Dating Talk #13
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Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, host Brian Atlas is joined by his co-host, Kiki, and guest hosts Hannah, Lauren, Jessica, Tanner, and Chase to discuss their single status, current relationships, and hookups.
Transcript
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are live welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast coming to you live from Isla Vista
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Santa Barbara County California every Tuesday and Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific I'm your host
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Brian Atlas I'm joined by my co-host Kiki she's a bit shy a few quick announcements before the
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at whatever on Instagram without further ado we're gonna have the guests introduce themselves so
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please tell us your name age occupation and or school major um my name is Hannah I'm a student
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at UCSB I'm 19 and I work on campus uh major uh psych hi I'm Lauren I'm 20 I'm a bio psych major at UCSB
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and I'm currently a scribe for Santa Barbara cottage and yeah um I'm Jackie I'm 20 um I'm a communications
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and global studies double major and I work at the recreational center so it's basically UCSB's gym
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and I love my job so shout out everyone that works there um hi guys my name is also Hannah um I'm a student
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at UCSB I'm 19 and my major is econ and accounting hi my name is Jessica I also go to the University
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of California Santa Barbara I'm 20 and my major is economics and accounting my name is Tanner I'm 26
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full-time I do executive protection uh part-time I'm an instrument in the army national guard and
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own as like side gig my firearms training company and I go to school part-time online I'm majoring in just
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uh general education all right uh what's up guys my name is Chase I'm 27 years old I'm a professional
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photographer and brand consultant and I'm done with school okay we're gonna go around again really
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quick um current relationship status and longest relationship you've ever been in if you've had
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one um I'm currently in a relationship and I think my longest relationship was like a year or two
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something like that is it your current one uh no okay hi um I'm in a relationship and my longest one
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is probably my current one and it's been since February like 2021 I would say so over a year yeah okay
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I'm currently single um but my longest relationship is I think like a year and three months something
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like that yeah year and three months okay mine's not as long as that um I'm currently single my
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longest relationship I want to say around four or five months something like that also currently single
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let's go hot girl summer um longest relationship was a year a year and two months I'm in a relationship
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my longest has been two years I'm single and my longest relationship has been a year and a half
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okay good times oh yeah I suppose I should answer yeah uh currently single longest relationship was five
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years not a marriage though it wasn't there was no kids or marriage or anything okay so just quickly
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a show of hands which one it's you three that are single right and then chase right yeah okay
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four yeah got it so y'all said you were single uh how long have you been single oh my gosh um I think
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I've been single for like a year it feels like two years I'm gonna say two years but maybe like a year
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and nine months something like that but a while yeah um let me see I had like like a fling or like
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single from like a relationship relationship I'm gonna re-ask the question okay when's the last time
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you've hooked up with someone oh gosh well that's direct okay maybe like three weeks ago something
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like that so kind of recent three weeks maybe three weeks maybe three weeks I mean I haven't counted
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three weeks but I would say maybe three you'll never know let's go with three weeks okay so uh how
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long have you been single and when was your most recent hookup um let me see okay I've been single
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for I think like six months now and my most recent hookup was I would say four weeks ago yeah four weeks
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ago yeah last month was officially one year since I've been single my last hookup was four days ago
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oh yeah so you're keeping track of your like the breakup anniversary um snapchat memories
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okay I see yeah I see chase yeah um I've been single for two years a little over two years and I have
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not I have not done anything with a woman in the past two years can you you want to go into that a
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little bit just clarify we got some new viewers yeah we do we do so so for you guys and everybody else
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I'm uh I'm a Christian and I'm saving myself for my future wife so oh yeah that's nice
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but but but you weren't always that way I was not always that way absolutely not did you have a phase
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yeah I had a I had a few phases I had a few phases okay my teenage years were uh I was I was an active
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boy and uh in college and stuff yeah okay wow any other questions Brian are any of you saving yourself
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for marriage no Brian no we're active college girls at UCSB I no wait all of you go to UCSB yeah
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yeah quick question on that so do you look down upon men who go to SBCC
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um that's a yes no it depends on the circumstance Hannah why um did she say yes yeah yeah we'll go
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around we'll go around I did one semester there uh I've only had weird interactions with them like
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it's always been a little weird from what I've noticed like every time somebody's from SBCC
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that I've interacted with at least is weird you're you're not the first girl to say that
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I've heard a number of UCSB girls say that
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your take um I've always had good experiences I mean I don't know I feel like the only time I've
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like talked to people who go to SBCC they've been at like Trader Joe's and the Trader Joe's
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workers are always like really cool so like I don't know I have nothing bad to say about them
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I'm gonna agree with Hannah on this one the few interactions that I've had with SBC students
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SBCC students they've been a little bit weird okay I don't want to be like mean is this mean to say
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I just feel like I don't know they're just like UCSB like wannabes like that's like mean but like
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I don't know they've just been weird they've been odd in my opinion um I don't know if like I would
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say like UCSB wannabes like I kind of think like SBCC students kind of like really good you know
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they go to like community college at like a really amazing place and they get to like live in IV which
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is like a college town you know like when I came to UCSB every all of the older students went and told
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me they said that they kind of like come over here and don't respect you know IV as much as um UCSB
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students because they don't like they're not kind of like from here they don't like go to school here
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so like coming to UCSB I came with like that perception um I've definitely had like you know
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both iffy and also like positive experience with SBCC students um but like I feel like that's just
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with anyone but coming in like there is a negative stereotype of people from SBCC unfortunately sorry
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I actually know a lot of guys from SBCC and I feel like for me the reason why like
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they're looked down upon is because a lot of the time with the people that I've met um they'll come
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to SBCC just to party and like to me and me personally that's like I mean we all go to UCSB to
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party like we all party but that's just from the people that I've met that's the reason why they're
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here but I actually know a really good group of guys from SBCC they're smart I mean they like to
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have fun but in terms of starting a relationship with someone if they're here just to party then
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that's kind of a red flag in my eyes can I say something on that of course go ahead Chase so I
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I went to uh Santa Barbara City College for a couple years before I transferred oh no I don't Chase I
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apologize I don't take anything you said to offense it's fine okay um I went there for like two years
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before I transferred to a photography school and like my roommates and I we were like very on top of
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our studies like I really wanted to transfer to UCSB at first but I lived at a dorm complex here
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in IV called Tropicana Gardens oh yeah yep you guys are familiar and like my observation was like
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probably 65 to 70 percent of the dudes that were there like were only here to party the majority of
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them failed like most of their classes their freshman year and then like didn't go back a second year
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so you're probably meeting a bunch of boys like that imagine going to a community college and
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failing out I know so um I have a quick question on that was that like the people who like failed
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and stuff were they oh were they like um from Santa Barbara Community College or like was the majority
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from there like UCSB students all from SBCC SBCC all of them so like kind of like what Jess was saying
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her perception was like a little bit right like correct like that you know majority people come here to
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party because it's IV yeah 100% a lot of people came here just to party and like didn't pay attention
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to their classes at all and then like had to leave because they didn't pass their classes yeah makes
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sense that's like a lot of kids at City College yeah so yeah it really is so I want to ask because
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UCSB Isla Vista it's very much a party school do you think that there's
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a hookup culture in this area yeah definitely okay yeah yeah I mean it's it's pretty bad there's a lot
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there's a lot of like it's just so normalized everybody thinks that it's normal and so everybody
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does it so yeah I agree there's like a huge hookup culture here there's no denying it and like
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thoughts on hookup culture is it a good thing should people just be free to do whatever they
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want you think it's maybe bad that people are deprioritizing long-term serious relationships
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what are your thoughts and I don't know if you want to come back on this or you kind of got your
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I mean I think that it's damaging for people's like I don't think that hookup culture is necessarily
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a good thing I think that it's not good for men or women like it's bad on both parties
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oh is it my turn or did you want to come in I thought you kind of got your piece but
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oh um I don't know I've never participated in it because I've been pretty much dating someone
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like all like the whole time I've been in IV but I think it's like all right as long as like both
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people agree like that's what they want um I feel like coming into UCSB like as a freshman it's like
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really fun because like that's what like everyone's like oh like college experience like hookups like
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it's fun at first but then it just kind of gets old because I feel like people just don't get out
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of that and like people just don't it just seems at least at UCSB or in Isla Vista like relationships
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are not really a thing here at least from what I've seen so I personally do not like it and I
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am kind of done participating in it um but that's just my opinion UCSB is heavily hookup culture yeah
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yeah kind of like on that I feel like what ends up happening is that I think like maybe for both
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like girls and I mean I can't comment on guys but like for girls too you go in and you think that you
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know you know UCSB is like a big hookup culture so then you're not really sure um like if you get
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involved with someone what they think so then you get a lot more like situationships or something like
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that and it becomes like very confusing and if it's like mutual it's fine but going and finding out
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like what the other person wants like it can be a very very confusing area and like you know kind
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of like you were commenting on like it's definitely like can be fun at first but I feel like that's
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kind of like you know the parties at UCSB like you go to frat parties and it's fun at first and then
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eventually just like oh this is like not really fulfilling and I definitely think that you have
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that at UCSB where eventually just not as fulfilling as like a relationship would be
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I think with hookup culture what people don't realize is IV is small and um 99% of the time if
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you're hooking up with someone they have hooked up with one of your friends and I agree with all these
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girls I think hookup culture is fun and fresh for a good time but it definitely gets old and I don't
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know it really depends on communication and what you want and what you get out of it because no one has
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to participate in hookup culture but it gets a little tiring at first and yeah Tanner your thoughts
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yeah I mean hookup culture is definitely alive and well in Santa Barbara um and then you know it's
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kind of like dating here it's most like you know I love this to women and you know UCSB women and
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whatnot and it's um you know I've had my share of it and it's uh for sure there's nothing casual about
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casual sex like it definitely takes a little part of your soul um every time you do it it's um a lot
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people think it's like liberating and fun and everything but just like having some like I don't
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know like 22 year old like senior frat dude um that's just like a douchebag fucking like rail you
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out like you're not going to get anything from that like it's it's awful it's going to take some of your
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soul every time you do it so it's a good point yeah I uh so I didn't become a Christian until my
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sophomore year of college so when I went into college as a freshman I was like very excited to play
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the field so to speak um and I I realized by the end of my freshman year like hookup culture is very
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like empty uh at the end of my freshman year I fell like madly in love with a girl and we had like a
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very deep relationship and we ended up breaking up later that summer after the freshman year because
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she had to move back home to another country and when I got back to my sophomore year here like I had
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like no interest in hookup culture at all like once you've had something really deep that's like
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really meaningful like casually hooking up with someone I don't know to me like it's just it's
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not interesting you know so and I I think it is you know I I talked about this in the last podcast I
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think it is damaging for people like people get really hurt very easily you know like kind of what
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you were talking about with like situationships like I don't know I've just seen a lot of people
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get hurt and uh it's a bummer you know yeah what do you think Brian well I'm gonna share my
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thoughts a little bit on this a bit after I get through a couple questions but uh overall I would
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say I don't think hookup culture is a good thing I think people should be free to do whatever they
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want but uh I don't know I don't think it's good I don't think it's good the nuclear family okay
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amen super based saving the west one meme at a time yes keep those red pills coming lads so
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what is sort of on the topic of hookup culture what is a fuck boy I want you guys to define it for me
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because there's different definitions so go ahead me first oh my god I feel like I feel like Jackie
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would have a really good definition oh thank you okay why don't we do this Jackie you come on in
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and then we'll sounds good um I would say a fuck boy would be someone that doesn't really have any
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regard towards the person that they're I guess you could say like fucking with I guess like they just
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don't really they don't really have regards to towards how the other person is feeling and they're
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just kind of in it just kind of for the like initial um pleasure and then just kind of moving on so I
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would just say it's someone I mean it's not really it's kind of a derogatory term but I would say
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there are people in Isla Vista that you can define as fuck boys and also people that um kind of have
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you know casual sex very very often do you guys feel like you know a lot of girls who have been used
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and hurt by fuck boys absolutely oh also to add on that one oh sorry no you go ahead no are you sure
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okay go ahead yeah okay um I would say also I've noticed that some like I guess you could say
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fuck boys like kind of use emotion as like a as kind of like a reel so they like reel a girl in
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with emotion and then they'll just like get what they want and then they'll just they'll just leave
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so I think that's kind of malicious like they like emotionally manipulate girls exactly precisely
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that yeah there's a lot of guys that do that yeah it's fucked up yeah it's messed up so do any of the
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girls other girls want to come in on defining a fuck boy anybody
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can you guys say what years you are in college like sophomores juniors
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yeah who wants to start um just start from here and go around I'm a third year okay I'm also a third
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year third year um yeah third year too third year and all you guys are under 21 right yeah unfortunately
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sadly um honestly um as far as just the first like few questions where it just comes to casual
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sex stuff like I'm very surprised at your guys answers honestly just from my experience of like you
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know dating mostly like in Santa Barbara and you know like you know UCSB women like that stuff I was
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very very surprised did you like assume we were older no no I assumed that you guys were all within
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the ages of you know probably like 19 to like 21 or something like that okay UCSB age yeah yeah
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Tanner what just say what were you assuming yeah I was assuming like like when Chase and I were on
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here like last time um they're like totally liberated like hey go do whatever you want like
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get railed out by as many people as you want doesn't matter like it just totally open and honest
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about it like no shame totally different panel of women completely so right here can I add a comment
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on that I think um I've seen a lot of girls get really hurt in terms of how guys speak about women
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women a lot of times when a girl will hook up with a guy and say like let's say they get attached
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guys will use that to their advantage to look cool not every guy of course not generalizing but I have
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heard a lot of guys talk about she's obsessed with me just because she wants to hook up another time
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or if a girl wants something more than just hooking up it's almost a red flag in a girl and I've only
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witnessed that in Isla Vista everywhere else like my hometown any other city I've never seen
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guys talk about girls like that wait how specifically can you give us an example how
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specifically are they talking oh in terms of what well you you mentioned that something about you
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dislike the way guys talk about girls or can you give us an example yeah um just let's say okay
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there's a guy hooking up with a girl the girl just wants to casually hook up not necessarily settle down
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or anything he goes and tells his guy friends she's obsessed with me she wants to keep hooking up
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with me she's going to parties just to like find me stuff like that and seeing it as somewhat of a red
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flag even though she just has genuine interest in him is this first-hand experience oh yeah um first-hand
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experience for some of my best friends okay yeah very common okay so when when you say it's like kind of a
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red flag for these guys is it the kind of thing where it makes them pull away from the girls or
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yeah I've seen multiple of my guy friends cut girls off completely because she wants to consistently
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hook up not even because they want a relationship just because they want to consistently hook up and
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things get awkward right can I ask a question here is is this is this like obsession so to speak or
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infatuation with guys do you see this developing in girls after they have sex with the guys or is this
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kind of thing happening before they have sex with them too after yep yeah yep you know what I mean
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yeah of course of course do you guys think do you guys think women fall in love with guys way quicker
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after they've had sex with them like do you guys notice yourselves developing feelings for guys like
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very quickly after you guys have had sex no so the bonding hormone like it can go either way it's
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oxytocin and women release I think it's like three times more oxytocin than men do when they have
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sex I didn't know so yeah that's why we're saying like last night the statistical data saying like
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hey they're more likely to get a divorce be unhappy in a marriage the more partners that they have
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that's like one reason because they're releasing more oxytocin and they can't release as much
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oxytocin the more and more that they sleep with somebody casually so that's what I'm saying like
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there's nothing casual about casual sex you're always gonna take a little video amen I have to say
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even if it was like I got I kind of disagree with you a little bit Tanner let's hear it I know some ladies
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they be fucking they don't they don't give a fuck they'll hook up with the guy next boom on to the
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next one slept with 100 dudes don't care so but I think I do agree with you that
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it's a bit more for women like they'll bond a bit more more likely to from sex with like that too when
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you went and said like you know girls like you've had that experience or like you've seen girls do
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that I mean I've seen a lot of guys do that like I think it goes both ways you know um from like you
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know go and hook up with a lot of guys or like go and have sex with one and just like move on to the
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other like it goes both ways like guys do it too yeah um and I think like from not like personal
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experience but from like a lot of friends um the girls who I know who do that it's because they
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become really or in the past they've had an experience where they actually did get really
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attached to someone and they were heartbroken because you know the guy fucked over like the
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fucked up or like you know it didn't end well and because of that they said you know it kind of goes
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back to that click that you said like when you find that click like it's very like suddenly it
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hookups don't become fulfilling but sometimes you just get what like you click with someone you know
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what's the click like you just feel so uh it's difficult to explain but like articulate it
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you feel like so connected with someone that you're like oh this is what it means to be in love
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you know this is like who I want to spend you know this is what it means like the movies you know like
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this is like what it means to fall in love but isn't something that can occur very early on and you
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use the word in love yeah so that's kind of what it kind of goes back to like you know maybe girls like
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feeling attached or like you know even guys like for my from you know some experiences like if you feel
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like really attached to someone and then maybe you've had like a bad experience of them and time
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passes on you're like oh this is I'm not going to be able to get back what I found in the past
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and that fear kind of drives people to maybe like hooking up or like you know just because they think
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that they're not going to be able to re-experience what they have already experienced that's a good
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that makes sense yeah that does do you guys see like girls that you know like if let's say they get
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fucked over in a relationship and they're with a they're with a fuck boy he uses them and they were
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like really attached to them and then they get burned do you notice them like getting over that
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by getting under somebody else pretty quickly does that happen yes I think also that's like
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you know that's also I think that's very common at UCSB and you could see like a lot of like
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a lot of people encourage that too like maybe it goes back to like you know the UCSB like you know
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hookup culture and stuff but that is very common like if you do feel attached then usually the
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immediate kind of like um the route that you go the path that you go is okay let's go and hook up and
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let's try to forget about someone that way but eventually like I feel like what ends up happening
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is you go down that road of like you know hot girl summer like you know the ho phase and then
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you find out in the end oh this actually isn't really getting me anywhere like I'm not being
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fulfilled this way I mean honestly like the best way to negate all that kind of like heartache is
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just like don't sleep with people right away I mean that literally that's it because like one guy
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might be super motivated to like okay I'm gonna do a couple dates or do whatever I can with a couple
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times if they if they walk away after like three or four times just because like they're not getting
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laid and like make those moves and whatnot the best way to negate like all that is just like don't sleep
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with them be like hey like straight up and forward like what are you looking for what do you want
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where do you see yourself in the future um like that's the way to do it and if they walk away it
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might seem like a lot of guys are going to be blowing you off and whatnot but like hey good you know
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and I definitely agree with that but you know it kind of goes back to like the UCSB like the culture as a
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whole like you go and you have like a lot of sometimes I would even say maybe pressure to
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to go and like start like engage in that hookup culture like especially after you're heartbroken
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and sometimes it can be like you know maybe peer pressure too and that is true you know it definitely
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is a solution it's so obvious and yet you know you are who you surround yourself with and if we're in
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this culture sometimes maybe you feel that pressure to act a certain way and then you think too because
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so many people have done it oh this will help me out you know so you know there's a lot of dudes
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like a lot of guys in Santa Barbara there's not a lot of men and I will tell you at least looking at
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at least from like the um Chase and I we talk about this like all the time is it like I'm telling you
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guys right now we can change culture like one person at a time our attitudes our actions we can
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absolutely change culture like it it is culture it is up to us yeah to do that I have a question with
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with you saying that how would you think would be the best way to do that to change the culture
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as you guys you know you guys are men right I I got something for this please do you guys know who
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Andrew Tate is oh my oh yes oh yeah the great the great top g Andrew Tate his recommendation
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his suggestion perfect I don't know if it's the right move he said the way to fix all the world's
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problems his words not mine is put a woman's body count on her forehead and that'll fix everything
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oh thank you so much that was that was so helpful that was so helpful so I'm gonna open it up to you
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guys do you think that that would fix a lot of problems I would like to comment on this with guys
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too because there's a lot of guys that will have their hoe phase too I think just because someone
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had a hoe phase in college doesn't mean that they aren't worth loving when they're in that period later
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in life and I think Andrew Tate is referring to people in college and younger people when looking
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for people to hook up with or people to get in a relationship with but if you take his claim towards
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just all women in general everyone has those periods in their life you know it not everyone
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not everyone not yet you're correct like I should not generalize but a lot of people have those times
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in their life and I don't think men or women should be judged for that so that's I mean I don't know it
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depends on the person too like if you're not okay with it then you're not meant to like talk to that
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person and then you find someone that you know matches your ideals a little bit more
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and even like before I have you guys come in I just want to go around the panel on that so
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do you think that that would solve all the world's problems if we put the body count on the floor not
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my word that's Andrew Tate's suggestion you guys know he got banned so maybe he could be wrong he got
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yeah I got he got canceled so uh thoughts thoughts on that go ahead um yeah I think that's completely
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superficial and not important when you're talking to people I think that I think that body counts a
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social construct in general I don't think it's productive what it body counts a social construct
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yeah I think that people put a lot of social importance on it and when it it's to me and I
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think to a lot of other people it's not important like it doesn't it doesn't matter
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I I agree with her we had a conversation like this when we were driving to a concert
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um and I agree I think that like body count it's interesting how it refers to like how many people
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you've had sex with not like how many times you've had sex why is that because like I mean one body is
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one body right yeah I mean like someone could have sex like seven times and with like seven
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different people and their body count would be seven whereas like someone could have sex like
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a hundred times with like one person and like in societal eyes it still deems them like less
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respectable let me ask you let me ask you a question let me ask you a question let's say let's say you
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have two people right both of them have had sex a thousand times one of those people has had sex a
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thousand times with one person the other person has had sex a thousand times with 300 total
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different people do you think there's going to be differences in the way those two people develop
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as people because of how many people they've had sex with like do you think the person who's had sex
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with one person a thousand times versus 300 different people that might change the way that they grow
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and develop and look at the world or is it the same um I think it I think it depends on like a lot of
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different things like I don't know like it depends a lot on like they're your like relationship status
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like what's your relationship like and like also like what the person wants to do and like the
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context with it but um yeah I don't think that like it's something that people should be like judged for
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like we're not talking about judgment here like so the reason why I asked you that question is
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because I think if somebody's had sex with 300 different people the way that they approach relationships
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the way that they approach trusting other people their ability to bond with other people I think
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is going to be like severely affected versus if you if you've only ever had sex with one person like
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if you've only ever had sex with one person and they've been faithful to you their whole life
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like you're probably going to have a very solid relationship with them but if you've been with 300
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different people you're probably going to have a lot of baggage probably a lot of emotional trauma
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potentially you might not look at sex as like a very intimate thing you know like it I don't know
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it just like loses its like sacredness to me you know I think it would really change a person
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a lot I want to open it back up to the question I was previously asking if you want to yeah so do
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you want to respond to chase first I think it's a good point yeah I have nothing to say
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um okay well if we're talking about body count on the forehead on the forehead is that the solution
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the world needs maybe to Andrew Tate yes but to the rest of society I feel like it's definitely a
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no um I I don't think that everybody should know how many people that you slept with I feel like
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that's kind of your personal information and for you and you only right I mean unless you'd like to
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share it then obviously that's great right if a guy asked you your body count like a potential
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romantic partner would you refuse to answer that question um I think it depends on the
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relationship that you have with that person I mean if it's just like someone that you're going
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to hook up with and they ask you well what's your body count to me that's a little bit disrespectful
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because it's like well I mean if it's like established that we're just hooking up like once
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kind of thing it's like why are you asking but if it's someone that you're kind of looking to start
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a really serious relationship with I think it's a valid question I think that's like a piece of
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information that maybe they should know so to answer your question no I don't think it's a good
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solution um I would definitely agree with that I don't think it's the best solution I think what
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it'd end up doing is that it'd lead people to kind of like be judged before you actually get to know
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them like I definitely came to UCSB with like for example a perception of let's say frat guys like
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all they want to go and do is like hook up with people they don't really want a genuine
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relationship they're not like genuine or down to earth and it actually wasn't until like recently
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that I found out like oh that's actually not true and because I came in with like that initial
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perception it definitely affected of how I treated other people or how I you know perceive different
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people and how I acted with them so I think that really if you go and get to know a person without
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kind of just like initially judging them especially based off of the body count it can maybe help you
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form like maybe a a relationship that's a little bit deeper obviously like eventually like it would
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be good to know but it does depend on like what you are looking for in a person if you are looking
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for a relationship then I think it's a very like you know a question that obviously can go and come up
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but like for the initial um initially just knowing like right there on your forehead I think it would
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just end up causing like a lot of prejudice um yeah I don't think it's the solution I don't think it would
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solve all the world's problems I personally think I think communication is the solution but if
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someone asked me I disagree with what um she said over there if someone asked me what my body count
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is I would I would tell them I mean if they react poorly to it then I'm not going to hook up with
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them you know that's I feel like that's a huge red flag but I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of I
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mean I've done what I've done and there's no point in like trying to hide that or pretend that it
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is something bad I think it'd be beneficial um I think that if you know people were to say if
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I was just looking for somebody to hook up with and they're like oh like you and me we're the same
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or people were looking for somebody that's a little bit more stable and some more serious
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they could like immediately tell that no it would save a lot of time but like I have a question can
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I follow up on that of course so you went and said if you're looking to hook up so like I think maybe
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like you know the body count versus someone who's looking to hook up is different because for
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example you were saying Chase that you were a different person freshman year so maybe your
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body count's like really high but now you're a different person so if you just went and had
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like that number on your forehead they're going to be perceive you or judge you based off of your past
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actions and not based off your actions today so maybe that's like obviously it would be really
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simple you know it's kind of like if every girl and guy like got introduced and a guy knew oh she's
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into me because she said oh I'm into you why don't we like start that instead of maybe playing them
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obviously that would be make a you know be really helpful for everyone so is that kind of what you mean
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maybe the body count or kind of like going and talking to him saying hey are you just in it to
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hook up or do you actually maybe want to start something a little bit more serious I mean part
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of it is like atonement you know for like what you've done but then also it could just be someone
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they like they see it and then for somebody that's just like hard no and that's just that for somebody
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they might be like hey you might have had some kind of phase might have done something but I can get
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over that I can talk to you I can like you as a person get over that but I mean for some people
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they're going to be able to do that for some people are not going to be able to you know and for them
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like then that's cut and dry right there like if somebody wants to make that assumption and be
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like absolutely not like right there no and then that's on them if somebody wants to be like hey
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this could still be a good person whatnot then you know that's on them yeah so before I answer that
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question Brian can I ask you to flesh out why Andrew Tate thinks that putting body counts on
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people's foreheads would solve all the world's problems you know what I don't recall precisely his
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reasoning I just remember the uh I just remember the quip that he made so I know and I don't want
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to misspeak for him so well I vaguely recall hearing a clip where he was talking about this and
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basically it came down to the the more people that you have sex with in your lifetime like we talked
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about in the last episode that we did you know by the way can I just ask you do you think we should
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because we've talked about body counts so much do you think we should try to cover tonight do you
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think we should try to cover some other topics or yeah I think that's a good idea like not stay
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on it too long I think I think we fixated on it for a while last time and I think there's a lot of
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other topics definitely cover so we'll touch it on it a bit but then we'll try to move on yeah so
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so from what I understand Andrew Tate's perspective for like why he said that um my so I personally I
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personally when I'm thinking about like the kind of woman that I want to marry like how many men she's
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slept with matters to me because they've done studies and the more people that a person has sex with in
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their lifetime it significantly increases their chances of getting divorced what'd you say oxytocin like
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I was saying before the amount of oxytocin they release yeah I think I think it desensitizes you
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to like if you've if you've slept with like 100 people when you're releasing that bonding hormone
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if you've released it with 100 people I think it's going to like significantly desensitize
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your ability to connect with like another person in that deep intimate way and I think that's important
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like I personally believe that God created our bodies to release that hormone so that we can deeply
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connect with another person and like really have like a close connection with them and I think when
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people sleep with a lot of people long term you kind of lose some of that and uh you know divorce
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rates have increased in the past few decades here in California it's like 50 percent I really care
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about like people having healthy marriages like I really want to have one my parents did not have one
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it sucked um and I think that like a lot of the world's problems come from uh the fact that you know
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people are they have broken families and when it comes to putting body counts on people's foreheads
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like let me ask you guys this like as as women would you feel judged if your body counts were on your
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foreheads yes okay do you think it might entice you to sleep with less men if that was the situation
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yes I don't think that's a fair question at all why oh why not I said yes well I just think that
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it like when you're talking about body count especially because most of us said that that is
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not the way the two men at the table seemed to agree with that statement I think that body counts
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disproportionately have a negative effect on women than they do men for sure have a negative effect
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on men in the sense that men feel pressured to have higher body counts women feel pressured to have
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lower body counts and I just think that that's like I don't know it's just it's it's not you're
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right it is an unfair question because there's a double standard there it's absolutely unfair but
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the question was if if we did live in a world where your body count was broadcasted do you think it would
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motivate you to sleep with less men I think I think it depends on the person I mean
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to go back to what she said there is a double standard and so if you were to say guys versus
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girls guys have a body count on their head and girls have a body count on their head in my opinion
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I think that it would make the men just be like oh yeah great like let's just keep going and then
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it would make the girls because of the double standard be like well absolutely not I don't want
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people to think that I sleep around like there's such a negative stereotype behind that so I think it
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would have a different effect for boys and for girls so yeah I mean they'd kind of eat their own
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like again if a guy was like oh I'm just gonna like rack up this body count and then again with
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changing culture and influence and whatnot it could be like yo that's disgusting like not gonna sleep
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with you and then hey any woman that again like wants to do that like hey go for it but then it
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would just separate people based on what they like and what they value you know I think that oh no go
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ahead go ahead I was gonna say I think that's actually like I don't know the more I think about it the
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more I realize like how negative it is because like I think the reason and we talked about this in the
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car too the reason why like men care I think at least like about low body counts is because I
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think they like I'm not saying this is all men but I'm saying that a lot of men like to have that
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like sense of ownership like oh like this is like untouched like no one else like saw this besides me
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you know and I think that's like for men I think that's like such a I think it would like if that
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were if like my body count was broadcasted on my forehead or like any what girls was then I think
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that would like just create more of like this society where like men feel ownership over women
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that's an interesting take I wasn't expecting that last part you know what let's um we can maybe come
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back a little bit to body count stuff but let's read a couple chats here so uh we got some super chats
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let's let's go um let's see here okay we got mike davis the five dollar soup chat guys just
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heads up uh mike davis is the homie but we're doing I told you to wear a tank top chase I mean you
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should have worn a tank but um super chats are 10 and up to be uh read and responded to but uh we will
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display all super chats in stream overlay uh chase holding the mic tight those forearms looking buff we
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already know they get the daily workout that's true a daily workout i do get my daily workout
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mike i take some days off though okay appreciate the compliment bro uh edward edward scornfield with
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the ten dollar soup chat appreciate it man thank you do women allow athletic masculine men to break
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rules and make rules for more better men if beta beta i think it's beta yeah english is my second
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language um if a man is not physically gifted are you less likely to let him cheat than the man who is
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physically gifted so i think a better way to phrase that would be do women allow high value high
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status men to break more rules and do they do women do you guys make more rules for like
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dudes that are lower on the food chain we'll go around on that one we'll go around we'll start over
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here i don't think so my standards are my standards like i don't really care who you are like you're
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gonna meet them or you're not um i think that like high achieving men i think they are almost like
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more able to like break more rules just because like i don't know like a lot of women appreciate
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like the security that comes with like that like high achieving men so i think they're like a little
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scared to leave them but like i think when it comes to respect like no i don't i wouldn't respect
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like a high achieving man who cheated on me versus like a low achieving man yeah i completely agree
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with that i mean like what kind of just came to my head right now would just be maybe like people like
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really good athletes or like celebrities or just really rich people maybe because those people have
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higher statuses right and like while that's cool and all i i definitely don't think that that has
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anything to do with like what makes it okay if they cheat on you or not because at the end of the day
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they're a person and you have to realize that they're like a person and if you're like dating
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them then that kind of status i feel like wouldn't really have much of an effect on like the deep and
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intimate relationships that you would have so i i don't yeah i don't think it's i don't think that
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that makes it okay if like a high status person does something wrong um to be completely honest um i think
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that it's easy to definitely say that and i wish it was like that and i definitely think that you know
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personality is a really really big factor especially when you get into relationships
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but i think the initial um interaction girls will have a guy like physical like it is it is pretty
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important like i've heard multiple multiple girls i mean especially guys i'm sure do the same thing
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they're like oh who's that girl and you first go like oh can i see an instagram picture of them
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you know it is like it is normal for people to just go and judge based off of looks you know we can't
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deny that i don't think anyone can deny that so if you kind of mean like physically gifted
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like you know um i definitely think that initially people will tend to allow guys to break those rules
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and i think it goes back to you know even the perception of like frats like over here at ucsb
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ato kind of has this perception of going and being like you know really really hot guys you know are in
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ato and then girls even though they're aware of that um they still kind of go to those frats and
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even though they know maybe those guys might not be like the best um they'll still go and like allow
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them to kind of break rules at least initially of course like once that happens and you experience
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that it does hurt like that feeling of getting hurt then you will go and say like you know when you get
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into like an intimate relationship that's also when you want something more and i kind of think it goes
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back to like that hookup culture where initially being like hooking up is like it might seem fun but
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like after a while like it's just so unfulfilling just like you know being unfulfilled like you want
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something more than just someone who's attractive but you also want to get into a deeper level
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we have a clarifying super chat here from edward and scored edward scornfield no no no intrigue
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intrinsically they want strong masculine men first forget the status so i think chase yeah he's
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he's he's correcting me he's correct yeah he said he specifically does want to know about
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the strong masculine my apologies for correct thinking i was correcting what you said edward well
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i was i mean i was thinking along the same lines of that's maybe a this is his original one a better
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way to get at the women's willingness to uh oh wait this is not the original one sorry hold on it's this
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one two there's he's sending a lot thank you edward really appreciate it man um so if a man is not
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physically gifted are you less likely to let him cheat than the man who is physically gifted um i feel
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like you more often hear that less i think you weren't wrong to ask that though because i think you
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more often see that coming from men with a lot of status so like a famous athlete or musician or
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whatever a guy who's i mean i suppose a guy who's in exceptionally good shape he's going to be
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perceived as more attractive so he could potentially get away with more but i mean i think like in in
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college settings like the alpha jock dudes are probably going to get away with a lot more rule
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breaking but like out in the real world those dudes like aren't as relevant to like women like grown women
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there's still a lot of chicks that go for them but like in the in the real world like of adults and
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stuff like it's typically like the presidents and the billionaires and the professional athletes and
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the the movie stars that are you know they've got a girlfriend or a wife and they're they have tons
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of affairs and their girlfriend or wife just lets them get away with all of it you know and that's like
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a good point that you make too and it's like you know back to that like ucsb culture so like over
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here i definitely think ucsb is a bubble like ivy is a bubble you know like if you also let's just
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just because we have viewers that aren't really in the area i'd say let's try not to let's maybe
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avoid the nuances of dating and i know i asked that question initially but um i think overall let's
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just try to keep things more general okay yeah so um sorry um yeah so maybe like going back to like
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what i think that they went and perceived or what that question actually entailed about like that strong
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masculinity i would have to maybe say like it actually doesn't matter because i think every
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single girl has like a type like i was very surprised like going and finding out my friends
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types like for me like you know i was like oh like or i was very surprised to find out some of my
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friends types that was not what i perceived like every girl's attracted to something differently
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that doesn't mean just because like you see in movies oh girls are really you know attracted to
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just like very strong masculine guys that's actually not true like some girls are attracted to like
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you know the exact opposite or maybe there's some women's that are attracted to a fet weak men
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yes actually you would be surprised i mean like the artsy chicks like yeah like skinny white guys
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like that's a like so many of my friends it's a huge thing it's like a trend right now it's like
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skinny white guys skinny white guys like tall skinny yes oh my god yeah okay it's like a trend
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like there was even a comment that said it was like if you're handsome enough they'll let you do it
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and that is 100 true and it goes both ways too because i mean you'll even see dudes that
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yeah say you know even taking out looks away from it like that are high value where you know this
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chick could not have a lot going for but just very good looking and do just like throwing themselves
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under the bus and like dropping tons of money on them and they just like trample them and treat
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them like shit and there's zero self-respect no i mean it definitely goes both ways there's no doubt
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in my mind that the more attractive that you are um the more physically fit you are the more you can
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get away with there's there's no debate about it anthony or sorry anthony i don't know where i'm
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sorry edward scornfield speaking of athletes uh junior soprano left a comment these girls never had
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the makings of a varsity athlete um excuse me sir i played varsity volleyball okay that that's thanks
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that's from junior soprano the uh boss of the de mio crime family in oh new jersey is it because
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we don't like is it because we're not is he saying that we don't look like we're varsity
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athletes is that is that what he's saying you know what i don't want to speak for mr soprano
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of course not right he's saying that i mean did you guys play uh lacrosse or anything i played
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varsity volleyball so he's not talking about me or any sports i got a varsity letter for managing the
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for managing what for managing yeah so you just stood there no no no i like booked their like
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little golf did you did you play one time but i threw the driver when i so you did the thing
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it was bad okay that works uh what about you uh yeah i actually was a golfer so maybe maybe you
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would have managed me okay and then you said i already said my piece um i was on the swim team
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and also yeah varsity tennis in my high school i never did sports i was always working full time
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so unfortunately i never had the chance to okay so junior soprano um he's wrong sorry i you you
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misread you misread you know i i have a question for hannah based on what she was saying a second ago
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so you mentioned that women let the dudes at the ato frat get away with breaking i'm not i meant like
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you mentioned that they women let them get away with breaking way more rules why is that i think
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it goes back to what you're saying tanner like it is like you know back what i was saying like
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i mean everyone like i'm not going to generalize but a lot of people will go and have like an initial
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judgment and how you judge someone is by the first interaction you have them and to be honest if
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you're not talking to that person it is going to be about their physical appearance like that's
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just like you know society has normalized that that is normalized and you know we could is ato like the
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most handsome frat is that what it is um i don't know but that has you have like that you know i'm
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now we're talking about like ucsb in general but like if like you are at school like a university and
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you go and you have like you know greek life at ucsb greek life isn't that big but um or not big
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not as big as like in different schools but you know there is like greek ranking and then like you
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know if you go and have a top frats and you would maybe assume but i mean yeah i mean i'm just gonna
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leave it at that wait uh really quick just around the table uh are any of you in a sorority
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not anymore not as of recent well i haven't sent my official um letter of dropping but but no i
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yeah okay um i'm an akio yeah is that oh you go ahead i'm in a sorority i'm also in a professional
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business fraternity okay nice cool cool were you guys all part of the same sorority yes sir
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are you guys all leaving for the same reason yes sir can you share why well i mean it's not like a
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specific reason honestly like we had a great two years like you know we all lived in our sorority
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which one kappa kappa kappa gamma wait um wait so sorry you're axo right yes so for now you're i'm alpha
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delta pi oh and then kappa what kappa kappa gamma kkg who the fuck is that guy okay i don't know any
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you've never heard of kappa really i mean i'm i've heard of axo no okay well i mean sorry there's
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no kappa kappa kappa oh okay it's okay you're not offended oh wait that's kkk
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i didn't i didn't mean to kkg kkg okay kkg we edward we're gonna get to your edward's been blasting
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the super chats i think the whole show is probably just gonna be edward super
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edward really appreciate it we got the we're gonna continue on with his super chats though um
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okay so uh body count simply represents a woman's capacity to defer gratification it's a gauge to
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determine whether a woman has self-control as it relates to external validation less problems thank
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you for the ten dollar super chat there edward um you got another one your actions yesterday will say
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a lot about what you'll do tomorrow it's why no woman no women on this podcast right now would marry
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an ex-prison inmate uh thank you edward for the ten dollar super chat okay we're gonna touch on that
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super chat really quick just bring it back to body counting for a second then go back to the super chats
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so past is the past right i think that's kind of where you guys were getting at body count i think
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overwhelmingly you guys said body count shouldn't matter is that correct show of hands really quick
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body count shouldn't matter it shouldn't but it does it what it shouldn't but it okay i see what
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you mean um so past if the past doesn't matter then just curious and you saw in the super chat would
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you date a guy who's uh previously went to prison felon committed a couple uh you know let's say
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white collar crime so some tax evasion some tax fraud maybe uh you know what some some casual fraud
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you know the small things the usual the small things i didn't kill anybody but but he he he's a felon
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he went to prison would you would that deter you um i would not date him no but i don't think you
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compare you can't compare that to having sex that is two totally different things but that is one
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past and then having sex is another past that's very they're kind of different why how so i don't
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know if they're that different yeah how are they different it's somebody's it's somebody's past you
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know they're both crimes you guys were saying you guys were saying you shouldn't judge somebody
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based on their past okay that doesn't change their value as a person or anything like that
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if they did something like that why do you feel like you can write somebody off for you know a
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white collar crime i'm not saying that i would write them off completely i think it would definitely
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give me some hesitations and i'm not sure that i would want to date somebody that's committed a
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felony depending on whatever that situation is i just think that those are two very different
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questions like what's her body count was he in prison so i have a good i'll have i'll redo the
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question i have something that'll work but just really quick um yes or no would you date a guy
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with a criminal past yes or no with a white collar crime criminal past um let's say he was an
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amazing guy what's white collar again so so like like like this is this is different from like
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like beating and robbing somebody it's like it's like doing tax fraud or like stuff like that yeah
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i would i think casual embezzlement like just embezzling funds you know um i don't know it's
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like drug manufacturing how about that that's like a more proper that's a proper crime i think it's
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kind of like methamphetamine i mean that shows that they're smart okay yes it's kind of hot yes yes or
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no um it depends on what they did leaning towards no but like a tax fraud okay i'd have to agree with
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that answer it definitely depends on the crime i agree it depends on the fair enough so i'm gonna
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uh sort of alter the question a little bit would you date sleep with hook up with whatever would
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you date a guy that previously had slept with men i don't know i don't i'm i mean i probably wouldn't
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know like i i don't feel like he like owes that to me to say i don't know i probably i've never been
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in that situation i don't know what i would do so so let me okay let me try to let me try to
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grease it a little bit um you're about to hook up with a new guy he reveals to you that last tuesday
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eduardo was balls deep in him and he was receiving
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in the process is he saying this like are we getting ready or is it like we're at dinner
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what like it would be completely different if like if we were already in bed and he was like yeah i just
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had sex with a guy last week i would be like okay maybe it's like a mutual friend you found out
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oh if it's a mutual friend now never okay not a mutual friend just you heard it through the
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grapevine this guy he he's hooking up with other dude he's hooking he's by he's hooking up with
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dudes okay do you question do you have hesitations there no not really okay so you'd sleep with the
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guy who's by yeah okay that's that's fine just yeah yeah i would okay so he was just getting he
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was in i don't know how is it okay if i'm graphic with you guys yeah okay so he's he's bent over in
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doggy style position and just this uh he's and there's a bear i don't know if you guys are familiar
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with gay terms but he's the guy's a bear it's like a big big guy you know with anyways i'm not okay
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let's just visualize visualize he's bent over this is this is your guy this is your
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man and he's getting fucked in the ass i just i want to know is that kind of you know like a
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little you feel a certain type of way about that i think that um i have never been in that situation
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i'm not gonna lie there would definitely be hesitations especially you know with this graphic
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um image that you've now put in my head definitely hesitations it would depend on how attracted i am
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i mean if he's just this like goddess looking guy just like extremely hot i mean i i don't think i
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would skinny artsy white guy i'm not really into skinny oh i thought you said that that was like the
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thing it's a trend but it's not it's not mine no not for me not for me okay got it but if he was
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relatively attractive like not relatively if he was really attractive then yes but if he was just
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kind of mad just kind of something that i was doing casually like definitely not no it depends
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on the person okay um i think it also depends on the panel of girls you're asking like for me for
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example i'm for me i just like into straight guys like i personally wouldn't but obviously like i still
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have like a lot of friends who are a lot more open you know so would definitely be into that um so for
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you it'd be a deal breaker it would just be no for me but that's just me you know yeah it's just who
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you connect with you know but that's his past right well yeah but that it's his past but i mean
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that's just part of his body count but yeah of course but sometimes it just goes and depends like
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who you're attracted to what you're attracted to like i don't really know if that has to do with
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like the body count per se okay me personally apparently this is an unpopular opinion across
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the board but i think if a guy's bisexual i have no problem with that as long as he communicates
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it with me and just a little bit closer towards you um sorry is this better just scoot it to the
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edge of the table yeah there you go but yeah i'm if we communicate and if he's being safe and he's
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using protection i have no problem with it i mean if he's bisexual i'd be like that's great like thank
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you for sharing that with me i'd rather he'd be honest and then we talk through it and if he's a
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good guy i'd be fine with it uh we just had a walk in we just had a walk and then the bath in there
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uh all right there's a lot of super chats here guys so i need to just get through them really quick
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edward sorry i'm gonna try to get through as many of these as i can
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all right edward edward why don't we just have edward just come on the show
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he really wants to be on the show thursday can you make it to santa barbara sba we've got an
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report okay um so okay we were the most avoided topic in intersectional dynamics is the alpha what
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wait oh alpha fucks beta bucks dilemma i hope you guys discuss the first super chat it's a fundamental
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problem uh thank you edward for the i thought we did i think edward super chat didn't we yeah i think
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we did um was that an old super chat that he said right here this is just a follow-up on the most
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avoided topic intersectional alpha fucks beta bucks yeah we did talk a little bit when we pretty we
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talked a bit about that thank you edward we've got another one here from edward thank you edward for
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the uh ten dollar super chat much appreciated um let's see no no oh wait okay we got this one
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edward scornfield ten dollar super chat is it understandable for men who aren't physically
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gifted who become a someone through hard work to not take women seriously is it understandable for
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men who aren't physically gifted here's i want to i want to respond to this i want to respond to this
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edward i will say this as somebody who's spent years working on myself um there's a lot of like
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younger girls that i don't take seriously from like a dating and marriage perspective because like
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i have high standards and and i know what i want in a wife and there's a lot of women that aren't up to
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par you know with that and i don't take women like that seriously from a dating perspective from a
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general life perspective i think that you should still take people like that seriously so i would say
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as far as not being physically gifted um i can definitely say you know for a lot of women like
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first thing it will say look for a man is like height right there's nothing that you can do about
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height but what you can do is you can always do something about your physique you can always work
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out i mean browse anywhere on social media and you see people you know in like you know in
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wheelchairs like doing pull-ups and whatnot like great for them like you can always do something
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about how you look you can always do something about how much money you make you can always be a
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more interesting person um listen to podcasts read books like is that there's there's no such
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like a lot of men you know that again like are incels and whatnot a lot of them are doing that
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like they're shooting themselves in the foot like you can't do anything but hype you can always
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make yourself more appealing to women like no matter what okay absolutely let's uh get this
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next super chat here yo brandon thank you for the ten dollar super chat man it was good talking
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to you yesterday on the phone man appreciate it uh good format tonight fellas everyone looks sharp
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brian it's the gents club experience for you this weekend sir uh i will be at the spearmint thank you
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for the uh hookup man appreciate it uh let's see by the way anyone watching spearmint rhino check it
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out in santa barbara okay edward score edward all right i guess this is this is the edward scornfield
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show tonight guys um yeah dude in the mill is right after the athletes run through the hot ones when
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they hit the wall they don't want that beef anymore but i'm trying to remember what that was in
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response to i think he's just saying that like if after they kind of get ran through then they
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realize like oh that wasn't a great idea and that's that okay holy shit edward dude edward you're a
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fucking legend dude hold on we gotta get a little yeah we gotta get a little for you dude bro edward
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financially edward edward this is uh edward i don't know if this is your first time joining us but i think
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it's the first time i think i've seen you super chat so uh really appreciate you man thank you for
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tuning in uh zavi what's up man uh how you doing each one of these girls have friends that they
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think they shouldn't be with that dude because he's no good for her and each of them are that
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friend wait hold on each one of these girls have friends that they think they shouldn't be with that
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dude what zavi no offense bro you gotta learn punctuation my god uh okay edward scornfield with
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the ten dollar soup chat what's the women's first choice here a tall athletic man or an on well
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i mean i'm i'm pretty sure what their answer is going to be okay here's here's here's a question
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to add on to that because i think edward 99 out of 100 women are going to prefer a tall athletic man
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over a shorter unathletic one what interesting interesting question for you guys would you guys
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prefer a tall athletic man broke or oh who's broke or right is that where you were going with it
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that's not where i was going with i was going to say tall athletic man or maybe an unathletic one who
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like maybe he plays guitar or like he's i don't know if a fate effect effect i think got some
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interesting hobbies which which would you guys prefer can you define fat like effeminate
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fat effeminate like like he's like kind of girly like oh okay traditionally masculine okay got it
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what'd you say like like written by a woman type of man i think i'm actually using that wait i'm not
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sure if it's like written by a woman type of type of dude but like uh like the last podcast that i did
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with brian one of the girls said like i actually really like like effeminate guys who aren't like
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traditionally masculine so like what's what's your guys's preferences on that um i mean naturally
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i would probably be drawn more into the drawn more into the more attractive one but like if i liked
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the other one more i probably would go with him it's kind of more about personality for me okay um
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yeah probably what hannah said um i genuinely like don't have a preference i really don't i i think
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that both can be extremely attractive it just depends on i mean personality looks um values just
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everything like that so i don't have a preference i want to revise the question a little bit sorry
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okay really good looking guy tall handsome whatever but broke not ambitious whatever well i guess he's
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got to be kind of ambitious if he's athletic or kind of like dad bod guy but rich maybe a bit of
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status go ahead um i would go for the more attractive one if it's just the money that's different between
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them besides the other factor just because i plan on supporting myself so support okay
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speak into the mic oh uh i don't know i would probably go for the lot the latter yeah
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i mean if if the tall athletic guy was broke because he was unambitious then that's like a
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horrible turnoff and i just like i really value like ambition in someone and so if that was the case
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then i wouldn't i wouldn't let's say he's really hot though okay but how hot like i like like 10 out
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of 10 but channing tatum yeah i just i still don't think that matters if he's super hot but he can't
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like he can't support himself i'm calling cat you really you really think so really just some i just
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i'm not envisioning some super ultra stud chad to date like to date to have a life with like some
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super ultra stud chad like no like really jacked no very handsome no no but to have sex let's say
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let's say he's well yeah but like there it is it's different they're two very different things
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dating and sex very different so we're just gonna keep it moving go ahead no that's true dating and
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sex is very different like obviously like you know first if i'm gonna have sex with someone like
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i'm gonna choose a more physically attractive one but like it kind of goes back to like ambition like
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i think for me like ambition is something that's a very like a big green flag like and if someone is
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like you know works really hard and works on themselves but also you know i could see myself
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having a future with them then that's the person i'm going to want to be with you know it's kind of
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like going to like the university like i want to end up with someone with someone who actually
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goes and has like a future versus someone who may not have a future
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i prefer the more attractive one i think attraction is huge and just because you're broke i mean i can
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help you get your credit score up you know like if we're in a relationship like i know what i bring
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to the table and just because what do you bring to the table oh that's a that's a good question you
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you just you just said you know what you bring to the table so what do you bring to the table i'm
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very ambitious and i know that i will be successful let me in the future is that it
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oh well there's more too i'm also i mean i love to like cook for other people i'm very caring i love
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to do stuff together i love to spend time so the first two things you said though is that you're
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very ambitious and that you know you're going to be successful and i can help them i mean if we
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love each other i'm totally willing to help them with that so let me ask you a question do you
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think that that is something that men care about yes no offense by the way but do you think that
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men care about a woman's ambition or success i would hope so let's open it up to the panel really
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quick um do you think men care about a woman's what she brings financially to a relationship
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um i really think that's a question that kind of depends on the person not to say depends again but
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um i think that everybody has a different opinion about money and everybody comes from a different
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background so you can't i feel like you can't generalize that i feel like we should speak in
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generalities though we're speaking generalities here let's generalize um it was a question
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go ahead generally speaking do you think dudes care about ambition and financial success in a woman
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do you think they find that attractive yes okay do you think it's like a high priority for men
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um probably less successful than like them but like still successful okay um i think that i mean i
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get okay we're generalizing so i'm not gonna say depends i mean it seems as if in today's society
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things are kind of shifting it's kind of going from like oh the man provides all the money to i feel
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like it's kind of getting a little bit closer to being equal i mean i would hope so i would say yes
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they do value that because obviously you want an ambitious woman you want a woman that can stand her
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own ground that can make her own money and i don't know i just think it's like society has really been
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accepting that lately and i'm really happy i'm happy about that it makes me happy um i have two takes on
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this one i think boys versus men kind of is different like boys i don't think definitely
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not men i definitely think um i mean my opinion i think that they value that more um and also i think
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it also is like how you grew up i actually just talked to a recent close friend of mine and i was
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very surprised but he said that he grew up with parents who were very much like you know his mom
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went and like grew up in the household she took care of the kids like kind of like the stereotypical
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versus her his dad went and like you know worked and he said he wouldn't mind having you know a wife
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who kind of like stayed at the household and if there was a choice between him working and her or
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her working he would prefer him to work and her to stay in the household versus some of my other friends
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you know go and say that they're much more like you know it's getting more toward like you know more
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of an equal equalized relationship but generally i would go back to my first thing which is like men would
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value that okay versus boys versus boys that's a good distinction to make i think you could actually
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argue that a boy would care more about a woman's finances because as a man most like a man let's
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say a guy who's an attorney for example um he'd probably date a barista a woman who worked at
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chick-fil-a if she was attractive but i'd say most women who are attorneys would not do the reverse
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of female like a female professional a female attorney or say a doctor or whatever it is she's
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probably going to be looking for a guy that is on her level or higher like yeah and i think definitely
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maybe from like this panel like we're all kind of like 1920 i think our perception is definitely like
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you know we are at college right now and i've experienced like you know boys and then i've also
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dated a couple like i would consider like men who like go and value things a little bit differently
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um so i think you know my perception is that you know limited but i do kind of agree with that and
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then maybe also like i mean you guys please like let me know because i'm actually genuinely interested
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is that do you find maybe a really successful woman very like intimidating almost and then with this
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kind of like sidetrack or like would you guys be deterred from it or tanner you go ahead first
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okay so you know for me um i'm trying to scale myself to be the best man that i can be where i mean
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now i you know i have a a good job i mean i'm not like rich by any means but i do pretty good for
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myself um totally support myself i have my side business now it's like something of my own that i'm
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trying to scale that you know should be making like more money and that's something that you know i want
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to do for me but also to provide like for a woman um big thing for me is like i want a woman who
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you know say if she has a great job like makes money like that's fine but i'm looking for a woman that
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is like very feminine like and for me like has to love babies like and has to want to have a family
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like that's huge for me like that's what i'm looking for if she likes to work and does all that like
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hey good great but she like has to be feminine and has to love babies and would have to be willing
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to spend at least like the first five years of my kid's life you know like with them raising them
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and whatnot so if they want to like work and want to be successful that way that's fine but they also
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have to be okay with the family dynamic that i would want in the future and like to let me support them
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in that way so you're a little turned off by like independent women i mean i wouldn't say turned off
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but like say if there was like an independent woman that was kind of doing her thing but then
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she was like hey i do want children and i you know i do want to raise them and whatnot then like that's
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what i'm looking for if it's an independent woman that's just like oh no like if i were to have a kid
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or whatever but then immediately just like you know put them in like public school and just have them
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like you're raised by whoever and have nothing to do them in that way that's not something that i would
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want like you know what i mean yeah i understand yeah yeah so for me the distinction
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here is that like when i get married i want a wife who is submissive and traditionally feminine
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and i want to be in like a leadership role and kind of traditionally masculine and one of the things
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that i think happens a lot in the world is when women are making a lot of money they kind of end up
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like wearing the pants in the relationship and that can really kind of fuck up relationship dynamics
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like when i was growing up my mom she wasn't making more money than my dad but there was a lot
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of times where she was kind of wearing the pants in the relationship and it created a lot of friction
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in our household and like if i if i found a woman who's making more money than i was like i it might be
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a little bit intimidating but like if there's like a big difference like let's say i don't know she's
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making like four hundred thousand dollars a year more than i am like that that'd probably be a bit
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intimidating but if i met her and we had a good dynamic and like the two of us could kind of
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collaborate on like how we wanted to build a life together and she like trusted my leadership
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that that's like the key right like if for me if a woman trusts my leadership as a man like that's
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that's like a green light for me so to just make it clear what you're saying is that
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an independent woman isn't a total turnoff but you still have to be the leader the men still has to be
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the leader in the relationship or like you know the woman has to be submissive for for me like
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that's what i want like i and i personally find like the whole like boss bitch like i'm a strong
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independent woman who don't need no man like i find that to be a total turnoff i i don't like that at
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all i think coming like you know chase and i were both christians and kind of we look at that that way
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is that like you know women will kind of speaking from like a marriage standpoint you know women will
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kind of submit to their husbands um and they might not necessarily agree with everything that
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they're saying but they will still and if they do agree or not agree with it they will let them know
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vocalize like why they don't agree with it why they think it's not a good idea but at the end of
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the day will still submit to their husband and then still trust them enough to be like okay if this
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is a mistake whatever then you will find a way out of it and trust enough to be that way
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yeah i mean yeah like so one of the things that the bible tells us as men is that we're called to be
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the spiritual leaders of our household and as a christian i look at what's going on in the world
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and i think that we're in a spirit but chase not everyone's a christian you're right you're right but
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as as a christian i look at what's happening in the world and i see a spiritual war that's happening
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and i i i see that as something that like you know there's uh i i think that uh there's a lot of dudes
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who how would i put this i there's a lot of pitfalls in the world spiritually um
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i don't know i know you don't like getting into like the trans stuff and whatnot on the show but
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like i'll just say this like there's there's a lot of pitfalls in the world spiritually and like
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when when a woman doesn't submit to like a husband or like the way he wants to lead the household like
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you might end up in a situation where the husband doesn't want a kid to get a transgender surgery or
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something like that i'm sorry i'm sorry how do you get from point a to point b we're like we're not gonna
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yeah this it's it's an important point it is an important point though like how do you get from
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point a to point b we're like let's say like uh someone who like financially supports their
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household because my mom like when growing up like my mom honestly brought in like most of the money
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like and i don't understand how like those women condition their children to be transgender i'm not
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saying i'm not saying they condition their kids that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is
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in in households where there isn't a traditional masculine feminine dynamic like sometimes the
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dudes will be pushovers and you know stuff i mean there's also plenty of men that are like pretty
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liberal and would just go along with yeah some of those ideologies or whatever there are i'm just
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saying that's not what i want for my household that's i'm not interested that's fine and i'll give
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my take um i don't really for me finances wise it's pretty low priority for me um honestly don't
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really care she could work at chick-fil-a hook it up you know get me some chicken tenders like i don't
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care i really don't care um she doesn't need to match me socioeconomically um yeah doesn't bother me
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at all so i i think i think most guys are i think most guys prioritize like beauty fertility um youth
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femininity over low body count that's another some some guys don't care about that a lot of guys care
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about that but i think those guys mainly prioritize those things over like ambition and financial
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success in women why do you think that is because what's like the disconnect because i think that
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women value ambition and success way higher than looks and that youngness youth like whatever so
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what do you think the disconnect is i mean the difference so i i would say that there are all
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sorts of asymmetries between what men and women find attractive so for example men don't care so much
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about the women's height they certainly don't care if i would say most most men don't have a
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preference for a female partner being taller than them but i would say most women have a preference for
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their male partner being taller than them so that's an asymmetry there in terms of what men and women
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find attractive so let me ask you another one would you can i answer her question i don't think you
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answered it directly enough to be honest i'm kind of getting at it right okay go ahead well so what
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your question is why so my question is why do men why okay i guess it's just like it's weird for me
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because like i just value like ambition and just kind of like having goals and just being a really
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driven person as like a huge priority to me and i and you basically said that that is not a priority
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to men and i'm just curious as to why and then i also have a second question um so i have a very
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direct and simple okay perfect so i think when you have a guy that's like ambitious and he's confident
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and he's getting after it in life like that kind of subconsciously signals to women like this guy's
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probably going to be successful if you're if a guy that you're with is going to be successful i think
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there's like deep in your brain a part of you that realizes okay if i build a family with this guy
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he's going to be able to provide for me and probably going to be able to protect me
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right whereas guys like i'm not looking at a woman thinking okay she's going to be able to
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provide for me and protect me like i look at a woman and i'm like is she going to be able to
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carry my kids can i you know have a bunch of kids with her is she going to have healthy pregnancies
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she'll be loyal to me is she going to be loyal to me yeah and and like i think like like when a
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woman gets pregnant like people talk about this with evolutionary psychology right like if a woman
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gets pregnant throughout a lot of history that would be like a very vulnerable position to be in
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right like if you're going to get pregnant you're going to you're going to have a baby in your belly
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if there's a predator you're going to be slower to get away from it you're going to need resources
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to sustain that pregnancy right and so you need to know okay my guy is going to be able to provide
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for me right and if he's if he's a guy who's like you know he's going to be successful you're going
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to have a lot of confidence in that guy right like it's attractive to you i have for my second
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question what i'm actually genuinely just like really curious like genuinely because i i've just
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i've never really had this conversation with guys what percentage of guys do you guys think think the
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same as you um in the sense of like you guys aren't as attracted to like the boss woman like
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whatever like go-getter independent you know what i mean because i i was thinking about it and i was
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like i actually have no idea like what men think about this okay most most guys they will literally
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their opinion will be based solely off of what they think will get women to sleep with them
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that is the vast majority of men i swear that and that is it so as far as like men's opinions um
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say what you're saying exactly men so i'm not talking about i'm not talking about um like hooking up
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i'm talking about like in a relationship with a woman that you want to get married to um what is
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the predominant thinking with men like what do men think like what does the majority of men think about
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like a woman that's like you know independent makes her own money doesn't really think about like you
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know the man being the well as far as finances go uh it's very low priority of course we don't want
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a woman who's got like 300 000 of debt but right it's we really don't it's you care it's youth and
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fertility biologically speaking low body count low body count is very fertility for a lot of guys too
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but youth and fertility like femininity this is why this is why like tits and ass are so huge to guys
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right like it's such a big priority for guys because not fake ones though yeah not true like like so many
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guys are attracted to a girl with i think in my opinion so many guys are attracted to women with
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big boobs and big butts because it signals fertility right and like i think we're small
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solidarity it's not something we like consciously think about like it's it's just our biology like
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when we see a woman with those things we just like our body knows okay she can she can make kids for us
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and i think we're like hardwired for that you know same thing with women like in like tall jack dudes
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you know what i mean it's the same thing and that's that's not to say obviously that guys don't
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like women without big boobs or a big butt but it's just like it's like just our biological programming
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and i think i think most guys probably 90 plus of dudes like they look at a woman's youth and her
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beauty and like that's what they immediately judge and the the financial success ambition that comes
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second comes after morals though i'd say i definitely say that like men will look at morals as well
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along with femininity and beauty fertility and i i think i think like as you guys you guys are
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mostly 20 right yeah like i think as you guys get into your mid-20s and stuff like right now you're
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probably looking at dudes and you like the confident energetic like tall handsome guys but as you guys
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get into your mid-20s you're probably going to really place a premium on like okay is this guy going
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somewhere in life because if if you see a guy who's going somewhere in life that's going to be very
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attractive to you guys i have a question for you um you say that like you're attracted to like youth
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and femininity um do you think that means that like after your wife turns like 35 like you're not
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going to be attracted to her anymore because she's not going to be considered young and feminine
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that's a good question so i think for a lot of guys that's the case i was telling them last time
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this is a this is a pattern that i've noticed with the older dudes at my gym who are all divorced
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like a lot of these guys like they started you know they they married women that they started
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having sex with very quickly and then once they got into their late 30s and into their 40s they
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realize there's nothing really there beyond the physical attraction and a lot of these dudes got
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divorced for me like yeah i want a wife who i'm physically attracted to but like i want a wife who
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have a really deep connection to because i want to be cracking jokes with her on my porch when we're in
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our 70s you know like i want to be talking about like books and movies and stuff like that and i
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think a lot of people get into relationships where it's just purely based on the physical attraction
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and that fizzles out after you're out of your 30s for a lot of people you know and so for a lot of
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guys that's the case but i think if you carefully pick your partner you know and have a strong connection
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with them then like the attractiveness wouldn't matter when you are 35 because also like we both men and
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women age right so you have to be able to have that deep emotional connection so you can continue
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a long relationship okay exactly i got it and i think like if you find a great guy who you build
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a family with like that love is going to evolve and transform right like when you guys first meet if
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you meet in your 20s he's going to be really attracted to your physical beauty and all that
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stuff but if you guys have kids together and you guys grow with one another that love is going to
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transform from just being physical attraction into like you guys have built a life with one another
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you care about each other's individuals and like you guys have raised kids into human being adults
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you know together and like that's that's where you can build a lot more love off of and i think
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that's what sustains people over the long run you know i think though too that a lot of guys you know
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that would say be in their early like to mid 30s or so they would you know try to look for a woman
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that's in her you know it's like you know 23 to like 26 or so just because they've had more time to
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build themselves up um like as a man get more resources get more income all that stuff and then
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have like some of this you know younger and more beautiful because i mean there's no shortage of
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women that are like 35 year old like wine drinking dog moms you know um that just like hate everybody
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and say like you know absolute all men are just this that way and the other um just because they've
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like warded off every single man and then their beauty is kind of fading versus somebody that's
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younger and you know corporal and and on that point too couch potato farm said if a woman stays
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disciplined eating well and exercising women will be attractive at all ages that is like such an
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important point there are there are like so many women out there there's so many women out there who
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take like really good care of themselves they eat the right foods they stay on top of their exercise
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and they are hot into their like 40s and 50s and there's also a lot of you could you could call
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them oh yeah yeah i grew up in san diego there's a ton of those it just speaks i mean for for you
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know both genders is like if you um treat yourself like shit and you're just out just drinking fucking
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seltzers and like that's your hobby and just going out partying all that stuff you're gonna age
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way quicker than somebody who actually eats clean takes care of their health exercises like
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it goes for both men and women like no doubt i have a follow-up question if fertility is so
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important would you not pursue someone who you click with on any other level or on every other
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level if they're infertile not because of their actions or drugs or alcohol but they were born infertile
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would you not pursue them because of that it's a good question well if you uh i guess it depends if
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i mean if you want kids that's probably a pretty big deal breaker so it's just a non-starter if you
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want kids um but if a guy is open to not having kids then so that's actually probably a good thing
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but can't you have kids in other ways no so okay well let's get into that next
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yo can you pull up brain super chat again or ad med ad med started with brain brain yeah he meant to
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type brian he said brian this podcast will never pop off until one guy tells the truth to
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these girls every single guy is so scared to talk the truth goodness me what are you talking
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about i'll spit i know he's he's just throwing shade i i will say i will say that um my my last
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girlfriend wait why did why did we bring that one up my just it was it was interesting and i want to
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spit some hard truth i want to spit some hard truth to these girls my last girlfriend and i we broke up
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because she was like super pro getting the vaccine and uh are we about to are we about to get your
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channel taken down right now we're not no covid shit we're not talking to covid shit sorry man f
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just assume just assume what he has to say we're not going to talk covid all right um sorry between
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the lines we'll get fucking i don't want to get brian's channel nuked youtube um by the way i just
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want to make it clear you know we've got three guys here but not all we don't we don't all have
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the same opinion on on everything oh brian wants to speak let me just say he disagrees with my last
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point what about the we're not going to talk about vaccines we're not talking vaccines um did you
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have something to say i thought she moved my ex wait you guys know you said at the beginning that
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you guys broke up because she moved to another country that was when i was that was like six years ago
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or seven years ago okay we're gonna get caught up on some chats here that was that was a different
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x we're gonna get caught up here on some chats uh we got the american network against labia place d which
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is my uh non-profit organization hashtag all labia matter facts thank you my non-profit organization
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for that yeah uh it's a it's it's a real shame that women are shamed for their labia would you guys
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agree have you ever heard have you guys ever heard a guy shaming a woman if she had a like a large labia
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what why are you giving me the death stare well no i'm just saying that this is a first for me but
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like i mean i i appreciate like honestly the honesty too like i'm also aware too like both you guys said
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you come from like chris like you guys are both christian correct so like i'm also taking into
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perspective that's your background but i mean definitely like i like um i'm very um generally
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interested about your guys's perception i'm going and like you know thinking about that and i
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appreciate that yeah you you really wanted to get off of the labia topic very quickly is there
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something you want to tell us have you been just gonna leave it at that it's awkward bro have you
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been you you've been thinking about okay never mind next one we have a comment from stiff meister
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here he's here every week ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten
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if you insist stiff meister okay go ahead rate your looks on a scale of one seven or an eight
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stiff just based on just looks like nothing to do with just looks 7.5
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um yeah seven probably seven eight and a half 20 no i'm just kidding i think i'm like a 7.58 on a good
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day six 6.9 on a good day um andrew tate says i'm flying the brunette to romania pack your bags
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well we have two i mean two brunettes well which mr tate andrew tate which one yeah we have three
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brunettes here what no okay um so let's get caught up here on uh we got so many super chats guys it's
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insane let's just i need to let's do a speed round so many of them okay i won't get through all of them
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but um oh my is that 40 do i see we have 40 super chats yeah we got edward dude you're gonna need
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to up the amount of money people pay for us to talk about them yeah guys um 20 and up from now on
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just because we have i'm sorry guys we just have way too many super chats and it'll just we'll spend
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the rest of the show talking about it so we're gonna have to do a lightning round let's go let's
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go 10 and up for now let's go 10 and no it is 10 and up okay yeah so 20 and up guys for super
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chats sorry i it's just we're getting blasted market dynamics supplying them um okay so let's
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see i think we're on this one do they select unathletic men edward scornfield thank you man
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they couldn't lock down the athlete sorry i keep bringing up athlete but sexually i think women
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want physically dominant man um do they select on it because they i think most women want a physically
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dominant man if he's the complete package but if they can't get that they're going to pick the next
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best option most men that have options won't want to settle down because they have options yeah edward
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scornfield with the ten dollar soup chat if the past doesn't matter should we just get rid of the
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judicial system yeah yeah yeah that's a that's where we're finally getting to these yeah these came in
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like super early um that's a pretty sarcastic it depends should we just get rid of the judicial system
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um yeah he's he's just uh chatting with us edward thank you though so much for the support man
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if a man makes money doing dishonest legal things do you care mike davis with the ten dollar soup chat
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what's up eddie nice to see another man here who isn't on welfare and has a few dollars to spend
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yeah mike davis there's some competition for you man there's some competition coming edward edward
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scornfield and yeah i think he's also coming in for the roaster position too it seems uh people in
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the comments are asking nathan's description people in the comments are asking who's jackie
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jackie's the one in green for everybody listening for everyone that wants to know hi who's nathan
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baha to nathan's description i'm not sure what okay ralph um how much is rent out there uh so we're i
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mean we are doing 10 and up but i'll just answer really quick it's like for one bedroom it's about
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low end you're probably going to spend two thousand dollars expensive for a one kind of crummy one
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bed i mean if you're if you're just like splitting an apartment you could spend like 13 1400 bucks
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edwards edward scornfield with the ten dollar soup chat chase i believe this is targeted towards you
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bro in all fairness you're a trust fund baby with your looks appreciate it chase do you want to uh
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respond to i mean dude it's just a casual roast thanks thanks for complimenting my looks bro
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mike davis brian instead of craigslist it looks like you got this pack of low-grade females from back
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page oh for the street oh okay i want to open it up to uh that was funny that was funny do you have
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oh wait wait what do you guys have a response to what you just said he just called you a pack
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of low-grade females from back page well you know what mike i don't even know what back page is
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i don't know that just doesn't offend me and by the way craigslist is great people get their dogs
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on craigslist it's great okay anything um i mean people are gonna hate you know that's why you're
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over there going and commenting and set up up here in front of the camera so but like i mean yeah it is
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what it is like everywhere you get you're gonna get hate you know you could either take it or leave
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it but at the end of the day you should just like know who you are you know and respect yourself so
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i'm not going to really take any judgment for everyone else and like judge myself based off of
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you know some low-grade insults okay mike davis mike davis there's still an open invitation for you to
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come on the show ladies yeah do not take offense to it he roasts everybody on the show
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he's the one he's the one paying to comment that so let's edward scornfield with the ten dollar
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super chat if they say an effeminate man it's because they're ready for a relationship
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if they're getting slammed they're going for the athlete athletes get all the fun
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i mean there's definitely some truth to that like just for a hookup you know but for a relationship
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that's maybe y'all want a man you can control a bit better whereas like a player he ain't gonna
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settle so i get that we should keep moving yep uh isn't it ridiculous the attractiveness
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attractiveness brings nothing to the table but the betas keep taking it there's a reason the migtau
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and migtau is men going their own way movement is what it is um okay edward scornfield thank you for
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the ten dollar soup chat aham oh okay it's one of these uh gag names aim aham gay yeah yeah yeah yeah
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i caught it i caught it um it's funny my michael literis got me last week though um how how important
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is a social media presence image and dating i personally did not have an ig after giving it
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up but it seems like that's a red flag how important okay so really quick really quick
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around the table guys go ahead i don't think it's important at all based honestly i prefer people
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who don't have a social media presence wait are we talking about like our presence or like no his
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presence let's say let's say you've got a dude would he be more attractive or less attractive if
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he had 100 000 250 000 followers on instagram i mean i i'm gonna be honest it definitely less
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attractive but that's just coming from my standpoint of like getting like i mean i feel like i'd get
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jealous you know because like like if he's attractive like wouldn't there just be like
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hundreds and hundreds like of girls like messaging him and stuff and like there's obviously temptation
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with that you know if you trust them a hundred and ten percent then i wouldn't mind but it's it's
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definitely a little it's a red flag it's i wouldn't say it's a red flag it's just it's a little
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concerning okay it's a little concerning okay yeah that's a good answer yeah yeah i think i would
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actually like prefer maybe if they didn't have like that high of a social media but honestly i don't
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i don't know if it's like with the guys think about the girls because i've seen a lot of people like
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a lot of guys definitely do judge girls based off of their like instagram feeds maybe because like
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that's the initial look of them so i want to hear about you that for you guys but a little bit more
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based off of that and kind of what you were on um and kind of even i don't know like if like a guy
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is very very into his social media maybe it could also be because um like you said like a lot of
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girls maybe like after that because they have the ability to go and see and they see like their
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attractiveness and then they um and then it's kind of like that first initial like based off of like
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their physical looks so that's why like you know for me in that perspective in perspective like
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i personally would prefer a guy who's like not very big on social media too because i guess it
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makes them for me at least it makes them seem a little bit more genuine a little bit more grounded
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and more um more into like them instead of going and putting more effort into how other people perceive
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them great answer i think when a guy doesn't have social media they're mysterious like there's
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something a little sexy about that i also think people are very different in person from what they are on
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their instagram and honestly it just provokes and encourages getting to know them in person which
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i think is great so hold on i just i want kiki to come in really quick
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it's okay it's actually fascinating hearing your guys's answers because you guys said almost the
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exact same thing that the last group of girls i spoke with so really yeah can i like ask so like
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what is guys perception on it because i have i mean especially right now i'm not sure maybe if it's
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out there but like um sometimes it's difficult maybe at ucsb like it's sometimes it's difficult
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to find people who are relationships so that's why you kind of like build this it's this thing that
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you build the social media presence that way maybe you can go and find people that way and then for
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example if you go and first meet someone how's the best way that they can meet you oh like here's
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my instagram maybe get to know you a little bit like does that what's your guys opinion on girls
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with like a good social media versus maybe um one that's like not very active do you want to start
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yeah yeah so i mean you know for me i'm trying to scale my business so like i'm on social media and
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anyone that follows me on social media knows like i'm pretty out there i feel like wild ideas out
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there and i like to think that i'm funny he is funny but what i do like about social media is that
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you can tell a lot about somebody by social media like now with our generation you know with millennials
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and gen z is that a lot of times we um kind of you know we personally out there on social media you
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can tell a lot about somebody and so if somebody is you know way out there and they're posting
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like wholesome content stuff that's interesting um things that get you thinking asking philosophical
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questions like that's pretty great but versus you look at somebody who you look at their instagram
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that are just posting like booty pics and stuff like that stuff that's just like obviously way out
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there for attention you know immediately pretty much the gist of who they are um and so it's easy to
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tell that way you know yeah so yeah um if a girl has a shit ton of followers on social media
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that's like we're talking hundreds of thousands or even like even chicks with like you know 12 000
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or less like there's there's girls even less than that there's girls with like 5 000 followers they'll
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get like pro athletes sliding into their dms that's dangerous right like that's super dangerous chicks
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with hundreds of thousands of followers like they're gonna have tons and tons of dudes hitting
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them up and i mean for me like it definitely it like sparks some of my insecurity because i'm like
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what if you know what if i i'm with a girl and some amazing guy who's like super jacked and good looking and
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has a lot of money and a lot of social status what if he slides into her dms the more the more followers
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she has like it increases the chances of that happening so it's like it's something to worry
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about but you know like you were saying when you get to know a person you know whether or not you
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can trust them in relation to that um it's also kind of exciting to me because like you know i'm
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i'm a professional photographer and i do marketing and stuff and i work with with people who have
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large followings and if if you find a good woman with a large following like i would love to work with
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her you know if i married her i would love to work with her to like do brand work and stuff like
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that to make our family a lot of money um i have a question too on that like do you think maybe
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society's more being driven to like like to kind of like look at girls of social media because
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i think that maybe like with social media like there is also like that toxicity that comes into
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play that you kind of mentioned like it does like if they have a lot of followers and a girl's like
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maybe or a guy too so fix it on that it can be a turnoff but also does social media help you
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find like initial perception or perspective about like who that girl is definitely i mean
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yeah if you look and you look at the guy's social media and he's just following like
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just a bunch of you know booty pic like type pages and stuff like that and whatnot then like instant
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red flags and but instead of like booty pics like what i meant is like how about a girl maybe who has
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two posts versus a girl who like maybe goes and posts a lot more is a lot more active maybe she's
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like more philosophical not doing it for like the booty pics like in the attention but like it's so you
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know has a major presence i'll say this i'll say this so we're talking about boys and men right
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okay yeah give me both we're talking about boys and men you've got the boys who just want to hook
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up with chicks if you're a girl with a profile full of booty pics and all that stuff he's not going
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to care i'm in a place in life where i'm looking for a wife right if i go to a girl's instagram
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and it's just a ton of thirst trap photos booty pics all over the place instant red flag i'm like
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not but if i go to a girl's page let's say she has a thousand posts but she's posting about
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interesting stuff and stuff that's meaningful to her like maybe some of that will resonate with me
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right maybe i'll look through some of her stuff like i i i personally love girls with convictions
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and like strong opinions about things that's going on in the world if if i see a girl with like
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interesting opinions and they align with like what i think and she's posting that on her social media
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that's a huge green light for me right i don't care if she has a billion posts or if she's if she's
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posting pictures of herself and she looks beautiful but she's not like you know her ass
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isn't hanging out and she's not like thirst trapping like that's that's not a big deal to
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me either like i i love finding beautiful women on instagram who are like classy and they're not
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thirst trapping like that's that's a cool thing to see a woman do you know yeah i'll give my take on
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this too so uh there's definitely tears to it so if she's got just thirst traps a bunch of booty photos
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booty pics bikini pics um to me it's i don't know i i don't feel it varies it varies if if her instagram
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is private versus if it's public it's a factor um i mean once you're in a relationship i don't know
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it to me it's kind of i would prefer if my girlfriend was not posting thirst traps on
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instagram you don't want her sharing because everything with the world yeah and um i think
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i think men and women we also flirt differently so i i want to really quick go around the panel
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is it cheating if you're in a relationship with a guy and he likes another girl's instagram photo
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let's say it's a bikini pic no um it's not cheating but is it like a red flag would you
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take issue with it no i mean like if they're just like like mindlessly liking things i wouldn't really
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care i would look at the other pictures that they've liked and if it's consistent bikini photos
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then i i mean it's not cheating but if it's like one i like okay it's not it's not a big deal
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yeah i think also depends like how jealous kind of like the girl can get you know because sometimes
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you guys went and said you don't want girls posting booty pics because you don't want her
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showing everything like you kind of like want it to be a little bit more like just for you kind of
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like you went and said about like the hookups like the less body count the better because it's
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something that's almost like you guys can connect well it's just like you kind of have for your own you
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know and i think it's kind of like that too if a guy is going and liking every single picture like
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for me it might go and spark a little bit of i don't know a little jealousy no way is this true
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ladies no bull spit just said i just checked out all the girls instagrams and they are all booty
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pics and bikini pics is this true ladies well who are they talking about
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all of you all of you i mean it's santa barbara i'm not i'm not judging okay i have a question
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i have a question okay so let's just say a girl posts bikini pictures right but the motive behind
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it isn't to like thirst trap or to like i mean not a lot like just like a couple right the motive
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behind it isn't to thirst shop it's because she's genuinely happy and feels confident about her body
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maybe she works out a lot or like she's just really proud of i like that you know how she looks
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and her body yeah do you still think that that's a red flag or something that's kind of like looked
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down upon good question no i i don't personally like i there's a balance right so like like i followed
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this one girl on on instagram and she posts she's like a fashion influencer most of her posts are like
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her adventures or the different outfits that she's wearing stuff like that and then every like 15
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posts you know she'll throw a bikini picture in there it'll be a tasteful one like she's not like
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it's not like one of the ones where it's like look look how juicy my ass is it's like it's like
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it's elegant you know what i mean i personally like that that's different from like there's a lot
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of girls out there every single photo is like a bikini pic showing off all the goods that's like a
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totally different thing i don't like that it's very clear when women want attention versus just like
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posting content for sure can i oh so sorry go for um i actually was like talking with my friend
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jess and this is something that's very interesting is that at least at ucsb um i know we're not going
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to generalize like schools and stuff and i don't want to keep it there but it's very common for um
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girls to go to parties and like it will be like very cold at night and they'll wear like you know
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skimpy outfits and that's very normalized here and yet when jess and i kind of like we're talking to
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a lot of our guy friends recently we found out that they actually found that almost as like a
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turn off um what what's your guys opinion on that like overly skimpy outfits like to me that's that's
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a turn off because that's just like screaming for attention it's just like hey like look at my body
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this is what i have to offer um to me that's a turn off yeah i mean like i think like the super
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tiny skirt like if you're posting images of yourself in like a super tiny skirt and like you know tiny
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little crop top and you're showing off all the goods like that basically signals hey i want to
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get banged right like i'm going out tonight to meet some guys i'm like i'm trying to i'm trying
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to go home with one who has what to offer me what like who has what to offer me yeah yeah basically
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like it's basically advertising like hey i'm available like you know come at me right like
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that's that's a turn off it just like there's there's a way there's a way to show off your beauty
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and who you are as a woman and what you have to offer without giving everybody all the goods and
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kind of like looking like a slut you know what i mean like there's there's ways to do it you know
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got it why do you think that like i don't know just kind of an all i what i've noticed like traveling
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i mean along different college campuses and just young people in general um do you think like maybe
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sometimes it's such a normalized thing that people feel pressured to do it not because they're screaming
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for attention but because it's almost kind of like a well i'm not going to fit in if i don't wear
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a shirt that's showing my whole tit you know yeah i feel like a lot of people feel that yeah
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no 100 100 when i was in when i was in college like all the girls were trying to post the hottest
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pictures all the time and they were trying to meet the cutest guys and stuff and it changes once you're
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out of college you know thank gosh seriously change the culture though right it's all about the culture
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like all about your friends that are in your sorority or ever like dressing like that like
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why are you dressing like that like what are you trying to get out of that no i don't think we
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should control what other people wear no no just ask just ask just plant the seed like why are you
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doing that i feel like that in itself is disrespectful to ask somebody why that's okay what they're wearing
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so i mean it's okay unrelated to that is just as far as if someone's wearing revealing clothing
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um i think you're totally free you should wear whatever you want um me personally i think my
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preference and i think a lot of guys preferences i think we would prefer to as far as take taking a
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woman seriously for a long-term relationship i think we would prefer a girl who dresses more modestly
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like also me personally i don't go out i don't party i don't go to bars i don't go to clubs i rarely
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drink not a big drinker so i'm not really out in those environments a whole bunch to begin with but
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like for me if a girl was if she was even just going out friday saturday consistently every weekend
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i'm probably that's not the type of girl that i'm going to take seriously for long-term relationship
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i'm an outlier though like i've very rarely drink i i hate bars i hate clubs i don't like parties i'd
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rather masturbate with sandpaper quite frankly than go to some thing with height with the grit you know the
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grit strength very strong i just i just sorry i didn't mean to cut you off so i'm just going to
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take me and hannah for example if hannah and i wore were to wear the exact same shirt not to call you
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out hannah you have much bigger boobs than i and let's just say the shirt i look more modest in it
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and hannah because she happens to have bigger boobs she's wearing the exact same shirt would you see
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and answer honestly would you see her differently versus how you would view me at a party
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if we're wearing the same exact shirt but this is directed towards me i don't think guys would
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give a shit we don't care i don't even depend on this it would depend on the shirt out and mine are
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like not for example wait wait it depends on the shirt you said you guys are both wearing the same
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shirt but it's revealing your bodies differently yes would you see her as more trying to go out for
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attention versus me being more modest even though we're wearing the exact same shirt exact same
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outfit would you view us differently i mean i'll be honest i make judgments about like how there's
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there's chicks that wear shirts where their tits are just like popping out and i'm like all right
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you're trying to get some dick tonight and you know there's a lot of guys that are into that and
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they're gonna see that and they're gonna try and smash and then there's gonna be dudes that are
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turned off from it you know you're also asking guys that are in a different stage of their lives
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than like college dudes like a lot of college dudes are gonna be all over that you know if i
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see that i'm like yeah i'm good like i i personally i i want to be with a woman who doesn't share
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everything that she has with the entire world you know like i want that to be special for me
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you know so when you were when you were our age like when you were like 20 21 like a little bit
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younger would you say that you like when you were in college would you say that you did look
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you didn't look down upon that stuff when you were in college yeah when i mean when i was 18 like
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i knew the girls that i wanted i didn't really care what they were wearing there were girls that
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wore like on halloween for example very oh halloween oh yeah there were girls that were very slutty
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costumes and like when i was 18 i didn't care right when i was like 21 22 i started to look at it
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differently got it because at that point i'd had like a serious relationship and i knew like i'm
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not just trying to hook up with chicks willy-nilly like i was when i was younger i want like a serious
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girlfriend and i don't it comes with maturity yeah it comes with being more mature yeah when i was
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younger i mean i had my couple nights out in ivy here and there and a couple here and there even you
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know even though back then even when i was younger i was never into drinking not big into not super
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into partying but i'd go out a bit and uh yeah i'd see a girl if she's just hot she was hot like
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to me it's i it's not so much i'm like super judging them um again i think you should dress
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however you want you're free to do it um just for me it's i mean it is a bit of a judgment call because
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for a long-term relationship um and you know there's girls closer to my age i'm 33 that are you know
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mid-20s late 20s uh early 30s they're still at the club friday saturday and to me i'm just i'm not
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going to get i'm probably not going to take her seriously i if she's willing to stop if she's in
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a relationship with me but i'm probably like if she's not going to stop then i'm there's no way if
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it's predetermined on a friday or saturday night she's going to a bar or club that's a wrap for like
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i'm not going to i'm not going to pursue that about that and it's part of that is just
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it's also just i i don't go to bars and clubs so i'd want like a similarity there with my partner
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i have a question with that um what i'm just interested because i think it's i think it's
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cool and unique that you aren't like you know most of the other population that goes out to bars and
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clubs what's your reasoning behind not um wanting to do those things there's a couple reasons a couple
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reasons so it's a very good question it is i was like so and and this was even you know i went out
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a bit when i was younger but i was never like friday saturday every night let's get tanked you
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know when i did drink it would be one or two drinks max typically there's like maybe i can probably
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less than five times i've been properly drunk properly proper drunk never blacked out or anything
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like that um and you know so i've been to bars and clubs and parties and all that stuff but
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the reason is is that well there's a few uh one i'm i'm more introverted and it's very there's
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it's super hectic there's a lot of people it's very loud it can be so loud that you can get
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permanent hearing loss when you go to one of these super loud uh nightclubs or bars they blast the
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volume and i don't know if any of you have been in a scenario and loud party loud club you have ringing
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in your ear for a little bit afterwards that can actually be permanent damage uh it's called tinnitus
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so that's one of the reasons all right brian i'm never going out again never going out but
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the other reason i mean there's people smoking people are super drunk the drinks are incredibly
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expensive to me it's super loud you can't even have a conversation with someone so and i i don't
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dance i don't dance any better than a kangaroo so never no i hate dancing i refuse to dance i will not
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dance well i'm not getting married so i refuse to dance well let me just finish this but um let me see
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the other reasons uh yeah drinking is just incredibly expensive and then there's just uh
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the threat of violence uh at at bars and nightclubs which is a real it's it's a risk for women but it's
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a much greater risk for men i'm sure you guys have seen people getting their fucking face smashed in
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in isla vista um my first night ever out in isla vista i saw a guy get slashed in the face with a
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knife yeah my friend i've seen some crazy are you serious i've seen some crazy was he okay uh no he
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like had to go to the hospital oh my gosh yeah yeah there's there's some weird stuff around here
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when people drink and a lot of these guys aren't getting any they're angry like people just get into
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fights people are drunk so it's a safety thing i've seen people get stabbed on state street at the
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bars i've seen a lot of shit and i've seen it firsthand so to me a lot of shit goes down and
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like a lot of violence not fights like violence goes down so yo so we we have some people pissed
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that we're not getting to the super chats yeah also my buddy guys we'll get to the super just
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dropped a super chat i was wondering if we could get to that i i don't he's up at the top yeah well
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let's try to get through it uh i don't even think um let's get let's get some super chats um going here
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all right my buddy jordan said wait pull that back up pull that back up all right my buddy jordan said
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chase is an absolute skill skill guy thank you brother you're a skill guy too takes a skill guy
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to know a skill guy question for you all what do you think about looking through your significant
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other's phone is it okay to do and how would you feel if they said no quick answers guys quick
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answers um i don't think it's okay no i don't think it's okay and have you ever no i have but i
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don't think it's okay i only did it once um i don't think it's okay unless you have like a really
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really valid reason to do it but by really valid i don't mean like a suspicion i mean like like just
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i don't know like you like caught them cheating and you want to see if it's been persisting
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so i'm saying no it's not okay unless it's warranted i'm going to say no it's not okay
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because in a relationship i'd want trust and you know both mutual so i agree but if there is
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a warranted reason then that's valid i mean i have nothing to hide so yeah if there's a warranted
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reason to um you probably shouldn't be in the first place like if it got if it got to the point where
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like hey i need to look through this person's phone it's probably over and you probably already
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know what you need to know exactly yeah i i i disagree with doing it but like you guys said if
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if you catch your significant other doing some shit and you have like hard evidence that they're
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doing something it's worth it's worth looking into but like there's a lot of neurotic people
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out there who are like let me look through your phone and like i think that's like just awful and
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like terrible i'm gonna answer this really quick because i have an interesting one on this eric
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can you just stand up really quick and just hit the autofocus button on this camera
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hold it for like a second do you know which button it is
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zavi firing shots dude zavi said my man in the gray wants to leave the household because he's
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insecure in his manhood oh it's a circle button wait did did you get it maybe i shouldn't have done
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that i want to lead my household because we're in a spiritual war are you pressing the right one okay
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that's fine we're in a spiritual war and eve was the one that ate of the apple first all right so
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to answer the question i actually had an experience the first time i hung out with the girl
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she looked through my phone nice the first time she came she came well i met her out and then she came
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over to my place hooked up and then she looked through my phone and i i went to the bathroom you know
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she so that's when she looked at it i came back and she was pissed because she saw the
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shit that was on the phone um and uh and then i kicked her out because i was like the
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fuck damn and then i dated her for five years okay so don't do that guys oh wow
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was that a joke i'm dead serious i'm dead serious can you just really quickly the logic behind the
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dating for five years after her checking your phone well i just really kicked her out and then she
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apologized and i was like it was a very sincere apology how sincere can you be and then she did
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that shit like probably a dozen more times i broke up with her a dozen more times this is not the you
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the norm for me but it was an on again off again she was that hot she was hot out she was hot huh
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she was she must have been bombed and she had bpd and oh well uh borderline personality disorder so
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she was crazy and hot and that's all i'm gonna say okay next super chat
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my don't by the way guys don't date women with bpd um i wasn't planning on it we need mr organic to
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roast the girl in the brown cammy about what she brings to the table pull up the clip brian um
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i don't you know what mike davis we don't have the clip i'm sorry sorry buddy uh okay oh well fine
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we'll do this one by the way just remember 20 and up guys but what i know this this came in dude this
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came in when it was ten guys but genuinely no blonde in the green on seeking arrangements have you ever
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been on seeking arrangements i have never been you know what is it possible for someone to take your
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picture and put it on there because that has happened to me multiple times like instagram accounts
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instagram accounts have been made of me where it's it's not me obviously but my instagram posts
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are all on this like instagram and it's like it's like follow me like only fans like whatever and i'm
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like what i'm like what in the world so i might be on there but it wasn't for me it could be
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that's kind of uh mike mike davis with the five dollar soup chat take shot every time pink checkered
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girl says like rip roasted that's a good one that was a good one we got uh shaheen kohini with the
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five dollar soup chat uh white shirt sorry don't name maybe you'd like to sacrifice five years of your
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career if you want kids okay um oh we gotta get through these my man in the gray wants to leave the
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household because he's insecure in his manhood uh edward scornfield ten dollar soup chat outside of
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indoctrination how do these women rationalize their sexual preference relating to tall men
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uh i feel like i feel like there's a lot of frustration coming from edward scornfield
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i feel like he's projecting some of that frustration be nice be nice though because he's
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he's our patron that's a good dude he's funding the podcast yeah edward dude we really appreciate
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the questions but like i don't feel like women have to rationalize their sexual preference relating
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to tall men like i don't know i mean he did ask do you guys want to ask answer that question so i guess
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is the question why are you attracted yeah why are you attracted to tall men you can't control what
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you're attracted to in the same way that men are attracted to women with a low body count but okay
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why do you like you can't control it's not the same thing well i think one of them stems from like
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a fundamental thing and then the other one's just like biology wait wait i think which one which one
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is which yes i don't agree i think one is a social construct and the other is a physical trait height
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is so so one of one of the points it's not a social construct it's not this is something this is
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something okay i understand your point this is something that has been valued throughout all of
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human history in almost every culture that's ever existed and the reason why andrew tate has made
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this point and i think it's a very valid point wait one second hold on hold on hold on hold on it's a
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very valid point okay one of the reasons why virgins have been prized throughout human history
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oh let's not hold on hold on one of the reasons let's go into it one of the reasons
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no no no no no no bad time wait don't please i want to hear what i want to hear what you have
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wait virgins what why why are you guys so triggered by this should we play the video
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wait one of the reasons why is because if you have a woman who's a whore and she's sleeping with
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hundreds of dudes relax it's okay yes yeah we can yes you yes we can because there's a lot of women
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out there who are and there's even more men out there that are even bigger whores right well there
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are wrong but horse is a derogatory term in my opinion that's one that should be used but there
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are hold on there are literally whores like women who identify themselves as whores no women who
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prostitute prostitute yeah so how would you define whore okay well there's a hoe chicks chicks that are
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ran through chicks that have slept with 50 100 150 so what would different so what would the number
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be though because like you know like if a girl has slept with 20 guys right would she be a whore
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it's gonna be different for every guy it's gonna be different for every guy if she did it within
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a month of losing her virginity yes that's a lot that's that's basically one per day you just said
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it's a lot you just said it's a lot right it's a fact i mean so you in my personal standards yes but
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maybe in other people's standards it might not be 20 people i mean most most most dudes are going to
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look at a woman who slept with 20 guys in a month and they're gonna think that she's a whore probably
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99 of dudes yeah would not date a woman the original point though about why virgins with virginity was
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something that was important throughout human history is because if you if you have a woman that's sleeping
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with a bunch of dudes let's say you get her pregnant right you're not going to know who got her
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pregnant she might say that you got her pregnant and she and and it might have been another guy that
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got her pregnant and this is why chastity is something that's been so prized throughout human
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history and before before there were dna tests there was no way to tell who the father was of a child
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okay and so this is why it's it's is it a social construct yes but it's evolutionary is it a social
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construct that has extreme value absolutely i have to disagree with you on this one i think that if
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you're going to bring up virginity and that whole thing in history i think that it stems from it
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stems from the patriarch and men the patriarchy okay hold on now you have to tell us what the
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you have to now articulate by men for men articulate what the patriarchy is a society built by men for
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men and do you believe that's why it was fine for a man not to be a virgin sure you can say pregnancy
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whatever but nobody cared about a man's chastity nobody cares about it now well actually that's
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absolutely that's absolutely not true for christianity for the past two thousand years people have
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absolutely cared about male chastity it's it's been less it's been less highly well i have a question
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western civilization for the past two thousand years has been a christian civilization and in in
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cultures that have been christian they absolutely value male chastity now that's not the norm that
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hasn't been the norm but it's not fair to say nobody cares about chase let me just have a uh i want to have
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a little back and forth here on the patriarchy okay so let's do this you said that the patriarchy
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is just repeat it again what is the patriarchy a society built by men for men and historically that's
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you're asserting that that was something that historically existed or persists till today i think
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that there are definitely still undertones of it in society today because it existed so it's a society
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the founding fathers of america why why hasn't there been a society built by women people have
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thought that women are too emotional to take charge like people have always said that a woman can't be
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president because she's too emotional that has been like that that was what people thought you can read
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things about it you can look at historical documents but what what does their gender have to do with
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it it's the attitudes that have been reflected onto women for years so do you disagree with the idea
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that on average women tend to be more emotional than men do yes yes i've dealt with some men that act
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like toddlers some men okay some boys majority yes okay but you can say can you give us are you
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saying that you think women are on average more emotional absolutely in in my experience yeah
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they're definitely more emotional there's no question about it there's no question about the
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most emotional i'm not gonna i have no comment on that the most the most the most i i grew up
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with a mother and a grandmother who were extremely emotional people let me let me have a back and
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forth though on patriarchy all right um so you've you've asserted that the patriarchy exists to this
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day i need you to give me a few reasons how or why are you disagreeing that there's a patriarchy i do
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but i'm you disagree with that there's a hundred you have to define it absolutely okay hannah hannah
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a society built by men for men okay you've defined no no hold on okay but our society let me hold on
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you've defined it you've defined it but you have not provided evidence for its existence i'm i'm
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opening it up to you please um well recently i know you two are probably going to have an opinion
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about this roe v wade was overturned that actually created an equality between men and women how because
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men aren't the ones being punished like a men can okay do you realize that men have zero reproductive
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rights okay yeah but men also can impregnate as many women as they want whereas women women can only
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get pregnant once in nine months men can impregnate thousands of women in nine months and they're not
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the ones that are being punished and they're not the ones that are stuck to being carried with the
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baby i mean men are if a man doesn't want a child he can certainly be punished what do you mean by that
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child support if a man a man does not have a choice in either scenario if a woman wants to keep
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it and he wants to get rid of it he doesn't have a choice if she wants what is the and the inverse
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is true too i think i think we should rewind for a second you just used roe v wade as an example of
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the patriarchy yes i know more women that support the overturning of roe v wade than i know men
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that's probably because that's also because of your background you're right it is but this isn't
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just a symbol of the patriarchy this is the overturning of roe v wade this isn't just a
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male-dominated thing okay amy coney barrett also voted to overturn it okay that's a good point that's
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a good point that is she is she the patriarchy okay but here's the thing is that you cannot tell
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somebody what they have to do with their body you can't tell me that i need to go have a kid right
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now if i get pregnant like you cannot tell me what to do with my body medically i don't agree
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with that i simply don't okay and and i don't this is gonna get heated i don't think that a woman has
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the right to murder the child that she chose to create through sex okay maybe we shouldn't be
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talking about this maybe no no no what if she was raped because she had no choice in that that's a good
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question that's less than the patriarchy hold on hold on everybody this is this is an important
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question that's a really important question okay that is less than one percent of abortions 95 of
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abortions are abortions of convenience and what that means is women had consensual sex and they
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decided after the fact that they just didn't want to keep the child okay that's different from rape
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and in cases like that this isn't somebody forcing a woman to have a child this is literally what it is
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no sex has consequences and when you have sex you are risking the possibility of conceiving a child
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are you not i agree with that but i feel like you cannot force somebody to do something with i that
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that is the main point of this you cannot force somebody to do something with their body that they
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do not want to do okay i don't know how much we want to talk about the abortion issue just because
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it's very uh i think it's a fruitful discussion i think this is an important discussion i think it
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is i think it is important extremely um um i i'll just give my take i don't want to give my take
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on abortion you want to hear your take brian so as it okay it's a kind of nuanced take though it's going
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to take me at least two minutes to explain it we would love to hear it okay so
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i the arguments of pro people who are pro-life are not so easily dismissed however uh i would say
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that i'm i'm probably going to lose some viewers whatever i say um i would say i'm pro pro-choice
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but i would say that just abortion is clearly wrong it's clearly wrong but not everything that is wrong
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should be illegal so and this is kind of where i get into crazy territory um i think that
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we should be and this is i think maybe me running the center too much we need to develop an artificial
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womb that way both sides can be happy if a woman wants to get an artificial womb so y'all can if you
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want an abortion you can get it but the baby can survive that is the compromise i think is fair and i
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also think we should have honestly i think we should have free birth control i think we should have robust
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sexual education and i think people should stop fucking around so much i have a question you need to
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take accountability for their actions straight up right there take accountability amen for actions
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also i guess in a way i would say i'm pro-choice because like look you guys want to kill your blood
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line off and totally like knock off any of your um you know any personal responsibility
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fucking go for it but it's wrong like there's no way that you can morally say like if you were to let
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that kid grow up like in your womb it's gonna pop out and in 18 years 19 years 20 years it'd be sitting
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across the table just like we are it's wrong if you guys want to go do that that's your prerogative
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but there's no getting away from it that's wrong that's a human being and that people should take
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responsibility for their actions i have a question i think that you also respect people's choice i think
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that it's wrong but people can make i want to i want to just run the center a little bit here um
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i think i what i don't like to i know i know you want to come in here chase uh i don't like to see
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either side straw manning the other side um i think the pro-choice side makes a bodily autonomy
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argument and then the pro-life side the the thing that you have to the thing that you're going to the
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argument that you're going to have to make to convince pro-lifers to be pro-choice is you're
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going to have to convince them that upon conception that's not a life you're going to have to because
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they yeah they genuinely think that it is a life at conception they think that that's a a life worth
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protecting and they believe it's murder so you're going to have to convince them that it's not murder
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that's the challenge you're up against it's not about controlling women's bodies it's not
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even a religious thing because there's many atheists who are pro pro-life so i'm just trying to run
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center here that is what you're up against when you're talking to someone who's pro-life these
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guys can make arguments that aren't based in religion okay um sorry sorry go ahead i also have
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something i want to say to you you can go first but i just want to make it known i have something i
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need to say about this please go ahead it's just frustrating that you keep on interrupting people
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but um i've been i've been interrupted like 20 times in this conversation it's a conversation
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it's fine go ahead go anyways i was gonna say like i do think like whatever like i think that
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it could be argued that it's a life like technically it's zygotes and like i don't know like when you
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masturbate you're killing babies no it's a bit different it is a bit very different it's like
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they don't they're not like sentient yet like i don't know it argues like that's not that's not the
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argument but basically i'm just trying to say like i i respect people's religions but i don't
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think that like religious people just because they have a religion i don't think that gives them the
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right to like tell people to like make rules based on this religion like it's not uniform you know
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you're right you're right and and i completely agree with that as a christian okay and a big part
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of this discussion for me isn't like pushing my christian beliefs on the rest of society obviously
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there's a motivation there as a christian because of what i believe and what brian was saying about
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life at conception part of this though is about the physical pain that's caused to unborn children
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in second and third trimester abortions i agree that i don't think that abortions should yeah okay okay
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also account for a very low percentage of abortions you're right you're right it's the same argument that
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you made when you were like 95 or not rape cases that's you can apply that to this as well so i don't
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think that that's an argument we should discuss wrong because you said you don't have the right
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to tell people what what to do with their bodies and there's a lot of people in this country who
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believe i should be able to have abortions all the way up until you know the day of of uh delivering
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the child okay i don't think so people most of the reason that you know this is there's they don't
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want to go through there's there's laws being passed in the country to legalize this this has already
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been legalized in different states okay and so for me part of this discussion i i use that example of
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late-term abortions because part of this discussion is you're saying women say it's my body it's my
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choice you have no you have no right to tell me what to do with my body
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women say it's my body my choice you have you have no right to say what women do with their body
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right okay i also don't think anybody has the right to harm an unborn child to murder it to do anything
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like that and that child that being doesn't have a say in this conversation and this country
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specifically was founded to secure life liberty and the pursuit of happiness for every american
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but we're not we're not doing that for americans in the womb everybody's just saying that they're not
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people people were pressuring my mom to have her abort me because she conceived me out of wedlock and and
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i wasn't going to have a dad in my life they pressured my mom to abort me i never had a say in the
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conversation thankfully she kept me but if she had aborted me i wouldn't be here and i you know i'm i'm
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a person right like who's speaking up for these unborn kids nobody everybody you guys just look at
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them like they're not even people a lot of people are because roby way just got overturned so i think
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a lot of people are speaking yes yes we all are but you guys think that that you guys just have the
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right to do whatever you want to these unborn people and i i think that's wrong i feel like i have
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the right to do anything i want to my body but do you have the right to do anything you want to
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another person's body i don't believe it's another person's body if it's living inside me why because
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it's inside i i think it's kind of like a parasite it's literally growing off of me what about you
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taking responsibility for like what you did yes you chose to create a human being it's not a parasite
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it's a human being okay wait i i would like to ask you a question chase just out of curiosity
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so you mentioned and you shared and thank you for sharing but like you were your mother was pressured
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to get an abortion correct and you were happy and you grew up happy from what i've seen or just what
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you told me um what about the millions of kids who are born and have no family um thrown into the system
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uh grown up in dangerous situations do you think that just out of curiosity i'm not saying like whether
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i agree or disagree but like do you think that they should still be brought into this world if they're
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put in dangerous situations it's a good question it's a it's a complex question obviously
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what i know is that there's a lot of people in america who want to adopt kids
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and it's often very difficult and very expensive to adopt kids because of i don't know whatever
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fucked up system we have created here what would be most ideal would be for those kids to be able to
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be easily adopted by families that love them that want to put them in a good situation
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and i i don't think this is a point that a lot of my christian friends make i don't think two
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wrongs may make a right like there's a lot of kids that are born into quote unquote dangerous
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situations who end up flourishing in life and they live very healthy successful lives against all the
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odds you know what i'm saying and to just like discount all those kids and say oh there's no way that
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they could live a healthy happy life like i i think that's wrong um and i i think that
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i think that that yeah we should make it easier to to adopt kids because there's a lot of kids in
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this country who you know are born into shitty situations that could probably have better
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situations and there's barriers to it you know so do you support putting funding into programs that
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would make the system better and make it more safe like supporting absolutely we spend we spend
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hundreds of billions of dollars a year on the dumbest most useless we've spent we've sent ukraine
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like what 60 billion dollars north of that we've sent another country so much money when we have
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kids here in america who are starving who are below the poverty line who aren't in good situations i think
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that we we have there's so much money to go around we printed trillions and trillions of dollars
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over the past couple of years if we're talking about where to put our money in america
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i think if we're going to build a pro-life country like we should be looking at the kids who need it
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most yeah americans should eat first and we should take care of especially our younger generation how
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do you pronounce that dude's name by the way what what shaheen kohini guys we've been talking about
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the abortion thing for about 10 minutes not that so we should probably move move on please but i do
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appreciate the debate it was good thank you i think i think we should all be able to you know have a
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conversation about these difficult topics and uh yeah okay um so i do want to bring it back to what
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got us there though which is the patriarchy so can you give me some other can you give me some other
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examples other examples of how we live in a patriarchy today what's the statistic i don't know what the
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statistic is isn't there a statistic well i think that okay i think what she's trying to say with
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the patriarchy um i've taken a lot of like history classes and just sociology classes that kind of
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thing so i've actually learned a lot about it ah okay i wasn't trying to show up there um
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i think that our society since god knows who how long ago it has been a male-ran society i mean there's
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been there's been so many instances i mean think about it like the whole stereotype of women stays
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at home man like works like blah blah blah you know men go to war women stay and kind of take care of
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the kids in my opinion that's patriarchy because that's kind of giving the like the men like this
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like higher role and like higher position in society and i think that as um as society's progressing
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it's becoming more progressive and women are um kind of you know the whole feminist movement that kind
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of thing but i think you can't deny that throughout history women have been oppressed
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you could also kind of go i i would say i don't think we should gender it though i think throughout
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history men and women have been oppressed there's it's really the apex fallacy the patriarchy theory is
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the apex fallacy you have a very very small proportion of people at the very top which oppress everyone
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both men and women but you don't think that there's so are you just to make your point i reject
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i reject this idea of the patriarchy theory theory do you support the idea of do you support the idea
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of um women have been oppressed in society i think both men and women have been oppressed and i can
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actually this is going to be the hot take here i can actually no hold on i can actually make an argument
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that men have been more oppressed please make your argument right now please state your case brian
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interesting let me ask you a question throughout just hear him out just let me no let me ask you a
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question you are right now so throughout all human history and i think that you know what this one
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probably squashes any grievance that i think uh women could could conceivably come up with um throughout
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all human history what percentage would you say of military casualties if you had to break it up
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between the genders what is the percentage breakdown of military casualties well obviously injuries obviously
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a significantly more amount of men 99.99 but that's also because that's also because in the past
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women have not been allowed to that's a privilege in the military do you think do you think if women
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had been allowed hold on guys do you think if women had been allowed to join the military they would be
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signing up in droves to get put through the meat grinder of war well it's also men literally like
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want to be in it like so many men someone one of my guy friends told me actually that like all men
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at some point in their lives like fantasize about being in the military you're right a lot of men
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do a lot of men do are attracted to war however this hasn't been a consensual thing throughout human
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history throughout human history you've had so many emperors and kings that literally just
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they will send soldiers to your house they say all right tanner even in ukraine right now going
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on ukraine right now people are getting forced to fight in this war men weren't allowed to leave
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the country in ukraine you realize this women were allowed to leave the country men were not
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allowed to leave the country in ukraine because they were forced to go to the front lines
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right into the meat grinder of war they were forced to die this is not something that's happened to
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women throughout human history but women haven't given the opportunity to i mean nobody i mean you can
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make the argument that how many women would right like that's a good argument but then you could also
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say women were not allowed to enlist all right so world war three starts tomorrow how many of you are
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enlisting enlisting willingly yep probably wouldn't but if they told me i had to go i'd go suck it up
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my family you wouldn't you wouldn't have a choice yeah you wouldn't have a choice her her point is
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that women haven't had the option so that's why it was all well it's also i actually come from a
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military family like my whole life um and um sorry i lost my train of thought that's okay that's all right
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my my point was just simply that you guys are right almost all societies throughout history have
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been male dominated but a very small percentage by a very tiny percentage of men at the top
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who brutally oppress the majority of the men below them throughout society as well and yes women have
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gotten the raw raw end of the stick too but like dudes have had it bad as well for a long time and
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we've had more rights in terms of property and speech and stuff like that and voting but it's been
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pretty bad for dudes for those are big deals like those are legal issues that women didn't have rights to
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and now we're taking women couldn't vote remember that i do yeah i was alive back what do you think
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about that wait about what do you think that women do you if you lived back then right would you support
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women not voting do you think that that's right and just do you think that that's a decision for the
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men to make that women are not competent enough to vote because that's that's what it was so actually um
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um eric can you pull up there's a uh infographic eric there's an infographic yes i know women can vote
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now i'm talking about like however many years in history it's an important question chris go into
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the infographics uh brian wants to move on to something else but it's important no no it's related to
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the the voting thing so i mean what's your question should women not have been allowed to
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no she's asking if we think we should repeal the 19th that's what she's asking no no no i'm kidding
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i'm kidding no no wait uh okay go to uh go into podcast go into uh infographics
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okay and then you're gonna see uh one voting it's the first one pull that over
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okay and then f11 did you say why did we bring up ukraine okay go window mode for us oh bring
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back obs so we can see sorry guys one sec we're pulling up an infographic here on voting
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is this an accurate infographic coming from a accurate source i'm not sure if it's been
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fact-checked by bill gates's fact checkers so okay so this is so f11 eric okay so
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um yeah there you go so a percentage of population age 21 or over eligible to vote this is in the uk
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so but i mean it what okay so this is like pretty you know i'd say amongst western countries this is
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pretty much the case so you'll know this before like the mid 1800s it was pretty much a very small
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proportion of men had to vote the i this concept of voting is an incredibly new concept before that it
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was just tyrants you had kings queens they're the ones who had power a very very small amount of
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people had power yes there is a bit of a discrepancy there from about the 1800s to the early 1900s
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but there's there is actually a reason for that one of the reasons is because and uh i think i think
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we've seen it so if you want to just go ahead and bring it back eric one of the reasons for oh uh
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you need to go f11 in this uh stream yard window eric thank you um one of the discrepancies or one of
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the reasons for that is because men were the only ones that were subject to military conscription
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so the the way that men got the right to vote before women is we had to go
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in the trenches and die and we had to say we got the right to vote and elect a representative who
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would make be potentially making the decision if we went to war women even to this day in 2022
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they're they're not required to uh you have to register as a man you have to register with a
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selective service to this day we are still subject in 2022 to the to the military draft
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so that's the big thing that's one of the reasons why we got the vote before y'all because we had to
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fucking go and potentially die for our country women were able to secure the vote without the
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corresponding responsibilities and duties so you actually got when it comes to voting you guys
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actually have an advantage over men it was never about equality you got preferential treatment in
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actuality because you none of you are subject to the draft even today but what if someone there are
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men there are men alive today subject to the draft there are men alive today that were subject to the
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draft they went to the vietnam war they're well they're alive today so some of them came back they
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have probably serious psychological issues a lot of them are homeless a lot of them just didn't come
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back and they're dead now there hasn't been a draft in a long time but we're still subject to it and
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the way the world's going it's certainly plausible that we could see i mean we see what happened in
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ukraine do you think that there's a world war three brewing i don't i don't absolutely i don't know but
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it's even even if even if war isn't likely men are if we don't register with a selective service
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we we can potentially face criminal prosecution do you think that there's going to be a draft do you
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think that there's a possible um draft that could be i mean i'm just asking out of pure curiosity
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the military can't find enough able-bodied people right now because it's it's still volunteer service
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right now and they're struggling to hit their numbers my dad always says this but i i asked him
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this question the other day i said is it possible to um is it possible for there to be another draft and
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he told me he doesn't think so just because of like the you know the new way of fighting is just kind
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of like it's very technology based i mean i might be wrong but gen 5 warfare right and so wouldn't
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that require less troops because it's there's still gonna be a draft i mean you still need troops for a
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lot of stuff like if you're going in you can do a lot of warfare using automated vehicles or robots
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or whatever it is but if you're going into another country like you're gonna need boots on the ground
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now it's just me not knowing anything so this is appreciative of the information yeah no and i i
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personally think world war three is brewing there's a lot of stuff brewing in the world right now
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are you scared no i have faith in god valid answer okay i mean if you want to talk about
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systemic oppression to this day men are systemically oppressed by the selective service i know you're
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smiling but the fact of the matter is a really important point if there was a war we would be
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drafted and you guys would be exempt and you you are exempt from having to register with the
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selective can i have another example other than the draft no another systemic we're more likely to
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be victims of police killings and police shootings and police brutality we're more likely to be
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incarcerated we're more likely to delete ourselves we're less likely to get sponsorships for college
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we're less likely to go to go to college more likely to be homeless that's a few um okay can i
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say something really quick sure um a lot of those things like i'm not saying they're not struggles
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because they are i'm just saying that like a lot of those struggles are because like
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people in power just take men more seriously and i think that like women's problems more seriously
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we're we are the disposable sex yes men are the disposable sex women are valued men
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go to war get killed be a war course yep but labor for us they like it's like it's no secret that men
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are just like physically more like capable than women well that's that's part of it these lights are on
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that's part different discussion that's part of it that's part of it but the other thing don't get
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it you're looking at this hold on guys you're looking at this through the lens of oppression
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okay you're looking at this like okay men throughout history haven't taken women seriously enough to put
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them on the battlefield right well the other side of the coin is that women have been highly valued
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throughout history for their ability to bear children and and everything else that you guys can
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do that men can't do you you guys are very highly valued for that that's why today we're still the
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dudes that get tossed into the meat grinder and you guys are protected from the fray okay
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child-bearing women have been extremely valuable throughout almost all of human history because
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without you guys the the race the culture the civilization the tribe can't go on we're expendable
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yeah but that's the thing it's like people only value women because of their fertility
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like they don't value their intellect they don't it's it's it's not that you're just valued for
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your fertility what do you value men for it's not that you're just valued for your fertility
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that's an incredible thing to be valued for like you guys have something that men don't
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well it would be nice to walk into a classroom and have like all the guys actually listen to me
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for once because personally i don't know about you guys but every time i've tried to say something
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in class where it's predominantly male mostly in like my science classes especially stem very much
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you get talked over people don't look at you the same they don't take you seriously they don't and
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as a man you'll never understand that people don't take i'm sorry to hear that no yeah that's
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that's unfortunate really like super understand um but i can i can guarantee you a lot of women feel
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that same exact way but once you graduate once you graduate and you have a what what are you studying
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um psych and brain science psych and brain science i mean there's actually affirmative action for
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women in stem in stem programs in the education system and also for hiring if you're if you're a
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computer scientist software engineer and you're a woman you're getting a job i think that's great
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that's a huge advantage still not the attitude that is given to women even though they do like i
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do agree affirmative action does help and whatever that it's still the attitudes like that's what i said
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when i said there's still undertones of it in our society i still feel like women are disrespected
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by men and looked down upon from my personal experience and from what i've witnessed people
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look down on all sorts of people it's not just women that are looked down upon like low value
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it's a widespread for low value yeah you're right but low value dudes for example i bet there's a
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million dudes that you guys have met and they felt like you guys never gave them the time of day and
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they'd probably have a complaint about that you know like it's just part of life you know for instance
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think about like a a plumber right like what i was saying about the lights and i didn't get that
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like think the last like woman who is an electrician that you guys met who is a plumber who keeps
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society rolling in a lot of the just like municipal stuff that we have going on like within our society
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it's all men that are making like sixty thousand dollars a year they're working like these blue collar
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jobs um waiting through just the hard telephone poles jobs the worst stuff you like it's not that bad
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here like you know for instance there was like a huge windstorm here a couple months ago there's
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like linemen right outside my you know like door working on power lines and whatnot i guess it's
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not like that's not too bad but you think about like hey if it's negative 40 out and there's a dude in
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montana and like that the heat goes out there's a dude getting up at three o'clock in the morning and
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below 40 negative below zero who's climbing up that pole who's like getting power back on so that people
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have heat and whatnot and that's pretty shitty and he's also doing that for like fifty sixty thousand dollars a
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year and i'm sure that's not i don't i don't know i literally do not know a single woman that wants
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a job like that and that stuff is just left to the men and it's kind of a raw deal you know why don't
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why don't chicks want those jobs i want to add a little bit to this i don't think we're trying to
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say that men don't have struggles but i think the problem is that women also have struggles and those
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struggles need to be taken as seriously as men's struggles well and like yeah of course it just sucks that
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like well actually as women our struggles aren't taken as seriously and a lot has changed but like
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it's still not completely equal i mean actually i think women's struggles are taken far more seriously
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than men's struggles there's almost no discussion about the struggles that men face what do you guys
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think about feminism like in your guys's opinion what what is feminism why don't you tell us what you
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think that is a great first great counter um i would say a feminist would be the kind of new
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generational woman the the kind of feminist movement that you're seeing now because there's
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been a lot of feminist movements in history um i would say the new feminist movement now i mean
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obviously there's extremities of it but you know women that are pro-life for example women that think
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that you know whatever wage gap is going on needs to be evened out women just that kind of thing so what
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what what are your guys's opinions on that on modernized like feminism should you should i go
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first yeah go for it go for it so my my sense of what feminism is and i you always hear different
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definitions and it seems to always shift um feminism is a oh tanner okay he's just going to the bathroom
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so feminism is a women's advocacy movement it's not an equality movement uh feminism has always been
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about women's advocacy um they'll fight for equality only where that equality would stand to benefit women
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if no benefit can be reaped feminists will not fight for it that's my sense of feminism
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it's basically trying to secure preferential treatment okay yeah okay i'm i'm an egalitarian
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i believe in equality but i'm i just cannot be a feminist because the core tenet of feminist is
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the patriarchy theory and and also feminism is just clearly anti-male it's clearly anti-male yeah
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in its ideology yeah well i also just think that like the definite like the actual definition of feminism
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is just that like you believe that women and men should have the same rights like i don't think
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like behind all the other stuff like if you're just looking at the definition of the word like
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that's what i believe it is it's not that i believe women should be superior to men i just
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think that they should be equal so if but why not just if that's how we're if that's how we're
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defining it i like that definition i like that definition the word feminism though has so much
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stuff attached to it like that we're straight white males trying to oppress women with our opinions
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and that we're evil and we are the patriarchy you're a pretty evil guy you mean that you're
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pretty evil okay bro what time is it i have places to be bro i'm sorry it is getting late
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we haven't uh it's ten we should bro okay um lauren she's getting a little angry i'm sorry i'm not
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getting angry i'm just like i just don't this isn't like productive like you're not going to change
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my opinion i'm not going to change yours like there's no i'm in the galatarian there's differences
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between us that we're never going to be able to understand like for instance so i'm i'm the only
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boy like in my family um i have a older sister and the younger sister that i love a lot and um you know
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they're they're both very beautiful and they've expressed how they have come across situations where
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like they couldn't walk down like hollywood boulevard or something like that without feeling like
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afraid and getting catcalled and then like getting pursued super aggressively and we're like they
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turn them down and then it it turns aggressive they're like afraid i i will never be able to
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understand that like i won't just there's a lot of things that you guys will not be able to understand
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as men that we deal with and then that's just you know it's it's yin and yang um that this is what it
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is you know also i i just want to be really clear it's totally okay for you guys to disagree with us
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that's totally fine it's encouraged there's no ill will towards you guys or anything we're just
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you know we're made this is content you know we're just having a debate that's that's how i view it
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like yeah honestly like i like that's kind of what i just said like i do think that like we just have
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different viewpoints like i respect some of your viewpoints and i'm sure you respect some of mine but
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like i just think like the point of this conversation i feel like i'm just getting frustrated because i feel
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like there's certain blockades that like i will never understand and you will never understand
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it's just we all have different life experiences every single one of us has a different upbringing
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we have different parents different just different everything and so i mean it that's the thing about
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arguments it's hard to see the other side when you're you've had you know you were raised a certain
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way you guys were raised a certain way we're different genders we have different struggles
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so i mean we're not invalidating your guys struggles and you guys aren't invalidating ours so i think
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we can reach the middle ground of maybe not agreeing but accepting your guys's opinions let
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me just respond to that like i feel like we're saying that we have different opinions because
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we're different genders and that we would never understand you know where you guys are coming from
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and it's a valid point i would be curious to hear a conversation between you guys and all of the women
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out there that disagree with modern feminism because there's a lot of them and they do have the same
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lived experiences as you guys and they have a lot of arguments against modern feminism and a lot of
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the points that you guys have raised i think that would be an interesting but there's a lot of people
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that disagree with the points that you've raised as well there's there's always going to be people
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that disagree yeah so the reason i said it is because you're kind of implying that we're you guys
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were implying we're disagreeing because we're a different gender with different lived experiences and
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i'm saying it's not about that like well it is about that i mean you're you're disagreeing with us
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because you don't it you're disagreeing with us and we're disagreeing with you because we're we're
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different like we have different views i want to just ask you guys just show of hands do you identify
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as a feminist yeah i would say yes show of hands show of hands just as why do you guys okay can i
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i don't i don't i don't agree with a lot of modern feminism i'm not holding the definition of the
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word the what the definition of the definition of equal rights yeah but in practice in practice
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it's totally something different what would you guys be open to me challenging you to change your
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identity you identifying from a feminist to an egalitarian explain what an egalitarian is in more
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detail equality um but but in practice it's something that's very different and the core
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tenant of feminism is the patriarchy theory which i agree with the patriarchy is there like a word
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like is there like a masculinism is that like a thing like masculinism or like there's men's rights
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advocacy wait is there a word for being like the oppression of men like is that a word it's called
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i mean there's a there's a matriarchy there's like an opposite equivalent to feminism yeah that's
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what i was oh sorry yeah that's because i was gonna argue the word for it because i was gonna
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argue that the reason that the word exists is because like women have struggled because they were
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women so i think like i think that isn't like the same thing it should be synonymous with the word
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egalitarian like by just obviously people have taken it too far but like i'm just saying that's why it
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exists yeah i would say that almost the opposite equivalent is like the positive masculinity movement but
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which is what is it called it's just kind of generally what did you say what do we think
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about it guys well he's like one of the people in it some people call it the manosphere but like
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there's a movement of positive masculinity and it's it's focused less though on like fighting oppression
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and more on bringing like the best possible healthiest masculinity into the world to help as
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many people i think that's a great movement like i think that men sure struggles like healthy
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masculine obviously like yeah there's a huge reason why you think women are more emotional than
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men it's because women have been more like taught to accept that they're emotional and like
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acknowledge and deal with their emotions but i also think it's because it's a hormonal okay it's not
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just hormonal it is okay it's not only hormonal obviously there's exceptions like there's some like
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non-emotional women there's some extremely emotional men i'm saying that like i think that men like have
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been conditioned to not like have emotions and i think that is detrimental and contributes to toxic masculinity
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i understand no such thing i understand i i 100 there's just toxic people
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is there toxic femininity yeah yes oh yeah yeah i i just think that there's toxic people why i'm
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gender it why do we have to gender everything can't we just because the reason why it's called toxic
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masculinity let me ask is there toxic blackness what the no but no but you see where i'm going with
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that it would be i'm not saying i want to make something clear i'm not saying there is but but
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you see like how attaching the term toxic to that can can almost be in the same way that that would be
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a racist thing to say it's a sexist thing to say that there's toxic masculinity or toxic femininity i
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just think people are toxic it toxicity knows no gender that's my take okay i i respect that take but i
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think that the reason why we attach masculinity onto toxic is because there's no shortage of things
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that could be toxic i'm just saying that by attributing like by saying toxic masculinity
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versus just saying toxic it kind of acknowledges that the reason for this toxicity this certain
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type of toxicity is because of the way of like more masculine i guess areas like the reason by how men
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were shaped you know it's not just by like people being toxic it's just saying that like there's a
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reason why it's called toxic masculinity versus just saying it was what are some examples of toxic
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masculinity like calling guys simps when they're like into their girlfriends like things like that you
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know the simp is a useful term at times okay if you're calling a dude a simp what about calling a guy a
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pussy when he's crying there's there's a lot of women that want to like clearly step all over men
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right and there's a lot of men that clearly just want to take advantage of women those are the far
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reaches of both sides no ifs ands or buts about it like most people don't fall within those categories
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but they're out there and they get the most attention mostly because of how people digest
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um most communication is via social media and it's not the moderate views of most people that are
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going to get the most attention it's going to be the people that are on the far reaches because
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that's going to drive the most attention the most clickbait the most hate and whatnot
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um there's a like there's a middle ground um of course there's going to be those crazy feminists
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that are out there that own they don't want equality they only want superiority and that's it there's also
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the same can be said about men you know i mean they're out there um the vast majority of people
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aren't going to fall in those categories though this is it's not going to happen you you guys also
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pinned the whole like simps and pussy thing on toxic masculinity kind of there's a shitload of
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girls who call dudes simps and there's a shitload of girls who call dudes pussies too i know but i'm
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not speaking i can't speak on behalf of like every other woman that's existed i'm just saying from like
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a general point of view like i think that like men have been conditioned to think that like showing
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emotion is like a sign of weakness that's that does happen that does happen we men and women are
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temperamentally different though like we have different temperaments and when i mentioned
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this came down to hormones earlier you guys laughed but like and i don't i'm not sure why
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you guys laughed but this is like a really important thing like the the dominant hormone in men is
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testosterone and the dominant hormones in women are estrogen and progesterone okay those change how
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your brain processes emotion right when a man has healthy testosterone levels he's not prone to chaotic
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mood swings and having his mood all over the place when women are going through a pregnancy or when
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they're going through different phases of their cycle your guys's emotions can go all over the
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place all of you guys know this okay this is just a part of nature it's it's just how things naturally
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work it's not a bad thing but this is why like this is why a lot of women lean on their men and their
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relationships to be like a grounding stabilizing force for them when they they feel like a lot of
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emotion because men generally have more stable emotions and it's not it's not as much because
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of conditioning but conditioning comes into it it's because of what's happening in our bodies
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i'm sure that some you know wait wait what did did you want to say something to that i said i i think i
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just laughed because like i think it's erroneous to attribute all of like the emotion like the discrepancy
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of emotions between men and women just to hormones like i think obviously like yes that's a part of
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it how big of an effect hormones have on our i know hormones i know okay obviously i know that
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women like it's huge are more prone to being hormonal in like the emotional sense but i also
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think that a factor of it is because men aren't like conditioned to express how they feel that's part
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of it that's part of it for sure that that is part of it and a lot of men have like super low testosterone
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now like way less than ever hell some dudes will probably call me simps like on here just for saying
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this but i will say like that women's innate ability to lean on their emotions and be more
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emotional that's what makes women beautiful and like their ability to do that and to have those
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perspectives from their emotions is a good thing we love just as men who are able to lead from their
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frame that is a good thing too again it's the yin and the yang like men and women are made to
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complement one another like we are superior and inferior to one another in different ways for
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good reason i agree i like that i really like that i like that analogy i i like the yin and yang the
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men are superior in some ways women are superior in some ways we offer different things that's like i'm
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a very unempathetic person did you say unempathetic yeah a lot of the times but for instance like you
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know who i'm with right now she is very empathetic and i guess we complement each other in that way
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can you talk about her can you talk about your situation can you we just we've been having a
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heated debate i feel like it's kind of a yeah what do you want to know what do you want to know lightness
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okay you know the whole situation with the thing and then you know the thing can you talk about it
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do you want do you want can you just give us a quick story i mean not not really but then
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so yeah okay and let me let me just say with what we were saying before like i know it's like heinous
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for dudes like to stand against feminism or whatever no i'm not i know it's like heinous for us to like
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stand against it but one of the reasons why i'm like not totally in support of everything that comes
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with feminism is because like there's this idea that the only differences between men and women are
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because of like cultural conditioning and that we men and women are basically equal in how we function
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and all this stuff but culture conditions us to be manly or to be womanly i think god created men
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and women like tanner was saying to complement one another and i think that feminist narrative of like
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it's all cultural conditioning i think that like overlooks like some of the most beautiful aspects
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of our humanity you know yeah i agree but i also think that just by like categorizing all feminists
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into that label it kind of like gets rid of the ones that are actually like rational like hopefully like
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part of us are being you know i got a question so feminism is about equality right yeah so what is
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a way in which feminism has advocated for men well i mean they they like agree that men should be able
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to like express their emotions without shame okay that seems fairly minor yeah what do you mean express your
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emotions though can you elaborate on that and who do you think that men should should explain their
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emotions to um i mean just like as a general way of saying like they're allowed to have emotions and
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they don't always have to be like solemn okay i will say this right so for instance right now like
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with my relationship i think that a man for the most part should be like a rock in a relationship and
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should be you know extremely strong and lead right and he shouldn't burden the woman that he
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is with with his like emotions as heavy emotions i'll say it like outright right now i jason's one of
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my best friends like i've cried to him and been like hey this is what's going on my life and this
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fucking sucks this is the worst thing i've ever gone through my entire life and i'll express those
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emotions like with him and go to him to help be like hey man i need help with this right like this
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fucking sucks i'm not gonna go to a woman that i'm with and be like hey this is the hardest thing
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ever deal with and i don't know if i can do this because they're gonna lose confidence within me
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and they're probably just in their innate being yeah they're gonna lose confidence and they're not
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gonna trust me as much versus like i can go to strong men that i have in my life that i'm super
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grateful that i have and talk to them about what's going on i you guys might not understand that and
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that's okay chicks say that they want men to express their emotions but when men express
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their emotions and moments of weakness it causes chicks to break up with dudes it's happened a
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million times it's always bad it's it's bad but this has been a very heavy conversation i feel like
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we should talk about body count no no i should not we should be a 621 guy i bet you can't fight
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i i don't know how much longer you guys want to go but i do have a really important question for you
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guys before you guys yeah it is because we do yeah okay just one go for it this is this is a
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really positive thing for for everybody listening and everybody in the room for all of our male
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listeners what do you guys as women think what is the the number one thing that you guys think men
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can do to make themselves more attractive to women good question that's not the adjective i was
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expecting what were you expecting i thought you were gonna say something like more supportive like
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better no because there's there's a lot of guys listening to this these podcasts and they're
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trying to figure out like how to be successful with women and stuff and from a woman's perspective
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like what do you guys think dudes can do and i don't think he means support women i don't think
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he means not physically attractive like he means to be attractive yeah yeah like uh it could be a
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personality thing yeah yeah for me um i think it's a guy who like makes me feel important
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like someone who like kind of goes back to what we were talking about originally like way long ago
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um how sometimes if you go and you have like that body count you went and said like sometimes it can
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be unattractive because you don't feel like what you have with her is like special like if a guy
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like makes me feel special like i'm the only one for um for him like that makes me feel very
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important that's very very attractive to me okay that's a good answer i agree with hannah a big thing for me
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is confidence everyone has things they're insecure about but everyone has things that they're proud
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of and they love about themselves and being confident in those things and leading with those
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things is so attractive and not being scared to show those sides of yourself i feel like i don't know
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that's attractive so confidence don't be scared to be who you are be proud of who you are and if
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there's things you don't like about yourself just focus on the parts that you do like about yourself
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so men should lean into their strengths to build their confidence yeah okay yourself um i really
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value emotional intelligence in a man because i believe that um in a lot of circumstances um
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conflicts can be resolved through emotional intelligence and i also think that emotional
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intelligence can aid a man and both obviously both parties have to be emotionally intelligent at some
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level um but i think it's important for a guy to be able to kind of be able to be as supportive as
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possible to his girlfriend because i may go back to your point predominantly girls are a little bit
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more emotional in relationships at least the ones that i have been in it's okay to admit i have been the
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more emotional one and what helps me is a really supportive um man to lean on absolutely yeah it's a good
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thing to admit there's no shame there's nothing wrong with that there's no nothing wrong with it
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yeah and let me tell you as a dude when my girlfriend is like in an emotional state i love
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being a rock for her it makes me feel like a man but it's hard when it's well okay nevermind
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don't date boys i get what you're saying date men date men date men yeah okay so emotional intelligence
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being able to understand you yeah you need emotionally and also i would say i mean getting into you know
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adulthood i think commitment is definitely a huge one because i mean at the end of the day you want
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to marry the person that you're dating right and you're not able to do that if they're not equally
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committed as you and commitment can be almost like things like i don't know a good morning text or things
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like just being the shoulder to cry on is commitment to the relationship just doing the little things
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every single day that nourish the relations the relationship and just keep it strong and whole
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okay yeah good answer thanks no disputes i think that the sexiest thing for a man to have is
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intelligence like in both an emotional and like regular whatever intellectual my boyfriend is also
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pretty emotional and he goes to stanford and he's like a comp sci major how's he emotional
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because like well i don't know if he's like he's not like i don't know like volatile but i think he's
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like comfortable with his emotions like he's like i don't know he like expresses that he like loves me
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and he's not embarrassed like if his friends like roast him like things like that you know that's cool
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that's a sign of security i think so too yeah big thing i want to bring up some somebody's comment
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i don't know where it was because like hey i'm a cop and saw some and my wife
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wasn't there but like my my friends were um men don't like okay i'm military uh i'm not like a
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combat vet or anything never like went and did anything cool or anything but like men talk to
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your brothers um for sure like talk to them you don't have to bleed everything out onto like women
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and whatnot and people like within relationships just talk to your friends because they're probably
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going through something very similar to themselves and they're gonna be open and honest with you
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and like be that shoulder they will be that shoulder to cry on if you have a good set of men around
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you it's very important brotherhood is essential i wanted to hear from hannah too and after after we
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hear from hannah um we'll do i got one more question to ask the panel and then we gotta we
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gotta wrap up the super chats and then we'll wrap up um we've gone a bit long and i just want to make
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sure we can get uh the girls and the guys out of here uh at a reasonable hour so appreciate your
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guys's patience we'll get you out of here very soon go ahead hannah um i think it's really attractive
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when a guy has passions that he really cares about because i've dated i've dated a lot of guys that
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just don't have any passions and that just it gets boring you know like you need to be interested in
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things you need to like want to learn about things you need to be curious it's yeah it's really important
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for me that i'm with somebody that's passionate okay great it's a good answer uh it tends to be pretty
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common yeah yeah so also one thing we do we just want to open it up to the panel if you guys have
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a final thought or a question that you want to ask for one of us for the panel um feel free if you want
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to skip just to move things along that's fine too um so hannah final thought or question i don't have any
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i don't um this is not problematic towards you guys but why are your viewers so racist
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racist they have no reason to be so racist what what were they i was just go through the comments
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bro um you know what the oh man wait wait wait wait i'm not sure chun lee get some help
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you know i uh the views the internet the internet the views expressed in the comments do not necessarily
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reflect those of the uh hosts or panels so yeah yeah yeah i mean it's pretty common though
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for uh chat to just be uh there's some good guys in there like there's a lot of good guys in there
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but there's some people and some of it's just trolling they're just fucking around you know
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most of the comment section is awesome and it's anonymous it's anonymous too so um that was your
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yeah okay wait what was like the like final thought or question for the panel you can you can skip if
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you want like i i think i'm good i think we covered a lot of things we did talk about yeah we did talk a
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lot i i think i'm good yeah don't really have anything in particular okay yeah i i think i
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don't really have anything to add i just want to say thank you for the debate and for like yeah thank
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you for coming even though there was a lot of things we disagreed on um i appreciate you guys
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listening to what we had to say and letting us talk yeah it's good to have a debate even if it gets a
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little heated you know it's if you can't offend people if you can't express your opinions then i yeah i
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think that's one of the most important things just like in here like just to be open-minded and
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like going like you guys heard you know us out and then we heard you guys out and like for me too it
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really like helped me kind of like expand my perspective because now i really you know was
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able to see like what you guys saw and like you know i'm definitely going to go and take those
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things like into like a situation think about that and like you guys too like i really appreciate
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everything that you guys had to say and a lot of guys out there you know you might talk about some
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of the stuff with some guy friends you know some of the body count type stuff a lot of guys just can't
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be honest with this stuff because they're gonna get canceled they want to sleep with you so you know
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there's that uh tanner i think you had your final thought with the the cop thing right um i mean no i
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had a oh you got a great time with y'all okay yeah no um this was awesome anybody talking smack in the
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comment section then you guys can probably fight so go do push-ups yeah so owned and then chase i
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think you got your kind of question you wanted to ask right no that was that was it it was what dudes
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can do to yeah okay cool it's more attractive so can i give my impression of the yeah yeah go for it
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yeah i uh first off massive respect to you guys for we had some challenging conversations tonight
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and uh i think you guys articulated yourselves well we obviously disagreed on a lot um thank you
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for expressing where you're coming from because as a conservative dude i don't often get to have
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heated debates with liberal women who have almost opposite viewpoints as me so thank you for that um
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thank you also for like i feel like you guys like really had a lot of curiosity towards us in terms of
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like how we look at women and like you guys were very curious to hear what we think about like dating
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and clothing choices and all that kind of stuff and i i feel like that displayed humility and uh
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it was nice to be able to explain ourselves in that way and uh yeah respect all right so my final
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or unless i was gonna say even though i attacked you guys a lot like i appreciate you like explaining
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your like side of things no it's good it's it's good it's all right we can take it no it's good it's
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good to uh debate i think disagreement is uh healthy disagreement is and debate is sorely lacking and
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that's why we're so polarized because we can't have conversations we can't that's what we're doing that
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is what we're doing uh so i have my final question for the panel oh no
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you guys know what's coming okay so you all said just to bring it back here body count shouldn't
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matter oh my god body count shouldn't matter right here we go okay if body count shouldn't matter
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are you gonna ask for ours what's your body count
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three go ahead i think it's a social construct i'm not gonna share what but i hold i i i thought
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it was a social construct it shouldn't matter it doesn't matter i don't know like but just like
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for people who are curious i think you should share i don't want to thank you though if it doesn't matter
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why don't you want to be the change you want to see in the world
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i'm uncomfortable doing that's fine i already said three three okay for the sole purpose
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my mother asked me this question yesterday mom my mother oh my mother asked me this question
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and i refuse to answer and i'm gonna refuse to answer because my mother will be watching this
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and that is just not it's just not it's just really not it's just if my mother if we can somehow block
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her then maybe but i'm kidding i'm kidding love you what's what's her username no i actually have
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no idea but i think i'll stand with that one yeah gotta protect them yeah gotta protect the mothers
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yeah my mom wasn't watching i'd tell you guys no and i'll tell you off camera too but it's like
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i don't care if anyone knows but my mom like i don't know and my dad guys my father and it's not
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even bad man you all said it doesn't matter and none of you did we say anything about our parents
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wait what are your body counts i see i feel like the mother thing is like a cop out to be
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it's really not my mom asked me that yesterday over facetime she goes so how many people have
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you slept with and i was like that no comment like no comment okay so whatever the number is
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multiplied by three so just what are your body talents why didn't you answer well i think so i
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think body count matters so okay so therefore you're not answering well of course i have a reason
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to but i think chase you've shared before right do you want to share again not really not if they're
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not going to answer i did answer she answered you did you did we've got to get a few more answers
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before i share tanner you got to come in bro because we know we know about you i'm i'm not
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gonna answer on air that's way too many people come on come on yeah that's really awful no it's not
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why what that was that was brave what you answered the question and it's also it's also it's also not
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not an answer that's like really going to get you judged like you that you didn't have much to lose
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by saying that wait what do you guys have stuff to lose i mean do we what he has stuff to lose he
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might have stuff to lose i might have stuff to lose i mean i'm just not sharing mine out of spite
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because you guys didn't share there we go okay wait can we guess can we guess i'm totally comfortable
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sharing it five okay wait are you guessing i'm guessing i'm guessing why don't you tell us yours
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and then five okay no oh that's not mine i'm just i'm just trying to guess okay am i cold hot do you
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have a guess i mean you said you went through a phase so maybe like 12 okay um i'm gonna guess
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eight okay i'm gonna guess number nine okay but you can only tell us if it's true if we picked the
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right number none of you guessed it okay okay is it lower or higher i feel like it's definitely higher
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it was it was in the ballpark 20 it was in the ballpark 20 no number seven yes i've slept with
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seven women yes so you guys gonna tell us now or what no body count doesn't matter guys it's a
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social construct body count was truly a social construct and it didn't actually matter these
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women would be very happy to share it with us people weaponize it and that's not something you
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know what i've said things in this conversation people are going to weaponize against me someday
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and it's important to be the change you want to see in the world we must speak truth yes speak the
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truth the best thing you can be is yourself for sure like there's so much fake everything fake
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people fake food fake systems the best thing you can be is yourself okay so they're not going to answer
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well that's totally fine let me guess let me guess is it under 20 oh wait oh oh if it's way under 20
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then you shouldn't i just feel i have a boyfriend that's like weird like i don't want to talk about
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that okay that's fine that's understandable it's fine it's fine we won't pressure no it's way higher
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no i'm kidding joking all right well well so but let's talk a little bit about a little bit about
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body count right why does it matter chase why does body count matter you already explained why it
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mattered okay did i have like a 30 minute conversation did i explain i don't think that
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you were doing other stuff around the room okay yeah okay yeah oh guys that is a really nice
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message do you think the double standard is an acceptable double standard so in other words a guy
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can sleep with a lot of girls he's kind of seen as a stud but if a woman sleeps with a lot of men
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she's seen as a slut do you think that is a reasonable or justified double standard i don't
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think it's justified not even a little bit well why would it be justified like what i don't get it
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like you're asking you're asking is it okay for society to like be like yeah yeah guys like keep
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sleeping with as many women as you like want type thing and then like guys are seen as studs and women
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are right seen as sluts right well i don't think yeah i don't think that's justified you don't think
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it's a justified double standard no i mean would you guys justify that i think it's i do think it's
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justified for a few reasons really okay here we go i knew that was coming i knew that was coming i
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knew that was coming i want to know why you think it's justified wait i agree with him by the way of
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of course of course you do of course you do so wait when you say it's justified do you mean it's
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like okay for guys to sleep with more girls okay but there is a reason people there's there's a
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able to sleep with a lot of women are studs and women who sleep with can you please explain your
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reasoning so so i'll come in um yes there is a reason for the double standard one it's a lot easier
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for y'all to get laid than it is for men way easier i mean i can open it up to you if you guys
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think it's harder for women to get laid but uh i think that might just be because men have like
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lower standards though like a lot of men do have lower standards wait if men wait if men had lower
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standards so wait i'm pointing at the camera i see people in the chat saying what i just want them
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to know i see their wait so it's harder for men to get laid because they have lower standards
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wouldn't it be easier for men no yeah i'm saying it's like the reason why like it's easier for men
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is because they have lower standards oh so you you think it's easier for men to get laid than it is
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for women to get laid wait hold on so look like women choose who they want to have sex with men take
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what they can get but also men choose who they settle down with and who they choose to like have a
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partner i think that's a generalization yeah i think i will make it way simpler so that everybody
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can understand all of you women right now there's probably a hundred plus dudes that you know that
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would sleep with you in an instant okay for all all guys at any given moment in time except for the
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top top tier dudes at any given moment in time there's probably less than six women that would have
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sex with them okay you can be an average woman and there's going to be a million dudes that are going to
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want to have sex with her an average guy is going to have barely any women that want to have sex with
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him women tend to want the guys at the top okay you don't have to be a woman at the top for men to
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want you so it's really easy for women to have sex okay it's it's way harder for men to find women that
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want to have sex with them most men are completely looked over like most men are invisible which is
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yeah which is why it's impressive when a guy is a it's societally impressive when a guy is able to sleep
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with a lot of women okay it's not impressive at all if a girl can do that all you have to do is
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just freaking open your legs like literally it's like literally that easy it's easy like yeah you
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don't really get easy you just show up you could you walk into a club a party you just gotta show up
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all of you could go on tinder right now and sleep with a guy by the end of the night okay but we also
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don't represent all of females there's a lot of women that are overlooked too you're right you're
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absolutely right i feel like it's kind of equal it really just depends no no no no no no the average
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woman the average woman is going to have a shit ton of guys that want to sleep with her okay most
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even if you look through an average woman's like tinder dms or whatever a very average woman
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could have have sex super easily yes very that's why the double standard isn't justified because
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i could have sex with hundreds of guys if i wanted to but i don't but that's a good thing yeah
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good stay that way no no no no let me finish let me finish so that's why it doesn't make sense to
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me to shame women for having a higher body count when they're still rejecting 90 of the guys that
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come up to them it's like we're still we still have very high standards still like that's why the whole
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double standard thing isn't making sense to me because guys are taking what they can get it's like
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wait so if if you knew a chick that had slept with 150 men you wouldn't look down on that at all
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i would not judge her no would i want to have sex with her maybe not you wouldn't think you
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wouldn't think she was kind of a slut or anything like that i honestly that's not my business i
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don't want to have sex with her i'm straight so it's like i will say i'll say this most women could
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sleep with most men most men could not sleep with most women so this is your guys's way of okay wait i
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just i'm trying to understand the justification so because women can sleep with however many men that they
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want and men have a smaller pool right is what you guys are saying they have a much smaller pool
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so that makes it like better for men to like rack up the numbers no we're not saying it's better
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it's just there's a justification for the double standard okay wait would you guys say that i don't
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think it's better predominantly positive double standard no we're just saying it exists for a
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reason like it's a valid double oh okay so you're not saying that you like think it's i don't i don't
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think it's a good i i think it's a terrible thing for dudes to just run through women i think it's
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oh okay but there is a reason why well i misconstrued that in my head because i thought that you guys i
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thought that you guys were making the point of oh it's a good double standard no no it should stay
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that way that's not what we're saying okay then i agree with you okay okay so we can agree on one thing
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all right great yay she doesn't she doesn't agree are you guys getting like paid by the hour or
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something like what is going on no no no it's uh i'm losing sleep anyways um okay so we're gonna do
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super chats and we're gonna wrap up the show guys so bear with me bear with me here um okay so oh my
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gosh um just do super chats that are 20 or above like you said we're going to the thing is is that
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some of these came in beforehand so okay uh did we already did this one um i think did we do is it
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is this one uh did i do this one no edward scornfield i don't know if you're still watching but really
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appreciate all your super chest and i'm in your fucking legend ten dollar soup chat programming
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is prolonged associative memory behavior changes and the things we value change huge fat butts and
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boobs don't serve any function smart men won't value that much in the future um thank you man appreciate
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it uh let's see okay oh we got this guy um girls like these on the panel will definitely sleep with
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this ex-convict i'd like to hear more of the curly-haired cutie and pink speaker mind she's deep
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uh hey uh that's brandon by the way he's been on a couple shows um pink haired do you wanna you
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wanna give a response to brandon there um i think he's shooting a shot what do you gotta say she's
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single oh yeah right yeah um yeah thank you okay okay mike davis five dollar soup chat hey brandon
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forget the curly hair don't be cheating on me yeah mike davis and brandon i guess have a bit of a uh
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mike davis is trying to make conjugal visits to brandon when he's in prison oh yeah uh type of
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guy to go go dance around the weekends and apologize to the patrons for what they're witnessing okay
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thank you uh chase the type of dude to drive safely that's i'm actually insulted by that bro
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that's a big insult i like to drive as dangerously as possible in gta man otherwise the game isn't fun
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mike davis thank you for the ten dollar soup chat much appreciated uh shape my schaefer meister thank you
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for the twenty dollars i think that's your buddy right yeah we got to his other yeah yeah my man
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in the gray thinks just because a girl is dressed slutty she wants to get railed not everything
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revolves around sex he's insecure level nine thousand wow cool story bro zavi thank you for the ten
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dollar soup chat much appreciated uh chase you want a quick little response to that or i don't think
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every girl that's dressed slutty wants to get railed i think dressing slutty is a way for women to
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signal to guys that they're uh they're down though it's interesting i feel like that i feel like
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that's gonna get clipped and i'm gonna get raked through the coals andrew tate andrew tate five
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dollar soup chat she had that gawk gawk three thousand that's why my homeboy that's what my
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homeboy basically said no idea who you're talking about which which girl is it what did i miss something
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what i don't know which one keep going yeah this is all this is these all of these are well after
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yeah just do the twenty dollars yeah no that's good we'll get them uh jordan cole twenty dollars
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brian robert brian robert lewandowski was the bpd girlfriend the one you did all the super old
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videos with if so i understand uh no that was not andrea but it was well i'm not gonna say but um
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yeah guys do not date women with bpd sorry just learn from me learn from my mistakes do not do it facts
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uh let's see uh okay that was under the limit uh devon jackson ten dollars they were talking
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about the page patriarchy but all want men that are stronger than them taller than them make more
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money and are smarter than them shaking my head devon jackson thank you for the ten dollars girls if
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you want really quick do you have a that's not what the patriarchy is but okay okay no comment
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thank you for the two dollars there uh jack miles i think the three stooges on the right should
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volunteer when world war three okay you guys will be at the front lines that's my boy jack jack i'll
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see you there brother i know oh by the way i forgot to do this um we do have a rule if you refuse to
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answer the body um count question you have to wear this for the rest of the stream so here you
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no so all of us have to here just it's a it's a world war it's a world war one war helmet here just
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put it on no i'm okay dude you have to tell no you have to tell them that they have to put it on before
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they answer yeah you didn't you didn't answer it either so i think you have to wear it yeah you have
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to there we go playing by the rules looks great oh god you look good thank you man yeah you look
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fantastic it's a good look it's a good look i'm gonna wear it to the club later okay the spearmint
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all right um devon jackson thank you for the other ten dollar soup chat man much appreciated
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men's struggles aren't taken seriously at all facts it's true it's true backed yep okay we got no bull
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spit with the ten dollar soup chat by the way thank you for being a member man really appreciate it
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only women children and dogs are loved unconditionally a man is only loved under the condition that he provides
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something chris rock facts david goggins hardcore facts 100 100 100 um mike davis ten dollar soup chat
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i'm not young i've seen many such females back in the day it's nothing new or chic they either
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change their views with time or ended up bitter and lonely history repeats itself he's the one that's
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paying to say this so any you guys gonna shoot shots he's a man with experience though he's been
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around davis is the man mike davis is and here he is watching us that's all i have to say
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he's also the one i wouldn't he he's also paying to insult us too so you you said that yourself
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right yeah you did say it yourself okay here blondie put this on i'm not down i like i'm afraid of life
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don't trust you somebody's gotta wear it put it on okay just i'll do it i'll do it it's fine
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she's taking one for the team she's taking one for the team there you go okay uh mike davis with
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the ten dollar soup chat brixton or sorry brian no offense but all three of you fit the description
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of beta male get a real man like mr organic myron sneaker and tate and they'll dismantle these women
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easy work okay damn like i think it's just a rose hey mike davis why don't you say that to my face
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bro come on the podcast i would love for him to come on the podcast mike and andrew and then we
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need edward i would love that yeah that'd be entertaining mike davis appreciate it oh mike and
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edward yeah edward you need to come on the two guys we want to talk yo glibis sorry a glibis la
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thank you for the ten dollar soup chat um sorry if i'm mispronouncing your name there this is the first
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time i'm able to send super chat in the last five to seven streams by the way i saw that you became a
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a member i think it was about two or three weeks ago really appreciate the support man glad to see
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you in the chat thank you for this super chat man appreciate it keep it up great show hey dude thank
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you much thank you so much for the super chat oh man third one in a row dude thank you man i would
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want to be in relationship with a girl if her body count is over 10 i would wouldn't he says i would
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he said he would with a girl that means he would i don't know if he misspoke no i want to be in
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relationship with the girl if her body count is over 10 and i know it okay so he's fine he's cool
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with a woman who has yes hey thank you for the support everybody has their preferences that's
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cool thank you for the three ten dollars much appreciated yeah you the man okay uh well that's
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it for the super chats we got through those uh fairly quickly guys we got a lot of super chats
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tonight really appreciate all the support um did we is that it eric did you miss any or did we get
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all of them you think that's it any closing thoughts from the ladies last final this was
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a delightful conversation i really appreciate it guys she's wearing a cap i don't know if that's
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cat i know that might be cat likewise are you just saying that to be nice what are you just saying
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that to be nice what the conversation no i'm genuinely like i i i mean i'm not gonna pat myself
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on the back but i i'm very open-minded so i really really appreciate everything you guys had to say
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like literally me and my friend jess like we were just taking we had the craziest summer and
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it kind of started like a couple weeks ago when we um were asking like 20 questions this game with
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a group of like our guy friends and then we were able to go and get their perspective on things which
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we thought was like so like we didn't realize that and then we started asking all of our other guy
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friends and trying to like implement that and we saw kind of like the change it went and made
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when we how we interacted with guys and then um yeah and then just how what came out of that too
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so i genuinely yeah thank you so much guys no yeah i agree with hannah we've learned that
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learning guys perspectives you can learn a lot from that so yeah a lot out of this podcast and yeah
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thank you guys so much for coming i got the sense you did too and respect like it was fun i had a lot
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of fun yeah i appreciate the viewpoints yeah by the way even though even though we disagreed i enjoyed
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i enjoyed tussling too uh evil matt yeah i do we do get twitch chat in here but just not a lot of people
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are uh commenting on twitch so but yeah i do uh my boy schaefer meister who dropped a lot of super
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chats is asking for a bar on stream let me just say what's up my bar and then just last you my bar
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let me get let me get this final uh hey thank you man for that uh total total of 40 super chat really
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appreciate man good to see you in a lot of money tonight bro i maybe i don't know i feel like he
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he doesn't want to say because we should be getting paid now too yeah our time is very valuable
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you guys were a great panel yeah you guys were fantastic you know i know we had some heated
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moments but we do really appreciate you guys uh sticking it out some some other people would
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probably walked off i know you were maybe thinking about it for a second there what time is it no i
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do appreciate and i do appreciate you guys staying a bit late here we did go pretty late on this one
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um yeah so thank you so much to the uh panel thank you ladies thank you so much thank you man thank you
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you're welcome are we missing i feel like we're missing something i don't know are we missing
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so uh i don't think we are what any like and subscribe oh yeah by the way the instagram everyone's
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instagrams are in the description please give them a follow uh yeah shoot them and as far as like the
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no never mind okay never um yeah but thank you guys so much for tuning in um we will be live again
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chase did you want to come in yeah i just wanted to say thank you everybody for listening thank you guys
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for the super chats towards brian and all of us thank you guys also for the comments i don't know
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about you guys i get so much entertainment out of reading people oh it's so interesting it's this was
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a very rewarding experience yeah yeah we can't address all of your guys's comments but they are
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so entertaining and you guys should just keep it coming so chats are awesome yeah yeah so uh we will
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be live again thursday at 7 p.m pacific again i want to thank the panel again for coming you guys
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were great thank you so much appreciate it yo someone said tristan oh shit oh we got a big old
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shafer oh wow okay he he needs to come on the show get him on the show dude jordan jordan bring him
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on the show you should come do this with us come be on the show come be on the show bro hey you guys
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see you guys see his profile picture right there he's a good looking dude i took that when we were
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in college oh wow wait you know him yeah that's one of my that's one of my oldest get him on the show
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that's my boy i love that he's also very handsome and based so ladies
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yeah uh eddie ed says bring fiery lauren back for sure which one's lauren oh this lauren
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well i thought he was talking about there's a different there's a fiery lauren and the ice
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cold lauren i don't know yeah no you were good you were good it's yes okay she's not coming back
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guys she's not coming back we made her too mad okay cool um that's it guys jordan come do this with
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us bro come do this with us that'd be so much fun he's dude he's so based let's have a guy i'd love
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seven we should do it dude let's do it let's do it all right guys uh yeah thank you again thursday
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7 p.m uh thanks so much for watching guys thank you for all the super chats you guys were super
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supportive i really appreciate it and uh yeah we'll uh see you next time thank you guys i'll see you