 that's gonna get clipped and i'm gonna get raked through the coals andrew tate andrew tate five

03:24:30.360 dollar soup chat she had that gawk gawk three thousand that's why my homeboy that's what my

03:24:34.200 homeboy basically said no idea who you're talking about which which girl is it what did i miss something

03:24:39.800 what i don't know which one keep going yeah this is all this is these all of these are well after

03:24:45.400 yeah just do the twenty dollars yeah no that's good we'll get them uh jordan cole twenty dollars

03:24:50.680 brian robert brian robert lewandowski was the bpd girlfriend the one you did all the super old

03:24:56.120 videos with if so i understand uh no that was not andrea but it was well i'm not gonna say but um

03:25:03.560 yeah guys do not date women with bpd sorry just learn from me learn from my mistakes do not do it facts

03:25:11.720 uh let's see uh okay that was under the limit uh devon jackson ten dollars they were talking

03:25:18.760 about the page patriarchy but all want men that are stronger than them taller than them make more

03:25:23.240 money and are smarter than them shaking my head devon jackson thank you for the ten dollars girls if

03:25:27.800 you want really quick do you have a that's not what the patriarchy is but okay okay no comment

03:25:35.640 thank you for the two dollars there uh jack miles i think the three stooges on the right should

03:25:39.400 volunteer when world war three okay you guys will be at the front lines that's my boy jack jack i'll

03:25:47.720 see you there brother i know oh by the way i forgot to do this um we do have a rule if you refuse to

03:25:54.280 answer the body um count question you have to wear this for the rest of the stream so here you

03:25:59.000 no so all of us have to here just it's a it's a world war it's a world war one war helmet here just

03:26:07.800 put it on no i'm okay dude you have to tell no you have to tell them that they have to put it on before

03:26:12.840 they answer yeah you didn't you didn't answer it either so i think you have to wear it yeah you have

03:26:17.480 to there we go playing by the rules looks great oh god you look good thank you man yeah you look

03:26:23.800 fantastic it's a good look it's a good look i'm gonna wear it to the club later okay the spearmint

03:26:28.600 all right um devon jackson thank you for the other ten dollar soup chat man much appreciated

03:26:34.760 men's struggles aren't taken seriously at all facts it's true it's true backed yep okay we got no bull

03:26:42.520 spit with the ten dollar soup chat by the way thank you for being a member man really appreciate it

03:26:46.680 only women children and dogs are loved unconditionally a man is only loved under the condition that he provides

03:26:52.760 something chris rock facts david goggins hardcore facts 100 100 100 um mike davis ten dollar soup chat

03:27:02.440 i'm not young i've seen many such females back in the day it's nothing new or chic they either

03:27:07.080 change their views with time or ended up bitter and lonely history repeats itself he's the one that's

03:27:13.000 paying to say this so any you guys gonna shoot shots he's a man with experience though he's been

03:27:18.040 around davis is the man mike davis is and here he is watching us that's all i have to say

03:27:22.760 he's also the one i wouldn't he he's also paying to insult us too so you you said that yourself

03:27:28.600 right yeah you did say it yourself okay here blondie put this on i'm not down i like i'm afraid of life

03:27:40.200 don't trust you somebody's gotta wear it put it on okay just i'll do it i'll do it it's fine

03:27:45.000 she's taking one for the team she's taking one for the team there you go okay uh mike davis with

03:27:50.120 the ten dollar soup chat brixton or sorry brian no offense but all three of you fit the description

03:27:54.200 of beta male get a real man like mr organic myron sneaker and tate and they'll dismantle these women

03:27:59.400 easy work okay damn like i think it's just a rose hey mike davis why don't you say that to my face

03:28:05.880 bro come on the podcast i would love for him to come on the podcast mike and andrew and then we

03:28:11.080 need edward i would love that yeah that'd be entertaining mike davis appreciate it oh mike and

03:28:16.760 edward yeah edward you need to come on the two guys we want to talk yo glibis sorry a glibis la

03:28:25.720 thank you for the ten dollar soup chat um sorry if i'm mispronouncing your name there this is the first

03:28:30.280 time i'm able to send super chat in the last five to seven streams by the way i saw that you became a

03:28:34.840 a member i think it was about two or three weeks ago really appreciate the support man glad to see

03:28:38.600 you in the chat thank you for this super chat man appreciate it keep it up great show hey dude thank

03:28:42.440 you much thank you so much for the super chat oh man third one in a row dude thank you man i would

03:28:48.520 want to be in relationship with a girl if her body count is over 10 i would wouldn't he says i would

03:28:55.880 he said he would with a girl that means he would i don't know if he misspoke no i want to be in

03:29:02.120 relationship with the girl if her body count is over 10 and i know it okay so he's fine he's cool

03:29:06.840 with a woman who has yes hey thank you for the support everybody has their preferences that's

03:29:11.400 cool thank you for the three ten dollars much appreciated yeah you the man okay uh well that's

03:29:17.480 it for the super chats we got through those uh fairly quickly guys we got a lot of super chats

03:29:21.640 tonight really appreciate all the support um did we is that it eric did you miss any or did we get

03:29:27.960 all of them you think that's it any closing thoughts from the ladies last final this was

03:29:33.320 a delightful conversation i really appreciate it guys she's wearing a cap i don't know if that's

03:29:37.400 cat i know that might be cat likewise are you just saying that to be nice what are you just saying

03:29:43.320 that to be nice what the conversation no i'm genuinely like i i i mean i'm not gonna pat myself

03:29:49.560 on the back but i i'm very open-minded so i really really appreciate everything you guys had to say

03:29:53.800 like literally me and my friend jess like we were just taking we had the craziest summer and

03:29:57.720 it kind of started like a couple weeks ago when we um were asking like 20 questions this game with

03:30:02.440 a group of like our guy friends and then we were able to go and get their perspective on things which

03:30:06.600 we thought was like so like we didn't realize that and then we started asking all of our other guy

03:30:11.880 friends and trying to like implement that and we saw kind of like the change it went and made

03:30:16.040 when we how we interacted with guys and then um yeah and then just how what came out of that too

03:30:22.520 so i genuinely yeah thank you so much guys no yeah i agree with hannah we've learned that

03:30:27.800 learning guys perspectives you can learn a lot from that so yeah a lot out of this podcast and yeah

03:30:33.080 thank you guys so much for coming i got the sense you did too and respect like it was fun i had a lot

03:30:37.640 of fun yeah i appreciate the viewpoints yeah by the way even though even though we disagreed i enjoyed

03:30:44.520 i enjoyed tussling too uh evil matt yeah i do we do get twitch chat in here but just not a lot of people

03:30:53.480 are uh commenting on twitch so but yeah i do uh my boy schaefer meister who dropped a lot of super

03:31:00.920 chats is asking for a bar on stream let me just say what's up my bar and then just last you my bar

03:31:10.200 let me get let me get this final uh hey thank you man for that uh total total of 40 super chat really

03:31:20.360 appreciate man good to see you in a lot of money tonight bro i maybe i don't know i feel like he

03:31:25.880 he doesn't want to say because we should be getting paid now too yeah our time is very valuable

03:31:35.400 you guys were a great panel yeah you guys were fantastic you know i know we had some heated

03:31:39.000 moments but we do really appreciate you guys uh sticking it out some some other people would

03:31:43.480 probably walked off i know you were maybe thinking about it for a second there what time is it no i

03:31:48.440 do appreciate and i do appreciate you guys staying a bit late here we did go pretty late on this one

03:31:53.400 um yeah so thank you so much to the uh panel thank you ladies thank you so much thank you man thank you

03:32:01.720 you're welcome are we missing i feel like we're missing something i don't know are we missing

03:32:06.360 so uh i don't think we are what any like and subscribe oh yeah by the way the instagram everyone's

03:32:14.040 instagrams are in the description please give them a follow uh yeah shoot them and as far as like the

03:32:23.320 no never mind okay never um yeah but thank you guys so much for tuning in um we will be live again

03:32:29.080 chase did you want to come in yeah i just wanted to say thank you everybody for listening thank you guys

03:32:33.080 for the super chats towards brian and all of us thank you guys also for the comments i don't know

03:32:38.280 about you guys i get so much entertainment out of reading people oh it's so interesting it's this was

03:32:43.560 a very rewarding experience yeah yeah we can't address all of your guys's comments but they are

03:32:50.360 so entertaining and you guys should just keep it coming so chats are awesome yeah yeah so uh we will

03:32:55.560 be live again thursday at 7 p.m pacific again i want to thank the panel again for coming you guys

03:33:02.040 were great thank you so much appreciate it yo someone said tristan oh shit oh we got a big old

03:33:07.480 shafer oh wow okay he he needs to come on the show get him on the show dude jordan jordan bring him

03:33:16.520 on the show you should come do this with us come be on the show come be on the show bro hey you guys

03:33:20.520 see you guys see his profile picture right there he's a good looking dude i took that when we were

03:33:23.560 in college oh wow wait you know him yeah that's one of my that's one of my oldest get him on the show

03:33:30.040 that's my boy i love that he's also very handsome and based so ladies

03:33:38.680 yeah uh eddie ed says bring fiery lauren back for sure which one's lauren oh this lauren

03:33:47.160 well i thought he was talking about there's a different there's a fiery lauren and the ice

03:33:50.760 cold lauren i don't know yeah no you were good you were good it's yes okay she's not coming back

03:33:58.840 guys she's not coming back we made her too mad okay cool um that's it guys jordan come do this with

03:34:05.240 us bro come do this with us that'd be so much fun he's dude he's so based let's have a guy i'd love

03:34:11.320 seven we should do it dude let's do it let's do it all right guys uh yeah thank you again thursday

03:34:17.080 7 p.m uh thanks so much for watching guys thank you for all the super chats you guys were super

03:34:22.520 supportive i really appreciate it and uh yeah we'll uh see you next time thank you guys i'll see you

03:34:27.480 guys on thursday thank you

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