Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #78

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00:06:55.700 long-winded introduction we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your

00:07:00.660 name age and occupation go ahead um my name's abigail um i'm 28 and i am a twitch streamer and i work

00:07:11.060 at an amusement park you said you're 20 28 28 yeah okay and you're a twitch streamer what do you

00:07:19.060 do you stream video games or yeah video games and i just talk about random stuff while i'm gaming

00:07:25.780 okay what's your go-to game um i've been playing a lot of halo and chivalry um and i'm starting to get

00:07:35.860 on call of duty cold war zombies okay welcome my name is farha kalidi i'm 24 um i'm a tiktok

00:07:44.740 creator and i'm also on only fans 24 also on only fans okay can i have you just tilt your microphone

00:07:50.820 down towards you ever so slightly thank you all right what about you um i'm alicia teneja and i'm 29

00:07:57.380 and i'm a digital creator in fashion beauty and lifestyle

00:08:00.500 hi my name is shelby ali i'm 21 years old and i'm a part-time actress model and i'm in school for

00:08:08.900 communications got it sorry what was your age again i forgot to write it down 29 29 and then you

00:08:14.720 my name is shelby ali i'm 21 years old all right what about you hi i'm amber i'm 24 and i'm a creator

00:08:22.380 on only fans okay hi i'm cassidy williams i'm 21 and i'm a recording artist recording artist what kind

00:08:32.060 of music um it's like pop like alternative sabrina carpenter it's a mcgray that type of stuff so you're

00:08:38.940 your singer yeah let's hear something right now yeah what's that song um at last do you know that

00:08:47.900 song cinderella song like no what's it anybody know that song my loneliness i mean yeah that's not like

00:08:57.180 what i that's not what i sing though what do you sing like pop that's not pop okay all right well

00:09:03.660 we'll come back to it we'll come back to it for sure yeah for sure we'll hear some bars go ahead

00:09:08.060 my name is bernadine i am 32 um i am a dating and marriage coach okay welcome my name is tegan powell

00:09:18.400 i'm 19 years old and i am a college student and athlete at kane university as well as a swim coach

00:09:23.160 you're you said 19 yes okay i'm orion terriban i'm a psychologist i run a couple of businesses and i

00:09:32.100 also have a podcast channel called psych hacks get it to 100k guys um and age oh yeah i'm 40 40 okay

00:09:41.000 rock and roll uh madison why don't you introduce yourself just yell so they can hear you louder

00:09:46.480 sure i'm 18 and that's your child correct yeah okay all right i never introduced myself i reckon i

00:10:00.500 should my name is brian atlas i'm 34 years old and i um have host a ridiculous podcast okay so

00:10:07.920 uh we're gonna go around the table once more so please tell us your current relationship status so

00:10:15.540 are you single situationship talking stage relationship uh are you part of a polycule

00:10:24.500 are you married etc etc uh and then just also the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead

00:10:31.880 um it's it's uh kind of complicated like i'm i'm like single i'm somewhat in this situation ship but

00:10:40.820 i'm just not ready to be like committed at the moment um longest relationship i've been in was

00:10:47.480 like two and a half years okay so you're sort of in a situation ship um yeah well i'm more like kind

00:10:57.160 of like unsure about it so you're but you're kind of semi quasi sort of seeing a guy right now yeah

00:11:04.840 how long have you been seeing him um like maybe a month one month okay are you you want more are you

00:11:17.100 happy with the situation ship or well i i was also i also talked to other people um but not but not

00:11:26.700 like hanging out or anything you mean like like just online by the way how do you describe your

00:11:34.500 aesthetic would you consider yourself goth yeah i would say so yeah goth okay is there any other

00:11:39.920 sub-genre of uh appearance that you'd consider you fall under like emo or scene or is scene is scene

00:11:48.380 still a thing i don't know i i don't i don't really like follow any genres i just dress what i like

00:11:54.340 is my chemical romance your favorite band no no no you don't fuck with my chemical romance

00:12:00.960 i've only heard like a couple songs bro hold on hold on hold on but you said you're more goth than

00:12:07.560 are emo is there an emo component no emo is more like they're like emotional and they're they're

00:12:15.420 known for like um okay i'd rather not say for okay i think i'd know where you're going with that

00:12:23.900 um so do you listen to romstein romstein oh yeah he's good well does what i listen to more is like

00:12:33.900 i like deftones i like oh yeah deftones good yeah and um i like some of the newer bands like i like

00:12:42.120 static dress um and a couple others i also like um like goth music like twin tribes

00:12:50.060 mm-hmm i'm not super familiar with goth music but um were you a goth kid in like when you were in

00:12:55.980 school too because you're 28 so have you maintained your gothness throughout your entire life or is it

00:13:02.000 a new development or i would say it's new um because when i was younger um i was i was more like casual

00:13:11.700 um because i um i grew up kind of poor and then i then for a little while i had like a chola

00:13:20.000 phase a chola phase yeah okay i detect a bit of an accent are you were you born in the u.s

00:13:25.560 yeah okay got it um so you had a chola phase then that went into goth do the guys you date are they

00:13:33.860 do you date goth dudes or like do you date like preppy i date anyone you date anybody yeah anybody

00:13:41.980 yeah they don't have to be goth um like usually the type of guys that i attract are like gamer

00:13:49.600 nerdy guys gamer nerdy guys when you go for like a wasp waspy type dude like white anglo saxon

00:13:56.880 protestant like from martha's vineyard martha vineyard martha's vineyard like just a preppy

00:14:03.540 is that like a show i think it's a geographic location but they might it could be a show potentially

00:14:11.080 um yeah i i don't know i'm pretty open to anybody as long as the vibe is good you know

00:14:17.640 as long as the vibe and like there's like attractive like attraction sure but so you're

00:14:23.200 currently in a one month situationship thing is he a get goth dude it's kind of goth too or yeah

00:14:31.800 he's goth too that's like a home run for you like to find a goth dude it's kind of it's kind of

00:14:38.440 whatever yeah okay rock and roll well we can get more into that too but oh you said you're also

00:14:44.580 talking to some other people at the same time is that right yeah but it's is there a goth dating app

00:14:50.760 um there is i want to get on it to be honest um it's called alt scene alt scene it's a dating app

00:14:59.060 it's a website not an app let me just uh download that shit okay i'll have to check it out later

00:15:06.020 is that what is you're on that yeah is that where you met your current situationship no i met him on

00:15:12.880 uh farmers only oh bumble you said what farmers farmers only no it's an up-and-coming dating app i

00:15:21.680 encourage all of you here at the table to check it out i think it's a fantastic place to uh i don't know

00:15:26.920 if i could um i click with a farmer dude fair enough okay sorry all the farmers in the chat

00:15:34.360 she's off market for you okay um moving on vara uh current relationship status

00:15:40.360 wait did you just unplug it i was trying to grab it oh yeah just plug it back in it's fine

00:15:47.700 party foul good time does that that's that was pretty funny um does this mean it's not

00:15:54.000 probably i reckon is it working just speak it speak into the mic is it working yeah i think

00:16:00.840 you're good okay be gentle on the microphone please that's great i'm currently nice to it

00:16:07.080 sorry sorry go ahead go ahead i'm currently single i've only been in one relationship and it was three

00:16:11.760 years long three year three year relationship okay how long have you been single about a year

00:16:17.800 one year and the three year one ended a year ago yes okay got it um any any dates since your last

00:16:27.680 appearance on the show no nothing nothing let me wingman for you i would love that i got you

00:16:36.800 do you destiny yeah i've been trying to there's what's the success on that do we have a date planned

00:16:43.480 i can arrange okay i can arrange are you down for destiny i honestly have more sexual chemistry with

00:16:50.600 this wife i can i can put in a word i'll put in a good word how about that um okay um and but so on

00:16:59.740 last on the last show you said that uh you're virgin um but you're in a three-year relationship

00:17:06.700 yeah um so it was

00:17:08.420 we didn't fuck in it okay yeah did was was there like uh because you know amongst i don't think

00:17:18.380 well i don't know if i've asked if you're religious at all but i know amongst some religious people

00:17:22.160 there's there's loopholes i'm not religious um no loopholes no religious loopholes not religious

00:17:30.060 no okay got it um was was he religious or just he also didn't want to uh um he was christian

00:17:37.160 christian guy okay was he waiting until marriage um yeah all right and uh i forgot if i asked this

00:17:44.940 last time are you waiting until marriage i think i said i was just waiting until i'm in like a stable

00:17:49.140 relationship and that could be marriage or it could just be a high level of trust with someone

00:17:52.800 okay got it although but you you were in a three-year relationship did you not oh but he was

00:18:01.560 waiting is that right so you would you did you feel that with him but he just didn't want to have sex

00:18:07.160 honestly he definitely still would have done it to be honest even though he was i mean a lot of

00:18:13.220 religious people say they're waiting but you know what i mean yeah fair yeah okay but you didn't

00:18:18.980 feel that level of connection with him i did i just honestly i'm just at like a slower track than

00:18:24.060 other people like i didn't even have my first kiss until i was 19 and that's kind of when we met so

00:18:28.020 i was just we probably would have gotten there sure what what do you say to people i mean because you

00:18:33.280 do only fans and i suppose you're on your last appearance that's why it came at a bit of surprise

00:18:38.040 to me it's not often you hear someone who does only fans for example who's also a virgin so i mean

00:18:43.540 what do you say to people who uh call into question or who question you know given the

00:18:50.720 category of work you do that um i would ask them to define what they think intercourse is and then

00:18:58.600 ask how they think that relates to taking photos of yourself because i i don't think there has to be

00:19:03.980 an overlap that's probably what i'd say there there doesn't have to be but

00:19:06.920 only fans gets lumped into sex work yeah which is kind of a very loose term you know so that can

00:19:16.740 mean anything from being a street walker to taking tasteful lingerie photos so i think some people

00:19:25.660 might conflate hey if you do this type of work that it could correspond with um i've met like

00:19:36.820 virgin strippers i've met even like virgin porn stars who do like cgi porn so i would say

00:19:41.380 there's also a ton of christian girls on only fans who are also virgins i would just say like there's

00:19:46.180 a wide range sure uh what about you relationship status longest relationship single and two years

00:19:53.000 okay how long have you been single um i've been single for about a year now about a year okay

00:20:00.620 why did he dump you um i dumped him oh excuse me i'm sorry i'm sorry uh we were gonna do long

00:20:08.640 distance but then he went to business school and we just didn't see it working long term but we ended

00:20:13.540 on a good note where we're good friends that's about it sure what about you um i am kind of talking to

00:20:21.800 someone but it's a little complicated and my last relationship was a while ago longest uh longest

00:20:30.240 relationship um it was like four years ago it was not very long it was not too serious

00:20:35.220 a fortnight fort um was it the fortnight kind of close to that so two weeks is your longest

00:20:42.920 yeah you could say that well hold on just point of clarification what's the longest period of time

00:20:48.220 you've ever seen a guy um it probably like five months just not officially five months five or six

00:20:55.160 months so it was a situation ship yeah pretty much okay and currently you're in a complicated

00:20:59.880 situation how long have you been with mr complicated um it it's been about five like the same amount of

00:21:05.440 time five months yeah oh so you're that was the guy you were talking about i know it was different

00:21:09.760 it was someone else that was last year yeah different five months well you're on the precipice here

00:21:14.540 because your previous longest thing was five months so it's gonna be a victory if we get to

00:21:19.960 the next month why is it complicated um uh because he's just really far yeah dubai no a different

00:21:31.320 country though different country yeah europe no no latin america somewhere far far away

00:21:38.320 um what which country uh or how about continents give us continents if you don't want to be specific

00:21:45.740 um he's in i'll just antarctica huh yeah it's close it's actually very close to that it's very close

00:21:52.200 to that he's doing scientific research in antarctica but uh which where is he at okay it's he's in

00:21:58.720 australia oh okay um so how many times have you hung out in person uh many times when he was here

00:22:06.200 okay uh and do you want are you are you guys in a relationship no no are you seeing other people

00:22:15.380 right now um i mean my options are open but he's probably he's gonna come back

00:22:22.620 what do you what do you mean your options are open like are you going on dates with other guys

00:22:28.540 i'm going on dates okay yeah but when he comes back you're gonna try to make it not complicated

00:22:34.320 yeah pretty much so you want you want him to be your boyfriend potentially in the future does he

00:22:41.680 want you i i think so we haven't fully talked about it yet you haven't you guys been complicated

00:22:48.560 for five months well he was here but then he uh he had to leave so he went to australia and he's

00:22:55.000 going to be back in a few months is he uh he's he's a content creator oh yeah he's from australia he

00:23:01.720 was here uh just doing some work when did he leave uh like a month ago a month ago yeah

00:23:08.500 okay do you think he's seeing other girls um i i don't know probably not probably not yeah

00:23:15.980 how many you said he's a content creator what yeah is he on youtube or twitch or uh youtube

00:23:21.360 how many subs does he have uh are you gonna try to find him no we're not okay oh gosh uh

00:23:27.000 five million five million all right chat no i'm kidding oh my god five million he just went back

00:23:34.140 to australia a month ago um so bad five million you sure he's not seeing any other girls um i'm not

00:23:43.960 not positive but i mean i'm seeing a few other people so it wouldn't be the worst okay you're

00:23:48.960 seeing you're seeing a few other people oh gosh um just here and there nothing serious i i like him

00:23:56.200 so so he's your your main chick main chick he's your main he's your main chick and you've got some

00:24:03.800 side side chicks just having a little fun i mean he's gone right now but i do like him

00:24:09.380 okay how many side chicks do you have i i don't keep count is it a baker's dozen what are we talking

00:24:17.020 about no no it's not too many okay yeah fair enough fair enough three around three okay fair

00:24:23.840 enough yeah interrogating you now okay go ahead what about you um i'm single i've only ever had

00:24:30.120 one relationship and it was for four years but i've been single now pushing three years i've tried

00:24:37.280 dating but it just hasn't been working out for me tried dating hasn't been working out why is it not

00:24:43.040 working out or what do you mean by that it mostly has to do with the fact i do only fans which i

00:24:48.640 completely understand the stigma against it i understand some people can either can view it in

00:24:55.240 a bad light but it also depends on what kind of content you do and i don't do anything too risque

00:25:00.420 so i think it's more so just hard for me to find the right person that respects me the way i should

00:25:06.300 be respected and vice versa sure what kind of um content do you do on of is it bg solo content

00:25:12.680 i do solo content mostly mostly solo content okay that's about it i haven't really done anything with

00:25:20.220 other people okay and i'll just you do only fans do either of you do only fans no okay okay um

00:25:28.460 are you currently like seeing anybody though is there one some guy in the picture who's a sneaky link

00:25:35.380 no i don't do that kind of stuff i'm not a hookup person i don't do situationships if you want to

00:25:41.700 date me you want to date me and that's that i i don't have the time for dealing with multiple people

00:25:48.860 at once it just seems like too much work sure what about you um i'm single i've been in one technically

00:25:57.620 two relationships one was like three months i think and that was actually official the other one

00:26:04.140 was he asked me to be his girlfriend and then the next day he was like actually never mind i have

00:26:09.040 commitment issues i was like okay um but then we were still like on and off just for like two and a

00:26:15.660 half years but he was kind of trash wait you were on and off with the guy you tell him you were on and

00:26:23.780 off with the guy who asked you to be his girlfriend but then backed out the phone yeah so like we were

00:26:30.240 talking also it was really weird so i was 17 almost 18 and he was 20 so illegal um but anyway

00:26:39.500 and so he we were like talking for like a month or two and then he texted me on snapchat and he was

00:26:51.520 like do you want to be my girlfriend and i was in my community college in the cafeteria and i was like

00:26:57.000 sure and he was like okay cool and then literally like that night or like the next morning he texted

00:27:02.140 me and he was like actually like i can't do this never mind but like we can still talk and i was

00:27:08.780 like i was 17 so i was like okay cool so we were still talking and then um i don't know it was like

00:27:16.840 it was so bad like he didn't have a job he was like about to get a felony and um i was just going

00:27:23.880 back and forth like with him and uh i was just like trying to like figure out what was going on

00:27:38.660 i was like paying for his shit i paid for him to get a haircut at one time it was like 40 dollars he

00:27:43.380 said he would pay me back he still hasn't it's been three and a half years um and

00:27:49.100 wait you're still trying to shake him down for the 30 dollar haircut no no i don't even talk to

00:27:56.220 him anymore okay but yeah so you should just look into this camera right here and say give me my

00:28:02.480 money motherfucker pay me josh give me my money motherfucker exposed anyway but yeah so we were

00:28:11.400 just like that's not his name right no it is okay it's okay he's aware he's aware so anyway um yeah

00:28:21.720 we were just going back and forth and um then i just ended it because also i'm from washington

00:28:29.200 and he lives in washington and i live here now so we're just we're done you're done yeah when did

00:28:37.560 that end um probably like last summer it's like almost a year last summer like the end of last

00:28:45.520 summer okay and you get so you guys were on and off again for two and a half years or something yeah

00:28:50.320 something like that um but that ended a year ago what's going on recently anything nothing really

00:28:57.500 closer to the mic please nothing really um i've just been like you know like i'm on tinder i like

00:29:04.520 talk to people tinder yeah any other dating apps bumble that's it oh also hinge but hinge is weird

00:29:10.980 so well i think hinge is actually probably one of the better dating apps out there but um

00:29:16.660 i got banned on it so we don't talk about that okay um yeah so i'm on those so i like talk to

00:29:25.500 people but it's never like led to anything serious so so you got nothing right now in the pipeline

00:29:30.760 anybody on the bench anybody on the roster no i mean i'm talking to this guy um in la because i'm

00:29:38.000 about to move to la so he's like up there but we'll see what happens what do you mean he's up there

00:29:44.160 like you know he's like up on the roster like he has a chance he has a chance yeah

00:29:48.700 is there are there some other guys on the roster there's like guys that text me there's guys that

00:29:55.900 text you yeah but like they don't really have a chance they just text me but they know that they

00:30:02.700 don't have a chance no so you just what do you mean they so like they just text me like they slide up

00:30:08.900 on my story and they text me and they're like what they say i don't know like if i post like a mirror

00:30:14.500 picture they're like oh my god you're so hot let's hang out and you just don't respond i either leave

00:30:19.900 them on red or i send like a heart and that's it okay yeah how many how many of these dudes do you

00:30:25.520 have um that are just texting you like that just text me yeah that are you know are interested in

00:30:32.620 you but you're not interested in them um

00:30:35.660 like right now actively probably like between five and ten but like they kind of rotate in and out

00:30:47.160 like sometimes people will just text me like from a while ago and they're like hey like i'm blah blah

00:30:53.060 blah from tinder and they're from like six months ago and i'm like i don't even know who you are like

00:30:58.140 how do you remember who i am you know are they messaging you on tinder or texting you or either

00:31:03.340 tinder or snapchat yeah okay and are they texting you at like midnight or something on a friday no just

00:31:09.620 like throughout the day but is it evident to you that these five to ten guys are like they're

00:31:15.640 interested in you yeah it's not just like some bullshit fucking no okay uh question do you have

00:31:21.760 a do you have any male siblings yeah i have an older brother older brother okay um does he have like five

00:31:29.440 to ten chicks just no in the shadows wanting to fuck him no it's interesting how that works

00:31:36.680 it's very the male and female experience is uh very very different i'll just say that um okay well

00:31:45.080 maybe we'll come back to that let's keep it moving what about you um i am married i'm married uh my

00:31:53.980 husband and i have been married for 11 going on 12 years so we've been together for like 13 years

00:32:01.360 any kids five five kids wow congrats thank you all right and uh what about you i am single i've been

00:32:09.920 single for about a year and a half and i was in about a year long relationship okay was that in

00:32:15.280 like high school relationship it was uh end of senior year high school going into freshman year of

00:32:20.820 college okay so you've been single for a year and a half yeah just about while you've been in college

00:32:26.880 yes um why is that why is or i mean do you let me let me ask you a different question um

00:32:35.800 do you currently i mean a lot of people say they're single but they have something going on

00:32:41.380 there's some guy in the picture um do you have some guy in the picture no ever since i uh me and my

00:32:48.260 boyfriend broke up i really kind of just distanced myself from all of that stuff and worked on myself

00:32:53.580 nothing dating apps no um i did have some dating apps for a little bit my friends convinced me to

00:33:01.100 get on tinder i really genuinely did not enjoy it whatsoever um and then but uh not bumble i was

00:33:07.640 never on bumble hinges is is interesting like i think that's a fun app but i don't know it doesn't

00:33:13.340 feel genuine to me so i ended up deleting all of them how long were you on tinder for not long

00:33:19.920 at all i don't even know to be honest like it just wasn't something that i was sure did did you

00:33:25.940 go on any uh dates from tinder no no okay you're just on there to check it out and yeah it sucked

00:33:32.400 yeah it's a fair assessment um orion what about you relationship status i am currently unmarried so

00:33:40.360 that's a big one people ask about that on the channel i am seeing somebody okay i have uh had a

00:33:46.560 number of long-term relationships i've had a couple that are between six and seven years

00:33:50.500 and i've had a lot of different kinds of relationships with a lot of different folks

00:33:54.940 so um a lot of experience there okay um what's the longest relationship you've had i had a couple

00:34:02.540 that were between six and seven years okay got it got it and uh you you also have a private practice

00:34:09.740 right uh psychology therapy private practice i do i have a few businesses one of one of them is my

00:34:17.080 clinical practice i am a psychologist i work primarily with men i specialize in men's mental

00:34:24.200 health i have a pretty full roster with that and also with the youtube channel i now talk to men and

00:34:31.140 women from all over the world who reach out for consultations okay rock and roll by the way eric can

00:34:36.080 we check it on his channel do did we get him to 100k oh did you close it out killing me killing me

00:34:45.380 yeah it was pretty close it was on pace to to make it there today so yeah i think i think we probably

00:34:50.400 hopefully pushed you over um so uh okay cool good to know good to know um let me know when you have

00:34:58.200 that eric uh maddie or archduke tell us your what are you doing to that baby what the fuck

00:35:04.900 oh okay got it okay go ahead pull it up 100k oh okay we'll check on later all right go over there

00:35:15.520 go subscribe uh go sub to his channel he's got some great videos guys uh link for that is in the

00:35:20.140 description um okay so i had i had one one of you guys in your messages alicia right um you wrote in

00:35:29.780 your messages um the love that exists in movies is real i believe i in finding my soulmate

00:35:36.640 i believe the right one is there for me just a manifestation away

00:35:42.540 oh yeah so i think i wrote like a rambling of random thoughts but do you have any questions

00:35:52.200 so i can talk more about it yeah so i mean you mentioned soulmate you believe that the right

00:35:57.720 one is there for me yes the love that exists in movies is real i really believe in the one i believe

00:36:04.100 in like a soulmate connection and i i'm the type of person like i don't sleep around i can be celibate

00:36:09.920 for long periods of time so i i really want to like find the one in the next couple of years

00:36:15.660 i have a time limit because i'm indian and i come from a really strict family where they will i don't

00:36:22.200 know if i can say the word but they would like arrange marriage can i say the can i say kill or

00:36:27.780 that's fine right okay well they would kill me if i had only fans that's how strict my family is

00:36:32.720 oh like they would murder me good times okay um but what um you said you have a time limit what so

00:36:43.540 are you would they also annihilate you if you didn't get married by the time you're 35 what

00:36:51.460 probably no they wouldn't they would they would really yeah get my mom you said you're you said

00:36:55.600 you're indian i'm indian your mom is gonna murder you yeah probably or just get you an arranged

00:37:00.960 marriage oh like that's a little different than murder well yeah something okay either either one

00:37:08.960 of the two it's okay so either murder or arrange either murder or being disowned or being forced

00:37:15.860 into a marriage one of the three would it be important to marry another indian i don't think

00:37:21.300 it's necessarily important to them at this point they don't mind but it is important for them to see

00:37:28.040 their daughter have a good partner i would love to have you in my course in my program i have like

00:37:34.820 my students messaging me every other week now saying i'm engaged or married so my heart goes out to you

00:37:40.940 i don't want any courses oh shit okay shots fired shots fired how much you charge for your courses

00:37:47.940 um the original price is 297 but you can get a special enrollment link through my free master class

00:37:55.820 it's um like a whole online course and then the group chat and then i also feature some of my

00:38:02.140 students on my facebook that has been successful um yeah so it's just like a lot of support a lot of

00:38:09.520 information it's a sisterhood and a lot of prayer goes on in the group chat so it's really awesome

00:38:14.700 we go through the process together and we're there for each other so okay all right um but so you said

00:38:22.120 you you don't have issues having long periods of celibacy no i don't but how long have you been

00:38:27.660 celibate well i didn't say i'm celibate right now just kidding i am right now i am celibate right now

00:38:33.020 but the point is what i'm saying is is like i do kind of crave a partner but i'm a oh i'm a

00:38:38.840 perfectionist which comes with a lot of challenges when i see partners and basically having too

00:38:45.020 many options kind of fried my brain and also i'm very much a perfectionist in everything that i do

00:38:50.600 so i'm trying to tone down my masculinity because i am masculine like i'm very much a go-getter i'm

00:38:57.480 aggressive type of girl okay so you're trying to tone down your masculinity that's where you can

00:39:02.860 be identified do either of you have a comment on that i know you've spoken on i think you've spoken

00:39:08.080 on this masculinity femininity stuff sure i think that all men have masculinity and femininity and

00:39:14.580 all women have masculinity and femininity and generally what works in attraction is sexual

00:39:19.320 polarity um you seem very feminine to me just from looking at you but you certainly describe some

00:39:25.040 behaviors that are traditionally associated with masculinity well i think okay so i'm very much a go-getter

00:39:30.260 in my career i'm very out there like i do modeling i do acting i've been on social media for about eight

00:39:35.460 years really successful with that on top of that i went to ucla and i have a degree in political

00:39:40.700 science and business so i've kind of just been like go-getter like a full rounder like really like

00:39:46.420 goes after my dreams like dream chaser but thing is is that i still appreciate a man and i'm still

00:39:52.400 willing to be i'm not traditional at all but i'm more of a moderate does that i hope that makes sense

00:39:58.800 i think so yeah we can talk more about it so yeah that's kind of my two cents but i'm yeah that's

00:40:05.760 me i'm wondering though you said that the love exists in the movies i think it really depends on

00:40:11.500 what movies we're talking about can you give me some examples of that's me just like romanticizing

00:40:16.240 you know and i don't talk about astrology hold on just a sec mike davis donated 200 thank you mike davis

00:40:22.460 i don't mean to make this personal but only in this western backward culture can a hippo have a

00:40:27.860 roster and these females who will shriek at mike davis were seconds away from bursting in laughter so

00:40:33.740 stf you sorry just addressing the elephant in the room

00:40:37.500 do you ever that's obviously directed towards you uh do you have a response to

00:40:46.700 mike davis um okay he's the resident hater by the way okay sorry resident roaster do you have a

00:40:56.440 response to mike davis um i feel like i shouldn't really address this because you don't deserve

00:41:01.120 attention but anyway um yeah i can have a roster thank you you can be attractive no matter what size

00:41:10.900 or weight you are so that's all i have to say preach but i do have a roster you can check my tinder i

00:41:17.760 have over a thousand matches goodbye you have over a thousand matches on tinder yeah okay all right i

00:41:26.140 mean i think uh what one thing though i would point out though is when i think there's two different

00:41:35.240 places that some men might put you so yeah it's not really a w for women to have a bunch of guys

00:41:42.960 that want to fuck you the w is guys who are prepared to uh commit to you who are prepared to

00:41:48.460 be in a relationship with you and who are prepared to marry you yeah um because it's as a woman it's

00:41:54.900 pretty easy to find a guy to sleep with you but yeah it's harder to find a guy who's prepared to

00:41:59.940 commit to you and as i said be in a relationship and be married to you okay moving on uh thank you

00:42:07.480 mike davis appreciate it what were we talking we were talking about the disney movie yeah we were

00:42:11.780 talking about feminine qualities and masculine qualities yeah and i was talking about how like i

00:42:17.800 want to be a little bit less masculine and focus more on being a little bit more feminine

00:42:22.540 did you get that feedback like no no feedback from anybody it's like self-awareness

00:42:27.360 too much self-awareness what is perfectionism because i'm a perfectionist what is the love that

00:42:35.120 exists in movies what does that look like to you like cheesy romantic love so what would a guy do to

00:42:41.080 fall into that category honestly i'm not like hugely materialistic person but those little touches do

00:42:49.520 make it kind of like a movie you know what i mean like the gifts the thoughtfulness handwritten letters

00:42:55.380 roses like it's just cutesy stuff but i wouldn't call myself like the most materialistic girl in the

00:43:00.600 world i have a question for you you said like some of the cutesy stuff handwritten letters flowers

00:43:05.280 etc um at any for example and you're 29 at an earlier point in your life did you ever have a guy

00:43:12.540 ever do anything like that for you get you the flowers kind of any romantic gestures i did

00:43:18.660 were you turned off by that no when you were younger like i said i was very focused on my

00:43:25.500 career and my entire in my entire high school career i didn't even date or touch anybody the

00:43:31.280 first time that i even had my first kiss was i think it was like 19 or 20 so before that i didn't

00:43:36.020 i just i was not like the male species didn't exist to me basically because i was very focused on

00:43:43.480 school and my parents basically i mean they pretty much kept me in a jail cell and i wasn't allowed to

00:43:48.260 do anything a jail cell yes it sounds like a very you had a very strict upbringing i did yeah i have

00:43:56.600 a question so when did your parents feel like you should go pursue a relationship now because first

00:44:02.140 you said they were wanting you to focus on school and career when did they say okay it's time for you

00:44:06.740 to get married they think now is the right time to do do that like on my timeline they think that

00:44:14.660 i should actually not you know holy shit wait hold on yo stay safe thank you for uh rating he's a

00:44:23.300 twitch streamer yo stay safe thank you man by the way guys we're gonna have stay safe on the show on

00:44:27.920 tuesday that's gonna be a good show uh stay safe is a uh twitch streamer and he's a fucking world of

00:44:35.460 warcraft chad solid warlock player too by the way just saying i don't know if you're still playing

00:44:43.240 warlock but uh okay sorry go ahead continue yeah thank you stay safe appreciate it i think that this

00:44:48.820 is like a good time now because for them it was always about like financial independence it was always

00:44:54.800 about like being on your own two feet it was always about like achieving like i come from parents that

00:44:59.460 are like very much into they're very much into achieving your goals and like being a go-getter

00:45:04.840 being aggressive like right you know that's kind of hard to just switch like they want you to focus

00:45:09.920 on school and career and then all of a sudden you know switch your mentality and find the motivation

00:45:15.900 and time to now pursue relationships so i think they can give you a little grace maybe some maybe let's

00:45:22.860 say but probably not because they they move at a very fast pace and if they kind of decide something

00:45:29.980 then they want to like see the result and that's kind of how it worked out for me like in my life

00:45:35.160 like everything has moved really fast you know for social media or for like getting into my dream

00:45:40.640 school like life moves fast there's like basically no like there wasn't like much of like a time lag

00:45:47.820 based on what i've seen like i don't think you have a ton to work on i think you are pretty like

00:45:52.200 pleasant and feminine you know and warm so have you ever slashed a guy's tires no i've never done

00:45:59.100 that all right just wondering tegan you had something go ahead yes do you think that your

00:46:03.200 parents relationship leads by a good example for what you're looking for and no i okay i don't think

00:46:08.780 it does that's not what i want but i do love that they end up together all the time like even after

00:46:14.580 they've been divorced that they're together now and like it's a forever type of love and there's like

00:46:20.640 extreme loyalty those are like good things like i can pick up the good from what they have but

00:46:26.000 there's also a lot of bad that i see and i definitely don't want to like emulate that in

00:46:30.980 my relationships have your parents curled any options for you like in case you need that backup

00:46:36.780 for arranged marriage and also do you think it's possible to find the one via arranged marriage

00:46:39.800 at all or no because you could still have that romantic aspect i'd say it's actually more likely

00:46:43.300 you'll find someone with those traditional values who will court you through that marriage

00:46:46.640 i'm not against arranged marriage necessarily but honestly if it's if it's a right match like

00:46:54.980 the vibes right i don't think that it would feel weird i don't think it would feel forceful but i do

00:46:59.940 think that you know that i have i would have to like date the person first get to know them but it

00:47:04.500 would be i mean i'm open to that if it's the right match did your parents have an arranged marriage

00:47:10.160 they did my parents had an arranged marriage and it was yeah anybody else here at the table their

00:47:14.880 parents had an arranged marriage uh are you indian yeah nice oh okay are you farah are you open to

00:47:23.840 an arranged marriage i mean i'm always open to having options presented for me that's kind of

00:47:28.900 just wingman thing i wouldn't like want them to coerce me into it but you know what i mean i don't

00:47:33.040 think there's anything insidious with just showing you know what i mean potential pairings

00:47:36.360 if i had someone in mind for you for an arranged marriage would i marry them could i become their

00:47:44.300 second wife usually it's the parents that do the arranging of the marriage i think but

00:47:48.640 you can throw the options at me i'd like to know you want i got okay maybe i'll throw something in

00:47:53.900 your direction too yeah my dms are open for certain people um so just going back to the movie thing so

00:48:00.460 uh just show of hands here who has had uh anyone here had someone buy them flowers

00:48:08.260 from a romantic like let let's say not in a long-term relationship but like early on like

00:48:18.300 first date second date maybe third third date someone's show of hands you've been bought flowers

00:48:23.120 early on that's impressed tegan nothing rip all right yo r.i.p's in the chat for tegan um

00:48:30.480 okay so i need to i need to offer goats what um okay that's is that are you talking about a dowry

00:48:37.540 hello um isn't it usually the woman's yeah the woman's family has to do that if it's if it's super

00:48:44.300 traditional what's your dowry but things have changed now and this is the united states so it's

00:48:49.320 like is there a dowry not necessarily it would depend on the family i need listen i need at least

00:48:54.960 a dozen cattle i need farm equipment so there's got to be at least a tractor a plow

00:49:02.460 get me in touch with your dad i'll see what i can do um so okay tegan hasn't had anyone buy them

00:49:09.900 flowers question for those of you who have were bought flowers was it be honest like was it kind

00:49:18.140 of a turnoff yes first day i find it super formulaic and unless i'm expressing an interest in

00:49:23.660 flowers i think it's just i think it's a little bit cringe i'm gonna be honest you think flowers

00:49:29.320 are cringe on a first day if i'm dating someone then now it's a bit much maybe too soon yeah right

00:49:34.580 what about you um i think it's nice um just the only thing is um it's kind of like i kind of have

00:49:42.540 like a limit like like okay this is cool but above that i'm like okay that's kind of corny and i don't

00:49:50.240 really like it if in terms of the gift giving early on uh gift giving um gift giving yeah i like

00:49:59.840 yeah free stuff it's cool okay fair enough um yeah i think it's cute i mean you know i i didn't get

00:50:08.660 turned off by it i actually was like oh that's sweet and that was hard for me because you know

00:50:14.260 it is hard to accept a gift when you're i don't know when you're in your masculine and i feel like

00:50:19.260 i function in my masculine a lot more uh but i was just like oh that's sweet and it wasn't even

00:50:24.700 like a big gift it was just it was just thoughtful sure it was thoughtful and for once i didn't take

00:50:29.260 it as like you know like i'm usually turned on by other things so i was turned on by something nice

00:50:35.020 for once okay what about you uh yeah i like flowers i i don't mind them i appreciate it it's a

00:50:40.720 nice gesture okay maybe a better question is like and i do you lose respect for the guy

00:50:48.640 if he buys you flowers on the first date honestly i think they deserve more respect i had someone after

00:50:56.160 our first date send me a huge bouquet to my apartment and i loved it i thought it was the

00:51:00.620 sweetest thing ever i think showing appreciation for someone is important and it just makes you like

00:51:07.420 them a little bit more okay yeah i went on a date in like january and we were doing like a movie night

00:51:14.980 with like wine and stuff and he asked me what kind of wine i wanted and he went to three different

00:51:18.740 stores to find it and then he was late because of that so then he pulled up and like had a bouquet

00:51:23.960 of sunflowers in the back and like i just thought that was nice wait this was a first date yeah bro you

00:51:34.000 went to three i'm sorry that's that's kind of sad yeah i'm not gonna lie that's that's now like i called

00:51:41.160 him and i was like where are you like it's been like 20 minutes and he's like oh i'm just checking

00:51:45.020 out at albertson's like i went to target to find the wine you asked for and i couldn't find it so i went

00:51:49.920 to this store now i'm at albertson's but i'll be there in a second and i was like okay and then

00:51:54.260 he picked me up and then he was like open the back door and i was like okay so i opened the back

00:51:57.840 door and then there was a bouquet of sunflowers guys stop stop it please don't do that guys okay

00:52:08.020 um all right bernadine what about you sorry did i sit was that your name yeah okay okay i thought

00:52:13.980 i fucked it up there okay people usually get it wrong say bernadette or something oh shit

00:52:17.680 yeah flowers are nice flowers are nice tegan oh you didn't get any flowers all right he's in the chat

00:52:22.500 for tegan um who knows maybe after the show though um orion do you have any thoughts on this do you

00:52:28.120 think it's uh you think it's a bit much to go all out like that and get flowers for a girl on

00:52:33.540 first date i've never gotten flowers so based let's go tegan on this one chad well i was much more

00:52:41.320 romantic when i was younger and i did a lot of things that i saw in the movies and i did them

00:52:48.500 with a great deal of sincerity and it generally did not work out very well for me and it didn't lead to

00:52:55.280 the kind of reaction that i was hoping for uh i think the reaction i tended to get was oh yeah

00:53:02.400 that's very sweet which you know several of you ladies expressed but it certainly didn't lead to

00:53:09.180 uh it didn't lead to sex and it didn't lead to a relationship one of the things that i talk about

00:53:16.460 is i call it the fundamental rule of attraction which is that people want what they want not what

00:53:22.140 wants them okay so there's another principle at play here which is see if you follow me on this one

00:53:31.060 it's not possible to for two people to like each other exactly the same amount do you guys believe

00:53:36.420 that that's true do you believe that the man should want the woman more no so let me talk a little bit

00:53:43.960 more about this so first of all we're saying it's not possible for two people to like each other

00:53:48.620 exactly the same amount oh flan life thank you the 50 gifted we'll we'll do the fit check in just a

00:53:54.100 second man thank you so much for the support appreciate all the uh uh memberships man thank you so much

00:53:59.640 um go ahead so if that's true then that means that there's always somebody in a relationship who

00:54:05.060 likes the other person more and there's always someone in a relationship who likes the other

00:54:08.120 person less i call this person the adorer and this person the adored and they're actually like gender

00:54:14.360 neutral like men could be here men could be here women could be here women can be here and um when a

00:54:20.320 when a person is pursuing when they're showing interest what they're doing is they're putting

00:54:24.060 themselves in the position of the adorer and the adorer is actually where everyone really wants to be

00:54:29.600 both men and women i think that that's actually true and that's because when you're in the position

00:54:34.720 of the adorer you get all of these feelings you get to be with the one that you love you get it's it

00:54:42.320 the thought of them makes your heart race when they don't text you're worried and you're anxious when

00:54:46.880 they do text you're relieved when you get to see them you're really excited and you're into it

00:54:51.120 the person who adores gets to have the emotional experience the adored doesn't the adored has a

00:55:00.080 much greater muted emotional experience because this person gets to be with the one that they love

00:55:06.240 and this person gets to be loved by the one that they're with and that's a very different experience

00:55:10.860 now there are pros and cons it's just not actually better to be the adored or the adorer though people

00:55:16.440 generally have preferences one for the other but when a when a man comes out of the gate with with

00:55:24.440 buying flowers and going out of his way it really does put him in a place of the adorer very easy early

00:55:32.440 and it creates a big gap in that attraction because the fact of the matter is is that no one has like

00:55:38.520 earned that yet and that's why it kind of comes off as uh untrustworthy it's like because there's

00:55:47.860 nothing that the woman has done yet to demonstrate that she's worthy of his affection and so it comes

00:55:54.140 off as even though it's in this um as just kind of like desirous of wanting to be liked

00:56:00.460 which isn't generally why we like people we don't really like people who want to be liked we don't

00:56:06.560 respect people who want to be liked and it's very hard for women to be attracted to men that they

00:56:11.980 don't respect and so by giving unearned gifts it generally reduces a woman's respect for a man

00:56:19.700 which over time it doesn't they can think it's sweet they can think it's cute but these aren't

00:56:25.360 serious contenders for a woman's affections i completely agree i think um kind of what you

00:56:30.360 just said like the woman hasn't really earned it yet so if i just match with a guy off hinge

00:56:33.660 and he immediately brings me flowers without us even talking on the phone i'm thinking

00:56:36.540 he just wants to impress whoever's walking out that door has nothing to do with me so like

00:56:40.140 the most recent time a guy bought me flowers is on a first date i found it cringe on like the fourth

00:56:44.280 date he bought me like a brita filter and a water bottle and i thought that was super romantic because

00:56:48.220 i told him i'm super dehydrated because i never have like drinking utensils and that i found romantic

00:56:53.460 so it's not so much that women don't like gift giving it's i think that they don't like

00:56:56.620 impersonal gifts well what they what i think you correct me if i'm wrong what you really liked about that

00:57:00.960 is that the guy was paying attention exactly it wasn't really that it wasn't based off this idea

00:57:04.920 of a movie of like oh girl flower you know that's true and it wasn't that you really wanted a brita

00:57:09.560 like you probably could buy a brita for yourself it's that somebody was listening to you and

00:57:14.460 demonstrated that with a small gesture yeah yeah i think by definition a gift is unearned like you

00:57:20.920 don't deserve it it's just given to you because out of their heart they just want to give you something

00:57:24.500 i think part of it is as modern women we don't really appreciate flowers as much as women did

00:57:30.040 a few decades ago but yeah if it's a present then that they know you specifically want it feels

00:57:35.900 less generic you know what i mean but a gift is a great idea regardless it's just it feels more

00:57:41.320 specific when it's you know it feels personalized technically i would agree with that i think all

00:57:46.920 gifts technically are unearned to the extent that they're true gifts and they don't come with any

00:57:51.760 strings attached but it's interesting you said um what did you say you said something along the lines of

00:57:57.000 um no gift is it'd be nice if he gave you you a gift well that's part of what i'm getting at is

00:58:03.420 he doesn't really know who you are yet and so what he's what he's doing is he's going through a script

00:58:09.280 or he is projecting an idea of you that may or may not actually accord with who you are and on some

00:58:16.680 level it feels as almost like he's trying to purchase your affection um which generally has the

00:58:23.340 counterproductive effect of lowering attraction but i think like if we were given a gift of like

00:58:28.520 here's an iphone we'd be like yay we'd love it because we like iphone's more than flowers you

00:58:34.160 know what i mean and obviously they're more expensive but we just don't appreciate flowers

00:58:37.240 as much as back in the day could i say something really quick go ahead then i have to uh come in and

00:58:41.820 then i have to redirect a little bit i just wanted to say that i agree i think um i think flowers are

00:58:47.100 great but i think that possibly like on the first date they're probably not the best idea

00:58:51.980 because i think um girls in this case could possibly get used to the materialistic

00:58:57.120 gifts and then they're not going to appreciate the man as much and they're going to get they're

00:59:01.280 going to get used to as i mentioned the gifts in the future real quick go ahead um what about

00:59:08.100 um giving the man a gift or flower yes i mean well i can speak for myself uh because i have done that

00:59:19.080 and i kind of feel like they don't they don't i would appreciate it get me my my chemical romance

00:59:25.580 cd i'm yours forever um okay so um it's just my personal experience with that whole thing i mean

00:59:32.800 i've rarely done the romantic gestures just because i learned very early on that typically it doesn't

00:59:39.900 really work um i i really don't think it's going to in any way it's not going to be the deal maker

00:59:48.260 so getting a girl flowers getting a girl this or that it's never going to be the the deal maker so

00:59:54.580 uh and in a lot of cases it can actually be a detractor if you get flowers or do this because i

01:00:01.700 think a lot of girls perhaps in the days of old but i feel like in today's dating climate a lot of girls

01:00:07.600 don't respect that um and also my recommendation to men is is because of the dating landscape and

01:00:16.180 both men and women are doing this but um a lot of women are dating multiple men uh so i don't think

01:00:24.220 that you should be adhering to your traditional gender roles with women who have as many options

01:00:29.500 as they do and are dating and sleeping with as many men as they are i have a question what's up when

01:00:36.600 you're going out with a girl can't you kind of tell like who she is you could research her you could

01:00:41.460 know like who this human is you can ask too right so but you feel that when you say that you're kind

01:00:48.200 of like assuming that she's just like going around with like 10 other dudes and fucking them like on

01:00:53.220 the spot and you know that she's just meeting up with them like in a target and not going on a date

01:00:58.620 and she's just like doing booty call but like how how do you know like how are you assuming that

01:01:03.320 like how are you making that assumption i just want to know well i mean there there's a few ways i

01:01:08.740 mean first off it is to some degree an assumption because that seems to be the norm it's not every

01:01:15.900 woman it's not every man but it does seem to be the and it's more so the case that women are engaging

01:01:21.000 in or it's more so the case that women are have the capability or the ability to be dating multiple

01:01:29.320 men whereas very there's definitely men that are dogs and dating fucking 10 chicks but the amount of

01:01:36.780 men that are capable of doing that is far fewer than than uh on the opposite side an average guy he

01:01:45.960 doesn't have a roster of chicks an average girl if she was so inclined could have a roster of guys

01:01:52.920 they might not be prepared to give her commitment but she could be sleeping with multiple attractive

01:01:58.660 guys um so i think as a man it's you ought to expect it more um i mean there's also if you meet

01:02:07.620 them on a dating app right away you know they have like an infinite amount of option not an infinite but

01:02:12.220 a very high amount of options um you can sort of look at someone and sort of get a sense for how

01:02:19.340 they move you know uh if they go out and party if they drink you know look at their social life

01:02:25.340 um for example i don't i don't go to bars i don't go to clubs i don't drink so i value that in the

01:02:30.760 partner um but that's not always a guarantee because some very unassuming women who might be very quiet

01:02:40.040 married might be very shy introverted can be putting up bodies like they can be i've known

01:02:47.780 some women who you'd never think just based off their personality and the way they move

01:02:52.720 they have a lot of options so you never can really know you can you can look at someone's general

01:03:01.540 behavior and try to suss it out a little bit but as i've said i've known some very unassuming

01:03:06.680 shy quiet girls who you wouldn't think it but are dating four guys at the same time and sleeping

01:03:14.220 you know so you're still making the assumption like you don't know that if that's true because

01:03:18.340 if you're not asking you're not doing the research like you're you even admitted it you said you're

01:03:22.760 just making an assumption like you just think that way based on like maybe one past experience like

01:03:27.400 you're just it's more than one past experience it's what's i mean it's collective male experience

01:03:32.820 and um it's it's i mean you you know what's going on i've heard from i've heard from women

01:03:42.860 yeah i know and i i mean but i do ask i asked too yeah for like for example i i was on a date this

01:03:50.240 must have been a year or so ago um with a girl and i i didn't outright ask hey how many men are you

01:03:56.300 currently sleeping with but what i did ask was is that it was a first date and she she had told me

01:04:01.940 that she had just i met her on a dating app she told me oh i just got i just got on hinge and i was

01:04:08.680 just asking her about her experience and she's like well yeah i just got on hinge keep in mind this was

01:04:13.200 like a not to be mean to her but she was unremarkable she was not particularly interesting

01:04:20.020 uh she was pleasant but she wasn't charismatic she wasn't a stunner in terms of her physical

01:04:28.120 appearance like an average girl um she had told me she had just down downloaded the app

01:04:32.600 i hadn't the date i went on with her was like her fourth day on the app she'd been on two dates

01:04:39.820 prior to me and then she had two dates planned for the weekend she's an average woman

01:04:44.920 like her male looks equivalent perhaps you can consider me as that would not be capable of

01:04:54.160 securing five dates in a week so i mean i'll ask questions and they'll reveal themselves i mean

01:05:02.280 she may have very well not be sleeping with any of them but the fact that she's going on five dates

01:05:07.680 with i i don't even want that's not worth my time i don't want to deal with a girl who's

01:05:12.260 going on all these dates because if i want to see her again i want to see her on a friday oh you

01:05:16.180 you're you already got another date i'm not interested anymore you need to get out of the

01:05:20.500 city booked and busy santa barbara's not that big like i think it just depends on the type of girl

01:05:26.980 you know like um if she's a relationship type she can have all these dudes coming into her dms but

01:05:34.260 that doesn't mean she'll be interested in them you know um and you know just from my personal

01:05:40.880 experience um i don't know i think um like social media has influenced um like men a lot about the

01:05:49.680 type of girl they want like they want like a supermodel type of girl who's perfect has

01:05:57.120 you know and um also i actually think it's the reverse i think it's women that have higher standards not

01:06:04.320 men like how well i mean i i would say that women generally speaking are pickier than men are and i

01:06:11.840 think there's perhaps a biological uh basis for that but i don't think it's men out here with absurd

01:06:18.880 standards well it's because in my opinion i think women are just more like um emotional beings and men are

01:06:27.440 more logical so like i think if a woman were to like because you know they're i've seen like from

01:06:35.200 my personal experience and i've also seen other women in my life date men who you know where people

01:06:42.640 would look at him and be like you could do better but that's because the woman has an emotional connection

01:06:48.240 with him sure and um where men they the emotional connection comes after logic so they're more like

01:06:57.520 okay what is she what can she do for me what can she provide and things like that you know and then

01:07:04.800 later on then uh emotional connection comes after so i don't think um like women are more picky i think

01:07:11.600 it just depends on the connection i think women are more picky but that's why i'm confused why you'd

01:07:16.480 care if the girl had five dates lined up that week because she even just said a girl can get like a

01:07:19.680 thousand matches pretty quickly so you're probably still in like the top one percent of guys because

01:07:23.600 girls are very picky with who they actually end up going on dates with like their flake rate is

01:07:27.600 extremely high so why would it bother you if she curved like a thousand guys that week and then you

01:07:31.920 guys were the top five yeah well i mean why would it bother me if she's because she's still showing a

01:07:37.200 high level of selectiveness just by the fact you're on the day because it's so unlikely that a woman

01:07:40.560 would go on a date with a guy but i want an even higher level of selectiveness then it's not

01:07:46.240 even actually a higher level well on the first day and then you beat out the guys of that week

01:07:49.920 that's how you earn the next level i suppose but there's something that irks me about i i would

01:07:56.480 prefer a girl that is one is properly single and dates one person at a time on a first date level yes

01:08:05.680 yeah that's that's a tall standard it's a tall order well well if you had if five five five dates in

01:08:13.520 a week i think is a bit that's overkill it's a bit much but if two girls match with you and one

01:08:17.520 wanted to hang out on monday and one on friday you'd curve one of them so you could be fully because

01:08:21.280 that's what you're asking of the woman basically what do you mean you were just saying you want

01:08:25.440 her to date one person at a time even on a first date level so if two girls offer you a first date

01:08:29.040 in one week you're going to curve one of them you're going to reciprocate well i'm i'm more so saying

01:08:33.040 that i think five dates in a week is a bit much oh so it's not five out of like a thousand so it's not one

01:08:39.040 at a time it's just something under five well look i'm i'm i'm a realist in that i i i understand that

01:08:47.680 the dating landscape as it is is that there's a likelihood that if you're just meeting somebody

01:08:54.160 that they're probably going to be there's probably some other people in the picture i i understand

01:08:59.840 that however it doesn't change the fact that i dislike it that you want to feel special i would

01:09:05.440 like the fact is guys are more likely to take up every date opportunity like if you got offered

01:09:09.600 three days that week three dates that week you'd probably take all of them she was probably offered

01:09:13.280 a ton and she said no to most of them still so she's actually showing more selectiveness

01:09:17.520 is my point well i i would agree with you that i think women are more selective but um i'm too busy to

01:09:22.640 go on three dates a week the average guy who isn't hosting a podcast well i can't speak i i can speak for

01:09:31.040 them i would say they would probably take it up to be fair they would take it up i mean i'm just

01:09:35.760 speaking for myself but because you're a high value man well i don't i i don't know if i've uh if that's

01:09:42.400 your assessment of me thank you for the endorsement however um i don't think i've ever characterized

01:09:48.720 myself i i don't like these terms like alpha and high value or high status is it a red pill man or

01:09:55.600 what is it red pill is okay i'm okay with the red pill but um so but what they say let's let's come

01:10:00.720 back i do need to uh shift really quick but we can come back to this conversation so i have a question

01:10:05.440 for the ladies and this is related to uh skincare would you find it hard to focus on a date or maybe

01:10:13.600 find it a little off-putting if a guy just had a giant fucking zit like white head right either like

01:10:19.920 between his eyes like right here or like on his nose um or even like even worse i don't know if

01:10:27.200 maybe you guys have had this if any of you had breakout what if there was like a pimple like a

01:10:31.600 white head or what just some redness like on the lip have any of you had like the pimple like acne on

01:10:37.920 the lip you can get i'm saying like because you can get acne on on your on your lip you can get acne on

01:10:48.160 your lip what's the solution like well so the question is like you go on a date with a dude

01:10:54.320 would you find it hard to focus if there's just a giant fucking pimple right boom right here yes

01:11:03.520 i feel like if he was a great guy and he had good morals and he had a great personality i honestly

01:11:09.120 wouldn't care okay you're lying i'm not i'm not lying i would notice it but like

01:11:15.440 but just continue the conversation have you ever okay but like he could still be attractive and have

01:11:20.480 that so yeah he could get rid of it too yeah i don't know that's that'd be weird but have you ever

01:11:28.000 been on a date with guy and you're like he maybe has like you know a little something on his lip and

01:11:34.240 you're like is it acne or or is it something worse right anybody no bad hygiene i've seen that

01:11:43.840 that you said right here i've been on a date like recently with a guy that had that closer to the

01:11:47.680 mic i've been on a day recently with a guy that had like is it like here and did it did it make you

01:11:53.520 question does this motherfucker have herpes did it did it cross your mind i mean she noticed it so

01:11:59.120 like i i noticed it but no i didn't question if he had herpes and like it wasn't a big deal

01:12:03.600 like okay you see it you notice it it's like okay whatever and then you continue the conversation

01:12:07.920 like they're not like have any of you ever been on the fence though where like because i've

01:12:13.280 definitely been on a date with a girl and there's like something going on with the lip i don't know

01:12:19.600 if it's it could be just acne i don't know and then i was like and then i just never saw her again

01:12:25.520 any has that ever happened to you what no i'm not trying to like get that hasn't happened to me

01:12:30.640 sorry bad hygiene i mean if that what's not the same thing or no it's not is that like a deal

01:12:36.240 breaker if a girl has herpes yes if she has pimples yes that's a help that's sometimes for some people

01:12:43.040 it's not a deal breaker that's fine for them i am just not trying to i'm just not yeah it's reasonable

01:12:50.800 yeah my question for you is that if you like that guy like would you have kissed him knowing that there

01:12:56.320 was a it could be acne it could be the herpes i mean i feel like full okay so it wasn't because

01:13:04.720 i feel like a cold sore looks different than a zit if it's like here yeah i'm talking about the guy

01:13:10.160 that you're talking about yeah i mean yeah okay like you i mean obviously there's sometimes when

01:13:17.040 you can't really tell but it was obvious that it was just as it it was not right herpes so yeah okay

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01:15:13.280 there actually was one time press the button stop it get some help in the middle of all that what's

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01:15:33.280 i used to be pretty uh acne i'd get breakouts and shit and it's just like it's just another thing that you

01:15:39.920 don't want to be dealing with when you're about to go on a first date guys so yeah get your skin

01:15:44.000 care uh figured out okay so uh we can go back to what we were previously talking about or we could

01:15:50.320 do let's do some super chats why not okay hold on i gotta pull these up here we have uh oh puffy vegas

01:15:56.720 last week the girls all gave me one i was curious what these women would write me

01:16:00.160 uh puffy underscore vegas just fyi uh instagram review is uh the trigger for that is through stream

01:16:08.000 labs and it's 4.99 and up so if the girls want though i don't know if you can see him oh hold on let

01:16:16.000 me hide that there here i'll pull that doc i'll pull that back up can you see him in the photo

01:16:24.240 he wants your rate it's too far away you got to do it through stream labs my man is this the guy that

01:16:28.640 had all the pictures with the women in the middle of vegas oh you saw that episode it was that guy

01:16:34.480 puffy underscore vegas yeah puffy if you can just read the description um and uh yeah let me uh get

01:16:40.080 oh frick okay um okay uh we have dragon zombie please invite chase back he's by far my favorite guest i'm

01:16:52.880 not even religious fyi destiny's an arrogant hey okay uh moist critical h3h3 we're never going to

01:17:00.480 accept this podcast they were waiting for a chance to pounce your fans know what's up hey dragon zombie

01:17:04.880 thank you for the uh kind words man really appreciate it um yeah you know uh we had a male guest on the

01:17:10.080 show who uh said some things that uh not not great disavow disavow um but uh look at the end of the

01:17:21.360 day we invite anywhere from like six to ten people to come on the show everyone people have different

01:17:26.640 opinions um the views expressed by the guests and panelists do not necessarily reflect those of the

01:17:34.240 host or the podcast but yeah sometimes people say some wild so thank you man all right we have uh anon

01:17:40.560 here can you ask the girls if a guy owning a gun is a positive deal breaker or neither ps would be

01:17:46.080 cool to see a debate between farah and pale ghost girl mary both smart and logical but totally opposite

01:17:53.280 viewpoints farah are you down yeah for a debate with pale ghost girl mary as you give me a travel

01:18:00.240 stipend this is my second time flying out oh well you'll be back in california right for that travel

01:18:05.280 stipend yeah okay no i'm down yeah okay um so the question is we're going to go around the table

01:18:13.200 is it the deal breaker is it a positive deal breaker or neither um if a guy owns i assume legally owns a

01:18:19.520 firearm go ahead i would say positive because um i would feel protected um so like if there was like a

01:18:28.400 burglary or something bad were to happen i know that you know we have protection

01:18:36.720 i would say neutral to positive i probably want to get one

01:18:40.800 yeah i'd say positive as long as it's not like visible not any like open carry type of thing i mean

01:18:47.840 as long as it's concealed that's fine i don't want to see that stuff but the fact that you have it just

01:18:53.360 shows that you know that you're like protective which is nice it's not really my favorite but

01:18:59.840 more neutral yeah so you'd be uh upset if a guy had a firearm i'm not fully upset i'm more neutral but

01:19:06.400 it's just not my favorite not your favorite what do you mean um i just i'm not a big fan of guns okay i

01:19:13.840 don't like them i don't like violence so okay yeah so it's neutral yeah because if they had it it would

01:19:21.040 it would be okay i'm not fully against it right okay i think it's a positive thing i lived in the

01:19:27.600 south for a while so it wasn't out of the norm for a guy to have a concealed to carry on him so i don't

01:19:33.040 see anything wrong with it okay oh sorry hold on just a sec mount underscore whatever is donated 200

01:19:42.560 don't give my chemical home it's a firearm my chemical home it's a fire that i guess that's your

01:19:49.040 nickname by the way can i um can you give me one of those um those fingerless gloves for me to wear

01:19:56.880 oh can i can i wear one right now

01:20:01.760 do you have a response to mount whateverist good name by the way

01:20:08.240 i mean i don't know what to say to that like oh well okay

01:20:14.320 okay that's it and i'm not a hole how dare you mount whateverist all right is it good is a good

01:20:27.680 look for me guys it's a vibe it's good it's a vibe it's a vibe it matches your outfit sweet i feel like

01:20:36.240 michael jackson okay without the okay never mind um okay uh i think we were here you were telling us

01:20:44.000 about the guns i feel like it's neutral as long as i mean they're not like doing anything illegal it's

01:20:49.280 fine but i'm kind of like yeah yeah it glows in the dark too it glows in the dark wow okay what about

01:20:57.200 you that's a positive and she should take or he should take his woman out shooting at the range or

01:21:03.680 something okay tegan positive okay definitely positive orion yeah i mean it's kind of a directed

01:21:14.080 at the women but what if would you date a girl who has a firearm sure i have a gun hell yeah okay you

01:21:19.680 got a glock what you got i have a nine millimeter smith and wesson all right i was really against guns for

01:21:25.760 a long time so i do resonate with that because i don't like the idea of violence um but as i've

01:21:32.720 gotten older i realized that if violence did erupt i don't want to be the only guy without a gun

01:21:40.080 so i'm not really interested in starting anything but if necessary i will end something a good guy

01:21:44.480 with a gun that makes sense it's good i know i understand that good times good times okay and then

01:21:50.880 we have john smith here thank you man for the uh can you ask the girls with only fans if their

01:21:57.600 parents know about it and if so how do they feel about it so that's just you and you if i'm correct

01:22:04.240 uh i've had an only fans before you've done only fans before yeah okay uh did they know your parents

01:22:10.240 know about it yeah wait you did it before so you don't have you don't do it currently though no i

01:22:16.560 stopped doing it okay um what were you doing on there by the way bg content solo content um well

01:22:24.560 it was it was solo and nudes um but i had like a boyfriend at the time so we would make videos

01:22:32.320 together what's bg oh boy girl oh so it's like it's fucking yeah it's like it's the uh it's the

01:22:41.280 tame way i thought they were toning that down is is this like in the old version you just need to

01:22:48.400 sign like a release form to be able to do boy girl content now yeah um so did your parents know and

01:22:54.880 how do they feel about it did you answer that did your parents know that you did OF yeah were they

01:23:01.520 cool with it did they disown you now your dad my dad would definitely kill you crap um but my mom knew

01:23:09.120 and she she was like whatever she didn't really care

01:23:16.240 what kind of laundry detergent do you i just washed them yesterday what laundry detergent does

01:23:22.800 it smell good it smells like citrus and pine okay um moving on uh go ahead for them yeah

01:23:32.400 uh yeah they disowned you no no oh wait are they asking if they knew okay so they know

01:23:39.520 how do they feel about it um my mom was against me being on social media in general when i first

01:23:45.200 started it's not specifically about only fans she was more so worried about me like lowering job

01:23:48.880 prospects but now that it's my career and it's like lucrative she's pretty on board sure

01:23:53.040 um my whole family pretty much knows it's not that they necessarily like that i do it but

01:24:00.720 i live a happy life and if i'm happy they're happy good times good times okay we have uh

01:24:08.720 zormance

01:24:11.600 i'm a four or five attractiveness i make over 200k a year and i feel i'm a good partner but i'm

01:24:16.080 chronically single i'm curious what the girls would say i should do to attract a good partner

01:24:20.480 girl in blue i can arrange a marriage for us right now um he says he's a four or five attractiveness

01:24:27.040 but uh 200k a year but he's he says he's a good partner he feels he's a good partner but he's

01:24:34.240 chronically single so first off do you take him up on his marriage proposal are your dms the ring

01:24:41.760 the dms are open here zormance i'll propose i'll be your proxy i will be your proxy zormance okay this

01:24:49.440 is on behalf of zormance i'm not actually asking you to marry me will will you marry zormance yeah

01:24:57.440 okay cool that was so easy wow except i didn't get to comment on anything else i'm not done yet

01:25:04.560 oh okay there's more wait there's wait it was a yes with a but oh yeah of course there's always more

01:25:10.000 to say why is he chronically single what's the catch uh how tall are you are you are you like five

01:25:16.240 foot like you already said yes so zormance if you're still in the chat she's she's asking why

01:25:22.480 you're chronically single and uh he was he's asking what the girls would say i should do to attract a

01:25:29.040 good partner um that's a bit of a vague question um i don't know it's a little too vague here but uh

01:25:39.600 what should they do to attract a good partner well i think uh she would say that you should

01:25:45.680 listen to um jimmy world and my chemical romance that's not really goth though deaf tones right

01:25:52.560 deaf tones i like deaf tones you gotta i'm not a goth girl yeah i think so i think unanimously the

01:25:58.080 panel can agree he should listen to deaf tones if he wants to get women right yes i like deaf tones now

01:26:05.200 okay all right uh so zormance she's asking she's open to the marriage proposal she said yes but she

01:26:11.680 wants some more info how tall are you and why are you chronically single and then we have doc vanabless

01:26:16.880 here i disagree with the no flower brigade if a man brings flowers on a first date it is information

01:26:22.640 about the man rather than the woman the message is red rose classy date six pack scrappy date nothing

01:26:28.880 well you get the picture not really a gift um wait so you're in are you in favor of the uh

01:26:36.480 the flower he's in flavor of the flowers he said he thinks it's uh it creates a good image for the

01:26:45.920 man as opposed to him trying to please the woman okay all right doc vanabless thank you and then eric we're

01:26:55.200 we're gonna do the uh instagram review for this guy because uh puffy vegas just for future for future

01:27:00.720 reference um if you want us to do an instagram review um you hit the threshold on youtube but we

01:27:06.160 do ask that you do it through stream labs because youtube takes 30 so you donated 500 but you gave 200

01:27:13.680 of that to youtube and just fyi um so uh yeah we'll do we'll do uh your review eric if you can pull that up

01:27:22.560 and uh whenever you're ready

01:27:32.320 all right um puffy vegas here he wants the girls at the panel to what did you want you wanted

01:27:40.640 you wanted a a rating a rating on a one to ten scale scroll down all right so that's puffy vegas

01:27:48.400 i assume he puffs and he lives in vegas um that's him with girls keep scrolling down

01:27:57.520 okay yep my dude how many wives do you have okay so keep scrolling down all right okay all right yep

01:28:09.040 yep yep that's a bunch of photos blurry photos of chicks okay i feel like it's the same woman

01:28:18.800 right i think i think he's got like the same he's got

01:28:25.040 scroll back up just a little bit scroll back up okay so stop there look he's the on the the two on the

01:28:30.560 right that's him that's puffy vegas uh really quick one to ten i assume he's he's a two okay

01:28:42.720 yeah like four bms beyond my scale

01:28:48.000 like he's a 10 or he's beyond my scale can't can't compare just beyond

01:28:53.680 so like in the negative no like above above oh he's beyond he's so so great so great so brave

01:29:01.840 okay go ahead probably a three all right three i'm married i don't rate other men fair enough

01:29:08.400 i'll give him a 2.5 okay all right do you want to rate him i'm not going to rate him but i would say

01:29:14.640 that that i think what he was going for with all those pics with the other girls is trying to cultivate

01:29:19.840 social proof um i i mean one of the first things that you asked after you accepted the proposal was

01:29:26.320 well why are you chronically single um i don't think that women generally want men that no other

01:29:31.920 women want and i think what he was trying to go for there is that there's lots of women that are in my

01:29:36.880 life it doesn't seem like it really had the desired effect there well it didn't look like a

01:29:41.200 wholesome friend setting it looked a bit more like you know what i mean he was definitely going

01:29:45.760 out and i think the idea was i'm going out having a good time with all of these women and

01:29:49.680 you could be the next one if you're lucky yeah i wouldn't say that's a green flag if it's like him

01:29:52.960 and his female friends out at a restaurant i think that's more of a green flag if you can maintain

01:29:56.000 like healthy female friendships but i think just taking pics with like random girls at a club

01:29:59.520 is less attractive um do that like where they try to like brag about how many women they get so they

01:30:05.520 seem more desirable yeah especially the girls on the street in vegas that you have to pay to take

01:30:11.280 pictures with because those those definitely some of the pictures in his instagram i don't have an

01:30:16.880 opinion because i feel like if men have too many followers and girls are like oh then that means

01:30:22.800 like you're a hoe you're just like sliding into everyone's dms and then if they don't have social

01:30:27.120 media then they're sus because they're so secretive and then if they do this then it's like this sucks too

01:30:32.800 so i feel like each scenario has its pros and cons well i would say given my two cents on his profile

01:30:41.440 dude rather than show yourself with a bunch of women try to cultivate a narrative with an emotionally

01:30:47.040 compelling lifestyle that makes it seem like you do more than just go out and talk to random women on

01:30:52.560 the street yeah hopscotch you know jump rope what i don't know what there's to do in vegas rock climbing

01:31:03.280 mountain climbing i'm from las vegas there's a lot of oh you're all right and then we have one here

01:31:09.680 from zormance oh he's back okay let's get that one while we have it up um i'll re-trigger it

01:31:17.520 maybe saying chronically single was an exaggeration i've been in three relationships over the past 10

01:31:21.840 years first one just didn't work out second one wouldn't commit to marriage after five years

01:31:27.360 third one was abusive girls don't swipe on me i'm five seven by the way okay um he's five seven

01:31:36.480 is that a deal breaker

01:31:39.680 i can be shallow what's that i can be shallow you can be shallow okay that's what i was going to ask

01:31:45.440 her so you're a hopeless romantic you believe in just like i am i i am a hopeless romantic however with

01:31:51.280 still have some standards just like you you're not you're not like giving it up to just anybody

01:31:56.240 right so i also don't want to like just like be with a lifelong partner with just anybody but like

01:32:01.520 i realize like my age and everything and for example like okay so i passed for like way younger anyway and

01:32:08.560 it's not like that big of a deal but the thing is is like of course like if you ask somebody who's

01:32:12.560 like a red pillar on this podcast they'll be like oh she's 29 she's fucked but it's like

01:32:17.440 like you know it depends on who you ask and it also depends on like what type of man you're going

01:32:22.160 for i'm not i it's not like as if you know i'm not sure if i'm interested in a guy like andrew tate

01:32:28.160 who you're gonna marry him and then he's gonna go and fuck other women in front of you so okay so

01:32:32.800 you don't like necessarily believe in just one you believe there's like a pool of one that's not

01:32:36.160 like a soulmate thing no i do i believe in one forever partner i'm not i'm not about that whole

01:32:40.960 thing where there's like oh no like you know you have like multiple partners like i i'm not for

01:32:45.280 like that i'm for mononomy i guess more so i meant like let's say you had that chemistry with someone

01:32:49.360 but they were shorter or do you think they couldn't be the one if they could they they could it's just a

01:32:54.480 preference it's like it's just a preference just how like wait how tall are you 411 so how how tall do

01:33:02.480 you want the guy to be like i usually i date like six foot and above but i have dated guys that are

01:33:07.920 5'9 i made an exception is it hard for you to be like sexually turned on by them if they're below

01:33:13.120 six foot or like what's the reasoning i guess i honestly i think i find it attractive i i personally

01:33:20.000 find it attractive but that's not what i go for immediately there's like a whole range and list

01:33:25.920 of things that i find attractive in a man meaning like his personality obviously comes first i think

01:33:31.760 personality values personality values you know the whole package matters to an extent um but obviously

01:33:40.080 like if we're just talking about height like of course i'm gonna say like my preference is like

01:33:44.000 5'11 and up but does it mean that i'm gonna it's a deal breaker no of course like i'm five seven so

01:33:50.160 like someone that's like six two six three someone that's five six is gonna be like the same difference

01:33:56.320 to you i know but they go for me they love a short girl so it's like mutual it's not like it's not like

01:34:02.000 i'm like yo like you know actually um there's some there's um a lot of like guys who are you know six

01:34:10.320 foot that you're looking for they don't want um short girls because um they say because when they have

01:34:17.840 children with a short woman then it will then their child will be short i didn't i like short

01:34:26.720 chicks not gonna lie i didn't have that problem yet like 410 hook it up anybody know dwarfs by the way

01:34:32.400 411 does anybody guys love wait who's 411 me i know i'm 411 too don't hate on us be on our side

01:34:45.840 but i mean personally i don't care as long as the guy's taller than me he doesn't have to be

01:34:50.880 six i'm sorry zormance i'm gonna have to swoop dude you're 411 will you marry me

01:34:56.000 yeah maybe sweet catch oh it's abusive already i thought you'd no d1 babies for you

01:35:09.200 congrats congrats guys all right put on the ring sweet that was like a pretty shitty toss too i don't

01:35:15.200 think it was like a hard throw i actually i was coming at me right now i i'm rescinding my

01:35:20.960 proposal my proposal because you you don't have the reflexes i'm sorry i'm looking for a woman who

01:35:27.840 has good reflexes who could assist me in the zombie apocalypse scenario oh that's a good question for

01:35:34.960 the table in the event of a zombie apocalypse do you persist do you you know you try to survive or do

01:35:45.760 you just at the start you're like i'm out and you delete yourself let's start with you um i would for

01:35:53.920 sure try to survive also like personally i have i do think about a possible like um disaster happening

01:36:04.480 so i i'm interested i do have like cases of water saved up um and i also plan on having like

01:36:13.920 food kits survival kits um you know kind of like how are you a prepper a little bit just a little bit

01:36:24.160 but how much canned food do you have at your house right now i i do have a lot of canned food and like

01:36:29.920 do you have an underground bunker what's going on no i would like to though okay i'm i would like

01:36:36.640 too also relationship goals okay um farah what about you would you just would you try to survive

01:36:46.560 in the event of a zombie apocalypse or you just don't want to deal with it i'm going to take

01:36:51.520 yourself out oh yeah no i'm a quitter but farah yeah i don't have the energy you don't have the energy

01:36:58.480 you seem like a strong individual though so i feel like you have the constitution to like

01:37:03.200 try to survive through a zombie apocalypse survive for how long like let's say you like

01:37:08.720 what's the what's the light at the end of the tunnel also just to be clear this is more of a walking

01:37:13.600 dead scenario and and not so much a uh the last of us because those zombies are pretty hardcore

01:37:19.600 i'm not familiar with either reference can you get it together yeah um it's like the zombies are kind

01:37:25.680 of like poverty they're poverty zombies whereas like the last of us zombies are pretty hardcore

01:37:32.720 poverty zombies like poverty not literally poverty but they're just like shitty zombies

01:37:39.280 like okay hold on the zombies back to the zombies there's like these weak zombies that are like

01:37:48.320 really stupid and they don't move fast that's how you see impoverished people huh that's how you see

01:37:53.280 impoverished people it's you're you're overthinking about it you're overthinking about it but yes i'm

01:37:57.760 gonna be cancelled by the poverty poverty people i guess poverty like you anything could be pot like

01:38:05.040 poverty pizza that sounds bad it could be like this what is that like poverty it's not it's not a it's

01:38:11.760 not this isn't a term your classism is coming out no no no it's okay you're you guys are overthinking

01:38:17.040 i don't care what type of zombie they are i'm taking myself out you can yeah

01:38:20.000 i'm just saying like the zombies the zombies that were in uh the walking dead we've had ways to

01:38:30.000 combat that shit for over a thousand years you just need a phalanx phalanx phalanx like 300

01:38:38.880 like an art like a 300 spartan army you just need a phalanx and long spears and you're good

01:38:43.840 those are easy those are easy zombies to deal with the point i'm trying to make is is there's

01:38:50.160 different degrees in like the zombie universe there's different degrees of like zombie-ness

01:38:56.640 i appreciate you trying to motivate me to like not self-delete but like i'm not going to carry

01:38:59.920 around spears and fight zombies that's like bro what if you have kids what about them if you have

01:39:05.600 kids are you going to try to survive you're going to take i'll take them out first and then myself what

01:39:12.880 the bro how are you going to do that to your kids they're going to be traumatized survival

01:39:21.680 think about like days of past where like there's warring tribes and you're going to do that to your

01:39:28.000 kids you're going to take them out to spare them the potential trauma of a zombie apocalypse what is

01:39:35.040 this yeah please i want to do that too this is like really important okay all right moving on

01:39:43.440 um okay uh that was from zomance oh five you said you were five seven but you need a guy who's like

01:39:51.120 five eleven she's four eleven i'm four eleven oh oh no he's five seven okay got it um so was someone

01:39:58.240 raising their hand did you want to come in on something no okay show of hands just really quick

01:40:03.600 from you guys did you survive in the try to survive in the zombie apocalypse yeah yeah show of hands

01:40:11.440 sure yeah oh far depend on a guy for help i feel like at first all right rock and roll all right we

01:40:17.360 have kw motor works thank you man here's a question to these three foes think lizzo is beautiful question

01:40:24.480 mark if so they need to they need to be addressed as lizzo one seven but not you in the halter top

01:40:31.920 skip her what i'm confused does he speak english um hello

01:40:40.960 okay just show of hands do you think lizzo is beautiful lizzo's yeah show of hands show of hands

01:40:46.000 if you think lizzo is beautiful physically beautiful

01:40:51.600 okay thank you kw motor works for that interesting question um oh hold on

01:40:59.840 uh zormance thank you for the donation man brian she's all yours i rescind my proposal

01:41:05.120 i think i might be better single girls like her are why i'm single

01:41:08.160 oh do you have a response to zormance he's rescinded his marriage proposal 200k a year

01:41:16.080 fyi is it because he was too short you're 4 11 hello he's like eight inches taller i'm pulling guys

01:41:23.280 that are six foot and above where's the ring well when i'm ready then i'm gonna pursue that when you're

01:41:31.520 ready i thought you are ready parents are ready it doesn't mean i'm ready what about it what if he has

01:41:36.880 like every quality you've ever wanted yeah i i said i've dated guys that are 5'9 i have so i had

01:41:44.560 all the qualities that you desire i'm okay with a guy if he's 5'9 yeah i can make an exception wait but

01:41:50.560 you're saying you're saying you oh you've you've dated the guy who's 5'9 so you think 5'9 is short

01:41:55.680 i do that's like average male height in the us i think he's taller than you that should be he's

01:42:02.400 enough he's 5'9 is that i'm pretty sure it's the average so was there something wrong with having

01:42:08.240 high standards i thought you know what's interesting you know what's really interesting though i found

01:42:13.360 that like women who are like five six it's like they'll date a guy who's a few inches oh fireworks

01:42:20.080 um it's usually like short women that really insist not all short women but short women really insist

01:42:30.000 on a guy who's like six foot exhibit a okay um so zormance thank you there um all right then we then

01:42:41.760 we have sweet tooth that mia wanna needs wannabe needs more education she doesn't understand

01:42:49.280 the simplest concepts i love how they never elaborate like they just want to neg me like they

01:42:53.440 never elaborate on what point i'm missing what education i need they just want to say like

01:42:58.000 you just need more like more in what category nothing sweet tooth she's asking for clarification

01:43:05.680 on the education with which she needs okay can we call her farha by the way she has a name please

01:43:13.920 right you'd appreciate that you didn't even butcher it thank you did i say it okay yeah okay cool all

01:43:19.360 right jace theon thank you man at farha i think you're cute and i and i would go out with you question

01:43:24.880 mark he would go out with you question mark and how how tall are you and i would take myself out

01:43:32.560 oh my god that's really romantic yeah he would also join you in this we're both little pussies i'm five

01:43:38.720 four all right um did you say that was romantic that he would join you in your uh he can kill me and my

01:43:47.040 kids in the group yeah against the poverty zombies poverty zombies yeah it's not a classic thing it's

01:43:54.720 just like a i don't know how to explain that term okay just like weak zombies yeah like competent

01:44:01.760 zombies they're poverty zombies okay um all right thank you jace for that um oh so would you go out with

01:44:09.040 him though and that did you say how tall you are yeah five four oh five four okay i believe that is

01:44:15.360 the average female height nice word okay so oh we were talking about the rating scale because

01:44:23.920 fuzzy vape what is his name puffy vegas how did i that up um i don't know guys my neck is

01:44:33.440 scuffed i'm my neck's bugging so i'm kind of out of it i got a bump and headache um let's go around

01:44:39.040 the table what do you rate yourself in terms of physical appearance on a scale of one to ten let's

01:44:45.680 start with you go ahead like maybe like seven seven okay farra did i say it right that time no i i said

01:44:59.040 it right before but okay farra yeah okay honestly i'd give myself like a ten okay yeah is that what

01:45:07.200 you gave yourself last time no last time i said one ah so it's dichotomy next last time you felt like

01:45:13.040 a one this time you yeah you're feeling fantastic you're feeling fabulous okay so far as a ten what

01:45:19.360 about you um oh rating yourself a scale of one to ten just physical looks not like the total package

01:45:27.440 personality five okay i think everyone's beautiful i personally don't do ratings i don't do them

01:45:34.880 you don't do ratings no so you're a ten is what you're saying you could say that i didn't say it

01:45:41.440 so i why don't want to put words in your mouth yeah i don't do ratings so you don't i think everyone's

01:45:46.800 beautiful and i just it's not my thing is everyone equally beautiful i yes in my opinion everyone's

01:45:52.800 equally in my opinion yes really so there's nobody at this table that is we're all just equivalent

01:45:59.120 attractiveness well i i think there's different like levels of attraction but i think that if you

01:46:07.040 look into it everyone is beautiful in their own way sure sure okay well we'll come back to that what

01:46:12.240 about you um i'd say like a solid seven solid seven okay i'm gonna agree with her i feel like

01:46:20.960 everything is kind of based off of like personal preference it's such a cop-out no no but just for

01:46:26.000 the sake of this i will say seven but i know i'm gonna get lit up in the chat so we can just be okay

01:46:31.520 all right seven all right uh bernadine i've ever rated myself i'm old i'm in my 30s i don't know six

01:46:40.880 okay things on my 12 so i'm good tegan 6.7 but when i get tan i'll give myself a seven when you get

01:46:49.520 10 you give yourself a seven right uh i guess we can rate ourselves orion i would think somewhere

01:46:56.160 in the eights okay i give myself a six six point nine on a good day i'm a seven with this thing

01:47:06.320 that it's not mine by the way in case you guys are wondering flam life i'm six foot six but i'm

01:47:10.320 a ginger rating we'll do flam life really quick uh merci beaucoup pour le canadian uh 55 uh c'est

01:47:16.240 c'est vraiment genial ça merci flam life um he's six foot six but a ginger what's his rating go quick

01:47:23.520 10 10 quick everyone shout it out blurt it out eight i give you a 10 flam life six foot six giga

01:47:32.720 chad can i hook you up with flam life he's six foot six he's actually really tall for me but oh he's

01:47:39.280 too tall i said i might be oh you're down flam life can i hook it up she's 4 11. okay um

01:47:49.040 so wait you don't believe in the rating system no i don't you don't okay um why why is that um as i

01:47:56.800 mentioned i just believe um everyone was born beautiful uniquely made and i don't think there's

01:48:02.640 a reason to rate people um everyone is born beautiful i'm christian so i just believe that

01:48:10.960 everyone has their own i mean this kind of diverts a little bit but like their own purpose and everyone

01:48:18.000 i mean everyone is born already um basically just beautiful so i don't think there's a reason to rate

01:48:25.920 people and bring them down or yeah i don't i don't like the bringing down aspect of it well i don't

01:48:31.280 think it necessarily brings people down but i i feel like it could it could yeah i agree with you

01:48:35.840 actually i think that everybody can be beautiful but i think it would be naive to say that we're all

01:48:41.280 equally attractive yeah i agree with that great the attractive aspect so i think what we're getting

01:48:46.480 into is sexual marketplace value so i have a some interesting takes on this maybe i can share them at

01:48:52.640 this point so uh i think that there's a few different ways that we can approach this and i

01:48:58.000 think it's generally done with not a lot of nuance i think that everybody kind of has a what i call a

01:49:04.080 normalized sexual marketplace value which is sort of like according to the standards of the culture

01:49:09.280 in which you live how well do you measure up on the most important dimensions to the opposite sex

01:49:16.240 so a number of the things that you've brought up today are like height this guy led with his

01:49:20.480 socioeconomic status he makes two hundred thousand dollars a year so these are things that i think

01:49:24.640 would be on normalized sexual marketplace value for men for women it would be their physical appearance

01:49:29.920 their age things like that but no one really knows what their sexual marketplace value is because

01:49:36.160 all transactions are based on perceived sexual marketplace value like i got a thing for cute nerds

01:49:42.000 that's my thing and that's not necessarily what the culture tells me women are supposed to look

01:49:48.240 like in terms of their archetypal beauty but that's something that's really interested interesting and

01:49:53.200 attractive to me and you never really know until you engage a person how they perceive you in terms

01:50:02.160 of your general attractiveness just because you don't accord with the the socialized normalized

01:50:07.520 sexual marketplace value doesn't mean that you can't be highly attractive or conversely just because

01:50:12.480 you're six foot four and you make a lot of money doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be very

01:50:17.040 attractive to certain women right yeah but the kicker is that you really only know your sexual

01:50:23.920 marketplace value when you get into a relationship so it's like i had a i knew somebody that i was very

01:50:32.240 close to she was an artist and she had never sold a painting before and she started by offering her

01:50:39.200 paintings for a hundred thousand dollars which god bless her you know i love the the courage with that but

01:50:44.800 it just wasn't really realistic that someone was going to buy a piece of art for a hundred thousand

01:50:49.040 dollars from an unknown artist um it was only when she began to bring down that price that we got to

01:50:56.560 see what that painting was actually worth and that only occurred because somebody was willing to pay x amount

01:51:02.960 for it until then the actual price or the value of that painting was kind of like just pure potential

01:51:09.280 we only really realize worth in the moment of transaction which can only occur between two individuals

01:51:15.840 so you're saying okay so then let's say the girl gets into a relationship then how do you determine her smb from the guy's status

01:51:23.680 yes so i think that you can kind of in this framework determine a woman's sexual marketplace value

01:51:30.080 by the normalized sexual marketplace value of the men who are willing to get into a relationship with her

01:51:35.280 and you can determine a man's male sexual marketplace value by the normalized sexual marketplace value of the

01:51:39.600 women he is able to sleep with okay what if she's gay how do you determine her smb i don't i don't know i

01:51:46.480 guess you could do it i think most of these concepts apply also to gay relationships but i don't know if lesbians

01:51:53.200 are hypergamous uh they are really big on commitment there's an old joke about what does a lesbian bring to a

01:51:59.200 second date and it's a trailer because she's moving in so there there's takes all kinds but there is a

01:52:06.720 my understanding a big bent in lesbian relationships towards commitment okay i just feel like in high

01:52:14.400 schools and colleges like people kind of date people at their school they're probably like in a similar

01:52:20.000 income range so i don't know how you would determine like the smv of like a college sophomore is

01:52:23.840 dating another college sophomore who are both kind of an equal amount of college debt and you wouldn't say

01:52:28.000 she has low smb because she's dating a guy in debt and not getting scooped up by a millionaire right

01:52:32.400 so it does not kind of make your definition of smb kind of irrelevant to most dating instances no because

01:52:38.880 i think it's based on the context in which you exist so we can say that people might have a normalized

01:52:45.040 sexual marketplace value for the culture at large but maybe the culture that and the context that

01:52:49.840 matters most to you is your campus or maybe it's even just like the people in your homeroom class

01:52:55.120 like there's all kinds of hierarchies within social systems as soon as more than two people start to

01:53:00.560 relate to each other okay so then you would then judge it based off like okay is that guy an athlete

01:53:05.760 is he like doing well or like what would be in high school yeah that's that's the stereotypical one it's

01:53:10.240 like who is the big man on campus is the quarterback right sure now does this guy can he compete with

01:53:19.200 somebody who's 35 makes a million dollars a year well it just depends on who what the woman is

01:53:25.360 looking for you know she might be so involved in that context that she will actually choose the

01:53:30.320 quarterback over somebody who makes you know hundreds of thousand dollars a year

01:53:36.720 i think it really depends on the context all right um oh and one one more thing and i think this is why

01:53:42.400 this is great advice for guys uh especially maybe the shorter kings out there five seven uh is find

01:53:49.520 a context in which you can shine like you can be a contextual alpha i know you might not love that

01:53:55.360 term but you can definitely have a higher sexual marketplace value in certain contexts versus others

01:54:01.920 word by the way do you want your glove back i'm kind of no no it's kind of okay here you go

01:54:07.440 was that shitty throw too okay uh do we did we get any chats eric any chats let me check

01:54:16.400 oh here we go oh fit check we got to do a fit check um hold on let me get through these we got

01:54:21.280 yo davon jackson long time supporter thank you man good to see you in the chat to the hobbit why should

01:54:26.960 a man shorter than his bloodline oh excuse me shorten his bloodline for you besides the two obvious

01:54:34.800 reasons well thank you um well i i mean they tall guys like me but like i said it's not a deal breaker

01:54:44.400 but also i'm worth it so why not wait tegan did you want to say something oh you just looked like

01:54:48.880 you're chomping at the bit there to say something um well i kind of wanted to come in i think on the 10

01:54:53.920 the one to ten thing there um so i mean you say that you don't rate people based off of a physical

01:55:00.960 appearance uh-huh i don't how tall is the guy that it's complicated with i actually don't know

01:55:07.680 i i'm not very good at telling height so i'm not sure if you have to guess um maybe five nine

01:55:17.120 okay yeah fair enough um you don't care at all about his physical appearance um

01:55:22.320 i he's attractive for sure but well hold on i thought everyone's equally attractive well no i

01:55:29.440 i did mention that i think there are levels of attraction but i think that everyone is

01:55:33.360 born beautiful in their own unique way but are there some people that you you don't find physically

01:55:39.040 attractive um yes i think in my personal preference there are people that aren't as attractive as

01:55:46.320 others but i just i think rating people just doesn't have any value to it okay i i understand

01:55:52.560 that would you say that there are there are groups of people that you find attractive that there's

01:56:00.320 degrees to those that you find attractive uh do for example you could find two people attractive but

01:56:07.600 you find one more attractive than the other yes um do you mind clarifying a little more well i mean if

01:56:14.880 there's hold on just a sec thank you davon jackson donated two hundred dollars notice how i ask her

01:56:21.920 how she's worth it and her answer is because i'm worth it i mean i could give the points i can debate

01:56:27.360 all night i did speech and debate so i have the points ready are you the table what do you bring to

01:56:32.480 the table the table you are the table yeah so okay so in terms of in terms of what type of guy am i

01:56:40.480 catering to because it depends like i don't know i feel like this podcast it goes for like the red

01:56:45.280 pill movement right so do you want me well i don't know look i mean because i can't answer i don't know

01:56:51.600 if this podcast goes for the red pill movement although i have a red pills and blue pills on the table

01:56:59.040 well i i don't i don't like in the same way that i don't like the alpha characterization the high value

01:57:04.560 high status man characterization um i believe that people can have differences of opinions and

01:57:12.880 i'd much rather just tell you what my thoughts are than just try to attach myself to like a given

01:57:20.240 given movement movement um i mean ultimate and you know look the red pill red pill space

01:57:27.440 is uh i suppose getting some flack right now but red pill is a metaphor i mean i don't think there's a

01:57:37.280 strictly one like uh there's not a bible of the red pill that it's like this if you're red pill this

01:57:44.800 is exactly what you believe in i mean there's people that are red pill that i disagree with on things

01:57:50.960 ultimately at the most basic level i think red pill is waking up to the truth waking up to reality

01:57:57.440 um and when it comes to intersexual dynamics it's waking up to perhaps uncomfortable truths

01:58:04.320 about what men want what women want what women are attracted to so anyways that's kind of derailing

01:58:13.440 the conversation he's he's curious um why should a man shorten his bloodline for you besides the two

01:58:20.720 obvious reasons well i mean if he wants to he will and i mean like i said previous boyfriends are

01:58:28.560 six foot and above but that doesn't mean that i wouldn't date somebody shorter i don't mind dating

01:58:33.440 somebody shorter but what do you bring to the table is what he's asking okay so educated ambitious

01:58:39.040 let's see do you think men care about that no no but i was gonna say other things too

01:58:44.960 but he's asking what you bring to the table and it's it's not i would say for most men they

01:58:51.120 those that's not at the top of the priority list in terms of what they would find attractive i would

01:58:56.640 say that i'm really loyal i have feminine qualities a low body count well didn't you just say you you

01:59:00.560 were masculine no i mean i have both qualities in me and i've been working on being more feminine and

01:59:07.040 trying to like be more feminine okay and i am feminine in a lot of ways okay so you bring loyalty you bring

01:59:13.280 your you said your low body count low body count what's your body count i prefer not to answer

01:59:18.080 well you just said you have a low body count yeah i mean i don't sleep around and i've only been like

01:59:22.320 very few relationships and the reason i won't answer is because of trauma and i don't want to

01:59:26.000 get into that it's something very disheartening that's fine um

01:59:31.520 so loyalty low body count any anything else um well i want to have children can you bench press 200

01:59:39.360 pounds no will you stick it out in the zombie apocalypse yes do you know how to play the cello

01:59:47.760 i don't but i know how to play piano that's a deal breaker for davon jackson i'm sorry if you don't

01:59:52.240 know how to play the cello it's a done deal okay so going back to our thing one to ten um so you were

01:59:58.080 asking me to clarify when it comes to i was asking you if you were to find for example three men physically

02:00:05.360 attractive would you be able to for example say he's more attractive than this one and this one's

02:00:11.040 more attractive than the other um yes i would be able to like or maybe they would all be attractive

02:00:16.880 sure it would depend for example perhaps there's a hundred people in a room say 50 of them are men

02:00:22.160 you could to some degree put them in order of you could maybe say that's the most attractive guy in

02:00:28.960 this room there could probably be guys that were more attractive but maybe some would be kind of

02:00:34.160 equally attractive yeah certainly there could certainly be men of a comparable physical

02:00:38.320 attractiveness similar and likewise you might see a few men in a room who you find unattractive maybe

02:00:44.400 less attractive who you're not attracted to yeah and you could say to some degree that there's degrees

02:00:50.320 to how not attracted to them you are yeah i do agree with that okay so i mean the one to ten scale

02:00:57.360 system is basically that she's saying it's subjective so like if you go to an art museum she could say all

02:01:02.960 these paintings are beautiful but there's certain ones that i'm more drawn to and you can rank all

02:01:06.240 the paintings but you can still acknowledge that they're all beautiful thank you i think it's okay

02:01:09.840 as a christian to understand that beauty is objective like even in the bible it talks about

02:01:14.960 the bible records saying that sarah was beautiful yeah you know rachel is more beautiful than leia

02:01:21.600 you know esther was a good that's why she was chosen by the king because she was so beautiful

02:01:26.560 yeah um so it's okay like it's okay if we're not all tens it's okay you know we're honest about that

02:01:32.240 because it does help appreciate you know objective beauty we can appreciate it without feeling devalued

02:01:37.840 by it but it's not objective because you take all the tens in one city and bring them to

02:01:41.840 a room full of victoria's secret models and every guy would agree that their rating goes down so how

02:01:45.600 is it objective that is a really good point sorry i think it is subjective though there are objective

02:01:50.400 traits like women across the bar find taller men you know more handsome if they've got a wider jawline

02:01:58.240 sharper jawline that's more attractive to them you know wider shoulders broader shoulders that's

02:02:03.280 attractive because those are all signs of high t high testosterone levels so biologically women

02:02:08.800 across the board whatever country you want to go to women are attractive to attracted to um things

02:02:15.600 about men that show that they're good leaders strong providers strong protectors and

02:02:20.240 so it's a biological thing like it's not a shallow you know conceited vain thing and in the same way

02:02:26.000 men also have the you know traits that they seek in a woman because it communicates to them that she

02:02:31.520 is feminine that she can carry a child because men really want to you know procreate and have children

02:02:36.720 and carry on their bloodline and so they want women who you know who objectively have wider hips and

02:02:41.680 fuller breasts and things like that that sign um gives a sign of fertility and so it's okay like it's okay

02:02:48.560 to be biologically wired it's okay to have a history as a human race and to have preferences men and

02:02:54.800 women both have preferences and the subjective part i think that's a great thing because if you're 411

02:03:00.720 if a man is 5'5 or just five foot tall that's perfect for you you know because he's still taller

02:03:05.920 than you because he still communicates protective protection and provision to you so that's the

02:03:10.880 subjective part but there are biological traits yeah there's a subjective part like if you

02:03:15.440 walked around ucsb because we're in santa barbara and went to like the hottest guys at ucsb

02:03:22.240 and then you like they're a 10 to the people that live here and then you asked like the most

02:03:27.200 beautiful movie stars or whatever tiktok people whoever you want to bring if they're a 10 they

02:03:32.480 wouldn't say that because they're just like average looking people like it just depends who the audience

02:03:36.880 is true but isn't it kind of just trying to be kind of politically correct when you're just trying to

02:03:41.840 say that oh like you know everyone's beautiful like you're you're just trying to not answer the

02:03:45.840 question you're trying to leave but the harsh reality is is that like attraction matters and

02:03:50.640 obviously men look at it men are very visual creatures and women also they do go based on

02:03:56.480 attractiveness even though obviously they're going to lean more into like personality and in the full

02:04:00.880 package but the reality is is that people are going to look at how you but attraction is different to

02:04:06.160 everyone like you could think someone is a 10 out of 10 and i look at them and i'm like i would never

02:04:09.520 talk to them a day in my life it's both it can be objective and guys can be attracted to girls they

02:04:14.080 don't think are objectively attractive either that they would rank a five so attraction and

02:04:17.840 attractiveness don't even usually go and i can say like i can look at someone and be like yeah like

02:04:21.360 they're like objectively attractive but they're not my type like or girls can be really turned on by

02:04:26.080 confident guys who they would still objectively in terms of looks right like a two right but that

02:04:29.680 could be the guy who makes them more wet than they've ever been in their entire life that's why i

02:04:32.320 think the rating system is kind of irrelevant to dating dynamics yeah i totally agree i was just saying that

02:04:36.800 i just want to ignore the subjective part of rating because as i mentioned i just think that

02:04:43.120 we're we were all created beautiful and i don't think there's a point in being subjective with ratings

02:04:49.600 well i think it's kind of delusional because it's like you have to you have to the rating has to be

02:04:54.960 there right because it's like we see we see attraction in people right i mean this is not well yeah

02:05:01.280 we do it's just debate so but what i'm saying is like guys are gonna find like certain girls

02:05:08.400 attractive right and then certain girls are gonna find something else attractive like that's just how

02:05:12.480 the world works like it's like a it's like a harsh reality to face right yeah but a man could be a

02:05:17.920 solid 10 but live in his mother's basement so i feel like there's also multiple different reading

02:05:23.040 skills on a one to ten standard well sure i mean there's all kinds of factors i mean there's

02:05:27.200 status there's personality there's there's money um but i mean we are kind of specifically talking

02:05:35.120 about just physical appearance here um but you said that the one to ten rating scales are relevant

02:05:43.840 i think it's kind of inaccurate because like i said you take all the tens of one city and put them

02:05:46.960 in a room with other girls so i don't really see what the point of it is and like i was saying i don't

02:05:50.400 think most people actually factor in that rating into their actual attraction to someone like

02:05:55.520 that objective sense of attractiveness because like i said guys could be turned on or like have

02:05:59.680 the best sex of their life with a girl who's less attractive than their wife because there's

02:06:03.200 something about that interaction that turns them on and same with girls and even like you just said

02:06:07.600 yeah there's objective cues but two people who look exactly the same could walk into a room but if

02:06:11.600 one's wearing a red shirt and one's wearing a blue shoe people people will rate the one in a

02:06:15.440 red shirt higher right so that's why i think like we think we're looking objectively but really we're

02:06:19.920 factoring in like clothing confidence if someone walks in with like an air of confidence we're

02:06:23.040 going to rate them higher so that's why i think it's useless well i mean certainly i the way you

02:06:26.880 dress and present yourself is going to have some impact on how someone deems and how d excuse me

02:06:33.360 how someone rates you same with personality same with status same with whatever you mentioned

02:06:40.720 confidence for example um and certainly you it's not i don't think when we're talking about the one

02:06:47.600 to ten rating scale we're not saying looks is the only factor when it comes to attractiveness

02:06:53.920 but when we're speaking about something very specific and we're speaking about physical

02:06:57.280 attractiveness yeah and i'm saying like even physically wearing a shirt on your body can

02:07:00.720 change your rating the way people objectively write you drastically sure and and for example if if

02:07:06.320 someone if someone has a positive sunny disposition if they're chipper if they're smiling that in itself

02:07:13.840 just purely on the physical level can make them appear more physically attractive but i think for

02:07:19.520 example um i guess where where it matters if if we look at someone who's if you lined up 100 people

02:07:28.640 and you said hey they all generally said this person's a 10 looks wise they're a 10 um whether that's a

02:07:36.000 man or woman that's going to have an impact when it comes to their dating life if someone is a 10 in

02:07:44.800 terms of looks can you agree that they're probably going to fare better than someone who is ranked lower

02:07:52.560 well it depends because i think red pillars will be the first to argue that girls don't really factor

02:07:56.160 in looks it's like a cardinal point of attraction they factor in status and height more right

02:08:00.320 so i think looks i i mean i think looks are pretty important i agree with that but i made an episode

02:08:07.760 about that what became fairly popular was called the part that women always leave out and a lot of

02:08:14.000 guys especially when they're younger and they're confused about women they ask women like what are

02:08:18.240 you looking for and they'll say things like oh i want somebody kind and i want somebody who's generous

02:08:23.200 and i want somebody who's interested in having a family and the guy will listen to these things and

02:08:27.600 kind of nod and be like okay well i'm a nice guy i'm kind and you know i'm willing to have a family

02:08:32.400 and i could be generous and share the things that i have and and they go out and they really try to

02:08:37.600 highlight those things because they're kind of taking on good faith that that's what the women are

02:08:42.880 going to respond to sexually and they're generally in for a rude awakening because i think the part that

02:08:48.160 women tend to leave out is that they want all those things but they want those things from the men they are

02:08:52.800 attracted to and i think that most women have been attracted to men who did not possess all of those

02:09:03.200 characteristics so the attraction always comes first and then among the attractive options women then get

02:09:12.240 to choose what which of those attractive men to her possess the best possible option for a relationship

02:09:21.440 moving forward i agree that attraction needs to come first like i was just saying like if a guy you're

02:09:25.840 not attracted to flirts with you're gonna be turned off but that doesn't mean that what she finds

02:09:29.680 attractive is based off an objective rating or a guy who's objectively rated as a 10 like again you

02:09:34.480 could be really attracted to someone because they're funny you're conflating what she finds attractive

02:09:38.400 with an objective rating scale no i i agree with you i just don't think that um it's irrelevant i would

02:09:44.240 say it's it's relative i think that's the word that you were going for because if you could be very

02:09:50.160 attractive in one context and move them to another it doesn't necessarily mean that that attraction

02:09:54.960 level is irrelevant to their decision making or their perception just that it changes based on

02:09:59.680 content context and other factors so it's not like inherent to the individual yeah i guess my point was

02:10:06.000 you were saying girls are only going to like those traits and guys they're attracted to but we were

02:10:09.200 talking about the rating system and i was saying i don't think that means they're factoring looks into

02:10:13.760 their attraction was my point i'm saying like again that could be based off like if the guy makes her laugh

02:10:19.200 and she finds him hilarious or she is finds him rich so she's going to be attracted that was my

02:10:23.680 point the rating thing was just on physical appearance yeah i think that's yeah that would

02:10:27.520 be like step one and then step two is like what's he like his personality etc do we get along so

02:10:32.480 it's just strictly in that case the rating is fine then because physically then that's possible to

02:10:38.800 do that right to just like rate somebody like based on what they look like just physically then

02:10:44.960 because obviously you're saying like personality and you're saying like well-roundedness and

02:10:48.800 everything but i feel like then it's fair to ask everyone

02:10:57.120 all right this guy in the ties putting me to sleep with his ted talk gotta gotta some powerful

02:11:02.240 veritone up in this i don't know what word that is a dude that'll make these females flood their

02:11:08.080 chairs with every syllable i'm thinking corpse husband would be perfect would make an epic show

02:11:12.560 storm striker thanks man appreciate it your response i've never been on a ted talk before

02:11:18.720 i'm i'm honored that this is my first all right can we actually um redirect the conversation to a fit

02:11:27.520 check can everyone please uh stand up really quick fit check outfit check oh yeah just stand up really quick

02:11:35.200 exciting i'm gonna put it on center all right maybe a little spin me too yeah you too i can barely fit in

02:11:46.160 in here okay first let's get this side do a little spin everyone yeah i guess a little spin if you want

02:11:53.280 you don't you don't have to okay that's a little spin and then we have a nice number here wearing um

02:12:01.520 brian always hates on my outfits

02:12:06.160 orange pants

02:12:08.640 that was not a button

02:12:09.440 i thought we were about to get

02:12:15.920 okay cool cool cool cool

02:12:24.400 okay

02:12:24.640 did you hear that noise

02:12:33.600 did you guys hear that yeah

02:12:34.960 because you kind of made like an interesting

02:12:47.680 noise earlier so

02:12:51.520 you get the hiccups okay let me um get a couple of these chats here

02:12:55.200 uh all right we have jimmy f thank you man brian your show is amazing and i've been binging it for

02:13:00.160 a week or two now since it's entertaining and i love the arguments just glad i got to catch part of

02:13:06.480 a live stream i'm a truck driver and i really appreciate what you said about us on another

02:13:10.720 episode hey man yeah um you know you guys who are uh working on infrastructure if you're a truck

02:13:18.560 driver you guys are what's holding up this country not people in fucking hr and in marketing

02:13:24.960 departments of corporations so shout out to uh people in the trades shout out to truckers

02:13:31.280 if it wasn't for people working in infrastructure and trucking and transport uh this if you all

02:13:38.000 disappeared tomorrow this country would be in chaos within 72 hours um okay so thank you jimmy

02:13:46.000 appreciate it man and then we got the one from stormstriker we have a couple super chats here we have one

02:13:52.000 from sweet tooth did i read this one i don't think so six three as a six three guy by the way

02:13:59.360 sweet tooth good to see you back man thank you for the your patronage tonight the lady in blue is too

02:14:04.000 short fyi i think it's with two o's just saying um for far hub i guess that's your new name

02:14:12.160 and yours is brain um you need more overalls overall like i i think he means overalls oh okay

02:14:22.240 okay but no yeah bad bad joke okay um you didn't even know what brain was meaning about the zombies

02:14:30.240 bro if you're gonna you gotta make sure if you're gonna say what you're saying you gotta make sure that

02:14:37.920 you spell check these um was meaning about the zombies and offing for kids because you couldn't

02:14:43.040 survive weak he's so right i'm so sorry i didn't intuitively understand what poverty zombies meant

02:14:47.840 how dare you not know about poverty zombies okay um sweet tooth thank you for the uh super chat man

02:14:55.280 appreciate it caleb maybe he was like misspelling shit on purpose just for the memes you know sure yeah

02:15:02.320 of course of course all right caleb martin 100 i'm a six foot lumberjack of a man

02:15:07.280 what do you guys think of men with beards also ones that ride bikes mainly harleys

02:15:15.120 uh so ladies what do you think of men with beards don't worry i won't be offended if you don't like

02:15:20.720 them if it's well kept then i accept it if it's what well kept the beard is well yeah if it's all over

02:15:26.560 the place then they're great my husband has a beard i think if it's like too bushy like like this long i

02:15:35.680 personally don't like it like i think like if it's short i'm out i think that's good but harley's i don't

02:15:42.560 like harley's they're really loud and annoying okay uh beard farha i think beards are sexy

02:15:51.840 rock and roll uh what about you not really into beards proposal rescinded what's up i prefer a clean

02:16:07.680 shave but i don't mind it if they want to have one okay what about you i don't mind beards i prefer if

02:16:13.840 they're well capped for sure okay yeah same i if it looks good it looks good if it looks good it looks

02:16:21.280 good caleb martin six foot lumberjack thank you man appreciate it all right we have b powell 13 21 with

02:16:29.920 a photo of a dog taking a dookie thank you man appreciate it ask the ladies if they know what

02:16:34.480 memorial day is hashtag trump 2024 um okay do you know what memorial day is guys

02:16:50.000 huh you do what is memorial day farha why are you asking me i didn't answer oh you didn't oh okay um

02:16:57.680 um what is memorial day is it today wait hello it's tomorrow oh tomorrow my bad i got my dates mixed up

02:17:06.160 um honoring the soldiers that passed away

02:17:11.840 anybody else want to take a wager

02:17:16.880 okay um thank you man appreciate it for the uh

02:17:20.720 soup chat your dog is adorable okay um so i want to open it up to you guys now

02:17:29.840 is there anything dating related that any of you would like to get off your chest do you have a

02:17:37.120 comment concern complaint when it comes to dating are men pissing you off in some way

02:17:43.200 just anything any topic if you'd like to bring up or if you want you can share

02:17:47.280 um perhaps why dating sucks if you want um how about pet peeves um pet peeves wait wasn't there

02:17:59.200 something before the show that you wanted us to touch on she was saying should talking stage be

02:18:02.720 exclusive oh yeah do you keep your oh um do you keep your options closed or open when you're in the

02:18:11.680 talking stage are you asking us should you or are you asking us on an individual level like what do

02:18:20.000 what we each individually do um she's like should you well both

02:18:28.560 okay is that an anarchy necklace by the way uh no no sorry the the pentagram pentagram okay i

02:18:36.400 sorry the microphone was blocking it okay is that like a bdsm necklace no because they you know they

02:18:43.440 have the the things with the collars for bdsm obsessed with the subculture i'm i'm trying to learn

02:18:50.160 i'm trying to expand my horizons can i go to a goth club with you by the way do you go are there goth

02:18:56.720 clubs anymore yeah in la there's a lot in la there's a lot yeah they also have um somewhere um well i've

02:19:05.760 been to one um it's it's called drag house um drag house drag house drag yeah like dracula drag house

02:19:18.560 it's like a vampire club no pretty much people go in there and you and they do like bdsm stuff

02:19:25.520 good times good times okay um so your question is should you be single or only talking to one person

02:19:37.760 during the talking stage yeah well for me personally um like i used to i used to um like if i was talking

02:19:47.200 to somebody and i would i would only talk to them um but and then i kind of stopped doing that because

02:19:57.200 you know as you know they kept failing and i um moved on to a neck into a new one like i kind of realized

02:20:09.120 okay like i'm not the only one they're talking to so and i didn't like having the feeling of like

02:20:16.720 pretty much putting all of my eggs in the basket and then being let down and then the way i see it is

02:20:23.280 like um you know if you keep your options open and you're less like you're if that person decides

02:20:33.840 to not move forward with you then you don't feel as bad it's like okay i that's fine

02:20:39.840 um and also you know it makes it more special in a way that even though you had all these options you

02:20:48.080 still chose that person so that makes it a little bit more special you know like like yeah you know

02:20:54.720 i've talked to these other guys perhaps something special with you and you know you um decide to

02:21:01.120 move forward with them so that's just my personal um opinion about it as long as it's like mutual of

02:21:11.360 course i think it's okay to be talking to multiple guys if it's actually that just talking erroneous

02:21:17.920 erroneous you're not erroneous no because she should be single for three years before she even

02:21:24.320 meets me me too okay go ahead because traditionally speaking the woman is the one who's getting

02:21:33.600 pursued by the man right so you have to be actually worth being pursued by multiple men you don't want

02:21:38.720 to be sleeping around with them and call it talking oh yeah that's different yeah if you're sleeping

02:21:44.160 around and that's different but right no you can talk to multiple men but you space it out so you

02:21:50.000 can actually get to know one at a time instead of mixing it all up and you kind of start feeling like

02:21:55.040 sleazy if you're talking to a bunch of them and then you're not you know making your decision do i

02:21:59.520 keep talking to this person do i stop talking to this guy so it's okay um but yeah actually be intentional

02:22:05.920 with it you don't want to date just to date forever or get into a situationship or hook up you know you

02:22:11.680 want to actually date to marry so if that's your end goal then you'll be more intentional about it

02:22:17.520 and it will have a purpose the whole time you're talking to multiple men you're saying this one i

02:22:22.240 don't see a long-term relationship with him i don't see one with him i do with this guy so maybe we can

02:22:26.560 keep meeting again so just stay intentional and it's okay to have your options open um and just keep

02:22:33.600 it wholesome you know what i mean yeah if i'm on a third date with a girl

02:22:36.960 all the other options should be gone if it's our third time hanging out gone right so some girl

02:22:45.920 slides on you and says want to fuck tonight what are you what are you saying yeah if some girl does

02:22:51.200 what if some girl says brian do you want to fuck me tonight but you're on a third date with another

02:22:55.840 girl you're saying no i'm already i'm on the date with a girl like on a date and you slide into my dms

02:23:03.120 and you're like brian i'm so overwhelmed by your or like the dash or the day after the third day you

02:23:08.960 guys aren't exclusive yet i was about i'm setting up setting you up here farah um so you slide into

02:23:13.680 my dms and you're like brian take my virginity i might have to jump at the chance of that no i'm

02:23:19.360 kidding um would i leave the date is that what you're asking you do like big labia huh anyway what

02:23:27.280 oh what you see my point though my point is like would you be exclusive to her are you gonna throw

02:23:33.760 this at me let's should we check my are you team audi what is going on brian has a fetish for whoa

02:23:42.080 whoa let's not say fetish let's say an interest so answer my it's also a compassion thing i'm very

02:23:50.160 compassionate towards women with a lot are you saying you have a large labia is that what you're

02:23:53.120 saying imagine the biggest label in your life that girl slides into oh so you don't not you

02:23:58.560 no she oh i thought you thought i thought you talked about you it could be both it's also you

02:24:02.240 yeah so would you say yes to that girl after the third date if a different i'm not i'm not by the

02:24:08.800 way if this is if this is a bait to try to get your only fans i don't pay for only fans just saying okay

02:24:14.880 is that what you post on your only fans my labia you're like possibly i'm not i'm not taking the bait

02:24:20.640 i'm sorry i don't pay for only fans what were you saying you'll just be checking weak sites later

02:24:24.400 tonight of course not brian would you date to marry or are you just dating the hookup well i don't want

02:24:32.240 to get married so so what are you trying to do if you go on a third date with a girl and you say she

02:24:37.760 doesn't need to be dating anybody else like what is the end goal well why don't you want no we need

02:24:42.480 to answer this oh my god you want to marry because you're doing a dating show right now yeah who said

02:24:48.240 who said anything about marriage no okay so tell us well in the western world when it comes to

02:24:54.800 marriage when it comes to divorce it's just the family court system is stacked against men

02:24:59.200 uh men fare really bad in divorce so i just i i don't see the benefit of getting married i could

02:25:08.640 be monogamous with someone long term have a life partner some people don't like that term but

02:25:15.200 i could be with one girl i can be with one girl long term maybe even my whole life i don't need

02:25:20.960 the government involved and divorce is just not good what a pussy that's like a lifelong talking

02:25:28.400 stage how's that you don't want to get married because you don't want to get divorced why not

02:25:31.680 just like work towards a really good marriage you don't have to get divorced but here's the thing farah

02:25:36.000 how many hold on let me just address her thing women how divorces how many well no but how many people

02:25:41.680 get married thinking that this is the person i love to death i could never see us breaking up never

02:25:50.800 see us getting divorced one year later two years later three years later the divorce comes and so

02:25:58.880 and i think i i would assume most people that get married aren't going into it thinking i'm probably

02:26:04.400 going to get divorced however the stats i think the stats are like 50 percent of divorces and or excuse

02:26:10.640 me 50 of marriages end in divorce i don't think those odds are too bad so that's pretty 50 is pretty

02:26:16.400 bad you wouldn't flip a coin for the love of your life no if i was in a uh an airplane and i was

02:26:22.480 skydiving and there's a 50 chance that the parachute doesn't work i'm not taking that bet

02:26:29.280 i a lot of you're in control of whether you get divorced like it's not like you press a button and

02:26:34.560 then it decides whether you guys are gonna get divorced it's in your control there's at will

02:26:39.920 no contest divorces so if one party just wants to walk away that it's not within your control

02:26:45.920 you can't keep somebody in a marriage that doesn't want to be there sure but if he has a really great

02:26:49.280 marriage i don't think his wife is gonna be doing that usually women divorce because the guy is

02:26:52.960 unfaithful or he's not working towards communication well look certainly there are scenarios where there's

02:26:58.800 where there's abuse or you know there's ear genuinely irreconcilable differences but i mean

02:27:07.600 can we also agree that sometimes it's the case that maybe a relationship ends because someone else

02:27:14.160 came into the picture or someone got bored yeah someone came into the picture it's usually men who

02:27:20.320 have extramarital affairs like one i think it's actually i think this the study the stats show that

02:27:26.400 it's pretty comparable when it comes to cheating and infidelity no 25 of married men i think 10

02:27:31.280 of married women i have a question i haven't seen that stat but what's up would it make you feel

02:27:35.760 better if you knew that some women out there don't rely on the government papers to stay married like

02:27:40.960 they're state they've they're faithful to their husbands not because of the government paperwork

02:27:44.800 but because of religion reasons do you mean religion but i mean if you if you get married in the

02:27:51.600 west i don't know exactly how it works but i think you can have a religious ceremony but

02:27:59.520 you would be true i i know has anyone here been married ever i don't know exactly how it works but

02:28:05.680 i have oh well okay yeah you are married um don't you have to go to the courthouse and get a

02:28:13.040 uh license oh marriage license or something is that before you get married or after you get married

02:28:18.480 before because it needs to get signed when you get married so you bring that to the pastor or whoever

02:28:24.080 officiates the marriage okay um so i mean i don't have an issue necessarily from the religious

02:28:33.760 angle of marriage um but keep in mind secular people get married uh i have an issue primarily for the

02:28:41.360 the severe consequences of divorce and chiefly those are financial consequences um it's just

02:28:52.080 it's not a good bet not a good part of that is because men and women really don't know how to

02:28:56.880 work together obviously you can see that from feminism you can see that from the red pill

02:29:01.600 manosphere movement from the magtow movement there's like such a huge divide like men and women literally

02:29:06.560 don't know how to relate to each other from the dating to the marriage yeah well i mean i would

02:29:11.440 say though what i i would say though is when it comes to for example when it comes to divorce

02:29:18.880 it's honestly would be a better move for a lot of guys who end up getting divorced and if they're

02:29:23.520 the breadwinner it would honestly be a better financial move to just walk up to a random person

02:29:30.480 and say here's half my assets enjoy that that's that's a better move i was gonna say that um that

02:29:42.160 you know um a man has more to lose when they get married you know because like it's been happening

02:29:52.080 a lot lately um who was it like recently like the male celebrities you know what i have a list and

02:29:59.280 you can tell me if any of these names ring a bell so these are all men who have had divorce and

02:30:04.800 divorces initiated against them brad pitt johnny depp jeff bezos bill gates elon musk dr dre ryan

02:30:12.000 reynolds tom brady lance armstrong alex rodriguez channing tatum chris rock ben affleck chris pratt

02:30:18.480 liam hensworth ben stiller david dukovni orlando bloom tiger woods sean penn sylvester stallone

02:30:24.480 paul mccartney ryan felipe jason momoa michael jordan uh stephen crowder although that's not a

02:30:30.640 great i don't want to get into the street steven crowder thing in any case these are all very

02:30:36.480 attractive men high status men wealthy and even they can't keep a chick so me as like i consider

02:30:45.840 myself like kind of a normal dude i think bro brad pitt can't keep a chick i'm fucked well i think

02:30:54.080 the biggest problem and the reason for all this divorce and all this divide in this chaos is

02:30:59.200 because of hookup culture like the sexual revolution in the 1960s it was not like this in the 1950s people

02:31:06.640 got married and they stayed married but when the hookup culture and the sexual liberation movement

02:31:11.200 introduced by feminism came in in the 1960s everything just was destroyed like if you look

02:31:18.560 up the statistics your best bet at not getting divorced is marrying a virgin okay sure only five

02:31:26.640 percent of um virgins get divorced so if you get married and you haven't had past sexual partners

02:31:35.680 you don't have all this comparison that you're playing in your mind when you're having sex

02:31:40.400 you're not thinking you have other options you're not thinking you can just have this with somebody

02:31:44.080 else but the hookup culture and the sexual the sexual revolution is what screwed up this country

02:31:50.960 and the society before all of this people got married to the first person they had sex with

02:31:56.880 so if you want to fix the divorce you have to go back to stop sleeping around the person that you

02:32:02.240 have sex with you consent sex to that person stay with that person just be married i don't think

02:32:08.160 feminism is the reason that tiger woods cheated on his wife a lot of high status men they can

02:32:12.000 exercise their options more so like you're looking at the outcome instead of the causes for why those

02:32:16.560 women filed divorce and in a lot of those instances there was adultery sure and feminism is what told

02:32:21.520 women that being loose sexually is what empowers you you are empowered if you're naked you're

02:32:27.680 empowered if you're on a camera of being stripping down naked and doing sexual acts for a bunch of

02:32:32.080 perverts how did that empower those men to cheat she's saying that the some of the men that i listed

02:32:37.680 they were the ones that were uh cheating but and you're right yes some of these men were probably

02:32:43.520 unfaithful um perhaps some of them weren't though and and perhaps it's also the case that there may

02:32:50.640 have very well been going into a relationship look we don't know the details of these relationships

02:32:55.680 maybe there's some understandings uh in terms of these men having mistresses we don't know we don't

02:33:03.920 know but at the end the end of the day these are exceptionally attractive men who are wealthy and high

02:33:08.720 status who were divorced by their partners so i mean i don't know i don't i don't very beautiful

02:33:17.680 exceptional women sure and look i don't know if we should a lot of these men are in hollywood and

02:33:23.200 athletes i don't know if we should be looking to hollywood and athletes as hollywood pushes

02:33:29.040 romantic sexual degeneracy so they they're definitely not but let i i guess let me ask a question and

02:33:34.560 and why i am averse to marriage um my experience has been when it comes to relationships and i've i've

02:33:42.080 heard this from other men is that in my relationship experience women tend to overwhelmingly initiate

02:33:50.080 breakups that's true and women overwhelmingly initiate divorce so like a lot of men are looking

02:33:58.960 at what's going on and we hear the stories from other men of oh i got took to the cleaners 20 years

02:34:05.360 of alimony i'm going to be paying this woman who is probably capable of working i'm going to be paying

02:34:11.520 her for 20 years and if you've been married long enough you're going to be you could potentially

02:34:17.200 be on the hook to pay for her lifestyle the rest of her life when she may very well be capable of

02:34:22.800 working and when even when she i don't know what the rules are if they remarry but um i mean let me i

02:34:29.440 can ask the table a question of all the time and this is a question for the whole table i'm about to open

02:34:34.080 it up to of all the relationships that you've been in let's not even say relationships of all the times

02:34:42.720 that you've had to say i don't want to where okay sorry i'm losing my train of thought of all the times

02:34:51.520 when you've been seeing somebody where hold on guys um sorry i'm getting distracted here of all the

02:34:59.360 times where you've been seeing somebody and someone in the party says i no longer want to see you

02:35:08.160 whether that's the guy or the girl more often than not is it you as the woman who's saying you want

02:35:15.520 things to end or is it the guy saying that the guy for you the guy okay fair enough what about for

02:35:22.480 you far huh me okay what about for you i would say the guy more often the guy saying pumping the

02:35:29.680 brakes and saying i don't want to see you anymore and just a point of clarification that could be

02:35:34.400 you've been on three dates with the person you've been in a two-year relationship with the person

02:35:38.720 more often than not is it you saying i don't want to see you anymore or is it him go ahead it's

02:35:43.600 me it's you it's usually the guy okay what about you if you're saying verbally saying that

02:35:49.760 than me well saying like just like ghosting then it's the guy there's more than one way to uh ask

02:35:56.560 for something but go ahead i don't know i haven't dated in so long okay i just i don't know if i have

02:36:03.520 the answer to that because the way that i think of like relationships and how they should be working

02:36:09.200 is that you need to discuss with the opposite person is like what they have been through and what

02:36:16.240 their expectations are for a man because the biggest issue in today's society is that our parents

02:36:22.480 have one of the highest divorce rates and it's plummeting and it's affecting all of us so when

02:36:27.680 you don't have a stable marriage like your parents aren't stably married you have no one to look up to

02:36:34.400 to like how does your father treat your mother you have no one to look up to so when women go out and

02:36:39.600 they meet men they don't know what to look for and vice versa with men seeking women they don't know

02:36:46.160 what to look for and that's what is enabling all this confusion is that all these people don't

02:36:51.040 understand what a true relationship is because they don't have that example but but okay so you you've

02:36:56.880 had a couple relationships correct sure yeah one official relationship did you end it or did the guy end it

02:37:03.520 um the guy ended my relationship but usually my relationships the one that i've been in it's like

02:37:14.000 back and forth it just gets really toxic till it has to end if that makes sense red flag but uh but

02:37:20.400 like that's but it's the here's what i'm saying though it's because i had nothing to look after and like

02:37:27.040 what i need to see and what i need to have in like a man because i didn't have that thing to look up to

02:37:33.040 so when you don't have a strong family figure you don't have a strong parent figure it's like a

02:37:38.400 man and a woman your mom and your dad having a relationship it's difficult for a woman to go out

02:37:42.640 there and understand what a guy is here to offer and what they truly are like willing to give you so

02:37:50.240 you have a girl who's vulnerable because she doesn't know what she's looking for and then you have a guy

02:37:56.320 who may be persuading you to be a certain way or you know giving you the certain thing and you don't

02:38:01.920 quite understand like one example i can give for like the disconnect is my boyfriend when christmas

02:38:08.640 time came around i didn't understand what gifts to give because that wasn't something that was like

02:38:12.800 within my family so when i would give a certain gift he would be like kind of confused you know but

02:38:18.320 i don't know how to give gifts it's like there's no verbal communication as to what women's

02:38:23.840 expectations are and what men's expectations are for women is that and you're saying because of your

02:38:29.280 family experience yeah you said you're when did you said your parents got divorced yes

02:38:33.360 in middle school in middle school yeah okay was it a contentious divorce it was messy it was messy

02:38:39.840 it was messy okay but what i'm saying is that women and men don't really have like since the divorce

02:38:47.440 rate is so high there's nothing to look after and it's just plummeting and all these men and women are

02:38:53.760 just knocking butting heads because no one knows what to look for because no one's communicating

02:38:58.800 what did you go through what did you experience with your parents and how can we establish a firm

02:39:05.760 relationship and that's why things are failing and then you are no sorry and then what you're saying

02:39:12.080 is that you feel as though you can't be in a relationship or in a marriage because of these

02:39:17.840 people you're limiting yourself like what you're saying is you're limiting what you can do and what

02:39:22.960 you can be in a relationship because of what you've heard from other people i mean if you really

02:39:27.280 want to propose to me you can no but um i do not oh rejected okay um yeah right uh

02:39:39.760 i mean mic drop

02:39:44.000 it's true though like if girls don't have like a positive male role model in their life they're

02:39:47.200 more likely to fall for like psychopathic guys for instance because they're going to fill that void and

02:39:50.640 like uh show a fake veneer of like confidence and maturity and if you don't have a positive father

02:39:55.920 figure in your life because of divorce or like father absence you're not going to see the

02:39:59.840 difference between like good masculinity and toxic masculinity right sure well there's different

02:40:03.920 like attachment styles like i did communications in college and like based on what your parents or

02:40:08.880 whatever like figures you looked up to when you were growing up sorry whatever figures you looked

02:40:13.520 up to when you were growing up like you're gonna have a certain type of attachment style like there's

02:40:17.600 the quote-unquote normal one if you had like perfect parents that you're supposed to have like just

02:40:22.880 ideally and there's like avoid it there's you know there's a bunch of them and if you're not

02:40:27.280 like actively aware of that then you're like your relationships are going to fail because you're

02:40:33.120 going to be with someone that probably has a different one than you and they're going to not

02:40:36.320 align and you're going to have issues and not really know why um word okay but so just just

02:40:45.120 i know you want to come in let me just adjust a couple couple things and i'll have you come in

02:40:48.640 um so i mean you were kind of pushing back about my take on marriage and uh because i'm against

02:40:54.400 marriage right okay um i mean yes i suppose what was the last thing you said that i'm i'm i'm looking

02:41:02.880 to these other examples but that's not fair because i'm not giving it a chance if you're just limiting

02:41:08.080 it like when you have those thoughts in your head and you think about the way that other people have

02:41:12.560 been affected and you put that in your head it's it's destined to become your reality because that's

02:41:16.800 what you're thinking well i i don't necessarily think that it's destined to be my reality if

02:41:24.560 you're putting it out there absolutely it will because you're saying you won't get married sure

02:41:28.000 all the more reason to not get married then but um i think if you are fear-based you're going to

02:41:34.240 not be successful in your pursuit of romantic well it's not about because you're listing out the

02:41:38.400 celebrities and you're afraid that something like that it has nothing to do with fear it has nothing to

02:41:42.800 do with fear it is fear but that's okay because like all of us deal with it then why won't you

02:41:47.360 get married it's not fear well i'll tell you why because i mean if if i choose to not sign a contract

02:41:55.600 which i deem to be if that contract puts me at a disadvantage uh or it's an unfair contract or there's

02:42:07.120 the contract is ludicrous then it's not a fear it's just me being so marriage it's me like signing

02:42:17.280 the paper well that hold on you don't it's just me being pragmatic you don't have to i don't believe

02:42:22.320 that you have to do it through the government or the state right well we're gonna print you can make

02:42:26.720 your own yeah that doesn't you can make your own contract between you and your fiancee and sign it

02:42:31.120 together like marriage isn't dependent it doesn't require this well okay well there's a few things

02:42:37.040 so some states there's something called common law marriage luckily i believe my understanding is

02:42:41.840 california is not a common law marriage state but if you cohabitate with someone and you treat them as if

02:42:50.000 you're married basically if you cohabitate for a certain period of time the government the state

02:42:57.520 will view you as if you were married so if in the event of a breakup your girlfriend even though

02:43:04.400 you weren't technically married can say we were married and then she's going to come after you for

02:43:08.640 alimony i'm going to say something controversial but i'm going to put on the table so people can think

02:43:13.360 about it but listen biblically speaking okay and even not even just biblically like society speaking

02:43:20.560 humanity speaking most of societies and even in ancient times marriage was created through consensual

02:43:32.960 sex now hear me out okay but but hold on what where are you going with this because

02:43:40.400 like sex does not create marriage in today's day and age we can talk about greek greece and romans and

02:43:46.480 shit but imagine if it did imagine okay we're talking about the ideal here listen if people

02:43:51.680 understood that if they had sex with somebody that made them a husband or wife then they wouldn't be

02:43:56.720 sleeping around then you wouldn't have to be worried about you know not just you but men in

02:44:00.480 general don't have to be worried about women's body counts and their lack of ability to pair bond

02:44:05.920 we wouldn't have to be worried about divorce rates going up every time the body count goes up

02:44:10.560 and higher people would understand that if a if a man had sex with a woman that woman is now his

02:44:17.280 wife and he is responsible to protect lead and provide for her and if they had a child because

02:44:23.440 they had sex he can't just run away or tell her to have an abortion because he is now the husband

02:44:28.400 he's responsible for that unborn child and he can't just leave the woman after she just gave him

02:44:34.880 her body and her womb and so he's responsible for her and we were talking about the ideal we're

02:44:39.120 obviously like 60 years past this sexual revolution here so we're very screwed up

02:44:43.440 but even in the 50s people understood this that's why there was a thing called shotgun weddings where

02:44:47.840 the father if he found out that you had sex with his daughter you had to go marry her now

02:44:52.480 we're 60 years past the sexual sexual revolution but if we understood that if a wife if a woman

02:44:58.640 pardon me if a woman had sex with a man and gave him her virginity that meant that she was now his

02:45:05.360 wife there's no sleeping with some other man you understand there's no some other baby daddy and

02:45:11.440 i'm going back to my first man that i slept with and saying you're my you got to take care of me and

02:45:16.400 this baby daddy this is the ideal and this is what is prescribed in the bible and this is what humans

02:45:22.240 have been doing forever and it was normal even in the 1950s it wasn't until the 1960s with the sexual

02:45:27.200 revolution that it got screwed up with hookup culture with abortion being legalized in all 50 states

02:45:32.720 everything has been destroyed well i mean the cat is out of the bag yes it is we can

02:45:38.800 be idealists and so you just have to think about it but if you are but that's why i need to be

02:45:46.080 pragmatic as a man because the i'm not meeting virgins most women who are available are not virgins

02:45:55.040 right and i'm not a virgin myself yeah that's why christ is so important in all of this because

02:45:59.520 with christ you are forgiven i'm not talking about a born-again virgin you can't change the

02:46:03.200 biological reality that you are not a virgin but if you are forgiven in christ that's why a lot of

02:46:08.800 christians even though they've they have a history they have a sexual past they understand that they

02:46:12.800 are covered in the blood of christ and they are forgiven and they can start new they are committed to

02:46:17.200 the man that they marry and that's why they're dedicated to that marriage and they don't have a divorce

02:46:21.760 more conservative extremely the studies show extremely conservative couples have a better

02:46:28.320 sex life they have a better marriage they are happier in their relationships well i mean i think

02:46:33.120 that's a big l for christian men to just accept a woman who slept but the christian men also have

02:46:39.520 history sometimes they also have been sleeping around sure so like on both parts this idea that you can

02:46:44.800 be born again virgin no i don't believe in born again virginity i i actually i do believe in it

02:46:50.480 because i think are you a born again unfortunately i did make a couple mistakes yes a couple okay yes

02:46:56.800 i'll admit it but when you say a couple what are we baker's dozen we talking about baker's dozen uh two

02:47:04.080 two yes just just two you're 21 uh-huh that's pretty good but just two two mistakes yeah just some people got

02:47:12.640 30 mistakes in like a freshman semester i'm a senior in college so yeah you see it but but i do believe

02:47:22.960 that god does forgive us i believe that for everything so even if we do make mistakes with

02:47:28.960 uh sex or whatever it is all our sins are forgiven i mean but you have to be repentant too like you

02:47:35.120 can't be like i'm not saying you're not repentant but there are some people who say oh i'm a born again

02:47:39.520 virgin you know but they still brag about their yeah past life and they don't make a big deal

02:47:44.080 out of it so you're you're a born again virgin yes so you're waiting until marriage to have sex

02:47:49.600 you said you're in a complicated situation with a guy for five months yes was he one of your mistakes

02:47:54.320 uh no okay is he also a pious godly man uh i don't know if i should say any information about

02:48:01.520 that's fine yeah okay we just know five million subscribers in australia like you're selling

02:48:05.840 and well said what you said right i mean as far as being biologically a virgin a body count of two

02:48:12.480 is pretty low but i mean i just kind of laugh at this whole like okay you've slept with 50 dudes and

02:48:19.120 then i found christ and now i'm i deserve um i feel like a godly man i feel like we're i think we're all

02:48:27.360 undeserving but i think god forgives us no matter what and yeah we don't deserve it but he does it

02:48:33.200 anyways sure i mean you shouldn't um like say i'm forgiven now i demand a virgin after having slept

02:48:39.360 with like 50 people like you don't deserve anything it depends on the other person if they're okay with

02:48:43.760 that you know what i mean but it's just kind of like you've i don't know it just kind of rubs me the

02:48:48.400 wrong way it's like oh okay well you've you've given yourself to that many men you've slept with that

02:48:56.560 many men and then you're kind of making a sucker

02:49:03.360 of the guy who you're now going to make weight i think because because you gave it up to all these men

02:49:11.680 and then now now you're going oh yo flan life thank you the 50 gifted man appreciate it you want another

02:49:19.360 fit check or i mean we already did it you know just saying thank you man really oh wait that that

02:49:23.120 triggers fireworks just saying but oh scuffed boom okay fireworks um i don't know something about

02:49:32.720 like it just rubs me the wrong way can i say something go ahead tegan the the sad reality of

02:49:40.880 women who do have high body counts i've talked to friends who have the experience of you know hooking up

02:49:48.320 and having sex with a lot of men and i've talked to them about it because i know that at the end

02:49:53.440 of the day it is deeper than just running around there's something that's deeper than that and i've

02:49:58.160 talked to friends about it and some of them have said that they don't have a stable home life and um

02:50:06.240 the thing the reason that they do the things that they do is that they're insecure and thank you when

02:50:12.320 it comes to uh i just lost my train of thought oh the reason that they they sleep with multiple men

02:50:19.360 is because this is what i was told that they can't they don't have any liking for themselves and they

02:50:26.720 want to feel pretty from a man for 15 minutes sure they want validation right and it's like how can we

02:50:34.480 how can women motivate other women to steer away from that direction and respect themselves and how can men

02:50:40.720 help other men to understand that we can't be entertaining that and like from your perspective

02:50:47.600 if you are talking to a girl and you realize that she is maybe mentally unstable like there's no reason

02:50:53.840 that you should be having sex with her you know what i mean it's like i think it's the other side of

02:50:59.760 things as well well if a girl is mentally unstable get away from me but um wait what's the question i'm

02:51:06.400 confused i'm saying that men need to hold men accountable and women need to hold women

02:51:10.800 accountable in a sense of when men are talking to women and a man wants to pursue a woman he has to

02:51:15.920 at least make sure that she's not the type of person who this is going to be affecting her long term

02:51:22.240 like we need to have respect for each other in that sense like sexually or relationship sexually like

02:51:29.200 if there's a woman who's hooking up with multiple men like if you are that guy you have to at least look

02:51:34.240 into that you know what i mean i don't think men care right because just of course just like you

02:51:38.880 were saying like the average man is not even able to get laid right so they'll just like go for any

02:51:44.960 girl basically and also for guys like body count is very different so they can get away with like

02:51:50.960 fucking like hundreds and thousands of girls but like it's very different for a girl like it matters

02:51:56.160 to a guy a lot even if he says it doesn't that she has a low body count right well i think men do have

02:52:01.200 some responsibility and that they they ought to be leaders in this i mean there's definitely a

02:52:06.160 component of the cats out of the bag like it is the current scenario is what it is um i personally

02:52:14.000 don't think that men should ought to be promiscuous either um but i mean men have to realize that at

02:52:22.960 the end of the day they're in control wait but i want to hear like for the but i mean in a sense of

02:52:28.320 like men like like when you talk about how women have sex with men when women have sex with men a

02:52:33.760 part of them leaves when men have sex with women they feel nothing so men have to be aware of when

02:52:40.480 they're having sex with a woman that they're taking apart away from them because that's the way it works

02:52:44.560 i don't i don't believe that no i think that that suggests that sex just inherently cheapens women

02:52:51.600 have you ever heard of the of the quote that says um oh um that that like pretty much like the man

02:53:03.840 is a key and a woman is a lock and the lock that can be accessed by many keys is useless or something

02:53:10.880 like that i think it goes something along the lines of a uh you know which one i'm talking about a good key

02:53:17.040 can open many locks and a bad lock is opened by every key something like that i think a master

02:53:22.720 key can open many locks but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock i think we're

02:53:28.160 fucking up the order a little bit but yes generally yes i think which came first i think it goes like

02:53:33.200 a lock that can be opened by any key is a shitty lock but a key that can open many locks is a master

02:53:40.560 key yeah something something yeah but i think you do the the the lock first and then the key the

02:53:47.040 problem is if men are sleeping with women they are causing the body count to go up well i think

02:53:53.040 they're causing problems it's a mutual yeah it's more of a woman's choice of course because women are

02:53:59.920 the gatekeepers of sex especially unless we're getting into non-consensual relationships which i don't

02:54:05.360 think any of us are discussing it's like if a woman doesn't want to have sex it doesn't happen

02:54:09.760 it's not something that men are imposing on women it's women that are something that women are

02:54:14.000 choosing to do absolutely and that's why the sexual revolution was so bad because it told women

02:54:19.440 go have sex be loose you know sex in the city was so popular even the show friends was so popular just

02:54:24.080 have sex sleep around and it told women that that made you sexy and desirable and powerful and that's

02:54:30.320 what opened the gate in society women open the gate now they're just having sex and so they're not

02:54:36.480 gatekeeping their bodies in their wombs anymore because the sexual revolution told them that was

02:54:40.960 empowering for them and it's not like it's been horrible you can see the effects of it now like

02:54:45.920 abortion rates are way up you know depression and mental illness and women like 22 percent of the

02:54:52.480 population have depression and mental illness problems women specifically even traditional women

02:54:58.400 who like live on a farm with like the guy who they lost their virginity to they have an increase in

02:55:02.880 depressive symptoms as well in modern society so it's not because society itself is just so

02:55:07.440 depressing and degenerate yeah i'm just saying it's not related to body count did you want to

02:55:11.840 yeah i'd like to talk um i'm i'm with you i'm not a big fan of marriage and we can get into why that

02:55:18.000 might be in in a moment um i like having options i remember i'm also the child of divorce who is the

02:55:26.000 child of divorce it's like i like the fact that i don't have to choose among the four women who live in

02:55:31.120 my village i like the idea that just because i had sex when i was 18 because i was a ball of hormones

02:55:39.040 and i just needed to do something that i didn't have to make a lifelong commitment to the person

02:55:46.320 i think that optionality is generally a good thing for both men and women because it facilitates

02:55:52.800 getting into relationships where there's actually excellent fit between two people as opposed to just

02:55:58.320 being limited by what's available now optionality comes with a dark side but i think that we actually

02:56:03.680 live in a society that has unbelievable opportunity when it comes to entering into relationships these

02:56:10.480 days like more opportunity than there's ever been in the history of the world

02:56:16.400 now with when it comes to marriage it's like yeah i've seen up close my my parents marriage divorce

02:56:22.160 took three years it was really tough and i work with guys all the time who are going through divorces and

02:56:30.480 absolutely the liabilities divorce disproportionately disproportionately affect men like without a doubt

02:56:38.320 but that's kind of the general argument that i hear from guys against marriage is just like it's so

02:56:43.520 risky but i'm going to give another potential argument which is well what do you get

02:56:50.080 as a man from marriage that you can't get without getting married like just a few moments ago you

02:56:57.440 said you wouldn't risk it for the love of your life and my rebuttal is why can't you just love each other

02:57:03.520 without getting married what does love have to do with marriage what are you considering marriage paperwork

02:57:10.240 like what do you count as marriage because i didn't count my wedding dress or the wedding rings or the ceremony or the government paperwork as marriage

02:57:16.080 well that's a wedding yeah so um to me a marriage is a civil commitment

02:57:23.440 and personally i think the reason why marriages fail today is because it's a fundamentally very humble

02:57:29.600 institution and we've put so much on top of this that it's basically become unsustainable

02:57:35.920 like i think at at heart marriage is about creating a context in which to in which to raise children

02:57:42.240 i think that's it did you mean literally that you have four women in a village

02:57:46.080 is that what you said well it's like my grandmother was was raised in a village like

02:57:50.960 that in ukraine and her husband lived in the village older four wives you're not talking about no i'm

02:57:57.520 saying that there's like four women that you could potentially choose for a wife and like

02:58:03.760 if it's not one of those four it's too bad so sad but i remember when my grandmother divorced my

02:58:09.120 grandfather in her 60s she said that's when her life began like i understand that the divorce rate

02:58:15.520 is very very high like i don't say looking at a 55 divorce rate there's absolutely no way that i

02:58:22.000 would put my head in that news um but divorce is also it's good that it exists because it gives people an

02:58:31.440 out out of really difficult situations now there's got to be some space in the middle between like

02:58:39.280 implementing divorce only under these really extreme fringe cases and 55 percent of the time

02:58:43.840 there is a great deal of of space between those those two places um there is a great deal of space

02:58:50.800 and like i said i think a big reason is male adultery i think that would close the space in the

02:58:54.800 same way you were saying it's a huge risk for guys disproportionately for them because women are

02:58:58.960 the ones who um usually initiate divorce 50 you know 50 of the time it's like they're gonna get

02:59:04.480 divorced you could say the same thing for women like one out of four chances that your husband's

02:59:07.920 gonna cheat on you aren't necessarily attractive odds either but guys don't really talk about that

02:59:11.920 they just talk about the fact that like oh what what's the point of getting into a marriage if

02:59:14.800 the woman's gonna divorce me but they don't realize the fact that the woman already takes

02:59:17.840 on such a huge risk as well in getting married well you mean in terms of infidelity that's the risk

02:59:23.280 of a woman when she gets married for a woman when she gets married is the risk of infidelity

02:59:28.560 yeah the one in four chance that her husband will have sex with another woman

02:59:32.640 well my understanding when it comes to infidelity is like i said before and i know you challenged it but

02:59:39.040 the rate is comparable between men and women when it comes to infidelity it's i could be wrong

02:59:44.960 more comparable i think i could be wrong right i think it's higher more men yeah it is as i understand

02:59:50.640 it um i don't know about that but infidelity is a really complicated thing like for some people

02:59:56.800 cheating is porn and for other people cheating means like repeated violations of the sexual contract

03:00:08.160 the one in four refers to actual adultery not um like subjective instances okay fine so even in that

03:00:14.560 case there's a huge range in reaction some people are like nope this happened once i'm done the whole

03:00:21.840 relationship is over even if we've been married for 20 years even if we have kids

03:00:25.280 kids other people they're finding ways to work with the situation like it's not an automatic

03:00:32.560 termination so the the infidelity rate can't by itself explain the disproportionate rate in female

03:00:39.680 initiated divorces because not every woman who's cheated on divorce is her husband oh i didn't say it

03:00:45.520 was 100 of the reason i was saying that's definitely a significant way to tighten the gap a little bit

03:00:50.880 between what you were saying of the 55 and then like but to go any further it's like why why wouldn't

03:00:57.760 she get divorced it's like if i could work a job and if at a certain point i didn't want to work there

03:01:04.720 anymore and i could take half the salary that i was making by not working like i'm going to get more and

03:01:12.640 more dissatisfied with the work that i would still have to put in at that job it would take extremely

03:01:20.640 high character and and incredible integrity to put in the same amount of work and effort knowing that

03:01:26.960 you could stay at home indefinitely for half the paycheck and then get another job with that time

03:01:32.480 sure but you were the one who was talking about smv and as a woman ages her smv goes down so that's a

03:01:36.400 huge risk because what are the odds that another guy is going to date her you know what i mean with a with

03:01:41.520 a kid and who's adorable say some guy will but if women are hypergamous it won't be the type of guy

03:01:46.320 she wants so that's a big factor i don't think women are getting divorced for fun or for this like

03:01:50.480 idea of laziness and just collecting the paycheck i don't think women want to get divorced i i refuse

03:01:56.160 to believe that mothers are that callous that they're like i'm just going to collect the paycheck

03:01:59.280 and then find another husband i don't think that's what they're thinking of in their 50s when they have

03:02:02.800 three kids at home yeah or they stay together for the children i don't think that's a good idea well i mean

03:02:10.720 that's just some of the reasons that i've seen that why they stay in a marriage oh it's certainly

03:02:16.400 something that people endorse a lot yeah to stay together for the children but i mean if if

03:02:21.600 what's going on in marriages is so terrible for women and with the risk of infidelity then

03:02:28.960 i mean do you agree with me that marriage in general whether it's for a man or a woman is

03:02:32.880 is a bad move and say bad move i said it's a risk but it's a risk within your control like i said

03:02:37.840 it's not flipping a coin or something you decide whether you're going to cheat you decide whether

03:02:41.600 you need a divorce you decide whether you work on your communication it's not like jumping off a

03:02:45.360 plane and 50 chance the parachute's gonna open or not i think but people fall out of love i mean

03:02:51.680 i i would say most relationship breakdowns aren't even necessarily i don't even think it's necessarily

03:02:58.400 someone's done something wrong yeah relationships don't have to be bad in order to end

03:03:03.120 yeah so and look i'm a businessman right you know i'm a businessman because you find me

03:03:10.960 at my place as a business and i just i don't sign contracts that don't benefit me so

03:03:19.680 that was kind of my point is not only is it a disproportionate risk but what's the what's the

03:03:23.520 upside there really isn't i can tell you the upside the upside used to be

03:03:28.560 she would sleep with you can i say the upside can i say my perspective on the upside you mean

03:03:35.200 the upside as a man as from marriage in general well we're talking about it from the man's perspective

03:03:40.320 okay what's the upside of marriage the upside in marriage is that what a lot of people don't

03:03:45.040 understand is that men and women complement each other in the craziest way possible men and women

03:03:51.040 have completely different brains we're completely different creatures but when you work together and

03:03:55.120 you communicate through things men have a fantastic perspective on certain things and women have a

03:04:00.400 fantastic perspective on things long-term relationship yeah i agree with all that you

03:04:05.200 grow together more and more and more as a couple and and when long-term relationship and like raise

03:04:12.320 children in a long-term relationship yes you don't yeah but you don't need you're talking about

03:04:17.280 you can get all of the things you listed in a long-term relationship you need not get married

03:04:21.840 are you talking about like marriages without the the papers you know what i'm saying no i'm just

03:04:27.520 yeah you can you can just be in a long-term relationship how do you establish it okay but

03:04:33.120 how does both parties know it's a long-term for life relationship but you don't even know that if

03:04:37.760 you get married that's kind of our point because it's an at-will relationship i know that because

03:04:42.160 i don't base our marriage off what i listed earlier but that's but you but you're you're talking from

03:04:47.120 the religious perspective correct even godly even godly pious people get divorced i know because

03:04:54.240 honestly this is a personal story my husband and i have been through problems like we've been married

03:04:58.560 for going on 12 years now but that doesn't mean we never had problems we had lots of problems and we

03:05:04.720 had you know times where we didn't think we were going to make it but when i understood that marriage

03:05:09.760 wasn't you know all the external stuff and i understood it was

03:05:13.360 the consummation that's what sealed it for me and i know not everyone can relate to that because

03:05:18.880 they've had past partners but that's fine like when you're in christ you make that vow to him

03:05:25.360 in front of him and you make that it's not just a vow it's a covenant that you make right but not

03:05:30.160 not all people subscribe to the uh religion that you do and it's not religion it's not even just

03:05:36.960 strictly religion we kind of well i have something i have i have something to mention okay i wasn't

03:05:42.880 planning on going like in detail but listen my husband and i we got married when we were both 21

03:05:48.480 okay he was a virgin i was a virgin here's the thing this is not a religious thing it is a human

03:05:55.360 thing like i said before have you ever heard of blood covenants huh blood covenants blood covenants is

03:06:01.840 this some like true blood vampire shit or like you go back to the vikings era and the viking civilization

03:06:07.760 you guys did a blood covenant yeah you know how in like war times um two opposing parties would like

03:06:15.600 cut their hand right here and make a blood covenant and say they're not going to betray each other you

03:06:19.520 know what i mean you know what i'm talking about i was actually going to bring that up earlier but

03:06:24.160 that's not yeah i've seen it you seem like someone who would do a blood covenant have you ever slashed

03:06:30.160 someone's tires by the way just curious i have done worse than that oh hold on we'll come back to

03:06:37.120 the marriage really quick let's just dive into this you've done worse than slashing tires like um well

03:06:44.000 i would say my what did you do well my my well both of my last relationships um like

03:06:52.960 i i would um well for my first one i damaged his things um and i you damaged his things can you be

03:07:04.560 more specific please um like i slashed up his bed so that way he won't bring other women that wouldn't

03:07:14.160 stop me no i'm kidding um he wouldn't he wouldn't be comfortable at least i mean guys will give us a

03:07:22.080 cardboard box we'll throw it down but if a girl saw that she'd be less likely to you that's true

03:07:28.000 but if if we could get away with a cardboard box we would be living in cardboard boxes um so you you

03:07:34.560 you took a knife opened up his bed did you put like a fish in there the springs everything you

03:07:40.800 took out the springs it was completely holy shit disassembled disassembled the bed what else you

03:07:48.720 destroyed did you burn his well my chemical romance cds no um so my the other one um i pretty much uh

03:07:58.560 uh you're leaving out so many details tell us it's kind of embarrassing spill it spill it it's all good

03:08:05.040 this is what nobody's watching this okay well i'm not proud of it i'm not proud that's totally fine

03:08:09.520 but basically um you can confess later he he moved down with another girl and um i ended up finding out

03:08:17.520 all her information and i and um i pretty much like you shanked her no okay i i kind of threatened to

03:08:27.280 tell her boyfriend that she was seeing because i ended up finding out that she was in a relationship

03:08:33.680 and i found out her boyfriend's email and his um social media but i didn't do it though

03:08:41.040 i i said i was gonna do it and then i would um this is pretty time a dollar to his um landlord

03:08:48.400 and tell him to call me so i could talk to him um and like i showed up to his house and i found out

03:08:56.960 where he moved and things so you're you're stalked your i stalked him a little your ex-boyfriend

03:09:03.760 well no i only let's talk about property damage though tell us tell us more about the property

03:09:08.320 damage well that was just it just the bed thing just the bed that's it that's not that bad it's

03:09:15.280 pretty bad but okay yeah you said you damaged his stuff but you just should she be saying this

03:09:23.840 statute of limitations how long ago was this it's probably a misdemeanor so was it within the past

03:09:28.400 year um no no no charges were pressed or anything but like how how was this like three years ago

03:09:35.440 because if it's a misdemeanor you're you're good no i no charges i didn't get in trouble

03:09:41.520 he doesn't watch the podcast did you just the bed that's it you said you did way worse than slash

03:09:46.640 tires i mean well well the stocking and stuff and um and and the stocking and stuff yeah was there and

03:09:56.320 stuff or just the stocking um i feel like there's something you're not there's something else you're

03:10:05.200 just like i don't know if i want to say i did that yeah did you light his clothes on fire

03:10:09.920 no i did i did take his clothes and i scattered them around the desert lot the desert lot yeah

03:10:18.880 were you in new mexico what no because i i live in like a desert town you're in a where's that

03:10:25.040 lancaster is that the desert i don't know like it's like it's like a it's just a lot of okay you're in

03:10:29.920 the desert yeah so they have like did you bury it is there like a cactus or some shit nearby

03:10:36.720 yeah there were cactuses yeah okay i just and i also important details blankets too you took his

03:10:42.240 blankets all of his blankets you're like a bedroom terrorist you took you fucked up his bed you took

03:10:49.360 his blankets how's he gonna sleep it's cold in the desert i guess he can't that could technically

03:10:55.680 if he succumbed to hypothermia he'll survive manslaughter okay so that's the word anyone

03:11:04.480 else here slash tires i think maybe you over here me be honest you slashed some tires in your in your

03:11:09.680 day i never have i haven't done anything crazy i want to know if doing all that did it make you feel

03:11:16.240 better in the end or like do you regret it now like looking back on it you're like wow i was kind

03:11:22.960 of kooky for doing that or do you just think it's like an accurate reason to respond to something

03:11:28.800 that someone did you well like i said i'm not proud of it but that i was just reacting off emotion at the

03:11:35.600 moment because i was just so angry so um that's how i did how i took out my anger um because i felt

03:11:44.400 betrayed by the person um so i wanted to just get like my leg back in some way you know like i don't

03:11:51.760 want to just walk away and like i don't know sometimes sometimes i'm kind of like i'm tired

03:11:57.680 of like being the bigger person you know has anyone else here slashed anybody show of hands

03:12:03.440 any tire slashers in the group anybody any tire slashes you know what happened to the girl that

03:12:09.280 you like oh they're still together wow good gave them something to bond over yeah if anything yeah

03:12:17.200 like so if any so to anybody that thinks about that like just don't do it because you're just

03:12:23.440 gonna push them together that's right you know they're gonna for sure like they're gonna be like

03:12:29.280 oh my god oh i can't believe it and comfort each other and you know like it just it doesn't work

03:12:35.120 tell us wait when it comes to the stalking were you just how many uh times would you call in a row

03:12:43.440 like 20 times in a row from blocked numbers are you the blocked number type of stalker i i used

03:12:48.800 the text now app and i would regenerate a new number every time he blocked the number i regenerated a

03:12:54.400 new number so in in one day in a 24-hour period what's the most amount of times that you tried to

03:12:59.360 call him like 50. 50 times yeah that's got my x beat um uh okay 50 times

03:13:07.520 emails were you emailing him yeah emails emails sending him uh what kind of i sent him videos like

03:13:17.920 i'm trying to talk to him uh what kind of videos i made fake accounts what kind of videos are we

03:13:22.880 talking here like nude videos or like i'm gonna murder you videos no no nude videos just more like

03:13:29.120 just more like question question were you holding the knife in any of the videos no

03:13:35.920 was the knife in the background in any of the videos no okay i never i never threatened to

03:13:41.040 like hurt him or anything it was just more like okay more like i was like you were come back okay

03:13:47.360 it was like a tame it wasn't like a scary stalking it was like an annoying stalking yeah just being

03:13:52.400 annoying just trying to like went trying to like get him back trying to talk to him trying to convince him

03:13:58.320 um and he was saying no yeah no how many how many days were you calling him like was it just a one

03:14:05.840 day 50 calls in a day or was that like it was just a one day and then as and as time moved on like

03:14:14.240 like probably like once in a while i would like try to contact him but i was just blocked on everything so

03:14:21.200 it just became more difficult and then at the end i was like you know this isn't working this isn't

03:14:26.240 helping so i should just drop it i'm not gonna lie it's kind of hot when a girl's that obsessed with

03:14:31.520 you just saying okay i'm kidding um i kind of was obsessed with him like that's how i am with my

03:14:37.120 partners like i do become like the obsessive type um so you know how like earlier he was um you were

03:14:46.320 talking about the door and uh and the door the doors i think we stepped out for that we were

03:14:53.520 talking about the adored and the adore yeah yeah i'm usually like the door i feel like that's what's

03:14:58.080 up you know sounds like and i and then you and then you had me you had made a comment that that it's

03:15:03.760 better to be a door how tall are you i hated being the door she's my height wait you're four what i'm

03:15:09.680 four eleven yeah hold on four eleven game

03:15:23.440 yeah i'm sorry it's just um like for once i would like to be adored you know because because

03:15:32.080 it hurts when the person does not reciprocate you know word and then i feel that yeah i feel it yeah

03:15:39.360 that's often what happens is that people get fed up about having their affections not being

03:15:43.760 reciprocated and they try to find somebody who does adore them and generally they get really bored

03:15:49.840 because the person who's being adored doesn't have that emotional experience and it can be

03:15:53.840 really hard if you're not used to it like for certain people it really works but for other people

03:15:58.880 they actually want to have that feeling and if that feeling isn't there the relationship kind of

03:16:02.800 isn't worth it for them word let's go back to marriage really quick then we got a couple super

03:16:07.760 chats and then uh actually let me do the super chats then we'll do the marriage thing okay we have

03:16:13.040 wait i did this one okay we have rav uh 99 is big mama based brian shout out the 805 but oxnard sucks

03:16:22.480 sock check brian i'm actually normally i wear black socks but i got white socks they're kind of

03:16:27.360 goofy looking tonight so um is who's big mama

03:16:31.680 i have no idea shout out to 805 what's up oxnard doesn't really count though we 805 is santa

03:16:41.520 barbara proper okay and then we have sweet tooth hey thank you man uh as a high voltage electrician

03:16:47.840 you're welcome brian thank you for all your work hey like i said with the trucker man

03:16:53.520 bro bro you're you are the backbone of society electric we don't need podcasters you know you know

03:17:05.360 we need hard-working men that are going to contribute to the infrastructure of society and it's a shame that

03:17:15.920 um feminists hate men because men are kind of awesome i don't know why i'm looking at far

03:17:24.480 you're putting us against electricians how dare yes i'm the backbone yes you couldn't finish the

03:17:30.080 end of your compliments you turned it on us i was but keep going keep praising him oh yeah of course

03:17:36.960 political you know just because uh i feel like men don't get enough appreciation there's too much

03:17:44.720 vilification of men in society when let's be honest if all men disappeared tomorrow

03:17:50.160 would hit the fan major and it's because of men like sweet tooth question a little questionable name

03:17:58.560 you know just saying but it's because of men like sweet tooth electricians people who work in

03:18:04.720 infrastructure transport that society functions and these men are not appreciated

03:18:10.240 do you think if all women disappeared shit wouldn't hit the fan you would all thrive well

03:18:17.760 so society would continue functioning really yes it would it would not be good but like

03:18:27.200 if if and i'll really we can talk about like hypothetical situations but if you compare all men

03:18:34.160 disappearing to all women disappearing within 72 hours you basically have it wouldn't be good for

03:18:41.840 if all women disappeared but like the basic necessities like to keep society functioning

03:18:47.440 society would continue functioning whereas society wouldn't exist if women stopped giving birth to

03:18:53.440 well if either gender if either gender is dis well actually sperm banks well actually here's the

03:18:59.600 thing though what those sperm banks you okay you need power the here's the thing men keep society

03:19:09.120 functioning what about when men left and every woman became like rosie the riveter she didn't

03:19:13.360 really hit the fan well there were still men involved in the uh infrastructure of the country

03:19:19.520 not all men were sent off to are you i assume you're talking about world war ii

03:19:22.880 where women were involved in the the war effort yes largely women did i mean not all men went off to

03:19:30.720 war but uh women did show up for the war effort and took on jobs that would have otherwise been

03:19:38.640 jobs occupied by men so doesn't that prove that women can rise to the occasion and do male dominated

03:19:44.160 jobs if the need arises with with the appropriate planning and time but the the specific scenario is if all

03:19:51.520 women disappear or all men disappear you wouldn't have the necessary time to introduce women into

03:19:58.640 these critical uh fields so men are vilified and undervalued because if you gave women 24 hours to

03:20:07.280 resume society after their disappearance we would need more time like i'm not following i'm not following

03:20:12.320 the question you're saying men are vilified because if they disappeared tomorrow women can take over

03:20:16.560 they're not vilified because of that i'm saying that there's there's this uh sort of underlying thing

03:20:22.800 where it's cool to like shit on men and like hate men and there's the patriarchy and men are trash and

03:20:29.040 you hear all this from like typically feminists and uh i don't think that there's enough appreciation

03:20:35.200 of the hard work that just normal men do to basically keep society functioning i agree with that

03:20:42.480 the the infrastructure in this country in in all countries is created maintained is created hold

03:20:51.440 on what am i is created and maintained by men sure i just don't think feminists undervalue that labor

03:20:56.560 like feminists a lot of them are socialists they believe in unions they believe in raising the minimum

03:21:00.400 wage and that affects these guys who are like electricians and the one doing like the heavy manual

03:21:04.960 labor and keeping society running like i don't think feminists are undervaluing these men maybe like a few

03:21:09.680 radfems on tiktok saying kill all men but i don't think that's i mean it's kind of it's kind of the

03:21:14.800 mainstream like feminist take there's contempt for men by i would say most feminists okay i don't think

03:21:22.320 that's true on social media everything's polarized for clickbait same way i don't think you guys represent

03:21:27.200 the average male view sure well i mean here's the difference though i mean you're saying it's these radical

03:21:33.680 feminists but uh feminism has seeped its claws into pretty much every system and every uh

03:21:41.600 pretty much every realm of of human life the the mainstream media you have academia every single

03:21:49.840 university in this country has a feminist study or a woman's study or a gender study program which

03:21:56.080 preaches feminism yeah i didn't say that i said radical feminism like this notion of hate like male

03:22:01.520 hatred i don't know if that's well stepped into every corner of life would you say that the

03:22:06.560 one of the core tenets of feminism is the patriarchy theory that seems i'm i mean in mainstream feminist

03:22:12.880 academia they teach patriarchy theory sure do you think uh teaching about like racial oppression is uh

03:22:20.960 hatred against white people i guess i'm not saying why doing gender studies no i know i'm saying

03:22:24.880 let's stay focused on gender studies is hatred towards men well here's here's how i think it is is

03:22:31.840 because if your your core message that you're preaching is patriarchy and patriarchy theory and

03:22:40.080 you're teaching vast swaths of women that men are oppressors and that women are oppressed then you are

03:22:49.200 essentially teaching teaching women to have contempt for men because if you're pitting men and women in

03:22:55.520 this war that again if men are the oppressors and women are the oppressed typically you don't teach

03:23:03.440 someone who is oppressed to have any positive feelings towards the oppressor class now i reject

03:23:10.000 that men as a class are oppressors i see it in the language i always thought this was interesting it's like

03:23:15.840 because of feminist movements we generally don't say even firemen or postmen like fire persons we

03:23:21.920 don't say stewardess anymore like there's a lot of language policing with respect to that movement but the

03:23:27.680 movement for equality between the genders is called feminism and the good point antagonist towards that

03:23:34.640 process is the patriarchy i just think that's really interesting it should just be egalitarianism

03:23:42.320 but it's feminine and it's interesting you make a really good point because there's this push okay

03:23:47.920 we can't have policemen fire firemen anymore it has to be firefighters but in the very movement itself

03:23:55.440 it's gendered feminism the supposed movement for equality is gendered and and the main obstacle towards

03:24:04.480 that equality is gendered

03:24:05.520 i don't know how we got to that by the way

03:24:13.120 what why are you are you staring daggers at me i'm that's your smoking gun that the word feminism

03:24:18.880 has fem in it like it's not my well i mean it's it's that's one of the anti-male yeah but well it's

03:24:25.680 more just that's not my biggest grievance with feminism but it is interesting to me that a lot of feminists

03:24:32.000 push for renaming certain occupations so they're more gender neutral however the supposed movement

03:24:39.760 that is at the forefront of fighting for equality continues to call itself feminism

03:24:47.040 when it should just be egalitarianism

03:24:51.040 i guess it's semantics i don't think well i don't think it's semantics because feminism is an

03:24:55.200 idea ideology that's basically steeped in men man hatred i don't know i don't see it that way but

03:25:01.200 feminism is super broad i'm sure there's like i said there are a lot of feminists who genuinely

03:25:05.760 well if if you step into a like a feminist feminism 101 class at any university in this country

03:25:12.160 they're going to teach patriarchy theory which suggests that women are and were oppressed and that

03:25:20.560 men are to be blamed for that by virtue of their gender yeah those classes aren't teaching you to

03:25:27.760 hate the male electrician they're saying that people who occupy positions of power

03:25:31.520 have tended to can you just tilt your microphone down they aren't teaching women to hate like the

03:25:35.360 male electrician or like male homeless people they're saying patriarchy theories that saying people

03:25:39.600 who hold positions of power have tended to be male and they continue to tend to be male this is

03:25:44.400 feminism attacked positions of positions of power including husbands and fathers their position of

03:25:51.760 power and authority in the home so it's it's attacking everything from the foundation it's done a lot

03:25:58.160 i think the fact that now you know it's considered rape if you oh sorry if it's considered grape if you

03:26:04.320 grape your wife that's a product of feminism that's would you consider that also being male hatred

03:26:09.680 i'm not sure what was the question what's the question um that's a feminist thing that happened

03:26:16.000 before it wasn't considered grape if a man graped his wife it was just considered like a part of your

03:26:22.000 marriage so when feminists were the ones who pushed for that or that's part of feminism do you consider

03:26:26.160 that hatred of men that's actually why that came out and i think in the 60s and 70s and i think the

03:26:33.600 argument for that was that there's sort of a lifelong consent when you well okay if if one of

03:26:42.160 just point blank period if someone is not not consenting and like that's wrong point playing

03:26:48.640 period i don't care if you're married if one partner is not consenting to sexual activity but

03:26:53.760 they consider the consent implied like our dialogue of consent is getting pushed by feminists in these

03:26:59.040 so-called man-hating spaces i they considered the consent assumed in feminist spaces or you mean

03:27:07.280 like like you're saying that lack of consent is always bad but i'm saying yes they would consider

03:27:12.560 just the fact that you got married well they're all sex is consensual within that institution of

03:27:17.360 marriage like the definition of consent changes with the times and the the cultural scene that's not

03:27:23.680 like the root or the this is like a gotcha or something i mean like how's it a gotcha i'm saying

03:27:28.160 you gave you were talking about consent and i was saying they would have probably said that's

03:27:31.600 still consensual i mean you brought up that question what question i mean this is the this

03:27:36.400 that's the one example you brought up of in the past consent was assumed and look there were all kinds

03:27:44.080 of shitty uh shitty uh ways in which people uh moved throughout the world historically right but i'm

03:27:52.560 just saying slavery when feminists were looking out for wives in that instance you wouldn't consider it

03:27:57.040 that being hatred towards men well hold on i mean i'm i'm not saying that every single thing that

03:28:02.960 feminists have done or or have fought for are bad things i believe in equality between the genders

03:28:10.160 i think this is because feminism has evolved a great but i mean i mean if the example you're giving

03:28:15.040 certainly disavow if if one part regardless of their uh marital status if one person is non-consenting then

03:28:22.560 that yeah that's that's pretty bad right but even today feminists will say in the me too movement

03:28:28.640 like a lot of consent isn't being respected but then some men will say oh they're just

03:28:32.320 man-hitting feminists they want to call us all great bests so i'm saying it's the same conversation

03:28:36.960 just in a new era well i mean that's one component of feminism but i don't see how that's really related

03:28:45.360 yeah i don't know if that how that's super related i mean i i know that for example that sort of violence is

03:28:50.320 is is you know perhaps something that disproportionately impacts women um so it is

03:28:57.120 gendered to some degree but i mean there's all kinds of examples if we can bring it though back

03:29:01.360 to the patriarchy um i just i don't know i don't even really remember where we where we were kind of

03:29:09.120 going but if it makes you feel better under the patriarchy you know before feminism grape and murder

03:29:16.960 were already illegal and punished by the patriarchy by men men punished men who did those awful acts

03:29:25.840 i just wanted to say that i believe that men and women are are very important in today's society and

03:29:32.800 i have a very um opposing opinion and i would believe that men are in some ways even more um capable of

03:29:40.240 some things that's what i believe uh it says in the bible i know it's very controversial um but

03:29:45.920 that's that's what i believe i think men and women are obviously very capable and very strong um in a

03:29:50.480 lot of aspects but i think men do have certain abilities that maybe women don't okay oh i think

03:29:57.680 it was because of the electrician super chat that came in well let's get this one we have speedy d on

03:30:02.400 silent thank you man trying to find a decent women the country with no history of promiscuity is

03:30:08.240 basically impossible as a man who has never had hookups of any kind i will not accept a woman's

03:30:14.160 past of hookup and promiscuity it's all a mess speedy d on silent thank you for your uh donation

03:30:20.080 man appreciate it and uh yeah good for you man uh you everyone's entitled to their preferences standards

03:30:25.840 and boundaries and you should not feel obliged to accept someone's past promiscuity um okay so

03:30:33.120 uh i'm trying to remember where we were you were telling us about your slashed story or you didn't

03:30:39.040 slide anyone here slashed any tires i'm trying to remember oh we were talking about marriage okay let

03:30:44.080 me get back to marriage really quick i wanted to touch on that really quick okay so look my whole thing

03:30:49.200 is is you should never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it so no sane informed

03:30:55.200 man would or should sign that contract tegan did you have something yes i think the only difference

03:31:02.240 between what you're saying and actual marriage is just the concept that like if you're in marriage

03:31:09.760 you're less likely to want to give up on that relationship because of the money issues if

03:31:14.560 that's what you're saying you know so so what you're saying is marriage is two people staying

03:31:18.560 together under threat of a lawsuit from the other i mean that's also kind of sounds like love to me

03:31:25.600 isn't it huh isn't that also kind of why you well that's why that's why i'm against it but your argument is

03:31:31.280 well because of the financial ramifications they're more likely to stick it out but what i'm

03:31:36.240 saying that i'm not saying it's an argument i'm just saying that's kind of sure another way to look

03:31:39.840 at it so i think it's kind of just like if if someone believes that marriage is what it takes to

03:31:46.000 be committed to someone and they're going to do that if not then they don't have to get married you

03:31:49.280 know yeah but i don't think the basis for my commitment should be my fear of losing half my assets

03:31:54.720 i think i i should i want to stay with somebody because i love them and i you know well of course

03:32:00.960 yeah not because i'm not not because of fear um and but here's the thing though usually in marriage

03:32:07.760 it's the man that loses in that situation when the divorce does occur right the negative outcomes of

03:32:14.640 divorce disproportionately impact men that's why i wanted to kind of finish my thought earlier yeah go

03:32:21.600 ahead um like i said my husband and i have gone through rough patches where we didn't think we

03:32:26.640 would stay married um for me what changed my heart and my mind was understanding that we made a blood

03:32:33.440 covenant it's not some weird freaky witchcraft type of thing it's literally something humans have been

03:32:39.440 doing forever so like i said he was a virgin i was a virgin when we got married and obviously when you

03:32:45.200 have sex um you know there is blood because you're a virgin and when i understood that we made a pact

03:32:53.600 and a covenant in blood i knew that even if i couldn't stand him i hated him i wanted to leave him

03:33:02.080 he's my husband no matter what i do no matter where i go if i separate no matter what i do he's my husband

03:33:08.160 and i am you know his wife and if i slept with another man i am committing adultery before god

03:33:16.080 because i've made that pact with him and like i said this is something that people have been doing

03:33:22.240 since the beginning of time um in wars um in you know even religious settings and in the old testament

03:33:30.960 for this to make sense to people and especially christians in the old testament

03:33:34.400 when the israelites israelites sinned they sacrificed animals and that was their offering

03:33:41.360 and that blood spilled was the way that their their sins could be forgiven and then in the new

03:33:47.440 testament it wasn't animals it was jesus christ that was sacrificed and his blood was spilled so that

03:33:53.280 whoever believes in him would be saved and their sins would be forgiven so blood covenant is the most

03:33:59.040 powerful type of covenant you could make and as christians you know you understand that in the

03:34:04.880 you see it in the old testament you see it in the new testament and when you get married

03:34:09.440 you are making that pact if you're both virgins you made that pact if you're not and you have a history

03:34:15.280 that pact is made in the blood of christ and like i said i don't believe in born again virgins as in

03:34:21.200 you're biologically a virgin again your hymen is intact again when you gave your life to christ no it's not

03:34:26.080 but the blood of christ forgives you and you made that covenant with your husband regardless of your

03:34:30.240 past you made that pact and that covenant in christ does that make sense so i'm saying all that to say

03:34:35.840 i'm not i don't condemn anybody with a past because like i said our society is so screwed up

03:34:40.320 we're 60 years past the sexual revolution we have a lot of work to do here but i'm just sharing my

03:34:46.160 perspective that i don't view my marriage based on you know our ceremony our wedding day or even our

03:34:53.360 wedding ring or our paperwork that we sign at the government one time for like 30 minutes at their

03:34:57.920 office we're married because i made a blood covenant with him and there's no separating that

03:35:04.160 there's no what god put together let no man separate it and there's no divorce for me there's

03:35:09.760 no separating from me there's no adultery for me because i gave my life to him and i'm creating life

03:35:16.240 with him we have five children and we're going to have grandchildren and this is a long-term lifelong

03:35:20.560 thing and not just that it's a generational thing and so it's not just a religious you know pact it's

03:35:26.800 even a biological a scientific pact and i wish that we could you know slowly get back to that

03:35:33.200 understanding and even though we have mistakes and we've done things wrong we could teach the next

03:35:38.960 generation to do it better than we do and just in the same way that the sexual revolution screwed us up

03:35:44.080 we can go back they taught us you know sexual revolution feminism and all of that taught us

03:35:50.400 that this is the way to go about life is to sleep around well we can be the change we can tell the

03:35:55.920 next generation starting from right now 2023 this is how you do life i've done it the other way and it

03:36:03.040 hurt and it messed us up we have so much divorce we have so much abortion we have so many you know just

03:36:09.680 people just sleeping around and we don't know how to love each other we don't even know how to

03:36:12.560 talk to each other as men and women and we see the fruit of all of that and we can be the change

03:36:17.200 and say this is not how you do it son this is not how you do it daughter you can be the change i've

03:36:23.120 tasted the fruit of the sexual revolution of hookup culture of this degeneracy and i don't want you

03:36:28.960 to taste it i want you to do better than me and that's what we get to do as you know husband and

03:36:34.480 wife as mother and father and that's what lost and i get to do that's my husband that's what we get

03:36:40.240 to do for our children and then they get to teach their children and honestly it feels so helpless

03:36:46.480 because the world is so messed up but it's not helpless in the same way that they screwed us up

03:36:51.280 we can change it we can change the director the we can change the direction that it's going

03:36:56.880 and we can change the red sorry we can change the rhetoric does that make sense

03:37:01.120 you can change it you see the fruit of it you don't like it be the change

03:37:09.920 that was moving well said well said that was good that was good wow

03:37:15.520 i'm not like saying oh i'm a virgin i got married when i was you know young and i was a virgin like

03:37:20.960 i don't have any self-righteousness in myself the only righteousness i have is in christ so i'm not

03:37:26.480 better than any of you yeah well and so it's just that we need jesus and we need to change things and

03:37:32.400 we need better for our children does that make sense sure and i appreciate you opening up about

03:37:37.440 that i mean just going back though to um you know you mentioned blood covenant and and religion and

03:37:43.040 jesus um i i mean the the problem with all that though when it comes to marriage and and this

03:37:52.880 your train of conversation there started off kind of because i brought it back to marriage

03:37:56.800 is that what people who are trad cons traditional conservatives is they feel to realize that the

03:38:03.600 state provide uh excuse me you fail to realize that the state presides over your marriage not your

03:38:11.280 biblical values so when the woman is unhappy she's going to the state not god so even women

03:38:22.000 who are godly and pious even if you're a man and you're godly and pious it is not a bulletproof

03:38:29.440 path towards an everlasting marriage that is never subject to the negative ramifications of divorce

03:38:36.800 and even without the paperwork women can leave right if they're just not happy if the marriage is

03:38:42.240 not healthy they can just leave whether or not the man has any money for her to get from the

03:38:47.040 divorce so the problem is just that men and women wives and husbands need to understand each other

03:38:52.240 and thankfully my husband and i stayed together because we learned the truth and we learned how to

03:38:58.080 work through our problems and we didn't divorce and that's the whole reason why we do any of this stuff

03:39:04.960 online you know coaching and all of that is because we learned some things the hard way and we want to

03:39:11.200 pass on what we learned because it saved our marriage does that make sense well and i i mean

03:39:16.240 first off i obviously want to congratulate you because it sounds like you have a good marriage

03:39:20.320 and i'm not saying that people can't have good marriages um i i guess just my whole thing is is that

03:39:27.040 as a guy it's it's not a risk i it's it's a risk and you know um i think orion was making a really

03:39:36.480 really good point here is you know when the financial incentives are there for women to pursue

03:39:44.000 a divorce it could be like you know it looks very tempting to just be like you know what i can get

03:39:52.720 all this money i'm kind of we're arguing blah blah blah okay let me just leave i can get this money if

03:40:00.800 if there's if you put in front of somebody hmm okay i can get paid fifty thousand dollars a year

03:40:06.720 let's say your your man's a high earner he's going to pay some certain alimony payment we've heard of

03:40:11.120 astronomical alimony payments in the six figures seven figures eight figures um i perhaps you know look

03:40:20.080 well i guess one of my points here is that this is a really high bar and we don't see this in

03:40:25.520 relationships in society very often like what jobs do people that exist in the world where like no

03:40:31.520 matter what you cannot be removed from that position like pope like supreme court justice

03:40:39.520 like and and and those folks are vetted over decades of a career and i'd like to think that what we've

03:40:49.040 seen throughout most of human history is that when we give people a place where under no

03:40:55.200 circumstances they can be removed we see a tendency towards abuse well the bible says that if there's

03:41:01.680 adultery it's grounds for divorce if there's abuse and you're physically like endangered like you're

03:41:08.720 in a life or death situation you should separate you know what i mean and if it's not worked out

03:41:13.120 then yeah i mean but most people divorce before those things happen and i think if women

03:41:19.680 felt like loved or whatever and men felt respected in their marriage they wouldn't get divorced so

03:41:27.520 it's not the money that wives are after i don't believe that i believe that they're seeking emotional

03:41:34.640 relational intimacy and the problem is across the board wives and husbands are the problem

03:41:40.160 wives and husbands can be the solution well i would i would i agree with you to a certain extent i think that if

03:41:46.160 if a man feels respect and woman feels loved they're not going to leave the relationship

03:41:51.680 but that doesn't necessarily mean just because they feel loved or respected that they should get married

03:41:56.720 which well because again why like why is it that women catch the bouquet at weddings

03:42:06.160 so they could get married next right exactly why isn't there anything equivalent about that for men

03:42:10.800 ever because it's different for men exactly and men don't truly men don't have to get married it's

03:42:18.160 more about a girl like even in exactly marriage is about security for women that's right no culture

03:42:23.200 like indians like even with that it's kind of similar to this where it's like once you get the arranged

03:42:28.720 marriage like your parents set you up and this is not even like that long ago but like even my parents

03:42:34.480 like they had no choice like they were like set up and it was like a done deal okay so it's like

03:42:41.040 yeah that's basically it but what i'm trying to say is like for men it's different like men they

03:42:45.440 don't have to do that like it's not like a death sentence men want to marry because they want to procreate

03:42:52.480 and they want sex and they want a woman like that's just common but all that was happening before marriage

03:43:00.000 happened but so it shouldn't be well that's a moral judgment and i think that basically marriage

03:43:06.000 it's also a biological thing you know marriage i think started as a as a way of instituting social

03:43:12.720 control because when when when a man and woman have sex so i think it has to do with a form of social

03:43:18.480 control because it's bad for society to have a bunch of like parentless kids running around

03:43:23.760 that's why i say that inherently the institution of marriage is about creating a context in which

03:43:28.400 children can be raised everything above that the religiosity the romance the legality the status

03:43:37.360 is not something the institution of marriage is designed by nature to sustain and that's why marriage

03:43:43.600 fails like marriage didn't even become a covenant in the catholic church until the 16th century

03:43:51.680 jesus was not married the popes do not get married so like religiosity is something that was added

03:43:59.360 to marriage further down the line and then even further down the line there was a conflation of two

03:44:06.000 concepts the love affair and the like let's say the family arrangement and like the love marriage was

03:44:17.200 born and and i think that love marriage has actually done more damage to the institution of marriage than

03:44:22.480 social media and feminism well let's let's let's move off of uh the marriage thing here but uh look

03:44:30.640 it's kind of vanilla as a dude in today's day and age to get married um if if we want to see a return

03:44:38.400 to traditional values and a return to marriage i think a couple things need to happen divorce needs to

03:44:45.120 be stigmatized which used to be the case but is no longer the case that's never going to happen

03:44:53.120 the other thing is there needs to be a rewriting of marriage laws if you want to see people start

03:44:58.320 getting married again get rid of alimony it's it's a holdover of days where where basically women

03:45:07.760 couldn't go out into the workforce and make their own money and perhaps there are some scenarios where

03:45:17.600 alimony may be warranted but you know if you want men to start getting married get rid i mean perhaps get

03:45:26.320 rid of no fault divorce or just do a rewriting of the marriage laws where men aren't financially

03:45:32.080 destroyed in the event of divorce i think it's that's probably the most realistic way to bring

03:45:39.680 people back towards marriage and we should probably see con uh conservative politicians pushing for a

03:45:49.120 rewriting of the marriage laws if they value marriage but i it's not clear to me if conservatives really

03:45:54.640 are prepared to um do any sort of redo of how marriage or how divorce uh plays out in the united states so

03:46:06.960 i think that's the big thing um if you want to see people getting married again divorce has to be

03:46:13.600 uh stigmatized on the social level and they need to rewrite the uh divorce you know marriage laws divorce

03:46:21.440 laws and perhaps we need to return to traditional values but i agree with that brian personally but

03:46:27.440 but the only the only one that can really be changed i don't think that there's

03:46:35.680 i don't think you're going to convince like hyper liberal people that to return to traditional

03:46:40.400 values you can i think people who are conservative or traditional can maintain the status quo within their

03:46:46.240 communities and you can try to bring people to more traditional values but it's not like hookup culture

03:46:52.560 is here um so yeah i i don't i don't think there's going to be a huge uh incentive for men to be dying to

03:47:05.040 get married especially a lot of men are waking up to the uh absolute destruction that occurs to them when

03:47:10.560 they do get divorced so yeah um let's see do we have any super chats eric we have uh dustin bond

03:47:17.920 following trad roles where women stays at home and raises kids giving up career pursuits and man goes

03:47:23.040 to work providing for the family without the consequences of dividing financial resources if

03:47:27.280 divorce occurs the man has unreasonable leverage and power over his partner

03:47:35.600 if divorce occurs the man has unreasonable leverage and power over his partner

03:47:40.560 okay word i think that makes sense yeah where i mean the the argument for alimony is basically look

03:47:49.760 if uh a woman a woman chose to uh disregard pursuing a career in an effort to uh raise a family i mean

03:47:59.600 well that plays a bit into child support too but um there is some argument there but i mean

03:48:04.800 that doesn't undo the fact that the man has got to pay alimony and the divorce the family court system

03:48:14.160 has a bias against men so not look if you guys want to protect yourselves protect your finances don't

03:48:21.760 get married point blank period okay um we have uh let's see here we've got i think that's that's it on

03:48:29.040 the chats um so we were going around the table and we're going to try to wrap up here pretty soon

03:48:35.440 um did anyone want to come in with like something dating related that well i think you went right

03:48:42.960 um oh yeah yeah you already go ahead sure you just brought up hookup culture so who do you think

03:48:48.400 controls hookup culture like who sets the tone for it men or women women why why yeah well because women

03:48:57.520 control access to sex right they're the gatekeepers of sex but don't you think guys kind of like lie

03:49:03.840 and manipulate women like i think a lot of women want relationships but a lot of guys want casual

03:49:07.840 sex so don't you think like the nature of modern courting is that guys will wine and dine girls and

03:49:13.440 then the girls are kind of like raise them up and lead them on to believe like they do want a

03:49:17.440 relationship sure don't you think guys are the ones who kind of carry the weight of hookup culture just by

03:49:21.760 the nature of modern courting well i definitely i definitely think that there are

03:49:27.200 certainly men out there that are going to misrepresent what they want they're going to say

03:49:32.000 i want they're going to say oh i want a relationship blah blah and then hook up with a girl once and then

03:49:37.840 never talk to her again um i think that's wrong i think you ought to be uh men to some degree play a

03:49:45.760 role but you have to ask yourself what percentage of men are playing that game and it's a small subset of men

03:49:52.480 um and i think this also plays into and it's one of the reasons why i asked the question well what

03:49:58.800 do you rate yourself on the scale of one to ten and and this is why i give the pushback if a girl for

03:50:03.760 example who at least in my view isn't a 10 but she considers herself a 10. women need to be realistic

03:50:12.480 because women do need to be careful about men who are not being misrepresenting who are misrepresenting

03:50:23.040 um because what what happens is is you have men who are more than prepared to sleep with a girl who

03:50:31.280 is less attractive than them so men will sleep with women that they would men will sleep with women

03:50:39.600 of a certain attractive attractiveness level that they would never commit to just just based off purely

03:50:47.280 their physical appearance because men not all men but a fair amount of men will sleep with women that

03:50:55.280 are less attractive than them because they welcome the easy access to sex that's interesting i've actually

03:51:00.800 heard the opposite from the red pill community that like you should like the nines and tens but you

03:51:05.360 should date the six and sevens because they're way less likely to be narcissistic way less likely to

03:51:09.520 cheat way less likely to advertise themselves on instagram now i'm with brian on this one i think

03:51:13.840 that that men will do that they have much lower standards for who they will sleep with versus who

03:51:18.160 they will get into committed relationships based off physical attractiveness yeah yeah well yeah among other

03:51:22.720 things yeah and and the difference is generally speaking i would say in order for a woman to sleep

03:51:28.560 with a guy if we're speaking just off of physical attractiveness for a woman to sleep with guy he

03:51:34.240 needs to be at least physically attractive enough for her to consider being in a relationship with him

03:51:41.760 now the same typically isn't the case for men men will sleep with women of say a lower physical

03:51:49.440 attractiveness but they would never be in a long-term committed relationship with them

03:51:56.000 them so i guess where i'm trying to draw this back to the ratings system if if women don't

03:52:04.080 have a reasonable self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness to be deceived kind of well

03:52:11.920 if if yeah because because women can fairly easily sleep with men that are more physically

03:52:19.520 attractive than them but not only more physically attractive than them women can very easily sleep with

03:52:24.400 men who have more status than them who are uh have better personalities than them who have more money

03:52:31.840 than them and so relating this back to i guess your original question um and and why it's important for

03:52:43.520 women to have a reasonable self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness um

03:52:47.760 um sorry i'm i see what you're saying so like if the girl thinks she's a 10 but she's a five and

03:52:52.960 then the guy she's dating it's like yeah i want to date you but you're it'd be easier to parse through

03:52:57.520 whether he's lying or not if you have like an accurate assessment of your own look if if you know where

03:53:01.840 you stand then you're because you might be chasing after like a certain tier of man with the hope of

03:53:11.200 get locking him down for a relationship even though that's very low likelihood or impossible because he's

03:53:16.400 just so physically attractive and women have access women have sexual access to these like really

03:53:22.480 attractive men that again will never commit to them and so if they have a unreal uh a delusional

03:53:30.160 self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness then they're gonna think i deserve that guy but

03:53:35.040 the guy who would actually be prepared to commit to them they overlook him and think well they think

03:53:41.600 they're settling for the guy who's actually their looks equivalent who's actually on their level but

03:53:46.720 they view it they they're gonna view it as i'm settling so uh yeah yeah that happens all the time

03:53:57.200 yeah and uh so i'm sorry but what was your original question about the hookup culture i kind of went on a

03:54:03.360 bit of a i just said who controls hookup culture men or women yeah i and i i think women do because

03:54:09.760 they control access to sex and and your point was that well some men are going to be deceptive and

03:54:16.240 misrepresent their intentions i think that's i think that's wrong um i think both people are lying

03:54:22.320 generally on the first date the guy's pretending that he wants a relationship and on the first date the

03:54:27.200 woman's pretending that she's okay with keeping things casual and i think that actually that's a good

03:54:34.240 trojan horse to get into a relationship a lot of guys are going to be spooked if you show up on the

03:54:40.000 first date asking and demanding where is this going what do you want what are your plans that's not

03:54:46.080 really what that sounds like a job interview and that's going to be off-putting to a lot of guys who

03:54:52.960 might not be interested in getting to know you after that point it's like how do i know what i want

03:54:58.800 from you when i'm just meeting you so being willing to go with things is sort of like the trojan horse

03:55:06.000 to get into a relationship think about some of like the best relationships that you've had if you've

03:55:11.840 had a lot of experience oftentimes it's when you're like you know this is just for a summer it's nothing

03:55:17.840 serious and you know he's going to move away in a few months so it's not going to go anywhere and then

03:55:24.400 you end up developing these really intense feelings for each other partly because there

03:55:29.200 are these like limiting factors that make it safer for you to be yourself and to show up in more like

03:55:34.800 authentic and emotional ways yeah i think the best relationships usually come at the most unexpected

03:55:40.560 times and i don't think it's uh the best idea to ask like where is this going what are you exactly

03:55:46.560 looking for on the first date because you just met them and you i think you should get to know them

03:55:51.280 first a little bit it's also not natural and you're putting like too much pressure into something

03:55:57.440 that's supposed to be seamless and natural and you know two people that are trying to get to know each

03:56:01.760 other and also i mean in general like even using any sort of dating app like already it's kind of like

03:56:08.080 i don't know it's not very natural it's not organic i disagree with that because because there's a

03:56:14.080 lot of there's a lot of like i think it's more of a time saver if you ask up front because usually guys

03:56:20.400 already know what they want you know like i've i've asked before um like like hey what are you

03:56:29.840 looking for or i've been asked and i'll say oh well i'm looking for a relationship and what about you

03:56:37.360 the guy will say oh i'm just looking to hook up so you know if you don't know that up front

03:56:45.600 you the whole time you'll be pursuing a relationship with that guy and in his mind he's just trying to

03:56:51.840 hook up and did you sleep with that person no see it's a self-correcting problem the next time that

03:56:58.400 guy is asked that question even if he wants to hook up he's not going to say that

03:57:04.560 well some guys are honest though yeah they're honest until they realize their honesty isn't getting

03:57:09.520 them what they want so if you punish the truth you're asking to be lied to

03:57:15.680 also just to come back to farha did i say right far farha yeah to come back to your point um you

03:57:23.840 were saying that well women typically they're interested more so in long term in relationships

03:57:28.880 and men are more interested in casual sex but yeah i mean i mean i've heard you say that sex is the

03:57:35.120 precipice of a relationship have i said that yeah is precipice even in my vocabulary i was

03:57:41.920 thoroughly impressed are you sure precipice you said precipice i said precipice yeah sure

03:57:45.920 it's not like some other red pill guy you're so you said sex is the precipice of a relationship in

03:57:50.240 modern dating so i would only see hookup culture you know the onus being on women if you didn't

03:57:55.600 believe that and you thought women should hold out until they're in relationships but you were saying

03:57:59.600 i think your point was that uh women have it better in terms of dating because they're

03:58:04.400 able to secure men for fucking and then from there they could develop it into a relationship

03:58:08.640 sure so my point was um it would be consistent for you to say like women control hookup culture

03:58:13.680 if they hold out sex until they're in relationships but then that would be inconsistent with your other

03:58:18.240 point and the other thing i was going to say i've also heard i think you've said this as well it's a

03:58:22.480 higher percentage of women who believe they're in a monogamous relationship than men which kind of

03:58:26.640 proves that men are sleeping with other women on the side and not being honest about it with

03:58:30.720 women right i think you're referencing that there's a pew study that came out recently that said that

03:58:38.400 within i think the ages of 18 to 30 i don't know the exact age range maybe let's say 18 to 30

03:58:44.880 63 percent of women in that age demographic considered themselves in relationships whereas

03:58:51.120 something like 20 to 30 percent of men in that same age cohort can consider themselves single right i

03:58:58.000 guess my point was that kind of just proves maybe men are misrepresenting their intentions because

03:59:01.760 those women could think they're in monogamous relationships or one of my female friends

03:59:04.560 in college have thought like oh this guy told me he's only seeing me and then if i become friends

03:59:08.160 with the guy i find out he tells me he's like oh yeah no i am sleeping with other women so

03:59:12.400 i i yeah that's what i'm saying like i think men control hookup culture men control i mean

03:59:19.440 i don't think so because i think the desire to sleep with multiple women has been around since

03:59:23.280 men have been on this planet but it wasn't really possible until there was a loosening of let's say

03:59:30.320 social mores about that and even if that desire has been constant for thousands of years why haven't

03:59:36.960 there been hookup culture for thousands of years like what's changed in recent times like she put it

03:59:43.280 out the sexual revolution feminism you can say it farah feminism the difference is that now people are

03:59:52.320 more likely to have sex before they get into relationships sure yeah yeah well i and i mean

03:59:57.920 you you did say one thing which i disagree with a little bit and you said that well women want

04:00:03.280 relationships more and men are kind of more interested in casual sex i don't know if that's actually true

04:00:08.240 because i mean there's there's a whole lot of women that seem to very willingly and happily

04:00:13.840 maybe happily isn't the right word engage in hookup culture that will sleep with guy once with no

04:00:20.320 intention of seeing him again we'll be traveling hook hook up with a guy while she's traveling she's

04:00:25.120 on spring break hook up with a guy there i mean um are you from california okay so like we're the city

04:00:32.800 we're in we're we're in santa barbara ucsb is one of the number one party schools in the u.s

04:00:37.920 and here in this little square mile isla vista there's a pretty rampant like hookup culture and i'd say

04:00:44.880 in a lot of certain i don't know if a lot but in a lot of universities especially in college there's

04:00:51.280 definitely like hookup culture people are just going out on the weekends partying hooking up um

04:00:57.920 and uh this trope that women are so desirous of of having relationships

04:01:05.760 i don't i think there's there's there there's a truth to that but i think i see a lot of women

04:01:15.040 pretty happily engaging in hookup culture yeah i guess it depends by the location and like the

04:01:20.480 campus scene but even the women who do participate in hookup culture knowing that it's just a casual

04:01:24.640 hookup like this is purely anecdotal but i see again like from my friends in college they'd still

04:01:29.200 be waiting around to see if that guy will text her so they still have emotional interest and they're

04:01:33.600 hoping it'll develop and just like more she's hoping she can change him yeah i think the idea

04:01:37.440 of hope hookup culture like there's just totally random casual sex and that's it is probably

04:01:42.880 overstated in social media in our culture i think that same pew study suggests that men and women

04:01:49.120 both are having less sex today than they did 10 years ago it's like i i think that there's actually

04:01:54.960 becoming less of that because men and women are getting like not on the same page as much these days for

04:02:03.200 lots of different reasons and that's why men often have problems with with online issues and and women

04:02:10.080 often get caught up in social media there's we're not really seeing eye to eye in a lot of ways anymore

04:02:17.920 and dating is riskier in some respects than it's ever been um i think i don't i don't know if you

04:02:24.320 already moved on but like the question about the hookup culture and who has control of it yeah like

04:02:28.640 my personal take is that it is women because like you said we're gatekeepers of it if we understood

04:02:34.880 like the risk that we're taking when we sleep with a man who's not committed to us we could literally

04:02:39.280 get pregnant by him and not have him around the next day so like you don't want to get pregnant and

04:02:46.480 have to carry that child for nine months without support without that strong provision and that strong

04:02:52.080 protection and so we need to think long term and i also think that fathers are a huge influence in

04:03:02.080 stopping hookup culture you know because they can teach their daughters the importance of this

04:03:08.160 they can be that strong father figure to tell them not to have sex with any man that they must commit

04:03:13.360 themselves to you for life because then that's a form of protection for your heart you know not just

04:03:18.240 your body but your heart and your spirit and your your mind that way you don't have to be depressed

04:03:22.880 you don't have to worry about an unplanned pregnancy you don't have to worry about being a single mom

04:03:27.760 and things like that because you're taught that you are valuable that you are precious you know that you

04:03:33.840 must commit to a man who loves you and will raise children with you because you need that and so i think it's

04:03:40.880 both um women for sure because they get to say yes or no but i think fathers um will bring that revolution

04:03:48.480 back when they when they teach their daughters what a strong man looks like and what to look for in a

04:03:56.000 future husband and they get to be that standard and that example and they can change you know the way

04:04:01.520 that things are going wait so so far do you think that it's men are to blame for hookup culture or you

04:04:09.200 think it's both or i don't even call it a blame thing i guess i was saying who creates the culture

04:04:12.720 of casual sex i'm not even vilifying who creates the culture of casual sex yeah okay and i would

04:04:17.520 say it's probably the party that wants casual sex right i think it's feminism and fatherlessness

04:04:24.640 which but happens at the same time because wives are taught to leave their husbands and then daughters

04:04:32.320 grow up without their fathers but the thing is is that far fewer men are capable or do engage in hookup

04:04:38.640 culture i don't think that's true what's the population of men who can't secure sex was it like

04:04:44.560 a third so it's it's more than women that can't uh that yeah yeah but i'm still saying that leaves

04:04:50.800 open like the two-thirds of men who are able to fuck well but two-thirds two-thirds of men can't easily

04:04:58.320 participate in hookup culture the the one-third of men i think the stat is they report that uh in the

04:05:05.600 past year they've not had sex um but that doesn't mean that the other two-thirds of men are just

04:05:11.280 able to crush it like every fucking weekend like just go out and bang a new chick um i would say

04:05:16.640 that's reserved for the top tier of men i would i want to say the top 10 of men are able to like

04:05:23.840 consistently get with a new girl once a week maybe i mean that's pretty remarkable but um whereas the

04:05:34.480 ability to i would say almost any woman even unattractive women if they were so inclined

04:05:42.480 could fuck a new guy every single day of the of the week and for for a guy to be able to do that

04:05:48.480 that's reserved for like men not only good looking men but men with status yeah i guess hookup culture

04:05:57.840 usually uh refers to like college campuses so there's already a certain status there in terms

04:06:01.920 of being able to afford college get into college so i feel like men who go to college maybe are more

04:06:05.680 attractive than like the average sample so they probably have easier time fucking like i think

04:06:10.800 the insult population at college is probably a little bit smaller than it is for the general population

04:06:16.240 well i mean i think hookup culture extends beyond college but i certainly that's that's that's usually

04:06:21.040 where the conversation takes place i'm just saying um who do you think has more to benefit like the guy or

04:06:25.680 the girl for trying to convince women that you'll be more empowered you'll like have way more fun

04:06:29.840 having casual sex is it like the cohorts of women who are like comforting each other because they

04:06:34.000 can't get a text back from a guy they hooked up with last week i don't know women can have multiple

04:06:37.360 orgasms so it's a tough tough one there in terms of uh who gets the benefit from a sexual yeah is

04:06:42.640 there anybody else that's like sex positive here i mean i like sex and i is is there any women here

04:06:48.480 that don't see a sexual encounter that didn't end in a committed relationship not a sin or a mistake

04:06:55.280 excellent i don't know what you asked like does any sexual encounter with a man that doesn't end a

04:07:01.760 committed relationship a sin or a mistake so can it be a positive absolutely experience i don't think

04:07:10.000 it's necessarily bad sleeping with people i think it's more so the amount of people you're sleeping

04:07:15.840 with and how available you're making yourself to those men because i feel like us as women we do open

04:07:22.960 the gates to allowing men to be the way that they are sometimes but i guess it also just depends on

04:07:29.440 the person too i i just want to bring it back to you so uh and if anyone else wants to jump in you

04:07:38.080 know feel free yeah i'll say one more thing here i think that there's like this eternal arms race between

04:07:44.400 men and women and i think it kind of boils down like this is that all things being equal

04:07:50.000 men generally want as much sex as they can get with as little time and expenditure of resources

04:07:58.240 as possible and with the most freedom on the other hand i think that most women want as much

04:08:04.560 time energy and attention and securement of resources they can for the least provision of sex

04:08:11.760 all other things being equal and that's sort of like the negotiation between men and women that

04:08:17.520 occurs in the sexual marketplace when women say that like it's bad to have sex outside of a

04:08:23.760 committed relationship on some of what they're saying is that they're giving it away too cheaply

04:08:30.080 and it's like okay well why is that well it's like the idea here is you might be able to get

04:08:34.480 more for your sex than you're currently getting and that's a problem for you sister

04:08:38.720 right okay i think they're we're gonna wrap up here pretty soon um but uh what about what about um like

04:08:51.680 because they're for like you you guys believe you should um be committed when you have sex with

04:09:00.800 someone wake up everybody but what about what if you do commit to somebody and the sex is whack

04:09:09.200 dildo something uh what huh i think that's an excellent point i'm with you on that one it's like

04:09:15.680 for me a sexual relationship is where you get to have sex i know that sounds obvious but it's like the

04:09:20.080 only legitimate relationship you have in society where you can get that it's like your job is where

04:09:25.920 you can get money there's like no other relationship that you have that exists in society where you can

04:09:30.800 get money so why not really prioritize the financial dimensions of your job it's like everything else

04:09:37.360 that you can get from a marriage you can get um you can get outside of a sexual relationship except sex

04:09:48.480 like you can get partnership you can get commitment you can get loyalty you can get support you can even

04:09:54.320 get children you can get money time and attention you can get all those things what's unique to a

04:10:00.320 sexual relationship is sex and i think it makes sense to prioritize that so you're you just going

04:10:07.360 back to your point you're saying well what if the sex is whack yeah like like don't like what's wrong

04:10:13.600 with giving it a test drive before you come in ain't nothing wrong well um i one thing i would point out is is

04:10:21.680 for you to be bad in bed as a woman you have to severely be up in some way like it's like

04:10:35.600 i just can't imagine it happens it happens i mean but it's so it like it's so easy to be good in bed

04:10:45.200 maybe that's because most men just are really stoked to be there i think yeah most men if they're going

04:10:50.400 like supposedly they're they're they're yeah but but i think there's a higher performance burden

04:10:55.760 on men sexually speaking than women but uh i think you can find out you know before you actually have

04:11:03.920 sex you can find out if you have sexual chemistry it's not just the actual genitals how involved well

04:11:10.640 if you have chemistry looking at each other holding hands you know being around each other if you have

04:11:15.840 that connection emotionally mentally like you can talk for hours and it feels like it's only been

04:11:21.680 two minutes there's so many factors does it work the other way that communicate connection and so

04:11:28.800 you can find out before you actually have sex if you have chemistry could you find out if you have

04:11:33.600 emotional chemistry by having sex yeah so what what you're saying is that you can kind of find out

04:11:40.880 that you have sexual chemistry without having sex which i'm dubious about so you can if i and if it's

04:11:46.880 like just had sex with a woman could i know if we had like communication chemistry you find out before

04:11:52.800 you have sex no i'm saying in my hypothetical situation no you find out if you have communication

04:11:56.960 chemistry by communicating right correct yeah so you find out if you have sexual chemistry by having sex

04:12:01.680 so why can't you find out if you have chemistry from communication which if you have chemistry there

04:12:06.800 it's not the same thing then how am i i have an amazing sex life and we saved it for marriage

04:12:14.000 and in fact you can but she's not gonna she's not waiting until marriage i just wanted to mention

04:12:19.120 i know but you don't have to sleep what's up what's up go ahead go ahead um i respect everyone's

04:12:23.200 beliefs as i mentioned i'm not necessarily sex positive for myself but um i i still think sex is

04:12:31.040 great i mean i i do love god and that's why i'm waiting but i mean i would want to do it

04:12:35.760 minus the two i minus the two but i'm forgiven i'm forgiven indiscretions yeah but but i do think

04:12:41.360 sex is i mean i want to have sex i think sex is good good times but okay just to go back to your

04:12:46.560 point really quick um i you're saying what if the sex is whack i don't think that's a thing that really

04:12:53.760 guys think about that's more i think that's the thing chicks think about like but i've never i've

04:12:58.960 never been worried like oh man what if the what what if like the sex is because for me for me with

04:13:06.160 the with the girl who just lays on her back the whole time what okay if you know how to take leads

04:13:11.840 sexually then like but how do you know that if you're a virgin too and no one taught you

04:13:17.760 it's like there's this idea that men just sort of are supposed to know what to do

04:13:21.520 i think the idea is you learn together but i guess the point i'm trying to make is is that at

04:13:25.920 least for me i've never personally encountered like a girl has to fuck up to make the sex like

04:13:34.800 you have to intentionally try to make the sex bad somehow you can learn as well yeah you can learn

04:13:40.800 but like i i'm never thinking like oh man what if the sex is whack with her now i think women can

04:13:46.960 think that because women typically look to men to lead in the bedroom but like if you're a guy and

04:13:53.360 you have some degree of sexual experience you can take a girl who's never had sex and had have great

04:13:59.360 sex with her but i don't think the reverse is necessarily the case i don't think a girl a lot

04:14:04.320 of girls i don't think want a guy who is sexually inexperienced unless of course like you're waiting

04:14:10.320 until marriage you want a virgin whatever but like most women who are not waiting until marriage and are

04:14:16.480 virgins want to have to teach a guy how to fuck them certainly one of the things that's most

04:14:22.320 attractive to women is confidence how do you have confidence in something you've never done before

04:14:26.480 because you grow that confidence with her confidence is the felt experience they'll just fake it right

04:14:32.160 yeah confidence your first sexual experience well you do kind of have to fake it for a while

04:14:38.320 a guy has like confidence in like you don't think women can tell yes of course they can they can

04:14:43.440 tell the difference between fake confidence and real confidence you think that women can tell

04:14:47.280 the difference i think i think the fake it till you make it thing would work but but you were

04:14:53.200 talking about a pillow princess right i don't think like a guy would care there's a lot of ways they

04:14:58.800 could go wrong though i mean i could tell a girl like okay i want you in this position i could move

04:15:03.840 you like most chicks wouldn't want to like do that for a guy like okay let me teach you how to

04:15:10.480 fuck me whereas like i'd be fine teaching a girl how to fuck what if you put her in a doggy and then

04:15:16.240 she's like this oh her arch is dog shit like she doesn't know how to arch her back yeah yeah i guess

04:15:21.600 that could be kind of or or or i'll teach push her down what if she's going like down on you and you

04:15:28.800 just feel her teeth like that i give great blowjob instructionals i i can teach a girl how to give a good

04:15:36.240 blowjob what if she doesn't get not by example though i don't not by example i mean i think in

04:15:41.840 general if you're hiring somebody for a position it's like what's more attractive somebody who's

04:15:46.240 like willing to learn or someone who already knows what to do do you think women definitely willing to

04:15:51.440 learn by his past previous sexual partners i don't think either partner wants to be compared to

04:15:57.440 previous partners so it's not like oh i'm so glad you've slept with 50 women now you can do that with

04:16:02.320 me like no i wouldn't most women would not want that uh well they wanted no but but you can you

04:16:08.400 can gather you can gather sexual experience within the confines of a long-term relationship people that

04:16:14.080 have like this idea that the more sexual partners you have the better in bed you are is is erroneous

04:16:20.560 because i i would say that someone who's had maybe a handful of long-term relationships has probably had

04:16:26.400 more sex than someone who's just like having one night stands here and there so you're having more

04:16:32.400 sex i think you're going to be more experienced in in that realm you get the quality and the quantity

04:16:37.120 so this idea that a woman who's only had one or two or three sexual partners is going to be worse in

04:16:42.080 the bedroom than a woman who's had a hundred one night stands i actually i don't think so at all i think

04:16:47.200 a woman who's had one two three long-term relationships and and has had a lot of sex with those men

04:16:52.480 um i mean to be fair she should be a virgin but um and pushing that rhetoric doesn't really encourage

04:16:58.480 the whole like gatekeep your body message to women because if you're saying if you're saying men need

04:17:04.800 to have that experience with other women well guess what those other women are going to be increasing

04:17:09.600 their body count so i don't think so because i think it's different for women like women have way

04:17:16.080 more risks uh yeah for yeah for like even a one night stand like you can get pregnant you know stds

04:17:24.160 like hello like there's so many risks and then of course like even the smallest thing where it's like

04:17:28.880 you'll never hear from the guy again and you're doing so much for like a stranger like if you're that

04:17:33.600 horny why can't you use a toy okay uh just bring bringing it back to farha here did i say your name

04:17:40.480 right yeah did i say it right this time okay um so just really quick on the hookup thing and then

04:17:46.000 let's i i have one or two super chats and then we're gonna wrap the show um

04:17:52.720 agree or disagree and perhaps i can open this up to the rest of the panel

04:17:57.200 who is more capable of being promiscuous men or women women women okay i mean so wouldn't

04:18:04.880 that lend itself a bit to women have more control when it comes to hookup culture we're talking about

04:18:11.600 this women are the gatekeepers of sex but i was saying men misrepresent their intentions they

04:18:15.120 misrepresent whether they're being exclusive to that woman and that could lead the woman to kind of

04:18:20.400 open up the gate under a false premise but do you think all women who who are engaging in sex there

04:18:27.920 it's always like going in with the intention of having a long-term relationship i'm sure there's

04:18:32.800 women that go out to parties go out to clubs and they're like he's hot hook up like i don't think

04:18:38.880 all women have sex in pursuit of a relationship necessarily not all do you think most i think

04:18:45.520 it's very socially unacceptable to admit that but women will give sex goes down at the club yeah

04:18:53.120 goes down at the bar when the attraction is high party the the woman will provide sex even not under

04:19:00.640 false pretenses and think about traveling too shit it goes down when when you're traveling you know

04:19:09.520 that there's no shot of anything long term if you're doing euro rail pass in europe

04:19:19.680 like people hook up when they're traveling so well there's no expectation of long term there kind of

04:19:24.960 what makes it safer it's like i think that a lot of men have this idea well i think women have this

04:19:30.720 idea that all men want sex and that's true um but it's not the only thing that we want and i think the

04:19:36.320 converse is that men tend to have this idea that all women want a relationship and i don't think that

04:19:42.640 that's as true as the opposite it's like women want a relationship just from the people that they

04:19:48.000 want to have the relationship from like a lot of guys will lead with the relationship as if it's like

04:19:53.040 that's all a woman wants that's the be all and end all of her like objectives here does that make

04:20:01.040 sense yeah i think it's like two bell curves like there are definitely a lot of men who want

04:20:07.360 relationships and there's a lot of women who want casual sex i was more so talking about like the

04:20:10.720 averages in relation to the traveling thing i don't think flings fall under the category of hookup

04:20:14.960 culture because hookup culture pretty much means like emotionless sex i think like if you travel and

04:20:19.120 you're like on vacation for two weeks or a month it's not a long-term relationship but i think if

04:20:23.840 there's emotions involved or it's like a romantic thing that i don't think that puts under hookup

04:20:27.760 culture i think it falls i mean i i would think like uh if you're in in mykonos or some kind some

04:20:36.160 place for three days and there's a guy and you fuck him like that's hookup culture i guess i

04:20:43.120 some people consider if you add the romance some people consider if you add the romance it's no

04:20:46.720 longer hookup like casual well i think if there's no prospect of a long-term relationship it falls

04:20:50.800 under the umbrella of hookup culture okay cool good times um i'm trying to think there's i had one

04:20:57.920 more question then um okay uh who who let me ask the women who here who here has made a guy wait for sex

04:21:07.280 show of hands show of hands made a guy wait for sex i guess i don't know tegan have you made a guy

04:21:16.400 wait for sex yeah i mean what do you mean by wait like is there like you liked him um maybe he wanted

04:21:25.600 to have sex and maybe it was the first or second date and you're like yeah let's wait a little bit

04:21:30.080 you liked him he wanted it but you're like let's wait right i think that was pretty much everyone

04:21:39.680 except farha right so for those of you who answered that how many times has a guy made you wait for sex

04:21:52.480 once one time

04:21:53.520 has a guy ever made you wait for sex

04:22:00.880 just vocalize if you can no but that's not usually i mean that's never what i'm looking for so

04:22:09.280 i mean as a woman it's like i feel like you have to gatekeep that because i feel like that's a really

04:22:15.680 important part of your body your soul i mean guys are they don't work that way meaning like i'm sure if

04:22:22.320 you walked up to them and you said that which i don't i mean i'm sure they would say yes and of

04:22:27.760 course i'm on social media and they want to do that all the time that doesn't mean that i'm gonna

04:22:31.120 say yes sure has a guy ever made you wait for sex of your two indiscretions um no okay what about

04:22:38.080 you no actually which is a nice thing to be honest has a guy ever made you wait for sex no wait close

04:22:45.680 a little closer you can scoot your chair no no tegan no guy never made you wait for sex madison back there

04:22:51.520 has a guy ever made you wait for sex who frankie one of your he made you wait for sex okay you

04:22:59.520 know i think would be an interesting question asking them like has any guy ever sexually rejected

04:23:02.720 them like they've wanted sex from them and the guy has said it's pretty rare i think i've done that

04:23:07.760 it yeah i've actually rejected the chick why actually labia too small no no uh

04:23:19.840 it's kind of i'll tell you after the show how about that okay i'll tell you after the show but yeah

04:23:26.400 um but i mean that kind of plays into like again women control access to sex

04:23:31.360 women are turning making men wait men are not making women wait so like again hookup culture

04:23:39.120 it's kind of you know it's kind of on the women don't you think but men can control it too i agree

04:23:44.560 because i don't think a woman can technically make a man wait it's his decision to do so and if that's not

04:23:51.600 a good prospect for you as a man you can walk and i would encourage guys to do that especially with

04:23:59.280 women who have who are not saving themselves for marriage who have given sex up earlier in the

04:24:06.640 relationship than you currently are with that particular woman and the reason why i encourage

04:24:10.880 that is because um it's a it's kind of a barometer for how attracted the woman is to you by how

04:24:20.800 how little she needs in return in order to exchange sex for a relationship and the higher a woman's

04:24:28.320 attractive attraction level is to you the easier relationship you're going to have the more

04:24:35.120 effortless it's going to be the more you're going to feel like lucky and happy to be there

04:24:41.760 and so it's just sort of like not worth it if you're going to be like

04:24:48.320 willing to accept sexual treatment that she was not willing to give to other men in her past

04:24:54.320 more more but bro i guess the point i'm trying to make is

04:25:02.320 women have more access to being promiscuous you know like an average dude can't just be like

04:25:07.920 running through chicks like an average chick he can

04:25:12.960 nah bro not an average man no way average men like don't average men in order to get sex

04:25:20.080 like it's usually within the confines of a relationship so you'd be surprised so what i

04:25:26.800 guess the the just really related to the like who controls access to sex and like who's to i know you

04:25:33.760 weren't really framing it as who's to blame for hookup culture but a larger proportion of women engage

04:25:40.800 in hookup culture than do men because only a much smaller percentage of men are capable of engaging in

04:25:48.720 hookup culture whereas basically all women can participate in hookup culture but not all men can

04:25:54.960 participate in hookup culture and this is evidenced by the fact that for example incels exist it's so

04:26:01.120 bad for them they are involuntarily celibate they're trying to get laid they can't yeah like i said before

04:26:08.080 i wasn't refuting that women could easier like more easily but but more women participate in the hookup culture

04:26:14.960 i was saying which party do you think is propagating hookup culture more and i was saying probably

04:26:19.840 the gender that enjoys casual emotionless hookup hookups well i'm not sure it's not apparent to me

04:26:25.520 that that's the case for men i think men are perfectly satisfied in long-term monogamous relationships

04:26:34.320 i don't know if that's necessarily true i think that a lot of men have to make a virtue out of a necessity

04:26:39.200 and that oh you mean like so you're saying out of necessity men because that's the only

04:26:44.240 uh way in which that they can gain access to sex i think to a for a lot of men yeah okay and i think

04:26:50.000 that if those guys could snap their fingers and change places to a guy who has let's say effortless

04:26:55.280 optionality with hundreds or thousands of attractive women uh i think that would be a

04:27:01.440 difficult choice not to make that's fair so men men are monogamous out of necessity

04:27:06.320 yeah okay although i think there's some men that are just like they have a virtue i guess and

04:27:16.960 they're not they're not beholden to their animal instincts and have sexual discipline necessarily

04:27:24.800 believe that a person is non-virtuous because they have sex with more than one person well i'm not saying

04:27:31.120 that but for for example they might um perhaps a virtue that they hold is uh chastity they would

04:27:40.240 not have that virtue no what who would not have that the man in that case which man the man who was

04:27:46.720 having sex with multiple women oh definitely would not have the virtue of chastity no but but there are

04:27:51.600 some men that choose to be disciplined in their absolutely there are there are a small subset of men but

04:27:57.840 there are some out there are you saying that most men are dogs i'd say that all things being equal

04:28:04.400 men want as much sex as they can with the fewest expenditure of resources possible word

04:28:10.640 it feels like an essential to them totally there's these great videos of um women undergoing sex will

04:28:18.480 reassignment surgery when they go from female to male where they first get on t testosterone and it's like

04:28:24.400 yeah and i highly encourage people to google this on or look it up on youtube because it's like they

04:28:33.120 understand men for the first time when they're being exposed to testosterone it's like they get it and

04:28:40.960 it's it's a way that um i just don't think that most women have access to that feeling that like it's on a

04:28:50.160 cellular level on some level i'm glad that my libido has waned as i've gotten older because it's so

04:28:57.440 obnoxious it's like being a guy when you're younger sort of like having this like three-year-old in the

04:29:04.240 back seat behind you kicking your seat every 30 seconds saying like can we have sex yet can we have

04:29:08.720 sex yet how about her how about her go talk to her can you can you do this it's like that doesn't

04:29:13.280 necessarily mean that men will act on it all the time but it is it's relentless and it is not a

04:29:20.640 very pleasant place to be and i think it's only after that ebbs in your 30s that guys kind of can

04:29:27.920 like they are there it's like this liberation and they start to care about things other than sex more

04:29:35.120 it's almost like in their 30s something yeah that's kind of that's because the testosterone levels are

04:29:40.960 dropping exactly and it used to be that early yeah well it's like at that point i think they

04:29:48.240 realize this is kind of like what it might feel like for women they get to focus on other things

04:29:53.840 well you can also increase your testosterone it doesn't have to decrease with age it depends on

04:29:58.320 your health and your mentality my husband's in his 30s and his t is going up sorry tmi word no

04:30:05.440 testosterone never goes up over a life span organically it only goes down you can trt you

04:30:11.760 can slow the well that's not in like your 70s oh right um like in the 1950s man still all right

04:30:18.400 let me let me get this last soup chat i know i always say i need to end the show and then that

04:30:22.480 goes on for another hour all right caesar quintana thank you man brian you're 100 right both my wife

04:30:27.840 and i are trad catholics wait did i read this one i don't think i wouldn't accept accept my mother-in-law

04:30:34.320 meddling she convinced my wife to move to ukraine with my child google my name it was an international

04:30:40.640 incident i went to ukraine to bring my son back when the war started and holy so she kidnapped

04:30:45.120 her son yikes good times okay don't get married i guess um all right uh pull up the uh twitch really

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04:31:26.400 if you don't twitch.tv slash whatever i have one last question for you over here um

04:31:35.200 did did you say you had like 10 side side pieces right now what's going on me yeah you got 10 side

04:31:41.120 pieces or something they just like into the mic they just hit me up like they're not really side

04:31:46.560 pieces have you hooked up with any of them or no no i haven't even met some of them like in prison

04:31:52.080 okay wait but i kind of forgot this are you like uh are you currently seeing anybody right now or

04:31:58.160 you're proper single single proper single there's not there's not a guy you have your eyeball on not

04:32:03.760 really like i'm like texting like a person or two but we're not we haven't like hung out or anything

04:32:10.240 are you you trying to pursue it not necessarily you're just seeing where things go okay when's the

04:32:16.560 when's the last time like you hooked up with a dude um maybe like less than a month ago less than

04:32:24.960 a month ago okay wait did i ask you if you have a brother yeah i do have a brother is he is he like

04:32:31.040 running through chicks no you asked me that how's he doing with the girls your bro he's doing okay

04:32:36.160 he's got a girlfriend or you said he's older than you yeah he's almost 24. almost 24 he's got a

04:32:41.040 girlfriend no no girlfriend multiple side pieces i don't know i don't really talk about that you don't

04:32:46.560 talk about that well he lives in washington so i only see him like a couple times a year

04:32:50.480 okay yeah do you do you think your brother would be capable of having as many options as you

04:32:55.600 no why is that i just feel like just in general i feel like guys don't have yeah yeah like my guy

04:33:04.080 friends will like compare like our tinder accounts and stuff and like if we swipe on like 10 people

04:33:10.640 if i get like seven matches in those 10 swipes they'll get like one yeah it's pretty brutal uh

04:33:16.320 for men on on dating apps and i mean even generally speaking men men don't really have

04:33:22.880 like women in the pocket the same way that women have men in their pocket like a lot of women will

04:33:30.160 have dudes in the friend zone like dudes that would be at the drop of a hat would be ready to be in a

04:33:36.720 relationship with you ready to sleep with you men don't really have that even i'd say like decent

04:33:41.840 looking guys don't have like a back like a on the back burner just like chicks that are just down to

04:33:48.320 be in relationship relationships with them down to fuck them so there's an interest it's interesting

04:33:55.040 there the the kind of difference uh it's almost like men want to be more promiscuous than women which

04:34:00.720 kind of proves the point about hookup culture right i'm not following because if women were

04:34:05.520 the one who wanted casual sex more than men why wouldn't her brother have 10 women wanting to

04:34:09.360 fuck casually wait hold on i'm trying to parse that i think you're right about the desire i think that

04:34:17.280 most men want to have casual sex more than women do but i think the argument is that most men can't

04:34:23.920 because women are the gatekeepers of sex and so these women in hookup culture are having sex with a

04:34:29.120 small subset of men who are very much into it word okay by the way guys we're going to be doing an

04:34:36.160 after show um hosted by madison so be sure to tune in for that it's going to just be live here and then

04:34:43.120 we're going to do it for like 30 minutes do a short after show uh the after show we will lower the tts

04:34:50.560 trigger and the re-trigger is going to be 50 um just so we have a shorter after show last time the after

04:34:56.720 show drug on for like three hours so um last call before any final thoughts from anybody before i wrap

04:35:04.080 up speak now or forever hold your peace weren't you still gonna sing oh god oh rip it's too it's

04:35:11.600 probably too late you know that song at last my love that's just like not for my voice

04:35:18.800 it's good though that's good though is it good yeah i've got a terrible let's all sing let's do

04:35:24.240 some karaoke

04:35:30.800 anybody last thoughts last thoughts oh let's pull it up pull it up let's he got 100k oh yeah

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04:35:54.960 do it it's just something to be aware of um a final thought for me uh just touching on the the marriage

04:36:02.000 and divorce thing you know the vows used to mean something till death do us part used to mean

04:36:08.240 something um but now it's uh till i am mildly bored of this relationship do us part and uh if i were to get

04:36:20.720 married it's for life like i but but my fear is is that the way a lot of these relations relationships

04:36:30.400 or marriages play out it's more often the case than not it's not for life and what are the other vows in

04:36:37.840 sickness and in health and so i don't know um your words have to mean something and if you say the

04:36:46.400 words till death do us part i think you should mean that so but unfortunately people's words mean

04:36:54.240 very little in today's day and age uh anyone else final thoughts um so check out your goth band

04:37:00.720 on myspace um no i am i am actually um in a um we're starting a show in called ab baddies

04:37:12.080 80 what ab baddies audio visual club baddies no antelope valley and antelope valley yeah baddies

04:37:22.000 yeah are you one of the baddies yeah can men be baddies yeah there's there's men too can i join

04:37:28.160 you can join i can be an av baddie yeah i'll recommend you okay thank you put in a good word

04:37:34.080 check that out it's um on my my profile on her instagram yes what it's a group like is the cartel

04:37:42.800 like you guys smuggling drugs over there in the desert or what's up it's um it's it's gonna it's

04:37:47.600 like a tv show tv show yeah i think they're kind of trying to do it i'm not sure how they're trying to

04:37:53.680 do it they didn't say but we're pretty much i can't really say too much about it um but yeah

04:37:59.680 check it out wait what do you do for working everybody's on instagram what do you do for work

04:38:04.880 um twitch twitch streaming you're a twitch streamer okay so you're starting a show called av baddies

04:38:10.160 amusement park huh you work in an amusement park yeah you know it's weird i kind of pegged you as

04:38:15.840 someone who would work at an amusement park you seem like you work at like six flags or some

04:38:22.000 shit i'm just is that the park do you actually work at six flags uh yeah i knew it dude i knew it

04:38:30.080 you're are you wanna water ride are you a water ride type of chick or you're more like

04:38:34.960 roller coaster roller coaster yeah okay so you like strap people in and shit yeah are you a carny

04:38:42.880 no no that's different than an amusement park person okay um very cool anyone else final thought

04:38:48.880 um it's not affiliated with your show but if any of you ladies are interested in enrolling in my

04:38:55.840 course you can enroll with a major discount using the code whatever oh shit do it that's by the way

04:39:04.000 that's instagram i don't get a cut that's just she's just doing a little my instagram's fearless

04:39:08.240 dot femininity so it's linked in that bio um yeah one last final thought farha can i hook you up with

04:39:14.160 destiny he's he's the homie so i'm just like trying to yeah i mean i see him at like every

04:39:19.200 day but if you want to be the one is but genuinely like is there you know is there something there you

04:39:24.560 think um i wouldn't date somebody who's married now you could join this polycule does he have a

04:39:32.720 polycule maybe i should ask him i don't know well he's polyamorous so i'm not you're not no but if if

04:39:39.840 he wasn't married like is he your type because he's you said your type's like super intelligent

04:39:44.480 dude so yeah rules me out but um but is he would be your type okay what if i convince destiny to

04:39:53.920 divorce his wife to pursue you exclusively what is that i think i'd honestly rather date his wife she's

04:40:02.080 really cool oh right you said that you'd rather date his wife okay i could put in a good word there

04:40:06.880 too you're it's funny like you're way more in touch with them than i'm just being ludicrous but

04:40:13.760 okay whatever all right guys um so be sure to stick around for the after show um last call guys hit that

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04:40:23.840 tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that

04:40:27.760 thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show your patronage is uh really appreciated guys

04:40:32.640 thank you so much for everyone who uh supports the show especially after uh these past couple

04:40:37.520 weeks uh heads up oh actually oh big thank you to the panel thank you all for coming i know some of

04:40:42.080 you a lot of you came from out of town so appreciate that um any women who want to be on the show dm

04:40:49.040 at whatever on instagram we will be live again tuesday at 7 p.m pacific that's going to be our last

04:40:54.080 show for a couple weeks because i'm taking a break um i've been having some issues with my neck uh it's been

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04:41:08.160 some killer shows uh so we do have our last show on tuesday 7 p.m pacific um we will see you guys

04:41:15.920 next time have a good night guys we will see you later eric could you hit the lights for the after

04:41:21.280 show please all right and we're out if you guys want you know madison go ahead you guys

04:41:31.920 anybody want to stay for the after show do you want to stay or do you guys um i can stay um how long

04:41:39.280 is it we have 30 minutes can we talk about something fun though oh this was boring yeah i was like snoozing

04:42:00.000 nice meeting you hello everyone

04:42:15.360 i'm waiting for the comments to come in

04:42:17.120 check my dms okay oh boy we'll see what did what did you say who said that metro mat

04:42:36.480 it might be kind of oh i see i don't want to read it out loud but

04:42:42.320 thank you thank you thank you very much metro matt appreciate it thank you rams four what

04:43:02.160 i i've been hosting do not see me i've been replying to the comments

04:43:04.880 guys some oh metro matt dm'd me

04:43:11.920 but i won't say what he said okay chat come in i'm getting kind of bored here

04:43:20.240 i'm gonna actually use ryan's computer to figure this out

04:43:23.280 wait a girl is it

04:43:35.680 did y'all cook some steak this week no i didn't get sent any steak so i

04:43:40.880 couldn't cook any steak by the way i didn't drop my baby earlier brian took it from me and threw it on

04:43:46.720 the ground um do i play any sports no but i did like cheer in high school not really a sport leave

04:43:59.120 frankie and marry me no i'm never gonna leave frankie

04:44:05.680 awesome

04:44:06.320 tegan is wifey material what do you have to say to that thank you

04:44:16.800 can i dance for you no are we doing the super chats

04:44:21.280 yeah can you tell them that uh it's 50 to read and tts is all right the super chats are 50

04:44:29.840 49.99 or 50 to read and

04:44:35.440 yeah

04:44:37.600 madison they never read my posts he's bugging right now i don't see your posts ripley glass

04:44:43.840 all right you can do a flip in the air if i'm thrown in the air

04:44:51.120 whatever cringe talk to the guests

04:44:54.160 how's your guys's experience being on the podcast you know

04:44:59.680 it was an experience it was an experience have you ever done anything like this before

04:45:04.400 i did a radio show before this oh cool so what'd you talk about on there uh transgender and sports

04:45:11.760 actually oh so it was a heated more heated conversation is it white under the counter

04:45:21.760 that's mine eric

04:45:24.880 eric

04:45:26.800 it's mine

04:45:27.680 wait

04:45:30.880 okay um

04:45:33.440 oh wait we have a new super chat

04:45:35.760 what does he what does he say all right sweet tooth said i sent you an instant message but you

04:45:41.520 and brian never answered me about the stakes honestly i don't know who dms me like whatever

04:45:52.800 yeah so do i so i can't really like not actually i don't uh brian has like 300 pending messages right

04:46:00.800 now so he can't get back to you guys exactly like right away about the stakes but my dms are open

04:46:08.880 and i just didn't know your instagram username so is that actual pizza

04:46:15.600 yo rusty's can you guys

04:46:17.040 okay

04:46:25.760 but yeah anyway i saw i saw some comment about uh this or a dm about the stake but i just didn't know

04:46:32.800 if that was the same person that was asking me on the podcast so

04:46:36.240 i do have an no tegan insta what does that mean wait um the instagrams are my instagram be in the

04:46:53.520 description my instagram is t-e-a-g-a-n-p-o-w brian did you put the instagrams in there

04:47:00.480 um by the way i said my dms are open if you're willing to send me something

04:47:09.520 not for whoever pays 50 for maddie questions getting blocked you don't know if what

04:47:19.440 i'm talking about you brian not dad brian

04:47:21.600 okay bye eric madison tell brian to make a discord server

04:47:34.480 what are we talking about i don't know i usually just like read the super chats but not that many

04:47:39.360 are coming in right now well we can talk about some weird weird stuff yeah bring something up

04:47:44.160 what do you all want to talk about brian get over here all right do i play video games no i used to

04:47:53.280 play like minecraft when i was a kid but that's like no not really i literally did the ones that are

04:48:01.760 only 10 so there's only two came in and they're both 10. they're saying i'm not in the description by

04:48:11.280 the way again this always happens but it's okay what even is my instagram is m-a-d-y-s-e-n-v-u-e

04:48:26.080 how flexible am i i'm not answering would you ever lick a toad to get high if you knew it was safe

04:48:34.160 no i would never do that would you guys do that yeah we can reduce it to 20 but i'm saying like

04:48:41.600 not even 20 is coming in only 10s are coming in

04:48:50.320 i'm starving

04:48:51.200 uh yeah so 20 if you want your super chat red oh another one came in oh nikki hey nikki should i

04:49:05.680 just do one of the two dollar ones right now what's up should i just do one of the two dollar ones right

04:49:12.240 now or no just do it just read them all it's only one of them might as well all right cat girl needs to

04:49:21.120 find god also rip vampire freaks what is vampire yeah thanks nick

04:49:33.520 you can't even see the baby i'll hold it on this side okay if you could eat anything right now what

04:49:37.760 would it be what if you could eat anything right now what would it be oh i got a sandwich over there

04:49:42.240 i would eat that i literally saved my sandwich for after the show okay bernadine is the truth

04:49:50.800 women are precious and valuable i only wish more men saw themselves in this light it would save them

04:49:56.160 a lot of heartache what's your your response to that thank you nikki

04:50:01.600 okay i agree

04:50:09.840 yeah i am but they're kind of being weird

04:50:14.240 brian i've been playing world of warcraft for 15 years and i play a badass

04:50:19.360 el shaman i'm scared also play a warrior oh never mind it disappeared

04:50:24.720 i'll answer it when i sit down okay

04:50:32.480 marriage causes divorce

04:50:39.680 i don't know what you want me to talk like i can talk about anything but i need like i need like a

04:50:43.840 a code word or something like a code word or something like give me

04:50:48.320 it's non-existent why are you like looking or no no

04:50:56.480 yes

04:50:59.440 you should be

04:51:02.000 um no but i don't know i'm not

04:51:04.880 not i mean yeah if they come about

04:51:10.640 maybe maybe i nick has a girlfriend oh then i wouldn't i actually bumped into nick last night

04:51:20.480 i bumped into nick last night do you go to school here yeah

04:51:24.960 i thought you said something what what did you bump into a party

04:51:30.080 yeah so basically

04:51:40.640 like my boyfriend's like best friend's girlfriend who's also like my friend is like best friends with

04:51:45.840 nick's girlfriend and there was like a birthday party going on and then i knew nick was gonna be

04:51:51.840 there but then he fell asleep so he didn't come to the party until like

04:51:58.880 when like 11 30 yeah i like did an irish goodbye i didn't even say bye to anyone

04:52:08.240 how much time does a mother of five have for her kids issues what are you

04:52:14.400 okay let me see

04:52:15.760 what is she doing

04:52:20.000 i'm not doing anything

04:52:26.320 9.99 20 dollars okay

04:52:30.160 selena gornez says sorry for tuning in late i'm here for maddie's after show ha

04:52:34.800 selena thanks for being here

04:52:37.600 preesh

04:52:40.160 still not that was the only 20 one

04:52:42.640 brian brian you need to live madison could you do like a cat again

04:52:49.680 what does that mean

04:52:50.320 what does that mean let me on a better show

04:52:52.480 what are you doing stop

04:52:55.360 stop being a weirdo

04:52:59.440 doesn't she have a beautiful i need to be on a thank you

04:53:02.160 a better show yeah

04:53:03.680 yeah all right mr yeah that's just pissing me off

04:53:07.360 twenty dollars is a good price for after show super chat ladies chilling on the phone

04:53:11.680 honestly i would i was like shitty after show some weird

04:53:14.960 no one's listening to me right now with a bunch of why is no one listening to me

04:53:23.600 yeah i i thought no no it's fine i was just reading the super chat but it says twenty dollars is

04:53:29.840 a good price for an after show super chat ladies chilling on the phone makes for a shitty after

04:53:34.160 show what celebrity would you like to debate or fist fight

04:53:40.240 do you want to answer first she didn't hear what is

04:53:44.240 what celebrity would you like to debate or fist fight i would like to debate

04:53:48.480 hmm i don't know i would fist fight hillary clinton

04:53:58.800 hillary clinton i would fist fight for her too

04:54:02.080 and i would debate i'd probably i'd probably debate like joe biden or something tegan men and

04:54:08.720 men and women's sports there are men and women's sports and it's an issue

04:54:12.800 it's a problem all right doc vena bliss had so much to say to the quack hack he was so off clearly

04:54:23.040 poor concept of marriage uh he's not here so okay sweet tooth just look for his name

04:54:31.040 just look for this name in your insta dms also you don't need to get the government involved to get

04:54:35.440 married i'm trying to look for the dms but i'll look for it after the show because yeah how many

04:54:44.960 cats would it take to defeat an average sized dog

04:54:50.400 hide that depends on the dog love the show maddie and brian you're awesome but y'all need chase he just

04:54:57.520 adds that extra edge and base don't be away too long oh don't be away too long no we're gonna be away

04:55:04.000 just for a couple weeks like two weeks so like four shows maybe a couple more a couple less we

04:55:12.080 don't really know but yeah it's an empty cup it's not gonna bounce oh my god tegan's going brazy

04:55:22.320 i'm what this show needs look at me all right dude that mike davis chat at the beginning was wild

04:55:31.840 haha he never holds back dude is god we love mike davis you think you do this with a real baby

04:55:43.040 right like why i can't it's you are the only one who understood my comment about the flowers

04:55:50.160 you must be top of your class huh tegan vegan vegan wait you are the only one who understands my

04:56:02.160 comment about the flowers yeah what did you say about the flowers because he was saying that he

04:56:07.920 thinks that flowers on a first date is good for a guy to bring because it's showing what he represents

04:56:13.600 as opposed to not what he's trying to give to the woman you know what i'm saying your response to it

04:56:18.240 that's what i just translated it because everyone was confused oh wait what did you say though when

04:56:25.040 they were like um asking about well i was the only i didn't get to speak my opinion because i was never

04:56:30.960 given flowers with within not an official like relationship yeah i love flowers just saying

04:56:39.360 i like flowers too i've gotten like i've gotten like handwritten letters yeah handwritten letters

04:56:47.760 are like one of my favorite things ever flowers love just any any i prefer appreciation

04:56:58.960 all right uh turn in late tuned in late so i don't know if brixton talked about it but did he resolve

04:57:04.720 his little issue with chase is chase coming on again let me sit and i'll address that all right i

04:57:12.000 got a dip deegan's got to do i gotta go dean had a day i got like a two-hour drive probably good after

04:57:18.640 you use that baby i well i live in new jersey what yeah that's another red flag she lives in jersey i'm

04:57:28.640 sorry i couldn't help it you can't help living in jersey is my mic on do you uh are you italian

04:57:40.080 yeah i'm talking about you italiano all right hey thank you for coming thank you it's good to meet you

04:57:47.280 find you this mike is what's up yeah we've been live oh i'm gonna i'm gonna want to be your friend

04:57:58.480 when you make a big oh my bad as what a stripper i'm i mean i could what do you mean there's some

04:58:07.360 good strip clubs in new jersey don't undersell yourself have you ever don't undersell yourself

04:58:13.200 i'm teasing you tegan you're gonna make it big as a swimmer right how do i lower this

04:58:21.280 brian why are the mice like not stable i don't know this one is i'll just twist this part

04:58:32.560 bye nice meeting you okay i'm not gonna i'm not gonna address the chase thing

04:58:36.560 but uh i appreciate your message but i just at this at this moment in time i'd rather

04:58:42.080 keep my thoughts on that private

04:58:53.200 okay get out of here keep it moving keep it pushing are you gonna go on amazon and get

04:58:58.800 it she's mad because i called her a stripper

04:59:05.760 um

04:59:06.000 that was a brutal cough nick that was a brutal cough yeah got some flint up in there

04:59:19.840 woodland i'll just i know guys uh just

04:59:23.280 reminder 20 and up yeah that question from far was a little uh when we were talking about the

04:59:29.440 patriarchy that was a little she was digging for something um

04:59:36.400 do you read this madison go ahead madison you should host the show while brian is on vacation

04:59:41.680 can you what's it called here uh wait what demona is your name here let's carry that baby can we put

04:59:54.640 this mic madison can you put that mic on the ground oh this chair is squeaky holy

05:00:00.000 shit my chair was squeaky too um why am i hoarding a baby that's a good question practice um

05:00:11.840 yeah i mean if madison if you can get like nine chicks to come be on the show you could host it

05:00:18.960 if you want ladies my dms are open actually no dm at whatever bro i'm not gonna i'm not gonna

05:00:25.440 schedule are you are you buying i don't think i could do that what you're buying am i what are

05:00:30.960 you interested i can i'm friends with madison so if you're interested i could like hook it up

05:00:35.600 no no i'm not are you am i oh like bisexual yeah because i heard you say i thought you were like

05:00:40.880 i thought you said do you like goth girls do you like goth no i'm straight okay i'm heterosexual

05:00:46.160 and i have a boyfriend madison heterosexual confirmed okay tegan check your dms lol your style of

05:00:53.920 caring for your baby's on point i think she left or i'll have you read these how do you keep that

05:01:00.560 hat on the whole stream it's pretty comfortable is it yo you know what chat i with just so you guys

05:01:08.960 know i i reinvest in the show i just spent 200 on three different spartan helmets the spartan helmets

05:01:19.600 that are like uh from 300 so next time i do a kickoff before i do the kickoff i'm gonna wear

05:01:27.200 was that the noise bro is that you burping no it's hiccups oh you hic okay oh it's just so like

05:01:35.360 hot like high pitch it sounds like a dog getting like stepped on on accident and like screaming i i

05:01:41.200 just spent 200 on like three spartan helmets so whenever i do a kickoff i'm gonna put it on first

05:01:48.320 and i'm also gonna do a uh this is like a green screen for this one

05:02:00.640 a lot of typical rp versus tradcon clashing of late i personally would describe tradcon as adherence

05:02:07.840 to societal duty within the confines of gender roles whereas rp being more fight modernity with

05:02:15.840 modernity thoughts i don't have any thoughts in general lots of cool oh okay uh typical rp versus

05:02:29.520 dragcon clashing of late what's up can you yes is that when your ride's coming or okay we might not

05:02:44.480 drag it on that long but but yeah you're welcome to kick it um if you want to sit in that seat over

05:02:51.680 there so you're on camera uh yeah thanks madison

05:02:59.360 word donovan fletcher thank you man appreciate it uh

05:03:07.520 did you read this one from doc yeah okay we talked about oh boy

05:03:14.320 oh shit did i not wait oh okay i see what happened i see what happened um

05:03:28.880 um interesting well whatever if you oh pull that super channel try to roast me

05:03:36.080 give me your best roast if i sent you guys some carolina reapers would you eat them all

05:03:41.120 on air or would you eat them on air no no i'd do it for like i think i'd do it for a bitcoin actually

05:03:48.880 no i wouldn't even i wouldn't even do it for a bitcoin maybe madison would i would do it this

05:03:55.360 chair is so noisy holy was it like that all night i didn't even notice it until now well i wasn't

05:04:02.960 that my chair was do you want to swap can you swap out madison yes this one and that one

05:04:11.120 um was he talking shit rollo bro there's so much infighting in the space i don't know if i should

05:04:22.800 even fucking comment about the shit no i didn't i didn't hear i didn't hear him talking about me um

05:04:28.240 it's bro these guys are these guys are like i don't know if they consider themselves like alpha or like

05:04:39.760 high value or but there's it's literally like high school with some of these dudes and i'm not trying

05:04:47.680 to engage in any of the drama um all right i've oh i thought yeah they came here okay all right hey

05:04:57.680 thanks for thanks for coming thank you bye bye uh did did something happen um with yo rami can you tell

05:05:07.840 us what what was he saying what was he saying rami bro a lot of these guys talk shit and uh

05:05:14.640 um it was i don't think i've ever i don't think i've ever talked about anybody in this space these

05:05:21.760 guys are like i don't know it's like this isn't high school like who gives a

05:05:26.640 i don't feel the need to like comment about other people um i don't look i don't know what

05:05:33.600 he said maybe he didn't say anything who knows but

05:05:36.560 i don't know chat what do you think do i just uh

05:05:45.440 i think i just turned the other cheek with these guys who are talking like i just don't care i don't

05:05:50.240 feel like it's worth my time to engage in it um but i mean it's unfortunate i had rollo on the show

05:05:58.000 and i was perfectly polite to him i put his books on the table i said i i promoted his books so for him

05:06:07.200 to turn and talk about me after i invited him into my studio invited him on the show had nothing but

05:06:14.640 have had nothing but nice things to say about like i'm just taking your word for it i don't know what

05:06:20.080 he said i haven't seen it maybe you can send another chat and uh yeah

05:06:29.920 but i i try to avoid the drama i have no interest in engaging in some like back and forth with these

05:06:35.920 guys and getting into arguments and making exposes and hit pieces on these dudes i just

05:06:44.000 i don't care um i don't care if i never collaborate with these guys i'm happy like if because

05:06:50.000 if if they have beefs with me that's that's fine i'm happy to stay in my little bubble here in santa

05:06:55.040 barbara and uh not engage i i think it's unfortunate though that there's infighting because um

05:07:04.720 there's already bro we're already like getting a not to be like ironic but the matrix

05:07:09.520 the matrix is like i know that's that sounds super cliche but like we are we are putting out

05:07:18.160 there some controversial views and opinions and we should be a unified front not divided but

05:07:27.280 there's a lot of divide and conquer going on right now and it's uh it's not good can you clarify what he

05:07:32.640 said though um oh three celebrities three celebrities for zombie apocalypse probably like elon musk

05:07:46.880 i don't think i would choose another celebrity my boyfriend and

05:07:52.400 your boyfriend's not celebrity he is to me that's what i was saying i don't think i would choose like

05:08:03.920 like a celebrity but

05:08:06.800 it

05:08:10.880 shit i mean survival or like

05:08:14.480 celebrities that's a tough one i can't

05:08:21.200 who's like just super fucking based who's a celebrity

05:08:24.560 who's like physically fit and like would help you with survival

05:08:29.680 um i'm so tired i can't think right now

05:08:33.280 who's just like

05:08:37.600 i'm sorry my brain i'm sorry romey my my brain's not working um i would i would um

05:08:52.320 i'm sorry my brain's not working i'm trying i'm like actually trying to think of who i

05:08:55.760 was a celebrity i'd want in my zombie apocalypse crew

05:08:59.760 what about the guy that played terminator arnold schwarzenegger he's kind of old

05:09:03.760 oh well what about a young version of him sure yeah yeah okay young arnold destroyer yeah i'll

05:09:11.200 take gorlock the destroyer and i'll take um joe rogan joe rogan how about that joe rogan

05:09:19.520 um i can't think of yeah whatever you shouldn't give a crap about the haters watching for three months

05:09:25.600 only show i've super chat on youtube hey thank you man glad that uh you're the uh you've

05:09:33.200 decided to uh support my show really appreciate it man your fans got you respect from camarillo

05:09:38.400 is camarillo 805 still i think it might be i don't know thank you man appreciate it

05:09:44.880 yeah bro i'm like really not trying to engage with any of this youtube drama

05:09:49.920 bullshit a lot of these a lot of these people on youtube it's like high school

05:09:56.000 there's been some other podcasts where people are talking shit there was a guy who was recently

05:09:59.760 on another podcast who he requested to be on the podcast i've never said anything negative about him

05:10:06.240 it just we haven't found the top i get so many messages from people wanting to be on the show

05:10:10.960 sometimes people fall through the cracks this guy went on another major podcast and talk

05:10:15.920 shit and he was saying like he was saying it makes him hate white people i'll just say he did it

05:10:24.480 it was john zirka he won't he went on fnf and like talk shit about the pod and he was

05:10:32.640 bro these guys love burning bridges i i mean like i've never said anything negative about any of these

05:10:37.840 dudes and they just insist on like talking shit i do not get it like these guys have no fucking finesse

05:10:47.120 they have no like tact i don't know whatever uh can you read this one manison brian would you do prank

05:10:56.960 videos again maybe possibly i have i have a lot of ideas but um yeah that's fun brian avoid the drama

05:11:13.600 and rise above it you're the true mvp don't let the high school bs occupy any of your time

05:11:21.680 thank you thank you uh selena yeah i mean maybe i shouldn't have even just said what i just said

05:11:26.400 i should just maybe ignore it um i don't have any bad feelings towards these guys but like

05:11:34.240 i don't know maybe they think i'm like a pushover and they can just like

05:11:39.600 they know i'm not gonna like come back after them because i just don't give a fuck

05:11:44.400 um so they are like okay easy target let me just talk about him he's not gonna like come out and

05:11:50.400 fucking oh let me talk about you i just don't care and like i'm really not that type of person so

05:11:58.000 yeah maybe i shouldn't have even mentioned it but i don't know chat whatever

05:12:05.440 that's my channel

05:12:08.800 brock lesnar would be my pick whatever we are hey rippy thank you man

05:12:13.360 yeah i don't i don't i mean i don't know a lot about john zirka he seems like a pretty charismatic

05:12:21.840 guy um i think his complaint was that whatever podcast is really boring um i don't know man i mean

05:12:29.920 you reached out wanting to be on the show we never we just it slipped through the cracks it never happened

05:12:35.520 i'm sorry if you feel like we slighted you um but i don't know man i feel like it's not

05:12:41.280 it's kind of not a good look to just go on another podcast and talk shit when there's really no reason

05:12:48.080 to do it man um do you want to read this yeah you're 100 doing the smart thing engaging only feeds

05:12:57.120 more continue bringing on quality people making sound arguments advancing the show ryan have you

05:13:05.040 considered adding any more routine questions like the self reading just yeah

05:13:11.280 uh what i usually like to do at the beginning is when people are

05:13:42.240 sharing their relationship status i usually like to uh like dig into it a little bit you know are

05:13:48.800 you really single so that's that's pretty routine i like to ask clarifying questions about people's

05:13:54.960 true relationship status because people will come on the show but they have like they're sleeping

05:14:00.720 with five dudes like are you really single you know um

05:14:05.120 brian just started watching the show a few days ago and have been binge watching for the past six

05:14:12.640 or seven episodes good stuff man enjoy the vacay

05:14:17.120 how do you say demona oh is that her name demona how many blood sacrifices have you participated in

05:14:23.280 none yet yet brian would you ever do that do what a blood sacrifice what is what is a blood

05:14:36.160 sacrifice is it wait they were talking about it earlier is it just when you like share your blood or

05:14:42.080 like you drink it when you use your blood as an offering you like exchange your blood it's so

05:14:50.320 weird i don't know um all right uh at whatever gang up glad i caught the pod before it blew super

05:14:58.160 big ps camarillo is still 805 let's go 805 thank you for uh supporting local support your local

05:15:06.240 podcaster thank you man appreciate it um yo demona what's up

05:15:15.680 i feel like there was kind of like this really like intense romantic tension between us the entire show

05:15:21.920 um i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm fucking around did you feel that uh no not really like what about

05:15:30.720 like was there a sexual tension you think no i thought it was just all r.i.p's in the chat for brian

05:15:37.040 r.i.p i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm joking around demona um thousand oaks is 805 too word word

05:15:45.920 um um i wanted to ask um the panel earlier about the worst date story time

05:15:55.600 oh what oh wait you want you don't want to tell yours right oh well i was gonna tell farha after the

05:16:03.600 show uh but she left and i forgot oh yeah like why i said no to a girl should i share it i want to know

05:16:15.040 so gross i don't i would like to know i don't want to i don't want to share i i shared my my crazy

05:16:23.360 story so you know even it out what's that i shared i shared my crazy tire slashing story earlier so

05:16:32.160 that would even it out

05:16:37.840 well i mean i could share a bad date but you should you go first and i'll share honestly

05:16:43.440 i haven't i don't really have uh actually i do well like was it frankie no it was not frankie

05:16:51.840 but like i don't really have a bad date like thing i don't really know i haven't had a bad

05:16:57.680 date besides like me having to pay on like important occasions but that's all

05:17:04.480 i mean i've had i've definitely one time i was on a date with the chick i have so many bad dates

05:17:14.640 so many nothing like super like awful but just like kind of shitty this one

05:17:24.480 i mean this one time a girl blew up an entire date because i brought

05:17:27.680 i brought a water bottle like this on the date because she's like some environmental type chick

05:17:34.080 and she like started an argument over the fact that i brought a water bottle with me

05:17:40.240 welcome to california guys bro she like tanked it was otherwise like i don't think it was like

05:17:45.520 a good we were having a pleasant conversation i don't know if there was like a good connection

05:17:50.000 but we were having a good convo and at the end of the date

05:17:52.320 she like starts grilling me that i had a water bottle literally one just like this

05:17:58.240 like an awkward kind of like grilling you though or was it no she was really condescending she was

05:18:03.280 like by the way um it's really irresponsible your environmentally for you to like drink from

05:18:10.800 water bottles you should get a flask not in a joking way to that well i was just like

05:18:17.840 like well let's talk about your uh carbon foot like let's talk about your footprint then what

05:18:25.760 kind of car do you drive and then i was like how often do you go on vacation

05:18:32.960 do you have makeup because makeup comes in plastic containers the material in makeup is mined by like

05:18:40.800 children in africa or something like so how far do you want to take this conversation about like being

05:18:46.160 environmentally conscious so it did not end well just popped up a tts oh yeah did it yeah

05:18:57.200 i don't see it here oh it's probably below the threshold

05:19:02.640 can you read it do you see it over there hold on i'll fix it really i'll fix it really

05:19:09.280 like oh wait what no it's not there you won't be able to see it there yeah um one of the things

05:19:19.760 earlier were tell brian to make a discord server hold on i'm trying to fix this on my end wait what the

05:19:29.120 frick whoops here i'll do it let me pull this one up

05:19:37.920 john zirka says ridiculous for laughs i doubt he has an actual issue with you

05:19:44.880 i don't know man it's kind of a perception thing though if you're going to go on a podcast and like

05:19:49.760 talk shit you can't assume that people are going to assume that you're joking

05:19:55.280 um a lot of people want to play that game where they're like say some shit that's offensive and

05:20:03.120 then like try to play it off like it's oh i was just joking man it's like come on dude

05:20:12.320 didn't like the shit he was saying didn't sound like a joke you know um

05:20:17.040 brian it's the flight attendant 32 no kids never married body count nine there's a guy i really like

05:20:24.800 traditional and godly 42 two kids divorced two years ago he has options can i put myself at the

05:20:31.520 front without being too much all right

05:20:38.000 i mean

05:20:40.400 i'm trying to like if i'm viewing this from my perspective you're 32

05:20:43.840 do are you sure you want to get like i'm looking out for you this guy could be a fantastic person

05:20:51.760 but like he's got two kids in tow i mean he's divorced issues but i mean obviously you see

05:21:00.480 something in this guy i mean he could still be a really good guy maybe i don't know but

05:21:05.680 just seems like if if i didn't have kids i wouldn't want to get with someone who has kids

05:21:12.080 she looks so young yeah sorry and by the way sierra i'm you know i don't date flight attendants

05:21:19.040 otherwise um unless you're willing to give me your plus plus one flight attendants they have like a

05:21:25.840 plus one i don't know listen we can uh i'm i'm going on vacation so if you want to take me to hawaii

05:21:32.400 make it happen make you make me your plus one um he has options can i put myself at the front without

05:21:38.000 being too much he has options can i no matter what he's going to be able or he's going to be the

05:21:45.520 one to choose who's best and worst within her option within his option so don't do anything he's

05:21:54.960 gonna do that did he literally say he was joking at what point i mean i'd have to shift back through

05:22:03.440 the video and see he didn't say or they didn't say he was joking but like someone in the chat says he

05:22:09.920 said he literally said he was joking but uh we can work with 32 um listen make me your plus one can i

05:22:19.440 get an upgrade though the first class because i kind of like i need to i need the lay back beds or the lay

05:22:25.840 the the lay back uh chairs because of my back and neck issues if i'm gonna go on the flight just

05:22:33.680 saying um it's a good i'll pay for the upgrade i guess i don't know um or if you i mean if you're

05:22:41.120 really nice sierra if you really want to be a a g you can treat me to a first class to hawaii let's go

05:22:49.040 to maui though i like the four seasons on maui um what's the other good one on maui four seasons

05:22:56.000 fuck what's the i haven't been hawaii since i was like three years old you should go back

05:23:00.240 i do want to go back uh guys just a reminder free flight my dms are open

05:23:08.720 what was your worst date um share so my worst date um well i've had two very horrible ones

05:23:20.240 no trauma please no no trauma um so this hand uh we'll call it reese from malcolm in the middle

05:23:36.960 in this hand we'll call it um we'll call it

05:24:03.840 pof so pick one

05:24:09.680 that one okay reese from malcolm in the middle story okay so

05:24:17.840 um so so so i was talking you still haven't finished your story i was up for like three

05:24:25.280 minutes no no okay i was i was saying i have two horrible ones pick one oh left left hand oh she

05:24:36.960 already picked okay just just tell your story please um so pretty much i was uh talking to this guy

05:24:48.240 and um you know i don't know he was just kind of weird but i was like oh it's cool you know

05:24:56.080 i don't mind one eternity oh my god okay never mind can you just can you arrive at the point

05:25:05.680 well okay you were dating a guy okay well was he into like was he a furry okay if you wanted if you

05:25:13.680 wanted super super super brief well when he picked me up he was dirty first of all on the way

05:25:21.120 dirty he was kind of dirty he was riding dirty he had cocaine on him no like like he looked like

05:25:29.200 hygienically dirty if we were dating would you stalk me because i'm kind of like looking for a girl to

05:25:36.480 stalk me i need that level of obsession it's kind of hot when a girl's like obsessed with you you know

05:25:43.040 okay anyway yeah yeah but not that obsessed not like a little casual stalking never hurt anybody

05:25:49.680 i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding um no he was dirty as in like his hands look like he

05:25:55.760 just got done working on a car um that's a surefire way to never let a girl finger you okay what huh

05:26:03.600 and then on the way to his house he we almost crashed twice and um and then you know

05:26:12.640 from there i was already like uh i kind of don't want to be here but he we we were already driving

05:26:19.440 he was driving and he eventually blew up on me because well because i joked because it was kind

05:26:28.240 of awkward so i joked around i was like oh you know you look like the less hot version of reese from

05:26:34.880 malcolm in the middle and he was he he eventually got mad and blew up on me um over what is that

05:26:48.400 oh my god this is the kind of music that you like well anyway yeah he cursed me out yelled at me chased me

05:27:00.800 at the house and then i had to hide in the bush call an uber and he skirted out his garage after he

05:27:09.360 was throwing things and throwing a tantrum in his house and i had to hide in the bush

05:27:16.320 and then the bush yeah i had to hide in a in a neighbor's bush yeah and use their wi-fi

05:27:23.600 and he he was looking he was looking for you he was looking for me what the fuck bro holy

05:27:31.280 she's just hiding in a bush on the side of his house holy i'm sorry that's not funny but

05:27:39.440 that's pretty crazy was he god no he was he looked like a regular casual dude was he

05:27:47.200 you said you had a cholo phase yeah what's the opposite of chola is it cholo oh no chola's girl

05:27:56.000 but cholo's guys yeah did you are you into cholo like the cholo is it offensive for me to say that no

05:28:02.960 okay no um i used to be into like cholos back then but now i don't were you were you ever in a gang

05:28:12.800 yeah huh no you're not in a gang anymore no not anymore it was it was it was a dumb little high

05:28:22.480 school gang did you tell us the crimes you committed um i didn't really do any statute

05:28:30.400 of limitations it's all good it was just it was just fighting like it was just it was just dumb

05:28:36.400 fights like did you ever shank a bitch no never you fought a bitch though yeah would you fight dudes

05:28:45.200 no i wouldn't fight dudes was it a female gang or was it a like a dude gang and you were like the one

05:28:51.760 ride or die down chick no it was both male and female how many people have you fought

05:28:58.080 oh i've been in so many fights with chicks or with dudes not not gang related though oh not just

05:29:06.560 overall so you were a gang banger did you do shoplifting what would you do uh yeah we did

05:29:13.200 shoplift a little bit did you gang bang yeah you banged yeah like like so the way it's done is if

05:29:21.120 someone comes up to you and they ask you where you're from you have to represent your gang how would

05:29:27.760 you represent your gang they would ask like oh you don't want to say okay okay okay i feel like

05:29:33.920 usually someone would ask like can you pass me the the baby yeah would they ask like who you with

05:29:41.600 yeah or they'll say who where are you from yeah not who you with but where are you from

05:29:48.800 i'm from the do you bang did you say you're from the av antelope valley no i didn't grow up out

05:29:53.920 there i grew up in in l.a you're in l.a well yeah uh the south what what part of l.a um southgate

05:30:02.240 southgate yeah that's where i lived like most of my life and then after high school i moved to

05:30:08.480 lancaster so you got out of the gang life after high school um or you continued i got out of it

05:30:16.960 after middle school by the way are these face tattoos or is it makeup uh makeup okay it's not

05:30:23.520 okay do you have a face tattoo after middle school middle school okay

05:30:31.680 do you ever see yourself dating a podcast host

05:30:36.000 um well

05:30:37.200 it depends on the vibes

05:30:45.360 how are the vibes right now

05:30:57.280 okay let's wrap so i haven't heard anyone roast me though okay let me do these chats guys 20 and

05:31:04.240 up and then we're gonna wrap um really quick uh uh maybe a discord in the future

05:31:13.200 uh kevin thank you has

05:31:20.000 myron

05:31:23.040 uh he's only had good things to say about you i don't really i wish i had more time because i'd

05:31:29.440 i used to watch uh fnf but i i honestly i'm so busy with the with my show i i really don't

05:31:35.840 i'll like catch a clip i'll catch five ten minutes here and there i don't really have time to uh

05:31:41.760 like watch the whole thing so i don't know but uh uh that that sounds like that's good to hear if

05:31:46.800 he's had nothing but good things to say um i think myron is a uh

05:31:52.160 a uh exceptional debater his i i i um wish i was as articulate as he was he obviously has a very

05:32:03.840 good understanding of the intersexual dynamics um really strong debater uh i have likewise i have

05:32:12.640 nothing but uh positive things to say about uh myron i'd be more than happy to collaborate with them i'm

05:32:19.680 not sure if they're uh open to it but if they are if they're they're welcome to come here i'd be

05:32:28.320 happy to come on to uh fresh and fit uh do you want to read this miss meow why do you like about or

05:32:37.040 what do you like about goth culture and what do you hate about it what did i hate about the hookup

05:32:44.720 culture um goth culture what do you like about goth culture and what do you hate about it um i

05:32:50.480 really i really like how um it's how you know we pretty much 20 and up guys and unique um what i don't

05:33:01.040 like about it is um well kind of like i don't know i don't really have i can't really say i dislike

05:33:12.160 anything about it it just depends on the individual you know do you feel that people

05:33:16.960 like see you differently or react with you or like interact with you differently though yeah i think

05:33:23.440 i think like 90 wait question have you ever

05:33:28.240 i have friends who are cyber god too she know how to dance like that

05:33:54.240 brian how did you just have this pulled up

05:34:11.680 and i like that type of music music too um is that kind of what you're all about

05:34:17.280 um i wouldn't say that's what i'm all about i'm not that social just like once in a while

05:34:26.400 um then i'll go out i'm more social online but i'm going out and stuff um i don't really do that

05:34:33.360 a lot okay word um by the way guys reminder 20 and up for the soup chats uh mackenzie warren

05:34:43.040 thank you hey recently discovered the show so good love to hear the fascinating psychology of

05:34:48.880 some of the guests wondering if you would ever consider having leo gura on it could be a pain but

05:34:54.160 his mindset would be fun with others not uh not sure who that is thank you for the uh super chat um

05:35:02.800 yeah not sure who that is rippy thank you man brian instead of the flight discount from flight

05:35:09.040 attendants gotta find the hotel employees get those hundred dollar flat rate stays anywhere in the world

05:35:14.240 hilton or marriott front desk employees where you at frankie frankie well he's taken unfortunately he's

05:35:21.680 taken otherwise i'd shoot my shot but uh flight discount eh hotel employees get down too

05:35:31.280 i've pretty much ruled out like 90 of women based off of their careers okay um oh she's a private flight

05:35:37.120 attendant wow what's happening in island you're cool dude um sierra she's a private flight attendant

05:35:52.560 i have a bonvoy rewards saving for that honeymoon oh didn't that was 20 oh thanks sierra i appreciate it

05:36:05.200 listen sba santa barbara airport fly in pick me up you're private so like private jets that's even better

05:36:14.240 private flight attendant so it's like a private private jet yeah you know

05:36:23.920 it's a bit of a red flag but listen

05:36:27.760 uh exceptions can be made um

05:36:31.200 um okay moving on uh what's your um i'm kidding guys i'm kidding what's up what's my type

05:36:40.800 oh well i was gonna i was crazy short goth chicks is my child who used to gangbang and

05:36:47.200 shank people did you ever shank somebody i think we we established no we asked for that already um

05:36:53.280 i was gonna say uh what is your ideal of a perfect first date for both of you do you want to go first

05:37:02.240 madison a perfect first date doesn't have to be something that costs money uh just something simple

05:37:09.200 like going to the beach walking around somewhere having a good time oh um yeah it's a quality time

05:37:17.440 yeah quality time yeah i don't really you know i don't have a picture for chipotle

05:37:22.240 i'd be down for that so you're asking what's my perfect first date what for your ideal perfect

05:37:30.320 first date yeah my ideal perfect first date here it is a 10 out of 10 billionaire heiress

05:37:39.040 no actually she's not even an heiress bill yeah 10 out of 10 virgin billionaire heiress

05:37:46.880 um contacts me and says that she's she's in love with me um and she wants to treat me to for our

05:37:58.480 first date and all expenses paid couples retreat to her her parents villa in hawaii on maui

05:38:07.840 i would say that's pretty perfect and ideal a guy can dream what about realistically oh

05:38:17.840 realistically okay um take her to mcdonald's that's what the friends are all about realistically

05:38:24.640 okay i think i'm gonna wrap here uh pretty soon

05:38:43.440 or what do you usually do when you take a girl out

05:38:47.040 to a date what do i usually do when i take a girl out on a date yeah

05:38:54.640 honestly i like my game plan is like to not even go out i just kind of want her to come over

05:39:06.640 that's my preference and if if i can and netflix and chill

05:39:14.080 i guess i'm just honestly i'm so busy i don't like i don't know i don't want to do the whole like

05:39:20.160 court i'm not interested in doing traditional courtship anymore um so like if a girl dms me

05:39:29.680 or something i i just at this point i'd much rather just choose amongst the girls that hit on me

05:39:36.880 then like me put myself out there it's just like does this work yeah i did it i did it for most of my

05:39:44.160 life even when i was doing like the prank videos um i was always the one who initiated it's like

05:39:51.200 i basically have initiative fatigue and i'm in the position where like there are girls contacting me

05:39:59.040 who are interested in me so it's just like i'm just picking amongst the girls that are already

05:40:04.480 showing interest i'm no i have no interest in like doing courtship anymore it just doesn't interest me

05:40:11.520 yeah i'm the same way i used to initiate um in the past and in my opinion like whenever i initiated on

05:40:20.960 a guy like guys they get like really stuck up and stuck up yeah they get so stuck up like how so like

05:40:30.960 like like they don't see it as like oh this is oh that how nice like she wants to get to know me um

05:40:41.280 you know she i feel flattered or anything like that they see it as oh she wants my dick you know

05:40:51.120 and and they act like oh like oh all the girls want them and things like that like their ego gets boosted to

05:40:59.120 the roof you know so it's like i stopped doing that because what were you talking about um

05:41:12.960 i mean me personally i i don't like if i'm not gonna like be a dickhead if a girl initiates with me

05:41:19.840 and shows interest in me um some guys don't like it i i don't have an issue with it i i don't want a

05:41:26.400 girl who's like super aggressive with it to the point where she's like basically saying hey i want

05:41:33.680 to fuck you like being kind of like obscene about it but if a girl just like slides into my dms and

05:41:39.680 she's direct and she like just says hey i think you're cute or like i'm interested whatever then i

05:41:45.840 can work with that um i don't feel the need and i'm like i have girls dming me so it's not like

05:41:51.440 like you know it is what it is and they have the did they have the riz girls don't they don't need

05:41:59.840 riz girls don't really need riz because i know i feel like you you kind of do have to have riz

05:42:05.600 well you can't you can't be socially inept but like i know how to i mean given my entire previous history

05:42:12.800 of me having to always initiate i know how to like once a girl initiates i can like i don't need a girl to

05:42:19.760 lead the con the interaction but if she just makes that initial effort i can recognize okay she's

05:42:27.360 interested and then i can pretty much just lead from there can can i show you a funny tick tock

05:42:35.680 sure what is it is on your phone yeah um let me know if you've seen it it's so funny but this what is

05:42:44.400 it about here i'll do some chats while we're figuring that out oh wait

05:42:56.480 uh can you read this one philip says she said to roast her i think her head is shaped like a guitar

05:43:02.320 pick who who wanted to be roasted you or she wanted to be roasted

05:43:06.880 a guitar pick yeah guys roaster that doesn't make sense do you want to read this one yo brian wish

05:43:14.400 you would have read this dream labs don't know but i wanted to say i respect a lot of people like

05:43:20.160 yours and fresh and fitz opinions but don't always like their demeanor you seem more like the kind of

05:43:25.040 guy i want to chill with hey hey you ready uh hold on romero thank you man um yeah i mean i try to

05:43:35.600 stay humble and um i don't know like i don't consider i'm trying to think how i want to word this uh

05:43:45.680 i don't know like a lot of the guys that are in the space they're

05:43:53.920 i i like to think i'm just like a normal dude i don't know i think i'm like just a normal guy

05:43:59.280 i'm not i'm not trying to be a guru i'm just having conversations with people oh what was your thing

05:44:07.200 the gym there's this super cute guy at the gym

05:44:25.600 or oh hold on i just pull it up on the computer oh she gets rejected

05:44:32.080 um i just want to say i think he's really cute and i was wondering if i could get yourself that

05:44:37.040 no it's fine that's fine all right excuse me i just uh i'm good trust me

05:44:44.000 i don't know you just kind of kind of busted again

05:44:48.160 staged that's fake you think that's staged yeah that's fake no no guy like no guy's gonna reject

05:44:55.440 a girl like that it's a lot of a lot i'm sure it happens i've been rejected before

05:45:00.640 like that did the guy call you busted he didn't call me busted but just like you're not really my

05:45:06.560 type that's not i mean that's not well rejected as in you got rejected but like but you you have

05:45:13.280 to be careful because a lot of the shit on tiktok like that is is staged yeah oh yeah that's it's

05:45:18.560 like it's but i'm sure it happens

05:45:23.120 most most guys if they're gonna reject a girl first off like if a girl here's the difference is

05:45:28.640 like some girls get approached so frequently that it's like annoying for them whereas most men

05:45:35.280 get so rare like they rarely get approached so if you approach a guy even if you like get turned down

05:45:41.040 most of them are going to be like pretty chill about it they're going to almost probably be apologetic

05:45:46.400 like oh my god hey thank you like i just i got a girlfriend i'm really sorry but hey you know

05:45:52.640 i feel like we talk about like different groups of guys though like i feel like guys like my age and

05:45:59.120 younger younger men are like a lot or if they're super hot or if they're really hot they'll be like

05:46:07.360 oh how dare you like but think you have a chance with me but you realize you realize that like most men

05:46:15.120 will never get approached will never get hit on like that where a girl like goes up to them in

05:46:22.240 in person whereas like take an average girl even average girls have been approached so it's like

05:46:34.000 like i get most chicks they might be complimented by a guy they might get hit on they're gonna forget about it

05:46:39.200 the next day if you approach a dude like if you approach like an average guy it's probably the

05:46:46.720 one of the only times in his life he's ever going to get approached and he's probably going to remember

05:46:52.320 that the rest of his life most of the chicks aren't going to remember most chicks are not going to

05:46:57.680 remember 90 of the dudes that hit on them so that's true that is actually very true yeah so i i'm

05:47:06.880 trying to think if i've ever been approached in public i think when i like when i was young i used

05:47:13.280 to i was never a big partier but i'd occasionally go out to parties i maybe got approached at a like

05:47:20.080 in a party environment one or two times yeah i think in a party environment maybe maybe here i'm

05:47:29.840 gonna read this one from rex okay oh shit hold on i gotta hide this i got brian just want to say i

05:47:35.680 respect a lot of the pins you and people like oh i think this one also came through as a sorry yeah

05:47:40.000 i i saw that you mentioned this sorry rex um or romero thank you man all right do you want to read

05:47:48.000 this brian be honest did you start this podcast to pick up chicks lol uh no no um i'm not really

05:47:56.960 like trying to date the girls that uh come on the show i mean i'm not i'm not opposed to it

05:48:01.520 but like wasn't the purpose no the purpose was i wanted to uh start a podcast but uh yeah um

05:48:14.960 wait there's one here from wait someone was saying something about rollo fuck that he he wasn't talking

05:48:25.840 shit wait did i miss it

05:48:36.800 oh here it is

05:48:39.840 kyber hey thank you man rollo tomasi had nothing bad to say about you brian please ignore all the

05:48:44.080 goofball childish instigators w whatever podcast is that true because some people were saying that there

05:48:50.160 was uh i don't know i don't watch i don't have time to watch any of these guys's full streams so

05:48:58.880 maybe i catch five minutes but most of the time i don't have time so um

05:49:05.760 i don't know if he said if he hasn't said anything bad if he has said anything bad i've

05:49:09.840 i don't know i i don't i try to be friends with all these guys like try to be on good terms with

05:49:19.600 all these guys so i don't know if they're saying like bad shit but yeah um cool cool um okay i think

05:49:27.280 that's it all right guys what's up oh i was gonna ask um what what are some um some of your uh what's

05:49:36.640 the word um you know um off not off limits um non-negotiables non-negotiables in a relationship yeah

05:49:47.920 if you're not loyal she can't have previously been involved in a gang

05:49:59.040 that's usually uh i thought you was with it though i'm do you see how pale i am like i'm too

05:50:08.400 do you do you need like a gangster is that the kind of guy you're attracted to

05:50:12.400 no it's like a thug no i don't i don't like um gangsters or thug type of dudes

05:50:20.240 i just like dealers i'm i like gamers gamers um people who oh well not people guys who like anime

05:50:30.480 um like they could be any style i prefer like white asian and hispanic

05:50:38.640 um they as long as they're taller than me i don't care if they're like six foot if anything

05:50:46.320 like i think six foot is like too tall so it's kind of like awkward but you know i don't really

05:50:53.920 care too much about height um yeah i i usually attract like nerdy dudes um weird who are like

05:51:04.720 weird and awkward because that's how i am so i guess they're comfortable with me

05:51:11.840 good times good times the shortest guy you've dated um same height as me like or like an inch or two

05:51:20.160 aren't you four yeah i was gonna say can you show us the boots can you like lift the boots up on

05:51:24.480 so not onto the table but i don't know can you this way this way hold on that's not gonna

05:51:31.440 we'll just wait center oh yeah that works damn those are some giant fucking boots so you're 411

05:51:38.960 yeah all right good times good times good time okay all right last super chat here casual me

05:51:48.400 thing for the australian 20 uh madison can you read this one brixton you're a real one keeping you and

05:51:53.840 most importantly keep you have and most importantly keep having fun with this podcast keep sending the

05:52:01.120 asteroid keep wingmanning chad wow gamers and mike d and keep spreading alm slash blm awareness

05:52:10.800 thank you man appreciate it blm big lady matter hashtag blm okay um yeah man thank you appreciate it

05:52:22.560 and uh i didn't send i feel like i have not been sending the asteroid as frequently as i would

05:52:28.720 i would like to i also want to start doing i have uh i got i got we've this one a couple times

05:52:40.800 oh my god that's so fucking holy shit and then i got this one

05:52:48.240 boom and sometimes i'll send this one

05:52:52.720 yep there's that also that one's kind of stupid i don't know if i like that one send the nuke um also

05:53:01.920 i have tate here

05:53:05.760 i oh i should have made tate yeah

05:53:10.160 sorry

05:53:14.080 papa tate has joined the whatever podcast um

05:53:20.000 you you didn't finish telling me about your um non-negotiables

05:53:24.320 um she wears cat ears um yeah cat ears um

05:53:37.040 she has a pentagram if she has a pentagram necklace

05:53:42.400 that's that's usually pretty bad um do you have what kind of other what kind of other tattoos do you

05:53:49.360 have um i have like um my wrist one and ankle um and then little ones right here and right here

05:54:03.040 i don't really have that many i have a roast for you here i want you to read it

05:54:07.600 you want to roast into the mic the intel of a potato the speech panner of a jay fedman with less

05:54:16.720 coherence and a sucker like a bottom feeding fish also just generally creepy much love she asked for it brian

05:54:27.760 yeah i mean it is true yeah i am talking kind of slow today because i am tired um

05:54:33.760 um but yeah but thank you sweet good times um

05:54:43.360 do you have any piercings or anything i should be aware of i should be aware of no i used to have

05:54:50.480 a bunch of piercings but i had to remove them because you went to prison no you went sorry you

05:54:56.800 went to county jail no because usually like you have to get rid of your well i have been to jail but

05:55:02.480 i oh but that's not why um why did you go to jail um vandalism vandalism yeah graffiti yeah

05:55:13.840 okay all right 4 11 though yes she's

05:55:27.200 she's been to jail but she's 4 11. into jail 4 11.

05:55:34.320 i feel like you like that she's been to jail whoa whoa and some people don't like to admit but

05:55:45.120 they like the they like the bad boy bad girl yeah i like me a good girl i like me a good girl

05:55:52.320 4 11. used to be in a gang

05:56:02.480 it's just

05:56:03.040 it's tough it's a tough call all right um nick do you know how to uh end the stream i'll look uh

05:56:13.360 yeah just uh do uh do that i'll tell you what i'll just say good night all right good night guys

05:56:19.520 i said i'd only do a 30 minute but it probably ended up being an hour all right good night guys

05:56:23.520 has

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Whatever Podcast - June 05, 2023

Dating Talk #78

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