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00:03:08.900 guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age occupation and where you're from go ahead

00:03:13.600 my name is savannah i am 25 about to be 26 and i am a model clothing designer and i guess influencer

00:03:23.500 guess influencer yes you guess influencer maybe okay someone call it that okay what about you

00:03:30.560 my name is valve i'm 25 and i'm in tech sales all right where are you from boston boston okay and did

00:03:40.100 you say where you're from i don't think so los angeles la got it what about you my name is ashley

00:03:44.540 i am a nurse model and dj and i'm from alpasta texas and i'm 26 years old all right welcome

00:03:51.480 hi i'm athena i um i go to school in pomona

00:03:57.600 i'm an architecture major and i'm 19 all right welcome hi i'm kura i'm 23 um i'm a nurse and i'm

00:04:08.440 from oxenard are you an rn i'm an lvn okay got it what about you hi my name is mia please hi my name

00:04:17.760 is mia i'm 21 i am from la and i'm also an only fans girl okay welcome i'm a comedian jeff dieh i'm

00:04:27.580 from seattle washington originally but now i live in los angeles and i'm 40 years old

00:04:33.800 i was making sure no one judged me i looked at all their eyes

00:04:37.780 no i look yeah this is good it's good they're really nice all right cool so we're gonna go

00:04:44.220 around the table once more so what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single

00:04:50.860 talking stage situationship friends with benefits relationship married polycule sex cult harem what's

00:04:56.520 that one if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've

00:05:03.320 ever been in go ahead okay um i am currently single the longest relationship i've been in was

00:05:10.120 two and a half years okay i'm not single i just actually am uh got a boyfriend we became official

00:05:20.660 thanks and my longest relationship probably two and a half years okay did you say how long you've

00:05:27.880 been single sorry i missed that part oh how long yeah how long you've been single i think it's been

00:05:33.100 like a year yeah probably a year okay oh excuse me sorry sorry i totally forgot we have andrew wilson

00:05:41.380 i'm sorry andrew we have andrew wilson on the line andrew is uh joining us via call-in this is one of

00:05:48.680 our first times doing like a call-in um just audio we did one with video um andrew sorry about that

00:05:55.740 um will you introduce yourself please yeah sure my name is andrew wilson i am the host of the one

00:06:02.460 and only crucible one of the fastest growing debate channels on the internet and uh regular uh to the

00:06:09.360 whatever podcast thank you guys all for having me here thank you for joining us uh via call-in

00:06:14.880 appreciate it kind of feels like he's our boss or something no like he's on like it's a conference

00:06:19.440 yeah like andrew did you get the numbers from is it just the tvs talking to you is that how it looks

00:06:25.340 on your end the tvs just like speaking to all of you he's from pretty much pretty much yeah you're

00:06:30.920 like that's great it's just like i can just chime in and go be silent i have spoken exactly there you

00:06:36.780 go there you go um so uh relationships status i'm taken and the longest relationship i've been in

00:06:44.600 it was like uh it was 2.5 years okay taken what was that married no like no boyfriend and

00:06:52.700 relationship you're in a relationship how long how long have you been in the relationship for

00:06:56.360 oh it's like three months so it's so fresh three months super taken

00:06:59.960 um six months is the longest one and i've been single for six months

00:07:07.900 so you're currently single you've been single for six months six months longest okay what about you

00:07:14.440 i'm currently single um i've been single for like three months and my longest relationship um like

00:07:21.920 three years all right cool cool cool okay what about you i am currently single i believe my last

00:07:29.580 relationship was over a year ago and my longest was three and a half years so you've been you've been

00:07:33.640 single for one year yes okay longest three years all right jeff what about you i am a single guy

00:07:38.760 ladies his dms are open yeah i'm single i've been single for about a few years two plus years and uh

00:07:46.640 my i i'm embarrassed to say my longest relationship just because i've had relationships that have been

00:07:51.400 years but it's always like off and on and some shit happens and then like we get back i'm one of those

00:07:56.160 guys so it's like you know years but if we're being honest like like consistent steady months is

00:08:02.440 probably my longest relationship red flag i know i know a little bit so longest was like two to

00:08:09.140 three months probably yeah i mean and i'm being generous was did you ever have a girlfriend yeah

00:08:15.560 they were like my girlfriend for like three months and then i would do some bullshit or they would do

00:08:20.340 some bullshit or i would get uh all like in a relationship and break up for like a week and

00:08:25.600 then be like i love you you know you know that whole off and on shit yeah okay yeah it can be yeah

00:08:31.140 we all have flaws that's true unreal and uh andrew what about you

00:08:36.020 and be honest andrew uh so i've been married for over 10 years um i don't remember the exact

00:08:47.000 amount of time that i've been with my wife but it's been for a long long time okay more than 10

00:08:52.820 yeah more than 10 yeah nice nice cool cool oh we gotta

00:08:57.940 nice chat would you rather get a massage from a gay man or surgery from a female doctor

00:09:09.960 serious surgery so basically would you rather get a massage or die

00:09:15.540 a massage sounds pretty great

00:09:19.080 chat that is the question

00:09:21.380 for the chat

00:09:22.120 chat you guys want to answer

00:09:25.480 that I don't know if we pull

00:09:27.340 the chat up chat which one

00:09:29.420 which one do you prefer they like your

00:09:31.360 joke the chat is

00:09:32.700 chat's into it

00:09:35.220 okay thank

00:09:37.520 you

00:09:37.880 what about you buddy what would I do

00:09:41.240 I think I'd take the massage

00:09:43.120 he's not having sex with me he's just

00:09:45.420 massaging me

00:09:46.320 close my eyes and go alright this guy's probably not

00:09:49.340 enjoying it the way I fear that he is

00:09:51.500 I feel like I'm going to kick the bucket on this one

00:09:53.460 no you wouldn't

00:09:55.440 I think I think I would

00:09:57.620 I think I would

00:09:59.500 just have to dive into my faith

00:10:01.640 and kick the bucket on this one

00:10:03.120 it's just a massage

00:10:04.340 just a massage

00:10:05.780 but if he touches my privates I'm going to be upset

00:10:08.740 I don't get those

00:10:10.520 no not from him

00:10:12.560 what if he offers a happy ending

00:10:17.600 I'd say no thank you

00:10:18.980 let's have a professional massage here

00:10:20.660 that changes the question

00:10:21.460 professional relationship

00:10:22.480 alright

00:10:23.100 so for those of you who are

00:10:25.940 single

00:10:26.720 what does that actually look like

00:10:29.580 so you said you've been single for one year

00:10:32.280 and we'll go around the table asking those of you who are single

00:10:34.540 are you currently talking to anybody

00:10:37.840 any men

00:10:39.260 women

00:10:39.840 in the picture

00:10:41.340 yes

00:10:41.900 yes

00:10:43.460 multiple

00:10:43.920 just one

00:10:44.820 just a guy

00:10:45.940 yeah

00:10:46.340 okay

00:10:46.880 what's his name

00:10:48.200 and address

00:10:49.400 that's personal

00:10:51.920 and social security number

00:10:53.060 give me everything on this guy

00:10:54.220 mother's maiden name

00:10:55.760 so

00:10:57.080 how long have you been seeing him

00:11:00.400 well we've been friends for like

00:11:04.320 am I too far

00:11:04.980 we've been friends for like

00:11:07.000 probably like two years now

00:11:09.120 but we started talking like seriously

00:11:11.400 probably like a month ago or two

00:11:13.460 okay

00:11:14.220 okay

00:11:15.340 and are you guys exclusive

00:11:18.880 are you dating other people or

00:11:20.340 exclusive right now

00:11:22.200 exclusive

00:11:23.100 that's a boyfriend

00:11:24.000 not really

00:11:24.980 exclusive

00:11:26.160 that's the whole definition of boyfriend

00:11:28.280 what is

00:11:28.680 what does not really mean

00:11:30.280 I mean

00:11:31.260 I get

00:11:31.880 well

00:11:32.280 I don't know

00:11:33.300 you just haven't said boyfriend yet

00:11:35.300 I guess yeah

00:11:36.680 yeah

00:11:36.900 alright

00:11:37.240 okay

00:11:37.620 alright

00:11:38.260 we're just taking things how it goes

00:11:40.440 I like that

00:11:41.080 so you're single also

00:11:43.280 how does that look

00:11:45.160 I go on dates

00:11:46.880 I have a favorite

00:11:47.920 and then there's like

00:11:49.840 the other guys

00:11:50.580 that are like

00:11:51.000 they're farther away

00:11:51.740 you know

00:11:52.120 so you have a roster

00:11:55.100 kind of

00:11:55.700 I wouldn't call it a roster

00:11:57.040 because they're dates

00:11:59.140 you know

00:12:00.220 they're

00:12:01.700 they're not like

00:12:02.560 they're not like hookups

00:12:03.940 oh

00:12:04.720 but you are hooking up with

00:12:06.300 your main guy

00:12:07.640 I don't want to answer that

00:12:08.720 you don't want to answer that

00:12:10.320 why

00:12:11.460 why is that

00:12:12.160 I'm worried about my digital footprint

00:12:14.660 you're

00:12:15.920 okay

00:12:16.400 so

00:12:17.160 what is

00:12:17.420 what is

00:12:18.280 digital footprint

00:12:19.580 worried about digital footprint

00:12:20.760 what are you in NFTs or something

00:12:22.560 if I like wanted a job

00:12:24.360 and then they search up my name

00:12:25.600 and then I'm

00:12:26.220 over here talking about

00:12:27.360 a bunch of gross stuff

00:12:28.680 gross stuff

00:12:29.780 well

00:12:31.060 let me ask you a couple questions

00:12:32.520 have you like watched this podcast before

00:12:33.680 I don't think

00:12:34.140 she requested

00:12:34.700 to be clear

00:12:35.340 I want to make it very clear

00:12:36.880 to the viewers

00:12:37.360 she requested to be on

00:12:39.220 she DM'd us

00:12:40.100 so there's

00:12:40.640 okay

00:12:41.340 I don't think your boss

00:12:43.060 is going to care

00:12:43.500 if you have sex

00:12:44.260 I was going to say

00:12:45.220 are you like

00:12:45.680 applying to be a nun

00:12:46.520 and like you can't have

00:12:47.460 any previous history of sex

00:12:48.660 you do realize this is a dating

00:12:50.760 and relationship podcast

00:12:52.260 where we talk about

00:12:53.420 dating

00:12:54.020 and

00:12:54.420 what topics were you anticipating

00:12:57.000 were you talking

00:12:57.600 like collateralized

00:12:59.360 I know

00:12:59.760 hold on

00:13:00.540 collateralized debt obligations

00:13:03.220 like what did you anticipate

00:13:04.480 we were going to talk about

00:13:05.560 on the

00:13:06.000 sorry for interrupting

00:13:07.360 it's fine

00:13:08.260 what

00:13:09.920 I mean there's like opinions

00:13:11.880 that I have

00:13:12.620 and

00:13:13.760 I said in advance

00:13:14.860 that I wouldn't

00:13:15.440 and you guys were like

00:13:16.220 cool

00:13:16.420 well it wasn't

00:13:17.660 you didn't precisely lay out

00:13:19.360 what was and what wasn't

00:13:21.560 I was told this was a sports podcast

00:13:23.900 I thought this was a job interview

00:13:27.100 I'll feel it out

00:13:27.820 well I'll just

00:13:30.540 okay so you provided

00:13:31.700 some pre-show notes to us

00:13:32.940 so I'm assuming

00:13:33.440 the pre-show notes

00:13:34.180 that you provided

00:13:34.820 are fair game

00:13:36.600 so

00:13:36.940 you said you have

00:13:38.200 many crazy dating stories

00:13:39.360 like you dated

00:13:40.180 influencers and billionaires

00:13:41.640 nice

00:13:42.260 you're very opinionated

00:13:43.320 you can argue

00:13:44.120 but kind of have

00:13:44.920 a unique stance

00:13:45.800 you think women

00:13:47.140 I don't think women

00:13:49.020 should work

00:13:49.500 that's what you said

00:13:50.200 is that correct

00:13:50.760 okay

00:13:51.760 you said you dated

00:13:53.720 influencers and billionaires

00:13:55.300 any influencers

00:13:56.800 that you can

00:13:57.620 reveal

00:13:58.940 I don't

00:13:59.940 I think they wouldn't

00:14:01.040 like that

00:14:01.540 can you tell us

00:14:02.600 the genre

00:14:03.140 like TikTok

00:14:04.200 fitness

00:14:05.560 and you said

00:14:06.880 you dated billionaires

00:14:08.000 as in plural

00:14:09.380 singular sorry

00:14:09.960 okay you use the plural

00:14:11.620 in your messages here

00:14:12.920 so you dated

00:14:13.920 a singular billionaire

00:14:15.000 can you tell us

00:14:16.200 what realm of industry

00:14:18.700 he's in

00:14:19.300 real estate

00:14:20.120 real estate

00:14:21.220 how old is he

00:14:22.100 30

00:14:23.260 a 30 year old billionaire

00:14:25.040 okay and he's in real estate

00:14:26.140 and you're 19

00:14:27.340 how old were you

00:14:28.580 when you dated him

00:14:29.260 18

00:14:29.880 it was gross

00:14:30.460 why

00:14:32.060 well he was what

00:14:33.340 29 and you were

00:14:34.320 you were 18 right

00:14:35.320 you were an adult

00:14:35.840 yeah

00:14:36.220 why would that be

00:14:37.200 gross

00:14:38.120 I mean my prefrontal

00:14:41.140 cortex isn't developed

00:14:42.340 so do you think

00:14:43.780 women shouldn't vote

00:14:44.720 at 18 then

00:14:47.060 no

00:14:48.320 so you

00:14:49.180 so you can make

00:14:50.060 political decisions

00:14:50.820 that could lead to war

00:14:52.660 but you don't have

00:14:53.860 the mental faculties

00:14:55.660 to engage in

00:14:57.260 consensual sex

00:14:58.020 with another adult

00:14:58.780 it's not really

00:15:00.580 about that

00:15:01.720 I can form opinions

00:15:03.440 about things that I read

00:15:04.680 but relationships

00:15:05.740 are like

00:15:06.780 like in politics

00:15:07.680 like I can read the news

00:15:08.920 and understand that

00:15:10.480 but relationships

00:15:11.480 are a lot more complicated

00:15:13.060 so you can elect

00:15:13.940 you can vote

00:15:14.680 to elect a representative

00:15:15.820 that would send people

00:15:16.900 to war to die

00:15:18.020 you can buy a firearm

00:15:19.680 you can

00:15:20.180 you can join the military

00:15:21.360 but you aren't

00:15:22.840 you don't feel like

00:15:24.020 you can engage

00:15:25.020 in a consensual

00:15:27.100 romantic or sexual

00:15:29.020 relationship

00:15:29.500 with another adult

00:15:30.400 um

00:15:31.300 you interrupted me

00:15:32.260 um

00:15:33.000 well hold on

00:15:33.840 no no no

00:15:34.140 hold on

00:15:34.540 I'm the host of the podcast

00:15:36.060 therefore there's a higher

00:15:37.060 conversational burden

00:15:38.100 on me

00:15:38.680 so yes

00:15:39.580 I'm

00:15:39.820 I have a little more leeway

00:15:41.080 to interrupt

00:15:41.600 go ahead with your point

00:15:42.400 I just meant

00:15:43.060 um

00:15:43.480 because I was gonna tell you

00:15:45.100 my point

00:15:45.600 go ahead

00:15:46.780 interpersonal relationships

00:15:48.780 are like in completely

00:15:50.060 different realm

00:15:50.800 it's not just processing

00:15:51.940 simple information

00:15:52.960 and then making

00:15:53.940 an informed decision

00:15:54.840 it's like

00:15:55.720 how do I explain it

00:15:57.400 I can't really explain it

00:16:02.900 but like

00:16:03.240 I think it's totally

00:16:04.420 different

00:16:04.880 you can't

00:16:06.200 you can't explain

00:16:07.040 your position

00:16:08.000 you feel like

00:16:10.580 he took advantage

00:16:11.280 of you because

00:16:11.620 he was older

00:16:12.240 I'm not saying

00:16:13.220 necessarily he did

00:16:14.080 I'm just saying

00:16:14.600 I won't know

00:16:14.960 how I feel about

00:16:15.620 it until I'm older

00:16:16.900 it's feelings

00:16:17.460 that's what it is

00:16:18.160 yeah

00:16:18.420 it's feelings

00:16:18.960 you called it gross

00:16:19.880 politics shouldn't

00:16:20.500 involve feelings

00:16:21.340 it does sometimes

00:16:22.740 but it really shouldn't

00:16:23.660 if you're voting

00:16:24.300 for the right people

00:16:25.020 um

00:16:25.760 but I mean

00:16:28.160 in relationship

00:16:28.620 there's feelings

00:16:29.240 you know

00:16:29.660 like you can be

00:16:30.540 manipulated

00:16:30.980 can I just ask

00:16:32.380 like outside

00:16:33.200 of the politics

00:16:33.960 of it

00:16:34.320 like why do you

00:16:35.120 think it's gross

00:16:35.600 was it gross

00:16:36.160 because the age gap

00:16:37.060 was it gross

00:16:37.520 because he did

00:16:38.120 things

00:16:38.440 you don't have

00:16:38.860 to specify

00:16:39.340 but like

00:16:39.820 what was gross

00:16:40.380 because

00:16:40.720 or was it gross

00:16:41.360 because you dated

00:16:42.100 a billionaire

00:16:42.760 what was in it

00:16:44.340 for you

00:16:44.760 I just think

00:16:45.360 in general

00:16:45.860 that like

00:16:46.660 there

00:16:47.460 I mean

00:16:47.920 I was like

00:16:48.280 a high schooler

00:16:49.040 you know

00:16:49.800 so you were

00:16:50.820 in high school

00:16:51.280 I was

00:16:51.760 yeah

00:16:52.120 I was like

00:16:52.720 naive

00:16:53.060 like I didn't

00:16:53.620 know

00:16:53.840 like he could

00:16:54.420 have been

00:16:54.680 hurting me

00:16:55.080 I wouldn't

00:16:55.480 have known

00:16:55.920 sounds like

00:16:58.260 zero accountability

00:16:59.100 to me

00:16:59.640 but

00:16:59.980 I just personally

00:17:01.440 think it's kind

00:17:02.080 of weird

00:17:02.480 like being 25

00:17:04.260 almost like 26

00:17:05.240 I personally

00:17:06.040 wouldn't date

00:17:06.560 an 18 year old

00:17:07.280 because there's

00:17:07.900 a very big

00:17:08.900 maturity gap

00:17:09.820 so like

00:17:11.000 that could be

00:17:11.660 a reason

00:17:12.100 so I think

00:17:12.700 like in that way

00:17:13.820 it's a little weird

00:17:14.460 because I personally

00:17:15.280 wouldn't date

00:17:15.780 someone a lot

00:17:16.660 younger than me

00:17:17.300 just because like

00:17:18.220 thinking back

00:17:18.840 when I was 18

00:17:19.640 like I was not

00:17:20.740 developed at all

00:17:22.780 like I didn't

00:17:23.320 know a lot

00:17:24.100 of things

00:17:24.560 that I do

00:17:25.060 now

00:17:25.380 I mean men

00:17:25.940 and women

00:17:26.260 are very

00:17:26.660 different

00:17:27.100 so

00:17:27.480 in what way

00:17:29.100 are you gonna

00:17:29.480 in what way

00:17:30.420 tell me what way

00:17:31.340 in terms of age

00:17:32.580 in terms of age

00:17:33.480 for you

00:17:33.960 well in terms

00:17:35.180 of what they're

00:17:35.740 generally attracted

00:17:36.580 to women

00:17:37.100 in general

00:17:38.060 tend to date

00:17:38.960 up even if

00:17:39.540 it's one

00:17:39.880 two or three

00:17:40.360 years

00:17:40.820 right

00:17:41.280 and we see

00:17:41.920 this this is

00:17:42.760 evidenced by

00:17:43.320 for example

00:17:43.800 marriage statistics

00:17:44.760 women typically

00:17:45.460 will marry

00:17:45.940 someone

00:17:46.380 I don't know

00:17:47.640 what the exact

00:17:48.200 average is

00:17:48.880 but typically

00:17:49.340 the average age

00:17:50.560 of marriage

00:17:51.120 for women

00:17:51.880 is younger

00:17:52.300 than it is

00:17:52.760 for men

00:17:53.100 Andrew do you

00:17:53.660 have anything

00:17:53.980 for this

00:17:54.500 yeah so

00:17:57.380 you're you're

00:17:58.240 kind of talking

00:17:58.840 about

00:17:59.320 oh sorry

00:18:00.120 hold on

00:18:00.880 sorry Andrew

00:18:01.900 donated two

00:18:03.500 hundred dollars

00:18:04.500 gross bc may

00:18:06.040 have to hashtag

00:18:06.820 me to underscore

00:18:07.920 victim those

00:18:08.760 biles

00:18:09.440 okay bone man

00:18:11.960 five three

00:18:12.400 okay bone man

00:18:13.960 appreciate

00:18:14.880 I don't understand

00:18:16.100 I have something

00:18:16.800 about that though

00:18:17.460 it's like

00:18:17.820 so you were

00:18:21.300 saying like

00:18:21.680 you wouldn't

00:18:22.160 you know

00:18:22.460 you remember

00:18:22.840 what you were

00:18:23.220 like and

00:18:24.000 you're thinking

00:18:24.360 back like

00:18:24.840 well it doesn't

00:18:25.440 seem like

00:18:26.100 yeah I

00:18:26.880 wouldn't want

00:18:27.540 to date a

00:18:28.100 young chick

00:18:28.740 because we

00:18:29.480 don't have

00:18:29.760 interests that

00:18:30.880 are the same

00:18:31.440 I would we

00:18:32.020 I wouldn't I

00:18:32.440 don't even know

00:18:32.820 what a lot of

00:18:33.360 young women are

00:18:34.160 talking about

00:18:34.840 most of the

00:18:35.380 time

00:18:35.580 yeah I don't

00:18:36.320 I don't like

00:18:36.840 it however

00:18:37.480 I would imagine

00:18:38.460 that a billionaire's

00:18:39.460 motive of dating

00:18:40.380 her is probably

00:18:41.860 physical right

00:18:42.980 he's not looking

00:18:43.920 to engage with

00:18:44.940 her about

00:18:45.560 the thing like

00:18:46.940 finance

00:18:47.560 or technology

00:18:48.840 or any of those

00:18:49.200 things

00:18:49.340 so why is his

00:18:50.900 motive gross

00:18:51.760 to date her

00:18:52.440 but her motive

00:18:53.320 to be with a

00:18:54.000 billionaire

00:18:54.340 is some

00:18:55.420 was he super

00:18:57.040 hot I mean

00:18:57.840 was this guy

00:18:58.440 like what was

00:18:58.880 the right

00:18:59.420 so your motive

00:19:00.060 might have also

00:19:00.560 been physical

00:19:01.140 and but also

00:19:02.260 you're bragging

00:19:03.060 that he's a

00:19:03.400 billionaire now

00:19:04.100 even though you

00:19:04.580 found that it

00:19:05.000 was gross then

00:19:05.900 so you guys

00:19:06.780 just had a nice

00:19:07.400 little trade there

00:19:08.240 that's all that

00:19:08.860 was I don't

00:19:09.360 think it's gross

00:19:10.060 I don't think

00:19:10.520 he's a piece of

00:19:11.120 shit for wanting

00:19:11.720 to date a young

00:19:12.660 chick

00:19:12.980 I think that

00:19:13.700 everything that

00:19:14.320 you said is

00:19:14.780 correct but I

00:19:15.520 think it's still

00:19:16.120 completely valid for

00:19:17.240 her to look back

00:19:17.980 on that and find

00:19:18.980 it to be gross

00:19:19.900 completely valid

00:19:21.680 it can be all

00:19:22.540 those things that

00:19:23.100 you just said

00:19:23.680 and still for her

00:19:24.340 to be gross

00:19:24.440 and I didn't

00:19:24.800 judge her for it

00:19:25.240 I just said

00:19:25.600 why is it gross

00:19:26.420 I asked why

00:19:27.020 Andrew

00:19:27.420 Andrew

00:19:28.020 but when you say

00:19:28.740 valid

00:19:29.220 what do you mean

00:19:30.440 by valid

00:19:31.040 just how she

00:19:32.600 feels about it

00:19:33.360 she can feel

00:19:34.580 valid about it

00:19:35.340 I just asked her

00:19:35.420 why I used the

00:19:36.080 word

00:19:36.160 hold on

00:19:36.600 please let them

00:19:37.400 talk

00:19:37.720 can't she feel

00:19:40.200 valid about

00:19:40.860 anything

00:19:41.260 what does that

00:19:42.380 mean

00:19:42.760 it's totally

00:19:44.040 a meaningless

00:19:44.540 statement

00:19:45.020 no

00:19:46.180 if she's looking

00:19:47.340 back at it

00:19:48.160 and I know

00:19:48.680 there's a source

00:19:49.340 of intimidation

00:19:50.280 here

00:19:50.500 she's probably

00:19:51.300 the youngest

00:19:51.700 person here

00:19:52.400 right now

00:19:52.840 hold on

00:19:53.840 what

00:19:54.680 it's a little

00:19:56.120 bit of an

00:19:56.500 intimidation

00:19:57.140 I think

00:19:57.580 we went around

00:19:58.400 the table

00:19:58.880 and immediately

00:19:59.300 started harping

00:19:59.980 on the young

00:20:00.480 girl who said

00:20:01.180 she was uncomfortable

00:20:02.120 with a billionaire

00:20:02.820 hold on

00:20:03.640 I don't like

00:20:04.340 I do not like

00:20:06.100 the way you are

00:20:08.200 painting this

00:20:08.920 interaction here

00:20:09.820 I started with her

00:20:11.020 I asked her

00:20:11.740 what her status is

00:20:12.680 you two are in

00:20:13.740 relationships

00:20:14.320 I'm going

00:20:15.440 I'm going around

00:20:17.120 asking people

00:20:18.320 to delve

00:20:19.300 further

00:20:19.800 into their

00:20:20.580 I think his

00:20:22.140 feelings are valid

00:20:23.040 I totally agree

00:20:24.520 I think everyone's

00:20:25.340 I think you're

00:20:26.020 so right

00:20:26.760 there's some

00:20:27.580 disagreement

00:20:28.060 you're so allowed

00:20:29.000 Andrew did you

00:20:29.640 want to continue

00:20:30.300 with

00:20:30.560 yeah I was

00:20:31.920 trying to figure

00:20:32.620 out what you

00:20:33.080 meant when you

00:20:33.900 said it's valid

00:20:35.300 so if everything

00:20:35.920 he says about

00:20:36.880 this is true

00:20:37.780 you say but

00:20:38.740 you're just

00:20:39.540 talking about

00:20:39.880 her feelings

00:20:40.480 in general

00:20:40.980 right so how

00:20:41.880 she feels you

00:20:42.680 think that that's

00:20:43.340 going to be

00:20:43.640 valid regardless

00:20:44.820 of what the

00:20:45.640 fact of the

00:20:46.160 matter is

00:20:46.660 totally I

00:20:47.460 think I

00:20:48.140 think there's

00:20:48.620 a there's a

00:20:49.260 if someone is

00:20:50.380 feeling a certain

00:20:51.180 way I think

00:20:52.380 they're totally

00:20:52.840 she's looking

00:20:53.480 back at it

00:20:54.020 and she's like

00:20:54.340 you know

00:20:54.500 that was really

00:20:54.980 gross that made

00:20:55.500 me feel really

00:20:56.040 uncomfortable

00:20:56.500 it probably did

00:20:57.200 feel gross and

00:20:57.840 uncomfortable

00:20:58.220 is that the

00:20:59.020 situation at hand

00:20:59.920 objectively who

00:21:01.380 knows but if

00:21:02.400 that's how she

00:21:03.000 feels personally

00:21:03.780 that's how she

00:21:04.380 views the

00:21:04.700 situation

00:21:05.140 that's why we

00:21:05.520 asked why

00:21:05.900 and that's you

00:21:06.500 ask why

00:21:06.980 yeah just

00:21:07.400 like why do you

00:21:07.860 feel gross

00:21:08.400 it wasn't a

00:21:09.080 judgment at all

00:21:09.760 there's nothing

00:21:10.120 wrong with you

00:21:10.700 questioning it

00:21:11.260 and there's

00:21:11.440 nothing wrong

00:21:11.780 with her

00:21:12.200 with her

00:21:12.760 answering it

00:21:13.500 but I think

00:21:14.080 that's it

00:21:15.820 I feel like

00:21:16.840 yeah but you

00:21:17.340 could see where

00:21:18.080 the confusion

00:21:18.600 would come in

00:21:19.440 for trying to

00:21:20.100 get to the

00:21:20.440 fact of the

00:21:20.980 matter and

00:21:22.160 instead of the

00:21:22.580 fact of the

00:21:23.020 matter you kind of

00:21:24.500 what about her

00:21:25.200 feelings though

00:21:26.000 well we're just

00:21:27.100 trying to get to

00:21:27.600 the fact of the

00:21:28.180 matter what

00:21:28.460 about her

00:21:28.860 feelings

00:21:29.480 that's why I

00:21:31.540 asked you

00:21:31.920 specifically what

00:21:32.720 you meant by

00:21:33.180 valid and what

00:21:34.400 you meant by

00:21:34.840 valid was how

00:21:35.600 she feels right

00:21:36.460 where do I look

00:21:36.860 when he's talking

00:21:37.540 like where is he

00:21:38.760 straight up

00:21:40.540 like you can

00:21:41.820 hear me so

00:21:42.340 like answer

00:21:42.800 look to the

00:21:43.840 heavens

00:21:43.960 you told me

00:21:44.280 what like

00:21:44.740 valid meant

00:21:45.340 and like valid

00:21:46.020 just meant like

00:21:46.680 feelings right

00:21:47.480 did I talk

00:21:48.680 go ahead

00:21:49.380 it's your thing

00:21:50.480 I'm sorry

00:21:50.900 to speak on your

00:21:51.480 behalf

00:21:51.740 also I'm going

00:21:52.800 to talk to her

00:21:53.160 the same way

00:21:53.640 whether she's 18

00:21:54.540 or 19

00:21:55.340 and you should

00:21:56.140 well but you

00:21:56.800 suggested maybe we

00:21:57.700 shouldn't because

00:21:58.700 she's a young girl

00:21:59.600 never once said

00:22:00.460 that

00:22:00.700 you said that he

00:22:01.240 targeted on her

00:22:01.960 because she's the

00:22:02.420 youngest

00:22:02.640 but I don't care

00:22:04.860 what fucking age

00:22:05.680 she is

00:22:05.940 it's not because

00:22:06.860 of age

00:22:07.340 no but I think

00:22:08.580 there is a level

00:22:09.240 of vulnerability

00:22:09.820 that I think she

00:22:10.580 has that most of

00:22:11.520 us probably don't

00:22:12.040 at the table

00:22:12.460 and you guys

00:22:12.840 know that

00:22:13.240 come on

00:22:13.560 I feel like a lot

00:22:14.660 of words are

00:22:15.160 being put in my

00:22:16.100 mouth from both

00:22:16.740 sides but I also

00:22:18.000 agree with both

00:22:19.060 sides and I also

00:22:19.960 think that

00:22:20.880 it's gonna be a

00:22:21.860 long show folks

00:22:22.740 with this conversation

00:22:24.200 like I think like

00:22:25.360 after hashing through

00:22:26.300 with you like I do

00:22:27.220 kind of change my

00:22:27.800 opinion a little bit

00:22:28.480 oh I'm sorry

00:22:29.100 I do kind of change

00:22:30.840 my opinion a little

00:22:31.480 bit after hearing

00:22:32.060 your guys's

00:22:32.520 but I think that

00:22:36.240 first of all I

00:22:37.580 didn't say

00:22:37.800 uncomfortable

00:22:38.180 and so yeah I

00:22:42.060 think that's all I

00:22:42.440 have to say actually

00:22:43.040 okay all right so

00:22:45.780 you were dating a

00:22:46.740 billionaire

00:22:47.080 how did you meet

00:22:49.160 him was it a dating

00:22:49.900 app

00:22:50.320 tinder

00:22:50.720 tinder okay

00:22:52.480 a billionaire was

00:22:53.240 on tinder

00:22:53.700 I know what

00:22:54.660 yeah it was crazy

00:22:55.600 how do you know

00:22:56.100 he was a billionaire

00:22:56.980 did he have a

00:22:57.460 wikipedia page

00:22:58.200 he had a literal

00:22:59.680 row of mansions

00:23:00.920 that his entire

00:23:01.660 family lived in

00:23:02.660 separate houses on

00:23:03.700 oh he's got family

00:23:05.420 wealth okay

00:23:06.140 yeah he didn't

00:23:06.960 he never

00:23:07.440 oh so he's like a

00:23:09.540 trust fund

00:23:10.200 yeah

00:23:10.700 okay

00:23:11.500 all right

00:23:13.240 wait so okay

00:23:14.960 and real estate

00:23:15.800 so okay

00:23:18.800 and you

00:23:19.420 so you met on

00:23:20.120 tinder you were

00:23:20.720 18 he was 29

00:23:22.260 at the time

00:23:22.960 30 and then 31

00:23:24.640 oh okay I see

00:23:25.560 and um so how

00:23:28.120 long were you

00:23:28.600 seeing him for

00:23:29.340 six months

00:23:30.320 six months

00:23:31.140 okay

00:23:31.600 and given that

00:23:34.300 he was a billionaire

00:23:34.940 did you kind of

00:23:36.060 reap any benefits

00:23:37.560 from that in terms

00:23:38.720 of was he kind of

00:23:39.760 like a sugar daddy

00:23:40.720 was it a sugar daddy

00:23:41.840 thing kind of

00:23:42.520 no I never got any

00:23:43.620 money but it would

00:23:44.200 just be fun stuff

00:23:45.020 like I'd be like

00:23:45.840 you know it'd be

00:23:46.240 fun right now

00:23:46.760 air hockey

00:23:47.300 immediately air

00:23:48.320 hockey table

00:23:48.900 just like wherever

00:23:49.740 I am at the

00:23:50.400 moment is now

00:23:51.240 there

00:23:51.520 isn't it's kind

00:23:53.220 of amazing to

00:23:53.940 me like an

00:23:54.940 18 year old

00:23:55.720 girl is dating

00:23:57.160 a billionaire

00:23:57.940 like that's

00:23:58.820 good for you

00:23:59.860 just that's

00:24:00.620 can we go back

00:24:00.960 to the to the

00:24:01.760 air hockey thing

00:24:02.480 real quick

00:24:03.000 but you just say

00:24:04.600 that your motivation

00:24:05.360 was what was

00:24:06.340 really cool about

00:24:07.100 it was anywhere

00:24:07.580 you could go

00:24:08.220 there would just

00:24:08.640 be air hockey

00:24:09.340 there for you

00:24:10.020 no I just think

00:24:10.640 that's one of the

00:24:11.080 interesting things

00:24:11.940 that wasn't the

00:24:12.600 main draw it

00:24:13.340 wasn't I'm not

00:24:14.060 like that air

00:24:14.680 hockey focused

00:24:15.500 but I'm just

00:24:17.940 saying as far as

00:24:18.740 perks go that I

00:24:19.600 wasn't like all

00:24:20.420 perks that wasn't

00:24:21.120 why I was there

00:24:21.680 but as far as

00:24:22.360 perks go

00:24:22.860 were you living

00:24:23.620 with him

00:24:24.000 no

00:24:24.340 okay

00:24:25.720 would he take

00:24:27.520 you on trips

00:24:28.120 would you guys

00:24:28.520 vacation together

00:24:29.340 he like did not

00:24:31.980 talk to anyone

00:24:32.780 or go anywhere

00:24:33.800 we went on like

00:24:36.960 like local trips

00:24:38.200 though

00:24:38.500 okay

00:24:40.360 yeah

00:24:41.020 all right

00:24:41.660 nothing

00:24:42.140 yeah

00:24:42.460 so you could

00:24:42.940 have just

00:24:43.160 been

00:24:43.380 essentially

00:24:44.520 dating an

00:24:46.520 average dude

00:24:47.120 like it was

00:24:49.540 the same exact

00:24:50.400 your lifestyle

00:24:51.320 didn't change

00:24:52.220 in any way

00:24:52.880 because you

00:24:53.260 were dating

00:24:53.520 a billionaire

00:24:53.880 maybe his

00:24:55.820 house was nice

00:24:56.520 I don't know

00:24:57.060 I was just

00:24:57.620 like getting

00:24:58.700 what I want

00:24:59.180 on request

00:24:59.640 is like so

00:25:00.200 fun

00:25:00.560 wait what

00:25:01.600 getting what

00:25:02.260 I want

00:25:02.680 on request

00:25:03.280 is so fun

00:25:04.080 like what

00:25:05.060 are some

00:25:05.280 examples of

00:25:05.880 that

00:25:06.060 yeah

00:25:06.280 I'm curious

00:25:06.900 about that

00:25:07.380 well first

00:25:07.780 of all

00:25:07.960 air hockey

00:25:08.820 did they just

00:25:11.020 carry around

00:25:12.060 an air hockey

00:25:12.620 table for you

00:25:13.500 no I was just

00:25:15.940 using that as

00:25:16.420 an example

00:25:16.840 okay

00:25:17.820 but like

00:25:18.680 I liked alcohol

00:25:19.660 at the time

00:25:20.060 I could get

00:25:20.400 that also

00:25:21.000 that's kind

00:25:21.680 of weird

00:25:21.940 that I was

00:25:22.420 18 and

00:25:23.360 this dude's

00:25:23.780 just like

00:25:24.240 giving me

00:25:25.580 as much

00:25:25.960 liquor as

00:25:26.440 I want

00:25:26.700 were you

00:25:27.000 asking for

00:25:27.780 yeah

00:25:28.320 I'm not

00:25:29.020 saying it's

00:25:29.320 super weird

00:25:29.680 I'm just

00:25:29.900 saying it's

00:25:30.140 a little bit

00:25:30.440 weird

00:25:30.660 well I

00:25:32.220 certainly

00:25:32.460 wouldn't advise

00:25:33.400 men over

00:25:34.260 21 buying

00:25:35.220 alcohol for

00:25:35.920 it is illegal

00:25:36.960 actually so it's

00:25:37.740 a little bit

00:25:38.060 weird

00:25:38.280 yes

00:25:39.180 I feel like

00:25:39.740 this doesn't

00:25:40.240 require billions

00:25:41.080 of dollars though

00:25:41.920 what are the

00:25:42.400 billion dollar

00:25:44.360 perks that you

00:25:44.980 were getting

00:25:45.180 him being a

00:25:46.060 billionaire sounds

00:25:46.740 like it was

00:25:47.140 totally secondary

00:25:48.300 like it didn't

00:25:49.480 even

00:25:49.700 it was like

00:25:50.000 1 billion it

00:25:50.640 wasn't like

00:25:51.080 a million billion

00:25:51.980 you know

00:25:52.360 that's still a lot

00:25:53.980 a lot of money

00:25:55.100 yeah it was

00:25:56.160 like it'd be

00:25:56.620 like $7,000

00:25:57.740 hotel room

00:25:58.580 or like a

00:25:59.720 Bentley and

00:26:00.320 I'm allowed to

00:26:00.920 drive it really

00:26:01.480 fast

00:26:02.060 wait so okay

00:26:02.660 you're 18

00:26:03.280 you dated a

00:26:04.240 billionaire

00:26:04.560 how do you

00:26:05.120 go from

00:26:05.520 dating a

00:26:06.220 billionaire

00:26:06.580 to dating

00:26:07.620 a broke

00:26:08.280 college guy

00:26:09.100 like there's

00:26:09.760 no going

00:26:10.260 back

00:26:10.560 I don't

00:26:11.280 think you

00:26:11.600 can go

00:26:11.940 back

00:26:12.240 so high

00:26:12.900 it's really

00:26:13.380 great for

00:26:13.880 me I

00:26:14.100 actually cut

00:26:14.620 off like

00:26:15.000 so many

00:26:15.740 people

00:26:16.100 like no

00:26:16.600 one's allowed

00:26:16.900 to be mean

00:26:17.260 to me now

00:26:17.700 wait hold

00:26:18.980 on

00:26:19.120 so after

00:26:20.460 dating the

00:26:20.940 billionaire

00:26:21.120 just so I'm

00:26:21.540 clear after

00:26:22.000 dating the

00:26:22.400 billionaire

00:26:22.720 now your

00:26:23.620 standards are

00:26:24.460 elevated to

00:26:25.560 what

00:26:26.180 it's not

00:26:27.360 really about

00:26:27.920 money

00:26:28.300 just the

00:26:29.500 treatment

00:26:29.780 but I mean

00:26:31.060 sometimes it's

00:26:31.880 about money

00:26:32.380 if it was

00:26:33.120 like

00:26:33.480 it's kind

00:26:35.500 of like

00:26:35.820 every

00:26:36.260 if you were

00:26:37.160 to think of

00:26:37.580 it entirely

00:26:38.080 transactionally

00:26:39.220 there's like

00:26:40.080 different aspects

00:26:40.800 there's attractiveness

00:26:41.620 there's like

00:26:42.860 your ability

00:26:43.300 to have sex

00:26:44.260 there's your

00:26:44.940 personality

00:26:45.500 and then there's

00:26:46.720 money you know

00:26:47.640 so it's like

00:26:48.160 you have to have

00:26:48.820 a certain number

00:26:49.440 of some of

00:26:49.980 those stats

00:26:50.340 you don't have

00:26:50.640 to have all

00:26:51.000 of them

00:26:51.340 okay

00:26:52.980 all right

00:26:54.500 well I think

00:26:55.060 it was valuable

00:26:55.440 enough that

00:26:55.980 like she gets

00:26:56.740 to say she

00:26:57.160 dated a

00:26:57.560 billionaire

00:26:57.800 that's obviously

00:26:58.440 a big thing

00:26:59.760 right for

00:27:00.220 someone

00:27:00.660 is that a

00:27:01.520 flex

00:27:01.840 not I mean

00:27:02.440 girls talk

00:27:03.280 about it all

00:27:03.620 the time

00:27:03.940 we're talking

00:27:04.260 about on this

00:27:04.620 podcast so

00:27:05.400 that's some

00:27:05.760 sort of worth

00:27:06.360 to that

00:27:06.820 I wasn't trying

00:27:07.680 to flex

00:27:08.180 you more just

00:27:08.780 asked me a

00:27:09.320 question and I

00:27:09.920 was like this

00:27:10.380 is interesting

00:27:10.960 so I answered

00:27:11.600 with that

00:27:12.060 I wasn't saying

00:27:14.820 you were trying

00:27:15.460 to flex but I

00:27:16.240 don't know if

00:27:16.560 it's a flex

00:27:17.120 like I one

00:27:18.480 time dated a

00:27:19.200 billionaire who

00:27:19.740 I no longer

00:27:20.360 see and I

00:27:20.880 also think it

00:27:21.380 was gross

00:27:21.880 that's probably

00:27:24.760 not like

00:27:25.300 no I think

00:27:26.460 that you asked

00:27:27.200 her do you

00:27:27.520 have anything

00:27:27.940 interesting that

00:27:28.960 you've done

00:27:29.640 and then she

00:27:30.380 said well I

00:27:30.820 dated a

00:27:31.100 billionaire and

00:27:31.820 then how

00:27:32.120 did you and

00:27:32.560 then how

00:27:32.920 wasn't she

00:27:33.500 goes well

00:27:33.820 looking back

00:27:34.300 it was gross

00:27:35.100 I like that

00:27:37.400 you're taught

00:27:37.900 like are you

00:27:38.420 her lawyer or

00:27:39.360 something like

00:27:39.920 are you her

00:27:40.480 advocate hello

00:27:41.740 she's invested

00:27:43.500 a lot of

00:27:43.960 time in this

00:27:44.780 that's fine

00:27:46.280 so you also

00:27:48.340 said that you

00:27:49.320 actually going

00:27:50.200 around the

00:27:50.560 table on this

00:27:51.140 really quick

00:27:51.560 who here

00:27:52.200 considers

00:27:52.660 themselves a

00:27:53.820 feminist and

00:27:54.420 we can delve

00:27:55.040 into that a

00:27:56.040 little later on

00:27:56.880 in the show but

00:27:57.340 just going around

00:27:57.780 the table who's a

00:27:58.400 feminist what

00:27:59.560 exactly does like

00:28:00.440 feminist mean like

00:28:01.820 like what exactly

00:28:03.180 is like a

00:28:03.600 feminist what

00:28:04.540 is something a

00:28:05.380 feminist would

00:28:05.960 say no it's a

00:28:07.460 genuine question

00:28:08.140 so we would

00:28:09.960 say we would

00:28:10.760 say a good

00:28:11.760 descriptor for

00:28:12.400 this might be a

00:28:14.080 push for an

00:28:14.880 egalitarian society

00:28:16.080 between men and

00:28:17.240 women where both

00:28:18.220 are seen as

00:28:18.820 equals that would

00:28:20.120 be kind of a

00:28:20.880 general state the

00:28:22.280 most generous that

00:28:23.800 I could give for a

00:28:25.420 definition of

00:28:26.080 feminism I just

00:28:27.980 think everyone

00:28:28.480 should be treated

00:28:29.160 equally so I

00:28:30.420 don't maybe I

00:28:31.360 guess okay so

00:28:32.300 that's probably

00:28:32.660 feminism okay I

00:28:34.000 guess no

00:28:36.420 no what no

00:28:39.380 she's not

00:28:39.680 I don't I

00:28:40.700 wouldn't say I

00:28:41.320 consider myself

00:28:41.820 feminism I think

00:28:42.700 my my train of

00:28:44.160 thought kind of

00:28:44.820 really ended during

00:28:45.820 the second wave and

00:28:47.000 I think that we've

00:28:47.740 kind of digressed

00:28:48.580 into something that

00:28:49.440 I can't really

00:28:50.140 comprehend I

00:28:52.020 think in a lot of

00:28:52.600 ways I think I

00:28:53.500 have a radical

00:28:54.360 sense of feminism

00:28:55.380 when it comes to

00:28:56.180 like men becoming

00:28:57.960 women and I'm

00:28:59.100 very sacred of

00:29:00.560 what I don't

00:29:01.340 believe in birthing

00:29:02.060 mothers I believe

00:29:02.980 in women being

00:29:04.820 mothers and if

00:29:05.680 you're a trans

00:29:06.620 woman you are a

00:29:07.820 trans woman you're

00:29:08.920 not a woman well

00:29:10.060 in your pre-show

00:29:10.780 notes to us you

00:29:11.820 stated you were a

00:29:13.720 radical feminist

00:29:15.020 yeah so are you

00:29:17.140 not a feminist are

00:29:18.580 you a feminist so I

00:29:20.820 think and like I

00:29:21.880 said in in terms

00:29:22.900 when I think when it

00:29:23.780 comes to sorry

00:29:26.640 sorry well kinky

00:29:27.400 sprinkler donated

00:29:28.420 two hundred dollars

00:29:29.660 my sprinkler goes

00:29:31.200 like this

00:29:31.960 I have a sprinkler

00:29:35.660 like this

00:29:36.120 comes back like

00:29:41.500 this

00:29:41.900 it's good

00:29:43.860 it's good

00:29:44.620 I have that same

00:29:45.840 sprinkler

00:29:46.360 thank you

00:29:46.720 thank you

00:29:47.200 thank you

00:29:48.000 sorry go ahead

00:29:49.340 you were saying

00:29:49.860 yeah I think in a

00:29:51.840 very traditional sense

00:29:53.040 I think I

00:29:53.640 there's a lot of

00:29:54.700 values of radical

00:29:55.360 feminism that I

00:29:56.040 agree with

00:29:56.580 that that is a

00:29:57.680 line with

00:29:58.600 I don't agree

00:30:02.000 with I'm probably

00:30:03.300 probably call me a

00:30:04.000 turf totally fine

00:30:05.020 with that

00:30:05.440 only fans I'm

00:30:07.000 very in sex work

00:30:09.080 I'm not comfortable

00:30:09.900 by so yeah and

00:30:12.360 in those ways yeah

00:30:13.360 definitely radical

00:30:14.180 feminism but in

00:30:15.340 the way feminism is

00:30:16.040 described nowadays I'm

00:30:17.040 not I can't appeal to

00:30:18.920 it no

00:30:19.260 well what is the way

00:30:21.000 it's described in

00:30:22.000 modernity that you

00:30:23.520 are so resistant to

00:30:24.920 man I think I think a

00:30:28.280 lot of femininity is

00:30:29.640 lost in modern day

00:30:31.060 feminism I think

00:30:33.340 there's a push for

00:30:35.580 it was there was a

00:30:37.520 push in in the second

00:30:38.660 wave for for equality

00:30:40.120 that women should be

00:30:41.100 able to work if they

00:30:41.940 wanted to they should

00:30:42.840 put an own house and

00:30:44.180 have their own credit

00:30:45.120 card if they wanted to

00:30:46.400 what we have now is

00:30:48.300 that women are are

00:30:49.780 kind of expected

00:30:50.640 almost behave like

00:30:51.800 men and that's just

00:30:53.240 where I just don't

00:30:53.980 feel comfortable

00:30:54.740 because if the reality

00:30:55.700 is that women we

00:30:56.600 will never be like

00:30:57.540 men and and we

00:30:59.020 should never aspire to

00:31:00.320 be like men and I

00:31:02.200 think that's kind of

00:31:02.820 where everything's being

00:31:03.520 pushed with feminism

00:31:04.500 we're not equals there

00:31:06.120 are in ways that men

00:31:07.060 are better and there

00:31:07.720 are ways in which

00:31:08.320 women are better and

00:31:09.420 there's nothing wrong

00:31:10.500 with that there's

00:31:11.580 so so if I were to

00:31:12.980 ask you about policy

00:31:14.320 and say well what kind

00:31:15.600 of policies are you

00:31:16.540 talking about that

00:31:18.080 you're actually

00:31:18.580 resistant to because

00:31:19.700 it sounds like what

00:31:20.380 you're talking about

00:31:21.200 are the effects of

00:31:22.580 already pre-existing

00:31:23.780 feminist policy which

00:31:25.340 has led to this

00:31:26.080 current state so if

00:31:27.400 that's true then

00:31:29.020 wouldn't you be

00:31:29.880 resistant to the

00:31:30.780 first and second wave

00:31:31.680 feminism which led

00:31:32.960 through policy to the

00:31:34.100 current state that you

00:31:34.880 now resist that's a

00:31:35.920 really good question I

00:31:37.020 totally it's a very

00:31:38.380 good point I mean how

00:31:39.920 did you how did we get

00:31:40.860 here if it weren't for

00:31:41.680 the first and second

00:31:42.460 wave you know we can

00:31:44.060 always argue that the

00:31:45.600 sexual evolution

00:31:46.400 completely so sorry

00:31:49.280 you're fine I think

00:31:50.220 that you can totally

00:31:51.020 argue that a sexual

00:31:51.740 evolution completely

00:31:52.820 dismantled like what

00:31:54.020 it is to be a woman

00:31:55.000 and it radicalized a

00:31:57.040 lot of things for us

00:31:58.180 so it's such it's such

00:32:00.700 a good question I

00:32:01.700 really I you can

00:32:02.960 what's the answer I

00:32:04.600 don't know I don't

00:32:05.840 know you don't know

00:32:06.460 what the answer is so

00:32:07.280 you don't you don't

00:32:08.440 think that the thing

00:32:09.280 that you're the most

00:32:09.880 resistant to right now

00:32:11.400 which clearly led from

00:32:13.060 the policies that you

00:32:14.580 just got done saying

00:32:15.600 you supported isn't a

00:32:17.260 thing which now you

00:32:18.160 should maybe push back

00:32:19.180 against and say well

00:32:20.220 those policies clearly

00:32:21.820 led to outcomes that I

00:32:22.920 don't like yeah you're

00:32:25.300 completely right it's

00:32:26.360 one of those situations

00:32:27.380 where you look at you

00:32:28.340 go the first and second

00:32:29.300 wave you're so

00:32:30.140 passionate about how

00:32:31.820 did it how did it come

00:32:34.460 how did it get here

00:32:35.540 that's that's all that I

00:32:37.160 can really think about

00:32:38.040 and I don't know all the

00:32:39.840 answers I don't but I

00:32:41.180 I'm completely aware of

00:32:42.900 of where it's led us

00:32:44.040 can we call you maybe a

00:32:45.480 feminist in recovery

00:32:46.460 um I think some people

00:32:49.000 have joked that I am yes

00:32:50.300 yeah well good for you

00:32:52.220 at least you're thinking

00:32:53.100 about the fact that being

00:32:54.780 a feminist in modernity

00:32:56.180 uh must be or the the

00:32:58.780 things that you have an

00:32:59.460 issue with must have come

00:33:00.340 from the policies

00:33:01.160 previously so I'm glad to

00:33:02.840 see that you're in your

00:33:04.280 mind at least pushing back

00:33:05.700 against that yeah

00:33:06.760 one thousand percent

00:33:07.760 okay uh so going around

00:33:09.640 the table just are you a

00:33:10.820 feminist oh no I want

00:33:12.140 to be a housewife okay

00:33:13.660 uh yes yes feminist

00:33:16.960 okay no I feel like men

00:33:19.340 should provide men should

00:33:21.040 provide okay I'm um right

00:33:23.980 in the middle I grew up

00:33:25.220 with a mom that was a

00:33:26.120 welder and I also grew up

00:33:28.320 just completely being

00:33:29.560 independent but I as well

00:33:30.460 think that there is

00:33:32.300 certain things like you

00:33:33.120 said that men are better

00:33:33.900 at and perhaps are best

00:33:35.880 fit for but at the end

00:33:37.180 of the day I think instead

00:33:38.420 of choosing quality of men

00:33:40.000 and women I think it's

00:33:40.820 equality of humans and

00:33:42.640 that's what I see I don't

00:33:43.800 think that it's necessarily

00:33:44.700 that one man is better

00:33:46.260 than the woman nor should

00:33:47.880 solely men provide I think

00:33:49.680 just humans should provide

00:33:50.800 for themselves and if it's

00:33:51.740 in a relationship or any

00:33:52.660 other dynamics so be it

00:33:54.280 but I think we need to

00:33:55.460 think of everything as

00:33:56.420 humans especially with all

00:33:58.340 the transitions well how

00:33:59.520 many uh I'm sorry I didn't

00:34:00.760 mean to cut you off go

00:34:01.520 oh go ahead oh I just said

00:34:05.060 just including all the

00:34:05.940 transitions that are that

00:34:06.900 are being made especially

00:34:07.700 with sexuality and sexual

00:34:09.740 identification I think at the

00:34:11.480 end of the day we're all

00:34:12.500 human beings and with that

00:34:13.880 being said equality is the

00:34:16.160 goal at the end of the day

00:34:17.000 we all want to go somewhere

00:34:18.520 we all want to be somewhere

00:34:19.280 if it's heaven or hell

00:34:19.940 whatever it may be

00:34:21.280 equality yeah when you say

00:34:23.920 that we're all humans I

00:34:25.600 mean that's obviously true

00:34:27.260 that we're all human beings

00:34:28.600 but wouldn't you say that

00:34:29.980 human beings still are

00:34:31.060 broken into categories for

00:34:32.500 a reason like female is a

00:34:34.560 category male is a category

00:34:36.300 and those categories are

00:34:37.840 necessary for us to even

00:34:39.120 have conversations where we

00:34:41.320 can break down what the

00:34:42.200 human experience and the

00:34:43.360 ontological nature of

00:34:44.380 humanity is right

00:34:45.400 absolutely I think we

00:34:47.080 obviously are in those

00:34:48.060 categories for that set net

00:34:49.580 reason of either providing

00:34:51.700 more children providing

00:34:53.700 something of sorts for men

00:34:55.560 it's more so that seed and

00:34:57.680 all that such I think at

00:34:59.220 the end of the day the way

00:35:00.280 that I look at things is

00:35:01.540 because of because of the

00:35:04.540 advantages and the changes

00:35:05.800 that we've made in present

00:35:07.740 day that regardless of

00:35:10.380 having a partner or not or

00:35:11.900 having a relationship or

00:35:13.040 family to even depend on

00:35:14.400 one should still be

00:35:15.280 independent of themselves

00:35:16.020 and be able to rely on

00:35:17.260 themselves and try to

00:35:19.560 prosper as best as they

00:35:20.320 possibly can I don't think

00:35:21.260 it's necessarily men over

00:35:22.900 women woman over men none of

00:35:24.360 that crap I think it's

00:35:25.440 really just yeah but

00:35:26.780 insecurity but if human

00:35:27.900 humanity is broken and

00:35:29.320 down into these categories

00:35:30.480 like male and female which

00:35:32.180 it clearly is the reason

00:35:34.820 that they're broken down is

00:35:35.720 because there's a different

00:35:36.540 nature to both of those

00:35:37.840 there's a different nature to

00:35:38.960 to males than there are to

00:35:41.020 females right they're not

00:35:42.200 interchangeable widgets you

00:35:43.780 would agree that that's

00:35:44.540 true wouldn't you

00:35:45.200 completely yeah so if

00:35:47.100 they're if they're not then

00:35:48.180 when we have these

00:35:48.820 conversations just kind of

00:35:50.360 saying something like well

00:35:52.240 at the end of the day we're

00:35:53.380 all human beings doesn't

00:35:54.380 really mean anything because

00:35:55.760 we really have to narrow in

00:35:57.680 on what these different

00:35:58.500 categories are so that we

00:35:59.800 can have a discussion about

00:36:00.640 what their preferences are

00:36:01.760 and how they relate to each

00:36:03.200 other I mean do you agree

00:36:08.760 with that I do agree I'm

00:36:10.420 just simply stating my

00:36:11.840 position just what I've seen

00:36:13.540 and what I've grown up with

00:36:14.460 and that's all it really was

00:36:15.360 it wasn't necessarily coming

00:36:16.500 down to that cross of we are

00:36:17.860 human beings I'm just

00:36:18.580 stating the obvious and I'm

00:36:19.640 also stating that I fall

00:36:20.940 along both lines okay Jeff

00:36:24.200 what about you are you a

00:36:25.220 feminist no not at all I

00:36:27.980 love women a lot very pro

00:36:29.980 women a group in a house

00:36:30.860 full of women I've got

00:36:31.660 three sisters a mom I'm a

00:36:32.880 very pro woman okay anti

00:36:35.620 feminist ideologies a lot of

00:36:38.720 rage in there a lot of

00:36:40.220 revenge pursuit a lot of

00:36:42.760 simple ideas like kind of

00:36:44.520 what he said like at the end

00:36:45.580 of the day we're all people

00:36:46.180 which is beautiful and that's

00:36:47.560 all you meant this is what

00:36:48.620 you meant oh we got a

00:36:49.840 somebody motorsports donated

00:36:51.520 hey grid one thank you

00:36:52.620 man good to see you we are

00:36:53.840 at a point men pretending to

00:36:55.440 be women are voted better

00:36:56.700 women than real women and

00:36:58.320 feminists cheer them on

00:36:59.900 feminism has failed you how

00:37:02.240 can the patriarchy help you

00:37:03.700 today wow isn't it kind of

00:37:06.720 dope for the patriarchy though

00:37:08.700 that men are better at being

00:37:11.620 women than women well right

00:37:14.140 that's like men are women of

00:37:18.040 the year yeah definitely in

00:37:20.260 sports that's all we got

00:37:21.660 yeah destroying you guys in

00:37:23.600 women's sports bigger than you

00:37:25.060 that's it it's unfair I think I

00:37:26.880 might even be able to become an

00:37:28.080 Olympic gold medalist if I start

00:37:29.980 yeah you'd be cheating and you

00:37:31.700 would be woman of the year and

00:37:33.180 you'd be cheered on and bud light

00:37:34.640 would love you what I was saying

00:37:35.820 though is that sign me up get me

00:37:38.120 my sponsorship I actually did a

00:37:39.760 sponsorship with Budweiser like

00:37:41.280 10 years ago you were

00:37:42.800 transitioning in a minute or it's

00:37:44.920 been a minute rather well I was

00:37:46.820 just I don't think people words

00:37:49.340 don't matter anymore which is

00:37:51.200 very flustering to me so someone

00:37:53.200 will say like I'm a radical

00:37:55.040 feminist but I think this and you

00:37:57.280 go well then you're not the thing

00:37:58.560 you're using a thing that you

00:38:00.760 aren't and so people say oh well

00:38:02.600 I'm a Muslim but don't pretend

00:38:03.920 like you know what Muslims are

00:38:05.500 here's the here's what I am when I

00:38:07.620 say I'm a Muslim it's like what

00:38:08.840 they have a book and you're not

00:38:10.320 subscribing to the things that

00:38:11.580 are in the book that make us

00:38:12.640 believe a thing is what it's

00:38:13.700 labeled so I think a lot of this

00:38:15.540 happens where it's like I'm very

00:38:16.860 pro women and I love them and I

00:38:18.440 want them to be protected and I

00:38:20.020 want them to be hurt and I want

00:38:21.440 them to be treated good by

00:38:22.860 everyone and not hassled but I

00:38:24.800 also don't think men are pieces of

00:38:27.280 trash for you know walking down the

00:38:30.260 same side of the street as them

00:38:32.360 like late in New York or something

00:38:33.740 like making them nervous like I

00:38:34.860 there's just so many things that

00:38:36.380 think we lost sight of like what we

00:38:38.280 call things there's a lot of

00:38:39.720 victim mentality it's annoying

00:38:41.100 just just just be the thing you

00:38:43.600 say you are and don't if you're

00:38:45.020 not yeah yeah but I do I totally

00:38:47.980 understand I totally agree 100% I

00:38:49.800 think that um we are kind of in a

00:38:51.400 time now where there's a label for

00:38:53.220 everything so there people are very

00:38:55.660 quick to say it's it's hard to have

00:38:57.960 nuanced opinions because they don't

00:39:00.180 have any label so when you do say

00:39:02.480 like for example like I said like I

00:39:04.480 have a lot of radical feminism

00:39:06.160 beliefs especially with like we were

00:39:08.380 discussing with modern femininity

00:39:09.940 like 100% I do but then it's like

00:39:12.720 well what category is that it's like

00:39:14.460 you can be it's how do you how do

00:39:16.320 you characterize nuanced opinions

00:39:17.840 we're trying to figure things out

00:39:19.340 nuance is a category right can you

00:39:24.060 say that again sorry you would say

00:39:25.520 nuance is a category wouldn't you

00:39:27.160 1000% I wish there was how you would

00:39:30.240 categorize a nuanced opinion as being

00:39:32.140 nuanced so if you're actually saying

00:39:34.440 that you have a nuanced opinion you

00:39:36.500 should tell us what the nuance is in

00:39:38.120 the opinion and then we could agree

00:39:39.580 with it or disagree with it I think

00:39:41.160 that's I think that's exactly what I

00:39:42.420 did go ahead I think that like we get

00:39:44.700 like so sorry we get so caught up with

00:39:47.600 like this one person and what they're

00:39:50.200 doing to this specific thing it's like

00:39:52.480 I really don't care about women's

00:39:55.500 sports that much I don't care at all

00:39:57.700 and if that makes them happy that makes

00:39:58.920 them happy if people want to say

00:40:00.720 different words than I say that's fine

00:40:03.020 if I hate the words they say I can

00:40:04.660 just not hang out with them wait so

00:40:07.080 hold on hold on hold on what about

00:40:10.700 women's you said you don't care about

00:40:12.420 women's sports yeah so I don't care if

00:40:14.160 there's trans people in women's sports

00:40:15.660 if they're happy I don't care so you

00:40:17.520 don't you don't care about the

00:40:19.340 biological females and women that

00:40:22.060 they're competing against if they care

00:40:25.120 that's cool for them and they can

00:40:26.380 advocate for themselves they do like I'm

00:40:28.000 just like I don't need to be part of

00:40:29.840 any of that conversation and I think a

00:40:31.620 lot of people hold on just a sec but

00:40:34.500 we'll let you the feminist in the back

00:40:36.460 a side effect of feminism is genital

00:40:38.960 warts you could put a mirror up to your

00:40:41.560 snatch on a Monday and count seven

00:40:43.600 warts Tuesday 12 Thursday every show

00:40:47.380 Jay Butler 23 Saturday so I just just

00:40:51.720 some context some context for you guys

00:40:54.520 Jay Butler every single show he's a he's

00:40:56.780 a urologist in in Nevada Las Vegas so he

00:41:01.440 sees a lot of pain and he every show he

00:41:06.260 sends a chat about herpes I love that

00:41:09.000 that's his that's his stick that's his

00:41:12.120 thing guys if you're in if you're in a

00:41:14.120 what's the county called it's not it's a

00:41:17.700 in Vegas what's it called what's the

00:41:20.980 county called it's shit anybody in the

00:41:25.240 chat what's the county for Vegas chat

00:41:27.380 please anybody please it's Clark

00:41:31.380 Clark County I think is it Clark County

00:41:33.200 or is it I'm trying to think of it

00:41:34.840 Clark yeah Clark County if you're in

00:41:36.680 Clark County Jay Butler just search

00:41:38.980 urologist Jay Butler imagine if that's

00:41:43.780 actually his okay okay cool thank you

00:41:48.000 but things things exist outside of your

00:41:50.460 interest just because you don't care

00:41:51.800 about female sports Henderson was it

00:41:53.760 go ahead go ahead with your point um I

00:41:57.580 do agree with what were you saying

00:42:00.020 earlier you were saying yeah there's not

00:42:01.240 there's labels aren't specific enough

00:42:03.020 labels aren't helpful yeah so I pretty

00:42:05.540 much when he's calling me a feminist

00:42:06.980 that's a really broad thing yeah okay

00:42:15.640 word word yeah but but that's why we're

00:42:19.040 asking is a series of inquiries so that we

00:42:21.760 can narrow down right the thing so we

00:42:23.880 can figure out what you believe so we

00:42:25.820 don't straw man what you believe right

00:42:27.620 categories are important responding the

00:42:30.300 chat yeah word okay um well so the reason I

00:42:36.780 went around the table on this is because

00:42:38.640 uh so you consider yourself a feminist

00:42:41.580 correct so you said that you don't think

00:42:47.140 women should work now I'd like you to

00:42:50.360 perhaps go into that why you think that

00:42:52.200 what do you mean by that but it on the

00:42:54.820 surface it strikes me as something that's

00:42:56.920 a bit antithetical to the aims and goals of

00:43:01.120 feminism so do you care to elaborate on

00:43:03.800 you thinking women should not work I that's a

00:43:09.460 little bit yeah that's also like not very

00:43:11.080 nuanced it's more like um women should

00:43:14.420 obviously be able to work but I don't think

00:43:16.620 they should have to um I don't think it's

00:43:20.100 like I just think I think it's on a

00:43:22.180 personal level I think that I shouldn't

00:43:23.760 have to work and I don't want to work

00:43:25.160 but um what um the camera guy was saying

00:43:29.040 about um I'm sorry um what the camera guy

00:43:33.240 was saying about um the definition like I

00:43:35.800 believe in that definition but that doesn't

00:43:38.120 mean that I don't think that like

00:43:39.640 traditional values are bad I just think

00:43:42.440 everyone should be able to choose you know

00:43:44.040 and feminism is being able to choose to do

00:43:46.120 that so feminism is the being able to have

00:43:49.680 the choice of as a woman being able to work

00:43:54.100 but also not like well that's men don't you

00:44:00.080 do realize men don't have that choice like

00:44:03.040 men don't have the option of like the fall

00:44:06.540 back of okay I'm just gonna find a wealthy

00:44:09.080 woman to take care of me right and they

00:44:11.240 shouldn't they're providers they could men

00:44:12.980 are providers do you think like a radical

00:44:15.320 feminist over here well then what do we

00:44:18.180 get for all the providers insane you

00:44:20.740 don't know what's so insane huh because

00:44:24.380 we're talking about feminism yeah and then

00:44:26.500 you guys are saying things that aren't

00:44:27.920 feminist at all so that's just puzzling is

00:44:30.480 well I already explained why what of my

00:44:33.760 beliefs would be categorized as radical

00:44:35.340 feminism we already went through that I

00:44:37.120 don't know if you were present I think

00:44:39.220 you're waiting for your next like comedian

00:44:40.780 joke to no no I haven't been trying to be

00:44:42.760 funny at all I've been talking to you like

00:44:44.320 grown-ups no yeah I know you're 80 and I'm

00:44:47.340 like trying to like talk to you okay well

00:44:48.980 that's I mean that's a bit insulting to

00:44:50.860 no no excuse me he's 40 yeah I'm 40 40 your

00:44:55.640 experience like we've I went through it

00:44:58.640 with radical feminism like what don't want

00:45:00.840 us to use your stupidity against you is

00:45:03.060 that what you're saying no I don't yeah well

00:45:06.180 I mean that's actually the position the

00:45:07.740 position would be if you're calling him

00:45:09.620 old and experienced you're saying that

00:45:11.340 he's just too smart for you and you can't

00:45:13.520 hold a conversation that's what you're

00:45:15.180 actually trying to say yes let's I didn't

00:45:18.800 feel like I was being insulting I was just

00:45:20.220 talking I don't think you were being

00:45:21.720 insulting either oh you don't feel like

00:45:24.520 you were insulted or you don't feel like I

00:45:26.400 was being insulting and I don't think I

00:45:28.500 don't think you're being and I'm curious

00:45:30.540 what you think just I know you guys are

00:45:34.860 loving each other I see it I do find

00:45:38.260 Brian to be great but I was saying that

00:45:39.900 I'm going to ask you questions on the

00:45:41.440 things you guys ask that's that's all I

00:45:43.320 don't want you to think I'm attacking you

00:45:45.360 yeah but you're like 80 yeah I know I

00:45:48.600 guess my age just came into it already

00:45:50.580 has social security kicked in by using your own

00:45:53.380 worldview against him that would be insane

00:45:55.020 but that's not fair to like to it's a

00:46:01.320 little mean references I don't see how

00:46:04.380 his age is kind of relevant here and he

00:46:07.760 looks like he's early 30s doing pretty

00:46:10.580 good for 40s LA LA he hasn't had any

00:46:14.300 girlfriends it's no kids what's kept you

00:46:17.020 young kids are the put like one of the

00:46:18.440 greatest things in the world but they do

00:46:19.560 age you like a president my friend just

00:46:21.560 had a kid and he looks like shit it's

00:46:22.880 only been two years and I was like what

00:46:24.060 happened he goes kids don't let me sleep

00:46:25.860 there you go but uh no but besides the

00:46:28.360 way I look or me being old I was just

00:46:30.800 suggesting that he went around and said

00:46:32.680 who's a feminist and who's not and he's

00:46:34.000 asking follow-up questions about

00:46:35.020 feminism and I'm not hearing anything

00:46:36.740 that's feminist in fact wildly

00:46:38.360 conservative values so my mind I said

00:46:40.340 this is insane because what I'm hearing

00:46:42.780 doesn't fit into a category of what we're

00:46:44.240 talking is all I'm saying well we just

00:46:45.480 said we didn't get into where I would

00:46:47.180 think that feminine like radical

00:46:49.100 feminism would be like included in

00:46:50.580 conversation we could totally go down

00:46:51.900 that route but you're the moderator

00:46:53.500 well I'm more curious in getting a

00:46:55.520 better understanding of I don't think

00:46:57.620 women should work you were talking

00:47:00.160 about how women have a fallback all the

00:47:02.240 time but men don't have a fallback

00:47:03.660 they're forced to work women kind of

00:47:06.420 need a fallback like because I mean

00:47:09.360 that's like why I think women should be

00:47:10.840 able to work but why I think they like

00:47:12.560 shouldn't have to is because like if

00:47:14.640 you're a woman and you're if you're

00:47:15.980 married to someone even if you're

00:47:17.100 married forever if that person hits you

00:47:19.640 one day and they're providing for you

00:47:21.660 and then you have to get away from

00:47:24.320 them you don't have that providing

00:47:25.540 anymore you need to get away and now

00:47:27.120 what do you have nothing well when you

00:47:28.960 say that women shouldn't have to work

00:47:31.480 right you would agree that right now

00:47:33.640 women don't have to work right yeah

00:47:37.640 you do you agree with that yes yes you

00:47:45.080 agree that women right now shouldn't or

00:47:46.980 don't have to work so what you're really

00:47:49.240 doing is putting in the mandate that you

00:47:50.620 would prefer that they have the option

00:47:52.440 to work yes okay gotcha I just wanted to

00:47:56.100 clarify this so your position is that

00:47:58.660 your preference is that if women want to

00:48:00.900 work they should be able to like I would

00:48:03.900 say like for my own lifestyle like I

00:48:05.840 would prefer something like what

00:48:07.660 you're talking about but I don't think

00:48:10.220 that everyone else should be forced to

00:48:12.080 do what I want to do I would prefer to

00:48:15.060 just do whatever I want all the time and

00:48:17.360 have another grown-up pay for all my

00:48:18.800 things you get we would all love that

00:48:20.440 yes that's insane because like that's

00:48:23.200 not real I mean some people have that

00:48:25.260 luxury but it's pretty tough I think so

00:48:29.300 so well here's the follow-up is do you

00:48:32.080 think anyone should have to work or just

00:48:35.720 that women shouldn't have to work I

00:48:38.240 don't think I mean ideally like something

00:48:40.160 like the way that we're working like

00:48:45.480 everyone's working like a five-hour work

00:48:47.660 week and we've been doing that for so

00:48:49.600 long even though the development of

00:48:51.180 technology has made it so that the same

00:48:53.940 amount of work that was done in a week

00:48:56.480 like 200 years ago can now be done by

00:48:59.620 like that with a robot so we should all

00:49:01.880 be hanging out but it doesn't work like

00:49:04.320 that so I should get to hang out that

00:49:07.280 doesn't really answer the question

00:49:09.380 that's your preference for what like

00:49:11.200 your utopian society would be but what

00:49:13.660 I'm asking is should anybody have to

00:49:16.620 work or should only women not have to

00:49:18.860 work

00:49:19.160 well someone has to work

00:49:22.480 yeah as long as it's someone else yeah

00:49:26.260 exactly right yeah that makes sense did

00:49:29.840 you have anything more on that Andrew

00:49:32.040 or yeah so just to I mean just kind of

00:49:34.740 push in a little bit you realize that

00:49:36.820 basically what you're advocating for

00:49:38.760 there is complete and total selfishness

00:49:40.900 right

00:49:41.160 yeah yeah okay oh she's honest yeah she's

00:49:47.900 honest I mean I can't I can't take it

00:49:49.440 anywhere from there

00:49:50.240 yes I'm selfish okay I can at least deal

00:49:53.600 with that all right she's honest that's

00:49:55.960 good I mean for some for instance my

00:49:57.220 brother um he was telling me he is like

00:49:59.960 very very smart he is like he has a

00:50:02.660 really successful career he's getting

00:50:04.240 internships he's a data scientist um he

00:50:07.220 was like I never want my wife to work

00:50:09.680 like that feels wrong to me like I would

00:50:11.500 never do that to her

00:50:12.500 okay you know so it's like never do that

00:50:15.920 if anyone's mad at me for not working

00:50:17.420 they just don't have to date me

00:50:18.820 but also I do I'm kind of passionate

00:50:21.840 about what I do so I'll probably end up

00:50:23.260 working if I like it

00:50:24.200 okay it's just not really a feminist

00:50:28.140 position and feminism typically espouses

00:50:31.720 gender equality

00:50:32.840 so it's not a particularly strong feminist

00:50:36.780 position to demand equality in the

00:50:40.560 broader

00:50:40.860 it's actually like kind of conservative

00:50:43.000 yeah like it's trad con it's super

00:50:45.400 traditional like I want to be a stay at

00:50:47.580 home stay at home not have to work and

00:50:49.860 have a provider male I want that for me

00:50:52.780 but that's that doesn't have to be

00:50:54.140 everyone I think that everyone should

00:50:55.500 get to choose their life well yeah

00:50:58.040 sure I mean everyone should choose

00:51:02.020 their life I just the sentence like

00:51:03.620 women shouldn't have to work makes it

00:51:05.100 sound like you're talking about women

00:51:06.240 and not just you

00:51:07.040 they shouldn't have to oh they can if

00:51:09.800 they want so wait women shouldn't have

00:51:13.780 to work so how let's say a woman

00:51:16.560 chooses to also not date get involved

00:51:20.880 romantically with a man then she has to

00:51:23.600 work then she has to work that's on her

00:51:25.960 all right like I don't know what's more

00:51:29.680 feminist than everyone like people should

00:51:33.000 be able to have all their rights to have

00:51:35.300 the right to do what they want to do you

00:51:37.540 know but like you can be equal and not be

00:51:40.440 the same you know but it occurs to me

00:51:44.400 that one aside from feminists feminists

00:51:47.160 wanting to secure women's rights in the

00:51:50.180 form of actual legal rights which they

00:51:52.620 have and there's total equality on that

00:51:54.660 front perhaps with you except well okay

00:51:57.900 we can know we can get into that but I

00:51:59.620 mean the only right that I can well okay

00:52:01.440 actually before I make my statement so I

00:52:03.940 was talking like women have equal rights

00:52:07.640 under law you said you disagree how do

00:52:10.020 you disagree no I oh yeah you said not

00:52:13.080 really yeah first of all abortion

00:52:15.240 obviously um anything else I can I'm

00:52:19.320 gonna respond to the abortion thing but

00:52:20.760 anything else yeah men can have abortions

00:52:22.860 right I was about to say men don't have

00:52:25.240 any reproductive rights at all so

00:52:26.720 actually you can make the argument that

00:52:28.520 if we were to you have hold on hold on

00:52:30.980 if we were to just actually completely

00:52:33.040 outlaw abortion like bear in mind Roe v

00:52:36.420 Wade just kicked it back to the states so

00:52:38.640 you can still get an abortion in

00:52:39.700 California if you're so inclined if we

00:52:41.780 were to just nationally total outright

00:52:43.860 ban of abortion that would actually be

00:52:46.360 equal equality between men and women so

00:52:48.560 it's not clear to me now we that I'm not

00:52:51.080 making a statement about abortion I'm

00:52:53.600 just saying when it comes to comparisons

00:52:55.740 comparison of rights men have no

00:52:58.480 reproductive rights ergo it's not an

00:53:01.060 inequality between the genders that women

00:53:04.140 perhaps are starting to lose some of

00:53:06.560 their reproductive rights oh I would

00:53:08.420 love to talk about that um well men

00:53:10.480 well men can't get abortion so I mean

00:53:12.720 they can't um you have complete bodily

00:53:16.320 autonomy like but it's not it's not okay

00:53:19.300 but it's not an evidence of a women

00:53:23.180 losing abortion rights is not an evidence

00:53:25.780 is not evidence of excuse me something's

00:53:27.900 in my eye of inequality and you also have

00:53:31.800 bodily autonomy I mean the argument is over

00:53:34.140 the body of another being who's not you

00:53:36.200 I mean it's not really inequality because

00:53:38.140 you go a business jack 2023 donated

00:53:42.220 two hundred dollars maybe Velf should

00:53:44.960 talk about cheating on all her boyfriends

00:53:47.360 also her tiktok says she was a sex

00:53:50.240 worker that's my ex-boyfriend business

00:53:52.520 jack that's my are you guys on good

00:53:54.220 terms sounds not hell no hi john

00:53:58.240 oh business jack's a fake name

00:54:02.400 that's what's the audio set to nick

00:54:05.400 oh it's good um and I was totally is

00:54:09.500 that true do you do you care to I mean

00:54:11.720 we won't which part I'll totally I'm

00:54:13.400 such an open book well just yes or no

00:54:14.900 were you were you are you a s worker

00:54:17.080 and then I when I yes okay not presently

00:54:21.360 not presently and then he when I was

00:54:23.520 younger yes allegedly that you've cheated

00:54:25.560 on all your ex-boyfriends I'm not

00:54:27.140 sharing all my boyfriends now okay um

00:54:29.640 you wanted to come in and then we'll

00:54:30.820 come back to you go ahead hang on if

00:54:32.580 you don't mind uh you said not all

00:54:35.000 right that I thought that that was an

00:54:37.340 interesting disclaimer does that mean

00:54:38.720 most no okay no all right go ahead

00:54:43.180 well basically my point was is that you

00:54:45.160 were saying that it's not an any or it's

00:54:47.680 not um like basically you guys can't get

00:54:50.620 abortions right so it's like that isn't

00:54:54.300 like equality but it's also like why is

00:54:57.060 someone else in charge of what I'm doing

00:54:58.860 with my body I'm like an individual

00:55:01.020 person like why do I have to listen to

00:55:03.260 what you're saying about what I want to

00:55:04.700 do for myself well I'm not sure so I mean

00:55:07.340 I'm not not like you exactly right right I

00:55:09.580 mean I'm not particularly inclined at

00:55:12.060 least at this moment to get into an

00:55:13.500 abortion debate but we don't have to but

00:55:15.660 the point the point I was trying to make

00:55:17.500 was she I said the statement that under

00:55:19.740 law men are women right men and women

00:55:21.420 are equal and she said well what about

00:55:23.660 abortion rights right but I don't think

00:55:25.660 that again it's not evidence of inequality

00:55:29.340 between men and women because men don't

00:55:32.060 have any corresponding reproductive rights

00:55:34.380 right so if men had the option of for

00:55:37.100 for example if men could and I assume most

00:55:40.620 women would not be willing to make that

00:55:42.860 trade of well if we just completely

00:55:47.580 green light abortion like you can it's

00:55:50.060 just totally legalized but men can also

00:55:53.500 opt to have you abort the baby I'm

00:55:56.380 assuming most women would not make that

00:55:57.980 trade I mean yeah obviously because

00:56:00.300 okay so there's in any case so did you

00:56:02.540 want to tell us the other ways in which

00:56:05.740 well like if you I'm having trouble

00:56:07.660 thinking a lot of reasons right now but

00:56:09.340 if you like you said you had other

00:56:10.620 reasons I forgot that you said legal um

00:56:13.820 most of it's not most of it's not legal

00:56:15.820 or it's the failure to protect those

00:56:18.140 laws that's most of what it is and I'd

00:56:20.300 consider that legal but also if you look

00:56:21.900 at a broader scale like everywhere else

00:56:24.060 in the world there's so many examples

00:56:26.620 that I can go through if you want but I

00:56:28.300 mean I'm not I don't know the political

00:56:30.300 happenings of Ethiopia at this exact

00:56:33.980 moment I'm talking chiefly I think when

00:56:37.020 I'm talking about feminism I'm talking

00:56:38.860 about western countries so I don't I don't

00:56:42.060 know I'm not really privy to the going

00:56:44.860 ons of um I don't know some small

00:56:49.740 population country in Africa for example

00:56:52.380 um but I can talk about broadly

00:56:55.100 speaking western countries

00:56:58.620 like I said most of it is just failure

00:57:01.020 to uphold the law and then I can give

00:57:02.780 you reasons um such as like can you

00:57:05.420 speak into the mic please sorry like

00:57:07.420 healthcare um there's statistics about

00:57:09.900 um women being treated wrongly or like

00:57:14.300 not getting the kind of treatment they

00:57:15.820 they need um more so than men stuff like

00:57:19.900 that isn't it the case that women

00:57:21.180 actually use healthcare more my

00:57:25.580 understanding is women are much more

00:57:26.860 likely to go to the doctor do

00:57:28.780 preventative testings and screenings

00:57:31.660 yeah women live longer by men by at

00:57:33.500 least five years well that's irrelevant

00:57:35.260 that's but you you said women get

00:57:37.900 treat what evidence do you have that

00:57:39.180 women get treated I forgot your exact

00:57:41.740 words to get treated worse in a

00:57:43.900 healthcare setting sorry hold on grid

00:57:46.380 one motorsports donated two hundred

00:57:48.780 dollars men do not have the autonomy

00:57:51.900 but women do men have been conscripted

00:57:54.540 into military service and lost limbs and

00:57:56.860 there's a very good point men also can

00:57:59.020 go to press song for no payment of

00:58:00.780 shield support yeah stop the cap yeah

00:58:03.100 that's a that last war is a big one

00:58:05.500 the war is very good one men men all men

00:58:08.060 in this country don't have bodily

00:58:09.260 autonomy because every single man in

00:58:10.700 this country has to register

00:58:12.940 for the selective service correct when it

00:58:14.860 comes to the last one we have totally

00:58:16.700 done away with debtors prisons with the

00:58:19.340 sole exception of child support

00:58:21.340 payments you can go to prison for that

00:58:23.340 if you don't pay but we've done we've

00:58:25.500 we've acknowledged and recognized that

00:58:27.580 debtors debtors prisons are unjust and

00:58:30.700 immoral and unethical yet in this sole

00:58:33.260 thing and 90 something like 90 plus

00:58:36.140 percent of child support payments are

00:58:38.220 from men to women so that's uh that's

00:58:40.780 obviously a gendered gendered issue but

00:58:43.660 sorry you were going to go ahead thank

00:58:44.860 you grid one by the way yeah i don't

00:58:48.380 believe in war or prison either you don't

00:58:51.260 need to you don't believe in prison what

00:58:54.780 do you mean you don't believe in prison i

00:58:55.820 think i mean prison as prison is in the

00:58:58.540 u.s but um yeah i think that everyone

00:59:02.140 should be rehabilitated and not

00:59:04.140 necessarily released into the public but

00:59:05.980 everyone should be rehabilitated well if

00:59:08.300 you don't release them into the public

00:59:09.900 where would they be in a rehabilitation

00:59:12.540 center so prisons would that would

00:59:14.780 there be bars in that rehabilitation

00:59:16.620 center which they spent most of their

00:59:17.980 time behind i haven't like worked out

00:59:20.620 all the details about bars but i

00:59:22.540 i mean metal bars concept of prison

00:59:25.580 alcohol serving bars well no i think

00:59:28.380 it's it's weird for you to say that you

00:59:30.620 want them to go to rehabilitation centers

00:59:32.620 where they're segregated from the general

00:59:34.220 population i would like to know how you

00:59:36.540 plan on doing that without you know

00:59:38.060 imprisoning them against their will i

00:59:41.180 let me rephrase my original statement i

00:59:43.020 don't believe in prison how we have

00:59:44.780 prison yeah i understand that yeah you

00:59:47.660 actually already said that that's why i'm

00:59:49.180 diving into how you believe we should

00:59:50.940 have prison like look at um for which

00:59:53.820 country it is actually so don't don't

00:59:55.180 look but there's like a lot of prisons

00:59:56.540 that do that that have nice conditions

00:59:58.220 like people get abused in prison and no

01:00:00.300 one even abusers should be abused

01:00:02.940 i have something about this yeah but i

01:00:05.180 mean you're probably referencing some of

01:00:07.020 the nordic nations which put a lot of

01:00:09.740 emphasis on rehabilitation for these

01:00:12.540 kind of smaller demographics which they

01:00:15.020 can do and they've had some limited

01:00:17.340 success with that but when you're

01:00:18.700 talking especially here in the united

01:00:20.540 states i'd like to know how you would

01:00:22.940 move towards a more rehabilitation

01:00:25.100 centered prison environment uh when you

01:00:27.980 know that you have to segregate off

01:00:29.340 violent criminals from the general

01:00:31.100 population how do you plan on doing that

01:00:32.700 without imprisoning them that makes no

01:00:34.140 sense to me well things like no private

01:00:37.820 prison starting with that no prison for

01:00:40.220 profit that's insane that that exists

01:00:43.260 like that's slave labor stop labor

01:00:46.140 slave labor we'll start with that and

01:00:47.900 yeah but you know what federal prison

01:00:49.340 is right what do you mean federal

01:00:51.740 prison federal federal prison which is

01:00:53.740 under the purview of the state federal

01:00:55.980 yeah i know do you think that the

01:00:57.660 conditions in federal prisons are better

01:00:59.740 than the private prisons because many in

01:01:02.300 many cases they're not so just moving

01:01:05.500 from private ownership to public

01:01:07.580 ownership that's still going to have the

01:01:09.580 same types of conditions that you're

01:01:11.180 talking about jeff did you did you

01:01:13.020 i was going to say like i think this is

01:01:14.460 another one of those things where it's

01:01:15.820 like the words don't mean the words so

01:01:17.740 it's like i don't believe in prison but

01:01:18.860 i do think they should be confined

01:01:20.220 somewhere where they so it's like you're

01:01:21.500 just using it's kind of the same word

01:01:23.260 which is but and then another thing is

01:01:24.860 like it's so complicated the the

01:01:29.420 punishment system if someone were to

01:01:33.340 assault and maybe hurt or do anything

01:01:36.140 to a woman in my life or my sisters or

01:01:38.380 my niece or something now i've got to

01:01:40.060 ask myself do i want that person

01:01:41.420 rehabilitated or do i want them

01:01:43.820 punished and these might be called

01:01:46.300 punishment facilities some people are

01:01:48.460 beyond there's kind of uh there's

01:01:50.540 addiction there's a lot of things that

01:01:51.660 go into when people hurt things do

01:01:53.180 things mental illnesses right when

01:01:54.780 they're not this is very tough i've

01:01:56.780 been to jail and i've also worked in

01:01:58.380 jails and these people these aren't

01:02:00.620 sweet they're not this is not this is

01:02:02.780 not we're not talking about like oh

01:02:03.980 come on give everyone a chance and you

01:02:05.340 know they just screwed up and it's

01:02:06.460 they're being treated those because of

01:02:07.420 their race there's bad people among us

01:02:10.060 who've done some bad things is all i'm

01:02:11.660 saying so it's like it's not just

01:02:13.580 like you can't just blanketly go oh

01:02:15.980 they're they're being treated bad it's

01:02:17.900 like yeah they did a lot of them did

01:02:19.660 bad things they're in a bad place

01:02:21.660 they're there to be punished seven

01:02:23.580 deadly simps donated two hundred

01:02:25.660 dollars ladies brian has a thing for

01:02:29.100 a short women b asian women c large

01:02:33.100 labia raise your hand if you're any of

01:02:35.020 the above also seven hundred and

01:02:37.180 seventy seven decillion seven hundred

01:02:39.260 seventy seven no million seven hundred

01:02:41.820 and seventy seven anybody gonna raise

01:02:43.660 their hand i guess i'm out brian

01:02:44.780 yeah it is

01:02:46.540 he didn't say 80 year old white guys

01:02:48.700 seven hundred and seventy seven

01:02:50.860 never say never

01:02:51.500 seven hundred and seventy seven uh thank

01:02:53.820 you thank you seven hundred and seventy seven

01:02:55.180 that's pretty funny appreciate it man

01:02:56.860 that's a troll for sure

01:02:57.980 seven hundred and seventy seven million

01:03:00.300 seven hundred and seventy seven oh my god it's

01:03:01.820 not hold on there's another one that's

01:03:03.260 about to come in seven we have a fish i'll

01:03:05.980 just read it official brandon

01:03:07.260 collins thank you for the hundred brian should

01:03:08.860 moderate a presidential debate andrew is an

01:03:10.940 awesome debater jeff is hilarious

01:03:12.860 af love you all hope you have a blessed

01:03:15.420 episode and to quote of girls link in

01:03:19.260 bio hashtag christ is king oh did you see

01:03:22.780 that episode did you see that last

01:03:25.100 episode oh we have okay we have grid one

01:03:27.180 motorsports donated to oh hey thank you for

01:03:29.580 tuning in man appreciate i have to go

01:03:31.340 but leave you with this the girl with the

01:03:33.340 weird prison opinions needs to learn more

01:03:35.660 before speaking as i am sure she is not as

01:03:38.460 dumb as she seems just supremely

01:03:40.940 ill-informed be better great one do you

01:03:43.820 want to respond to grid one

01:03:46.060 um i mean i i kind of agree a little bit i

01:03:49.980 didn't know the exact topics of

01:03:51.340 conversation so i can't whip out a bunch of

01:03:53.340 rapid-fire statistics on you right now and i

01:03:56.140 think i would sound a lot more eloquent if i

01:03:57.820 did i'm just thank you grid one well we

01:04:01.420 but we haven't really whipped out any

01:04:03.260 statistics on you either we right now

01:04:05.500 we're just still in the forming of the

01:04:08.220 opinion and trying to figure out if it

01:04:10.220 even makes coherent sense so we're not

01:04:12.460 hitting you with stats you're not hitting

01:04:13.820 us with stats right now we're just trying

01:04:15.260 to figure out basic questions like if you

01:04:17.100 want to segregate x amount of the public

01:04:18.860 away from the rest of the public how do

01:04:20.700 you do that without imprisoning them that

01:04:22.540 seems like a a question which doesn't need

01:04:25.580 statistics to answer yeah i mean i i've

01:04:28.700 started answering it and then you got hung

01:04:31.340 up on the first thing i said and then i

01:04:33.260 couldn't go through the whole list

01:04:35.180 um but i can keep going through the list

01:04:37.740 wait so the the whole list when it comes

01:04:39.900 to what what would i do if i had like

01:04:42.620 supreme overlord power oh is that was that

01:04:44.700 the question i mean it seems like into the

01:04:46.620 mic into the mic i seems like it seems

01:04:48.700 like it is was that i what's well i think

01:04:51.260 no so we were talking about prison yeah

01:04:53.900 well i thought before that no so the

01:04:56.140 the thing we were talking about before

01:04:57.580 was i was asking you so okay we're

01:05:00.460 talking about feminism and you said that

01:05:03.340 women or i said something about well we're

01:05:05.180 equal under the law in terms of our

01:05:07.180 rights men and women's rights and then

01:05:09.100 you said you object to that and i don't

01:05:11.020 exactly remember how we meandered to

01:05:13.420 prison

01:05:15.820 but we're talking about abortion and then

01:05:18.220 people can go to jail for not even paying

01:05:19.660 child support we talked about war

01:05:21.340 oh okay about all that and then she said

01:05:23.420 then it kind of came into her right well

01:05:25.340 i don't know okay war or i don't agree

01:05:27.020 with the jail and we go what would you do

01:05:28.380 with jail if you didn't agree with let's

01:05:29.820 not linger too long on the prison on the

01:05:31.900 prison yeah no that was a long i just but

01:05:33.580 so it sounds like you object i don't

01:05:35.340 think the debtor's prison that's what's

01:05:36.620 important for the conversation but it

01:05:38.460 sounds like you don't like prison in

01:05:40.300 general i don't like how it is now i

01:05:42.140 mean i mean i can certainly agree with

01:05:43.900 you that there are certainly for

01:05:45.580 example the rate at which inmates might

01:05:48.460 be assaulted by other inmates or by even

01:05:51.580 guards um there's certainly ways that we

01:05:54.060 can better reform and the pr the prison

01:05:57.420 system um i i don't think that there

01:06:00.220 should be people being physically

01:06:03.260 assaulted and murdered in prison so

01:06:05.580 certainly there's no reforms and i agree

01:06:09.580 with you that we to some degree we should

01:06:11.980 be rehabilitating but it sounds like you

01:06:16.700 object entirely to the concept of a

01:06:20.700 what's the term retributive justice system

01:06:25.020 i think only certain people should be

01:06:27.580 like re rehabilitated yeah i agree some

01:06:31.100 people i like there's certain people that

01:06:33.580 absolutely deserve prison and there's

01:06:35.500 absolutely people that are literally

01:06:37.660 horrible human beings and there are some

01:06:39.900 people that actually just need help like

01:06:42.140 and there's a lot of people who can

01:06:43.340 change their life around but i don't

01:06:44.700 think there are certain things where like

01:06:46.940 the prison system is a little can i

01:06:48.780 cuss yeah okay i don't like there are

01:06:51.500 certain people that like deserve to be

01:06:54.140 in prison and there's certain

01:06:55.500 fucked up people but i like i think some

01:06:58.300 people deserve rehabilitation sorry oh no

01:07:01.180 it wasn't that it wasn't that um but yeah i

01:07:03.900 don't know i think like prison as a whole is

01:07:05.740 like it could be fucked up but i think some

01:07:07.980 people kind of do deserve that well and

01:07:10.220 some people's first defense is that it

01:07:12.780 mostly is rehabilitation which is the

01:07:15.180 focus right so it's usually very light

01:07:17.420 sentences going through drug and alcohol

01:07:19.660 anonymous things like this generally for

01:07:22.300 people's first crimes it's usually people

01:07:24.380 who are habitual criminals or there's a

01:07:27.420 strike law in california so yeah that

01:07:30.300 well that would be a habitual criminal

01:07:31.740 yeah yeah and that so oh sorry go ahead

01:07:34.860 andrew oh well i was just saying so i mean

01:07:36.780 if you're a habitual criminal obviously those

01:07:39.580 are the people you want to segregate off from

01:07:41.180 the rest of society right right i mean and

01:07:43.900 also when it comes to prison there's a

01:07:45.260 whole bunch of reasons a lot of people

01:07:47.340 push like oh it should be purely uh we

01:07:50.220 should purely try to rehabilitate but

01:07:52.300 there's a whole bunch of first off if

01:07:54.460 there's somebody who's dangerous get them

01:07:55.820 off the street they're in prison they can

01:07:57.820 know they don't have the capacity to

01:08:00.300 continue causing harm that's one of the

01:08:02.780 things it's also deterrent okay if i just

01:08:06.380 can get slapped on the wrist get a slap on

01:08:08.460 the wrist or get some fine they're gonna

01:08:10.540 keep they they're perhaps crime is more

01:08:12.460 likely to occur also justice if there's a

01:08:15.020 victim um this whole idea that prison

01:08:18.620 shouldn't be a punishment um i do think

01:08:22.460 that one of the valid arguments for

01:08:26.140 prison being a punishment again i don't

01:08:28.540 think that once you're in prison that's

01:08:29.820 your punishment your your loss of freedom

01:08:31.980 i i don't think you should be like subject

01:08:34.460 to like insane abuse in the prison you

01:08:38.220 shouldn't like they should try to protect

01:08:39.820 you that you are basically there um they

01:08:43.980 have a duty to essentially keep you safe

01:08:46.300 within the prison system but one of the

01:08:48.060 big things is for example let's say that

01:08:49.980 you kill somebody's son or one of the big

01:08:53.340 uh part reasons for imprisoning people

01:08:56.860 and justice is so that this this is like

01:09:00.860 kind of getting whatever um we have delegated

01:09:03.820 delegated our we have delegated revenge to

01:09:07.740 the state because in in a coherent society

01:09:11.660 you can't just like if somebody fucks with

01:09:14.620 you like we can't have this sort of

01:09:16.540 vigilante justice system where maybe you've

01:09:20.620 got somebody innocent and now you've got

01:09:22.540 like some fucking family vendetta so one of

01:09:25.420 the big reasons for for prison and for

01:09:27.260 punishment is so that we don't descend into

01:09:29.980 vigilant vigilante justice um because if if

01:09:33.820 somebody murdered your whatever and there

01:09:37.500 was no justice system you're going to be

01:09:38.940 like okay i'm going to murder their entire

01:09:40.540 family right and then they're going to

01:09:41.900 murder your and then it's just then you

01:09:43.420 get into this escalating domino effect so

01:09:46.060 that happened for thousands of years yeah

01:09:47.900 yeah and so the justice would kill someone's

01:09:49.340 wife and they say i'm going to kill your

01:09:50.620 son and then they can and it just never

01:09:52.060 ends so we yes so part of just going to

01:09:54.620 say that's so part of the social part of the

01:09:56.780 social contract is we've delegated justice

01:10:01.020 and force and revenge essentially to the

01:10:03.820 state so that we you don't see vigilante

01:10:06.540 justice and i don't want them treated

01:10:08.620 good i just kind of feel like you're

01:10:11.020 arguing to something that i already said

01:10:12.940 like i already said that i rephrased it you

01:10:15.500 know like i just don't believe that it

01:10:18.460 should be the way it is now in the ways

01:10:20.620 where i like i don't think that the laws

01:10:22.780 are being upheld properly well i think

01:10:24.540 you're walking back your position because

01:10:26.220 your initial statement sounded a lot to a

01:10:28.780 lot to me like you wanted to do away with

01:10:32.700 prison yeah um it was like i don't believe

01:10:37.740 in prison that's there's no nuance in five

01:10:40.540 words that i could convey to you you know and

01:10:43.660 then we looked into it and like you said the

01:10:45.980 way we do it now well you should be a bit

01:10:47.660 more precise in your words because if you

01:10:49.340 say you don't believe in prison if you don't

01:10:51.660 believe in people being incarcerated

01:10:54.460 i mean that kind of begs us to want to

01:10:58.380 challenge that that statement of it

01:11:01.020 yeah i think it would serve you better to be

01:11:02.860 more precise in your statements because if you

01:11:04.540 just say

01:11:05.980 some just like kind of almost outlandish

01:11:10.380 statement it triggered me i was like wait

01:11:11.900 what you don't believe in jail

01:11:14.140 but we asked follow-up questions so do you

01:11:16.860 not believe in prison i don't believe it should

01:11:20.700 be the way it is now is how i rephrased it

01:11:22.860 i think okay we're gonna move on um please

01:11:25.820 mike

01:11:26.140 can i if we're moving on oh did you have one

01:11:29.500 more thing andrew yeah just real quick so

01:11:32.620 the the gal who was dating the billionaire

01:11:34.940 uh can you raise your hand real quick oh here we go so i can see you okay great

01:11:38.780 um i just i just did a just a cursory check um is she i actually can't find

01:11:43.820 any 30 year old billionaire real estate moguls according to forbes not a single one

01:11:50.940 but he said he was

01:11:53.660 what's that don't like proof pictures yeah let's see what he looks like i'm just

01:11:56.540 kidding don't do that that's it well not on camera like dox him no but i'll

01:12:01.020 show you guys like does he have a wikipedia every billionaire

01:12:05.660 has a wikipedia even if it's a few cents yeah there's only there's only 30 right now

01:12:11.100 could have been hoodwink is he saudi arabian is he middle eastern it's not a saudi prince if

01:12:17.260 that's what you're alluding to family money so it might be under is he middle eastern i'm

01:12:22.060 gonna look at his dad's name because middle east saudi arabians um are you coming back hello

01:12:26.860 oh yeah i'm just handling something you're handling something okay

01:12:37.660 lvn i think he was just real rich is what you meant

01:12:41.340 no i'm not taking it back um maybe there's what's okay there's his race car

01:12:47.900 wait what he's got a race car all right cool that's on google though so let me give you some

01:12:52.540 real does he have a wikipedia no i don't think the wikipedia is like okay hold on let's just let's

01:12:59.180 let's regather the conversation here so

01:13:04.460 you think women and men are not equal under law how um please into the microphone go ahead

01:13:12.620 i mean i told you already um it's just the enforcement of the law enforcement of what law

01:13:17.500 i don't have any on the top of my head do you want me to keep brainstorming

01:13:25.420 well i mean if i think i think 90 of it is um i think more than 90 of it is like social and not

01:13:33.580 in the law so i think that's irrelevant anyways but also there's abortion and then also which you

01:13:39.580 guys don't want to argue about i don't really want to argue about either um and then the enforcement

01:13:45.020 of the law is just like a small part of that i mean couldn't you actually make the argument that

01:13:50.460 men are are disadvantaged under law for example men are much more likely to be uh to get prosecuted

01:13:59.020 of crimes when they are prosecuted of crimes they're much more likely to serve longer sentences when

01:14:04.780 compared to women who commit the exact same crimes and the exact same jurisdictions under the exact same

01:14:11.820 circumstances with the exact same criminal history or for example no i mean it's sometimes hard to

01:14:17.260 have the exact same criminal history but um so i mean couldn't you actually make a very compelling

01:14:21.740 argument that uh there's actually quite a bit of discrimination against men yes yes you could

01:14:28.300 yes sure but i think it was your position that women are disadvantaged in this system so i'm just

01:14:34.300 trying to well what do you mean by this you mean just legally i suppose yeah

01:14:41.260 i mean i think abortion like trumps all of that and i also i want to ask you who you think created

01:14:47.580 the patriarchy who like i'm just wondering this is just i can't make my mind unless i know

01:14:54.620 good lord jesus we can talk to someone else if you want i'm i'm fine i'm fine to talk about the

01:15:00.860 patriarchy but can we like there's just so like they want so many people here right i think they

01:15:07.020 want to hear someone else the founder of the page like god come on come on okay so hold on look

01:15:15.580 we're gonna get through her stuff that will you'll get i know it's hard to not have attention

01:15:20.140 no it's so for 30 minutes you don't want to talk about prison you don't want to talk about

01:15:24.620 you're a man you can't talk about the patriarchy you guys are totally just fixating on wasn't it

01:15:29.980 literally the question was how long have you been single and are you like how did we get in are you

01:15:36.060 talking prison no we've moved on to who's a feminist yes but hold on not a feminist that was that was

01:15:41.340 that's yes but this is the nature of conver fucking conversation yeah it's like come on

01:15:48.220 it really went along here yeah yo yo look okay this isn't your show no it's i'm going to dictate

01:15:55.020 the pace of the conversation clearly yeah clearly you requested to be on the show rat he's the mother

01:16:02.300 andrew i love you come on so not being stop being a brat like he's the only doing is the conversation

01:16:08.780 about it so as it evolves she's just keeping it on okay stop being a brat okay stop unless you guys

01:16:15.660 want to i don't want to we're we've already moved i don't think you want you've already hold on you've

01:16:20.060 already extended this conversation which you don't want to have by having to be extra about it i've

01:16:26.940 already been trying for the last 30 seconds to make an attempt to meander away but because of your

01:16:33.020 moaning and whinging and whining we are still talking about it now so please allow me to direct the

01:16:38.540 conversation and if you have quarrels with the conversation you can just sit there and you can

01:16:43.900 wait and whine and eventually you will get the attention you so desperately desire so okay i think

01:16:51.820 to finalize our point on this it sounded like to me to kind of put a cherry on the fucking top of the

01:16:59.020 fucking thing you want it sounds to me like you want equality societally but you want tradition

01:17:06.860 romantically that that's where i'm i think i'm getting at insofar as that tradition stands to

01:17:12.220 benefit you where said tradition does not stand to benefit you or women you won't you will not or you

01:17:20.380 will prefer not to adhere to that specific tradition so for example you want a guy to take care of

01:17:28.220 everything it sounds like right yeah i have a question um do you will you take your husband's

01:17:35.820 last name it depends i also i mean i'm telling you i like i would prefer if i didn't if everything was

01:17:44.140 taken care of but if i meet someone that i really really like and they don't have any fucking money

01:17:48.940 okay if i like them like i don't like i'll work if i like them but i'm just saying ideally for me

01:17:54.940 that's what i would prefer let's say you did find that guy that would take care of everything um

01:18:01.580 will you take your husband's last name sure oh yeah i

01:18:07.500 my god go this girl cannot make like give a straight answer you just literally 30 seconds ago

01:18:13.740 you said it depends and now you just said sure i don't know where to try i don't know what your

01:18:19.420 position is on any given thing because every single time we've asked you a clarifying question you always

01:18:24.780 walk back your position or you change your answer and it's just like you ask your words mean nothing

01:18:30.700 you ask your words literally mean nothing the first question you ask is will you take your husband's

01:18:35.740 last name and my answer is depends um and then you were like depends on what and i gave one i gave you

01:18:41.980 an ideal and you said if the ideal happened and i said sure that's the depending part i don't understand

01:18:48.540 why that's hard to get but it's not it wasn't just this one instance like every single time

01:18:54.620 oh i don't believe in prisons hold on actually wait no it's this specific thing and it's just it's

01:19:01.260 very confusing that's all i'm trying to say i don't know why we would be here if not to learn from each

01:19:05.580 other i mean that's what we're here for right like no i'm here to argue with everybody i'm i'm very

01:19:10.460 i'm very firm in my positions and my beliefs i'm not this isn't a stephen crowder change my mind like

01:19:15.740 no i'm firm in my beliefs let's argue i i mean i'm i'm 19 i don't know everything about the world

01:19:22.940 okay all right you know what i mean like i'm here to talk and i can i can that's fine i can change my

01:19:27.420 opinion without that that's fine what that's fair huh what do you mean that's fine that's fair that

01:19:32.300 she's 19 means we understand what she said no no you said that's fine do you think that's a fair

01:19:36.220 point valid that she's 19 the fair point what do you mean is that it's not a fair point that she's

01:19:41.180 19 she is in fact 19. no i'm not i'm asking you a question i'm not trying to argue chill hey i mean

01:19:47.660 it's a fair point that she's 19 and she still has a lot to learn i'm just asking do you think it's a

01:19:52.140 fair point i'm not i'm not go ahead go ahead with your point chill out come on i'm chill go ahead

01:19:56.860 come on she's asked she's just she said i'm 19 years old do you think that's a valid point like for all

01:20:03.500 her all her contradictions it's not just a valid point it is it's actually fact so i'm failing to

01:20:08.620 understand your question are you dating a 19 year old what how old are you no what well hold on

01:20:14.940 where what are you talking about you're not dating a 19 year old what no what when did i say that uh

01:20:23.660 one of your last few podcasts i've never i don't reveal my private relationship information so

01:20:30.380 i have no idea what you're talking about because she's like 19 growing up i feel like you have a

01:20:36.700 real issue with her being too young you've mentioned it multiple times whereas we're just talking to her

01:20:40.780 like a grown-up you're the one that's brought up her age and my age for for to be fair you seem to

01:20:46.780 have a real problem with the ages as opposed to us we're just asking her opinions yeah and she's

01:20:51.580 telling her opinions and back and if we don't we have never cared if she's 18 or if i'm 80 it has

01:20:57.820 nothing to do with anything in fact i like the answer but i don't know yet you know i'm open to

01:21:01.980 be changed in my position because you've argued every single point so i'm surprised that you like

01:21:06.860 her answer i don't like her answer what they don't like is that i don't see her as good or bad i'm just

01:21:14.940 talking to her but you seem to have an issue every point that she's made is bad or it's a lot of her

01:21:23.420 points i am kind of like uh but do you think her being 19 years old has something to do with it

01:21:28.300 it's all i'm asking what would your choose be for having all the wrong answers that's a good one

01:21:33.980 roasted me yeah yeah i don't i disagree i don't think i do i didn't hear oh okay well she doesn't

01:21:40.220 think she does so now can we move the conversation on one thousand percent i'm never gonna go well she's

01:21:45.100 19 i'm gonna dismiss everything and totally derails the conversations for fucking okay let's get back

01:21:49.900 totally totally for the last 30 minutes let's go i do it how old are you because i i'd like to know

01:21:55.820 i'm 34 what age dating how old i don't first off i'm i'm i don't reveal my okay private relationship uh

01:22:05.420 information what was her question at what age did you decide that you had your set of answers and you

01:22:11.740 were done there is no yeah there's we're always learning there's no age you just said that you

01:22:16.860 were set in your opinion i mean there is like if you really want to get into it scientifically there

01:22:22.940 is a point in time where your brain stops developing and there is a point i'm being hyperbolic scientific

01:22:33.420 he's not just going to throw things out there and go i don't he's saying i have strong

01:22:36.620 we all are i didn't hear andrew i'm sorry he just asked what age what did you say what did you say

01:22:41.180 andrew yeah are you is this the your brain stops developing a 25 years old argument there no there's

01:22:47.260 there's a certain age for men and women it's very different yeah what is that age you can still learn

01:22:51.260 it's still 25 i mean yeah you can still learn well what do you think andrew i mean they say your brain

01:22:55.580 your brain never stops right so what do you think they said your brain never stops developing your brain

01:23:00.460 stops growing but that doesn't mean you don't learn things i'm not the same guy

01:23:03.660 the frontal lobe decision making is at 25. this is what scientists say no that's not true there's

01:23:11.100 people who make nope it's not it's not true some of them develop the at least the part of the brain

01:23:16.540 that you're talking about much earlier than 25. some even after that you're just talking about an

01:23:21.420 average not a stop right they said the average age yeah exactly and i'm not the same guy i was a year

01:23:27.500 ago well i'm definitely not the same guy i was 10 years ago we're always evolving and changing but i

01:23:32.620 also i wouldn't dismiss yeah exactly that's all we're doing i can't believe i'm explaining this to

01:23:36.700 you all right um here let me get through my let me get through my notes on this holy

01:23:44.620 fuck um so you also said one time i dated a guy who was deaf definitely doing crime what and

01:23:51.820 accidentally made him flee the country slash be abstained for a couple months but like he's good at

01:23:57.260 crime so i don't want to eat him out rat him out excuse me rat him out publicly on the media unless

01:24:04.460 i change some details you want to hear about that so you were dating a guy who definitely was doing

01:24:11.900 crime do you care to specify which crime um i'm not sure which one but i know it's happening um

01:24:19.020 i was like i like left while he was asleep and then i lost one of my socks so i go digging in the

01:24:29.100 couch and there's just a bunch of fucking iphones and then i so i pick them up and they're like new

01:24:34.780 new ass iphones and then so i pick one up and it's just full that's a little bit snoopy of me

01:24:39.660 um that is typical billionaire behavior just a lot of iphones laying around guys got it like that you

01:24:44.540 know i'll show you the uh what's it called air hockey table anyways just because i feel you guys

01:24:51.180 don't believe me i believe i'll show you anyway i think it's too specific to not be real you know

01:24:55.660 who would think of air hockey tables being delivered on demand yeah that's a different guy than the

01:24:59.980 crime guy the crime guy is also yeah he's cool um but so i looked at the iphone and it's just a

01:25:05.660 bunch of notifications of apps i've never heard of and they're all in french um and then i'm looking

01:25:11.100 at this guy's instagram and i'm like oh into the mic sorry i'm looking at his instagram like oh private

01:25:16.380 jet um like all this crazy and then i'm like so what do you do and he was like ice cream so then

01:25:23.820 i went and hung out with him with my other friend and then we were going back to a hotel after like

01:25:29.260 the club and then he um he left his wallet at the club so he was like you guys go ahead i'll meet you

01:25:35.180 there are you arriving at the point well did you i actually didn't hear about it so i'm telling you

01:25:41.500 the story but there's all this like extraneous kind of unimportant details well have you noticed

01:25:47.100 that's how she she talks and you've just been harping on her okay cool so you said he was definitely

01:25:53.900 doing crime where's the crime what is just tell us what the crime is i don't know but i know it's

01:26:00.220 happening like i'm like 100 so it's a crime to have multiple cell phones and might just had it

01:26:06.540 and there was ice cream ice cream involved i'm not done with the there's more details okay so he was

01:26:13.260 just being sus let me say this um we think okay my friend who met him um and i went through all this

01:26:21.260 with she uh had a friend who did the same crime and then she was like it's it is that because okay no

01:26:28.460 listen to the end of the story that's when all the fun stuff happens um so we get back and we're

01:26:32.460 like he's not coming back so we ordered like 500 of room service and then he was like i don't know

01:26:36.140 why you did that but okay that's a crime and then we go to the we go to the lobby to go get the food

01:26:41.500 and i'm drunk so i just go also crime you're at 18. i just go i know he's doing crime to the concierge

01:26:47.500 and then at 7 a.m the next day a suited man walks up to our hotel room and knocks on the door

01:26:52.860 and just to interrupt the story briefly briefly you you ratted him out on accident i was drunk i

01:27:00.460 didn't think they would like check wait you ratted him out and then they told people

01:27:08.780 well yeah because okay listen so we think it's credit card fraud so then they know our room number

01:27:15.980 because we got room service and then the next day i'm trying to bail my car and i'm like oh he'll pay for

01:27:20.220 it and then so i'm like and they're like what's the room number and the i think that was for me

01:27:25.180 um what's the room number and the name and then i said the name and he was like that's just not the

01:27:30.460 name and i was like no it is that's who that's who was in that room and then they were like oh fraud

01:27:35.180 and then he just disappeared off the face of the earth for two months like no social media like

01:27:38.940 social media deleted like i checked on someone else's phone to make sure he didn't just block me

01:27:42.140 and now he's back and mad

01:27:48.060 that was a great story

01:27:50.540 i especially like the part where you snitched on him i was drunk i wouldn't have done it if i

01:27:54.860 thought that it would it would matter but it yeah well i mean drunk snitching still snitching right

01:27:59.740 it was not my yeah i'm i agree that was a bad thing for me to do and she's soberly talking about it on

01:28:05.660 socials and in public i think that's interesting you asked last thing for you you said god damn it

01:28:12.700 i have some funny threesome stories but i would have to leave out the good parts

01:28:18.540 yeah yes you have three how old are you you've done a lot since you don't know how old she is you're

01:28:25.900 the age person why did you ask how old are you well i was kind of like making you you have threesomes

01:28:33.900 and you're 19. we're just asking just asking she's full body autonomy she is full body on autonomy

01:28:43.660 you had you had three you have multiple threesomes or how many threesomes two two yeah multiply it by

01:28:50.620 three oh wait no three huh three i forgot about it it's getting higher oh wait no stop hold on go

01:29:01.340 ahead no i'm joking wait so more than no three

01:29:08.620 doing the math here okay all right okay all right three three three was it two dudes in each or like

01:29:17.980 two two two chicks two ladies and and one dude yeah should we like non-binary maybe i don't know

01:29:25.500 no it's dudes always dudes he he she pronouns i'm sorry he him yeah pronouns get it right

01:29:33.100 standard hetero behavior good shit okay all right moving on

01:29:38.620 billionaires and crime lords and threesomes and you're worried that we're asking

01:29:43.020 she lives she lives fast she lives fast andrew well i just feel like someone

01:29:47.820 too many hard questions maybe or like i thought the chat was done with me like an hour ago your

01:29:53.180 podcast gold baby uh yeah so uh that's crazy though billionaires that's kind of like life on easy

01:30:04.540 mouth a little bit oh yeah where's all the women billionaires oh right they got it all from their

01:30:09.660 i have thought that that's right some of my darkest thoughts that i don't usually say out

01:30:14.220 loud are like you know like we like whether you feel badly about them or not like you know you'll

01:30:18.380 you know elon musk you know we love guys like me love elon musk right i love jordan peterson i love

01:30:23.580 sam harris i love like a lot of intellectual minds i love roomie i love where's all the female elon musk

01:30:31.100 it's like all the girls i know and who i love and value and respect they can't shut the

01:30:34.700 fuck up about taylor swift like that's your that's your sam harris but beyonce that's your best

01:30:42.460 right these are your best female uh heroes i completely agree i think uh candace owens is

01:30:49.100 really paving away for a lot of women she's great there should be more women i love them i think i

01:30:55.420 think you're a little limiting on your circle of who you listen to but socially but i i agree i feel

01:31:01.900 like there needs to be a lot more i don't know one speak i totally i'm with you there's not there's

01:31:07.820 not nearly enough intellectual or at least pseudo intellectuals that can speak on things i agree

01:31:13.100 i i actually have a theory on this jeff and andrew you might be familiar with this it's the greater

01:31:21.100 male variability is it a hypothesis or theory i don't know but essentially so i think my understanding

01:31:28.780 is uh men and women's intelligence i guess the is it the average or the median is the same however

01:31:35.180 if you look at the extremes there's a lot more like really stupid men but there's also like a lot

01:31:41.900 more really like genius iq men i've seen this so women let me give the clarification yeah go ahead

01:31:47.820 andrew uh so this is a hypothesis the variability hypothesis the greater male variability hypothesis

01:31:54.540 posits that the males show greater uh inter-individual variability than females do in

01:32:00.540 both physical and psychological characteristics including intellectual abilities yeah andrew forgive

01:32:06.940 me i don't know a lot about your uh like your background but uh what's your hypothesis on that

01:32:12.060 hypothesis why do you think that is seriously i don't think like why would that be a thing because

01:32:17.260 women are just as smart as us i'm like i'm always going why don't you ever well how do you know that

01:32:21.660 what is that that women are just as smart as us well there's no there's no evidence that their

01:32:26.300 brains are different than ours as far as like our bodies are we're a little bigger and stronger but

01:32:30.220 their brains are the same well i was also going to say what do you base off of like what is smart to

01:32:35.020 you like well just so you know i just want to correct a couple things right so you're actually

01:32:39.340 incorrect about that women's have women have smaller brains than men do now that doesn't mean physically

01:32:45.500 that they're that they're less intelligent but i am saying that there are physiological

01:32:49.500 differences right but when you're asking are men and women the same when it comes to intelligence

01:32:54.940 on average yes that's what i mean brian's kind of alluding to is at the fringes on both ends you're

01:33:01.420 going to find that there's when you get up to the upper levels that there's way more intelligent men at

01:33:06.300 the higher levels than there are women and this is the same thing for strength this is basically the

01:33:10.940 same thing across the board that i was asking if you had a theory of why do you think that happens

01:33:15.180 or why that it's just it it's just the biological standard so i think that that's probably necessary

01:33:20.780 from probably your purview if you're a sam harris guy i'm guessing you believe in evolution yeah yeah

01:33:26.700 so there would probably be an evolutionary explanation for this um which would push that men are the

01:33:32.700 protectors and they also need to have leadership abilities and organization abilities and things like

01:33:37.660 this in order to protect uh the greater society so probably at the upper echelons they would need to have

01:33:43.820 this as an evolved characteristic yeah i don't know and when i was saying that that we have the

01:33:48.540 same brains all i meant is like in studies they'll show they'll give tests to males and females and men

01:33:53.180 and females are doing pretty much the same generally on the tests as well yeah so basically men are just

01:33:59.020 stronger but i'm not hearing where the smartness comes in well no no well no at the at the the greater

01:34:07.180 end of it they're not so when you're talking about the high end of intelligence you find way more

01:34:13.420 men at that high end than you do women that's the point it's not to say in the middle or in the

01:34:20.060 lower averages are not the same it's when you get up to the high end right right hold on just a sec hold

01:34:24.780 on uh wait can you sit down oh i thought you said come stay by what so why are you leaving i have to go

01:34:34.540 why i have something that came up what came up personal what do you mean it's personal

01:34:43.420 my boyfriend's getting mad at me wait my your boyfriend hold on you sit whoa hold on one two

01:34:49.500 three four five my friend why is your friend why is your your male platonic friend yeah why is he

01:34:57.100 getting mad at you and why does he have any why does if you're already he's your platonic

01:35:06.700 you were hold on why do you want to go i don't know can you please speak into the microphone please

01:35:12.860 um i don't know i just you're not enjoying the conversation not really it's you request reform you

01:35:19.900 requested to be on the show is it because you're not getting enough attention maybe i don't know

01:35:24.540 okay but i just want to say i'm just not feeling it you're not feeling it didn't you say hold on

01:35:33.260 but like didn't you request to be on the show here i have some notes here let me get in oh i'll get it

01:35:38.220 it's different when you're doing it did you think it was going to be a one-on-one interview here at

01:35:42.140 least i i you no no no no hold on so i just just to do you a favor because i don't want you to feel

01:35:48.380 like you wasted your time no i don't want to just you no no you you provided some pre-show notes

01:35:55.020 so i because you said you're not feeling like we're reeling you into the conversation you said

01:35:59.820 that you've had heated physical arguments and multiple celebrity altercations hookup stories

01:36:06.300 gone wrong i want to give you you i feel but you you drove here you drove a long distance i i don't want

01:36:12.860 you to feel like we haven't no it hasn't been valuable for you so like let's why don't we just

01:36:17.580 get into it um so you do you want to get into some of those stories you had you said you had some funny

01:36:24.540 good stories i want to get into it yeah and then i just i don't know i'm kind of like thinking about

01:36:31.900 if i should get into it because i mean we could if you don't want to get into it but you want to stay

01:36:36.540 for the panel we we reserved a seat for you you requested to be on the show so um okay you said

01:36:46.780 maybe i'll get into it a little bit i don't know wait get into what i don't know no you just you

01:36:51.660 said you want to be on the panel uh i mean not i didn't want to but is is there anything just so i

01:36:57.980 can try to reel you into the conversation a bit so you feel a little more um like part of the

01:37:03.420 conversation is there any just like really don't want to be here hold on hold on sorry is there

01:37:08.540 anything dating related that you would like to touch on because i would like i sometimes it's

01:37:12.940 hard because we have a full panel here sometimes it can be difficult to fully get it everyone in

01:37:17.900 the conversation sometimes people have more dominant uh more dominant conversational style

01:37:22.620 so it can be hard for somebody who's perhaps a bit more introverted to feel like they can engage

01:37:28.060 with some of these topics some people don't want to engage with certain topics like the feminism

01:37:31.340 stuff i'm happy to try to reel you in with some more dating related stuff um so is there anything

01:37:38.380 dating related that you'd like to talk about um maybe in a little bit i'll just i'll stay for a

01:37:45.740 little bit and then okay well sure i'll ask you sure i'll ask you some questions then so uh you said

01:37:51.500 you were single for six months is that oh no sorry excuse me three months is that correct

01:37:55.820 yes okay so you've been single for three months um are you currently dating is there any guys in the

01:38:02.540 picture um kind of well i can start can you speak into the mic just so that people can hear you

01:38:09.900 i mean i've been single but i started talking to my ex again is that the one guy who dropped you off no

01:38:18.300 you've been talking to your ex again yeah the one that i was with three months ago okay and are there

01:38:25.740 any other guys in the picture or is it just you're talking to your ex or um i go on dates i'll go on

01:38:33.820 dates but nothing like serious okay do you have

01:38:40.460 you have you have like a roster kind of no i mean i'll i like to go on dates i mean i like to

01:38:51.020 i like to be like i like to be out i like to go out but i don't really how do they get the dates with

01:38:56.620 you dms or just they meet you in person work like all three oh nice yeah asking a nurse out yeah in

01:39:05.740 person or social media well in your pre-show notes to us when we asked if there's anything on the

01:39:11.660 podcast that you'd like to talk about you had stated i have a lot i got into really heated

01:39:20.540 yeah i remember arguments with i don't think i read it right like i don't think i read it right

01:39:25.740 you didn't read what like what you sent me or whoever uh was coming to me but you didn't

01:39:29.900 what like what do you mean you said oh do you want to talk about these topics on the podcast i just

01:39:34.060 thought you were like asked i didn't know you were for what other reason would we like just to

01:39:38.300 like a general like i don't know if you're gathering like general information from everyone and like

01:39:42.620 touch on stuff like that but like i didn't think you're gonna like and i was i was drunk when you

01:39:47.660 were i don't even think i messaged you all just on monday i want to be on your panel emoji emoji and

01:39:54.620 then you said the the question the three questions we ask are any crazy you Nate excuse me any crazy

01:40:02.460 unique dating story stories if so what any specific dating related topics things you'd like to speak

01:40:08.700 on during the show if so what and then general thoughts stance on modern dating any hot takes

01:40:14.300 if so what and to 11 or to to this you responded i got into really heated you you had some celebrity

01:40:24.460 hookup stories gone wrong celebrity altercations if you don't want to talk about it that's totally fine

01:40:32.060 but do you want to talk about it um no i don't want to say anything i'm like ready for the team i

01:40:40.700 love celebrity gossip okay so you also said something about i don't know the sheriff seven agreements

01:40:48.300 you said yeah and i don't know what that is sprinkle what is that you don't know what is it

01:40:54.780 you don't know about no let her answer go ahead she well i don't i haven't really like looked into it

01:40:58.940 too much but i saw her on tiktok she's uh like who's her name's shara seven yeah and she just kind

01:41:05.980 of like teaches um young girls how to um talk to like higher value men or or how to be to like

01:41:14.940 attract higher value men what's her credentials why is she teaching that i have no idea but i mean she gets

01:41:21.100 a lotto okay so what what is her what is her recommendations i guess um so she basically talks

01:41:28.380 about how i don't know let me see let me think of like a situation like she has a lot of different

01:41:35.580 videos but she mainly says like if it's her main like i think i think what i take from what she says is

01:41:42.860 like um it just if he's not doing what you want like have your standard type he's not doing what

01:41:50.300 you want him to do um just leave or like on to the next type of thing such as what like uh like treating

01:41:58.060 you right like if spoiling you like anything you want like okay treating you right like just being

01:42:04.060 treated right in general um like i think me personally like i like want to talk to a high

01:42:11.340 value man or like be spoiled or treated like i said like i feel like men should provide so um

01:42:18.300 you think men should provide what is a high value man though like in what in what like i think well

01:42:24.860 there's a lot of different aspects what i'm talking about like their personality and like um like

01:42:31.660 financially so you want to be are you do you consider yourself a high value woman i do okay

01:42:38.620 so what does that what does it mean to be a high value woman as opposed to a i suppose an average

01:42:43.340 woman or a low value woman just maybe my beliefs like how i think how they i think like um what like

01:42:51.500 i think i should i've had and i've never been like treated uh like badly or a certain way like so

01:42:57.980 i just have high standards like meaning like that in my relationships like you just want to be

01:43:02.540 treated right no like spoiled like okay or like provided for like like like spoiled how like you

01:43:10.620 want to get you gifts yeah not spoiled but just like the bare minimum right i think everyone like

01:43:15.820 women like well hold on let's be precise in our language because you said spoil okay well now you're

01:43:20.460 saying bare minimum okay bare minimum like i think it's a bare minimum to get like flowers and be

01:43:26.300 treated right but i'm saying like on the first date yeah do you don't agree

01:43:33.420 i don't think men should be buying women flowers on first dates and i feel like that's i agree why

01:43:41.500 not i mean that's happened to me i don't know that's a little goofy i think a lot of women and

01:43:46.860 because every woman's different obviously but uh a lot of women would be like what is this guy in

01:43:51.100 love with me he brought me flowers i wouldn't do it because that they'd be like oh jesus guy brought

01:43:56.620 me roses it's kind of like autistic no how is that autistic that's showing like if someone would

01:44:02.220 like it that's beautiful you're out at a restaurant and i haven't seen those people come up to you with

01:44:06.380 the the flowers and you're just yeah the roses yeah i just feel like a bouquet is like you're his

01:44:14.700 mommy picked it out at trader joe's okay but i think maybe i mean that's you but no i'm with you

01:44:20.700 i'm with i love flowers on first dates that's i mean shows different i mean i think it's a good

01:44:24.860 courtesy anyway it's not mandatory for everyone but i think me personally that's what i like

01:44:31.740 have you ever brought a woman oh you don't talk about your personal i've never uh i don't really do

01:44:36.620 that i wouldn't do that i can talk about it but uh well i mean i can talk about what can you talk

01:44:42.620 about with your personality so i mean when it comes to the flower thing uh no i don't think i've

01:44:46.620 ever did it in like dances at school i would like bring flowers it's too extra exactly well i'm not

01:44:52.860 trying to look like a love love like i'd love also like if you're going on a first date with someone

01:44:57.180 i feel like you're trying to figure out if they're a good person or not if that's something you want

01:45:01.180 to like continue and pursue and if it's like not like why are you bringing flowers getting to know

01:45:06.620 each other i ain't doing that it's simp shit it's simp shit like if we were if if we were

01:45:12.140 you like simps for a little while let me just say this if we were in a more traditional social order

01:45:16.700 when it came to both men and women like men and women have to hold up their ends of the bargain

01:45:23.020 on both ends i'm not gonna go like let's say i'm here's the here's the current dating meta for the

01:45:28.380 vast majority of people who are single and dating going into a first date as a guy i've got to assume that

01:45:35.260 that that girl let's say i meet her certainly if i meet her on a dating app i'm going into that

01:45:39.260 date assuming she's dating multiple men she's probably sleeping with one two three other dudes

01:45:44.620 i'm not getting flowers for that chick you're another dude you don't get flowers point blank

01:45:49.580 period if you want tradition if you want traditional treatment as a woman uh step one

01:45:54.860 don't be another dude on our first date why do you automatically assume that that's the dating

01:46:00.380 meta that's how people move if you're on a dating app that's kind of that's safe to assume

01:46:05.100 and also be super naive to be like she only messaged me right she only wants to go out with

01:46:10.700 me to the date and i've got to get flowers also i don't think you really like simps you like the

01:46:15.740 idea of simps and then when they simp you go oh this guy's a fucking clown but also it's just like

01:46:20.140 what the idea is also we can't keep using autism as a it's really crazy it's pretty it's pretty

01:46:25.340 it's just it's pretty insensitive i think it's not insensitive people have autism and you're saying

01:46:30.620 ugh don't be autistic yeah that's an insult you're using it as a slur i think don't be

01:46:34.300 autistic obviously we all date autistic people are definitely a lot smarter than normal people but

01:46:39.420 yeah but they're just weird i don't know okay not really no disavow yeah oh sorry go ahead mia

01:46:45.900 if you're entering on a first date yes it'd be flattering to get flowers and chocolates and

01:46:51.020 balloons and whatever else or fucking birkin i don't fucking know but i think it's very

01:46:55.340 selfish to expect that okay not only did we maybe both plan a first date but now in addition to

01:47:04.060 agreeing to going on a first date i will be getting a gift exactly i'm not making i'm not saying it's

01:47:08.620 mandatory no i understand that but i'm just saying just like as you can kind of see that mind light

01:47:13.580 like obviously you're getting gifted a flower but also when you're going on a first date too like

01:47:20.140 what are you bringing to the other person exactly no that's what i'm saying like to me i think

01:47:24.940 an introduction to anybody i didn't bring anybody flowers exactly obviously this is like a meeting

01:47:29.980 and we're having a conversation so obviously flattery is great too as well to introduce

01:47:34.300 introduce yourself but i think on a date where it's like you guys are barely getting to know

01:47:37.660 each other especially off a fucking app right i don't need to bring you a fucking condom too

01:47:41.500 no let's do a little fucking this is what we're doing that's a good point mia and i look i think

01:47:47.580 opening the door paying for dates gifts flowers providing these are reserved for women who are worthy of

01:47:53.340 them just like women are not obliged to sleep with men on first the first date so too are men not

01:47:59.980 obliged to immediately provide for you on the first date especially if you're entertaining multiple

01:48:06.380 options especially if you're entertaining multiple options you're dating multiple dudes

01:48:10.620 maybe you're even sleeping with other men that's the dating meta that's the way a lot of

01:48:15.100 i'm not saying you but like that's the way a lot of people move and also just be honest

01:48:18.940 yeah like if you're talking to other people cardi b has really made women's lives more difficult

01:48:25.980 by saying things like we're the best they should chase us they should like us they should buy me

01:48:29.740 stuff i deserve it by pumping this kind of stuff up it just makes you sad and go no one's doing this

01:48:35.420 for me so i must be low value or something and then also like if a nice guy who just really thinks

01:48:40.620 you're cool and wants to be with you you're gonna go but he's not doing all these things that i was

01:48:44.540 told a guy and then now you're chasing all these great guys out of your life because he's not doing

01:48:48.460 these both things i'm not saying i wouldn't talk to them because of that but i'm saying me personally

01:48:51.660 like every like pretty much every guy if i went on a date or dated them like yeah like i they've done

01:48:58.460 something like that like or i'm not saying they all brought me chocolates and flowers but like

01:49:02.300 i mean they paid the bill like they didn't look at me to pay they asked me to pay like i didn't do

01:49:07.020 they didn't say oh do you want to pay half and half but did it last yeah i got in a relationship

01:49:11.580 well i think that is the tradition i mean that is the traditional move for the guy to pay for the

01:49:15.180 first date but when you when you say like treating or spoiling to be spoiled uh i think in a relationship

01:49:23.340 i'd spoil my kids or her kids but me and her to be in love like it's like we should be able to go to

01:49:30.780 a lake and have doritos exactly i don't care how much stuff you get out of it and i know that uh men

01:49:37.740 actually want to provide for someone if they actually care about them and love them i'm not saying

01:49:40.700 like oh i just met them and i want them to provide a spot i'm just saying do you consider yourself a

01:49:46.060 traditional woman yes yes okay that's cool um traditional wait hold on do we do the hold

01:49:58.540 wait a second do we do the instagram wait did you you deleted something from your instagram before

01:50:06.940 uh is it you're traditional traditional what are you looking at my instagram i'm looking at the

01:50:16.940 instagram doesn't look all that traditional to me just saying andrew don't you have something on this

01:50:24.060 you haven't talked for a while andrew you still there yeah yeah no i'm still here i was just um

01:50:29.580 do we kind of patiently listening through this uh this debacle uh what does her instagram say

01:50:35.340 it doesn't say anything but there are some there's some here's my ass photos kind of that sort of

01:50:45.900 like here's my titties a little a little bit i mean not totally you know uh

01:50:54.700 i've you know i've seen more revealing nurse stuff you know nurse nurse things nurse i swear there was

01:51:01.660 like i think you took one down before the show but there was there was definitely one that was

01:51:08.380 what would uh what would you say makes you traditional

01:51:12.860 husband's last name you take husband's last name yeah i feel like i would um what's the word i'm

01:51:18.220 looking for like be submissive i can be i'll be submissive if i'm treated right if the man is

01:51:23.900 providing for me like i feel like in that way like i'm traditional don't the man earns it yes

01:51:31.660 that comment is that is that the is that the answer if the man earns it you'll then you'll be

01:51:36.380 submissive what do you mean what do you mean by earns it well so i'm trying to figure out what the

01:51:43.260 qualification is because i think that you're what's called conditionally traditional so you're

01:51:48.860 traditional with conditions when what traditionalism means is that you're following a tradition even if

01:51:55.740 it's against your preferences so it sounds like you prefer this if the conditions are met

01:52:04.860 um i guess i can i add something sure of course i think like with instagrams and stuff like

01:52:13.820 i wish that young people would realize like that's your you're fishing with that the internet isn't real

01:52:19.100 i would know but no but it is real it's real enough that these you think you can put things on your

01:52:23.740 instagram and they go well what i wasn't putting out anything no that's what you're fishing with

01:52:28.300 you think a nice guy's gonna pop around and go like oh this is like a woman that i would respect

01:52:32.860 we all like it i love i'm a big tit guy i love hot chicks you know i'm into it i'm just as much he's

01:52:38.380 into it i like taco bell as much as i like a five-star restaurant but my point is you can't fish with

01:52:43.180 these things and then be surprised the fish you're catching yeah i would say i feel like i have gotten to

01:52:49.900 like serious relationships where i'm treated right and i met people off instagram before so i mean i

01:52:55.100 think it's just different for everybody right oh you did mention there was some celebrity hookups

01:52:59.660 it sounded like did you want to maybe talk about any of those no okay well we can pull up we can pull

01:53:07.500 up the instagram right well nick i said i said uh nick just pull up our instagram and go to chat uh the

01:53:13.820 chat it's the very first one i just linked it in the uh in the chat there while you guys do that

01:53:19.740 guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have one twitch.tv

01:53:26.620 whatever if you have amazon prime you can link it to your twitch it's a quick free easy way to support

01:53:32.220 the show every single i have a quick question for you brian yeah of course of course okay so

01:53:38.300 i've heard a lot on this show different women say that they have hooked up with various celebrities

01:53:44.140 but they never seem to tell us who the celebrities are that they got together with or things like that

01:53:50.460 i feel like if it was men who were on the show they would tell us they'd say i hooked up with mariah

01:53:55.420 you know they would tell us what do you think the motivation is behind the women not telling us

01:54:00.940 who these celebrities are because they're full of shit i i don't think it's that they're full of

01:54:05.500 shit i think it's just like being discreet and discretion and obviously respecting these people's

01:54:09.900 privacy and some maybe there's the ndas there could even be ndas involved some of these

01:54:14.780 fucking justin bieber that motherfucker has chicks sign ndas and shit so if they're famous enough

01:54:20.620 they can get away with the nda yeah so there's it could be that there's also an element of we'd start

01:54:26.380 criticizing whether they're a real celebrity or not you start playing that game like oh really this tiktok

01:54:32.380 streamers the celebrity you have it you have it okay let's pull up the ig respecting like their

01:54:37.820 privacy this is kyra's instagram we'll scroll down a little bit nick a little smaller on the video

01:54:45.180 no no no no no no us us smaller oh my yeah bigger if the ass is in water it doesn't count there was

01:54:57.660 i swear there was another photo uh scroll down wait click on the first i mean this is the last

01:55:03.420 one i mean yeah click click yeah put put us oh is there oh we don't have a smaller one on the other

01:55:09.660 side huh can you just tie this for a sec okay that there's that one x slay and then there's the the red

01:55:18.780 dress one yeah there's out i mean it's not i've just seen worse you know i don't know if it's

01:55:25.660 traditional i think you can click you can be a red flag like there's only eight pictures up here

01:55:32.700 x out that'd make me have that is um what we call traditionally a skank that's uh traditionally what

01:55:39.100 that's that's mean that's crazy and it's not referred to as a traditional woman

01:55:44.940 like there's no traditional woman who would put those pics up what what what in the world would

01:55:51.100 be traditional about that you guys begged her to come back and yeah no no come on like if you want

01:55:56.460 to talk about this we can talk about oh i didn't that's not i want to come back to argue and then

01:56:01.340 like to just be on the podcast that's andrew this is gonna be on that's andrew this is me you're right

01:56:06.300 you're right sorry so that's kind of like pictures don't like well also just like what like just

01:56:13.260 because she's posting like hot pictures of herself what does it mean anything about

01:56:17.260 her character well okay when it comes to being traditional one aspect of traditionalism or being

01:56:23.500 traditional is is hold on is modesty in appearance and character so you're and then also like what

01:56:31.900 you're putting out there publicly okay modesty is a component of traditionalism but also you have

01:56:38.220 to take into account the way that the internet is today that's which is a very non-traditional

01:56:44.140 like yeah degenerate we didn't have pictures pictures didn't exist when traditionalism was

01:56:49.740 invented and also you know please did you miss that next traditionalism invented say that again

01:56:56.860 but like the way that things are i mean it wasn't like so one day someone was like it's going to be

01:57:00.940 like this but like yeah but sex we didn't have iphones at least but like i'm just saying you're

01:57:07.500 what are you doing what do you mean what do you mean if you can talk so you're not going to rejoin the

01:57:13.180 panel how long has she been up for not that long five minutes like stop crying but yo yo i'm not crying

01:57:22.300 but like there's a certain level of decorum that you need to adhere to on the podcast it's it's not

01:57:28.700 there's not going to be a negotiation of i will get to sit back down when i get to talk please join

01:57:34.060 the panel what you literally said you literally said i will rejoin the panel when i get to talk

01:57:41.420 that's not how this goes will you will you kind that is am i am i making this up is that exactly

01:57:47.740 what she said that's literally exactly verbatim what you said i'm kindly asking if you will please

01:57:53.580 rejoin the panel so we don't have people walking around in the background kindly please

01:58:02.540 god bro this is a fucking child care jesus christ

01:58:05.820 fucking daycare tonight um can we talk about decorum because um

01:58:14.780 you like i think it's kind of rude to like have people come that you're just meeting and they're your

01:58:20.460 guests like you're hosting and i didn't feel like you were as kind as you could have been before the

01:58:25.740 podcast started how's your decorum when you meet people i mean you didn't introduce yourself i'm

01:58:30.860 busy i'm busy doing other things i'm not too busy to say hello yes too busy to say hello to say help

01:58:37.340 to say hello your guests you could have been from across the room like hey guys hey sorry i'm super

01:58:42.220 busy how are you guys yeah no excuse or anything you walked in you ignored every speaking of decorum

01:58:47.900 speaking of decorum coming from you before the show you said

01:58:54.780 i am here come get me dude i'm hungry please respond or i will go get a sam sandwich and we

01:59:01.100 said be down in a moment and then you said it's like not that hard to answer the door i kind of

01:59:06.700 feel disrespected and don't know how much longer i'm gonna wait um we have there's a lot of moving

01:59:12.860 parts to this podcast madison are one of our helpers she's out sick nick has some stuff going

01:59:19.660 on too there's a lot of moving parts we had a ton of people flake today yeah we weren't able to get to

01:59:24.700 the door immediately to let you win that's not by the way that's common that's common i've been on the

01:59:31.100 podcast multiple times and uh they haven't always been able to start right on time that's uh that's very

01:59:37.100 common for a podcast like this was he supposed to roll out the red carpet and kiss your asses is that

01:59:41.980 what is that what you're saying i also don't talk to my guests before my podcast just because i don't

01:59:46.380 want to have anything that we could have used on the thing yeah can i can i ask a question so and

01:59:51.900 andrew god that's all i'm saying andrew you have your own podcast do you have guests on your podcast

01:59:57.420 when you when you all the time yeah so whenever they come in do you ever when they come into your

02:00:02.540 space or studio do you say hello to them nick who is my i'm just i'm asking him can you chill

02:00:08.860 no but you're trying to attack you're trying to no you're trying to stop interrupting you're

02:00:14.300 trying to you interrupted me yes once again once again i am the host the air go i have yes as the

02:00:22.540 host of the podcast can you answer the question when you have a moment do you say hello to your

02:00:27.500 guests when they come on and be totally honest you know okay so i'll tell you the distinction

02:00:31.500 it's coming soon like if i were brian i would have already kicked off half of you that's that's

02:00:36.380 how good he is and how bad i am at my job i would already kick most of you if you were if you were

02:00:41.740 do you say hello to your guests when they come on i'll tell you this much i'm asking andrew doesn't

02:00:46.460 andrew i my understanding is andrew doesn't have an in-person podcast no that's correct i don't have

02:00:51.180 also i do podcast nick nick there i have an agent nick is my agent he greets you on my behalf i am busy

02:01:00.620 on your behalf well and also i don't need hold on check yourself i don't need the attitude it's

02:01:06.220 been all night with you relax no you've come in with a very nasty attitude you have been like

02:01:11.740 this no i haven't no i haven't you've been very nasty no i have yes you have not yes you have no i

02:01:19.180 think you're just hypersensitive what does 304 mean it's coming okay i just personally think like

02:01:26.940 i understand where you're coming from because you run a podcast and you're like trying to like

02:01:31.580 because we got here an hour before the live stream started right so you're like you're trying to figure

02:01:36.300 out what's going to happen what like your points are and all this stuff so you don't really have time

02:01:40.140 to say hi to people and like how you're saying like he is very like oh hi like i didn't feel

02:01:45.020 disrespected at all i appreciate that thank you he gave me tortilla chips so that that guy

02:01:50.860 we we have complimentary food we have drinks we provide you guys with waters it's not to be debated

02:01:56.780 it's fun i'm like i don't know why we're getting into the meta of my conduct before the podcast i don't

02:02:03.340 think it's rude for me to be heavily bear in mind we had a ton of flakes tonight i don't want to get

02:02:08.300 into that people are running late i'm trying to to operate a a smooth show okay and when people

02:02:16.140 cancel people are late right you're you're wicked look at how she's smiling right now this chick's

02:02:22.780 wicked well this is your job though right this yes this is my job in the ship that's all yeah also i

02:02:29.260 keep in mind when it came to if you were to go to a certain miami podcast you would have been kicked

02:02:36.060 off already and the guy the main host he doesn't talk he you don't even see him until the moment

02:02:42.300 the show starts he's in another have you been on fnf no i just i know how like things were no my the

02:02:49.100 main host he doesn't talk to anybody before the show i i talked to some of you've been on fnf no i

02:02:54.700 haven't but i have a lot of people that i know i think like i came in here i didn't expect to have

02:03:00.060 the conversation prior i've worked on a lot of podcasts and streams at the end of the day

02:03:03.820 we're working together it's not like hey besties hey friends like any of that yeah this i ain't

02:03:08.540 your friend it's a little crooked because you and i we had spoken before hold on you and i you and i

02:03:14.300 we spoke outside we were like totally bonded and when we got in here you and i sat on the couch

02:03:19.980 together and we both acknowledged like oh he has kind of a weird energy didn't even say any of us so

02:03:25.340 now you're like i'm not pitter-pattering all i'm saying is yeah like it's he had two other people

02:03:30.700 greet us that's nice they must be of your assistance of some sort i'm not saying that

02:03:34.780 it's necessarily rude i'm just saying but you did say it was rude on the couch this is the most

02:03:38.700 meta conversation that's like totally unrelated i'm good let's change it all i'm saying is at the

02:03:44.060 end of the day in his perspective in the way that he's presenting himself i'm stating it is

02:03:48.940 understandably so that he wouldn't interact with us because at the end of the day we're not friends

02:03:53.100 we're just meeting each other we're literally calling on this podcast and having a conversation

02:03:56.940 online so it's nothing personal hey guys i didn't mean like roll out the red carpet as you said

02:04:02.780 like you took what i said which is i didn't get a high and you can i'm not obliged this is how women

02:04:07.100 view things i'm not obliged to come and say hi to you why didn't i could just flip this on you why

02:04:12.140 didn't any of you say hi to me i did say hello and you're busy that's very true no you didn't know that

02:04:17.820 he's busy yeah he was in a game yeah i did say you guys did you not see how hectic it was before

02:04:24.220 and like getting everything set up yes sorry sorry that i did not engage you in a five minute

02:04:29.820 bullshit fucking conversation i don't want to ask for that i don't i don't want to talk to you for

02:04:33.900 five minutes i walked in i said hey i was who i was sitting over here what are you talking about

02:04:40.380 and i walked in i go hey like i was so excited who did you say hi to i was over here i'm not even

02:04:45.420 visible to that i was i went to the kitchen island i don't get to it guys okay i said hi

02:04:50.940 i was very excited coming i still am very excited to come here and i am extremely thankful really

02:04:55.740 genuinely i like what you do i really do i think you're really i think you're i think you're

02:05:02.940 controversial you get people's blood boiling and i think i i'm addicted to a lot of your content i

02:05:10.220 think you're extremely i think you're obnoxious thank you for the endorsement though i'll put that on

02:05:13.820 my i'll put that on my uh your resume thank you that's that's wonderful um okay so thank god bro

02:05:23.900 they're fucking imagine being married to this woman the nagging i i'm not even dating this woman i'm not

02:05:29.260 your boyfriend you don't you're not going to come on my podcast and nag me about oh you were not acting

02:05:35.980 in a way that i wanted you to act and you didn't greet me in the precise way that i would i would have

02:05:41.900 like to have been greeted i didn't even say any of that i'm sure you drive i would imagine you drive

02:05:48.300 your boyfriends crazy do you like you're nagging me i'm not even your dude like imagine the dude that

02:05:55.580 you date holy fuck bro brian brian listen you're such a control freak why couldn't you just let her get

02:06:01.900 a sandwich brian why couldn't you just let her get a sandwich oh that was her that was her no she

02:06:08.700 went and got a sandwich she came up with a sandwich you thought that was real also i don't want to pick

02:06:14.460 on anybody but you did say i've never even heard of this podcast and if i don't like it i'll leave

02:06:19.980 that was your words and i did hear that and you guys asked me the questions like i work here i don't

02:06:25.100 work here i know i'm 80 but uh i don't work here it's all right but just if we're gonna all talk

02:06:32.940 about this which i'm surprised we're talking about i respect you enough to not do that now that i know

02:06:37.900 you do what leave okay good she donated two hundred dollars this is the problem with modern women

02:06:46.300 they lack humility emotional control and proper manners in a public setting but they're hot

02:06:55.100 it basically turned into a what about ism like she i was like yo you're standing back there

02:07:02.460 and you're i will rejoin the table when it's when i have an opportunity to speak that was my

02:07:08.940 criticism then you felt the need to like okay let's address this alleged or imagined or supposed

02:07:15.900 grievance before the show i didn't know you're not i didn't bring i didn't well i think it's an

02:07:20.860 imagined grievance but it's true that i did not imagine because i spoke to multiple girls on the

02:07:25.660 show and they also the same thing multiple girls last time what do you mean like from this show yes

02:07:31.660 no not you okay which girl objected to me not saying hi to you because there she came she arrived

02:07:38.940 at 5 p.m she was late there's mia here there's her me and i were outside okay and all that i stated

02:07:45.260 inside when i entered hi the studio was i immediately went to the restroom you immediately

02:07:50.860 went in here if we're gonna say he said she said what she yeah all that stuff i actually went to the

02:07:54.700 restroom before i could even see if anybody greeted one another and i think you three were actually in

02:07:59.980 here and i was like okay i come out of the restroom you say oh he hasn't greeted anybody i see has

02:08:03.820 anything been done i say that's all that's all i said doesn't mean that i'm saying oh he's a terrible

02:08:07.740 fucking man any of that stuff definitely not that you're saying that but i'm just saying like i

02:08:12.460 didn't yeah yeah when you go to a tv show or a podcast or even your friend's house or a house

02:08:17.340 party or anything you're just kind of assessing the social situation yeah it's all it is and everything

02:08:22.140 can be different and then you also sometimes think yourself well maybe this is normal for this

02:08:25.660 like it's crazy we're even debating it's it's i hit some chips talk to those

02:08:30.380 fucking clowns over there they were nice guys and obviously he's in work mode so i'm going hey let

02:08:35.100 brian cook i've seen what he does on the show so i'll get to meet him on the show and i will say

02:08:38.940 it is a podcast standard maybe not yours and maybe not whatever if i have three podcasts and the

02:08:43.180 etiquette on ours is if i start talking to her before the show she'll be like oh and i went to

02:08:47.420 this movie with this guy and he's like and then i go oh well but and he wants to save a bucket yeah

02:08:52.060 because when you try to recreate that moment organically it feels all

02:08:55.420 bullshit i'm like damn it we should have had that on the pod yeah but and i'm a talker so i don't shut

02:09:00.060 up and i'm not the i'm not as motivated or as successful as him because i don't get

02:09:03.820 shit done before the podcast well you're also missing a key element which is that you're not a

02:09:07.820 spoiled brat so that that's also i was about to get mad what do you mean i'm missing a key element

02:09:14.220 no uh no i i didn't i don't want to uh i don't want private conversation because i'm totally agree i

02:09:20.220 think that if you were to have a conversation if you were to have seen me and said hey what are you

02:09:23.260 doing where'd you come from what did it it would have probably progressed into something i don't

02:09:26.940 want to have a conversation that's what the podcast is for why would i want to have a conversation a

02:09:31.740 hello would do yeah he was just busy i'm saying everyone he's just he's just i drove like 15

02:09:37.820 hours to be here and i haven't once said anything and like some people some people got up and because

02:09:44.940 they weren't getting any attention or i haven't spoken i haven't spoken at all and i'm not once like

02:09:49.820 you haven't i haven't once spoke like i haven't got enough amount of energy but you're hot

02:09:54.460 i'm gonna keep going back to that i think i think um my my i'll just say this

02:10:02.220 is when i had spoken up you had looked at me go you've you've done enough talking so i went okay

02:10:09.260 so like did i say that i don't remember i don't think i said yes you did yes i'll take thanks for

02:10:14.700 never happened for 200 hours i'm i but it did but listen there's a lot of conversation going on

02:10:21.340 i don't think i said i don't remember that i don't think i said you were like okay the attention will

02:10:25.740 come back to you like something's gonna happen so whatever and i and then i stayed quiet so that's

02:10:31.260 what i'm saying is like whenever i feel like an organically can come in the conversation i would

02:10:35.180 love to enter back in i just i don't know where i'm welcome to speak without being told i can't yo

02:10:41.100 the gentlemen who are watching the solipsism yo you don't need to fucking mock me

02:10:50.220 what's your deal like if i'm speaking you don't need to repeat the words in which i just said in

02:10:56.140 a mocking condescending way can i also say that it's peak female entitlement that we've spent 30

02:11:02.700 minutes arguing about you didn't say hi to me brian i agree andrew i don't want to acknowledge that

02:11:06.860 the solipsism is on what i was going to say this is solipsism on display it's all me me me i'm the

02:11:14.540 center of the universe so okay i have a question for you though to give you a little bit of attention

02:11:19.500 and i'll ask all the other girls here at the table um you're a feminist um let's see

02:11:27.580 are you asking me i'm sorry i don't know who you're looking you're asking yes i'm talking to you

02:11:31.420 um you consider yourself a feminist do you consider yourself liberal in your politics not

02:11:38.300 at all okay definitely more conservative leaning for sure okay i think i think technically be

02:11:44.380 libertarian would you prefer the world without men never do you think that you can be uh racist

02:11:50.780 against white people yes do you think you can be sexist against men yes okay anybody else i want

02:11:57.820 to go around the table on that actually can you be racist towards white people can you be sexist

02:12:01.020 against men starting with i guess you yeah you know my views on all that i just assume you'd be

02:12:06.540 right yeah prototypical you know well i mean i've um i guess i'm pretty typical go ahead if i can yeah

02:12:12.940 go ahead yes i can be both sexist towards them go ahead what was the question

02:12:23.580 do you think things go both ways do you think men can be treated sexistly do you think you can be

02:12:27.900 racist to white people do you find yourself can you be racist towards white people can you be sexist

02:12:34.620 towards men can you scoot into the table a little bit so you can get like you can huh

02:12:43.660 i'm gonna go why are you gonna go i just don't i just feel like disrespected by the other guy which

02:12:51.500 other guy andrew how what before you before you leave how did he disrespect you because he called

02:12:58.060 me he called me a name i don't know what did he i think what did you call skank andrew do you want

02:13:04.460 to apologize andrew can you do you want to apologize god if you're uncomfortable then um absolutely under

02:13:11.340 no circumstances i stand by exactly what i said do me a favor just get up just leave you haven't

02:13:17.100 contributed anything so just leave donated two hundred dollars the girl in pink has it

02:13:24.140 i'm taking her out of the description common side of genital herpes affecting hip to waist ratio and

02:13:30.460 metabolism offended this is a contagious she was i mean she wanted she's been wanting to leave for a

02:13:37.820 while she's a little bit she's a little more sensitive look that's that's fair i was obviously we're

02:13:44.460 we're teasing teasing back and forth but she but she was she clearly wanted to it's good no she

02:13:49.740 already wanted to leave i i tried to wrangle her back and you did effectively yes i did wrangle her

02:13:54.620 back i tried it's funny because she was like oh i don't feel like i'm part of the conversation

02:13:59.020 i direct all of the attention of the conversation onto her and then she

02:14:04.540 well i don't know if i want to talk there's a weird thing happening with that bro this panel tonight

02:14:08.940 is honestly one of the worst we've had oh i'm so sorry sorry hey nick let's pull out let's

02:14:14.860 fucking throw key jeff would you be down to move that chair and let's have kiki join the panel

02:14:19.500 because truthfully keith kiki will be more will contribute more to this conversation

02:14:25.260 than will that woman in the pink

02:14:26.780 she was sweet welcome kiki you're going to contribute far more to this conversation than

02:14:36.220 that woman i'll be right back thank you stop she was she was a sweet girl i knew you'd defend her i

02:14:44.300 just knew i'm not saying i knew you would just take the opposite of whatever happens here she's sweet

02:14:48.780 i just there was also just like no conversation it was just like i don't i don't know maybe she didn't

02:14:54.140 expect to be asked certain things i don't know and now we have somebody crying out what the

02:14:59.340 is going on tonight i think she's yeah she's the the the her she's crying okay i don't know what

02:15:05.740 is happening okay so what is happening tonight jesus christ i blame me if she's crying i don't

02:15:11.420 blame you i'll just go i'm just i'll just say everyone is leaving that's very crazy she's been

02:15:16.380 making so much commentary about her being 19 nobody else has made that comment no ever and then she

02:15:22.860 initially said is that what she's upset about no i don't know i don't know it's like i think it's

02:15:26.860 so ironic that she's been saying oh she's 19 and asking like oh is there like but i just don't

02:15:31.980 for that i just don't understand why like people came on this podcast expecting to not have a

02:15:36.700 conversation yeah like no one's gonna agree with your i want i want to say this every single girl

02:15:43.100 we need to put a microphone out there honestly no every

02:15:46.860 so i appreciate you guys for having i don't even think you guys have thick skin but this is like

02:15:57.100 truthfully this is we've had way it's literally just a conversation it hasn't even been that heavy

02:16:03.180 but like every single girl that's on this panel uh requested to be on the show correct so it's like

02:16:08.860 it's one thing if you didn't know what you're getting into but like every single girl reached out

02:16:12.540 to us first right to be on the show especially that girl and she was she was an hour late oh

02:16:18.540 yeah and we delayed sorry guys that's why we started late she was she arrived at like 5 p.m

02:16:24.460 we tell the girls to be there at 4 p.m all these other women were very kind they were very punctual

02:16:29.100 actually i'm also not offended that you didn't say hi to me like i just like i felt bad like i'm not

02:16:34.700 gonna lie yes she did say that like oh like he didn't say hi to us and i did agree i was like okay

02:16:39.660 yeah but you're working all but like and i was just being friendly and like i was being friendly

02:16:43.180 equally as to you because we're still gonna have the conversation right yeah absolutely not agree

02:16:47.580 with any of my like i don't expect to come here and be like besties with you like right away like

02:16:51.500 no and it's we're having a conversation we're just gonna have a light conversation if i get to

02:16:54.300 introduce myself oh wait are you uh oh just using the bathroom okay all right you okay all right

02:17:01.420 uh was she okay what's going on you're a horrible person why is he a horrible person

02:17:06.460 no i don't think you're okay is that just hyperbole i think she's uh was i hyperbolic it's

02:17:13.100 yeah i think that you know like i said i you you think you antagonized her and specifically yeah

02:17:22.700 she hasn't even been involved in the conversation for she was like she was she was involved in the

02:17:27.260 conversation for the first half and you were she's on the podcast she was this is how these things work

02:17:31.500 i'm 100 so she had a delayed a a one hour later uh that i mean i i'll let her speak for herself

02:17:39.820 exactly exactly i just wanted a break um can you sit can you can you sit please can you sit

02:17:47.020 i just like need a little break it's i've never been in a situation like this before and i will defend

02:17:51.900 myself when i get back um but i would prefer if you didn't um talk about me while i can't defend myself

02:17:57.660 yeah that's fine but wait wait wait but what situation like we weren't none of the conversation

02:18:03.660 was even directed at you yeah i've just never i've never been on a podcast before so i've never

02:18:09.100 experienced looking at a screen that insults me no who i don't even know the messages we don't

02:18:17.660 it would pop up the messages would pop up the girl in black i'm also i mean we told you before

02:18:24.220 the show we told you before the show i'm not hold on hold on just let me let me say this so

02:18:28.460 maybe this might be uh encouraging we told you before the show the internet is anonymous right

02:18:34.700 it is like people are toxic on the internet the chat can be toxic in any community whether whether

02:18:41.260 it's a girl who listen we granted we have a controversial show but you could go to like a

02:18:45.980 someone a girl who's like streaming video games and the chat's gonna be toxic like they're talks it's

02:18:51.660 the internet it's anonymous people are gonna be toxic don't take it seriously like they're

02:18:55.820 this is kind of almost the reaction some of these people want is to get a rise out of you i didn't

02:18:59.820 want to come back and then you told me to come sit down because i didn't want to know that i don't

02:19:03.900 well i don't know what they say but i'd be happy to hey if you want to take a break take it yeah i just

02:19:08.460 wanted a fucking break so just don't talk about me and then we can talk about it later that's fine

02:19:13.340 i know it's not i know it's not um 100 logical because i know what you said is true

02:19:17.340 um it's just an emotional reaction i mean it's still i almost feel like it might be no but i

02:19:22.140 think you're strong like you're a strong individual i think it might even be better like the stronger

02:19:26.700 move for us to just continue on with the conversation and work through it i mean like i definitely

02:19:32.300 understand like the internet is very like toxic but i'm not gonna cry in front of incels i'm not

02:19:37.740 i'm not asking you whoa okay no it's fine if she wants to have a break but it's rude to

02:19:45.900 you're only inviting if you're gonna call them incels it's only inviting more further animosity

02:19:54.060 towards you uh but at the beginning of the the podcast i was here uh as i have been many times

02:20:01.900 listening to the rules and listening to how it goes and i remember each one of the guests was

02:20:06.460 prepped by being told hey the chat's going to be mean correct that's the way that they operate

02:20:12.380 so i mean you kind of knew what you're getting into that's the internet literally 100 she's also 19

02:20:17.740 years old she also requested to be on you keep saying i agree and i will always keep saying that

02:20:25.100 and i will always say that no she's not she's an adult on a podcast you're dismissing her like

02:20:34.620 she's a five-year-old i'm not but just because she's 19 regardless of her age what were you at 19

02:20:40.220 what were you this is a prediction regardless of her age she was prefaced just as each and every

02:20:44.780 single one of us was that do not look at the chat if you willingly look at the chat and there is

02:20:49.260 no chat we don't even either and even if she did do so willingly which she obviously did

02:20:55.020 that is fine as did i as did all of us because we have laughed and giggled at it right just

02:20:59.180 remember it is a lie or it is just jackasses on the internet who are just trying to put you down

02:21:04.620 okay okay understandably unless they compliment you then hold it they're complimenting titties and

02:21:10.380 everything else it's fine we're if it's a compliment take it if you'd like but at the end of the day

02:21:14.140 she was prefaced that's all it actually was and it's also just there's one thing that you will never

02:21:18.540 meet there's one thing to preface there's one thing to experience she's not if i was 19 if i was 19 years

02:21:23.820 old on this podcast i would kill myself or excuse me okay well that's crazy oh my god i can't say

02:21:30.940 that i can't say that word i'm sorry i was just exaggerating i would uh not exaggerating i i would

02:21:36.860 be so hyper sensitive over opinions on the internet that you don't know thousand percent and that's how

02:21:42.220 a lot of answer your question jeff this has been one of the here we go this is women women women

02:21:49.420 worst it that's not even what he was saying i would say this has probably been one of the more

02:21:55.980 complicated shows we've we've had i mean typically most people like i would like obviously we get

02:22:02.940 into debates and disagreements on the show but most of the time even despite getting into debates

02:22:08.460 and disagreements the show runs otherwise fairly smoothly for example pink girl here like most girls

02:22:14.460 they get up if they need to go to the bathroom they go to the bathroom they come back they

02:22:17.740 continue on with the conversation there's not this whole like um i asked to be on the show but i'm not

02:22:23.260 getting enough attention so i think i want to leave and then oh no come back oh i don't want to talk

02:22:28.460 about anything as well okay lady um but also i need to give her attention now because

02:22:33.340 as she said yeah you haven't said anything see this is this is a wonderful woman here because

02:22:39.820 she's not had an opportunity to really say much but she's being courteous and listening to not just

02:22:45.820 me but to everybody here and not making a fit when she's not getting enough words in so

02:22:52.140 that's a really good attitude doesn't she really good at docile submissive very sweet

02:22:57.020 what no not submissive and sweet just a good attitude right good a good attitude i feel like

02:23:03.660 you think we can only like things if it's bad no even when we gave her a compliment you you saw

02:23:09.740 it you saw it as some sort of sarcastic thing you think that's a bad meaning i think you've got some

02:23:16.140 very negative undertones wrong like the fact that we compliment her on listening and saying we want

02:23:20.780 to talk to her you go oh yeah you guys just like it because she's being docile and submissive that's

02:23:24.380 a good attitude wrong and wrong no she's solipsistic that's it she's solipsistic he learned this word

02:23:29.740 two days ago he heard the word solid solipsism two days ago she can't you constantly feel the need

02:23:38.700 tell me tell me please do you know what solipsism means tell us what solipsism means hell no i don't

02:23:44.060 know what that is so i'm asking you yeah you don't know you don't know but you say he just heard it

02:23:48.060 two days ago you don't even know what you're talking exactly so where did you learn it okay

02:23:51.020 or you learned it's six but if you don't know what it means then why are you even debating here

02:23:56.220 here's i want to do an analysis here we keep like breaking down into this like meta of like

02:24:02.940 i say something and then we must analyze what was said and it totally derails the conversation

02:24:08.620 i'm gonna ask the entire panel i'm not gonna call anybody out specifically

02:24:12.780 can we not get into like a meta conversation about like the the underlying let's just like

02:24:22.380 have a flow to the conversation please so dj alert go no this that's like literally exactly what i'm

02:24:31.260 talking about i'm going no but like if if somebody says something you don't need to like add a little

02:24:37.020 quip oh let me add a little quip i won't talk i won't talk that's not daddy i'm just being more

02:24:43.340 rude i'm i'm having manners and being respectful exactly i won't talk no but it's just like every

02:24:49.020 little comment you can be good yeah you can be good i won't talk no but even even the way you're

02:24:54.140 saying that is like this sort of like condescending like bratty just be like oh my bad here oh my bad

02:24:59.420 god you're constantly interrupting tell me i'm trying to do it right teach me i'm sorry i'm dumb

02:25:06.620 woman oh this is what that's what he means by this is you don't need these constant quips is this how

02:25:13.260 you talk to people in reality do you do you say you just learned that word two days ago or you're

02:25:18.060 just kind of a brat the whole time you're right you think we can engage in a good faith combo i'm so

02:25:21.740 sorry okay i'll go like the the what a normal person might do is like oh shoot my bad okay no worries

02:25:28.140 oh shoot my bad i'm so sorry my work my sorry words i mean she's not even being good faith now

02:25:33.820 so okay totally i completely don't believe her at all it's okay so um for you uh dj ashley

02:25:42.620 registered nurse professional dj professional model entrepreneur you said in your pre-show notes to us

02:25:48.140 that you provided you were uh forced to become a nurse in my ex-boyfriend request at the end of my

02:25:56.140 semester of finishing i got cheated on with a co-worker that i wasn't supposed to worry about

02:26:02.060 even after finding evidence of him cheating like restaurant receipts secret notes inside his car

02:26:07.740 is there any reason you're covering your mouth like that is it like are you mocking me because

02:26:11.820 you're like oh he told me not no no no sorry it's like a probably like a nervous chick's so bad

02:26:17.660 faith okay okay can you please at least let me finish this part with her okay psycho

02:26:24.380 i'm sorry

02:26:27.260 psycho guy who even got violent with his family member and me choking me after he

02:26:30.860 damn what the fuck threatened me to jump off a moving car on the freeway wouldn't admit he

02:26:35.340 cheated and had to blame it on one of his family members uh doesn't sound like the best relation he

02:26:40.860 he forced you to become a nurse though doesn't that take like years to like to become an rn right

02:26:45.340 it's like four years like he forced you like oh he told me study that biology son yeah he told me if

02:26:50.620 i wasn't gonna do anything then um he was gonna leave me so i he wanted me to become a nurse just

02:26:56.140 like he did and so i did the whole like process of becoming a nurse and then my last semester he

02:27:01.740 ended up cheating on me with a co-worker that i wasn't supposed to worry about

02:27:06.460 yeah it was pretty messy and then on my last semester in clinical i had to go to

02:27:11.020 the hospital that they both worked at and you know follow follow them around and stuff like

02:27:16.620 that so it was pretty messy do you enjoy nursing now i do it gives um i feel like my due diligence

02:27:25.100 i get well paid like off you know yeah that's sweet okay valve i have some pre-show notes here for

02:27:32.860 you actually wait before we get into that let me just check if we have any chats that we need to read

02:27:37.020 no i think we're actually fully um no we'll we'll do it later i feel like i missed a chat here but

02:27:46.780 no i think we're good um did you quickly want to it sounded like you wanted to address something did

02:27:53.180 you want to you said when i come back when i've had a chance to cool down i'd like to talk about

02:27:58.540 something or does she want to talk more i'm good to talk but i oh i thought i got the sense that we

02:28:04.700 kind of covered i do you want to go more in depth on oh if you want to speak that's okay okay um i

02:28:11.100 meant to quietly excuse my excuse excuse myself for a second um and then come back when i was okay

02:28:18.460 which probably would have been like five minutes um and then i mean i like you you could probably see

02:28:24.220 it in my face a little bit but i really wasn't going to make it a thing and like i don't know what

02:28:28.620 was said about me while i was gone and then it turned into like some kind of argument and then it turned

02:28:33.180 into like trying to delve into this whole thing i really just wanted to have a second to myself

02:28:39.100 collect myself and then come back okay so i i didn't really like that like i it got dug into

02:28:43.980 like that without me here you know but can i ask like what made you cry like why why were you like

02:28:52.060 upset i'm sorry dude come on like what what made you upset like why did you feel the need to like walk

02:29:00.940 off i wasn't why i was just taking a little break like i just didn't i don't know like it just like

02:29:06.620 i don't it was just over really yeah it was overwhelming that's a good word for it and um

02:29:11.420 i said mean things in the moment that i did not mean yeah um which is why i wanted to take a break

02:29:20.220 so i wouldn't say those kind of things that's fair um so yeah i just apologize for all of that some of

02:29:26.620 the comments were upset upset like i don't like i yeah i just didn't want to give them the satisfaction

02:29:32.620 and then i gave them exactly what they wanted and it's not everyone it's like two people you know

02:29:37.020 um but yeah i'm kind of sad that i didn't get the opportunity just to handle it quietly by myself

02:29:43.740 that's okay i apologize for the whole thing it's okay welcome welcome back if it's fine that you

02:29:48.620 needed to uh take a breather welcome back to the uh panel okay um it's been an interesting uh it's been

02:29:59.500 an eventful night let's say um okay so uh there was something on your profile where you

02:30:06.860 were arrested for something like you said something about a mug shot or or no there's

02:30:11.340 something about i forgot in your pre-show notes you mentioned a mug shot so i was

02:30:15.180 confused about that me yeah twice arrested

02:30:20.780 for what punching cops in the face both times yep um context punching cops in the face yeah

02:30:30.460 that's not a charge oh it is it is and it carries it so well how how deep do you want moderator how

02:30:39.180 how deep do you want me to go into it i'm totally i'm up in my book i can literally talk about anything

02:30:43.100 i don't like uh were you you were charged were you prosecuted um prosecuted no and and most of the time

02:30:52.460 offenses of against cops aren't they're usually dropped immediately because they're actually extremely

02:30:57.980 common and just just don't give a fuck especially if you're white and a woman i'm actually andrew i

02:31:05.580 don't know if you want to weigh on this i'm actually starting to believe that she's a troll

02:31:10.700 maybe like i'm actually yeah so so listen how i mean at this point i think you got to go with your

02:31:17.020 gut bro no i think you got to go here i mean at at some point we got to get some sanity she's trolling

02:31:24.140 can we all just make a just a nice agreement right now that going forward we're all going to be as good

02:31:29.260 faith as we can in this conversation we already had this massive meta conversation about the

02:31:34.140 conversation then we had a conversation about that conversation can we just try to all be adults

02:31:39.340 and try to um kind of move forward here uh without you know uh being trolls and being

02:31:46.380 assholes i do want to point out so um who like who drove here from los angeles where did you come

02:31:54.860 from el paso texas you flew here right i drove so if you're here if you're here to troll and we

02:32:00.540 mentioned this before the show would never she's and she's serious right now no no no like if you're

02:32:09.180 and come on stop stop if you're here to troll like if you don't if you object to the whatever podcast

02:32:14.860 you don't like it that's totally fine but bear in mind this isn't a one-on-one interview if you're

02:32:20.460 like coming on to troll whatever but people spent time and money to be here like if you're with me

02:32:26.300 fine from boston i would never troll for this uh that's kind of irrelevant but but the way you're

02:32:32.540 conducting yourself is now leading me to believe i thought initially you're just bad faith but now

02:32:37.900 i actually think you're trolling no if you don't fuck if you don't like the whatever podcast totally

02:32:43.260 cool but as as to be respectful to the other guests who have spent time and money to be here

02:32:50.220 she flew here she spent money to be here i can guarantee i spent please i'm at like she drove

02:32:55.260 i can guarantee i spent more you drove from it that's it's not a competition no i know you just

02:33:02.380 said you spent a lot of money i said i'm spent a lot of more i would never come on a podcast to troll

02:33:07.820 you strike me as manic i like like are you manic never no no no but you asked me about my arrest

02:33:14.780 story do you want to hear about it or not i'll tell you i'll tell you so you actually punched two

02:33:18.940 police officers in the face the first time was one the second time was multiple but the

02:33:26.060 first the second one was kicked in the head and then it was three like battered but the first one

02:33:33.420 that was absolutely in the face how'd you get your foot to their head but also why

02:33:39.180 well were you uh were you charged with with anything for this yeah yeah yeah yeah so i got

02:33:45.420 really lucky so i've never i've i have um no record so the first time was i was charged with a citation

02:33:53.180 which i'm extremely lucky for um punched a cop in the face which is a felony

02:33:59.260 and i got this story sounds not plausible and it's i and i totally i know and i tell all the time at

02:34:05.820 bar it's a hoot but no no it was uh it was a charge of citation the second one is still pending

02:34:12.460 but it's a misdemeanor but why you walked up to a cop and punched him in the face no no no no i would

02:34:18.140 never and nothing ever tell us about the whole breaking into your ex's apartment yeah so he um he

02:34:25.580 was he cheated on me endlessly and at one point just got so sick of it and we were in the middle of

02:34:32.300 speaking i sensed he was cheating i arrived to his apartment i grabbed um one of his patio chairs i

02:34:39.020 slammed it against his living room window i went in stole his social security card and passport and left

02:34:47.500 since he was cheating yeah why did you uh why did you steal the no evidence well i was like what would

02:34:54.540 really be like impactful did he no evidence of him cheating oh there was evidence was it real it was

02:35:04.780 what was it learning after um i would i knew a lot of people

02:35:12.860 what's so funny ladies who's laughing someone wrote this is why we need prisons

02:35:16.300 not for me are you not for little old me tick tock let me just say this um if you have the money

02:35:26.460 lawyers are worth every single penny they really are so you have good lawyers is why you got out of

02:35:32.220 it i have very good lawyers okay well speaking of which uh for your future i suggest that you retain

02:35:37.340 a lawyer named james sexton because i was feeling in your future relationships you may need him i don't

02:35:41.820 know what that means he's a family attorney in new york's new york city um you said that you used to

02:35:49.820 participate in sex work as a struggling actress you want to be the example of why women should not

02:35:55.420 engage in sex work yeah so what do you mean by sex work are you talking about escorting what are you

02:35:59.500 talking about oh man so this is all before only fans only fans didn't really become a thing until

02:36:05.660 only a few years ago back then it sounds like forever ago but it really is in technology it's

02:36:11.980 around 2017 and 2018 everybody every woman whether corporate or she's working in a restaurant had a sugar

02:36:22.540 daddy everybody did it was the norm what yes it was the norm you would meet women and here's what's

02:36:31.580 scary about this you would meet women that would be working in nine to five corporate jobs they'd be

02:36:36.700 working in hr they'd be in relationships for two plus years i would go out to dinner with them we'd be

02:36:42.780 talking and she goes oh no i've had a guy who's been paying my rent for the last few years and you'd be in

02:36:48.300 disbelief why would you have that but i guess in the contrary is why wouldn't you have that so at that

02:36:55.980 time as an actress struggling and i had really i had really horrible um do you ever ask a question

02:37:02.380 and then regret asking it just let's let her finish let's let her but yes but yes but sorry my bad

02:37:09.420 that was me no no no it's okay i i made strides against you so um i what was the what was the original

02:37:17.900 question well you i was like what kind of uh s sex work yeah yeah so prostitution yeah so so

02:37:25.260 seekingarrangements.com i don't know if that's still around right now it is yeah it's still around

02:37:29.820 i thought it was banned no so seeking arrangements was a big thing and so every girl that i knew

02:37:36.220 whether she was like acting or modeling alongside with me working in restaurants which you do as a

02:37:41.660 struggling actress you are a glorified bartender i was 19 okay i was 19 20 and um everyone had

02:37:53.900 everybody said go on seeking arrangements you want your rent paid you go on seeking arrangements

02:37:58.620 and everybody always alludes to this idea they go girl you don't have to do anything just go on dates

02:38:06.700 and you get money out of it and i go oh so i get a steak i get a filet mignon 500 and don't have to

02:38:13.340 like fuck the guy well that's the perception that they give you but the reality is that that that's not

02:38:19.500 the truth and maybe it starts out that way but the reality is if you actually have a sugar daddy you

02:38:25.100 have to fuck him did you so you you had sex with your sugar daddy yeah i did i did did you have more

02:38:32.940 than one sugar daddy um i think over the course of the time that i had i had i had multiple um men that

02:38:41.100 were like you know they were they were never long term the the men that i would be speaking to

02:38:47.900 you had something yeah so being as somebody that actually works in the sex industry i'm an adult

02:38:52.620 performer i've been doing it since i was 18 i've been doing only fans if i had a sugar daddy i don't

02:38:59.420 think that's sex work quite honestly like you're but it is you're having sex and you're getting paid

02:39:06.540 willingly that's called sex work that's the arrangement but that doesn't mean that you are

02:39:13.260 selling yourself openly and freely i don't know maybe i'm just assuming but i don't think

02:39:17.740 qualifying it and quantifying it as this is exactly sex work doesn't really how is that

02:39:21.980 that's the very definition you're getting paid to have sex with men how is that not i'm saying

02:39:27.660 what you're describing it as is an arrangement between you and someone with whom you met online

02:39:32.140 such as a dating app and you're stating that i hung out with them i presume that i was just

02:39:36.860 going to get everything taken care of in addition to that i was paid for having sex yes that's

02:39:41.100 technically a job yeah that's called sex work what i'm saying yeah i don't see a way around that okay

02:39:48.940 thank you andrew finally fucking christ but like you're stating it as though it was like your full

02:39:53.500 occupation like that's where i'm just so confused like was it never my full occupation i you know what

02:39:59.980 well no no i'll let you finish i don't want to interrupt as somebody that actually performs

02:40:03.500 sex work and like that's what i'm saying like actually perform like somebody who's actively in

02:40:08.220 it so you removed yourself from it you're i have i have so that does not reduce the the time that i

02:40:13.180 was in it she's in it now i am yeah so what i'm saying is currently currently and actively in sex work

02:40:18.780 what i'm asking is how do you quantify that so differently from what i separately do or just

02:40:26.140 generally because right now you're just generalizing i did sex work because i got paid to have sex with

02:40:29.500 some random guy okay so what more of it like you're trying to say oh like i want to help other

02:40:35.260 people understand sex work yeah there's multiple meanings to it i completely agree i don't think

02:40:38.860 sex work is fit for anybody yeah i just find it really eluding and weird that you're just stating oh

02:40:43.020 it's just a bad thing and i did this like get to the fucking point about it that's exactly the

02:40:47.180 fucking point too about it is that it's sex work and it's bad and it's horrible and it's soul

02:40:51.260 crushing for women and anything that you hear is is i'm sorry it's just not true i i want to ask

02:40:56.780 every woman that is engaged in active sex work do they know their father and are they close with

02:41:02.940 their father and do they have a good relationship with their father no no i want to ask this because

02:41:07.420 you know what i was a woman i um not to cut you off sorry i do have an active relationship with my

02:41:13.180 father my father is that a good one yeah actually i grew up really well with my father i actually

02:41:18.300 unfortunately was introduced to that style of content prior as a young child because of certain

02:41:24.540 circumstances of the child but regardless my father actually really supports me ironically my

02:41:29.580 mother did not support me for the longest time i'm a mexican and i'm a white i'm half and half my mom

02:41:33.820 is very mexican catholic and for that reason she doesn't support it but regardless my father's always

02:41:38.060 supported me he supported me from the moment i started working with penthouse when i first did my

02:41:41.660 very first magazine with them the moment that i did hustler with a shoot with hustler he was very

02:41:46.460 exotic not because he was interested in it not because he was sexualizing okay that's really

02:41:50.140 weird though that's really weird that your father is excited that you were in hustler that's a very

02:41:54.540 weird thing to be excited for i'm not antagonizing i'm just asking i'm just like it's a very weird

02:41:58.700 thing my daughter's in hustler we're not supposed to talk about certain conversations which is fine

02:42:03.740 but as a younger as a younger girl yeah what i was always expressed to growing up from my father's

02:42:09.420 side because i have separated parents was naturally that the natural human body woman and

02:42:16.220 man is very beautiful and that is something that i still stand with them wait why is it

02:42:19.820 why would you say naturally to her parents being separated because i'm mexican white or what are

02:42:25.900 you presuming because no definitely not mexican and white but that's fine that went that way no no

02:42:30.060 because you're in sex work so usually it's it's probably not a two-party house that you grew up with

02:42:35.260 i actually know it's probably a divorce actresses in the sex community who they have that they have a

02:42:41.900 mom and dad that is their biological woman dad you know they're married together i i i've read

02:42:48.140 and i've seen and i've witnessed and i know many many people i'm just like you have no statistics of

02:42:54.620 it you're just using background knowledge and assumption yeah i am yes my parents are separated

02:43:00.060 my parents are separated because they literally just could not handle each other that's all it really

02:43:04.060 was they were never even in a relationship regardless if that's your presumption of that every single

02:43:08.860 sex worker money comes from a separated family then so fucking be it but it doesn't seem to say

02:43:14.460 that regardless that you have any reason to bicker at and fight out that oh she has a terrible

02:43:20.620 relationship with her father i'm clearly a fucking person out here saying no i have a great relationship

02:43:25.580 with my with my yeah your dad loved you in hustler what the fuck is your problem because clearly what

02:43:32.060 i'm stating is the back essence of why he supported me why that was being supported by my father not

02:43:38.300 my mother my father taught me from a very fucking young age that hey all women bodies are beautiful

02:43:43.340 why because my grandmother herself also always taught him that she was a single mother it came down from

02:43:48.300 the realms of she was always teaching him one knowledge and he taught himself to me at the end of

02:43:53.340 the day obviously no parent wants their child in sex work no parent well it sounds like your father

02:43:58.860 did he was just supporting her because she's a grown-up and he saw she was in a thing and said

02:44:02.940 that's what she's doing she's a grown-up and i support it not she said it wasn't sexual yeah he

02:44:07.420 wasn't interested in it he was just encouraging her because it's his daughter no that's yeah yeah but

02:44:12.540 dude that's weird would you say would you encourage your daughter to do that no but if i didn't have any

02:44:17.740 say in it i'd kind of like to keep a relationship with them as tumultuous as it might be exactly

02:44:22.780 would you be proud of your daughter being a hustler wouldn't it be better to let them feel

02:44:26.940 the sting of it and kind of separate yourself i'm not dad i i'd like to think of the dad that i would

02:44:33.420 be where i would go all right because like my sister's date guys i don't like and that's been my

02:44:38.380 whole life and uh my rule on it and you can disagree because i'm not a dad so i can't speak to this too

02:44:43.740 well but i always go that's who she's with well i'm just gonna bear with this and i speak my opinion

02:44:50.620 there's a distinction there right so if you say right well i can't control who you know my uh my

02:44:57.020 daughter goes out with and dates and things like that versus my daughter's going on to hustler don't

02:45:02.300 you think there's a huge he didn't hang the poster in his living room no he just kept a relationship

02:45:06.540 with her i think she was defending the relationship with her dad because she was said well naturally you

02:45:10.300 must have a terrible relationship with your dad to do these sort of things no i said naturally they're

02:45:14.220 separated and they are but you started it by saying i'd like to ask every girl that does sex work

02:45:19.420 yes do you know your dad and you said it in a very strange way yeah well i know my dad and

02:45:25.100 and then well that's because the stats bear out that many sex workers in fact the majority of them

02:45:30.700 do come from broken households and if you're a single mom you're far more likely to be a sex worker in

02:45:36.140 fact you are um so these are these are things which are brought up i don't think out of hand

02:45:41.660 right i don't think so they're not no i like she's explaining now they're they're on our side

02:45:47.260 andrew okay all i'm stating is obviously yes my father did support me in the sense just as he

02:45:53.900 stated because he wanted a relationship with me the reason i actually am so grateful and beyond

02:45:58.540 blessed that i even have a support from my father is because i immediately left the house with my mom

02:46:04.300 i was living out there and she was already upset with me over certain other circumstances for that

02:46:08.700 reason i left and i decided this is the way and the means that i'm going to arrive to adulthood i'm going

02:46:12.940 to partake in this not something that i even agreed with i grew up in a full catholic household with

02:46:17.420 my mother nonetheless i never had a relationship with my father as a child at one point well there

02:46:23.180 you go big no literally what i was saying but yeah the reason i didn't don't you think it's a bit

02:46:29.740 rude to laugh laugh at somebody who just said the reason i did not have a relationship with my

02:46:36.140 father during high school is because my father was not something you laugh he was not he was what i'm

02:46:40.860 sorry he was diagnosed with a brain tumor i was not able to fucking see him because he was literally

02:46:44.460 in the hospital all fucking day all fucking time so that's actually one of the reasons i was not

02:46:48.300 able to see my father during your childhood i said no i said childhood i said high school i correct

02:46:54.380 myself okay high school that is childhood to be it is it is it is but regardless to be laughing and

02:47:00.620 trying to poke at the bear and saying never oh this is the norm it's not my circumstance is not the

02:47:05.980 norm my father was diagnosed with a fucking brain tumor that's not normal it shouldn't be normalized

02:47:09.820 yeah yeah yeah it's horrible it's also hard to like you like to try to diagnose her like you're

02:47:15.340 doing so it's like not at all well in a way you are verbally you are and socially you are it's just

02:47:20.460 to and also like to go like well yeah statistically that yeah you statistically lots of people aren't

02:47:27.500 with two-parent homes so you can't just go oh we found the reason you said bingo when she said that

02:47:33.500 she didn't have that's no you can't go be why not having two parents doesn't magically make you have a

02:47:37.580 great life uh statistically it does no it really doesn't in a lot of ways you could i'm just saying

02:47:42.380 like you can't just say it because you have two statistically it does no statistically is wrong

02:47:47.740 because if you have two parents in a household does not mean it's healthy at all well it's more likely

02:47:52.940 to be yes in a lot of ways exactly thank you oh but now it's a lot of ways so when a guy's when

02:47:58.220 and your chances of criminology your chances of any of these things drastically decrease

02:48:03.980 sorry andrew i didn't mean to cut you off i don't think we got any of what andrew said

02:48:07.420 yeah i'm sorry i'm sorry i was just saying that she is right that if you come from a intact two-parent

02:48:13.660 household your chances of criminology chances your chances of all of these things drastically reduce

02:48:20.220 and this includes your chances of being involved in sex work well then maybe explain it better if

02:48:23.980 you're upset that i'm agreeing with him maybe instead of just condescendingly going bingo doesn't

02:48:27.980 have a dad and not even looking in the eye when she's talking about brain tumors and things it's a

02:48:31.820 it's a it's you can understand why people have this reaction to the way you're speaking right it's

02:48:35.660 pretty pretty it's really immature is what it is it is it's not a nice way to talk about people okay

02:48:43.820 you don't know her no i don't have any positive opinions about sex work either but i can still

02:48:49.820 respect a person can i ask a question and i'm not asking this as a form of attack or insult but purely

02:49:00.060 out of curiosity and inquiry um and again i'm not trying to ask this to be insulting or prying or

02:49:09.580 whatever do you have any cluster b personality disorders totally probably yeah like bpd borderline

02:49:20.140 personality probably yeah bingo what does that mean probably he's asking no have you been diagnosed

02:49:26.620 have you been diagnosed no not officially no um unofficially how would you

02:49:35.100 do you take do you take any she's diagnosed but i can't diagnose her with this single family

02:49:41.900 causing her to be an only fan are you bipolar no i'm not i don't actually i don't know i don't know

02:49:47.260 i'm not a psychologist well that's why we're thinking troll because we're trying to figure out

02:49:51.500 how to talk to you i'm trying to i don't know i think i'm just engaging in conversation you guys are

02:49:56.460 trying to really not you're just being rude to her and everyone else i think it's like regardless of

02:50:01.500 like my job or whatever i do whatever i'm doing now or not i think it just shows your true personality

02:50:08.620 and true intention is to actually troll because whether or not i'm saying that i'm doing sex work

02:50:13.340 or i'm a fucking construction worker for something i just actively told you guys and i confided in you

02:50:18.060 guys and the internet that my father had a brain tumor instead of looking at me and actually showing

02:50:22.540 me any human compassion compassion or remorse for your words that you already had previously stated

02:50:27.180 for whatever reason you just said sorry bingo bingo like that's rude as fuck that's bullshit

02:50:33.500 like i'm sorry but who the fuck thinks like that other than a fucking troll well i don't i don't know

02:50:40.540 like i can't see you guys but some of the points that she made were valid points i'm gonna admit it i

02:50:46.300 mean she made some valid points thank you i think you can find statistics for those things yes i agree with

02:50:52.780 the the statistics the statistics i don't agree with the way she's conducting exactly talking to

02:50:58.460 her like she's that's all that's all i was commenting on because she is a person and she has a whole

02:51:03.900 i think life i completely agree and i appreciate that so much because at the end of the day yes

02:51:08.060 statistics does pertain to the number of people and pertain to the percentages of all these things

02:51:13.420 out of a fucking outcome but at the end of the day this isn't just a statistics game we're not on

02:51:18.460 polls right now we're not a little fucking pie chart where people you're actually looking at me as a

02:51:21.420 human being you're looking at me as a fucking soul so why don't you continue on and treat me

02:51:26.460 properly with some sort of remorse and respect because i'm sharing the reasoning for either my

02:51:31.980 circumstances or my family life or my reasons for doing a job or anything that's where i haven't

02:51:36.700 laughed or mimicked at you i and i appreciate that you just continue being a cunt that's practically what

02:51:44.540 you are i feel like an apology is in order not gonna get one for me that's fine i think in comedy

02:51:53.420 sometimes people go like oh you're a comic you must have things that are like you must be real

02:51:57.660 up right you must have a crazy child that want to be a stand-up comic you know and then we go yes yeah

02:52:03.820 because you can combine it with anything right yeah and then like but like you could like do that with

02:52:08.460 bread truck drivers you could be like you know the bread truck drivers come from divorced homes well

02:52:13.020 those statistics have weight but to just try to go blanketly bingo she her parents are separated so

02:52:19.340 she must want to bingo bingo masturbate for money does that make like it i don't think that's a bingo

02:52:25.260 like i don't but it is but it is you're really not exciting the way you think you are not clean i

02:52:30.780 think you're really like a psych evaluation here's here's my analysis yeah she is sort of reveling in her

02:52:37.100 own uh i suppose a reverence you're you're incredibly coarse you're incredibly abrasive

02:52:45.420 and perhaps intentionally um you're not you haven't just been rude to me it's it seems like you've been

02:52:51.180 rude to some of the other guests um again it's not clear to me though if you're doing it to troll

02:52:57.500 like why now you're shaking your now she's shaking her head no i'm listening to oh you're you're

02:53:03.100 me liking i thought that was you nodding in agreement like personality disorder l sex work

02:53:10.140 l dad w bipolar chick the world doesn't tell you okay maybe the chat is actually starting to uh

02:53:16.940 you're yeah you're winning them over maybe wait she's winning me over she's winning me

02:53:21.820 andrew i've been on your side since day one andrew oh my i thank you let's keep going i think it's

02:53:31.340 for attention good yo dave on jackson good you have your tits out what do you mean for attention

02:53:37.180 oh my gosh who has their tits out um here a b and c most of the a b and c last thing with last

02:53:45.100 thing on your notes here rude blonde is right abc yeah okay hi um in your notes to us you said you're

02:53:53.180 you're very traditional you're from ukraine yeah you're ukraine are you uh how long have you been

02:53:58.460 in the us god i came here when i was like five years old oh okay so you okay yeah so i grew up in

02:54:03.420 america okay my whole entire your citizen i became a citizen when i was 15 years okay you say you like

02:54:10.060 men to take care of everything even if i make more than them which i typically do i do what do you do

02:54:14.940 for work again tech sales tech sales okay uh you're traditional i am yeah yet earlier in the

02:54:23.260 conversation and in your notes you said you were a radical feminist so traditional radical feminist

02:54:28.780 don't really go together you're totally right you're totally right i think i think i probably should have

02:54:33.340 clarified more i think i'm radical feminist in a lot of ways like i mentioned earlier i think in

02:54:38.380 terms of like transgenderism i'm very much a radical feminist what they would label me as okay i love

02:54:44.140 second wave feminism i hate the third and fourth wave fourth wave is debatable that we're in now

02:54:48.940 but yeah i don't like it but uh yeah i answered delicious but i'm not sure if you're like you're

02:54:53.100 that traditional like what way what do you think i'm for example you're granted you have been invited

02:54:58.860 on to a sort of a dating debate show to debate so but you are very combative in your in your demeanor and

02:55:07.420 i again i'm going to give you some uh i forget the exact term um we love the blonde you're going

02:55:15.900 to give me some leeway right well yes because if i've invited someone specifically to debate i

02:55:21.020 anticipate that they're going to be engaged in a debate with me so it's not like no one thousand

02:55:25.340 percent but uh you've you did sex work yeah you consider yourself to be a radical feminist which

02:55:32.860 in some degree okay it's a bit nuanced but so that's that's where like how do you reconcile

02:55:37.900 being a traditional woman with you have a history of sex work yeah was it i don't want to put words

02:55:45.180 in your mouth but was it so you did prostitution well that's well that's basically what the sugar daddy

02:55:52.860 was yeah the sugar daddy there is no such thing they sell you a lie at least back then i know only

02:55:58.140 fans now you can spread your ass without touching a man and make four hundred dollars a week that's

02:56:01.980 that's what's normal now i'm not claiming that's what you do and god bless but back then with

02:56:08.140 seeking arrangements yes so if you're going to be on seeking arrangements there's no such thing as

02:56:12.460 going on a date with a guy and thinking that you're not going to have to touch the motherfucker excuse me

02:56:17.660 for you know money you're going to have to do something so yeah so in turn yeah like absolutely but

02:56:23.740 that is that is hundred percent you're they are paying for sex you think you're going to get a dinner

02:56:28.060 out of it maybe the first two times but if they want to keep seeing you you're going to have to

02:56:31.740 fuck them that's the reality and that's a really shitty reality and it's very hard reality well

02:56:39.020 have you ever fucked the man for money no so then shut the fuck up so what i'm trying to say is right

02:56:45.340 now i am i'm a woman who's 25 years old i make i make a lot of money how much you make tell us why

02:56:51.020 don't you tell us how much you make um this year if my deal closes i'll make two hundred and sixty

02:56:56.380 thousand dollars this year if your deal closes yes what if your deal doesn't close i'll make

02:57:01.580 probably 210 okay so despite the fact that you're a like a what a one percent earner yeah you still

02:57:09.260 want a guy to do you want men to take care of everything um i think uh i it you you asked a really

02:57:19.660 good question if you don't mind if i go back to that sure you said a question you go how do you reconcile

02:57:24.780 your past essentially and then being a traditional woman i struggle with that every single day you

02:57:29.260 don't have much grace for people that do it now i'll tell you that right literally right exactly so

02:57:33.820 how are you someone that that is a woman that has such a past and then is coming into now men will

02:57:41.420 look at me and they will and they'll go like what was your past and i will tell them i'm in an open

02:57:46.300 book okay pretend you're on the first date with jeff and jeff jeff's like hi i want to know your past

02:57:52.540 i wouldn't say on the first date okay say pretend it's the third date and pretend you're on it now

02:57:57.260 and pretend you're not on the podcast yeah it's being live recorded and this is go go go so we'll

02:58:03.180 play do you do you have a bullet list can you just like give us the bullet list of all the things you

02:58:09.340 would feel the need to disclose to a future partner of like by the way i did like i was involved in

02:58:17.580 a train i was in the train there was a train i got a train ran on me is that one of the things you

02:58:25.020 might disclose choo-choo motherfucker i uh did never do any choo-chooing i never did any of that

02:58:33.260 but i think that it is like very important that i think i i think it is important i don't what did

02:58:38.940 you do i'd like to know i don't want to just while we have this nice dinner here here wait let me get

02:58:42.940 the champagne is there actually champagne we do have champagne no wait can we have some a drink

02:58:52.140 would hit so good right now you're not 21 sorry i'm not gonna you can't be i would love some champagne

02:58:59.340 we can not i mean if somebody wants to do a somebody in the chat there is a champagne trigger

02:59:04.940 wait and that would make us have champagne i can't imagine her she'll show her tits or one of

02:59:10.940 one of your simps or whatever something about someone else i mean yeah they may they don't

02:59:16.060 say that they won't they won't you're the only one who said that you had a sex pass so yeah

02:59:22.540 why are you coming for so much for her i don't even get it i'm not you pointed directly at her and you

02:59:31.820 were like someone probably would when i arrived here and she spoke to me she said i'm doing this

02:59:35.340 because i want to be famous so i'm like a thousand percent she wants to be famous i i never what's

02:59:39.820 the team yet she what's the team she was an actress she didn't succeed unfortunately she's being

02:59:46.060 i was a failed actress correct my biggest movie's on tubi okay it's coming out to be an actress i don't

02:59:51.900 even know what it's called that's fine but i just think it's really interesting that you're coming

02:59:55.260 at me so much because i'm not coming at you specifically you really are though you really are like

02:59:59.820 i think maybe you feel that way but i think i've just kind of spoken well let me come come after

03:00:05.900 her just a little bit if you don't mind i was curious because every time you're asked a question

03:00:11.420 this is the gal who was a prostitute um the time you're asked a question on how you reconcile your

03:00:19.180 traditional values with modernity and how you think about things in modernity you just kind of restate

03:00:24.460 the question and then run away from the question okay so they actually answer the question yes can

03:00:29.340 you do you mind re-asking and i'll be like completely like at face value with it yeah so how do you how

03:00:33.980 are you able to hold the viewpoints that you have right now for for what you consider to be

03:00:38.940 traditionalism as the path going forward and something that you value uh even knowing that you

03:00:44.620 were essentially a prostitute and you seem to be against feminism where whereas at the same time you

03:00:50.940 agree that feminism has led to the culture of modernity that you don't like and without restating

03:00:57.020 it to me can you actually answer to how you reconcile those things yeah one thousand percent

03:01:02.060 um whenever i was doing it i was under the guise that this is what feminism is i was taking back the

03:01:07.660 power i was bringing back body and i think that's what a lot of only fans models would say now they're

03:01:13.020 bringing back their own power i am in charge of my own body i make funds off my body no other man does

03:01:19.740 so when i was in it i thought i was liberating myself as a woman i thought this is peak feminism

03:01:26.140 i am doing what i'm gonna do and i'm gonna get 1500 for i was completely under that delusion and what i

03:01:33.100 hate is that we're still that it's evolved and it is very it's it's it's it torments me i think and

03:01:41.820 that will always i will never be a true high value woman i will never i will hang on before you move on

03:01:47.500 too much into into the explanation yeah i want to make sure that you actually are hearing the question

03:01:52.860 which is asked i understand that you say that i fell into this trap of feminism and now i reject it

03:02:00.220 but you still don't reject the early feminism which led to that oh this is the reconciliation that i

03:02:07.580 never actually hear you make is why would you still be supportive of those earlier waves knowing

03:02:13.100 that the result was you ending up being a prostitute one thousand percent and that's

03:02:17.900 something that i i'll never have the answer to and i don't i don't understand i i agree you guys you

03:02:22.540 guys can all laugh but the first wave was to vote and the second waves to have jobs the third wave has

03:02:27.420 costs fucking having only fans i think i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have i don't i don't know what the

03:02:33.260 answer is can i say something go ahead i think what well wouldn't they answer if you wanted to be

03:02:36.940 consistent b to say listen i have to actually reject those first two waves knowing that it led

03:02:43.260 to the kind of conditions which led to me feeling like i was empowered by being a prostitute okay but

03:02:49.660 then that would be saying that women shouldn't vote and well i didn't say that no let's say it was an

03:02:55.580 entailment that that's true that it if you were to let's just assume hang on just wait one second

03:03:02.060 let's just assume for a second that the entailment of the position of there's no more prostitutes but

03:03:07.580 women also couldn't vote would you take that you know what i'm i may i may i very much may

03:03:17.900 as well right so then so then maybe you can just say i reject earlier forms of feminism because what

03:03:24.300 it's led to in modernity is way worse for the outcomes of people than if it had not occurred to

03:03:30.700 begin with right but i am curious that maybe something went wrong along the way you know

03:03:35.980 okay can you point to what that would be besides the fact that it was women's empowerment and

03:03:41.580 isn't that what led to you feeling empowered by being a sex worker yeah the sexual the sexual

03:03:46.860 revolution was really really weird for women in the 60s yeah that was wave that was wave two right

03:03:53.260 that was wave two exactly yeah so so but that was a direct and free sex yeah yeah but that was a direct

03:03:59.260 result of wave one where the pushing of the original architects of feminism were pushing for that

03:04:06.540 sexual revolution that's what they wanted was that sexual revolution that was key to why they wanted

03:04:12.220 these values in women and then they got that sexual revolution and you are basically claiming you were a

03:04:17.740 victim of that sexual revolution by buying into the feminist propaganda so why not just say

03:04:22.380 i reject feminism categorically wouldn't that be the most consistent and logical thing you could do

03:04:29.260 uh yes i i i think i think you're 100 correct i i would agree with that yeah can you say i reject

03:04:37.260 feminism are we using a thousand percent scale or a hundred percent scale because you've been using a

03:04:41.740 lot of different numbers hundred and thousand yeah i i i agree a hundred and thousand percent a hundred

03:04:47.900 thousand percent you reject feminism right i i think inevitably i think you have a point i think it's so

03:04:53.580 easy to kind of look back and say this was good this was good but then this was bad it's direct it's it's

03:04:58.380 it's the direct result of it and and i think you may be on to something i'd like to learn more about

03:05:04.220 the other people on the show me too yeah let me get a couple chats and then we'll oh did you i think

03:05:09.900 you had something athena right yeah um i agree with that um also that the the comment um but that was

03:05:18.700 my i don't know which way to point for that but um as a podcast host i think that if you have that kind

03:05:24.300 of dissonance in you where you had this one lifestyle and then you have this lifestyle that

03:05:28.060 you aspire to and they're so vastly different you and you cannot achieve the perfect standard of what

03:05:33.340 you want your lifestyle to be you're gonna lash it out and like not feel good about yourself and then

03:05:38.700 you're gonna put that on people like her true i agree i definitely can see that oh i don't feel i i

03:05:43.980 don't i don't whenever i don't look at women like you and i look at you and i go oh she's beneath me i

03:05:49.740 have none of that in me at all what i feel for women i generally i generally don't when i look

03:05:55.660 at women like you that are engaged in sex work i feel sorry why that's because they're engaging in

03:06:01.660 sex work okay okay you're not acting like you're sorry though like like when i was when i said earlier

03:06:06.940 you should apologize to her and you didn't that's not but you don't feel bad for her you're not sorry

03:06:11.020 for my opinion oh okay wait so do you you want her to apologize to me and i appreciate but i don't need

03:06:17.740 an apology from somebody like that and regardless i i agree i completely i agree i think at the end

03:06:24.460 of the day if she has such a previous or yeah she has such a prevalent past with prostitution or sex

03:06:31.820 work i love how we're like really like being like uh sex shaming here like you are it's all you

03:06:39.580 it's prostitution you're the one who has strong opinions about this and it's just kind of like

03:06:45.180 what are you doing on your only fans like what do you call that you you sexed men for

03:06:49.660 fucking to pay your rent you know what i mean so it's like you keep saying why are you assuming

03:06:54.780 what she's doing though i could be literally doing just like bikini photos you know literally no nudity

03:07:00.140 and like i could you know you're not we know you're not how do you know that she's not well how do you

03:07:05.900 know that what are you doing what are you doing on there i do actually film everything you know

03:07:12.140 like yeah but you're talking down on her like you didn't just do that i don't understand like

03:07:15.900 no you guys are like what's the difference between you which is totally fine

03:07:21.100 totally fine and totally valid totally fine and totally valid but you guys snicker every time someone

03:07:27.100 says prostitution go because what's the difference that's so funny you're so right you had an only fans

03:07:33.020 you're current what did what are you on i've never done anything you've well she's 19 and what are you

03:07:38.380 she is 19. um yeah what do you do what do i do that was creepy

03:07:46.780 i've got to ask this uh go ahead andrew is that true that you have on your neck a tattoo that says i

03:07:51.660 am god yes wait what wait where you have a tattoo on your neck that says i am god we can see her neck

03:08:00.540 back wait where on the back of it on the back wait how did you find that oh my god my instagram

03:08:06.460 is well that gives a lot yeah i am i don't believe you at all from kanye about anything you've said yeah

03:08:12.940 can you can you show us that you have that tattoo i did i did turn the other way turn turn turn this

03:08:18.940 way and then uh turn a little more there we go yeah that's good i it's probably a little hard to see

03:08:25.340 but yeah times you're roman i am god totally she thinks she's better than everyone is not at all

03:08:30.460 actually she doesn't look down on me but she is god so she is superior yeah period well if you want me

03:08:37.580 to have a moment to explain it it'll make me i wanted to explain for sure yeah so uh in terms

03:08:45.420 of i am god it's you are the controller of your own life and um you are the ruler you're the decider and

03:08:53.100 i think uh taking that power back and understanding i'm i'm i'm i really do love god i believe in god

03:08:58.460 but i think god is very big and acknowledging that we are the dictators and deciders of our own future

03:09:03.900 so i am god okay i decider okay okay can i ask you just a single question go you can think about it

03:09:10.220 right but yeah could you tell me give me a single thing that you could ever say that would be more

03:09:16.700 narcissistic than i am god can you give me an example of a single thing not a single thing

03:09:23.100 he rests his point i guess i think you're a narcissist

03:09:32.060 probably npd no no no i know mpd my mother is likely an npd i know but mpd pretty sure it's genetic

03:09:42.220 um personalities or cluster cluster b personalities typically are yeah

03:09:46.780 well okay do you have more andrew on that or uh yeah so just to just to dive in uh you claim that

03:09:57.100 you can't think of a single thing you could ever say which was more narcissistic than i am god would

03:10:02.060 you say that um then kind of an entailment of this you saying that i am the ultimate controller would

03:10:07.660 that be the ultimate in narcissism or solipsism uh i think it could be interpreted that way but i think

03:10:14.060 in terms of your own life we are the ultimate decider we decide our own fate absolutely we are

03:10:18.700 the country yeah but that's a different statement i you could say i decide my own fate but you didn't

03:10:23.820 say that you said i am god yeah the creator of all things of my of my life of my future that's a much

03:10:31.340 larger claim than i control my own life that's a claim to i am the controller of all things

03:10:38.620 i am control of all things this isn't a reality show this is what you're the controller of all

03:10:43.900 things what yeah of my life i'm completely i completely decide what happens in my life so

03:10:48.540 you mean all things just use no it's free will we have free life but you have control over just you

03:10:53.260 or you have control over the universe why would i have control over you you just said you do you think

03:10:58.060 a traditional uh man would see the tattoo on your neck i am god and see it as a massive red flag

03:11:03.740 to get away away from you as fast as they possibly could yeah and then i explain it and i and i've

03:11:09.100 been in that circumstance plenty of times did it work out yeah

03:11:16.620 but what wait it worked out where a traditional man was like oh you just have a tattoo that says i

03:11:21.580 am god on your neck that's cool whatever explanation you have i'm fine with that no they ask for the

03:11:26.300 explanation they demand it and i have to give it to them and i do which is just that i'm in control of

03:11:31.900 my own life yeah i'm in control of my own destiny they probably don't care that much really they

03:11:38.220 are exactly this and you think that these are traditional men who say that the men that i

03:11:45.100 dated typically traditionally yes i i i rarely date ever what makes them traditional if they if they

03:11:50.860 see a tattoo on your neck that says i am god and then they just hear your explanation that well that

03:11:55.420 just means i'm in total control of my life yeah what are the traditional things that you think these

03:11:59.820 men have what makes them traditional uh they're typically catholic they come from like a long

03:12:05.260 lineage of family pedigrees um they're very big on um on traditional roles in terms of men being

03:12:12.700 providers and is that how did he come up here catholic and they're providers how do you do that yeah yeah

03:12:21.740 so doesn't a catholic want you to submit to him so you're not in control of your own life anymore

03:12:26.860 that's a good question and i've been in that well then don't don't tell me it's a good question

03:12:32.460 can i can i just say it's a good it's a good question you ask good fucking questions andrew come

03:12:36.780 on i know i ask good questions i just want you to answer them though you don't have to restate them

03:12:40.540 i don't know sometimes sometimes your questions are too good i don't know come on yeah but answer it

03:12:45.660 so the question is wouldn't a catholic traditional catholic want you to submit so that you were not in charge of

03:12:52.620 your own destiny any longer he was in charge of his of your destiny and his destiny which is

03:12:57.340 traditional catholicism yeah how could you possibly reconcile and try to feed us this line that these

03:13:03.260 are traditional men when i understand how catholicism works and what they believe marriage is and it's

03:13:09.340 not a woman with a tattoo on the back of the neck that says i am god one thousand percent this is

03:13:14.620 kind of crazy how it's crazy but also boring because it's the same thing about different issues

03:13:19.100 i agree

03:13:24.780 literally

03:13:28.460 uh okay let me read a couple it's true that relationship issues have overlap that's true

03:13:34.140 yes it's like i said earlier man like nothing has all these words mean nothing to her

03:13:38.780 you it's like they're traditional guys you're like what does that mean by traditional well not

03:13:41.980 necessarily i mean she already said i'm not so it's like none of these things are you know

03:13:47.100 like bringing a homeless guy in here and asking him to explain his thoughts it's too hard to follow

03:13:51.500 let me i'm gonna do a couple chats i'm gonna read a couple chats and uh i do think that of all the

03:13:59.180 podcast episodes we've done this one may very well be analyzed for hundreds of years to come

03:14:07.420 by various psychological associations i don't know what kind of deep dives they're going to do but um

03:14:15.500 this is she already said she was a narcissist so it's fine tendencies yeah this is great this could

03:14:21.740 be like i don't know this could like okay anyways all right i don't even know how okay well we have

03:14:28.860 way off base here the blonde is venomous yeah the woman who is currently doing sex work is still a damn

03:14:35.580 human being andrew your replies to the situation bs he without sin cast the first stone ain't that what

03:14:42.780 he said okay andrew you have a fascination with andrew i i mean i really do yes did you want to

03:14:51.180 respond to that andrew or just you're a godless man can you just can you just restate the uh the

03:14:56.700 last part of it oh he just um quoted the bible yeah he said he is who is without sin cast the first stone

03:15:03.260 sure but he also said go and sin no more so you have to reconcile both these things which means yes

03:15:09.900 we're not going to viciously murder people for the things that they do which are not an advocate for

03:15:15.340 but we can tell them go and sin no more that's perfectly acceptable in order to tell them to do

03:15:19.900 that we have to point out what they're sinning about right yes otherwise how do they know how to not sin

03:15:25.340 anymore right i agree with that and as a man of god like i can sit by someone who does only fans and

03:15:32.220 respect her as a person while having strong opinions about only fans without not having eye contact and

03:15:38.380 going statistically bingo you don't have a dad like i can do it in a very uh christ-like way andrew

03:15:44.940 have you ever subscribed to only fans no wait what's a what's a very christ-like way uh with like

03:15:50.540 would that be making a whip inside of a temple and whipping people across the face and shoulders is

03:15:55.100 that christ-like to you no no that's what uh they did to him that's what that's what christ did

03:15:59.980 christ didn't whip people what are you talking yes he did he made a fashion to whip and whip people

03:16:03.740 what are you talking about i don't remember that christ whipping i'm sure you selectively remember

03:16:10.300 i don't know why i'm fighting with you christianity that doesn't exist explain to me the

03:16:14.620 part where jesus whips people i think there was a moment in a temple where there was some whipping

03:16:20.460 and he turned over tables of cancer was there any there was like table was there different change

03:16:26.220 collectors he tipped on the tables was there a table no but he didn't flog yes he did i think

03:16:31.020 there might have been like a table tip i'm sorry go ahead just show me the bible verse where jesus

03:16:35.820 whipped anyone say that i don't hear what you're saying i'm sorry i don't know why you're chiming in

03:16:39.100 at all yeah it was a conversation yeah here okay you ready yes he made a whip out of cords and drove

03:16:47.500 them all from the temple courts both sheep and cattle he scattered the coins of the money changers and

03:16:52.300 overturned tables yeah chase them out when he made the whip out of the cords what do you think he did

03:16:57.180 with he had a whip yes he chased them out of the thing there there how did he chase them out with a

03:17:02.140 whip sir right yeah with a yeah with a whip right correct it's like i have a gun i don't shoot

03:17:07.980 remember that time you asked me to give you the bible verse okay yes then you did i don't know why

03:17:11.980 you're arguing to concede that what i said was true do that okay okay the way jesus the way jesus was

03:17:19.260 friends with mary magdalene while not maybe appreciating her lifestyle of choice might be a

03:17:24.460 more comparable thing than debt collectors in the temple in in the middle east why why because i'm

03:17:31.340 choosing to use an example that works for the situation that i'm talking about choosing what you

03:17:35.740 want to to uphold your simpish worldview i don't have a simpish worldview yeah you've been kind of a

03:17:42.060 simp this whole podcast oh at all what what have i simped about decent human being no one's even

03:17:48.220 asked my opinion on only fans i have strong opinions which i've mentioned a few times i don't like what

03:17:53.020 she's doing to try to get more attention on this podcast by being aggressive to no i i i i was

03:17:59.980 respecting everyone that's what a that's what a uh that's what that's how these conversations remain

03:18:05.980 like that are productive in my in my experience excuse me no they would be a lot more productive if you

03:18:11.740 weren't very selective in the things that you chose like for instance when i bring this up when i bring

03:18:17.020 up the kind of christian value that i'm looking at yes clearly i'm far more informed on this than you

03:18:21.820 are okay for some reason you still question what i said like i didn't know what i was talking but

03:18:26.700 clearly i do and i'm telling you that this real good feel good version of christianity that you

03:18:32.620 ascribe to is total nonsense we don't know what i describe to it's it's what we call head canon wow

03:18:39.100 okay so here's here is my world view on that uh is that there's jesus had many things when people

03:18:46.060 talk about being christ-like they don't refer to the one time he lost his temper on debt collectors

03:18:50.460 you're being just as selective as i am being to make a point no i'm not being selective i'm telling you

03:18:55.580 both things are true at the same time so it's true that we should be forgiving yeah it's true even true

03:19:00.620 that we should have compassion but that doesn't mean avoiding it didn't avoid and which is objective

03:19:05.980 reality and truth and so we need to point both of these out and understand that the message that

03:19:11.660 we're pointing out is that yes you are a sinner go and sin no more here's the sin that you're doing

03:19:17.420 but in order to evoke a reaction out of a person so they even recognize what sin they're committing

03:19:21.740 you have to be very blunt and sometimes provocative jesus also did this through the use of parables

03:19:27.820 that was to be as provocative as he could possibly be for the time frame that he was in

03:19:35.500 you clearly weren't here to see how these things are going

03:19:39.340 because it's been a very it's been a consensus that the behavior has been a pretty wild and

03:19:45.340 tumultuous and not very christ-like by anyone's selective definition andrew and you don't know my

03:19:50.940 worldview on these things i'm not a simp and if you take a browse of me at all

03:19:54.780 you gave me head canon so i do know your world view your real view is that you don't know the

03:19:58.940 canon that you're espousing you just i've never heard of them i've never heard jesus whipping

03:20:02.860 anyone and you didn't give me a good bible verse to say that he whipped anyone just because he had

03:20:07.100 a whip to chase debt collectors out of the temple you're being just as selective from some ropes and

03:20:12.780 chased them out of the temple with with a whip yeah he chased them out he didn't whip people he wasn't

03:20:17.740 flogging people what did he have the whip for so that people could see you startle them out of the

03:20:23.580 temple for making a mockery of god's right so do you think he was prepared to use the whip or is

03:20:29.820 there a difference between owning a gun pointing a gun and shooting a gun andrew there's two of those

03:20:34.620 are totally different would be if somebody owned a gun and then pointed it at you would you assume

03:20:38.620 that the intent was to not use it yes but i wouldn't say they shot me would i you said he whipped

03:20:42.780 people say listen dude you're you're literally parsing words why are we talking you just said

03:20:48.380 like i wait you probably whip people like jesus would do which is so silly andrew i think you're

03:20:54.220 being really inappropriate right now because this guy that came in here today is a good guy he's a

03:20:58.780 nice guy you're a good guy right you're a nice guy he's non-judgmental every joke he says which is

03:21:05.580 like a whiplash you're just here you're a good guy you're funny you're silly you're you're fun

03:21:11.180 everything's a great time this is what the episode's been just about her doing this okay

03:21:15.340 constantly here let me get through these chats yeah go go to the chat let me get through these

03:21:19.260 chats all right andrew thinks i'm some woke guy that came in here to meet only well if you're gonna if

03:21:25.100 you're gonna talk about rebuking sin then rebuke it okay i don't don't stay on the fence and go

03:21:29.580 what would jesus do that's very simpish bro no it isn't how is that but it is because because

03:21:35.660 what he ascribes to is the buddy christ version of christianity which is pure head canon yes it

03:21:40.860 doesn't exist in reality all right you can like what i don't here's what i'll say to you andrew uh

03:21:46.940 fair enough that's that's how you've that's how you've summed me up from our brief uh thing that

03:21:50.780 we've done here tonight uh but you don't know me at all if that's what you think and that's fine

03:21:55.260 because well how could you know me so it's okay here let's um you guys put away your swords for a

03:22:00.620 second here let me move on from the uh all right we have dr clockwork so you've had two sugar daddies

03:22:06.620 that wanted sex basically you just dated two guys and now regret it because you weren't hot enough to

03:22:10.620 make as much as much as you'd like bfd you're smart but narcissistic thank you do that's it any further

03:22:19.420 response or is that no okay thank you dr clockwork appreciate it man we have way off base here uh

03:22:26.140 oh jesus loves all people and it is not yours to judge judgment and judgment and admonishing

03:22:32.700 are different things but he owned a whip andrew but that is not what you're doing you're still

03:22:38.300 condescending to her you texted the center of the table you said did you submit this

03:22:42.460 no no no i'm not way off way off base i don't know it sounded like something you'd say okay

03:22:51.180 here we got a message here from puffy vegas i gonna rate the girls on a scale of one two

03:22:56.940 one row ten okay dude this no bs all are sevens okay these bitches are andrew look at the comments

03:23:03.420 i'm so happy to be a seven i like being compared to these pretty people okay that's a very sweet

03:23:08.380 comment and we'll go around the table on this what do you rate yourself looks what do you rate

03:23:13.180 your looks on a scale of one to ten starting with you going around the table go ahead

03:23:20.060 am i really rating myself yes just on looks alone just looks just looks seven i'll give it to me okay

03:23:27.900 ah i don't know i don't really know there it really is it changes every day stop it i'm sorry get some help

03:23:34.940 i'm sorry some days look in the mirror and i go i drink a lot i'm bloated i'm a five and other

03:23:42.140 days look in the mirror and do it shia get the fuck off can you just answer the question some

03:23:48.940 days i think i'm a ten some days i can find something's for a ten how about today how do you

03:23:52.940 feel like today saved by the butler donated two hundred dollars watch your mouth when speaking to

03:24:00.860 andrew herpes infected comedy boy i'll reach through that screen and force feed valtrex down

03:24:07.020 your filthy mouth until shit yourself hashtag failed comedian hashtag help yes wow brutal and

03:24:15.420 that's gonna be a kink i think you'd find we're on the same team andrew i don't know if you know me very

03:24:21.740 good go ahead well when when you when you act like we're on the same team i'm gonna definitely get your

03:24:27.260 back man okay okay oh this has been a this has been a fun fun night okay um all right oh scale

03:24:37.180 from one to ten go ahead thank you jay butler by the way appreciate it i would i probably i i really

03:24:43.180 liked how i looked today i was very confident so today you are a god i really liked how i looked

03:24:48.060 in the mirror today a nine a little bit i was a little bit bloated but yeah wait why are you why

03:24:52.380 you laughing at that she's god oh no i don't object to you laughing i'm just curious why you're laughing

03:24:59.980 no because god is a ten so oh you oh it was to the comments god's like an la 100 dude yeah yeah what

03:25:07.180 about you a seven seven okay um into the mic please sorry i don't really know i guess same thing like

03:25:15.660 like a worst day like a six best day like a nine i also have a question actually i forgot it never

03:25:22.060 mind kiki work she thinks she's a ten she's for sure it will

03:25:31.500 ew yeah what about you i would give myself a seven okay uh

03:25:37.020 i think i'm a i think i'm an eight for a 40 year old man yeah and some guy i'm six foot four

03:25:44.940 i give i give myself a five used to be a six now i'm a five i've gotten a little chubby

03:25:51.020 you have a little chubby you have a little bit i've been it's true i've been a long time

03:25:55.580 yeah my face has gotten a little chubbier it happens stress i i stressy i don't yeah yeah me too

03:26:02.300 i don't do drugs i don't smoke i tend to it's it's a stressful show desserts and stuff well i

03:26:07.900 have to get one uh hamburgers carbs yep that's it used to be a six now i'm a five i've gotten

03:26:15.260 i have a dad body right now i need to i'm working on it lads so okay there you have it does it always

03:26:21.020 go like this what like the whole thing no does it ever what do you mean like this like i i don't

03:26:27.340 know it just feels like there's like a lot going on i don't know i haven't watched the podcast

03:26:32.220 no usually there's not there's like usually there's not this much uh vitriol fuckery usually

03:26:39.580 there's not god in the room either yeah and then she's here today so we're get the rocks

03:26:45.820 abdul yeah get the rock get the rocks andrew is it blasphemy for that tattoo she has is that blasphemy

03:26:53.660 yes it's literally the epitome of blasphemy to say i am god is blaspheming the holy spirit it's one of

03:27:03.260 the few things that's an unforgivable sin unforgivable i agree yeah that's that's the

03:27:09.260 actual only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the holy spirit yeah a thousand percent be still for

03:27:14.860 now now still still just so you know there's still a path to grace here okay i'm just explaining to you

03:27:20.620 that that's the worst of the worst of the worst that was literally what satan did satan declared

03:27:25.820 he was god damn amen good times all right that's uh let me see if i have any other notes here so

03:27:38.540 uh um oh we gotta get some we gotta is it my or mia it's mia mia okay uh let's see you are an only

03:27:48.060 fans model yeah you are uh single liberal are you uh did you say you're currently dating multiple

03:27:54.300 partners no no no oh you said something here about multiple partners i said something regarding that

03:27:59.260 i've dated oh in the maybe in the past you've had multiple partners um but not currently there's no

03:28:08.780 guy in the picture no guy in the picture no i don't no no i truly am no guy in the picture there's

03:28:16.300 no guy in the picture you said there was when we were on the couch you said for three years now

03:28:20.780 no you did it no really no she's made stuff up before yeah you were like three years but i'm

03:28:29.660 private okay like you like quoted someone and it just did not happen and everyone said it didn't

03:28:34.540 happen is really just not real so i think it's oh so you didn't say that on the couch okay i'm i

03:28:38.780 you know what were you at the couch too she's not gonna say nothing okay um yeah so i'm single i'm

03:28:48.620 not seeing anybody i've chosen to kind of keep it this way for the past i want to say six months but

03:28:57.020 i don't know what the truth is what the truth is and what i will say to the chat and not to

03:29:02.300 try to again i don't know what the actual truth is here what i will say

03:29:06.300 is that many times on the show whether they do only fans whether they don't although it

03:29:11.340 happens to be the case that it's more likely if they're female content creators or they do of or

03:29:15.820 something it's very often the case that women are not going to reveal if they're in a relationship

03:29:22.700 publicly because that has a negative impact on their bottom line when it comes to be whether even

03:29:29.500 if they don't do any kind of only fans or sex work it's going to hurt their bottom line even if

03:29:34.940 they're like just a twitch streamer no nudity content creator youtuber because there is this

03:29:39.980 sort of component of if a lot of their audience is male there's this like weird parasocial thing where

03:29:46.700 the men will be more engaged with their content if they think they have a chance with this girl who's

03:29:54.380 single but obviously if the girl has a boyfriend it kind of like most guys are going to be like tap out

03:29:59.180 on that like so uh and especially the case for only fans girls like if it a hundred percent hurts

03:30:06.460 a girl's bottom line if she reveals she's in a relationship so we've had i don't know the truth

03:30:12.060 of your situation but we've had multiple girls come on the show whether they're only fans girls content

03:30:17.180 creators who will come on the show say they're single and then we saw their boyfriend drop them off

03:30:23.180 hug kiss they tell us after the show oh yeah i'm dating i've been i have a long-term boyfriend

03:30:28.700 for two years so gentlemen just not directed at her but any content any female content creator you

03:30:35.500 should like take it with a grain of salt if they say they're single because it is kind of weird that

03:30:41.340 you just said that um because it's exactly what you told me on the couch i got what is she talking

03:30:48.060 up what happened on the couch no no i'm just saying that was it was almost like you were were you there

03:30:53.260 no but like this that's just like no i said i don't know you're super weird i said i don't know

03:30:58.220 trying to attack her saying that she said thank her who i don't know the truth saying that she kept

03:31:03.420 saying stuff on the couch like she's not talking for herself right now oh i can't speak for myself

03:31:08.460 obviously well you're not going to speak that maybe you should use your hands and cover your

03:31:11.260 fucking mouth again just because clearly you should be stressed and scared the truth that was a great

03:31:15.260 area when she was like that was so good but as you were saying what i was gonna say like maybe

03:31:21.580 maybe people aren't dating people but i would love to ask women just in general how because men are

03:31:26.620 more physical than females typically how many men are you just leading on in your phone for attention

03:31:33.180 like how many guys can you just text right now like and be like what's up or like that guy thinks

03:31:38.460 he kind of has a shot or you think you know he's like oh i flirt with this one girl she works

03:31:42.060 like how how many if i that's why everyone's so nervous when they hand each other their phones

03:31:47.100 or like they'll be like oh i don't want my my boyfriend of 20 years or husband they go don't

03:31:51.740 look at my phone it's an invasion of my privacy it's like well what's really in there what's really

03:31:55.100 going here why don't we start with uh with that'd be more interesting and we'll go around we'll go

03:31:59.580 around the table this way how many people do you get attention from in your phone that are men

03:32:05.020 past things or well obviously with only fans i get a lot of attention but in reality i actually don't

03:32:10.700 intervene or i don't really interact with many men in my actual life so unless it's work related

03:32:15.020 stream related i'm not really engaging with any relationships in that realm so i don't really have

03:32:19.660 any conversations with men i don't really none i obviously do with the people that i'm working

03:32:23.900 with collectively so any of my editors and all that but i don't really allow any flirtations between my

03:32:28.780 actual life and that's just because my own decisions and i really am focused on my job and i really

03:32:33.420 am focused on my life i have three pets at home that i take care of full-time that's something that i take care

03:32:37.580 of and i don't really just entertain any other person right now weird yeah that's just my own

03:32:43.580 take that's been more recent because i love attention i get that was like a big thing that i

03:32:47.340 went through for a long time really yeah yes really i think and if i can say like moving to la from

03:32:53.340 orange county you guys didn't know that i just i don't find any too okay but i just i haven't found

03:32:59.980 anybody in los angeles that i'm like okay i'm gonna devote my time to you and give you any of that if

03:33:04.940 anything i'm trying to find friendships and i'm trying to find my actual realms that i want to

03:33:08.380 remain in such a soul cycle or anything fun that i enjoy as opposed to let's date a bunch of people

03:33:15.660 um not anymore but i have but when i did it wasn't like one guy for like months and then he's just

03:33:23.580 miserable it's it'll be like i'm gonna have a fun night tonight and download tinder and just talk to

03:33:28.780 like 10 people and then just never talk to them again which is super bitchy and i don't do it anymore

03:33:34.700 but i've done that before yeah like when i was in my younger years i so it would be like maybe

03:33:42.220 like 50 to 100 yeah yeah throw in a thirst trap yeah but it's right 50 to 100 and you think to

03:33:48.540 yourself like i'm not sleeping with them it's not like i'm hanging out with them we're just talking

03:33:52.460 it's just attention and look it's fun to flirt right yeah 50 to 100 dudes you're talking to

03:33:58.620 well like back then back then what do you mean back then well like maybe when i was like 20 20 to

03:34:08.060 23 at the time well i mean they'll like throw an emoji and you just like respond with emojis back

03:34:14.380 like you know like which emojis like the heart thank you like uh like just an interaction yeah

03:34:22.060 it's like you're right there and like oh my gosh she messaged back type of thing

03:34:25.580 good times what about you actively none also same actively none those of you i feel like those of

03:34:37.420 you who okay those of you who said you're single when's the last time you spent time one-on-one

03:34:44.140 with a guy who is romantically interested in you and you're romantically interested in him

03:34:49.340 a.k.a had p in the v sex with okay is it starting with i guess yeah okay wait what was the question

03:34:58.300 what what's your exact question when is the last sorry i've got to be blunt with it uh when is the

03:35:03.420 last time you've had sexual intercourse with a male like a month ago okay yeah

03:35:11.100 i'm not single oh you have a i have a boyfriend it's hard for me to process that but okay there's

03:35:22.940 a man out there for everyone you have a boyfriend wait how long has he been your boyfriend not long

03:35:27.820 what's his name he just first name i won't say i won't say i won't say fake name give us a fake

03:35:31.340 name um peter um yo we need i need graveyard emojis school emojis in the chat for peter um like uh

03:35:40.300 r.i.p's in the chat for peter bro he's in the chat for peter he is what he is doing right now

03:35:48.380 wait peter peter's having a what peter peter's having a rough time right now we got the skull

03:35:52.940 emojis we got the graveyard in chat it's pretty bad spam it boys graveyard emojis fucking skull

03:35:58.700 emojis r.i.p's in the chat black santa for peter too black santa yeah

03:36:04.380 yeah no love you love i was too late on the button and never mind um okay um

03:36:18.220 oh for wait hold on what was i i had something else that i wanted to oh hold on oh yeah guys go to

03:36:24.380 twitch.tv slash whatever we got more questions for mia mia mia either it's fine well which one

03:36:30.300 i go by mia but a lot of people call me mia she said mia like five times it's i'm challenged okay

03:36:39.260 guys twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub oh my god the twitch is on fire

03:36:44.860 1 400 viewers holy mo oh my god this is like free peter this is peak this is oh my god this is uh

03:36:55.020 peak free peter until it's yo twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub

03:37:00.300 thank you guys so much for all the primes this is this is peak viewership i think on twitch ever so

03:37:05.420 yo free peter on twitch chat free peter hashtag free peter can you pull that up dude deserves a

03:37:11.500 hashtag free peter hashtag free peter bro this guy is most locked up in some

03:37:16.860 fucking dungeon somewhere in fucking boston like this is some can we play the what's that

03:37:21.180 fucking song from the departed what's that fucking song anybody in the chat with that song

03:37:30.300 no it's like the fucking bro this poor guy in fucking boston does he have a bostonian accent

03:37:34.620 he's he's literally this is like stockholm fucking syndrome with this girl he must be like jesus christ

03:37:40.620 he must be debating he's been dating you for two weeks he's already considering like deleting himself

03:37:45.660 that is the extent of his relationship with you what's that song by the fucking the from in the

03:37:51.100 departed nick can you what's the what's the what's the song from the departed shipping up to boston

03:37:56.700 is that the fucking song by the what long live peter long with peter next one vendor the offender

03:38:03.660 did we do the vendor the offender absolutely yeah it's crazy girl that's why he's doing it's never

03:38:09.660 worth it no no no no no there's it's not worth it i'll find that out uh yeah that that is that's

03:38:14.780 a very good point don't ain't no pussy good enough for i wish i hope he's watching free peter yo free

03:38:25.420 peter in the chat peter griffin hashtag free peter in the chat delete that wait did you get the orange

03:38:29.180 peter griffin can we delete him please delete him okay um all right okay all right um we got twitch

03:38:38.140 here let me get you can hide that i gotta pull up theelion now i must say i do love the debates and

03:38:43.980 religious talk but i do want to know to the women in the red what is your pin opinion on the current

03:38:48.060 dating world also love the podcast hey thank you man oh the alien excuse me thank you man appreciate

03:38:52.700 it go ahead yeah it's definitely hard i mean i feel like everyone is um going into relationship it's

03:38:59.340 like what is uh in it for me type of thing and then we're just shying away from actually like

03:39:04.700 being a couple and it's more of like a give and take type of thing word it's true it's true

03:39:13.980 you know what i think you're laughing because you know it's true no i think she's enjoying just

03:39:18.700 that everything's about her so even if it's a negative thing about her she's getting so much

03:39:22.380 delight out of it it's a narcissist that's a fair point that's a very good assessment yeah it's like

03:39:26.380 i don't even care if you say bad things about me as long as it's about me so it's a lot of that

03:39:30.460 yeah one thousand percent yeah how does actually wait no you're not a refugee from ukraine so i was

03:39:36.620 about to for some reason go into the whole ukraine thing oh no no no uh my my entire family is my entire

03:39:42.540 families well not when i say not a refugee i mean a refugee of the current uh ongoing conflict

03:39:48.780 in ukraine no so i'm the only one in my entire family on both sides that's in america besides my

03:39:54.860 mother so all my family is still in ukraine my but bulia masha bulia the julia like they're all

03:40:01.980 like still in there because they don't give a fuck they're like if we get bombed we get bombed and

03:40:07.420 the rest are in ireland and montreal canada that's even the men or just the women the the men and the

03:40:13.900 women yeah none of them are in fighting in the war or anything well you said the rest of them are in

03:40:18.620 ireland ireland yeah ireland yeah ireland and montreal canada those are the two biggest refugee

03:40:25.660 well just all my family like my uh mother's and father's side pretty sure men aren't able to leave

03:40:33.020 ukraine my father did my father did maybe got out somehow i don't know um anyways i'm not trying

03:40:38.460 to get into the fucking he is black he is very black market but no he's in montreal right now with

03:40:43.260 his family okay all right uh let's talk about let's go around the table what's uh fuck it normally i do

03:40:50.940 like a little prompt before this but let's just ask what's everybody's body count starting with you

03:40:55.900 go go ahead i don't count that i think it's immature oh so well okay fine i will do a prompt uh do you

03:41:02.940 object to men caring about a woman's body count do you think it's immature yes you do object i object

03:41:08.700 with everyone thinking that a body count is necessary do you think body count does what do you mean

03:41:13.980 necessary i just think it's immature i mean okay uh we'll come back to that but let's go around the

03:41:19.500 table get everybody's answer what about you do you object to men caring about a woman's body

03:41:25.820 count now they should they absolutely should care about a woman's body count okay all right okay

03:41:35.180 what about you say yes it does matter and minus 12. oh okay there you go 12 okay uh i won't answer

03:41:44.060 the number part but i think that where like i don't think it matters it does matter in a way where

03:41:49.580 it's like because it matters to other people it matters to me you know but i don't personally think

03:41:54.540 there's anything wrong either way but i know there are statistics that show um like people have

03:42:01.740 different um ability to be in long-term relationships and that's correlated to their body count and that's

03:42:09.180 true you know but that's also a statistic and it's not a person kiki

03:42:14.860 it will okay um my body count is 10 and in addition to that i don't necessarily think it's

03:42:23.180 the most important thing to like regard and everything but i do think having an open conversation once

03:42:28.220 in a while is fine especially in a real relationship as opposed to a hookup sure okay i get why people

03:42:34.940 care do you not care like uh no i would like to say like oh it's immature i don't think it's necessary but

03:42:42.460 my real if i'm just honest with myself like i just don't want to know because yeah because i will

03:42:47.340 judge it if i know it so i would never ask a girl i'm dating of it because i just i just clearly do

03:42:52.700 not want to know but wouldn't you rather oh take the red pill and know the truth because it's like

03:43:00.620 that that's but that's where jealousy can be troublesome you know because people do change

03:43:05.260 and people give me the truth i think give me the truth i know well for most things i do most things i

03:43:09.260 want the truth i need the truth i'm a big truth guy i think for body counts because one i've been

03:43:13.820 very reckless in my young life with it and i spend a lot of my life being an alcoholic so my body count

03:43:19.020 is very high that i'm not proud of in hindsight no way and then also the uh the people i know that i

03:43:25.420 might hypocritically put my judgments on the girl so i just can't hear it i can't hear it because i

03:43:31.500 will judge it so it's better to just not know for me dude i just want to let you know that is

03:43:36.380 simp like behavior what is it's really not it's just maturity it is it's really simp like behavior

03:43:42.380 whenever you respect a woman i'm afraid that i will be a judge or in your particular case you're

03:43:48.140 saying um i don't want to know because if i do know i might take a negative outlook right but that's

03:43:55.820 the whole point is we want you to take a negative outlook based on that and the fact that you don't

03:44:01.500 is one of the big problems that we're having in society that's the point yeah what problems

03:44:06.380 because i think that body count is also not indicative of a person at all because sometimes

03:44:10.380 things happen uh let me explain why i can't change it to answer to answer your question the reason that

03:44:16.700 it's a problem is because what it allows is it allows promiscuity to kind of operate unfettered okay

03:44:23.420 so what happens by men not producing judgment on women who are very loose women or have sex with many

03:44:30.060 partners under the guise of i don't want to know uh it actually encourages women to do this behavior

03:44:36.300 because they feel like there'll be no society or societal or social repercussions that's the problem

03:44:42.300 i don't think that everyone should just like have sex all the time with whoever all the time

03:44:47.100 like i think that can be dangerous for a person but also i think it needs to be considered that um

03:44:51.900 that has nothing to do with what i just said can you answer to what i just said

03:44:55.340 what what i was going what i said specifically is that the reason this is such a problem

03:45:02.620 is because if you don't use the shame tactic for women in society for being highly promiscuous

03:45:09.260 then what ends up happening is it creates an open license for them to be highly promiscuous because

03:45:15.020 the way that they operate in society is based heavily around judgment the so women tend to trend

03:45:20.700 towards what society judges as being appropriate or inappropriate so if they think this is

03:45:25.820 appropriate and there's no repercussions they'll do it and that's exactly the trend we see right

03:45:30.300 now can you answer to that jesus christ this guy is that um there's a difference between thinking

03:45:37.500 that promiscuity is is is appropriate or that promiscuity is okay and a body count being okay

03:45:43.660 because a body count is history promiscuity it's proxy for promiscuity yeah that is history of being

03:45:51.340 promiscuous okay go ahead go ahead finish your point not everyone gets to choose their body count

03:45:56.380 what what does that mean what in the world does that mean you know i know i know what you're saying

03:46:01.580 i know i know what you're saying i don't the the reality is though women who have high body counts

03:46:08.060 it's not typically because the hundreds say say a girl's been with a hundred men okay her body

03:46:15.500 counts a hundred what percentage would you attribute that to and i know what you're getting at to sa

03:46:22.060 mm-hmm it's not even one necessarily that also i don't think you would count that as a body to

03:46:27.660 be honest i don't even think that that's where she was going also when it comes to body count let's

03:46:31.900 here let's just even remove that off the table consent consensual body count let's say that

03:46:38.060 there's like a kind of a line though because like while men want to judge a body count they're

03:46:43.020 also going to be really quick to try to get any women in their vicinity to hook up with them and

03:46:47.820 like if a woman says no the first time and then like gets pressured a little bit and a little bit

03:46:52.380 more that happens with most oh i see so women don't have agency i got it that's not true it's not it's not

03:47:00.940 about like actually being like held down like it's it's you just are you so you don't have the agency

03:47:07.420 to say no kind of yeah that's ridiculous why don't you have the agency to say no i think that

03:47:14.380 as a society we have a kind of culture where like i know bad things like i i have there's bad outcomes

03:47:23.820 when you do that and like society has like literally conditioned women to um be more okay and more

03:47:31.740 susceptible to that so this is perfect so this leads right into my point which is that if we as

03:47:37.020 a society use shame tactics or open tactics for what we want to see as the outcome in society then

03:47:45.500 you're actually making my point for me which is that you feel like society rewards these high pressure

03:47:51.180 tactics and what i'm saying is that we as a society should not reward women for promiscuity we should

03:47:57.180 reward them for saying no and so they'll say no more this way in this particular way both sides win

03:48:04.220 right so the whole goal is to bring down promiscuity i think that the the focus should be shifted a

03:48:10.300 little bit not towards the people that are that fall victim that are responsible the people that are

03:48:15.020 responsible man and both parties are responsible is the thing no no well no not really they're not

03:48:22.140 hang on let me hang on let me just correct this and then i'll let you speak they're not

03:48:26.860 responsible women are the gatekeepers of sex not men women are the gatekeepers of sex they've

03:48:32.540 always been the gatekeepers of sex and they always will most men were not even able to procreate

03:48:37.660 historically only a small percentage of them were because women are the gatekeepers of sex so no

03:48:43.020 both parties are not responsible one party's really responsible well what you're saying is

03:48:48.620 i need to have an ability to say no to someone yes a guy in my same position

03:48:54.460 he's saying yes why is no one talking about him what does that have to do with you saying no

03:49:01.660 stop using so stop using the female martial art what about the mendo and instead use your own form

03:49:09.980 of argumentation and say this is a bad behavior in women without sourcing what about men

03:49:15.900 what's your body take responsibility but can i can i give the okay what's your body count

03:49:25.260 can i just yeah let's say it was four million what would that have to do with my point

03:49:30.860 that's like dangerous and like that i don't think that's okay like i don't think that's good for you

03:49:36.780 like i think well you just got done saying nobody even has responsibility for it's not even a big deal

03:49:41.020 now it's not okay if mine's four million no i'm saying that like it does matter i'm saying that

03:49:48.860 i agree with you that no one should be as promiscuous as they want but i'm just saying when it's at four

03:49:54.540 million it's kind of he was being facetious i know yeah i'm trying to make a point which is that

03:50:00.940 regardless of how high it is nowhere near as high as yours but regardless is how of how high it is

03:50:06.780 it wouldn't really matter to the point the point is is that women are the gatekeeper of sex

03:50:11.660 and simps who say i don't care about how many sexual partners you've had no i said i don't want to

03:50:17.980 add to the problem of promiscuity in society that's it so what i'm saying is that these things follow

03:50:24.620 each other i was saying i don't want to know i just don't want to know that's all i know but we need

03:50:30.380 you to say you do want to know because that's part of the problem that you don't that's i don't want

03:50:35.180 to know but also to her point like take take the scenario of like earlier you guys said that men

03:50:41.820 are stronger than women right like physically yes so if you're in a situation where say you're on like

03:50:47.740 a first tinder date let's just put the scenario out there you've never met this man it's like a hookup

03:50:52.700 type thing you kind of don't want to hook up with him but a man is stronger so if you're gonna say no

03:50:59.580 sorry sorry go if you're gonna say no and a man is over you being like well i want to do this as a

03:51:06.460 woman because we are technically weaker than men like physically it is scary to say no because a man

03:51:13.420 can literally take over you and be like i'm gonna do this anyway can i correspond to that that's okay

03:51:18.780 so wait wait let's hang on let's let i gotta ask i gotta ask this real quick go ahead um you're what

03:51:25.260 you're actually saying there is the reason that you say yes to a man being persistent about sex

03:51:33.580 is because you're afraid that he's going to sa you sometimes yeah you yeah but that's ridiculous

03:51:39.900 why clearly well because clearly you have tons and tons of sexual suitors and you must say no to

03:51:45.740 them all the time what you can not be around what even no no don't do the what that just just answer to

03:51:52.140 what i'm saying that's not clear do you have a ton of sexual suitors yes or no no you don't no no

03:52:00.060 okay so you're the one woman on planet earth who doesn't have a lot of men who are in your dms things

03:52:06.700 like this we're trying to pursue some kind of relationship with you okay so what's your point

03:52:10.940 that you can have sex with a lot of people and you just lied to me right your point is is that i could

03:52:15.740 message a man and say i want to have sex with you that is true no but that point is to say that you

03:52:21.340 obviously like most women who are online and have some kind of online presence are probably

03:52:26.940 propositioned tons and tons of times by men all the time and you have some kind of way in which

03:52:33.340 you probably politely rebuff them and don't even put yourself in that situation correct can i talk

03:52:38.220 about that it's actually crazy because i for a really really really really really long time would

03:52:43.420 just not ever be alone with a man that i didn't want to have sex with just in case so i would never

03:52:48.300 have to say no tried it once hissy fit yelling at me he yelled at me to get out after talking about

03:52:57.260 blue balls talking about all of this like i oh he didn't so he didn't essay you he just told you to

03:53:02.380 get out i don't like being i i'm just saying men like that you don't lie i mean you may not like it

03:53:07.500 right but this goes to a whole different point than if i said no i would be essayed it sounds like

03:53:12.780 you said no when he threw you out that's a whole different thing right it's when i my point is not

03:53:17.100 that the number of bodies you have equals the amount of time you were essayed my point is that

03:53:23.020 people get scared to say no because there can be consequences and the severity of those

03:53:27.340 consequences but the answer for fear shouldn't be sex or you should there's there's so many ways you

03:53:32.940 i don't subscribe to anything of like well i felt the pressure side and you just you i tell my sisters

03:53:38.140 and my nieces that it's like you just you yeah he's gonna call you a bitch or something but like

03:53:42.220 you don't the answer isn't just going along with whatever they want i am so sick and tired of women

03:53:47.980 not taking responsibility for their own actions for sexual assault yes okay and i'll tell you exactly

03:53:54.140 why it is 100 completely preventable you don't show up yes it is okay here's can you talk about all

03:54:00.780 the women in foreign countries that are literally being forced against their will to have sex with men

03:54:05.420 yeah are we talking about foreign countries right now are we talking about which is here in the

03:54:10.940 united states i'm talking to her let's talk about yeah thank you andrew we're talking about here and

03:54:15.020 this is what i will you just are you taking a break back there or yeah okay you get with me going huh

03:54:20.860 you get with me going yeah yeah i just wasn't sure um i think that uh and remember we were saying

03:54:25.340 like radical feminism i think camille paglia says it really well women have been painting

03:54:29.500 themselves to be these really small wholesome soft creatures that can't say no i'm so tired of these

03:54:34.940 weak women sexual i can't say that essay is a hundred percent preventable and here's how yes

03:54:43.500 it is and here's how you don't put yourself in a situation to be essayed you don't go into a party

03:54:49.020 where there's a majority men where you're under the influence and you're taking drugs and you're

03:54:52.940 getting you're drinking where you have the chance to be drug men have men drug women they drug you they

03:55:00.460 whatever it is so that's preventable you can one thousand percent you don't wear your nicest mink coat

03:55:06.460 in the ghettos because you know for a fact there's a chance of you getting robbed you don't display

03:55:11.980 yourself in a place where you know that men that are under the influence will take an advantage of

03:55:16.540 you you can 100 say no take responsibility for yourself okay so so if i want to go to a bar in

03:55:22.700 sweats and a hoodie and i go to a bar just to have fun with my girlfriends i'm allowing men to take

03:55:28.220 advantage of me no that's what you just said no i'm saying that it really is i think the problem

03:55:34.060 the problem that she made with her point which unfortunately uh because people become very

03:55:38.780 pedantic and they don't go to the point that's being made they go to the pedantry around it

03:55:43.340 so let's not just say we won't say all then we're just not as a monolith not every one of them is

03:55:48.540 preventable right right but what she's saying is the heart of what she's saying is that most of this

03:55:54.140 is preventable by using common sense wouldn't that be a more accurate way of putting that

03:55:58.540 yeah thank you that's what i'm saying i think it's very i think it's very easy to say there's no such

03:56:03.660 thing as there's no absolute truth to anything there is always an outlier yes so you going to a

03:56:08.140 bar hanging out with your friends and sweats i highly doubt a man's going to look at you and want

03:56:11.980 to drug you but they may and they may look at you and they may drug you and that is one of those

03:56:15.660 circumstances that you cannot prevent at all there is a smart way of handling your drink and being

03:56:20.380 conscious of your your environment but yes the vast majority of of sexual assault is 100 preventable

03:56:27.420 okay period period thank you andrew i actually agree with what you said you shouldn't put yourself in

03:56:33.100 the situations but to like circle back right to the beginning you gave a lot of excuses for like

03:56:39.100 she's 19 she's 19 she's 19 so think about it when you were 19 you go to house parties you do these

03:56:46.380 dumb stupid things you get fake ids you go to bars and it's easy to be an andrew or myself and say

03:56:53.340 like well looking back i was that guy who was a drunk asshole idiot pressuring girls come on just

03:56:59.260 touch i've been that guy and that's what i was trying to say one of my answer about body counts

03:57:03.660 andrew is that i'm not simping i'm just saying that i'm a little realistic of how young people behave

03:57:07.900 and how i used to behave and how these things are you can have you can have a uh a perspective of that

03:57:13.660 do i think we should shame can i explain why i think it's simping uh you can in a second you can

03:57:17.980 you can in a second yeah let me finish uh or sorry i didn't mean like let me finish i just made let me

03:57:23.100 finish you're fine i don't mean to cut you off i just want to give you an explanation when you're

03:57:26.620 ready right now i'm trying to be realistic that i was definitely part of that problem while also

03:57:31.740 having some grace of my past self of being like when you're young you don't care a lot of these

03:57:35.820 conversations young people don't even care about they're like why are they talking about this

03:57:39.100 and who get you're just young you just do young stupid people shit and now that i'm my age i go

03:57:43.740 yeah you're not your future self's gonna be pretty upset that you did only fans your future self is

03:57:48.220 going to be very upset that you made the decisions you made with boyfriends and girlfriends and parties

03:57:52.780 and things like that it's easy for 40 year old jeff to sit here the people that vote no on abortion

03:57:57.820 generally are married nice people who believe that they're babies they're not thinking about when they

03:58:01.900 were 18 and they just wanted to fuck their girlfriend so i'm just i'm when with all my answers i'm

03:58:07.740 simply just trying to have some grace about how young people think about things well the reason

03:58:14.700 that this is thank you don go ahead i'm sorry go ahead andrew the reason this is such simp like

03:58:19.500 behavior okay because what's really going on is you're demonstrating that there could be a standard

03:58:26.460 for you and the standard for you is like when you're young and you're crazy you had a lot of sex and

03:58:30.460 you were promiscuous and this type of thing right okay and so you apply that to women as well and so you

03:58:37.180 say well if that was true of me then it would be hypocritical for me to say to women hey uh you

03:58:44.140 had a lot of sex and this type of thing when you were younger too but it's not actually a hypocrisy

03:58:48.460 because men and women value different things in each other men value chastity of women and women

03:58:54.620 don't really value the chastity of men right and so what ends up happening is you really push in and you

03:59:00.380 create kind of a problem when you when you say that we're interchangeable widgets this way we're

03:59:06.460 really not and that's what makes it simp like behavior okay well i don't like the term simp like

03:59:11.500 behavior but you're just you're uh your your explanation is i agree with your explanation

03:59:17.180 then the title is pretty fucking immature simp like behavior andrew i think well i mean i think it just

03:59:23.340 i don't think you put that in one of your books simp like behavior yeah well i think it just kind

03:59:28.060 of captures a thing which most people can grasp and so if you're a skilled debater one of the things

03:59:33.980 that you want to do is bring the idea to the level that people can understand it the best way

03:59:37.900 possible when i say simp nobody's confused by what that means and when i say simp like behavior

03:59:43.420 it means behavior which leads to men simping thank you more that was really good andrew wasn't and you

03:59:51.900 would be very fun at dinner parties that was really good andrew i think you and andrew should get married

03:59:55.980 i don't think andrew would like you at all i think that you are really far off on that i like him he

04:00:04.140 doesn't have to like me but i like andrew what do you think of her i don't like her a bit i think she's

04:00:09.820 completely disingenuous and i think that the entirety of this conversation she's taken whichever

04:00:15.900 side she thinks will get her the most amount of attention and right now she feels like she's on the

04:00:20.300 winning side which is of course me because i'm awesome and so she's simping as well yeah i think

04:00:26.220 so i agree okay somebody sent me an instagram dm that it's a story you took perhaps even today

04:00:34.700 and there are a lot of pill bottles behind you are you currently on any medications yeah no just

04:00:42.140 i'm on just on one i'm on on an ssri it's really funny isn't it you look like you would be on ssri

04:00:47.260 so it's funny that you're like laughing bro this girl wants the smoke from fucking everybody

04:00:51.340 um no no so i'm i'm on i'm on paroxetine i'm on paxil i've been on it since i was 18 years old

04:00:56.780 that's an ssri yeah yeah yeah i'm on 40 milligrams and then in terms of other medication i know i've had

04:01:02.780 i have uh i suffer from really severe migraines as of the last few months yeah it's been really

04:01:07.260 bad i've been in a headache clinics i had a ct scan so i'm on medications for my you ever met a male

04:01:11.980 that behaves like her i actually hate to say this but there are certain uh drugs which i believe are

04:01:19.100 classified as ssris which do help with migraines i actually i hate to come in and actually defend but

04:01:25.020 that is true why can't you just we believe we believe her too we think she is on a lot of pills

04:01:29.500 yeah what i was saying is if any man behaved the way she does there would be already a fist fight

04:01:34.620 between these two definitely these two and occasionally these two like if if i ever said

04:01:40.460 like the laughing during a vulnerable story or the uh you look like this or i mean this was

04:01:47.180 pretty pretty aggressive like stopping me it's only a table really all right wait from what

04:01:53.100 from who who you want to beef with her yeah me why why she didn't do anything to me but she's

04:01:59.340 oh hella disrespectful oh so you want to smack her is what you're saying i was gonna wait show of

04:02:05.100 hands show of hands who at the table immediately want to what's your name again valve valve that's your

04:02:14.140 name that's a fake name that's who he at the who at the table wants to

04:02:20.540 is inclined have sex no oh yeah be my ass smack yeah i think she could use some i don't hit women so

04:02:28.940 i'm not raising my hand here but y'all are women are you in you guys i mean i i would if you you feel

04:02:35.020 like you want to like i you want to smack i don't try to beat cops either so i wouldn't just put a hand

04:02:42.140 on her but she obviously would deserve one what about you was that a hand raise no i'm just

04:02:48.620 no the things i want to do the things i actually do are two different yeah i'm just trying to have

04:02:52.620 a conversation one thing i did want to say is like if you guys stop what knowledge obviously you guys

04:02:56.780 were listening to her story but i'm not saying that it's untrue at all you came from ukraine you

04:03:01.500 said that your family's out there or they're abroad and instead of making commentary or fighting

04:03:07.340 with you and like oh that's so funny bingo your family's not around or whatever i could have said

04:03:11.900 to literally repeat what you did to me like you're just trying to make yourself sound better

04:03:15.820 than all of us instead of actually having a conversation exactly but something that i could

04:03:19.020 have done i don't think i'm better than any of you you literally have a tattoo that says i am god

04:03:22.860 yeah clearly you do yeah something that something that you did unto me i did not do unto you if

04:03:29.180 anything if you guys had even looked at me for a moment during that time that you're sharing that

04:03:33.820 vulnerability because i think it's vulnerable i was very empathetic and it actually broke my heart to

04:03:38.060 hear that because i shouldn't okay regardless i felt sorry because hearing that isn't fun and i

04:03:45.900 didn't have any need to be an asshole and say bingo or there you go or fuck you too like you did deserve

04:03:53.660 and i wouldn't do that and that's what you did well i would have made a really good timing and you

04:03:57.260 would have been correct okay this isn't about timing this is about having a conversation like a

04:04:01.820 fucking funny this is just having a real yeah and that and that would all made sense if she had said

04:04:05.900 that okay it was like funny for a little bit and like now it's just like yeah that's how i felt when

04:04:14.860 you were talking for the first hour okay i told i was like stop asking me questions i was like you

04:04:22.780 want to keep asking and then i was like okay my turn's done and then i chilled out yeah this is

04:04:28.540 and then you cried it circled back to me enjoying it again oh wait i have something for this hold on

04:04:41.980 it's true bro what the fuck why would i be friends with her y'all want jesus y'all i mean it's mostly

04:04:47.900 you to be honest i mean it's mostly been you you just i wonder if the even the pink girl shirt she

04:04:53.100 left because of you could have been didn't just leave during her little spiel and yeah wow yeah

04:04:59.660 i put fully the blame on you for pink shirt girl i don't think i was talking in that time oh yeah

04:05:05.820 you girl there was definitely a lot of things a little too much oh well she's toned it down

04:05:11.660 does she know what she's saying no that's the question wait is it would it can we pull would

04:05:16.540 it be rude to pull up that girl's instagram again because like i don't know if you y'all know

04:05:20.220 yeah i noticed i don't know if y'all noticed but have you ever seen someone in person and seen

04:05:28.060 their instagram and been like you don't look no don't like how you look like the the one the

04:05:36.460 bottom one the bottom i don't agree bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom

04:05:41.580 yeah this is false advertising can you can you no no can you show it can you show it click

04:05:45.420 that one yeah that one wait other side hello i think she kind of looks like that so nope other

04:05:52.540 side she's pretty yeah real life and on instagram but this is not what she looks like i mean x out

04:06:00.380 she does look like that she does look like that but it looks like she doesn't be like you're a

04:06:04.460 completely different person uh the the pinned one the very top at the very top i think that looks like

04:06:10.140 her that looks like her that looks like her uh i don't think so maybe with some editing i think yes

04:06:15.900 the face has face up and that's fine it's smooth but i think that's her body yeah she's just x x out

04:06:21.900 of them and then the the one below the one in the red the one that we're covering

04:06:30.460 i'm not talking body just like the face i think she's facetimed or done something i don't know yeah but

04:06:37.660 but then also uh there's not there's not the roundish face the shape of the face isn't even

04:06:44.140 the same i know i'm gonna sound like a jerk being a chick right now but i'm being a chick right now

04:06:48.220 talking about her no i don't know i agree with that disagree so you're not being a chick wait all

04:06:53.900 the chicks agree or disagree disagree they disagree with me i mean to an extent she does not look like

04:07:00.460 her photos at all i don't think at all at all is an overstatement well i suppose the the okay i don't

04:07:11.500 think i'll take the bullet here i don't think that anyone would see the girl that was sitting here

04:07:16.380 today with us and go ewee gross no one would think that she's objectively a beautiful attractive girl

04:07:22.060 but if i saw that girl on instagram that like behavior bro you know i'm just like

04:07:27.100 prefacing it before i finished my sentence jesus christ andrew it's here's the thing i don't think

04:07:33.340 anyone would see that girl and go ewee gross and think she's not saying but if i'm not saying

04:07:38.380 you're not i'm not saying but if i messaged her on on instagram seeing those eight pictures and she

04:07:43.100 showed up i would be pissed off because that is not the same girl it's not the same i was agreeing with

04:07:48.700 oh i see i see okay so you're yeah i'm not i'm not saying that she's i agree that's that's false

04:07:53.820 advertising that instagram is not what she looks like in real life that's glamour i don't know

04:08:00.140 now andrew can comment on my simp like comments jesus christ you're not a simp you're just a human

04:08:05.420 with common decency i think my answers are just too long or something listen the girls in the room

04:08:10.620 know he's a simp right like he's kind of a simp am i lying respectful he's just like nice and respectful

04:08:16.460 and if that's yeah like like that's what i don't to be a normal decent human being i don't think

04:08:22.140 check out my post about only fans on my instagram andrew check out my post about women see how i

04:08:27.180 talk about these subjects and how i was a young life leader for years i grew up in the in in church

04:08:33.500 you you're you're hearing a sentence of me just trying to be reasonable and not go you guys are

04:08:38.300 whores put your twit tits away because i don't have to say any of that what's that i didn't say any of

04:08:43.420 that no but you want me to be that guy and i'm not that guy i'm nice i just want you to acknowledge

04:08:50.300 some of the situations of reality and the situations of realities that men and women are held to a

04:08:55.740 different standard because we're not alike we're not really very alike at all i agree we're completely

04:09:01.340 different and when you source and you say look at my twitter look at my this look at my that nothing

04:09:06.140 tells the truth about a man better than how he interacts with a person that is person here's the

04:09:10.860 question and i've been wildly respectful with the adults in the room you can behave with each

04:09:16.220 other than that here you have a question go ahead do you think did you think there was like

04:09:22.220 what percentage excuse me what chance did you think you had when you first walked in what chance

04:09:27.660 do you think you have now of what home with any of us i'm not that's not any of my goals that's

04:09:33.740 what that's not really the point that's what i'm saying so it's kind of weird to be like oh like

04:09:38.140 like what is it are you saying i don't have a motive to be nice to you are you saying you want

04:09:42.060 to fuck a jeff i'm saying just say it we're all just saying that jeff is a decent human being

04:09:48.540 i actually ship you guys jeff can i can i get this set up you in there yeah i'm just saying no but

04:09:54.380 you're saying i have no motive she's 19 remember i'm not trying to look good for the internet i'm

04:09:58.860 trying to be reasonable to the people that i'm with do you guys object the there's an age gap there he

04:10:03.100 is 40 i'm pretty old for these gals andrew you can't see me but i'm 40 years old i don't think i

04:10:08.060 would i didn't come in here going i'm trolling for puss you you wouldn't be attracted to a giga

04:10:12.860 chat like andrew but isn't that what i think you're missing the point the point is to state

04:10:19.980 uh who you would have sex with and who you wouldn't but you're saying that he's being a

04:10:23.420 sim right now hang on what is the goal of a sim i'm almost done hang on my point is to say that

04:10:29.580 the behavior that you are exhibiting perpetuates an ongoing societal issue it's not to give a

04:10:36.460 statement as to what you're going to do in the here and the now it's just to say that that it's

04:10:42.140 this sort of mindset which is talked about being a decent human very often in the red pill community

04:10:47.340 uh at least the prominent ones i've listened to which andrew if you can think that this is

04:10:52.860 a bunch of men on the internet please stf you you don't even believe in morals stop lecturing

04:10:59.900 someone make blondie hold a crucifix and see if she will she will burn that's very funny

04:11:06.540 uh andrew thank you nickelodeon the only reason i'm referencing that is because it would be pretty

04:11:10.300 silly for me to go on a tirade about how i feel about these subjects i was just saying but check

04:11:14.140 out the video that i have that is like millions and millions of views of of women getting mad at me

04:11:18.540 for me saying women are different than us and they are held to a different standard and in fact my

04:11:22.220 favorite thing about a women my favorite thing about women is that they're not men stop pretending to be

04:11:26.460 us we're dudes rule women rule but we're different i'm not trying to do all these bits what i was

04:11:31.900 saying is weird but this is a really weird thing to say that you won't even let and that we're

04:11:36.620 different but the very first thing you do is you hold yourself to the same standard and hold men to

04:11:41.260 the same standard you hold women to and that if you knew and you understood that we're different you

04:11:46.620 wouldn't hold that same standard because we value different things that's my whole point

04:11:50.860 notice how we let you finish i think almost every single time you you let them get halfway and then

04:11:56.300 you're like oh they haven't explained it yet this is the perfect opportunity for me to start talking

04:12:00.940 before they're able to explain why their point is i've talked a lot less than you have

04:12:05.900 but i didn't interrupt you okay let's move off from this topic i have perhaps a light-hearted thing that

04:12:12.700 yeah light-hearted so to the panel starting with you okay if you had to choose would you rather your

04:12:21.500 boyfriend cheat on you with a girl who is hotter oh that's a good question or uglier than you yeah

04:12:28.780 wait would i rather my boyfriend cheat on someone hotter or uglier cheat on you cheat on you with

04:12:33.260 someone who is hotter or uglier than you which one i mean i wouldn't prefer them to cheat on me regardless

04:12:38.780 if you had to pick would it probably uglier what will piss you off more oh what would piss me off

04:12:44.780 more prettier obviously because it's an ego thing okay i'd be devastated if she was prettier than me

04:12:52.780 yeah if she was prettier than me i'd be like hurt my eagle yeah yeah how ugly

04:13:00.300 average if like my boyfriend was like i thought this person was good enough and i also think you're

04:13:05.820 good enough i'd be like you don't know how to make decisions you know so if it's like if it's like

04:13:09.740 a if it's like a four or lower i'd be like prettier because at least he has good taste

04:13:19.820 word mia um fuck i'm gonna say i feel more upset okay if if she was uglier solely because i'd assume

04:13:32.060 that if you're cheating you're doing it because there's an advantage other than obviously this sucks

04:13:36.700 i'm like oh like if i'm gonna cheat might as well have somebody that's prettier i don't know

04:13:40.780 word okay let me see oh what if they look just like you perfect would that piss you off they got

04:13:47.980 a different person that looks exactly like you like what if she was latina but she was five yeah

04:13:52.060 you're like wait what the hell i look like that and you're like yeah you've she's got a better

04:13:55.340 personality she's five that's fair she's an inch taller an inch taller than you

04:13:59.500 yeah that no that wouldn't okay yeah all right if she looks like me i guess there's confusion for

04:14:07.660 sav right yeah uh you have i i wanted to ask about your instagram bio you have crime yeah because a

04:14:15.340 lot of people are confused with my what does that mean so a lot of people are confused with like the

04:14:19.580 way that i spell my instagram name because it's c-c-r-y-m-e so a lot of people think it's

04:14:24.380 crimey but it's really pronounced crime that's why i have it oh that's just okay yes and you also

04:14:29.020 have a crime tattoo correct just for my instagram and so is that is that like a pseudonym or what no

04:14:35.260 honestly the only reason why i have that instagram name is because one of my best friends like

04:14:39.020 honestly came up with it because a while ago i was trying to like figure out what like name i

04:14:43.420 should go by and he was like oh crime is cool but like spell it differently and i was like all right

04:14:47.100 okay so i just stuck with it and you do only fans correct yeah you do

04:14:50.380 you boy girl what kind of content do you do um i sometimes make content with the man that i'm like

04:14:57.580 seeing but usually it's just content by myself okay but you have done boy boy girl content with

04:15:03.500 multiple people or just one no just one oh just one okay i see um athena did you want to tell us

04:15:10.620 about the influencers or no no no i think you didn't right uh i you didn't want to talk about

04:15:15.900 but i the reason is like they threesomes so i said that keep going like just to respect their

04:15:23.180 privacy and they those kind of people like are very um like they're very used to people talking

04:15:28.060 about it you know so that's extra annoying for them okay all right interesting they're not crazy

04:15:34.060 like famous they're not it's not like something crazy good it's not like drake but like i knew people

04:15:41.180 that knew them i didn't know them and then some one of my friend was like oh my god really i was like

04:15:45.100 like they're like a little okay word oh no it was the girl in pink who had the celebrity yeah

04:15:55.900 i don't believe any any of that you don't think so yeah no because she she backpedaled everything

04:16:01.020 she would say did you notice that she's like well i was drunk wait like i don't think i'm sorry not

04:16:05.820 to cut him but didn't you say that she deleted a message oh yeah what was the message that's what i was so

04:16:10.060 confused about oh no no no she there was like a because she said she was traditional and i saw a

04:16:15.820 photo on her instagram that was like super traditional super traditional right and then

04:16:23.340 but when i went to look at it it she i guess she archived it because she had changed it or something

04:16:29.100 so there's only eight posts i thought that was interesting the day before you go on the whatever

04:16:33.340 podcast you only have eight posts that's what i was alluding to actually you can just hide i think

04:16:37.820 we saved it nick if you go into the podcast folder uh dropbox podcast thumbnails thumbs go to 126

04:16:46.460 i think we have it i'll tell you what the number is if you you well we'll find you we you guys we're

04:16:52.140 gonna find you this photo can't hoodwink us we because i'm not maybe it's it was in one of her other i

04:16:58.220 don't know thumbs 126 oh and we need to react to the thumbnail okay yeah yeah okay let me know when

04:17:09.340 you uh get let me know when you get into the folder okay okay so it's uh two uh six two uh

04:17:19.980 i'm pretty sure this was one of her it could have been in one of her other uh but i'm pretty sure

04:17:28.220 this was so this was on her instagram i don't listen not making a commentary on this i just don't

04:17:36.780 know if it's all that traditional and it doesn't look like her which i it doesn't look like her the

04:17:42.940 water if it's in water it doesn't count that makes zero fucking funny because that's what you wear

04:17:49.180 when you're in water here let's let's pull the chat chat is that traditional no i don't not

04:17:54.460 traditional i think it's funny but i don't agree we have an expert witness andrew wilson of the

04:18:00.460 crucible what is your verdict traditional or not traditional did you see the i couldn't imagine

04:18:06.860 something being further from well i could did you see the photo uh yeah it's pretty far from

04:18:10.700 traditional i pretty far from tradition okay all right and then oh we have to react to the thumbnail

04:18:15.180 so nick can you pull up the thumbnail it's on one of the tabs i already put it on one of the

04:18:19.420 tabs what's it 304 i like the chat has their own little community they're like responding to each

04:18:24.700 other 304 is an area code that's pretty funny but which area that's a can you make us the smallest i

04:18:29.980 guess so this is the thumbnail unfortunately the girl in the middle could not make it on the show so i

04:18:34.780 guess um is that you me on both sides that's her on both sides on both sides she got double okay

04:18:43.100 the girl in the middle wasn't here so i gotta ask the chat a question we're gonna react we're doing a

04:18:47.820 a reaction to her photo first off chat would you date a girl with a septum piercing that's question

04:18:55.900 what's the septum piercing it's the the piercing she has would you date a girl with are we talking

04:19:02.220 about the middle or are we talking about the middle the middle i mean you have a septum

04:19:05.420 piercing too so i'm not trying to throw shots or whatever um would you and then uh you know she

04:19:12.860 looks like a nice girl you know but i'm just curious i'm asking the chat would you date a girl

04:19:17.820 who has a septum piercing and what about the you know there's the hair the colored hair it's a look

04:19:22.860 i was expecting surprising also not to mention i think y'all edited the thumbnail because oh yeah we

04:19:27.580 not fully green oh yeah we do we do a little touch up we like to touch it up you know we we boost the

04:19:33.340 highlights and whatnot so yeah we do a little touching up there but um you know listen uh don't

04:19:40.060 know the girl she seems nice but uh i don't know the the sometimes you know the color in the hair might

04:19:45.180 be what's that thing in the animal kingdom brightly colored animals danger about peacocks that's

04:19:53.580 talk like i do think the chat just hit on something interesting he's like i'd smash but i wouldn't

04:20:00.300 date and i think that modern women have a real trouble with this mindset of men is that there is

04:20:06.060 a billion there's a billion types of women that i'm like yeah definitely would fuck her i would you

04:20:11.740 know like i would you know like we think of that thing but then we're like we're not gonna like

04:20:16.220 go out with her or like introduce her to our family or like it isn't like a lot because like sex is this

04:20:21.660 thing you know we fucking like it and then sometimes people confuse that like well he

04:20:26.140 fucked me and you're like yeah but i'm not gonna like so yeah i just want to touch on that one because

04:20:32.780 the septum piercings mean they do anal i've never done it that's a funny comment though septum means

04:20:38.540 they do anal it's very funny you are missing out it's very funny i think septum piercings usually

04:20:45.340 mean i've gotten that a lot have a good relationship with your father that's actually

04:20:50.700 so crazy because my dad is like super cool and we're super chill me and my mom i'm talking about

04:20:56.060 piercings in general but uh i'm talking about the relationship between your parents and piercings me

04:21:00.700 and my mom got drunk and got belly button piercings together that's crazy but we're chill

04:21:05.420 like they love me hella hella what they love her hello i would smash the girl with green hair but

04:21:13.740 not so red it's funny that you say that because both of the pictures were me are you from socal

04:21:19.180 i was born here then i moved for most of my life and then i came back you moved where um i'm so i was

04:21:24.780 born in the valley and then i moved to san francisco and then okay back that's why you that's why i said

04:21:29.100 hello can i ask something really if you don't have the answer you can totally sure did something really

04:21:34.460 traumatic jesus hey i'm asking so you don't have to answer that's in the rules to not talk about

04:21:39.740 so it kind of was was it wait traumatic no trauma dumping no no it's not trauma dumping i'm not

04:21:45.820 answering you want a yes or no answer from her is that it was i think i got it why don't you tell

04:21:50.540 it well why don't you tell us you're go analyze me actually i don't want it i'm just asking i'm just

04:21:54.860 asking well but also to like find that's an interesting science experiment right there did something bad

04:21:59.740 happen to you oh that explains it yeah you know what that would qualify is every human that's ever lived

04:22:04.140 just having something bad that happened you when you leave it that vague when you were young did

04:22:08.220 something unusual happen that wasn't a perfect conservative family life oh i actually that's

04:22:12.940 not hello look at me i don't have okay yeah i got a product of a very imperfect life i got a question

04:22:18.460 you could still look at commonalities of bad things that happen to people which are similar that lead to

04:22:23.500 behavior right yes but when you leave it as open-ended it's like did anything bad happen to you when you

04:22:29.340 were young to to justify how someone reacted to a septum deviated yeah piercing is a little

04:22:36.220 that's majority of women clinically reckless actually just the reality is the vast majority

04:22:41.100 of women engaging in any sort of sex work have been uh assaulted somewhere along the line we already did

04:22:48.140 this earlier i know i'm just saying that wasn't that wasn't even my question really that was my point

04:22:52.780 here yeah but i wanted to finish the exchange if you don't mind so i was just going to ask uh to

04:22:59.900 jeff do you think when you think of a nose ring on a woman especially the one that goes through both

04:23:06.140 nostrils and hangs down do you attribute that with class and do you attribute that with uh status i don't

04:23:12.620 like it or do you attribute that with low class and trashy i think it's trashy yeah i mean like i think

04:23:18.460 she's a beautiful girl but i would never because of the way she presents there was a love i like her

04:23:23.660 no i like her a lot but and i would sort of assume that she probably not into guys that dress like

04:23:27.740 this and and i don't know that but it's my presumption like when i see a girl like covered

04:23:31.900 in tattoos i'm always like she's not gonna like me but i mean i am attracted to her miss but you're

04:23:36.780 right i do think of it as a thing like if i if i brought a girl that was wearing all these piercings

04:23:41.340 and had all this other stuff to like um you know a thanksgiving or a christmas i feel like i'd have to

04:23:47.180 like explain it and i would have some sort of opinion about but i actually i have a like

04:23:52.060 experience what's interesting about that jeff sorry i just i just want to finish the exchange

04:23:56.940 real quick i would classify that um if you're looking at men though who have a lot of tattoos

04:24:03.180 i don't attribute that to them being trashy i do i do and so does a lot of other countries a lot of

04:24:09.180 other countries see tattoos as like kind of poor or trash yeah but we're talking about this okay yeah

04:24:13.340 from here i guess i just don't think of men much in the same way that i would uh well yeah because

04:24:18.940 you like every time i'm looking at a woman i think like oh like i have a motive sexually or or like

04:24:23.740 even relationshiply or or emotionally that i just don't think of men like that but i guess yeah i think

04:24:29.260 i do put them as kind of trashy but i also just like um so i would understand maybe if you had the

04:24:36.140 you know tribal tattoo that goes up the neck that people can see your face tattoos or things like that but

04:24:41.420 generally speaking there's a lot of men especially men who are in the service who get tattoos and they

04:24:47.340 get a lot of tattoos and i don't tend to attribute that with being low class or trashy the same way

04:24:52.700 that i do with women why that's actually true because i don't like masculine qualities on women

04:24:57.980 and tattoos are pretty masculine maybe not hers particularly but if i did see the same type of

04:25:03.340 like samoan arm like like the rock has like even on a hot fit chick if the tattoo was done equally as

04:25:10.060 well i would go like in my mind my my instinct would be sexually or like looking at her going

04:25:15.980 but it wouldn't do that to the rock so i guess you're right but i again i just haven't spent much

04:25:21.180 time thinking about how i feel about men with tattoos that makes it sound like it's not it's not about

04:25:26.540 anything real it's just about your attraction to them if you think like women act like women

04:25:31.260 and my idea i mean everyone has different opinions

04:25:33.340 i just like i basically like to touch on what you were saying like how you were saying you would

04:25:42.460 you feel like if you brought a woman around like say that has piercings tattoos like whatever you

04:25:46.620 feel like you would have to explain it but personally like i've been in situations where i've dated a man

04:25:51.100 that was let's say conservative like he's very like his parents go to church they're very religious

04:25:55.980 like they're very against tattoos piercings everything but they have loved me because i am a good person

04:26:00.940 that's how i feel about this whole table i have opinions about these things yeah well i can still

04:26:05.420 treat you as an adult exactly yeah and that's fine your opinion he was asking how i felt about it like

04:26:10.300 if it was like a potential partner or maybe looking at someone probably not all right gotta move on

04:26:14.700 guys we let me read one chat really quick then we have to pull up a couple things then we're going

04:26:18.220 to try to wrap um fairly soon seberg i think men women find discipline and integrity as attractive

04:26:24.940 traits men with these traits are likely able to sleep with more women women that sleep around due to

04:26:29.900 ease shows a lack of these traits yeah body count matters honestly like it does no hymen no diamonds

04:26:37.260 like virgins only to be honest virgins only no sorry okay i'm being hyperbolic okay strong preference

04:26:44.700 like if she's like the lower the body count the better yes with a virgin being like

04:26:50.460 the most optimal dating choice when it comes to body count you said you were married right

04:26:55.340 what no wait wait are you single huh no that's not like an attack like are you saying you can't

04:26:59.580 talk about it oh yeah you can't sorry because of okay i don't want to get into details no you don't

04:27:04.780 but let me just say for security for security reasons i just i had there's a situation i can't talk

04:27:11.580 about it okay uh i can tell you i can tell you after the show but i just i was just trying to have

04:27:17.420 a conversation that's it what's that tattoos and piercings you like that i prefer we're the only

04:27:22.620 guys it's not a deal yeah yeah so tattoos and piercing it depends on the piercings and the

04:27:27.500 tattoos obviously it's not it's not a deal breaker but would my preference be no tattoos yes okay when

04:27:34.620 my preference it's it'd be a spectrum like the if she has a little heart on her ankle like i don't

04:27:39.420 right right right yeah it's lots of different types of a ton of yeah well this was kind of the

04:27:43.260 point i was trying to tie in is i think again that the viewpoint is different between men and women on

04:27:47.980 this so i was saying i don't think that women necessarily attribute men having tattoos as being

04:27:54.140 a thing uh where they classify them the same way that we do them that's the point yeah true true i

04:28:02.780 don't think any guy has ever thought man i really wish this girl just had more tattoos yeah you think so

04:28:13.580 i mean there's some there's fetishism and shit but like well yeah i don't again they're gonna be

04:28:18.380 pedantic and be like who said all okay right right for the most part absent outliers probably most men

04:28:25.100 don't think if only she had more tattoos you're right you're free nothing is all you're free to get them

04:28:32.620 just uh and i think well that's because men and women are just attracted to different things

04:28:38.300 and uh also yeah i don't like this is gonna sound terrible but like when i look at a chick

04:28:42.460 i don't go man i like her she's badass like i don't i don't really value badassness no woman

04:28:49.260 i want her to be little and cute and fun and sexy and i agree i liked my green hair better too

04:28:54.140 i don't like the uh like i don't think to myself what up i bet she could knock a guy out and look how

04:28:59.740 she probably rides a motorcycle i just don't like those things personally in a woman so you don't want

04:29:04.620 a girl to go on a motorcycle with you not really that's pretty crazy it's just me that's cool then when

04:29:09.100 they're like the instagram videos and they're like writing and their backs all arched and they're

04:29:12.220 wearing like a cute outfit you love those well they're probably a hot chick so that part i like

04:29:16.220 but the rest of it doesn't i'm not going what a badass like i don't like that does nothing when i see

04:29:20.780 like angelina jolie is like tomb raider i'm not going holy crap she can shoot guns and jump over cliffs

04:29:27.660 i just like i like a woman let's pull up the tweets we have some tweets from sav here uh wait make

04:29:34.060 it bigger bigger bigger bigger bigger bigger oh that's me that's you all right can you make it

04:29:39.260 bigger you guys did yeah but bigger bigger which ones uh men continue to show every day why they

04:29:49.500 don't deserve to live whoa what what's that what's what's that about wait i didn't even read the tweet

04:29:55.340 i honestly oh i mean the other stuff doesn't really matter hyperbole is it hyperbole i honestly was joking

04:30:00.540 to be honest it was clickbait didn't work clearly but i didn't read the tweet honestly okay what's the

04:30:07.020 other one you but whatever oh can we not talk wait scroll down he's a piece of shit just like every

04:30:18.380 other man in the world i don't know i don't care about the guy but every other man in the world is

04:30:23.500 a piece of shit what i was very hurt yeah can we not talk about him oh i i don't want to talk about

04:30:29.020 him i'm more so just focusing zeroing in on the like every other man in the world yeah but that was

04:30:35.420 also 2021 that was what three years ago yeah what what why though why did you say that because i was

04:30:42.780 very hurt with that relationship and he honestly was a really horrible human being but why why do you

04:30:48.300 gotta involve i shouldn't all the other dudes i shouldn't have and that's what i'm trying to get

04:30:52.540 at is that it was immature and that was like three years ago and i've grown and i've realized that

04:30:56.140 not every person is like that when you're in the moment and uh like something happens and you kind

04:31:01.260 of notice a or you don't notice a pattern with yourself where you like someone for the wrong

04:31:06.940 reasons and your priorities aren't right so you keep choosing people that are going to do bad things to

04:31:11.420 you you don't really realize you're doing that in the moment you're kind of just accepting the love

04:31:15.180 that you think you deserve so then you like when you're in when you're fresh in it and something bad

04:31:19.820 happens to you you're kind of like i can't believe they're like this i can't believe they would hurt me it's not

04:31:24.060 it's not every single man it's not you know but they if you put yourself in a position where you're

04:31:28.300 in that pattern and you don't realize that you can say something that doesn't mean it's right yeah

04:31:32.140 but that's an explanation of why it might have happened i don't think all men are trash i've met very

04:31:37.260 amazing men what is the rest of the table i agree i mean are all men trash no

04:31:43.980 what is this i get one he's asking you what what a handshake he's asking what what are you doing

04:31:54.220 i'm pointing at you are do you think all men

04:31:57.900 i got excited i mean she kind of just agreed with everyone by saying not all men are horrible

04:32:03.500 yeah that was my whole point oh okay all right that's progress for this podcast there you go

04:32:08.860 there you go we're doing you can't always get that i've seen your episode i've seen other episodes

04:32:16.300 you don't you can't get all of them to say that that's a good point jeff uh we're making progress

04:32:21.340 here we are making progress we have some tick tocks from valve here let's get those oh great oh boy

04:32:27.260 here comes the toxicity she's trad

04:32:30.380 yes uh started from the beginning i love this video she's bouncing she's so excited i love this

04:32:38.060 video attention hey this is in response to this girl by the name of lil chili or something that

04:32:43.500 stitched one of my videos i couldn't respond to her because i don't know if she did that on purpose or

04:32:47.660 that was tick tock's fault but here's my response lady i hate sex work you know actually used to engage

04:32:52.540 in sex work a little background story i used to be a severe alcoholic i dropped at a college and lost my

04:32:57.580 full ride i was hospitalized twice and i couldn't keep a job and so out of pure desperation i turned

04:33:02.460 to sex work i don't like to go into detail about this time in my life because it truly was very

04:33:06.700 traumatizing but i will say this taking blazingly hot showers and crying trying to get the old crust

04:33:11.980 off of you is something appetizing that certainly is not worth the money but i found myself tricking

04:33:16.300 myself into believing that what i was doing was actually incredibly empowering and that i was

04:33:19.980 using the man for his money taking it the fact of the matter is that they were actually using me

04:33:23.900 they were using my innocence they're using my childhood trauma they're using my vulnerability

04:33:27.420 to make themselves orgasm money was nothing to them and they knew it was everything to me and they

04:33:33.100 themselves ended up capitalizing off of that that sounds like yeah zero accountability to me

04:33:43.580 yeah but you're saying 100 that was what about the mendo yeah and also the men did this to me it was

04:33:51.260 men's fault they were capitalizing on my bad decisions the fact that i was a drunk the fact that i couldn't

04:33:55.900 hold a job the fact that i was kind of a piece of uh and men took advantage of that it definitely

04:34:01.100 sounds like you're kind of moving the goal over to this is men's fault and it was in the cadence of

04:34:06.140 gotcha you were like here's why lady that i could but was like but all while not being a gotcha a hundred

04:34:13.660 percent yeah so can you can you give us the um the actual story here without the snark like tell us the

04:34:24.300 the truth do you blame men for the fact that you were a sex worker not necessarily i think i take

04:34:29.980 equal blame i think that i was at a place where i was at such a level of desperation everyone around

04:34:36.140 me was telling me like dude this is quick easy it's fast money and it will get you by and i was under

04:34:42.540 the illusion this is this is at an era of time where we were not talking against sex work this is a very

04:34:47.820 weird time like 20 2019 2018 no excuse me 2017 2018 where sex work was a very positive thing so this

04:34:57.260 is me thinking okay so i'm gonna make easy money quick money and it's gonna get me by and um no

04:35:05.740 i'm not blaming men at all but that's literally what you did in the video yeah i mean you did how much

04:35:10.860 of the responsibility is yours wouldn't you say that the responsibility is 100 yours yeah absolutely

04:35:18.060 i do i do think so but i also do think that um there's there is a uh

04:35:26.700 how how do i say it there's an environment and where like men create that that we like enter that

04:35:31.420 we can like actually like engage well do you mean the demand yeah yeah there is yeah okay you know

04:35:36.620 what i mean it's like blaming the drug but but look but look there's there's there's demand out there

04:35:43.180 but watch like if i was a chick right

04:35:49.100 that's all you like you don't you just don't

04:35:52.140 do it like that's it isn't it hypocritical i don't know i guess some women get previously

04:35:56.700 saying with the essay commentary and conversation that if you put yourself in position then you're

04:36:01.820 100 yes yeah but i completely she's just trolling because she wants to be on the winning side just

04:36:08.380 like andrew said yeah you actually can't hold this position very well so you can't say yeah it's 100

04:36:15.500 my fault but that would be not 100 your fault that would be like i think it's 80 my fault but there

04:36:23.500 was an environment which was fostered by x and x and that was who so is it a hundred percent you or isn't

04:36:29.340 it with no other qualifiers is it yes or no a hundred percent the fault of you that you engaged in

04:36:35.500 prostitution or not well i was a hundred percent at my own free will yeah that's not my question

04:36:42.300 i asked what's the question yeah is it a hundred percent yes it's me it's a hundred percent me

04:36:48.620 okay um you just like say whatever we'll get sorry hold on uh you were hospital you said you

04:36:53.900 were hospitalized twice for may i ask for what yeah alcoholism oh overdosing oh okay hospitalized for

04:37:02.460 alcoholism yeah i thought the way you said it in the video perhaps i've misread it it sounded like

04:37:08.380 you were committed or something no for like a psychiatric commitment hospital like i was

04:37:17.980 hospitalized overdose overdose on on adderall and and cocaine and then cocaine adderall cocaine and

04:37:25.900 then the other one was for i completely overdosed alcohol too was the last one was alcohol fruit

04:37:32.700 was there cocaine or adderall involved i don't think in the second time no is that a speedball

04:37:39.020 i think a speedball is when it has heroin engaged in these things before the sex free peter griffin

04:37:44.780 uh yeah um uh i'm trying to think i think it was so i i think it was before then and i think

04:37:53.020 once i got super nickelodeon donated two hundred dollars it's the men taking advantage of me it's

04:38:01.420 the alcohol it's the women telling me to get into the work okay it's all my fault i am god yeah that's

04:38:09.260 ridiculous it's so ridiculous i agree with that but you know to kind of move back into this i'm wondering

04:38:14.940 did you get into all of this drugs alcohol and all these different things before you did the sex work

04:38:19.900 no i i feel i think it was a bit of a combination effect i think i i couldn't keep a job because i

04:38:25.420 was having an issue with with drugs and alcohol and then once i was so desperate for money and i

04:38:31.340 resorted to doing sex work i think it's snow it snowballed and only worsened because there's a

04:38:36.860 okay so then the addiction to these things was pre-sex work so then what what happened here

04:38:43.820 tell me if i'm wrong here go ahead but what happened was you were unable to hold a job due to the fact

04:38:48.460 that you were an addict yeah and so in order to get easy money you turned to sex work yes that's

04:38:54.140 that's what actually happened so that is without a doubt uh 100 on you yeah i think i'll say this i

04:39:05.980 can't keep going okay i think this is what i'll say to that i think that there was like a problem and

04:39:11.740 i think that definitely the sex work was expedited everything of all my issues that i was having

04:39:18.460 it worsened my it was the way of coping with everything 1 000 yeah sure but the move into sex

04:39:24.540 work that was all due to you and your own addictive behaviors which then led you to the to this because

04:39:31.260 you couldn't hold the job right yes yeah so then that would be your fault still so you could say that

04:39:37.580 sex work exacerbated already existing problems yes and i would agree that that's likely true

04:39:43.660 yeah but you're definitely the person who's responsible ultimately for these actions yeah

04:39:49.580 yes okay uh we're gonna pull up the next video here hold on i just need to double check the other

04:39:56.060 task what was the other thing we need to pull up sorry guys one sec

04:40:01.260 you might do this last okay we might do that one

04:40:04.540 i love the comment um not only are they not superior they're also all pedophiles oh

04:40:22.140 tea yes uh that's kind of uh i take offense to that as yeah you would actually dating a 19 year old

04:40:30.540 what what where did you hear this you said it on the previous podcast i never you've put a lot of

04:40:37.740 words in my mouth i've never disclosed anything related to my dating it's going viral 19 wouldn't

04:40:44.700 count as pedophile either no and and by the way can you actually make a moral argument against that

04:40:54.700 because you brought it up multiple times why don't you actually make a moral argument for why that would

04:40:58.860 be wrong even if he did even assuming he did make a single moral argument for why how that would be

04:41:05.020 wrong or how that would make him a pedophile no it would not how i'm saying it can be wrong without

04:41:11.180 making him a pedophile okay but how is it immoral being a 34 year old man dating an 18 yeah now don't

04:41:19.500 restate the question just answer the question how is it immoral even if he did do that um i

04:41:28.300 immoral i think it's just too vague too nuanced no you don't know what moral means i do know what

04:41:34.700 moral means but good then how would it be immoral you clearly had a position against it you've brought

04:41:39.420 it up a multiple times yeah i think i'm defending it i think i think it's weird but i think that i think

04:41:45.740 you're you're going all this like black and white i i for me personally well wait morality is black or

04:41:52.460 white it's either moral or it's not moral it's not in between there's no no it's not you know exactly

04:41:57.660 morality is completely subjective would you object oh wait wait hang on back up if morality is

04:42:03.340 completely subjective then all you would be stating here is a subjective opinion as to whether or not

04:42:09.340 it was immoral what brian did anyway right a lot of the opinions stated tonight are subjective that's

04:42:14.860 like what an opinion is yeah yeah okay that's why i asked for a moral argument and she says morality is

04:42:21.660 subjective right yes so if morality is subjective then you couldn't actually say that even if brian

04:42:28.380 was dating a 19 year old that that would be objectively immoral correct there's no such

04:42:34.060 thing as anything being objective when it comes to morality clearly well i disagree but whether or not

04:42:38.940 that's true you would still say that there's nothing objectively immoral about that right yeah we can

04:42:43.660 go back to that we're just like harping on it but yeah i think it's weird okay great now let's move

04:42:48.220 into the subjective portion what even from your position of subjective morality would make it immoral

04:42:54.300 for him to date a 19 year old there's there's nothing that that i can imagine as a man that

04:43:02.780 you would look at as an 18 year old at your age with the experience that you've had that would make that

04:43:08.460 not be strange oh really so you don't think that um a man who was looking for fertility in a woman

04:43:16.700 would he go for a younger woman or an older woman see that's when i'm all like you guys are all

04:43:20.780 pedophiles guys are all so fucking gross oh i'm sorry i'm sorry you believe in evolution do you not

04:43:27.740 here we go this girl's insane okay wait wait no answer the question do you believe in evolution

04:43:33.340 wait what she's god so she created evolution go ahead with your point if you believed in evolution

04:43:39.020 then you would say that there would be an evolutionary mechanism inside of men where they would go for

04:43:44.460 women who are more fertile because the more fertile women would of course create more offspring so why

04:43:49.980 is it that if a 40 year old man went even for a 19 year old girl that that wouldn't make sense from

04:43:56.380 an evolutionary standpoint from your subjective morality what could possibly be wrong with that

04:44:01.820 that's disgusting two things two things yeah just don't don't give me the fucking

04:44:06.300 no no no i i will to give you the fucking andro hold on hold on wait wait wait hold on athena has

04:44:11.740 something to say go ahead athena you know what else is evolutionary rape every other every other

04:44:18.060 species does it can you just say essay or something my bad i'm sorry um what you said two things yeah

04:44:25.420 okay this is the first thing um what essay like before we had society how did we reproduce

04:44:33.020 what we we still utilize what's called sexual intercourse isn't that amazing what animals do

04:44:40.860 it like they're animals also have sexual intercourse isn't that crazy what we also used to kill each

04:44:48.380 other all the time there's a bunch of that wait wait we still do that yeah and it's still not moral

04:44:54.460 but i'm just saying bad right i'm just saying just because it's only you can't even describe what is

04:44:58.780 bad i just said subjectively can i get to my point go ahead get to your point in the past that were

04:45:07.180 that were pre-societal that now we still do just because we did it a thousand years ago does not make

04:45:14.380 it moral until perfect so if that's true and it's it's not moral then give me the moral argument

04:45:22.540 against it outside of you just don't prefer it i was going to do that next and then you go then do it

04:45:29.260 okay so if a 34 year old is dating an 18 year old they that 18 year old like doesn't have

04:45:37.420 any maturity doesn't know anything has no frame of reference around the world they're not in a good

04:45:42.700 place in their life they don't have a they probably aren't successful or as successful as they would be

04:45:46.780 later um the dating pool is objectively way less far in their career so you just in every way other

04:45:53.820 than sexual preference there's nothing about an 18 year old that is attractive other than sexual

04:45:59.580 preference so can you give me the argument for how that's immoral yet are you ever going to get

04:46:04.540 so when should we let them choose could i keep talking erroneous could i keep talking are you ever

04:46:08.940 going to get to the actual point how is it immoral give me that answer please don't restate all the

04:46:14.780 conditions which it exists under tell me the argument for how it's immoral can i yeah okay

04:46:20.780 please so for a man to be dating someone with only sexual preference in mind and for a woman to not

04:46:26.780 know that and be dating them and like their personality and want to be around them it's kind

04:46:31.420 of weird for a man to be okay with this person having this like emotional connection to them well i'm

04:46:36.860 not saying it's disgusting i'm not saying are you going to get to the part where it's immoral ever

04:46:41.180 okay but why are you assuming that that's the case that an older guy well hang on hang on brian

04:46:48.300 just real quick yeah give me an actual argument for the immorality or not you just keep restating

04:46:54.220 the conditions i don't care about the conditions why is it immoral i to me that's immoral if it's

04:46:59.260 not to you then we have a different moral compass which okay so to you it's immoral so it's immoral

04:47:03.340 because it's immoral because it's immoral can you give me the actual argument for why it's immoral or

04:47:07.660 are you just going to keep restating the conditions in your preferences give me the argument for why

04:47:11.020 it's immoral andrew when you have a moment when we're done with this i do have a question directly

04:47:16.140 to you but i'll thank you yeah okay okay you're going to answer my question sorry are you just

04:47:21.020 going to say that you don't have an argument for why it's immoral just take the l i explained my

04:47:25.420 argument we can disagree there was no argument you never made an argument all you did was give me

04:47:30.300 a sequence of conditions in which it could happen okay fine i can see all those conditions how is it

04:47:35.500 immoral give me the argument about any argument that's a fake argument because you could really

04:47:39.260 say that about anything that's been said oh you just gave me conditions give me an argument give

04:47:43.820 me an argument give me an argument and give you an argument to anyone just to be like i don't think

04:47:47.420 why it's more ask me a moral question i'll give you an argument by the way by the way argument this is

04:47:52.540 coming from a girl who at 18 willingly dated a 30 year old billionaire i don't object to you dating a 30

04:48:00.460 year old but it's incredibly convenient for you to say that oh it's wrong for an older guy to date

04:48:08.140 a younger woman bear in mind for a woman an older woman to date a younger man too that should be

04:48:12.620 mentioned i don't think either is wrong question i don't think this last question either is wrong go

04:48:17.420 ahead go ahead andrew without stating a preference or conditions that you just like don't without restating

04:48:24.380 the conditions can you actually give me an argument and the contrary to this is you can ask me a moral

04:48:29.180 question and i will give you an argument from the perception of my morality for why something is

04:48:34.540 wrong or right can you actually tell me why this is immoral outside of stating the conditions i don't

04:48:39.820 care about the conditions why is it immoral because if you're letting someone think you love them and

04:48:46.060 you don't love them what but that's a that's another condition you're adding on top of it like what if

04:48:52.620 a 30 year old guy say the same maturity level it'd be fine sometimes maturity level yeah it's

04:48:58.860 sometimes it's okay i'm not saying every single but but is it the case do you think that met that

04:49:03.500 men and boys your age are immature yeah sometimes that's a checkmate checkmate you've just lost the

04:49:11.100 argument you've just lost the argument because because if it's the case that you view men that

04:49:15.980 are your age as immature by default then you must pair up with and partner with men who are older than

04:49:22.300 you because you view them as more mature i think that i'm immature i agree but do you think you're

04:49:29.420 but do you think you're more mature you can't generalize that do you think there's such a

04:49:33.740 disparity with ages but it's a common trope i hear from women that men my age they're so immature blah

04:49:39.580 blah blah like there's it takes two to tango just an opportunity a higher opportunity women also tend to

04:49:46.940 date and find men for lots who are older whether it's one even one or two or three years more

04:49:53.100 attractive it's the opportunity for can i can i can i just ask a question but it's literally no no

04:49:58.060 it's literally hypocritical because it's okay for you to date a guy who's 30 when you're 18 because

04:50:03.420 he's a billionaire don't you think it's something attractive about a guy having his shit together

04:50:07.260 yeah like just a guy like oh my gosh this guy's got a whole home or it's clean or he actually is

04:50:12.140 like he replies right away without being drunk at some frat party but there are advantages to

04:50:17.500 dating an older man that you might find attractive maybe you don't so you'd have like a reason there's

04:50:22.300 a multiple variants of why you might like an older man and there's multiple variants why a man might

04:50:26.300 like a younger woman also if you're going to say that he's wrong for doing a thing you should be able

04:50:30.620 to tell him why it's wrong you've been wanting to say something into the mic please sorry i'm not on

04:50:36.620 i'm not necessarily going to stand with her side but i understand where she's saying it's immoral it's

04:50:41.180 immoral technically because if there is an intention with advantage the advantage would be

04:50:46.700 i'm sleeping with the younger girl i can convince her and pursue her to have sex with me possibly be

04:50:53.020 her first partner if not one of very few because she thinks that you're cooler and yeah and because

04:50:57.660 i can convince her that i am better than or i can teach her things quote unquote which a lot of men do

04:51:02.380 say mold and sculpt all these things that's what she's yes because we don't want to date a woman like

04:51:08.620 you who's combative and argumentative and hyper masculine you're super set in your ways yes of

04:51:14.220 course we do want to date pleasant women heaven forbid a man wants to date a pleasant women a

04:51:20.780 woman who hasn't had a shit ton of trauma and who has a shit ton of baggage from previous relationships

04:51:27.020 one question to you to both of you and andrew let me ask you this and to anybody who's watching

04:51:32.540 i'm genuinely so curious i'm going to present you a situation if there's a situation where there is a

04:51:39.980 gorgeous beautiful kind sweet innocent virgin she's 15 years old no no no let me ask she's 15

04:51:48.620 no no no no i'm not going to even entertain that bullshit fucking question why we because we are

04:51:54.140 talking about why why why is it why is that so crazy why is it what's wrong what's wrong what's

04:52:00.060 wrong with 15 you can do 18 you can do 17 we're talking about adult relationships oh so what's

04:52:05.180 adult now 18 is it yes that's what the law says but i'm just saying well don't you want fertile peak

04:52:11.660 fertility what what i like women who are no no no shut shut up i like you shut up shut up you will

04:52:18.060 let me just admit you would fuck a 15 year old what hold on that's crazy that's a little if you

04:52:23.260 could get away with it if you could get away with it no no hold on no no no no hold on first off

04:52:28.860 i like blonde women that doesn't mean i would date a blonde that's 12 what the fuck i said 15.

04:52:36.460 so just because of what no no no for okay first off yeah so here wait wait wait let me just respond

04:52:43.260 to the argument directly okay so the argument is could there be some men who have that preference

04:52:49.260 or is your argument that we have that i wasn't even able to answer the first one but i think she

04:52:54.060 but if there was but if you were able to be presented with this opportunity with a zero legal

04:52:59.500 consequence and nobody would ever know i would say i wouldn't do it because i'm not in a million

04:53:04.220 morality that would objectively be so what is so objective morality is 18 what is what happens

04:53:10.940 the day that they turn such a bad faith if you're 17 it's disgusting if you're well hang on but this

04:53:16.140 question would be turned right back against you you're saying the age of consent is arbitrary

04:53:20.620 i don't know is it well i'm asking you you're making the point that like men that do really

04:53:25.660 terrible things make when you say the things like well what's so magic about my brain that it changes

04:53:30.380 when it turns 18 the law has determined that 18 is the thing because the law is always correct

04:53:35.580 what my point is in other countries what else do you have what else do you have other countries

04:53:41.740 you don't have anything and i said if law did not exist if law did not exist so would you

04:53:46.220 a 15 year old if the law didn't exist if we're talking about the law or absent the law i still

04:53:51.260 that's i still believe in the standard for objective morality yeah i wouldn't do it yeah

04:53:55.260 no i'm just they're thinking about like okay a 19 year old dating a 34 year old we're talking about

04:54:03.740 adult relationships adult women some people like a younger girl um because they obviously haven't

04:54:12.860 been you know ran through or like they're more physically attractive they're more physically

04:54:17.660 attractive more emotionally available more romantic more energy optimistic about the future

04:54:22.140 naivete is also kind of sweet less bad yeah easy do you guys mind real quick if i get into this

04:54:28.060 with her real quick because it'll only take a couple of minutes wait let me before you do there's

04:54:32.060 like one other video that i want to switch to really quick just to get it out of the way and then we'll

04:54:37.260 we'll hammer in on this um here let's just play that really quick it's that of sameness it's fairness

04:54:43.500 is the audio it is so immensely frustrating as a woman to still find it difficult to answer such a

04:54:49.340 simple question how are men and women different where is the inequality conservatives love to say

04:54:56.220 this they love to ask this it's a very good question because legally we are extraordinarily similar

04:55:02.540 women lead in education it's an incentive to hire a lot of women for growing companies we can buy

04:55:08.380 land we can divorce and we can wear whatever we want without getting fined so where are we just so

04:55:13.980 different men don't fear walking alone at night yes men do not fear getting drugged at a party

04:55:22.620 men don't fear being taken advantage of by a woman yes men don't fear their bosses and co-workers

04:55:28.940 crossing an inappropriate line yes men don't fear yes that's absolute that's absolute that's

04:55:36.860 absolute that's absolute first off the reality is when it comes to violent crime men are much more

04:55:42.140 likely to be victims of violent crime assault by who robbery by each other by men yeah but it's

04:55:48.140 that's society you would have been assaulted multiple times if you were a male for saying

04:55:53.580 the things that you've said so yeah by other men ding dong that's not an argument that is that's not

04:56:00.380 a society yeah by men that's not an argument yes it is no it's not what's the well then what is the

04:56:07.580 argument she's saying she's saying no no let her stay okay what's the argument the reality is that

04:56:15.420 it's a completely different reality when you're a woman versus when you're a man and that yeah that's

04:56:20.860 great what's the argument the argument is that when you're walking home at night men are not turning

04:56:25.580 over their shoulder every yes we are from other men no you're not no you're not i don't walk around

04:56:31.980 chicago late at night literally yeah no you're not not like women there is there's a different

04:56:37.820 somebody as somebody who has been physically assaulted yes yes i have literally hung out with

04:56:42.780 so many men that i'm like we're just walking down the street and they're constantly like what the

04:56:46.460 yeah keep sucking men dick they're not going to ever respect you here's the reality like i don't

04:56:51.340 want to fuck andrew i've been mugged multiple times yeah yeah you've been i'm a man i've been

04:56:57.340 jumped in detroit i've been jumped it was very i'm very situationally aware if i'm in if i'm out in

04:57:02.380 public you will never experience the fear that women are scary what how do you um how do you justify

04:57:07.180 and reconcile these two thoughts the first thought is the first thought is the one that you said which is

04:57:12.460 uh 100 responsibilities on the woman for all these things to be preventable and the second thought is

04:57:17.100 wait a second we're far more likely to be a b and c when you just got done telling these other girls

04:57:22.060 that it was 100 preventable which is true um so yes it's 100 preventable and we have to be like

04:57:30.140 cognizant of the situation at hand which is that men are dangerous and that they strike women at crazy

04:57:37.340 rates and that women we are constantly scared of walking through parking lot men you do not have that

04:57:41.420 well let me just let me just i have to i have to address the whole god like you guys i have to i

04:57:45.820 have to address this whole thing about that that men engage in dv at higher rates first off first

04:57:51.580 off let me address that actually they found that inter it's intra partner violence uh it's it's when

04:57:57.980 it's non-reciprocal domestic violence the rates are actually fairly equalized now i have a question for

04:58:04.060 you how can it possibly be the case if men are these these pervasive violent yeah thugs and

04:58:11.260 bad guys when when we remove the heterosexual component of these conversations uh lesbian

04:58:20.060 couples are much more likely to have uh domestic violence incidents than gay men so so if we totally

04:58:27.820 remove hold on hold on hold on okay who are you hold on when we remove men from the equation and we

04:58:35.260 look at lesbian relationships the rate of violence in lesbian relationships is higher than in

04:58:40.940 heterosexual relationships and among gay men the rate of domestic violence is the lowest among all

04:58:47.420 other kind of relationship dynamics so how could it possibly be when there's two men in the picture

04:58:52.620 that the rate of domestic violence actually nose dives there's nothing wrong with a man hitting a woman or

04:58:58.060 a man hitting uh answer the question a man oh my answer the question in a relationship no there's

04:59:06.780 nothing wrong with a man hitting a woman no not if there's by circumstance um andrew i know you wanted

04:59:13.420 to go in i mean i i just don't if you don't mind i just have kind of a set of inquiries here yeah um i'll be

04:59:20.460 very brief as brief as i can possibly be i'd appreciate it if um the gal would also be brief back so we can

04:59:26.460 just get to the actual heart of the argument so you just got done saying that it's okay for a man

04:59:32.060 to smack a woman did i get that wrong that is what she said okay so then why would you say that women

04:59:38.060 are victimized if it's okay for men to smack them by strangers what by strangers yeah that's what i'm

04:59:44.940 referring to when women are being afraid of walking in the street it's not by their domestic partner

04:59:49.180 it's by strangers in the street that's where now if men are more likely to be assaulted than women are

04:59:54.540 out in the street which that's what the data points set up right then why is it that women

04:59:59.740 are more afraid to walk down the street than men are um because the same size men will men will

05:00:07.100 never experience the fear that women do walking down the street i just cannot not answering my

05:00:11.100 question i cannot believe this is like something that's like like a shocking not even answering my

05:00:14.700 question you're just like you really are gonna look at me and tell me that the fear that i'm not

05:00:18.380 afraid of women i'm afraid of other men in society and our society is full of full of dangerous

05:00:22.860 people what what they're trying you think because i'm not afraid of you that i don't live in your

05:00:26.700 reality i'm afraid of other people okay well women are constantly i get afraid just like you get

05:00:31.180 afraid no not the same way you can cause a lot you can cause a lot more damage to me because at the

05:00:39.420 end of the what you're saying is that these men are not afraid they're obviously afraid they both have

05:00:44.060 admitted that they've had history with no they're mugged or jumped yes they're afraid no they're

05:00:48.460 they're how are you gonna invalidate you can't invalidate well if i was walking down an alley

05:00:52.060 i might be i'm not afraid now i hope you're not afraid we're not because i know you're not

05:00:57.100 what are you talking about she's got you i'm not a ufc fighter i mean you should have a conversation

05:01:01.100 with let me ask you a different wait wait let me just say one thing let me let me let me just say

05:01:04.220 one thing you should have a conversation with nick about all the the things that i do he's my producer

05:01:10.860 about all the things i do when it comes to the security of even operating the studio and just me of us

05:01:18.300 could have a gun right now and you like okay well actually that brings in the the best question

05:01:23.580 of all yeah why is it when uh concealed carry permits are available to both sexes that men overwhelmingly

05:01:31.740 get them in comparison to women even though women are supposedly so victimized by men wouldn't you

05:01:37.020 think that you would see the reverse that if women could have access to the equalizer of force

05:01:41.500 because they're so often assaulted that they would go out of their way to get those why do you think

05:01:45.580 they don't assume because women are not comfortable around guns because they're very uh scary loud and

05:01:52.460 difficult to use because they don't know how to use a similar statistic is the suicide statistic sorry

05:02:03.580 engage you're saying you're saying that they're incompetent yes i know what you were about to say

05:02:07.740 you're saying that women are so incompetent yes that they have an equal an equalization to force and

05:02:13.580 they don't use it because they're incompetent yes i mean this is insane so so then so then

05:02:20.380 so then you're gonna look at me and tell me that women don't i use a gun as much as well i'm i'm

05:02:25.900 asking you i'm asking you this kind of logical question the logical question is to ask you well then

05:02:31.660 men if they're overwhelmingly get them getting them because they are competent why what is their

05:02:36.300 motivation in getting a gun or i think around with a concealed carry permit men have a really freakish

05:02:41.820 obsession with gun and holding power in their pocket oh so it's not because they can defend

05:02:46.860 themselves it's because of course they just want to be powerful but a lot of men and when the same

05:02:51.740 option is available to women to have the same amount of power they don't because they're

05:02:55.180 incompetent that's your position men love throwing that out and you going i have a gun

05:03:01.020 do you want to go back to i mean there's so many things that can be said about the whole uh

05:03:05.580 i mean the violence thing but i mean it we're if the perpetrator is a male it doesn't i just want

05:03:13.740 to just this just to tie it off real quick brian only take a second if you were in a threatening

05:03:20.220 situation would you call a number which would send men with guns to protect you

05:03:27.420 she's a cop puncher in the face her oh yeah she punches cops in the face i would rather not i'd

05:03:32.060 try not to get in that situation yeah but if you were in that situation would you dial the number

05:03:36.700 where men with guns would come to protect you they usually exacerbate the situation so what would

05:03:41.980 you but there's there's no other answers no you wouldn't there's there's it's very rarely the the

05:03:48.140 other option is really there's no other option what other option right so you would right so you

05:03:52.380 would do that other option all the number my boyfriend yeah so you would call the number for

05:03:56.060 men with guns to come and protect you because you're so incompetent you couldn't protect yourself

05:04:01.340 essentially with the guns what you're saying yeah but i don't know how competent the people

05:04:04.700 are going to be arriving are themselves yeah but you would still dial the numbers that they would

05:04:08.700 come protect you from other men who would be trying to assault you right so men while they

05:04:13.980 may be the people who perpetrate more assault hang on hang on hang on i'm almost done yeah go

05:04:19.980 ahead who may be the perpetrators of assault on women like you're talking about in alleys and

05:04:24.860 things like this are also the defenders of women in alleys and things like this as well aren't they

05:04:29.500 that's a good point i lost i lost the the train of thought i'm like some brain that does not

05:04:36.700 surprise me a bit i know i'm tired it's been like six hours i think that um i'm not disagreeing or

05:04:42.940 agreeing with anyone right now are you going to speak into the mic i'm sorry uh i'm not disagreeing

05:04:46.860 or agreeing with anyone right now but i think in general it's uh important to keep in mind that

05:04:51.420 in this kind of podcast it's sometimes easy to have an echo chamber where if one person is disagreeing

05:04:57.420 with the rest of the people um we all knew what we were getting into you know what i mean wait

05:05:02.780 why are you well that's the whole dynamic of the podcast yeah i'm just saying it's it's worth

05:05:08.860 acknowledging that sometimes that can happen i'm not saying it is i'm just saying it can happen in a

05:05:14.300 situation like this i'm not really sure what you're talking about but i mean this whole

05:05:21.820 are you saying that men are killed by other men therefore that's not a problem is that your

05:05:30.140 argument basically no men are the problem a thousand percent right but if we say that men are victimized

05:05:36.300 in these ways and then you just say yeah by who by other men that's basically you're dismissing male

05:05:42.940 victims of violence it's just i don't know bro that's a fucking weird take no i'm just maintaining that

05:05:49.740 women's fear is different than men yeah but would you would a man be less dead if they were killed

05:05:54.380 by a woman i'm not speaking about that i'm speaking about women's fear of men you're not you're not

05:05:59.100 fearing going in the parking lot when you go park your car yes no yes i do we're not afraid of you

05:06:05.180 you're not that show different is that show no you're not yes you can't you're not appearing around

05:06:10.620 the corner yes we do yes we do no you're not yes we do no you're not what am i you're a crazy person

05:06:19.180 you don't know me that's fine you don't know me you don't know jeff let's not look at the victims

05:06:24.620 because the victims is everyone let's look at the big victimizers i think you're i think you're seeing

05:06:27.980 it as like male female you're thinking that like because you're a woman you're the only one that has

05:06:32.140 fears i i don't go i bet there's a gang of women that might get me if i turn the course no i'm

05:06:38.140 saying i'm afraid of other bad people other men all are yes yes that's the whole point yes i know

05:06:44.140 yes right so you agree yeah we are looking over our shoulder at not like men not not we should

05:06:51.740 well we should talk about how 80 of criminals come from single mother households so maybe it's really

05:06:56.220 all women's men leave what because men leave the household like what's your family dynamic because

05:07:03.180 you're so interested in everybody else's yeah i'm a hundred percent i'm again like i'm open book

05:07:07.820 okay um i am born in ukraine and i have a here let's let's go back to andrew i know you had a

05:07:15.340 train of uh string of questions related just not well moving off from the violence thing to the her

05:07:20.700 claim that that all men are p words yeah yeah yeah so what's your proof um this entire

05:07:30.780 fucking conversation you guys oh great so you have what you're the only one you have 15 year

05:07:35.740 olds now and none of you would answer it we did all right we all said no what's your hang on

05:07:40.380 yeah you're lying it's logan guys would you what's your proof no okay you're can you tell me hang on

05:07:47.180 just real quick just let me finish the exchange please what's your evidence for this uh i'm saying

05:07:53.980 that if i presented you a scenario that if you had the full mobility with no one knowing it's a

05:08:00.460 question sure yeah but i know that's yeah so the question's not an argument she knows for a fact

05:08:06.460 the vast majority of men the vast majority because it's different men and women are different so sorry

05:08:10.620 to tell you girl right and it'd be like if i just said you like you don't know what it's like to be a

05:08:14.060 man you don't right well hang on hang on hang on all of you guys just let me finish the exchange

05:08:18.300 with her only take a second what's the argument for the proofs that you can provide that all men

05:08:24.860 are p words because men are pedophiles you keep yeah you're just that's a restatement that's just

05:08:30.220 a restatement of the position andrew this entire conversation have you guys been focusing on fertility

05:08:36.460 and women being innocent and malleable without a history why is that just call yourself say that

05:08:43.740 you want to have a fresh meat what does that have to do with anything just say it you like young

05:08:49.820 girls all of you like little girls wait so yes you do no no no no listen to you you say that y'all

05:08:56.220 like young young girls and little girls so let me ask the question back to you why is it that in

05:09:00.940 the public school system so many women are having sex with underage boys

05:09:07.820 not like men are raping women and having and molesting and molesting girls it's an epidemic of

05:09:12.780 of i don't know if i can say that proportions why is that happening is that because all women are p

05:09:17.980 words repeat the question why is there such an epidemic an overwhelming epidemic of women inside

05:09:24.940 of the school system having sex with underage boys sometimes as young as 13 12 years old

05:09:30.140 in order to get their rocks off why is it when they're in a position of power and authority over

05:09:34.540 young men they essay them constantly what what is that because all of them are p that's a really great

05:09:40.940 question because i'm always also wondering that with men and and young girls it's power of authority

05:09:45.740 exactly is what you're saying so my my question is again okay is it because all women are p words or

05:09:52.780 isn't it it's because if if you're in a power of authority if you have a place of authority you're

05:09:59.740 going to do it that's what you're saying women do it no that's not what i'm saying i'm asking you to

05:10:04.620 answer my question don't reframe my argument just answer to the argument what's your question he's

05:10:11.900 asking her a question i'm pretty sure i'm like i'm like what is the answer to the argument is the

05:10:18.300 reason that so much essay happens in schools from female teachers to young boys because all women are

05:10:23.340 p words no but men are no okay i'm going to answer it so what's your evidence then i just gave you a

05:10:29.580 huge swath of evidence because it is it is in men dna to want to conquer and dominate and what is easy

05:10:38.700 to conquer and dominate young girls okay so what's erroneous what is your evidence for any of this

05:10:48.540 just literally every crime committed with a man raping molesting a girl literally the women that

05:10:56.700 are sitting there's that radical feminism we she was talking yeah where where's the actual evidence

05:11:01.820 for what you're saying is true of what men of men molesting she thinks all men are no that all men

05:11:07.740 are p words because some men do horrible things what's the she literally what's totally what is it

05:11:12.860 okay she make a quick point literally was the one to tell us that there are more women who are now

05:11:18.940 teaching because of certain gender roles i believe that was actually you so that is why there's so

05:11:23.340 to please make your point so that is why there's a higher epidemic with women doing these things to

05:11:28.060 young boys that is why but you're not even able to repeat that statement so you are literally making

05:11:33.420 no fucking sense if you use your own fucking knowledge and your own reasoning then you would make sense

05:11:37.980 and this would no longer be a fucking argument i don't know what what you i don't even i still don't

05:11:42.140 understand what the argument let me ask let me ask hold on let me ask a couple clarifying

05:11:46.700 questions yeah so is it genuinely your position that you think that all men all men are pedophiles

05:11:54.220 i think the vast majority yes innately yes biologically yes i think that they were granted

05:11:58.620 the opportunity to get away with having sex with a 15 year old girl with no repercussions they

05:12:02.060 would do it yes what's the evidence for that you know you have no evidence for this this entire

05:12:07.500 conversation has been yeah so that's not an argument that's an argument from incredulity

05:12:12.300 it's fallacious what's the evidence that i can look at right now that proves your point

05:12:18.940 what are you what are you even talking look at i'm talking about evidence do you have any or not

05:12:23.580 yeah so let's talk about jeffrey epstein's island perfect example

05:12:26.060 example yeah so that's something that is men that is a bunch of elite men you don't see women going

05:12:34.780 over the little boys it's a bunch of men yes you do it's no you don't can you ever sit down

05:12:40.940 it's a bunch of men going to fucking lolita's island or going on lolita express going to st james and

05:12:46.940 it's men recruited for epstein was it a woman who recruited for epstein yes they worked in tandem

05:12:52.540 her father yeah so why would a woman helping him do that she was actually knew about them you would

05:12:58.300 know that her father was a fed and he's the one who created the whole thing jeffrey got him

05:13:02.220 involved with it later okay okay so on the glane maxwell can you answer to why it was that glane

05:13:08.460 maxwell was recruiting for this p word island if she wasn't a party to it as well they're both working

05:13:15.980 in tandem right so this is not evident but who's he words who is who is doing the raping it's not

05:13:25.500 the women i would say that the women inside the public it's not the women it's not the women it's

05:13:31.180 not the women coming why is there so many teachers women are not answer the question why is there so

05:13:36.540 many men flying a st james island why isn't it women going to fuck those men but they're not all

05:13:42.380 those all those women who were recruited by another woman blah blah god you're not even answering the

05:13:47.580 question you're like harping on one very specific thing you brought up the specific thing yeah and

05:13:53.820 you keep talking about jislaine maxwell yeah but but that's who was the recruitment agent for the

05:14:00.220 p who was having sex with the children she participated it's not women it's not evidence that

05:14:05.580 all men aren't driving to st james it's ridiculous it's not happening so your position

05:14:10.620 is you think the majority of men are p words yes at all but biologically innately yes from what i

05:14:16.700 could tell you think me here me and jeff are also p words is that what you're that's basically what you

05:14:22.940 said there are outliers and i hope you are one of them but you just said if i if this and do you

05:14:29.500 do you have like a smoking gun on this because this is very simple i've already given the smoking gun

05:14:34.700 i see more essay coming out of the public school system between females who have a power differential

05:14:39.740 between young boys they molest them at massive massive monstrous rates it's incredible two you've

05:14:46.940 offered no counter evidence that the majority you hang on let me finish you have not offered a single

05:14:54.780 shred of evidence that the majority of men in society are p words can you offer that evidence without

05:15:00.380 restating the position and saying because of this conversation give me the evidence yeah i just

05:15:05.420 told you saint james island hollywood hello that's not evidence that yes it is how is that there is

05:15:11.660 nothing of a better evidence than saint james island because that thing happens it doesn't make it an

05:15:15.980 argument evidence that most how is that evidence because tell me how does that mean most men do bad thing

05:15:22.220 yeah yeah so you were trying to make the point which incredibly bad faith like ask trying to ask us a

05:15:30.940 question to try to because like super bad faith you've been bad faith this entire show you're i

05:15:40.380 honestly i think you're intentionally trolling now you like chilled out for a little bit but now you're

05:15:43.980 back to fucking troll i don't even think it's trolling i just actually think you're a misandrist and you

05:15:48.300 hate men frankly because holding the position that most or all men are pedophiles is an incredibly

05:15:55.980 sexist statement to make it's incredibly misandrist you're pathologizing first off you you're attempting

05:16:02.540 to pathologize men who have a preference for younger women keyword women fresh meat malleable

05:16:09.260 that comment all right get off the show get the get the off the show leave

05:16:17.900 get off the show thank god out you go so much out you go thank god oh my god unbelievable

05:16:26.380 ridiculous um i just bro also one of the comments said that uh because we like fertility

05:16:32.220 q disargument was small yeah i meant smaller than me i don't want a gal that's six foot four is what i

05:16:36.620 suggest in antenna bay i think it's kind of cute when a woman's not six foot four 220 and thank you

05:16:43.100 for doing that she was terrible here wow wait mia can you do you want to just sit over there in her

05:16:48.780 seat uh you might want to wipe it you may want to wipe it down with some yeah seriously antiseptic

05:16:54.620 wipe it can you sage that chair yeah oh my god no i really want to sage myself

05:17:01.980 very unusual jesus christ i was just like boiling and i was like girl instantly it's just the whole

05:17:11.100 room is just like wow i'm just gonna say like i think it's really interesting that she was putting

05:17:16.300 so many words into everybody else's mouths i don't think it was fair or reasonable at all the way that

05:17:20.380 she was behaving and putting everybody else down and trying to paint a picture that wasn't even

05:17:23.980 existent had you said anything about dating xyz or had any of us said anything at all then that was

05:17:30.300 a reason to attack us and to go forward on that but she did just completely attack just for no reason

05:17:34.620 it would also be great if she was a little consistent but just to be all over like you

05:17:39.100 can't even say that she doubled down on like what she thought it's just like all over the place

05:17:44.140 like at one point saying leave the 19 year old and she's only 19 and then the next point be like

05:17:48.060 she's 19 she's like what's going on she was when i wasn't in the room i couldn't hear everything

05:17:52.860 that was happening but like someone someone commented too they were like she's infantilizing

05:17:57.820 her and then in the same breath doing the opposite right what what had happened was like you walked out

05:18:02.620 she chased after you trying to be a nice guy whatever it may be and i said it she's 19. i didn't

05:18:08.140 say it to put you down by any means what are we talking about the situation that happened when she

05:18:12.780 when she cried and i only said it because i thought it was such a rhetorical thing to chase

05:18:18.140 after you try to treat you nicely and say that we're using that to our advantages and putting you

05:18:23.420 down because you're younger which we were not doing and even at that it was just like we're

05:18:27.660 repeatedly saying she's 19 which was obviously her issue she had an issue that your age was 19 which is

05:18:33.340 not fair and it's just the only one who ever brought everything it's you know what's crazy to me though is

05:18:39.500 is when men are basically not allowed to have any preferences standards and boundaries when it comes

05:18:46.860 to what they want in a partner if a girl wants an older guy that's a preference guy wants younger

05:18:52.620 creepy immature maybe even if you want a younger woman even if you want to date a younger adult woman

05:18:59.980 right there they want to call you a a p word a pedo which is crazy uh girl doesn't want a short guy

05:19:06.860 preference guy doesn't want to overweight girl shallow asshole girl wants a dominant guy preference

05:19:12.060 girl guy wants a submissive woman misogyny girl sets a boundary empowering guy sets a boundary controlling

05:19:17.340 yeah it's just like but but the it's the degree that she took it to was like pathologizing

05:19:26.060 she basically called us i don't know if she was talking about you but she pretty much sat there and

05:19:31.660 called she definitely called me yeah she did yeah a pedo yeah and then she's in line because

05:19:36.860 we were like um no we wouldn't do that and she's like you're lying you both but even though she also

05:19:41.740 said that she wouldn't do that yeah like then she said you can hit women she was all over the map

05:19:47.660 she was a psycho but what's weird was she started off with that energy and i checked her and then she

05:19:52.860 kind of got in check and then like i don't know if the meds were wearing off or whatever but

05:19:57.580 it started amping up again at the end there so like what the fuck i think what was interesting

05:20:03.500 was just like seeing how she immediately was like fuck andrew i love you andrew and then

05:20:08.140 immediately like for a long time it stayed there andrew's not in the room it's very easy for her

05:20:12.860 to do that and then from there it went to andrew you'd fuck xyz and that's just like what the

05:20:17.340 fuck like stay consistent or just don't speak at all like if i get the guy that's not in the room on

05:20:21.020 on my side i think you actually kind of agreed with her though on some things a little bit i

05:20:27.340 think that she was phrasing things in a way to purposely sound fucking insane um but i think

05:20:34.540 the root of some of her some of her very few but some of her opinions were rooted in something that

05:20:40.940 i believe in too but i do the things that she said the generalization she made all of that i think was

05:20:46.940 wrong and i mean i said what i said and i want you to listen to what i said and that's my opinion i

05:20:51.180 don't want you to hear her and hear me build on to something she said and think that's me yeah i

05:20:55.740 was like so just speaking back to the subject that she left on just like another thing like as a guy

05:21:01.500 like to date age-appropriate women like women generally my age just kind of my wheelhouse however

05:21:06.860 that's tough because they're not a lot of available women my age and if they are they've got children

05:21:12.940 and that makes the little things more complicated because it'd be unrealistic for me to think i

05:21:16.780 could get a 40 year old woman that doesn't have past relationships and have so like i you would

05:21:22.780 tend to date a little younger because the younger chicks don't have something started yet they don't

05:21:27.900 have a family they don't have a you know so it's like they're the young girls are available like you

05:21:32.620 want to start a family with someone and have it your own family yeah yeah yeah or like i've met girls

05:21:38.060 that i really this is not good to sound again but they're like they're they're gross like i would date

05:21:42.460 this woman and she's married yeah and i'm like well i can't but that's a great gal i want a woman

05:21:47.500 like that yeah but i just can't because she's got a guy free peter in the chat free i don't believe

05:21:55.500 anything she said dude i don't i bet she doesn't have a boyfriend i bet she'd be pretty annoyed if

05:22:00.860 someone slapped her in a relationship oh we got davon jackson donated two hundred dollars i take

05:22:07.660 back what i said el autistic sociopath pedo means attraction to prepubescent children the law allots

05:22:14.300 for years post puberty just to play it safe i.e nobody looks at the 19 years old plus sees a child

05:22:21.020 right yeah but also like the law was put there for a reason and different countries have different

05:22:26.940 laws of course it's fine ah bro that's crazy dude did she ever define the word no there's another

05:22:34.700 issue oh she didn't really want to answer any questions andrew is it kind of avoided questions

05:22:40.860 andrew what do you know what like is there a specific fallacy when it's like you're asking somebody a

05:22:47.180 question and then regardless of their answer you just assume they're either lying about their answer

05:22:54.220 to the question or you just pre-assume what their answer to the question is is what is that like a

05:23:02.140 does that have a name because she did that multiple times she's like she's like no you met like when we

05:23:07.340 said no we've been assaulted like we we are cautious when we're going out it's a it's just a basic straw

05:23:13.580 man fallacy so what she did was she would say here's what your argument actually is and then

05:23:19.100 argue against that so what what i was trying to do is get as much clarification as i could

05:23:24.380 nail down the actual argument and when i make arguments they're actual arguments what she made

05:23:30.220 was kind of um these fallacious claims and then she actually never made any counter arguments if you

05:23:37.340 listen closely she would just restate the position as the position itself being bad right that's all

05:23:45.020 she did so there was no there was no argument to even be fallacious for the most part because she

05:23:49.420 never made any right got it here let me do a couple chats and if we want we can continue on with uh

05:23:55.820 this dr clockwork you're talking about sex work five ish years ago like it was a long time ago that's

05:24:00.380 nothing you said you had two experiences as a s worker and are talking like you're a hard season pro

05:24:05.820 you know nothing uh sorry i think is this directed at the yeah yeah i'm sorry dude i had to kick her

05:24:11.260 off this was this was back in 2019 back in well also the fact that she was saying in 2019 that sex work

05:24:19.980 was more like accepted normal was so false it was completely opposite it was a different time ladies

05:24:26.540 in addition to that only fans actually started in 2016 so she was like it didn't exist all this

05:24:30.700 stuff like you didn't have to be a prostitute right not that not that's wrong but and also the fact

05:24:35.180 that she was saying that she was on all these drugs and saying that like she was on those and then

05:24:39.980 started sex work like you basically were a drug addict and needed money for the drugs so you

05:24:44.300 pretty easy to tell i was gonna say as well like she was pointing out like my fine family dynamics are

05:24:48.700 most commonly for sex workers and it was like well you willingly chose your dynamic right to involve

05:24:53.740 yourself into sex work i didn't if that was my case i did not so you know what's crazy this might

05:24:59.100 sound mean but she's a very attractive girl you know so it's like uh oh well so like i would say

05:25:05.740 that she's pretty you know like to the everyday person that she's a pretty person or pretty looking

05:25:10.460 girl but here's the thing is like she sounded like a crazy homeless guy but like but we listened to

05:25:16.300 it because she was a pretty attractive no no no no no first off i don't think she's i frankly and granted

05:25:23.420 perhaps her personality is affected it affects it a lot but like just her outward appearance there's

05:25:31.260 like i don't know there's some physiognomy going on there like just she has like this

05:25:41.660 i didn't like she's not the ugliest person that's what i meant no i'm not saying she's ugly but like

05:25:45.820 why is god making hot crazy people it's so unfair i'm like listen like i would listen to her at a store

05:25:50.780 and be like i don't know if she thinks she's pretty pissed off about something but if she was

05:25:53.820 just like wearing like a crazy hat and had like a beard i'd be like get this person out of our

05:25:59.260 business like behavior going again bro truthfully dude i don't think you don't think so even if

05:26:06.220 i said she was attractive no bro she was not she was she's not ugly but she's not enough to be

05:26:12.540 crazy i don't think i don't think she's an attractive girl okay i think she's socially

05:26:16.940 repulsive and stupid and have you heard of that scale where it's like

05:26:20.620 and there's like a line and you can't be under that line yeah she's under the line yeah all right

05:26:27.900 fair enough i'm saying there's a guy like peter that's listening to that

05:26:30.860 shit just because she's i'm gonna get some of these chats here all right antenna boy

05:26:35.820 and antenna boy here sides with the girl yeah the funniest part is that she is right if all you're

05:26:40.140 looking for is fertility cuteness argumentative small your guest said that one moldable malleable

05:26:45.740 etc just sounds like you want a 12 year old that's that's a totally is that a straw man it's totally

05:26:51.820 fallacious because you could like if you want a woman who's a virgin there are plenty of women

05:26:56.780 who are adults women adult who are 18 19 20 21 there's women into their mid late 20s even

05:27:04.380 early 30s that are virgins so just because you want a woman who's a virgin

05:27:09.340 does not mean like so you could desire all like you could desire all these traits in a one

05:27:15.500 in a woman that that's not evidence of you having these p word tendencies andrew do you have anything

05:27:22.620 on the super chat yeah well it's a non sequitur anyway so the the non sequitur which is here the

05:27:29.260 this this is an argument which means nothing is he states at the end that his conclusion is the

05:27:36.140 question right if you value these things that it must mean x no that's of course not true you still

05:27:42.140 value high fertility and has nothing to do with prepubescent kids has nothing to do with any of

05:27:47.100 that just has to do with the fact that of course men are going to value fertility in women none of these

05:27:53.260 things lead to the conclusion that he's saying but he still states it as though the conclusion must be true

05:27:58.940 based on made up premises it's ridiculous well put well put andrew i'm glad i had you here for

05:28:05.740 this episode because oh my god that's it's been a doozy yeah i'd have got away with tons of stuff

05:28:10.220 if andrew wasn't here okay we have infinite singularity one god's essence entails infinite

05:28:17.260 attributes humans finite beings cannot embody infinity two asserting i am god implies a finite

05:28:23.980 being is infinite three this self-contradictory claim violates the principle of non-contradiction

05:28:31.580 all right that's above my pay grade so so if you don't mind i'll respond to that real quick

05:28:36.780 uh he's absolutely right so when especially when he says it violates the law of non-contradiction

05:28:41.740 be a contradiction for her to say i am god while at the same time of course she's not god

05:28:46.620 this is demonstratable that she's not god because if she was god then she would have to

05:28:52.940 have created everything etc etc so it's already a violation of one of the logical laws which is

05:29:00.060 how you can you don't even need to say it's fallacious you can just reject the entire thing

05:29:03.980 on its face but also he makes these other points which is that you're trying to say that a finite

05:29:09.660 being can be an infinite being which she clearly is a finite being so can't be infinite therefore

05:29:15.660 can't be god it's just contradiction after contradiction there are religions that

05:29:19.660 think that you can be as a finite being infinite let's not which one let's not like buddhism

05:29:26.380 well no that's not really what buddhism says uh so buddhism is trying to move towards a

05:29:32.940 what we would call an orthodoxy something called theosis which is you could be more like whatever

05:29:38.620 this type of being is but no it's not really stating what you're saying it's stating well i mean

05:29:44.060 there's a certain level of connected it's cognate connectedness to the like world that you have

05:29:49.900 when you're like that which kind of implies infinity but not in the way i think that comment was saying

05:29:55.820 yeah so it would say you're a part of the infinite not the infinite itself that's what that's what we

05:30:01.180 would agree with is god is the infinite right you're not part of the infinite you would be the infinite

05:30:06.620 yes we have the axiom here jess she was let's be jeff she was the least she was the least on the

05:30:13.500 channel for sure she was not hot but i certainly agree with that she was the least even the pink

05:30:19.660 girl fucking i don't know i was just saying that i was like nobody made any commentaries at least

05:30:25.020 when the girls said we were being a lot kinder yeah this other bitch was fucking psycho and ugly

05:30:29.340 yeah but it was a personality that sucked yeah i see a lot of uglier girls than her i'm not trying

05:30:37.180 to simp but that's but like i was just i meant like gosh damn it why is this why is uh why is god

05:30:43.020 making crazy the crazy person should look crazy she should have came here with a

05:30:47.100 shit in her jeans and we'd have been like don't talk to this one she's insane that was a crazy person

05:30:51.580 we just argued with for hours i do actually think that's what i was trying to say i know she's an

05:30:56.940 actual crazy person that's what i'm saying but she's somewhat she's oh shit they let her operate

05:31:02.460 a car they like that she knows how to like put on clothes that's the only point i was trying to make

05:31:07.420 by saying she's not ugly is that like the fact that we have to deal i wish murderers look like

05:31:12.620 murderers and i wish crazy people look like crazy people i wish bad people look like you know it's

05:31:16.620 like i had to deal with this fucking psycho and i was giving her good faith for the first hour and

05:31:20.620 then after a while i was like the conversation i had with her prior was outside and you heard a

05:31:24.620 little bit of it yeah she's pleasant but she she was decently pleasant she was just adding a lot of

05:31:29.420 weird feeling on my side i just emotionally just felt like okay this is a little different she was

05:31:33.980 degrading you she was degrading the outside outside oh no no not oh yeah she was intentionally trying

05:31:38.940 to get information from me so i was just filtering yeah i heard you guys whole conversation but what

05:31:43.100 she was saying was like i've always wanted to be in los andres i've always wanted to be here i have

05:31:46.140 eight here eight days here i have more things but she would send that downstairs because i'm a failed

05:31:49.740 actress to get like the laugh like a little self-deprecating so i think she had a strategy

05:31:53.100 intentionally doing was just like she really wants the attention she obviously has a social account

05:31:58.620 god only knows how much in terms of following her anything that's like but it just seems so

05:32:02.540 like she said she was deprived of everything yeah she needed it yeah yeah that was a lot bro

05:32:11.180 it was like on one hand i wish i was i went like there was early on in the show i was about to kick her

05:32:17.820 i wish i kind of wish i did i kind of gave her a chance i'm glad you didn't i'm glad you didn't

05:32:25.900 kick her no but that kind of madness on display yes no i agree like she uh like the what's the hold

05:32:34.300 on it's uh you see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dined i mean

05:32:39.980 it was obviously infuriating and i know she was very insulting to some of the other girls here she was

05:32:44.940 it was very frustrating to have her on the show but like the best disinfectant is sunlight and like

05:32:50.780 for her to like she was trying to there was a period there in the middle andrew where i think it i don't

05:32:57.580 know if she's bipolar or something but she kind of like started shifting a bit and was like trying to

05:33:02.380 be more agreeable and then but immediately like just yeah went completely unhinged and uh

05:33:08.220 well she was trying to take every end of the position that she possibly could whatever she

05:33:15.180 thought would put her in the most favorable light with whoever was on the winning side of the position

05:33:19.660 that was the game when we were able to move her out of that where she had to be on the losing side

05:33:24.300 of the position she freaked out and that's where she started yelling when she loved the attention so

05:33:29.100 like even when everyone's dunking on her going can you imagine being her boyfriend peter like she was

05:33:33.420 maniacally laughing yeah like look at how people are talking about me like it was a strange reaction to

05:33:41.100 to that like it was felt very manic yeah you did at the end there um i said something and then uh

05:33:49.020 one of them was like oh i'm asking her a question which is cool and then she tried to say something

05:33:52.700 you were like let them do this so it seemed like you almost wanted it to be like this like her show for

05:33:59.020 a second no i it was when i was answering something and you're just like let her do it and i under i

05:34:04.220 know no no it was just because she was already showing her psycho psychosis no no honestly the

05:34:11.420 truth is i as soon as she as soon as she said um as soon as she basically made the statement that

05:34:20.140 me and jeff and that all men or most men must be p words i was prepared to kick her but i like i was

05:34:27.020 gonna kick her right then and there but i know andrew wanted to interact have a back and forth so

05:34:31.660 i was like it wasn't so much i didn't want to hear from you i was like i want to get this girl off the

05:34:36.540 fucking show i'll let andrew have his back and forth but like the booth okay um how often do you kick

05:34:43.260 people off was it did i i didn't really kick pink off no she kicked her she kind of wanted to leave

05:34:50.060 she wanted to leave anyways but uh and it doesn't happen too often i'm i'm i think i'm fairly patient with

05:34:56.300 people way too i thought you were so patient i'm really surprised i didn't even tell her to shut

05:35:02.220 up or anything wait what you didn't even tell her to shut up i got i raised my voice with her

05:35:07.340 well you have to be able to talk over her but all right we did it tonight though thank god for andrew

05:35:14.300 wilson guys you got to subscribe to his channel the crucible he's he helped out a lot with that just

05:35:19.500 dealing with the that total insanity guys um this would have real conversation yeah i mean i'd love

05:35:26.700 to i think we we have some more i have some more notes here from from uh i want to ask like a

05:35:31.260 light-hearted question here hold on let me let me try the lighten thing yeah i got andrew i think

05:35:37.580 you'll appreciate this one okay what let's say you're like talking to a dude right i don't know

05:35:53.740 why i said andrew would appreciate this maybe jeff will appreciate it too um let's say you're talking

05:35:58.300 to a guy he's flirting with you maybe approached you at trader joe's or a bar or something i don't know

05:36:05.340 he's like hey can i get your number you're like yeah yeah sure you want to take it down and he's

05:36:08.860 like yeah and then he like busts out a flip phone like this i'd be so hot would like hot like turn

05:36:17.340 on or like like is it a deal breaker like even if they were like not cute like i would give them a

05:36:22.780 chance at least like that's hot that's attractive like this and he's like why is it attractive i just

05:36:29.340 i love it's like it's like you're a real person like you don't have an addiction that everyone

05:36:34.220 else has but like what's what willpower what's the thing with girls like they don't like guys who

05:36:38.460 have androids i don't agree with that okay i don't know okay i think that's hot

05:36:45.820 so okay it's like sexy i would say i think i'd find it attractive solely because typically with

05:36:50.780 the flip phone you can text not so so much and not so effectively there's no typical tts so i think

05:36:57.260 it'd be more fun here let me actually have a conversation with somebody or being a they're like a real

05:37:00.940 life person yeah because then you can have phone calls and all that stuff you can actually organize

05:37:04.940 dates like that what about you i don't know i'll be a little sus i appreciate the honesty here let me

05:37:14.300 up the ante here what if he's got one of these uh a oh my god this is a uh motorola dynatac

05:37:24.140 nine thousand x either hilarious or a crazy person so ladies both are good i would be intrigued i

05:37:32.860 would want to know more that's too weird what is that does it move though can you take it outside

05:37:38.300 of your house i would want to know why yeah it's a cell phone the first cell phone i don't know i

05:37:43.420 think you gotta charge it in your car i would just want to know why i would think it was a bit

05:37:47.020 yeah that's the thing you'd be funny guy okay so i would yeah it was down for okay all right do you

05:37:53.580 think man and what's andrew's background is he like a scientist or something uh he won the nobel

05:38:00.220 prize i'm a mechanical engineer that's cool oh really yeah yeah okay uh so the um i was gonna say

05:38:07.660 like i find the traits i like in women are the things i hate most about myself actually no that's not

05:38:14.700 true i find the traits that i hate in other people not just women the things i hate about

05:38:19.420 myself most so like a lot of my guy friends dress terrible they're like out of shape i'm

05:38:24.060 like i like the lack of vanity in this person because i'm i have a pretty high amount of vanity

05:38:29.980 so it's like i think what they were just going isn't that great that he's got a flip phone i think

05:38:33.580 that's so good maybe because you hate that you're always on your stupid smartphone and you're

05:38:39.180 always checking your instagram when he can't check his instagram on this you go good i like a guy who

05:38:44.060 can't do is that a fair yeah i want to flip them completely i would do it if i could i'm addicted

05:38:50.540 though you can this is super cheap i like can't quit my oh i see what you're saying yeah i want to get

05:38:55.180 into uh some of uh mia's pre-show notes here maya me call me whatever you'd like i can't laugh

05:39:02.140 i like it's been me like 10 times i like that um mommy mommy is actually one of the names i got the most

05:39:08.940 okay there you go um before i get into your notes question for the for all the girls here uh

05:39:15.340 how tall are you and do you guys have a high preference when it comes to dating are we going

05:39:19.500 around in a circle yeah starting with you yeah um i'm five eight and i prefer i've dated people

05:39:27.500 shorter than me but just because of like how tall i am i prefer someone to like be either my height or

05:39:32.540 a little bit taller do you have like a bare minimum like six feet or anything like that what

05:39:37.580 like of how tall they should be yeah um i'd say like your height i mean i've dated shorter so i

05:39:45.260 would say like the minimum is like five five oh okay what about you i'm five one and i think be

05:39:52.940 honest i don't i am five one five one no not about um but the next part i don't have a minimum

05:40:00.060 i think because i'm so small that it's really i can't have a minimum cap i'd say the shortest

05:40:05.020 i've dated is five six and that's fine with me what about a little person that'd be shorter than

05:40:09.500 you that'd be fine anybody did a little person i'm trying to know some dwarves i'm trying to date

05:40:13.660 a dwarf like a female no i don't know any female i need that i'm trying to do maybe i do i know

05:40:19.100 i only know so many dwarves because i'm a stand-up comedian and there's like four of them that are all

05:40:23.180 nick navecki brad williams like they're all very funny but that's kind of how i found them they're

05:40:26.940 like kind of you know okay um so uh your last boyfriend how tall was he my last boyfriend

05:40:35.420 he was 5'10 and then right after that was or right before that was

05:40:40.460 five six that's pretty tall okay what about you so i'm five four and the shortest person i've dated

05:40:48.300 was like five six well you're currently in a relationship right yes um how tall is your

05:40:53.580 current boyfriend six foot do you have a height minimum requirement for dudes or no um well five

05:40:59.900 six okay yeah what about you um i'm five three and it just kind of depends on the sorry it just kind of

05:41:07.020 i'm five three it depends on the person i feel like um i never really run into situations where i'm like

05:41:11.900 this guy would be cool if he wasn't five four that's never happened to me so i don't really think

05:41:15.980 about it but i guess probably five four bare minimum yeah but i i've dated a lot of short

05:41:20.620 people stop the cow okay fair enough um that's right my most recent relationship was five ten but

05:41:26.300 that was also no that's not my toss but it's not my shortest okay hey guys um i really appreciate you

05:41:33.100 having me on this evening i got to go it's a little yeah yeah me here in michigan thank you so much for

05:41:37.820 having me it was nice meeting all of you yes um andrew before you leave just want to thank you so much

05:41:43.740 for coming on i'm i hope this episode wasn't too much of a headache for you nope it was great uh i

05:41:50.060 had a lot of fun and thank you for having me so much and you guys have a great night i'm a little

05:41:55.260 mad that andrew didn't say hi to me before the show started oh my god that's true i didn't that's

05:42:02.540 right that was very very rude very rude of you andrew um guys guys please check out the crucible on

05:42:09.420 youtube that's andrew's channel he is a blood sports debater he's and if you want check out

05:42:16.460 the previous podcast we've had him on he's absolutely killer he's uh been great on the

05:42:22.460 previous episodes so if you enjoyed what you heard from andrew feel free to check out his

05:42:26.460 channel check out the other episodes he's he's appeared in person by the way guys this is our

05:42:30.620 first time doing a column with him i'm sure a lot of you are already familiar with that um those

05:42:34.460 episodes were awesome super cool uh go subscribe to his channel and um uh we'll have you uh back

05:42:43.340 on soon okay uh excuse me we'll have you back on soon all right andrew yeah sure thanks for having

05:42:47.740 me take care guys have a great night thanks for joining man have a good night say hi to uh rachel

05:42:52.060 for me wait is that was that weird is that weird to say no i don't know that's his wife i uh it was

05:42:58.060 fine until you said it was that weird to say no that was weird i like fine i i feel like that could

05:43:03.580 be like i don't think that was i was saying and then like because i i'm like i like his i like his

05:43:09.340 wife so yeah his wife's like super based and cool so i hope that didn't come out um and we should

05:43:16.060 andrew i don't know if you're still watching love to have her on the show um so uh yeah rachel's uh

05:43:21.260 rachel wilson she's she's awesome um okay so mia did i say right finally

05:43:26.780 mommy i'm so bad with names um is it really my fault though if you get named something a name

05:43:34.380 that has two potential different no i don't know pronunciations actually funny story on that i think

05:43:40.940 i've said this once before on the stream i was dating this girl her name was uh it was uh

05:43:50.380 uh either c or k-a-r-a so kara or kara i don't fucking know we hooked up we had sex for the first

05:44:00.380 time afterwards this is only our second time hanging out right i'm like hey could you remind

05:44:09.420 me oh no how to pronounce your name she did not like this bear in mind this is like 10 minutes after

05:44:18.540 having sex for the first time right she was very upset oh how could you forget

05:44:27.020 the pronunciation of my name and it wasn't i it wasn't like i forgot her name i wasn't like oh no

05:44:33.500 i knew like the spelling i knew the exact spelling i just didn't know how to pronounce it

05:44:38.540 yeah the shit has two different potential pronunciations kara kara so um i had yes i had a

05:44:49.420 and oh oh okay jeez i land the plane brian jesus christ english is my second language i can't speak

05:44:56.540 properly uh let we just there was no subsequent so based solely on the fact that i butchered the

05:45:05.660 pronunciation of her name there wasn't she used that as pretext for us to not hang out that gave

05:45:13.100 her the ick it gave her the ick um you know what's weird though is like was there a way you could have

05:45:17.580 figured it out without having to ask her i was gonna say like how i don't know either but like what

05:45:22.460 in which way did you need to know the name right away rachel hey yo rachel wait you can pull that one

05:45:29.740 up oh sorry i'll do it i got it um yo rachel um we'd love to have you on you're you're dope um

05:45:37.740 your husband's awesome um so whenever whenever you want um love to have you on let's uh your

05:45:44.620 husband called me a lot of names rachel there you go he's a smart guy like um is there what was the

05:45:52.060 question oh just saying like maybe like did you need to know it right then because you just you're

05:45:57.820 just being honest and direct okay how do you pronounce it is a car car but the but like

05:46:02.060 i might have i'm maybe more cowardly than you i would have just waited yeah until like the next

05:46:06.780 day and then try to figure out maybe heard someone else say something yeah was there another way to

05:46:11.260 find it out probably i feel like i'm a pretty direct person and just very straightforward and very

05:46:17.980 to the point so against you on that and i think i have pretty well i don't know do i have thick skin

05:46:24.860 sometimes i get fucking salty on this podcast i get super tilted on this podcast sometimes so i

05:46:30.060 don't know do i have i don't know i have a rule now where like no one can disrespect me even a little

05:46:34.780 bit um so like for relationships like i'll be assertive about it in non-relationships but in

05:46:39.740 relationships it's like no chances like it's just telling to me and if it's not telling then like i don't

05:46:46.700 really care to stick around to find out so like if you were in that girl's in if someone would do

05:46:52.380 something to me that i wouldn't do to them that's disrespect to me and i don't know if she probably

05:46:56.060 just had a different mindset i'm not saying she's right i'm just saying that could be an explanation

05:46:59.900 like i think that it's kind of a big reaction to a small thing but maybe she just has a rule like that

05:47:07.820 yeah but maybe in her mind she's like she i get i get where why she'd be mad about that but i don't

05:47:12.780 know if it's a breakupable offense but also i just in my mind i was thinking how would i navigate that

05:47:17.740 i don't think i'd ask no i just wait like you forgot my try to be creative incredibly like oh

05:47:23.820 let me just like save the pronunciation so i can get that name back just been like is it pronounced

05:47:29.340 like this or like this sorry that's what he did do oh really well that's what he did yeah i don't

05:47:34.140 think you're wrong i think she might have taken it the wrong way taken it the wrong way and reacted

05:47:38.700 a little more aggressively yeah but you don't care how anyone says your name i really don't he goes to me

05:47:43.100 am i you still have an answer you go just say because she's a normal person i'm normal i played

05:47:47.260 i played basketball for eight years with one coach and he literally only called me maya so i'm used

05:47:51.340 i mean but i think that's an l for her like we just thought i agree i agree i agree and you want to

05:47:57.180 no longer we were otherwise having a good time and because i let's say i'm wrong let's just assume

05:48:03.580 jerk move to forget the name no is that something that you is that forgivable i don't think

05:48:08.220 yeah i think 100 for you i actually agree with you 100 on the situation i was thinking how

05:48:12.620 i would do it and i go i'd probably cowardly wait till the next day oh that's all i'm saying

05:48:17.180 well it's it's always so funny like you women often say oh it's so important to communicate like

05:48:22.940 well okay hold on this is me communicating like sorry i fucked up i forgot how to pronounce your name

05:48:27.660 properly blame your parents they named you a ambiguously pronounced name like cara cara huh i don't know

05:48:37.740 how to pronounce that shit honesty there's a book called honesty i think or truth or

05:48:42.300 something along those lines by sam harris and he talks about how like honesty is always the best

05:48:46.460 solution you can never find a solution ever find it god there is but there's a point like someone

05:48:51.100 says what about if your wife is asking do i look okay in this dress or something no i would just tell

05:48:56.220 her right but he was going if you if her only motive is just she needs to hear something kind from you

05:49:02.780 then that's not really lying you're just kind of going you always look beautiful to me or something

05:49:06.940 you know something like that like in that way because directness works in your advantage probably

05:49:10.460 99 of the time i'm guessing and then that was one of the scenarios where you're like oh

05:49:14.540 shit maybe this directness does it change anything for you girls if it was like let's say it was during

05:49:19.500 sex oh like if he mispronounced your name during sex if like he's he's he's like pulling your hair

05:49:27.660 and shit he's in your ear talking all kinds of you know you know how it is right you learned about

05:49:32.460 brian you know the game like right you're you know he's okay and he's whispering he's biting your neck

05:49:40.700 i swear it was afterwards i swear it was afterwards but what if it was during if it was during because

05:49:45.580 literally my name is always getting asked i would genuinely not care but if it would be if it was

05:49:51.500 different where you and i if i was her you and i were together let's say for a week we had been

05:49:56.380 seeing each other for a week or two by then then obviously i would be offended it'd just be like

05:50:00.620 okay you've heard me when we went to coffee or whatever it may have been it was like you said

05:50:04.780 it was the second date then yeah then everyone would be offended maybe the it was either second

05:50:09.740 or third and we'd only been talking for like two weeks or something but also it's different if you

05:50:15.500 said like someone completely different like if you said like a completely different name that he's

05:50:20.220 he's fucking her and he goes brian yeah yeah it's not like i called i knew i knew the spelling

05:50:27.100 i knew the spelling it's not like i didn't know her name it's not like i was like gertrude

05:50:31.820 yeah yeah the more we talk about the more i'm on your side on this because you're like

05:50:35.580 listen how listen i've we've went on two dates how many times have i said your name out loud yeah yeah

05:50:40.380 we talked about a million things i could tell you where you work i could tell your opinion on this

05:50:43.420 i can tell you but like you don't say your name very much yeah yeah so it's like just remind

05:50:48.220 me of the pronunciation yeah i could tell you a million things about you yeah this is so cute

05:50:51.980 we're all agreeing yeah i'm trying to keep i feel like i feel like for five hours it was like very

05:50:59.340 intense or so i hope the viewers don't mind that i'm just like taking a little breather like just

05:51:05.660 inserting a little uh levity into the conversation and i know a lot of people tune in for like those

05:51:12.380 heated spicy moments but five hours i need to like just decompress i didn't even realize how long

05:51:18.700 it was i hope the chat doesn't mind i'm just having like a kind of fun light conversation because

05:51:23.660 after that girl i need a deep wasn't it great when mia called her a cunt

05:51:27.980 that's why i said so much like i was like oh this would have been blows like a guy would have fought

05:51:45.100 her or would have fought if she was a boy yeah um yeah i like that no one knows her name like she's

05:51:54.300 so she's like voldemort

05:51:56.780 god was terrible tonight oh my god oh shit um oh so you said from dating extremely successful

05:52:16.860 people yes and then there's more but like i just want to dive into that so when you say from dating

05:52:21.820 extremely successful people what do you what do you mean by i won't preface with like their earnings or

05:52:26.540 anything of that sort because i don't think that's necessary i think with success to me

05:52:29.900 it's more so of their development where they are in life whether happily or emotionally or even just

05:52:36.780 business-wise etc education um with that being said i've dated really great people i wouldn't say

05:52:43.100 oh they're the what is it called the high man or whatever the high value man um i would refer to

05:52:51.100 them as that not everybody would and that's obviously subjective i think because of that i've learned

05:52:56.220 a lot about myself and i've learned a lot about the realm of my current history and my current

05:53:02.140 my current lifestyle with only fans and all these things that i've done in my past as well as being

05:53:06.300 a younger girl that doesn't necessarily hold me away from anything in life whether it be this high

05:53:11.980 value man or even genuine relationships emotional etc i'm grateful that i've actually had really great

05:53:18.220 relationships with a lot of different people both friends and emotionally and romantically that i just

05:53:24.140 have learned like this yes this is my decision to continue this job and whatever it may be and do

05:53:28.780 the choices that i've made in my life but yeah sorry that's no no i was laughing at this here i'll pull it

05:53:36.140 up just because thank you for the australian need some aftercare after that five hour fucking

05:53:41.980 i asked him how do you do this because i just i can't imagine i mean to be fair that this panel was

05:53:53.420 interesting yeah it was it was like probably one of the more

05:53:58.860 like i said before eventful panels that we've had we had the pink girl going up she was being not

05:54:04.940 you but the girl who's sitting there being obnoxious you went and cried on the balcony i'm just not

05:54:09.980 trying to be me and just that was that was a moment there was a lot a lot that happened a lot that

05:54:16.380 happened so um so wait okay dating uh you said you've learned that my job has really opened my value

05:54:23.660 in terms of knowledge and interest onto many others in those more successful positions oh this would

05:54:29.100 have been great if andrew was here um god wait in knowledge and interest onto oh okay i've learned

05:54:36.060 that being an only fans girl actually portrays me very differently than the assumed dumb young girl

05:54:41.660 who is sexually selling her body for pennies with little to no education and no comprehension of the

05:54:47.420 damage of their uh damage their digital past will do onto them if anything more intellectual men and

05:54:53.900 women have acknowledged the power and knowledge it takes to build a charming character onto multiple

05:54:59.260 platforms for the purpose of s work and sex labor etc i kind of went beyond so the first thing i want

05:55:08.780 to acknowledge is jeff actually said looking as a 40 year old man that you think that looking back

05:55:14.220 onto past there's always going to be regret and i completely agree and i can already see it on your

05:55:18.460 face i completely see that and that's not to say that there isn't and i know there's always going to

05:55:22.140 be regret i mean i started when i was 18 i'm 21 and i have certain regrets um what would i have

05:55:27.020 acknowledged from dating either more intellectual people older adults or anything of that sort

05:55:31.660 somebody who might see as higher value or successful or worthy of a real conversation just

05:55:37.580 like almost all of us have had really great conversations i have learned that my decisions have

05:55:43.500 actually opened other people's minds which is very interesting a lot of people have grown into

05:55:50.060 having more introspective ideas in terms of what is sex work and what does it actually allude to

05:55:54.940 and what actually does it open up from does it also always conclude to damaging somebody's

05:55:59.820 whole identity for the rest of their lives in addition to that how is it empowering how is it

05:56:05.260 not and all these things that's what i've learned from myself and learned from others having those

05:56:09.100 conversations i've aided a lot of people in opening their own minds to their own sexual desires and

05:56:14.620 ideals and all that stuff but i as well have had many of conversations with people who are religious who

05:56:19.500 are not and all these other things older younger and with that i've learned one to always value

05:56:25.820 other people's opinions and not necessarily value them in the sense that they have to affect me but

05:56:30.540 holding true to every person's opinion has value and has a reasoning and has a perspective that comes

05:56:36.620 from some sort of past or certain expectation or something that they've been taught and that's helped

05:56:41.500 me and aided me a lot in my own journey and that's why i always conclude too i've i've been able to learn a

05:56:47.900 lot and i've also been able to teach a lot and that's a blessing at the end of the day

05:56:58.060 i'm sorry if i'm flabbering too much i'm exhausted so yeah yeah but i mean so it sounds like

05:57:04.860 you okay so you said you've learned that being an only fans girl actually portrays

05:57:08.780 you very differently than the assumed dumb young girl who's sexually selling her body for pennies

05:57:13.900 with little to no education no comprehension of some of the other stuff um if anything more

05:57:20.380 intellectual men and women have acknowledged the power and knowledge it takes to build a charming

05:57:24.380 character onto multiple platforms for the purpose of sex work sex labor i mean don't you think it's

05:57:29.900 kind like it kind of sounds like cope i would yes it definitely can be cope and you're shaming women

05:57:35.260 who don't do sex work basically no no that's what it sounds i'm not trying to shame anybody that

05:57:38.940 doesn't do sex work i actually also agree that sex work is not a beautiful choice of work um what i

05:57:44.380 was kind of alluding to in that phrase was more so that what was it um could you repeat a little bit

05:57:53.420 of it just so i can get well you said that um if anything more intellectual men and women have

05:58:00.540 acknowledged the power and knowledge it takes to build a charming character onto multiple platforms

05:58:06.940 yeah so what i was kind of alluding to was a lot of times a lot of people think okay you're 18 you're

05:58:12.060 young you're 20 whatever age may be you're starting an only fans you're starting pornography of any

05:58:16.220 sorts you're doing it because it's a means to an end and in addition to that it's just easy money

05:58:20.780 it's actually not and it's it's really hard yes it can be very lucrative but that comes with a lot

05:58:26.700 of efforts and energy and a lot of laws and lessons and that's something that i've learned and i've

05:58:32.140 actually worked on with so many other people not just let's saying other only fans girls not saying

05:58:39.020 agencies not saying any of that even other people who are familiar with developing their own tech

05:58:43.740 businesses etc and etc having those conversations working with professionals in those different

05:58:49.260 platforms and also even with just the technologicals also having to portray your identity consistently

05:58:56.540 all throughout different platforms just as it is being a creative

05:58:59.740 anything that's what i've learned and with sharing that information of what i have to do daily to

05:59:05.660 maintain my identity as an only fans girl or maintain my identity overall as a creator

05:59:10.300 that's also helped a lot of people understand that hey it's not easy it yes you can get a dollar for

05:59:14.940 showing your fucking holes but you really have to attract more people you have to build your market

05:59:20.380 all that thing not that it's easy i do not think that it's something that anybody should just willingly

05:59:24.540 easily go into just because they think it's a means to none because it's never going to

05:59:28.780 do you do any content sorry to cut you off there do you do any content too or no like oh you don't

05:59:33.820 have of correct i used to have oh you used to and you but you don't correct um wait i have a question

05:59:39.820 for you guys so have since having started doing of adult content however you want to call it do you

05:59:48.300 guys think it has had a either a negative neutral or positive impact on your romantic prospects or

05:59:56.460 relationships definitely negative on my definitely negative yes and i wasn't even posting any of like

06:00:04.380 sexual content it was just like lingerie stuff lingerie stuff and i still got really bad backlash i would

06:00:09.500 say neutral neutral for you oh i no i was just saying i've had both like i've had guys that i like

06:00:18.220 not really interested to but like started talking to and they would be like oh you have an only fans like

06:00:23.180 whatever kind of weird about it but i've also had people that are very like accepting and they're

06:00:28.060 like as long as you're just doing stuff with like me like your relationship whatever like that's fine

06:00:33.020 so i've had both but it's not clear to me if that's necessarily a positive um i think well for

06:00:39.020 relationship wise like i the people that i've dated and like had serious relationships with didn't care but

06:00:47.100 the negatives definitely come from men that subscribe to the only fans if that kind of makes sense yeah

06:00:52.220 well let me ask you guys a question um do you do you think there are more men that

06:01:01.980 would are there more men that see only fans when it comes to a potential romantic partner are there

06:01:07.420 more men that would see only fans as a negative in the relationship or negative uh thing when it comes to

06:01:15.180 potentially picking a partner or there are more men who are going to be like i view a girl doing that

06:01:21.740 as a positive thing i would say sorry go ahead um as if we're looking at the average man so somebody

06:01:30.300 that isn't involved in the los angeles world per se or the miami worlds um i would say yeah it's obviously

06:01:36.300 a negative it's this woman who i'm interested in who's socially sharing all these images and portraying

06:01:42.380 herself as xyz and obviously that's a negative i think the reason i remain neutral and i think

06:01:48.700 that's kind of what she was saying was because people who actually get to know ourselves and

06:01:53.660 develop an actual relationship with us in addition to having known about our only fans or later on

06:01:58.300 finding out about them discover okay this is only one identity with which they create content they

06:02:03.980 create whatever and it's really just to make money yeah it's like we're all just trying to survive to

06:02:07.660 survive and i think that's where it becomes neutral nobody to my face and nobody even in my past has

06:02:13.740 ever said right i would never ever see her again i would never do anything with her i would never be

06:02:18.300 with her because of her decision i've actually gotten a lot of people to come back and just say hey

06:02:22.860 i'm so very proud of you actual exes who have just said i'm very proud of you they're proud of you

06:02:27.820 starting an only fans not for starting only fans for building a business for myself for building

06:02:32.860 something at such a young age like doing all the things that i did so early on and things that i

06:02:37.420 was passionate for not that it's a positive like i'm saying i really do not think that sex work

06:02:41.660 should be normalized i don't think it at all should be on tiktok where people are saying this is my life

06:02:45.980 as a sex worker and all these things i think it's really sickening and it's really bad how organically

06:02:51.340 we're sharing this and thinking that it's okay for the younger kids yeah at all to ever interpret

06:02:56.060 this as normal even for older generations as well we're normalizing it for everyone and it is not okay

06:03:00.620 sure i'm just trying to think like i don't know like probably there's some guy out there

06:03:08.620 there's some guys out there that might view it as a pro for a girl to have only fans but i feel like

06:03:14.300 for the vast majority of men it's kind of the vast majority of men i think it's going to be a negative

06:03:21.020 they're going to be going to lead to insecurities i don't know not like in a negative way but i don't

06:03:25.740 know if it's necessarily insecurities but i would say the vast majority of men are going to view

06:03:30.220 that as a negative mark on you and then there's a large portion of men but less than the ones that

06:03:39.740 will will view it negatively that it'll just be neutral butler donated 200 for the comedian with

06:03:46.860 the high body cat are you aware condoms do not protect from genital herpes feel that tingling on

06:03:53.660 your balls that's the onset of a deadly outbreak this is the end oh no it's the end here i'm going to

06:04:01.100 send the asteroid oh no it's the end according to jay butler why did jay butler not give me the good

06:04:07.500 news or the bad news sooner i guess that's really funny he's too interested like he it has to be a

06:04:17.020 kink like right like why else would you be like that or a running gag what's the name for the

06:04:24.940 bug chasers i've never heard of that you guys have never heard of that there's like some uh

06:04:30.860 uh it's like i it's probably a mental illness there's a group of people that chase getting

06:04:39.420 stds they're called bug they're called bug chasers and i think this was something oh no this i almost

06:04:46.780 wonder if this is tos wasn't this in the 70s or so it was i think it might have been during the hiv thing

06:04:52.300 with a certain bug chaser but uh i don't i don't want to get into it but um apparently are you saying

06:05:00.700 that maybe he's he's a bug chaser are you saying jay butler's a bug chaser he wishes i had herpes

06:05:07.180 what the hell he's the one that's the doctor right yes that checks just kidding jay butler you're not a

06:05:12.220 bug chaser but i also don't have herpes because the world's listening i'd like to make that clear

06:05:17.340 i i just wonder like do you think and i i think to some degree there's some cope about

06:05:25.980 well oh if you're engaged if you've done only fans then you're just going to be like a miserable cat

06:05:31.500 lady i actually think that's cope from men who i look i'm not in favor of like and my preference

06:05:39.260 would be to not date a girl who does only fans but uh i i do think there's a

06:05:47.340 a strong cope from a lot of dudes of like oh these women are just going to be like

06:05:51.340 lonely cat ladies i do think they'll be fine yeah dude there's a lot of simps out there so

06:05:57.100 but also don't support it but like i think that they're not going to be cat ladies there's a lot

06:06:03.260 i mean i'm already a cat lady so it's oh boom she's sorry you don't strike me as a cat lady if

06:06:07.820 they're like surrounded by people but i will say that like why do you want your boyfriend to not

06:06:11.420 cheat on you wait what i'm sorry why wouldn't you want your boyfriend to have like a lot of like

06:06:15.580 other people they're having sex with you want it to be yours right so the same with only fans or

06:06:19.820 porn or any of these sexual it's kind of the same thing it's just a different level of that i don't

06:06:23.420 want guys seeing you naked yeah i don't want guys masturbating to you that's i like to think this is

06:06:30.300 for me and that's all that's it's pretty you know simple i agree it's not me going what a dumb

06:06:35.820 bitch but it's me going like maybe don't please don't do that when a relationship comes into like

06:06:41.340 your life i think that's a conversation that you should have too and that's about like maturity and

06:06:45.180 being an adult like i don't know why i keep going back to the holidays but if i brought someone home

06:06:49.820 for the holidays and my dad can just go to the computer and see the woman i love naked i'd be

06:06:56.380 mortified yeah yeah that's fair yeah i've had relationships like i said i'm not actively dating

06:07:01.340 but i've had relationships that come in after the fact like after i started only fans and a lot of

06:07:06.780 people will either say oh i didn't know that you did that or i already knew and even then it doesn't

06:07:11.660 offend me it doesn't bother me obviously they don't want to think about all these other people

06:07:15.660 that might be doing whatever to your content obviously nobody wants to think of that sometimes

06:07:20.780 even then because of that what i've learned is a lot of that open communication like you said maturity

06:07:25.900 just open dialogue of just hey let's just not talk about in certain times obviously i'm not going to

06:07:29.980 talk about it before i go to mass obviously i'm not going to talk about it at the dinner table

06:07:33.420 obviously i'm not are you religious i'm catholic whoa whoa whoa oh my god where's andrew wilson hold

06:07:38.060 on oh okay okay i wait whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

06:07:44.780 i grew up you're catholic you grew up catholic i grew up catholic um is that part of the only

06:07:49.980 fans character no no i actually try to keep it separate entirely um i grew up catholic my mom

06:07:55.420 is mexican catholic and like super religious but are you catholic currently i say that i'm still catholic

06:08:01.020 i don't necessarily practice actively i just actually today went to a non-denominational

06:08:05.820 christian church for my friend to kind of accompany her but i just didn't really feel connected and

06:08:11.740 quite honestly i felt most connected to catholicism i also like i will say like my my whole basis of

06:08:20.860 religion is very distinctly different my father grew up very atheist said that we were jewish at one

06:08:26.060 point just because so i practiced every fun family prank well he said you know we're all jewish

06:08:32.220 yeah he's like well because they were separated my mom would just be like why i want to come back to

06:08:36.620 that but uh here let me just read this chat daxium and people question abstinence there you have it

06:08:42.300 and then we had this one the axiom hey thank you for the big 200 by the way just to let you know if you

06:08:46.540 do this via streamlabs.com slash whatever uh the 200 that treat they'll trigger instant tts it'll come in

06:08:53.100 instantly and youtube takes 30 of all youtube-based super chat revenue so so if you do it through

06:09:00.780 streamlabs for example with this first off very grateful thank you very much man appreciate it

06:09:06.220 um if you do it through super sorry i'm it's getting late here i'm losing my train of thought

06:09:11.900 if you do it here so youtube has taken 60 of this so if you want more of your patronage to go towards

06:09:18.860 whatever instead of the youtube mega corp um you could do it through streamlabs they take like three

06:09:26.380 bucks per hundred it's about three to four bucks per hundred so a lot more of your patronage actually

06:09:30.620 goes towards me instead of the the pockets of woke mega corp youtube in any case really appreciate your

06:09:36.140 patronage man she who will not be named was an objective devil cultist satanists see themselves as

06:09:43.180 gods she was a deceptor and wanted everyone to hear her message she was the antithesis of her

06:09:49.260 message true facts dude that's facts i can't was a little demon yeah yes it's true bro the axiom

06:09:57.580 that's a very good analysis man um and then we had let me get one more chat we had uh nickelodeon he's

06:10:04.140 maybe an hour behind who's the real p word the man that's attracted to 18 year old women or the woman

06:10:11.260 that has s in front of a camera knowing a larger number of her clientele is teens click yes if

06:10:17.660 you're 18 lol good argument okay excuse me got the hiccups thank you thank you nickelodeon

06:10:25.580 by the way nickelodeon i don't know if you know this this year i have the aggro crag from nickelodeon

06:10:31.500 guts a real small one it's a small one i don't see of blank is negative i like showing off my wife who

06:10:37.260 does of etc but because i'm the one she comes home with i don't mind body count experience

06:10:42.220 she knows what she's doing to the bj suck oh gosh okay that there's a lot of points i could

06:10:49.660 go into there um i think this probably used to be a debate people would have back in the day like

06:10:55.420 could you date a stripper or could you date a you know like there's all those things like

06:11:00.300 i think some people just get jealous a lot easier dated an actress that she had to make out with this

06:11:04.860 guy in a movie set and i was just like i have to watch the girl i like you make it she's just

06:11:09.580 acting and i was like i had a problem with that let alone i have a really hot take here and it's kind

06:11:17.100 of a joke but i'm gonna say um men who like slutty women are secretly gay oh wow they're in denial

06:11:27.980 because they want another man's come by proxy oh they want another man's come in and around their

06:11:35.900 mouth and dick it's a real straight way to get it it's kind of they might be gay i don't know that's

06:11:42.220 funny that's also a king huh like just oh like being a cuck yeah that's yeah so i mean when it comes

06:11:49.740 to body count right like you got to think so so when it comes to like body count in this right like

06:11:55.260 would you want to sleep with a girl who just got cummed inside of by another dude but like

06:12:00.860 how far do you extend that 10 seconds no 10 minutes no what at least these are my answers one hour no

06:12:07.420 three hours no 10 seconds oh sorry we're not answering a fortnight no um so uh but also why are you

06:12:15.340 getting what the fuck yeah what did you guys read that chat no what did it i didn't see it what did it

06:12:21.980 say oh it's it's no wait no it's not there it said uh hey brian i'm very interested in you to be your

06:12:27.340 trad boy oh oh say it into the mic i'm sorry hey brian i'm very interested in you to be my trad to be

06:12:32.620 no i'm she's your she wants to be your trad boy oh um i don't know i get a lot of dms so i didn't see

06:12:40.460 it pop up but she paid 50 bucks no i think it was only 10. oh was it what's a trad boy yeah

06:12:47.500 traditional wife like trad traditional my bad um but uh it's a very nice offer when it comes to

06:12:54.940 let me just see it oh it was dr clockwork first off i appreciate your patronage man thank you i just

06:13:00.140 have i disagree with you a bit on this um he doesn't mind body count experience well first off i think

06:13:07.900 uh you don't need to have a high body count to be good in the bedroom as a woman you could have had

06:13:13.500 one sexual partner and that was your long-term boyfriend and you guys had a bunch of sex and

06:13:18.620 figured it out uh also if you're a guy and you know what you're doing in the bedroom you can take a

06:13:24.700 girl who is a virgin and has never had sex or even a girl who's maybe hooked up once or twice but

06:13:30.460 hasn't had a long-term boyfriend and she doesn't even though she's not virgin she's had

06:13:34.940 sex like only one two three times you can have really good sex with her if you

06:13:42.300 most women like guys to take the lead so um i don't know i yeah it doesn't necessarily mean

06:13:49.180 they're experienced yeah for sure also if you haven't if you haven't been out whoring around you

06:13:55.180 wouldn't even know the difference you would just be like yeah this feels fucking great look like sex is

06:14:00.220 pretty net pretty pretty enjoyable that way they're like who are you like who are you going

06:14:04.700 home and going well this is terrible sex like i've never had that i've never once been upset she'd

06:14:11.100 have to like hit me with a rock or something for me to be upset about sex oh no he mentioned toothy bj

06:14:16.860 too oh yeah like i don't know you what matters more than a girl who sucks dick well like i think there's

06:14:24.060 like sex isn't that big of a like obviously you want to have good sex but frankly so long as a

06:14:31.340 woman is enthusiastic and open-minded and a good person likes you or loves you you can have like

06:14:39.900 i don't know bro you can have good sex with with her that's what angela would call a simp comment

06:14:46.060 me no not you no the toothy blowjob thing oh okay or to be like yeah dude my girl she does she's the

06:14:52.540 best at this because she does it all day like i think what's going to be a bigger turn on it's not

06:14:57.260 like the way in which a girl can like maneuver her hips while on top of me or like her gluck gluck 9000

06:15:03.500 whatever the it's like you want to like honestly things you do outside of the bedroom or just your

06:15:10.620 general demeanor are is what's going to turn me on or be attractive like if she loves you to death

06:15:16.300 and she's your ride or die she has your back um she's going to take care of you like i don't know

06:15:23.340 um there's a woman i used to hang out with in san diego i'm maybe sharing a little too much here but

06:15:28.620 like like after shows people want to hang out and they want to like oh we're hanging with a comedian

06:15:32.700 or we're drinking with a comedian or blah blah blah or maybe they're sexually interested you know the

06:15:36.780 party goes on for whatever there's a girl that i would hang out with every single time and people

06:15:41.820 would be like why her like you always pick her you always hang out with her you're like she's just

06:15:46.540 nice she doesn't give me if there's another girl over there she's not like who are these girls you're

06:15:52.220 talking to like if i'm not talking to her in that exact moment i've got a question for you on yes and

06:15:56.940 she's also very hot which helps but i'm saying that like she i think of her everything every single

06:16:01.260 time i think about like what i'd want like a in a girlfriend let me let me ask you a question

06:16:05.340 so remember the girl who's sitting here who kicked off let's pretend she was like a 10 out of 10 in

06:16:11.740 looks but with her personality yeah would you rather date her whoops sorry or date like a average

06:16:20.860 chubby girl who's awesome personality yeah that's what yeah personality i would pick the average chubby

06:16:27.580 girl yeah for sure over i think women undervalue that not you not you and they overvalue the the like

06:16:34.700 like a lot of girls especially this i'm mature i like funny women right but women will be like

06:16:38.780 i'm hilarious and they do that shit that she was doing where like she thinks by like over talking

06:16:43.260 or being really opinionated about a thing or or being like oh really sure about that or like bingo

06:16:48.140 or like all the little like bullshit that she tried to do she thought she was being very funny yeah

06:16:52.460 you know like surprise surprise like when you would say a thing like just all that kind of stuff

06:16:57.260 makes you garbage to me and not garbage we're based based um let's see here what else did i have uh

06:17:09.180 oh more notes oh right okay so oh no no it's the of thing oh i had this epiphany when it comes to of

06:17:15.500 right i have a question for you guys um have you guys ever or currently had a management company

06:17:22.140 running your of yes previously i tried previously you've never no what is that do you guys previously

06:17:30.380 or currently or both have a typer do you guys you know what that is like someone that responds somebody

06:17:37.980 who responds to the message on your behalf yes you've had that did you ever have that right now

06:17:44.540 i'm actively the one that has to message so i'm not you don't you've never you don't have a typer

06:17:49.340 no if you did though do you think you would admit to it i mean because most like we've had women on

06:17:55.740 the show who are like no i send all the messages i think and it's like no you don't if i did have

06:17:59.740 the typers i definitely would say like hey like let's be fucking for all like yeah it's not me you

06:18:05.020 know but i think the way that i carry myself with them it's like it's so interpersonal that i would have

06:18:09.500 to share that like hey i'm hiring elsewhere because i just can't do it i just want to do a disclaimer

06:18:13.900 here if a girl did have a typer so basically on only fans there's messaging back and forth um

06:18:21.260 a lot of these girls have a management company they have some dude and fucking

06:18:25.500 that poor guy i don't know the philippines or something or somewhere i don't know

06:18:28.780 fucking sending messages exactly just terrible job

06:18:33.580 um if they did have a typer they would certainly not publicly admit to it um but uh

06:18:42.860 well some people would be cheap that's why they don't have a typer yeah because they just don't

06:18:47.020 want to have to hire or pay them i just i guess they can make you more money though maybe i don't know

06:18:51.980 um but uh i'm trying to think here uh oh okay so you don't have a typer what you don't have a

06:19:03.660 typer you did how was it a dude yeah it was a guy it was oh no so keep this bear bear in mind so a

06:19:11.980 typer right when you're on when you're on uh only fans and you're a dude and you're subbing to these

06:19:19.500 girls typing to them you're like sexting a dude what the fuck bro yeah and they're pretending to

06:19:25.500 be you're sexting a dude who's pretending to be a chick um how much was he in the u.s or was it like

06:19:32.460 outsourced to like india or some no it was in the u.s oh okay um and he had like a 30 cut

06:19:39.980 that's a lot was he good with the dirty talk yes i was like oh my god i do not talk like this

06:19:45.420 that job just so that's gotta be like was he a gay guy or a straight guy a straight guy and he was

06:19:54.060 really oh my god what's that i think that's top five worst jobs i've ever heard there's there's

06:19:59.260 swarms of i would hate that job dudes sexting dudes via only fans and it's their job that'd be my

06:20:08.460 nightmare um well so i have a uh i have a theory on this um hold on let me just i'll wait till uh our

06:20:19.260 good friend maya is uh back here mia whoops my bad sorry um oh so okay here's my theory right

06:20:29.900 on why it's not the best or suboptimal no offense ladies to date a girl who does only fans and i

06:20:39.740 actually acknowledge all the arguments from a lot of men make that okay it's digital footprint your

06:20:44.220 nudes are out there on your your boys are gonna clown on you you're it could lead to your future

06:20:50.460 kids getting bullied i think those arguments are totally valid but i actually think there's

06:20:54.940 an argument that's a step above and it relates to the typing thing so and again i realize not all

06:21:02.940 only fans girls have typers but i would argue for example maybe you don't have a typer but maybe

06:21:09.980 you're not going to be straightforward about the fact that you have a boyfriend and you might be

06:21:14.060 saying to these guys on only fans oh i'm single right i don't know if it's the case for you but

06:21:19.180 there's probably certainly women out there who are representing themselves as single and

06:21:24.940 these men think you're single and they're actually trying to romantically pursue you by

06:21:28.460 i guess being simps which is a that's an l don't get me wrong i blame the men for being simps and

06:21:33.580 doing this but this actually occurred to me the other day one of the bigger reasons that i think men

06:21:38.780 should be perhaps cautious hey don't hate me here when it comes to dating women involved i actually think

06:21:46.780 okay it might actually be more on just this front probably better to date ah fuck i don't know if i'm

06:21:54.940 never okay okay hold on hold on no no i'll just stick to the point so these men um hold on let me

06:22:02.220 see how do i want to properly articulate this okay so a lot of women who do of they're going to lie

06:22:08.460 about their relationship status they're going to lie about the fact that they respond to their chats aka

06:22:13.820 they have typers and they might just lie in general to get attention right so

06:22:17.260 if it hurts your bottom line to misrepresent about the fact that you have a typer because

06:22:26.060 you didn't you didn't you probably didn't tell the guys by the way it's a dude texting you right

06:22:30.620 now you probably so they thought they probably had a good faith reasonable belief that they were

06:22:35.020 talking to you but they weren't so you've basically engaged in what my view is a deception

06:22:41.420 a misrepresentation a fraud and i actually do think that this could like if a girl has a typer

06:22:48.620 and she is representing that you can chat with me but actually it's some dude in bangladesh

06:22:56.940 that's not what the guys are paying for and so technically i think it's fraud like it's actually

06:23:03.740 could be criminal so i think a lot of women who it's not just oh your your nude images are out

06:23:09.660 there on the internet you're basically like engaged into some degree criminality misrepresentation

06:23:15.820 lying fraud and that does not make for a good long-term relationship partner and so

06:23:27.260 because you're you're becoming skilled in the arts of deception and misrepresentation

06:23:33.500 i agree you lie about you lie if you have a boyfriend you're gonna hide it you're not gonna

06:23:40.620 say you're gonna say you're single it's basically a romance scam this like this was literally light

06:23:46.140 bulb but this never occurred to me but a lot of only fans and i don't know if you guys saw that thing

06:23:50.620 with ruby rose this dude who spent this dude who spent seventy thousand dollars on ruby rose with this

06:23:56.780 expectation that he was maybe gonna have the chance to date or look i don't know what his there's probably a

06:24:03.340 lot more to the story but a lot of these guys build these parasocial and i don't get me wrong i don't

06:24:08.300 think it's entirely women's fault like you dude should not be spending no offense ladies i know this

06:24:12.860 is how you make your money dude should not be fucking spending all this money on only fans girls yeah

06:24:19.660 like it's some simp shit no offense i know that's hurting yeah i mean i have an actual job oh okay sure

06:24:25.900 but so they there's this like created parasocial relationship to fleece lonely men for money

06:24:35.020 and so to me it occurred like it's kind of a romance scam because these men think they're spending

06:24:43.580 they're investing this money into a relationship when i don't know um

06:24:50.380 i mean i i don't think anyone disagrees because it's literally i think it yeah like let's let's

06:24:59.260 put it this way we could sue these ladies is that what you're saying it might actually

06:25:06.860 no but i actually think it's uh it's like meets the actual legal definition of either false advertising

06:25:14.620 or fraud because well sure but if you're saying for example on your only fans i respond to chats and

06:25:24.060 message with me i don't have a management company even though they do i don't have a typer even though

06:25:29.020 they do and the guy is paying money in order to have access to you and to be able to type with you but

06:25:36.860 it's actually a dude and they're not actually getting the prod like the advertised product it's false

06:25:47.260 advertising and it's it's i don't know if it's similar civil fraud or criminal fraud but uh you're

06:25:53.980 making them do gay stuff you know wow that's that's like kind of grapey almost yeah like you're almost

06:26:01.100 like forcing these dudes to be like you're basically forcing them to be grooming them

06:26:06.860 yeah you're really making gay guys out there they don't even know i have a question um i'm getting

06:26:13.340 sleepy how much we're gonna wrap we're gonna wrap just in five minutes five minutes here it makes my

06:26:17.580 eyes what i want yeah yeah yeah um let's see here hold on i had let me just sleepy

06:26:23.420 one sec guys i guess i'll stay here what the fuck um

06:26:34.060 anyways um i don't know uh oh wait hold on

06:26:43.180 oh here i was gonna pull this up i just saw it i was preemptively waiting for it to come up

06:26:46.780 infinite singularity romance scams involve deceit for financial benefit exploiting trust

06:26:51.180 falsifying personal details on of for financial gain is a form of deceit that exploits trust

06:26:56.380 therefore falsifying details on of is akin to engaging in a romance scam um this person's smart

06:27:05.420 very smart infinite singularity i've seen them in the chat many times and also wingman w wingman in

06:27:13.180 the you know because for the that one episode wingman okay thank you appreciate it um

06:27:18.700 okay mia hold on we have a few more notes and i promise i'm gonna wrap here

06:27:23.660 you said that you've been sought after more for your success as an entrepreneur as opposed to my appeal

06:27:29.260 for being a sexual adult model on public display oh my sweet summer child oh my gosh no okay so that

06:27:39.660 might be taken into different contexts i will admit i was very exhausted after when i wrote these messages um

06:27:44.940 okay not not that that's like any advantage of anything i just was writing really fast um from

06:27:50.460 that my perspective was with a lot of different people whom i've been sought after either romantically

06:27:56.060 or just even friendship wise a lot of the time instead of just saying oh like she knows what the

06:28:01.500 fuck she's doing in bed i actually get the opposite of well you actually like built your own business

06:28:07.340 how did you do that just the interest the excitement of just this is so distinctly different obviously it's

06:28:11.980 not a normal occupation i don't think it should be normalized but i get that interest a lot of

06:28:16.540 the time not that i even partake in it because reasonably i still find it deceitful a lot of the

06:28:21.100 time when they see an only fans girl they're always going to say i can get her in bed immediately they

06:28:25.180 cannot obviously but they cannot no i don't sleep around but i just think it's very interesting like

06:28:31.980 a lot of the time maybe it is a seat but i will say just a lot of the time people who interact

06:28:37.100 with me and try to engage with me of any form typically highlight that they're just incredibly

06:28:42.700 interested in just the overall successes that i've developed with my business and how can i give

06:28:47.420 you some game let me give you some game though okay i'm looking out for you here um let me ask and

06:28:53.900 you probably already know this but maybe like the dots haven't been connected

06:28:59.580 do men lie to get laid absolutely okay do men flatter to get laid absolutely so you say that

06:29:09.660 meant you're sought after more for your success as an entrepreneur i'm saying this is as a whole

06:29:15.420 but like even even in platonic friendships people flatter each other to some end um what i would say

06:29:24.620 though when it comes to the men who are romantically interested in you uh they want to

06:29:28.940 fuck you of course they want to hit it um maybe they want to stick around who knows but they

06:29:34.620 definitely want to hit it and so they're going to be like oh my god you're so successful i mean

06:29:41.660 that's what i got out i love that for you i love that for you you're i'm it's just you're so ambitious

06:29:49.100 i'm just like you're i look you're attractive but like forget that i'm just so impressed by your

06:29:56.700 your success in your career if a guy if those words ever leave a dude's mouth he's full of

06:30:05.420 shit absolutely don't believe him he i mean all the dudes want to fuck you probably but he's trying

06:30:11.980 to fuck you oh no absolutely and i don't know if you know about dudes oh i do but they will say

06:30:17.180 they will try to flatter you of course they will say literally no and that's to try to fuck you i

06:30:21.900 don't engage with it typically but what i have noticed is even then with the people who aren't

06:30:26.140 necessarily doing it romantically it's more of just an aid wow this is amazing what you're doing

06:30:30.620 not in a flattering way where it's like romantic and i'm going to get some sexual appeal out of it

06:30:34.540 are these men from these not necessarily men like wait also newsflash all the dudes want to

06:30:40.380 fuck you oh absolutely that's why i was open with hey we should fuck wait wait is that what you said

06:30:46.300 no okay no what i'm saying is like a lot of times i've actually been reached out to because of that

06:30:51.660 and not from those agencies or anything like what do you mean reached out reached out to in terms of

06:30:55.740 like people just want to have a real conversation with me because it's interesting one the conversation

06:31:00.300 just how do you guys want to have conversations with you i'm talking anybody not just men women as

06:31:06.380 well but in addition people dm you just to like i want to talk it's like out of front out of like

06:31:11.180 acquaintances that i have things like that so it's you'll do that though yeah but but regardless i've

06:31:15.900 had a lot of people if it's i want to work if it's men they want to fuck you as well if it's men they

06:31:20.620 want to fuck you though i'm very private yeah but they but that's the other that's the other fugazi

06:31:25.820 is there are these dudes and i criticize men on this too there's dudes who will like

06:31:31.580 pretend to like be the friend try to be like friendly with the hopes that down the line

06:31:39.580 you're gonna want to fuck that's maybe accusing me of oh there you go um i agree i agree entirely

06:31:47.900 i'm not yeah with it by any means i'm just explaining but like if any dude is like oh wow

06:31:53.180 your college degrees oh my god that's so hot no it's fucking you played water polo neat

06:31:59.180 it's the finesse oh my god i can't oh my god you got a com degree oh my god it's also fun to

06:32:07.420 believe compliments like god like good ones or real ones like realistic ones yeah genuine ones

06:32:15.100 men men are really not attracted to your intelligence your no i i intelligence is different but i i would

06:32:22.380 say that when it comes to your financial success when it comes to your academic or career achievements

06:32:29.180 when it comes to your status frankly men don't give a fuck no they don't and if they do i would argue

06:32:35.020 like a guy who's like really preoccupied with your status he might just be fucking clout chasing or he

06:32:40.700 might be a bum who wants to use like he wants to uh there's definitely like dudes who will um what

06:32:48.300 they're called some girl said the hobo sexual like they're broke and they want to like there's a lot of

06:32:53.500 girls making a lot of money and you probably successful you probably make good money right

06:32:58.940 so they're like okay i'm gonna crash at her place and i slang good dick so she'll she'll stick around

06:33:05.580 have you had that with a guy no like a good dick slanger and you're like okay i guess you can live

06:33:10.220 with me i think this guy should kill the dick smith he's a dick smith i i've never really let guys

06:33:18.380 in that easily and even if i do have a conversation or like have a relationship with somebody it's not

06:33:22.460 like oh i'm gonna just support i don't support people just out of my kindness not yet have any of

06:33:28.620 you guys had that like oh yes he lived with me he didn't want to play any girls oh really yes and i

06:33:34.700 i've written this so common and like i don't have any judgment would you call him a boat what was

06:33:39.500 he hobo dick hobosexual yes definitely yeah you had a you had a hobo sexual he did not want to

06:33:46.300 like offer like to pay for anything and i was like well you're literally in my apartment this guy sucks

06:33:53.980 your ex or no no no no not the nurse ex okay no that guy was also a nurse yeah no

06:34:00.540 no no he was like 21 i was like 23 when this all happened and he was like ready to move in and

06:34:09.180 i was like oh yeah we're in a relationship and then yeah i paid for everything and yeah he was

06:34:14.620 comfortably like playing his video games oh i wanted to go move on from this um so uh you said that

06:34:23.500 i think modern dating has been so crazy it's based off sexual releases and having multiple partners

06:34:30.780 over actually seeking real relationships loving mature emotional and filled with the lessons i even

06:34:36.140 changed my own dating life due to the scheme of multiple partners by removing myself from having

06:34:41.820 physical relationships with most anyone you've learned to support polyamorous relationships while

06:34:47.340 being catholic because of the dynamic that is becoming modern day dating so you support

06:34:52.620 addicted myself so um i've learned a lot about let's go from the back end learned a lot about

06:34:57.820 polyamorous relationships i understand why people have these separate desires i understand especially

06:35:01.820 with my job sexual desires is literally all i deal with all day and so i've understand under began to

06:35:07.660 understood the reasoning behind why people desire so many partners why people think that is that they're

06:35:14.460 comfortable and more acceptable with a relationship in which they can have a separate partner in addition a

06:35:19.500 romantic relationship or many poly um i think in addition to that for my own personal relationships

06:35:26.780 i strive to actually not really have too many especially no physical relationships because i've

06:35:32.540 really just never encountered a sustainable relationship from what's going on in modern

06:35:37.740 dating modern dating consists of rosters multiple partners all these things not that that's necessarily

06:35:43.420 bad have you had that have you had a roster i've had it when i was in the start of my college

06:35:47.580 years and that was where did you go to college i went to cal poly pomona so where she goes right

06:35:51.820 now cal poly pomona oh okay so i went there fast sorry i try to say it fast because it's not a great

06:35:59.180 school from my perspective when you had a roster how many guys were on the roster i think i want to say

06:36:04.620 like four guys i was i wasn't crazy anybody else had a roster roster no roster check she just said that

06:36:11.420 she was like dating but that was all it was roster check it's like i have a favorite sorry i have a

06:36:17.420 favorite and then i just have like some guys that are just like around and like we hang out but it's

06:36:22.460 like very like my favorite it's like yeah i'll just come over your house but like other ones do you smash

06:36:28.860 no only one oh because i feel like if i'm fulfilled with one which yeah whenever i'm fulfilled by the

06:36:35.180 first guy i never want to hang out with the dudes yeah i mean well it's like i don't know them very well so

06:36:39.420 it's like to them they're like oh she's just like a little bit more conservative with it a

06:36:44.620 conservative threesome okay yeah every once in a every once in a while they get it have you had a

06:36:51.100 roster no never no come on no it's like i dated one and then that doesn't work out and then sure

06:36:59.660 uh what about you roster i think i might have is that like talking to multiple people at like

06:37:03.740 hooking up with yeah you go it could be hooking up it could be there's one guy there's one yeah

06:37:09.020 i've talked to like multiple people at once but they were all aware of each other like i never

06:37:13.660 kept it from anyone yeah wait okay so so you're so you're catholic but like how do you reconcile

06:37:20.620 again you said you learn to support polyamorous relationships while being catholic because of

06:37:25.340 the dynamic like so how do you again how do you reconcile your faith with the fact that you

06:37:30.780 do sex work i reckon isn't this sin isn't that it is sin it's a sin yeah like so you have to if you

06:37:36.860 want to be true to your catholic faith don't you have to like delete your only fans right now

06:37:43.500 not necessarily what do you mean not necessarily well okay okay from my interpretation what's your

06:37:48.140 interpretation of my interpretation is obviously we can have confession which is with the priest and

06:37:52.460 confessing to the sins and reconciling with trying to correct them but but my understanding

06:37:57.820 my understanding is it's not like so you can't just like continuously

06:38:03.340 sin you have to like of course but what i'm trying to say is i have a very different dynamic

06:38:10.860 of my interpretation of my religion because like i said i grew up with a father that was completely

06:38:15.980 atheist agnostic at times and then went back and forth and pitter-pattered with all that so

06:38:21.580 i have a distinctly different interpretation it's something that my family has succumbed to and they

06:38:26.300 understand and they are fine with and i do completely believe in my faith and certain aspects but as well

06:38:32.940 i don't believe in everything i don't necessarily believe that i should i had to save myself for

06:38:38.220 marriage obviously i've had 10 partners or any of those other things like those more stricter

06:38:44.860 regulations by three and that's the real number sorry sorry sorry my my finger slipped my bad

06:38:50.540 faith i really i hold myself to the strict standard of obviously believing in christ believing in god

06:38:58.700 believing in just the whole dynamic of that of biblical scripture and all that but i don't

06:39:03.500 necessarily hold myself to i have to do this exactly to the catholic rules because that's not even what

06:39:08.860 i was ever taught from my parents although i did go to catholic school although i did attend mass and all

06:39:13.260 these things uh okay all right well i'm not gonna okay oh also your twitter reads catholic by the way

06:39:21.100 your favorite slutty latina girlfriend and you do bg correct i do has it has it been with just one

06:39:32.060 guy just with one what's your current your current girl or a previous college person i don't know what

06:39:37.740 it is either uh you do girl girl too oh i think it's isn't that also probably not totally in line with

06:39:44.380 catholic okay um so boy girl girl girl uh okay good times all right cool all right i'm jewish and

06:39:52.460 i do all this but judaism's chill wait what judaism's like way more chill like it's like fine yeah like

06:39:59.980 we have this well i guess there's like orthodox oh they're not chill but like most jews are like

06:40:04.140 hella chill because our god is like not like that mad like wait well hold on but the old the old

06:40:09.740 testament is like super intense yeah but like jewish people okay all right like like you can go

06:40:15.820 into a synagogue and be like i'm jewish i don't believe in god and they're like let's talk about

06:40:19.260 it yeah because it's about the exploration of it you know okay all right um any final thoughts from

06:40:25.900 anybody before we uh wrap up the show that girl was fucking crazy yeah i'd like to say that uh 99.999999

06:40:37.420 percent of people when they say christ-like they're referring to you know kindness not when jesus held

06:40:44.700 a whip once thank you i think he knew what i meant when i said christ-like i don't know why i'm holding

06:40:51.580 on to that okay i'm afraid to be in the general area for the next eight days like she's because of her

06:40:58.940 i'm not gonna lie that did kind of worry me because she asked previously like where i was staying and i was

06:41:02.860 like really what the fuck like she's so and we insulted her and she's just out in the

06:41:13.020 fucking world and you know what she didn't don't do scary things remember yeah i mean if anything

06:41:20.620 i'm the one that like talked mad shit to her and like kicked her off the show and she knows i don't

06:41:25.980 know if you live here oh my god i'm far away she knows a place that you are oh my god

06:41:33.580 i uh well i more than anything she's just gonna spin this as like they were like obsessed with me

06:41:39.340 and after i left they kept talking like she's just more likely gonna you know i think she's probably

06:41:45.660 laughing she's like i trolled the fuck out of that i bet she's super super super super insecure

06:41:50.460 i bet you super well yeah that was obvious was it yeah i hope that peter is okay peter's not real

06:41:55.260 all right he's in the yo free peter all right hashtag free peter all right we get that trending

06:42:03.340 so uh yeah oh wait hold on let me pull up some of the chats uh one sec guys uh we have stochastic

06:42:14.060 decay to quote god bingo bingo bingo that we should we should add that to the soundboard

06:42:22.380 uh it's just jeff one john three nine esv no one born of god makes practice of sinning

06:42:27.980 for god god's seed abides in him and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born

06:42:34.780 of god that's from just jeff oh and then stochastic decay can someone check in

06:42:40.300 thank you man um any other final thoughts from anybody um any final thoughts

06:42:49.900 yeah i just pulled uh pull up that one from jessica

06:42:56.380 she already posted a story on ig on ig saying she has so much intel on them what

06:43:00.940 that's so scary let's see it so scary let's see your post yeah can we bring that up this is

06:43:08.140 obsessive no i don't we're not gonna it's pretty fun we're not gonna pull that out yeah she wants

06:43:11.980 the attention you're fine don't worry about it um women don't do violent cars apparently so it's

06:43:17.740 fine god if somebody breaks into the windows guys i've been hella blackmailed before that's like how they

06:43:24.460 act i just i've never met somebody that openly so openly shares all the things that they've done

06:43:33.900 yeah like that like no preface either like when i said i did bad things i was like i don't do them

06:43:40.300 anymore i know it was bad are we looking for this post i'll see if she's messaged me

06:43:47.500 you know what her name is so i can't even like i don't know either whatever um trying to uh sorry

06:43:56.460 one sec guys i'm just double oh can we pull up twitch guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever

06:44:01.580 drop us a follow and a prime sub thank you guys so much for all of you who have uh

06:44:07.260 oh bully kozilla thank you for the five community sub gifts thank you guys so much for all those uh

06:44:12.380 twitch primes thank you for the follows guys if you're watching on twitch right now

06:44:15.180 and you're not following please drop us a follow and if you have one available a prime sub thank

06:44:19.260 you guys really appreciate it um i'm trying to think if there's oh anything else was there was

06:44:27.420 there a twitter post i'll save it for i'm gonna save it for another uh another show um

06:44:34.140 shit there's one thing i wanted to talk about but i totally forgot what it was um hold on guys

06:44:40.060 shit ah sorry one sec guys uh sorry guys i'm just trying to get this pulled up it's not pulling up

06:44:51.420 uh wait it was something to do with uh oh um did you consider yourself a feminist i forgot

06:45:01.020 wait who believes in the patriarchy i don't even know what that is you don't you're a good person you

06:45:05.980 believe in it i literally don't know what that means okay you believe in that don't worry about

06:45:09.820 it i don't want to are you did you say you're a feminist or minorly yeah wait what minorly

06:45:15.420 minorly a feminist okay sorry i'm a radical

06:45:19.740 she dabbles in catholicism wait what's that feminist you know i mean you heard all my opinions

06:45:25.980 you know i'm not the most feminist feminist that there ever has been kind of a feminist um

06:45:30.780 um so you're feminist do you believe in the patriarchy um do you think that women what what

06:45:38.620 is the patriarchy um it's uh systems both social and politically um that have been in place been put

06:45:47.580 in place that um just systematic even even social systems systematically oppress all women

06:45:56.060 that's what the patriarchy i mean that's i mean that's my understanding i mean i just genuinely

06:46:01.340 have no idea what it is that eloquently about like if you gave me a piece of paper and told me to write

06:46:05.340 a paragraph i could probably do better but that's basically my gist okay you know and i'm not saying

06:46:10.060 like it's also there's no absolutes you know in these arguments which is worth mentioning so women are

06:46:15.500 oppressed yes what is the patriarchy to you if you don't mind i mean there's various different

06:46:21.100 definitions i've heard very you can ask 10 feminists and they'll all give you 10 different answers as

06:46:27.740 to what the patriarchy is um i mean i've heard the patriarchy is is a society built by men for the

06:46:36.060 benefit of men now using that definition i agree with the first part society in the world has absolutely

06:46:44.380 been built by men yeah not for the benefit of men though um so i don't think there's like this

06:46:53.500 grand conspiracy among men like yeah let's oppress women no um i think most people choose to

06:47:04.060 achieve they choose to occupy positions of power they want to at least they want to reach those

06:47:09.980 positions of power not to like oppress women but they do it to better themselves financially

06:47:17.100 and for the sake of their family like men aren't out there yeah i want to wake up at five in the

06:47:22.620 morning and go like do some like physically laborious task for 12 hours so i can oppress women

06:47:28.540 no they're doing it so they can provide for their girlfriend for their wife and for their family

06:47:34.460 and for their kids it's not a it's not a thing where there's a guy and he hates women and he's

06:47:41.580 gonna tell her and then he's gonna make her pay for it it's just like how we're socialized so that um

06:47:46.940 like for instance i think that women are worse drivers and i think that's because we don't develop

06:47:52.140 the same fine motor skills that men do from video games and sports ways like that that's pretty

06:47:57.900 sexist i don't think that's part of the patriarchy at all wow are you uh i'm just saying do you hate

06:48:03.420 women is that what it is i was not socialized to play video games to play sport you're so

06:48:08.460 misogynistic that's so misogynistic of you to say that i'm really offended how dare you

06:48:16.940 it's kind of a funny opinion also okay it's kind of based as much word okay

06:48:23.180 you can't be curbed wait so do you think so do you think women are oppressed in the u.s

06:48:29.580 are women oppressed yeah less so than they have been but so you're a woman so i'm i'm curious are

06:48:35.580 you oppressed yeah i mean it's not like a every day i'm struggling type of deal but in ways yes okay

06:48:43.260 so how are you oppressed um like i'll go to class and i'll be working on a project and i'll think my

06:48:49.340 project's okay and i'm working on it and the guy next to me um he sees i make a mistake and now he's

06:48:54.460 just cheating on me and he's cheating on no one like i can tell that it's very targeted and then

06:48:59.100 i walk i i like the one time i walked in the his room and then he took both my wrists and pinned me

06:49:06.540 up against his bed just as like a flirting tactic or one time he grabbed my throat because i made a joke

06:49:11.660 about how um what wait is this the same guy yeah and it wasn't like traumatic it was just like

06:49:18.300 yeah peter this man is like insulting me and he's touching me physically when i don't want it it

06:49:23.500 wasn't like traumatic but it was just kind of like what the fuck it was like i have to go to school and

06:49:27.180 deal with this and it makes me feel like i'm not as good at school the fuck you know shit like that

06:49:32.540 it's like it's crazy there's it's not you it's not you it's just there's people that do that

06:49:38.380 or asshole yeah that guy shouldn't do that but it's like he acts like that because his father

06:49:43.260 acted like that like his father before him you know i'm not saying all men i'm not sure if that's

06:49:48.060 evidence of your oppression though that i don't think that's appropriate behavior but i don't think

06:49:53.340 i don't think you're oppressed because some guy's a douchebag it's it's everything that happens to

06:49:58.460 women that wouldn't happen to a man that would happen to a man too what i think what you can

06:50:04.940 validate as oppression which i'm not even saying is entirely true is out of obviously the notable

06:50:12.460 pay difference with between men and women typically men are in the position of ceos owners and all of

06:50:19.660 that which may conclude to erroneous erroneous sorry my finger slipped my bad which is obviously

06:50:26.940 what may conclude to women receiving lesser pay all that thing in addition to that when it comes down to

06:50:32.940 representation especially with movements obviously me too concludes a majority woman so obviously with

06:50:41.020 things like that that can be an oppression where men instead say they're going to degrade the idea of

06:50:46.540 the me too movement just for instance and say oh it's always woman it's always woman and all these things

06:50:51.100 and that's an oppression against women once again if that patriarchy exists i'm not stating that it does i

06:50:57.020 think there's lots of other positions that can be held but well okay let's first let's let's

06:51:02.780 tackle the wage gap thing so the wage gap has been debunked there is no wage gap how much do you make per

06:51:10.140 month just curious i don't like to share that do you make five figures a month

06:51:17.260 let's say that have you ever made six figures in a month yes okay so that puts you in the top

06:51:22.220 one percent of earners in the united states so you out i would say that if you've made six figures in

06:51:29.900 the month in that given month you've out earned a probably 99 of men and in a female dominated

06:51:39.100 industry also why is it the case you work in only fans for example why is it the i think do you think

06:51:44.300 we should equalize the gender wage gap in only fans because that if you're a guy on only fans you

06:51:51.020 men make far less money there's far less opportunity for men to make money in that realm so do you think

06:51:57.500 that there should be uh equal pay in only fans obviously there is no equal pay in only fans

06:52:02.460 because if there was then obviously i would say yes i think that we should equally get a payment but

06:52:07.580 wait unfortunately it is literally so personal so particular let me ask you a question do you do you

06:52:13.340 think that and we can all the girls can weigh in on this for example um women in sports do you think

06:52:19.020 women in sports should be paid the same as their male counterparts so for example like wnba players

06:52:26.780 female soccer players um trying to think of other sports uh let's just let's just stick to soccer and

06:52:35.740 uh and basketball i would say do you think they should be paid the same as their male counterparts

06:52:41.580 the reason i would say that they do not deserve equal pay is solely because of the navigation of a

06:52:49.020 business which obviously the nba and wnba and football leagues or soccer leagues are businesses

06:52:55.180 at the end of the day they generate much more views much more marketing much more interaction with the

06:53:00.220 engagement of audiences for male dominated sports or male sports the version of men um so obviously i think

06:53:07.820 because of that with the navigation of all this marketing with all the collaborations with between

06:53:12.620 businesses yes men will obviously be making more money and i think that's well deserved because

06:53:17.100 it just unfortunately gets a lot more engagement and interact interaction sure well okay i don't think

06:53:22.140 that it necessarily plays out into women should get less pay that's not the that's not what i'm trying

06:53:28.460 to say i'm just totally saying as a business perspective yes so when when it comes to the wage gap it's it's

06:53:34.220 been debunked um you're welcome to look into it but the reality is when you look at the when you hear

06:53:41.020 the commonly cited wage gap women earn 70 it's always changing by the way 77 cents to the dollar 80 cents to

06:53:49.020 the dollar that a man makes that's not accounting for things like hours worked type of job um seniority

06:53:56.300 educational uh their educational background which also by the way women are for uh over 40 years

06:54:04.940 women have been outpacing men when it comes to getting uh college degrees and attending universities

06:54:11.820 so we have an entire generation of women essentially uh starting in i think 1979 women were going to

06:54:18.540 college at higher rates than men were so basically women who are retiring now for that entire period of

06:54:23.420 time there's been more women who have been going to college um what else when it comes to the wage

06:54:28.220 gap though uh what they don't take into account uh i said the hours worked they don't take into account

06:54:35.260 the type of jobs overpay men are more likely for example to work overtime men are more likely for

06:54:41.580 example to relocate for a job men are more likely to work dangerous uh dangerous physically laborious

06:54:48.060 dirty and dangerous jobs um for example workplace let's talk i mean if we talk about gaps right we'd

06:54:54.540 have to talk about the workplace uh injury gap the workplace death gap the workplace electrocution

06:55:01.660 electrocuted to death gap all goes hand in hand but let me ask you a question if you had to do a

06:55:05.980 dangerous job would you want to be paid it would probably cost a lot of money for you to be more

06:55:10.060 willing to do it right like a hazardous job where there's a risk of death or dismemberment or getting

06:55:15.820 crushed to death the reality is there's all kinds of wages but see what i think the issue when it

06:55:20.940 comes to feminism is women want to secure the cushy comfortable air-conditioned office jobs that are

06:55:26.940 high paying but you don't want to equalize it for the dangerous and difficult and dangerous difficult

06:55:34.780 and dirty jobs i was gonna so just to make sure you were aware like i really wasn't saying that that was

06:55:40.060 my position in the paycheck or anything i was just saying the obvious disagreements that a lot of people

06:55:44.540 have in the arguments um with that being said if you're prefacing that with the dirty jobs or

06:55:50.940 the more laborious jobs i agree they don't account for that a lot of these people that make this

06:55:56.700 argument that i just made as a devil's advocate is oh well yeah no the man can't take that i don't

06:56:01.660 want to work i want to be this whatever and that's fine that's somebody else's position i think yes those

06:56:06.300 positions do deserve a higher pay my mother for instance like i shared early on she was a welder she did

06:56:11.740 welding for 15 years i completely believe that that wage gap was not even there because she was

06:56:17.740 working a laborious job it she was working sure all that work yeah at the end of the day i just

06:56:23.740 i wish more people took an account like you said that wage gap does obviously go hand in hand with

06:56:30.620 the gaps between the harm that it is between sure and just i don't want to linger too long on the wage

06:56:36.140 gap thing but i would just say if there was an actual wage gap and you could get away with paying

06:56:40.300 women less than as a corporation the ultimate goal of a corporation is to make money so it would make

06:56:46.700 sense to me if if there actually was a wage gap you'd just hire only women and you'd save

06:56:51.740 you'd save 20 25 30 on payroll um also i think another factor that we have to look into aside from

06:56:58.380 all the things i previously mentioned let me ask you guys a question do you want a guy to pay for the

06:57:04.460 first date um into the mic i don't yes well it sounds like earlier you said you don't think

06:57:13.660 women should work you don't want to work you want to be a stay-at-home wife whatever um you want a guy

06:57:19.340 to provide for you you want a guy to pay for the first date yeah but if it doesn't happen that's fine

06:57:23.900 right but that's what you're angling towards that's what you're yeah that's what you want no no sane guy can

06:57:30.780 sit there and be like yeah i'm just gonna wait for a girl who's prepared to like provide for me

06:57:35.900 and pay for first dates like the most you can go for most men the most that you can go into a first

06:57:40.460 date expecting is to go 50 50 no god like you're going to run into a lot of dating issues as a guy

06:57:47.900 if your standard is i want women to pay for the first date like women can have that standard of i want

06:57:53.260 the guy to pay for the first date and you can find it very easily it's gonna be very difficult in

06:57:58.540 the dating marketplace as a guy if your standard is i want the woman to pay for the first date

06:58:02.220 you're gonna have a lot of dating troubles if you expect them to pay for 50 too yeah but it's

06:58:07.340 there are some women that will go 50 like that i've never met one of those it's just like if i'm

06:58:11.820 going 50 with you like you i don't owe you anything at all are you saying you owe guys something i'm

06:58:18.380 saying it feels like that i don't objectively i don't sure they made that decision they didn't

06:58:22.540 tell me at the transaction do you want to pay do you want a guy to pay for the first date yeah the guy okay

06:58:28.380 i don't care you don't care would you prefer the guy to pay for the first date yes i would prefer

06:58:32.780 it but i've done 50 50 and i'm more than okay with that okay what about you um i would just rather

06:58:38.780 pay for myself to be honest that's fair that's that's valid now but do you acknowledge that probably

06:58:44.700 for the most i don't i don't know if i want to attribute the percentage to this let's say the

06:58:50.140 majority of women would prefer the guy to pay for the first date not all women some girls are totally

06:58:56.060 fine with 50 50 but you say most women would prefer guys to pay for the first date yeah okay

06:59:00.780 so wouldn't it then stand to reason that that introduces a sort of um what's how do i explain

06:59:11.740 this like a uh domino effect in broader society if women if there's a mating pressure like in intense

06:59:20.460 mating pressure on men to be providers to pay for first dates couldn't that explain again i reject that

06:59:28.460 there's a wage gap but let's just assume there is couldn't just that on its own explain the wage gap

06:59:34.380 because there's a pressure on men that does not exist in women to be providers so if your standard is

06:59:39.420 men should pay for first dates to me it's like money to pay for it so oh i won't like for as a dude

06:59:47.340 i might not get laid if i don't pay make good money like that's never a question that's ever entered

06:59:54.460 the mind of a woman if i don't make enough money i'm not going to be able to get dick no that is

07:00:00.140 definitely something that might go through a man's head if i don't make enough money if i live with my

07:00:05.500 parents if i don't have a nice car if i can't pay for the first date you might not get pussy

07:00:13.980 it could it could you could still buy you can still get pussy you can still get but it's going to be

07:00:19.180 harder um so it's just i don't know it's like a man has to earn more than me to get my time or respect

07:00:26.460 but also men and women should earn the same pay for the same job and there are too many men at the

07:00:32.940 head head of industry we need preferential hiring to get more women into these roles but i prefer when

07:00:40.220 men i want to be a stay-at-home wife and not contribute to the house it's very confusing wait

07:00:47.420 okay going back to really quick and i know we're going to wrap up soon i know you guys are tired

07:00:52.380 um so how are you oppressed exactly um well i had an example that was like pretty severe

07:01:00.220 compared to most of it but um like things like that happen like not just to me that things like

07:01:06.940 that happen with a lot of people a lot like especially uh like cs majors they are engineering

07:01:13.580 majors it happens a lot with or things like um i i know exactly how my car works like i know that this

07:01:21.340 summer my serpentine belt pulled through to the pulleys because my car the car that i have is like

07:01:27.020 cheap and they make them out of plastic which they shouldn't because most are metal like i know

07:01:30.380 all this shit so i can get on the phone as soon as they hear my my voice it's an extra thousand

07:01:36.540 dollars like it always is like i've never like i i literally i'll bargain and bargain and bargain

07:01:41.900 and bargain i i've seen guys do it they'll get whatever i i'm asking for for like half the price

07:01:48.620 you know stuff like that wait hot take i know we're gonna wrap soon guys hot take men are more

07:01:54.220 oppressed than women yes you could make a good argument for it there are ways in war pretty big

07:02:03.820 one and i think those are also due to the patriarchy like in a society you said this is a society built

07:02:10.860 by men um so when you think a society built like built by men would the consequences of that would be

07:02:19.260 kind of men's fault and i'm not saying that the way there aren't ways that it's not clear to me if

07:02:25.180 it's their fault because they are men like it's not no individual a stronger argument to be made would

07:02:31.900 be people in positions of power regardless of their gender it's not because they're look at who's in

07:02:38.140 power look who's been in power for the last a million years okay and there's a hyperbole it's men okay

07:02:45.820 because i mean we're talking about earlier with like the essay stuff in schools and like women

07:02:51.020 saying um that's that's for instance a position of power that women usually aren't in over someone

07:02:57.180 else um in that position of power they used it so it's nothing about men's inherent like drive to

07:03:04.700 hurt people or themselves it's about when you're put in that position of power some people use it poorly

07:03:10.780 um and some people don't even know that they are that's cool but i think men are more oppressed than

07:03:16.140 women what do you think about that um agree to disagree i mean i can tell you more but like i i

07:03:23.820 gave up my point and you can respond to that or you can repeat well i mean okay so i can i guess i can

07:03:28.700 back this up a little bit so i think all feminist arguments just about oppression are dead on arrival

07:03:35.260 people because and this all of women's collective grief and grievances fall flat in the face of just

07:03:44.460 one there's many male grievances but there's one in particular that i think absolutely dwarfs any and

07:03:51.580 all of women's collective grievances and that is forced military conscription you can add up all of

07:03:59.420 women's grievances together and in my view they do not i know it's hard to make comparisons and

07:04:07.500 it's hard to compare and contrast forced military conscription

07:04:13.980 is worse than all of women's collective grievances you can whine about it all you want but i would say

07:04:22.460 the suffering that men have exclusively experienced during warfare throughout all of human history is

07:04:28.540 orders of magnitude greater than as i've said all of women's collective grievances supposed and real

07:04:35.100 when was the last draft when is the last wolf so well the last draft was in the vietnam war

07:04:44.860 and and then before that it was world war ii when when did women get oh no when when did women get

07:04:49.900 the right to vote um white women or with all all women super late i forget the exact year but it was

07:04:59.340 white women like 50 years before everyone else or before the last is that true yeah i'd like a fat

07:05:05.260 fact check on if on that in any case women's suffrage 1920 but women frequently right but but you're

07:05:13.660 saying when was the last here let me let's talk about it uh the ukraine war we can talk about the

07:05:19.820 ukraine war so there's currently two major ongoing military conflicts in the world we might be on the

07:05:26.380 verge of world war three yeah um so and in the event that that happens women are not subject to military

07:05:33.260 military conscription you want to talk about inequality y'all aren't subject to military forced military

07:05:39.340 conscription you don't have to register for the selective service the last time there was a draft

07:05:43.260 was in vietnam and i i know you want to use that as when was the last time there was a draft it's

07:05:47.820 actually very dismissive because here's here's a very big point here hold on what hold on i want to go

07:05:54.940 into the fear thing but there are men that would be alive today had they not been drafted and there are

07:06:03.500 men that were that are alive today that were drafted vietnam korea world war ii i mean there's

07:06:10.620 very few world war ii vets left but so there are men who would have been alive today right now they could

07:06:17.420 have been in this room that aren't alive because they were drafted in vietnam and then there's men that

07:06:24.700 did get drafted in vietnam and they have like major ptsd serious issues uh

07:06:31.980 yeah casualties of war they've lost limbs serious issues so yes they're the the ramifications of

07:06:43.820 forced military conscription are the the negative consequences of that are alive today in men

07:06:53.100 i'm gonna say something and you're probably gonna be like that's crazy let's hear it um let's hear it

07:06:57.740 uh unlikely um so there's ways to get out of the draft right i would much much much much rather cut

07:07:05.660 a toe off than than be a woman than how to deal with what women deal with you can skip the draft if

07:07:14.140 you have any wrong with you i would cut i would cut a hand off i cut a foot off okay um i've never heard

07:07:22.700 that argument when it comes to the draft you're pro draft dodger wait so what what were you but what

07:07:29.260 were you saying about the fear what were you saying about the fear like uh what did you mean when you

07:07:33.340 said fear well it seems like like you think that you're more oppressed than me you know would you

07:07:40.540 say that's true it's okay if it is you know and so if it's just that one thing when it's just that one

07:07:46.620 thing it's like it it's kind of unlikely that it will and if it does happen that

07:07:51.900 fucking sucks and you will have it harder than me i actually do i i mean i'm not of an age that i i

07:07:58.540 mean they could always expand the draft in the in the scenario of some catastrophic world war you

07:08:05.100 know they could extend the age but i did have to register for the selective service men who don't face

07:08:10.780 consequences they uh you can lose certain benefits as a man that doesn't apply to women uh so i mean

07:08:19.660 also that's the consequence of being physically stronger you know like you're able to protect

07:08:24.460 yourself in ways that i can't protect myself and as a consequence of that well yeah but you're if

07:08:29.260 you're you're a feminist you should be in favor of gender equality so women should be subject to

07:08:33.420 military conscription the consequence of being able to birth a baby would make this so you can make that

07:08:39.740 argument yeah the but hold on what's your point no no but take his point and just go with it

07:08:48.460 you can't blame men for being bigger and saying that's why you got to go to war even though that's

07:08:51.980 what we've kind of done i'm not mad at you about childbirth a lot of women are saying like hey what

07:08:57.820 are you doing right also when you're going to war you're not like fist fighting either

07:09:01.980 right and women women could be drafted and into like support roles even if even if you're not

07:09:07.100 what happens when you take away abortion rights you're drafted into a support role

07:09:13.180 if you have like what if you have like a kid that you didn't want that you were forced to

07:09:16.780 have you're drafted into a support role no but the state hold on the state is not forcing you to have

07:09:21.900 sex and if you want to get an abortion some people get forced to have sex okay but are you you're

07:09:27.820 you do realize most if i concede that some abortions are the result of rape well you concede that most

07:09:36.540 99 of abortions are because the woman can't financially support the kid or it's like yeah

07:09:44.460 the sex was consensual that led to her getting an abortion yeah okay so like you're making the argument

07:09:50.620 of from like the the the uh what's it called and abortion is also like a physical procedure so i'm

07:09:58.300 doing the same thing if i cut my toe off that's a physical procedure to get out of this draft it's

07:10:03.500 not a it's not a perfect comparison and it's funny to say these things because they're kind of ridiculous

07:10:08.460 but i think there is a little bit of validity there validity to what to like like comparing these two

07:10:16.620 things what two things uh the draft to anything else i've compared it to well it's not it's not

07:10:22.140 even just the draft it's actually warfare in and of itself is like something that throughout all of

07:10:27.740 human history i know that women can now enter the military well now it's but it's like something that's

07:10:32.300 pretty much exclusively been within the realms of men and military there's no glory in like there's i

07:10:41.260 mean i guess they're for some people they get some sort of glory from it but like warfare is brutal in

07:10:46.140 ways that you cannot imagine yeah and also like can i ask you can i just ask you a question what were

07:10:52.140 the dates of world war one do you know um i know like a range sure tell me the range like you don't

07:11:00.300 have to tell like just year just the year i'm not asking for like date or month early 40s no world uh

07:11:06.220 world war one world war one 1910 1912 somewhere around there to what i don't know how long it lasted

07:11:13.580 i think 10 okay 1914 to 1918 was world war one what about world war ii like 1940 something to when um

07:11:23.740 um that one lasted like six years

07:11:30.300 i think

07:11:34.860 do you want to give a range or

07:11:39.260 like between like it stopped it it it was captain 50. so as uh 1939 19 to 1945. yeah but i feel okay it's

07:11:50.460 like if you don't even know when the two most catastrophic events in human history occurred

07:11:57.740 i almost feel like you don't have the requisite knowledge to assert anything about the the ways in

07:12:06.700 which women are oppressed as compared to men i i don't really want you to tell me that i don't know

07:12:11.580 about these wars though just off one one detail but if you don't like i know about the axis powers

07:12:17.660 and the ally like i know about no actually i'm just for fun i'm just curious three axis powers

07:12:22.940 three allied powers um i get the names mixed up but i know um it was into the mic three access three

07:12:29.020 access access powers i know who is together i don't know three access powers three access powers

07:12:33.820 well if i say the wrong team you're gonna just go ahead see when i know a bunch of information

07:12:39.740 about it you know i'm not studying up on this like you are because you're a professional debate

07:12:44.220 guy you know so i don't think that's a fair comparison that because you have like statistics

07:12:50.140 and you and you like i i took his like i learned about these things and i knew them

07:12:54.780 you know i like i can tell you shit that i but like i don't think that's fair that's fine i mean i'm

07:13:00.140 sure we could go back and forth for a very long time i don't think it's worth really lingering it's

07:13:04.300 also 12 28 a.m and you're trying to get me to name axis powers like yeah that's a base that's

07:13:10.220 fucking base you're a fuckhead for that okay um i think there's advantages of being women and

07:13:16.380 disadvantages and there's advantages of men and disadvantages of men and what a lot of

07:13:20.540 people not use suggestively but what they like to do is go well this is why the world is

07:13:25.740 fucked and it's a man's system because look at all these things i have to deal with and you go yeah

07:13:29.820 there but you also have some pretty good ones like not going to war or like any time i'd love

07:13:35.340 to see a statistic on how many how many years men serve for the same crimes that women do i'd love

07:13:40.700 for someone to do it because i guarantee women crush it in the courts yeah crush it in the courts

07:13:47.180 for the same crimes and i don't go well look the system's set against men like i could i can make

07:13:53.340 some good arguments for that you want to hear something crazy somewhat crazy related to this so for

07:13:57.180 example we often hear that well black men are more likely to be victims of police brutality

07:14:04.060 or police misconduct than white men are and that's evidence of racism in the police force right

07:14:10.460 however that if you compare that to the rates of police misconduct and police brutality directed

07:14:17.900 towards men compared to one to women if you're comparing that to the police misconduct the comparison

07:14:23.900 between white men to black men the rate between men and women is like i think it's 8x or 10x yeah

07:14:31.660 greater so is that therefore evidence of sexism right systemic sexism within the police it's

07:14:38.700 whenever a bad thing happens to a guy it's like that's life that's just how the world goes and when

07:14:43.420 and i'm again i'm not putting this on you guys but like when when something bad happens to a woman it's

07:14:47.980 like we have this is a a fundamental systematic outrage you're like no it's just yeah life's not

07:14:53.820 perfect and shit happens to both of us and good things happen to both of us and i don't cry about the

07:14:58.460 bad ones it's not you can't i don't think you can compare the difference between men and women because

07:15:02.940 that's in our brain that's hormonal like if i can't really say anything else besides at the very

07:15:08.940 least the hormonal difference is so drastically different that that affects a lot of the reason men and

07:15:15.260 women are different sure different races have the same brains you know so it's not really comparable

07:15:20.700 like a different race's oppression versus oppression of a man versus a woman

07:15:27.980 uh word word oh here one more thing upon birth who do you think is more like oppressed or disadvantaged

07:15:37.820 men or women like like uh like being born yeah like upon upon when you're a baby yeah um

07:15:45.980 like like inherently what do you mean like how do you treat it as that baby like from from birth to

07:15:50.940 the first six months who's not counting china who's more see well they got rid of that i think yeah but

07:15:57.580 it still affects it culturally because um there's cultural impacts of things that let's just talk about

07:16:02.700 about the united states um who's got the words

07:16:11.180 i don't know you don't know okay what do you think well i think men um or boys i should say uh

07:16:19.980 even when they are that young um even when they haven't there's no way we're not counting wage gaps and

07:16:27.180 you know college admissions any of this what are you counting six months circumcision yeah that's

07:16:33.420 true so immediately upon birth nearly every boy in the united states has their genitals mutilated

07:16:39.820 that sounds like a pretty that's pretty poor outcome without their consent by the way so women

07:16:44.220 in some areas of the world that's in some areas of the world but i would argue that that male uh

07:16:49.900 male circumcision is far more prevalent than female genital mutilation that's true i didn't think

07:16:55.340 about that so i mean immediately upon birth as soon as men as soon as boys come into the world

07:17:01.100 without their consent they have their genitals mutilated so i mean they seem like smegma though

07:17:07.740 see i mean that's crazy that's a real crazy so do you think it's you do you think that that's a

07:17:14.380 good reason to no it's mutilate children's genitals because i was making a joke because of your preference

07:17:21.100 for men who are not or who are cut i was making a joke it's actually funny like if you think about

07:17:27.900 it the majority of uh this is almost something that's like single moms or like having their okay

07:17:35.660 well i don't want to get into it but uh you're killing me i'm gonna fall asleep at home um no but

07:17:41.500 it's just like if you start looking at if you pull back the the curtain like there's a lot of

07:17:48.700 pretty negative outcomes that impacts boys and men so well it's a leverage of power a lot of people

07:17:54.220 want to use these things as leverage of power they don't want to look into the details of it sure

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