Dating Talk #65
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4 hours and 51 minutes
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181.65688
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237
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we introduce the hosts, Madison and Kiki, to the world. We also introduce our guest, Kelsey, who is a recovering sex addict, and Eric, who's a college student at the University of California, Santa Barbara, currently studying accounting.
Transcript
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So maybe we can get there by the end of tonight.
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We're like 2,000 away from 100K on Twitter too.
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after that thoroughly long-winded introduction,
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we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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and I'm a student at Santa Barbara City College,
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Situationship, relationship, engaged, married, et cetera,
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I'm going to marry the man that I'm with right now.
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but my longest relationship was probably 10 months.
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Did you say that about your previous 10-month relationship?
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I'd be more than willing to have my marriage proposal in this loft.
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Yeah, I'm sure that'd be some wonderful memories.
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While we're talking about the nuances and frustrations of modern dating.
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I, like, so recent, I still live with my ex-boyfriend.
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So, we were friends for, like, from the time I was 18, and I'm 22.
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So, like, four and a half, five years, something like that.
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Like, I think the reason why we were friends for so long was because there wasn't any chemistry there.
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Uh, and remind me, how long had you guys been dating?
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You mentioned earlier that you are a sex addict.
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So, I go to SLAA, which stands for Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous.
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Uh, I just, obviously, like, going to a mixed SAA meeting is like going to, like, an AA meeting in a bar.
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Uh, you relapsed with someone who attended the Sex Addicts meeting, who was also a sex addict.
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I don't even know why they have mixed meetings.
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That'd almost be like doing, uh, like, an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in a bar.
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Well, then, although I do suppose, like, you could be bi or...
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I am a husband and father of two, raising a daughter in what, to me, is a continually falling world.
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How could I be a better father by shaping her into a more whole woman for a worthy man to spend her life with?
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You know what I'm gonna do, just, just so I can get through this initial introduction stage of everyone sharing their, uh, relationship status.
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I'll trigger it again, uh, in about maybe 10, 15 minutes once we kind of get through everybody.
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We will touch on that very soon, and I'll trigger it again.
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SLAA, and it's an all-women's, like, Zoom meeting.
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Um, it can look like a lot of different things for a lot of different people.
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I'm, I'm also a recovered drug addict, but sex was kind of, like, my, um, switch away from opiates.
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So I, once I got clean off of opiates, it just kind of transformed itself.
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I mean, it's always been a problem, but it really...
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I did top 1% DPS on my server for a Shadow Priest during Lich King.
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Also loved the Murdoch sound effect from the last podcast.
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Hey, thank you so much for the, uh, for that soup chat, man.
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Um, and you know what, if, maybe we'll talk about gamers later on.
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We'll, uh, we'll ask the girls about gamers later on in the show.
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Okay, so, wow, they really want to interrupt you on your sex addiction story.
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Um, so you said you were also addicted to opiates, correct?
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Um, okay, so, uh, how long have you been clean on those?
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I've been clean on those since I was, like, 18 and a half.
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Um, after, like, my last OD, and it really scared me, so.
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Um, and is it pretty common for people who have sex addiction to also have other kinds of addictions?
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My mom's an alcoholic, so obviously it's genetic, but she, she kind of knows, has always known
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Yeah, it started with adult content when I was, like, nine, ten years old or something
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Yeah, so, and I just, I kept getting addicted to it, and I, like, could not stop watching
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Um, and then eventually it got to a point where, like, I was 19 and I got kicked out
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of my house because I was, like, bringing over six dudes a night.
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She said, wait, six times, well, I'm thinking a weekday, a week, Monday through Friday.
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Or I used to like to drink a lot, too, so I would go to the bar, drink, and hook up with guys.
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Okay, so you would sleep with six guys a night?
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So, like, would you slot them in, like, 7 p.m., 8 p.m., 9 p.m., 10 p.m.?
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I would say I would even, like, have, like, my backup guys to where it was, like, if this
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Then I would invite this guy, and then if he did come, if the first guy did come, then
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I'd tell the other guy, oh, I'm busy, like, I can't, you know, make it, or whatever.
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Did you have a spreadsheet, like, an Excel spreadsheet?
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Eventually, like, I had to write people's names down, because it got, like, so insane.
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So, what's the most amount of men you've hooked up with in a 24-hour period?
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Yeah, that was when I was, like, I was, like, really depressed, and when I'm depressed, like,
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And you were meeting, you said most, almost all of these guys from Tinder, or dating apps?
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I usually save this question for a little later on in the show, but do you have a sense
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Um, so, did you, uh, I have, like, a million questions, so I'm just, like, trying to...
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Okay, and, um, would you say that, uh, what's the most in, like, a week?
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Because you said six in a day, in 24 hours, or about, like, a week?
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Yeah, on average, it would probably be, like, like, if I wasn't, like, deep into it, like,
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Like, but I was also, like, acting out, like, I would, like, like, flash my neighbors and
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stuff, and, like, if I was just, like, I don't know, yeah.
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I feel like this could help people, so I, I get, like, weird talking about it, but I feel
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like if I talk about it, that people will, yeah.
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Um, so, okay, uh, did, uh, how much per week, though?
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Well, no, but you said there was six in the night.
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Yeah, but on average, it was, like, two to three per week.
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Two to three new guys hooking up with per week.
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Yeah, but, like, for a consecutive, like, one to two months, it was, like.
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But is there one week where there was just, like, you went on a tear, and it was, like,
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What, how, do you know how much in, the most in one week?
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So, that one, the six in the night, that was just, you went hard.
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Probably, like, I don't know, like, maybe, like, like, 20?
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And so, you said you were meeting most of these men from dating apps.
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Like, would, would you kind of, me, like, make the move?
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Because, because typically women don't need to make the move.
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But, I mean, to put up six, to do six in the night, you're going to have to put in some
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I would, and I, like, on average, I was getting rejected probably more than the average woman
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But, it would, it's, like, being a woman, it's very easily accessible.
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So, it was, like, I didn't really have to reach out most of the time.
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So, during your peak, would you say that if you were so inclined, you could almost, any
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Like, if you want, if you really wanted to, you could, you could have sex with a new guy?
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And you're in a, you're, was this all in, you said you're from Oregon?
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Because, like, I was, like, hooking up with, like, everybody in the area.
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And then, eventually, like, I literally, like, was out of control.
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And then, eventually, my, like, my best friend, I think she's watching right now.
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But, I was, it, like, I knew it was out of control when, like, I accidentally, like,
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But, I hooked up with one of the guys she was talking to.
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Like, I, and then it really, like, that was, like, my bottom.
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And, it really hit me that it was, like, this behavior is, like, out of control for me.
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Did the guys know, the guys that you were hooking up with, did they know that you were hooking up with a bunch of other dudes?
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So, I used to, I don't know if I should say the restaurant that I worked at.
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Like, I literally would, like, like, sleep around with any new guy that walked in the door.
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So, like, I made a reputation of myself there of, like, where it was, like, dude, she's, like, crazy.
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Uh, I'll, I might return to that a little bit later.
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I want to let everyone have a chance to, uh, but thank you for sharing.
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I mean, I appreciate your forthcomingness with all this.
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And, uh, yeah, so, we'll, we'll return to all that.
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Um, so, I don't know if you recall the initial question, but what's your, what's your relationship status, single, talking stage, situationship, relationship, uh, and your longest relationship?
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You, you think, that is, you, that's just another step.
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Not only are you in a situationship, you think you're in a situationship.
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Okay, uh, why don't you tell us a little bit about that?
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Um, so, we've been dating for, like, maybe two months now.
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Um, but he's, like, a little bit confusing and doesn't really know what he wants, but still wants to continue it, but didn't want a situationship, which, not very clear.
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But, and then we did break up at one point, and then we got back together the same day.
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Can you look in the, uh, where it's, under the island?
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What, what, and what's your longest relationship you've ever been in?
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Um, probably another situationship, and it was, like, ten months.
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Wait, sorry, I'm sorry, I was trying to get the pen.
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I've never been in an actual, like, functioning relationship.
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Did, have you ever had a guy who you called your boyfriend, but he didn't call you his girlfriend?
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I feel like we were all kind of on the same page.
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If anything, it was probably that guy that was, like, the ten-month little stint.
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Um, I feel like, I thought we were, like, kind of close to being there, but he was absolutely
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Okay, so you're, you're hooking up with your situationship currently?
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Um, because, well, I, I'm asking you because the way I invited you on the show is, I,
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I did the reverse finesse, procured you from a dating app, Hinge.
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Um, so I assume, then, that your situationship is, you're not monogamous.
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I feel like if I ever did actually see someone, I would definitely tell him.
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Um, I think I was getting really bored of this whole, like, back and forth, like, are
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we something, are we not something, like, all that.
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And I was like, I'm not gonna just sit here and wait for you to decide, so.
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So, have you brought up the conversation about, do you want more from him?
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Thank you, Marquavius, uh, the, all right, um, have you brought up the, this up with
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He just, like, doesn't really know what he wants.
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Um, he's in nursing school right now, so I kind of want to give him time to, like, develop
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So, would you say maybe you guys have only hung out, like, ten times?
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I don't think so, but we've never really talked about it.
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Well, because you're, you're on the dating apps.
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Although, have you, while you've been seeing this guy, have there been other guys?
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It's just been, honestly, it kind of sucks because then I'm, like, okay, well, now I'm, like,
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people are still talking to me, but it's, like, oh, I still really like him.
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Um, and you said prior to that, you, you haven't had an official relationship, but there was
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And then, prior to those, have you kind of been, are you desirous of something more serious?
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Just, I'm asking if it's, you're fine with the situationship or, uh, casual, more casual
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I definitely think I'm looking for, like, a little bit more, um, I'm a person that I
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will give, like, everything to someone, and it's hard when you're in a situationship or,
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like, just hooking up, because it's obviously not reciprocated.
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How do you, when you say you give everything, what do you mean?
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Like, I feel like, I'd, like, oh, I'd love to, like, cook for you, or, like, hang out with
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you, or, um, like, if I'm free, like, we'll go, like, grab coffee.
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And it doesn't, it's definitely not, like, I don't want to suffocate you.
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But, um, like, I just feel like I'm a very giving person, just in general.
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And are you currently doing those things for your situationship?
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But if I, like, made cookies, I'd be like, oh, do you want to, like, come pick one up?
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I do not enjoy, uh, watching her be with other men or any of that.
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Uh, we were, had $100 in our bank account when she started to do the work.
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Um, no, I, uh, I, I don't have low testosterone.
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I watched when you were all, when everybody was going live, I did see all the hate comments.
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Most of the hate comments were from other men, not women.
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Um, and if you don't want to be with a girl that, uh, has an OnlyFans or has done porn or adult work, then don't, don't be with that girl.
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Uh, we were together for quite a bit of time before she did all that work.
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And, uh, and I will be with her even after because I love her.
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So what, why don't we give it, there might be new people tuning in.
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Uh, you guys have been dating for what, four years?
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So midway through your relationship, you started doing OnlyFans, correct?
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And then procuring sugar daddies and, uh, doing escorting or no?
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If they have OnlyFans and they're into that, but.
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I have guys that will just text me and just spoil me and send me a hundred bucks or whatever.
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Take me to get like Louis Vuitton bags or whatever.
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I, um, uh, you know, I, I don't watch any of her porn.
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I don't, I don't, uh, help her with a lot of the stuff.
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You know, if I had to be very involved in it, I probably would be a little disturbed because
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this is the woman that I do love and, and, and care for.
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So yes, there is that aspect of it, but I don't get like, I don't think about it.
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It's just, you know, it's a letter do what she does and, and make the money and come
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back because as long as she's not romantically involved with someone else, I don't view it
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It's, it's the romance involved and eventually she does plan on retiring from it.
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It's something we've had to do for quite a few years now, uh, to make money, but now
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We are going to get a cabin up in the Smokies and we're going to have our own businesses
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So she doesn't have to do any of this stuff anymore.
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And, uh, and some guys don't want to, uh, you know, allow their woman to do that for
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But, uh, for me, it just, when you're living in your car in one of the most expensive cities
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in America and you have a hundred bucks in your bank account and she says, you know, look,
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we're, we're going to go hungry if we don't do something.
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And you're like, I don't know what we're going to do.
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And I've been trying to look for work and I've been applying at hundreds of jobs and I
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And she says, Hey, if I just go to the club and, and dance for a night, I'll make a couple
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What would, so you said at first you didn't want her to do it.
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You know, I hadn't been, I didn't, I didn't really watch a lot of porn and, and, and I
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I didn't know that there's good people in it, that you can be safe in a strip club, that
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So I'm like, I don't know if I want to go to the, the Valley and, you know, some part
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of sketchy part of town and let you dance for the night.
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You know, I don't know who's going to be there or how it's going to be, but eventually, you
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know, you just say, look, we're desperate for money.
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And we gave it a try and it's not as bad as people think it is.
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But so was there a gradual increase in terms of what was being done?
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Anything that supports sex-subitionism, all dating apps, of, et cetera, Instagram, snap
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as long as they permit hookups don't allow people to profit from degeneracy.
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Yo, Shizzle, thank you for the big super chat, man.
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You had $100 in your account because you're selling freaking instruments.
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Instead, your woman sells her body to keep you afloat.
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How can you say you don't want her to do it, but live your life in a way that she has
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So, at that time, I was not selling instruments.
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I got into selling instruments in 2020, which is because of lockdowns, and 2020 was the best
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So, I actually made quite a bit of money, thousands of dollars every month, and was doing
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just fine when lots of other people weren't making any money.
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We make more money now for things that I definitely wouldn't be able to afford.
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I do plan on having my own recording studio up in those mountains, and that is very expensive,
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Like, we have things that we want and that we need, but we both, like, work, you know?
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So, just really quick to go back to my initial question before the TTS came in.
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So, you were kind of describing what your first initial instinct was.
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And you initially were like, no, no, no, I'm not comfortable with this.
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So, I mean, I guess my two questions are, you previously said that you consider you to be monogamous.
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Yes, because she's not romantically involved with the other men.
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I understand the implication that it is sleeping with other men on camera and stuff, but it's more acting.
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So, you know, other people would say that's cheating.
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Well, it may not necessarily be cheating, but I don't think you can classify what you guys have as monogamy.
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We all have our own opinions, but we're just doing it for money and so we can get a place.
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It's because, you know, like we used to work in grocery stores and fast food and we were miserable and broke.
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400 bucks a week or something and could barely eat.
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Like, one day we were just, like, really broke and had 100 bucks, like you said.
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And I was like, well, what if I work at this club?
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I asked him permission before I did any of this.
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Get a prenup before you get married just in case.
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Don't put yourself in a losing position if things go south.
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You may risk half if your boy ain't feeling it anymore.
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I think everybody should get a prenup, especially if you have a lot of money.
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Even so, I have things that I don't want to give her.
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And she has things that she probably wouldn't want to give me.
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If she were to sleep with another man, not within the context of creating adult content,
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Yeah, of course, because that's actually cheating.
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She might not, but would you have an issue with that?
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Can I ask out of genuine curiosity, you said telling your story early on that you kind
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of willfully remain ignorant about this, that you don't want to know what's going on behind
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Like there's a part of you that knows something is not quite right about that?
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I think there's a part of me that is kind of a little disturbed by it.
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Do you think that's because really biologically speaking, I mean, I studied biomedical sciences,
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you can't separate the romantic emotional part of engaging in the most intimate experience
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that you can with another human being from solely the act of getting a paycheck or making
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Well, that's the same thing because no actor, even actors don't want to watch their other
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actor, if they're married, kiss another person on camera.
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So it's normal to not want to see your other partner touching someone else, kissing someone
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else, engaging in sexual acts with somebody else.
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I mean, we both have an understanding that we're doing it for money.
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And I asked him from the day one, like, hey, can I work at the club?
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I won't do it if you don't want me to, but we need money.
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And we both came to an understanding, like, sure, you can try it out.
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And they were like, okay, well, I'll do it for a night.
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And if I don't like it, I never have to do it again.
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And I was like, are you sure you can send to this, babe?
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Things have changed really substantially since then, though, right?
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I mean, well, the strip clubs closed during COVID.
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And so someone reached out to me online on Instagram asking if I wanted to do adult film.
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And at first I was like, no way, that's just crazy.
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And I just said, are you, can we do this, babe?
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And, like, I always ask him if he's okay with it.
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And to this day, if he wants me to quit right now and go back to a regular job, I would.
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I mean, it would suck not having the money and being able to pay the bills.
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She definitely has wanted to quit many times, too.
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Now, if McDonald's paid a livable wage and I can make thousands a month, I would do it.
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When we did have that $100 in our bank account and she did this, we did have jobs at the time.
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They just were literally getting paid like $400 a week.
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And then after food, gas, insurance, you know, any other bills, we only had $100.
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And even that $100 was not going to last us the week.
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I had to ask friends for money, stay on people's couches.
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My car had, you know, engine issues, needed to get repaired.
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And some people find other alternatives to get out of it.
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And then others, this is what you had to do to get out of it.
00:38:34.800
I just have a question because, I mean, I've kind of been in similar situations like living in cars and going through hardships as well.
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Did you guys ever try to get like food stamps or anything?
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Guys, just both of you, I need you speaking closer to mine.
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I would definitely say that the money was not nearly enough from what you would get for food stamps.
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I would say it would run out after like a week or two.
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And then the other thing is the money that California tends to provide is like, I think it was like $300 a week or something, or $300 or something a month.
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I mean, the state costs thousands of dollars to live comfortably, I would say.
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A hundred percent, but just as someone who's been on food stamps before, that would mean that both of you guys are able to get it.
00:39:25.500
Well, one of us had a job because one of us had to get a job.
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Even so, we would have the same amount of money or if not less, because if I'm making $400 a week at the grocery store and he's on food stamps, that's more than both of us on food stamps with no job.
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No, it hasn't been top priority because buying a home and getting out of the car and having a nicer life, just nicer clothing.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't want to have the wedding and people to show up and then, you know, I want to have a house first.
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I don't want them to think, oh, like we're losers, we still have the car.
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Like I want it to be picture perfect before we have the actual wedding.
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So we invite people over after the wedding, the after party, you know, we have like some cheese and some wine, you know, or just...
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But I mean, the wedding for me would just be, it's like, okay, now that we've done everything that we wanted, you can quit the industry, let's go get married.
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Have you ever thought about the fact that marriage typically provides much stronger financial security and you could go to City Hall tomorrow and have a party a year and a half from now?
00:40:42.620
Yeah, wait, what is the greater financial security?
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If we're already sharing everything, our money, we live together.
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You have much better tax obligations to the federal government.
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I don't, yeah, I mean, I'm kind of libertarian.
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I mean, look, I do believe we need a government.
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I'm not, like, libertarian who thinks there's, you know, we shouldn't have a government or police or some taxes.
00:41:28.500
So to bring it back to kind of what we were talking about, your fiancé, your girlfriend, she strips, does OnlyFans.
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For example, I mean, the obvious one to me is STDs.
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We get tested all the time, and it's people wear protection.
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I think I get what you're trying to say, but nothing bad's going to happen to us.
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I never thought I would find anyone because both of us are really weird.
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It's hard for anyone to find their soulmate, and once you find it, then you're good.
00:42:32.120
Well, my response is I don't believe in a soul, and I do meditate, though, and I just let
00:42:43.800
my mind be clear of thoughts and worries and depression and things like that, so if that's
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In what ways has your industry negatively impacted you?
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Obviously, I don't like what I'm doing, but it's not that big of a deal.
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At the end of the day, he's clapping her cheeks, and you'll likely be buying her content to watch
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Stay mad, single, and jerking her to her while she's getting clapped.
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At the end of the night, she comes home to me, and I get to give her a hug and a kiss,
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and the rest of you are all paying for that, so.
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Yeah, they're just jealous because they're single behind a screen.
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On that note, have you, ever since being on the show, this is your third appearance,
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have you noticed an increase in OnlyFans subscribers?
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I did check last night, and there's tons of you that are subscribing and following her,
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so if you don't like it, then why are you giving us your money?
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Okay, so the STD thing, is there a concern there?
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No, because they do get tested for the industry, and then there is protection,
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but most of them can be done with medicine nowadays.
00:44:41.420
If she did get one of the ones that you can't take care of medicine, that would be a concern.
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I mean, there's the treatable ones, but I mean.
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The non-treatable ones would be a concern, yeah, if it did happen.
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Look, we don't pay a lot of taxes, but we still have to pay some.
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OnlyFans, you still have to sign that stuff, okay?
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And she gets, she doesn't, her agency, the management, everybody's getting a cut,
00:45:20.780
and by the time we pay the taxes, she doesn't get to keep a lot of stuff, too.
00:45:25.060
So if we paid a lot more of the taxes, we wouldn't have a lot of money.
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By the way, guys, there are 5,500 of you watching right now.
00:45:53.840
So you said that at times you want to quit, and you come home, and you hate your job.
00:45:58.260
Well, I mean, everyone has days like that at any job.
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Like, I used to come home crying because my manager was a dick, and I was making 400 bucks a week.
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And, you know, they're like, you're not wearing your uniform right.
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You know, and, like, I get less micromanagement with the adult industry.
00:46:16.020
At least I get to look cute, you know, and show up when I want and choose my own hours.
00:46:23.880
When you kiss your girl's mouth, do you usually taste a black man's cuck?
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I obviously brush my, I don't touch him until I showered and brush my teeth because hygiene, you know?
00:46:34.160
Even after you pee, you know, you don't want to touch your person.
00:46:37.180
If he eats an onion, I'm not going to kiss him right after.
00:46:39.360
If he's sick, I'll make sure he, you know, blows his nose and brushes his teeth.
00:46:45.360
Sometimes his breath stinks, and sometimes mine does, too, you know?
00:46:58.000
If your woman is a 304, then you are low-value man.
00:47:02.480
There is thousands of people watching this, and you only got 100.
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You can't expect, I mean, 1 or 2% of the people are going to sub.
00:47:20.140
Not everybody, 5,000 people are not going to sub to our only fans.
00:47:25.020
There's people who are going to like you, people who are not going to like you.
00:47:28.740
Everyone's going to like some of us, then like some of us less, you know?
00:47:34.520
But, so it seemed like from what you said, the primary reason that you got into doing
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adult content and stripping was for financial reasons.
00:47:44.880
And also, I got into dancing at the clubs because, for one, I was, I wanted something
00:47:56.700
Keely opened herself up to danger and ridicule and still insists on sharing everything she
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And you still sit there and say you want a prenup.
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And she doesn't deserve a guy so unwilling to sacrifice.
00:48:14.020
Yeah, but I mean, a prenup, too, also means I don't get to take all of her money either.
00:48:27.300
As an epic gamer, you can get in a union and make $35 an hour starting.
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If money is your issue, there are plenty of options.
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I'd never put myself in a position where my lover sells herself.
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I think a lot of us are hearing from both of you that there's some emotional wrestling
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with what your current situation is looking like right now.
00:49:06.340
You kind of want to quit, and you say you really don't like your job, but you're not
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sure when you want to retire, and it seems to be escalating every day.
00:49:12.620
You don't want to know what's happening behind the scenes.
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Do you think that there's a chance that that could ruin the opportunity to get married
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She comes back and is just like, I'm done with this job, and she has weeks where she
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And if she wants to do it, then by far she can do it.
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It's, as long as she's working and bringing in money, and I'm working and bringing in
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money, whatever job she has, she's probably going to quit in the next, you know, she's
00:49:58.540
Theoretically, what if you guys aren't married in a few years and the cycle has continued
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If she doesn't, then I'll probably confront her and say, look, it's time to quit.
00:50:08.060
I believe she can keep the OnlyFans, but she doesn't need to do the other stuff.
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As long as the OnlyFans is bringing in enough, that's honestly fine.
00:50:18.080
Because that would be just, like, stuff that's already out there, content that's already there.
00:50:26.260
It's a very passive income, I would say, while the other stuff is more active income.
00:50:38.820
Keely, if he started in the OnlyFans and started just, like, running through chicks, like, for content,
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would you have an issue with him, like, just fucking other chicks for content?
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Of course I would, because I'm already making so much money.
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So if he was making content, strictly content, no romantic, no emotional connection,
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you would have an issue with him sleeping with other women?
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Like, because I'm the one making money, and he doesn't need to touch anyone else.
00:51:09.960
I don't even want to touch anyone else, but, like...
00:51:13.100
Yeah, but he's mine, so anyone touches him, you would die.
00:51:21.620
We both decided that this is what we're going to do for money, so if he wants to have me
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And he needs to find another job that's not what I'm doing, so...
00:51:50.580
You need to start an OnlyFans, son, and start getting into the game.
00:51:55.640
Wait, but you just said that that would be a problem, though.
00:51:57.420
Okay, so I have, like, a boundary, so I was going to say...
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I'm very torn on what I'm comfortable with, because I haven't really decided yet, but
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I've tried to get him a sugar mama, because I have sugar daddies, but he hasn't pursued it
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enough, and I told him it's okay if he wants to, because, like...
00:52:16.080
She definitely has a jealous streak, where if I even talk to other girls who are just...
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I have no intention of ever dating, or I'm not flirting at all, and I'm just talking
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to them, you know, maybe they're just someone at the cashier counter, and they're literally
00:52:30.920
just taking my order for coffee, you know, and she's gotten jealous, like, how'd that
00:52:42.720
That's something she gets, and I don't get that way when she talks to other guys.
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I'm not like, I don't think she's going to try to bone a guy just because she's talking
00:52:55.020
If she should know that I'm with her, and just because I'm talking to another woman does
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not mean that I want to sleep with her, and that's how I feel, but she definitely gets
00:53:04.340
Well, it's different because I'm not worried because this is a podcast.
00:53:08.480
I don't care, but like, it's about what you say, or I think it's maybe TikTok is very toxic
00:53:13.680
because everyone's posting, my man looked at this girl, and then they're posting it
00:53:20.300
But it's okay to create adult content with other men, but he can't talk to a girl on TikTok.
00:53:28.540
The other stuff isn't for money, so it's not okay.
00:53:30.940
But you just said it wouldn't be okay if he made an OnlyFans.
00:53:34.640
He's okay if he has an OnlyFans, but he can't touch anyone else.
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Mick, I'm going to be your OnlyFans manager, okay?
00:54:04.880
You're engaged, but you don't have a date for your wedding.
00:54:07.180
And there seems to be a dichotomy here between what people are comfortable with in the relationship,
00:54:17.700
Yeah, we talk about all this stuff we're kind of talking about right now.
00:54:21.340
So I think we just haven't come to maybe an agreement on it yet, and we still have a mutual feeling.
00:54:29.300
I will quit this adult industry now if you want me to.
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But you're always like, oh, but come on, babe, we need to make money.
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So it's more you being lazy, not wanting to do stuff as much.
00:54:40.780
As much as I love you, both of us got to bring in a little bit of money.
00:54:52.740
Well, you know, girls are more jealous than guys.
00:54:54.740
I think that's just a relationship thing, though.
00:54:56.780
Do you feel your jealousy is amplified, though?
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Because as much as you say you don't care and you know that you guys are committed, there is a part of you that feels like he's going to leave for what you do?
00:55:06.600
So then where does the jealousy come from, and why is it amplified if he can't talk to people, but you're sleeping with other people?
00:55:13.700
I think jealousy, period, aside from sleeping with other people, is in all relationships.
00:55:20.080
You can't say that you've had a boyfriend or girlfriend before, and you don't get jealous when they're talking to other girls or boys.
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Like, every single relationship holds jealousy.
00:55:31.080
And I wanted to ask Mick a question, actually, but would you start or go into the adult industry?
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That's not something I would actually be probably comfortable with.
00:55:43.920
I would be okay with starting in OnlyFans, but not the adult industry aspect.
00:55:53.520
I mean, I get a little nervous with that type of stuff.
00:55:56.180
I don't feel like I could be comfortable with that situation.
00:55:59.340
Both of us are nervous just being here sometimes.
00:56:02.560
That's why I want to be like a studio musician and have a producer.
00:56:08.260
Like, even when I used to play live on stages with bands and we'd play rock and roll,
00:56:12.540
I was the guy in the background doing background vocals or background guitar.
00:56:19.920
Listen, as your manager, I think, you know, you're a handsome guy.
00:56:28.440
You kind of look like a young Burt Reynolds, kind of.
00:56:48.780
However, you would have a major issue with him doing scenes with women.
00:56:57.040
Mick, save yourself and find someone who brings the best out of as you would with that person.
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I'm the best thing he's ever going to get because I'm the best.
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I think that she does bring the best out of me.
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I think we both have our issues and we've both grown as people.
00:57:25.960
We certainly still have our issues just like in any relationship, but we work those issues out.
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We talk to each other and that's all you can ask for in life.
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And here's like my thing with it because I used to strip, right?
00:57:40.120
Like my not the ex that I currently live with, but another ex.
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So, but it was like an active addiction kind of like I was clean off my drug of choice,
00:57:55.920
So I was, it was more like doing it to make money so that I could go get high.
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But I mean, you know, whatever people aren't going to care, but sorry.
00:58:11.400
If you respect each other, you're going to hear what each other has to say and you have
00:58:16.580
And so when my ex was telling me like he's uncomfortable with like the fact that I can
00:58:23.040
go to the strip club and do this, but like he can't make an OnlyFans or whatever, we made
00:58:27.180
a compromise and we actually made an OnlyFans together and like started making content together.
00:58:34.960
If he wants to make an OnlyFans, I'm totally fine with that.
00:58:39.600
And the reason I don't want him touching anyone else but me is because I've already done that
00:58:44.000
and have been making money and I don't even want to touch anyone else but him.
00:58:50.000
And that's something that you want her to quit eventually.
00:58:52.640
I want to quit today if I could, but you know, we just need the money.
00:58:58.680
I sleep, I just look at the end of the light, at the end of the tunnel and be like, look,
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And that's not to say that my situation isn't valid, but no one's perfect.
00:59:13.080
Okay, but wait, why don't you want Mick to start an OnlyFans?
00:59:20.220
You said you would have an issue if he was doing BG content.
00:59:23.100
With anyone but me because I'm already making all the money.
00:59:28.880
Yeah, but you do content with other men, but he can't do content with other women.
00:59:37.740
Because I'm already making all the money because I'm already making all the money.
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That you have to make all the money in the relationship?
00:59:44.180
I mean, obviously a little bit because I want him to make money and pull his weight.
00:59:47.560
But I mean, I guess I just never, I don't know.
00:59:51.820
But you are refusing to let him do an OnlyFans.
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Well, obviously, yeah, because I'm already making money.
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But he's mine and I already, I'm doing, the point is he can't make an OnlyFans with content
01:00:17.680
Look, he can totally have an OnlyFans, but he can only make content by himself or with
01:00:22.300
Look, OnlyFans, you can have chefs on there, guitar people.
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I guess my question to you is, and I do want to continue moving because I want to give everybody
01:00:34.320
an opportunity to share their relationship status.
01:00:37.100
Mick, don't you think it would be more ideal to not have a girlfriend that is doing adult
01:00:44.600
content with other men to be stripping, to doing all this?
01:00:47.560
I would say it would be easier if she didn't have to do that, but I'm not going to leave
01:00:56.240
her for someone that isn't doing all that because I loved her before it.
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So what are you doing to build a sustainable strategy to get out of it?
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If he made money, I'd quit doing what I'm doing.
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If we both could find another job that wasn't in the adult entertainment, I would do it.
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Like I always say to him, look, we can go work and I can-
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It has to make more than what we are right now, which I doubt most jobs would be paying
01:01:45.800
We are planning on going to the Smokies and by the end of the summer.
01:01:50.260
Like what are you doing to train for a workforce position that's not in the adult film industry
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Well, I'm going to build out my recording studio.
01:02:02.520
I'm going to start, once we have that house, I'm going to start doing my own content.
01:02:07.840
It's going to be YouTube related and things like that.
01:02:11.840
I'm going to be having people come in and charge them to use the recording studio for
01:02:18.980
I'm going to be doing session work in Nashville with other guitarists and things like that.
01:02:25.360
She can get a job at a coffee shop or whatever if she wants to.
01:02:32.240
She does a lot of live streaming and things like that.
01:02:37.680
It's kind of fun, you know, talking to people and getting other people to stop them.
01:02:41.860
Guys, we put members only mode on just for a couple minutes here.
01:02:45.720
The chat was getting a little, it was hard for the mods and for Eric to keep up.
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We'll leave it on for about 10, 15 minutes and then we'll switch back.
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I am with a life partner for almost five years.
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I'm from New York, so sometimes I'll say like New York slang.
01:04:10.500
I'm single and my longest relationship was two, two and a half years.
01:04:27.460
We started dating in July of 2021 and he proposed in December.
01:05:13.780
How can you say you love him and also say you are the best he can get?
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Why don't you get any respectable you can get until you can fulfill your dreams so she can
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So to answer that, we're the best each other can get, but we love each other.
01:05:33.660
Like, you have to be a little bit selfish, not like, you can still respect your partner
01:05:46.220
You say he is yours and no one else can have him.
01:05:49.260
Yet you are his and willing to give yourself away to male porn stars that care nothing about
01:05:57.140
Well, everyone's going to paycheck at the end of the day.
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Do you want her to quit tonight on the whatever podcast?
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Okay, then from this point on, what are we both going to do for money?
01:06:43.980
And just so you guys know, he has access to my phone anytime.
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So, if you want to look at who I'm texting, what pictures I'm liking, go ahead.
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You're going to delete your OnlyFans or you're going to keep that shit around?
01:07:07.540
Before you guys quit, though, you got to let Mick do one scene with another chick.
01:07:17.080
Oh, he can't do a scene with a chick, but you can...
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I don't even want to touch these people, though.
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I know, but I already have so much money from what I did.
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So, the super chat, the missed super chat there.
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Actually, hide it because there's one that's about to come in.
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So, by the way, thank you for all the memberships, guys.
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So, there should be double standards for some things.
01:08:20.860
But it's, I mean, you could, that argument could be made more so in favor of if it was Mick who was doing it.
01:08:27.860
But this is what works for us, and it's not permanent.
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I'm not stopping you from doing anything you want to do.
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Well, you don't want him to do it with other girls.
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Well, obviously, duh, because I'm already making so much money from mine.
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Yes, but he would be too nervous to do it anyway.
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Instead of a two-bedroom, you could have a three-bedroom.
01:08:57.380
What's that movie with Mark Wahlberg from, like, the 70s or 80s?
01:09:06.340
You need to look yourself deep in the eyes in the mirror and just be like,
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Anyone in the chat, can you let me know what he says in that movie?
01:09:26.260
You said there's nothing romantic about the job that you have, but if you're so against him having the same job, will you admit that there is something romantic about your job?
01:09:41.560
Both of us are together, and we just want to touch each other.
01:09:44.280
It's romantic, but I'm saying it's not romantic when I'm touching other people.
01:09:56.760
I was about to say, I think most sex workers are, they don't, it's a job, right?
01:10:02.060
Like, they're not necessarily having a great time 100% of the time, but the money is very, very good.
01:10:08.500
Like, you make very good money doing it, but it's like a job.
01:10:14.620
Some of them are like, yeah, I love getting railed by 15 guys.
01:10:17.720
Other girls are like, you know, I just kind of do this for money.
01:10:20.800
So it just really depends if you're, like, willing to take that risk.
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So what then is the dollar amount that is the price of your peace and happiness?
01:10:32.380
If there's no price, then why not struggle financially to build a career path?
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Because people say you don't need money to be happy, but you do.
01:10:41.260
Well, yeah, absolutely, but you can get money to eat in a million different ways.
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Once it's over and done and we have our place, we're never going to look back and be like,
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And the way the management and customers treated me there and throwing food at me and things
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I was so stressful at that end of the three months, I quit.
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I was, at that point, I was pulling my hair out and losing sleep.
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And so stressed that I said, I would rather be homeless and starving than working at this
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But wouldn't you be, wouldn't you rather be all those things and not have your girl getting
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But, you know, a lot of, I've had dozens of odd jobs and 90% of them were awful.
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I mean, the way I was treated, the, I wouldn't.
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I think you could handle like a good physical labor job.
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I did forestry firefighting and that was actually really good.
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And I had to, I had to have a backpack on me and jump through those mountains with
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a chainsaw on my hand and I was in good shape back then, you know.
01:12:26.420
If you're donating, donating in a different currency, if you're donating in a different
01:12:32.120
currency, you need to do the conversion for it to trigger TTS.
01:12:36.840
So if it's like, if you're donating Canadian or whatever other currency, it needs, for it
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Jay Ronald, thank you for the Australian 150, man.
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Always interesting and diverse guests with insights that surprise me for better or worse.
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I don't know what time it is in Australia, but thank you, man.
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It's just, it's through Streamlabs, so the conversion has to be done.
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But if it happens again, I'll always try to read it as, oh.
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There's probably women in same shoes as me and do not have OnlyFans as their source of income.
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Yo, Mick, now that she's gone, bro, look, the table's back.
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I'm going to share all of her dirty little secrets, yeah.
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Look, listen, you need to start fucking chicks on OnlyFans.
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When she's like, oh, no, no other girls can have BDM.
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I just think you guys deserve better than it is what it is.
01:14:21.420
I know, but she doesn't, the thing is, is that I know she doesn't want to sleep with those other men.
01:14:32.580
I'm not going out trying to get with other women either.
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So, for me, it's like, it's not like, oh, I got to go do this just to get, be fair.
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Am I, like, in a toxic relationship where she's holding me?
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Which one of you wears the pants in the relationship?
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So, I feel like we both wear the pants for certain things.
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I do most everything except for make as much as she does.
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So, I would say I'm probably the pants in the relationship.
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Mick could have joined the Carpenters Union or so another trade.
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And I wouldn't mind doing it again if I was hired.
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Anybody knows, anybody in the forestry industry that wants to reach out, let me know.
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If you want to save us, then you have to hire us at something that's going to make almost as much
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I myself probably make a grand or two a month, maybe 3K on a good month from all of the instruments
01:16:45.180
I sell lots of pedals lately, too, because they take up less space.
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Would you ever consider taking care of kids or something?
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She provides, controls, and she's territorial over you.
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I thought maybe you were just lazy and pudgy, and you are that, but you're also softer than
01:17:25.720
But I mean, if you're happy, you're not the man.
01:17:30.180
What does it make you feel like most men, I would say most guys, would probably not be
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I've been heckled and given a hard time by some of my closest friends for years now, and
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a lot of them don't think I should be with her.
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But I'm okay with it, and it doesn't bother me.
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I'm sorry if it bothers you, if it would bother you.
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I said there's some level of that discomfort, and that, yes, I don't want this.
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But, you know, I don't want to be in the military.
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I respect, hey, if you do that, then more power to you.
01:18:40.640
He had a friend who was in the military, right?
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And he wasn't cut out for it, and he had PTSD just from something.
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Yeah, just for six months in the military, and he had back issues and PTSD.
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But I know other guys that were in it and did four years and are great and doing fine.
01:18:58.960
This one came in at the top of the show, Liberty.
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But thank you for the $125 donation through Streamlabs.
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By the way, guys, just a reminder, if you're just tuning in,
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instead of donating through YouTube, doing a super chat, YouTube takes 30%.
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Whereas if you donate through Streamlabs, the link for that is in the description.
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If you donate through Streamlabs, they only take three.
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So definitely I recommend if you guys would rather more of your patronage
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to actually go towards whatever instead of just throwing it towards YouTube, think about that.
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Liberty, thank you for doing it through Streamlabs.
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I am a husband and father of two, raising a daughter in what?
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How could I be a better father by shaping her into a more whole woman for a worthy man
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My whole issue, I could go into it, but my whole issue with this like high value men thing
01:20:17.680
People who designate themselves as high value men are not high value men to me because I
01:20:23.680
have a different set of morals and standards and values, right?
01:20:27.240
So, and if it's because they're making a lot of money, I don't date men who are rich.
01:20:36.460
I would say just be present in your daughter's life and spend time with her and just be honest.
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If she has questions, just tell her like it is.
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You know, some of the ugly truths are out there, but they're really important to know.
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And when you have that coming from your father, it makes the greatest difference.
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Yeah, I think that's what we're going to do when we have kids one day too, right, babe?
01:21:00.720
Well, public schools are indoctrination factors.
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I definitely want to homeschool our children because I do not agree with the way public
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Also, my childhood was the worst time of my life as an adult.
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How worthless do you feel that your girl has to sell her body to feed you?
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If I pulled every man in America, I bet you are one of one.
01:21:51.880
Well, I would say that I know quite a few other people that are in a very similar situation,
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and most of the people, the girls that she's met in the industry, have boyfriends, whether
01:22:05.500
But she does know, I mean, it's more than you think if you're jerking off to a porn star.
01:22:12.020
She likely has a husband or a boyfriend at home.
01:22:20.300
Also, there's been, like, ex-male porn stars on this show.
01:22:23.780
I think I watched it in episode, a couple episodes back, where he had, like, three girlfriends
01:22:34.180
And the woman has to sit at home and be submissive.
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But when a woman's doing it, she doesn't gain the same respect.
01:22:40.920
And I kind of understand where it's coming from, right?
01:22:43.060
Because biologically, I understand what you're saying, that, like, women aren't naturally designed
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Like, I kind of agree with you there, but it doesn't, people don't really see it as
01:22:55.480
I think we've evolved to, like, it's about mutual respect.
01:22:59.380
Like, for example, if there's a dual-income household, why do I owe you submission if we're
01:23:06.260
Why do I owe you submission if we're splitting chores?
01:23:14.760
I mean, I just, that's, like, the general opinion that I thought, like, the red pill community
01:23:22.920
Like, oh, when you're a kid in high school and you're a guy, for example, you sleep around
01:23:35.060
But at the same time, it's like, I, listen, I'm a sex addict.
01:23:39.440
I think, I think sex addiction can definitely be a byproduct of this, like, hookup culture
01:23:48.780
It was, sex addiction for me was probably the only thing I got addicted to where nobody
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could say shit to me because I would hide behind feminism.
01:23:57.040
And I'd be like, it's women empowerment, y'all.
01:24:01.040
And nobody said, I mean, people still call me a whore, obviously.
01:24:05.180
But, generally, like, nobody really felt like they could call me out on it.
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Noah Wolf is super chatted 169 New Zealand dollars and 99 cents.
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By the way, thank you for the New Zealand 169, man.
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Stifler asked the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
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Well, if you just had to throw a number out there.
01:25:54.040
Well, I would say seven, but sometimes ten, because I feel like, I don't know, it's you.
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I think, like, six, but, like, a seven on a good day.
01:26:07.820
Yeah, I rate myself a six, because I have crooked teeth.
01:26:17.080
A solid 8.3, because there's always room to be better.
01:26:29.500
Mick, they want, he wants you to rate all the girls, so let's just try to run through
01:26:33.760
Okay, well, first off, I think all of you are lovely, and I don't want to do this, so
01:26:39.020
just so you know, but he's wanting it, and I'm forced, my hands are tied.
01:26:43.580
I would say all of you are pretty accurate on what you gave yourself, or what I would
01:26:49.120
I would say, I would say you could give yourself at least a six or seven.
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You know, like, I would say, you know, a nine or a ten, you know, a six or a seven.
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I would say, you know, like, eight and a half, yeah, eight and a half, like you said.
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I think he's a ten when it comes to men, especially because...
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He has a good beard, and he dresses nice, and he carries himself well.
01:27:39.580
Okay, so I'm actually fascinated by the fact, though, that everybody at this table thinks
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I don't believe in equality between men and women.
01:27:59.240
So, like, there's place for women in the workplace, right?
01:28:04.820
Can you explain the difference to us, what you think the difference between equality and
01:28:08.720
Yeah, so equality is, like, the same treatment given to, like, both sexes, right?
01:28:12.500
So that doesn't make any sense, because are men and women the same?
01:28:16.420
So equity is giving the same opportunities to equate to each person's ability.
01:28:25.480
Generally speaking, equity is the end result is always the same.
01:28:29.540
So typically, countries that implement economic equity, for example, will bring the ceiling
01:28:35.240
down to make sure everybody's at the same ending point.
01:28:38.260
Whereas equality is giving everyone the same opportunity, and what you do with it, you
01:28:43.980
Well, I, yeah, um, but yeah, like, general equity, equality, like, somewhere, like, I
01:28:51.580
think, I think feminism, as far as that's concerned, like, that makes sense in certain
01:28:57.840
So, like, if, if women are getting paid less in the caregiving industry, because it's a,
01:29:03.140
caregiving is a predominantly woman field, right?
01:29:07.120
No amorphous super chatted 169 New Zealand dollars and 99 cents.
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Where, where do you have an issue with modern feminism, then?
01:29:32.440
I think feminism, like, hot take, but I think feminism definitely.
01:29:48.500
His pattern of not making money, the entire relationship will not change and only continue
01:30:02.800
Also, really quick, I did see while I was away from my chair that one of the TTSs sort
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You can apply, get a forestry fire job starting at 42K.
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Sorry that it didn't trigger the first time it came through.
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I'm not sure what happened there, but hey, had to say it.
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Thank you for the hundred dollar donation, man.
01:31:01.880
My ex has really, really bad mental health problems, and I think I said something on my
01:31:09.420
It was really stupid and generalizing, but don't ever date a man under 25.
01:31:15.480
And he's like, you have to understand that when you make these generalizations about
01:31:18.900
men and how men do this and men do that, it makes me want to unalive myself.
01:31:24.700
And the male suicide rate is freaking skyrocketing.
01:31:29.040
I even want to make another episode about men's mental health.
01:31:31.920
And I know most of this chat thinks I'm a hoe and they don't agree with me or whatever.
01:31:36.920
But regardless, I care about you guys and I want you here and alive, you know, so I just
01:31:44.800
think that males unalive rates are like not talked about enough as well.
01:31:49.440
And what's really crazy is the CDC just put out a study a few weeks ago.
01:31:52.540
We can argue about the CDC later in the chat, just forewarning for that.
01:31:56.880
But teenage girls right now, more than ever before, are starting to struggle more than
01:32:02.200
teenage boys in modern America, particularly with mental health.
01:32:05.580
So teenage girls are starting to see higher levels of anxiety, higher levels of depression.
01:32:09.540
And in 2021, one in three teenage girls seriously considered taking their own, deleting themselves,
01:32:16.160
unaliving themselves because of the culture that we've created right now, which is so ironic,
01:32:21.420
Like, wouldn't you think that this culture that's all about women doing whatever they want and
01:32:26.320
women having any pathway to success that they want to embrace?
01:32:31.360
And at the same time, the next generation of women, Gen Z women, are so unbelievably miserable
01:32:37.200
and unhappy and discontent in today's society that they don't even want to be here.
01:32:43.060
And I will say, I'll say this and then I'll be quiet because I know I talk a lot.
01:32:46.180
But I, like in active addiction, I tried to unalive myself five times and that wasn't even
01:32:54.460
That was because I was convinced that no man was ever going to take me seriously or love
01:33:03.020
And I said, some part of me is still convinced of that because thought it was going to work
01:33:13.540
Well, so you said that you think men might not want to take you seriously because.
01:33:21.880
Because you guys say that a lot on the show and so I was like, oh, I guess that's what
01:33:25.540
Well, I mean, that's kind of where I was going with it because you, you said that your concern
01:33:44.200
Meanwhile, she's got DeMarcus making a human skin sock out of her innards.
01:33:49.360
Inside my boxing gym, I'll get you on the right track in under five rounds.
01:33:54.300
After that, Raggedy Ann will do exactly as you demand.
01:34:04.180
I mean, I was Raggedy Ann in Halloween one year.
01:34:08.320
I mean, I wouldn't mind going to your gym and sprawling a little bit.
01:34:14.100
I started recently taking boxing lessons and everything.
01:34:28.680
As long as we have a, you know, a referee, you know.
01:34:45.900
By the way, if somebody donates, I'm trying to think how much in New Zealand dollars.
01:35:08.840
I feel like there's such a pressure to be perfect.
01:35:10.860
And I feel like everyone should view themselves as a 10 because life is short.
01:35:27.140
The reason I didn't say I was a 10 is because people will roast you in the chat if you call
01:35:30.740
yourself a 10, no matter how good looking you are.
01:35:36.800
All of us are 10s and we all deserve to be happy.
01:35:43.600
Wait, so you said confidence can get you anywhere.
01:35:54.380
Like confidence in general, just like, I don't know.
01:35:58.740
If you're confident about going into a job interview, you're going to get it.
01:36:02.640
If you're confident about being pretty, you're pretty.
01:36:05.000
Well, I mean, when it comes to your physical attractiveness, there is an outside component
01:36:14.860
So how people view you, you know, you could, for example, like you said, just be confident.
01:36:21.360
Well, I would love to, you know, get paid tens of millions of dollars to go play in the NBA.
01:36:27.920
I don't, no matter how confident I am, that's just not gonna.
01:36:31.620
I would say I'm talking more personality confidence wise than physical appearance.
01:36:50.140
Like, what if someone without legs wants to, you know.
01:36:57.120
Like personality wise, like, and in your brain, if you're confident about something, like if
01:37:02.040
you're confident about getting a good grade on a test, most likely you, it's kind of like.
01:37:09.980
Like after you study, if you're confident about getting a good grade on a test, you're
01:37:13.760
going to most likely get a good grade on that test.
01:37:20.640
It's better than not having any confidence at all.
01:37:22.340
Well, I'm not sure if it would have, if it would have any impact on your actual test
01:37:31.500
If your confidence, I don't suspect, let's say you take two people that one is a wreck
01:37:38.900
I can't imagine it would have much of an impact on your test score if neither of them have studied
01:37:47.660
I'm hot and you're not and you're just a hater and we're all hot.
01:37:52.680
He's literally hating on all of us for no reason.
01:37:56.980
I think everybody's beautiful, but like it is a little different when you are.
01:38:05.300
I think everybody is beautiful in their own way, but then when we're all together, there
01:38:19.820
We know that there's, listen, I understand if I was an exceptionally attractive human
01:38:24.660
being, I would be getting modeling contracts with Vogue.
01:38:30.440
But like, I don't think I'm exceptionally attractive.
01:38:34.700
I think humans, like, judgment is there for a reason.
01:38:42.620
Yeah, judge people on their character, not how they can't control how they look.
01:38:45.640
But again, judgment is a human characteristic and we do it all the time.
01:38:51.200
We should try not to judge people on the way they look.
01:38:53.900
I'm just saying though, it's a natural instinct and we all do it.
01:39:00.120
Like, I would say for you guys as a couple, I bet you guys get judged 24 seven.
01:39:07.360
When I met her, I definitely found her to be attractive, but I still was looking for how
01:39:13.380
do we connect as human beings and do we like each other's, you know, the way we're reacting
01:39:19.360
and when we have long conversations late at night, do we get any meaning out of that?
01:39:24.420
I think men still want that connection with women.
01:39:27.520
There are certainly men out there that just want a hot girl and that's it.
01:39:31.040
Yeah, but the physical attractiveness had to come first.
01:39:34.220
Well, of course, but it's everything else that keeps the people together.
01:39:41.060
She's good looking, but she's a horrible person.
01:39:47.500
Just saying though, like judgment is there for a reason.
01:39:54.980
To go to your point, not everybody is beautiful.
01:40:00.420
Okay, well, 100%, but I do think that it's important for everyone to like,
01:40:05.560
Because if you're like staring at yourself in the mirror and you're like checking yourself
01:40:08.100
out before you go into the sea of 100 attractive people, right?
01:40:11.960
You have to love yourself at some point and be like, yeah, I'm kind of cute, you know?
01:40:15.300
Yeah, what's the point of living if you're like, oh, I hate myself.
01:40:26.240
I like when Brittany, you know, you guys know Brittany Renner, right?
01:40:29.440
Like the infamous, you know, she's like incel nightmare, but she, they like hate Brittany
01:40:37.100
But she said something that I really loved and she said, everybody is special to somebody.
01:40:46.260
Or you could have a pessimistic attitude at it and say, nobody's beautiful and nobody's
01:40:56.420
Shout out to the whatever podcast for everything.
01:41:01.940
Having a successful career, do you believe to let your man lead the household?
01:41:10.640
Those are three very distinctly different questions.
01:41:17.200
I plan on continuing that successful career after we get married.
01:41:20.680
And as a parent, I grew up with two parents who worked in the home and my mom actually
01:41:24.920
traveled for her job the vast majority of my childhood, like five days a week for seven
01:41:29.020
So I was very used to both parents taking on an active role in that capacity, but I am
01:41:35.180
extremely old fashioned in that I do believe that my husband will be the leader of our family
01:41:40.760
in many different capacities, largely spiritually and leading us in faith, which I believe to
01:41:44.840
be the foundation of a marriage, of building a family, and of a relationship that lasts,
01:41:50.020
which is incredibly rare these days and is something I feel incredibly lucky to be starting
01:41:56.680
Second question, would I ever forgive him if he were to cheat?
01:42:00.540
Forgiveness and the health of that relationship are two different things.
01:42:07.200
I have been cheated on by many significant others before I met my fiance, and ultimately
01:42:12.120
that always led to the demise of the relationship, and it just couldn't survive beyond that.
01:42:18.040
I want undying commitment from the person that I am dating and that I'm going to spend the
01:42:23.460
I give that to them, and I expect that in return.
01:42:25.960
And I think our society's playing with that boundary is ultimately leading to a complete
01:42:33.820
It's why you're seeing the vast majority of Gen Z unhappy in their relationships.
01:42:37.660
It's why we have the lowest marriage rate since America began recording marriage rates
01:42:41.360
in the 1860s, and we have the highest divorce rate as well.
01:42:48.540
If we do get married, we end up getting divorced.
01:42:50.640
And as a result, Pew Research has found that our generation is just taking ourselves off the
01:42:59.320
Are you talking about that recently released data from Pew?
01:43:02.240
I mean, there's a whole bunch of data points, but the big one that I took from it was,
01:43:07.400
I think it was comparing men and women between the ages of 18 to 29, and they found that women
01:43:14.640
between the ages of 18 to 29 were twice as likely to be in relationships than men in
01:43:22.400
So the first one that I referenced, the majority of Gen Zers, if you are in a relationship,
01:43:28.120
I think the figure from Pew, if I'm remembering correctly, and obviously I don't have it right
01:43:31.140
in front of me, was about 73% of us who are dating are unhappy, really unhappy in our
01:43:36.620
Those of us who aren't dating are intentionally not putting ourselves on the dating market
01:43:43.020
But the study that you're referencing was fascinating.
01:43:45.180
That came out a few weeks ago, that women our age are more likely to be in relationships
01:43:49.880
than men, which makes you think, who is everybody dating?
01:43:54.520
At the end of the day, if the women aren't dating the men, then how did that statistic
01:43:59.940
What crosses my mind is, I think there's perhaps two explanations.
01:44:03.000
One, women in that age group are dating older men, 30 to 40.
01:44:08.140
But I think the bigger thing is, is that women are, maybe think they're in a relationship
01:44:13.140
or are in a relationship, and they're sharing higher quality guys.
01:44:17.800
So, and there's this concept called hypergamy, women are all chasing after the top tier of
01:44:23.640
So a lot of women are happier sharing a top tier guy than settling for a guy that's actually
01:44:38.780
I like, I think I made like a TikTok the other day that was like, get yourself an average man,
01:44:42.780
ladies or something like that, because like the majority of your audience, I would say
01:44:51.760
Well, yeah, but it's very, it's like what, less than 5% of men are making like a hundred
01:44:56.880
grand a year in America or something like that.
01:45:04.320
Like, so I think we need to normalize the fact that like, if you get in a relationship,
01:45:09.380
he doesn't have to be making the same or more money than you, right?
01:45:14.060
Because that's true equality and like equity or whatever, however you want to phrase it.
01:45:22.720
And so whether that's means that you're a stay at home mom and he's out there working full
01:45:26.980
time or vice versa, it's about like everybody doing their part, whether you're man or woman,
01:45:34.840
But here's the problem is that you basically, what you have going on in the dating marketplace
01:45:42.020
They, and I'm, I'm encouraging them to, that's what my podcast is about.
01:45:46.340
Why wouldn't average women just decide to stop being average ourselves and raise the standards
01:45:51.020
for what we expect from the men that we're dating?
01:45:54.700
Rather than settling for an average guy, why wouldn't we just demand more from the men
01:46:00.440
Because it's very hard for a certain, some people to take.
01:46:08.340
If you set a boundary for a man, either intentionally or unintentionally, he will honor that boundary.
01:46:13.820
For example, if you let him continue getting away with cheating on you and being half in,
01:46:17.500
half out of a relationship, being a situationship for months upon months upon months without
01:46:21.900
ever committing to you or wanting to put a label on things.
01:46:24.600
That's a boundary that you've set saying it's acceptable for me to be treated that way.
01:46:28.820
Why wouldn't we as women, actual feminism, I suppose, to be theoretical about this, demand
01:46:35.720
more from the men that we're spending our lives with?
01:46:40.120
And I think, like, here's where the problem lies, right?
01:46:46.560
Because if they, that girl that's demanding respect and demanding boundaries, now she becomes
01:46:53.340
This is, again, I'm not even, I'm speaking anecdotally, but I've heard this from men
01:46:58.320
Now she's becomes high maintenance, so they're leaving and they're going to find somebody
01:47:10.620
What if we as women just said, you know, we're not okay with that anymore.
01:47:15.820
Wouldn't that force men to rise to that occasion?
01:47:19.180
And similarly, men who might be listening to this, you should be going after women who
01:47:24.740
expect those boundaries because a rising tide lifts all ships and that's going to improve.
01:47:28.620
Well, the genie, the genie is out of the bottle.
01:47:30.540
I mean, I think we can say in an ideal world, wouldn't it be fantastic if we did away with
01:47:36.100
And I think that is desirable, but I don't think, you know, I think the culture war has
01:47:42.480
honestly been lost to decadence and degeneracy.
01:47:52.140
I mean, I think the culture war has been lost because you have academia, you have journalism,
01:47:58.600
you have the mainstream media, which is all basically very, and without really going so
01:48:06.660
You know, every single university in the country has a feminist studies, a gender studies, a woman
01:48:12.460
I mean, well, now this is getting into men's rights.
01:48:14.500
There's no equivalent men's studies or men's rights things in education.
01:48:21.440
We're two blocks away from UCSB, University of California, Santa Barbara.
01:48:25.740
It's the frequently ranked number one party school in the U.S., major hookup culture here.
01:48:31.280
And I would say across most universities and colleges, there is a major hookup culture.
01:48:36.600
And then beyond college, there's a major hookup culture where it's just casual sex, situationships,
01:48:43.160
I don't think, I really think it's going to be a challenge to walk that back.
01:48:48.840
Okay, so how about instead of walking it back, we as a generation and as a society acknowledge
01:48:56.040
That we've never struggled more as a society from a cultural perspective than we are right
01:49:00.840
now, despite living in arguably the most progressive and advanced society ever, we're miserable.
01:49:06.520
So much so that a third of us as women in our teenage years and a significantly higher
01:49:12.940
portion of men in their young adult years say we don't even want to be here at all.
01:49:16.840
So maybe rather than walking back, we choose a new path forward.
01:49:22.840
And you consider yourself pretty conservative, right?
01:49:27.760
I mean, one thing that occurred to me is, I mean, social media and dating apps, I think
01:49:34.560
that these are majorly at the forefront of hookup culture, all this stuff.
01:49:41.700
So government intervention, like how do you unwind the damage that social media and dating
01:49:54.520
And this is the really hard reality of where we go from here.
01:50:00.340
And I cannot tell you how often every day I hear Gen Z is beyond all hope.
01:50:09.180
When in reality, somebody else built this world that we have grown up in and have really
01:50:13.360
struggled to come into adulthood in and now has been dropped in our laps and we have no
01:50:18.900
Technology is a quintessential experience of what our day-to-day life is like, what reality
01:50:24.340
It involves our school, our jobs, our dating relationships.
01:50:29.740
We've had a really long conversation about that on this podcast.
01:50:34.520
I think we as a society would have to come to a cultural conversation point and change minds
01:50:40.200
and culture from the inside out rather than regulatory measures to do that by saying, this is not
01:50:48.160
I sound crazy that I'm like one of the only people in my own life that has never downloaded
01:50:56.240
I don't seek out opportunities to watch adult content.
01:50:59.480
I don't surround myself with opportunities to do that because I've set a different standard
01:51:03.160
for my life and encourage the other people in my life to do that as well.
01:51:06.020
Imagine if we all banded together, regardless of politics, where everybody is seeking to
01:51:10.460
divide us on this issue, and start today by saying, this is not working.
01:51:17.440
Clearly, our dating life is a great place to start that needs more help than almost any
01:51:23.820
What can we do differently, returning to traditional values but in a new way, that would take us to
01:51:34.340
I mean, you have basically the destruction of the nuclear family.
01:51:43.580
It's not gone, but I mean, isn't it the majority of people are being raised in single mother
01:51:51.500
The majority of Americans say it's acceptable for people to hear.
01:51:53.780
Well, that and the study of single mother households.
01:51:57.960
I mean, you're like 75% or something like that more likely to drop out of high school,
01:52:03.080
like, you know, more percentage like to go or get arrested, like all that kind of stuff.
01:52:06.960
Like, single mother households are like not good for kids.
01:52:11.080
I understand there's circumstances where some men leave, and there's nothing you can do
01:52:16.100
about it, but that's the thing, like, that's why I'm divided on that issue, because if we
01:52:23.780
make this general statement, like, you know, keep the nuclear family together, but if he
01:52:30.720
And then you could say, like, well, she picked a bad guy, but.
01:52:33.440
Well, there are ideal and unideal circumstances.
01:52:36.120
But I guess just more generally, not pigeonholing ourselves in the single parent household
01:52:40.120
conversation, I'm curious what all of you would say, do you think that our generation
01:52:48.520
Do you think that this progressive society that we've spent so many decades trying to
01:52:55.520
I don't think any, like, previous generations were either happy.
01:53:01.420
Like, obviously, Gen Z's, like, hookup culture, blah, blah, blah, they're so blindsided by that,
01:53:07.060
but it's because it's just, like, occupying them, like, living in a college town, living
01:53:11.480
here in Isla Vista, I go out, I see people have meaningless hookups, all this stuff, but
01:53:17.140
it, to them, it just, like, that's what college to them is about, and that is kind of, like,
01:53:21.360
ingrained into their minds from previous generations of people, too.
01:53:29.120
Yeah, I want to have faith that we can, like, do a drastic turnaround, but I don't think
01:53:33.840
It's, uh, the internet in itself, there's so much privacy of what somebody could do on
01:53:37.560
their phone anyway that, like, I think we're too far gone, honestly.
01:53:41.620
I also genuinely believe that people don't care anymore.
01:53:46.120
Yeah, well, one, I think one big issue is, so let's talk a little bit about divorce, too.
01:53:51.320
So there, I think there's really two solutions to the divorce issue is either the, okay, so
01:53:58.800
men are disincentivized to get married because of the financial risks that are involved, and,
01:54:04.260
you know, men are waking up to the fact that 50% of marriages and the divorce, 80% of marriages
01:54:09.480
are initiated, or sorry, excuse me, 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
01:54:14.600
So one of two things, or both things, have to happen.
01:54:17.140
Either we, as a society, we need to re-stigmatize getting divorced, which right now, there is
01:54:27.880
There's no longer any social repercussions to getting divorced.
01:54:33.080
So the only thing that can happen is we need to change the marriage laws to re-incentivize
01:54:39.860
So there needs to, there can no longer be, and that might come to the detriment of some
01:54:46.280
women because a woman who does fully sacrifice her career to raise a family, there is to some
01:54:53.880
degree a legitimate argument to be made to continue supporting her in the event of a divorce.
01:54:58.700
However, I mean, I don't want to get too far down that.
01:55:03.580
There are definitely arguments for child support because it's for the benefit of the child.
01:55:07.080
However, the way it's currently is women are incentivized to get divorced because there's
01:55:14.120
So you never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
01:55:18.480
And if the male's a breadwinner, the woman's not, and there's a dispute in the relationship,
01:55:23.300
it can be very tempting to be like, well, if I divorce him, I get this much money and I
01:55:28.600
So I think that probably the marriage laws have to be rewritten.
01:55:36.980
I was going to say, so the law doesn't specifically say, um, you know, women get all the money
01:55:43.960
It says whoever is making the most income is getting alimony.
01:55:50.760
If the woman's the breadwinner, then, and she gets divorced, if she gets divorced, then she
01:55:57.600
However, the stats also further show, I think it's like 97, it's either 90 or 97% of alimony
01:56:14.960
Do you think making $1 million a month can get me almost any girl in America?
01:56:19.940
Dubai oil slash Prince, by the way, you're a oil geek Prince, by the way.
01:56:46.060
Uh, yeah, you need more than just money in the U.S.
01:56:48.920
For, to, you need a, bro, you need an entire package in the U.S., I think.
01:56:53.500
So to bring it back, we were talking about marriage.
01:56:59.900
Um, oh, yeah, 97, I think 90%, 97% of alimony payments go from men to women.
01:57:06.420
So, and, but in addition to that, even if, even if the, whether it's the man's the breadwinner,
01:57:12.320
the woman's the breadwinner, there's a bias in the court system against men.
01:57:15.740
So, I mean, I, I don't know if they've done studies on this, but I'd be curious to say
01:57:20.880
if, even in situations where the woman's the breadwinner, if there's a little more leniency,
01:57:27.860
I'm not entirely sure on all those details, but there's 100% of bias in family court systems
01:57:32.720
when it comes to child custody and when it comes to alimony.
01:57:35.100
Well, I think it depends on where you live, right?
01:57:37.760
Like, if you're living in a predominantly conservative area in America, like Mississippi,
01:57:43.060
or, like, places where, um, I'll just say women's reproductive rights aren't legal,
01:57:54.060
Honestly, in, in some ways, this is, like, kind of a little advanced take on this.
01:57:59.220
Because feminism and conservative, uh, conservatives have a few things in common.
01:58:06.740
Like, there, there are, it's, it's a different, I'm not sure exactly how to articulate this,
01:58:15.720
What, whatever state you're in, there's a bias against men in the court system.
01:58:21.400
It's worse than liberal, uh, liberal states, but there is a bias against men in the court system.
01:58:27.580
Like, I grew up with a single dad for a little bit, right?
01:58:30.100
My mom was, like, she, she had her own issues, and so my, I had a very strong relationship with my dad.
01:58:43.180
So, he got screwed over by the court system plenty of times.
01:58:46.960
Uh, he tried to file a no-contact order against her, all this kind of stuff.
01:58:58.000
I don't agree with any extremes for anything, but in that scenario, I'd rather have...
01:59:11.120
As a high-value man myself, I do not want a woman who has slept around.
01:59:22.480
Your past may be in the past, but that past will tell your future partner what you are capable of.
01:59:29.840
Yeah, I think there's a double, double up here, so...
01:59:33.860
Speedy, thank you so much for the, uh, hundred dollars...
01:59:43.700
I'm successful, have a house, honestly speaking, could work on myself a little bit.
01:59:50.100
Also, I won't get married without a prenuptial agreement.
01:59:58.240
Oh, also, as far as the prenups, just, I mean, they're not bulletproof.
02:00:05.960
Yeah, I was gonna say, just really quick to that, if my past predicted my future, I, why wouldn't I relapse?
02:00:17.720
My ex also sold drugs in his past, but do I, does that make him, like, a bad person today?
02:00:27.700
Are you, are you referencing the fact that you have a high body count?
02:00:33.260
Well, people, people can change, but because of your high body count and your previous sexual addiction,
02:00:37.640
that might be a reason or reasons why a man might want to disqualify you or preclude you,
02:00:48.880
But if you're gonna use my past against me and say that, you know, like, I can no longer emotionally connect with a man because I've done this, this, and this with however many people, that's just not true.
02:00:59.380
I feel like, when I look at a man that I'm in love with, to this day, I still feel, I, I just, personal experience, I just don't feel that way.
02:01:06.180
But, but, I, the thing is, is that, I mean, sure, that could be the case, but, I mean, they've done, there's studies on this, CDC did the study on this.
02:01:14.680
I mean, the more premarital sexual partners you've had, the greater likelihood of infidelity, the greater likelihood of reporting relationship dissatisfaction, the greater likelihood of divorce, greater likelihood of STD, greater likelihood of, let's see, what else?
02:01:29.340
Because, um, there's, there, you have a more difficult time pair bonding, so.
02:01:34.720
Right, so, but did they do that study with women that were consistently sleeping with multiple and multiple men?
02:01:39.760
Or did they do that study with women that, like, slept with, like, 50 dudes, like, one year, and then they held off for, like, two years straight?
02:01:46.620
Because I feel like the longer, as time goes on, my body's kind of, like, reset itself, it's like I'm getting sober again, you know what I mean?
02:01:52.900
I'm finally seeing with, like, a, a clearer head and not having to sexualize everybody all the time.
02:01:57.180
Because I sexualize women just as much as I did men.
02:01:59.900
Like, it was always a competition thing, right?
02:02:05.920
Well, I don't know if this is, and this just occurred to me, so I don't know if it's, if it's a perfect analogy, but you mentioned, well, what if, you know, how soon after the promiscuity, so to speak, did they do the study?
02:02:18.980
I, I'm not sure on that, but I, this might not be an apt analogy.
02:02:28.420
So, if someone's just constantly smoking every single day, and then you do a study on their lungs or something, this might be, this might not even make sense.
02:02:36.400
You do a study on their lungs, and they just smoked a pack yesterday, you know, maybe there's going to be something there.
02:02:40.900
But then if they cease smoking, say, for two years, I think there is some degree of regeneration that your lungs can undertake.
02:02:50.520
There is some permanent damage there that's not going to be undone.
02:02:53.040
Yeah, and I'm just, listen, again, I'm not looking for a high-value man, you know what I mean?
02:02:57.760
I'm typically, I would probably find somebody within my league, like, somebody who's in recovery, somebody who knows how, even then, like, some people still can't understand sex addiction.
02:03:06.140
They don't even think it's a real thing, but, like, somebody who's in that field.
02:03:09.700
So, I think generally, in life, people date within their leagues.
02:03:13.080
I don't think men date down or anything like that, but.
02:03:18.860
I don't think they, well, why are, like, models marrying with athletes?
02:03:22.900
And, like, why are celebrities marrying celebrities?
02:03:27.040
Or models marrying presidents, or you could say, you know?
02:03:30.440
People date generally within their social class or league.
02:03:34.120
Well, I mean, there's, generally speaking, I say men date across and down socioeconomic hierarchies.
02:03:40.360
Women date across and up socioeconomic hierarchies.
02:03:50.600
Yeah, men will sleep down for sure, but I don't know.
02:04:00.540
It's way harder for men to get women than the reverse.
02:04:04.180
I've, like, flirted with guys that I know are out of my league, and they don't want anything
02:04:11.020
Well, it's not a guarantee that all men are going to, but I would say, generally speaking,
02:04:16.820
Oh, are you talking about social class or attractiveness?
02:04:21.600
Men will definitely, okay, men definitely date down social class.
02:04:27.060
A man who's a doctor, a man who's attorney will date a barista.
02:04:29.740
A female attorney, a female doctor, she's probably not looking a barista's way.
02:04:39.800
Attractiveness, that, that's a bit, I would, I'd say men still date down on that realm, but
02:04:51.660
I think they'll screw what, you know how many, I've had, like, Instagram male models drive
02:04:56.340
all the way up from LA to, like, my house to come get it on with me.
02:05:05.740
A lot of men will sleep points down, you know, if you think of their equivalent attractiveness
02:05:12.900
level, yeah, they'll, they'll sleep down for sure, but you're, you're right that in terms
02:05:22.320
No, so yes, you're right, like, but I would say, but here's the thing, though, is women
02:05:27.620
don't sleep down looks either, generally speaking.
02:05:31.820
For, for, I would say, and look, there, obviously there's outliers, some, some chick might be drunk
02:05:37.720
Well, she will if, if she's into the guy, right?
02:05:40.160
Like, if she has an, okay, but yeah, so, so a guy can make up for it in other ways through
02:05:46.660
So if charismatic, men can make up for their bad looks in other ways, whereas I think women,
02:05:52.660
you know, even if you've got a great personality, it's not gonna shift, shift that much in terms
02:05:57.660
of the kind of sexual pull that, or relationship pull that you can get from men.
02:06:01.900
However, for a woman to sleep with a guy, he needs to be at least attractive enough for
02:06:08.660
her to consider being in a relationship with him.
02:06:11.180
And when I say attractive, at least attractive enough, physically attractive enough.
02:06:18.240
He has to at least be physically attractive enough for her to consider being in a relationship
02:06:24.660
Men will sleep with women in terms of their physical appearance that they would never consider
02:06:30.580
Right, but you said that men date down as far as women's appearance, and I said that.
02:06:34.800
They still do, because some men, yeah, because some men, like, yeah, men, men don't have a
02:06:43.360
So women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
02:06:48.960
Well, a lot of guys in this space say women control access to sex, men control access to
02:06:55.720
Only the top tier men control access to relationships.
02:06:58.120
Women still have the power in both of those, because most men, like, a lot of men really
02:07:03.600
struggle to get women, whether that's even to sleep with, or, by the way, the computer's
02:07:08.640
going to go black, don't worry about it, whether that's to sleep with or to get a relationship
02:07:14.180
But at the same time, like, sorry, I lost my train of thought.
02:07:26.860
Like, speaking for all of us, like, for example, like, you're not going to walk up to a not that
02:07:38.180
I mean, but, like, no, I mean, well, like, relationship-wise, okay, hookup-wise, maybe,
02:07:47.180
yeah, but relationship-wise, you're not going to, like, be at a bar and walk up to an ugly
02:07:53.880
You're going to walk up to the prettiest girl that you see in the bar going for girls, too.
02:07:57.380
You're going to walk up to the most attractive guy you see in the bar.
02:08:00.060
Like, everything, first, initially, I believe, is based off appearance.
02:08:06.260
Like, when you say guys go up to the most attractive girl, I actually think it's kind
02:08:10.380
of more like the average, maybe, like, above-average girls that actually get the most attention
02:08:14.460
because most guys see, like, the really, really, really hot girl, and some guys actually might
02:08:21.800
So, they're actually the girls who are, like, sevens and sixes and, like, bro, those are
02:08:25.300
the girls that are putting up numbers for sure.
02:08:28.120
Well, I guess just, like, what's attractive to you, like, as a person.
02:08:34.660
And, actually, I think women can make up for it, their looks in some ways, and that's by
02:08:43.360
Like, if a girl, like, can bring you peace, I think most men would sacrifice on the looks
02:08:49.340
front if she brings you peace, she's feminine, she's submissive.
02:08:56.600
I think you ask most men, would you rather have, like, a chick who's a nine, who's a
02:09:00.460
smoke show, who's an absolute babe, but she's a fucking bitch and just, you know...
02:09:05.600
Just, like, masculine and uncooperative and all this stuff, and promiscuous.
02:09:26.440
If you're a virgin, or you have a low body count, men will...
02:09:30.080
That can bump you up in terms of your attractiveness to a guy.
02:09:39.980
I mean, it's better than having a high body count, for sure.
02:09:44.260
Well, I think some women do have that position.
02:09:46.700
Like, some women obviously don't want a guy who's promiscuous.
02:09:51.660
I think this is a bit more of a tame panel, but a lot of women will say,
02:09:54.940
I don't care about body count, body count doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah.
02:09:59.720
And because men and women kind of value different things,
02:10:02.440
I do think it's 100% something that some women do care about.
02:10:06.000
However, I think it comes down to experience and women value experience.
02:10:12.860
I know this is not specifically her episode slash podcast,
02:10:16.500
but she gives a lot of points, even though I might not agree with them all.
02:10:22.620
I haven't even spoken for the last 20 minutes, so...
02:10:29.820
Because she was talking, and we can't have two microphones at a time.
02:10:33.520
Some people talk too much, and I just get very passionate, but it...
02:10:39.300
We spent some time talking about your situation, so that's all good.
02:10:52.040
So, men talk about the friend zone a lot, right?
02:10:54.680
Because you said that men will date, you know, whoever they can for the most part.
02:10:59.380
So, they talk about being stuck in the friend zone.
02:11:01.360
But we never talk about, like, the fuck zone that women get stuck in.
02:11:17.540
But, again, men have this, like, list or ladder of women that they sleep with, but they would
02:11:25.120
And they lead these women on into thinking that they will so that they can keep sleeping
02:11:32.220
So, I think it happens equally, but, like, perpetuating the notion that, like, men constantly
02:11:37.960
get stuck in the friend zone and women have all the advantages and that, you know, they
02:11:51.760
Yo, can we get some W's in the chat for Big Mo?
02:12:00.080
And, by the way, Big Mo, if you're ever in California, please let me know.
02:12:12.240
And let me do a quick Twitch shout-out really quick, and we will come back to your point.
02:12:23.900
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02:12:53.640
Yeah, I think I was talking about, like, the fuck zone compared to the friend zone, right?
02:12:57.440
Yeah, so, like, men and women have equal amount of struggle, I think.
02:13:05.360
You're living as a man, so you can't see what struggles we go through.
02:13:09.040
We are constantly trying to get taken seriously in the workplace, and we don't know if guys are, like, friends with us in the workplace, or giving us advantages, I mean, in the workplace, if it's because we're attractive and they're trying to have sex with us, or if it's because we're actually doing a good job and getting promoted.
02:13:25.640
Well, okay, so just to address the friend zone, fuck zone thing.
02:13:28.540
I mean, I don't think those two are necessarily equal, and here's why, is because I would say, like, 80, 90% of men, even, like, some top-tier dudes, get friend zoned.
02:13:43.180
Most men have the experience of being in the friend zone, and they get that treatment from most women.
02:13:52.040
However, women who get fuck zoned get that treatment from a much smaller proportion of men.
02:14:09.000
Most women can friend zone most men, but most men cannot fuck zone most women.
02:14:14.540
The men who fuck zone women are the top 10, top 20% of men.
02:14:23.960
At the end of the day, everybody wants sex, right?
02:14:28.560
It's just in a way and a matter of how much you have it and, like, what you're having it with.
02:15:03.700
Vibes, signs, energy, astrology, manifestation.
02:15:14.240
Just giving the asteroid the GPS coordinates for your Carly location.
02:15:26.100
A, create new human life, which I think our society has forgotten about.
02:15:29.380
B, emotionally bond with the person that you're having sex with.
02:15:34.580
Every time that you have sexual intercourse, your brain releases oxytocin, and it makes
02:15:38.080
you feel emotionally bonded to that person, which is why hookup culture is so damaging,
02:15:46.080
To suggest that we have a right to have sex, then, is to suggest that it's our way or the
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highway all the time, and our emotional needs are more important than anything else for another
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I think that line of thinking is what's led to an extremely pro-abortion culture.
02:16:06.540
I think that's what's led to an extremely pro-hookup culture.
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I think that's what's led to women being stuck in this zone, and men being stuck in a zone
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of not being able to have a meaningful connection with their sexual partner or their emotional
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We're just constantly giving half of ourselves all the time.
02:16:24.700
I would argue we don't have a right to have sex.
02:16:28.300
It's a gift that we've been given from God, but it's not an inherent human right.
02:16:34.100
Yeah, so on the basis of that, I'm all about accountability for both sides, right?
02:16:39.860
Because I've heard the statement from the right that women don't have to take accountability
02:16:53.020
She constantly says that bullshit, but it's not true.
02:17:03.220
I want to hear all you ladies and guys talk a lot.
02:17:13.800
You said you got your neck tattoo at a woman's what?
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Because you said you weren't a fan of feminism, correct?
02:17:25.960
Like, what if you got brainwashed to getting a neck tattoo at this like feminist shit, and
02:17:34.140
It's kind of like a rites of passage tattoo, almost.
02:17:40.820
Well, yeah, it stems from like indigenous symbolism.
02:17:48.240
I was trying to loop you into the conversation a little bit there.
02:17:57.940
As a fit five foot, five foot ten man who is an average earner.
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All I want is a traditional woman who is morally Christian and a virgin.
02:18:19.540
Like you could find a virgin Christian woman if you really tried.
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Like, I don't think his standards are too high.
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Very, very hard for him to find what he's looking for, but.
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Our society that we're in right now is the ones that created the idea that that's unrealistic.
02:19:41.700
Hey, honestly, like, the reason why we're even living in the world that we live in today
02:19:45.000
is because there's too much brokenness and we continue to go to our vices.
02:19:48.560
Like, for example, your previous sex addiction.
02:19:53.940
Um, like, that was due to brokenness that was deep within, right?
02:19:58.700
Like, like, you weren't happy and you decided to, you know, get into that addiction, right?
02:20:04.380
So, it comes from an emotional place and the fact that we live, like, most of, I think
02:20:08.820
it's 50% of teenagers, they live in a single parent household.
02:20:15.200
Like, that's automatically, especially if it's a single mother and she's raising daughters,
02:20:20.780
that daughter is going to grow up looking for validation from other men.
02:20:30.060
And we're not looking in the right places to actually be healed of that brokenness.
02:20:37.880
As far as his standards are concerned, there's nothing wrong with being a virgin and Christian,
02:20:44.600
I'm just saying it's improbable if you're not, this sounds terrible, but if we're living
02:20:50.620
in this world, like, in this type of reality, it's improbable if you're not making, like,
02:20:58.060
Like, if you're saying, because women like that typically look for a man that's making
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enough substantially so that she can be submissive.
02:21:17.180
This guy drops $1,000 for me to do the hot dog.
02:21:31.820
So, when you say you're a virgin, though, like, born again or, like, actually?
02:21:50.540
I think a lot of the confusion associated with this also has to do with the idea that the
02:21:55.660
only way to be submissive to your husband is to have him make more money than you.
02:21:59.540
Like, we've repeated that throughout the conversation tonight.
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I'm saying that women aren't going to want to do that for a man because the definition
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of submission, right, is giving your, is being inferior to a superior, right?
02:22:17.600
I think it's about being a servant to the person, giving service, love to the person
02:22:24.640
I mean, we're called to lay down our lives for each other.
02:22:26.820
It's not just about women being inferior to men.
02:22:32.360
Well, the definition of submission is reporting to an authoritative figure, right?
02:22:39.980
So that automatically makes the man, no matter how much money he makes, no matter how much
02:23:02.320
Let me just see if this is going to, uh, Eric, can you pull up the chat?
02:23:05.700
So I just need to ask the chat a question if they're going to be able to hear this.
02:23:10.780
Actually, Eric, can you, can you open up another tab YouTube?
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Cause I'm going to do it along with the, the all blacks.
02:23:17.580
Uh, we won't, don't show it on the monitor, but pull up, uh, search in YouTube.
02:23:31.100
We'll continue talking about virginity or whatever.
02:23:36.380
These guys got us, you guys got us to 106,000 followers.
02:24:23.680
I am a born again Christian, but not a born again virgin.
02:24:49.160
Guys, I, I, someone donated $1,000, so I'm doing the all blacks Haka.
02:25:19.160
It's, uh, the, wait, it's the, wait, no, uh, a space between Kama day, Eric.
02:25:58.220
Oh, God, I can't believe I'm fucking doing this.
02:27:40.000
Uh, I don't know if we want, we can have the background.
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Here, just, we'll keep it, keep it, keep it, we'll keep it like this.
02:28:02.200
I should have worn my, these are my baggy fucking sweatpants too.
02:28:08.820
Uh, but, pull over the, the window so I can see it.
02:28:21.340
So just pull it up here and we'll keep it centered.
02:28:24.480
Make, I need just the whole screen, or half the screen.
02:28:29.640
So, bro, he's gonna probably, he's, he's probably gonna do charge back too after this.
02:28:48.180
The hacker, Richie McCaw, in a World Cup match, holding the Webb Ellis Cup, the Golden Cup, above his head.
02:28:57.240
New Zealanders in the chat, you should critique this whole thing.
02:29:59.720
Yeah, Frankie in the chat says that's cultural appropriation.
02:30:08.980
I should have just done it without even the video,
02:30:51.380
I'll do it again without the video if you'd donate another.
02:31:05.180
Like, what a man is entitled to in a relationship, right?
02:31:10.180
If we're making equal to, or I'm making more money than him,
02:31:19.220
which I've done with all my ex-boyfriends, right?
02:31:21.860
Which I'll give the example, like, doesn't happen very often,
02:31:25.480
but there's nothing other than by virtue of him being...
02:31:35.560
I've definitely settled looks-wise and status-wise
02:31:42.660
Also, love the pod that was the greatest thing ever, Brian.
02:31:56.740
Honestly, I could have done a much better job, you know?
02:31:59.180
But I was, like, you know, I was a little nervous, you know?
02:32:02.880
Because it's, like, I got, like, all these, like, chicks here
02:32:05.560
and, like, Kiki and, like, the dude over there.
02:32:09.340
It's, like, kind of nerve-wracking to, like, culturally appropriate
02:32:16.200
Now I'm, like, culturally appropriating Canada.
02:32:22.120
Um, just, so, that makes it to where, by virtue of him just being born a man
02:32:28.580
and being in a heterosexual relationship with me,
02:32:36.120
So, if he's not fulfilling his traditional role as a man and providing,
02:32:45.820
Why am I going to fill my traditional role as a woman and submit?
02:32:55.400
Like, I believe you should respect your partner all the time,
02:33:00.220
But as far as submission, that undermines my authority with our children.
02:33:04.280
That means that, like, that he has the final say, so I can't, you know,
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I might not be able to go out, you know, I just don't like it, so...
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I would choose a man that I would want to submit to.
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I'm going to choose a man that I would be happy to submit to.
02:33:50.500
I don't dance, so I don't know how to do that shit, but...
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I'll do a feet check for, like, $1,000, probably.
02:34:16.200
There's actually literally a website called, like...
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Like, dude's been, like, finding photos of me where my feet are visible.
02:35:00.240
I learned about it from the Age 3 podcast, and he's, like, obsessed with it and stuff
02:35:04.900
because he was, like, trying to get his score higher on there.
02:35:08.160
He wanted a perfect five stars and everything, and that's how I searched, like, other podcasts.
02:35:16.060
No, the craziest thing, I wanted to search myself, so I typed in my name, and I looked
02:35:21.780
in the image search, and I, like, saw feet photos.
02:35:26.400
And there's literally, but this is, it's not new, like, because some of these videos that
02:35:32.640
they got the screenshots from, I took, I unlisted them, like, years ago.
02:35:38.780
People take images from, like, several years back and stuff, and we'll find it.
02:35:43.960
It was literally, like, screenshots from a vlog from, like, 2015 I did, and I took all
02:35:58.000
By the way, the Hawka, I think we lost, like, 500 viewers, so that was a big L.
02:36:08.520
I think, yeah, we lost, like, a ton of viewers there.
02:36:26.300
By the way, thank you for all the new memberships, guys.
02:36:28.420
Eric, have you been, like, highlighting them really quick?
02:36:31.000
Not highlighting them, but showing the memberships?
02:36:38.860
There was just a string of Super Chats and him doing the Hawka.
02:36:41.320
Something about, like, relationships and, like, what we're, oh, that's what I was going
02:36:45.520
to say, because Kiki said something like, I would find a man that I want to submit to,
02:37:01.480
You said I would find a man that I would want to submit to, and that's great.
02:37:05.780
Like, I'm glad that you, like, feel happy to do that, but at the same time, I think that's
02:37:10.660
where it comes down to, like, a difference in preference.
02:37:14.140
I don't think there's any man that I could ever find that I would be okay with him having
02:37:18.700
the final say in every single decision we make.
02:37:21.160
Like, there has to be some, I'm probably one of the most, excuse me, agreeable partners
02:37:31.080
I'm low maintenance as fuck, but I don't like the idea of, like.
02:37:42.700
Because low maintenance means that you can just get me in the sack, right?
02:37:48.840
But, well, I mean, look, I don't know you, but, I mean, I don't know if I would, and
02:37:53.340
I'm not saying this to slight you, but you said that you're a recovering sex addict
02:38:03.620
I don't know if that qualifies as low maintenance.
02:38:11.160
Like, emotionally, how I would, you know, like, I'm not going to bitch at you every two
02:38:22.600
If it wasn't for my body count, I don't go out to bars.
02:38:26.280
I don't talk to other dudes, obviously, because I'm in recovery.
02:38:29.600
Everything I am is, like, technically a submissive traditional woman.
02:38:38.820
You did preemptively say, besides my body count.
02:38:42.820
So, you know, but because this, that's why I'm saying men's standards are, like, a little
02:38:50.400
Who are caring about, like, stuff like body count.
02:38:53.680
Wait, so you think it's wrong for a man to care about body count?
02:38:59.380
It depends on the way you carry yourself, right?
02:39:02.140
Like, it depends on the context of the situation.
02:39:04.740
Like, if I used to run around my old restaurant and throw it out there, you know, I got Only
02:39:19.020
Like, you know, I would totally understand why a guy would discriminate against me if
02:39:24.000
But if it was, like, I was recovering or, you know, whatever the case may be, some women
02:39:31.060
I know, try to find me a recovered drug addict that hasn't done sex work.
02:39:35.160
Because it, in today's day and age, especially when the drugs are so strong, it is, like, we
02:39:42.680
There's no, there's no purity and fucking drug addiction, right?
02:39:49.400
So, there's certain circumstances where it's, like, is it, it's our fault?
02:39:53.740
Yes, but you have to take other considerations and factor, right?
02:40:04.560
I mean, I want him to have some type of job, but my ex was, like, a lead at a restaurant
02:40:19.640
That's why you meet somebody who is okay with what you do, like, you know, us.
02:40:29.060
Mick will make him and Brian will make a feat finder.
02:40:34.540
Yo, Metro, thank you for the, thank you for the hundred.
02:40:36.800
Well, I mean, I do already have an OnlyFans, OnlyFans.com slash whatever.
02:40:40.280
Right now, we just have, like, seven pictures of Kiki on there.
02:40:46.660
Obviously, like, you know, hit us up on OnlyFans.
02:40:53.000
But right now, it's just for the, it's a fucking meme.
02:40:58.100
I'm just, I'm trying to arrive, like, what exactly are you trying to argue?
02:41:02.520
You're saying men have, expect too much when it comes to a woman's body count?
02:41:09.200
I'm saying men expect too much, average men expect too much out of average women and
02:41:18.780
Well, I mean, there's this concept called hoflation, where basically men have to work five times
02:41:26.540
Men, I think it goes something along the lines of, and this is hoflation, men have to work
02:41:32.840
five times as hard as their grandfathers for women who are 20 times as worse as their
02:41:41.760
I don't think most women are like me in this world.
02:41:44.620
I think most women, like, I can objectively say I am, like, not part of a common statistic.
02:41:53.440
Like, most women have relatively low body count.
02:42:01.020
No, most, I'd say most women are pretty promiscuous.
02:42:09.180
Let me just say, women are more promiscuous than men.
02:42:16.040
Sorry, there are more promiscuous women than there are promiscuous men.
02:42:23.180
I really don't know, because part of me says yes, but then the other part of me is, like,
02:42:30.760
So, they're, and they're all selecting the same, the top tier of men.
02:42:48.180
How about giving some other guests a chance to speak?
02:42:51.980
Much respect for you, Brian, but you really need to toughen up and host more professionally.
02:42:56.720
I'm new to your channel and have seen this strand of poor management of speaking time.
02:43:07.060
Yeah, I'm kind of, I mean, I'm kind of like a space cadet to begin with.
02:43:12.360
And then add in the TTS, add in the soup chats, add in, like, the craziness of having a bunch
02:43:17.140
of people sitting in the panel talking about this.
02:43:18.760
Yeah, I'm looking potentially to bring on a co-host where maybe, like, you know, can
02:43:54.720
Okay, so, pretty much any girl can be promiscuous.
02:44:06.260
So, even though a girl could be promiscuous, it doesn't mean that she is.
02:44:11.300
But, however, what you have happening is, like, an average woman or below average woman,
02:44:18.780
Whereas, like, a below average man, like, he's not getting laid.
02:44:30.720
But then, but then, is that below average women, like, going to be relationship material to certain men?
02:44:41.720
Like, of whether or not, again, I think men look for relationships, or women want relationships, men want sex, right?
02:44:47.820
So, if we're going with this line of thinking, there's an equal trade-off between men and women.
02:44:52.680
I wouldn't, I would say there's exceptions to the rule.
02:44:55.180
I think that definitely men struggle more as far as mental health is concerned.
02:45:03.480
I think that generally men and women have the same amount of struggle.
02:45:08.340
It's not the same struggle, but it's the same amount of struggle.
02:45:13.880
It's, women have dating on easy mode compared to men.
02:45:19.680
But that, that's, that's a component of modern relationships.
02:45:28.060
Eric, can you pull up that comic photo just to give it a little context here?
02:45:42.340
So, I mean, this is how I think it looks for most women.
02:45:50.720
Like, most, most girls have, like, probably have or could have, not, a good amount of women
02:45:57.440
have or could have a line of men that are, would be ready to be in a relationship with them.
02:46:03.640
Most men don't have any options, sexual or relationship.
02:46:09.180
I don't know if any of you have a guy, if you're, those of you who are single, if any
02:46:12.220
of you have a guy who's currently in your friend zone, he would be perfectly ready to
02:46:16.120
be loyal, excuse me, a loyal, dutiful boyfriend.
02:46:19.780
He'd be ready to be in a relationship with you.
02:46:21.560
You just don't happen to find him attractive and that's fine.
02:46:24.820
I'm not saying you should be in a relationship with someone you're not attracted to.
02:46:28.380
However, men don't have, like, girls that are just fucking dying to be in relationships
02:46:41.800
Average men are, like, maybe getting two matches a month on Tinder.
02:46:46.760
But I also think it's, it's the demographic and where you're at, right?
02:46:55.280
Like, I live in the pinnacle of frat culture, okay?
02:46:57.820
Like, I live where men are not looking for relationships at all.
02:47:04.820
Or you could even say, like, below average men are looking for relationships because of,
02:47:11.820
It's like a cultural thing, depending on where you live, right?
02:47:15.780
Yeah, I mean, definitely in universities, there's, especially here, we're right next
02:47:24.280
A lot of guys and women aren't looking for commitment.
02:47:27.640
And I think part of that comes to, or, excuse me, is related to the fact that it's kind
02:47:38.360
And there are some people that go here that are desirous of relationships, and they struggle
02:47:42.800
to find it, but you can't say that the average man and the average woman's experience is
02:48:03.140
Let's say we're taking an example of an average man, average woman.
02:48:15.940
Perhaps it's different the ways in which they struggle when it comes to dating.
02:48:23.580
So, okay, I mean, I disagree with you immediately, but here, let me let you come in.
02:48:30.380
I was going to say, I feel like it's not, like, that shouldn't be, like, I feel like
02:48:34.560
you're kind of projecting it as, like, a fact, but...
02:48:56.080
Do you want me to put on the World War I uniform?
02:48:59.840
So, yeah, I think it's, like, you gotta request one or the other, you know, but let me know
02:49:04.720
You wouldn't have to do another fucking massive Super Chat, but...
02:49:16.540
Are you, like, the owner of the All Blacks or something?
02:49:31.740
If Gordon Ramsay was co-hosting with you, Brian, he'll be honest-y blunt about hook-up culture
02:49:37.900
I can't explicitly say it because his language is too unique.
02:49:45.320
Okay, I think genuinely you guys are all trying to say the same thing, just listening to the
02:49:49.760
back and forth across this table, that both sides of this conversation are struggling,
02:49:56.440
Both sides are admitting whatever we're doing in culture is not working.
02:49:59.680
And I think a lot of that has come from, to bring things full circle, at the risk of
02:50:03.320
sounding too much like Jen Psaki to circle back, feminism in this idea that women are being
02:50:09.480
specifically programmed by society to reject the idea of seeking out a life partner that
02:50:18.420
Instead, she should be putting her career first.
02:50:24.600
Draw yourself a bubble bath and drink a glass of rose, girl, because self-love is going to
02:50:28.440
be way more important than investing in a long-term relationship.
02:50:31.540
Similarly, that is causing the friend zoning of countless men who are really looking for
02:50:38.540
But we've convinced ourselves that all men want is sex.
02:50:43.780
Why would we give them five minutes of our day to invest in something that could be the
02:50:48.820
But instead, we're trying to put all of these pointless things first in our lives that ultimately
02:50:53.820
10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years down the road are not going to make us have wholesome, happy,
02:51:01.280
I think you guys are both saying similar things that come from the same root problem, but maybe
02:51:06.820
it's less so about who's struggling more and just the fact that our system isn't working.
02:51:13.780
I was just going to say, like, I agree with you that, like, women definitely have a little
02:51:19.800
more authority when it comes to relationships, but as it goes, like, for men and women, it's
02:51:25.520
not just, like, just men want sex, women want relationships.
02:51:33.460
For example, like, I'm not trying to, like, target you, but, like, as a sex addict, you're
02:51:37.960
texting guys, like, to come over every single night.
02:51:46.100
This whole conversation is why it's important for women to not sleep around.
02:51:55.360
The heist value men are simply too scarce and valuable.
02:51:59.100
Now, when one woman holds out, another woman will always take her place.
02:52:06.680
Like, I think I said before, the genie's out of the bottle.
02:52:16.360
Like, it's, you can't target that specific, like, scenario towards men because I think
02:52:27.460
I think there's plenty of men out there that would, they don't want to run through a bunch
02:52:31.920
They want to have a relationship with one girl.
02:52:34.880
Well, and a lot of people in this space say, oh, men are only as faithful as their options.
02:52:41.060
But I think genuinely a lot of men are more than capable of being monogamous.
02:52:45.620
They don't want to run through a bunch of chicks.
02:52:53.520
I think the mute a mic option is a bit more than that.
02:53:07.660
I mean, I can't tell if it's because I'm wearing pink or if I'm fat or both.
02:53:24.600
That's all I really had to say, that it's so different.
02:53:29.280
Like, you can't make it a fact that men do this and women do that.
02:53:37.680
So I think the point that I was making is just that there are men, and I think a lot of men,
02:53:44.860
Like, and for you to be consistently getting a lot of girls, you do have to become, like, I think a pretty top-tier guy to do it.
02:53:53.420
And so, and me personally, I've really never been interested in just, like, running through a bunch of chicks.
02:54:01.020
I've always been kind of determined in terms of business and, you know, being focused, whether that's on my health or finances.
02:54:12.580
Now I'm the owner of Piggy, and where the world war won you.
02:54:20.020
And actually, let me just do one more really quick before it pops off.
02:54:32.680
Bro, Pocky Smith, are you, can you, what do you do for work, man?
02:54:36.300
By the way, oh, send me a DM, dude, because we have a chat chads group on Instagram for chads like you.
02:54:42.040
Veteran carpenter, chicken, the pink lacks basic intelligence.
02:54:47.940
It's better to be silent and let people think you're an idiot than open your mouth and prove you are.
02:55:02.880
I mean, like, we were going back and forth, right?
02:55:08.240
If somebody else was like, oh, I have something to say.
02:55:11.300
Of course, I'm not going to be like, no, fuck you.
02:55:14.540
If anybody else wants to, I'm not trying to dominate the conversation.
02:55:20.720
Okay, so what was your original thing that you were talking about?
02:55:29.300
Oh, just about how, like, the struggles aren't exactly, I would say, equal.
02:55:36.400
People struggle differently with specific things, but men are not entitled to just want sex for women.
02:55:49.260
I think there's plenty of men out there that would be perfectly happy in a monogamous relationship.
02:55:53.200
I think a lot of men are struggling to find that, and so are women.
02:56:01.740
So you said that you think that the struggle between men and women, it's about the same when it comes to dating.
02:56:09.320
But, I mean, like, the ease, and I know you said dating, but would you agree with the following point?
02:56:16.820
It's easier, it's much easier for women to get laid than it is for men to get laid.
02:56:22.920
Okay, so with that said, I mean, can you acknowledge that that is sort of, at least for most modern relationships,
02:56:30.320
that is the beginning stage of most relationships, getting, like, getting to intimacy, getting to sex?
02:56:37.360
I don't think, in my experience, and I've heard this from, like, most women,
02:56:41.680
I don't think if you sleep with a man on the first date, typically it's going to last very long.
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Like, that's just my, that's been my experience, you know.
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Like, if I even, because I've done this before, I've lied and told men I was a virgin.
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I straight up, I was like, I was like, yeah, just to see what they would do.
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They didn't want anything to do with me after, like, the third date.
02:57:07.960
So, wait, you lied to men saying you were a virgin in the hopes?
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Yeah, so I did, I talked about this on my podcast.
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No, no, I wasn't, like, hoping to be with them.
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But I was like, you know, I was like, I'm curious, because people's, or men say they value purity.
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It's like girls say, oh, I've only, I've never done this before.
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And then they got that fucking gluck gluck or whatever the fuck that bullshit's called.
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And it's like, okay, look, most modern relationships, I mean, we can have a discussion over, well, would it be better if people wait until marriage?
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However, I would say most modern relationships, it's not, hey, let's date for three months, then have sex.
02:58:01.680
It's most people, they hook up relatively early on, and then it develops into a relationship.
02:58:07.000
You continue hooking up with the person, and then it develops into a relationship.
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But I'd say that's how most relationships develop.
02:58:23.320
So, I know you maybe disagree with me on this, but.
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Yeah, but so, if sex, if the first step to getting a relationship is getting sex, it's not, I'm not phrasing this right.
02:58:40.940
But, if women can get sex very easily, then it would follow that women are more capable of getting relationships.
02:58:51.960
Well, sorry, I forgot what point I was going to say.
02:58:57.020
Well, you were, okay, you were saying that dating, men and women struggle about the same, in different ways, but we struggle about the same if there was some way to measure it.
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When it comes to courtship dating relationships, however, I disagree.
02:59:10.940
Yeah, and so, to my point, like, fucking on the first date, for example, that may be true, I just have never heard and personally have ever had that experience, right?
02:59:21.080
Like, I think, I don't think men take you seriously when you sleep with them right away.
02:59:27.440
You don't, but you don't have to sleep with a guy on the first date.
02:59:29.880
No, but you're saying, like, the relationships, modern relationships typically start out sexual, so whether it's first, second, or third, it's pretty soon, right?
02:59:37.480
Yeah, it doesn't have to be the first, but yeah, typically, I'd say most within the first three dates.
02:59:42.160
Right, so if they start out sexual, like, really soon, how is a man supposed to respect you?
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I disagree with that, in that you can have sex relatively early on, and still, it can flourish into a relationship, and you can still respect them.
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And I think a girl can sleep with a guy relatively quick and still have a low body count.
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How do you expect a girl to have a low body count and try to find her Prince Charming by sleeping with him on the second date?
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So, yeah, I mean, it is a bit of a dilemma for women.
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It is a bit of a dilemma for women, but, I mean, there's certain things that you can do, for example.
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Like, first off, have a conversation with a guy.
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Now, obviously, some dudes are going to lie to get sex.
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But you can definitely ask, and, I mean, I think women have a really good social intuition.
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I think, I mean, perhaps you want to believe his lies because you find him attractive.
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But, also, what is the long-term potential there?
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If he is, he's probably, like, no matter what he says, probably not a good bet.
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Well, I mean, you can engage with me on this if you want, but he hasn't had, the trigger has to be all in one donation.
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But, okay, so, is the guy, like, are you on spring break?
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Like, if you don't want to rack up a high body count, don't sleep with men while you're traveling.
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Spend most of my time working or spending time with friends.
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Most modern women don't see the common man looking for a relationship.
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I mean, usually engineers do pretty well financially, I'd say.
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But, I mean, that's kind of my stance is a lot of, you know, average women don't want average men.
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So, okay, but in terms of keeping your body count low, so there's talking to him, seeing what he's about, getting a feel for him.
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I think women have much stronger social intuition than men do.
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Like, if you're traveling or you know that he's going to be leaving town in a month, don't sleep with him.
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If he's leaving town in three months, don't sleep with him.
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Like, feel out the logistic component of is there a potential, is there long-term potential here?
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You know, like, some girls will, like, hook up with a guy who knows he's leaving town in three months.
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But, are you, I mean, unless you're going to get into a long-distance relationship, which I was ill-advised.
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And then, I mean, I mean, I can speak from personal experience.
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I've dated a girl for five years, three years, two years, nine months, one year.
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Most of these girls, like, we, I'd say we had sex the first, within the first three dates.
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Would you, would you say, like, a woman, for example, like, with a high body count like me,
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Or would you say she's deserving of, not high-value men, just average men?
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Well, I mean, you're, I'm not saying that you don't deserve anybody.
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But, I, you're, there are some men, I suppose, that will tolerate the fact that you're previously sex addicted
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So, yeah, I'm sure there's some guy out there, but, I mean, the high body count thing is probably going to be an issue for some guys.
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Like, for example, do you care about body count?
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I think they're, perhaps, should have some standards on that front, but, I mean, everyone's entitled to their own, their own view.
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And after, and while you were still with him, you bumped up your body count.
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Okay, but I guess the point, and to bring it back to the sex thing, so you said your body count is 136, right?
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So, just to bring it back to the whole, like, men and women struggle the same, and I'm not saying this to be mean to you.
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However, you're, I'm just trying, I want to state this as.
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So, your male looks equivalent could not sleep with six women in a night, could not have a 136 body count.
03:05:06.720
Right, because you're saying I'm average looking, right?
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I mean, I don't want to make comments about your appearance, but I'm just saying.
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Yes, but your male looks equivalent could not sleep with six women in a night the same way that you slept with six men in a night.
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Right, because men are willing to, like, fuck down.
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Yeah, but basically, like, you have the equivalent sexual pull of a famous athlete, musician, or actor, A-list celebrity, and you're an average woman.
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And I'm not saying that to insult you, but what I'm saying, I guess to make my point,
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I mean, you can leverage your sexual pull to potentially, not guaranteed, secure a relationship.
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Chat, let me ask chat, is, can you pull the chat over?
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Or is this guy going to charge, like, I'm kind of getting worried that this is, like, might be chargeback territories.
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Hopefully not, because I did the fucking hawk up around.
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I'm an average looking woman, so, but being, even at being an average looking woman,
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I can still get more pull than an average looking man.
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I understand that, but, so, like, what was your point in saying that?
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The, like, women don't have as much loneliness, you know what I mean?
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Well, it's also harder for men in all other realms, too.
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I don't know if you got that crazy oil money or something, or you got some Bitcoin.
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Just, it, I, I believe you, but it's, the, the, the volume of super chats you're sending
03:07:33.640
You know, I'm a little, it's crossing my mind, but thank you.
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If, if you're not, like, I, your patronage is deeply appreciated, but I'm, you know,
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Okay, so, I don't know how exactly I want to tackle this.
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So, you, like, let me, let me kind of, like, wrap it up.
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I think we're arguing against feminism, but we're just picking at straws.
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Because we're saying, who struggles the most, right?
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So, I think I'm, like, arguing for, for feminism against feminism with, you know what I mean?
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So, I think at the end of the day, we can come to the general conclusion that feminism
03:08:25.340
Because you could say women started it, yes, but you could also say that men went along
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Well, I'm not sure if that's really addressing kind of the point I'm trying to make here.
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And the point, the point I'm, I've been making and the point you're pushing back against
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is you're saying that the struggle that men and women experience when it comes to dating
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And I'm saying that men struggle more on the sex front and the dating front.
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Let's, let's even remove sex from this conversation.
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They meet on, not me, but I, well, they, well, I mean, sorry, most people, that's what
03:09:10.480
So as a woman on a dating app, you're far more likely.
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And there are both men and women on dating apps who are looking for relationships.
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Women swipe no on more men than do men swipe no on women.
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Women, as a guy, you're going to have to initiate typically the first message.
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You're going to have to plan the date, set up the date, probably pay for the date.
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I don't, it depends, again, it depends on certain circumstances, right?
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It depends on, you know, how attractive these men are.
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If we're talking about men 18 to 25, I think that, yeah, women have it harder, a lot harder
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If you have, like, a woman that's 25 and she's, like, dating within, like, 26 to, like, 35-year-old
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men, then, yeah, the 25 to 35-year-old men are probably going to have it harder, but it
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I mean, I, does anybody else want to come in on this?
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I feel like you're just speaking for, like, a small minority, but generally speaking,
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it's, like, pretty spot on about, like, what he's saying.
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You mean, like, for men that, like, put women in the F-zone?
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The only type of women who mostly get put in the fuck zone are people who place themselves
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Other than that, other than that, most women are, like, taken seriously.
03:11:01.940
Well, I agree with that, but the thing is, is, like,
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Yeah, but I think, as a woman, it's really easy to spot out lies, and you know, kind of,
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Like, I feel like it's such, like, you're lying to yourself if you're going to sit here
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and, like, listen to what guys tell you and then be like, oh, I can't believe this happened
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Sometimes you'll choose to ignore that, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that you knew
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I think just ultimately, you know, even if you remove the sex component that there are,
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in terms of struggle, there's also just more burden.
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Even removing, well, who has an easier time attaining relationships?
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For example, we have the burden of having to be the initiators.
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Sure, women want it, but let's say a guy, he's shy, he's introverted, he's socially awkward,
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He's probably fucked, whereas like, and actually, I mean, there's so many ways I can tackle
03:12:26.280
Like, a guy who's neurodivergent is going to have a far higher time, excuse me, is going
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to have a much harder time getting a girl than a girl who's neurodivergent.
03:12:35.260
Also, like, even a chick in a wheelchair, bro, she could put up some fucking bodies.
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Whereas, like, a dude in a wheelchair, he's going to struggle.
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There's plenty of women in wheelchairs that are beautiful.
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There's this femcel, I don't know if you know a femcel.
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It's not even real, because like, it's impossible.
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No man wants me, and there's like, a bunch of guys that are like, trying to.
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Yeah, I mean, basically, it's almost impossible for a woman to be involuntarily celibate.
03:13:04.520
And there's a forum on Reddit of femcels who claim to be involuntary celibate, and they
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actually had to like, private it or shut it down, because a bunch of men were messaging
03:13:13.980
these supposed involuntarily celibate women, offering them relationships, offering them sex.
03:13:19.860
So, women are never, women can never be as lonely as a guy can.
03:13:25.080
You might not have the optimal suitor that you want, but there's a different degree of
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loneliness that men experience when it comes to relationships than women.
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In my active sex addiction, I was never lonelier in my life.
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And, arguably, you could say, I shouldn't be, because I was having sex with the most
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But that's mostly because you're having like, an emotional response to it.
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Let me just come in really quick, then I'll have you come in.
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Did you cuddle with any of the guys that you hooked up with?
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Do you know how, do you know how touch-starved most men are?
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Most, like most men are so touch-starved that like, even the fact that you could cuddle.
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So, and I don't, I'm not challenging the fact that you were perhaps dissatisfied or lonely
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or depressed because of, you know, this, your phase of promiscuity.
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But most men don't even, they can't even get that amount of attention.
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Most men are, I shouldn't say most, a lot of men, maybe it is most, are invisible to women.
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They're not getting, a girl's never sliding into their DMs.
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At least you can, perhaps it's not what women want, but at least you can get that.
03:15:03.400
So, so I do actually agree with that, but it's not like when you have like casual sex,
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even if it's like a cuddle, even if there's like some type of intimacy and you know what
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the other party's intentions are, it's not the same, it doesn't, it doesn't mean that
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you get more satisfaction out of it versus when you're, you know, like alone.
03:15:29.740
I would rather be alone than have meaningless sex ever again.
03:15:32.260
But you, but you, I'm just saying, and that's why kids, you should wait until you're married
03:15:40.000
But I mean, you had, I think sex is a, sex is considered almost a need or what is the
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It's food, shelter, food, no, food, shelter and reproduction.
03:16:00.580
And so I like, I agree with you in the sense that like probably most women are happier actually
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having a relationship with one person instead of having a string of sexual partners.
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But like, let's not deny the fact that women on their own end, happily, I don't know if
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happily is the right word, they participate in hookup culture.
03:16:29.300
So I have a rule, no sex on the first three dates, but after that free game, but these chicks
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come out for the free meal, say thanks and dip.
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Single men will always be lonely and invisible.
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I had a dating app for two years, got six matches and two dates, so men have it harder.
03:16:46.400
Yo, by the way, Pokey Smith, can you shoot me a DM on Instagram, please?
03:16:53.820
I need to step up for a sec to put on my World War I uniform because he's been asking for
03:17:01.140
I want to open it up to you guys at the table if you want to give me two, three minutes
03:17:07.260
So maybe, oh my, I need to, I think I got to pump the TTS again.
03:17:24.900
I really appreciate all the patronage and support.
03:17:26.920
Okay, so I feel like some of you over here haven't had a lot of opportunity to talk,
03:17:38.920
I feel like going back to your point you made kind of a while ago, I think a lot of the new
03:17:45.940
hookup culture is also really due to all the instant gratification that social media has
03:17:51.460
given people and, like, all of the, like, I don't know, like, kids these days have a
03:17:59.480
The reason why Keely is so defensive over Mickey is because if he left her, no one would want
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She's selling her soul for money, which is cheap.
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In men's eyes, the more a woman has sex, the less they are worth.
03:18:17.540
But I thought that was such a big part of it, and I don't know that we could ever get
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back to, like, what it was before to get rid of this instant gratification, but let's just
03:18:45.480
I think we've built a culture where everything is supposed to be immediate, right?
03:18:49.320
So the idea of setting a higher standard, of respecting a boundary, of putting in the
03:18:54.920
time and the effort and commitment for a long-term relationship that you're hoping to have for
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the rest of your life, for decades of your life, that sounds so unappealing.
03:19:02.800
For God's sake, you can get pharmaceuticals delivered to your door from Amazon in 30 minutes,
03:19:07.000
Why would you want to think about something that would spend the rest of your life constantly
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requiring your attention, the demand of your energy, the demand of your emotions, sacrificing
03:19:17.960
things, laying down your life and being submissive to someone else, putting your needs behind
03:19:25.080
But I find it really interesting looking around this table, and we're all in very different
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phases of our lives, of our relationship statuses.
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I'm sure we all have dramatically different cultural and social and political backgrounds,
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and yet every single one of us is sitting here saying something is not right with how
03:19:44.960
So I don't know what that means of where we go forward from here, but wow, what a fascinating
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social commentary in a time where they say that we should be more divided than ever, especially
03:19:56.680
on the biggest social and cultural issues of our day, like dating.
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I think that just proves that we're all very similar, and no one's really unique because
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we're all in this whole world together dealing with the same things, and no matter what your
03:20:13.420
political views are, no matter how you dress, no matter how many people you've slept with,
03:20:17.340
we're all the same, and we're all in this thing.
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And the problem is that it's only getting worse from here.
03:20:27.000
The only way it could get better is if everyone got healed, but that's not happening.
03:20:33.280
One day we're going to look back to this and think, oh, those were actually some pretty
03:20:38.300
I would say a big problem, though, that I've noticed with men today that is certainly affecting
03:20:45.920
your mental state is low testosterone, and a big factor in that is the diet in America.
03:20:57.100
I don't usually like the government getting involved in things, but if the FDA got more
03:21:02.600
involved in what we're eating, I mean, there's a lot of environmental factors we necessarily
03:21:06.940
can't control, but food factors we can certainly control.
03:21:11.900
And a lot of the processed oils and sugars and grains, and certainly that people are eating,
03:21:18.560
I have an autoimmune disorder that affects me where I'm a lot more sensitive than most
03:21:27.500
But a lot of other people are not going to seek out those solutions, and I think that's
03:21:33.440
affecting people, men's testosterone, which does, a lot of people don't think, but the
03:21:41.000
And that's why a lot of men are depressed and not being good fathers that are staying
03:21:45.320
home, and why a lot of these social issues we're talking about really does, I know it
03:21:50.180
sounds dumb, but it really does have to do a lot with diet, I think.
03:21:55.340
Women these days have more testosterone than they did, like, 50 years ago.
03:22:01.500
No, women definitely have higher testosterone now, because when you, it's like the opposite
03:22:06.200
So if you're overweight and you're a woman, then you are going to be having higher testosterone,
03:22:12.320
while a man will have higher estrogen levels if he's overweight.
03:22:15.440
So it's definitely an issue that women have to deal with, too.
03:22:33.820
Well, I'm taking the pill, but I would much rather resort to another form of birth control
03:22:45.840
When you met your boyfriend, were you already on the pill or not yet?
03:22:48.200
Yeah, I've been on the pill since I would, I've been on the pill for about, like, two
03:22:55.460
Like, is he, like, very masculine or is he kind of feminine?
03:23:05.480
He's actually very, like, classy, put together.
03:23:14.580
So what's really crazy is that this is a really universal experience for women our age, that
03:23:19.500
when we were 15, 16, even going into college, we were recommended to be prescribed birth
03:23:26.240
Like, literally anything under the sun for really bad periods, for back cramps, for migraines,
03:23:30.940
even though the pill causes migraines, which makes no sense for acne.
03:23:34.120
That's why I started taking the pill when I was 15, because I was on Accutane, and the
03:23:38.040
government, the FDA, insisted that you absolutely must also take hormonal birth control with
03:23:42.680
this basically experimental dermatology drug while you're on Accutane, because Accutane
03:23:47.680
can cause birth defects if you become pregnant while you're taking the drug.
03:23:51.080
So they force you to take hormonal birth control, and then your dermatologist, or for
03:23:55.220
any other ailment outside of acne, they just suggest that you stay on it forever.
03:23:58.860
And the absolutely insane lie that we are feeding women right now totally plays into this diet
03:24:04.760
thing with men, that your hormones need to be balanced.
03:24:12.540
Your hormones are supposed to peak and valley every single month.
03:24:16.020
But instead, we have an entire generation of women who for like 10 years have been fed this
03:24:20.660
lie that your hormones are supposed to stay stagnant.
03:24:22.960
Simply from a scientific perspective, your hormones are you.
03:24:26.980
It's how you respond to stress, who you're attracted to, how much you like listening to
03:24:30.860
music, what things smell like to you, how often you get sick in your immune system.
03:24:36.700
And now we're just starting to study the idea that your personality changes, what types of
03:24:41.980
people you spend time with, what your political beliefs are, your religious beliefs.
03:24:48.300
I had a doctor that tried to prescribe me Accutane when I had acne when I was hitting puberty.
03:24:57.820
And I refused it because what they found out later on is that it was causing young boys
03:25:03.100
to develop breast, which is definitely not something you want as a young man.
03:25:07.900
And so, um, no, screw big pharma and, uh, they ruined my childhood.
03:25:18.580
Have you heard about that whole like theory about how a lot of people or women specifically
03:25:22.740
get off the pill and then they like don't like their partner anymore?
03:25:30.340
I was on birth control for many years and it caused me many horrible issues like my
03:25:36.920
And then I've still been with him, so it didn't change it for me.
03:25:42.600
She had, she had cancer like symptoms on birth control that was literally making her hair
03:25:52.840
By the way, did the TTS, did the TTS come in that we talked over?
03:26:00.340
But I, is your boyfriend watching the stream, by the way?
03:26:03.280
Um, he was probably watching earlier, but I don't know about right now.
03:26:07.700
Do you want to say hi to your boyfriend in the camera?
03:26:23.360
Um, no, I go, I only go out and party when I'm with him because I don't know.
03:26:29.380
Like if I were to go out and party myself, like in, in, in a guy's mind, like, it's just
03:26:36.660
I completely, like, I 100% respect my boyfriend.
03:26:44.460
I want to circle back to, I think there was a question asked, like, who is responsible
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I don't even think it's necessarily men or necessarily women.
03:26:57.600
Um, I think it's due to the fact that birth control is extremely pushed and abortion is
03:27:04.220
Um, and if we completely annihilated both of those things, I mean, we would be way less,
03:27:10.680
we, we would be a way less of a promiscuous society because women, women would be getting
03:27:16.200
We'd be more cautious as we were like decades and decades and centuries ago.
03:27:22.780
I think another thing that we should talk about is how women don't know their cycle.
03:27:29.580
I think a lot of young women just think their cycle is just their, their bleeding period.
03:27:35.700
And if you were to get to know your cycle, you would know when you are ovulating and when
03:27:41.020
you are fertile because you can only get pregnant one time out of the entire month.
03:27:46.780
And also you're, um, the most appealing to men when you're ovulating, whether they know
03:27:53.280
Notice like, you get, you know, I have the best, you know, when I'm, yeah.
03:27:59.100
So during, during your phase of ovulation, this is the crazy cool part of how your body
03:28:08.380
Literally, you look more attractive physically.
03:28:11.280
You look more attractive to the opposite sex when you are ovulating.
03:28:15.000
You get thinner, you're less bloated, you're glowing, your skin looks really great.
03:28:20.340
Like you genuinely are more beautiful while you are ovulating and you're able to conceive
03:28:25.300
But when you take birth control pills, hormonal birth control pills, that's an important caveat.
03:28:29.480
Uh, you keep your hormone levels that peak that help you get to that point stagnant.
03:28:34.180
So instead of the peaks and valleys of your estrogen and progesterone, it stays flat all
03:28:40.280
So you're mid in your emotions and how you respond to stress and what you look like all
03:28:44.780
month, every month, usually for decades on end.
03:28:47.700
And we're just now starting to research that, to ask that question.
03:28:51.620
Birth control has affected me a lot as like a person.
03:28:55.620
Like, I feel like the biggest thing, like people will always say, like my personality
03:29:04.340
Like, before I was on birth control, I would say I was like a little more like bubbly, fun,
03:29:12.440
But when I hopped on birth control, like I went on it for sex and my acne.
03:29:20.580
And like, I don't know, I was just so depressed.
03:29:27.500
Like it kind of just like put me through this like phase of life where I felt like I was
03:29:37.580
I'm back to normal and I'm still on birth control.
03:30:42.080
He's lying because he's embarrassed because he hasn't been with anybody but me except for
03:30:58.900
Oh, she doesn't consider like- I consider getting a blow job or kissing, like hooking up with
03:31:06.640
But technically, she thinks it means like, you know, having insertion and stuff.
03:31:13.380
But I did have other girls that I like kissed or got a BJ from or whatever.
03:31:29.400
If it's just penetration, then yeah, it's like one or two.
03:31:37.540
So, you weren't like a virgin when you met her?
03:31:44.880
When I met him, I was at seven, and he was one number seven that I slept with.
03:32:01.900
I consider us both ones to each other, like no one else.
03:32:35.900
Okay, throw in like handies in the back of a 7-Eleven.
03:33:02.760
Mick has a really early morning preparing Raggedy Annals meal for work tomorrow.
03:33:07.380
Yeah, I'm going to try to get through some super chats.
03:33:23.240
If a woman has a large labia, it's unfortunate that they get shamed.
03:33:41.920
Like, one of my girlfriends, she was like, I will never touch an uncut thing.
03:33:46.460
And I was like, I didn't even tell the difference.
03:34:02.620
People were commenting they wanted you to propose to someone else.
03:34:10.540
I mean, speaking of large labias, does anyone here rock it?
03:34:35.820
There's like beef curtains, wizard sleeve, roast beef.
03:35:22.020
This is for the engagement that never happened, that was supposed to happen.
03:35:37.440
This would be a bad time for me to ask you to repeat your name, right?
03:35:59.640
Isabel, I have loved every comment you have had.
03:36:12.680
I have a stream every night, but certainly wouldn't talk to Brian about it.
03:36:31.720
I do, but I'm building my YouTube slowly, so we're getting there.
03:36:38.080
By the way, guys, in terms of being a dictator, is the hand on the belt, is that part of the
03:37:10.320
So what kind of livestock are we talking about?
03:37:21.800
Well, I'll have to talk to your father about it.
03:37:24.560
By the way, do you guys remember there was a TTS that didn't came through, but it didn't
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SL underscore I dot D dot underscore C F B 18 C F 0 E 99 3 F 32 donated $100.
03:37:51.340
Boys can learn camaraderie or they can learn animosity.
03:37:54.740
Men with animosity in their hearts will for ego.
03:37:57.860
The sex brings confidence, which brings more sex.
03:38:01.380
We are a society of adults who have retained our middle school hierarchy.
03:38:10.000
I don't have anyone moderating really on Streamlabs, so I can't imagine why you're blocked.
03:38:14.700
It could be you're trying to send a word that is inappropriate, so it's automatically blocking
03:38:20.680
Otherwise, feel free to just do it through Super Chat if it's not working.
03:38:26.180
I already did it, but here, I'll give you a little.
03:38:34.840
Let me get through a couple regular soup chats.
03:38:40.480
We have quite a lot, so I apologize to some of you guys.
03:38:44.160
I'm going to read them all, but we are going to power through them.
03:38:48.600
So, oh, before I do that, can we pull up Twitch, twitch.tv slash whatever.
03:39:05.920
If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch account.
03:39:08.580
Quick, free, easy way every month to support the show.
03:39:24.420
I can't see the Primes that are coming through.
03:39:29.600
Asian underscore Kyle underscore NYC with the bits.
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And for those who haven't spoke much tonight, you bring me peace like geeky.
03:40:19.880
I know you, honestly, you got scorched tonight.
03:40:24.240
But I actually commend you for, like, being so forthcoming about everything that you spoke
03:40:28.640
on, from the sex addiction to the narcotics addiction.
03:40:33.860
And I think you were really, like, super honest.
03:40:38.360
Because a lot of people can have some hesitations about sharing some of that stuff.
03:40:45.340
They said, this is going to come with consequences, you know.
03:40:48.040
And I said, if I can help one human being recover, that's my goal.
03:40:52.660
The best thing is that you're not justifying it and that, like, you know it's wrong and
03:40:58.660
By the way, we would have children with beautiful aquiline noses.
03:41:15.180
Dusker, if you're not in the content and other guys are, she ain't the one, bro.
03:41:26.080
I am the one, but I'm not actually doing adult film anymore.
03:41:31.340
I haven't actually filmed a video in, like, more than six months, right?
03:41:37.180
By the way, guys, I do want to apologize that we're getting to these Super Chats so
03:41:42.140
Just we got a lot of TTS that came through and then we got a really high volume of Super
03:41:49.160
I bumped it up two shows ago and people weren't happy about it, so I bumped it back down.
03:41:54.340
But maybe I think I just need to bump up the TTS maybe.
03:42:01.420
I'm probably going to get a couple complaints in the chat about the Super Chats.
03:42:10.780
At the time, I was really desperate for anything, but not anymore.
03:42:24.000
Bootleg Lloyd Griffin out here taking everyone's Peters while bro's door dashing.
03:42:44.880
A good reminder is our actions have consequences.
03:42:53.480
Would you want your child to become what you are when they grow up?
03:43:08.260
Not everyone should do the job I'm doing, obviously.
03:43:11.320
I don't even want to do it, but it's just money and what you got to do in today's world.
03:43:21.560
Oh, by the way, for everyone who's asking about Shania's father from last stream.
03:43:29.800
It's in one of my highlights in my Instagram story.
03:43:31.400
There's a photo of him, if you guys are curious.
03:43:50.520
Would you get rid of your IG for a marriageable man?
03:43:54.540
We'll go around the table on this really quick.
03:44:03.560
I would get rid of my phone and everything for him.
03:44:12.040
Yeah, it's a little bit more complicated than just an account, I think.
03:44:19.120
Social media does not need to be a part of your relationship, to be honest.
03:44:35.820
So if you're a boyfriend, has he asked you to delete your Instagram?
03:44:42.900
I assume after this show, you're probably going to get some too.
03:44:57.900
We just ignore them or block them if they're being weird.
03:45:08.400
I mean, if your boyfriend's not asking for it, then.
03:45:16.680
Some girls dating dudes for two years, and they're nowhere to be found on Instagram.
03:45:24.960
I would post mine, but he says it's not good for my money, which is true, because guys
03:45:29.940
are simps, but if he asked me to post him, I will, and he's on my Facebook and everything
03:45:37.880
Again, sorry, guys, that we're getting to these at the end of the show.
03:45:44.440
Matthew John, this is the exemplification of narcissism and manipulation under the guise
03:45:56.020
As someone who was subject to the same emotional abuse, it will erode your mind.
03:46:07.400
No, he's saying that I'm being manipulated and abused by a narcissist.
03:46:14.500
He's a man and don't really make any money, and I'm the one doing the job I don't want
03:46:20.360
I could choose to not be with her if I didn't want to, but I choose to be with her.
03:46:27.180
There's nothing wrong with him, and there's nothing wrong with me.
03:46:33.080
J.A. says, Brian, as hilarious and off the hook this show sometimes is, there is something
03:46:41.560
I honestly think this is going to do a lot of good for this country somehow.
03:46:56.300
Sorry that I'm getting to your super chat so late here into the show.
03:46:59.940
I really appreciate that positive message, man.
03:47:06.700
I hope I can, I mean, perhaps you're overselling me a little bit there, but thank you, man.
03:47:12.960
All right, we have, that one came through as a TTS.
03:47:15.720
TTS, thank you guys so much for all the TTSs tonight.
03:47:21.820
Dacata B says, let's get a flex check for Mick.
03:47:57.160
This guy is so self-centered and weak, he would rather Keeley sacrifice her standing, status,
03:48:02.560
and purity than deal with customers yelling at him in a store?
03:48:07.560
Okay, well, you're entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, but, you know, at the time,
03:48:16.980
I was on the edge of not even having the job anyway that I had, and I didn't have customers
03:49:10.180
Okay, my ultimate goal for the podcast is, look, I need a little breathing space, okay?
03:49:31.800
Yeah, you know, just the Sudetenland would be nice.
03:49:35.700
But, yeah, I mean, honestly, just I'm enjoying, as it is right now, I'm overwhelmed with, like,
03:49:44.740
the huge increase in viewership we've had recently.
03:49:46.980
I'm overwhelmed by all the patronage we've had.
03:49:49.980
It's certainly more than I could have ever hoped for and hopefully keep growing.
03:49:55.220
And, yeah, I don't know if that ultimate goal for this podcast, just, yeah, keep having good conversations
03:50:06.520
So, and I would like to, if I can build a solid team around me, I'd like to maybe do more shows a week,
03:50:16.120
bring on co-hosts, maybe have, like, I'd love to maybe even, like, have the same format,
03:50:22.360
but, like, have someone, me still host it, but maybe have, like, I don't know if you saw the show I did with Tay-Tay.
03:50:27.560
Like, maybe she could come in for, like, Tay-Tay Thursday or something.
03:50:30.340
And she's just, like, with a bunch of girls because she's fire.
03:50:40.000
Sunny, why don't you go ahead and read that one?
03:50:43.240
The blondie is delusional, and her way of thinking is the actual problem here in Western countries.
03:50:47.700
This idea that if you choose an average guy, you are settling is idiotic.
03:50:56.820
Women are and will be single and sad because of this type of narcissism.
03:51:01.500
I never said you were, I think I was actually advocating for you to date average men.
03:51:12.300
I literally was advocating for that, so I don't know what he's talking about.
03:51:23.700
Got to stop bringing on all these annoying Jesus people.
03:51:27.280
Also, for everyone, if the world was about to end and you could escape alive on a spaceship
03:51:44.800
Okay, see, I'm like a dude, so I'm going to think this shit out.
03:51:50.440
Are we eventually going to land on a habitable planet or are we stuck in space, you know,
03:51:59.440
There's no people who can direct you to a new planet.
03:52:04.040
Because I was going to say, like, if we crash land on some, like, alien planet that's habitable,
03:52:08.700
but there's, like, fucking dangerous, like, dinosaur-type shits in there and, like, survival.
03:52:18.880
I'd honestly probably, like, I'd probably, like, shit, maybe, repopulation, though, so
03:52:27.200
maybe I pick a chick, but I feel like I'd want, like, to get someone who's, like, got
03:52:32.480
So, who's the guy who was on Joe Rogan who was the survival guy?
03:52:43.020
He was on, like, some reality show where he got partnered with a girl in, like, a survival
03:53:02.960
Maybe I'd try to partner with Forrest Galante, but if we're stuck on a spaceship and, like,
03:53:27.460
If I didn't have a boyfriend, I would say Elon Musk.
03:53:37.600
So, like, it is a preference, but I understand that that's not very common.
03:53:41.980
So, it's not like a, it's not a deal breaker, but I would want, I would have to see that his
03:53:51.380
So, like, if he, if he's like, oh, okay, I'm waiting, but he still, like, uses pornography,
03:54:10.700
I feel like Leslie Knope in that episode of Parks and Rec and the Me, he's talking about
03:54:23.680
Like comedian John Mulaney said, men are just D salesmen.
03:54:36.420
It's women are marketers and men are advertisers.
03:54:43.520
I'll pull it up on a separate stream at some future point.
03:55:06.940
It's going to cost more than that if you want a sock check.
03:55:12.520
Thank you guys all so much for all these TTSs that came through.
03:55:41.240
Anyone have anything, final thought or final question or anything that they wanted to chat about?
03:56:08.300
It's just, like, ultimate lust after something that, like, doesn't bring anything.
03:56:13.000
And from that, you can kind of, like, lack intimacy with your partner because you're always listening
03:56:25.240
Like, it's, it's, it usually becomes an addiction and destroys marriages.
03:56:32.740
It's also made really unrealistic standards for people.
03:56:38.920
I think, like, women are supposed to look like this and they're supposed to be waxed and,
03:56:43.000
you know, all of the, like, things you typically see in adult film where it's, like, this is
03:56:49.700
the picture-perfect woman and now you have to look like that in order to receive sex or
03:56:54.100
feel valued as, like, that kind of sexual person.
03:56:57.280
So, you're not a fan of waxing is what you're telling us?
03:57:00.280
Not saying that, but I think that because of, like, these adult kind of things, it's made
03:57:08.080
women, like, like social media, how it's made, like, this picture-perfect woman, like, these
03:57:12.440
are the standards you now have to try to obtain in order to feel attractive or to be, like,
03:57:23.240
But, yeah, it, it definitely affects the chemicals in your brain and, and it has this way that
03:57:29.360
it's certainly unnatural to get all this, this high and dopamine hit immediately and there's
03:57:38.320
A lot of men you, you talk to and they don't feel satisfied with their relationship or, or
03:57:43.900
girls in real life because it, it, porn is more exciting and you can click through so many
03:57:49.200
things and we've never had this for our monkey minds of, for, you know, millions of years and
03:57:55.500
now to be in this world where we have something on our phone that gives us that quick access
03:58:00.180
is definitely not natural and it is definitely harming young men at a rapid rate and I think
03:58:06.940
society is, is being impacted by it, especially future generations, but.
03:58:14.120
And I also feel with the rise of, like, OnlyFans and everything, so many people will make you
03:58:18.100
sound like you're crazy if you're like, I don't want my partner to watch porn and then that
03:58:22.800
is just bad, like, being gaslit by whole society.
03:58:28.060
I was just going to say, I agree, it's, it's seen as, like, jealousy for some reason, but.
03:58:33.100
Yeah, if anything, it's just, it just means you care about them.
03:58:36.900
Yeah, the fact that I'm, the fact that I'm jealous and don't want him doing certain things
03:58:41.980
Like, if you don't care what your partner does at all, like, whatsoever, it's like, well,
03:58:46.020
then you don't really care about them at all, like, you can go hook up with whoever,
03:58:49.180
you know, but money aside, you know, this is different, obviously, but nobody actually
03:58:55.140
wants to be with somebody who's, like, lusting after someone on a screen all the time or, like,
03:58:59.980
scrolling through pictures, liking girls on Instagram, looking at girls on TikTok who
03:59:06.020
I mean, post what you want, but if you're with somebody, you obviously don't want your
03:59:13.020
I was just going to say, like, consuming porn literally decreases, like, levels of testosterone.
03:59:17.720
As you were saying earlier, that's a huge issue amongst men and pornography.
03:59:26.140
If I could add something, I want to add on to what he was saying about the youth.
03:59:31.080
I was watching this video, I don't know if it was, like, by that Jubilee YouTube, whatever,
03:59:36.580
they were doing, like, an anonymous thing with some teens, and they had them wear, like,
03:59:39.900
these masks, and they were talking about porn at some point.
03:59:42.140
Like, and one of the, these young men were saying how they watched so much porn, like,
03:59:50.520
a lot of them were addicted, and they go through so many pages, and then nothing appeals to them,
03:59:57.940
so they resort to something more aggressive, like transgender porn, and, like, just things
04:00:03.200
that they would normally not watch, because it's not, it's, nothing will suffice at that
04:00:13.600
I was actually in a relationship, and I found out that, like, my partner was cheating on
04:00:25.220
I would like to hear more about that, actually.
04:00:29.420
Wait, why do you want your boyfriend to comment about that?
04:00:46.300
He's going to get mad at me if I'm going to kill her.
04:00:53.020
So I was with this person for probably two years, going on three years, and we lived together.
04:01:00.720
And so I would go to work early in the morning, and then he would just send out these crazy
04:01:07.240
And I found this treacherous website for local cruising around and all of this stuff.
04:01:19.080
I went through this guy's phone, obviously, because something felt wrong, but I didn't
04:01:24.300
So I go through this phone, and I find, like, he has, like, alter ego type things and, like,
04:01:31.240
It was the craziest thing I've ever experienced.
04:01:33.280
But aside from, like, the cheating, I think it, for me, what made me feel the most, like,
04:01:38.800
terrible is just the deceit of, like, I had been sharing my life with this person.
04:01:44.180
Like, I would go to sleep next to this person every single day.
04:02:15.960
If I were to ever be stuck in a tight capsule with one other person, it must definitely
04:02:24.380
I'd rather bust a nut until the end of time than be confined to that bullshit.
04:02:49.160
It's spelled with a T, but like pronounced with a D.
04:03:04.180
Can you show Mike Davis the ring I just gave you, by the way?
04:03:13.760
Mike Davis, confirm or deny, would you be willing to get my fiancee some hamburgers when
04:03:23.880
He owns like 255 Burger King restaurants in the Carolinas.
04:03:29.300
I looked him up, and it says he's just a manager.
04:03:41.340
Oh, I mean, I looked him up, and then the LinkedIn came up.
04:03:43.260
You're telling me you looked up Mike Davis on LinkedIn?
04:03:46.100
Yes, because you said the Burger King thing, and I was like, let me check this.
04:04:04.000
I mean, I would have thought if he truly, like, owned-
04:04:34.160
Well, here's the thing, right, is, like, he's, like, boots-on-the-ground leadership.
04:04:40.400
So, like, he's, like, those CEOs that will go in and, like, flip the burgers, like, every once in a while.
04:04:50.400
If Mike Davis has misrepresented his steak in Burger King restaurants to me, that is a bigger deception than your boyfriend that's sleeping with dudes.
04:05:03.260
Your boyfriend, your boyfriend who's, like, cruising for dudes.
04:05:15.500
I hope he's still watching and can speak for himself.
04:05:33.460
I'm not going to let you guys off the hook that quick.
04:05:35.920
She was about to say that you had an orgy with dudes or some shit like that.
04:05:50.680
I don't know what you're going to say, so you don't have consent.
04:05:54.520
I'm going to say something about the phone and the dirt.
04:06:10.800
She doesn't like that when I like certain people's Instagram photos.
04:06:17.580
He's actually on websites that he shouldn't be on.
04:06:23.840
I didn't mean to throw you out to the bus here, bro.
04:06:49.220
And no, I'm on them for the same reason that she is, to make friends and to talk to people.
04:06:56.080
Yeah, that's why we're here, is to make friends and talk to people and just-
04:06:59.360
Welcome to the whatever council, whatever relationship counseling services-
04:07:15.120
You really threw your boyfriend under the bus there.
04:07:17.540
If I'm going to say it, though, you threw him under the bus.
04:07:22.420
Yes, but I'm not trying to, but I'm tempted to because of something she said, and then it
04:07:31.700
I mean, something that bothers me a little bit.
04:07:33.500
Well, she's jealous of me talking to other people online.
04:07:41.480
When you say talking to other people, are you talking to other women or other men?
04:07:49.960
It just, but generally, like, you know, like, the Bumble friends or something.
04:07:53.480
She found me out, like, doing that or talking to people, and she's like, oh, are you meeting?
04:08:01.060
And then even going on Instagram and liking photos of other girls, like, I stopped doing
04:08:07.740
I mean, when we were first together, yes, I was going on and still doing it.
04:08:11.280
I was still following a lot of other girls, but eventually I learned, like, you know, it's
04:08:15.880
proper when you're in a relationship not to do that stuff and everything, but I grew
04:08:20.580
She was my first serious relationship, you know.
04:08:54.800
You're just trying to embarrass me by things that are not evil.
04:09:00.300
Honestly, you're right, but also not right, because it's something that I need advice
04:09:06.100
I don't have no one to talk to but you about this thing that I can't talk about.
04:09:37.600
Do you guys live in Santa Barbara or you live, like, North...
04:09:50.300
Never had a LinkedIn, so this female is talking out her blank.
04:09:53.980
I don't blank with Caucasian women, so it's a no from me.
04:10:16.140
It was more like Mike Davis is the homie, so, like, it was more just like, you know,
04:10:20.820
he could get you some Burger King gift cards and, you know, maybe a complimentary burger.
04:10:32.460
Okay, one time I found him searching for something, but it was because of a pop-up ad because of...
04:10:37.780
You know how when you watch movies and you pirate them, I saw something and it wasn't
04:10:43.020
Like, you know those ads that come up with, like, inappropriate websites?
04:10:46.120
This is going to be a really awkward car ride back home for you, though.
04:10:55.720
I'm just saying that it wasn't really a big deal.
04:10:59.280
Because sometimes we don't want to, like, go on Netflix because there's nothing to watch.
04:11:17.160
How does it feel to contribute photos and videos that continue to deteriorate the human mind?
04:11:22.940
You stay with me not because you're the best he can do, but because he's the best you can do.
04:11:28.820
What a shame, beautiful face with a toxic heart.
04:11:40.120
We wouldn't be together if we didn't love each other, obviously.
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And anyone who doesn't want me, I probably don't want them anyways.
04:11:51.380
Well, she does have suitors going after her, even though we're together every day, often.
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Oh, it'd kind of be like a self-inflicted wound.
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I was going to ask a dating-related question of his experience, but I assume he's too young
04:12:24.660
He tells me that he has too many hoes to have a girlfriend.
04:12:44.340
Yeah, he's like a gamer, popular water polo player.
04:13:06.780
We want men to value sex by not watching corn, but women also get angry if men care about
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body count when I think men who care about body count is because they think sex is valuable.
04:13:17.320
Isn't ignoring body count add up to hookup culture?
04:13:27.840
I think if you don't care about body count and we don't have hookup culture, why would you need to care about body count?
04:13:43.140
Yeah, but if there's no hookup culture, right, and you assume your body count's low because there's no hookup culture, why would you need to care?
04:13:51.820
Well, I mean, if money grew on trees, then that would be cool, but it's a bit of a hypothetical scenario because there is a hookup culture.
04:14:00.200
And I mean, throughout, even when there wasn't a hookup culture, men throughout all of human history, actually, I think both genders throughout all human history valued chastity, valued sexual purity, both men and women for religious reasons, chiefly.
04:14:16.280
Although men were more invested in it because one of the reasons men care about a woman's body count or a woman's promiscuity, if a woman's promiscuous, you cannot guarantee paternity.
04:14:28.140
So one of the biggest L's as a guy that you can take is raising a child that's not yours.
04:14:31.740
So a promiscuous woman or a woman who's not a virgin, if she's sleeping with other men and she gets pregnant, then you can't guarantee who the father is.
04:14:41.380
Now, obviously, today in the past, I think DNA test came around in the 1980s.
04:14:48.420
However, that doesn't undo our evolution and our biology for men having a evolutionary hardwired desire to know that the child that we're raising and investing our time, energy and resources in is actually our child.
04:15:05.400
So that's I think that's one of the reasons why men care more about promiscuity and body count than women for evolutionary and biological reasons, because as a woman, if you get pregnant, you know, for certainty, the child is yours.
04:15:15.820
However, if a man, you it's unless you get a paternity test, there's really no way to ensure that.
04:15:21.500
And the way they ensured that as best as they could in the past was with the virgins.
04:15:27.740
If the woman's a virgin, she's had sex with no other men, you know, for certain that if you have a child with her, that the child is yours.
04:15:35.960
So yeah, I think but even like back in the day, right, I think you could tell if a woman was promiscuous because sex work and prostituting has been has existed since the dawn of time.
04:15:47.940
Women as soon as women figured out that they could commodify off of sex, that's what they did.
04:15:54.960
So everyone thinks this whole OnlyFans stuff is new.
04:15:57.160
It's not, you know, but like, yeah, I think I think a true promiscuous woman like carries it with her like you can tell when a woman's sleeping around.
04:16:09.900
I mean, there's definitely indicators, although I would say that there are definitely some unassuming women who you would not think who are shy and quiet and introverted and reserved and aren't blasted with tattoos.
04:16:21.900
And they can be there's some promiscuous chicks out there that you might not be able to I'm not and by the way, if you have tattoos, it's not for sure that you're promiscuous.
04:16:31.520
But like, that is one indicator that men are going to look at be like, is she heavily tatted?
04:16:36.560
She's maybe again, you might you could be super relationship status, but men do look at the degree to which you tattoo yourself and think she might she might be more promiscuous because of how fucking blasted she is on her fucking, you know, full sleeves or whatever it is, you know, so well, I'm sure you looked at me and like did not assume that like sex addict was the words that were going to come out of my mouth.
04:16:58.060
Right. Because it's like, well, like, you know, it's just like shocking. But yeah, so I agree with that. Yeah.
04:17:04.200
Yeah. I mean, the most I think a lot of guys can can tell. I mean, you know, it's in your behavior. It's how you move.
04:17:10.860
So although but again, we've we've had women on the show who you would never think it like very demure, mellow, like very reserved.
04:17:21.920
And they like we had a 19 year old girl who had slept with 33 people and she was like super like super sweet, very calm, reserved and just so stay safe out there, gentlemen, because some sometimes they're unassuming.
04:17:40.960
OK, so I had one final question, but it slipped my mind. Did anyone else have like a question or anything or yeah, not so much a question.
04:17:49.200
And we talked about it a bit earlier, but I just wanted to comment on how refreshing I think this conversation is.
04:17:56.220
Shockingly, we're very different people, but all of us have come together on a multitude of very countercultural talking points tonight, rejecting the pornography industry, rejecting the idea of hookup culture, quitting your hormonal birth control,
04:18:09.920
waiting until you're married to have sex, wanting committed long term relationships.
04:18:13.960
These are all things that very much go against the grain of what culture tells us we should be embracing and running toward.
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And I have nothing but hope for our generation, despite so many people telling us that we are hopeless and destroying the foundation of Western society.
04:18:30.460
Conversations like this need to be happening more. And I'm just really refreshed and encouraged by this.
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Anybody else? Speak now or forever. Hold your peace.
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04:19:57.300
Eric, can you pull up the Patrice O'Neill clip?
04:20:08.240
Bro, like I said, that's going to be a fucking awkward ride home.
04:20:42.440
Well, you know, sometimes we don't agree on everything, so sometimes we can get a little
04:20:49.540
We definitely, definitely have our disagreements.
04:20:52.240
You were airing his dirty laundry a little bit.
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I mean, you kind of alluded to him being potentially gay.
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Anyways, not that there's anything wrong with that.
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It was literally just referring to like an ad pop-up, like on Google, you know, when
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you're watching a movie, you're pirating it, and you see some, you know, corn on the internet
04:21:30.160
Like if your boyfriend, girlfriend has Bumble, like do you think that's okay?
04:21:44.140
I haven't even gone like doing a video in like more than six months, so I haven't touched
04:21:50.960
Okay, but fine, but you had previously, do you still strip?
04:21:55.240
I haven't gone to the club in over like a week or two, but I don't, I'll quit today.
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Are we, should we, is this like an intervention?
04:22:16.460
Wait, so the whole thing about you stopping your OnlyFans, is that really, because you're
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probably going to get some followers after the show, so.
04:22:24.840
Or what if I just post a picture of me in like a regular outfit like this, like a selfie
04:22:30.940
Because no one knows what you have on there until they subscribe.
04:22:33.440
Are you going to keep like the ahi gao and the like group scenes up?
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Are you going to keep your existing content up?
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I mean, I can't really take it down if it's online, but if it's on OnlyFans, I can take
04:22:49.580
Right, you want her to keep making money, I assume.
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Are you going to, is she deleting her OnlyFans or what?
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If anything, that would be the one thing she shouldn't.
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So you said, you said eight body count, correct?
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Was it like, uh, all of them were high school besides my boyfriend now.
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Would you say like, uh, amongst like in high school for people in San Diego, is there like
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we're a pretty big hookup culture in, in high school?
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In like middle school for kids, like elementary school.
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In Chicago, the public school district is handing out free condoms to everyone starting
04:24:10.940
I heard a crazy story about Isla Vista Elementary School and how like a janitor like caught some
04:24:19.700
Okay, well, we, we, we know where you're going with that, but yeah, that's a yikes.
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I mean, I was a virgin until I was like 17 and a half.
04:24:36.480
Well, what about them putting condoms in the woman's restroom?
04:24:41.940
Well, they're handing them out to at women's prisons even, which tells you something.
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It tells you that something is allowed to go on in there, which shouldn't be allowed.
04:24:50.200
Well, and this might be a controversial take, but I don't think male prison guards should
04:24:56.540
Like it just, it, it creates like a horrible, you know, it's a risk because there's one guy
04:25:09.420
He could just go and R word the girls if he wanted to.
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But they have a better chance of fighting back, you know?
04:25:20.180
Like if it, if a big old CO man is coming at you, what are you going to do?
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They also have like men who identifies women going and impregnating.
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It seems like we all agree on that topic before even getting there.
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Oh, just, I wanted to go around the table on this.
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Politically, I would say I'm pretty neutral, but a little more on the conservative side.
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I'm pretty much straight down the middle moderate.
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I would say a moderate libertarian that's a little more right-leaning.
04:26:10.760
I feel like I'm pretty neutral with like more conservative views.
04:26:18.140
I have been finding myself agreeing more with conservative views in the past few months.
04:26:27.660
I think the thumbnail speaks for itself in this video.
04:26:34.580
I would have liked to have tried to stack the panel a little more, have some liberals, but
04:26:41.580
I mean, it seems like pretty moderate overall panel, I would say generally, with some perhaps
04:26:50.360
So, I mean, the follow-up question, the reason I ask is because my follow-up question was
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going to be, would you date a guy who's conservative?
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I don't think he'd want anything to do with me.
04:27:12.720
I like my liberal skinny boys that are, you know.
04:27:17.400
I think as long as we align with the same core values, you know, I think that's important.
04:27:28.480
I want to be with a conservative guy, so what we got is good.
04:27:31.460
I would actually only date a, like, a more conservative, moderate-leading woman.
04:27:40.500
I would say not lifestyle-wise, but politically.
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And I think that it matters that much in a relationship, because if I was to be with
04:27:54.680
It's just like, what, are we going to go on one date?
04:27:59.920
But, you know, lifestyle-wise, yeah, we don't necessarily...
04:28:13.780
Well, and I assume you guys, since you're conservative, you date...
04:28:19.100
Would you guys, assuming, like, let's say you weren't in a relationship right now, would
04:28:27.480
Depends on how you're defining the word liberal.
04:28:31.020
I think, by today's standards, a classically liberal worldview is, by modern standards, considered
04:28:37.200
conservative, and you're starting to see that benchmark transition very substantially before
04:28:45.840
Okay, so you're saying, like, classical liberal.
04:28:51.940
Because we're engaged, and I think this is pretty important.
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I've previously said I consider myself kind of moderate center.
04:29:09.300
I'd have to go down each issue one by one, because I think...
04:29:24.920
I would have to really go down each issue one by one with you, because I guess there's
04:29:31.980
I guess what I don't like to see is I think people can have a conservative view on one
04:29:36.580
thing and a liberal view on another, and I think it's kind of bad.
04:29:39.980
It's not necessarily bad, but if you know someone's position on one political issue,
04:29:46.600
you shouldn't really be able to know their position on the rest.
04:29:51.380
However, nowadays, if you know someone's position on one issue, you can pretty much guess.
04:29:57.360
A lot of moderate people on the right are for, like, there's that saying of, like, I want
04:30:03.880
a gay couple to protect their pot farm with a gun, you know?
04:30:12.060
And a lot of people, I think, who are very moderate nowadays on the left and right both
04:30:18.480
Most polling is saying that we as a generation within Gen Z are politically homeless.
04:30:23.560
So 52% of us are registering as independent, not as Republicans or Democrats when we're
04:30:29.800
And I think that's going to start to show really substantially.
04:30:32.400
It did in November, certainly, but will again next year.
04:30:35.680
And I'm anxious to see, because I think most people would agree with you, Brian, that it's
04:30:41.800
It's a lot more nuanced and complicated than that.
04:30:44.940
So, I mean, to answer the question, I mean, I would date a conservative girl.
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It's really hard, because, like you said, these are kind of blanket terms.
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Because, you know, someone who identifies as conservative, that can manifest itself in
04:31:08.180
various ways in terms of what they actually believe.
04:31:12.940
I forgot there's this exact term for it, political cohesion.
04:31:23.280
A lot of things are making sense about OF girl now.
04:31:37.580
One last firecracker question for the, I don't know.
04:31:42.940
Um, would you date a guy who's pro, do I want to go here?
04:31:52.660
Would you date, last question, then we're going to wrap.
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Um, because I guess, like, before I was super, like, politically informed, I would say.
04:32:18.120
Like, before, like, years ago, before I even met my boyfriend, like, I was super, like, pro-choice.
04:32:30.300
I don't know, he kind of opened, like, a new perspective to me about pro-life and abortion and all of this.
04:32:37.520
Because I guess I, like, I would date a guy who's pro-life or pro-choice, so.
04:32:43.320
But so, up until you met your current boyfriend, you were pro-choice?
04:32:49.820
And having dated him, he kind of maybe started introducing some more conservative thoughts.
04:33:02.580
I wouldn't say, like, I completely, like, shifted my view.
04:33:05.580
I'm still kind of, like, in the air between the two right now.
04:33:16.420
Um, if, if my boyfriend was pro-life, it depends on how.
04:33:26.060
Like, if he's, like, no, you know, you know what's, then I, I would just be, like, like,
04:33:31.940
I don't think we can see eye to eye on, like, cultural differences and, like, understanding
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So, I think it would just be a statement of his values.
04:33:44.700
But if he could understand circumstances surrounding it, then maybe, yeah.
04:33:53.760
I think my immediate choice was to say, like, no.
04:33:58.320
I think that, I know we talked a little about, about, like, birth controls and things and how
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that's, kind of, been subject to why women are, kind of, more prone because they feel
04:34:07.740
Um, I think that it's not something that should be used loosely.
04:34:11.460
I think that it's, like, these are for serious cases, but it should be available for those
04:34:15.440
cases, um, of, like, SA or anything that happened like that.
04:34:19.440
Um, and again, like, kind of, like, you said how it's, kind of, like, situational.
04:34:23.720
Like, if they're, like, oh, across the board, just, like, always, I think, probably not.
04:34:28.260
But if it's, like, if they understand the situations where you could see that, that could
04:34:34.260
By the way, is this, I mean, is this, kind of, like, dragging the show on to bring this
04:34:47.760
I feel like it's a bit, uh, I want to be considerate of everyone's time here before we get into a debate.
04:34:58.700
I think, um, abortion is, like, a really evil thing, and if a guy is, like, pro-choice on
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that, I feel like they would try to push me to have an abortion if I ever got pregnant.
04:35:08.820
Man, I should have brought some more liberal girls on the show.
04:35:19.020
Uh, I just feel like you're, you're maybe, uh, one against too many, so I, I feel like
04:35:24.860
that's perhaps a bit unfair to you, but, uh, go ahead.
04:35:31.420
Yeah, as long as he's consistent, because, you know, like, I feel like there's some people
04:35:34.440
who are, like, pro-life but against the death penalty.
04:35:41.960
I, I don't think that those two are necessarily the same thing.
04:35:45.840
I, I think that there is, like, a correlation, because it's still a human life, so, but I
04:35:51.540
think that I am ultimately also, like, pro-choice, but I'm also, like, calling it for what it
04:35:58.740
Like, you are terminating a life, so you are committing, like, you are killing a being.
04:36:04.780
Yeah, sure, do what you want, but call it what it is so that you don't try to, um, make
04:36:14.160
And, and actually, I, I would say that in terms of the thing about the death penalty, um, I,
04:36:20.280
I think actually probably a lot of, well, I don't know, it's hard to say.
04:36:22.920
I, I don't know if they've done studies on this, but, um, I think a lot of people are actually,
04:36:28.240
a lot of people are against the death penalty, um, and I could definitely see a lot of pro-life
04:36:32.600
people being against the death penalty, chiefly because if you, innocent people get convicted
04:36:37.680
of crimes, so I think that's one really strong argument against the death penalty.
04:36:43.920
Okay, we'll get to that, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get to that, and then we have to, that's
04:36:47.980
right, the Patrice clip, then we'll wrap, I'm sorry, guys, that we've gone a little long
04:36:51.720
here, but I think it's been a really good conversation, I think we'll wrap in about
04:36:56.560
Okay, so, uh, death penalty, there's obviously the risk of, you know, someone innocent getting convicted,
04:37:01.960
so I think a really strong argument against the death penalty is, hey, in the event of
04:37:06.640
a, someone who's innocent being convicted of a crime, where there's a death penalty
04:37:11.440
potentiality, then, you know, I think that's a good reason.
04:37:15.140
Also, it's actually more expensive, there's more, a burden on taxpayers, uh, to enact the
04:37:21.780
death penalty on someone because there's so many, there's like automatic appeals or something,
04:37:26.780
and then it takes years and years, and it's actually, apparently it's cheaper to just give
04:37:31.360
someone a life sentence, um, so for the, for those two reasons, I, I'm kind of against
04:37:35.680
the, the death penalty, although I suppose there are scenarios where, um, you know, it,
04:37:41.820
it's like undeniable that the person committed the crime, and the crime is so egregious and
04:37:47.100
so heinous that conceivably, perhaps, death is an appropriate punishment, but I think the
04:37:54.560
fact that innocent people have been put to death, and the burden on taxpayers, I think, I think
04:38:00.360
life imprisonment is, uh, anyways, um, anyways, that's a whole, that's totally not related to
04:38:08.740
dating, but, um, yeah, I don't know, I kind of derailed the conversation there, um, did you want to
04:38:17.420
I mean, short answer, I'm marrying somebody who's as pro-life as I am, um, this has been an issue that
04:38:23.480
I learned a bit about growing up, but really didn't encounter until I was studying fetal
04:38:28.360
development in college as part of my pre-med curriculum, and spent months learning about
04:38:33.480
every single tiny thing that happens in the womb, every insane, impossible miracle that has to happen
04:38:39.040
for us to even make it to a point of viability outside the womb, be born, be sitting here today,
04:38:45.780
uh, we could literally spend a PhD course talking about all of that, so I won't, but, uh, I just find
04:38:51.020
it so fascinating that this has become such a polarizing subject in a follow the science
04:38:55.540
society, when the science is abundantly clear about the reality that that's a genetically unique
04:39:02.340
human life that's never existed before, it never will exist again, and 96% of biologists across more
04:39:08.980
than a thousand higher education institutions, most of whom are pro-choice, call themselves pro-choice,
04:39:16.180
So that's an interesting study to go research from Princeton University, uh, but I am extremely
04:39:22.680
I believe that abortion is the single greatest genocide that human, the human race has ever
04:39:27.240
faced, and has stolen one-third of our generation in America, which is unbelievably tragic, continues
04:39:32.920
to steal millions of lives every day, uh, and if your man is not pro-life, go find a better one.
04:39:38.880
Okay, let's talk about Andrew Tate, um, your thoughts on Andrew Tate?
04:39:48.020
I wouldn't say love, but, like, I like him, I like his morals, I like the way he talks,
04:39:54.940
with confidence, he has a lot of common sense, like, he just knows what he's doing.
04:39:59.600
He's a very smart man, and you can just see that from the way he speaks.
04:40:07.960
So, this could be really long, but I'm gonna make it short.
04:40:11.840
Um, I at least respect Andrew Tate for the fact that he walks the walk.
04:40:17.180
He's got, like, three, four-plus girlfriends, you know what I mean?
04:40:20.700
Like, he's killing it with women, and I feel like a lot of times when high-value men give
04:40:26.180
other men advice, they're not, not that they're not slaying it out there, but they're either
04:40:33.120
single, or just, like, not even in a relationship, you know?
04:40:37.220
So, um, I respect him for that, but I, with that being said, I'll probably just let the
04:40:42.240
Romanian government, um, do the talking for me, and shut my mouth.
04:40:46.680
I honestly don't know enough about the subject to have an input.
04:40:49.860
Um, he's said things that I agree with and disagree with.
04:40:55.700
I think that he's being, uh, held, uh, illegally in the prison currently, and I do believe everybody
04:41:06.280
Have I ever subscribed to his Hustlers University or listened to all his clips and everything?
04:41:14.180
I'm, I'm not into that, but I do think he's said a lot of things that the establishment,
04:41:19.240
uh, does not like, and that is why he is being, uh, held illegally, and I, I do, uh, think that's
04:41:35.760
I feel like he does have a lot of common sense and makes valid points.
04:41:39.440
I don't know that I like his character and the act that he plays all the time, so it's
04:41:49.720
Um, I think he's a genius in his own right, and, um, but, like, I also don't agree with
04:41:57.600
everything that he says, and I do agree that he deserves a fair trial.
04:42:01.680
I think Top G is quite fitting for him, but I completely, like, the one thing I completely
04:42:08.500
disagree with is the fact that he says that him, like, cheating on his women is not considered
04:42:14.520
cheating, because he's a man, and it's okay, and it doesn't make a difference.
04:42:20.900
I think he needs, at the end of the day, he needs the Lord.
04:42:30.320
Right, I know, but his brother is, Tristan's a Christian.
04:42:51.060
Um, I've spent a lot of time touching on this subject over the last several months, really
04:42:55.340
before any of the Romanian government trial conversation remotely started, but.
04:43:00.320
For whatever reason, mainstream media has gone after Andrew Tate with a vile hatred, unlike
04:43:09.500
Uh, and I, I wonder how much of that has to do with the assault on masculinity that our
04:43:16.200
I don't agree with every lifestyle choice that anybody makes, any human being, particularly
04:43:21.980
I think there's a lot to be said about promiscuity and cheating and dating multiple people at
04:43:26.440
once that I personally do not align with as my worldview and my perspective religiously
04:43:32.260
Uh, but our culture and our world is hungry for male role models, people who are going
04:43:38.040
to encourage men to embrace masculinity and be the person that God designed for them to
04:43:42.620
And the role that he has played through that process has transformed so many people's lives
04:43:47.580
However, it's very fun to read the headlines with people freaking out about that, uh, and
04:43:52.400
the posts on social media about it, but it just goes to show you how counter-cultural
04:43:57.000
it is to tell a man that they can have value in themselves, that they can become a better
04:44:01.660
version of themselves and embrace who they were supposed to be.
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That's everyone's thoughts on, uh, Andrew Tate.
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All right, Eric, uh, by the way, guys, if you want, uh, we're going to react to Patrice
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So if you want, get your last minute TTS or, uh, super chat in, uh, otherwise, yeah, we're
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If any, uh, super chats come in, we'll get to them after the clip and then, uh, yeah,
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Okay, ladies, if you didn't have a vagina, like say it was a terrible train accident,
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And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away or you're going to die.
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How would you keep your man past, you get a two month guilty.
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I can't leave the bitch right away because she just lost the pussy in a train accident.
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How would you keep your man past that if you didn't have a vagina?
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I'm still gathering my thoughts right now, so I'll pass on to you.
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Well, I guess I would let him sleep with other women.
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I feel like there's other means of things like oral or hand things that you could do.
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I just feel like that's even, I don't know, that's crazy.
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If I went through a crazy accident like that and then my husband was like, can I sleep with other women?
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But so the question is, the question is, you know, terrible train accident, had to remove the, you know.
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Well, I mean, if he's my husband and we're like already together, I feel like I've already done everything that I can do
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and I'm going to continue to be a good wife to him.
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Like, I would not let my man go do things with other women.
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Like, to keep my man, I think like, like, I don't know.
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Like, so I would say like personalities enough.
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Like, you don't need sex in a relationship, I would say.
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I would say, okay, you don't need sex in a relationship, but it's nice.
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And I think that sex, like, if you have sex in a relationship, like, it does, like, bring you closer to your partner, intimacy-wise, but you don't need it.
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I would let him have sex with other women, but I would also still do what I'm doing now that has allowed me to keep my man this long.
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I just love that I can answer this question with the reality that I am marrying my fiancé through biblical matrimony in sickness and in health for better or worse.
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And I think we view marriage as incredibly disposable today.
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How unbelievably shallow for us to suggest that just because you can't continue doing one activity in your marriage, all of a sudden your marriage is going to fall apart.
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Now, I've been getting pussy bean the whole show, right?
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But I give women the opportunity to say, I'm going to make myself worth more.
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But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
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But, you know, I'm supposed to treat you special, but you're just a bunch of holes for yourself.
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No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another bitch that got a pussy to come on in.
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I will say that I've already watched this show.
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But anyways, I want to thank everyone for tuning in tonight.
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Let me just double check here, make sure we don't have any.
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You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
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Thank you to everyone who super chatted and supports the show.
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You guys blew me away tonight with all the support.
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So maybe if you guys want to give me any feedback in terms of do I adjust, you know, how much.
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I'm super appreciative, but the volume was, I felt like a couple people a few times got interrupted by the TTS.
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So I'm going to go back and tinker with it and see if I bump up the TTS again.
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But in any case, thank you to everyone who patronize, supports the show.
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We went a bit late tonight, guys, but it was a very, really good panel, I think.
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Oh, thank you, Eric, the top producer, the top G, the top P.
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BD, okay, okay, I feel like I'm forgetting somebody else.
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Anyways, any women who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram, BD underscore Atlas, if you are shorter Avenatti.