Dating Talk #3
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3 hours and 40 minutes
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185.23201
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Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have our first guest, Kylie! She's a 19-year-old college student, Apex Legends content creator, and Twitch streamer. We talk about how she got into Apex Legends, how she pays her rent, and what it's like being in a relationship with someone who doesn't have a partner.
Transcript
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, coming to you live from Isla Vista, Santa Barbara, California.
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I'm your host, Brian Atlas. It's Brian with an X. The X is silent.
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I know you guys have been wondering what's the relationship status between me and her.
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We want to thank tracysdog.com for the complimentary mannequin, let's just call it.
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This is the Dating Talk podcast where we talk about dating, debauchery, and relationships.
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This is only our third dating show. We're doing it live, so appreciate your understanding while I'm still working out the flow and pacing.
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And just a quick note to the panel and viewers.
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For the sake of sparking conversation, debate, you know, I may play devil's advocate and take
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on a position I may not necessarily agree with, you know, and also debate, disagreement
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If you disagree with something I say or another panelist says, you know, feel free to challenge
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We're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, or if you're in school, your major, and relationship
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And I'm also an Apex Legends content creator and streamer.
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So, if you want to help me pay my rent, I would very much appreciate it.
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What kind of stuff do you post on your OnlyFans?
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So, if you want to get carried, just pay me 20 bucks and I'll get you a couple dubs.
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How much, just out of curiosity, so, how long have you been doing OnlyFans?
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Do you want to know, like, the total amount that I've made?
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But, like, I don't really promote it that much, which is why it's so surprising that it's,
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like, decently successful, because I posted it, like, once or twice.
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And do you do solo stuff, or do you have, like, a partner?
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Recently, I've been doing some partner content since I just got into a relationship recently.
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That was one of the things that I had to talk to him about, because I know a lot of guys
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are like, oh, I would never, like, I would never date a girl with an OnlyFans.
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Wait, but so you said you're doing hardcore on OnlyFans.
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I'm studying economics and communication, since we don't have business.
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Like, when you meet a cute guy, they just, like, their personality either sucks, or they've
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Like, maybe, or only one, only one night stands?
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But, it's just never, like, I would never, yeah, I've never, like, considered anyone
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Like, yeah, just, like, long gated flings off and on for a year, maybe.
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I feel that because I feel like, at this age, like, dating is, like, marriage.
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Like, if you start dating someone, you're, like, so committed, it's, like, we're gonna
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No, yeah, you become, like, the parents of the friend group.
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It, I made the name off of a, of a, like, a smoke shop in San Diego.
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Um, I don't know if I would consider, like, a two-week relationship an actual relationship.
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That was your, and that was your longest relationship?
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I don't, I'm not into a lot, like, hookup stuff.
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Like, if, I've, I've, like, I've, like, tried, like, talking to guys here.
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And, like, I've, like, had, I have a lot of girlfriends.
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Like, or, like, everyone's, like, Eskimos sisters.
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Do you guys think that there are more Eskimo brothers or Eskimo sisters out there?
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So, more women that have slept with the same guys.
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And there's a reason why that one guy is getting all the girls.
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We're going to react to some videos related to this topic.
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But, we'll just kind of go around the panel and get your guys' input.
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Okay, um, so, my answer to that is, definitely, whoever asks.
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If you're asking someone, then you're interested in them, and you're trying to persuade them to, like, go out on a date with you.
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So, if you're asking, oh, do you want to go to dinner with me?
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Because you're obviously trying to, like, will them, persuade them for you to like them.
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And, in my, like, case, I don't, I don't necessarily think it, it can be either, like, a man or woman.
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I definitely think it's someone, um, who's interested in the other person.
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But, in my case, I don't, I don't, like, necessarily, like, approach other men.
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I, so, generally, I would prefer if the man paid for me, because that means that the man has approached me, and they want to go out with me.
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And I want to see, like, this is sort of like a first impression.
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Like, if I went out with a man who paid for my dinner versus a man who didn't pay for my dinner, like, who would I like more?
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If they were both, like, if they were both, like, equally attractive, equally, like, um, just, like, they have, like, equally as good personalities, but one pays, one doesn't.
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Like, you're always going to have the upper hand in that situation, and you're always going to, and, like, if, it's just, like, if you want someone to like you more, then you should pay.
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But, like, there's no, like, oh, all men should pay.
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And I don't think in, I don't think, like, splitting the bill is, like, like, just either.
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It's just whoever asks the date, the first date.
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Okay, so you think whoever asks, they should pay.
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Assuming that I, like, that men approach women.
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And, you know, the date's going well, whatever, but he says, checks, you know, date's wrapping up.
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Okay, so the thing is, I will definitely pay if they suggest splitting the bill.
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But in my head, I'm like, okay, he asked me to split the bill.
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That's going to be considered in how much I like this guy.
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So you will feel a certain type of way if the guy says, hey, I want to split.
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I'm not going to make the guy, I'm not going to make the guy pay the bill.
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But you might like him a bit less is kind of what you're saying.
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That's also just like, in general, even when it doesn't come to dates, like you don't invite
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someone out to dinner or invite them over for a dinner party at your house and be like,
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You know, if you're the one asking, you're the one paying.
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You're the one inviting the other out to dinner.
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But I mean, if you were to get, go out with just a friend, for example, to get, grab dinner,
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Like, you split as if you're just hanging out with your buddies, you know?
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But so, do you want to just answer the question from the beginning?
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So, who should, like, who pays on a first date?
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Like, I don't know about you, but someone asks you out on a date, they're the ones pursuing,
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like, if a guy asks me out on a date, like, they're pursuing me, they should pay.
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I want to let everybody answer first, so go ahead.
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Honestly, this is something I've always been kind of torn about.
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Like, I don't want to expect people to pay for me because, like, I know I can, like,
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Like, I just don't like to expect anything from anyone.
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But if a guy pays for me, I'm definitely, like, that's hot.
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Like, and, like, if they ask me to split the bill, I'm going to be, like, sure, buddy.
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Like, and then I'm going to be, like, okay, like, take me home.
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Like, take me to my house and you're not coming.
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But, like, it definitely just, it's, like, oh, okay.
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It's, like, a nice little thing and I will always offer to pay.
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And if they accept my offer, like, I'll still pay.
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But I'd prefer someone to pay for me, but I don't need it to happen.
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So, yeah, if I asked a guy on a date, I still would not pay for the whole thing.
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On that, though, if a girl asks a guy or whatever, you know, like, the person who asked should pay.
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But, also, if you ask a guy on a date and they offer to pay, then that's, like, two points.
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Also, one thing we are, like, we're only thinking about, like, dinner dates, I feel like.
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But, like, if we're going to, like, the zoo or something, I wouldn't expect them to pay for my $40 ticket.
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Like, if we're, like, something like that, like, I would want to pay for, I wouldn't want them to pay for me.
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Sometimes I also, like, depending on how a guy says it, I find it kind of offensive.
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Oh, so if you offer and the guy's, like, no, no, no.
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But if you offer and he gives pushback, then you're offended.
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It's just the lose-lose for these men out here.
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I honestly just, like, really don't like dinner dates.
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And I don't like sitting across from someone and talking to them for hours.
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Because I'm, like, what am I going to say next?
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I actually agree with you that I think for a first date, dinner date, that's not it.
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I mean, my take on the dinner dates is, like, I feel like you want, at least initially, something
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I'll always want to speak to a girl on the phone before I meet up with her.
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And even if you're getting along with the person, it's just kind of, the waiter comes
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And then, like, I don't know about you guys, but when I eat, I don't like to talk when I
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I agree to a certain extent with all of you guys.
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Like, I don't care if a guy pays for my dinner.
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But, as you were saying, I do get offended if the guy is like, oh, no, like, and fights
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But going in, I would just expect 50-50, honestly.
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Like, if I ask a guy on a date, and I have a lot.
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When was the last time you asked a guy out on a date?
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Um, I've been, like, back home for the past couple months.
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There's other kind of encounters that might not qualify as a date, but there's an interaction
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You also were saying that the person who asks, they should pay.
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I don't ask guys out on dates, but, like, I ask them to hang out.
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Because certainly, if it's a guy you've met before, then I think it's a bit, then you
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can kind of open up a bit, I feel like, as a girl.
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I mean, personally, I mean, I've never met someone.
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I've never met up with someone from a dating app.
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So, like, I've always known the person and, like, hung out with them for multiple hours
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before hanging out with them again in, like, a more, like, romantic setting.
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Yeah, like, I'm friends with, I think that relationships work best when you're friends
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I've been on them, but it's just, like, to swipe and, like, get, like, validation.
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I just like when they, like, slide into my, I'm not going to respond, really, like, sometimes.
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So, of the times you've been on dating apps, you've never gotten a date or met up with
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I'm the recruitment director, so I'm planning all of the recruitment for fall right now.
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I'm the social planner, so I plan all of our events with frats.
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And so, I imagine, since you're in a sorority, that there's a lot of opportunities to socialize.
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There's parties and stuff with the fraternities.
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So, I feel like that's maybe one of the reasons why you haven't relied so heavily on dating
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apps is because you're meeting people a lot more organically in these more organic social
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So, I guess going back to Aline, you've never asked a guy out on the first date, though.
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So, I'm going to give my take on the whole, like, whoever asks should pay thing.
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And I'm probably going to just get heat from both sides here because I definitely think
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there's guys who agree, like, if you ask, you should pay, the man should pay.
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So, I mean, I think it's at best, the whole whoever asks should pay thing, I think it's
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at best kind of naive and at worst kind of like bad faith, willful ignorance.
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Because de facto, overwhelmingly, men must initiate.
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So, like, most women, like, they don't ask men on first dates.
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So, of course, like, if the asker is always going to be men, then they de facto have to
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So, like, that, to me, I don't know, whoever asks, like, if, it's just going to be the
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Chris, can we, why don't we pull up one of the videos?
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By the way, before you play, Chris, so, guys, in chat, this is our first time playing a video
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So, we're still kind of playing with the noise on it.
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In chat, guys, let us know if the noise from the video is either too loud or too low.
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What would you ladies do if a man asks you to split the bill on the first date?
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I would simply split the bill, but I will never see him again.
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What would you ladies do if a man asks you to split the bill on the first date?
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What would you ladies do if a man asks you to split the bill on the first date?
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There's only one person saying it's too loud, though.
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Believe it or not, I've actually been in this situation before, and I think this is the perfect
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So when the bill comes, if he asks to split it with you, the audacity, then I would just
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You don't need to text him and be like, thanks for a great time because you paid for yourself.
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However, if he tries asking you out a second time, then I would say this.
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And if he was like, yeah, obviously, then I would be like, oh, okay, I guess I'm just
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surprised because I didn't think you were interested in me last time.
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And then you can be like, well, typically if I split the bill with a guy, it's more of
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And the reason this is a good reply is because he's probably gonna feel a little embarrassed,
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And you're also asserting your standard in a really classy way.
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Okay, I learned this the hard way when I was younger, so I hope...
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And asks you to split the bill on the first date.
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Okay, I learned this the hard way when I was younger, so I hope a younger girl watches
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You pay for your part of the bill, you leave, and you never speak to them again.
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If you know that you want to find a girl that wants to be taken care of in a relationship.
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If you want to be wined and dined, you want to be gifted, you want the finer parts of life
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and a relationship, you never talk to them again for your own good.
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Because this is basically them signaling to you that they are not going to do that.
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Because that kind of guy will never ask you to split the bill.
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So, if you know that you're that kind of person, that kind of girl, like I am, you pay for
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your part, you leave, and go find someone who will do all those things for you.
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Did you guys have any thoughts on some of those videos we just watched?
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Because women that automatically assume that a guy is less, like his personality is not as
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That opinion is just absolutely ridiculous to me.
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Like, I don't know why people should expect a man to pay on the first date.
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Like, we're both eating our own food, so we should both pay for our own food.
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I feel like they're obviously not expected to, but if they ask me, like, can we split it?
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Hey, you know, I think it's totally okay for both genders, both men and women, to have
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their preferences for what they want in a partner.
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And so if you want the guy to pay, I think that is a reasonable preference to have.
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I personally disagree with it, but I totally think you're entitled to feel that way.
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I think that totally circles back to whoever asked to go on the date because whoever asked
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to go on the date has the power to decide what the date is and where the date is and
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And so if you can't afford to pay for the other person and you're the one who asked,
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Go to a fair, you know, buy her a churro or buy him a churro.
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So, you know, like, if you ask, you pay, man, you know?
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And if you were to ask to split it on the first day and he was the one who asked or they
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were the one to have asked, I just think that's kind of ridiculous because I go into a date,
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like, if someone were to ask me, I would go into it being like, oh, they're going to pay.
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And then the unexpected curveball at the end, it's like, oh, you didn't bring your wallet?
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You're really feeling the guy, you're attracted to him, but he does say, hey, let's split.
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Is that a wrap or is it just a little negative, a little negative?
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No, I would straight up be like, yo, dude, I really like you, but I was like,
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Honestly, if that were to happen and I actually really liked him and it was going great,
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Like, if a guy says, like, oh, do you want to go on a date or do you want to hang out?
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Like, if it's just hanging out with a friend that you, like, don't really know is interested in you,
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like, I suck at, like, taking a hint, you know?
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I won't assume that there's any romantics involved.
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And if there is, I'll just be like, yo, that's totally cool.
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I, like, disagreed with the video because, like, a lot of guys, it's not all about, like,
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if they have, like, money, especially in college.
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A lot of guys are, like, not, like, they don't have, like, a lot of money,
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but they want to take you out to, like, a nice dinner.
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They want to take you out and, like, have a good time, like, eat some really good food.
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But, like, if I, like, really like the guy, I'm going to like the guy.
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Like, splitting the bill, like, it'll dock some points off for me,
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but usually, like, with guys, if I like them, then I like them.
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Like, it'll, of course, it's a little dock, but it's nothing that'll deter if I actually like you, you know?
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Like, it's all about, like, impressing, like, the girl, like, in the date, you know?
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I agree with that because it's, like, their personality kind of comes first
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and, like, if they pay for it, it's more of a bonus.
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And also, if they do ask you to split the bill, it depends on how they offer it.
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If they're, like, not confident about it and, like, super awkward, like,
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like, would you mind, like, splitting the bill?
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So, if they're, like, hey, like, would you want to split this?
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And then some of those videos were also talking about your reaction after.
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I would not make a big deal about it because you also, like, don't know someone's financial situation.
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Like, I've dated guys in the past who, like, don't have money and I've paid for him
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because, like, I'm not going to, like, make him, like, go out of his budget when I know, like, I don't need it, you know?
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But I also, if someone asked me to pay later, I wouldn't, like, give them a hard time about it
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because, I don't know, something weird about me is that I don't like to make other people embarrassed.
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Like, if someone does something embarrassing, I'm like, no, you're good.
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Like, I hate when, because I hate feeling embarrassed, so I don't want other people to feel embarrassed.
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So, I wouldn't, like, say something to make them feel bad about themselves.
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On that note, also, like, just because we're all in college, we're all very aware that most of us are super broke.
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But, like, obviously, there's huge understanding around that and it's, like, yo, if you can't afford to pay for a date and I can, then, yeah, I'll totally cover it.
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And it goes both ways, by the way, from the comments that are, like, talking about, like, same-sex dates and stuff like that.
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Like, unless I'm going on a date with, like, a guy that I know is rich, and then they ask me to pay, I'm going to be like, no.
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Only if they're using them, if you're using them.
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Dude, who are you going on dates with, sugar daddies?
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Wait, so, have any of you ever gone on what is, and, well, actually, before I go there, I guess I'll give my take on the video.
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Um, so, it kind of echoed, to some degree, what you guys said, but I think they were kind of, uh, I think you guys would probably feel a type of way about it, but the impression I got is you guys would be polite about it.
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Whereas they, I don't know if they were just hamming it up a bit for the TikTok, but, like, they were definitely seemed like, I don't know, a bit rude, it seemed like.
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Like, and I don't know if that's what they would actually do on a date, but one of the girls was, like, the way she was saying how she'd walk through it, she'd be very condescending.
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And then, I'm like, I don't think that's, that's necessary, even if you feel, again, a certain type of way about, you know, if you have your preference to have the guy pay, I think that would be, to me, that'd be a bit rude.
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Like, it's also, like, in the moment, like, the vibe, but, like, I would never be, like, oh, no, I don't know, that's, that one was rude.
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I feel like people have a lot of negative, toxic takes on TikTok, and, and I'll, again, I don't know if they're hamming it up specifically for the TikTok just to, like, drum up controversy, because I can't imagine, I don't know, I like to generally think people are decent.
00:35:17.660
I can't imagine, like, if you were having a, if you were in person with, with them, that they would say that, like, to me, that's just.
00:35:25.460
Intentionally ghosting, just because you don't pay for a meal, seems a little extreme.
00:35:29.460
Like, it's just, if you like the guy, like, if you had a good time, just pay the fucking bill.
00:35:36.340
Well, I mean, even if that's a deal breaker that the guy pays, I, you know, again, I kind of disagree with that stance, but if that's the girl's boundary or preference, um, and, hey,
00:35:47.400
if she doesn't want to see the guy again, I disagree, but, hey, that's her call, but if you, then if you're rude about it.
00:35:55.040
If you're rude, you know, so, um, so, have any of you ever gone on a foodie call?
00:36:04.540
So, a foodie call is, like, you had, you had no romantic interest in this person, but this person offered to take you out to dinner, or, I mean, fly you to, you know.
00:36:17.380
You know, somewhere, like, take you out on a date, but you had, it was clear they had a romantic interest in you, but you didn't have a romantic interest in them.
00:36:28.180
Um, I'm not going to name names, but there was this guy.
00:36:33.140
There was this guy, um, I think, like, every, like, after, like, Friday night or whatever, like, I'd, I'd be, like, home from, like, partying or whatever, and he'd, like, he'd, he'd, like, text me, he'd be, like, yo, let's grab In-N-Out, like, but I'd go, like, he'd pay for my food, like, but there was, like, I'm, I'm pretty sure he's, like, interested in me, but, like, he never made a move or anything.
00:36:56.600
So I was just, like, like, that's, that's chill, that's fine, like, and I just, like, kept going, like, getting In-N-Out with this man, like, every, every night.
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Yeah, but, like, I, like, he was, like, I think he was in me, like, he would, like, text me shit, like, he'd call me, like, baby girl, like, whatever.
00:37:17.600
And you guys, every Friday night would go to In-N-Out. Get the In-N-Out hat, Chris. Chris, can you bring me the In-N-Out hat? It's, it's, uh, yeah, thank you, sir.
00:37:30.320
Thank you, thank you, Chris. This is Calamity Chris, by the way. First, first time on the stream.
00:37:42.100
Is it gonna ruin your hair, though? We don't wanna ruin your hair.
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One thing about me is that I'll eat, I'm gonna eat food.
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So, and was this pretty consistent every Friday?
00:38:00.520
Um, and I think, like, I just, like, wouldn't, like, I wouldn't, like, because I think he knew that, um, that I knew he liked me, but, like, I would never, like, give in to it.
00:38:11.180
He'd be, like, hey, like, like, I don't know, I don't remember, but he was, like, you're gonna give me a kiss or something?
00:38:30.460
Like, he was, he was, he was kind of like a, he was like a player.
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So, like, because I, like, talked to his, like, roommates and what, oh my god, everyone's gonna know now.
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And they're all just, like, yeah, he's a player, like, he has girls all over, all the time, but, like, I don't know.
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I'm just, I'm, like, I don't want, and then, and then he blocked me because I, like, never, like, get, like, I never, like, like, did anything with him, I guess.
00:39:05.460
And how many times did you go on dates with him?
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Um, I'm, like, um, I get, like, um, double, double, single, both animal style, animal style fries, sometimes a shake.
00:39:36.620
Um, and so, but you went out with, or, not, not dates, but how many times did this occur before the ghosts happened?
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Yeah, it's, like, electronic, like, Polish music.
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I've been behind, I have been behind that yellow Mustang at that In-N-Out.
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I haven't seen his face, but he must be going through that In-N-Out.
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I've seen him there at least two or three times.
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I saw someone back, like, back into the entire In-N-Out drive-thru today.
00:41:03.060
I think that guys like you more when you don't give them the attention.
00:41:07.100
Like, so, if this guy, like, he's a player, that actually would make sense that he kept
00:41:15.000
He's probably just used to girls just, like, putting out.
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Now, everyone's going to know who he is, but I'm not going to say his name.
00:41:44.320
If you're watching Mustang Guy, we want to hear your side of the story.
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But the thing is, like, I knew whatever the fuck he was doing.
00:42:03.180
I'm just going to be, like, yeah, you're not hot shit.
00:42:05.640
I'm just, like, I'm just not going to, like, play into whatever.
00:42:08.480
So, you finessed him for a double-double animal-style fries and milkshake.
00:42:23.540
Because you said he'd try to, like, kiss her or whatever.
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He was just, like, you're going to give me a goodnight kiss.
00:42:46.720
Like, if a guy's not, like, we've all been through the situation where it's, like, you
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Like, if you're not going to leave me, if you're not going to leave me alone anyways,
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Like, if you know that I'm not into you and you just want to buy me food, go for it.
00:43:16.700
Nah, I think it's probably just some guy messing around.
00:43:29.700
So, you were saying that you've been overt with guys and you're like, hey, I'm not interested.
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Especially when, like, you don't know them and they're creepy.
00:43:48.420
But you continued, despite this, you continued...
00:43:53.120
But you did say that you've let it be known that you're not into the guy, but you'd continue
00:44:01.100
So, you know when, like, you have a guy friend and, like, it is very obvious that he's new.
00:44:09.420
And you, like, make it known that, like, you're not into him like that.
00:44:15.780
You know how it kind of turns into he just, like, wants to, like, be around you?
00:44:20.800
And it's, like, okay, like, I liked you as, like, I'll keep hanging out with you as a
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And if you want to buy me food and stuff because you like me and you know that I don't like
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Like, if you want to torture yourself, like, knowing that I don't want to be with you,
00:44:38.200
I also think, like, men, like, like, half the reason why they pursue women is for the
00:44:44.900
Like, honestly, like, when, like, honestly, men are...
00:44:49.800
Their, like, main objective is, like, let's see if I can get this girl.
00:44:59.980
Like, once they get it and then they know, I think, like, half, like, the attraction has
00:45:12.440
I was talking about this with my guy friends the other day.
00:45:15.720
And my guy friend was, like, if you want to keep seeing a guy, you can't have sex with
00:45:20.220
them because immediately when you have sex with them, they lose all feelings.
00:45:28.300
My mom was always, like, when guys get the milk for free, they never want to, like, buy
00:45:48.100
So, your guys' experience has been, if you've hooked up with a guy too soon, that's it.
00:46:00.580
So, you have to hold out for as long as possible.
00:46:19.140
I feel like maybe I'm a bit of an outlier, but, like, I wouldn't judge a girl necessarily
00:46:27.980
if she slept with me on, like, the second or third date.
00:46:33.080
I think both men and women, maybe more so men, have, like, a third date rule.
00:46:37.940
Like, if you don't hook up by the third date, then that's not really a good...
00:46:50.900
One time, I hung out with a guy, and I was like, let's...
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And he knows that I don't like hooking up with people.
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And I'm like, you're so just going to want to hook up with me.
00:47:13.740
And then he's like, I swear to God, I will not hook up with you for six months.
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And I just want to, like, hang out with you, and I want you to be my girlfriend.
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And then, like, one time he tried to, like, get with me, and I was like, no.
00:47:48.300
We've been hanging out for, like, two fucking weeks every day.
00:48:08.240
Like, basically, for all, like, the women, like, you basically just have to, like, interpret
00:48:13.900
everything that a guy is saying as if he's saying it as a way to achieve, like, get closer
00:48:24.340
So if a guy says, I want to hook up with you tonight, first date...
00:48:29.240
Just say, hey, do you want to come watch Netflix on my house?
00:48:34.340
Um, like, anything, like, oh, like, or you're at a party.
00:48:40.280
He was like, hey, let's go, like, inside or something.
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I went inside, and he was like, let's go to the storage closet.
00:48:58.760
So, take everything that men say with a grain of salt.
00:49:05.580
I feel like in Isla Vista, that's definitely true.
00:49:07.920
Hopefully, like, when you're not in this, like, hookup culture, it'll be better for a
00:49:13.940
Because I feel like most of the men here, like, nine out of ten of the people here
00:49:20.260
At least in my experience, like, I somehow managed to find someone, like, to date, but
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it took me, like, a year and a half of being here to actually find someone, in my opinion,
00:49:32.120
Because everyone is just always hooking up with each other.
00:49:39.080
Like, if you're on the same page, then, hell yeah.
00:49:45.520
But, like, going back to what you said, though, because of the gnarly hookup culture here,
00:49:54.760
I don't think that people on this channel don't understand the UCSB hookup culture.
00:49:59.300
But to give you some context, I have met multiple guys who are bragging about their body counts
00:50:28.700
But, like, for context, like, that is how much people get around here and they're,
00:50:37.760
We have our own strain of gonorrhea in Isla Vista.
00:50:53.940
Chris, can you, on the other window, can you pull up, like, a Google map of Isla Vista just
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so people understand, just so we can give, like, a context?
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It's one square mile with 25,000 people under the age of 23, I think.
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Or 18 to 23 people per square mile in the country.
00:51:18.020
So, basically, guys, there's UCSB, the University of California, Santa Barbara,
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a.k.a. the University of Casual Sex and Beer, and then there's also Santa Barbara City College.
00:51:49.840
No, I was about to say, I was like, well, they know we're in Isla Vista.
00:51:54.540
So, you don't have to zoom in there, but on the right, that's fine, Chris, leave it there.
00:51:58.380
So, on the right is UCSB, what is it, 20,000, 30,000 students, something like that.
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It's almost 95% students that live in the square mile, and so, I guess, that contributes
00:52:16.940
Because it's just sex and partying, pretty much.
00:52:22.280
And, like, other colleges, if you want to, like, go over to someone's house, from what
00:52:26.240
I've heard, at least, you have to, like, take an Uber or something, and here, the max walk,
00:52:40.040
Like, you don't see anyone over, like, 24, and no one younger than 18.
00:52:52.140
No, I once saw, like, a 40-year-old dude at, like, a random party on DP, and I was like,
00:53:05.960
They were like, let's put a bunch of hot 20-somethings on the beach with alcohol, and then let's
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And they also have, like, 20 people on our houses.
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Everyone's, like, half naked all the time, partying with a bunch of alcoholics.
00:53:27.740
Every single store here, even the grocery or, like, the co-op or anything, they just sell
00:53:35.960
I feel like just because the audience is worldwide, I don't know if we should get too much into
00:53:41.940
the dating meta of Isla Vista, just because they're going to be like, this doesn't...
00:53:47.740
But just so people understand where you guys are coming from in terms of why you feel the
00:53:55.760
Chris, why don't we pull up the singular super chat we have?
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You've been here every single dating stream we've had, so really appreciate you, dude,
00:54:19.980
What if this podcast has an additional UCSB college chat theme, like a college radio podcast
00:54:25.500
for UCSB might be able to get a bunch of UCSB viewers that way.
00:54:30.360
What if this podcast has an additional chat theme?
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I mean, it would be dope if a large portion of people who lived in Isla Vista were like,
00:54:46.100
are you going to catch the whatever show tonight, 7 p.m.?
00:54:49.400
So I definitely was thinking about that, if we got some local buzz going.
00:54:56.360
Oh, let's just get this super chat since we got it in right now.
00:55:26.520
So, but, see, what I don't get is if you're a player, like, if he's a player, that means he's got other girls.
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He just, like, wanted to see if he could get me.
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But I feel like most players are going to move on.
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There are some, there's some masochists out there.
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But, like, most, most guys don't want to, they don't want to be challenged.
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The more fun it is, they'll be, like, the more fun it is for them.
00:56:10.120
But you do that, and you may very well, if you push away a guy you like, too.
00:56:20.760
What if I just don't want him because he's a player?
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But, I mean, I mean, at least for me and a lot of guys I've spoken to, like, if the girl's playing hard to get or it's just, like, moving kind of slow.
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But, I mean, at least for me, like, if, and again, I might be an outlier here.
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I'm not going to look at you a different kind of way.
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There's, to me, there's other better indicators than the speed in which a girl sleeps with you to see if, like, she's for the streets.
00:57:08.040
There's better indicators than, like, how quick she sleeps with you.
00:57:22.320
No, literally, I hear guys, the way that guys talk about girls.
00:57:26.400
This was, okay, I was at home in Huntington Beach, and my friend and I were sitting there tanning, and there's these, like, three guys sitting with these, like, three girls, and the girls, like, went to swim in the ocean.
00:57:37.520
And, like, one of the guys was, like, so, like, I don't mean to intrude, but what are you guys?
00:57:47.020
And then she's, like, she wants to date me, but, like, I just, like, want to fuck her.
00:57:52.840
Oh, I mean, there's definitely, there's definitely guys with the locker room talk, and there's certainly guys that just want to run through a bunch of girls.
00:58:00.060
They want to, to me, though, like, the whole sleep with somebody once and then never see them again, I think that's weird.
00:58:08.460
Even when I was younger, even when I was 18, 19, 20, if I hooked up with a girl, I wanted to pursue it.
00:58:15.440
But, like, there's only maybe a couple times where, on my end, I was, like, I only want to hook up with this girl once.
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I've had girls actually hook up with me, and sometimes girls also, they just want to, you know.
00:58:28.040
I honestly feel like it's a phase that a bunch of people, like, kind of have to, your little hoe phase, where you're, like, oh, I'm going to sleep with a bunch of people, like, oh, I'm so bad.
00:58:40.500
And then as you, like, grow out of that, you're, like, wow, that was kind of disgusting.
00:58:53.860
You need to find out where you like, what works for you.
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No, but that's the thing is, have you ever slept with someone and regretted it?
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Like, all my regrets make funny stories, so I don't really regret them.
00:59:10.900
Like, oh, my God, can you believe that I fucked him?
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Or, like, you can, like, hook up with someone, like, for the clout, you know?
00:59:39.280
You went from athlete, she said yes to a stripper.
00:59:41.400
Yeah, I was like, is stripping an athletic event now?
00:59:47.500
Oh, you're definitely name dropping after this.
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I can't say it because then if people are here from my account, then they're going to
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Reminder, as we're talking more about this, go check it out.
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Wait, circling back, though, but you're not, you're saying that, oh, you've always wanted
01:00:23.200
You're not, you're not in a college town or you're not our age where it's like literally
01:00:29.780
a constant revolving door of just hot people and cool people and it's like, you've got
01:00:37.700
I mean, so I grew up in Santa Barbara, so like, I'm a bit older, so, but you know, I had
01:00:44.960
But even then, like when I was younger, to me, to me, it didn't make sense to only hook
01:00:50.920
Now, certainly there's situations where, again, like the girl, she was in her mode
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No, but, no, but, no, I'm trying to, I was watching this Curb Your Enthusiasm episode
01:01:17.480
and they referred, Larry David referred to it as the dizzle.
01:01:32.800
Yeah, no, so, I want to continue seeing a girl if I sleep with her, even if it's second,
01:01:44.600
I mean, she has to fuck up pretty bad for this, and here's an, this could actually be
01:01:49.440
an interesting conversation, like, first, I know pretty much exactly what I want and
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I like to take the lead, and so, like, I guess, I mean, but, but I do think, I actually
01:02:03.560
do think it's, it's a bit easier for a girl to be good in bed, let's say.
01:02:11.720
In so far as there's not, you don't really gotta do much.
01:02:21.820
If the guy knows, if the guy knows what, what he wants, he knows how to lead, if he's
01:02:26.880
prefers to be a bit more dominant, then, like, I can take a virgin, and I could, the sex
01:02:42.180
No, but I mean, like, that, that could be, wait, what?
01:02:50.040
Well, her, me and her, strictly business, her virtue is intact.
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Business casual or just, like, strictly business?
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But Kylie's gonna arrange something afterwards, so.
01:03:14.820
She wanted to do more, you wanted to do more than undress, but.
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On that note, though, like, girls are way more emotionally involved, usually, you know?
01:03:26.320
Like, we're, I would say, just a lot more complicated than you guys are.
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We have a class at UCSB that's all about, like, sex.
01:03:59.820
And they were, they talked about how, like, men's hormones after you have sex are, like,
01:04:06.220
they make you, like, unattached, and women's hormones make you, like, fall in love.
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Like, it's, like, completely opposite, which is, like, why would they do that to us?
01:04:16.560
Like, that's, like, their, like, God was out to get us.
01:04:23.300
So, circling back to what you were saying earlier, Al, about how, like, you think, like,
01:04:29.620
So, the kid will, in the comments, said, like, what if you're dating?
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Do you think that if you're actually dating, he should always pay as well?
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If we're, if we're dating, first of all, I don't have that much dating experience.
01:04:47.780
The guy that I did date, like, he would fight me to pay.
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But the thing is, I would, like, fight him back.
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I'd be, like, no, I'm going to pay for my own food, blah, blah, blah.
01:05:04.500
But, like, you can't really expect that from guys these days.
01:05:11.780
But I think when we're dating, I think anything's game.
01:05:17.540
But especially, especially if you're the one who's, like, making the plans.
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If you're making the plans, then, like, say, oh, let's go to dinner tonight, blah, blah, blah.
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And then if he, or, like, I think, like, I don't really think about it too much.
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I think I just, like, whatever, like, in the moment.
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I was hanging out with my dude friends last night.
01:06:09.560
See, it's, like, it's, like, a cooperative thing.
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Like, they do something and then you do something.
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It's not always, like, you doing something all the time.
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And, like, honestly, money isn't, like, I'm, like, pretty, I'm, like, pretty, um, like, grateful for, like, everything that I have.
01:06:25.600
So, like, money isn't really the most important thing for me.
01:06:30.920
But I do enjoy, I think that your company, your time is the most valuable thing that's happening.
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If you're dating, how about the person who comes more?
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Fun fact, I've never orgasmed from another end.
01:07:04.560
When I had a boyfriend, I would, we would trade off a lot of the time.
01:07:10.960
Yeah, I didn't want him, I felt bad, like, paying for me all the time.
01:07:15.200
Like, in the end, you're both still, like, little, like, you're still humans and, like,
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But it's like, a first date is so much different than, like, a boyfriend.
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Like, you don't want to pay for dinner tonight?
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Because I feel like a lot of guys don't really care, you know?
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Especially, like, during hookup culture, but I want to be dating someone who cares enough.
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But, I mean, I feel like that's, I mean, a lot of women can have multiple orgasms, though.
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So, that might, I'm down with it, you know, if she comes more than she pays.
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But, y'all can come, like, some of y'all can come, like, five times in five minutes, you know?
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Yeah, we should maybe put that into, like, a law, maybe.
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I'm announcing my candidacy for mayor of Isla Vista.
01:08:47.180
So, going back to the foodie call thing, we went on some crazy tangents with you.
01:09:00.060
Oh, by the way, just for those of you tuning in, a foodie call is generally, well, I guess a guy could do a foodie call, too.
01:09:08.800
But if a woman goes on a date with a guy, the guy has a romantic interest in her, but she is really just there for the dinner.
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She doesn't have any authentic intention to date him.
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I mean, no, because I think that it would be, like, gut-wrenching and terrible to just sit there and listen to someone that you don't like.
01:09:34.400
But wait, just earlier, didn't you say that there was a guy who you were...
01:09:46.480
But what I'm saying is that, like, in general, if a guy is into you and they're aware of the fact that you're not into them and they still just want to do things for you, I just don't think there's anything wrong with that.
01:10:00.100
And it's like, and if you're cool with it, like, he's very obvious.
01:10:12.160
I don't think I've ever been on, like, a foodie date.
01:10:16.000
I do have a deal with my friend right now, though.
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So, he's been buying my In-N-Out for, like, the past couple days.
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I've never been on a foodie call, but I feel like it's mostly because I get a lot of anxiety eating in front of, like, guys that I'm on dates with.
01:10:38.320
And just, like, in general, honestly, like, you won't, unless I'm really comfortable with the person, you won't see me, like, chomping down a burger.
01:10:46.060
I just think food dates are kind of awkward because.
01:10:50.300
Especially early on when you're not quite yet comfortable in silence.
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There's this feeling of you want to always have something to say or have.
01:11:02.340
Otherwise, there's that awkward silence, which doesn't exist if you've been with someone for longer.
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Then you can sit comfortably in silence and it's not a big deal.
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And you feel like you need to be talking and feeling the time, but, like, you both don't even want to be.
01:11:23.020
It's, that's why I was saying, like, going to the beach or going to the zoo is so much more, like, that's so much more my vibe for, like, a date.
01:11:31.100
And I like casual things where I can really get to, you're not going to actually get to know who a person is through, like, I like through actions.
01:11:38.400
Like, so you have to go on, like, a date and, like, doing something versus, like, they're all talk if you're just sitting there at dinner and they're talking about themselves.
01:11:51.720
But then you get, like, progressively more drunk.
01:12:00.020
Um, not in person, for sure, but, like, as a streamer, I have a lot of, like, people, just random people slide into my DMs being, like, oh, like, let me spoil you.
01:12:17.400
Like, they've sent me money over Venmo so that I can, like, get a meal on stream and, like, eat it because I guess they like that, like, they like knowing that they gave that to me, I guess.
01:12:30.020
So, in that way, yeah, but I've never, like, really tried to manipulate or, like, take advantage of someone.
01:12:37.200
It's just, if they're offering and I'm, like, okay, like, sure, by all means.
01:12:42.720
And are these people in Santa Barbara or just from?
01:12:45.980
No, no, no, no, just, like, everyone because, like, TikTok, exactly, like, TikTok, my, I think my second most viewed, like, country is just Britain.
01:12:56.580
Like, literally people from Europe could be watching my stream and, like, sending me stuff.
01:13:02.800
Like, I love connecting with people, especially if it, like, gives me a free slushie, you know what I mean?
01:13:06.780
You seem like the type of girl, looks-wise, that British guys would like.
01:13:25.420
Yeah, like, I think it's kind of how it shows you.
01:13:28.500
I think it's because of your Sailor Moon TikTok that you did.
01:13:43.380
But you said guys would DM you, like, slide into your DMs?
01:13:50.780
Oh, um, when, whenever, like, a TikTok would blow up, get, like, hundreds of thousands
01:13:55.580
of views, I would get, like, thousands of new DMs.
01:14:03.580
How many, but, like, when you say you get a lot of views.
01:14:09.540
A couple hundred thousand to, like, a million, like, around there.
01:14:12.240
It just depends on, like, if it gets on the For You page, you know.
01:14:22.060
That makes sense, because a lot of guys consume gaming stuff.
01:14:25.100
It would be linked to, like, the gaming Instagram that I have, and then they would just, like,
01:14:29.220
shoot me an Apex pickup line, you know, be, like.
01:14:34.020
Like, my DMs on that account are a horrible place.
01:14:39.360
I discovered that a small penis humiliation is a thing.
01:14:53.960
Was that a service that you provided on your OnlyFans?
01:14:58.200
Because I know that on OnlyFans, the guys can request videos, and they can also chat with
01:15:03.960
And so I imagine that some guys will get into their kinks or whatever.
01:15:11.320
Small penis humiliation is, uh, the first time I saw that, I was, like, what the fuck?
01:15:18.000
Like, I didn't realize people were into that in the slightest, but it's actually pretty
01:15:22.560
Like, if your dick is this small, like, what are you going to do with it except get degraded?
01:15:38.080
I've never, like, I've never even made out with him.
01:16:04.100
I don't think you understand what a micropenis is.
01:16:06.880
It's, like, it's, like, it's, like, a belly button, but, like, an Audi.
01:16:13.800
Because there's guys who, there are guys who are growers, not showers.
01:16:25.500
And I'm so sorry for this man, but I'm sorry for, I wish him the best in life.
01:16:30.900
So did you, when you left, were you just, like, I gotta go?
01:16:44.960
Oh, he must have, like, cried himself to sleep.
01:17:06.700
This is, like, the third conversation about micropenises I've had in, like, the past week.
01:17:35.600
No, that's just some guy posing as Andrew Tate.
01:17:38.780
We will get Andrew Tate, guys, in, I think, November.
01:17:53.340
Well, he said that he's going to be in the States in November, December.
01:18:08.320
No, I was talking to someone about this literally yesterday.
01:18:19.200
He's just, I feel like sometimes he layers it on, like, just to get, like, the clickbait.
01:18:25.640
He says controversial things, and it clearly works, because he went, because I was talking
01:18:32.640
I was actually aware of Andrew Tate since, like, 2019, 2020.
01:18:36.380
But I think a couple months ago, he had, like, 200,000, 300,000 followers on Instagram.
01:18:53.040
Something, I definitely agree with him on some stuff.
01:18:55.400
And so, he definitely, he would agree with you guys on the overall topic of the show,
01:19:03.660
Yeah, but, like, obvious, like, you know, it's very apparent, like, when people do things
01:19:10.420
for, like, the shock value and to get more, like, more popular.
01:19:14.220
But even with that, then that begs the question of, like, okay, so is the shock value of saying
01:19:22.000
this messed up thing more important to you than actually believing that and having morals?
01:19:38.780
People are talking about him, so, like, no press is bad for us, I guess.
01:19:43.680
We've been messaging on Instagram and we will try to get him on the show, so.
01:19:48.020
I'm going to do a one-on-one interview with him and then I think I'll try to get him on
01:20:00.780
Speaking of hot takes, are you guys, it's a little, is it warm in here for you guys at
01:20:10.480
I'm sticking to the chair, but I kind of like it.
01:20:18.720
Hey, Chris, can you just pop the double doors open and I think it's just so warm and if
01:20:25.000
it's, if we get a little extra noise, it's okay.
01:20:51.040
It was a joke about the song that's like, I don't care.
01:21:12.860
I tore my, I have like a very rare knee injury.
01:21:15.740
I was, my first night in Cabo San Lucas on spring break.
01:21:19.840
Um, I was, I was walking and I fell and I slipped.
01:21:24.220
I was actually with a boy when this happened and he like barely helped me.
01:21:30.400
Um, but that'd be really awkward if he's watching this.
01:21:35.600
He's like, but then I won the twerk comp the next day after I like fully dislocated my knee.
01:21:52.860
I like, actually the video is a little explicit.
01:21:56.000
Um, there's a little, this department, I mean, everybody's like get on the table and shake
01:22:00.220
Like, um, but when I fell, I tore a, my patella tendon and when my tendon tore and tore off a
01:22:08.940
piece of bone and so then I came back from Cabo and I had surgery on April 14th and I
01:22:17.300
just started to be able to walk without a crutch, um, about a month ago and I can run.
01:22:23.040
I think I'm going to get cleared to run in two weeks.
01:22:25.440
I did something kind of similar to that, like same premise.
01:22:29.300
So also a side note, the week before my birthday for the past three years, I've like significantly
01:22:35.680
broke myself snowboarding, but I also messed my knee up, fully tore my ACL, my meniscus,
01:22:43.320
And I was snowboarding and where I was, like it had an Olympic park.
01:22:48.160
So like giant rails and I just, I messed up on a rail and I straight up, I was with a boy.
01:22:54.900
I hit, I literally, I hit a pole straight on sideways with my legs, snapped him.
01:23:01.840
Um, and then I didn't notice that, that I didn't notice that that even happened cause
01:23:09.060
And long story short, I, uh, I got surgery and I told the male nurse that his man bun
01:23:24.740
I mean, Hey, I'm just saying, look, very few people can pull it off.
01:23:27.920
Like if you can pull it off, it's impressive, but most people can't.
01:23:36.920
And I know we've just, we've been having a bit of fun, but I do want to maybe try to
01:23:43.640
Honestly, give us a really brutal, like we'll be completely honest.
01:23:46.780
Ryan, you got something to tell us about micropenises?
01:24:06.780
Oh, I'm not, I'm not telling you my size, but tell you what, I will tell you my size
01:24:20.980
You're aware that you're like 10 years older than all of us, right?
01:24:27.760
Y'all just solicited my penis size, so I mean, it's kind of fair.
01:24:38.740
What does my age have to do with it, with it, with asking that question?
01:24:43.160
Well, you just asked for like 19 to 20 year old girls about their vagina, and I want
01:24:51.880
But what, I mean, I don't see what, what does my age have to, would it have been a more
01:25:05.920
I don't think I've ever told anyone my labia size, because I don't know.
01:25:10.420
I mean, I'm going to go home, and I'm going to find out now.
01:25:13.380
Like, which, like, where do you, where do you measure it from?
01:25:28.480
I couldn't tell you my labia size if I wanted to.
01:25:38.760
And all, like, the pictures of vaginas are too deep.
01:25:39.980
Well, there's, like, innies, there's innies and outies.
01:25:46.400
I don't know if anyone here has, like, had experience with vaginas.
01:25:49.520
Well, there's, like, innies and outies, so to speak.
01:25:56.500
My friends and I, freshman year, all diagnosed each other.
01:26:10.920
Well, I'm going to need to see some, like, picture references after this because I'm
01:26:18.620
And then an outie is, like, it's, like, fully, like, out.
01:26:28.960
Do you think it's a turnoff if a girl has, like, a certain type of vagina?
01:26:44.900
By the way, guys, if we can, just try to keep it to one mic at a time.
01:26:48.120
One of my friends once, like, she hooked up with this guy.
01:27:00.200
But then also, like, I guess it's, like, kind of, like, making fun of someone's dick size.
01:27:06.320
But, no, so my take on that is as far as, like, I like outies, actually.
01:27:14.140
I mean, whatever it is, if it's an innie, I like it.
01:27:18.140
I actually would say, maybe I'm exposing myself here.
01:27:50.320
Like, I don't think I've ever made fun of someone being like, oh, yeah, like, he has a, he has
01:27:55.240
Like, bro, if he's going to say she has big labia, just say he has a small dick.
01:28:22.400
So, I think, um, I've only seen my mom when I came out.
01:28:27.220
I would never go back into a vagina since birth.
01:28:43.540
He just said, I haven't been in another woman's vagina except my mother's.
01:29:01.380
So, um, there are definitely guys that shame women for their labia.
01:29:05.860
I've heard terms like beef curtains, wizard sleeve.
01:29:11.200
I know it sounds funny, but I do think it's, it is offensive because like that's something.
01:29:16.540
Well, I guess there's like labia place D, but like, don't fucking chop.
01:29:23.720
Like, but I do really like, there are some girls and I've definitely had
01:29:29.940
She, she had an Audi and I was, I was for it, but she was self-conscious because a previous
01:29:36.600
guy had made some comments and she was insecure about it.
01:29:48.580
I think, I think it's, uh, in the same way, in the same way that I would think.
01:29:53.680
In the same way that I, I would think like if a girl was penis shaming the guy, oh, and
01:30:00.880
I don't think anybody should be shamed for their genitalia, be it a man, be it a woman.
01:30:11.160
The shame in penises is just kind of more acceptable.
01:30:13.820
I disagree with it, but you hear terms like big dick energy, which, which I suppose is
01:30:24.460
But the, you can infer from that, that if someone has small, if they don't have big dick
01:30:32.080
Ergo, if you have a small, smaller and average sized penis, there's something wrong with
01:30:42.560
I mean, body shaming isn't okay in like any aspect.
01:30:47.440
The reason that like dick shaming is probably so, um, relevant.
01:30:54.460
Well, I guess it's just like, like, oh, how was he?
01:30:57.580
And like, maybe if she didn't have a good time, like that's her first instinct to be
01:31:02.740
Like if she was feeling insecure or if like a guy was feeling insecure, he could say the
01:31:08.380
It was like, oh, I've heard a, it was like a hot dog in a hallway.
01:31:22.820
Like, I don't think I've ever seriously been like, yeah, his dick was like fucking tiny
01:31:31.280
But have, have any of you guys use the term big dick energy?
01:31:42.540
So who thinks like the term big dick energy is like, it's okay.
01:31:52.420
We're going to, we're going to start with Aline here.
01:31:56.160
Uh, would you be okay with the term small tit energy, small titty energy?
01:32:14.540
Like it's like model body type and guys like it.
01:32:22.620
Like, but, but I'm, so what I, when I asked that question, I'm not saying that.
01:32:28.940
So I mean, definitely, I think some guys certainly have preference for larger breasts, but I think
01:32:34.160
one thing some women are insecure about if they have smaller breasts or they're flat
01:32:45.120
And so small tit and some guy might say, oh, small tit energy, you know, small dick energy.
01:32:52.980
I feel like it's kind of different because you can like kind of see it.
01:33:24.820
It's just a guy saying shit and guys say shit all the time.
01:33:29.360
Like, I can say like, oh, he has a small dick energy.
01:33:33.080
But there, so there is kind of like a political correctness.
01:33:43.460
But I feel like if we're going to start playing by the, if we're going to start playing by the
01:33:55.900
But I think we have to be consistent in what we find offensive or what we find offensive.
01:34:09.520
There, there's, nobody's going to like, like the whole mass is, no one's going to have
01:34:16.780
Everyone's going to be like subjective to like what they're thinking.
01:34:23.980
And like, not one person is right all the time.
01:34:27.280
So you kind of just have to like be open-minded and like keep your opinions to yourself if
01:34:35.300
But like don't, also don't force opinions on other people.
01:34:49.360
Small, or so cavernous vag energy, not a problem.
01:34:56.680
Like if it, if it was, if it wasn't, do you care?
01:35:05.580
So there's either small, small tit energy, cavernous vag energy.
01:35:48.920
We got a little distracted just because she had to get up to go to the bathroom.
01:36:02.680
Well, I mean, cavernous vag is just so, so descriptive.
01:36:09.440
Whenever, like, so if someone says that, it's like, there's an image in my head.
01:36:14.200
Like, if I'm thinking big dick energy, it's just, it's just a normal term.
01:36:26.140
But like, I say girls, I would never say that to a guy.
01:36:29.700
But like, big dick energy is kind of like a gender neutral term.
01:36:38.640
It doesn't, like, I can say, she has big dick energy.
01:36:43.940
Well, you could say an animal has big dick energy, right?
01:37:05.000
So, yes, I understand that you could refer to a woman having big dick energy.
01:37:10.720
But the implication is that big dicks are desirable, thus, small dicks are undesirable and, or
01:37:21.800
to be laughed at, or to be, no, that's not how, okay.
01:37:25.460
If someone has, like, a nine-inch dick, it's just, like, not it.
01:37:53.420
It's just, for me, I just think it's funny because someone who would say that, like,
01:37:57.680
a guy that would be like, oh, yeah, she has cavernous vag energy, would get zero pussy.
01:38:03.700
Like, that's why I think it's funny, because I know that someone who says that isn't going
01:38:07.860
I think most women would quarrel, would take quarrel with a guy using that term in the
01:38:14.640
same way that, that either, like, a man or a woman just would say big dick energy.
01:38:23.580
I feel like, for me, if someone said that to me, I would laugh, like, in his face.
01:39:03.000
By the way, guys, we are also live on Twitch, twitch.tv slash whatever.
01:39:11.540
If you have an Amazon Prime, show us a little love.
01:39:17.200
And so thank you to jcard underscore, is that S-I or S-J?
01:39:29.500
Okay, Chris, let's pull up one of the loaded videos.
01:39:41.300
And then second, we all have to say, do we like fondling?
01:39:56.600
I don't know how much I want to expose myself here.
01:40:03.140
Like a lot of guys like it, but it's like for some reason weird to talk about.
01:40:09.320
Like why is the shaft isn't weird, but the balls are.
01:40:33.440
Honestly, I feel like us guys, we don't really talk like that.
01:40:41.520
Dude, yeah, I've never, I feel like guys don't, if there was an earthquake, it's the only
01:40:54.440
If there was an earthquake, it was a funny joke.
01:41:00.880
Um, so, groundbreaking sucking balls, word, um, actually, she said, I prefer that to
01:41:22.060
Because there's no protection involved sometimes.
01:41:45.600
Yeah, but most of the time, like, we have our own strain of gonorrhea.
01:41:48.240
If I'm on birth control, I'm still going to use protection.
01:41:52.200
But have you, have you ever been on birth control?
01:41:55.380
No, but what I'm saying is you're in a committed relationship with a guy.
01:42:09.680
Like, if you get a new disease, you're going to be like, where the fuck did you get this?
01:42:24.380
No, we have to go around and say whether we enjoy ball touching or not.
01:42:42.180
When they're like long, it's like an extra like, whap.
01:42:58.460
Is that, is that what you're doing to the balls?
01:43:20.660
Um, that's why you don't have missionary sex, guys.
01:43:36.180
Um, did, did, are we, I guess, do you guys want to go around the panel?
01:43:46.040
It's for me to know and for whomever to find out.
01:43:52.300
Um, like sometimes I'll dapple in it and see their reaction.
01:43:58.220
If there's no reaction, I'm not going to keep doing it.
01:44:14.540
Um, I will do whatever makes him feel the best.
01:44:18.900
So if he's like, hey, I like this, I'll try it.
01:44:21.840
You know, like, no, I feel like no matter what it is, I'm a very open person.
01:44:24.680
If he's like, oh, like, I want you to take control or like, I want to be dominant.
01:44:30.280
Like, so you're so submissive that you would, if the guy wants you to be dumb, you'll be
01:44:40.920
Like, it's just, I, I'm very flexible with what I like.
01:44:44.320
Like, I'll just, like, if he wanted to role play, I'd be like, hell yeah, what costume,
01:44:48.540
It was, okay, this is a, this is a discussion I've had with many people.
01:44:52.340
That's one of the first questions I've asked a lot of my guy friends, um, is like, would
01:45:01.140
Like, a lot of guys are like, oh, like, that's super gay.
01:45:05.480
And I'm like, okay, then I won't be your friend.
01:45:08.240
Nah, it's not gay, but if she, if she wanted to peg you, that's a little, that's different.
01:45:26.000
Wow, we've, we've jumped around a whole bunch of different, I feel like we've kind of derailed
01:45:31.580
substantially from kind of the main topic, but, um, Chris, let's pull up.
01:45:48.760
Um, next one, not this one, if you want to just hit control tab, Chris.
01:46:04.100
I'm going to give my two cents on who pays on a first date.
01:46:07.580
And this might not be a popular opinion, and that's okay, I've never been one to go with
01:46:18.400
What that means is, if I invite you somewhere, I'm paying.
01:46:22.060
If I say, hey, let me take you out, I'm going to pay.
01:46:25.760
I always show up prepared to pay for my stuff anyway.
01:46:29.320
But if you invited me, you took me out of my routine, you're taking me somewhere to potentially
01:46:35.120
spend money that I wasn't planning on spending, I expect you to pay.
01:46:39.140
And that's not an expectation because you're a man.
01:46:44.640
It's an expectation because you said, I'd like to take you here or there.
01:46:53.160
You might have a different opinion, but if I invite, I'm paying.
01:46:58.700
And if you can't figure it out, then speak about it in advance.
01:47:24.400
De facto, as far as the guy or whoever asks, they should pay.
01:47:31.660
The thing is, is that the sort of way that the dating meta is, men de facto have to initiate.
01:47:47.460
But I can't sit around and say I'd really wish if women started initiating because I can't be in that position because broadly speaking, I'm not saying all women.
01:47:59.840
There are definitely women that do initiate, but it's pretty rare.
01:48:28.180
But because most men are not inundated, most men are not validated in that way.
01:48:34.640
Now, you might say, oh, men shouldn't have to be validated, but I do think a lot of guys would genuinely appreciate it and it'd be like a breath of fresh air.
01:48:45.080
But I think just what you are sort of in a better position as a woman to be.
01:48:53.840
No, well, not even financially, but you are in a better, let's say, negotiating position if someone's coming to you in the same way.
01:49:00.860
Like, for example, if I'm, you know, you might have this, Kylie, you're a Twitch streamer.
01:49:05.660
You've probably been approached for, like, sponsorships and stuff, right?
01:49:11.160
If you're reaching out to the company, proposing a sponsorship or they're coming to you.
01:49:18.540
So I've tried to reach out to companies for sponsorships.
01:49:24.600
I'm probably going to get a lower price than I otherwise could.
01:49:28.540
But if they come to me, I'm in a stronger negotiating position.
01:49:32.080
So not to, like, not to reduce dating and relationships between men and women to, I don't want to make it sound transactional.
01:49:43.460
That's kind of what we're doing right now, you know, like the transactional, like reducing, going on dates to purely, like, who's paying, you know, like, it's kind of making it transactional, which is why I'm, like, 50-50.
01:49:54.600
No, let me put in a new perspective of why men should pay.
01:50:00.420
Do you know how much men razors are versus women razors?
01:50:03.780
Women razors are significantly more expensive because they're pink and they're for women.
01:50:07.560
Women's deodorant is more expensive than men's.
01:50:09.880
We also make significantly less than men in the work industry.
01:50:15.220
And I'm not saying that men can't wear makeup, but it's, like, more typical that they don't.
01:50:18.600
So if you think about that, that's, if we're going out for a date, we're doing our makeup.
01:50:25.040
So it kind of defeats the little income gap there.
01:50:30.980
In a way, if you want to think about it, if you want a justification for paying for someone's date.
01:50:35.460
So I do think that there are certainly ways in which women have to spend more on certain things.
01:50:44.300
But, I mean, I think you can also make the same argument for men.
01:50:49.560
Well, men, because of our larger size, we need to eat more food.
01:50:55.720
I mean, I know it sounds silly, but, I mean, we do need to eat more food just for maintenance.
01:51:11.480
People aren't forcing you or charging you a tax to buy more food because you are more hungry.
01:51:17.940
You know, we literally have to pay a tax, like she was saying, to get any sort of, like, feminine product.
01:51:25.180
So, like, no one's forcing you to buy more food.
01:51:30.640
But, okay, so this is definitely an interesting conversation.
01:51:35.000
So, as far as, like, the pink tax goes, some of that stuff, I mean, I'm not sure how closely it applies.
01:51:44.020
But the makeup one, for example, what if the guy was like, I'm giving you a makeup pass.
01:51:48.580
In fact, I've actually asked girls not to wear makeup when they meet me because I don't give a fuck.
01:51:57.860
I feel completely confident without makeup and stuff.
01:52:00.180
But that's, I would, if I'm going on a date and I want to look nice and I, it's what I prefer.
01:52:05.120
I'm not doing it to be like, oh, my God, I really hope he likes my eyeliner tonight because he's probably not going to notice it.
01:52:12.880
So, like, if they tell me not to wear makeup, I honestly would be like, like, I'd.
01:52:20.800
But couldn't you view it in a way, like, he is less interested in your appearance?
01:52:30.200
If we're doing something nice and we're taking pictures, I'm going to want to put makeup on.
01:52:33.380
Like, it just, and, like, say I am someone who wears, like, a ton of makeup and I feel super insecure without any makeup on, then I'm just going to feel insecure the whole time.
01:52:41.320
So, like, they shouldn't have any say in my makeup that I wear.
01:52:50.260
Like, it doesn't matter whether a girl feels insecure without makeup or whether she's more comfortable with makeup.
01:53:03.180
It literally does not matter why we do things with our own bodies.
01:53:08.720
So, with that being said, why would you, why did you ask girls to not wear makeup on first dates?
01:53:21.620
Honestly, anything more than some eyeliner is kind of a letdown for me.
01:53:27.200
Anything more than, like, some eyeliner, it's a bit of a letdown for me.
01:53:37.540
And so, like, if, if a girl has, like, what's the powder on the face called?
01:53:49.620
So, like, by the way, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that women shouldn't wear makeup.
01:54:03.560
Obviously, like, standard grooming stuff and, you know, being clean or whatever.
01:54:09.020
But, yeah, I mean, I don't, I honestly, I don't like makeup.
01:54:20.080
But the big thing is, is if you're kissing a girl and the fucking shit gets on your pillow or, like, you're kissing and it gets on your face, I don't like that.
01:54:37.720
I mean, the, like, the pillow thing makes sense, but I'm curious about, like, why, with, again, a lot of things, why do you think that the girl is wearing makeup specifically for you?
01:54:53.840
Well, you, I mean, you're expressing the opinion of what you like and don't like and then you ask girls not to wear makeup on a first date.
01:54:59.660
So, with that being said, if she enjoys wearing makeup and it makes her feel happy and it makes her feel pretty, shouldn't you just appreciate that and be happy that she's happy because you like her?
01:55:10.420
Well, I'm not, I wouldn't force a girl to do anything.
01:55:15.020
She's, and she's ultimately free to, if she wants to wear makeup.
01:55:19.000
Do you think it's a red flag if she said, no, I want to wear makeup?
01:55:24.280
I think most people are pretty amenable and agreeable and, of, of the experience, of the experience, what's that music?
01:55:47.060
I feel like even if you wear makeup, it doesn't mean you're fake.
01:55:49.220
Like, I'm looking at that one comment right there, but.
01:55:52.060
Um, and, like, you can also, like, you can ask girls, like, if a guy was, like, if a guy was, like, don't wear makeup, I'd be, like.
01:56:04.600
Or you could just make it a suggestion and be, like, don't feel like you need to, like, completely dress up if you don't want to.
01:56:12.500
But not being, like, not being, like, you should not wear makeup if you're comfortable with that.
01:56:17.260
It should be more, like, oh, if you don't want to wear makeup, like, if you don't feel like getting all dressed up, like, we can just do something chill.
01:56:24.300
Yeah, I would definitely, like, that would, I would totally be, like, oh, my God, like, that's hot.
01:56:28.100
I would think that's hot if a guy said that to me.
01:56:44.920
Something like, you're the prettiest when your hair is tight.
01:56:58.440
Like, one of his, I think it was his first single.
01:57:03.520
Like, the more casual look, like, is the best in a lot of men's opinions.
01:57:07.400
Yeah, can someone type, put the lyrics in the chat, guys, because it's not coming to me.
01:57:12.820
If you can search for something like, hair-tied, hair-tied, chilling, chilling with no makeup.
01:57:30.280
No, dude, I totally think that it goes both ways.
01:57:33.120
I don't think that a girl has the right to tell a guy to shave or not to shave, or et cetera, either.
01:57:48.860
A lot of women have issue with guys who have facial hair.
01:57:52.340
Well, I mean, it gives you, like, raise, like, rug burn.
01:57:55.080
But with that being said, like, I grew up with my mom telling me that, like, you know you actually love someone
01:58:02.100
when you love the thing on them that you've never liked before.
01:58:05.360
Best you, okay, best, is it Best You Ever Had by Drake?
01:58:08.340
Yeah, so it's, uh, can anyone, anyone put the lyrics in chat?
01:58:22.880
No, sweatpants, hair-tied, chilling with no makeup on.
01:58:26.120
That's when you're the prettiest, something like that.
01:58:31.520
But if we're going to dinner, they're not going to wear sweatpants.
01:58:39.840
I would think that you're trying to hook up with me.
01:58:51.040
Like, I would deadass say, like, can we do something in public?
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I'd be like, let's see if he actually wants to hang out in public and not, like, at his own house.
01:58:59.320
Yeah, and there's something really nice about, like, actually being on, like, a real date and not just, like, yeah, come, like, hang over at my house and chill.
01:59:08.860
Like, let's actually have a conversation and enjoy each other's company, you know?
01:59:13.720
Um, the thing you asked about beards, I, it depends if a guy takes care of their beard, because if a guy takes care of their beard, it will not, like, cause me to break out or cause me to have, like, beard burn on my face.
01:59:28.960
But if they have, like, a weird stubble and they don't wash their face, then your face will literally be, like, messed up for, like, two weeks.
01:59:39.400
Like, and it's, like, then you're just, like, ew, the next day you're, like, they don't wash their face and it just, like, got all over me.
01:59:44.600
But, like, if a man, if a guy has a beard, I have no issue with it as long as they, like, take care of it.
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Because also if they don't take care of it, it just, like, looks bad.
01:59:51.900
No, my, my friend made out with a guy that had, like, stubble on his chin and she had, like, a pus-filled, like, wart that was here that grew because he, like, was so disgusting.
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Like, she wore a band-aid from just, like, stubble.
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Same thing happened in, well, not the same thing at all.
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I think it's super interesting how, like, you know, how, like, you really won't like something about a guy or, like, you'll have a specific type, whatever, or whoever you're into.
02:00:29.780
And then one day you start liking a person who has that feature.
02:00:36.280
And then you find yourself really liking a guy with a beard.
02:00:52.060
I like, like, that indie guy look with, like, the hat and, like, the mustache.
02:01:00.720
I feel like a lot of the time people are, like, really judgmental, like, of each other.
02:01:09.960
Like, I know that girls have definitely looked at me and been like, oh, like, I don't even know what they would say.
02:01:16.720
Just, like, being rude is like, oh, like, she definitely has, like, a lot of bodies or, like, she talks to a lot of guys.
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Like, or insulting my appearance, but I also feel like, like, men don't do that as often as, like, women do that to each other.
02:01:34.220
Re, give, recap what you're saying a little bit.
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So, you actually think that it's more often women who are, let's say, slut-shaming other women than it is men slut-shaming women.
02:01:45.040
I have definitely, like, at my old high school, I was bullied, like, a lot from, like, all these different girls because they were, like, oh, she hangs out with, like, a lot of guys.
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And the only time that I've been, like, insulted more by men was, like, over the internet rather than, like, in person because I feel like with women.
02:02:15.100
As, I don't know, because, like, the whole makeup thing, men are, like, oh, yeah, like, she has a cake face.
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They'll be, like, oh, yeah, her highlighter, like, is disgusting.
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Like, wow, she's wearing that much makeup and, like, still looks like that.
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College, I think a lot of girls are more genuine now.
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Well, it's also because I look a lot different than high school and college and people treat
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you differently based on how, like, pretty or how, like, you look.
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Like, like, I don't care, like, what kind of, like, who you say you are.
02:03:02.360
Like, like, they will, they will, like, judge you.
02:03:06.300
But, like, I guess here people are more mature and know not to say it, like, behind their back.
02:03:14.240
Like, yeah, I definitely think, like, girls in high school were more harsh.
02:03:19.600
But, like, I think in college, most of the time I'm walking down the street and I'm, like,
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Like, that literally happened when we were outside.
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Like, you were, like, I love your outfit to this girl.
02:03:28.960
Like, I feel like there's a lot more girl love now than before.
02:03:32.160
Or unless girls hate each other if they're, like, hooking up with, like, the same person.
02:03:37.520
Eskimo sisters usually don't like each other if it's, like, happening at the same time.
02:03:42.300
But if it's, like, later and it's, like, oh, my God, you got with him, too.
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It also just, like, totally depends on who you are.
02:03:48.720
Like, most of that shit, like, stems from jealousy.
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And it's some girl's 100% going to talk shit about you.
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But it's just, like, when it comes to anyone talking shit, it says way more about them than it does about you.
02:04:25.800
Like, there's no, like, appearance-based friendships with guys.
02:04:30.000
Guys, they like each other based off their personality, their vibe.
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Girls, I see that they tend to, like, click together more when they're more similar-looking with each other.
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I feel like that also kind of shows in, like, frats and sororities.
02:04:45.720
Like, the sorority rush is, like, this, like, cut-out thing.
02:04:50.040
Like, everyone has to be, like, standing a certain way.
02:04:52.200
Like, when I was rushing, I was like, oh, like, I need to be sitting up straight.
02:04:55.320
But then for guys, they're like, what's your favorite beer?
02:04:59.880
And then for us, they're like, don't talk about, like, alcohol, boys, and stuff like that.
02:05:05.580
Isn't there, like, a sorority that literally just looks at your Instagram and see how many followers and how pretty you are?
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And then they decide just off that and no, like, interviews or anything.
02:05:19.400
I was like, I knew, I knew, I knew Brian before, but, yeah.
02:05:25.680
You guys were like, damn, look at, look at their Instagram.
02:05:40.160
Well, my friend recommended me to this, I think.
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I wanted to shout out, but it was like, he said, ask them if they've ever paid.
02:05:54.660
But he, he's the main DJ for my favorite fraternity.
02:06:03.600
But he, he's like one of my really close friends.
02:06:06.740
And you guys DMed him and were like, do you know anyone that would want to be on this show?
02:06:12.440
Because a lot of my friends tell me that I would be really good on Too Hot to Handle.
02:06:15.960
Because like, I like love money, but then also like have no self, um, resistance, self-control.
02:06:25.440
No, I, I think, uh, he made a really good recommendation.
02:06:44.920
So for you, I actually, I think I saw one of your TikToks.
02:06:49.680
And then, cause it was like tagged under UCSB or something.
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No, you were in a, you were, you were in a sailor.
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And I think I was just like, oh, she goes to UCSB.
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Cause I was at the time I was posting a ton of stuff on TikTok.
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And I was looking at the top posts on, under all the tags for UCSB.
02:07:20.840
You're like one of the top ones for your sailor Moon one or whatever.
02:07:25.180
Or it was like, yeah, I think it was something like, should I go to class in this, uh, in this
02:07:29.740
By the way, guys, should, should one in the chat, should Aline come back?
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And she offered to wear her sailor Moon costume.
02:07:46.140
It's like, I'm going back home and like, I have strict parents.
02:07:56.420
One in, one in the chat, if you want to lean to come back on, she's had some, some fun
02:08:04.380
We're like, we're like, we're like, um, we knew this is a frat chat.
02:08:10.240
Wait, so, oh, and then you're friends with Aline, right?
02:08:15.120
So you, she's the plus one and then Kylie was through, through, through Moo.
02:08:20.620
If you guys don't know, Moo Esports was this, uh, Esports cafe here in Isla Vista, unfortunately
02:08:28.700
The guy, John, um, it was nice, really nice guy.
02:08:32.360
He actually gifted me something before he left.
02:08:45.660
So, um, let's do some super chats here, Chris, cause we got a few.
02:09:12.040
Um, I'll let the girls go and then I'll give you my gangster line.
02:09:30.360
I don't really like having that, like, shallow interaction, like, purely, because most, a lot
02:09:35.400
of people, they only look at, like, what you wrote if they're like, oh yeah, like, she's
02:09:41.000
But, so I've never had a dating app, but I honestly, I like, like, cheesy puns personally.
02:09:48.460
Like, that would, that would get you a first date for sure.
02:09:51.760
Did you know that on Tinder, I matched with my chem TA, and then he slid in my DMs?
02:10:07.800
I don't even think that's illegal, because we're over 18.
02:10:11.720
It's, well, no, I think, uh, the teacher could get in, not criminally, but the teacher
02:10:22.480
And then I found out he was married, and I was like.
02:10:48.980
Um, but I have a really good Tinder bio, so people come up with a lot of creative things.
02:10:56.680
Um, it's swipe right if you like tall girls and sleepovers, because I, I mentioned I'm
02:11:07.880
No discrimination, but it's just, like, I'm 5'10", and, like, if we're 5'6", like, besties.
02:11:15.760
And everyone's like, oh, you're the same height in bed.
02:11:32.920
Like, I, no, that's a terrible Tinder pickup line.
02:11:39.760
I mean, the thing is, is that every, like, I'm sure you, of the girls here who have been
02:11:44.740
on dating apps, like, a lot of guys just, the first thing they'll say is, hi, hey,
02:11:52.860
And maybe if he's, maybe if he's good looking, then you'll let it slide.
02:11:56.100
But, like, if you get a hundred of those, you might, you might be a bit more intrigued
02:11:59.820
by the guy who, like, maybe says something a bit clever or, you know.
02:12:03.760
So, yeah, let's move on to the next Super Chat, Chris.
02:12:15.480
But Will Smith, where's your buddy Bill Gates, dude?
02:12:18.360
So, our first show, there was a Bill Gates going back and forth with Will Smith.
02:12:26.840
Oh, we got some J card with some cheers on Twitch.
02:12:46.040
You'll not, by the way, Chris, you don't have to hide them before you show the next one.
02:12:57.460
Brian, these girls don't understand how much of a legend you are.
02:13:01.340
You and Loft were my favorite channels back in the day.
02:13:13.540
I mean, so here's, and like, and maybe this is because I stayed in Santa Barbara.
02:13:18.660
I never went to L.A., and I think that's kind of what, you know, when I was building
02:13:31.800
Growing up in a smaller town, I just, the traffic's bad, whatever.
02:13:35.820
But I think being in a community where I was, there's not a lot of other YouTubers, like
02:13:41.840
people don't really give a fuck about if you have a YouTube channel or whatnot, like, I
02:13:49.400
But yeah, as far as where, like, where you, where I rank social media people, and maybe
02:13:55.060
this is because I'm a bit older, I feel like now you ask young people, what do you want
02:14:04.100
And so there, I think younger people are looking up to, like, their favorite YouTuber, their
02:14:09.740
favorite Twitch streamer, like, that's the new A-list actor to them.
02:14:15.260
That's the new Justin Bieber, like, that's, that's how people view them.
02:14:18.500
It's also because there's so much content to consume of them, and they post a lot of
02:14:21.700
personal things, so you feel like you can be a part of their life, and you're like,
02:14:25.820
You feel more personal, so you look up to them even more.
02:14:28.180
Yeah, but so just as far as the legend thing, so that, you know, there's, like, ventriloquist,
02:14:34.100
stage ventriloquist, and then there's a YouTuber down here.
02:14:49.580
No, because I, like, looked up to him as, like, a content creator, and I was like, wow,
02:14:56.940
I'm not going to say it on live, but, um, but, you know, I looked up to him, and then
02:15:10.660
Trying to think of the other Twitch streamers I know.
02:15:38.180
Like, everybody, especially us, like, in this day and age, we remember our favorite YouTubers
02:15:45.260
You are excited to get home from school so, like, you can watch the new video of that
02:16:12.440
People call me that, but I've never called myself that.
02:16:15.260
For people, what do you want to explain to the audience if they don't know what that
02:16:33.420
And, like, the stereotype for ABGs are they're dating a Kevin Nguyen, which is, like, a fuckboy,
02:17:03.220
I think it means you're, like, pretty, like, you dress nice and, like, like, I don't know.
02:17:07.240
I feel like, like, they all, you have, like, a cute sense of style.
02:17:09.400
I think it's more of, like, like, Americanized Asian girl.
02:17:27.620
How do you pronounce that very common last name?
02:17:33.100
What can a short guy that's about 5'6", 130 pounds do to attract more women on dating apps?
02:17:56.840
I mean, date shorter women, but you know what's actually interesting is that...
02:18:01.960
You know what's actually interesting is that it seems to me that, like, average height women
02:18:09.220
Not to say that, like, average height or taller women don't care about height, but, like,
02:18:15.120
women who are, like, 5 feet and under, 4'11", they still...
02:18:32.840
Not all women, but I have noticed a bit of a pattern where, like, 4'11", 5-foot girl,
02:18:42.020
Or, sorry, 6 inches taller than her, but she still wants...
02:19:03.340
I am actually currently with a different short king.
02:24:58.360
there's certainly something to be said for charisma and confidence.
02:25:09.360
I have literally shot my shot with so many guys.
02:25:14.800
I'll land a lot of them and I'll get rejected from a lot too.
02:25:27.300
you have to be comfortable with going into the situation,
02:25:36.260
I would say it's 75% of everything that I've done.
02:26:34.220
I sometimes will literally straight up tell them,
02:26:46.700
I'm pretty successful because if you go into it confident and like off the bat and like give them a compliment,
02:26:55.560
they're going to be like flattered and want to keep talking to you,
02:27:00.040
I feel like they like it more than having to approach women all the time.
02:27:06.300
I like making those men like feel good because then it gives me a bump.
02:27:12.560
it's better for both of us because now I feel like confident in myself to walk up and like start a conversation.
02:27:19.740
I'm not going to sit patiently in a corner with my legs crossed trying to look pretty for some guy.
02:27:33.580
I feel like guys like in general think that we care so much more about looks than we actually do.
02:27:42.600
we're such personalities from like who I know you guys.
02:27:50.760
there's a reason why all these comedians have like drop dead gorgeous wives,
02:29:27.460
someone's personality is a game changer for me,
02:29:33.260
So like the physical attractiveness is the first thing,
02:29:35.940
but you can be mid and then become hot from your personality.
02:29:41.260
Like personality matters a lot more to me because like,
02:29:43.940
I'm not going to date someone who's hot and boring.
02:29:53.560
I don't have to find someone super hot to walk up to them.
02:30:47.020
I started halfway through the month and I got 6,000.
02:30:52.480
because I was still living in the dorms and I realized that snag was not going to fund my illicit college activities.
02:31:17.060
And now I have a super nice PC and I can like buy my boyfriend dinner.
02:31:29.280
I just realized I didn't really give my total answer.
02:31:40.360
And if you don't want to meet them on dating apps,
02:31:42.480
there's clubs and social things that you can join.
02:31:54.760
Sigma Nu at UCSB apparently sounds like the best one.
02:32:43.980
I was not in the fraternity when I was in college,
02:32:47.040
you kind of associate when you're in Isla Vista,
02:32:59.100
because the only reason that mine had any sort of traction was because of the gaming thing.
02:33:31.540
some random man on the internet scrolling through.
02:33:41.260
it's kind of an L for me because it's something that I have to bring up.
02:33:45.420
if I'm trying to be in a relationship with somebody.
02:34:02.040
Like she doesn't have self-respect for selling her body on the internet.
02:34:08.760
It's just making it so I don't have to get a shitty minimum wage job.
02:34:37.960
I was making Tik Toks and I didn't have anything.
02:34:59.980
cause like it was Apex Pred and that's the top like 750.
02:35:20.300
and I had to like fight through the cringe of being like,
02:35:27.600
I didn't because I was streaming in a public place for the majority of that.
02:35:47.560
because I had like my nice streaming mic and I'd be like,
02:36:26.200
so you were talking about only fans and you feel like you,
02:36:30.080
you're sort of mixed about it because you do feel like,
02:36:35.100
there could be some issues when entering into a new relationship with a new guy.
02:36:39.180
And so while I go around the panel and I guess we could talk a bit about that.
02:36:47.720
I'm not sure how I want to frame this question.
02:37:00.180
would you object to a guy who didn't want to date a girl because she hadn't only fans,
02:37:05.660
she was a stripper or she did porn either currently or in the past?
02:37:12.180
that's the thing is I would completely understand.
02:37:18.060
Why don't we start with the line and we'll come to you at the end.
02:37:21.900
I honestly like a guy who's like that because that means that like our morals are in line.
02:37:28.140
Cause I personally would never make an only fans.
02:37:35.120
I totally support them and they're like a crucial part in our community.
02:37:52.740
I feel like that's like exploiting like my body or,
02:38:17.100
like things that they like took a lot of time and effort and display like hard work.
02:38:23.680
I feel like that's more attractive to me because that's what I would do in my life.
02:39:14.780
like most girls or most people who have an only fans and they're in a
02:39:35.460
I wouldn't want my partner to have an only fans,
02:39:40.980
there's an extent to that because like only fans doesn't have to be like
02:39:51.420
If he wants to post some ad pics and get money for it,
02:39:59.420
there's like tasteful lingerie shoots versus like double penetration.
02:40:16.120
I honestly wouldn't be opposed to like an only fans,
02:40:18.980
but I would definitely like be wearing clothes.
02:40:29.360
to a guy having issue or not being willing to date a girl who did only fans,
02:40:37.720
or was a stripper or did porn either currently or even in the past?
02:40:51.020
But I just think that kind of shows they're insecure if they don't accept them for doing that.
02:40:58.120
we're not doing that because we want like a girl,
02:41:01.400
but someone's not doing that because they want to,
02:41:04.200
Like they're not like doing it because this is fun.
02:41:06.320
Like they're just doing it because they know they can make money off that.
02:41:11.360
I think it just shows a guy's kind of insecure,
02:41:23.960
they think that like it takes away from like her value,
02:41:29.160
I think that comes out of like their insecurities of like sharing.
02:41:43.240
And it doesn't like having an only fans doesn't say anything about that person.
02:41:58.040
she was having sex with other people on camera.
02:42:08.440
you know what you're getting into when you're getting into it.
02:42:15.900
I would understand why a guy wouldn't want to be with a porn star.
02:42:19.240
so many girls have seen my girl like doing what I'm doing with her.
02:42:36.060
I think that I agree with her in the fact that I could understand like where the
02:42:47.060
I don't want my girl to be on the internet like that.
02:42:50.500
and I do have a very open discussion with my current boyfriend about it because I
02:42:58.920
I don't want to do anything behind his back or like anything shady.
02:43:11.700
but can you not do this one like specific thing?
02:43:26.000
I could not date a porn star personally because I'm way too jealous of a
02:43:37.600
Like him having sex with another woman and it works the other way around as
02:43:43.300
I wouldn't want him to be like sending dick pics online.
02:43:50.560
But we like look at the people online on my only fans and we laugh together
02:43:55.860
because of all the ridiculous shit that these like old men are saying.
02:43:59.000
Like the people that buy the only fans are a very specific type of person.
02:44:12.200
And like they're paying for my attention pretty much,
02:44:15.940
which I think is a little bit of an ego boost because I'm like,
02:44:23.340
I don't care what they say to you because at the end of the day,
02:44:28.740
Like I'm the one that gets to spend time with you.
02:44:32.240
were you guys dating before you started your only fans?
02:44:36.340
So you had started your only fans and then you started dating him.
02:44:46.480
And it sounds like you guys now make videos together.
02:45:03.060
but like anything that actually shows like substance,
02:45:30.820
but people like literally will send nudes for like five bucks on OnlyFans.
02:45:43.120
then like go to some girl on the internet who sells it for two bucks.
02:45:47.560
Cause if you don't want to help me pay for my rent,
02:45:56.260
I don't think it's insecure for having personal boundaries or preferences.
02:46:13.160
I value like intelligence and like hard work as like a way of,
02:46:32.400
I don't like that kind of reputation on myself.
02:46:59.240
like obviously you might not make as much money,
02:47:04.960
you're like reliant on this like form of money that you're not spending time in
02:47:20.240
experience so that you can't get a job later when you can't no longer earn that type of money.
02:47:33.300
there are some instances where people are like,
02:47:39.600
They're getting this cash flow of like a lot of money and they're relying on this money to sustain them.
02:47:53.440
Like you're not getting experience from other jobs.
02:47:56.220
You're just getting money from this particular income source and you're not getting like job experiences.
02:48:16.600
And I can put that in like other like resumes and stuff.
02:48:22.020
Like there's like stuff that I can write down in my resume.
02:48:31.080
this is something for a little extra cash on the side.
02:48:33.960
I'm just saying like some people can be reliant.
02:48:54.880
Whereas now it's extremely popular and every other person has one,
02:48:59.100
but the people who actually make money off of it and who are actually successful with it
02:49:03.640
are people that have built platforms themselves in the first place.
02:49:11.980
you can't really have a successful OnlyFans without putting your hard work and having a different businesses
02:49:19.640
I think that that can be true for some instances.
02:49:25.720
I have a TikTok and I've had it for a while now,
02:49:31.660
because I literally just post whatever I want on it.
02:49:33.940
I don't put any effort or I just do it for fun.
02:49:42.740
I had like thousands of comments saying OnlyFans debut,
02:50:09.300
And then I just put some shitty like caption on it.
02:50:12.200
And then like I got like 2 million views or whatever.
02:50:41.480
And also like every different types of OnlyFans
02:50:53.940
I'm just saying like my personal like experience,
02:52:40.340
I hate the fact that I have OnlyFans sometimes,
02:53:18.120
I've kind of manipulated these men to being like,
02:53:22.320
Like I'm going to pay this girl for pictures of her feet.
02:53:33.160
it's not really empowering so much as it's like necessary.
02:54:22.000
He is currently getting his PhD for computer architecture at UCLA.
02:55:02.440
what I want to do is give you guys the opportunity.
02:55:35.280
I guess like the topic of this whole podcast video in the first place was who pays on the first day.
02:56:06.740
It could be related to the topic at hand or just something totally unrelated to the panel or to myself or.
02:56:19.700
guys who like girls with like childish features,
02:56:31.460
I want them to be short with a high pitched voice,
02:56:48.040
Men's standard for women is generally like that.
02:56:53.360
you mean just generally feminine or generally like,
02:56:56.860
like the beauty standard for women for men is like small,
02:57:21.380
I think guys who say that they liked that wouldn't consider it childish.
02:57:26.200
I want my girl to look like a girl like that to look like a little girl.
02:57:40.740
I don't think if a guy wants like specifically,
02:57:51.340
But if you get in a relationship with that person or like you're with that person
02:57:57.100
Like you can go for that person off the bat and that's fine.
02:58:13.740
Like that's what I thought you were talking about.
02:58:15.240
That's what I thought you were talking about first too.
02:58:32.320
One time a guy asked me to do it and I was like,
02:58:57.340
But it's also easier to be little spoon when you're smaller.
02:59:07.820
you get the hair in the face and you're breathing it.
02:59:14.520
I prefer being the big spoon a lot of the time.
03:00:08.400
but I find myself not really caring if they're like a nice guy and we get along.
03:00:28.060
like one to two inches taller than me based on the shoes we're wearing.
03:00:36.280
that's four inches for me to get with four inches.
03:00:51.720
but before that you were talking like about guys who kind of like the,
03:01:22.200
Do you guys think nice guys finish first or last?
03:01:47.260
not necessarily like cocky to the point where he's like bragging about everything,
03:01:50.960
a guy that'll like do a little leg set and then like check himself out in the mirror.
03:01:58.780
I think there's a really big difference between confidence and,
03:02:08.680
like you could have no self-esteem and have a bunch of confidence,
03:02:14.340
but self-esteem is really attractive when guys actually like believe that themselves,
03:02:36.280
He fucking hits me back like five times harder.
03:02:47.580
I was going to say what part of my type is I like lifts a lot.
03:02:58.700
But I really like if a guy lifts and I can tell,
03:03:07.420
Cause also it's not even just about the way that it changes.
03:03:10.160
it shows they care about themselves and they spend the time.
03:03:14.520
we are wrapping up here pretty soon in a couple of minutes.
03:03:58.440
We'll give our take and then we'll do super chats and wrap it up.
03:04:02.580
I'm going to take a second to go ahead and talk about something that just happened to me because literally I fucking cannot.
03:04:08.700
Let me put my shades on to try to hide the disdain.
03:04:11.020
I went out on a casual little like get to meet and greet with this dude who we have both canceled on each other multiple times.
03:04:18.460
We go to like a local little bar thing and you know,
03:04:39.760
He proceeds to pay with his bill in cash and I pay mine,
03:04:53.040
This man then proceeds to call me on my way home as I'm complaining to my homegirl about what a fucking horrible idea this was.
03:06:32.400
I think that if you don't want something to happen,
03:06:53.880
let him ask for the checks if you want him to pay.
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sometimes I prefer to pay for myself and I'm like,
03:08:06.400
don't make the offer if you don't want someone to accept it.
03:08:10.980
I think it's very manipulative and just super immature,
03:08:41.800
It's because I won't get mad if he doesn't because I've offered.
03:09:10.360
is it a test or are you actually genuinely offering?
03:09:16.820
I'm just saying it's a test because it can affect the way that I like and perceive you.
03:09:52.100
so my take on it as far as her freak out or whatever,
03:10:11.200
from women who do these hand gestures when talking,
03:10:39.080
actually the only reason I put it on is because you guys were roasting me
03:10:41.980
before the show started because I had some dandruff.
03:10:57.060
So I'm going to kind of end the thing with who should pay.
03:11:08.900
So would you guys agree that the guy paying is a traditional,
03:11:26.020
Like it's a traditional thing for the guy to pay,
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so my advice to men is you do not participate in traditional courtship with
03:11:55.300
I would wager to say that probably most women are not traditional.
03:12:01.780
I think a lot of guys are not traditional anymore either.
03:12:06.520
if you try to be traditional with a non-traditional woman,
03:12:28.460
you would know that your personalities didn't work well together.
03:12:34.100
You may be non-traditional and she may be traditional or vice versa.
03:13:08.540
I don't want to provide if she's sleeping with another guy.
03:13:25.560
but the dating meta is such that you have to assume that the other person is sleeping with at least one other person.
03:13:43.140
you have to assume he's sleeping with at least one other girl.
03:13:48.600
I'm trying to remember if it was one of the previous shows,
03:13:58.120
she was concurrently hooking up with five guys.
03:14:15.600
you have to assume that they're sleeping with somebody else.
03:14:25.260
because you're assuming that she's hooking up with other people.
03:14:42.400
is that I shouldn't have to adhere to my traditional gender roles.
03:15:25.640
I was just going to ask her when you said you don't want to adhere to your traditional
03:15:45.220
Because like with anything that is traditional or even anything now,
03:15:51.820
but it's also saying that you refuse to pay on the first date.
03:16:44.400
decent amount of girls are going to take coral with that.
03:16:49.040
would you make that clear before you went on the date?
03:17:01.140
would you make it clear that you want to split the bill on a date before the date even starts?
03:17:39.720
the thing that that one woman said with the fantastic eyeliner,
03:17:42.800
how she said that if someone is asking you out on a date,
03:18:20.540
guys assume that we care that much about looks personality is means way more to us.
03:18:33.280
So they have four random girls telling you this who are in college.
03:18:45.800
I think you can make up for it with confidence,
03:19:21.320
as far as initiative from be it asking the girl for a number,
03:19:46.420
With the girl making the first move in every situation.
03:20:03.340
if I don't take initiative and I don't get me wrong,
03:20:21.720
If the girl already knows that you're going to take initiative for everything,
03:20:55.480
let's say we've been dating for a couple of weeks,
03:21:02.180
I'm the only always the one that sort of has to initiate things or start
03:21:23.080
do you think that maybe that leads more to her not reciprocating?
03:22:18.460
I was referring more to when you said that you refused to pay for her the first date,
03:22:30.100
If I'm dating someone who's a bit younger and I'm like clearly the breadwinner,
03:23:02.460
you would object to me dating a girl who's like 21,
03:23:50.400
I'd say most of the women I date are like late twenties,
03:23:57.160
I would not have an issue dating a woman who's 21.
03:24:19.580
And even you just said that if I was the breadwinner,
03:24:23.860
And the only time I would ever pay for a girl on a date or do that for her
03:24:30.140
Cause that's about proportionality if she doesn't like,
03:24:47.220
or if I want to like take my girl to Hawaii and she's in college and I want,
03:25:18.100
It's always met with contempt and shaming language.
03:25:36.580
I'm saying it would be weird if it was a fetish,
03:25:38.580
but I think there's no problem with dating someone younger.
03:25:53.080
And you're currently sitting with four college girls.
03:26:01.280
but we were talking about context in which I would pay for a date.
03:26:04.440
And that is one contact context in which I would more willingly be willing to pay because there's a proportionality in terms of what we can afford.
03:26:16.900
if I want to go to a really nice place and she doesn't work and she's in college,
03:26:36.740
So I've had some experiences where I've dated women who are make more money than I do.
03:26:53.080
She was a litigation attorney making 200 to $300,000 a year.
03:27:21.200
the only thing that I said is that no matter what relationship,
03:27:32.300
So you think whether it's an older guy dating someone younger or an older woman dating someone younger?
03:28:12.300
But what I'm saying is that with relationships that have such a large age gap,
03:28:17.300
there will be an abuse of power because there is an extensive amount of experience that the younger one had just never experienced.
03:28:36.660
but we could also say that women get more experience romantically than men do.
03:28:50.600
So what if you were dating someone with dementia and he's like,
03:29:01.640
I don't understand why that has anything to do with it.
03:29:06.580
Everybody knows you never go full of your time.
03:29:11.780
if you were like a young woman and there was like this very old man with dementia and he wanted to date him because he likes going to Denny's and he wanted to use it as a senior discount.
03:29:23.120
I don't get why we keep bringing things up that are basically the same that are just like the switched version version of it with male and woman.
03:29:33.700
And it doesn't make it any better or any worse.
03:29:42.380
like I don't think anyone has like people wouldn't look down on cougars.
03:29:55.800
It's not looked down on as much as older men dating younger women because cougars and milfs are a fetish that have been come up by men.
03:30:11.760
maybe like maybe let's not criticize that and judge that just now.
03:30:29.380
it's not criticized as much because it's not fetishized because it's fetishized.
03:30:39.920
and I think that people are going to get hate for whatever they do.
03:31:12.440
It does seem to me that men are very often shamed when they have,
03:31:20.300
necessarily a preference for women who are like younger.
03:31:32.040
it's of the women I've dated in the past couple of years,
03:31:46.220
I don't want to get too deep into that just because,
03:32:15.180
then let's just read the super chats here and then we'll,
03:32:31.020
So we're going to do some shows next week so we can always have you guys on.
03:32:40.520
pick back up some of these conversations next week.
03:32:49.340
I don't know where we left off at ask Cindy about.
03:33:23.340
do you guys think cats are as emotionally attached as dogs?
03:34:16.080
Are you from the French speaking or the English?
03:34:29.540
so it took us six months to get this fucking podcast going.
03:34:49.740
and with the help of Calamity Chris back there on the ones and twos.
03:35:18.060
Would you date a man under five feet under 410?
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Just wanted to say thank you to these lovely girls.
03:36:11.300
They made this an entertaining and fun podcast.
03:36:56.780
But I also think like a majority of Asian girls,
03:37:01.800
and everyone's pretty much attracted to white guys,
03:37:18.880
I'd say like a lot of my friends who are Asian,
03:37:21.860
they tend to look at like white guys more for some reason.
03:37:52.680
I do think Asian guys can struggle dating wise,
03:38:01.860
It could be interesting to bring on an Asian guy and see what he has to say.
03:38:04.380
But I think women should date Asian men are great.
03:38:14.060
It's because a majority of them are like shorter in height or they don't have like,
03:38:35.520
like you don't see a lot of Asian guys in athletics and like a lot of girls are into athletes,
03:39:02.880
They don't like an Asian guy probably wouldn't.
03:39:33.720
some Asian guys and they've told me that they've definitely felt like they're at a disadvantage.
03:39:40.160
And so I do think there's certainly some truth to that,
03:39:53.920
we will pick up some of these topics next week.
03:39:57.360
I think maybe we'll see some similar faces again.
03:40:23.440
And I might be doing an interview with somebody.
03:40:34.580
Thank you to my panel and we'll see you next time.