00:07:46.080I mean, I hate what men hate about women.0.68
00:07:48.980Like the toxic traits that come with every gender, there's duality to everyone.0.76
00:07:56.580So there's the extreme to certain things that women do towards men that may, like, be damaging to a whole that some people may not deserve, but they inflict it because of other men.0.87
00:08:09.320But I have that same feel, or other women, or however.0.83
00:08:51.760i've brought it up in an episode because a man was not able to explain the word he did not know
00:08:57.940what the word meant and i was like what you're talking about is misandry and he was like what
00:09:02.460is even that and i'm like if you don't know that word then why how can you tell us that we hate you
00:09:08.840if you don't even know like the word to it like misogyny is such a like trend word like everyone1.00
00:09:14.420knows what misogyny is i feel like in this day and age because of feminists but no one knows what1.00
00:09:19.780misandry is and the extreme that goes behind misandry and hating men truly, instead of what0.99
00:09:25.900traits come with it, just like women in many ways. I don't know if I'm contradicting myself,0.99
00:09:32.700but I'm happy. There's two things you said there that I suppose I take some issue with it. So
00:09:40.340you are correct that misandry as a term is not as well known as misogyny. That so much is true.1.00
00:09:48.240I don't think that, though, someone not being aware of the term would be evidence of, I think you were saying something along the lines of, how can you think that manhating exists but not know this word?
00:10:04.520I think the crucial part of that would not necessarily know a technical term for misandry, but actually knowing that there is, in fact, anti-male sentiment, there's man-hatred, and so misandry is simply a socially constructed word to describe a phenomenon.
00:10:26.380If somebody's aware of the phenomenon but not the technical term, I don't think we can necessarily fault them.
00:10:32.000My second issue here is that feminists would perhaps say that, you know, well, at least the feminist framework would say because there's not enough people who are aware of this female issue, that's a problem.
00:10:46.580Well, through the feminist lens, could I not say that because people are less aware of the issue of misandry than they are of misogyny, which almost permeates every facet of much of the discourse, you see this in universities.1.00
00:11:06.800Well, so I would actually argue if it is a lesser known thing, and it's actually perhaps in some instances being suppressed or misrepresented, the degree to which there is misandry in society or in culture or in other ways on an individual or systemic or social level,
00:11:25.920then from a feminist lens this would almost be like this is a uh men are somehow are greater
00:11:34.820disadvantaged than women on this specific subject because people just seem to broadly know less
00:11:41.780about the struggles of men and whereas the struggles of women are embraced by politicians
00:11:47.580they're embraced by institutions systems academia the universities uh pop culture0.51
00:11:53.940but there's very little to be known are dying at the hands of like as women i think that's where
00:12:01.140like the misogyny and the feminist movement does go like how many how would that be women
00:12:06.640are the femicide like how many women under i know what it is explain i can't uh you'll have to
00:12:14.080fact check me on the age but i think it's under 40 or under 30 there is a number one killer
00:12:20.280for women and it's not disease it happens to be men so where is the statistic this is completely
00:12:28.480inaccurate oh look at the uk like just because we're sheltered in the u.s the uk has completely
00:12:33.980like obliterated their government and their faith in their government to the fact that
00:12:38.680to the point that they look at different outlets just like americans are starting to look at
00:12:43.580different outlets we got to stick on one we got to stick on one subject here really quick to1.00
00:12:48.160address the UK thing there the UK is the wokest and most feminist government in the entire world1.00
00:12:55.280yeah so but they they literally arrest citizens for like offensive speech so this idea that the0.99
00:13:02.380UK government is like the issue doesn't exist the embodiment of misogyny the UK the United Kingdom0.88
00:13:08.680is like pretty much has gone as far as it possibly can to push feminist narrative but going back to0.65
00:13:14.680the original point you were suggesting that uh you know the biggest killer for women within this age0.69
00:13:20.340cohort is men this is complete fabrication it's feminist misinformation disinformation feminist0.57
00:13:26.960nonsense feminist anti-male propaganda slop at no age cohort at no age cohort can you look0.73
00:13:34.420anywhere and see that the biggest killer of women is men men now to be fair men do commit acts of
00:13:42.240violence against women, you're going to have to explain to me how it necessarily is because
00:13:47.760they're women and not some other reason. However, I'm not going to dismiss that men don't,
00:13:52.480of course, men commit acts of violence towards women, they murder them. However, the idea that
00:13:57.880it's the biggest threat to women's lives is ridiculous. You have much, I would assume across0.94
00:14:04.640age cohorts, there's going to be health issues and there's going to be like car accidents,0.99
00:14:08.300which is going to be the bigger thing that contributes to women's mortality.0.83
00:14:13.680But the original question was, what is femicide?0.98
00:14:17.640Femicide, it is the killing of women, mass rates across the globe.
00:14:24.820It happens to be an epidemic going on.
00:42:06.480bro if i said if imagine if sudan granted granted me citizenship like i was some refugee from the
00:42:17.580united states like a political uh you know i was a like a political opponent of the state and i had
00:42:23.600to flee the united states and i fucking moved to sudan they give me they give me refuge and then
00:42:29.740I'm like, you know what? My allegiance is still to the United States. What would happen to me in0.96
00:42:33.420Sudan? I'd get fucking killed. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. It's crazy. Not, look, not that a1.00
00:42:39.980lot of people are fleeing to Sudan for refuge. In any case, though, completely ridiculous. I think0.98
00:42:48.120she's completely shut down, so I'm probably not going to get more from her. I know you had a
00:42:54.240question or a comment. I'll let you come in on this. I'm curious what the other women think.
00:42:59.740I'll just simply say this, you're a traitor, you're treasonous, I frankly think that your citizenship should be revoked and in quick time you should probably be deported.1.00
00:43:16.180Yeah, I was just going to chime in on that and ask you, don't you think that you owe some sort of loyalty and allegiance to the country that you're living in and where you're reaping all the benefits?
00:43:26.800the country yeah i think i do but okay
01:36:12.420You were about to say, I was asking you to reconcile, and then you were about to say something about hip tips before you made the comment about height, short men being feminine, essentially.
01:36:23.040Well, I think they both don't have the control of the aspects beforehand.
01:36:29.700but um i think like honestly in society i think hip dips are more normalized than a man being0.99
01:36:38.820short right so that still doesn't really answer my question though so i understand that women's
01:36:46.100height preference is ubiquitous it's frequent it's common it's um kind of expected men don't
01:36:58.000Don't men accept that women prefer taller men, generally speaking.
01:37:05.720My question, though, is why would it be wrong if women are allowed to have a height preference
01:37:11.580or any other number of numerous other physical preferences that women care about?
01:37:18.720How could it possibly be wrong for a man to reject a woman, not want to date her because she has hip dips?
01:37:28.000i don't really think it's exactly wrong for the height standard it's all preference right
01:37:36.200so yes preference isn't out of wrong but it's out of what you like and don't like and if you like
01:37:43.740someone without hip dips then you do and if you like someone taller than you do as well i don't
01:37:50.220really have an argument against it it's just what you like and don't like in my opinion i just think
01:37:54.640men shorter, more feminine from what I've experienced. And if they aren't, then they
01:38:00.700aren't. Okay. Your thoughts? Um, just kind of going off of, you know, what you're asking,
01:38:07.080it's kind of like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So everyone has to have, or doesn't
01:38:13.600have to have, but everyone has their own preference of what they like. So for me, height isn't really
01:38:19.220a big strong suit I mean I've dated short guys I've dated taller guys so I mean going back on
01:38:26.860hip dips I mean if that's the guy's preference having it or not having it then that's you said
01:38:32.700it was wrong though I did but I mean for me it's like a hip dip is not that not that what um
01:38:44.520important than height. Okay. So great. Men, short men can say height's not that important.
01:38:50.880You women should disregard it and stop caring about it. Just because you as a woman don't see1.00
01:38:58.760the, uh, preference that men have on this. Now, to be fair, I think most of the discourse on hip
01:39:06.580dip is sort of to counter signal women's discourse on height. I think most men don't really give a
01:39:15.200fuck about hip dips. Now, to be fair, women, I think it's more attractive. Like it does look0.99
01:39:22.760better. I think it's for most men, I don't think it's going to be a deal breaker. I don't think
01:39:27.580they're going to see a woman they would otherwise be attracted to. And it's like a hundred percent
01:39:31.460deal breaker. But I think it does sort of point out this sort of, I don't know if we would call
01:39:41.580it hypocrisy, where the moment men start having preferences and standards, especially surrounding
01:39:47.380women's appearance, well, then it's wrong. But women certainly have no shortage of things that0.85
01:39:57.080they care about when it comes to men's looks and so you said it was wrong uh I don't know how you
01:40:04.840reconcile totally I'd rather date a man who's this tall and it's fine for women to date to prefer to
01:40:11.980date men who are this tall but also wrong for men to not want to date women because of hip dips
01:40:17.640I honestly never really understood what a hip dip was until today so I mean if it was a different
01:40:24.720you know subject maybe it would be a little bit more of a different you know situation for me to
01:40:31.020kind of balance this but we're going from hype to hip dips I mean I I don't know
01:40:39.780well so I I guess I would just ask again to get a temperature check on where you land0.63
01:40:44.960is it wrong for men to no wrong for men to not want to date a woman because she has hip dips
01:40:50.280if it's his preference then no i guess okay interesting uh all right what is the minimum
01:41:01.700yearly income to be your future husband starting with you um i don't really have a specific number
01:41:09.040i think it's whatever allows you to live comfortably in society i mean obviously
01:41:13.480there's a range but i don't have a preference okay i feel the same as long as i'm not the one
01:41:18.820like eating the bill or footing so desert jorge donated 100 discord crew has declared chair three
01:41:27.620full-on retorted hype tied to masculinity gtfo also egypt isn't killing people who believe in
01:41:35.640jesus the quran acknowledges jc is a prophet not an enemy all right desert jorge appreciate it do
01:41:43.380have a response to desert jorge desert jorge um i never talked about muslims in that case
01:41:50.700but he's talking he oh my god bro he he said chair three full-on retorted
01:41:58.600height tied to masculinity height tied to masculine yeah you're probably sure it's all
01:42:06.260i have to say desert jorge as an orthodox christian that seems like a very judgmental
01:42:12.860thing for you to say about someone's height to to attack them on their their height yeah0.55
01:42:20.660i feel like you're kind of a troll like it's hard to tell a little bit
01:42:25.460um are you actually an orthodox christian yeah i am okay just like the blatant kind of disrespect
01:42:35.260is interesting to me um especially as an orthodox christian do you believe um christianity is
01:44:34.580Uh, I mean, I've dated minimum wage workers, but I mean, but so this is like, this would be your preference for your future husband. So minimum yearly income issue. I haven't set a preference and I've like, so zero, can it be zero? Uh, not anymore. No. Well, so then 60 K let's say 60 K. Thank you. Uh, minimum yearly income for you. I'd say 180, 180,000 for you.
02:41:42.320All right, well, I have nothing then on that one.0.87
02:41:45.980But ultimately, my position is that I don't think that women are holding up their end of the social contract by being traditional women themselves.0.97
02:41:55.380the biggest again i'll sort of repeat myself biggest manifestation of gender roles the0.94
02:42:02.000expectation that men be willing to die for a woman massive like that's a huge ask for a man0.94
02:42:07.800what are how are the ways in which women are being traditional nowadays generally speaking of course
02:42:14.260there are still women who cook and clean and are submissive of course but broadly speaking on
02:42:20.400average in general, are women traditional? I would say no. I would say no. I'd agree with that, for
02:42:28.400sure. So, just thoughts on that. Okay, we're going to do
02:42:34.580Gorlock. On a scale of zero to ten, rate your own looks. Face, body, you can't pick seven. I'll give
02:42:45.260you an example I'll give myself a rating face 4.5 body 4.5 so if you can structure your answer
02:42:52.760face blank body blank do it like that please go ahead face for body three okay next five and five
02:43:05.020okay next face three and a half body six face i'll say five body three
02:43:15.400i would say face five body five face six body six uh face five body 5.5
02:43:27.820wow this may be the most reasonable i don't know if it's because i scared them
02:52:34.700Okay. So, I agree with you. Some women are stronger than some men, but it's quite rare. And even, I would argue, a lot of men who are minimally trained or even untrained, many times will still be stronger than even, like, athletic, athlete women.
02:52:54.820okay i don't think there's much dispute there then uh let's see women do not have equal rights
02:53:02.580we already did that one let's see if there's any other uh you also say that uh adult age gap
02:53:08.920relationships are wrong you say that why is that it's wrong because my ex-husband was 20 years
02:53:18.000older than me and i feel like he manipulated me so well you've manipulated the united states
02:53:23.800government it doesn't matter but uh having a big age gap is not okay it's just not okay
02:53:31.020in my opinion but you participated i know and that's how i figure it was wrong
02:53:37.100well but let's assume that your ex-husband was your age i don't like men my age
02:53:44.820there's no there's no way age gaps are wrong but i don't like the men my age like i don't want a man
02:53:56.46010 years older than me or my age like he has to be at least two to three years older than me okay
02:54:02.800i see uh does anyone agree with her they dislike the age gap relationships
02:54:09.100no okay i would say that when maybe a woman is freshly 18 and the man's maybe 40 50 it's
02:54:19.060not wrong because like it's legal i would just say it's a little different than a woman who's
02:54:25.70030 dating a man who's 45 sure i would agree that it is certainly different um
02:54:32.080i'm not sure wrong the example provided here though was um uh 30 and 20 30 year old dating
02:54:41.580the 20 year olds yeah that's fine uh okay so you're um okay i'm not gonna i'm not gonna bite
02:54:49.860on the age gap conversation a woman's career money status makes her more attractive to men
02:54:54.540you also agree with that uh why is that i really don't know but it's just my opinion sure i think
02:55:04.300if you have your own money and you're well put together men will respect you more
02:55:10.420uh i'm not going to linger on this one for too long just for sake of time but i would say
02:55:16.180generally speaking in terms of being more attractive um i would say men typically don't
02:55:23.480care a whole lot about a woman's career status or money uh and i would compare it to like0.94
02:55:32.120um i think beyonce who's like super rich and wealthy but she's in her late 40s how old's
02:55:42.180Beyonce uh does anybody know Beyonce age 44 uh and then wait let me check let me check uh Leonardo
02:55:55.740DiCaprio he's 51 he's he's he's like six years seven years older than Beyonce so I think here's
02:56:04.040one example you put Beyonce in the nightclub and then you put like a really hot 20 year old woman
02:56:10.80021 22 year old woman in the nightclub uh the men are going to be more attracted0.57
02:56:17.360and would rather date and marry the 21 year old versus 44 year old beyonce who has
02:56:25.220pretty much one of the most stellar music careers that you could have um super rich
02:56:30.860and um you know i don't think that's true it's 100 true so look there are some men who might be
02:56:38.820hobo sexuals who are like, whoa, she's rich. By the way, Beyonce would never fucking even glance0.98
02:56:46.800at some 25-year-old dude's way. But assuming she was inclined to date these guys, yeah,0.95
02:56:55.800maybe there's some guy who's like, either he does it for clout, which is pretty rare. But if you
02:57:02.620were to ask the men putting aside like your motivations to like fucking try to get money0.78
02:57:08.660from her or whatever which one is more attractive like which one do you feel a bigger like draw to0.96
02:57:16.460sexually and from like a looks attraction perspective um or i guess it should be like
02:57:22.720generalized looks or not generalized looks generalized attraction perspective the men are
02:57:27.600going to pick the 21 22 year old hottie over Beyonce whereas I think if you put like Leonardo0.63
02:57:33.620DiCaprio in a nightclub now he's getting 51 but let's say when he was 44 you put 44 year old0.98
02:57:40.020Leonardo DiCaprio in some nightclub some anywhere major city and not saying all the women will go
02:57:46.880for him I think a hot far higher proportion of women are going to look at Leo and be drawn to
02:57:53.160him versus like the hot 22 year old dude who's also in the club like the girls are going to want
02:58:00.000to go kick it with leo uh instead of like just the random dude in the general admission section
02:58:07.420of the club so there's also that now ultimately though one of the other reasons why i think men
02:58:13.140don't really care about it even if a woman does have a good career or she has good money uh women
02:58:19.860overwhelmingly do not share their resources to the same degree that men will share their resources1.00
02:58:26.500when the man's wealthy. So when the woman's wealthy, uh, she still wants guys to pay for1.00
02:58:31.200dates. If, if you're a woman and you're an attorney and you're making a fuck ton of money,1.00
02:58:35.500you still want the guy to pay for dates. You don't want to go 50, 50. So now look,0.99
02:58:42.980some women will pay for dates. Some women, I'm not saying this is like zero women will pay for1.00
02:58:47.720dates. Zero women will buy gifts and do these sorts of things. But one of the benefits of1.00
02:58:52.760dating a wealthy guy is typically you're going to have as a woman, you're going to have some
02:58:56.460benefits, financial benefits to dating a wealthy guy. Men are far more generous in a romantic sense
02:59:03.200when dating a woman. If they have money, a woman who's got a lot of money is far more stingy with0.96
02:59:08.540her money and is far less likely to be willing to pay for dates and do all these things. And1.00
03:31:43.000All right. We are going to play musical chairs here a little bit. So I'm going to just move you there. It's probably the simplest thing to do. Probably the simplest. Bro. Bro. What? That's crazy, dude. Oh, I've got hotel issues. Okay.
03:32:06.520nope just leave it uh okay so uh that throws a monkey wrench in a few things1.00
03:32:18.600uh let's see here okay well she's gone so she would have been good for the body count segment1.00
03:32:27.080because i guarantee you that shit would have been hi all right um let's see here1.00
03:32:34.320a woman should not be rejected because of her weight0.99
03:32:38.360Zoe you agree with that statement why is that
04:37:53.660So I think it's all about balance, you know, and for the most part, you know, you do keep things like you eventually turn it around, keep it lighthearted.
04:38:00.760You're not here attacking people or, you know, like trying to belittle someone in the intention of you or just being a harmful being.
04:38:08.700It's definitely more so it's a debate.
04:38:33.040And I guess what I was trying to kind of probe at was, so, again, we agree that, yes, freedom of speech, that's great.
04:38:49.400People should have the right to speak.
04:38:51.300things. And, um, I'm fine having people on the show who disagree. The only time, like in the
04:38:58.900case of, uh, our good friend chair three, uh, the only difficulty is when somebody can sometimes be,
04:39:07.520uh, trolling or, and I'll know, I'll know if that was actually the case. Maybe my read was wrong
04:39:16.020there but overall I'm okay with people disagreeing with me like that doesn't upset me that's kind of
04:39:24.080the fun part of the show but I think there's ways to have conversations where like you can engage
04:39:33.600with the conversation and it not feel like you're pulling teeth or whatever but but what are what
04:39:41.700are the things i guess the positions i have that you think are irresponsible
04:39:47.400okay so like i was recently watching one of your uh podcasts where you had mentioned about the
04:40:00.080right to vote and i believe something along i don't know if it was you or or somebody you were
04:40:05.160um how does the how does the somebody on the on the podcast just to just to jump in really quick
04:40:11.800um yeah i think that women should have the right to vote oh okay okay because i i feel like that's
04:40:19.040a big thing is that you know you can hear certain things in certain times and i'm going to take it
04:40:22.640a certain way but that's also even back to the um dying for your you know significant other
04:40:28.580conversation um the way i interpret it sometimes is a little bit more emotional i'm a woman so i
04:40:34.020I feel like I do live in an emotional state most of the time, which I feel like that's kind of the biggest thing is that I do tend to think more with my heart than with my head at times.
04:40:49.620And I'm very quick to maybe make harsh judgments or, you know, assume somebody means something when they don't.
04:40:56.100I feel that, though, for the most part, there's not a lot on the podcast that you've said that I really don't agree with or really have any kind of issue with.
04:41:07.540The bigger part about it is maybe I haven't refined my stance as much and don't have the knowledge I need to be able to create that kind of opinion.
04:41:17.400And that's where I'm just here to learn, you know, always hear other opinions.