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00:02:51.760 uh andrew's gonna play a mage uh okay andrew's gonna play mage he's he he does have hard reserve

00:02:59.780 on atiesh uh but yeah so we're gonna do we it's not 100 yet but we're gonna see the viewer interest

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00:04:02.240 without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name

00:04:06.380 age location and occupation go ahead hi i'm tira haas um i'm 23 years old i'm from ohio and i'm a

00:04:13.160 mental health advocate on tiktok and instagram but i'm also a waitress on the side all right welcome

00:04:19.000 what about you hi my name oh sorry hi my name is hannah record i am an actor by occupation i prefer not to

00:04:26.700 answer the number of my age because it could potentially out me for other roles so um and i

00:04:33.300 live in los angeles okay um and explain the we've had this before explain the like refusing to share

00:04:41.340 the age thing so when you're trying to act to be a younger age in a production they want you to be

00:04:48.920 within a certain age range even if you look like you belong in that age range if you don't like

00:04:56.720 biologically belong they might not cast you so it's important not to disclose your age

00:05:01.940 i don't really get it though like it doesn't make sense to me like you look how you look yeah you know

00:05:08.040 my mother agent told me to do it i don't know i just follow what i'm supposed to do

00:05:11.840 but why do you and um have you uh had any roles in like any films or tv shows or i do right now a lot

00:05:19.580 of vertical like soap operas they're like on instagram people get ads for them sometimes but

00:05:25.420 i do a lot of those i've done student films short films stuff like that and like you have a agent with

00:05:30.740 like a you have a talent agent or i'm in the process of getting a acting talent agent but i do have a

00:05:37.160 modeling talent agent because i've done that since i was about 10 so i've been in the entertainment

00:05:41.240 industry for and they tell you that for both modeling and yes modeling especially you're

00:05:45.180 never supposed to disclose age okay yeah i could see it a lit it seems like a bit more plausible for

00:05:52.880 modeling than acting but i don't know um i don't what i don't understand though if this was the case

00:06:01.160 why do we know like the exact date of birth of like the most famous models and actresses so a lot

00:06:07.640 of models will lie about their age until they get to stardom and then it doesn't really matter because

00:06:12.680 they won't get out of bed for less than a million so it's it really just depends on how big you are

00:06:20.000 okay what about you my name is andrea johnson i am 34 and i am from southern california

00:06:29.700 and my occupation i am a marketing director okay all right what about you i am mary grace

00:06:37.680 langhorne i'm 23 i'm from santa barbara california and i'm a surgical assistant okay cool what kind of

00:06:48.840 uh like you work with a specific surgeon or i work in a pain management practice so typically we have

00:06:56.740 like five surgeons okay we know them pretty well and they're the same surgeries orthopedic

00:07:02.800 surgeries kind of like spinal cord stimulators okay but you're not like doing like gastrointestinal

00:07:09.480 no no it's like spine spinal me i see okay cool what about you hi i'm kayla hardy i'm 25 and i'm in

00:07:17.700 malibu and i'm a fashion model all right welcome what about you hi my name is ton j i'm 26 and i'm a

00:07:24.420 singer songwriter and an actress and i'm from la all right what about you hi my name is syna lee

00:07:31.240 barrett um i am a waitress and a barista i work two jobs um i also go to school for

00:07:38.640 my bachelor's in science nutrition all right did you and uh where are you from did you say where you're

00:07:44.640 from i'm from ohio okay and did you sorry i missed this age i'm 25 25 all right what about you

00:07:51.860 what's going on my name is eric hutchins aka illa aka illa sophoku um you can find me on youtube

00:07:58.900 and instagram i do social commentary i'm a full-time project management quality construction

00:08:05.000 manager um i work with uh fiber optics but on the side i also do content um peace to everybody in the

00:08:11.980 chat all right uh age 39 39 and where are you from originally from newark new jersey by way of

00:08:19.020 charlotte north carolina all right welcome everybody uh oh brian brian atlas 35 owner host whatever

00:08:28.080 podcast over there washed up has been youtuber uh andrew what about you yeah my name is andrew wilson

00:08:36.820 i am the host of the crucible it's a popular entertainment channel on youtube i'm a political

00:08:41.400 analyst political satirist and occasionally like to get into conversations and debates with people

00:08:46.920 all right welcome everybody so we're going to go around the actually wait before we get into

00:08:51.560 relationship status uh educational background so college i went to college but i dropped out during

00:08:59.240 covid okay yeah all right so you did some undergrad yeah i went for social work okay yeah what about you

00:09:06.000 um i did like a conservatory program through nyfa but no like real college okay what about you i have

00:09:12.300 my master's in business administration okay and what about bachelors uh bachelors in psychology in

00:09:18.200 psychology okay all right what about you i have an aa a bachelor's and a in a vocational degree for

00:09:25.780 surgical what were they in aa was in music vocal performance and then bachelor's in biomedical science

00:09:31.900 all right what about you i have a bachelor's in journalism and an associate's in theater

00:09:36.560 okay cool i have a master's in marketing and a bachelor's in computer science cyber security oh

00:09:43.280 interesting okay um i graduate in six months with my bachelor's in science nutrition

00:09:49.060 okay very cool and then any school for you or i didn't go to college um i got certified in hvac and

00:09:56.480 i work in like uh i work with children i'm a paraprofessional as well but um no i didn't

00:10:02.180 attend college okay all right cool and uh a couple of you are singers who's a singer singer you sing

00:10:12.340 do you that's it you don't want me to say you don't want me to say you don't want me to say

00:10:16.440 like you don't want me to say you're a singer right let's hear something okay um let's see

00:10:21.860 you're so on the spot

00:10:24.440 you played around and this is not the time to take my heart and toss it on the ground

00:10:36.440 you said you'd stop okay what you got what you got not that i do not got that okay um okay fine

00:10:47.320 and i wish you the best for the rest of my life felt sorry for you when i told you a lie

00:11:03.100 it wasn't for sure very cool very cool all right uh so going around the table what's everybody's

00:11:19.760 current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship married friends with

00:11:25.520 whatever it is uh if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship

00:11:29.500 you've ever been in starting with you i'm currently single i don't know if i'm talking to someone if

00:11:34.120 that makes sense it's just we're in the middle of that but um my longest relationship was three years

00:11:39.880 and i have been single for almost two years now okay and a half two years yeah all right what about

00:11:48.360 you um i am currently in a committed relationship and my longest relationship was seven years

00:11:54.120 all right is that the current yes relationship okay i see okay all right going back to you really

00:12:00.500 quick uh you've been single for two years but in that two-year period like what's the longest period

00:12:04.940 of time you were dating a guy maybe a month one month yeah maybe all right i'm quick to like if i

00:12:14.900 don't if you're not up to my standard now out of here not up to your standard yeah i don't even ask

00:12:20.040 for a lot in my opinion but what do you ask for to have a job job to have a car car an apartment

00:12:26.540 apartment can you meet your needs i'm not meeting their needs okay if i'm meeting my own needs

00:12:31.480 you gotta meet your needs all right and uh so when's the last time you went on a date

00:12:38.200 or probably like two weeks ago two weeks ago yeah was it the first date yeah second second date yeah

00:12:47.980 yeah is there going to be a third date i think so but we're doing this thing where he asked me to

00:12:57.260 hang out and it was like a four-hour period and i was like well i'm not going to be rushed like i'm

00:13:00.860 just going to go another day because i live kind of far from him and then he asked me this week but

00:13:05.440 i was coming here and like just tried to squeeze me in and then he's texting me while i've been here

00:13:09.060 but i just i'm like okay we'll see what happens i guess like all right okay what about you

00:13:15.920 i am currently single uh but i am talking to someone and my longest relationship was seven

00:13:23.340 ish years and uh how long are you did you say how long you've been single uh no sorry i've been

00:13:30.580 single for a year and a half so the seven-year relationship is that the one that ended a year

00:13:36.200 and a half ago no okay um in the seven-year relationship who broke up with who uh i broke

00:13:44.240 up with my ex yeah okay and how long was the relationship that was a year and a half ago

00:13:50.500 a month a month okay who broke up with who i broke up with them okay and you said you're

00:13:57.860 currently talking to someone yes how long have you been talking to said individual uh off and on for a

00:14:04.800 year off what do you mean off and on for a year uh we started talking last year we met on tinder and

00:14:10.600 then fell off and started talking again um and if i recall from your notes you're bisexual is that

00:14:16.300 correct orientation i i consider myself a lesbian but i i've dated men are you currently dating no i'm

00:14:24.440 dating or talking to a woman talking to a woman your seven-year relationship was that a man or a woman

00:14:29.080 a man okay when did that end 2019 18 okay were you a lesbian during the course of your relationship

00:14:39.980 with a male he knew that i liked women i was attracted to women but i wasn't out yet okay i see um

00:14:47.960 so you're is there a possibility you'll ever date a guy again or is that a hard no there is a

00:14:56.140 possibility but they have to be my standards are so much higher for men than they are interesting

00:15:02.780 we'll go into that but um so did your seven-year relationship did he turn you into a lesbian

00:15:07.900 no i've always been attracted to okay well maybe you were bi before but the relationship was so bad

00:15:16.180 i don't think i'm swearing off man no he was swearing them off he was great he was great just okay

00:15:22.720 all right didn't work okay um huh so you said your standards are higher for men yes versus women and

00:15:34.200 you i mean now you're only dating women but uh so what's the difference women just have to exist

00:15:42.460 unfortunately men they need to buy me flowers they have to be courteous they

00:15:52.620 have to take me on nice dates but i'll treat the woman like no standards sadly okay what else does

00:16:01.740 the guy have to do what else uh he has to be kind he has to be funny he has to keep me entertained i

00:16:11.560 don't i don't know just and women don't have to do that like women can be like boring as fuck

00:16:16.560 possibly so kind of like how men have to act basically wait what do you mean well you're

00:16:25.100 saying like you're like the expectations that you have on women kind of mirror the expectations

00:16:31.440 that straight men have when it comes to women oh maybe right well you said the guy has to do xyz

00:16:39.400 yeah it's gonna be interesting and entertaining yeah but a girl i even anticipate when i'm dating a

00:16:44.360 girl she's gonna be boring as fuck is that what you're saying no no no i don't anticipate them

00:16:48.600 to be boring no or well but you said like the guy has to be entertaining or whatever yeah it's just

00:16:53.740 that like the quality of i'm gonna sound horrible the quality of guy has to just be like up here

00:17:01.200 versus the woman like uh they're just beautiful like look at all these ladies okay they just have

00:17:08.480 to exist they just have to exist which girl at the table here would you like most i'm talking to

00:17:14.360 someone so i'm not going to answer that you said you're single yes it's on it's it's on it's off um

00:17:22.620 when's the last time you hung out with this individual um actually they live in a different

00:17:28.400 country so oh it's long distance yes which country colombia colombia you like those latin american

00:17:36.360 women huh yes okay she is she a fiery latina or what uh i wouldn't consider her fiery oh okay

00:17:47.880 she's like a mellow yeah she's she's she's like kind of like me she's chill she's chill yeah um

00:17:56.460 so do you think this is i think she might be using you for a green card

00:18:00.980 like i think she's using you you should probably break up with her i don't think so just kidding

00:18:07.220 uh so okay wait so okay um how many times have you guys hung out in person uh once one time in person

00:18:15.500 when was this when you met yes like a year ago was she visiting no i was visiting i i oh colombia

00:18:25.500 i stayed there for five months oh okay so you guys were seeing each other but you only hung out

00:18:32.840 in person one time so you met her before you left basically yeah like a day a week before you left

00:18:38.860 or some shit yeah what did you guys do nothing i was good uh-huh sure um

00:18:48.520 are we allowed to ask questions whenever sorry to interrupt yeah you can ask a question go ahead

00:18:54.820 oh um no i wasn't i was just asking right now if i didn't have a question i did but

00:19:02.640 now it's on the spot what do you mean now just ask the question go ahead

00:19:06.440 um no it's okay no go for it i don't mind how do you know like she will be worth it um after only

00:19:14.680 seeing her for one time and for that long you know that you're waiting that long um how do you

00:19:20.740 know if she's like worth it or not you know i mean i guess how do you know anyone is worth it like we

00:19:26.060 talk every day we have great conversation she makes me laugh you talk every day yeah oh okay do you see

00:19:33.140 like a future with her as well yeah i do i think there's a possibility for a future

00:19:39.720 um are there any plans for her to come visit or you to go back or it's harder for her to come here

00:19:49.360 than it is for me to go there just because of like visa situations and things like wait so um so this

00:19:56.640 was like a year ago you last saw her when did you last see her uh like in december 2023

00:20:04.360 february well it wasn't a full year it was like february of this year

00:20:09.280 um wait hold on i've i have a couple questions here have you dated anybody else during this time

00:20:18.540 period no okay so you guys are monogamous i've talked to other people yes because we stopped

00:20:24.620 talking for a while and then oh so there's a break okay why um i thought she was talking to someone

00:20:32.320 else and like seeing someone else and then we just i don't know i'm the type of person if i think

00:20:39.100 someone's up to something i'm just like i'm done when was the break uh like in june okay so you guys

00:20:46.220 are monogamous i mean i don't know if she is she might be talking to someone else i don't know

00:20:51.360 are you we haven't had a conversation i'm not talking to anyone else okay is this a fulfilling

00:20:57.400 relationship for you at the moment okay the distance isn't a problem the distance is a

00:21:05.000 problem okay um but we'll see how it goes and then uh unrelated to this current woman kind of

00:21:12.240 do you want to get married have kids um i definitely want to get married i don't know if i want kids

00:21:17.680 okay um huh it's complicated interesting it's like met somebody once and then talk every day

00:21:32.760 but you you should date a prisoner i feel like it's kind of the same no you know there's a lot of like

00:21:41.340 lesbian women in prison i think but she's not a criminal that's that i know of you're like well

00:21:47.100 i forgot about that part that part okay well uh all right because okay i do have some standards they

00:21:53.580 can't be criminals sure they have to be kind reasonable i'm a little confused though you said

00:21:57.900 you were single right but you're not really single right because if like let's say some like hot

00:22:03.000 mamacita approached you or whatever

00:22:05.340 that used to be my screen name really hot mamacita remember remember am 420 no it was 09

00:22:15.960 like elementary so okay some like you're you're at the trader joe's or doing pilates or some shit

00:22:23.200 and like some hot mamacita steps and it's like what's up i want to do things to you

00:22:32.440 that's the go-to pickup line for lesbian relationships obviously uh

00:22:38.620 are you gonna turn them down

00:22:42.060 i don't know

00:22:47.200 you don't know

00:22:48.160 shit okay all right well wait how did you suspect that she was unfaithful like through long distance

00:22:54.720 uh an instagram post i mean we weren't together or anything so it's not like she was unfaithful

00:23:02.340 i'm the type of person if like we haven't disclosed that we're not seeing other people

00:23:06.800 then i can't say that she's was unfaithful we were just on a talking stage so

00:23:13.560 okay all right uh what about you relationship status i am i'm single okay as of six weeks ago

00:23:21.540 okay six weeks my longest relationship was three and a half years is that the one that ended six

00:23:28.500 weeks absolutely not uh in the three and a half year relationship who broke up with who

00:23:32.460 my my ex broke up with you he broke up with me yes and then the six weeks ago how long was that

00:23:39.480 relationship a year and a half who broke up with who his mother broke up with me yeah it was hot

00:23:44.960 thank you good good times amazing uh why did his mom dump you yeah why were you also dating his mom

00:23:52.680 you know my sister's a lesbian and she kind of hooked us up should have been my first red flag

00:23:59.280 to not get involved your sister hooked you up with a guy yes but my sister was trying to

00:24:07.320 get with the mom so that's crazy yeah so then i actually befriended the mom because i wanted to

00:24:20.660 get with the son and my sister befriended the son because she was trying to get with the mom

00:24:25.780 anyway long story short i ended up moving to new york for him because i was totally infatuated because

00:24:32.720 he was a latin lover and yeah anywho totally delusional um okay nice yeah his mom had a

00:24:42.800 restraining order over him to control him and i didn't know until i moved to new york wait a

00:24:48.620 restraining order yeah it was like super to control him yeah it turns out domestic violence just

00:24:56.680 dysfunction wait are you sure it was a restraining order 100 that i saw the po they came yeah so it

00:25:06.380 wasn't to control him right no it was she admitted to it were they living together at some point yes

00:25:16.900 because there's like if he's like mentally incompetent that's my type that no but like

00:25:23.720 it wouldn't be a restraining order unless i'm just misunderstanding she stated that her son tried

00:25:30.820 to kill her she later acknowledged that it was false but you can't and say that you can't unsay

00:25:39.240 that when there's their papers drawn up and what tell what's the story of the attempted murder the

00:25:45.940 attempted murder supposedly he he thought his mother hated him and supposedly it's very complicated but

00:25:59.540 he claimed you just want me out of your life so what is it going to take write me a check and i will

00:26:04.920 never see you again basically he thought his mother hated him and the mom is screaming my son's trying to

00:26:11.120 kill me and take all my money and she shouted out of the window in carpenteria which is right near here

00:26:17.780 a super small beach town help my son's trying to kill me and they called the cops and yeah yeah

00:26:26.100 yeah and at this time you know he did put his head through a few walls

00:26:33.280 no i didn't know this until i was already involved with him okay yeah wow so he what he didn't actually

00:26:46.880 do that though honestly i think they're both liars the door damien they're both i think they're both

00:26:52.240 absolutely crazy huh the mom is trying to take me to court right now why is she trying to take you

00:26:58.220 she's saying i owe her ten thousand dollars for taking care of her son what do you mean thank you

00:27:04.820 lewis okay so i moved to new york to go to school and be with him obviously she kind of gave her

00:27:13.880 blessing and she was like i support you i love you for my son and i love your family and we're super

00:27:21.060 dysfunctional and love each other um i end up flying to new york no sooner than yes um there is

00:27:31.140 yeah he ended up seeing his mom text me something having to do with her her other son her stepson his

00:27:40.760 stepbrother and he got super jealous flipped out and threatened his mom on an email saying i want

00:27:49.580 nothing to do with you you've been warned i'm done with this toxic relationship with you leave me

00:27:54.860 alone now what i didn't know at the time was she had an active restraining order against him so that

00:28:01.800 was a threat and i didn't know this until i moved so she ended up reporting it to his probation officer

00:28:11.380 and then he was in violation of his probation so then she cut him off and i ended up taking care of

00:28:18.360 him for like a year and a half wait when so okay you say you i'm gonna try to move this forward as

00:28:24.460 quickly as i can you said you there's a probation officer okay what crime was he convicted of uh

00:28:29.860 domestic domestic violence okay but she later recanted and said that it was false not in court

00:28:35.280 privately okay to friends all right and part of the restraint uh part of the conviction entails a

00:28:42.480 restraining order correct okay so it's not just a civil restraining order it's a criminal restraining

00:28:46.900 order correct um what does that have to do with you pertaining to the lawsuit oh i under what legal

00:28:54.680 claim would she sue you for ten thousand dollars she ended up paying for three months of our rent

00:29:00.940 a year down the line recently because did you have a lease i did not no lease it was but she was paying

00:29:08.140 for the rent she gave our landlord three months of rent because she felt really bad that i had been

00:29:13.800 financially supporting her son okay for the past year are there any text messages or contracts

00:29:20.360 between you two that would indicate that you're going to pay her back for this money not a contract

00:29:24.240 i did text that i wanted to pay her back because i probably establishes it exactly yeah liability to

00:29:31.580 some degree yeah yeah you probably shouldn't have said that yeah she can probably have you been served

00:29:38.400 you know that's why i dyed my hair and moved town so you actually need to be you need to be served and

00:29:46.660 if you don't know where i live and you don't know what i look well so is she threatening to file an

00:29:51.300 action or did she file an action she threatened it how long ago two weeks ago it's gonna be difficult

00:29:59.000 she's in new york she's in carp actually okay well um okay you could be anyways well i'm gonna

00:30:07.780 awesome dating podcast not legal podcast but yeah there could be you you might be on the hook for

00:30:12.440 some rent but yeah okay anyways but there gonna be a server processor outside your uh studio tonight

00:30:18.340 probably she's gonna get served right here along with me with my own litigation matters uh what about

00:30:24.420 you so i am in a committed relationship and it's been three years sure he's 15 years older than me

00:30:31.640 all right and my longest relationship is four years all right so he's the one previous 40 and

00:30:38.380 you're 25 yep okay and sorry your previous relationship was four years yeah three or four

00:30:43.380 years four years yeah and that was the longest yeah and your current one's three years yep who broke

00:30:47.540 up with who in the four-year relationship me okay and i was living with him all right was he also also

00:30:53.360 age gap relationship yeah he was six years older than me yeah all right uh and then how did you

00:30:58.840 meet your current guy um he's a photographer and he hired me as a model for craigslist a gig

00:31:04.040 no okay no not craigslist wait so you you go do the photography gig and then he's like he's an

00:31:11.200 automotive photographer so he hired me as like a host spokesmodel okay for a car show yeah cool

00:31:16.400 like big name photographer yeah porsche is his biggest client all the billboards in los angeles are

00:31:21.400 his photos yeah very cool what about you um i'm single my longest relationship was um three years

00:31:28.700 all right um what was the other question how long you've been single for um since 2021 the end of 2021

00:31:35.920 three years yeah uh and then who broke up through in your three-year relationship um he actually passed

00:31:41.040 away oh uh you're a widow then correct yes okay were you married i was oh you were married okay

00:31:48.620 was that the relationship that ended well three years ago yes correct no i'm sorry to hear that

00:31:53.920 sorry to hear that thank you um have you been have you dated since at all or i actually went on a date

00:31:59.280 yesterday or last night and i'm going on another one tonight after this wow okay so so yeah yeah kind

00:32:08.040 of starting uh how long uh or the one yesterday was it your first date since really correct all right

00:32:15.300 you're just then you got a second date already okay all right it's a different guy so it's a different

00:32:21.260 guy yeah yeah just casually you know what's out there all right what about you um i'm currently

00:32:27.260 in the talking stage with somebody and my longest relationship is a year i would say a little over a

00:32:34.760 year longest relationship a little over a year how long have you been in the talking stage with this

00:32:40.260 new guy um we actually just established that before i came here it's been about a month one month he's

00:32:47.120 is it long distance or same city nope um we actually uh we went to the same school together and then i had

00:32:54.420 moved schools um we actually the person i'm talking to uh he was like my it sounds silly but he was like

00:33:02.480 my first love in like fourth grade and he was in sixth grade um and then we kind of just like found

00:33:08.320 each other again and he ended up living only eight minutes away so then we just kind of started when

00:33:13.320 you say kind of sort of found each other again what do you mean you slid into his dms or this is funny

00:33:21.260 um so he actually had messaged me about like once a year up until yeah like recently and then finally

00:33:32.800 this recent time that he had messaged me it was actually about um the hurricanes in florida because

00:33:38.200 i have family in florida and he had asked me about how my family was doing um i would say like every

00:33:44.500 year up until then he would message me uh i would either be in a relationship he wouldn't say anything like

00:33:50.220 too forward but he would always be there in my dms yeah but it was just kind of bad timing because

00:33:58.720 every single time you would have something else going on well it's funny back in like fourth grade

00:34:05.120 i would say fourth fifth grade uh i heard rumors about him and i just never looked his way since

00:34:11.140 and i never gave him like more chances after what was the rumor i honestly forget it was been such a long

00:34:18.300 time ago but um i just remember being at like a fifth grade dance and hearing about it i think he

00:34:25.200 or was it the sixth grade dance it's been like four fourth you said he was your like childhood crush

00:34:31.640 slash love like or how did you describe it yeah i guess so okay so i was you remember what it is what

00:34:38.400 is it i was in fourth grade he was in sixth grade and then for two years we were kind of you know back

00:34:44.800 and forth um so then the last time i think i heard a rumor and i think he was like on the eighth grade

00:34:50.780 dc trip i don't know if you guys know what that is but our high school takes a trip um our eighth grade

00:34:56.820 year to dc yeah what's the rumor the rumor was that i really forget that he talked to somebody else he

00:35:05.780 flirted with somebody else um but i was also in fourth grade and he was in oh no i was in sixth grade at

00:35:11.800 the time and he was in eighth grade so it was something along the lines of him talking to

00:35:17.380 somebody else yes but it was very looked down upon because he was two years older um and my parents

00:35:25.340 are very like well my grandparents i was adopted by my grandparents um they had a lot of strict

00:35:30.520 morals and something that comes specifically to my mind on why we stopped talking as well i was kind of

00:35:38.060 forced to stop talking to him so not only was the rumor the thing but i was also forced by my

00:35:43.960 grandparents to stop talking to him because he posted something on facebook and it was a cuss word

00:35:49.740 that he had reposted didn't even type it himself but um that's just how strict my grandparents are as

00:35:56.020 well is that i i'm so far removed from like elementary school like

00:36:02.720 that is kind of like for an eighth grader is that kind of weird for an eighth grader to

00:36:09.900 be dating a sixth grader i mean at the time it feels a bit weird a little

00:36:14.620 but like okay sixth grader dating a fourth grade i don't know i wasn't i didn't start dating till

00:36:20.920 like high school i say well eighth eighth and sixth is still middle school so they're all middle schoolers

00:36:25.940 right yes so i was there's three schools there's like an elementary a middle school and a high school

00:36:31.460 and um during that time he was in the high school uh yeah he was in the high school you did a

00:36:39.600 eighth through 12th grade high school yes yeah okay i see yeah that's uh that doesn't sound great

00:36:46.780 yeah they showed the eighth graders in there it's a pretty small school uh but in any case you guys

00:36:53.220 he was sliding into the dms every single year you're finally single now you guys are in a talking

00:37:00.480 stage yes uh but uh i mean

00:37:07.060 sorry i lost my train you're in a talking stage we've been talking for a month yes okay is it you

00:37:17.700 guys you think it's gonna go further or i do i do yeah okay this guy seems like he's super into you

00:37:25.340 why is it has he not like asked you to be his girlfriend um i think he's just kind of waiting

00:37:32.120 on me to say like to date or not with me it kind of takes time to really get to know somebody i feel

00:37:38.860 like in this um modern dating society you don't really know someone until you start living with

00:37:43.420 them or spending a lot of time with them um yeah i mean you guys known each other for like but we

00:37:50.080 didn't see each other over a decade we did not see each other in between that's fine yeah all right

00:37:55.060 uh what about you relationship status um well i'm single right now um i was my longest relationship

00:38:01.220 was when i was married i got married really young like 22 23 i was on with her for like six years

00:38:06.800 and then i was with someone about two years after that for about another six years

00:38:12.900 and i kind of just been um i went through my little phase where i just you know focused on

00:38:17.860 work now i'm just you know window shopping i'm not really uh talking anybody too seriously i'm just

00:38:23.940 you know checking out the the uh the discount rack and see what's going on you know i mean you know

00:38:30.660 i'm trying not to what's going on yeah just see what's going on out there i'm not i'm not really

00:38:34.360 involved in anybody seriously right now just getting to know people that's why sure i guess you're in the

00:38:38.500 right place girthquake donated two hundred dollars what happened to madison oh okay uh i mean i already

00:38:45.520 addressed it but um uh like two months ago a month ago she resigned no bad blood anything like that

00:38:52.260 uh business you know people move on switch jobs circumstances change uh it's good working with her

00:38:59.500 but uh i was too mean to her andrew was too mean to her yeah uh if she ever wants to come back the

00:39:06.100 doors open and um and look if you guys really want her back you can you can let her know dm or

00:39:10.940 whatever doors open back by popular demand madison um but yeah so um and then we had one coming

00:39:17.920 through here uh much duke gloctavius there donated two hundred dollars brian looking forward to playing

00:39:27.240 world of warcraft classic fresh with you i sent in my application on the discord lfg yo thank you

00:39:34.880 gloctavius i'll take a look guys so discord.gg slash whatever if y'all want to come play world

00:39:39.840 of warcraft with uh me and andrew wilson andrew you're going to play mage right uh yeah i think

00:39:47.260 i'm going to do a mage for sure yeah but and it's still it's still not a hundred percent if we're going

00:39:52.700 to do this i got to see if i have time there's a lot going on but uh we'll see the interest in the

00:39:59.080 guild and it's what i did years ago it was a horde mage a troll mage oh nice there you go you

00:40:05.420 got to go on dead though i think i think you gotta go troll okay all right yeah actually i think like

00:40:12.640 for pve troll is probably for mage i think is better because like the like minimally though because like

00:40:22.220 the passive racial you get the casting speed increase or whatever okay whatever the haste thing

00:40:27.980 i forgot what it's called exactly all right so um we're going to uh do a three reacts we've been

00:40:33.820 need to get these done uh first we have a video from you that went really viral damian can you pull

00:40:38.900 that up while he's getting that pulled up quick question for you i think i already asked this uh

00:40:44.620 you said you've been single for two years your last date though was two weeks ago you said yeah a few

00:40:48.580 weeks ago but a lot of the dates like in between from my last relationship i didn't really take

00:40:53.120 seriously because i was like you know just not there yet okay um now i'm like same thing kind

00:40:57.860 of window shopping just seeing what's out there whatever comes comes sure damian all right we're

00:41:03.700 gonna play the clip uh there is gonna be audio it's the instagram clip uh make it one bigger if you

00:41:13.080 can so guys watch the clip we're gonna get your reaction to this uh this segment go ahead

00:41:18.340 i said women don't like dudes who got their own who don't need them they rather deal with men

00:41:28.400 who are not that intellectually aggressive who gonna let them say what they want right and do what they

00:41:34.700 want they rather deal with a man like not saying you like that but most women out here don't want to

00:41:39.620 deal with a man who's gonna say baby now don't wear that now baby don't talk like that they don't

00:41:43.860 really want to deal with that they rather do to do let them say and do whatever they want to do and

00:41:47.660 they think if a man be a man he's toxic so my question was do you fuck with a real woman let me

00:41:55.220 answer that question and the reason why i asked okay is because if you fuck with a real woman

00:41:59.760 she's going to agree with you hey maybe i shouldn't step outside wearing this

00:42:03.940 respect that baby nasty ass shit let me answer that this is the problem the real woman is standing

00:42:09.960 too close to the hose so we don't know the difference until we start talking to y'all

00:42:13.400 no no listen listen i met a lot of women it don't mean i don't care if they from the hood

00:42:19.140 i don't care if they from they got two parents their interests are the same it's like right now right

00:42:24.960 if you see 10 lions coming down the street are you going to try to figure out which line going

00:42:28.840 bite your ass or not you're gonna be like them 10 lions so unfortunately the real woman agree with

00:42:34.800 too much shit that these holes was on so we don't know the fucking difference

00:42:38.080 okay so um i think the key points there just to kind of perhaps help prompt this for the panel

00:42:47.880 is uh you don't want a girl to dress revealing right is that and then what was the other one

00:42:56.160 like going out to bars i feel like the interest the interest oh into the mic i'm sorry the interests

00:43:00.420 are the same so it's like you know it's not necessarily controlling or having just looking

00:43:05.160 like a certain type of woman it's their interest it's the music they listen to it's their attitudes

00:43:09.660 it's their perspectives it's their you know outlook on life seems to be too similar to women that are not

00:43:16.500 in their league so it's not like because people say oh you should talk to different type of women

00:43:20.800 or deal with women in a different area as if they're not everywhere you can find a woman

00:43:25.960 i know women that are in corporate america that's dealing with guys that are criminals i know it

00:43:30.620 doesn't matter their lifestyle they still seem to deal with the same type of guys they still seem

00:43:34.880 to have the same type of perspectives regardless of their upbringing regardless of their education

00:43:38.900 they still seem to come to the same conclusion with other women and it seems like when a man is

00:43:43.500 more assertive a little more objective a little more uh protective of their image they seem like

00:43:49.240 he's insecure or he's he's being he's controlling when this he's really protecting you from

00:43:53.600 the world it's not about hey you're mine you can't do anything but why would your man want you

00:43:59.100 to be online with your body exposed what type of man would want that why a lot of women say oh men

00:44:04.380 are they're not traditional they're not courting anymore why would i court a woman who's already

00:44:08.600 exposed you court a woman to discover something that's not easily exposed to people so if your

00:44:14.140 body is exposed online why would i court that why would i take out the time to treat you differently

00:44:18.940 when all i got to do is just go on your instagram and i can see your whole body so why would a man

00:44:23.360 traditionally deal with a woman who's not even moving traditionally so that was the perspective

00:44:27.440 of that video okay now i did notice that you brought up uh lions the 10 lions thing uh but that was a

00:44:34.560 hypothetical and i was just wondering if you're aware that hypotheticals are hypocritical

00:44:37.940 i just oh um say say that again how that hypotheticals are hypocritical how so oh i mean i just i heard

00:44:47.440 that on an alpha male podcast i just wondered if you'd ever heard that before no i've never heard that

00:44:52.500 no yeah okay

00:44:53.860 wait what i don't know oh is that

00:45:01.520 oh i don't know

00:45:04.560 yes yeah yeah like what are we answering right now okay so we watched the video yeah your reaction

00:45:18.520 to the video i'll go first i was gonna say i feel like when you say all women you could flip that and

00:45:25.800 say all men like you know what i'm saying like to say that every woman agrees with every woman

00:45:31.280 is kind of crazy because i guarantee that we don't agree on everything like sitting here you

00:45:36.140 know what i'm saying but that's why i said in the video i said it's um not all so i said a lot you

00:45:42.180 know what i'm saying so it's definitely it's never all it's never all of anybody no one is that's just

00:45:46.360 ridiculous but a lot of women there's a lot of women that agree with this liberal i can wear what i

00:45:52.220 want to wear and if he has a problem with it it's his problem it's like okay cool but that doesn't

00:45:57.120 work in the real world you know if you want to go out it's like a man if i'm coming outside with

00:46:00.860 money hanging out my pockets jewelry dripping all over me can i really get upset when a woman

00:46:06.660 looks at me for just finances or look at me just as a provider i'm sending mixed messages so it's

00:46:13.300 like if you want the traditional man if you want this protection if you want this leadership

00:46:16.780 what's wrong with coming out with a modest approach now we know it's a new time so women

00:46:20.980 are a lot more liberated than before so you're not going to be grandma but it's a little extreme

00:46:26.780 these days and to try to figure out which woman is going to be the right woman for you picking from

00:46:32.340 the visuals the interest in music the interest in talking points is a little difficult you know

00:46:37.880 what i'm saying that's why a lot of men are looking elsewhere like like you have miss like you you're

00:46:42.700 looking overseas it's like sound like what the passport bros are doing you know i'm saying a lot of

00:46:46.300 people guys are looking at other races of women other genders i'm not genders but other nationalities

00:46:50.900 of women because it seems like in america traditional manhood i feel like the modern woman

00:46:56.460 have been programmed into being incompatible with a man's nature so like a man has to fight his nature

00:47:03.620 just to deal with the woman and that's just not realistic i would say women would do the same right

00:47:08.640 now though like we are fighting our own feminine energy and asking acting masculine also in this

00:47:14.560 generation like i basically took care of a man like he just quit his job and i had to take care of

00:47:18.740 everything but i a lot of the men and it might be just the men that i'm attracting but a lot of men

00:47:23.980 that i like end up talking to they just can't even provide for themselves and i feel like everything

00:47:29.280 is just kind of flipped right now if that makes sense like everything is just flipped i agree but

00:47:34.800 this is the issue that i realized a lot of women a lot like i noticed like i have a friend of mine she's

00:47:39.620 talking about how a lot of the women's uh homicides are coming from their mates and they're coming from

00:47:45.460 the men that they're with just the issue with that a lot of men that are dealing with women today

00:47:51.120 are very passive and what they do is they suppress their natural instincts just to deal with the

00:47:57.400 woman and then they snap because they've been fronting for so long and it's oh yeah baby i'll do that

00:48:02.500 yeah just telling you what you want to hear for so long that one day they just go crazy because women

00:48:07.300 are avoiding men who are objective from the beginning so they end up with guys that they got to take care

00:48:12.560 of because the guy that you don't have to take care of he's going to tell you he's not going to

00:48:15.620 tell you what you want to hear so you end up with the guy that will tell you what you want to hear

00:48:18.760 but you also got to take care of not saying you have yeah i'm saying that happens a lot okay all

00:48:23.280 right uh so any reactions to the original clip from any other panels panelists here i would disagree

00:48:30.860 with the statement okay um i would say that mostly because my longest healthiest relationship that

00:48:37.420 i'm currently in i do modeling i do acting he's seen everything that that goes online sometimes i do

00:48:44.300 bikini shoots sometimes i have to do lingerie shoots sometimes i'm kissing a guy in a scene

00:48:49.020 sometimes there's a sex scene involved no actual sex happens just to be clear it's fake um and he's

00:48:56.880 very secure in our relationship he doesn't feel jealous he doesn't feel any type of way about it

00:49:02.380 and i think that comes down to nurture instead of nature so how he was raised by his mother is very

00:49:12.260 different than i think any other man that i've ever dated and the reason why he turned out the way he

00:49:16.740 did and the why the reason why he's okay with with me pursuing my career and it doesn't bother his

00:49:25.480 masculinity is because he's secure in our relationship because he had a perfect business model and that's

00:49:30.180 his parents so i one thing really quick um i mean you cited to your career i don't know if you give

00:49:37.660 a carve out i mean i think some men would still but you give a carve out like if if she's a model

00:49:43.300 that's that's different but it's like i think you're taught when you when you were in the clip when

00:49:47.760 you're talking about how they dress it's like they're going out to bars and clubs and like titties

00:49:52.500 out absolutely and what you're doing that's a profession so that comes with the profession you know

00:49:58.320 what i'm saying i'm pretty sure you had that profession before you met him these i'm talking

00:50:01.880 about women who work at cabaret and she got three two or three children or she's dating someone

00:50:06.440 already and she's just advertising her body just because just to pass the time and get likes

00:50:10.380 you're not getting paid for that that's that's like jay-z his wife is beyonce so she's going to

00:50:15.360 take some salacious pictures because that comes with her career that's a part of the industry she's in

00:50:19.700 so they have that established i'm talking about the average woman who just wants attention

00:50:23.480 and using her body to just get attention despite the demands or the request of her partner or

00:50:29.940 potential suitors that she would like that is not benefiting her like you're getting paid for that

00:50:35.000 you're getting contracts that you're getting offers for what you're doing these women are just showing

00:50:38.840 their body just to show it so my question is really really quick just to allow her a chance to respond

00:50:43.520 so i guess setting aside the uh the career component here do you still have a disagreement with his

00:50:50.540 position i think it's still valid and it's because your his position or your my position i think is

00:50:58.180 still valid because not every single person you meet on the street you're going to be compatible with

00:51:03.420 and we all have a different moral compass and there's not a wrong or right moral compass that being said

00:51:11.780 if you want someone who dresses modestly then go for someone who dresses modestly i think the real

00:51:18.780 issue comes in when we're putting each other down for each other's wants and dislikes it's not there's

00:51:23.700 nothing wrong with you wanting something or her wanting something it comes when you want someone

00:51:29.840 because maybe how they look but you want to conform you want them to conform to what you believe you know

00:51:35.820 just find someone compatible for you i i respect that but what i'm saying is based on the complaints

00:51:41.140 i'm hearing from women in modern society where are the men at why are they not this why are they not that

00:51:45.720 well this is why so what i'm saying is you can do what you want to do because i don't i don't judge

00:51:50.500 my my thing is all about cause and effect results you can do whatever the hell you want but don't

00:51:58.680 complain when those results don't come back that you want so if you want to be liberated and show your

00:52:03.340 nipples and show your cleavage and the crack of your behind to total strangers online you are free to do

00:52:09.400 that but you're not free to complain about the lack of males and the lack of men who are able to

00:52:14.380 provide a certain lifestyle not wanting to deal with you that's my issue you can do what you want

00:52:19.620 to do but don't blame men that don't want to deal with that at the same time you can't have it all

00:52:24.460 you can't have it both ways in my opinion but you can do what you want to do your thoughts yeah yeah i

00:52:31.160 hear what both of you are saying and i really agree with what you're saying i also agree with what you

00:52:36.200 just said um but i think at the same time the same thing goes for the men who are complaining

00:52:42.260 about the women who are dressing provocatively like they need to take into account that there's

00:52:47.980 women who are dressing conservatively so they should just go for those women and you know they

00:52:53.560 shouldn't be complaining when they can't are they're on instagram and they're seeing these women who have

00:52:59.540 their nipples showing and i agree with that but that's why i said they standing too close because

00:53:04.320 when i say it's not just about the visuals it's the mindset so for example i know women that are

00:53:11.000 conservative visually but when they start talking you see what type of people they associate

00:53:16.540 themselves with the music they listen to the perspectives how they deal with other people

00:53:20.920 their character their decorum it's just like a woman who dresses salaciously so i'm what i'm talking

00:53:25.980 about is a energy a perspective the way you carry yourself not just how you look that's like kind

00:53:31.680 of low-hanging fruit i said that because you know people can grab grab and say towards that easily

00:53:35.720 but it's not just how they dress it's just how they move period you know what i'm saying we all know

00:53:40.420 you got a friend that's nothing like you but you you but you hang with her so if you got a chick

00:53:45.340 like me if i'm if i'm hanging with a dude that's a gang member i may not be but can i judge someone

00:53:50.120 who says well hey you seem cool but you with that guy so i don't know i could get in my feelings all

00:53:55.000 i want but like the bible say not to get religious but man look at the outward appearance people

00:53:59.740 people's natural instinct is to just judge what they see people are not going to take the time to

00:54:04.100 see through and see well maybe he's not quite like that his friends are murderer but he may

00:54:08.800 people got to survive people going to do what's instinctive to make them have give them a better

00:54:13.360 day tomorrow so they're not going to take the time to try to distinguish are you different from this

00:54:16.980 woman they're going to look at it and they're going to keep it moving especially in today's time where

00:54:20.660 just approaching a woman wrong could change your life you could you could talk to the wrong woman

00:54:25.520 say how you doing miss and she'll she'll get you you know restraining on all types of stuff like

00:54:29.980 i know a guy who recently just got a restraining on or put on him to the point where he had he got

00:54:34.620 fired from his job just because he told the woman that she no she's nice looking like

00:54:38.260 we live in these sensitive times so it's like if we're in these sensitive times you think this

00:54:42.520 the time to really come outside looking crazy you really think it's the time to really post on your

00:54:46.000 instagram looking super salacious i just don't think it's the right time for that in my personal

00:54:51.100 opinion i have a daughter you know i think that men say that they want a modest woman but they really

00:54:56.400 don't because you guys you'll like the the generation now has kind of shifted everyone was

00:55:04.480 wanting that kind of modest um kind of old school relationship right now social media is involved

00:55:12.480 people you know do only fans they do women do a lot of different things and you guys pay for that

00:55:18.680 so it's kind of pay for that well well you might but a large amount of men do and so

00:55:25.860 so you guys kind of attract and like those things so women have kind of shifted like even like with

00:55:33.420 bbls and different things like that now it's not a thing now people don't like it like men don't like

00:55:38.580 it so women are now getting it removed and different things so we're kind of shifting with

00:55:43.360 how you guys respond to what we're doing because i don't think that we like when we're respected when

00:55:48.600 we were modest like when we were doing you know staying at home cooking like you guys didn't respect

00:55:53.220 that so now i feel like everything is changing and now that we just want to be ourselves whatever

00:55:57.880 that may entail what yeah it's kind of a false premise isn't it i don't know about that you think

00:56:03.240 i'm sorry i'm sorry i just want to make sure that we're clear you think that women are respected more

00:56:07.120 now that more of them do sex work than before when they didn't do sex work no i'm not saying that

00:56:11.640 they're they're respected more but i'm saying that men men are men are eating that stuff up right now

00:56:20.260 and and it is slowly going away and we're slowly going back to kind of the modest now men you know

00:56:26.560 hey you need to cover up it's not only fans it's not great anymore you know different things like

00:56:30.980 that i think you guys don't realize like you guys do change and things do shift with what you guys like

00:56:37.740 as well it does shift i want to mention something too um i think both races feed into uh you know

00:56:45.420 stuff like that porn only fans i meant genders both races both genders feed into that type of stuff

00:56:53.440 because the guys buy it um they egg it on you know um and girls want to dress a certain way you know

00:57:00.340 to look a certain way for men to get men's validations um i i believe both genders just

00:57:07.600 play a role in that well we'll come right back to it kaiser donated two hundred dollars yeah thank

00:57:14.040 you kaiser wednesday was so bad brian brought only classy ladies on tonight how am i going to roast

00:57:20.000 this table later dude i'll have to roast the guys eric i'm from nj too the good part though not new

00:57:28.480 one you mean a soft pot yo kaiser thank you man nobody here does nobody here does only fans correct

00:57:35.440 no no or in the past no never done only fans shout out to y'all nobody okay hey no no only fans

00:57:42.460 girls on the panel there you go all right um you did you have more did you want to say one more thing

00:57:48.400 i'm sorry um i also think that whatever women like whatever they wear and put out is the type of

00:57:56.640 feedback and men of what they will get in return um if i'm posting you know half naked pictures all the

00:58:03.760 time i'm going to probably get nastier men if that makes sense um i feel like moderation uh and just

00:58:10.720 i feel like being more covered up is more sexier than um just having everyone see what you already

00:58:17.860 have um that's more of like a intimacy moment more in the bedroom uh more energy is put into the bedroom

00:58:27.280 as well instead of trying to get validation through different men not even your own partner

00:58:33.360 i will add um dressing more provocatively on instagram you attract more male followers rather

00:58:39.280 than women you know and like you were saying if we're living more masculine than feminine because

00:58:44.480 of the way we have to work and everything we're gonna want to maybe make money off of them and we

00:58:50.240 attract them i think that's it sorry i'm so sorry i think that's a discipline thing where that's just fast

00:58:55.360 money it's easy money um i'm out here a waitress and a barista working two jobs also going to school

00:59:02.960 full-time um i am living honestly i'm completely satisfied with my life i'm already okay with what

00:59:09.120 i have i think a lot of people um especially in today's moderate or today's society i think people

00:59:16.720 are just bored and they always want what's next what's better what's new instead of trying to

00:59:22.880 um go through situations with your partner and like last forever you know i agree do you guys tip

00:59:30.000 you more as a waitress uh they do yes um so it's kind of the same thing like guys 100 yes but i don't

00:59:37.040 dress or you know i don't dress a certain way i i work at a mexican restaurant it's a family restaurant

00:59:42.880 but i mean i think that's just the way that men are biologically made um you know they're you're going

00:59:49.120 to get tipped more if you're a pretty girl um if you're a handsome boy girls are going to tip you

00:59:54.320 more but i agree with everything you said to be quite honest because women cannot expect a traditional

01:00:00.880 archetype of a man what a man is and not act like an archetype of a female in that balanced dynamic in a

01:00:12.400 relationship so if that is what you desire which i i think it is that's what you've expressed you know

01:00:18.400 that's the dynamic that you look forward to i think it's completely valid to find a like-minded

01:00:26.640 individual that honors that but women cannot complain if they're going on instagram tits out

01:00:35.600 tongues out and saying like but why is nobody nobody's taking care of me my man isn't my my savior

01:00:42.080 my money maker it's not going to happen you can't have your cake and eat it too what about the

01:00:47.280 phenomenon of the chameleon so the chameleon being a woman who did all of that for many years or

01:00:54.480 something like this then puts on the sundress and then expects also to get that that archetype which

01:01:00.960 you're talking about the traditional male masculine archetype what are you guys's thoughts there

01:01:06.400 um well i had one other thought that i wanted to add to the previous statement and we're all

01:01:11.920 talking about what men like on a girl's instagram or girls put on a girl's instagram for men but i

01:01:21.200 think we're also neglecting what women put on instagram for other women so the amount of women

01:01:28.400 i am one of those girls who i get significant more validation if a girl comments on my post than what a guy

01:01:36.000 comments on my post and there's a difference between i think posting like maybe slightly revealing

01:01:45.120 but in through the female gaze versus male gaze and i don't think men understand that that dine like

01:01:53.120 the female gaze versus the male gaze but us girlies i think we understand the female gaze versus the male

01:01:58.320 gaze no i'm glad you said that because i think one of y'all was saying how i think you said how um

01:02:04.480 women are dressing a certain way for the men but like she said they're not they're a lot of women

01:02:10.960 are dressing for other women even on even like they say well i'm not or they're dressing like

01:02:14.960 that for themselves well i'm not dressing like this for you so it's like a lot of men don't want that

01:02:19.040 like they you see a lot of interviews where they go on the street and they ask men so what you like

01:02:22.880 weave or you like natural hair nine out of ten times men are going to say natural hair but women

01:02:27.760 think men want weave women think men want bbls and all that it's like they're not really listening to

01:02:32.960 men and the only men that they're listening to are men that's on television and in in these small

01:02:38.960 sectors of these guys that are athletes where you know they have exuberant amounts of money and

01:02:44.320 they're thinking that those guys appetite is the appetite of the everyday man and it's not and they

01:02:48.960 conflate the two because i feel like a lot of women are more in tune with um mainstream perspective

01:02:54.240 than real men's perspective and like you said women are dressing for other women they're not

01:02:59.760 even thinking about men but they still want those those men to honor them or look at them but they're

01:03:05.040 not taking into account the men's perspective at all but to talk on that note as well not every you

01:03:12.960 know you said oh like a a you compared us to like to lions like uh in a horde and i would say not every

01:03:22.240 single one of those lions wants to be hunted and so it's hard for you guys to find who who wants to

01:03:30.480 be in a relationship but some of us you know if i were to break up with my partner he was to break

01:03:35.920 up with me tomorrow i wouldn't be out looking for a new one that's just not my personality type if you

01:03:41.920 don't add anything to to my life then like substantial like whether that's joy laughter whatever

01:03:48.800 um i i don't need you there and i i'm so fulfilled in my life outside of my relationship that i think

01:03:56.560 for me a relationship can only add to it and so sometimes girls like we get our nails done for

01:04:02.240 other girls to compliment we don't always get our nails done for a guy to compliment they're not going

01:04:06.960 to notice if you highlighted your hair they're not going to notice if you got your nails done those tiny

01:04:11.200 little things are for the girls and a lot of women just are not interested and i'm and we know and

01:04:20.000 that's why men are acting the way they're acting because another thing i i think people don't

01:04:23.600 understand that this perspective of a lot of men are reflective of a certain age but i'm 39 so when we

01:04:31.200 speak because i feel like there's a my generation went to a specific um experience as far as dealing with

01:04:39.120 the opposite sex and it gets even more nuanced when when it comes to race and we're dealing with

01:04:44.720 women that are dealing with collateral damage of things that they really didn't have nothing to do

01:04:48.160 with men had to go through that too like when i was younger i'm tall i'm dark-skinned i got a deep voice

01:04:53.520 so it's easy for somebody to it's easy for me to deal with the collateral damage of people from my

01:04:58.240 neighborhood or people that may look at me and it's not it's not fair but it's reality so women are

01:05:03.520 dealing with the collateral damage of previous generations and what they did or how they carried

01:05:08.240 themselves so a lot of young women were like well i didn't do that they've grown up in a world where

01:05:12.240 feminism has already taken place control women and men so a lot of y'all may not have ever done

01:05:18.560 none of these things that we're talking about because from the conversation y'all seem like very

01:05:21.280 classy women like i appreciate your mind y'all cool but a lot of y'all dealing with stuff that your

01:05:26.640 your older generation did and the older men are saying we're not dealing with this anymore

01:05:31.440 because we've seen women say one thing and do something else and even when like you said when it

01:05:36.640 comes to hunting you said hunting alliance a lot of times it's not even about trying to get her to

01:05:40.880 be your girlfriend i've seen situations where women just people i think men and women don't know how to

01:05:46.880 just be friends anymore like every time a man is talking to you he's not trying to get your number

01:05:51.760 he's not trying to get he just passing the time like if i go to a lounge or something the music is

01:05:56.320 whack so it's not like nobody's dancing anymore so i'm gonna talk i've seen situations where i'll have

01:06:01.120 a nice conversation with a woman very classy just real light-hearted hey what you went to hey what you like to

01:06:05.840 eat oh i went there just like her friend will come oh you don't know him why you talking to him get

01:06:10.320 away from him and she'll say oh don't worry about her that type of thing you know what i'm saying it's

01:06:14.880 like if you want women to respect you respect them and stop assuming every man that's talking to you

01:06:21.440 is just trying to get into you don't know what people are going to do sometimes a man just to see

01:06:25.280 a pretty woman just want to have a conversation with her just to boost his day and he just go on

01:06:29.200 about it you ever i know women y'all went to went to clubs sometimes the man's a compliment you

01:06:33.040 guy gave you a drink and you never seen him again for the rest of the night men we do that we're not

01:06:36.960 just one track minor we cool we like to do stuff for you but this mentality of women it's just so

01:06:42.160 off-putting that i think by the time they really start to talk to men they're so turned off by not

01:06:46.800 necessarily what they've done but what their constituents have done i i completely understand

01:06:52.960 what you're saying i think from that perspective though it's like you can talk to me however and i'm

01:07:00.880 perfectly okay talking to a man and it not being like um a romantic situation or feeling threatened

01:07:09.600 but sometimes when we see our girls being talked to by a man we don't we don't know what the

01:07:13.920 conversation is we don't know what's going on between them and maybe you get a little heady first

01:07:19.760 because you're concerned for her because you never know you know there is the whole man and the bear

01:07:23.360 argument and you just never know but that but that but that's to me that's a problem because to me

01:07:28.800 that's a side effect of the assumed mentality of today that men are a threat to me i would like

01:07:35.520 to add i don't really think it's assumed only because like as women that's something like i

01:07:41.280 could say probably every woman at this table has been through so it's not really assumed it's just

01:07:45.280 like we genuinely have been through it ourselves so it's like it's not that we mean to be protective

01:07:50.160 but like it does happen so like we should protect each other you know it's never what you do

01:07:56.080 it's how you do it like in other words if i'm talking i'm sorry if i'm talking to my man if my

01:08:00.320 man is at the club right and he's talking to a woman and she and he looks comfortable he don't

01:08:05.200 seem i'm not going to say hey bro what are you doing get away from like that's weird if you see your

01:08:10.720 girl if she's not she's not being touched this is a public setting it's not like we're in someone's

01:08:16.160 house we're in a public setting there's security guards and she's talking to a man laughing and

01:08:21.920 being pleasurable you can just come by and say hey what y'all talking about now to come with your

01:08:26.640 your guns blazing that's something totally different well approach definitely talking about

01:08:30.640 clock blocking i want to say approach definitely matters but i do think that like that's something

01:08:35.760 i would never i was going to say i would never if i think something's wrong i would still say something

01:08:41.200 and i might not approach them like what are you doing because i also don't know like you might be

01:08:44.640 trying to date them i'm not trying to screw you up either but i do still feel like a girl should

01:08:49.200 definitely go protect the other girl yeah yeah but it's how you do it and but but the thing is

01:08:54.160 it's just assumed that something can go wrong yeah because if we're in the club we're sitting

01:08:58.000 this space between us i'm just talking towards you talking to me we grown no one's being hurt so

01:09:03.920 just to assume that i have to come and save for it's like it's like it's how you do it like the way

01:09:08.080 y'all explain it that's cool and i'm just checking on my because someone say that hey i'm cool i'm just

01:09:11.600 checking on my friend making sure she's good i understand sweetheart but some women come who is

01:09:15.280 this why you talking to him it's like why you gotta talk like see i feel like okay this is gonna

01:09:18.880 sound kind of mean um i feel like when women do that it's usually because they're jealous of them

01:09:22.960 other girl that they're talking to i don't really think it's necessarily like they're protecting them

01:09:27.440 they're actually just jealous that their friend has a man absolutely so it's always what it's never

01:09:31.920 to do is how you do it's all about how you go about it like attention it's everything agreed cool

01:09:36.880 donated two hundred dollars yeah thank you cool pretty tied the earlier about men curious to the music

01:09:42.160 women listens to makes sense when you think of it did we did that come up earlier he brought

01:09:49.360 up in the video in the video i said the movie is doing all that oh you want to say something

01:09:54.480 oh no i was just kind of going to piggyback off of what she said um just that you know as a woman

01:10:02.160 we have to take our safety into consideration so i i think it's really important to check on your

01:10:07.360 friend to check on yourself but i agree with what you said about it's about the tone and how you

01:10:12.080 approach it yeah because the more classy you women there's one thing i uh that women it seems like you

01:10:17.840 guys have figured it figured it out your femininity and your softness is a strength it's not a weakness

01:10:24.800 and i think a lot of time this modern um world has made women feel like being soft is is a weakness and

01:10:31.840 they try to replicate actual manly energy and call that feminism feminism to me should be something

01:10:38.720 where we stand up for being soft women to me that's feminism but when i hear a lot of women talk and

01:10:43.920 explain feminism it's like you just want to be a man there's nothing feminine about that at all so the

01:10:48.800 soft approach there's always weirdos there's always exception to the rule who takes that as just an

01:10:53.520 advance to just go crazy but most men will acquiesce to the softness of a woman and a lot of times if

01:11:00.160 women just keep that approach that's actually a superpower that they can use a lot more often

01:11:05.040 than they don't but it seems like y'all you you guys have mastered all right uh well we can come

01:11:12.480 back to that in a little bit uh i uh how about this last thing on on this sort of this topic um do you

01:11:19.920 think it's fair like if a woman isn't traditional so kind of related to how she dresses if she doesn't

01:11:26.560 dress traditional the guy shouldn't pay for the first date is that a fair proposition i feel like

01:11:31.360 clothes have nothing to do with that being traditional so like your ass out you're wearing

01:11:35.840 a hooker's uniform i just feel like a man would pay either way and go about his day and never talk

01:11:41.600 to her again if she was wearing revealing clothes like i'm still going to be a man i'm still going to

01:11:45.120 pay well i mean yeah that might happen i guess the question is more so should did the man see her

01:11:50.000 photos before they went on the date because if he did then if he asked her where did they pay for it

01:11:56.240 that's different yeah you kind of knew what you're getting into well if i if i say if i say if i you

01:12:00.640 don't dress like that and then you show up like that i might leave because yeah like don't even sit

01:12:06.160 down and meet you don't even have to pay now that's what i'm saying like you show up looking like

01:12:09.520 that i might leave because women don't realize when you dress like that you put a man in harm's

01:12:14.880 way because somebody might cat call somebody might grab you and he gonna have to do something he could

01:12:20.880 lose his life defending you because you want to come outside looking crazy you know what i'm saying

01:12:24.640 so it's not just about controlling you it's about keeping civilization all right you know what i'm saying

01:12:30.240 women got to stop dressing so crazy men men are very aggressive man like you don't it's like walking

01:12:35.520 around a cave of lions with meat hanging off you are you going to be mad at the lions like that's

01:12:41.520 their nature not saying that men are just wild uncontrollable beasts but it's like mental health

01:12:46.400 is real today as you know people are out of their minds the littlest thing can take them over the top

01:12:52.480 cover yourself up it's a lot of lonely men a lot of depressed men you walking around with just a

01:12:58.320 group of women with your whole body exposed is dangerous and it's also dangerous for the men in your

01:13:03.920 life because they got to put their life on the line to protect you from something that was extremely

01:13:07.920 preventable i do want to say i think it's kind of ridiculous to say that it's that's their nature

01:13:13.760 to be that way because if you are you know an uh i don't want to say normal if you're a grown-up

01:13:21.360 human being and you don't have any type of mental illness or you know something like that that shouldn't

01:13:27.760 be your nature are you talking about men i actually think that's men women it doesn't matter like if

01:13:33.200 someone is using them is the nature i'm saying reacting to your sexuality is a nature not not

01:13:37.680 being crazy that's not your nature it is it is i want to say i wouldn't say that it's someone's

01:13:42.560 natural instinct it's a man's nature to react to a woman's cat um sexuality like like y'all just said

01:13:48.960 when i dress provocatively what happens more men subscribe right if i was in a tight dress and i came in

01:13:54.720 here would you naturally cat call me no i didn't say cat caught but i would look but you said that

01:13:59.840 was in their nature it is looking is way different than being cat called or touching you know what

01:14:05.360 i'm saying cat call whatever word you want to use it is in a man's nature to address your sexuality

01:14:11.440 whether it be extremely or whether it be subtly it is his nature to respond to your sexual energy

01:14:18.320 because i was going to say like even if you look into like not to compare us to like literal animals

01:14:22.160 but if you look at animals the men will always go to the woman like it's just in their nature to

01:14:27.200 just like to like to approach women so just like it's in a woman's nature to acquiesce to his

01:14:33.680 prosperity am i going to say that a woman is wrong for that no if you're out here showing that you got

01:14:38.880 that bread you can't be mad when women want to see okay would you spend some on me hey i would like

01:14:43.840 that so that's they that's women's nature women are hypergamous and men are visual creatures that's

01:14:49.040 just life and i think the modern time we so caught up in people's feelings that we

01:14:53.840 disregard science and biology some things are just what they are and you can fight with it all you

01:14:58.800 want but it's only going to be at your own peril um you said that you're religious right no i'm spiritual

01:15:04.240 spiritual so um my thing to a lot of men who use spirituality or religion as a way to say

01:15:15.600 well this is just in our nature this is what we're supposed to do it says in pretty much

01:15:20.400 because all of the connected religions so that would be catholism christianity judaism

01:15:25.680 i don't mean to reject but i didn't i say not science and biology i didn't say religion okay um

01:15:31.520 my mine is just like a little thought off okay go ahead um all of these connected religions including

01:15:38.080 you know christianity catholism islam judaism um it says directly in the text that if a man cannot

01:15:45.040 look away or if he must react to a woman and how she is dressed that he should gouge out his eyes

01:15:51.360 would it also says that women are to dress modestly it it does and that women are to acquiesce

01:15:56.640 but men and dress modestly as they acquiesce to men but is modestly maybe

01:16:03.280 that can be subjective right there's no definition for what there's specific instructions like covering

01:16:12.480 your head at church not wearing men's clothing there's all sorts of different actual uh especially

01:16:17.520 in islam islam is very much uh very hyper specific on dress codes but so is christianity and uh for

01:16:24.560 instance orthodox christianity has roughly two thousand years of dress code enforcement when it

01:16:29.840 comes to church and how people are supposed to dress not dress and what the standard for modesty

01:16:34.560 is it's set down from an ecclesiastical authority so it's not like these things are unclear right

01:16:40.560 do we have photos or is it just kind of descriptions though like it is to a certain extent no it's

01:16:45.920 descriptive like yeah your dress must cover x and you must have a head covering when you're doing x

01:16:50.800 thing and yeah it's it's very very very specific it's not something which is i understand what you're

01:16:56.400 saying you're saying this can be subjective so this could be up to what is modest mean my version

01:17:00.960 of modesty your version of modesty are going to be two different things that argument would work

01:17:04.880 i think in this case except for the fact that we have such very clear descriptors so in this case

01:17:10.160 we just have very clear descriptors inside of these religions what modesty is and what the ethical

01:17:15.440 foundations for that are and why it's done but what about translated texts because the bible wasn't

01:17:20.880 written in english the bible is one of the most the bible is one of the most hyper specifically

01:17:26.160 translated texts in human history it's been gone over by every scholar on planet earth multiple times

01:17:32.240 we we know exactly what it says why it says it we know uh going all the way back to uh the original

01:17:38.400 council of nicaea and before that exactly what the intents were because they wrote them down we have

01:17:43.120 thousands of religious scholars who all agree on what these texts say this is not there there isn't any

01:17:48.560 other text on planet earth which has been more well studied in research than biblical text nothing

01:17:53.120 well it is well studied and it is research but there's still plenty of people who have conflicting

01:18:00.240 opinions about it well here's the thing there's a reason for this you are correct there is a reason

01:18:05.120 why there are conflicting opinions but this comes from the protestant reformation and once you get into

01:18:11.040 personal exegesis you can make a biblical text say whatever you want essentially but if you're if

01:18:16.000 you're talking about an actual standardized christian church like orthodoxy or catholicism

01:18:21.600 know that that these are what you're talking about are called innovations and they stay away from

01:18:26.400 innovations for a reason innovations are against the religious text but these men that typically say

01:18:32.160 that they want a modest woman and that they you know can't help themselves but assault a woman if

01:18:38.160 she is dressed provocatively well i think that's a very bad straw man of the position i don't think anybody

01:18:43.920 said nobody said that well i'm not saying he said that but i'm am i'm saying that why would i respond

01:18:50.240 to a position nobody has though you see what i'm saying can i can i can i direct oh go ahead

01:18:56.000 hang on hang on let's finish our exchange real quick we're almost okay um all i was saying is that

01:19:02.160 if we're talking about those men it also says in those texts that you shouldn't mix different text

01:19:08.480 styles it says that there's so many different rules but we're only following some of them is that

01:19:14.800 these player these clarifications are made uh via pentecost the new covenant there's there's

01:19:20.080 descriptors for exactly why these rules are in are in place and not in place and these are have been

01:19:25.360 endlessly gone over over 2 000 years of debate within the church multiple councils which have ruled on them

01:19:31.360 this is definitely not up for interpretation as to whether or not you can mix cloths i mean that's that's

01:19:36.080 been done away with since um you know since time for time for god yes but if we're talking about

01:19:41.920 clothes that should be worn that have been said that they that that this is how a woman should dress

01:19:47.360 this is how a man should dress and all of these different rules that we have and more religious

01:19:53.040 men are kind of saying well i'm not going to treat her well or whatever it is because of how she's

01:19:58.480 dressed or maybe that's provocative to me what are they dressed like what how are they living their

01:20:04.000 life by that same religious text is it hypocritical or are they living exactly how it says oh yeah i

01:20:10.880 think that they're not supposed to dress promiscuously either men aren't but when you're

01:20:14.960 talking about uh male dress codes i mean for the most part to to be perfectly honest and frank with you

01:20:21.600 only in the western world do you see this phenomenon at all for the most part um and it has to do a lot

01:20:27.040 with women's liberation but men very much don't really dress provocatively i mean they mostly

01:20:32.960 walk around completely covered head to toe most men do this the men in that room are dressed covered

01:20:38.240 head to toe all of them right i am too and i'm comfortable in my own basement and i'm still

01:20:43.680 uh covered head to toe and one of the reasons for that is it's a matter of respect right so uh

01:20:49.600 men also show each other respect this way um you know and and also if you want to see what a

01:20:55.280 respectable man looks like generally speaking they're not out with their flip-flops on looking you know

01:21:00.880 looking terrible this type of thing that's not something which uh which we respect very much so

01:21:06.400 ultimately i think that uh i i think that that's a really not a great point if you're if you're looking

01:21:12.080 at men and saying well what about the standard for men's dress i just don't see this sea of men dressing

01:21:17.200 provocatively anywhere can i yeah and i want to say this first of all i didn't bring up religion to

01:21:24.640 validate me that's why i said biology and science because people love to hide behind feelings theory

01:21:32.320 and religion but let's just deal with reality you know what i'm saying because we can get lost in

01:21:37.120 these interpretations even though like homie said it's very clear what religion says but let's just put

01:21:42.320 that to the side we have to stop speaking from these privileged positions because everybody doesn't

01:21:47.760 have the life you have that can insulate you from these weird people you may have that life where you

01:21:52.800 have a career where you have a man where you can do what you want to do and you don't have to deal

01:21:56.880 with the ramifications of what you may or may not wear but every woman in the world doesn't have that

01:22:02.240 privilege so there's women that are following the kim kardashians and are following this and they they're

01:22:07.040 in poverty or they're they're in a neighborhood where it's not protected or they don't have a man in

01:22:12.080 their life and they think they can just well we heard what she said and they go outside get their head

01:22:15.840 knocked off because they just want to prove a point so i feel like we need to really push uh responsible messages

01:22:22.240 that are more addressing the average person because we often talk from these places that everybody's

01:22:28.880 not at like when women talk up men and women talk about this high value man and all that the average

01:22:33.680 person in america is making 45 50 thousand dollars so to keep talking about these small sectors of

01:22:38.480 people and to try to understand the masses it's just it not saying you are but it's just an ignorant

01:22:43.440 perspective because we get so emotional in these conversations we feel like we're being attacked

01:22:47.680 and it's not that we're just making we're trying to create conversations that most people can uh thrive

01:22:53.920 from and i think it's just positive to tell most women protect yourself because you may not have the

01:23:00.480 father figure you may not have the the income where you can pay for this or pay for that to insulate

01:23:05.360 yourself from these weird people so the only thing you really have is yourself and how you carry yourself

01:23:10.720 and if you do meet somebody who's having to go against that and do something you'll be more protected

01:23:15.600 because they'll be like hey why are you doing this to this nice young lady who doesn't bother anybody

01:23:19.200 who doesn't dress crazy but if you're out here on your own talking crazy and dressing crazy who's gonna

01:23:24.320 believe you so i feel like we need to push a message that's more encompassing encompassing

01:23:29.040 to the average man and woman i will say that as a woman that you shouldn't go outside necessarily

01:23:36.720 dressed provocatively especially if it's late at night or maybe you're in a bad part of town or something

01:23:43.680 like that right because there is a possibility that something could happen but i will also say

01:23:49.600 that as a man you shouldn't you shouldn't go out and see a woman and think like oh i have the right

01:23:57.760 to cat call her oh i have the right to say something to her oh i have the right to touch her now because

01:24:03.440 she's wearing a short dress absolutely i think we everybody here agrees with you so i mean if somebody

01:24:08.400 commits i mean i would have to disagree oh well let me okay so i mean if somebody commits a sexual

01:24:14.480 assault the only person to blame is the person who commits the sexual assault i don't think victims

01:24:20.240 are to blame for their own sexual assault but i also do think that if you are you're putting yourself

01:24:26.560 in a risky situation then you have put yourself in a risky situation sure i just don't think it's right

01:24:32.960 to say that's their nature you know well i just think i think the standard is different so the

01:24:39.520 the thing is like i agree with you in the context that absolutely men shouldn't engage in any sort

01:24:45.280 of bad behavior like this however i think there's a double standard applied i think that it's very

01:24:50.080 common to see uh women doing unwanted touching to men constantly which is not considered essay whatsoever

01:24:55.920 and it really should be like it's very common to see a man sitting on a couch for instance at a party

01:25:00.720 random woman goes by perhaps puts her hands on his shoulders maybe rubs him a little bit walks on or

01:25:06.240 or kind of puts her hands on his back it kind of rubs his back things like this uh sure and you would

01:25:11.200 never say that's in her nature almost hang on hang on but if we were to switch the roles right and a

01:25:16.240 woman and a man were to do that to a woman you'd be like wait a second it's totally inappropriate

01:25:20.320 this type of touching so i think that the standards i think that until the standards are not um

01:25:26.160 are not adhered to as uh as being equal across the board i don't see how you could make the claim

01:25:31.760 that um you know men are the ones out here acting inappropriately it just seems like when it comes

01:25:37.120 to touching or things like this uh women kind of get a pass and men don't i do have to move things

01:25:43.440 on here uh i want to we're going to do a react but before we do that uh going to you so you have bpd

01:25:51.760 yeah borderline personality disorder borderline personality disorder oh no uh so in your instagram

01:26:00.720 you describe yourself as mentally illest yeah and you're illesophical yeah so maybe i don't know

01:26:06.480 there's something collaboration or something um a couple questions for the bpd um how does the how

01:26:12.880 does bpd manifest itself for you um well it's described as the instability of moods behaviors

01:26:19.120 and relationships so like that really just can flood into every area of your life really and

01:26:24.560 it did for mine so it's played a part a huge part in my relationships if not the biggest part of my

01:26:29.520 relationships um emotional stability just growing up just played the biggest part like i just could

01:26:35.200 never i was the one crying in the classroom all the time um i don't know i would say it's probably like

01:26:42.000 if you ask me a question it's affected my life like it just has well yeah sure um yeah but so what i

01:26:46.960 i guess what are uh i know for some people it can manifest differently it can be more extreme

01:26:52.880 it can be more mild yeah um how does what i guess what are some of the symptoms for you so like fear

01:26:59.600 of abandonment is one like i haven't dated in two years and i feel like maybe if i'm being 100 honest

01:27:04.160 and real it might be because i'm scared of being abandoned i don't want to go through that again so i

01:27:07.360 just don't do it at all so now i don't have as many relationships have you wait you were just on a

01:27:12.640 date though i was i'm trying my best wait question though like when you say dating do you mean long

01:27:19.760 term relationships like the three-year one yeah that was long term we moved in together i mean

01:27:24.800 have you been celibate for two years no

01:27:30.720 you're like seeing men you're engaging in romantic or sexual i wouldn't say i was seeing men

01:27:36.720 the there's two men after one is i've already done that way before my ex-boyfriend like way way

01:27:42.240 before so just reconnected i was really alone went with him um and then now new said guy so okay yeah

01:27:50.000 all right um and then so you said you're the fear of abandonment um what else how how does it what are

01:27:59.360 the other symptoms i guess um i guess like paranoia like i could just make up my own thoughts and then

01:28:05.440 i get in my head and convince myself that it's real and then i'm like everyone's leaving me

01:28:09.200 everyone hates me um my family member just passed away like i would like can convince myself that

01:28:14.560 like things are happening they're not actually happening but once i calmed down like i'm like

01:28:18.160 what was that about so two questions i guess um there's gonna be when it comes to bpd there's gonna

01:28:24.560 be what's going on with you internally yeah and then when it comes to relationships and dating

01:28:29.520 there's going to be you know there's going to be the outward manifestations yes of that so if

01:28:36.080 somebody is dating you what can they sort of expect in terms of already granting everything that's going

01:28:44.480 on internally but there's going to be outward manifestations what does that look like so texting

01:28:50.080 them and like freaking the fuck out or how does it look so dating with bpd and honestly and most people

01:28:56.000 with bpd will say this um not to assume that everyone would but it's very very common relationships

01:29:01.040 are the biggest trigger so i could go so long without having any triggers no like emotional

01:29:06.640 stuff as soon as i get in a relationship i then start to like are they doing this when i'm not

01:29:11.440 there are they doing that so then i'll start texting them freaking out could do that um there's

01:29:16.400 times that you can literally convince yourself that they're talking to someone else they're not

01:29:20.480 and you will treat them as if they are um there's been times like not to be too real i've like even

01:29:26.960 gotten so mad i've jumped out of a moving car before so it's like it could get there but it also

01:29:32.480 can be triggered and i will stand on that like your environment is everything if you're around the wrong

01:29:36.480 people it will trigger you and put yourself in the worst position ever of course take accountability

01:29:40.880 for my own actions put myself in this situation but i will say if it's real real bad it's usually

01:29:46.960 really really triggered and they're they're trying to poke the bear like they are okay um and then

01:29:53.440 you said you were you were a serial dater yes yes so like before my three-year relationship i was

01:29:59.440 bouncing from relationship to relationship to relationship and if it wasn't a relationship

01:30:02.800 i was at least talking to someone kind of dating but just without the label but yeah pretty much since

01:30:08.720 i was like 12 i've never been out of a relationship until like 22 21 okay uh we'll maybe come back to

01:30:15.680 some of that anybody else here have a diagnosis they want to reveal i'm the only crazy one official

01:30:21.760 one what what you got i'm just not the most patient person i think i think whatever diagnosis that is

01:30:29.760 i'm just i think i need to work on my patients like the smallest little thing i'm out of there

01:30:34.160 i think a lot of people deal with that too i think just the times we're in anybody uh anxiety

01:30:38.320 100 percent anxiety but i also don't believe in mental illness bipolar i have a movement disorder

01:30:44.880 a movement yeah what's it's like uh like you're spastic or yeah like a parkinsonianism oh it's just

01:30:52.800 it's called dystonia what's never what is that i've actually heard of it like yeah like t-rex arms

01:30:58.480 yeah yeah like in the bedroom or yeah for sure uh oh um oh okay no it was from a

01:31:08.400 medication i was given and i had a horrible reaction from it and i almost died and i was

01:31:12.880 in a wheelchair for years and bed bound yeah for six months um that's not a mental illness no no but it

01:31:20.720 is a it's a movement disorder that's neurological it's a neurological disorder but your psychological

01:31:27.200 well-being affects how it manifests like physically if i'm stressed if i'm sad if i'm depressed if

01:31:35.600 i'm anxious if i'm insecure held all what was it that's uh that's most neurological diseases though

01:31:41.600 right yeah that makes 100 what what was it for i was misdiagnosed with tourettes as a kid oh wow

01:31:50.560 and then they gave you a medication and then they gave you tourettes yes yes literally just a

01:31:56.880 different form oh did you yes there was a lawsuit there was yeah uh we have a uh

01:32:10.320 super chat here what did i reach greta thanos thank you dude looked at andrew and said homie said

01:32:18.560 we have reached peak irony folks wait what i think we're all confusion hey uh thank you greta for the

01:32:25.920 super chat appreciate it thank you thank you all right uh we're going to before we do the react

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01:33:09.440 what else did we have to do i'm trying to remember here um what was it oh the reddit thing yeah let's

01:33:15.600 pull up the reddit reaction thing also guys like the video like the video if you're enjoying the stream so

01:33:21.120 far i think we have a very solid panel so far so like the video if you guys are liking the stream

01:33:26.240 make it a little bigger for us who's got a good reading voice i do who's got a good

01:33:31.120 sluttering what about you you got a good reading voice no i would not i would not make it bigger for

01:33:36.720 us y'all all sound make it bigger yeah that's good i do but i'm blind so i can do it all right you do it

01:33:43.680 go ahead um so read the title uh here i'll do it my 27 there go ahead go ahead my 27 male girlfriend

01:33:51.920 22 feet no my as in as in him as in him yeah okay he's 27 male his girlfriend 22 female of a

01:33:59.040 year slept with another guy while we were taking it slow a month oh fuck did not mean

01:34:05.440 uh and then uh let's see read after it says original post read i have been with this girl i have been with

01:34:12.560 this girl i'll call jess for close to a year now since specifics matter here we started dating

01:34:17.200 around last thanksgiving but it was only about a month later when we said we were in an official

01:34:22.000 relationship i really liked this girl from the get-go and we've gotten really close since then

01:34:26.240 and we were actually planning on moving together soon here's a problem recently jess and i ran into

01:34:31.680 a guy at a small get together with mutual friends they exchanged a weird look like there was something

01:34:36.000 between them but i didn't think too much of it at the time during the party something came up

01:34:40.160 about the place jess went to for a date the time was clear since it was a christmas market in my

01:34:45.280 town and again i thought something was off about the guy well later that night i actually get a text

01:34:50.000 from him he got my number from one of the mutual friends but said hey i don't don't know you but i

01:34:55.600 thought you should know that jess and i hooked up right after christmas i confronted jess about it

01:35:01.440 and i could tell she tensed up right away she got this sad look on her face but confessed right away

01:35:06.560 she said she had met this guy on tinder and hooked up a couple of times but stopped any contact before

01:35:11.040 we became official she said she wasn't sure we would get into a relationship at that time but

01:35:15.840 she still felt bad that i found out this way she said she considered telling me but it was afraid would

01:35:21.120 it would ruin things between us i told her i needed some time to think and proceeded to get drunk that

01:35:26.000 night and ignored her texts the thing is i feel very betrayed and i'm really considering ending

01:35:31.360 things sure we weren't official when this happened but we had already been on multiple dates at that

01:35:36.320 time and i thought it was pretty clear that we were moving towards a full-fledged relationship

01:35:40.880 on my side i had no interest in pursuing other girls at that point because i only wanted to be with jess

01:35:45.760 and on her end she was definitely hitting at us evolving into a couple and strongly hitting

01:35:50.640 hinting at exclusivity the other part that kills me is that during the stage jess specifically said she

01:35:56.320 wanted to take things slow physically until we knew each other better but during the same time

01:36:01.200 she hooks up with a guy she barely knew from tinder when i asked her this she said it's different

01:36:05.840 because she took it slow with me specifically because she thought we would get into a relationship

01:36:09.920 but it was somehow different with a casual hookup that logic makes zero sense to me

01:36:15.280 i don't really want to talk about it with my friends because i think they would hate jess if

01:36:19.120 end up staying together but i would like to hear opinions on here would you stay in a relationship

01:36:23.360 like this if things were going well but the beginning was so shady and then read the too

01:36:27.600 long didn't read just for a recap my girlfriend met up and hooked up with a guy while we were dating

01:36:32.000 but not official while she was taking it slow with me okay so um let's have the panel's reaction there

01:36:39.920 do you think valid do you think hey you know look they weren't official she can they she can do whatever

01:36:47.440 she wants your position starting with you i honestly think the whole thing's invalid i don't even think

01:36:52.000 he should be even thinking about it if a relationship starts off that way it's always

01:36:55.440 going to be that way so i don't even i don't even think he should have made the reddit post he should

01:36:59.280 have just not even pursue her talk about her think about yeah okay and it thinks right away okay your

01:37:05.360 thoughts i think that both feelings are i think both feelings are very valid that being said it really

01:37:12.480 comes down to do you see your life without this person and if not then you know then you should be

01:37:18.800 with them and if like if you can't live without them but if you can and you can't get past this

01:37:22.960 then of course you should break up wait both feelings valid so how were her feelings valid

01:37:27.840 because we don't we only know it from his perspective we don't we just yeah so we have

01:37:32.000 to just take it yeah exactly at his word exactly so we don't know exactly what she was feeling and

01:37:37.360 maybe why she didn't want to initially have sex with him versus having sex with this other guy we

01:37:43.440 don't know what the relationship between them are so from just a solid outside perspective i don't

01:37:48.960 think any of that really matters it matters how you feel about the person now like did that taint

01:37:56.960 it for you to the point that you can't be with her and if the answer is yes you shouldn't be with her

01:38:01.120 i have to disagree only because if you like someone you're not going to go sleep with someone else

01:38:06.800 like you just aren't like you know and like not to say like but how would you feel i'm not saying

01:38:11.600 that they ever did i'd never want to paint you like that but like if your boyfriend when you

01:38:15.040 first started talking if he were to sleep with another woman wouldn't you look at him differently

01:38:19.840 no because i think i already knew when we got together like when we first met that he had had

01:38:26.880 a very like he had had way more sexual partners than i ever did and it never really i mean like maybe i

01:38:33.360 felt a little insecure about it but i feel like i just cared about him more than i cared about his past

01:38:40.160 well sexual partners is fine but if we're sitting here dating and talking and you go to sleep with

01:38:44.080 someone like we're not dating like we're not dating you're dating other people yeah you know what i'm

01:38:48.240 saying i mean i i don't understand how the other side's valid honestly like that's what i'm trying

01:38:53.360 to figure out is how you figured out that the woman's side is valid here like clearly you're dating a

01:38:58.000 man and she says i could see this being exclusive and so does he that's where they're both moving

01:39:03.280 towards and then she's sleeping with another guy that's an action that is contradictory to what it is that

01:39:08.560 she's actually saying and doing she just straight up lied low-key i would say the same thing if the

01:39:15.040 roles was switched until you say that you're official you know anything can happen you can't necessarily

01:39:23.360 like i'm not saying i would but you can't be surprised i guess you're before yeah but i mean humans

01:39:31.520 have expectations right before we weigh in i would like to get everybody's

01:39:35.520 sure i think communication is super important in any relationship i think the fact that they didn't

01:39:42.560 talk about you know whether they were exclusive or not makes in in a way her point a little valid i

01:39:50.000 mean we don't know what happened on her side because she didn't write in but in my opinion i think that

01:39:59.360 you know i don't think that she is to blame and i would say that if it was reversed as well

01:40:05.520 um but i do feel like the guy um who wrote in his opinions are are super valid and if it's something

01:40:13.040 that he thinks hinders the relationship or now he can't look at her a certain way you know then

01:40:19.280 end things but you need to talk about that before but didn't they say that they were taking things

01:40:24.800 slow so therefore didn't they talk about it you know what i'm saying like not that they're exclusive

01:40:29.520 but if you look at someone say hey do you want to take things slow i'm going to assume that we're

01:40:33.520 taking things slow you're not sleeping with other people you know right but the key word there is

01:40:37.600 assume they didn't say that they were exclusive oh i didn't see the assume part my bad that stole me

01:40:45.440 and just to recap she did say he he does say sure we weren't official when this happened but we had

01:40:50.480 already been on multiple dates at that time and he says he thought it was pretty clear that we were

01:40:56.320 moving towards a fully fledged relationship i think i learned the hard way you can't just think

01:41:03.280 or assume something in a relationship he did he did also right and on her end she was definitely hinting

01:41:11.200 at us evolving into a couple and strongly hinting at exclusivity mind you they were dating for a year he

01:41:19.920 doesn't really give much of a timeline like but the inference here is the problem yeah right so

01:41:24.880 it there's there's an inference here we're moving towards exclusivity and that inference must actually

01:41:30.160 be there because her claim to him she tensed up she got upset was okay well hang on wait a second

01:41:37.440 okay yes it's technically we weren't exclusive but obviously you had this expectation because i was giving

01:41:42.960 you this expectation otherwise she wouldn't be upset about it right what would she be upset about

01:41:46.800 she's upset because she was inferring that they were going to be exclusive let's get everybody's

01:41:51.440 reaction here go ahead about if her side is valid or not sure um i kind of agree with you if there it's

01:42:00.800 about if there was an explicit communication of what those boundaries and expectations from the relationship

01:42:06.960 was at the time of these actions occurring i think it gets confusing i can genuinely see both sides

01:42:15.040 because it seems like there's some dishonesty on one side or the other truth is usually somewhere in

01:42:21.200 the middle of where there was alluding to there being i'm not seeing anybody else it could have also

01:42:29.840 been like a trauma response or uh but you know i don't know i'm just trying to play i know right

01:42:35.520 fuck everything okay so i mean we can have a debate over you know this component of were they exclusive or not

01:42:47.520 i think it's up to him no but the issue is if if she had also been sleeping with him

01:42:55.120 it gives you a bit more leeway but i think the bigger issue here is that she

01:43:01.520 she fucked to this other dude yeah but she told him oh i want to take it slow because i'm a good

01:43:08.080 girl yeah i don't do that yeah that's yeah that's why i'm like i don't i think they communicated she

01:43:14.080 said i'm taking things slow and she went and screwed yeah she lied basically but uh your reaction yeah

01:43:18.960 because i was gonna ask i guess why wasn't he jumping to date her but i guess it's because she

01:43:24.160 said she was wanted to take it slow he didn't really say that he wanted well i think take it slow

01:43:28.560 physically okay so yeah i can see how you know where he's coming from i can okay your reaction

01:43:35.840 um i feel like just because you know she said she wanted to take it slow with him

01:43:40.960 she could really like him and just want to take things slow and with the other guy it didn't mean

01:43:47.760 anything so and we were not exclusive we didn't have that conversation saying okay we're exclusive we're

01:43:53.760 not going to date anyone we're not we didn't have that it's very gray area so i kind of agree with

01:44:00.000 her side because nothing is solidified here everything is like kind of up in the air

01:44:04.800 not right i mean i mean but it's not though it's not there's a there's an this is like

01:44:12.000 i see this all the time on these panels right it literally just seems like it's excusing bad behavior

01:44:16.880 um clearly clearly from this guy's angle he he was moving towards this and she was moving towards

01:44:24.480 this and they both seem to agree otherwise she wouldn't get upset that's one and seemingly the

01:44:28.800 only way that you guys are able to quote validate uh this woman who's in the picture here is to

01:44:35.520 essentially say well i disbelieve his story and there's another side but it's like just take the

01:44:39.280 story at face value let's assume for a second it's true that everything he's saying is true well

01:44:44.400 then how do you validate that well they again they never they never agreed to be exclusive that

01:44:51.840 i mean yeah but so even look even granting let's say it's not even considered yeah but he didn't

01:44:56.800 agree that that that that he would stay in relationship uh with a girl who was like for

01:45:02.000 instance let me let me just give you this scenario right if she had told him at the time oh and by the

01:45:06.800 way i just humped my tinder date don't you think that would have remarkably changed the situation

01:45:13.040 of their dynamic if she had actually been up front with that oh by the way guy that i'm dating

01:45:18.720 i also happen to be banging a guy i met on tinder don't you think that would completely change the

01:45:24.000 dynamic i think so but i feel like you can't really hold someone up to that standard if of course

01:45:32.640 i feel like you can't if you're not dating if you're if you're if you don't have to like i could

01:45:38.320 go on a date or be dating someone talking to them right and where i can see things going but i don't

01:45:44.240 have to tell you that i just slept with somebody yesterday or last week i mean we're not we never

01:45:50.400 established that how's that not that's totally despicable because it puts you first another

01:45:55.200 false pretense it's like that's completely despicable behavior to be like oh and i'm also banging this guy

01:46:01.360 i'm just not going to tell you don't don't it's totally just despicable to do like who would ever want

01:46:06.880 that done to him would you ever want to date a guy who you were really into and then he was like oh yeah

01:46:11.920 you know and uh by the way you found out you know four weeks in that he was banging some other chick

01:46:17.120 like who who would ever want that i don't know if it's just me but when i date i just assume that

01:46:22.880 the other person is also dating and possibly sleeping with other people i might not be but i just assume

01:46:30.640 until we have a conversation and i think what she did is not right by not telling him um but in my

01:46:37.360 opinion i think that also what she did wasn't wrong she didn't have to tell him because they didn't

01:46:43.120 discuss it uh yeah okay well well here's the thing though like with men guys do this all the time

01:46:49.600 oh go ahead andrew you're good yeah well i don't think that men generally are assuming that if they're

01:46:55.120 going on multiple dates with a woman she's dating anybody else i think that that's usually generally

01:46:59.920 a fair assumption to make i don't see why it wouldn't be and if you think it would change the

01:47:04.400 way that the person would look at you right if you if you told them you were sleeping with somebody

01:47:08.640 else then at that point i think you actually have an obligation to do so because it's false

01:47:12.240 pretenses so if you think if i told this person i'm sleeping with somebody else and if they had

01:47:17.200 that information they would no longer want to date me or be with me so i'm going to purposely

01:47:21.120 withhold that information yes that's totally despicable that's completely despicable because

01:47:25.520 it's just self-serving right uh your reaction and then we'll have some back and forth here my

01:47:31.440 reaction is that i think um it should have been clearly established in the beginning

01:47:38.080 and i think that's where uh you know what what should have that if they're sleeping with people or not

01:47:45.440 um if they both were looking to be in a relationship uh or just establish if they

01:47:51.040 wanted to be in a relationship um i feel like that's just like a valid known thing that people

01:47:56.720 should know uh in a relationship i gotta ask this rather you're sleeping with somebody or not in a

01:48:02.400 relationship let me ask you let me ask you a question okay if you had genital warts and the

01:48:07.360 other person didn't know but they didn't ask you and you were going to sleep with them are you

01:48:10.240 obligated to disclose that to them no this is where i think the modern society is a little soft

01:48:16.080 i think that this stuff should just be easily communicated like rather you're sleeping with

01:48:21.040 somebody or not like personally i don't want no one else sleeping with somebody else if i'm in a

01:48:25.680 relationship like that doesn't answer so i'm going to make that clear um that i'm not sleeping with

01:48:30.320 somebody to my question yeah if you had genital warts okay and and and you you and the person you were

01:48:38.080 on a date with never discussed stds and he wanted to sleep with you right are you obligated to tell

01:48:45.520 him that yeah then or isn't the reason you're obligated to tell him that so that he can make

01:48:51.920 an informed decision about whether or not he wants to take that risk yeah so and so so the the inference

01:48:59.040 here then is that this person would make a different decision had they had the pertinent information

01:49:06.320 that you are withholding and so if you consider that to be a moral conundrum i don't see how you

01:49:10.880 wouldn't consider this a moral conundrum they both seem like a moral conundrum to me same way

01:49:15.680 withholding information purposely to be self-serving in the one case you say that's wrong in the other

01:49:21.440 case you say it's fine that seems absurd to me well did he say that if it if she had told him that he

01:49:28.480 would have left does it say that like in in the post she was yeah the the idea that he's alluding

01:49:36.160 to here is that had he had the requisite knowledge uh he would have he would have seized and desisted

01:49:41.360 the dating with her that's the uh that's that's the entire inference of the post what makes it wrong

01:49:46.240 is that he didn't know in other words right i think he should have just asked straight up i think

01:49:53.200 it's just like a common thing people should kind of know about each other if you're dating somebody

01:49:57.040 rather you're sleeping with somebody or not like i feel like it's just like a common thing that

01:50:01.200 people should know about each other even in the beginning or not rather like if you see a long-term

01:50:07.120 relationship with someone like i'm not going to be sleeping with somebody else and i feel like that

01:50:10.640 should be established if you both are looking for long-term things you know yeah i think it should be

01:50:15.360 established in the beginning that uh i i would agree to this i i think it should be established in the

01:50:21.440 beginning whether or not you want to have an open relationship and continue to date you say okay i'm

01:50:25.520 going to continue to date other people you date other people that's fine but if it's not discussed

01:50:30.640 right but people that you're acting in such a way as though it seems that this is moving towards

01:50:36.400 something then i think that as human beings we can generally figure out what an inference is what's

01:50:42.480 what's being implied here what's being inferred here in the same way that you would say i'm not

01:50:46.960 going to hide an std because i feel like well that could definitely do some damage to your life by not

01:50:52.160 disclosing that to you and be self-serving this also does the same thing it's very damaging to

01:50:57.040 a person's life by not disclosing it so from my perspective it seems that uh the woman should be

01:51:03.520 not only completely invalidated here but it was very sneaky underhanded behavior yeah if it was the

01:51:09.120 other way around i would completely not agree with it so i think if guys were doing what this girl was

01:51:14.800 doing to us i think we would honestly act more out on it than what that guy was doing was just

01:51:21.120 posting on reddit or whatever the heck that was um that's just my personal opinion

01:51:28.000 okay you had something go ahead yeah um for just to be clear so he was dating this woman for a year

01:51:35.360 i just want to be so they was dating for a year and i'm gonna just then he found out

01:51:39.680 then he found out and should have said something all right but so in my opinion the guy just seems a

01:51:45.280 little green to me that's just what i'm thinking because if i'm talking to a woman in the first

01:51:49.280 beginning i'm not i'm assuming she's doing what she wanted to do until we make it official

01:51:52.880 you're not mine until you mind so i'm not assuming anything if i meet a woman in the modern time

01:51:57.840 especially she's attractive and it's early and we haven't established nothing she might still be

01:52:02.240 lingering with somebody else there still might be some cobwebs you're trying to clean out so i'm not even

01:52:05.840 assuming that and if i'm dealing with a woman for a year's time and we haven't done anything

01:52:11.360 and you're accepting that and you think that's normal you're just you don't know women enough

01:52:15.600 i think we have what we want women to be and what they are and i think a lot of men

01:52:19.920 but this what you're doing is promoting terrible i'm not promoting anything you gotta let me finish

01:52:23.840 though i'm not promoting anything because i don't believe in it i'm i deal with reality i don't

01:52:28.880 agree with a lot of stuff in reality i don't think certain things should be a crime but that

01:52:32.560 don't mean i'm gonna do it just to prove a point it is what it is so if i'm dealing with a woman

01:52:37.120 for a year's time and she's making me wait for her body i don't care what she says i don't think she

01:52:43.440 likes me so based on that post i think they did just to clarify it's not clear from the post i'm

01:52:48.800 assuming they did have sex i don't think he discloses it that's what i'm saying he said they

01:52:53.440 was but you said she was waiting she said she was they were taking it slow physically that's what

01:52:56.960 i don't think he discloses but yeah so maybe they waited a month two months three months something

01:53:02.240 like that i think they did have sex just just as a point of clarification okay but he waited and then

01:53:07.920 she fucked a dude on tinder probably immediately okay so this was that's what i'm saying i'm not

01:53:12.000 clear i'm not clear they had it's not clear if he has sex or not based on the post saying like he

01:53:15.840 was waiting to have sex he waited three months the other dude hit it first night and hey then he

01:53:22.320 he needs to leave her alone but the fact that he made that post shows that he needs someone to

01:53:26.560 convince her to convince him to leave her alone he still wants to deal with her and if he still

01:53:30.560 wants to deal with her then he's a clown because if you got to go online and ask people hey should

01:53:35.360 i leave her alone or not that means you still like her and you're waiting for someone to tell you it's

01:53:39.840 okay to stay with her and men like that don't know women enough and they just they're just game

01:53:44.240 goofy period well okay hang on hang on like saying that because you were with a girl uh for a

01:53:51.680 a straight year right the relationship is going really well and suddenly you learn

01:53:55.760 very pertinent information to to this relationship that you now have to deal with and so you look

01:54:01.680 outside external for guidance because you don't know exactly how to deal with a situation you've

01:54:05.520 never been in i don't think that's a knock on the guy either i think it's him just going hey wait a

01:54:09.920 second uh this is something i haven't experienced before most men probably haven't been in the

01:54:14.800 situation where they have a long-term relationship where they find that pertinent information out

01:54:18.720 a year or two in i don't think i'd beat him up about it i think though that she should probably

01:54:24.320 if he wanted to avoid this situation i i would think that the moral ought here would be the

01:54:28.960 disclosure just like it would be with the std and the situation's avoided but he knows now and he's

01:54:33.920 still looking for convincing so what i'm saying is most men who have experience with women when it

01:54:38.960 doesn't go their their way most masculine dominant men they're not going to wait around and figure out if

01:54:44.560 she's with me or not once she shows you she's not on your team you you move on and you keep it

01:54:49.760 pushing you don't go online and post to random people and say hey do you think i should take her

01:54:54.240 back and i'm not knocking him he's not a bad guy he's just very green when it comes to women

01:54:59.680 what advice would you have given him would you give him leave literally

01:55:03.040 leave that's the advice she's not the one for you she's not the girl she's not the girl for you you

01:55:08.480 was a good dude and you're too good for her keep it pushing i agree with you right the advice is

01:55:15.520 leave perfect so a guy like that doesn't have the requisite experience looking for guidance from a

01:55:20.880 male comes to you asks you you say leave why would you knock him for that i'm not knocking him i'm i'm

01:55:26.960 i mean you this is semantic at this point what i'm saying is that's not the right approach for this

01:55:32.240 situation my brother don't take your grievances to strangers suck it up and do something with your

01:55:40.160 time take that energy that's frustrating with her and go do some push-ups go go go go vent to your

01:55:45.040 boys go get a drink go play madden something don't take it to the internet and think that oh because he

01:55:51.040 still wants her he's looking for validation to stay he's not looking for a solution he's looking for a

01:55:56.000 reason why he should ignore her folly which lets me know he's not experienced with women he's very

01:56:01.520 great maybe he's also having resentment that he that she met that guy on the internet and so now

01:56:06.560 he's going to the internet well i think there's a bit more context in the post we're going to pull

01:56:10.560 it back up maybe there's some explanation as to why he went to the internet i think if i saw his

01:56:15.360 girlfriend was uh trying to like cope and gaslight him a little bit so let's pull it back up i'll have

01:56:21.040 you read the rest of it scroll down please hide the overlay scroll down i'm gonna have you read where

01:56:29.040 it starts relevant comments scroll scroll down scroll down scroll down okay all right in my

01:56:35.520 opinion if you're dating someone and moving towards a serious relationship you don't freaking bang other

01:56:40.320 people this would be a deal breaker for me but you do you man if you can't get past it then end it

01:56:45.680 a little clarification here that's from like a commenter from the original reddit thread

01:56:49.760 uh oop i i believe that's just original poster so this is a response uh this is the actual guy who

01:56:57.120 uh with the girlfriend issue go ahead yeah that's how i feel as well it would have been one thing if

01:57:02.640 she was just talking to other guys in the early stages while we were defining things of course

01:57:07.280 that's fine and normal but it feels like a slap in the fact that she face he meant face that she found

01:57:12.400 another guy to sleep with after we had already gone on quite a few dates and i made it clear i thought

01:57:16.480 we were moving towards a serious relationship which she seemed to also acknowledge there is no way she

01:57:21.360 she didn't know i would feel hurt that she did that scroll down a bit here we'll scroll down

01:57:27.200 okay read that one yeah her logic made no sense to me she tried to explain that with guys she wants

01:57:32.000 to be in a relationship she wants it to feel special and wants it to build an emotional connection but

01:57:36.960 for guys she sees no future with she sometimes can just just wanted physical fun that meant nothing

01:57:43.040 but i just can't wrap my mind around that it feels like a gut punch that as we were getting

01:57:47.120 closer and building a connection she didn't want to be intimate with me but instead preferred to

01:57:51.440 find someone else no matter how she rationalizes it it's hard not to feel like a second choice and then

01:57:56.960 there was an update 23 days later read the update please as the title says i decided to break up with

01:58:02.480 jess i kept going back and forth because i was worried i was throwing away a great thing over

01:58:06.400 something that happened in the past but the problem is i thought i really wouldn't be able to get past it

01:58:11.120 i can't help what she did was really shitty yes i know that technically she did not cheat but she knew that i

01:58:16.480 wanted a real relationship at that and that we were potentially moving in that direction but

01:58:20.880 meanwhile she expected me to plan and pay for interesting dates court her and prove that i was

01:58:26.240 worthy of her while she happily hooked up with randos who basically did nothing but show an interest in

01:58:31.600 fucking fuck that in a follow-up conversation it also came up that her friends sort of guided her to

01:58:36.800 act like this that she should basically allow herself to have fun and to keep her casual options open

01:58:41.920 but with me to make me work for it and show that i wasn't just looking for sex but was capable of

01:58:47.040 being a committed partner the whole thing just seemed so manipulative and ugly and these were

01:58:51.760 also mutual friends who i considered to be nice girls and now my friends as well now i never want to

01:58:56.480 see any of those pieces of shit ever again anyway i know this is starting to sound a bit like a rant lol

01:59:02.160 but i felt pretty pissed off and basically called it quits the actual breakup was actually quite unpleasant no

01:59:07.680 harsh words were exchanged but just cried and we just kind of talked about some happy times

01:59:12.320 i guess that's the hardest part about this like i don't think she is a bad girl and maybe we could

01:59:16.080 have had a nice future together like we did over the past few months but in the end i do think i made

01:59:21.920 the right decision i want to be with someone who treats me well from the get-go not someone who

01:59:25.600 manipulates me while playing games just so she can have her cake and eat it too uh you had something

01:59:30.720 really quick but yeah um like from when i'm saying that god just it's not he doesn't understand women

01:59:38.000 like that she she didn't like him that much she was still feeling him out and she was willing to go

01:59:43.120 on dates and he was willing to acquiesce to that because he doesn't know women and he was way more

01:59:47.920 into her than she was into him when a woman wants to have sex with you and when she likes you she knows

01:59:53.680 right away at that point she all you can do is make her could turn her off but she she wasn't really

01:59:59.600 attracted to that guy she's seeing that he can be the guy that can be nice but the guy that she was

02:00:04.720 really attracted to was the guys that she was sleeping with so he just he's not a victim he's

02:00:09.440 not he's not he's not he's not we're not going to knock the guy but he just he just wasn't paying

02:00:14.160 attention to the red flags i'm sorry yeah but but where does he learn to do that you have to get out

02:00:20.240 you gotta get your feelings sir i mean you only know how to fight until you get punched in the face

02:00:23.440 that's why that's why i don't understand the argument right it's like i get what you're saying that the

02:00:27.360 guy's a simp but he doesn't have a lot of experience with women blah blah blah blah nobody's disputing

02:00:31.440 that and i'd give him the same advice you would leave but how exactly do you if you're conflicted

02:00:37.040 and you don't have this requisite experience which is what you're talking about how do you get it other

02:00:41.520 than to have stuff like this happen go to friends mentors people like this and discuss it with them

02:00:46.560 and another thing like on these just real quick on these reddit threads things like this many of the

02:00:52.000 times i think that this is done by people so that other people can see what's going on and they can

02:00:57.520 have a reference point if something similar is happening to them right so it makes sense well the

02:01:02.880 way i learned because i i didn't have nobody say hey don't do this don't do this i just paid attention

02:01:07.760 to my environment and i look at what women did in real time and i knew what not to do and i wasn't

02:01:13.760 going to play you never had any conflict with women that you went to your friends with of course but

02:01:18.720 i'm not taking a woman on multiple dates spending hella bread and she's telling me we're taking it

02:01:24.560 slow like i'm not i never went through that that's just me personally but i thought you wanted a

02:01:28.800 traditional woman and doesn't i didn't say we had to have sex but i'm saying i'm not about to be

02:01:33.040 spending money multiple multiple times and you're still trying to figure it out like sometimes the

02:01:37.920 date don't have to be money spent because once you start spending money men's emotions get attached to

02:01:42.560 their money so what i'm gonna do is say hey so i won't get mad at you let's go take a walk let's go to

02:01:48.640 a museum something that's not costing me anything so i don't feel so upset when things go left men

02:01:54.000 try to start investing it oh i'm gonna take her and take it here she hasn't done nothing for you but

02:01:57.520 show up so that's on him so i do want a traditional woman but i understand we don't live in traditional

02:02:02.160 time so i'm not going to put myself in a traditional situation that's going to get me played i'm going

02:02:06.400 to play regular do something that's cost efficient because if she really likes me she's going to be

02:02:10.640 there if you really like a dude he don't got to take you to root prison now the guy that you're not

02:02:14.640 really sure about he might have to spend some money but the guy that you know you really like

02:02:18.480 he just got to show up so i would put in situations where she has to show me that she likes me

02:02:23.760 naturally not because i'm paying for this or paying for that not saying we can't get something to eat

02:02:27.440 but you're paying for one two three four multiple dates like you got to just be smart and realize that

02:02:33.760 hold up this is not supposed to go like that she's still trying to figure me out i just think you just

02:02:38.320 got to be smarter than that and look around and see that most women they know when they like a guy

02:02:42.560 y'all know right away if y'all like a guy from the first conversation if you could see yourself being

02:02:46.080 with him by the second third conversation you could see if you could see yourself being physical with

02:02:49.600 him it doesn't take a long time so i just think he just needs more experience he'd probably be a

02:02:53.600 younger cat but he just needs some more experience he just got he got his he just popped got his cherry

02:02:57.280 popped he'll be all right maybe uh i i was thinking uh back when i used to be on on dating apps uh

02:03:08.240 and i'm not on dating apps anymore and i feel like i the women i date now has changed a little bit

02:03:13.760 so my position on this has changed a little bit but my position used to be because i knew what happened

02:03:19.520 when it came to meeting people on dating apps kind of to your point to your point if you're meeting

02:03:24.640 somebody on a dating app you have to go in and i'm not saying that this is how it should be but it is

02:03:30.000 how it is uh you kind of have to go in assuming that they're probably fucking somebody else

02:03:34.560 and so for this reason i was actually like bro i'm not going to be a traditional guy with you

02:03:41.360 if there's a chance you're fucking somebody else or dating multiple other people at the same time

02:03:46.400 a lot of girls do this they'll like entertain other dudes while they're fucking at least one

02:03:51.520 other guy two who knows what they're doing it's like i would feel kind of wrong if i was investing

02:03:56.960 even it's a even if it's a 20 fucking hamburger i ain't gonna pay for a girl on a date and then oh

02:04:04.480 do all the the gentlemanly traditional shit and then you you get the doggy bag to go you take it

02:04:10.400 over to the dude's house who you're fucking who never paid for anything you fucked him on the first

02:04:14.480 date and then you want me to be traditional you want me to pay for a first date i was always like

02:04:19.680 nah we can go 50 50. my views have changed a little bit insofar as i feel like i'm dating different

02:04:24.640 kinds of like well i got off the dating apps dating different kinds of women like vetting them

02:04:30.560 beforehand are you involved with any other dudes i'll just straight up ask like are there other

02:04:34.960 dudes in the picture if there are i'm not interested but back then i'm like yeah these girls are probably

02:04:39.600 dating maybe even fucking another dude not going to pay for the first date and real quick a lot of

02:04:46.000 times women really likes you and she respects your effort she'll offer to pay for the date or do

02:04:51.040 something for you or i'll cook just come no so it's like she didn't offer him nothing but

02:04:56.000 i owe you and he he ate that up like no you're a clown yeah and also just i mean a point on this

02:05:03.680 like in terms of if you want to get the girl you should pay for the date it's just like the most

02:05:07.360 optimum move like even if it's unfair or whatever like you should just pay for that

02:05:12.160 shit because it's just like some girls are going to be like oh okay they're going to have an issue with

02:05:15.680 it so if you're if you're actually your goal is to get the girl like you can do the whole

02:05:18.960 like oh equality the shit but if you're trying to like min max be most optimum when it comes to

02:05:23.760 dating you should you should pay but it's like i like looking at it from principle like if a girl

02:05:30.080 is fucking another dude like you should not be doing traditional shit for like she she can get your

02:05:34.640 providing and protecting when she's your girlfriend when she's your girl but if she like imagine you

02:05:40.400 fucking died for a chick and then like she was gonna fuck another dude that night like what the

02:05:44.320 fuck you know that's a little extreme yeah well it's not extreme it could be that way though you

02:05:49.760 never know like life is life and it could also happen when you're exclusive you know like oh like

02:05:54.880 cheating yeah sure i feel like you are what you attract and if you want a traditional woman you have

02:05:59.520 to be a traditional man dating and relationships is if we honest it's a dice roll it's all it's all a

02:06:04.640 gamble it's all of it is a gamble man you don't know so to come in with this high hopes uh gee golly

02:06:10.800 whiz type of shit like nah bro like you got to be real realistic you know what i'm saying and as

02:06:16.320 a man i'm sorry i never jumped into a situation like i got insurance plans i got friends like like

02:06:21.680 i'm not just blindly just giving you everything like no you're gonna earn this shit and i'm gonna

02:06:26.240 put you in situations where it's not a transactional situation you don't owe me nothing i don't owe you

02:06:30.880 nothing we just get i'm assuming you're talking to a person now sometimes i kind of want you to talk

02:06:35.200 to somebody because now you can compare contrast and say okay i see you gotta let sometimes you

02:06:41.120 gotta let things go to see if it's really worth it so if she's talking to another guy don't be jealous

02:06:45.360 assume that you're she's not your girl she's not in your bed you should assume she's talking to

02:06:50.480 somebody else and you should too you should be talking to somebody else you're just talking i'm

02:06:55.440 not saying you should be having sex with multiple people but if take away the intimacy part male and

02:07:01.040 female in the beginning i don't think there's anything wrong with literally talking to different

02:07:07.440 people you're gauging out who's who and what's what so a man come into a situation well we had a date

02:07:13.520 she told me that we might and i believe her then that's what you get like who where are you from like

02:07:18.800 i don't know it's all about where you're from and how you grow up i grew up in a fast-paced environment

02:07:23.120 so i had to learn quick some people grow up in these rural towns and they just you know old mcdonald

02:07:28.560 had a farm ass upbringing and they try to deal with people you know what i'm saying in different

02:07:33.040 environments they think everybody gonna feel sorry for them but the world is fast bro you gotta catch

02:07:37.280 on quick i grew up in the new york city metropolitan area i learned real early that women say one thing

02:07:43.360 and do something else i've seen all the pretty good girls go with the bad guys so i'm not going to go

02:07:47.520 and say i'm going to save her no i'm going to move accordingly so some dudes just need to get out

02:07:52.320 their neighborhood move from their neighborhood their environment go somewhere else and just you

02:07:57.840 know get get get you know roll they so they royal always get that wind beneath they they wings you

02:08:02.800 feel me like get out get out your head yeah it's going to happen like people get played every day be

02:08:07.840 like get over it like you'll be all right you're a man yeah but andrew um i this sort of ties into some

02:08:13.360 conversations we've covered this topic before uh this one's a little dip a little different but i mean

02:08:19.040 the whole like waiting for sex thing and i think like this is just another example on the pile of

02:08:24.960 this this is the probably every guy has some sort of story like this um and we hear it from the the

02:08:30.720 women on the show too um but andrew does this further solidify kind of at least my position on

02:08:38.240 this when it comes to the whole like waiting for sex thing well not i mean not really um because your

02:08:43.920 idea here is you want disclosure right and you want disclosure so that you can make the determination

02:08:49.840 because you're saying look if if you want to make me wait but you just made this other guy who didn't

02:08:56.240 wait not wait then you have already established that uh you know that she's disclosed this right in this

02:09:03.440 case this guy was victimized now he could say well he didn't have the requisite experience but then if

02:09:08.560 you also say in the next sentence and the thing that will save him from that in the future is getting

02:09:12.400 the requisite experience then we have to admit that he was victimized there's really no way around

02:09:16.400 that right okay so in this case so in this case uh brian i'm not sure how it actually helps your case

02:09:22.320 because you would demand disclosure or else you wouldn't know that she wasn't willing to sleep with

02:09:26.160 you right or that she had slept with another guy so you could apply the standard well it's more so i

02:09:31.040 guess it ties into this whole thing of you're you're dating a girl and she wants to wait and then it

02:09:39.760 it does there doesn't have to even be another guy in the picture but like she previously like

02:09:44.960 she's had some one night stands her last boyfriend they got they hooked up quickly and then you come

02:09:50.400 into the picture and then she's like oh i want to wait three months i want you know whatever it is

02:09:55.840 and i'm just like but how would you know that right i mean i would get the disclosure hope right

02:10:01.440 that's but that's my whole point right it's like so that's why this doesn't actually solidify your

02:10:05.840 position because had he had the disclosure this this whole thing wouldn't have happened to begin

02:10:11.040 with right oh well i'm i'm not really talking any more about that specific situation it's more so

02:10:16.400 just kind of the the general like the waiting the whole waiting thing that i have a quarrel with

02:10:23.040 or like if if look women are free look if if you had sex with a hundred men i mean i wouldn't be

02:10:30.320 interested in you if you had sex with a hundred men but if she previously had sex with a hundred men

02:10:35.600 uh within 30 minutes of meeting them and then i come into the picture i mean that immediately be

02:10:41.120 a disqualifier but okay just for the sake of uh the hypothetical and then you want to make me wait

02:10:46.480 six months to have sex i'm like i'm i'm gonna lose interest can i like i'm just not interested well

02:10:53.120 yeah i mean of course that but but this this has always been your position your position on this has

02:10:57.920 always been pretty consistent which is just i would feel like i was playing second fiddle if

02:11:02.080 you decided that you were going to make me wait and the last 10 guys you were with or five guys

02:11:05.920 or four guys or three guys you immediately went in um that that i mean what why would i do that right

02:11:12.080 what was so special about them that you would do that with them and then not special about me that

02:11:16.560 you wouldn't do that with me so i mean i've always understood the argument yeah it's just a raw deal

02:11:20.720 it's a raw deal for the guy and i would just like i would i would doubt the sincerity of the

02:11:26.160 position it just feels manipulative it's like look you're free to do what you want i'm just

02:11:30.640 probably gonna immediately i've always thought that it was faking virtue that the idea was to take

02:11:35.040 virtue yeah and i mean that's always been my position yeah and there i think one of the girls

02:11:39.200 maybe said it here at the table it's like um i'm trying to think what it was but basically what was it

02:11:47.760 oh it's like okay so they view like the guy who's worthy of the relationship it's like oh you're worth

02:11:55.600 waiting for but it's like so you treated the guy who's most who's deserving of the relationship

02:12:01.920 worse than the boy it doesn't make sense like you're so important to me i treated sex like it

02:12:09.680 was sacred for you but not the other 50 guys who i gave it to on the first night who were

02:12:17.040 fuck boys and we're assholes yeah but that's because i respect myself now brian and i didn't

02:12:21.200 respect myself then right that's because i respect myself now true yeah i i think it's i i do i do

02:12:28.880 think that there's a significant amount of fake virtue that comes with this and the idea is just um

02:12:34.800 uh she's testing you right yeah and uh the the virtue the virtue aspect of this is to say well look i'm

02:12:42.320 i'm virtuous you're virtuous we're all virtuous um when maybe perhaps that's not the case because

02:12:47.840 most of the time i hear them say this is i want to make the right guy wait um the right guy being a

02:12:53.280 guy who i consider virtuous so if you're not sleeping with him because he doesn't want a woman who is

02:12:57.920 promiscuous then wouldn't you just be faking this as a virtue that's that that then becomes the question

02:13:03.760 yeah i think guys got to realize and it's kind of tricky but you got to understand how women

02:13:11.840 speak they're not going to give you the answers they're going to speak in cold sometimes i know

02:13:16.320 it sounds weird i know a lot of guys so black and white and say well she should have said that she's

02:13:20.400 not going to say it if she likes you she's not going to make you wait unless you're a she's a virgin

02:13:27.840 she unless she's a virgin and she's telling you to wait is because she doesn't like you that much

02:13:31.760 she likes you enough to see that you might take care of her but who she who she likes for a

02:13:37.040 relationship and versus who she's attract like who she's attracted to versus who she thinks is safe

02:13:42.000 for her it's two different things and sometimes guys are the safe guy you're not who she's attracted

02:13:47.360 to and we be thinking why is she attracted women are attracted to objectivity regardless of what they

02:13:53.920 say and i think a lot of times men be listening to what women literally say and believe them

02:13:59.440 and she's not going to tell you the answer she's going to reveal certain things and women you all

02:14:03.600 may not admit it but it's true women going to tell and say certain things that publicly feeds their

02:14:08.720 image but behind the scenes they not always going for the super duper nice guy he might be a little

02:14:13.920 rough around the edges he might be going through something they don't want this cookie cutter guy so

02:14:18.640 a lot of guys who come with that cookie cutter energy and get played out they think the woman did

02:14:23.520 them wrong it's like no you too busy listening to women tell you what a man should do instead of

02:14:28.960 just being a man and follow your energy don't be abusive don't be wild but a woman who likes you

02:14:35.200 is not going to tell you to wait she don't even talk like that she's only talking that like that to

02:14:39.440 the guy that no she knows will wait while she actually gives herself to the guy who just be

02:14:44.960 herself and she likes that so i think guys need to learn about women more i don't i don't understand

02:14:51.280 this position though because it just it's from my end it just seems like you're blaming let's ask the

02:14:56.400 ladies this the men say the men say well wait yeah i listened to what she actually said and heard

02:15:03.120 exactly what she said and so yes of course based on what she said i did x thing uh that's how human

02:15:09.520 beings operate right we listen to what each other that's what we have to go on you ever had a girl

02:15:14.480 say stop doing it but you really want to keep going hang on i just listen i just listen listen back

02:15:19.200 okay so i think that the idea here that there's like a special code that is easy to crack or something

02:15:25.360 like this i think that that's uh in in many ways foolishness i think ultimately that men themselves

02:15:32.080 what other barometer do they have to go off of except communication they have to communicate now like

02:15:36.800 with anything you have to utilize your intuition with communication and understand double speak

02:15:41.440 get that from men sometimes too uh but i don't i don't really understand what else you have to go

02:15:46.400 on and if you say well you should have known better even though she told you everything in the opposite

02:15:51.040 just sounds like you're blaming the guy for it and giving the woman a pass i'm not giving her a pass

02:15:55.200 because i know it's like this man you can listen to what people say you're gonna observe what they do

02:15:59.920 i don't listen to what people say i look at what they do i look at the the actions of women i see

02:16:04.400 women say i want a nice guy but do they all do they oftentimes end up with the guy that's cookie

02:16:09.520 cutter and perfect most of the time no so obviously what they're telling you is not what they want

02:16:15.760 so as a man it's like you got children your children your child might say something but you know they

02:16:21.040 mean something else like you're the man you're supposed to have this sixth sense of life that's

02:16:26.000 why we're the leaders we don't everything a woman says is not literally what she wants she's gonna

02:16:31.120 say things because women are trying to protect their image most often than not they don't want

02:16:35.120 to come off like like i know a lot of women and secretly i've met friends female friend to say

02:16:39.600 you know i really want i i want to dress like this but i want people look at me this way or

02:16:43.440 sometimes i want to be a little more liberated or one day i want to try stripping i don't think it's cool

02:16:48.080 but women are not going to always tell you their inclinations you got to just assume and real look

02:16:53.600 at society look at the world we live in if she wants you she's going to give herself to you she's not

02:16:58.560 going to make you wait for no six and seven or eight months and if you believe that because

02:17:02.800 she said that i just don't think you're paying attention to what women actually do you listen

02:17:07.600 to what they say but that's what i'm saying it's all about where you come from where i come from you

02:17:11.360 got to read body language you got to read how people move if i listen to what people said all the

02:17:15.760 time i wouldn't even be here so i'm looking at more than just what they're saying i'm looking at what

02:17:21.120 they're doing but if women are these excellent manipulators as you are kind of pointing out and

02:17:26.560 stating it's a manipulation tactic because they're actually doing the opposite of what they're

02:17:30.080 saying why is there some assumption here then that if this is the case that they're not going to have

02:17:35.600 their actions at least in some way sync up to what it is they're telling you the hundreds and hundreds

02:17:40.160 of men that i talked to for instance they say there was no signs of problems it seemed like she was

02:17:45.520 acting in the exact same way she uh she she told me right she was acting the same way that she told me

02:17:50.880 these red flags were not always apparent right and then bam there's a bombshell like what happened to this

02:17:56.400 poor guy bam hits with he's hit with a bombshell everything's going good everything seems to sync

02:18:00.720 up everything she's saying and doing seems to be uh on par right he doesn't see any of these red flags

02:18:06.080 and then bam gets hit with a bombshell and it's like so if it is the case in the one side you say

02:18:11.440 well they're kind of expert manipulators got to read between the line and if you read between the lines

02:18:16.080 uh you'll know how to kind of crack this code it's like okay but at the same time then why couldn't they

02:18:21.600 just also uh you know sync their words with their actions and trick you that way it seems that seems

02:18:27.280 to be something which happens often she did it for the other guy that she liked she didn't do it for

02:18:32.240 him but he didn't yeah but he didn't know that if you she never did anything just based on that post

02:18:38.640 it was a lot of assumptions and i think i feel it seems like he was talking like a girl to me that's

02:18:43.600 how women talk i don't hear men saying like that talking like that no offense ladies he was talking like

02:18:48.320 he was in his feelings he didn't sound like a man to me he didn't sound masculine to me just because

02:18:52.880 she agreed to eat your food that you bought does not mean she likes you because that's what she said

02:19:00.320 it's intuition it's read between the lines it's she didn't do nothing but just go on dates it's

02:19:05.120 intuition right but all she did was go on dates with him and he said i think it's going good i took

02:19:11.120 her out to eat three times and she can't she actually showed up i think we're going places

02:19:15.120 that's what he believed that's on him can i add something does that mean that his feelings are

02:19:19.920 just completely invalid now is that what you're saying no what i'm saying is he you can't put

02:19:25.760 yourself in situations where you're not getting anything but words i i understand that but some

02:19:30.800 people like when it's happening they can't see for what it is so for you to say like he's dumb

02:19:35.040 he shouldn't have done that i don't actually believe that because i feel like when you actually

02:19:39.680 like someone you can't see that you're getting played or you wouldn't sit there and get played you

02:19:43.360 know what i'm saying so as much as he would have liked the scene that he was getting played i don't

02:19:47.280 think that he saw it and to say that he should have been more of a man he should have been more

02:19:50.640 a man who cares how masculine it is i still think his feelings are valid you know i think if he looks

02:19:55.120 back he's going to say ah because a lot of times when i talk and that's fine but does that invite

02:19:59.920 invalidate his entire experience no but i can't call him a victim you know what i'm saying i just think

02:20:04.400 he was misled and i think he just was not really he's he doesn't really understand the relationship

02:20:09.600 dynamic today and he's very he just very green and bless his heart it's not we need good people

02:20:14.800 like that that's great that he's very green and he just assumed took things at face value that's cool

02:20:19.920 but if you're dealing in this modern world with these modern women and until it's you know she's

02:20:24.800 your woman she's not you're a woman if you want to keep financing dates for a woman that you haven't

02:20:30.080 confirmed that's your woman that's a gamble that you're taking brother yeah it's like a hundred percent

02:20:35.280 but i still feel like he might not have like relationship experience before i still feel like

02:20:40.720 his feelings are valid because say that was his first relationship he's figuring it out he is a

02:20:44.240 hundred percent right in my opinion only because like you got hurt like you didn't know what was

02:20:48.160 happening you didn't know what you're doing so to say just be more of a man i feel like he's learning

02:20:53.040 let him learn like you know no he's learning he's gonna learn to learn there are red flags so the first

02:20:57.760 red flag is first of all you're dating for a year and you're just going on dates like what what are

02:21:03.040 we i mean that's definitely like like like he said i agree with him like us women if we know we

02:21:10.080 like someone we're typically not going to say no now yeah you guys may disagree but if we're being

02:21:17.600 honest yeah we're not gonna be like oh no i'm gonna make you wait for seven eight like that's crazy

02:21:23.760 that's really like crazy but this is we're in 2024 like let's be real that's not even realistic

02:21:29.120 and and he he there were red flags he just didn't see them for whatever the reason was but he has to

02:21:34.480 take accountability for just like we do we all get in bad relationships we live and we learn but you

02:21:40.240 got to take accountability i mean hello but it's that but it's still his story and he's still like

02:21:45.360 you know what i'm saying like i'm not saying that like he should have done what he done and like

02:21:49.680 he should continue doing what he does but what i'm saying is like to invalidate his feelings

02:21:54.880 completely is weird i think he allowed someone to to go on a day for like to date a girl for a whole

02:22:01.120 year and just go on a bunch of dinner dates but it still doesn't take away from what it is and assume

02:22:06.960 we're in a relationship but it is a little strange that he didn't ask to take accountability for he

02:22:11.760 didn't do anything wrong no he just he played he didn't do anything wrong to anybody else he wronged

02:22:17.600 his self he played his self he disrespected his self and his time and his money that doesn't seem

02:22:24.800 like he was if that mattered that much if that mattered that much to him um then that should

02:22:30.320 have been established in the beginning yeah i just kind of reject this idea that men have like some

02:22:35.520 type of six cents crystal ball where they can see in the future and first you know it's not about

02:22:39.840 it seems it seems to me completely reasonable to have uh you know expectations of the opposite sex

02:22:49.360 that they don't lie and mislead you and and fuck a bunch of other dudes while you're dating them that

02:22:53.760 just seems it seems like it seems totally reasonable to me to have that expectation

02:22:57.840 now i understand the argument of saying but andrew in the current modern dating world that's not

02:23:03.600 reality i understand that portion of it right perhaps it's not reality but that doesn't mean that

02:23:09.200 i'm going to bash a guy for having those expectations because totally reasonable

02:23:12.400 expectations to be like well we're not bashing based on what that so i'm sorry y'all based on

02:23:18.480 what that dread said i didn't see anything conclusive from her side that would make me think she's mine

02:23:24.640 or she's waiting for me he's saying it felt like it seemed like he she didn't say you're my guy and we

02:23:31.520 have a future he said she's giving off feelings as if it might be people lie and men do too i've been in

02:23:38.400 a situation where i have friends and i love i'm all for the brothers i'm all for the men i'm off i'm

02:23:43.600 for people period but i'm not going to say whatever just to fit anybody's narrative i got friends they

02:23:48.640 say yo she tripping she doing this and then you'll get you'll really be a fly on the wall for the

02:23:52.880 situation and be like bro you goofy that's not that's that's what you're telling me she did she

02:23:58.000 didn't really do it like that like men embellish too and men lie to themselves too because the girl is

02:24:04.800 cute and it like it's a reddit thread we don't know what she said and the stuff that he said about

02:24:09.920 her isn't conclusive and it isn't enough for me to put all my eggs in one basket and focus on her

02:24:17.600 nothing she did said that um should be i should be focused on this woman he assumed that nothing she

02:24:24.480 said or nothing he said that she said shows me that all you got on a relationship in the beginning

02:24:29.200 is your intuition and the way that people are acting the way that they're moving towards each other what

02:24:34.080 else do you have what was her actions showing up to eat well hang on maybe he thought he was

02:24:38.320 she was traditional like you were saying and was waiting to not give herself away yeah if you're

02:24:42.720 under the assumption and you're being led under that assumption you could say he was wrong that's

02:24:47.200 fair to say that he was wrong but i don't think it's fair to say anything wrong or that he was he was

02:24:52.160 he was out of pocket here i think that it's far it's far more reasonable to say okay i had a reasonable

02:24:57.840 expectation uh that we were inside of an actual relationship moving towards that because that's

02:25:04.160 all of the signs all the signals all the everything uh we're demonstrating that now what else do you

02:25:10.080 have except that conversation intuition what else do you have respectfully what was the signs because

02:25:15.520 if a woman if i'm inviting a woman to eat and she shows up to eat signs but he didn't explain nothing

02:25:21.840 he's that's what he said we so we just assume he tell the truth i'm not going to do that i don't

02:25:25.360 assume people tell the truth what i heard was well i took out what he said okay what i heard was i

02:25:31.520 invited her out to eat she showed up and ate multiple times and that i feel like we are getting

02:25:38.320 somewhere that's not showing me anything now if i took her to eat and she took me to eat then i would

02:25:45.440 say oh maybe she's she's uh she's into me because we're because sex is off the table we're not intimate

02:25:50.960 so we're not having sex what is she doing to show me that i have a chance with her besides showing up

02:25:57.840 to eat nothing so if you are believing that and thinking because she came to eat which most people

02:26:04.160 will do and you think because she came to eat on your dime multiple times that that means y'all are

02:26:10.080 going like for a year that's all on him what i don't know no man who would do that for a year i don't

02:26:15.200 know man that seems that would you do that would you do that well i'm only taking the story at the

02:26:22.480 value of what though so would you hang on hang on hang on hang on what i'm not doing is i'm not

02:26:28.640 reinventing this story i'm only taking it at face value and contending with what the guy is saying

02:26:34.960 now we can add new hang on we can add new inventions to the story in order to make it sound this way or that

02:26:40.880 way i'm literally only contending with what's being said assuming that for right now it's true

02:26:46.000 because we don't have anything else to match it against okay so okay so we don't but but but but

02:26:51.360 as men what do we say we push back when women say believe all women so i'm not gonna believe all men

02:26:55.600 either based on what he said i took out the eat for a year and she gave herself to somebody else that's

02:27:00.240 not what that means when you say when when they say believe all all women they're talking about a

02:27:04.640 specific thing which is essay right and so that's what the point of contention is there i think

02:27:10.000 genuinely speaking i do believe most men's experience in relationships over most women

02:27:15.120 to be honest with you i really do i think that was his chance to take that risk factor of waiting

02:27:20.240 for her knowing or not knowing that she has done something but i feel like that's more on him on that

02:27:26.800 part but morally it's not uh right for her to do that either in my perspective but again i just think

02:27:33.520 it should have been brought up in the beginning if that was that serious and that um important to him

02:27:39.360 then it just should have been asked in the beginning if she was sleeping with other people

02:27:42.720 or not apparently it wasn't such a big thing to her because that's what she's doing um i don't know

02:27:48.080 that's i now this i would say right i have to i have to say it's reasonable it's reasonable to say

02:27:52.800 okay in the beginning we've established firm boundaries this and that i understand the principle

02:27:58.240 behind this and it makes total sense to me but this is why i brought up the hypothetical of for instance

02:28:03.600 if you had genital warts would you disclose it you say yes and it's because you know that the person

02:28:08.720 if they're informed of that is going to make a different decision because now they know the

02:28:13.120 situation i think it's the same thing in this instance that there's some kind of duty or obligation

02:28:18.720 here if you know that this person's moving towards relationship but would not if you revealed that

02:28:22.960 information to reveal that information to them that seems totally reasonable same thing if like

02:28:27.360 a guy was a multiple felon wouldn't you want to know that 100 before establishing or or if they were

02:28:33.040 guilty of domestic violence you would want to know that right so uh and the reason you'd want to know

02:28:38.320 those things is because that's the best way you can make an informed decision about what it is that

02:28:42.560 you're doing so i think that there's a duty and obligation to do that so andrew let me ask you a

02:28:46.240 quick question sure would you take a woman out on dates for a complete year and think that y'all going

02:28:51.360 somewhere and y'all didn't do anything what is going somewhere two weeks but whether or not whether or

02:28:56.560 not i would so so to answer your question directly right of course not but the thing is it's like first

02:29:02.160 first first and foremost right i'll make a couple things clear so here's my olive branch to you

02:29:06.720 i don't know anything about women and i know no shit about dating i've been out of the dating

02:29:10.240 market for years right i'm uh what you would consider to be a logician uh that's basically

02:29:16.400 what i do i run everything through a found prism for christian ethics and logic right i'm not saying

02:29:22.240 that you don't know more about dating than me all of you i'm most certain most certainly no more than

02:29:26.560 i do i'm in no position i don't know anything about about dating at all uh so that's that's kind of

02:29:31.840 my olive branch to you but i can just say here that what i'm not willing to do if i'm if if i'm

02:29:37.520 just looking at it from the prism of uh who's doing the right things who's doing the wrong things from

02:29:42.880 the moral prism from christian ethics from from these kind of standpoints it seems to me that it's

02:29:48.160 completely reasonable to believe a person's telling you the truth and to make inferences that if they

02:29:53.760 know that you want to be exclusive and you know that that's what they're working for even if you

02:29:57.280 haven't established that boundary that they have some obligation to tell you that or they're in

02:30:01.840 the wrong i think that that's totally fair now is that reasonable or does it map onto the reality of

02:30:06.880 the situation no probably not right so you're probably right there like he should have known

02:30:11.200 this he should have known that maybe all of that's true right but i still i still think that i'm going

02:30:16.400 to hold if this is all true her accountable for this and not him because i don't see what he actually

02:30:21.760 did wrong okay we are going to move it on we are going to move it on here uh we have a question

02:30:28.080 here from stifler ask everyone to rate their own looks on the scale of one to ten go ahead seven

02:30:36.160 all right what about you i don't know like maybe an eight

02:30:40.160 eight okay ten all right solid five okay um nine nine okay seven all right i would say a five or a

02:30:54.960 six what about you i say i'm a strong a strong eight okay i give myself a five andrew what about you

02:31:03.760 well with so many eights nines and tens on the panel i could just never be anything less than a

02:31:07.520 10 myself yeah we do have we got the 10 and then we got the nine i just want to say i think all the

02:31:15.520 ladies here are tens i know everyone said so low wait uh question for you uh are all women tens

02:31:26.560 yes okay are all men tens yes you guys are tens too now your attitude can make you

02:31:35.280 less than but we're saying no but it's looks ten everyone here is a ten okay but doesn't it defeat

02:31:42.960 the point of the question if you so you're saying that all people on planet earth are of equal

02:31:47.600 attractiveness i would say everyone's a ten but everyone also has their own opinion of beauty right

02:31:56.160 so i might be attracted to you because that would include you you would have an opinion about beauty

02:32:02.640 as well right yeah but my attraction to people is different than what you know their actual beauty

02:32:08.640 is yeah sure but if by using whatever the subjective standard is that you use to determine attractiveness

02:32:14.000 for yourself right then you could not make the determination everybody was a ten if because

02:32:18.800 you find some people less attractive than others i wouldn't say that i find people less attractive

02:32:24.640 than others i just am attracted to certain people well then that's finding some people less attractive

02:32:30.240 than others it means i have a type doesn't mean that they're less attractive yeah so then the type

02:32:36.960 that you're attracted to is more attractive to you than the type you're not attracted to which means

02:32:40.800 that you're attracted to some people not others so some people let me give you let me give you an

02:32:47.200 example conclusion some people more attractive than other people let me give you an example i think most

02:32:52.000 people would say that rihanna is extremely gorgeous she's a ten but is she my type no but i do recognize

02:33:00.240 that she is a beautiful woman but she's not my type she's okay yeah but so you have less attractiveness

02:33:05.920 towards a woman like this who you also think is pretty right sorry can you repeat that you have less

02:33:12.320 so you're less attracted to this woman but you also understand that she's pretty right you can use

02:33:17.120 whatever metric you're using you can still determine she's pretty yeah however that would still whatever

02:33:22.400 you're attracted to attractiveness right if you're rating physical beauty from your subjective metric

02:33:28.480 then if you're attracted to some people not others then they're less physically attractive

02:33:32.480 than the people you're attractive to right no i i know rihanna is a 10 i know she's perfect but

02:33:39.440 she's not my type what is she attend to you yes she's a 10 i'm just she's not my type then why

02:33:46.560 aren't you attracted to her i don't know the universe made me not attracted to her sexual attraction

02:33:52.800 you got a physical 10 you got a mental 10 sexual attraction is different than physical yeah yeah

02:33:58.160 but we're talking about looks yeah we're talking about physical beauty only that's it so okay is

02:34:02.880 everybody a 10 physically she's a 10. yeah what okay so is it so if that is a case right that you say

02:34:11.440 the physical beauty she's a 10 but you have no attraction whatsoever right then what would you scale

02:34:17.600 somebody that um i don't know it was like a multi-icu burn victim half their tongue hanging

02:34:24.000 out of their mouth right they have a hunchback uh you know the whole top of their face is gone

02:34:29.680 there's bones sticking out there are they attend they're still beautiful is donald trump attend

02:34:36.960 yeah donald trump's a 10 like just every so is donald trump a 10 is he a 10 say i thought we don't

02:34:43.440 get into politics oh we do get into politics well that's not you can you can you can fuck donald

02:34:49.840 trump we ain't talking about it wait question you you're um you're a lesbian if he transitioned to

02:34:54.320 a woman would you like uh dt he is not my type oh no she excuse me are she my apologies i miss she

02:35:01.840 would transition he would trends i don't know i would love to see donald trump as a woman he could

02:35:06.800 be dude i i was saying so before he ended his last term i was like like just to stick it to the

02:35:17.200 the libs like just transition to a woman and just be like i'm the first female president like

02:35:22.160 fuck you guys hell yes that would have been like a massive w no response that would have been funny

02:35:29.840 is who is lizzo a 10 no somebody she said no what the fuck w yeah no wait i don't want to look at

02:35:40.480 i'm sorry like i like no what's wrong wait are you by two there's nothing wrong with lizzo

02:35:45.600 but she in my opinion is not a 10 out of 10 on a scale who said everybody's a 10 the gal next

02:35:54.800 to you said everybody is beautiful and i'm asking is lizzo a 10. she's a 10 to some people you know

02:36:01.200 like what you're saying yeah and actually i think lizzo is gorgeous her skin's flawless you know it is

02:36:09.600 everyone has 10 qualities yeah that's true everyone at least has something on them that is a 10 yeah

02:36:14.320 whether it's your skin we're talking about physical wait wait wait wait what's the what's the 10

02:36:17.840 quality on donald trump go ahead it has to be the hair it has to be the hair is his booty you like

02:36:24.880 his booty don't you i don't think i've ever his height like you'd want to let me let me let me

02:36:30.160 think probably he has he has like eyes eyes yeah yeah oh he has eyes he's human dope you know what

02:36:37.520 i mean i mean he has nice like probably like probably i i haven't you haven't even seen him

02:36:42.480 i don't i need a what's the 10 on trump pull up pull up the mugshot pull up the mugshot okay

02:36:48.800 you're we're we're gonna pull up a photo of trump and you're gonna say what's a 10 on it

02:36:52.320 get that mugshot going uh why okay guys while we're getting that pulled up guys like the video

02:36:57.440 like the video boys like the video also um

02:37:02.080 can we pull up stalin too pull up stalin are we reading stalin yeah okay hold on we're gonna

02:37:12.800 find a wikipedia the young stalin i'll grant you young stalin not or no it should be old stalin

02:37:19.120 because after like the millions of murders and then also pull up uh can we pull up uh who is the

02:37:26.560 argentinian dictator uh fidel castro huh no that's no no no no uh what's his name

02:37:36.560 what's his name uh pinochet oh that's chile excuse me oh my god i'm obviously an expert in latin

02:37:43.760 american geography is rough uh pinochet please excuse me pina pull up pinochet

02:37:49.280 okay saddam saddam saddam hussein oh god osama bin la oh my god

02:37:55.600 what do we have on here pull up osama

02:37:57.680 who nala nala and then now now mal mal mal zay dong mal zay dong you working on it damien and then also

02:38:10.800 um it's gonna be all communist raiding tonight can we should we also do like some like more fascist

02:38:17.280 people like mussolini let's get mussolini in there and then also for the coup de coup de gras

02:38:24.160 well we got a new carl marx then i think the cool de gras coup de gras we also got to pull up the h

02:38:30.880 no no i can't do that we can't pull up h man no is that yeah don't do it really yeah i didn't expect

02:38:38.560 to rate a date tater today okay what do we got what do we got who do we have well i mean it's

02:38:44.880 i want all of them do you have all of them eight too who you got what do you do you have it ready

02:38:52.480 okay let's go trump okay go pull him up where's the the mug shot oh man what do we got f11 is it

02:38:57.120 f11 all right let's get it going oh my god the worst picture i want to say he has some nice

02:39:03.120 eyebrows okay what's he a 10 you know what his hair looks really soft and it's really blonde he's got

02:39:08.240 the 10 and hair softness yes his hair looks incredibly soft oh let's not do it okay let's

02:39:14.160 wait oh no hitler but epstein's okay all right i think i think that goes against something right

02:39:20.080 probably oh community guidelines that goes against community guidelines here do pinochet and stalin

02:39:24.880 we'll leave it there okay you got pinochet do you have stalin young stalin okay look at that

02:39:30.400 oh my goodness strong he has a really good skin he has really good skin okay when you smash pinochet

02:39:39.840 who was this again pinochet would you smash no you wouldn't smash i thought he was a 10 though

02:39:45.040 i wouldn't smash most people oh okay would you smash pinochet no nobody anybody like what okay

02:39:53.280 whatever your loss he said please um and then stalin young stalin do you have young stalin no give us

02:40:00.480 the young stalin young stalin quick damien uh it's okay it's okay it's okay yeah it's doing good

02:40:11.040 there we go yeah that's him all right yeah he's a handsome guy yeah he's a handsome guy yeah you'd

02:40:17.920 fuck him you'd fuck stalin all right would you yes he has good hair who would fuck stalin i would

02:40:22.080 use a nice hair but that's it dude if this guy was alive today he'd be fucking all these

02:40:27.680 fucking lefty fucking libtards he'd fuck all of them he'd be smart sorry am i being that's hilarious

02:40:34.000 no it's true bro he'd be fucking russer he'd be hassan piker holy shit that's true dude he'd be

02:40:39.600 fucking half of twitch bro oh my god okay all right good talk um all right fanboy stalin yeah there

02:40:47.120 you go all right anyways good talk uh okay going back to the whole 10 thing um

02:40:56.400 just pull up john wayne gacy real quick say john wayne gacy do john wayne gacy

02:41:00.800 i do uh i do uh i do have uh

02:41:10.320 a question why is it so difficult for average looking women to admit their average amen

02:41:18.640 i'm you know what i mean no offense that's horrible

02:41:24.480 i'm not talking about you guys obviously you're all all of your tens but all the other women out

02:41:28.240 there that are average they just no i feel average um the whatever podcast has the most

02:41:33.120 beautiful woman in the world we we have the most beautiful i know this i know for sure that the

02:41:36.960 whatever podcast has the most beautiful woman in the world because all you have to do is ask them

02:41:40.320 yeah we just ask them and they tell us because what they say obviously because what they say

02:41:44.480 they're right 100 um

02:41:46.720 uh okay all right so uh here we'll do this and then uh do you think you will be better looking in

02:41:58.320 10 years time so you're 23 better looking at 33

02:42:04.480 it depends better looking in 10 years time

02:42:07.920 i think so i think so maybe oh yeah yeah i think so yeah 20 years time at 43 no

02:42:20.400 okay uh we don't know your age safe to assume mid-20s i think um what was the first one 20 years

02:42:28.320 uh no do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time in 10 years time yeah i don't know

02:42:33.120 know maybe with a pilates membership i mean you're pretty fit right i mean i could always be more

02:42:38.560 fit okay but then like also 10 years of aging you know what my the women in my family they age pretty

02:42:45.360 well i'm not concerned okay uh 20 years time that also the women on whatever have the most beautiful

02:42:52.160 female family members yeah it's true it is true the most beautiful graceful aging i this is i know that's

02:42:58.800 because they oh yeah yeah yeah it's true it's true my aunt's gorgeous she was gorgeous up until

02:43:07.120 she was like 90 flawless skin actually hold on we we do have a message here from meet the kaiser i'd

02:43:14.080 give the h-man a solid nine nine nine nine nine nine nine out of 10 all right thank you guys appreciate

02:43:21.440 it not a 10 h-man doesn't get a 10 unfortunate i guess um better looking in 20 years time

02:43:29.760 i don't know maybe well what do you think not it's hard to say

02:43:35.760 maybe not 30 years time i mean i think i probably not who knows all right that was an answer um you're

02:43:43.360 34 better looking in 10 years time at 44 i think i'll look great at any age i mean so i'll just go

02:43:49.920 ahead and grant that people can be attractive into their 40s 50s etc um i suppose the question is though

02:43:56.000 you're 34 currently do you think you'll be better looking in comparison in 10 years time i'll look

02:44:02.400 just as attractive okay what about 20 years time same 30 years time

02:44:07.760 same 40 years time yep 50 years time i'm gonna look great until i die four

02:44:17.520 the day that you die that makes you less attractive what what happens the day you die which would make

02:44:23.520 you less attractive i'll be in the ground so the day you die she won't be visible i mean maybe not

02:44:30.000 the day i die they'll be in the open casket i guess will you i hope i'll be cremated oh cremation

02:44:36.160 okay so they'll know like embalming like do you think you'll be hotter after you're embalmed maybe

02:44:41.840 because yeah maybe you know they i've never thought i'd have to think about that they can

02:44:46.800 really work magic they put on some makeup put on a little red so you're you know i'd be even

02:44:53.520 more attractive you could be hotter i could be hotter that's crazy yeah they definitely want you

02:44:58.880 to look your best in the open casket you know that's why they put you in a casket but i want

02:45:02.960 to be cremated my ashes spread wow that's yeah but i mean yeah even if you're cremated they usually

02:45:09.120 will put you in a casket and let people come pay their respects and then you get cremated right

02:45:13.520 yeah i don't want that um it's like you croak and then right in the oven yeah that's it

02:45:19.360 it really i don't want i don't want anything better uh so okay um and wait what do you are

02:45:27.600 you a model or what do you do for work again me who's the model somebody's the model i don't know

02:45:31.200 i'm in marketing oh you're in marketing okay and then uh you're 34 were you better looking at 24 10

02:45:37.600 years ago than you are now at 34 um uh at 24 i was just as good looking but i would say when i was

02:45:45.280 like a kid i looked rough no i'm talking about adults i'm just saying going back 10 years 10

02:45:51.280 years 24 same same same okay uh you are 23 will you be better looking in 10 years time at 33 i

02:46:00.240 believe so 20 years time at 43 no okay you're 25 do you think you'll be better looking at 10 years time

02:46:06.320 in 35 yes 20 years time at 45 yes 30 years time at 55 no okay all right uh you're 26 better looking

02:46:16.880 in 10 years time at 36 yes 20 years time 46 yes 30 years time 56 probably not okay you're 25 better

02:46:26.000 looking in 10 years time at 35 yeah 20 years time at 45 no okay

02:46:36.080 you guys heard of this thing called aging yeah yeah you guys heard about that um so i

02:46:41.840 question for you so you'll be i think you said did you say better looking or just the same you'll be

02:46:46.800 the same at 55 the same or better so if i could wave a magic wand that would uh advance

02:46:55.840 your outward appearance 20 years and you stay there for 20 years and it doesn't aid like you

02:47:02.640 don't you're not going to die 20 years sooner you're not going to get cancer 20 years sooner if

02:47:07.040 you were to get cancer uh you're not there's no going to there's not any actual health ramifications

02:47:13.360 strictly your outward physical appearance if we could advance it forward 10 years 20 years 30 years

02:47:18.160 those of you here at the table who say you'll be better looking in 10 years time

02:47:23.040 uh do you take me up on i think every single one of you said you'll be better looking in 10 years time

02:47:29.040 so do you take me up on advancing your outward physical appearance by 10 years um i would say

02:47:34.080 no and the reason why i said i would look better in 10 years time i'm not i can't speak for anyone else

02:47:40.160 but you know skin care treatments taking care of yourself when i was much younger i didn't wear

02:47:46.400 sunscreen i didn't take care of myself like as far as like makeup and like skin care so i think that

02:47:53.280 putting an effort over time and i'll just have more of my life together at that point so i can

02:47:59.680 afford to maybe look better and put more time what would you do in 10 years time that you aren't

02:48:04.720 currently doing now i don't know like maybe skin resurfacing treatments or like you know uh chemical

02:48:10.960 peels like more expensive moisturizers i i don't know i mean your skin looks pretty okay right now

02:48:18.560 granted you are wearing makeup but i don't know and maybe it will look like amazing in 10 years who

02:48:25.920 knows we don't know what technology we'll have well assuming you didn't have access to those

02:48:30.640 interventions does your answer change maybe yeah okay uh what about like for did you say in 20 years

02:48:39.040 time too 20 30 years i don't remember to be honest but i don't i don't i don't i don't think i'll look

02:48:44.320 better but who knows so you just said 10 though i said yeah i said in 10 years maybe okay um so who

02:48:51.280 who takes the deal i'll do it magic wand advance your looks 10 years you stay there for 10 years and then

02:48:58.240 you just continue with your aging you who here takes it oh see i'm only 23 i want to be in my 20s still

02:49:06.160 right now like so no but i mean doesn't everybody want to be better looking personally all of you

02:49:12.960 said you'd be better looking in 10 years time personally i just want to go through all the

02:49:16.160 stages i've seen like photos of my mom and my grandmother and their 20s their 30s their 40s and

02:49:22.640 i just think they look beautiful at every stage so i would want to go through that okay i have uh well

02:49:27.680 i have a follow-up on this um when it comes to like wearing makeup uh why don't if like you look

02:49:36.640 better as you get older why don't women you know there's makeup that's used in theatrics and film

02:49:41.600 for example that can age you and make you look older uh most women are not employing these kind of

02:49:49.360 makeup techniques to make them look older like putting on wrinkles putting on lines this sort of

02:49:54.400 thing why do you think that is if you're going to be more attractive in 10 years time i don't think

02:49:59.280 it's necessarily about like the wrinkles or things like that but for example for me one thing that

02:50:04.640 changed when i got older was just like my face shape and like having a more full face to like my face

02:50:10.720 thinning out a little bit more and to me that makes me your face thinned out as you got older or is older

02:50:17.680 yeah i i don't understand this idea like the what you're talking about like the baby fat or whatever

02:50:25.840 i mean i think perhaps there's a differential here uh what who got this idea that super sharp

02:50:35.280 features on the woman makes her more attractive beauty culture yeah but if you look at like asian

02:50:40.960 cultures for example yeah like more rounded features are typically exemplified in these we're in america so our

02:50:46.560 beauty culture is very different yes even in america though like softer features on women tend to be

02:50:50.560 deemed more uh well it's not that it's one or the other i think a woman with more sharp features

02:50:56.240 can be very attractive but also a woman with more soft rounded features also very attractive i feel

02:51:00.960 like it's whatever fits their face and if a girl does her makeup wrong that will fit their face from

02:51:06.880 like if you do sharp makeup you're supposed to do soft like you're supposed to do soft but it's

02:51:10.560 it's i mean it's a girl thing i guess i suppose if the trade-off is my i lose some of the fat in my

02:51:17.440 face but all the other corresponding things that come with a i don't know if that trade-off is really

02:51:24.720 worth it but i will say that i don't think that having more baby fat made me look bad it's just that now

02:51:31.120 that i'm older i still don't look my age but i like that i look more my age if that makes sense

02:51:37.760 okay um we were going around the table on something it was oh the magic wand do you take it so just to

02:51:47.680 clarify it because you had mentioned it as well i'm assuming that in the 10 years i do have access to

02:51:58.960 procedural things like botox for wrinkles or advanced longevity science you know

02:52:08.080 you know like freaking science biohacking sort of things exercise access to i don't know a different

02:52:15.280 routine to work on musculature and composition so is that out of the picture as well i mean to to be

02:52:22.640 fair i i know these procedures are available i guess i just want really quick before i answer that

02:52:29.360 question uh to the panel here uh a woman at 20 who's taking good care of herself and you know

02:52:37.520 there's not any crazy skin defects or crazy acne or anything just assume normal girl 20 years old

02:52:44.160 um comparing her to herself at 40 and then let's let's um there's different ways we can approach

02:52:52.480 this there's like body and then face let's stick to just face to begin with but i guess we could do

02:52:57.200 body too let's assume she's fit though at 20 and also fit at 40 so there's like perhaps some differences

02:53:03.680 to like the skin right like i mean you start getting like little dots and skin differences and stuff

02:53:09.200 whatever but assume the fitness is like pretty comparable at both ages um do you guys think that

02:53:15.760 a 40 year old woman who has botox and all that is going to be more attractive than the natural herself

02:53:23.920 naturally at 20 some are sometimes that is possible because when you're in your early 20s even late

02:53:31.520 20s sometimes you're not always taking care of yourself because you're grinding you're working

02:53:36.000 longer hours like you're just you're just trying harder in life and i feel like once you get older i

02:53:41.440 would just make a counter argument and say that like you've comparing 20 to 40 like you're just are

02:53:47.280 you saying that the stress from 20 to 40 there's there's no stress that's accumulated in a 20 year

02:53:52.880 period i'm not saying that what i'm saying is do you think having more time for yourself and not

02:53:57.440 doing 20 year olds or 40 year olds are more stressed out 20 20 really yeah it depends it depends on the

02:54:04.240 20 year old and it depends on the 40 year old you know how much easier life was when i was 20 versus now

02:54:10.640 at 35 but i feel but what's the what's the what's the what's the environment it's a different environment

02:54:17.040 right now the 20 year olds right now are stressed the hell out and not even that like you could say that

02:54:21.840 like i mean you could ask a 50 year old man like what's his hardest time he might tell you now

02:54:27.520 and not 20 but then another 50 year old man might tell you when he's a teenager was the hardest time

02:54:31.920 of his life so that stress will have already accrued the i don't know if mitochondrial damage like

02:54:38.960 the the stress has already had its impact

02:54:43.840 so you've already accrued the like supposed damage that would have occurred from the stress

02:54:49.280 but you know when you go through something the first time and you have to learn the tool

02:54:53.200 so then you have a tool so then you're like oh i can get through it next time let's assume the

02:54:56.320 stress level is identical how about that just to make things simple the stress level is identical

02:55:02.160 we're making this question really deep yeah

02:55:04.160 why is this question so deep

02:55:07.680 and it's like we're never going to win this here's the scenario here's the scenario

02:55:11.520 i would argue i mean i'm i'm granting that the stress level is equivalent

02:55:16.320 i genuinely think that the the accumulated and accrued

02:55:22.480 damage from the stress is going to be greater this impact on uh your looks is going to be

02:55:29.040 greater at 40 than what has manifested itself at 20 but i'll just grant that the stress is

02:55:34.720 totally the same whatever so if we're comparing a 20 year old woman to her 40 year old self but the

02:55:43.360 40 year old self has access to what's currently available on the market botox

02:55:51.040 whatever the fuck the other stuff is i don't know which one's more attractive

02:55:57.120 i i would still say maybe the older version because you have more confidence you have more

02:56:00.800 life skills like when you're younger oh my god oh sorry

02:56:03.280 i just wonder why all the beauty products that are anti-aging and none of them are forward aging

02:56:18.400 i've never seen one time a beauty product that was marketed this will age you 10 years i've never i've

02:56:22.800 never seen that never seen any marketing of like this will this will give you more wrinkles i've i've

02:56:28.400 literally never seen that in my life it always seems to be the reverse all the beauty products

02:56:32.400 seem to be oh this will make you look younger this will make you uh you know um well that's it really

02:56:38.640 just it'll make you look younger right that's how they market almost all of them i want to i want to

02:56:42.800 almost grant to you that the 20 year old is shy and then the 40 year old is confident

02:56:52.320 i would say honestly but honestly to that directly i don't want to grant it i think i do feel prettier

02:56:59.360 now only because when you get older you start looking back like oh i can't see what i had then

02:57:03.600 so i do feel like actually in 10 years time i would not i would think that i'm prettier now than

02:57:08.000 at 30 does that make sense well can i ask one more quick question can can the women at the table

02:57:12.640 just quickly raise their hand if they've ever used an item called anti-aging cream

02:57:17.520 some form of anti-aging cream they're retinol any retinol whatever product that is marketed as

02:57:26.480 anti-aging cream any product marketed as anti-aging cream really i have really sure yeah i'm terrible

02:57:34.320 at skin care none of y'all are gonna answer yeah i mean i haven't used a cream but i've gotten botox

02:57:40.000 if that counts really you don't use any type of skin skin cream which is designed to hide wrinkles

02:57:48.960 eliminate them eliminate crow's feet things like that that would be anti-aging cream no i use only

02:57:54.880 natural products like coconut oil and stuff like that everybody does i was always taught you don't

02:58:00.080 start using things unless you yeah i was kind of gonna wait till i was older yeah like when i need it

02:58:04.160 i'll use it but i'm like 20. okay here we'll get everybody well i don't understand what's the

02:58:08.400 coconut oil do you're supposed to use that stuff kind of before you actually get the wrinkles as

02:58:13.360 opposed to uh yeah but what does the coconut oil do what is it they're going to make a moisturizer

02:58:18.240 things does it make your skin look does it it makes your skin look uh better does it i mean it

02:58:24.720 would be the same as using i want to say actually youthful appearance does it i think there is a big

02:58:30.720 difference between anti-aging products and products that treat other things like acne hyperpigmentation

02:58:38.000 there's there's so many products out there that aren't necessarily anti-aging if we're talking about

02:58:41.760 anti-aging like things that are made for mature skin right this i don't understand well let's let's

02:58:49.440 get everybody's answer magic wand do you take the magic wand so yeah i was just gonna say you know i

02:58:54.560 know a lot of beautiful 40 year olds and i think that the one thing they don't like is coming with

02:58:59.680 terms of their age not that they're less attractive i don't think they're less attractive than me but

02:59:04.320 i think it's just it's hard for them to admit that yeah so do you take so yes i would take the wand

02:59:10.800 because i would stop at 35 and i feel like people do look better in their 30s just because they have

02:59:15.040 more of their life together they don't party as much sleep with their makeup on and all that kind

02:59:18.960 of stuff yeah we pick up on habits i can actually but the best things that i've been through i look

02:59:24.640 better after actually like i've had like i'm not like you're making this extreme comparison like

02:59:30.000 these 18 year old women are meth addicted heroin addicted like the average 18 19 year old is maybe

02:59:37.840 okay maybe they're binge drinking on the weekend that damage has already been accrued and they're

02:59:42.800 going to be looking rough in their 30s because of all the drinking that they did it's not like

02:59:47.840 instantaneous you go out and binge drink one weekend and then you're looking rough as

02:59:53.120 fuck it takes time to accrue that shit and that's why like when you see somebody in their 30s and they

02:59:58.000 partied fucking hard it was the first time they went and partied they didn't start looking rough

03:00:03.280 immediately they're rough in their 30s but then they already got through that and they're they got

03:00:08.640 in the healthy lifestyle and now i mean look i'll grant like if you're living really rough like maybe you're

03:00:14.160 gonna get some bags under your eyes and shit but like i just i don't understand this whole

03:00:20.160 oh well the 20 year old who's partying there and then that same they partied and then they're like

03:00:27.680 on the health grind they already accrued the damage to your liver maybe but not necessarily always on the

03:00:35.920 outside but y'all make it out like oh okay they binge drink twice a week yeah not the best thing to do

03:00:40.800 uh but they're not like i mean we could use the extreme like what they're doing fucking heroin and

03:00:46.880 meth and they're all methed out and shit and then they've been sober for 10 years like is that the

03:00:51.440 example we're using or we're using like the average amount of some that somebody parties which i don't

03:00:56.240 think is going to like manifest itself immediately and like immediate outward damage i guess just the

03:01:02.160 things you go through such as college the partying and then when you accomplish that you kind of like

03:01:06.480 feel better about yourself and so then you get in a what about okay 35 year old woman who is uh

03:01:13.040 going through a divorce how about her well sometimes people glow up after breakups i mean

03:01:19.920 my horrible relationship i got hotter after um do you take the wand i would take the one she takes

03:01:27.280 the wand you take the wand i'm a little bit confused about the one the wand it uh it advances your

03:01:32.400 physical appearance just your physical appearance 10 years time you stay there for another 10 years

03:01:36.960 and then you age accordingly uh you don't you're not going to die sooner you're not going to get

03:01:41.840 health problems sooner just your outward appearance we advance at 10 years you don't take it yeah who

03:01:48.800 said they would take the one real quick every other girl besides her i said no and because i remember i

03:01:53.040 said oh you don't take the one yeah they all take the one so here's so here's the deal uh the crucible

03:01:58.720 and whatever podcast will actually pay to have cosmetic surgery done to you so that we can add

03:02:02.800 wrinkles to your face it's completely harmless right thank god i said no way hang on they'll they

03:02:08.720 make a mock-up model of you and your face right it's 100 safe and they will go in right and they will

03:02:16.320 definitely age your face forward by 10 years who's who's where's my takers i'll pay for it we will

03:02:21.680 raise your hands who's my takers you're gonna take it yeah right bro i just wanna see i mean i feel like

03:02:27.600 this do we have it in the discord damien can you pull up the discord see if we have yeah they're

03:02:32.320 going to age us like we do okay uh we'll do it we'll wait until she's back from the bathroom while

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03:03:02.080 i'm going to be streaming world of warcraft on twitch and then um shout let's pull up the discord

03:03:08.560 uh we'll we'll pull that up after we go through the stack on discord guys discord.gg

03:03:12.960 slash whatever let's get that pulled up uh so we'll do that before we go to the age stuff we'll go to the

03:03:18.080 uh go ahead oh okay we'll do oh yeah no i said no all right i said no next why do i look so angry

03:03:28.720 damn that's 10 years or 20 years

03:03:31.520 like that is not 10 years next my family doesn't look like that

03:03:36.080 let's see you look the same you look the same hey she's right that coconut oil for real all right

03:03:43.120 next disgusting wow yikes why what's going on with the upper chest area i feel like these are

03:03:51.360 not 10 years realistically not 10 years we have cooties no

03:03:55.360 horrible that's like that's bad that's hot next yeah that's not that is definitely not 10 years

03:04:02.480 time it's terrible it's like 20 years it's like 30 years yeah 30 damn

03:04:10.000 dibs what the i took some milk next oh i wasn't even involved

03:04:25.040 oh that's it yeah oh wait we got andrew hey that's andrew looking good

03:04:31.440 okay all right of course i like that all right thank you thank you oh and then uh

03:04:40.800 let's uh oh pull up the other stuff on discord got the other stuff like from the intro guys

03:04:46.720 discord.gg slash whatever me and andrew have a big announcement guys you for you nerds out there

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03:04:57.360 the bingo card guys if you want to play bingo during the during the thing and then guys me and

03:05:02.240 andrew we're teaming up boys for the horde we are playing why can't i find it what the

03:05:09.680 there it is lower the volume a bit pull it back up pull it back up pull it back up hello

03:05:17.920 all right guys the world of warcraft tab go to discord.gg slash whatever me and andrew

03:05:22.640 we're we're starting a guild boys we're starting a guild now boys this is going to be serious

03:05:30.640 shit bro we're going to be clearing molten core easy why wait wait why does that say that alliance

03:05:35.760 i can't play with you guys but it's alliance no it's horde yeah we're not we're not doing alliance

03:05:42.480 wait what what did you say we're not doing it we're not we're no way if it's alliance no i said i

03:05:49.040 said horde didn't i oh okay i don't think it says yeah we can't can't do alliance no lines yeah we're

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03:06:12.720 good talk okay um what were we we're talking about the rating thing or whatever the magic wand

03:06:24.080 magic wand yeah um oh here final question on this do you think men will find you more attractive

03:06:30.800 in 10 years time as compared to now i don't know i'm not a man uh

03:06:37.760 um i don't know uh yes yeah we'll go with yeah okay physically attractive to clarify uh probably

03:06:53.600 not okay probably okay i think so no okay it depends on their age i feel like they always like 10 years

03:07:02.080 younger so so if they're 10 years older than if i'm 35 they're 45 they probably will you know

03:07:07.760 they'll always like younger that's what i'm saying no okay uh no

03:07:16.000 okay good talk good talk all right guys uh we're doing something a little new today um i have here

03:07:24.240 um i have them fill out a questionnaire it's the first time we've ever done this in addition to all

03:07:30.160 the pre-show notes we have uh it's a lot so we probably won't be able to get to everything uh

03:07:36.160 uh i have them do a little circle for all the all my toxic positions that they disagree with um

03:07:43.840 the first one though that we're going to start with is the bear uh so going around the table would

03:07:49.920 you rather cross paths with a man or bear in the forest

03:07:56.480 um random man random bear like literally like lit we're being so literal right now i would have to

03:08:03.120 say i don't want to say that though um well what did you write on the i think i left it blank to be

03:08:08.560 honest with you like you did leave it blank i just looked at it and you do have to answer though

03:08:14.720 it's a hard it's not a hard question

03:08:19.360 and by the way i feel like this is a bad comparison to be completely honest though so like you're not

03:08:24.000 allowed to change your answer whatever you wrote here you have to say it like are we talking about

03:08:28.880 like any man random okay so it's a random man a random man okay look here's the scenario

03:08:34.480 because i was taught to run from a bear so i know how to run from a bear is it a brown bear a white

03:08:38.160 bear it's a pink bear oh then a bear hold on here's the scenario okay i mean it was already kind

03:08:45.760 of written but you could have just read it but you randomly spawn in the forest you randomly spawn just

03:08:56.400 there okay then two buttons spawn in front of you one of them would spawn a random man the other

03:09:04.240 spawns a random bear so you get to pick which one spawns

03:09:09.760 so i would say a bear you can't change your answer you got whatever you wrote here you have

03:09:14.080 to say what it's just whatever you wrote in the thing i only say a bear because my family used to

03:09:18.320 go bear hunting so i know how to run okay so you pick bear yeah i picked bear okay i said depends on

03:09:24.080 the man well it's a random man you don't know that's why i don't bear okay i picked bear bear

03:09:31.520 man because i thought he was manly when i read it i didn't know that it was gonna be some random

03:09:37.520 strong does it change honestly yeah oh so now bear it depends on who it is but yeah but it's a random

03:09:43.360 so it could be then i don't trust that he's i guess a strong monkey man it could randomly be wait

03:09:48.880 wouldn't wouldn't that be a scary man if he's a strong an elderly man because then he can protect

03:09:54.480 me no no no it's not a bear and a man he's not protecting you from the bear there's either a man

03:10:01.120 or a bear like you're one-on-one with a man or a bear oh i was thinking like just he could protect

03:10:06.160 me in any situation in the woods let's just assume but yeah i get what you're saying it'd be bad

03:10:11.600 that's a really strange answer anyway like what if the random man spawned and he's like oh i don't

03:10:16.320 give a shit about you protect yourself that's a possibility uh he gives you to the he was like

03:10:23.760 my chances of surviving in this forest without you greatly increased yeah why don't i trust my

03:10:29.840 survival instincts over here okay i guess i picked bear then uh i said man but i changed my answer

03:10:37.360 to bear i thought we couldn't change okay i say man all the way wait so bear bear can i change my answer

03:10:46.320 yeah well you want to change it yeah but you said we couldn't so i was sticking with the script

03:10:52.560 but originally you wrote yeah originally i wrote bear change it might be a grizzly bear and i don't

03:10:58.160 i don't fuck with those and i'd rather fuck with a stranger in the woods than a grizzly bear okay um

03:11:07.600 so those of you uh two questions then those of you who said bear

03:11:11.920 why like why why do you pick the bear and then why don't you pick the man

03:11:19.840 see i would pick the man if i could have the choice of man but since i don't have the choice

03:11:23.760 i pick bear because wait can you tilt your mic down down a little bit yeah there you go yeah but i i say

03:11:32.080 pick bear because like i don't humans sometimes are unpredictable and if it's a random person i don't

03:11:37.600 know what they're going to do and a bear like they're just nature they just probably will run

03:11:42.080 at you and you kind of just yeah so just so i understand this correctly essentially i think

03:11:46.400 what you're saying is with the man while the bear could kill you with the man the man could also kill

03:11:52.720 you he could also assault you in other ways is that a fair assessment but the bear might be nice

03:11:57.520 might kill me okay we'll come back to that what about you what so why do you pick the bear why don't

03:12:02.080 you pick the man i have two answers um why i picked the bear i grew up in rural arizona so i feel

03:12:11.280 like i and i went camping all the time seen lots of bears i feel comfortable in that situation for one

03:12:18.400 and then two a man a random man and a random bear a man could potentially take away my dignity and then

03:12:27.840 kill me whereas bear will just kill me so i mean or like i'd eat you and let you die slow well i mean

03:12:36.000 a man could do that too sure sure um how many just but have you encountered a bear before i have yeah

03:12:43.360 how many men have you encountered a lot there's hundreds of thousands i i deal with men all the

03:12:49.440 time for my job yeah but like just walking down the street yeah like you've how many men do you think

03:12:54.160 you've like just walked by i'm not entirely millions i wouldn't say millions maybe you were

03:13:00.160 in a classroom start adding these up you were in a remind me thousands at least certainly thousands

03:13:05.680 right it doesn't matter the statistic of how many men i've gone past because if we're being quite

03:13:12.320 honest the amount of men who have done horrible things to me is pretty high of those situations

03:13:17.440 what's the percentage um enough for me to not to to not feel safe around men by myself not to feel

03:13:27.680 safe okay yeah all right before uh we'll get everybody's answers before we get into uh any of

03:13:32.320 the details so um what about you uh what was the question okay why do you pick the bear okay and why

03:13:41.600 don't you pick the man i think the bear is more predictable and with the man i have questions

03:13:47.760 why is he alone in the middle of the woods what we know like um why am i alone with him i just

03:13:54.640 i don't know what he's gonna do i i don't think this is going to change your answer but in the scenario

03:13:58.640 i gave um he randomly spawns yeah so you like click the thing man oh what am i doing here what the

03:14:05.600 fuck yeah so there's no like there's not this could be a guy who's saudi arabian he's not just

03:14:11.920 wandering comes in directly from north korea or this could be a guy who's from albuquerque new mexico

03:14:17.600 working the night shift at at ralph's right so that's that's what you're dealing there's not

03:14:22.080 like a motivation as to why he's in the woods really okay i still wait actually i do want to uh

03:14:30.000 do you think men who are like in real life who do go into the woods or go on hikes like do you think

03:14:38.320 like what percentage of those men are like going to that environment with this like express intent

03:14:45.920 to like go victimize a woman i have no idea but i love camping and i car camp often and i've had times

03:14:53.760 where there was just a random man like looking in my car and just like standing in front of my car

03:15:00.240 i don't trust it so okay something bad happened okay sure um all right uh what about you i i initially

03:15:10.640 put bare you you're switching your answer but i switched it to man okay yeah that's your genuine

03:15:16.240 you know i think physicality wise i trust myself to be able to defend myself against a

03:15:23.520 man irregardless of the weight or stature versus taking a chance on an animal like a wild animal

03:15:31.280 but you're still even if you pick the man like still like you're still assuming that the man

03:15:39.120 poses like a risk essentially no i mean not not intuitively not innately maybe if you okay sure

03:15:48.800 what about you i mean i don't feel safe hiking alone sure so i would not feel safe with a man

03:15:54.800 in the woods because they are the higher percentage of psychopaths as well so that it's also what what

03:16:02.640 percentage of men are psychopaths because it's a random man over women it's like in the 90s wait 90

03:16:08.720 percent of men are not not 90 of men but over women no that's not true psychopathy doesn't even exist

03:16:15.120 psychopathy is not in any any uh american um psychological book any of the dsm's uh psychopathy

03:16:24.080 is not even there i saw something that's things you would associate with psychopathy doesn't even

03:16:27.840 exist let's just grant it though what percentage of men are psychopaths

03:16:34.000 i just saw something that like you walk by a certain amount of psychopaths on the street and the

03:16:38.640 percentage higher is men yeah but what percent i don't know but i mean you could look at serial

03:16:44.640 killer statistics and they're mostly men so you could i guess make a percentage off of that

03:16:51.600 i mean so if uh i i don't understand though so like let's say the percentage is

03:16:57.600 0.0001 in women and it's 0.0002 in men

03:17:07.920 i i like that that would be yeah i think i meant just more serial killers

03:17:14.160 which are all which is super right you know how rare serial killers are what what percentage

03:17:18.640 and women are also very much um it's it's up in the air how many women are serial killers because they

03:17:24.160 kill stealthily versus overtly so uh especially in nursing health care things like this when they're

03:17:30.320 in positions of caretaker roles that's when women tend to kill the most um men on the other hand they

03:17:36.960 just do it much more violently right yeah i was talking about in the woods technically but so what

03:17:41.200 give us what's the percentage of serial killers i guess now we could look it up

03:17:46.000 do you okay how about this do you think it's less than one percent

03:17:52.400 of what the male population is less than one percent is a lot so probably maybe yeah you think

03:18:00.000 so you went to high school right yeah i graduated college how big was your high school um like 2 000

03:18:05.920 people your class or the whole all four my class my class so there were 8 000 people at your yeah i went

03:18:11.360 to a big high school okay so fourth out uh so i'll give you the clarification brian real quick yeah

03:18:18.000 roughly 1.2 percent of adult men in the united states are considered to have clinically significant

03:18:22.800 levels of what are considered psychopathic traits compared to 0.7 percent of adult women however the

03:18:29.760 traits with which they consider to be psychopathic um does not actually make you a psychopath right so

03:18:37.280 um they're looking at things like um hang on let me pull up the traits here it would be things like

03:18:45.120 communication um other things like lack of empathy but these things are lower in men anyway and those

03:18:51.920 things on their own don't actually create the conditionals for any type of uh borderline personality

03:18:57.840 disorder so hard to say exactly but even by the metric it seems that um while it is true that men

03:19:05.040 would slightly outnumber them this seems like it's a trait problem we're associating it with traits

03:19:09.920 that are more masculine yeah violence yeah but so what can you just what percentage of men do you

03:19:17.040 think are serial killers it's very low i know i shouldn't have brought up the percentage thing i was

03:19:22.960 just saying that they outnumber the woman well so i wouldn't feel safe in the woods with them

03:19:28.800 okay okay um all right what about you i just think like men are unpredictable and unpredictable

03:19:40.960 yeah bear is predictable bear predictable okay and then i don't think you picked bear uh this is a

03:19:45.920 point andrew's brought up before to those i think you said predictable you said predictable

03:19:50.480 unpredictable uh just curious so if you walked up to a man and patted him on the head

03:19:59.200 versus walking up to bear and patted the bear on the head maybe a little rough you know a little

03:20:04.000 hard uh which one do you think is going to react more violently towards you is this the same thing

03:20:17.920 a random man am i saying yeah random man random man or random bear if you just walked over to any

03:20:23.200 random guy like right now in santa barbara you were just walking down the street you walked over to

03:20:27.040 some random guy he just patted him on the head versus if you're walking down the street in santa

03:20:31.520 barbara and he walked over to a black bear and patted it on it on the head what do you think

03:20:35.040 the outcome difference would be it's the bear the bear is predictable wait no she picks the bear

03:20:41.360 no i know you pick the bear but if you patted the bear on the head versus patting the random guy on

03:20:46.640 the head what do you think the result would be the result difference would be do you think that the

03:20:50.960 bear would oh i don't know if you went over and try to pat it on the head perhaps eat your face

03:20:55.200 whereas the man would not likely right yeah

03:20:59.600 i mean makes sense but if i'm in the middle of the forest or woods and a bear and a man spawn i'm

03:21:08.800 not going to pat either of them on the head yeah but which one would pose a bigger threat

03:21:16.480 if you were to do this obviously a bear but that wasn't the original question sure but i mean it helps

03:21:22.560 further kind of articulate the risk factor here but um and then what do you pick i guess or your

03:21:29.280 thoughts on that i guess you're it kind of supports your theory like the questions are like supporting

03:21:35.600 your theory on how like i i think like a man could do a lot of things he could kill you he could

03:21:44.320 essay it could be a different a lot of different things but a bear yes could kill you yes it would

03:21:49.040 be the bear can i say something one quick question then i'll let you come right in just uh one other

03:21:54.560 follow-up question here um i'm assuming a lot of you guys either directly or implied there's a

03:22:02.320 risk when it comes to the men you're fearful of essay with this man alone in the forest um so my

03:22:08.400 question is what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to victimize you in this way i don't

03:22:18.640 think they feel inclined i this is going to sound terrible i just feel like some men don't know that they're

03:22:23.600 even doing it like they genuinely are just so ignorant to what they're doing they're they're

03:22:28.320 in their world they're living in it well this would not be like a a date grape scenario yeah i know where

03:22:35.280 they're so this is like he would have to like essentially violently assault you in this so we're

03:22:42.480 talking about violently assault because like say if i'm at a bar and like a guy that comes by like

03:22:47.680 touches my ass and he just keeps grabbing he might think that if like i don't turn around and say

03:22:51.760 something that he's just allowed to keep touching me do you know what i'm trying to say like i feel

03:22:55.120 like sometimes they think that they're entitled they don't even realize what they're doing they're

03:23:00.240 sexually assaulting someone but they don't even realize like so i'm not saying like i don't know

03:23:06.400 sometimes i think also men think that it doesn't matter how many no's they get as long as they get a

03:23:12.880 yes or as long as you stop saying no and that's not the same as a yes or as long as you don't say

03:23:19.440 anything yeah as long as you don't say anything not all men but some men like i'm not saying that

03:23:24.960 all men but like i think a lot of men just genuinely don't know what they're doing and that that that

03:23:30.240 in the harm that they're doing because they're just feeding their own ego in a way okay so i mean even

03:23:35.280 i suppose granting your expanded definitions of uh you know or granting the definition how your

03:23:42.960 definition excuse me mumbling over my words here granting how you view these certain crimes or

03:23:50.960 whatever uh going ahead and granting that what percentage of men are going to do that in a

03:23:57.680 given situation then i suppose i'll say 40 40 okay um for me it doesn't matter percentage if there's even a

03:24:10.400 one percent possibility i would rather die by a bear than be raped even if it was one percent

03:24:16.320 well let's try to use uh like essay sorry sorry sorry um essay i would write i'd even if it was one

03:24:22.800 percent yeah but you don't think it's one percent do you i don't know what the percentage what do you

03:24:27.040 think it is of men that would do that that would be capable so it's a it's a random man out of the

03:24:33.440 population random man so what percentage of men in the population do you think would be

03:24:40.080 would do this or would be inclined to doing that in the scenario presented in that exact scenario

03:24:48.480 i don't know maybe maybe 20 maybe like 15 it's not it's not 20 we'll say 20 what do you think i don't

03:24:55.920 know the percentage but i remember when i was in college reading something that's saying that like

03:25:00.640 one in every four college student females will be essayed or something like that so i'm gonna say

03:25:08.320 maybe two percent i don't know okay before we get into well okay go ahead it's how so 25 for you

03:25:19.360 you said one in four so you're going off that so 25 i mean i'm not everyone's in college i don't know

03:25:24.320 i'm just gonna say two percent because i have no idea two percent yeah two percent is a lot different

03:25:29.040 than one in four it is but in college you're going out you're partying i'm trying to consider that

03:25:33.600 so i'm just gonna say two percent all right two percent all right i'm sorry just to clarify so it's

03:25:37.920 what percentage i feel any given man yeah is inclined to aggressively act out just yeah two percent okay

03:25:48.720 like 10 or 15 10 or 15 more than one percent definitely so yeah good well yeah okay more than one

03:25:54.560 percent could be 99 okay two percent okay and then you're well you didn't pick pair and make me feel

03:26:00.400 safe like not all men but like sure where my other person is as long as they make me feel safe yeah wait

03:26:06.320 so um i'm actually kind of surprised because andrew we've we've asked this frequently we've had we this

03:26:13.760 this is the one of the first times we've had such low numbers given uh there's there those were pretty

03:26:21.040 high numbers well the one andrew a couple of girls said one percent two percent that's low

03:26:26.800 comparatively speaking um but we did get a 40 from you and a 20 from you i said like 15 or 20 15 or 20

03:26:35.520 okay um so you said 40 but with the question i was the first answer did you mean like literally

03:26:41.280 initiate or just like to think about doing stuff like that because i answered on basically like do men

03:26:47.200 have those thoughts and want and are entitled to do it i think for i mean i would still think 40 40

03:26:51.760 percent of men want like they're fantasizing about uh essaying women i still think that's pretty high

03:26:59.440 but or being with women they can't have so yeah that's what the conversation wait y'all hold on

03:27:04.160 wait that's wait that's a little different fantasizing about a woman that they can't have

03:27:08.960 uh don't y'all fantasize about like well that's not men who y'all can't ever have

03:27:13.440 fucking nfl players uh athletes famous musicians no you don't you don't have like a celebrity crush

03:27:20.880 no i do not that's fucking bullshit y'all it's a part of my disorder i literally do not i don't think

03:27:27.200 it's like are you saying it's like like uh mental essay for a guy no what i was saying have a sexual

03:27:33.520 fantasy with like a famous woman or something no i thought you were saying they have those thoughts

03:27:38.320 that's it that was all what do you think what do you think what do you think one of the most common

03:27:43.120 if not the most common sexual fantasy of women is i don't know i know i have no idea that's actually

03:27:51.120 a really good argument that's a fantastic argument yeah it's it's yeah maybe you're referring to

03:27:56.800 what do you think the most common sexual fantasy of a woman is i don't know a british accent yeah

03:28:15.520 definitely that word it's dominance bingo i mean yeah no i mean it's no it's a much

03:28:22.240 it's uh it's much more than that they have uh grape fantasies

03:28:30.800 not all i don't like i don't like so i'm just gonna i'm hang on i'm just gonna go off the facts

03:28:37.120 here all right we'll make sure that we we all get it right uh number 10 strangers in the night

03:28:42.800 um nine group sex um seven laying you out on display for other people to see meaning you're

03:28:52.000 having sex in front of other people six sexually ravaged uh five or i'm sorry four

03:29:00.240 to leave it as a tip and then uh two strap on i'm going in that's pretty brutal right the

03:29:07.440 fuck is uh and then number one is essay fantasies number one that doesn't mean there was not a

03:29:17.360 single thing i think you said that i fantasized about i'm not gonna lie same well okay uh while

03:29:23.360 that could be true i just want you to understand that there's all sorts of things which i'm sure

03:29:28.160 would be attributed attributed to the majority of men that perhaps could not be attributed to me

03:29:32.960 here's a really good one i have blue eyes that's really really really rare in men right but that

03:29:38.560 has nothing to do with how common brown eyes are right so even though i don't fit the mold

03:29:43.520 it doesn't really mean anything i'm not saying anybody here has fantasies of being s8 i'm just

03:29:47.840 saying that it's the number one fantasy well it's what is i got something on this yeah it's this is

03:29:55.600 a uh this was a lot um for one he just said um that was a list of women's fantasies top 10

03:30:05.760 top 10 reported by women yeah now remember previously how i told you that women say something

03:30:11.440 and do something else now if you ask the common women they just said that's their biggest fear but

03:30:16.560 you just did a poll that that's their biggest fantasy so you see how women can say one thing

03:30:20.480 and think and do something totally different so i just want to say that two it's very alarming that

03:30:26.480 women would rather take a chance with a wild animal who is extremely unpredictable over a man who can

03:30:34.160 possibly not do none of those things that there is a potential with a man there is no potential with

03:30:39.040 the bear none he's going to kill you or kill you later so for women to pick the bear over a man who can

03:30:46.000 potentially build a fort with you make a campfire and just totally assume he's going to hurt you

03:30:52.320 just it's just very disturbing that women have these or at least they say they have these fantasies

03:30:58.160 that men will just do this they just assume such negativity about men it's just kind of disturbing to

03:31:03.280 hear that it's like i would never take a chance with a wild ravaging bear than a human being when i

03:31:09.440 have a chance to i can't even talk to the bear you can at least bargain with the man maybe you just

03:31:14.640 discarded the the the the common interest of talking over a savage beast it's just crazy how

03:31:21.440 women think today no i think it's disturbing that we've been in positions where we feel that way

03:31:25.840 yeah rather than wait can i uh oh go ahead go ahead no i do yeah that's what but that's that sounds

03:31:33.200 good but according to the list the number one fantasy of women is the thing that you all are saying

03:31:39.600 that you hate that doesn't mean we want it to happen to us in real life i don't believe you do i'm just

03:31:44.240 saying it's just a contradiction it just it just shows the duplicitous contradictory nature of

03:31:49.920 women that i spoke of earlier but if you i'm not saying y'all feel this way i'm just saying it's just

03:31:58.480 proof of the contradictory nature of following what women say as according to what they do because if

03:32:04.640 i feel like most women should feel how y'all feel but according to his poll the number one thing was

03:32:10.480 the most appalling thing that they're saying out of their mouths and it's just contradictory like

03:32:15.040 when that movie shades of gray came out women love that a fantasy isn't a safe situation it actually

03:32:20.880 happening in an abusive way is not something yours how is assault a fantasy and also let me add to this

03:32:26.720 a lot of sa victims will fantasize over trauma their trauma even though it was a bad experience for them

03:32:32.560 they then fetishize their own trauma as a man i would never fetishize somebody beat and you're a

03:32:37.120 man we are women yeah i don't like i say what y'all saying what y'all do is two different things it

03:32:42.000 don't make sense i don't see how you can fantasize about something that you put on that you deem is

03:32:46.160 so negative you don't understand but it's just genuinely science like it is that that do fantasize

03:32:51.920 over no they end up being well they end up being that they turn all the way over and that's what they

03:32:58.080 i would also like to ask i guess what is the percentage of these like the this statistic

03:33:05.120 that we got in from the poll how many women what country were they from what age demographics

03:33:10.720 were they like there's just so much so many other questions how many women around the i'll tell you

03:33:15.920 the answers to that so this is centered around mostly the western world these polls were done between

03:33:21.040 australia uh western europe and the united states canada things like this and the way that they

03:33:28.320 gathered the data was from dating sites for the most part they gather them from dating sites uh women

03:33:34.080 tend to be more honest in the background of those instead of men and that's how they can gather up

03:33:38.320 different preferences and also what women commonly search for when they're looking for um you know corn

03:33:44.880 for instance uh what they're what they're searching for there you can gather the data that way as well

03:33:49.760 and this is what we come up with now men got all kinds of freaky too don't get me wrong right they

03:33:55.200 got all kinds like the the thing that they top one of their top searches pretty gross right but uh so

03:34:02.240 so i understand the both sides thing right i'm not even necessarily saying i've always thought that the

03:34:08.080 thing about this that was so bothersome to me in a different way is that women most commonly say

03:34:14.240 well if a man spawn in the forest when they say i would choose him over the bear he's going to protect me

03:34:19.760 and i've always thought well that's pretty assumed entitlement right it's pretty assumed entitlement

03:34:24.240 that she's instantly assume any man in the forest is it has some obligation to protect you like i would

03:34:30.080 just be like well i'm spotting in with you but i don't know you good luck hope you don't die i'm

03:34:34.560 getting out of this forest now see you later but it's always that that has always been the detail the

03:34:40.720 answer that has bothered me i understand why so here i'll give you an example let me give the let me give

03:34:48.000 this question back the other way to brian atlas and to the gentleman who's there would you rather

03:34:52.960 be spawned into the forest with a random bear or with a gay prisoner random gay prisoner so there's

03:34:59.520 no it could possibly be that he has no intention of course of uh essaying you because it's random

03:35:05.840 right but you know also there's is the chance that he could would you prefer to be spawned in with

03:35:11.520 the bear or with the gay prisoner random gay prisoner by the way gay prisoner gay prisoner

03:35:17.600 gay prisoner i take the gay prisoner was he gay before he went to prison i'm gonna take the human

03:35:22.400 every time because we can i don't have to do nothing with you but you're you're a human you

03:35:26.800 have arms and legs you can help me pick some shit up like i can't do nothing with no beer 100 yeah i

03:35:31.360 think that that that seems reasonable to me it's within the confines of reason it's like okay but now

03:35:36.560 they're in the same position you're in so now they could easily also be overpowered by this person

03:35:41.920 this person ought me they even have more information they know that this person likely has more

03:35:46.880 volatility than the average person and they are in the same kind of vulnerable position but according

03:35:53.760 to reason they go well but the chances are still way better even with a gay prisoner than they would be

03:35:59.920 with a bear so this is how you put you're taking your position putting it on them but the answer is far

03:36:05.200 different and so you kind of wonder why that is in fact i would even go so far as to say this

03:36:09.920 uh somebody said with the essay the dignity aspect that's terrible for women when they get essayed

03:36:14.880 absolutely but think about it from a man's perspective for a man's dignity whoo that's brutal

03:36:20.000 as well and so yet they're still willing to take the chance the other direction and so it makes you

03:36:24.960 wonder why and makes you really quick andrew personal even i think even granting if this gay prisoner

03:36:30.800 is like 30 percent faster and stronger than you you still take it you still take it yeah

03:36:37.280 i think they i think that you can continue with the conditionals to the point where almost it almost

03:36:43.280 would seem more reasonable to take the bear if and most men would still take the idea of the gay

03:36:49.120 prisoner because they're just looking at the chances of if a random gay prisoner spawned in with you

03:36:54.720 um that this person could at least be reasoned with and a bear is going to eat your face right

03:37:01.040 yeah and now and i just felt like i said it's just real disturbing disassume negativity when it comes

03:37:06.000 to men like even when he brought up the uh the poll of the women your first response was well where

03:37:11.120 they're from it's like when it comes to these these lists with women all this nuance is required

03:37:15.280 but when it comes to men it's just assumed that they're going to do that but you don't ask well

03:37:18.960 what's his upbringing what's his mentality like where is he from those questions are not asked when it comes

03:37:23.200 to men when it comes to women it's like all we need all this nuance and it's just like i feel like

03:37:27.200 modern women live in this world between fear and fantasy i want to bring up something about when

03:37:34.080 you're done they they they uh they're in this even when it comes to stuff that women watch women like

03:37:39.280 to watch a lot of you know uh romantic films of these fantastical situations that never happen

03:37:46.000 and then on the con on the contrary they like to watch horror and all these crimes of when

03:37:50.560 men are just doing this just these diabolical things to women it's like if you're constantly

03:37:54.800 feeding your mind fear and fantasy you're not dealing with reality which is in either one of

03:38:00.400 these worlds and i just feel like you could just tell when you ask women certain questions

03:38:04.320 that they just really think the worst of men it's just embedded in y'all i don't know what's going on

03:38:09.520 today i think i'm sorry i'm gonna go out on a limb oh thank you got it i'm gonna go out on a limb and

03:38:16.400 assume that the ladies that are answering these polls when it comes to the essay they're thinking

03:38:22.400 about okay i'm fantasizing about someone who is dominant who is handsome who i uh you know maybe

03:38:30.640 it's i don't know uh someone wealthy that's just dominating me versus versus a random man

03:38:38.880 that's but i respect that but you still just make an excuse because it's a woman instead of just

03:38:46.080 dealing with what it is like i'm not making an excuse no you are because you added mad stuff to

03:38:51.840 it you added that she's rich and anybody kind of like you've done earlier what did i add what give me

03:38:56.880 example like when we were watching the video and you were talking about it give me an example

03:39:01.520 because i didn't because you said that i'm assuming that a woman who fantasizes about being

03:39:07.760 assaulted is talking about a man who's handsome and talk you don't want to be assaulted by somebody

03:39:14.720 you're attracted to so that doesn't make sense to me anybody that you appeal to you don't want

03:39:19.440 them to assault you i don't that doesn't make sense to me i don't see how it makes sense that didn't get

03:39:24.160 answered um how many women answered in total in the world how many women answered that poll

03:39:31.520 with that answer i'm assuming i don't know i don't know what the total of them are i don't

03:39:36.080 think it matters hang on i don't think it hang on hang on i'm trying to answer okay sorry so i'm not

03:39:42.080 sure that that would matter all you would need is to have a statistical enough sample size that it was

03:39:49.840 statistically significant and the studies that i'm reading say that their sample sizes are statistically

03:39:55.760 significant um another thing who is uh funding those studies well most of these are funded by uh

03:40:03.440 women's clinics uh though many of them i would have to look into uh the background but most of

03:40:09.760 the time studies are funded by progressive institutions not conservative ones so i don't

03:40:15.120 see how how there would be a publishing bias against women exactly because sometimes there occasionally

03:40:20.400 is depending on who who puts on the study but i have a related to that i have a quick question

03:40:25.760 she cited this like commonly perpetuated statistic in colleges one in four are you prepared to make

03:40:33.680 the same sort of criticism over the uh no because i've looked into that oh you've looked into that i

03:40:39.040 have i actually have i'm familiar is it valid i i would i think that it is so one in four women have

03:40:44.560 been like full-blown essayed yeah i would say more than that what do you think about the doj what do

03:40:51.120 you think about the like official like fbi and doj statistics i would they actually like these are

03:40:56.880 they're collecting actual crime data instead of polling random like they're actually in that

03:41:01.760 analyzing the yeah here's the well and here's the here's here's the data point that backs up brian

03:41:07.600 the data point is that when polled college students who are male give significantly higher numbers of

03:41:13.120 being essayed than women do um all i was trying to mention with the poll is that you said that it

03:41:20.880 was gathered from dating apps many women are not on dating apps sometimes sometimes i'm not i've never

03:41:26.320 been on these many many different people have done these uh one such study that you can look at national

03:41:32.400 institute of health this is from these are government studies uh though they don't tell you some of the

03:41:38.560 information that you're asking and i would have to look into the undercurrent i think that that's fair

03:41:42.560 right to ask who's conducting the studies and why they do seem to be statistically significant so

03:41:48.800 hang on a team of researchers based university of north texas and notre dame studied 355 women

03:41:56.400 that's statistically significant a part of the research involved participants being able to read

03:42:02.160 our word fantasy scenario over headphones to investigate how aroused they became

03:42:07.200 in the study published the academic journal of sexual behavior participants were and yeah and

03:42:13.440 the the the number of how many did was kind of staggering right so um that's just one study one

03:42:20.320 aspect of this study but there's other ways that this research is conducted i can't give you all the

03:42:25.120 details because you don't know them but it does seem like it's a fairly firm fact that this is pretty common

03:42:30.960 also the the one in four study it included things like for example cat calling included cat calling

03:42:38.400 it also included were one of the parties did they have more than one alcoholic beverage so they counted

03:42:46.160 consent consensual sex but if even both of the parties had had more than one or two drinks they

03:42:55.120 counted that as sa do you think that that's sa if like if if someone is yeah no someone is wait

03:43:02.080 absolutely who said absolutely i mean if you're if if both parties are under the influence is that

03:43:08.800 what you're saying sure yeah yeah okay well if both parties has had two beers is who said you said that's

03:43:17.520 essay yeah i mean because two beers well they still know what they're doing don't they i would

03:43:24.160 say it depends on how the beers hold on hold up stop stop stop stop hold on i guess i'm confused of the

03:43:28.400 question so a man has two beers a woman has two beers they have sex is that essay oh no i thought

03:43:37.280 you meant just if they were intoxicated that it doesn't count or something that's what we yeah

03:43:41.120 we misunderstood we misunderstood yeah this is yeah yeah it's too woke like people are super

03:43:47.680 sensitive wait wait wait real quick i just want to give you the rest of this the results of the study

03:43:53.360 which also explored other sexual and aggressive fantasies self-esteem blah blah blah 52 of the women

03:44:00.000 had fantasies about forced sex with a man 32 had fantasies about being full-on r-worded by the man 28

03:44:08.560 had four had fantasies about forced oral sex by a man and 16 percent forced anal sex

03:44:17.680 and hold on hold on but y'all see how when the data comes it's always a pushback when it comes

03:44:26.400 to the woman's perspective because i've met many women and they've told me they've take my they've

03:44:32.320 took in my hand and put it on their neck oh i don't know oh it sounds good but in reality there's

03:44:39.440 a difference from being but they feel comfortable with you listen listen violence is violence i don't

03:44:43.840 i don't play i don't even like to play fight i only like to fight for real so to me if someone wants to

03:44:49.040 pretend to be rough in a violent matter like when is how is choking ever fit it's nothing soft but

03:44:55.360 she trusts that person i get it but it's still sensual it still speaks to the pathology of the

03:45:00.480 woman when did what my grandmother didn't do that no other than my mother they do that today that you

03:45:04.560 know of once of course okay of course but but of course but it's always convenient when it comes to

03:45:09.920 the women when it comes to man it's definitely definite like that's just bias like like i was

03:45:13.600 saying most women if to slightly even want your man to pretend to do something that in real life

03:45:20.960 would be negative speaks to the pathology of the woman why do you want me to pretend to choke you

03:45:26.960 when did that become sexual when did that become intimate when did that become loving when did that

03:45:31.360 become becoming of a feminine woman to be choked by her man it doesn't make sense y'all can make all

03:45:36.480 the excuses you want but it don't make no damn sense it's a fantasy part of it part of it actually is

03:45:43.600 science when you uh allow a certain amount of oxygen to be deprived from the brain you orgasm harder i want

03:45:49.840 to move away hold on guys guys guys let's move away from andrew brought up that one example i want

03:45:56.640 to move away from the study about women's fantasies let's get back to the kind of like the meat of the

03:46:01.920 conversation here uh so you brought up this one in four number okay so this includes i mean i'm just

03:46:08.480 curious here if uh the man had two drinks the girl had two drinks is that essay is that what it is

03:46:16.560 according to the study i believe there was some component even consensual sex between two people

03:46:22.080 who had had consumed some degree of alcohol they deemed it as essay if it's consensual i don't count

03:46:29.040 it as essay but but it also depends on body weight so two drinks for a five foot two nothing versus a

03:46:36.720 six foot seven sorry you're not going to be black out you know two drinks even if you're five all i'm

03:46:42.720 saying is like alcohol conversion in height and weight for two people who weigh very different

03:46:49.360 things i mean i'd argue men drink more heavily than women so i'm i gave you an example where it's like

03:46:55.840 the equivalent but let's say that the man's more drunk than the woman is that is that a say yeah if

03:47:02.480 he's more if he's more drunk he's not blacked out but i mean how do you how would i don't even

03:47:09.520 understand how you engage like if two people go out and get drunk no two people are going to have

03:47:15.680 the same level of impairment right there no two people are going to have the same level of

03:47:19.760 impairment so one one's always going to be slightly or even more or less impaired than the other person

03:47:25.840 even if they're both drunk i don't even know how you would quantify that like how would you quantify

03:47:30.640 that oh well you had six drinks and she had three so now you're equally impaired so now you can

03:47:35.520 have sex like that that just seems absurd on its face right okay well men get also more aggressive

03:47:41.440 when they've had more to drink so if they're sloppy drunk they could don't women let me get more

03:47:45.120 aggressive when they drink too i mean definitely get aggressive okay so if we don't agree with that

03:47:49.200 study then let's find another one that says well there's like there's the doj statistics damien can

03:47:54.400 you try to find the doj statistics but okay how about this uh a woman has consent there's no alcohol

03:48:00.240 involved a woman has consensual sex she regrets it the next day is this essay no okay but i mean it

03:48:08.640 happens

03:48:12.320 but it happens i want to say a lot of things happen doesn't make it right but that happens more than

03:48:16.160 often it does but that's a whole and actually this this affects african-american men at higher rates

03:48:22.320 rates at very high rates because there's like this racial component the roe v white was based on a

03:48:28.880 lie uh who was emmett till emmett till don't get me started yeah we can go on and on that's why i

03:48:35.360 said we speak from a privileged position we speak from a privileged position everybody has a different

03:48:40.080 reality so you can get away with something that another person would wouldn't it's going to affect

03:48:44.640 them they might have the legal fees they might have the the means to combat these assumed negative

03:48:50.240 emotions and actions of men as opposed to another man like right now for example i don't know um um

03:48:56.000 his income but i'm assuming he makes more than me he might can get out of a situation like that

03:49:00.880 quicker than i can based on the words of a woman so when we just speak these general like oh no it's

03:49:05.360 just like this no it's not just like that it's very nuanced but it seems like we only show nuance for

03:49:10.320 the woman's side and not for the man's side like we have to be real about this thing is people take

03:49:15.520 these these topics from these podcasts and they run with it in real life and people's lives really

03:49:20.640 get jeopardized especially men like the roe v wade thing that was based on a white woman blaming a

03:49:25.280 and i want to make it racial but y'all brought it up wait roe v wade you wrote the the rape the um

03:49:29.600 roe v on the abortion thing that was the original um if i'm not mistaken the original crime was a white

03:49:36.880 woman blaming a black man saying he s-aid her and from that she got impregnated and because of that

03:49:43.680 uh privacy it's more of anything about privacy it was uh it was a lie the woman who the the crime

03:49:51.680 that caused that law to come in to be implemented was a woman who lied on a black man who was never

03:49:57.200 essayed by him and that they took that story and made um abortions legal because of that lie

03:50:03.920 that's a fact i think it was a documentary that they made on it off um what's that that show what's

03:50:09.440 the um candace candace owens is on the network it got um i don't know bill wash matt wash is on it

03:50:16.080 too they did a whole documentary about it it's called they did a whole documentary about roe v wade

03:50:21.360 it was based on a lie i don't know the the details network is the daily wire daily wire yep

03:50:28.240 they did a documentary on it i believe and they was talking about how that i believe that situation

03:50:32.080 was based on a woman who accused of a man of saying her and he didn't even do it and he happened

03:50:36.560 to be a black man i want to know how his life went okay let's just look a lot here i'll move things

03:50:45.920 on here shortly uh i i guess really quick um those of you you said 20 you said 15 15 to 20 um does this

03:50:56.160 also apply to like your family members like cousins etc so like one in five of all your family members i

03:51:01.920 mean i was taught by my dad to protect myself from men so i mean so yeah but like are you willing to

03:51:07.360 throw like one out of five of your like blood under the water and say like one in five of your male

03:51:12.320 family members are like inclined to essay a woman yes yeah in fact i know for a fact that some of them

03:51:18.960 have okay well it is look it does happen in families i never actually happens i mean are you

03:51:26.560 asking because it happens more than just random people on the street like typically it's somebody

03:51:33.600 that you know or somebody that is i want to say it's somebody's friend it's somebody's son it's

03:51:38.800 somebody's dad like yeah but so i guess final thing here on the bear thing so i kind of is the position

03:51:46.720 that no wait so wait it mostly doesn't happen by strangers it mostly happens but it mostly doesn't

03:51:53.840 happen by strangers wouldn't that be a strike against your logic of thinking that respond

03:51:59.200 responding randomly with a stranger in the woods wouldn't that significantly lessen the idea

03:52:08.560 like how many women on average just spawn into the woods like it's a hypothetical situation

03:52:13.760 yeah i know but hypothetical situations are designed to test your logic that's why we make them up right we

03:52:18.880 make them up to see if we can determine what is true and what is not true and if we're using

03:52:22.960 um logic and reason in order to make determinations uh about things or if we're just using pure emotion

03:52:30.160 or something like that so i have no doubt that you feel that this is true right and there's many things

03:52:36.560 i feel are true but the reason we use hypotheticals to test if the feeling makes any sense and so if the

03:52:43.280 idea is once we get into the nitty-gritty wait a second almost you you all agree it's it's mostly

03:52:49.120 somebody you know who would do something like this wouldn't that be a strike against the idea that's

03:52:53.200 spawning with a random stranger in the in the middle of the woods you would actually be less likely than

03:52:58.480 you would even with somebody you knew good point not necessarily i think they're saying that the

03:53:02.560 chances are just higher in general no matter who you're around the reason why it's usually higher

03:53:06.720 with people who you know is because they can have you in a compromising position like watching you

03:53:11.280 while your parents are gone like something where you're alone where you're isolated that's why it's

03:53:15.760 typically someone we're talking about adult women here adult women this type of thing even yeah

03:53:22.080 it can still be when you're isolated and when you're alone and if you're an adult adult women are still

03:53:28.240 more likely to be essayed by people they know right but most of the time the people that they know are

03:53:33.440 not are people like um you know male friends of theirs you know things like this uh those are the

03:53:40.000 people who are and yes it is true they're in a compromising position but it seems like um you

03:53:47.440 it's this intimate knowledge you have with this person uh that makes them feel like this is in

03:53:52.560 some way appropriate or that they can get away with it or this kind of thing do you think if you respond

03:53:57.120 with a random stranger in the middle of a forest that you guys would have way bigger things to worry

03:54:01.760 about then whether or not you know he wants to just like attack you you know and and and um you

03:54:09.040 know and it just seems kind of silly right maybe it's also a perspective from people on the streets

03:54:15.040 strangers on the streets that come approach us and stuff too it makes no logical sense to choose

03:54:21.200 a bear over a stranger in the woods it makes no logical sense to choose a bear statistically

03:54:31.120 biologically like absolutely none we are running ourselves in circles and it's like we are

03:54:38.720 emotionally like politicizing the emotion and the feeling of of course we're not saying like yeah

03:54:46.640 essay fucking happens and it sucks and the statistics it is real that is real that does not

03:54:52.000 devalidate that point at all logistically statistically for the fact of the argument a bear or a man

03:55:01.120 the odds of survival immediate survival you would choose a random man i would not i would that

03:55:10.000 makes no logical sense to me wait really quick i grew up in rural arizona and i've been around bears

03:55:16.080 i've seen bears i used to go camping all the time i feel very comfortable i think it just depends on

03:55:21.360 your opinion we'll explore all this really quick pull up the meme get the meme going uh okay so brown

03:55:27.760 bear up to nine feet tall up to 1300 pounds claws four inches by force 1200 psi pelt for five inches

03:55:33.920 speed 35 miles per hour kyle 510 174 pounds project engineer said hi to you at the gym so like

03:55:42.160 look again yes there's some percentage of men that would victimize you terribly but like you have to

03:55:48.160 attribute such a large percentage if you're doing a risk assessment of like yeah i'm gonna pick

03:55:54.000 a bear over a man like your risk assessment is flawed the question wasn't about logic logic

03:56:01.200 it isn't oh it's a logical question wait let me finish let me finish the pain that someone might

03:56:09.280 feel after being essayed is going to stay with them for the rest of their life but is it a guarantee

03:56:13.840 that you don't want to deal with that it's not a guarantee it's not a guarantee but you said what

03:56:18.080 did you say two percent you said it's a two percent the bear the bear from from my experience the bear

03:56:24.400 is probably going to do one of two things it's going to probably like eat me or it's going to leave me

03:56:29.360 alone it's just going to and just eat you later away not eat you later just walk away

03:56:35.040 i like you i don't know what y'all talking about i don't know what y'all talking about how many bears

03:56:38.720 arizona listen i don't want to counter them i'd rather do it with a person than a damn

03:56:42.880 ravaging bear this sounds you're not guaranteed to eat you exactly you've never encountered

03:56:46.320 and a man ain't guaranteed to just take your womanhood and right you're right so that's why

03:56:51.360 this question there is both sides to it it sounds good it sounds real good we live in a world where

03:56:58.000 your feelings matter more than logic but she said it herself it's not even about logic so if it ain't

03:57:02.480 about logic don't make sense because there's nothing in your life that logic can be missing and you can

03:57:06.400 succeed from it so let's cut it out and be grown up in here i think people are just doing it based

03:57:11.520 off experience very quickly that arizona only has one species of bear black bears and there's only

03:57:22.160 about 2 000 of them in the entire state so they're they're probably the likelihood they came across too

03:57:27.440 many probably isn't high unless you were going to like a bear reserve or something at which i have

03:57:31.920 been before and also i've been i i have been immersed in wildlife from the time that i could

03:57:38.400 like walk so i feel very comfortable with animals that's my personal opinion and that's based off of

03:57:45.520 my experience growing up around animals i had a mountain lion in my clubhouse as a kid because i grew

03:57:52.000 up on five acres and i felt very safe just watching it from from my fence with binoculars i was about 10 feet

03:58:00.080 away from it my parents didn't see anything wrong with that and they let me do that and i feel

03:58:04.720 comfortable with that but i don't let her finish okay your new name is dancing with mountain lions

03:58:11.760 dancing with mountain what i'm saying is i personally this is my opinion i feel like more comfortable

03:58:19.760 with that than i would a random man who i don't know anything about okay but he can at least

03:58:23.920 that's my opinion can i just say one more thing go ahead go ahead at least the man there is a potential

03:58:30.320 this will this because i i i'll use your view but the fact that you're ignoring the ultimate

03:58:35.680 potential of a human interaction over a ravaging beast it wasn't ignored hold on sweetheart hold on

03:58:42.560 hold on hold on hold on hold on i just said it wasn't ignored it wasn't ignored you got it hold

03:58:47.280 on thank you the fact that you're ignoring the potential it wasn't oh my god you triggered i get

03:58:54.320 it i got you i know you're mad you got it you got it you the fact that you're ignoring

03:59:00.400 the potential for a human interaction over a ravaging beast shows the lack of logic

03:59:08.080 in the assumed uh negativity of men by most women you really think if you move that fence and you

03:59:15.840 on that mountain lion chill for a week he won't attack you like you you don't even you can't even

03:59:21.440 the fact that you're not even assuming that maybe i can talk to this man you can't communicate to that

03:59:26.720 bear at all i don't care how many times you fed it some crackers or something he will hurt you at a

03:59:32.720 higher rate than a human being but the fact that you're just denying the fact that maybe i can talk to

03:59:37.920 this person maybe i can communicate you just denying all of that you've talked to way more human men

03:59:43.200 than you've ever talked to lions and bears oh my in your life and you're just going to ignore that

03:59:47.920 you're going to know the fact you had that cool guy you went to school with your cool uncle your cool

03:59:52.160 brother the cool guy at the store the guy that helped you get the gas that time you're ignoring all

03:59:56.560 of those scenarios of positive men for that small list of negative men as opposed to a a

04:00:02.320 fucking bear just shows to the lack of logic of the modern woman like you could you can make all

04:00:06.160 excuses you want but it don't make no thank you for assuming that it was ignored but it was not

04:00:10.240 it was not ignored and also she sounds crazy excuse me go ahead sounds crazy okay well that's your

04:00:17.120 opinion um is it sexist are you guys willing to admit that your position is sexist against men

04:00:24.960 sexist against men yeah i think that my can you not be sexist towards men no you can be sexist okay is

04:00:30.880 it sexist i wouldn't say it is because it's based off of experience okay let me let me follow up with

04:00:35.920 you on that so let's say we replace man with uh let's let's do a black person does this question

04:00:45.920 become racist like if if you were to answer i'd rather pick a bear over a black person is it a black

04:00:52.880 girl because i picked the black girl absolutely no it's just a random black person so it could be it

04:00:57.120 doesn't matter their race if it is a man i will choose the bear if it is a woman it is but but

04:01:02.320 you can say that you can say that if you want because a woman but so let's say somebody not

04:01:07.120 let's say somebody picked uh the bear over a black person is it is it racist

04:01:16.800 it is

04:01:17.120 i that's not my off of my experience i don't feel that way and i'm not okay okay here let me explain

04:01:29.200 it a little bit um so let's say somebody i got a better way better wait let me let me just ask

04:01:34.080 it and then i'll pass it to you andrew so i think that would be prejudice more than racist

04:01:39.840 it's semantics that's it's word that's semantics it's same thing okay it's different so let's say

04:01:44.880 no so somebody let's say uh a white girl had a had three bad experiences with three different black

04:01:52.640 men and for this reason she doesn't want to she'd pick the bear over the black man is it racist

04:02:00.480 because of her past experiences with black men and she says i don't care even if it even if because

04:02:10.000 you said earlier even if it's a one percent chance i still pick the bear over the man but it was still

04:02:15.360 a man that she picked versus what hold on i mean it was still a bear that okay she had one she had

04:02:21.440 two bad experiences with a black man and two bad experiences of a black woman and collectively she's

04:02:27.600 deciding i don't uh i picked the bear over the the black person because i've had prior bad

04:02:35.120 experiences with black people is it racist no i think it would be racist if if it was a white man

04:02:39.360 versus a black man if those if that was wait if that if we're talking about race here that that that

04:02:47.200 would be a more parallel situation because it's a man no but it's a black person no if you put two

04:02:52.800 people in a forest if we're saying instead if we if we swapped out the bear if we wanted to make

04:02:57.520 this really even it would be racist if it was a white man in the forest versus a black man in the

04:03:04.160 forest and she said she picked the white over that for that reason for that logic but still picking a

04:03:09.520 bear over a man i no it's not a man it's a black person you said black man no i think the question

04:03:16.000 trying to ask is if we took your logic and apply that to other things it would make no damn sense

04:03:20.320 so back to what i was saying real quick i just think that it just wouldn't make no sense what's being

04:03:26.000 shown is ladies and gentlemen because i can't convince nobody here people out there in youtube

04:03:30.880 stream yard land this is why men are leaving because women are on board with each other despite

04:03:38.160 logic and science it's all about women women women women it doesn't have to make sense it doesn't have

04:03:44.320 to have any logic it's women overall and women who feel like that are not making it better for other

04:03:50.640 women coming up because men want to be with women despite what it looks like despite all the

04:03:55.440 statistics we do love you we do want to be with you but if you have this mentality it's going to make

04:04:00.560 men remove themselves from you in all areas and i hate to bust your bubble ladies you need us excuse me

04:04:07.520 you do you do there is a male loneliness epidemic that's going on but that is not females yeah women

04:04:15.520 over men are violent when they're in cells yes women over like you can pull up the exact statistic

04:04:23.680 because it is somewhere i have it in front of me but the the female loneliness epidemic is almost

04:04:28.480 on par with the male they report being lonely at almost the exact same race people yes but what i'm

04:04:33.600 saying is women who are over a certain age who are childless who are not in a relationship report to

04:04:40.000 have the there it's it's on the internet i'm sure i don't have my phone so i can't look up the exact

04:04:44.800 thing but i'm sure they report having heavier amounts of mental health issues they report having

04:04:49.280 heavier amounts of dissatisfaction the report having heavier amounts i think we're reading very different

04:04:54.400 surveys well well i don't think so what you're talking about is an article uh what i'm talking about is the

04:04:59.840 actual data which is backing this up not an article which then mints but this isn't just for for women

04:05:06.240 right this is uh men as well when they get in their 30s or 40s and they're childless or don't have a

04:05:10.880 family they also report uh much higher dissatisfaction rates higher higher frames of mental illness they

04:05:16.400 make less money they have less incentives they have less motivations basically people need each other

04:05:21.600 right that's uh that's the general motivation if you were to look if you were to look at this though

04:05:25.920 i'd have to have to ask you this i was listening to what you were saying and i thought it made sense

04:05:30.800 you but you said the thing that validates it is experience and because it's experience it's not

04:05:35.760 really sexist um the thing that gets me with that is like what if an employer was a man and he didn't

04:05:42.560 want to ever hire women because he'd had really bad experiences with them that couldn't be sexist right

04:05:48.720 by that same logic could it and let her answer let her answer that couldn't be what were the experiences

04:05:55.360 were what were all of the women in his life they made false let's say that uh several of them made

04:06:00.560 false allegations and several of them underperformed and several of them did that they had but he had

04:06:05.840 nothing but negative experiences with them and since he since that is what informed him in his hiring

04:06:12.880 practices and that was his experience isn't he then justified in not hiring them and wouldn't it

04:06:18.960 not be sexist then because it's based on experience so i'm going to have two parts and i would like

04:06:24.320 if everyone could allow me to finish all the way before interrupting thank you yeah sure go ahead

04:06:29.040 um what i would say about that is it is sexist because we're talking about pay and underperforming

04:06:35.920 is not the same as being essayed as someone we're not talking about pay yeah we're just talking about

04:06:42.960 hiring yeah hiring you're if you're hiring someone you're hiring them to pay them for a job

04:06:48.640 that you're hiring them for that has nothing to do with your relationship you don't have to date

04:06:54.400 them you don't have to spend time with them you don't have to you don't have to do anything you

04:07:00.240 don't have to do anything with the man in the forest but aren't you saying that they would be skeptical

04:07:03.680 going into hiring women why wouldn't we be skeptical going into that i'm just telling you it's the same

04:07:08.240 same logic that's all it's the same logic applied so what i'm saying though is from personal experience

04:07:15.600 what i was explaining from personal experience as someone who has been essayed i would rather take my

04:07:22.960 own life than have that happen again and what i'm saying is there is nothing worse for me and my

04:07:30.160 opinion my this is my opinion there is nothing that someone can do worse to you than that i'm not

04:07:37.840 disputing any so what i'm saying is underperforming and having the worst thing done to you cannot even

04:07:43.600 be equated in the situation wait let's well let's back up though because i understand exactly what

04:07:49.360 you're saying it makes total sense to me this is the most horrific thing you could ever think of

04:07:53.920 and so you're going to select against that thing because this thing happening to you again you'd

04:07:58.160 whether anything else including getting eaten by a bear happened than the thing i completely

04:08:02.400 understand that the question is not whether or not essay is really really bad and you had a traumatic

04:08:07.520 experience with it though the question is is that is sexist regardless of how it's informed you said

04:08:13.840 no it's not sexist because that is my experience and it's like okay then if it's not sexist because

04:08:20.480 it's your experience then a man who was falsely accused of essay uh in his hiring in his hiring practices

04:08:27.200 let's say would be completely justified never hiring a woman again by the same logic because he

04:08:33.200 says this is the worst thing he can hang on i'm almost done i just let you finish he can use the

04:08:37.760 same logic he could say i'd rather this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me nothing more

04:08:42.720 i can never imagine anything worse than this i'd rather anything happen than this again so he

04:08:47.920 refuses to hire a woman that's totally justified based on his experience the same logic back to you

04:08:53.440 yes yes if that is the situation initially you said underperforming and you listed a couple of

04:08:58.560 it's not sexist yes then he's not being sexist if we're talking about that then yeah that wouldn't

04:09:02.320 be sexist yeah right so then any man who's ever had a false allegation against him right and then

04:09:08.880 refuses to hire women after that because of that false allegation you think that's totally valid i think

04:09:13.920 that's valid yes why put yourself in that situation and it's not sexist right yeah don't put yourself

04:09:18.400 in that situation if i gave you a list of men who that's happened to right um like well i i can name

04:09:27.120 a couple but the thing is the point is is that if i gave you a list of like fortune 500 company executive

04:09:32.640 ceos who said that they want to advocate a policy that no more women get hired by their company because

04:09:38.960 such a thing did happen to them are they working with never say that that was sexist right well

04:09:44.160 that's different if it's if they're ceos and they're completely detached from ever interacting

04:09:50.080 with any of those women i said it wouldn't be sexist for them to not want to work with those women no

04:09:55.840 that's not what you said but work have that's not what i'm thinking i'm thinking of like a restaurant

04:10:00.400 owner i'm thinking of you know someone who has to have someone they're hiring women and those women

04:10:05.520 are directly working with them that's what i envisioned when you said women work for them

04:10:11.360 and hiring women and because they're interacting with them and they don't want that i would assume

04:10:16.880 that based on what you told me your experience is being anywhere near a situation which could

04:10:21.680 potentially lead to that which is what we're talking about spawning into a forest with a random

04:10:26.240 man or random bear right just the fact you said if it's even one percent that you would not choose

04:10:33.760 that the ceo of the company saying the same thing if it's even one percent even though i'm detached

04:10:39.840 from these people i'm definitely not going to hire them it's the same exact logic same no because if

04:10:45.600 you're the ceo there is not even a one percent chance that you're going to interact with those

04:10:49.440 people you're not going you're not going no no you said if it's even meaning if it was less than

04:10:54.560 that you still wouldn't take you said if it's anything if it's any percentile if there's any

04:10:58.800 chance so here i'll prove it to you i'll prove it to you do you think statistically that a woman

04:11:05.600 could accuse you of essay easier if you hire them or if you don't hire them if so if jeff bezos

04:11:13.520 hired me and then i accused him of that after never meeting him i think it would be just as invalid

04:11:20.240 if i was not hired by him actually i think it would be more invalid because then it's like yeah but

04:11:25.520 the whole point here is the disassociation the idea here is this it's not whether or not the chances

04:11:30.880 would be unlikely for both just which thing there'd be a higher chance for and in this case of course

04:11:35.760 the chance would be higher that if a woman doesn't in any way or any capacity have anything to do with

04:11:40.640 your company or you her chance of accusing you of essay significantly go down versus her being closer

04:11:46.000 to you so if that's the case same logic as if there was any percentage at all that this could ever

04:11:51.760 happen to me i'm choosing the bear and that's totally appropriate and not sexist and the reason

04:11:56.960 it's not sexist is because it comes from a place of experience that would be the same thing for a ceo

04:12:01.600 can i chime in so to be sexist to be i would like her to just finish real quick i'm all we're almost

04:12:06.960 done almost done with the exchange i would just like to finish it real quick can you just can you

04:12:11.040 speak to that real quick because it's the same logic that's why i don't understand i think that it's

04:12:15.440 not the same logic only for the reason that you are physically in the company of one and the ceo is

04:12:22.320 not physically in the company or physically in danger of being in a compromising position with

04:12:29.600 one of their 12 000 you know 60 000 employees whatever crazy number they have if there's any

04:12:38.560 percentage if yes but there wouldn't be a percentage that they never interacted with them you would never

04:12:43.520 do it they would never interact so brian asked you this he asked you he said if the chances were

04:12:48.720 and he gave you a low say he said if there's any chance if it's even one percent if it's less than

04:12:54.080 that there's any chance at all that this could happen to you then no you're not doing it and you're

04:12:59.040 picking the bear because this is the worst thing that could ever happen to you the ceo was falsely

04:13:03.600 accused okay if he was falsely accused even once and then says i'll never hire a woman again

04:13:09.200 be just because there could be a chance and this is the worst thing that's ever happened it's the

04:13:14.800 same thing you just said okay well if we're going by that logic then sure he doesn't have to hire any

04:13:21.360 woman on uh for the company with the bear situation i said that even if it was one percent chance i would

04:13:29.200 choose dying and not getting assayed over that one percent chance my my punishment or my penalty

04:13:38.000 for taking that is death his penalty for not hiring any woman is probably getting boycotted so yeah you

04:13:45.840 can do anything you want technically we're all born with free will but hold on i do have to let a couple

04:13:53.120 things come through here burmese mountain tiger gifted 50 subs by the way burmese i think i have uh

04:14:01.360 oh did i i think you have a custom thing here let me just check one sec here brian uh i got

04:14:08.480 one out i got a flight i gotta catch in the morning oh i thought you could stay until uh it's midnight my

04:14:14.640 time yeah oh your time hold on you know oh shoot okay oh yeah okay all right um yeah sorry about

04:14:21.760 that i gotta gotta fly out tomorrow do you want to wrap up you did you want to wrap up on anything

04:14:26.640 or do you just have a heart out yeah i do have a heart out i gotta get literally four hours and do

04:14:31.280 this okay guys that's very nice to meet you i really enjoyed the spirited discussion andrew thank you so

04:14:36.080 much man yeah it was very nice to meet all of you uh and you too sir i hope you uh enjoy yeah yeah i

04:14:42.160 hope you guys enjoy the rest of your evening take care yeah shoot us a rate andrew thank you for uh

04:14:45.920 tuning in man uh good luck with the uh the tim cast thing or whatever all right man uh okay uh

04:14:53.440 hold on i gotta let a couple things come through then we'll come back to the conversation burmese

04:14:57.360 mountain tiger

04:15:01.120 gifted a hundred subs on uh on twitch dude thank you so much man you're a legend uh kendall sanders became

04:15:10.480 a member and then uh let's see here we had this one that already came through we have a couple chats

04:15:15.920 that came through uh i have to read something from uh andrew if you're still listening oh he left okay

04:15:26.880 well millionaire bachelor he i'm not gonna read your full message but uh andrew your hit piece was weak

04:15:33.280 as fuck that's all i'll read for that uh millionaire so okay um and then we have three

04:15:40.400 from lucas this came this these came in a while ago so it's about i think or wait hold on let's see

04:15:46.240 lucas i was on the subway nyc subway heading to work the other day a young woman was attacked not a

04:15:52.160 single man even looked up to see what was going on let alone help a man is in his late 20s standing

04:15:58.880 next to me and then he says by the way lucas thank you so much for the messages appreciate it

04:16:06.880 uh turned to me and said looks like that bear's got to save her congratulations ladies you reap what

04:16:12.960 you sow with the exception of my daughter wife and mother you can literally be on fire in front

04:16:19.120 hold on and then there's another one looks like the bear's got to save her

04:16:23.440 hey man chivalry is dead and the bear killed it right uh okay burning too crisp and i wouldn't

04:16:29.440 even piss on you he's so upset uh wait where is it wouldn't even piss on you to save your life your

04:16:36.720 widespread implicit vilification of men is abhorrent your bunch of snot-nosed delusionally entitled

04:16:42.960 ingrates you see i was gonna add and say that i changed my opinion with all the facts but that was

04:16:48.080 yeah you're all it takes is very uh you're telling on your side it's all over because

04:16:55.680 my god kind of just uh but i do change my answer because you guys fact-checked it and i'm not going

04:17:00.800 to sit here and be like well i'm this no i'm listening to your facts and i respect that that's

04:17:04.480 all we want with us all just don't fight logic because honestly how i see it as it is it's a people

04:17:10.240 problem it's not a women or men problem it's a people problem thank you women can do it men can do it

04:17:14.960 we're all doing it to each other it's an issue we shouldn't do it thank you because the point is

04:17:19.680 this right here we should be trying to come together to some degree this is said these

04:17:23.280 conversations in the top this this logic we have it only brings separation because eventually men are

04:17:27.840 just going to say you got it and you might find yourself in a situation where you might need a

04:17:32.320 random man's help but why would a random man help you when you say the things you say so hey men have

04:17:37.920 created this luxury where it created a world where women have the luxury to even critique men in these ways

04:17:42.800 but men even created that women about being provocative and wearing i mean they do it but

04:17:47.840 that's this and how that's not your preference and stuff but it's but what's wrong what that

04:17:52.640 got to do with a picking a bear over a man no i'm just saying that you were saying stuff about that so

04:17:58.560 why can't we have our opinions about things no you can have an opinion but i'm talking about logic what

04:18:04.400 i'm saying is you dress in a certain way online based on women's complaints it's i hear women saying

04:18:10.800 where's the guys at so i'm addressing apply a gripe that you have if that's your gripe dress up i don't

04:18:18.240 hear men complaining about being picked over a bear so it's not that's not an issue we're having women

04:18:22.720 are having issues with meeting good guys and meeting high quality guys or maybe not you women but a lot

04:18:27.680 of women have that issue so it's like maybe you should dress a little different maybe you should

04:18:31.600 be a little more reserved maybe you should be a little more modest to fit your complaint men are not

04:18:36.640 complaining about being picked over a bear or not like this this is the scenario that women are

04:18:40.800 saying so i'm just dealing with the logic this is logic and picking telling a woman to cover herself

04:18:45.440 up whether i'm in her life or not that's good advice whether she got a man in her life or not but

04:18:49.520 also like when women dress like that they get more attention from men so then that kind of confuses

04:18:54.080 women we both be pointing fingers at each other we both do the part i'd saw it's both sides like we

04:19:01.120 constantly point fingers you know people buy or guys buy porn but we also provide the porn you know

04:19:07.920 only fans and stuff like that yeah yeah um okay a couple things here to wrap up here on the uh whole

04:19:13.840 man first bear thing um let's see where do i hold on have any of you have had the one night stand

04:19:23.760 no never yes it's just confusing to me this whole like bear thing it's like

04:19:30.160 the same women who will like go out have a one night stand but you pick the bear i i don't know

04:19:36.400 that's confusing what does that have to do with the bear because you're literally putting yourself

04:19:42.080 alone i want to say you put yourself in a room with the stranger so like that's the same scenario it's

04:19:46.960 like the same exact scenario but okay how about this a couple questions here um a couple different

04:19:52.160 twists on the uh man versus bear thing uh let's see where is it hold on um it's uh a gay man does

04:20:02.960 that change anything if it's if he's gay yes if i know that if i know he's gay and he will not hurt

04:20:09.840 me in that way then absolutely what about a trans woman uh what does that have to do with anything

04:20:15.920 well it's male she's me or they i don't know she's a she she's a she but biologically a man but male

04:20:22.880 if someone has that appendage but there is there's the penis but it's a trans woman with a penis what is

04:20:30.640 their sexual orientation when it comes to wanting to have sex with women well so would they want to

04:20:35.120 have sex with women yes but he's still got that that name still got the thing i feel like they're

04:20:40.400 random you just went out no that would make them okay wait if make them a man this is where we're all

04:20:46.080 going i'm really confused

04:20:52.320 she's straight so she likes men same even if they are gay it it should be the same but i i get where

04:20:59.520 you're trying to go with okay fine a lesbian trans woman as long as they're not sexually attracted

04:21:05.680 to me in any way in any capacity then they you don't know you don't know but it's it's a lesbian

04:21:11.520 trans woman so they still have to be around still have a penis penis still there but they're but you're

04:21:19.520 saying that they would identify at that point as straight no they still have no identifies as a woman

04:21:25.200 but so they would identify as gay but by a lot if they're lesbian it does for me it doesn't matter

04:21:31.760 what they if they are attracted to women in any capacity i would choose the bear wait even a woman

04:21:38.640 wait like a woman shorter than me that i could overtake maybe that's so you're gonna like

04:21:44.000 me i don't take advantage of her no no i've never how dare you i'll show you

04:21:50.240 i'll do it first the thing is wait do you think that's actually wait wait this is this is kind of

04:21:55.200 dark but you think it's like actually happened like somebody trying to like essay somebody but

04:22:00.160 then like they underestimated their victim and then they're like i'm gonna show you and then they like

04:22:05.360 got them back i'm sure actually i feel like there was like a fighter chicks like a video on that like

04:22:11.840 a there was a a fighter i think this happened yeah i think so like some like mma fighter got

04:22:19.360 attacked and she's like yeah yeah you're about to get up okay wait can i ask a question because

04:22:25.840 you just said anyone that likes women you would choose a bear so like if i spawned oh yeah

04:22:33.760 here's the thing for me it's really the appendage that i have an issue with the appendage that because

04:22:38.640 it's the it's the penetration i'm sorry it's really the penetration aspect that has me in picking the

04:22:46.160 bear okay because that the it's it's really just penetration so yeah even if they like girls i mean

04:22:52.160 even if they didn't like they didn't like women they like men you still would feel great though too

04:22:55.600 it's a trans trans it's like are you picking a human over a bear now i'm like i'm like a girl i would

04:23:01.360 pick a girl over a bear but i wouldn't pick a man over a bear because there's the appendage

04:23:08.320 attached even if he identifies as a woman you still would pick to keep that same um option is what you're

04:23:13.200 saying like even if he's a man that identifies as a woman but he still has a penis you would still

04:23:17.840 pick you you wouldn't pick him if he was sexually attracted to women or if she was then sexually

04:23:22.000 attracted to women no he wasn't he was then no then it would be fine but even with the appendage

04:23:26.960 no no i'm saying listen listen i'm gonna make it clear a man that identifies as a woman but he still

04:23:33.120 has a penis but he's not attracted but he's not attracted to women then he's attracted to uh he's

04:23:39.280 attracted to men but he still has a penis but that's but that's but that's fine because then

04:23:43.680 it it would be the same situation as a gay man they're not attracted to me they wouldn't want to

04:23:48.880 hurt but they still have the penis but i feel like they don't have sexual gratification from from

04:23:55.120 i don't agree okay i don't agree so if we're gonna say if we're gonna say all men it would

04:24:01.360 unfortunately have to include trans because they could do anything i mean just because

04:24:06.640 but if you still have a penis you have a penis yeah but you could do a gay man is

04:24:11.520 going to attack you i told it's about feminism no because a gay man is not going to attack you

04:24:15.760 well you don't know that though you don't know that if they're actually if they're actually

04:24:20.480 but you don't know that though but we do but in this perfect circumstance in this perfect world not

04:24:26.000 going off of what someone says but then we know you prove them you their theory hold on i got

04:24:31.120 some more scenarios it's not a perfect world i got more scenarios talking about a perfect

04:24:34.960 type of that more scenarios more scenarios okay here's the scenario 10 men or 10 bears

04:24:41.200 10 bears really because oh man that's that's even crazy

04:24:57.920 but in the scenario like i feel like in the scenario where it's one man it's like well you're probably

04:25:03.440 thinking well okay you can get away with it but like in society what happened like men are not

04:25:09.120 like cheering on like grapists in fact i can even prove this if you look at for example the prison

04:25:16.240 system right if a man like if a man on the outside gets convicted of like essaying a woman or even worse

04:25:23.680 like if it's like any sort of like children are involved he's got a fucking target on his back and

04:25:28.640 even men who are criminals criminals and you would question their their moral compass their ethics

04:25:35.040 these men will kill that person they'll kill that person in the jail so even among criminals this idea

04:25:41.920 of this there's this grape culture whatever even among criminals they're like these people are targets

04:25:47.520 for for violence and for to literally kill them and let me ask you a question i'm gonna ask you a question

04:25:53.280 okay what is the ultimate potential positive scenario from 10 bears as opposed to the ultimate

04:26:00.720 potential of a positive scenario from 10 men like what's the best a bear can do compared to the best

04:26:05.360 a man of course so when i first said my answer i've pretty much in my mind i the with the first answer

04:26:11.360 one bear one man i've considered the possibility that yes i could get away from a bear but i've also

04:26:17.200 accepted that i might die from that bear and that that that's also a high possibility and that's fine

04:26:22.000 because i would rather die than be essayed i would rather die quickly by many bears tearing me apart

04:26:28.720 than be penetrated by 10 different men that's not what i asked you what i asked you is what's the

04:26:34.560 ultimate potential of the positive scenario of a bear of the bear versus quick the ultimate potential

04:26:40.960 of a positive scenario with the male in other words we're taking away him the bear killing you

04:26:45.040 and we're taking away the man essaying you what is who who outweighs who when it comes to the

04:26:49.200 the best scenario what i'm saying is the best case scenario of the 10 bears versus the 10 man is

04:26:54.720 that the 10 bears quickly kill you like so what's the best case wait oh i don't think i'm saying what

04:27:00.480 i'm sorry it's also possible they just leave you alone yeah it's annoying but what's the

04:27:03.520 possible what's the best i got i got a really good one though i got a really good one they also

04:27:08.560 they can actually help you they can be your friend i'm just saying i don't think y'all understood

04:27:11.760 the question what about 100 men or 100 bears oh my god wow okay if there's 100 men yeah

04:27:21.520 then maybe there is a possibility wait oh no no wait i can even go back to the 10 so earlier the

04:27:27.200 percentage you said is 15 so that's saying 85 so uh let's just say it's uh two of the men they're

04:27:34.400 trying to get you and then the other eight percent of the men would never harm you in any single way

04:27:38.960 so you would have even using your own statistics you would you would have to grant that those eight

04:27:43.920 other men like and they all they're all witnesses to this if those two men tried to target you those

04:27:49.200 eight other men you gotta be realistic they would come to your defense okay right in every in every

04:27:55.600 situation except for any sports team or like hold on it's random men yes it's not a collective sports

04:28:04.960 team okay yes what i'm saying though let me finish god is it nfl hockey what is it saying what i'm

04:28:12.320 saying is it depends on if they're random or if they're buddies because if it's 10 buddies absolutely

04:28:18.480 not i'll pick the 10 i still think i even if they're buddies so you think when men congregate

04:28:24.960 so based on this logic i just want to get to the bottom of this so based on your logic when men

04:28:29.360 congregate there's a likelihood that we're just going to go raping and pillaging excuse me

04:28:34.320 raping and pillaging okay every single time that i have been disappointed morally by people in my

04:28:41.920 life who are men it's when they were together with other men never when they're with women it's when they

04:28:49.040 get together with their buddies with their bros and they make horrible heinous despicable choices that

04:28:54.800 is what happens in my arguing that men do a lot of dumb stuff but does it turn into sa though men

04:29:00.720 might want to jump off a building and do like parkour with some crocodiles but i'm talking about

04:29:06.160 sa when i was in high school the uh i think it was the soccer team no it was the baseball team the

04:29:12.240 baseball team decided to sneak a girl onto the bus and they sexually assaulted her bus driver did nothing

04:29:18.560 and i don't even know how she ended up on the bus but all i know is that she had to change schools

04:29:23.600 after that because the amount of humiliation and what they did to her and no she was not a willing

04:29:29.600 participant and no she did not want to go onto the bus but it was for a sleepaway thing and they yeah

04:29:34.080 they smuggled her on there and they took her against her will okay so back to my other question

04:29:38.160 is there more scary i i i mean listen i get it is there more i just feel like there's more positive

04:29:44.640 scenarios with the man as opposed to i think the best thing the bear can do is just leave you alone

04:29:50.320 the best thing a man can do is a lot of things he can help you out y'all can like each other you can

04:29:57.440 be friends you can actually build something in the forest like i can build stuff my i built my kitchen

04:30:02.160 table but we're saying as opposed to a bear you don't need men oh boy i literally i i'm the handyman

04:30:08.720 in my house not my not my not my we're talking about the best society needs men well like the

04:30:15.520 society needs women and men that being said in my life personally speaking i can survive i can

04:30:21.200 survive in a forest absolutely absent replication and having children removing that component do you

04:30:27.520 think society needs men more than women i don't think one is needed more than the other yeah i don't

04:30:33.840 think that one is needed you guys are just totally ignorant of the like just the reality of men's

04:30:38.640 involvement in certain professions that are like integral to the uh and how many inventions that were

04:30:44.080 taken credit by men that actually were created by women i mean this is a total a lot actually this is

04:30:49.040 a total derailment um even if i grant you that some men took i'm well that's it's such a ridiculous

04:30:54.960 uh response to my point but so going back to my thing so you won't even acknowledge that men

04:31:01.120 have higher representation in certain key fields when it comes to infrastructure in this country

04:31:07.920 i was raised by are you gonna are you gonna answer the question or just give us an anecdote

04:31:13.600 why don't you wait for her to answer the question again it's based all based on experience no no no

04:31:18.960 that's not what i'm saying i was actually raised in a very non-feminism toxic like southern baptist

04:31:25.040 background okay but all of that being said i was raised by my father that i do not need a men in

04:31:32.800 any capacity other people around me tried to constantly say that i needed to have men for

04:31:38.800 one reason or another and that was always but my dad taught me how to do everything that i need to do

04:31:42.400 to survive in the woods in the city anywhere i can i can do it i can fix my car i can build well

04:31:49.040 that was a great non-answer can you answer my question i can acknowledge that men have provided

04:31:55.040 a lot to infrastructure but that doesn't mean that i need one in my life exclusively it doesn't mean that

04:32:00.160 i need one in my yeah but you need it by proxy like are you saying on like an individual like i don't

04:32:05.680 need a husband yeah i don't need a husband i i love my partner and he provides greatness to my life but

04:32:12.560 i am okay with or without a man is but but the fact that you have that idea is because a man made it

04:32:20.080 allowed the world to be that way for you didn't come to that conclusion you go back 200 300 years

04:32:25.120 you wouldn't be able to say that a man made it so comfortable for you to not need a man i would say

04:32:31.360 women also made that by all of their sacrifices women's suffrage pretty much anything that my dad has

04:32:37.520 as a viewpoint that was positive for me is also is is also a direct result to what his family and his

04:32:46.960 like upbringing is and their upbringing you're talking from like i keep saying it's not about

04:32:51.360 us individuals we talk about for the whole world it is the average woman can't take care of herself

04:32:56.400 without no man well maybe i'm not talking about paying the bills we're not talking about the luxury

04:33:01.440 that men have afforded where you can be get paid to press buttons on the computer we talk about in the

04:33:05.840 real world if the grid shut down right now i'm sorry if the grid shut down right now you couldn't

04:33:11.840 be a model you couldn't be because some of these jobs were made out of men's advances in in society

04:33:18.160 so now you feel like you have value because you can be a marketing rep or something like that that's

04:33:23.120 not even a real job in reality like even what i know even what i'm doing i do i do content that's not

04:33:28.800 a real job in reality we have luxuries where we can create jobs if the grid went down and it was just

04:33:35.520 water shelter and human aggression what value would women have more than men in that scenario

04:33:42.480 um we're quieter stealthier um i honestly i i don't understand this like what you're what you're

04:33:50.960 trying you understand it's very clear you might not like it but you understand i don't understand

04:33:55.520 the point of bringing it up i suppose but what i am going to need men is that what you guys want

04:34:00.880 us to say that we need men i don't like i i feel like i need a man

04:34:08.480 how does that solve for women who don't want no we're not trying to solve no it's not about solving

04:34:13.360 because we can't fix women we're just playing a mindset that men are talking about it's not about

04:34:18.960 fixing anything we need women have their mind made up we just said both but that's what i'm saying

04:34:25.520 no you said both what did you she's i'm just saying if the grid i'm just saying the grid went down they

04:34:30.640 would just like she has certain survival skills she's talking about what she has right do you have

04:34:35.360 those survival skills maybe i'll start a family maybe i'll start a club oh so you can survive in the

04:34:38.880 woods with nothing that's really cool that you guys can i don't know if i could but i guess y'all

04:34:44.640 good it's really cool that you guys can do that and like be able to take on what man roles you know

04:34:51.520 that you're saying but like wouldn't it be nice just to have a male do some of the things that like you

04:34:58.240 have to do of what you say like does that make sense i wouldn't it be like a compliment to have a

04:35:05.200 a stronger more fitted man for certain roles like it's just we need men just as much as women or

04:35:13.120 vice versa you know what i'm saying like it's it's great that you can do all the those things but i

04:35:19.120 just think that like we shouldn't hate on men just because we can do those things and we can prove those

04:35:24.720 things like what what are you trying to prove are you trying to be by yourself for the rest of your life

04:35:29.840 like and a man told you you could do it that's what gave you confidence and it was a man a need

04:35:34.080 and a want is two different things though i mean i'm sure women want men but needing and wanting

04:35:40.960 something is two different things why don't you don't need them why because you're thinking about

04:35:44.880 the fact that you can pay your bills alone i'm not talking about financial if things hit the fan you

04:35:49.520 are fucked sweetheart all of all these some men are fucked there's some men that can't survive in the

04:35:54.800 woods i can speak for whoever you so you mean to tell so sweetheart you mean to tell me if you

04:36:00.400 was in the woods right now with nothing you just can just find foliage and and survive and off of

04:36:06.080 dirt and grub so that would go back to experience because i was a girl scout so that's why i'm not

04:36:09.840 even speaking on that because i could i personally could i know i i i really could like i could well when

04:36:16.720 i see these shows like stranded and all that the women be tapping out asap so that's a show

04:36:21.120 it's a reality-based show like come on i don't even think i could do it that well and i'm a man

04:36:26.880 there was there's a show where they put a group of men on an island and a group of women on island

04:36:32.160 and these were like you know they knew what they were getting into i would argue like the average

04:36:37.280 woman is not gonna like want to go through that sort of experience and she doesn't have like the

04:36:41.840 requisite survival skills to do that so this was like a group of survivalist men and like survivalist

04:36:47.520 women and the women they couldn't start a fire they needed to essentially like the show the

04:36:53.440 producers had to basically go in within three days and rescue them otherwise they were gonna die

04:36:58.560 okay and the men were like kicking it fucking the the cabana or whatever the

04:37:02.480 fuck you know they were chilling okay it's a show it's a show and that's some people's experience

04:37:07.600 no yeah it'd be worse no one said it was fake wait wait wait so hold on yes it's a show

04:37:12.960 real life it's even worse if we were to just to randomly pluck out like a hundred woman from the

04:37:18.240 general population throw them on the island versus willing participants in this sort of thing so it's

04:37:23.280 like there's just a difference in like a huge variety of things here i think the original question

04:37:28.880 the original question was do men are women need men and i think the answer to that is no they don't

04:37:36.320 need men air quote they don't need men could everyone can you let me finish because you guys

04:37:42.560 always say let me finish let me finish go ahead now would every woman survive and be able to have

04:37:47.840 all of these skills that are necessary no but are there some women let me finish please let me finish

04:37:55.440 what does the word can you can you let me finish one thing one thing can you let me finish one thing

04:38:01.280 hold on hold on hold on one thing and i'll let you finish here so hold on just to be clear you're

04:38:05.280 talking about survival so like life or death yeah i think the the operative word need is kind of

04:38:10.880 important as it pertains to survival but go ahead okay what i was saying was that no we do not

04:38:16.960 collectively need you there are women that do have those skills that we could support you

04:38:22.400 you're still wrong i'm sorry it's about power it's not about

04:38:25.840 it's not about logic it's about power it's not about can you let me finish go ahead go ahead

04:38:30.400 it's such a ridiculous can't be wrong or right because they're opinions it is about power

04:38:36.880 are there men that have all of those skills just no can you let me finish but i just said

04:38:42.320 if you flip this and reverse it men do not have all of these yes i just missed the elliot yeah

04:39:12.000 men do not have all these skills either they don't have all these skills that's why we need

04:39:16.640 each other survive but i said that can you let me finish but you but i said that i want to say

04:39:21.760 he did say in the beginning i need women and i also said some men can't survive in that scenario

04:39:26.800 either

04:39:35.600 Hey, there we go.

04:39:36.660 Bring it on up.

04:39:37.560 Come on, bring it on up.

04:39:38.080 Come on, bring it on up.

04:39:38.780 I know, I know.

04:39:39.840 You need you more than you need us, right?

04:39:42.140 Are you guys saying that?

04:39:43.900 Guys, guys, guys, hold on, hold on, hold on.

04:39:45.660 I didn't say that.

04:39:46.080 You can't shut up for 10 minutes.

04:39:47.600 That's what you're taking at.

04:39:48.860 Guys, guys, guys, stop, stop.

04:39:50.540 Hey, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.

04:39:53.020 We have been interrupting her.

04:39:54.440 Go ahead.

04:39:55.100 Go ahead.

04:39:55.580 This is the logic.

04:39:57.080 Go ahead.

04:39:57.420 No, no, go.

04:39:57.900 Wait, guys, guys.

04:39:58.500 Everybody, give her a minute.

04:40:01.500 Uninterrupted minute.

04:40:02.160 Go ahead.

04:40:02.940 Go ahead.

04:40:03.660 Thank you, and please don't say anything.

04:40:05.280 So what I was saying.

04:40:06.540 Turn to the mic.

04:40:07.520 Fix your mic.

04:40:08.200 Oh, sorry.

04:40:08.600 Sorry.

04:40:09.080 What I was saying is.

04:40:10.820 Go ahead.

04:40:11.280 That neither men or women would have all of the skills necessary, but women would be

04:40:17.060 able to support each other, and women could continue the race, the population, sorry, without

04:40:23.380 men.

04:40:24.580 How would we be able to reproduce?

04:40:26.440 We actually literally can, though.

04:40:28.260 Like, you can't just, like, get ourselves pregnant, though.

04:40:31.120 Okay, we're getting, like, far in the nitty-gritty here.

04:40:33.080 You mean, what do you mean, sperm banks?

04:40:35.100 Are you talking about sperm banks?

04:40:36.140 But without men, we wouldn't have sperm banks.

04:40:37.960 Oh, really?

04:40:38.580 Exactly.

04:40:39.060 I don't know what I'm saying.

04:40:40.740 Like, hold on.

04:40:41.420 No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not talking about scientifically.

04:40:44.840 There's existing, there's existing sperm banks.

04:40:46.940 No, I'm not talking about existing sperm, sperm banks.

04:40:50.640 Okay, so you mean, how would you continue the species, though?

04:40:52.740 No, I, I read about this.

04:40:54.940 You spoke.

04:40:55.720 No, no, no, no, no.

04:40:56.780 Oh, my God, the bone marrow?

04:40:58.800 I read, can you let her talk, let her talk.

04:41:00.780 Let her go, let her go.

04:41:01.620 Okay, go ahead.

04:41:02.120 Yes, I read about the study that they're developing where women could have babies, and I think

04:41:06.020 it was, I don't know if it was developed for lesbians specifically or, or what, but I

04:41:12.000 I don't know if it's 100% complete yet, but it's a scientific experience.

04:41:20.700 I mean, so you're saying this exists today?

04:41:23.480 Women can asexually reproduce?

04:41:26.660 I'm not 100% sure.

04:41:27.740 Yeah, no, you actually sort of can, but it's guaranteed to be a female.

04:41:32.460 It's in vitro.

04:41:34.040 No, it's sort of.

04:41:35.220 I don't think this is true.

04:41:35.960 I still think we need men, to be honest.

04:41:37.760 But the fact that you've got to grant that, even if we grant that, like, okay, go ahead, go ahead.

04:41:46.680 I'm just saying, because like I said, I made it clear.

04:41:50.380 I said it in this statement.

04:41:51.680 I said there are even some men that would not survive in the woods.

04:41:55.660 Did y'all hear me say that?

04:41:56.720 So I don't think that every man can do it, but it's a difference between feeling and design.

04:42:03.340 We're designed to do it.

04:42:05.060 So even though a man may not know, his body is more equipped to learn it and develop that skill quicker than you are.

04:42:11.700 But from your perspective, and you represent many women in the West, it's not about what makes sense.

04:42:17.420 It's about power.

04:42:19.000 And it's about proving to yourself that you don't need men after men created a world where you don't need them.

04:42:25.260 Men made the world a way so you don't have to need a man because you have jobs where you can just type and get paid.

04:42:31.500 You can do all these things that are basically strictly based on technology that gives you a false sense of superiority and power that if those things were removed from you, you would not win.

04:42:41.840 They had an exhibition, Clarissa Shields.

04:42:43.980 She's a great boxer.

04:42:45.400 She got knocked out by an amateur man.

04:42:48.000 She's a professional boxer.

04:42:50.220 She got knocked out by an amateur man.

04:42:52.300 Because there's a difference between what society tells you versus what you naturally are.

04:42:57.040 I don't care how you feel, what type of bell hooks, books you wrote.

04:43:00.180 You're not designed to lead anything but yourself.

04:43:03.600 Period.

04:43:04.240 But you can tell yourself what you want.

04:43:06.100 But when she hit the fan, we're going to see who can do what.

04:43:08.580 Because it's hitting the fan right now.

04:43:10.160 Thank God it's a few.

04:43:11.280 How old are you?

04:43:12.020 25.

04:43:12.440 God bless you.

04:43:13.040 How old are you?

04:43:13.740 23.

04:43:14.300 How old are you?

04:43:15.680 Exactly.

04:43:16.120 You're 23 years old.

04:43:17.640 You're 34 thinking like that.

04:43:18.880 That's crazy.

04:43:19.460 Oh, you knew my age though.

04:43:20.600 Yeah, because I want you to say it though.

04:43:22.800 That's crazy.

04:43:23.500 They're younger than you.

04:43:24.780 That's just crazy.

04:43:25.500 We're talking about technological advancements a lot right now in this conversation.

04:43:30.120 I talked about nature.

04:43:31.420 But no, we were talking about infrastructure, technological advancements.

04:43:36.480 There's a lot of technological advancements, especially within medicine that was credited

04:43:41.500 and has now been recredited to women.

04:43:43.680 I don't care who the credit is.

04:43:44.780 That was originally credited to men.

04:43:46.580 Kind of giving lots of, lots of medical advancements were initially given credit to men, but it

04:43:54.060 was really their subordinates, which were women who created it and are now giving, getting

04:43:58.620 the credit that they deserve.

04:43:59.920 Fake news.

04:44:00.980 It's absolutely.

04:44:02.100 Imagine they're not.

04:44:02.800 The function of society, the current function of society, we do need men.

04:44:07.840 That is my opinion.

04:44:09.160 Now.

04:44:09.320 Well, to reproduce.

04:44:10.080 Yes, absolutely.

04:44:10.560 No, no, not even, no, not even that.

04:44:12.340 The function of the society we have today, sanitation, welding, underwater fucking jobs.

04:44:18.500 No women.

04:44:19.340 Oh, you know, I can't fucking overgeneralize all women.

04:44:21.940 I have a friend in underwater welding.

04:44:23.640 That's amazing.

04:44:24.340 Well, the one.

04:44:25.340 No, good.

04:44:26.020 Good for you.

04:44:26.600 We got an infographic.

04:44:27.540 But here's the, but here's the thing.

04:44:29.520 These, baby, I don't give a fuck.

04:44:32.460 She doesn't give a fuck.

04:44:33.840 I know, like, yes, of course, there can be women that appreciate and like this job.

04:44:40.160 Statistically and logically looking at it, though, we, we value that men are an asset

04:44:48.160 to the function of society that us majority of women want, need.

04:44:54.340 And I would hate to say, because I don't, yeah, this is a power thing with them.

04:44:59.740 It's not about logic.

04:45:00.780 It's about, we don't need you.

04:45:01.840 It's a power play.

04:45:02.980 It has nothing to do with logic.

04:45:04.180 It's just, they want to see men fall at the behest of women.

04:45:07.880 Some women, they will never say that.

04:45:09.020 I don't think that to be, I don't think that to be true.

04:45:11.520 I mean, that's my opinion.

04:45:12.820 I'll die on that, so it.

04:45:13.920 I've never said that men were not an asset or that they're not important.

04:45:18.940 But what we were saying, sorry, I don't mean to speak for you.

04:45:22.080 What I was saying was that men weren't necessary in, in your, your, whatever you just said.

04:45:30.380 I will say this, there was a point brought in up.

04:45:32.880 It was stupidity.

04:45:33.940 I bet it was.

04:45:34.720 I know, I know.

04:45:35.340 There was a point brought in up to sit like, because I would hate as a woman to hear this

04:45:38.880 to say like, oh, the only thing we need you to do, reproduce.

04:45:41.540 That would make me see right if a man said that.

04:45:43.240 So to say that to a man is crazy, in my opinion, to say that you're only here to reproduce.

04:45:48.380 Well, no.

04:45:48.740 Like, you know, like, that's crazy.

04:45:50.140 We're talking about in a hypothetical.

04:45:51.340 I'm never talking to women ever again.

04:45:52.800 We were talking in a hypothetical situation.

04:45:55.720 I know, but if the hypothetical was.

04:45:57.940 Because men.

04:45:58.480 We only need men to reproduce is actually a crazy thought.

04:46:01.880 Because you could flip that.

04:46:03.080 What were they saying women were for, though?

04:46:03.800 That's literally.

04:46:04.440 We never limited you to anything.

04:46:05.620 But the thing is, that never left his mouth.

04:46:07.500 No, we didn't.

04:46:07.900 It did leave you to anything.

04:46:08.200 We just said you're not physically capable of doing what we're doing.

04:46:10.920 But I said, I said, men, I said, we need you.

04:46:13.480 And I also said, men can't, some things men can't even do that other men can do.

04:46:17.360 So I acquiesce to both of those things.

04:46:19.180 And I'm not into the power struggle.

04:46:20.600 I'm into logic.

04:46:21.340 It would make sense.

04:46:22.560 Women can't do everything that men do.

04:46:24.360 And men can't do everything women do.

04:46:25.920 Here, let's pull up the infographic.

04:46:27.840 Can you pull that up, Damon?

04:46:29.920 All right.

04:46:30.360 Oh, can you do right-click, open the new tab on the image?

04:46:36.240 We're going to get that going here in just a sec, guys.

04:46:38.460 We have a quick infographic we're going to pull up.

04:46:40.880 But guys, like the video if you're enjoying the stream.

04:46:43.620 Like the video.

04:46:45.200 And you got it?

04:46:46.920 Okay.

04:46:47.500 Make it bigger, please.

04:46:49.800 All right.

04:46:50.380 Top 20 most dangerous U.S. occupations and percentage male.

04:46:54.280 Logging workers, 95% male.

04:46:56.500 Fishing workers, 99.9%.

04:46:58.680 Aircraft pilots, 94%.

04:47:00.360 Roofers, 98%.

04:47:01.640 Refuse, so garbage collectors, 91%.

04:47:04.760 Truck drivers, 94%.

04:47:06.240 Iron and steel workers, 98%.

04:47:07.760 Farmers and ranchers, this is where you get your food, 75%.

04:47:10.820 Agricultural workers, 79%.

04:47:14.140 Recycle, recycle, oh my God, I can't speak English.

04:47:17.840 Recyclable materials workers, 91%.

04:47:19.800 Mining, this includes oil and gas, 99.9%.

04:47:23.000 Landscaping, 95%.

04:47:24.640 Construction workers, 97%.

04:47:26.040 Cement and concrete, make me smaller, please.

04:47:28.660 Cement and concrete manufacturing, 97%.

04:47:31.540 No, I just...

04:47:32.720 What?

04:47:35.020 Our faces are in the way.

04:47:36.520 We're blocked.

04:47:37.540 Oh.

04:47:38.240 So make us smaller on the...

04:47:40.180 Right small.

04:47:40.820 Right small.

04:47:43.000 Yeah, then you got...

04:47:43.900 Okay.

04:47:45.360 Did I say cement and concrete manufacturing?

04:47:47.760 Electrical power line workers, 99.

04:47:49.640 Police, 85.

04:47:51.600 Maintenance and repair workers, 97.

04:47:54.000 Taxi drivers, whatever.

04:47:56.320 Oh, great.

04:47:57.000 I'm going to get canceled by the taxi association.

04:47:59.400 Support activities for mining, 99%.

04:48:01.720 Mining, except oil and gas, 99%.

04:48:04.000 So, okay, like, these are critical infrastructure jobs, majority men, like, it would be to total societal collapse if all men disappeared.

04:48:15.060 World War II happened.

04:48:17.540 How is that relevant?

04:48:18.240 All of the men went to war, and who picked up the slack?

04:48:21.100 Who worked in the steel?

04:48:22.360 There were still men doing the jobs.

04:48:25.740 Women picked up all the slack.

04:48:27.260 That, that is, that's who came in to do all the men's jobs.

04:48:30.860 So, look, there are some women who are, but, okay, the scenario that I'm kind of thinking about in my head here is that, like, you snap your fingers.

04:48:37.060 So, women don't have the requisite amount of time to, like, do the preparation and get the women in these fields in order to be, like, representative and have enough there to actually enter them.

04:48:47.620 So, because these fields are currently predominated by men, if you snapped your fingers and women didn't have the time to, like, you had 20 years to prepare for all men disappearing, if it just happened, like, instantly, you would, you guys would be fucked.

04:49:04.240 It would be difficult.

04:49:05.820 No, it wouldn't.

04:49:06.020 But we would have to count on that one point.

04:49:08.120 It would be catastrophic.

04:49:09.160 It would be catastrophic.

04:49:11.100 But it would be impossible.

04:49:12.580 What he was saying is that we would not survive.

04:49:16.440 Stop, stop, stop.

04:49:17.300 Hold on.

04:49:17.600 Let me give a couple clarifying things here.

04:49:19.720 So, in either scenario, let's say all men die, all women die.

04:49:23.800 Either scenario, it's the end of the human species eventually.

04:49:27.120 Both scenarios, if all men survive, all the women are gone.

04:49:33.380 It's the end of the species.

04:49:35.680 All the men disappear.

04:49:37.300 Women are still there.

04:49:38.360 End of the species.

04:49:39.760 For either one.

04:49:40.780 However, I think there's a differential here.

04:49:42.880 Just, it's not to, like, dunk on women.

04:49:45.400 It's just, like, the sheer, undisputable, incontrovertible.

04:49:50.680 Incontrovertible?

04:49:51.920 Is that the word?

04:49:53.240 Incontrovertible?

04:49:53.900 I don't know.

04:49:54.720 It's something like that.

04:49:55.420 It's okay.

04:49:55.740 Reality of just the fact that men are so enmeshed in, like, critical infrastructure jobs that uphold, like, the society at large.

04:50:07.060 Women are not represented in these jobs in significant amount of numbers where if there was some, like, scenario where all men disappeared, there wouldn't be enough women to fill it.

04:50:17.140 And, like, the cascading and domino effect of just the catastrophe that would happen if you had all men disappear who are making sure every single hour, every single day that there isn't some, like, massive shit hits the fan situation.

04:50:30.500 Everything would just start collapsing.

04:50:32.000 Water, sewage, electricity, gas, fuel refinement, garbage collection, telecommunications, IT infrastructure, road maintenance, all these things.

04:50:39.200 Truck and delivery drivers.

04:50:40.420 Your food's gone.

04:50:41.420 Your water's gone.

04:50:42.400 Your electricity's gone.

04:50:43.440 Without these things, people are going to starve.

04:50:45.240 There's going to be fires.

04:50:46.380 There's going to be all kinds of probably crimes occurring.

04:50:49.460 That's kind of to the side, though.

04:50:51.360 Yeah.

04:50:51.920 It's going to be, like, it's going to suck for men.

04:50:55.460 They'll live to old age.

04:50:58.860 The women, I'd say, like, 50% of women are dead within three weeks.

04:51:03.560 I'm not saying that's, like, dunk on the women.

04:51:05.420 It's just the reality of the representation in infrastructure jobs.

04:51:07.980 What we're talking about is, like, these job fields that are predominantly men.

04:51:11.760 But what we are seeing is that a lot of women who, you know, regardless of whether or not some of us like that or dislike that, were in a more masculine era, a lot more women are open to being in these job fields and wanting to be in these job fields.

04:51:30.740 And so maybe right now that is a high potential that we would fail.

04:51:35.380 But maybe in 10, 20 years' time, that's not going to be the same situation.

04:51:40.040 Because they're going to evolve and become, like, super men and women, right?

04:51:42.700 No.

04:51:42.920 I think that more women will go into workforces that are predominantly men because now there's more of a space.

04:51:49.380 Because they have to.

04:51:49.560 Because it's a necessity, not a choice.

04:51:51.760 Thank you.

04:51:52.100 Men give us choice.

04:51:53.700 Thank you.

04:51:54.220 I got a friend that does that.

04:51:55.260 Men gave women choice.

04:51:55.940 They also took choice away.

04:51:57.680 Life isn't fair.

04:51:59.280 I know women that do that type of work.

04:52:01.160 And she don't want to do it.

04:52:02.420 She does it out of necessity because she has a younger child.

04:52:05.800 So women are getting to these fields because they're having children.

04:52:09.200 And they don't have a man there.

04:52:11.460 So it's not what they want to do.

04:52:12.920 Because right now, with all that stuff you know, guess what you're doing?

04:52:15.820 You're a model.

04:52:16.780 You're not out there saving Smokey the Bear.

04:52:18.980 So even with all those skills you got, you don't want to do that shit.

04:52:21.960 So it sounds good to win an argument.

04:52:24.180 But we love to win these arguments.

04:52:26.140 But people are really listening to us.

04:52:27.820 So let's ask this question.

04:52:29.300 What would be more advantageous for a woman to listen to what you're talking about or to try to find her place into what we're talking about?

04:52:34.960 In reality, it may feel good.

04:52:36.980 It may feel good and sound good on the view and all that type of shit.

04:52:40.400 But real women who try to do that is going to fail.

04:52:42.360 Because that's not what they want to do.

04:52:44.000 Women want to be pretty.

04:52:44.860 They want to be soft.

04:52:45.760 And that's dope.

04:52:46.760 Ain't nothing wrong with it.

04:52:47.500 There's a power in being feminine.

04:52:49.140 But feminism have told you that the power is in mimicking men.

04:52:52.820 So they need to just change the world and stop calling it feminism.

04:52:55.240 Because ain't nothing feminine about it.

04:52:56.500 All they want to do is compete with men.

04:52:58.080 That shit is stupid.

04:52:58.980 Okay.

04:52:59.140 Feminism is about choice.

04:53:01.200 Yeah, to be men.

04:53:02.140 Some of us choose to have a more soft approach and some of us choose to have a more masculine approach.

04:53:08.980 Because men have a fortitude ability to do that.

04:53:11.360 Most women don't want to do that shit.

04:53:13.380 Are you going to cut everything off?

04:53:14.700 No, go ahead.

04:53:15.220 I'm sorry.

04:53:15.660 Go ahead.

04:53:15.880 Thank you.

04:53:20.040 What I was saying is that feminism is the opportunity to choose.

04:53:25.040 It's to choose what you want for yourself and that life.

04:53:28.800 If you want to be a stay-at-home mom, that is your choice.

04:53:33.240 And that's a valid choice.

04:53:34.480 And all the power to you, girl.

04:53:36.540 I love that for you.

04:53:38.760 I do.

04:53:39.760 But that has to be your choice.

04:53:41.200 It can't be someone forcing you into that position.

04:53:43.380 If you want to be a stay-at-home mom, that is your choice and that should be your choice.

04:53:47.760 Not someone forcing you or financially manipulating you or whatever it is into that decision.

04:53:54.300 And feminism, real feminism, supports every woman's choice, not just the harder, more masculine.

04:54:01.920 What I'm talking about in a lot of these topics that we were talking about is my personal experience.

04:54:08.600 I think I have a pretty balanced mix of feminine and hard energy based off of all of my life experiences combined.

04:54:19.780 That's going to be different for every woman.

04:54:21.660 I'm not trying to push my choices for what I want onto some other woman.

04:54:27.140 But what I'm saying is my choices and my opinions are valid for my experience and for my life.

04:54:31.120 And I respect that.

04:54:32.300 But we have to, unfortunately...

04:54:33.840 Member man donated $200.

04:54:36.380 I'll have you respond.

04:54:37.060 This is the dumbest dumb to have ever dumbed.

04:54:39.880 Men and women are complimentary.

04:54:41.940 So maybe compliment each other instead of acting like opponents.

04:54:46.140 But choosing a bear over a man is dumb too.

04:54:48.720 Yo, Birdman, thank you for the $200 TTS.

04:54:52.640 We also have another one coming in here in just a sec from...

04:54:55.840 Sorry for the delay on that, Birdman.

04:54:57.460 We have a bit of a moderation delay.

04:54:59.860 But thank you so much for the TTS, man.

04:55:01.300 I really appreciate it.

04:55:01.840 We have Just Gerald here.

04:55:03.800 Thank you.

04:55:04.020 Just Gerald donated $200.

04:55:07.020 Not one woman at this table could last a month's working construction in the death grip of an Alaskan winter.

04:55:13.280 Or survive for a month without electricity.

04:55:16.040 Or last a week on the oil fields.

04:55:19.160 Yo, thank you, man.

04:55:20.040 Gerald, really appreciate it.

04:55:20.840 Somebody in my DM sent me.

04:55:22.160 He works in infrastructure.

04:55:24.300 And he said, in the better part of a decade working in critical infrastructure,

04:55:28.720 you know how many women I've encountered who deal with major outages at 2 a.m.?

04:55:36.060 Zero.

04:55:37.040 Every engineer, manager, vendor, other experts, and boots on the ground dealing with a huge problem at stupid o'clock.

04:55:43.600 All men.

04:55:44.340 Which is why we get paid more money than working a 9-to-5 job.

04:55:46.900 That's what he wrote.

04:55:47.620 What do you guys get from being so defensive about acknowledging that men and women are supposed to be complementary in society?

04:56:00.940 And there is a necessity for them.

04:56:03.720 Why you guys get so...

04:56:05.860 What do you gain from it?

04:56:07.840 For me, I'm not saying that men and women aren't complementary or that, you know, that men and women don't need each other.

04:56:18.320 But you just fought against that.

04:56:20.280 Yes, because he was saying in his little speech that women cannot survive without men.

04:56:29.300 And I was trying to point out that there is a possibility that we can survive without men.

04:56:33.700 There's a possibility that I could fly.

04:56:35.520 What is the benefit for men wanting to point all of this out to, and if we're going to flip all of this...

04:56:44.760 Just being factual?

04:56:46.300 Well, these, a lot of, a lot of these facts and a lot...

04:56:51.440 I'll just, I'll just say this right now.

04:56:53.980 When I was DM'd regarding this opportunity, I was anticipating that it was going to be a dating podcast.

04:57:02.940 And honestly...

04:57:03.600 It's related.

04:57:04.440 Honestly, all of these questions have been very targeted.

04:57:07.680 So for, I think, I'm not going to speak on your part, but on me, what I was told this was going to be is very different from what it is.

04:57:16.400 I mean, feminism is, like, massive parts about dating.

04:57:21.320 But there's a million other things that are going on in the dating world, especially what it was referred to was the dating world here in L.A.

04:57:30.180 And this is, nothing really is, we're talking about is exclusive to L.A. or exclusive to L.A. dating culture.

04:57:37.300 Like, a lot of the things that is what I was interpreting this was going to be about kind of seems like it's all from the male's perspective.

04:57:44.560 And the male's perspective on dating.

04:57:47.180 So that's...

04:57:47.980 I mean, there's seven women at the table.

04:57:49.740 Yes, but the answers...

04:57:51.820 Baring out your perspectives.

04:57:53.360 I'm aware, but it's all of the questions that you're asking and that have been asked so far.

04:57:58.680 It's like the man and the bear.

04:57:59.760 All of the viral things that have gone on that have gotten men and women into arguments.

04:58:05.580 We're not talking...

04:58:07.580 I feel like these questions are made to get some aggressive feelings.

04:58:12.180 And it's not necessarily like a...

04:58:15.640 Oh, we're having fun.

04:58:16.580 Yeah.

04:58:17.020 I don't think it's...

04:58:18.060 I think it highlights a huge issue in the dating society is people that are so aggressive as females.

04:58:24.700 This is the underdog.

04:58:25.280 I want to say, I changed my answer.

04:58:26.720 And their role in...

04:58:27.960 And it can go the other way, too.

04:58:28.880 Men are hyper-feminine.

04:58:30.080 And it can go the other way, too.

04:58:32.660 But...

04:58:32.900 Also, I mean, like, didn't mean to cut you off there, but I do think a big part of, like...

04:58:37.620 One of the big things when it comes to dating is, like, do we have the same values?

04:58:41.120 And there's, like...

04:58:42.260 I think that's pretty important.

04:58:45.700 So, I don't think these things are totally beyond the pale in terms of...

04:58:50.620 I feel like it's more of an eye opener.

04:58:51.340 And sometimes you have tangents and you go into these other...

04:58:53.300 Because if you flip this and put women in front of men, now we would have a problem with it.

04:58:57.720 We genuinely would.

04:58:58.440 We can't say that we couldn't.

04:58:59.640 Because me, if I heard it, I'd be like, you're being sexist.

04:59:02.120 If we're doing the same thing, we're being sexist.

04:59:03.800 Like, we are.

04:59:04.280 And people need to hear this because, like I said, we've got to stop speaking from just our personal perspective, like me.

04:59:13.000 That brother who was talking about what he went through with the woman, with the girl.

04:59:16.860 I wouldn't have did that, but he's not like me.

04:59:19.460 So, I would rather give information that's more digestible by the average person.

04:59:24.200 The average woman doesn't want to do these survival scenarios.

04:59:28.100 So, just to pretend, to say it's possible, just to get a point for the woman team is a power play more so than something beneficial for women.

04:59:37.300 Because women are hive-minded that are...

04:59:39.080 Like, even men.

04:59:40.060 Doing these podcasts, you'll be surprised how many people will watch this and say, that's what it is.

04:59:44.600 And it's not what it is.

04:59:46.000 So, why not speak from the general consensus and not just speak from these nuanced perspectives?

04:59:51.320 We just showed you a chart with damn near 99, not 94, 99% of most of those jobs were taken by men.

04:59:59.880 What's the argument?

05:00:01.200 There is no argument.

05:00:02.540 And it's okay.

05:00:03.320 It doesn't mean men are better than women.

05:00:04.860 But why can't we be honest and say, hey, I know how to do a lot of stuff with my hands, but the average woman doesn't want to do that.

05:00:10.280 That doesn't mean you're weak.

05:00:11.520 It actually means you're strong.

05:00:12.980 Because admitting vulnerability is a strength.

05:00:15.260 It's not a weakness.

05:00:15.840 Say that you can improve, that you can do these hard jobs.

05:00:21.360 Like, what is the end goal of you proving that you can do all of these hard tasks that men can do?

05:00:30.240 We're talking in this entire podcast, we've been talking about hypothetical situations, right?

05:00:36.360 And that's what we're talking on.

05:00:38.840 And then the moment that I say my opinion of a hypothetical situation, it's, oh, well, you hate men.

05:00:44.120 We're not talking, I'm not talking about all men.

05:00:46.180 And I'm not talking about, you know, whether or not I value men in the work field.

05:00:52.340 Who's your name?

05:00:53.080 Okay.

05:00:53.500 Yeah, I'm not, I'm not saying anything, I'm not saying anything about that.

05:00:56.680 Wait, can I jump in really quick?

05:00:58.580 So you said not all men, but you said, even if the chance is 1%, I'm willing to throw 99% of men under the bus.

05:01:06.140 For the bear?

05:01:07.020 For the bear.

05:01:07.740 For that, in that situation, because the only person I'm hurting is myself in that.

05:01:11.640 I don't go around my daily life insulting men or being mean to men.

05:01:17.340 But if I had the situation that was a hypothetical, I would choose that situation for myself.

05:01:23.660 And that's perfectly valid for me to choose that for myself.

05:01:27.200 Sure.

05:01:27.280 That being said, I don't go around my daily life and demasculine, you know, whatever it is that is this kind of narrative amongst feminists that we hate men.

05:01:42.140 I love men.

05:01:43.500 Okay?

05:01:43.840 I have no problem with men.

05:01:45.660 That being said.

05:01:46.840 Do you?

05:01:47.480 I do.

05:01:48.240 I don't think they said that either.

05:01:49.800 I have so many male friends.

05:01:51.800 That being said, a random guy who I can't vet, who I don't know anything about, is very different from a friend.

05:01:58.200 I want to say something real fast.

05:02:00.600 Like, just because, like, you just pointed fingers at them.

05:02:03.520 They just pointed fingers at you as what you thought.

05:02:05.720 Like, it is, we, it's hard to explain, but we're just sitting here pointing fingers at each other and trying to literally just claim the power.

05:02:14.520 Like, that's good that women can do these hard jobs.

05:02:17.560 But, like, why is there such a big movement of all of the women doing all of the hard jobs and all of the women being able to do the masculine things?

05:02:25.860 Like, what is the movement?

05:02:28.120 What is, like, the behind, like, motive of it?

05:02:30.720 No one's trying to claim any power.

05:02:32.620 We were just trying to answer a hypothetical question.

05:02:34.880 Yeah, well, she was saying that they were saying that, they were saying that you hate men, and you literally just said that they practically hated women, right?

05:02:44.780 I don't think anyone said that we hated men or women.

05:02:47.800 I don't think you hate women.

05:02:48.820 I don't think we hate men.

05:02:49.660 I think the topics are very, like, kind of seeming to be, like, a little one-sided.

05:02:53.300 Yeah.

05:02:53.540 I do agree with her.

05:02:54.780 These topics are very, like, one-sided.

05:02:57.320 Like, at a point where I'm just like, you know what?

05:02:59.900 You got it.

05:03:00.840 You got it.

05:03:01.780 Be great.

05:03:02.440 W, patriarchy wins.

05:03:03.880 Yes.

05:03:04.280 We, at this point, I'm just sitting back because it's like, it's very one-sided.

05:03:08.500 Like, have we even reversed roles to have us ask?

05:03:12.000 We can do it.

05:03:12.440 Don't want us to tell me something.

05:03:13.580 It's getting late at this point.

05:03:16.900 We've been here for a while.

05:03:17.720 And everybody's a little antsy.

05:03:19.500 Just how she feels about, like, not choosing, like, choosing the man, uh, the man, is how you feel about women wearing provocative clothing and not choosing them.

05:03:26.760 That's what she's trying to say.

05:03:28.020 That doesn't make sense.

05:03:28.620 You have a valid opinion.

05:03:30.500 That is no comparison.

05:03:30.780 That is like...

05:03:31.500 No, but I'm saying you have a valid opinion, and that's your opinion.

05:03:35.340 That's okay.

05:03:35.740 That's her opinion, basically.

05:03:37.320 We need to get hostile and mad at each other.

05:03:39.560 You have asked a question, though, multiple times, and that, to me, and the question is, what is there to gain?

05:03:45.900 Or, what is the end goal of women being able to do masculine jobs?

05:03:50.660 And, what I would say is the fact that women previously were not allowed in spaces to do those jobs meant that they didn't have the option.

05:03:59.500 Wait, which jobs?

05:04:00.020 We have the option now, though, luckily.

05:04:00.960 Wait, wait.

05:04:01.300 Yes, but now we have the option.

05:04:02.860 So, that is the end goal.

05:04:05.080 Wait, hold on.

05:04:05.220 So, I just feel like we might know what we have the option now.

05:04:07.820 Wait, wait.

05:04:08.400 Wait, wait.

05:04:08.600 The option, they're not picking it.

05:04:09.460 Wait, so you're saying women were, like...

05:04:10.920 It's a power play.

05:04:11.520 Like, you're saying, like, women, because of male sexism, they were barred from underwater welding?

05:04:17.760 Is that your argument?

05:04:19.280 No.

05:04:19.720 What I'm saying is, first of all, in some fields, women were not allowed to, yes.

05:04:25.620 But, in some fields, it was just, there were so many men, and also, it was not socially acceptable.

05:04:31.640 And, we are seeing an uptick in women wanting to pick up those jobs.

05:04:35.360 And, I don't think that there should be, this shouldn't be, like, a politicized or, like, crazy thing.

05:04:41.920 It's just, no matter what the sex, they want to do it.

05:04:44.100 Why are you attributing it to some, like, vague, nebulous sexism on behalf of men?

05:04:49.120 Like, when it comes to a lot of these jobs, it has nothing to do with vague, nebulous sexism.

05:04:53.600 Women are just not physically capable of doing a lot of these jobs.

05:04:57.300 Do you disagree?

05:04:58.760 I feel like the majority of women don't want to do these jobs.

05:05:00.940 And they don't want to do these jobs.

05:05:01.660 I want to say, I don't want to be a coal miner.

05:05:02.860 Even if they're, like, I'm not doing that, I feel like I'm definitely not doing that.

05:05:06.340 They just don't want to do the job.

05:05:06.880 But, biologically, too, have you taken anatomy and physiology or evolutionary medicine?

05:05:12.600 Okay, yeah, because I have a degree in it, and I work in it.

05:05:16.040 That's true.

05:05:16.660 And, there is a physiological, fundamental difference in biological men and biological women.

05:05:27.380 Just for the sake of this argument, how we regulate protein synthesis, how our literal bodies, our musculature, our physiology, our psychology, there is a natural adaptive advantage through evolution to serve the proof that we, we, they are better suited for a lot.

05:05:48.000 Certain areas.

05:05:49.020 Like, areas.

05:05:50.240 That's why they separate them in fucking sports for the Olympics.

05:05:52.520 I mean, there is, there is, you, that's why there's fundamental in women's sports.

05:05:57.300 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

05:05:57.740 Go ahead.

05:05:58.040 You can answer it to her.

05:05:58.840 Go ahead.

05:05:59.120 No, I agree that we are, I agree with that statement.

05:06:03.360 That being said, just because someone might be better suited because they're 6'6 and have more muscle on them doesn't mean that a woman can't also be capable.

05:06:13.780 All of these hypotheticals was whether or not someone was capable is what I was speaking to.

05:06:20.040 There are just, look, there are just some.

05:06:20.740 Not whether or not it should.

05:06:22.780 So, yes, can some women do these jobs?

05:06:24.960 Sure.

05:06:25.440 But there are just some jobs that, like, might be physically available to say, I don't know, 50% of men, right?

05:06:32.060 There's some men that can't do the jobs either, right?

05:06:33.900 Like, I couldn't do roofing.

05:06:36.160 I'd probably, like, give up after a day, right?

05:06:38.020 But if, like, let's say only 50% of men can do it, well, that's still 50% of men, whereas, like, what if it's only, like, 0.01% of women have the actual physical capability of doing it?

05:06:49.880 And if it's that small, what's the point of bringing it up outside of this winter argument?

05:06:54.200 Because we were talking about hypotheticals and the situation of whether or not it was, if women were capable to do those things.

05:07:01.060 It's not that I'm saying more women, that I'm disagreeing with your statement that more men do these fields or that they're predominantly male fields.

05:07:09.380 They're more capable.

05:07:09.960 Yes.

05:07:10.700 What I was saying is that women are still capable of doing that.

05:07:14.780 And I don't understand why that is such a hot take.

05:07:18.040 It's not.

05:07:18.560 We think women are capable of doing it.

05:07:20.500 We're doing it good, doing it well, or just doing it.

05:07:23.560 But not a lot of us.

05:07:24.980 But that does not mean it's.

05:07:26.340 That's the problem.

05:07:27.000 We never said we wanted to do it.

05:07:28.940 That's not what you guys initially said.

05:07:30.800 What did we initially say?

05:07:31.640 Initially, you were saying it wasn't about being capable.

05:07:34.060 It was about men can do this.

05:07:36.460 This is what men are doing.

05:07:38.260 Women cannot do that.

05:07:39.480 And they don't want to do it.

05:07:40.540 That was the argument.

05:07:41.580 I'm listening.

05:07:42.120 Thank you.

05:07:42.860 Thank you.

05:07:43.740 No, no, no.

05:07:44.520 I'm observing.

05:07:45.340 We're not saying all women want to do this.

05:07:46.820 But that wasn't the initial argument.

05:07:49.220 You said that women weren't capable.

05:07:50.540 Yes, some women.

05:07:50.860 But there are some women.

05:07:52.340 Yes, but most women are not physically capable of doing it.

05:07:56.200 And even if you add to the women who can do it, they don't want to do it.

05:08:01.400 And I agree with that.

05:08:02.620 But that was not the original argument.

05:08:04.660 Damien, pull up the cockroach manhole video.

05:08:07.700 Pull it up.

05:08:08.140 Go ahead.

05:08:09.600 Get it quick, please.

05:08:09.900 That sounds like an interesting video.

05:08:12.540 I think that's crazy.

05:08:13.440 All right.

05:08:14.620 Play it.

05:08:16.540 Make it bigger, please.

05:08:18.860 Yeah, I'm not doing that.

05:08:19.660 All right.

05:08:22.560 Look, most women could have a little hose and start from the beginning, please.

05:08:26.920 Just let it play through.

05:08:29.280 Oh, come on.

05:08:32.340 Like, there's more men.

05:08:35.360 Like, a lot of women could get down into a manhole and do this.

05:08:40.040 Yeah.

05:08:40.540 So it's not even just about capability.

05:08:42.160 It's about, like, willingness to do those jobs.

05:08:44.500 Most women are not willing to do, like, the sort of gross, these sorts of jobs.

05:08:50.020 Yeah.

05:08:50.360 Men are.

05:08:51.400 What I was saying in these hypothetical situations was that if the world ended, that we would be able to do that.

05:08:58.640 Not that we want to do that.

05:08:59.820 Not that I want to crawl into a manhole with a bunch of cockroaches.

05:09:03.020 But I could potentially do that if my life depended on it, if civilization depended on it.

05:09:08.900 This world wouldn't be here if one race was there and the other one wasn't.

05:09:13.380 So, like, I just still don't understand the end goal of the world.

05:09:15.780 We understand that.

05:09:17.620 It was just a hypothetical question that we were trying to answer.

05:09:20.120 You could do it, yes.

05:09:21.320 There was no winning here.

05:09:22.900 I don't think they're bashing you guys.

05:09:24.620 Yeah, there is no winning in this circumstance, in this situation.

05:09:27.800 We're strictly talking about hypotheticals and the fact of how these questions are worded to make it seem a little, perhaps, biased.

05:09:36.320 I mean, it's hypothetical to bring out actual logic.

05:09:39.460 So, hypothetically, it's a scenario, but the logic is really applied in real life, and it doesn't make sense.

05:09:45.220 So, take hypotheticals removed away from it.

05:09:48.060 Would y'all, do women you know would want to do that?

05:09:51.040 Yes or no?

05:09:51.320 I want to say the statistics were pulled up.

05:09:52.800 It was like 90% of men did the men job.

05:09:54.740 So, what's the point?

05:09:55.980 Besides us, because I've heard...

05:09:57.660 We were responding to your hypothetical question.

05:09:59.120 Okay, so take away that.

05:10:00.720 What's the...

05:10:01.080 Because someone bring that up.

05:10:02.280 You do HVAC, right?

05:10:03.680 I'm certified for it, but I just do management now.

05:10:06.620 Oh, okay.

05:10:07.000 I don't know how to fight about the management.

05:10:07.880 But it's a dirty job that women are...

05:10:10.600 Some women are doing that.

05:10:12.780 Some women are doing that, but they're doing it...

05:10:14.940 Most of it, I see, are women as...

05:10:17.060 I'm not trying to be racist, but a lot of Mexican women are doing it with their husbands.

05:10:20.380 So, they have like a group business.

05:10:21.940 So, they're actually doing it with their man.

05:10:23.920 The women that I know that are doing it on their own is because they have to, and they need money to take care of their children because they're single mothers.

05:10:31.240 They have to, but they don't want to.

05:10:33.640 And sometimes when women take on those jobs, they take on those jobs at the expense of their femininity.

05:10:41.020 They become a lot more aggressive.

05:10:42.700 They become a lot more masculine.

05:10:44.080 So, yeah, they're able to make money, but it's slowly declining their relatability to men.

05:10:50.960 So, it's like, yeah, they're doing it, but what's the end goal?

05:10:53.780 What do they acquire from doing this outside of taking care of themselves economically?

05:10:58.440 They're not happy.

05:10:59.700 They're lonely.

05:11:00.240 A lot of them are miserable, but they're just doing men's jobs.

05:11:03.440 So, even though women can do it, if it's such a small percentage of women doing it, to bring it up is irrelevant outside of just winning an argument.

05:11:11.400 No, in this hypothetical situation, there were no men, so why do we need to be feminine?

05:11:16.160 Huh?

05:11:16.980 Guys, I do want to move things on.

05:11:20.760 In your hypothetical situation.

05:11:21.780 You've been stuck on this for a while.

05:11:24.240 I'll bring it back to a dating question.

05:11:25.960 I do have one chat here.

05:11:27.820 Meet the Kaiser chair one.

05:11:29.040 My ex was the same.

05:11:29.920 Also, a waitress had BPD.

05:11:31.420 We lived together for three years.

05:11:32.920 Then split.

05:11:33.900 Very similar.

05:11:34.640 She never listened to her therapist.

05:11:36.220 Just chatted.

05:11:37.040 Is therapy helpful?

05:11:37.880 What do we think?

05:11:38.360 Quick answer on this.

05:11:39.560 Therapy is helpful if you want it to be helpful, but if you don't want help, you can't get help, to be honest.

05:11:43.980 Now, going around the table, bringing it back to dating, so in this, my new thing I'm doing here, the question is, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?

05:11:55.700 If you guys can, just repeat whatever you wrote in here, starting with you.

05:11:59.780 Go ahead.

05:12:00.000 I said money doesn't really matter as long as the needs are met, because I mean, like, I'm not, if I really like a person, I don't like them for their things, I like them for them.

05:12:08.200 So, like, if needs are met, roof's overhead, food on the table, what really more can you ask for, I guess?

05:12:13.900 Okay.

05:12:14.760 You said you don't care.

05:12:15.820 I said I don't care.

05:12:18.020 With my seven-year-long relationship, there has been points in which he got laid off and wasn't working.

05:12:26.360 There's points where I was not working, and we support each other.

05:12:30.260 It's an equal partnership, what we have.

05:12:32.880 So, it does not matter what he makes.

05:12:36.120 So, if he came to you and he said, you want kids one day, right?

05:12:39.520 I want to eventually adopt, I think.

05:12:42.000 Adopt.

05:12:42.400 But you don't want biological children?

05:12:45.080 No.

05:12:45.820 Just, it's not something that's in the cards for me.

05:12:48.680 Just curious, have you talked to your boyfriend, seven-year boyfriend, about this?

05:12:52.480 Yes.

05:12:53.420 He's with you, adoption?

05:12:55.980 Yeah, he understands.

05:12:57.340 I can't have children, pretty much, even if I really wanted to.

05:13:02.040 And the other thing is, I am a carrier for, my whole family is genetically pretty much fucked.

05:13:08.580 So, I have lupus, my whole family has, like, autoimmune diseases.

05:13:13.300 I don't think that it would be responsible for me to pass those genes along to another child.

05:13:19.180 Okay.

05:13:19.520 Fair enough.

05:13:19.800 So, in any case, so if you're, if your boyfriend, if he's, like, when you do want to adopt, though.

05:13:29.280 Yeah, I do.

05:13:29.800 One kid, two kids?

05:13:31.260 Probably two.

05:13:32.120 Two.

05:13:32.460 Two or three.

05:13:32.760 If he was, like, hey, I want to be a stay-at-home father for our adopted children, you'd be okay with that.

05:13:37.780 Oh, that's already the plan.

05:13:38.980 Like, that is.

05:13:39.380 Oh, that's the plan.

05:13:39.940 That is the plan.

05:13:40.960 I'm, like, he's our, he'll be a Pika dad, he'll be everything because our dog.

05:13:44.160 Okay, hey, sure.

05:13:45.200 All kinds of different arrangements people have.

05:13:47.840 What about you?

05:13:49.080 Minimum yearly income, I guess, for your future wife, then, I suppose.

05:13:52.360 Okay.

05:13:53.200 Unless you want a husband.

05:13:55.420 No.

05:13:55.820 Okay.

05:13:56.080 I said none because it was referring to men.

05:13:59.200 Doesn't matter.

05:14:00.580 Doesn't, okay.

05:14:01.120 Her income doesn't matter.

05:14:02.360 Okay.

05:14:02.840 If it was a man, would it matter?

05:14:04.500 But, yeah, you did say, you did say earlier, like, well, I have higher standards for men.

05:14:08.520 He would be able, he would have to be able to not afford, how do I word this, to afford

05:14:16.160 my lifestyle, not because I want him to take care of me, but, for example, if I like to

05:14:22.180 travel, I want him to also be able to afford to travel.

05:14:25.400 If it's a number, income, income number, just give me a number.

05:14:29.700 I don't have a number.

05:14:31.120 Wait, I have a question.

05:14:32.000 Because you said earlier, like, the guy has to, like, for you to date a guy, he has to

05:14:37.160 meet much higher standards than when it comes to you dating a woman.

05:14:40.380 So, like, would you say, in terms of the income thing, you'd be straight for pay?

05:14:45.260 Instead of gay for pay, you'd be straight for pay?

05:14:47.540 No.

05:14:48.060 Like a mill?

05:14:48.820 Like, would you be straight for pay?

05:14:50.780 Like, would I be with a man just because of his?

05:14:52.280 Like, would you go straight for a billionaire?

05:14:54.980 No.

05:14:55.440 Like, that's some, like, your life is good if you're.

05:14:58.960 No.

05:14:59.240 So, you would discard a male billionaire who loves you as opposed to a woman with nothing

05:15:03.960 who's just beautiful, who loves you?

05:15:06.140 Yeah.

05:15:06.400 Oh, great.

05:15:07.360 It's for the love.

05:15:08.160 It's for the love, you know.

05:15:09.280 It's for the love.

05:15:10.580 What did you say for minimum yearly income?

05:15:13.060 What I said was, I think, like, an average median salary for, like, the area I choose

05:15:23.320 to be in.

05:15:24.060 You said more than median salary for areas.

05:15:26.740 More than, yeah.

05:15:27.260 And I feel like.

05:15:27.940 But more could mean, like, for you.

05:15:29.900 It's honestly pretty subjective to me.

05:15:32.580 A number does not matter.

05:15:33.860 I think what matters is, realistically, for me, I want to be able to comfortably assume

05:15:39.780 a lifestyle that includes not living in poverty or lower class.

05:15:44.400 I don't want food stamps.

05:15:47.040 I'm sorry.

05:15:47.720 I don't judge.

05:15:49.740 I accept people like that romantically.

05:15:53.160 But for me, personally, I want to live above the average median salary of the demographic

05:15:58.440 of where I choose to be.

05:15:59.480 Where do you live?

05:16:00.260 I live here.

05:16:00.820 Oh, you're in Santa Barbara.

05:16:01.320 I'm in Santa Barbara.

05:16:02.780 But I was living.

05:16:03.900 So, median.

05:16:04.580 Here, let's look it up.

05:16:05.080 Yeah, let's look it up.

05:16:06.000 All right, median, hold on, median salary, Santa Barbara.

05:16:10.360 Oops.

05:16:11.220 One sec.

05:16:12.660 The median salary, the average annual salary.

05:16:14.960 This is for marriage, by the way, not for, I can get.

05:16:18.680 It's $75,000, the average annual salary in Santa Barbara.

05:16:22.400 Oh, that's, is there a difference between, I'm like, R slurred.

05:16:26.860 Is there a difference between median and average?

05:16:29.560 No.

05:16:30.140 Right?

05:16:30.820 It's both median.

05:16:32.000 Am I, sorry, guys, I'm moving on.

05:16:33.000 There's a difference.

05:16:33.540 I dropped out of kindergarten.

05:16:34.260 I want to say, well, you used to find the median in school, you'd take all the numbers

05:16:36.940 and find the average.

05:16:37.620 Okay, the average.

05:16:37.920 And then the average.

05:16:38.600 Yeah, it's average.

05:16:39.840 Whatever, average.

05:16:40.800 Like the average.

05:16:41.640 $75,000.

05:16:42.340 Yeah, that, I feel like.

05:16:43.860 So, like $80,000 is what, like.

05:16:45.500 For, for marriage, for me to settle down and feel really confident and I'm, I met my person,

05:16:50.140 that's, yeah.

05:16:50.800 Sure, okay.

05:16:51.560 What about you?

05:16:52.340 I know I left it blank, but that doesn't mean none.

05:16:55.220 Just more than I make, honestly, so I can be provided for.

05:16:58.280 How much do you make if.

05:17:00.820 Do you make six figures?

05:17:02.340 Yes.

05:17:03.540 So, like, would $150,000 be sufficient for you?

05:17:09.360 I would want more, probably, honestly.

05:17:10.900 I would want him to double it, honestly, because I want to be able to not work someday.

05:17:15.400 Wait, you'd want to what?

05:17:16.700 Not work someday.

05:17:17.880 Oh, okay.

05:17:18.560 Because I want to have a family.

05:17:19.960 So, what do you think?

05:17:21.640 $250,000?

05:17:22.180 Is that?

05:17:22.480 Yeah, I guess for nowadays, that seems.

05:17:24.580 That's still a little low, though, right?

05:17:26.940 I guess.

05:17:27.640 Is that upper middle class here?

05:17:28.760 I don't know.

05:17:29.200 No, I mean.

05:17:30.020 What about you?

05:17:31.880 I said $400,000.

05:17:33.360 I know I'm going to get shit for this.

05:17:34.860 Hold on.

05:17:36.140 I'm into it.

05:17:36.980 You did.

05:17:37.060 Good for you.

05:17:38.560 That's right.

05:17:39.640 She did not work.

05:17:40.240 No, no, and this is why.

05:17:41.340 This is why.

05:17:42.000 $400,000.

05:17:42.840 Because I was married, and I can go off of my previous experience, and then I make $200,000.

05:17:48.380 So, I would expect him to obviously make more than me.

05:17:52.080 I mean, I don't know.

05:17:53.320 That's kind of like.

05:17:54.760 Wait, your previous husband was making how much?

05:17:57.980 $400,000.

05:17:58.920 He was making.

05:17:59.560 What was he doing?

05:18:00.300 He was the CEO of his own company.

05:18:03.160 I don't want to.

05:18:04.340 Okay.

05:18:04.780 Yeah.

05:18:05.860 But he passed.

05:18:06.980 Yeah.

05:18:07.540 Yeah.

05:18:07.980 But, yeah.

05:18:09.420 So, and I make $200,000.

05:18:11.140 Was it an age gap relationship?

05:18:13.380 Uh-uh.

05:18:14.560 Wait.

05:18:15.020 How old were you when you dated?

05:18:16.480 When I got married, I was like 22.

05:18:20.240 Like 22.

05:18:21.260 Yeah.

05:18:21.980 So, was he like 25 or something?

05:18:24.420 He was actually younger than me.

05:18:25.680 He was 20.

05:18:26.700 So, we were.

05:18:27.560 It's two years.

05:18:28.040 20 years old making $400,000 a year?

05:18:30.700 He did.

05:18:31.240 He had.

05:18:31.920 He did e-commerce.

05:18:33.000 He did a lot of different stuff.

05:18:33.740 Oh, okay.

05:18:34.260 All right.

05:18:34.900 Yeah.

05:18:36.160 So.

05:18:37.620 I just would like to keep that kind of.

05:18:39.920 Hey.

05:18:40.280 What I'm used to.

05:18:41.440 You know, kind of like.

05:18:42.240 Just the normal kind of what I'm used to.

05:18:43.860 Nothing.

05:18:44.520 Like.

05:18:45.100 Nothing that I'm changing.

05:18:45.860 Wait, you guys are married.

05:18:46.920 Okay.

05:18:47.180 Yeah.

05:18:48.260 I don't want to change anything that I'm already kind of have the swing of things that I have going on.

05:18:52.360 Wait, did you like take over his business when he.

05:18:54.360 Yeah, I did.

05:18:55.100 Yeah.

05:18:55.940 Huh.

05:18:56.100 But I helped him build it too.

05:18:57.560 So, it was like.

05:18:58.580 Yeah.

05:18:58.760 Sure.

05:18:59.320 So, you want a guy who earns $400,000 bare minimum.

05:19:03.860 Just off of.

05:19:05.000 Like I said, previous of what I'm kind of used to.

05:19:07.780 But I mean, have you since your husband.

05:19:10.540 Like this guy you went on a date with.

05:19:12.820 Yeah.

05:19:13.300 It's kind of the same.

05:19:14.340 The dating pool is the same.

05:19:15.760 So.

05:19:16.100 Okay.

05:19:16.320 I'm not doing anything that's.

05:19:17.920 Sure.

05:19:18.500 All right.

05:19:18.820 That's abnormal.

05:19:19.560 What about you?

05:19:20.960 As long as we're stable and not like on edge of with bills and stuff, I'm completely fine.

05:19:27.240 And as long as I'm compatible with the person.

05:19:29.460 Okay.

05:19:29.600 And then, well, that's it for that one.

05:19:34.280 What about you?

05:19:35.020 How much would you want your girlfriend to make?

05:19:39.200 Man, I don't care about.

05:19:40.100 I don't care about none of that shit.

05:19:41.560 You know what I'm saying?

05:19:42.000 As long as she can take care of herself without me.

05:19:44.840 Like if she already got her own place, she already got her own car, she already got a career.

05:19:48.480 Obviously, she knows what she's doing for herself.

05:19:50.460 I feel like two heads are better than one.

05:19:51.920 I feel like we put so much value on what somebody earned.

05:19:54.360 And then we complain when we get in these weird situations.

05:19:56.680 It's like anybody can lose their job any day.

05:19:59.760 I want you to care about me.

05:20:01.620 And there's no price on that.

05:20:02.940 So as long as she's.

05:20:03.880 Because I feel like if we're both in it, we both can contribute.

05:20:07.340 Because if you go half and I go half, not saying it has to be 50-50, but I feel like that gives the woman equity in the situation.

05:20:15.220 Because a lot of women just want to be taken care of.

05:20:17.020 But when he breaks up with you, when he take all that money, you can't say shit because you don't have no equity in nothing.

05:20:21.440 You don't pay for shit.

05:20:22.600 So I'd rather a woman who I just take her as she, as long as she treats me well.

05:20:27.720 Because these days, we probably can get rich together.

05:20:30.140 Two heads are better than one.

05:20:31.380 A woman can get through a door that I can't get through.

05:20:33.820 I can get through a door that she can't get through.

05:20:35.520 So why can't we combine ourselves together?

05:20:37.580 Me, personally, when I'm evaluating a mate, I don't think about money.

05:20:41.560 I don't think about how she makes me feel.

05:20:43.260 Because love will inspire you to make money.

05:20:46.020 Real connection will inspire you to do more for each other.

05:20:48.400 So I don't care about that.

05:20:50.060 I agree a thousand percent.

05:20:51.380 So I guess moving off of that one, going into my notes here, Hannah, right?

05:20:57.220 Yeah.

05:20:58.320 Hannah, perhaps this ties back into the previous convo.

05:21:01.240 I promise we won't linger on it, though.

05:21:02.940 Okay.

05:21:03.160 Um, you said that, and so in this, I asked you to circle what you disagree with.

05:21:09.280 So the question, or the statement was, men are physically stronger than women.

05:21:13.860 You disagreed on that.

05:21:15.620 Is that correct?

05:21:18.980 What was the, wait.

05:21:20.460 So it says, men are physically stronger than women.

05:21:23.600 And you circled it, which means you disagree.

05:21:26.400 I think I got confused with that one.

05:21:28.240 Okay.

05:21:29.800 Yeah.

05:21:30.300 I, I do agree that a lot of times that they're stronger, but I do think that there's also

05:21:35.120 women.

05:21:35.980 I thought I put like a little, maybe I put like a dash.

05:21:38.760 Well, there was the one above it.

05:21:41.120 You did say, I don't know, but you, maybe it was the one above it, which is 20.

05:21:46.280 Um, in any case, if, if that was incorrect and then I'm happy to move on.

05:21:52.040 But I, I feel like there are plenty of women that are stronger than some men, but there's

05:21:56.920 plenty of men that are stronger than some women.

05:21:59.200 It's subjective.

05:22:00.060 I think it has more to do with height, weight, and like muscle capacity.

05:22:05.120 I mean, would you, would you grant that most men are stronger than most women?

05:22:08.440 Um, I would say like the average man is stronger than the average woman, which is why I'm scared

05:22:13.440 to be in a forest with them alone.

05:22:15.820 Okay.

05:22:16.300 But there's also, you know, plenty of beautiful, gorgeous, tall women that could easily take

05:22:23.740 down, you know, a man shorter than me.

05:22:25.600 So it's like, it, it, it depends on the situation.

05:22:27.960 It depends on body mass.

05:22:29.400 Yeah.

05:22:29.600 Bear's stronger than you too.

05:22:30.660 You know what I'm saying?

05:22:31.320 Yeah.

05:22:31.560 But once again, I'd rather just die.

05:22:34.420 I'd rather just die.

05:22:36.440 Never existed.

05:22:36.800 Uh, okay.

05:22:38.780 Um, all right.

05:22:40.640 Uh, I mean, you, I don't know what the actual percentage breakdown is, but I think they've

05:22:46.040 like, they've analyzed grip strength and I think it's like, I don't know if we have the

05:22:50.100 stats on it.

05:22:52.080 Something like 95% of men are strong, stronger than all women or something like that.

05:22:58.240 I don't know.

05:22:58.780 I don't know.

05:22:59.260 I mean, grip strength, I give really terrible massages.

05:23:01.980 So like, I don't know, maybe that's something.

05:23:04.240 I don't know.

05:23:04.620 Grip strength is, uh, is reflective of your general strength.

05:23:08.420 Uh, what I, what I, what I know is like, I don't think that there's any like hard, I

05:23:14.380 think, I think it's like very gray.

05:23:17.000 Things can be very gray.

05:23:18.060 I don't think it's like always black and white.

05:23:19.680 There's.

05:23:20.000 Well, yeah, there are, certainly there's women who are, there are some women who are stronger

05:23:23.260 than men.

05:23:23.660 Yeah.

05:23:24.160 That's all I was saying.

05:23:25.160 Yeah.

05:23:25.400 I'm not saying, yeah, I'm just saying it's not a hundred percent.

05:23:27.640 I want to say there's, there is not a single man that I would like be like, yeah, I'd fight.

05:23:31.860 That's a man.

05:23:32.380 Like I'm not fighting a man.

05:23:33.680 You know, like I can pick up nearly every single one of my co-stars, including my co-stars

05:23:38.840 that are taller than me.

05:23:39.800 But if we were to be in a fight, I don't know.

05:23:42.460 I'd be a little scared when a man is actually fighting against a woman.

05:23:46.200 I think the man is almost going to win almost every time I've been in physical fights with

05:23:51.220 men and yeah, it's like about 50, 50, sometimes 50, 50, 50, were they going ham on you?

05:23:57.620 Did they throw punches?

05:23:58.400 Oh yeah.

05:23:58.900 Yeah.

05:23:59.300 I, I, I, I, here's the thing I grew up, I grew up with older brothers and like the amount

05:24:05.920 of, the amount of fighting that we would do and you know, I, I, lots of sparring, lots

05:24:10.960 of combat.

05:24:11.460 Like, yeah, I, I can occasionally take, I can sometimes take down a lot.

05:24:14.980 See, but I feel like your brother isn't going to try to like knock you away.

05:24:17.800 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:24:18.340 No, no, no, no.

05:24:18.980 You don't know our family.

05:24:19.720 You don't know my family.

05:24:21.020 Um, I'm willing to bet, I would be willing to bet right now a million dollars and you can

05:24:28.220 distribute it all amongst yourselves.

05:24:30.100 It could be all seven of you versus Illa here right now.

05:24:34.440 And I think he'd win.

05:24:35.360 He'd win, he'd win.

05:24:36.220 No, at the same time.

05:24:37.760 At the same time.

05:24:38.860 No.

05:24:39.060 I would win, seven of you, like what?

05:24:41.220 I would win?

05:24:42.380 I want to say if one of us just took a body part, we could actually win.

05:24:45.160 Actually, seven, seven, actually, yeah, no, seven, seven of us on the heart.

05:24:49.040 Yeah, seven of us on the heart.

05:24:50.100 So someone grabbed the arm, I grabbed the leg, someone else had the other arm.

05:24:52.560 So seven of y'all can beat me, but seven of y'all can survive in the wheelchair.

05:24:54.900 No, no, seven of y'all can beat me.

05:24:56.340 I changed my answer.

05:24:57.900 I changed my answer.

05:24:58.460 Wait, chat, chat.

05:24:59.180 We could absolutely.

05:24:59.640 I want to ask the chat.

05:25:00.640 Chat, who do you pick?

05:25:01.540 So who wins?

05:25:02.560 Who do you place your bet on?

05:25:03.860 It's a seven V1, all the women.

05:25:06.440 You know what?

05:25:06.920 We'll throw in, we're throwing in Anissa too, eight V1.

05:25:10.700 And she's behind him too.

05:25:11.940 She can throw in the chokehold really quick.

05:25:13.720 And she's got a helmet.

05:25:14.740 Who's, chat, does the guy win?

05:25:17.160 Or is it the eight women?

05:25:19.120 Eight women or the one guy?

05:25:20.200 Who wins?

05:25:21.920 Y'all should win.

05:25:22.940 Yeah.

05:25:23.160 With eight?

05:25:23.560 I was going to say, I pull a limb, someone else pulls a limb.

05:25:27.880 Yeah, no.

05:25:28.940 Every one of us did some damage.

05:25:31.200 You should.

05:25:31.720 On each limb, I think we could figure it out.

05:25:34.500 Yeah.

05:25:35.180 Eight of us?

05:25:36.460 We could do that.

05:25:36.940 You should.

05:25:37.460 I don't even like talking like that.

05:25:38.500 I don't even want to talk like that.

05:25:39.020 Someone's got to like trick him or something.

05:25:42.020 I don't even like that.

05:25:42.660 Should we try just to prove a point though?

05:25:44.680 No.

05:25:45.040 No.

05:25:45.540 Are we just fighting right now?

05:25:46.580 Y'all should beat me.

05:25:48.080 With as much traction y'all gang, like you said, y'all can do so much.

05:25:52.100 Y'all should be able to destroy me, man.

05:25:53.560 What are some of these other questions that we answer?

05:25:55.820 All right.

05:25:56.280 So, why don't we pull up Twitch?

05:25:58.580 Let's go do a quick Twitch shout out.

05:26:00.180 We got to get through a whole bunch of stuff.

05:26:02.760 Go to Twitch, guys.

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05:26:07.980 Drop us a prime sub.

05:26:08.900 Guys, get us 200 followers.

05:26:10.320 Get us to 95,000 before the end of the show.

05:26:12.760 Yo, Benny, thank you for the prime.

05:26:13.780 Drop us a prime sub if you have one available, guys.

05:26:15.540 We'd really appreciate it.

05:26:17.000 Thank you, guys.

05:26:17.800 Thank you.

05:26:18.120 Thank you.

05:26:18.420 Really appreciate it.

05:26:19.160 And then, okay, let's get into the, let's try to blast through these notes as quickly

05:26:23.600 as I can here.

05:26:25.020 Okay.

05:26:25.800 Why don't we just do Hannah's first, okay?

05:26:27.520 Oh, God.

05:26:28.280 Oh, Hannah.

05:26:28.900 I feel targeted.

05:26:29.860 Okay.

05:26:30.100 Let me get my glasses here.

05:26:33.000 Okay.

05:26:34.000 And a lot of you also disagreed on this one.

05:26:36.120 So, dating is easier for women, to which you disagreed.

05:26:40.560 Andrea disagreed.

05:26:43.480 Tiara?

05:26:44.140 Did I say that?

05:26:44.460 Tiara.

05:26:45.000 Tiara.

05:26:45.500 Did I say that right?

05:26:46.500 I thought it was easier.

05:26:48.820 I think I might have answered.

05:26:49.740 Dating is easier for women.

05:26:50.960 For women.

05:26:51.080 You disagreed.

05:26:51.920 Oh, you agreed.

05:26:52.800 I think it's easier for women.

05:26:53.840 Okay.

05:26:54.060 You didn't follow the instructions, but it's okay.

05:26:55.540 Yeah, my bad.

05:26:56.500 Sorry.

05:26:56.900 But, so, those of you who circled dating is easier for women, you think it's easier for

05:27:03.440 men?

05:27:04.380 You disagree that it's easier for women?

05:27:06.280 I mean, when I say that it's easier for men to date, I guess, is because it's not that

05:27:15.640 it's easier for them to get a date.

05:27:17.940 A woman can get a date.

05:27:19.600 Like, I've never had a shortage of men in my DMs.

05:27:23.540 I could get a date.

05:27:24.360 If I was single tomorrow, I could have 15 dates lined up for myself.

05:27:28.200 That's not what I'm talking about.

05:27:29.760 What I'm talking about is in a relationship, finding someone who, like, isn't trying to

05:27:37.240 pull a power trip on you or isn't trying to change you.

05:27:40.460 And, like, this isn't just from my perspective.

05:27:42.420 All of my girlfriends struggle with this.

05:27:44.480 It's like, you just want someone who wants you for you, and instead, they want someone

05:27:48.800 else, but they just like the way you look, and so they're trying to change you.

05:27:52.120 Like, it's in that aspect harder because I think most of the time, at least with my friend

05:27:58.440 group and me, we ask for pretty much the bare minimum.

05:28:01.980 Just love us, be moderately funny, be able to take care of yourself.

05:28:10.620 Like, I don't want to babysit you.

05:28:12.360 Like, at least just take care of yourself and have passion for something and just accept

05:28:19.680 me for who I am.

05:28:20.580 That's it.

05:28:20.980 That's, like, five things.

05:28:21.840 I feel like those are, like, basic things.

05:28:24.480 But wouldn't it be easier for women to get a date if you just said you could get any date

05:28:28.240 because men are lined up in reviews?

05:28:29.720 No, like, no, no, no, no.

05:28:30.460 Like, we can get dates, but for those dates to turn into boyfriends, like, turn into dating,

05:28:35.800 like, multiple dates with one person.

05:28:38.060 I feel like it's not that deep, though.

05:28:39.360 I think he's just asking, is it easier for us to get dates?

05:28:41.420 Well, when I, yeah.

05:28:42.700 And, like, you kind of said in the beginning that, like, yeah.

05:28:45.760 Yeah, like, to get, yeah, to get a date, absolutely.

05:28:49.040 Yeah.

05:28:49.220 It's easier for women.

05:28:50.320 But he said dating, so I was kind of thinking of dating, not getting a date.

05:28:54.880 Like, I think of dating as just, like, oh, you're going on dates, like, multiple dates.

05:28:59.780 Yeah, multiple dates.

05:29:01.420 Like, finding someone.

05:29:02.080 You're not in a relationship.

05:29:02.780 You're just dating.

05:29:03.240 Yeah, I think, when I think of dating, I think of, like, getting past the first date stage

05:29:08.320 and going on to a second date, third date.

05:29:10.820 Like, you're dating a person.

05:29:12.980 I don't know.

05:29:13.660 Finding someone who you want to go on a second date with is really, I guess, what I was saying

05:29:18.840 is hard.

05:29:18.980 So it's, like, multiple first dates, not going on dates?

05:29:22.080 Well, you're going on dates with other people.

05:29:23.520 Like, you know what I'm saying?

05:29:24.900 So you're going on dates with different people every single time.

05:29:30.040 But, like, what I meant is finding someone who you want to date, I suppose.

05:29:35.020 So I feel like you're trying to say it's harder for women to be in a relationship with men,

05:29:39.620 but it's not harder for women to date.

05:29:41.900 I think that's what you're trying to say.

05:29:42.900 I meant finding someone to date, I suppose, because that's what dating is, is you're finding

05:29:47.200 someone who you want to date.

05:29:48.440 And it's harder to find someone who you want to date because...

05:29:52.320 Wait, but doesn't this contradict...

05:29:54.320 If you still go on a date with someone, you're going on a date, whether you liked them or

05:29:57.640 not, you went on a date.

05:29:58.500 You know what I'm saying?

05:29:59.140 Hold on.

05:29:59.440 But just to answer that, doesn't that kind of, like, contradict your previous point?

05:30:02.820 So on one hand, you're saying women don't really ask for a lot.

05:30:06.660 We just be slightly funny.

05:30:08.020 All the five other things you listed, but also it's really hard to...

05:30:14.800 Like, I'm just confused.

05:30:15.700 Because, like, within my experience and, like, my friend's experiences, at least, I can't

05:30:21.060 speak for any of the other girlies at the table, you go on the first date with someone

05:30:24.660 and you're like, oh my gosh, he's funny.

05:30:26.460 Check, check.

05:30:27.400 You know, he's nice to me.

05:30:29.400 Check.

05:30:29.800 But then he says something, like, really effed up about, you know, other women or, like,

05:30:36.560 putting other people down and you're like, okay, I got to dock him for this and I don't

05:30:39.620 want to go on a second date with him.

05:30:40.760 But you still were on a date with him.

05:30:42.980 Yes.

05:30:43.160 Wait, I'm going to give myself a pass here.

05:30:45.100 If he says retard on the first date, is that a deal breaker?

05:30:48.060 For me, yeah.

05:30:48.940 I think that's hilarious.

05:30:49.920 Oh, boy.

05:30:50.480 Okay, no.

05:30:51.320 That would be a green flag for me.

05:30:53.380 Okay, here's the only reason why is because I have family members who are part of that.

05:30:58.060 Who are part retarded?

05:31:00.160 Yes.

05:31:01.420 That's not the appropriate word.

05:31:02.700 It's not.

05:31:03.780 Intellectually disabled.

05:31:04.660 You were about to call your family members retarded.

05:31:07.740 No, I was not.

05:31:09.060 Sorry, my bad.

05:31:10.440 But for me, personally, that is a deal breaker.

05:31:14.660 And it is something that if someone says it, you know, I will, if someone says that and

05:31:19.700 I'm dating them or if I'm, you know, involved with them, I'll be like, hey, you can't say

05:31:23.060 that.

05:31:23.560 It won't necessarily mean that I won't go on a second date with them depending on how their

05:31:27.520 reaction after that is.

05:31:29.160 You'd call them out.

05:31:30.380 But I will call them out.

05:31:31.440 Wait, wait, can we role play super quick?

05:31:33.400 I know you probably hate me, but let's role play.

05:31:36.040 I know you're in a relationship.

05:31:37.060 Just pretend you're single.

05:31:37.840 Okay.

05:31:38.000 Okay.

05:31:38.280 All right.

05:31:39.560 So I'm trying to think like you're a type of guy.

05:31:42.920 I cannot wait to hear.

05:31:43.740 Give me the mega pass right now.

05:31:45.380 I'm like so excited to hear what's about to come out.

05:31:48.080 All right.

05:31:48.300 So you and me, we're on a date.

05:31:50.380 We're at Nobu.

05:31:53.000 Nobu because I roll like that or whatever the fuck.

05:31:56.480 Okay.

05:31:57.000 We're at Nobu and I'm like, you know, eating the steak.

05:32:00.380 Are you vegan or anything?

05:32:01.800 I mean, I don't eat steak, but no, I'm not.

05:32:03.640 I was vegan for seven years.

05:32:06.080 I don't know why this matters.

05:32:07.060 Okay.

05:32:07.380 It doesn't matter.

05:32:07.960 I'm eating the steak and then like I accidentally spill this cup.

05:32:13.620 I spill it.

05:32:14.420 It doesn't spill on you, but it spills.

05:32:16.360 It kind of gets on the table.

05:32:18.200 It was wine too.

05:32:19.200 I spill it and I'm like, oh, I'm so retarded.

05:32:23.480 I would, I would, in that situation, I would say it's okay.

05:32:30.000 It's just, it's just wine.

05:32:31.840 It doesn't really, really matter.

05:32:33.640 And I was like, and then I would address it after and say, but as far as that word goes,

05:32:37.760 that's not okay.

05:32:38.720 That's not something that I personally want to hear.

05:32:41.420 Oh, I, um, I'm sorry you feel that way.

05:32:47.720 Yeah.

05:32:48.540 I'm sorry you feel that way.

05:32:49.760 Um, does it change anything if I'm actually retarded?

05:33:01.380 No, no, no.

05:33:02.100 We're still role playing.

05:33:02.920 We're still role playing.

05:33:05.700 We are still role playing.

05:33:09.000 He said, well, I'm actually well.

05:33:11.060 I thought he was changing the character.

05:33:12.060 I was diagnosed at a young age with retardation.

05:33:18.100 And so I, I identify as a retard.

05:33:23.760 Are, are you making a joke right now or are you actually, actually intellectually disabled?

05:33:30.320 I could be.

05:33:31.700 Not, could you be, but in the situation we were talking about.

05:33:34.900 Wait, are we still role playing?

05:33:35.820 I think we're still role playing.

05:33:37.060 Yeah.

05:33:37.160 We're still role playing.

05:33:38.200 Yeah.

05:33:38.340 Oh, we're still role playing.

05:33:38.900 Yeah.

05:33:39.100 We're at dinner right now.

05:33:40.680 Yeah.

05:33:40.920 Um, are you, are you actually, or is that a joke?

05:33:45.640 Wait, like in the role play?

05:33:46.920 Cause it could be like, in the role play, I'm talking to you as if we're, but I'm not

05:33:52.520 like, okay, removing, I'm not actually retarded, but okay.

05:33:56.720 Going into the role play.

05:33:57.780 Yeah.

05:33:57.980 Like, yes, I went to see a psychiatrist.

05:34:00.560 Yes.

05:34:00.740 I'm retarded.

05:34:01.920 Okay.

05:34:02.680 In the role play.

05:34:03.760 In the role play.

05:34:04.320 I'm retarded.

05:34:05.160 In the role play.

05:34:05.880 You are?

05:34:06.460 In the role play.

05:34:07.440 Then, then, and you feel like you identify like that and that.

05:34:10.980 I do.

05:34:11.580 I want you to affirm my identity.

05:34:13.140 Now I want you to call me a retard.

05:34:14.900 I will not.

05:34:15.940 I will not.

05:34:16.780 Why won't you affirm my identity as somebody who's retarded?

05:34:19.960 That is not.

05:34:21.220 This is really, I'm actually offended.

05:34:23.120 How dare you?

05:34:24.860 How, how dare you not affirm my identity as somebody who is.

05:34:32.620 I prefer.

05:34:34.260 A retard.

05:34:35.300 I prefer not to use that word.

05:34:37.520 You can feel that.

05:34:39.500 This is the appropriate word that I feel comfortable with using.

05:34:42.220 Okay.

05:34:42.580 In fact, I'm more offended if you call me like mentally challenged.

05:34:45.440 I'm more offended by that.

05:34:46.520 Okay.

05:34:46.780 I'm not challenged.

05:34:47.660 I'm just retarded.

05:34:49.120 Okay.

05:34:49.260 And also, it's because I'm French.

05:34:50.800 I prefer, I, I identify more with a, it's a retard, it is a French word.

05:34:58.600 Yeah, no, that's, you know, that is totally okay if you identify.

05:35:03.160 Call me a retard or the state's over.

05:35:05.240 Can, can I, can I finish my thought?

05:35:08.180 I will walk, I will walk out of here right now leaving you with this bill.

05:35:12.160 Then you can do that.

05:35:13.240 If you don't want to continue the state, you can.

05:35:14.760 You'll pay for the no-bill bill?

05:35:15.700 That's expensive.

05:35:16.800 It's expensive.

05:35:17.140 That's okay.

05:35:17.860 This is an expensive bill.

05:35:18.860 That's all right.

05:35:20.520 I'm sorry that this date didn't go well for you.

05:35:22.660 I really hope you have better future endeavors.

05:35:26.800 It was lovely meeting you.

05:35:29.600 Really?

05:35:31.680 You're going to, you're going to discriminate against me based on my disability?

05:35:36.040 I'm not going to.

05:35:36.360 I'm not discriminating.

05:35:36.480 That's very ableist of you.

05:35:37.600 I'm not discriminating.

05:35:38.520 I thought you were woke and progressive.

05:35:40.280 I'm not discriminating.

05:35:40.960 You wouldn't date somebody who's retarded.

05:35:42.380 No, you can.

05:35:43.160 You wouldn't.

05:35:43.580 Wait.

05:35:43.920 Wait, what?

05:35:44.740 You wouldn't date a retard?

05:35:45.780 Oh, that's not what, no.

05:35:47.040 That is really offensive.

05:35:48.260 Damn, I've got to wait.

05:35:50.200 Freudian slip.

05:35:52.300 Look, okay.

05:35:53.800 I almost dropped someone else's name.

05:35:55.680 That's really bad.

05:35:56.360 You once dated a R word person?

05:36:00.580 No, no.

05:36:02.340 I mean, actually, no.

05:36:04.740 No, no, no, no.

05:36:08.140 Let me explain.

05:36:09.380 Let me explain.

05:36:10.540 Let me explain.

05:36:12.000 I dated a guy and we, this was in high school.

05:36:16.640 I dated a guy who was very sweet until he got another girl pregnant.

05:36:21.620 But he got into a fight with me, actually.

05:36:26.100 It was, like, multiple of us.

05:36:27.420 It was on the news because it got to be such a big thing.

05:36:31.200 I got arrested.

05:36:31.880 He got arrested.

05:36:32.520 Everyone got arrested.

05:36:34.320 Essentially, we got jumped by the high school jocks and we were, like, emo kids.

05:36:39.700 And he got so badly pummeled that it caused severe brain damage that would, like, he never recovered from it.

05:36:48.340 He actually became, like, drug, like, really drug dependent because of it.

05:36:55.760 And so, yeah, I guess in that situation, like, he was not functioning on the level of, like, you know, normal anymore.

05:37:02.860 Because of the brain damage.

05:37:03.920 Because of the brain damage.

05:37:04.820 It was severe.

05:37:05.620 Yeah.

05:37:05.760 So, like, yeah, technically speaking, I don't know.

05:37:12.140 Yeah.

05:37:13.700 Anyway.

05:37:14.480 Would anybody else here object to the scenario?

05:37:18.080 If you pretend put yourself in her position, I spilled the cup.

05:37:21.900 So, it's not like I have a hatred towards, like, people who are R-worded.

05:37:27.620 It's just I self-deprecated and I'm like, oh, fuck, I spilled the thing.

05:37:31.980 I'm an idiot.

05:37:32.860 I'm a retard.

05:37:33.260 I would be like, yeah, you fucking retard.

05:37:36.900 You fucking retard.

05:37:38.720 Sometimes we have women on the show spill a cup of water and I call them retards.

05:37:43.940 And they should say thank you for keeping me accountable.

05:37:47.180 They're like, Brian, that was so attractive.

05:37:48.580 Let's go on a date.

05:37:49.360 Absolutely.

05:37:50.160 It happens all the time.

05:37:50.700 No, I will call my date out.

05:37:52.520 I call my friends out.

05:37:53.480 I call my mom out on stuff.

05:37:55.220 I will call people out.

05:37:56.320 You call your mom out?

05:37:57.320 Yeah, all the time.

05:37:58.140 She hates it.

05:37:59.460 Just let her be, bro.

05:38:00.160 She's a different generation.

05:38:02.040 How old's your mom?

05:38:03.380 60-something.

05:38:03.860 I can't give that information out.

05:38:07.580 Chicks and milk.

05:38:09.420 Is she single?

05:38:10.160 She always says she's 29.

05:38:11.820 Is she single?

05:38:12.880 Huh?

05:38:13.260 Is she available?

05:38:14.840 Uh, no.

05:38:16.300 She's still with your...

05:38:18.400 Is she married or...

05:38:20.340 No.

05:38:22.100 She has a boyfriend.

05:38:23.300 How long they've been dating?

05:38:24.500 I mean, it doesn't sound that serious, to be honest.

05:38:26.680 I don't know if it's that serious.

05:38:27.920 You'll have to ask her.

05:38:28.460 Like, it doesn't sound like it's really like, I don't know, just saying.

05:38:31.860 Like, put the...

05:38:32.600 I mean, if you're interested, I'll give her your number.

05:38:33.860 Can you just, like, slide in a good word for me?

05:38:36.020 Yeah, sure.

05:38:36.620 Why not?

05:38:37.980 Yeah, but if you use that...

05:38:39.380 If you use that word, you can't be my stepdad, so...

05:38:42.020 Oh.

05:38:42.600 Oh.

05:38:43.120 Challenge accepted.

05:38:44.320 Ah, good times.

05:38:46.880 Okay.

05:38:47.420 Uh, what?

05:38:49.960 Any other panelists have an available mother that they can set me up with?

05:38:55.200 Just checking.

05:38:56.100 Not...

05:38:56.480 Not...

05:38:56.880 Of course.

05:38:57.320 I wouldn't do that to you.

05:38:58.820 We're homies.

05:39:05.280 I mean, I have friends that are more your age.

05:39:07.540 I want to say, technically, my mom's single.

05:39:09.080 It's a MILF.

05:39:10.120 Okay.

05:39:10.700 Good talk.

05:39:11.320 Okay.

05:39:11.480 I don't know where that came up.

05:39:14.000 How did we start talking about...

05:39:15.420 Oh, dating is easier for women.

05:39:16.740 How do we...

05:39:17.280 Why did you bring up this really offensive conversation?

05:39:22.580 Yeah, this was your idea.

05:39:23.960 I don't think...

05:39:25.060 I don't know how to die here.

05:39:26.680 Oh, no.

05:39:27.100 Like, roll it back, right?

05:39:28.200 She brought that to the...

05:39:29.060 Yeah.

05:39:29.620 I did not bring it up.

05:39:30.380 You were like, I really want to talk about our words right now.

05:39:34.400 Like, this is your go-to topic.

05:39:36.600 Definitely not.

05:39:37.080 Gaslit.

05:39:37.800 Okay.

05:39:39.000 Don't write it.

05:39:41.040 Okay.

05:39:41.580 Anyways, your next thing.

05:39:43.000 Okay, a few of you.

05:39:43.780 I'll move it on, just so we can't linger on anything for too long.

05:39:48.120 A woman's career money status does not make her more attractive to men, to which I think

05:39:55.580 a couple of you circled disagree.

05:39:59.720 Who?

05:40:00.980 I don't remember what I chose.

05:40:02.760 Hannah, you disagreed.

05:40:04.680 Andrea, you disagreed.

05:40:08.060 Let's see.

05:40:09.280 I disagreed.

05:40:09.780 Tiara, you disagreed.

05:40:10.780 I disagreed.

05:40:13.040 When I thought that we were talking specifically about, like, LA and, like, that kind of dating

05:40:19.620 pool is what I was talking about when I filled that out, because that's what I thought we

05:40:23.020 were talking about today.

05:40:23.960 But that was my misinterpretation.

05:40:25.480 Because in LA, I think status, money, and, like, who you know very much factors in to, like,

05:40:32.660 who men date.

05:40:34.020 For women?

05:40:35.340 Also for men.

05:40:36.340 Oh, for men.

05:40:37.080 Also for men.

05:40:37.680 Okay.

05:40:37.820 Yeah.

05:40:38.080 I think for both people.

05:40:39.620 So, but I don't really, I don't know if it matters for, like, regular dating.

05:40:45.080 So, you're saying in LA?

05:40:47.460 In LA it does, because most everyone's industry, and so it's kind of, like, I feel like everyone's

05:40:51.340 trying to, like, you know, network, and everyone's, like, you know, I don't think people are.

05:40:55.540 Well, I mean, I might be willing to grant that, like, some, like, actor who is getting mostly

05:41:04.560 extra jobs, like, working as an extra, and he mostly works as a server, and he, like,

05:41:12.780 shares a bedroom with three other guys in Reseda.

05:41:17.140 Yeah, like, if he, if fucking, I don't know, some, I'm trying to think, like, Angelina Jolie

05:41:24.800 steps to him, he might be like, oh, I, I was, when I filled that out, that's what I was

05:41:34.060 under the assumption of, so.

05:41:36.620 But in terms of, like, I don't know, okay, here, you have, I'm trying to think, okay, Lizzo,

05:41:42.880 money, status, success, boom, put Lizzo in a club, and then put, like, a nobody, 21-year-old

05:41:52.920 who lives with her parents, and she's not in debt, but she, she's a barista, $18 an

05:41:59.040 hour, all the men in that club, who they, who they gravitating towards, I shouldn't have

05:42:08.740 used Lizzo for this one.

05:42:09.740 No, that was a great visual.

05:42:11.280 No, but, because of gravity, I shouldn't have used, because of gravity, I shouldn't

05:42:15.940 have said this.

05:42:17.360 Well, if we're talking for early age.

05:42:18.860 When I say gravitate, I mean, not, I, I mean, um, colloquially, not literally, like,

05:42:26.940 the gravity because of the mass, uh, you know what I mean?

05:42:31.100 Yeah.

05:42:32.180 Was that offensive?

05:42:33.500 No.

05:42:33.880 If we were on a date, if we, if we, if we were on a date, would you have, like, a sidebar

05:42:38.720 conversation with me about this, like, Brian, that was really offensive.

05:42:42.740 Don't body shame.

05:42:43.820 No, no, honestly, with, with my experience with men, uh, specifically.

05:42:50.920 You're saying it's okay to body shame, Pat, people?

05:42:52.160 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

05:42:55.380 You piece of shit.

05:42:56.380 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

05:42:57.500 This is really offensive.

05:42:59.000 Okay, sorry, go ahead.

05:42:59.700 Jesus Christ.

05:43:01.420 Unbelievable.

05:43:03.380 Um, in my experience with dating men is that with women's bodies, a lot of times it's kind

05:43:10.100 of ingrained that they will make a comment on it.

05:43:12.300 And that's not something that necessarily I can change or fix.

05:43:16.300 I can always, if it's an offensive remark, like truly offensive, like targeted, I of course

05:43:21.220 will say something, but sometimes I have to pick my battles and what I actually want

05:43:25.480 to bring up, especially when you're first dating someone, because you don't want to

05:43:28.620 just like combat with everything that they're saying, but you do want to get to know them.

05:43:32.840 Wait, one, one other question.

05:43:34.760 Okay.

05:43:35.200 And then we're going right back to the Lizzo one though.

05:43:37.480 You're not going to escape the Lizzo question.

05:43:39.760 A guy comes to a date with a plastic water bottle.

05:43:43.660 Are you saying something?

05:43:45.180 No.

05:43:45.540 Like how dare you, uh, pollute the environment?

05:43:51.080 You want to see the rainforest burn?

05:43:53.420 No, I'm not going to comment on their water bottle.

05:43:57.640 That's not something.

05:43:58.780 Gatorade makes water now anyways.

05:44:00.540 Oh, whatever that is.

05:44:02.420 Okay.

05:44:02.680 I don't know.

05:44:03.160 I was on a date.

05:44:03.640 I'm not going to comment on it.

05:44:04.660 One time, like years ago.

05:44:06.220 No, this was like, uh, four or five years ago.

05:44:08.620 I was on a date with a girl and I brought a water bottle, not, not unlike this to the

05:44:12.780 date.

05:44:13.700 And she says something about the water bottle.

05:44:18.360 You do live in California.

05:44:19.640 She must've been like an environmentalist, but I brought a water bottle to the date.

05:44:24.680 Mind you, when I'm at home, I have like a RO system.

05:44:28.620 Like, so I drink from a glass, but it's convenient to just, ah, I'm running out the house.

05:44:32.800 Let me grab a bottle of water.

05:44:34.280 Yeah.

05:44:34.940 She literally tanks the date because I brought a ball of water, tanks it.

05:44:40.880 And she's like, whoa, you need to watch your plastic consumption, sir.

05:44:46.660 The date was open.

05:44:48.060 But that's what I mean.

05:44:48.840 That's literally what I mean.

05:44:49.800 What we're straight back to what we were talking about earlier.

05:44:51.820 Not everyone is going to be your cup of tea.

05:44:54.000 I think you should let the, you should really rethink like letting the R slur thing pass

05:44:57.940 to be on a TBH.

05:44:59.600 Well, I, I'm very happily involved with someone who doesn't need to use that word.

05:45:03.700 So it's okay.

05:45:04.180 Yo, wait, what's your boyfriend's name?

05:45:05.500 Like first name.

05:45:06.640 I don't want to disclose.

05:45:07.920 Okay.

05:45:08.160 I'll, I'm just going to guess it's a Bartholomew.

05:45:11.220 Oh my God.

05:45:12.020 Wait, hold on.

05:45:12.780 That is not, that's not his name, but that's my nickname for him.

05:45:16.400 It's an inside joke, but that's fucking crazy.

05:45:18.780 Wow.

05:45:19.720 I, it was the Venus.

05:45:22.800 It was the vibes.

05:45:24.100 Was aligned, Mercury, Jupiter.

05:45:26.660 I don't know.

05:45:28.320 Bartholomew.

05:45:29.080 Is he watching this shit?

05:45:30.500 Is he fucking watching this shit?

05:45:33.060 Bartholomew.

05:45:34.260 Wait, is he, did he drive with you down to Santa Barbara?

05:45:37.740 No, he did not.

05:45:38.860 He's at, he's at, he's at like 1 a.m.

05:45:41.280 Okay.

05:45:41.500 Okay.

05:45:42.360 Bartholomew.

05:45:42.920 The moment she steps through the door, call her a retard.

05:45:49.700 And I want to see if this is the true test of your guys' relationship.

05:45:54.040 Yo.

05:45:54.740 She steps through the door, Bartholomew.

05:45:56.740 Bartholomew.

05:45:58.420 You have to call her the R slur.

05:46:01.160 And if she's like, oh my God, ha ha, that's so funny.

05:46:05.020 And she, that's the, and then if she's the one, if she's like cool with it, you're going

05:46:11.420 to be cool with it?

05:46:12.480 He's going to do it.

05:46:13.380 He's not going to do it.

05:46:14.240 He's my homie.

05:46:14.720 He's already in bed.

05:46:16.040 I guarantee you.

05:46:17.080 He goes to bed like really early.

05:46:18.860 Okay.

05:46:19.080 Text him and be like, as soon as I step through.

05:46:20.980 Oh, my phone.

05:46:21.160 Once you get your phone, you're going to text him and you're going to say, Bart, Barty.

05:46:27.900 Barty.

05:46:29.380 Call me.

05:46:30.120 I made a bet with Brian.

05:46:31.580 You have to call me.

05:46:32.300 I don't know.

05:46:32.840 This is too contrived at this point.

05:46:34.600 Just fucking call her a R word when she walks through the door.

05:46:37.760 And you have to have sex with him afterwards.

05:46:40.040 And while during sex, he has to also call you.

05:46:42.560 Definitely not happening.

05:46:45.280 Wait, Damien, can you search up that Reddit thread about like calling somebody an R word?

05:46:51.160 Like dirty, dirt, Reddit, dirty talk, retard.

05:46:54.060 Okay.

05:46:55.140 Just Google it.

05:46:56.320 Just Google it.

05:46:56.840 You'll find it.

05:46:58.260 Okay.

05:46:58.880 Lizzo.

05:46:59.360 Sorry.

05:46:59.640 I'm sorry.

05:46:59.940 Oh, my God, bro.

05:47:00.940 The fucking caffeine is getting to me.

05:47:03.760 Lizzo or hot, nobody, 20-year-old barista.

05:47:12.040 Who do the guys pick?

05:47:14.500 Well, you said she's 20.

05:47:16.060 So, obviously, they're going to go for her regard.

05:47:19.920 Like, they like young girls.

05:47:22.040 Guys like young girls.

05:47:23.780 So, I took 20, 21 to make it so she can drink, I guess.

05:47:28.440 Yeah.

05:47:29.320 Yeah.

05:47:30.160 They'd pick the younger girl.

05:47:31.640 Like, nine times out of ten, I would say.

05:47:35.420 Can you pull that up, Damien?

05:47:36.740 Do you have it, Damien?

05:47:37.700 Did you find the thread?

05:47:39.100 Or do you?

05:47:39.280 Do you, I mean, is it, is it the dirty talk one?

05:47:50.640 Do you have, like.

05:47:52.160 No.

05:47:52.820 It's okay.

05:47:53.580 Hold on.

05:47:54.740 I'm looking.

05:47:59.060 Oh, my God.

05:47:59.640 Here, I'll send it to you.

05:48:00.580 I'll send it to you.

05:48:02.520 Or should I just read it?

05:48:03.600 I don't know if we need the Reddit thread.

05:48:05.140 Okay, here.

05:48:05.640 I'm going to read something to you guys.

05:48:08.900 Not me, but an old friend of mine.

05:48:10.700 Really quiet, soft-spoken, polite guy.

05:48:13.240 A total gentleman and a graduate student in the liberal arts.

05:48:17.320 That's okay.

05:48:18.220 Also pretty, also pretty inexperienced, tentative, and vanilla sexually.

05:48:23.860 He's dating this really cool girl for maybe two months.

05:48:26.500 She's much, much kinkier in bed.

05:48:28.360 She floats the idea of dirty talk and apparently likes to be objectified, even demeaned a bit, from time to time.

05:48:35.940 He's hesitant, but wants to please her and doesn't dismiss the idea outright.

05:48:41.240 Changes the subject and figures that they'll revisit the idea another time.

05:48:45.160 Anyway, they have sex a few days later for the first time since the conversation.

05:48:49.360 They're really going at it doggy style.

05:48:51.400 And she tells him to talk dirty to her.

05:48:54.000 He says that he can't think of anything to say, so he says nothing.

05:48:58.760 And she then repeats the request, but the second time, she is not fucking requesting, but demanding it.

05:49:05.460 He comes up with,

05:49:07.360 Yeah.

05:49:09.620 You like that, you fucking retard?

05:49:11.760 He came up with it?

05:49:15.580 All by himself?

05:49:16.880 He's never struck me as one for embellishment, so I believe him.

05:49:21.380 He said that it was for, that was it for the sex that night, although they are still together two years on.

05:49:29.220 That's love.

05:49:30.520 That is love.

05:49:31.760 That's love.

05:49:32.600 You know?

05:49:33.580 Power to him.

05:49:34.500 All right.

05:49:35.040 That's crazy.

05:49:35.920 All right.

05:49:36.480 All right.

05:49:38.020 Let's see here.

05:49:38.840 Oh, do you have any thoughts on this one?

05:49:40.700 The woman's career, money status?

05:49:43.120 No.

05:49:43.500 It doesn't make her more attractive?

05:49:44.860 It does to a man who thinks like a woman.

05:49:47.180 You know what I'm saying?

05:49:47.680 A lot of guys, they try to compete with women and think like them, and they think that shit matters, and it really doesn't.

05:49:52.940 Wait.

05:49:53.360 To, like, say, to go off something you said earlier, you said, like, a woman, like, if she can take care of her own, like, that's more attractive to you.

05:49:59.780 So doesn't status kind of matter?

05:50:01.100 No, I said, as long as she can take care of herself, but she doesn't have, you can take care of yourself working at Best Buy as a manager.

05:50:10.440 You don't have to be auditioning for Revolt or some shit.

05:50:15.620 You know what I'm saying?

05:50:16.140 Like, you could just be a regular girl with a regular job.

05:50:18.540 Like, so there's value in taking care of yourself, but high value status is a little more than that.

05:50:24.340 You know what I mean?

05:50:24.800 She doesn't have to have a blue check and be trending on it.

05:50:27.420 I don't care about none of that shit.

05:50:28.320 She's got to be able to take care of herself, because the real talk, the baddest women is the ones that just in the neighborhood, like, regular, like, it's not the ones that's on TV.

05:50:37.240 It's the most beautiful woman I've seen with never celebrities, so that's just me.

05:50:40.780 Did you also say, though, that they should split dates?

05:50:42.940 So what if the guy makes significantly more and she can't split dates?

05:50:47.000 No, no, now, this is the thing, right?

05:50:49.440 Good question.

05:50:53.440 Men, I'll say me in some men I know.

05:50:56.700 You don't got to pay for this.

05:50:57.700 We just want to see an effort.

05:50:59.640 Like, in other words, I'm paying for the date, and you'll cover the tip, or we'll go to, like, an after-hour spot.

05:51:04.760 You'll be like, I'll get the hookah.

05:51:05.860 Just show me that you care, because I feel like when we go on a date, I'm paying, especially in the beginning when I don't know, we don't owe each other anything.

05:51:13.040 I feel like I'm paying the price of admission to the You Show.

05:51:17.180 You're paying the price of admission to the Me Show.

05:51:20.180 It's not about neither one of us.

05:51:21.620 We're paying for each other's energy.

05:51:23.840 So who are you or who am I to say what's what in the early beginning?

05:51:27.540 But if I'm balling out of control, I'm going to take care of it because I got it, and it's not that big.

05:51:32.760 I'll pay for my homie.

05:51:33.660 I don't care.

05:51:34.360 Like, if I had, like, I'll pay for a stranger.

05:51:36.380 I don't care.

05:51:37.080 It's just money.

05:51:37.680 You know what I'm saying?

05:51:38.140 I like to see people happy, but I just want to see effort on her part.

05:51:42.100 You don't have to pay for the date, but show me that you care something or pick up something for me.

05:51:46.760 I thought of you.

05:51:47.720 I brought you, like, one girl brought a hookah to me one time.

05:51:50.980 So it's like, just show that you care.

05:51:53.400 Show some type of gesture.

05:51:54.540 You don't have to cover the whole thing, but don't just show up and be cute all the time.

05:51:58.520 Like, do something.

05:51:59.660 I'm also curious, too.

05:52:00.760 Like, what if the guy was struggling?

05:52:02.520 Should the woman pick up after his?

05:52:04.820 Well, if you're struggling, you shouldn't go to a place where money is required.

05:52:10.100 You know, there's parks.

05:52:11.500 There's museums.

05:52:12.660 You know, be creative.

05:52:13.360 You can cook.

05:52:14.440 You can have a picnic in a park.

05:52:15.860 You know, use your creativity, because if you don't have no money, you don't need to be inviting women out to date.

05:52:20.820 You can invite them to meet.

05:52:22.840 You can do a little icebreaker, but I'm not going to invite a woman to a date, and I don't have no money.

05:52:27.260 That's just stupid.

05:52:32.440 Anybody else, like, think guys would pick Lizzo?

05:52:34.820 I'm just curious.

05:52:36.560 Anybody?

05:52:37.360 Lizzo?

05:52:39.060 Some dudes would.

05:52:39.980 You can just say, come on.

05:52:41.040 I mean, my opinion, some guys would.

05:52:44.780 There are some guys that would pick Lizzo because of her status and money.

05:52:50.100 That's just a fact, because what else are you picking Lizzo for?

05:52:55.160 Like, let's be honest.

05:52:57.960 Wasn't she dating an NFL athlete as well?

05:53:00.840 Yeah.

05:53:02.000 Mm-hmm.

05:53:02.580 So someone of her own caliber may pick her, too.

05:53:04.840 Maybe, like, a front.

05:53:06.240 That was mad funny.

05:53:07.220 There's so many jokes that could be made from that, but I'm going to let that slide.

05:53:09.760 If you say the NFL player that's her caliber, I can go so many places with that.

05:53:14.860 Shout out to Lizzo.

05:53:16.160 Hey.

05:53:16.500 Would you hit?

05:53:19.100 Hit how?

05:53:20.740 What do you mean how?

05:53:22.040 Like, not punch her.

05:53:23.420 Would you smash Lizzo?

05:53:25.500 Yes.

05:53:26.020 No, but I would only because I could probably get a bag out of her.

05:53:29.640 Like, I'll bang the bag out of her, but, like, out of interest, no.

05:53:33.800 I don't like big girls.

05:53:34.980 You don't like big women?

05:53:36.300 No, I'm not into big girls.

05:53:37.260 Okay.

05:53:37.520 You got to at least be shapely.

05:53:39.080 Like, she's not shapely.

05:53:39.900 I've seen some big girls that, like, they got hips and stuff.

05:53:43.240 Like, she's...

05:53:44.480 Shout out to Lizzo.

05:53:45.420 So you would have sexual intercourse with Lizzo?

05:53:48.660 For a bag.

05:53:49.540 What's a bag?

05:53:50.520 For money.

05:53:51.100 Come on.

05:53:51.420 No, but is it, like, a thousand?

05:53:52.740 What is, I mean, like...

05:53:54.120 What is the bag?

05:53:55.560 Like, bag that only she got.

05:53:57.600 Like, I'm not going to hit her for no $300.

05:53:59.440 Like, you'll marry her.

05:53:59.880 She's going to take me shopping.

05:54:00.900 Like, she's going to break me off.

05:54:01.880 She's going to take you shopping.

05:54:02.680 Yeah, she's going to be sugar mama.

05:54:03.660 Where's she taking you to?

05:54:04.820 Wherever I want.

05:54:05.460 Oh, shit.

05:54:07.100 I'm not kidding.

05:54:07.720 There we go.

05:54:08.280 I'm good.

05:54:09.460 I don't know if I could do it, to be honest.

05:54:12.040 You're a successful guy.

05:54:13.380 You don't need it.

05:54:14.240 You would do it.

05:54:15.360 I would...

05:54:16.140 No.

05:54:16.920 For $2 million, you wouldn't hit Lizzo.

05:54:18.900 Okay, I'll do it for $2 million.

05:54:20.140 Exactly, exactly.

05:54:21.140 I'll do it for $2 million.

05:54:22.500 She's not even ugly.

05:54:22.720 She's just not in the best shape.

05:54:25.240 I don't know if I could, like...

05:54:26.620 I'm not, like...

05:54:27.640 I'm average down there, though.

05:54:29.320 Really?

05:54:29.720 Like, I'm kind of average down there,

05:54:31.140 so I don't know if I could, like, get to it, though.

05:54:33.240 I would let my man hit Lizzo for $2 million.

05:54:35.180 Like, I don't know if I could...

05:54:36.180 I don't know if I could get, like...

05:54:38.920 Not actually.

05:54:40.000 There's pills for that.

05:54:40.960 Don't worry.

05:54:41.660 No, it's not...

05:54:42.400 I just don't even know if I could...

05:54:45.240 Big girl sex is a little different than regular girl sex.

05:54:47.360 You could put it anywhere, and it would...

05:54:49.000 For me, like, if she's singing,

05:54:51.160 if she's singing while we're having sex,

05:54:52.780 because it's so...

05:54:53.580 Yeah, a thousand percent.

05:54:55.120 Shoulder, elbow, anything.

05:54:56.160 Shoulder, elbow, tummy.

05:54:57.020 Any wet crease you can find, like,

05:54:59.220 no, I'm straight.

05:54:59.880 It's like, you're on a love seat or some shit.

05:55:02.260 For two mil, that's fair.

05:55:04.920 A hundred thousand.

05:55:05.840 Shit, 50 bands.

05:55:06.940 That's crazy.

05:55:07.880 So, that's...

05:55:08.640 Is that masculine, or what kind of...

05:55:10.480 No, this is hypothetical.

05:55:12.720 Yeah, but what kind of energy is it?

05:55:13.260 It's not masculine.

05:55:13.980 It's not...

05:55:14.780 It's not...

05:55:15.380 It's not...

05:55:15.580 It's giving...

05:55:16.580 It's giving real feminine.

05:55:17.680 That's why...

05:55:18.260 And it's also hypothetical.

05:55:19.220 So, I'm a little confused.

05:55:20.400 I'm just sitting back and just a little confused.

05:55:21.020 I mean, it sounds good.

05:55:22.400 Let's give her a round of applause.

05:55:23.620 She got some points in the board.

05:55:24.880 Hasn't that?

05:55:25.620 Let's give her a round of points.

05:55:27.260 This is home.

05:55:28.800 She got some points in the board.

05:55:30.520 Shout out to you.

05:55:31.180 But, like, it's hypothetical.

05:55:32.500 In reality, I don't even want to...

05:55:34.260 I just say in reality what I would do.

05:55:35.820 I don't even care about a woman's money in reality.

05:55:37.100 Okay.

05:55:37.500 So, this is hypothetical, baby.

05:55:39.100 There you go.

05:55:40.300 Fair.

05:55:41.040 Fair enough.

05:55:41.720 Yeah, I don't really care about, like, the career money status, to be honest, though.

05:55:48.080 It doesn't...

05:55:50.160 Yeah, I'll date, like, a barista, you know?

05:55:52.120 It's like the T.I. video that came out years ago.

05:55:54.760 Shorty was on the fries, and he changed her life.

05:55:56.920 You can have whatever you like.

05:55:58.120 Like, we don't care about that shit.

05:55:59.420 But I don't think a woman would do that on the other foot.

05:56:02.580 I think the catch with women is if you're in tip-top shape, I think women will give you a...

05:56:07.460 I've seen women make adjustments for a guy.

05:56:10.980 I think that's the only X factor you can get being broke.

05:56:14.940 If you broke, but you built like a tank, she'll pay them bills for a little while.

05:56:19.880 Not forever.

05:56:20.420 But she'll definitely say, all right, let's see what's up.

05:56:22.100 What if he's, like, hung like a rhino?

05:56:24.200 That, too.

05:56:25.040 But I think if he in shape...

05:56:26.860 Because she got to find that out later.

05:56:28.200 Because you might be unattractive and have that.

05:56:30.120 So, I don't know if that really matters.

05:56:31.560 But I think if you're in shape, women will give you a shot regardless of your income.

05:56:35.100 Is that right, ladies?

05:56:38.980 Mm-hmm.

05:56:39.260 Women will give you...

05:56:40.420 Well, we know we don't even deal with men.

05:56:42.040 I'm talking about y'all.

05:56:43.040 Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all.

05:56:44.160 Would y'all do that?

05:56:45.040 I think it's, like, a preferred preference for someone to be in shape.

05:56:48.300 But, like, that wouldn't be, like, the determining factor of it.

05:56:52.060 You know?

05:56:52.620 Put it like this.

05:56:53.160 Let me rephrase it.

05:56:54.180 You got a broke guy with no body.

05:56:59.240 And you got a broke guy with a little body.

05:57:01.260 I think y'all would give him a chance.

05:57:02.680 I don't think you're going to just say you're mine.

05:57:04.280 But I think you'll say, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

05:57:07.020 Would you give him just a chance because he's in shape?

05:57:09.300 Even though he's not financially where he wants to be.

05:57:11.040 But he's in, like, peak condition.

05:57:11.900 100%.

05:57:12.480 It still shows that you value yourself and try to be healthy.

05:57:16.540 I still think that's a good factor of somebody being in shape, you know?

05:57:19.680 Exactly.

05:57:20.220 Yeah, it's long-term goals that they're working towards.

05:57:22.920 Yeah, 100%.

05:57:23.760 Another dating question going around the table.

05:57:27.560 Do you think men who care about body count are insecure, starting with you?

05:57:34.380 I wouldn't necessarily say insecure.

05:57:38.740 But when it's a double standard.

05:57:41.000 The only time I would call insecurity is the double standard.

05:57:44.960 But if there's no double standard, then I would say if, like...

05:57:48.360 What do you mean if there's no double standard?

05:57:49.700 Like, to say if a man has, like, 20 bodies, and then I would say, like,

05:57:52.960 oh, I have 22, and they're like, now I'm mad.

05:57:55.520 What do you mean?

05:57:56.440 Like, so I feel like if...

05:57:58.640 If there's not a double standard, then no.

05:58:02.160 But if there is, like, I've fucked this many girls, but you couldn't have fucked that up,

05:58:06.740 then yes, that's so wrong and they're insecure.

05:58:08.640 Yeah, well, one of the questions in the do you disagree is not hypocritical for men with high body counts

05:58:16.760 to prefer to date low body count or virgin women.

05:58:20.640 I think three or four of you circled you disagree, so you think it is hypocritical.

05:58:25.280 Uh, so that's kind of a different question, though, so we'll come to that one later.

05:58:30.860 Uh, so it is insecure.

05:58:36.420 Depends on the person I ask and their answer, really.

05:58:39.440 Okay.

05:58:40.540 So you're saying, essentially you're saying, like, if the guy also has a low body count

05:58:43.960 and he wants to date a woman with a low body count, fine.

05:58:46.400 I don't find that insecure.

05:58:47.740 That's your standard, and that's fine.

05:58:49.260 But then what about, okay, the guy with a high body count,

05:58:51.320 he wants a girl with a low body count, is that insecure?

05:58:55.040 Yeah.

05:58:56.160 Wait, why?

05:58:56.980 Because you can go out and do it, but your woman couldn't go out and do it?

05:59:00.220 Like, your past doesn't matter, but for some reason my past matters.

05:59:04.620 That's what I mean.

05:59:05.340 I feel like that's, why are you insecure about my past?

05:59:08.000 But I'm insecure about yours, it's whatever, we're going to go on with whatever.

05:59:11.120 I'm vowing to be with you.

05:59:12.500 I'll let everybody respond before I give my response.

05:59:15.400 So what do you think?

05:59:15.960 Are men insecure for caring about a woman's body count?

05:59:18.740 If it is hypocritical, like in that situation?

05:59:21.360 Well, so just, I mean, I'm not so much looking at the hypocritical component,

05:59:25.220 I'm more so looking, are just men, whether they have a low body count, high body count,

05:59:30.040 are they insecure if they care about a woman's body count?

05:59:34.660 That's like a loaded question, because if they do have a low body count,

05:59:38.520 and they want someone who also has a low body count, then that's fine, I think.

05:59:42.460 But if they have, yeah.

05:59:43.260 Well, couldn't they, I mean, I would even be willing to say that in both scenarios,

05:59:47.940 they could both be insecure, and they could both not be insecure.

05:59:50.960 I want to say, to go back then, I would say no, because that might be just standard,

05:59:54.500 but to like, when we're going on further questions, I'm going to probably contradict a bit.

05:59:57.940 I would say it would make me, like, if they were interested in me solely based off of that number,

06:00:07.060 and nothing else, like, or not interested, you know, depending on.

06:00:10.720 So they liked you, but then they found out your body count, and for them, the body count was too high.

06:00:17.980 Yeah.

06:00:18.700 Would that be insecure?

06:00:19.720 If theirs was significantly higher than mine, I would say that that's insecure,

06:00:25.000 and I would say that it's probably, if they had a bad reaction to that, in my head,

06:00:30.700 what I would be thinking is, wow, they want a virgin girl because they're so bad in bed

06:00:35.540 that they would be insecure that she's had better.

06:00:39.220 That would be my first interpretation of instant anger.

06:00:42.400 That would be my first interpretation if we're having a nice dinner, everything was cool,

06:00:47.280 and then they, like...

06:00:49.180 It's a deal breaker for them.

06:00:50.560 Yeah, and it...

06:00:51.040 Deal breaker.

06:00:51.520 Yeah, and it was a deal breaker.

06:00:52.700 That's the only reason that they don't want to pursue you anymore is because of that.

06:00:56.020 Yeah, I would say that in that, it would be insecure.

06:00:58.980 I'll let everybody answer on this.

06:01:00.280 Go ahead.

06:01:00.780 I think my answer is pretty similar.

06:01:02.520 If, you know, someone asks me what my body count is, and then theirs is higher or the same,

06:01:09.820 I feel like that's just a sign of insecurity.

06:01:14.100 Okay.

06:01:14.940 All right.

06:01:15.700 Your thoughts?

06:01:17.280 If it's a deal breaker?

06:01:18.900 No, so, uh, is a man insecure if he cares about a woman's body count?

06:01:24.540 No.

06:01:25.320 Okay.

06:01:27.380 And, or, okay, go ahead.

06:01:29.680 I feel like it's one of those things where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't,

06:01:32.940 because either way, the number, I don't think, is going to make them happy, no matter what.

06:01:38.940 They're just going to get jealous, no matter what.

06:01:40.980 Even if it's zero?

06:01:42.900 Well, if it's zero...

06:01:44.220 Hot.

06:01:44.560 I feel like some people actually are...

06:01:47.360 They may not like zero either.

06:01:48.640 Yeah, actually, they might not like zero.

06:01:50.420 I want to say some people actually don't like that.

06:01:51.820 I don't know.

06:01:52.060 I've never had a guy ask my body count.

06:01:53.580 Like, some people don't like that responsibility of taking virginity.

06:01:56.620 I haven't asked a guy also.

06:01:57.580 Like, some people really don't like that.

06:01:59.180 Well, I wouldn't ask a guy, because I don't want to know.

06:02:01.200 I mean, he probably doesn't like you that much if he...

06:02:02.060 Yeah.

06:02:02.740 That's why I'm like, sometimes zero can make someone mad, too, I think.

06:02:05.640 That's what I'm saying.

06:02:06.360 Yeah.

06:02:06.480 It's like damned if you do.

06:02:07.060 Well, I think...

06:02:07.840 Let me...

06:02:08.200 I do want to jump in really quick on this.

06:02:10.380 You said that zero would make a guy mad.

06:02:12.340 It could.

06:02:12.800 I'm not saying all men.

06:02:14.040 Like, because most men would probably like that.

06:02:15.260 Because they're like, oh, she has no experience.

06:02:16.220 But I have met men that did not want to be with virgins.

06:02:20.140 Sure.

06:02:21.020 There's probably men that are like that.

06:02:22.440 But I think the men would not like that she's a virgin, because they perhaps perceive that

06:02:30.380 as, oh, she's a virgin.

06:02:32.720 Like, let's say the guy's angle here is he wants to have casual sex.

06:02:36.940 Like, he wants to have sex quickly.

06:02:38.220 He doesn't want to wait.

06:02:39.240 So he's probably making this assessment of, okay, she's a virgin.

06:02:42.300 I'm going to have to wait six months.

06:02:44.080 I'm going to have to wait till love, whatever it is.

06:02:46.740 Um, I don't think they would really have an issue with it if she was down to fuck immediately.

06:02:52.660 Like, I can't imagine.

06:02:53.580 Oh, oh, she's a virgin and she wants to fuck me once and then that's it.

06:02:56.980 Eh.

06:02:57.440 I mean, assuming that's what he wanted to, I can't imagine.

06:03:01.220 See, the perspective I've always gotten is that they just didn't want to deal with the

06:03:04.460 annoyance of the woman after they took their virginity.

06:03:06.500 That was literally their explanation.

06:03:08.060 Like, you know, and I get it.

06:03:09.080 It's the attachment.

06:03:10.140 Yeah.

06:03:10.220 So it's like, it could be both, though.

06:03:12.300 There could be a lot of...

06:03:13.540 There's a lot of crazy, promiscuous women.

06:03:13.740 There's a lot of crazy, promiscuous women who, like, I don't understand this whole, like,

06:03:18.680 oh, she's a virgin.

06:03:19.600 She's going to be, like, stage five clinger.

06:03:21.160 Like, no, I don't think so.

06:03:23.260 But, like, from who I talked to, that was their assumption.

06:03:25.720 And I'm like, I get it.

06:03:27.120 And you're kind of unforgettable in that person's life forever.

06:03:29.260 And, like, it's kind of valid to say, like, someone with a zero body count, that could

06:03:32.560 make someone feel insecure about it, too.

06:03:34.640 I don't want the responsibility of that.

06:03:36.160 Okay.

06:03:36.480 You know?

06:03:36.700 Sure.

06:03:37.040 Sure.

06:03:37.820 Going around the table, your thoughts?

06:03:39.760 Are men insecure if they care about the woman's body count?

06:03:41.880 No.

06:03:42.620 Okay.

06:03:43.380 Your answer to this?

06:03:46.160 That's a good question.

06:03:47.140 I feel like if it's a deciding factor of dating that person, then, yeah.

06:03:53.140 Okay.

06:03:53.420 Yeah.

06:03:53.980 And so, should body count matter?

06:03:57.100 Going around, just a yes or no, really quick.

06:04:02.440 Honestly, no.

06:04:03.960 I wouldn't say so.

06:04:05.260 I would say no, but depends on if you're being responsible.

06:04:08.240 Like, does that person have a high body count, not using condoms or being safe?

06:04:13.120 Because that would change my perspective on that.

06:04:14.660 I would have to agree with your answer.

06:04:17.860 So, shouldn't matter.

06:04:19.600 Yeah, shouldn't matter, though.

06:04:20.280 Shouldn't matter.

06:04:20.800 Okay.

06:04:21.080 No.

06:04:21.440 Let's even just grant that no STDs.

06:04:23.300 In a perfect world, no STDs.

06:04:25.020 No STDs, yeah.

06:04:25.580 Then no.

06:04:26.580 No.

06:04:29.260 So, going around the table, you guys said body count, shouldn't matter, doesn't matter.

06:04:34.340 What's your body count?

06:04:35.480 Eight.

06:04:36.140 Hold on.

06:04:36.780 Say it again.

06:04:37.380 Eight.

06:04:38.700 Four?

06:04:39.840 I won't tell that number.

06:04:41.220 Did you write it in the...

06:04:42.740 No, I did not.

06:04:43.520 Uh, do you want to give us a range?

06:04:46.240 No, I do not.

06:04:47.200 Is it more than a hundred?

06:04:49.500 I will not say.

06:04:50.400 Is it more than a thousand?

06:04:51.860 I'm not telling you.

06:04:52.980 Is it...

06:04:53.400 It's over nine thousand!

06:04:55.940 You didn't write it here, right?

06:04:57.280 No.

06:04:57.320 You're not going to be a little trickster?

06:04:58.800 I have to look at, look for it, or whatever.

06:05:00.560 I'm not lying.

06:05:01.940 Okay.

06:05:03.360 Wait.

06:05:04.240 No, that's not me.

06:05:06.380 You gotta clarify.

06:05:08.340 Under 30?

06:05:09.240 Wait, you said under 50.

06:05:11.840 Yeah, and then I'm, like, under 30, I'm pretty sure.

06:05:14.940 But over...

06:05:16.420 Over 10, for sure.

06:05:18.200 No, you said over 20.

06:05:19.460 For sure.

06:05:20.200 Yeah, over 20, under 30.

06:05:23.380 Okay, over...

06:05:24.620 Over 20.

06:05:26.760 Under 30.

06:05:27.760 Under 50.

06:05:28.640 Okay.

06:05:28.820 Yeah, sure.

06:05:29.420 All right, sure.

06:05:29.540 I put NA because I don't know.

06:05:33.360 I'm not someone that really, like, writes down people's names and stuff.

06:05:36.480 Like, I know people do that to keep track, so I don't have a guess.

06:05:39.760 I don't want to remember.

06:05:42.740 Let me...

06:05:43.520 You put NA?

06:05:44.660 I think so.

06:05:46.680 Is that what you...

06:05:47.720 Wait.

06:05:50.640 Sorry.

06:05:52.580 What about you?

06:05:54.220 Four.

06:05:54.920 Four?

06:05:55.560 Oh, wow.

06:05:55.900 Hey, girly.

06:05:56.240 Uh, that's just, for me and the man above, I feel like I don't want the whole world to

06:06:01.280 know that number.

06:06:02.440 You want to give us a range?

06:06:04.940 It's under 10.

06:06:06.740 Okay.

06:06:07.280 Wait, and so you forgot?

06:06:09.060 Not that I forgot.

06:06:09.980 I just don't count every single one, so I don't know what to...

06:06:14.040 I don't know what the number is because...

06:06:15.760 Wait, you don't count every single one?

06:06:17.600 No, not, like, off the top of my head.

06:06:19.720 No.

06:06:23.000 Is there a range?

06:06:24.360 What's your body count?

06:06:25.220 No.

06:06:25.340 Hey, hold on, bro.

06:06:26.460 Hey, hey.

06:06:27.220 How you gonna skip me for the other question and come to me for that one?

06:06:29.540 I ain't gonna answer none of them other ones.

06:06:30.800 Hey, well, I let you go.

06:06:32.460 Um...

06:06:32.780 Now you're back.

06:06:34.440 You're back now.

06:06:36.280 I'm definitely, like, under 50.

06:06:39.740 Definitely under 50.

06:06:40.360 Is it fair?

06:06:41.780 Yeah, that's all I got, bro.

06:06:44.280 I'm under 50.

06:06:45.040 Oh, you're kind of a tall guy, right?

06:06:47.000 I mean, but I like to...

06:06:48.220 When I find a good thing, I like to keep it around.

06:06:50.020 That's fair.

06:06:50.400 You know what I'm saying?

06:06:50.900 I like to keep going back to the well, you know what I'm saying?

06:06:54.140 So let's start...

06:06:55.180 Let's start going...

06:06:56.520 Definitely don't want to go back in the desert, you know what I'm saying?

06:06:59.840 Wow.

06:07:00.540 Yeah, yeah, I like that.

06:07:02.100 But, uh...

06:07:02.640 Because here's the thing, right?

06:07:03.860 Like, if your body count was three, like, you don't just forget the three bodies.

06:07:08.480 I could...

06:07:08.960 When you start forgetting, that's like...

06:07:11.540 I feel like that's 20 plus.

06:07:13.220 No, not that I forget.

06:07:14.540 It's just I don't count a lot of them.

06:07:16.840 That maybe would count.

06:07:19.080 But I can...

06:07:19.880 Because I've had serious relationships for the past, you know, eight years.

06:07:23.920 So I couldn't guess what mine is because...

06:07:26.860 How many serious relationships have you had?

06:07:28.480 Three.

06:07:28.980 Three.

06:07:29.540 Yeah.

06:07:29.700 Okay, so it's at least three.

06:07:31.560 Yeah.

06:07:31.920 That's fair.

06:07:32.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:07:33.400 I'll give you that number.

06:07:35.260 Okay.

06:07:35.620 Can I answer the body...

06:07:37.960 Did the body count matter question?

06:07:39.900 Yeah, yeah, of course.

06:07:41.200 I think it does matter, but I don't ask women for it.

06:07:45.660 Because I'm just like, I don't believe you.

06:07:47.940 You know what I'm saying?

06:07:48.540 So, like, I'm not about to sit here and say, oh, really?

06:07:50.280 You just had three?

06:07:50.840 Like, I don't know.

06:07:52.120 You know what I'm saying?

06:07:52.680 So I don't even care.

06:07:53.580 But does it matter?

06:07:54.660 It does matter, I think, on a biological level.

06:07:57.580 Maybe not an emotional level.

06:07:59.120 Maybe not a political level.

06:08:00.360 But I think I've read a study recently where it said when a woman has about two to ten

06:08:05.360 partners, her ability to bond with a man decreased by 40%.

06:08:09.220 So me, personally, I think that's true, because I see women.

06:08:12.360 I think the more women have experiences, it kind of get hard to...

06:08:15.900 Because they take on the energy of these men.

06:08:17.560 But don't men, too?

06:08:18.760 I want to say, is there, like, a study for men?

06:08:20.640 I mean, I think...

06:08:21.700 I want to know the other side.

06:08:22.600 You see how it's one side, and you see how it's the other side.

06:08:25.200 And they're putting their energy into women.

06:08:27.060 All right, all right, all right.

06:08:28.560 I don't think...

06:08:29.420 It's an exchange of energy.

06:08:31.080 It is, but you're actually receiving.

06:08:33.600 The man is actually giving.

06:08:34.640 Now, maybe he's an over-giver.

06:08:36.980 But I'd rather be an over-giver than an over-receiver physically.

06:08:40.220 What if you're an over-receiver?

06:08:40.800 I mean, what's different?

06:08:41.560 Exactly.

06:08:42.060 That's what I'm saying.

06:08:42.460 You're receiving because you're taking on the energy of the man.

06:08:45.940 The man is really giving you his energy.

06:08:47.860 So, for example...

06:08:48.780 Now, maybe you can laugh all you want.

06:08:49.860 So, feminine energy just doesn't exist during sex?

06:08:51.700 I didn't say it don't exist.

06:08:53.020 Like, during sex, though, because, like, women can't transfer their energy?

06:08:55.900 I'm just saying, man.

06:08:57.300 If you're being penetrated...

06:08:58.900 If a man got three women, right, and he's dealing with all three of them,

06:09:02.680 they're becoming more like him.

06:09:04.640 If a woman is dealing with three men, she's becoming like them.

06:09:08.140 There's a difference between becoming like them and becoming like him.

06:09:11.860 It's all going to a point.

06:09:13.660 Women who are promiscuous a lot of times have a lot of mental issues, in my opinion.

06:09:18.140 But I don't even ask...

06:09:18.680 Same with men.

06:09:19.360 Same with men.

06:09:20.560 Possibly.

06:09:21.480 It's not possibly.

06:09:22.620 Like, it's actually...

06:09:23.400 That is a statistic.

06:09:24.420 I couldn't tell you where the more educated you are, the more likely you are to have more sexual partners.

06:09:30.400 You know what I'm saying?

06:09:31.460 But I do think that a woman with multiple bodies...

06:09:34.440 I'm more concerned with the type of guy she was with.

06:09:37.320 Yeah.

06:09:37.520 I think the type of guy she was with previously, to me personally, means more to me because,

06:09:43.080 for example, she was with seven good guys and she was with one former criminal.

06:09:48.960 That one dude will have way more impact on her than the seven church boys she dated.

06:09:54.140 Same with if a guy is getting with strippers and stuff.

06:09:56.960 Oh, yeah.

06:09:57.360 Absolutely.

06:09:57.660 I agree.

06:09:58.360 You know what I'm saying?

06:09:58.700 Because it lowers your...

06:09:59.720 Because you think every woman is just this wild, sexual, crazed demon.

06:10:02.380 It's like every woman is not like that.

06:10:04.020 But I just feel like biologically, I think it affects women more.

06:10:07.160 Does it affect men?

06:10:08.120 Yes, it does.

06:10:08.980 I just think it affects women more.

06:10:11.040 I want to say, I feel like men are able to...

06:10:12.740 I mean, like women kind of have to learn how to play the game.

06:10:14.880 Men just kind of do it.

06:10:15.480 We can compartmentalize.

06:10:16.420 Like, we can catch a body and keep it pushing.

06:10:18.060 Like, they've been doing it since young.

06:10:19.200 Like, I had to learn how to, like, you know, turn off the feelings.

06:10:21.380 Well, I think men definitely have higher body counts than men, subjectively.

06:10:25.840 Like, way, way higher.

06:10:27.740 You'd be surprised.

06:10:30.360 I think it's mechanical.

06:10:31.860 More mechanical for men.

06:10:33.540 Yeah.

06:10:33.900 I think these days women are becoming more...

06:10:35.700 I think these days women...

06:10:36.420 We're becoming more masculine.

06:10:37.460 Yeah, I think women now can just have sex with you and keep it pushing.

06:10:41.140 I think now, today, more than ever, I will concede to that.

06:10:43.800 Hell yeah.

06:10:44.940 Well, and a lot more women are celibate as well.

06:10:47.020 Because we have us in between, like, celibate women and, like, not celibate.

06:10:52.580 I know a lot of celibate women.

06:10:54.640 I know a lot of celibate women.

06:10:56.660 Yeah, they celibate.

06:10:57.860 All right.

06:10:58.300 They sell a little bit.

06:10:59.520 Depends on how much you're trying to...

06:11:00.580 They got a price.

06:11:02.220 Not all of them, but you'd be surprised.

06:11:04.920 Who are these women?

06:11:06.260 Come on, man.

06:11:07.040 Stop acting like you don't know what's going on, man.

06:11:10.240 Who are these groups...

06:11:11.100 Who are these men that'll see you in the woods and just attack you?

06:11:14.200 Because who are they?

06:11:15.640 I don't know.

06:11:16.220 And you got a point.

06:11:18.020 I don't know.

06:11:18.800 I don't know.

06:11:19.380 I guess they're from the same place, Maple Leaf Land.

06:11:22.040 Exactly.

06:11:22.640 They both from the same place, Disneyland.

06:11:24.320 I don't know.

06:11:27.140 But, yo, you said you're an actor?

06:11:29.240 Yeah.

06:11:29.920 You're an excellent actor.

06:11:31.080 I'm not saying that you're fake.

06:11:32.260 No, no, no.

06:11:32.780 What I'm saying is your decorum in the midst of heated conversations is excellent.

06:11:37.840 You know what I'm saying?

06:11:38.660 So I know that you can kill a role, so I'm looking forward to seeing you blow up.

06:11:42.120 So that's good.

06:11:43.460 Yeah.

06:11:43.680 Yeah, because I had conversations with a lot of women.

06:11:45.420 They keep getting real like this, though.

06:11:46.460 People are really picking on you.

06:11:47.580 I thought I kept getting the question.

06:11:48.580 I wouldn't say we was picking on them.

06:11:49.620 In you every time.

06:11:50.980 But you handle it, though.

06:11:52.180 I've been on a lot of panels with even men that can't handle it.

06:11:54.900 So the way you was able to stand in the grace of fire, like, you're going to be a dope actor.

06:11:57.900 So that's dope.

06:11:58.480 Thank you.

06:11:58.940 All of y'all got pretty good decorums.

06:12:00.880 Thank you.

06:12:01.460 Pretty good.

06:12:02.240 You know what I'm saying?

06:12:02.700 I think we all handle it.

06:12:02.960 The future looks bright because I heard some young women with some sound minds.

06:12:06.920 So, you know, I'm optimistic for the future.

06:12:08.800 I got a daughter, you know.

06:12:10.260 I love how the comments, though, when we first began this were like, all these classy women, blah, blah.

06:12:15.260 And then it was like these hate comments all the way through.

06:12:18.040 I hate the trolls, man.

06:12:19.220 I hate the trolls.

06:12:19.840 The trolls.

06:12:20.080 Oh, my gosh.

06:12:20.820 They're very, the trolls, the commenters can be extreme.

06:12:23.600 I deal with the same thing, like, on my own channel.

06:12:25.520 Same.

06:12:26.620 I had a show where I had a guy that, he advocates marriage.

06:12:30.640 So all the dudes was mad at me because I was like, hey, I understand.

06:12:34.280 Because there's men that just say, you know, women are terrible.

06:12:37.240 And I think you should get your passport moved.

06:12:40.140 Okay.

06:12:40.940 But if there's men that's saying, hey, I'm a married man.

06:12:43.380 I have a successful marriage.

06:12:44.940 And I'm speaking towards people who still want that.

06:12:47.600 There's nothing wrong with that.

06:12:48.740 And a lot of men got mad at him.

06:12:50.600 I'm like, how can you get mad at a man who has a wife?

06:12:53.960 What else should he speak towards?

06:12:55.480 And he's trying to help other people get married.

06:12:56.760 He's talking to people who wants what he has.

06:12:58.920 Like, two worlds can exist.

06:13:01.100 I think the extremism gets crazy.

06:13:02.740 Why do you think men don't like women?

06:13:04.740 Because obviously women don't like men for the reasons that, like, violence and stuff.

06:13:07.140 I like women.

06:13:07.720 I love women.

06:13:08.500 I love women.

06:13:09.060 But you were saying that one guy, you were saying those guys say they don't.

06:13:12.120 No, but these guys, these YouTube guys, a lot of times you don't know what they look like.

06:13:17.300 Because you don't know who's behind that screen.

06:13:19.600 They're all giga chads.

06:13:21.660 Yeah, so sometimes, you know, I hate to be vain.

06:13:24.680 But sometimes you have a scene, you can hear somebody have an attitude or hear they're talking points.

06:13:28.880 And when you actually see them, it's like, oh, I know why you're mad.

06:13:30.840 You know what I'm saying?

06:13:31.420 So it's like a lot of these dudes and these trolls and women, they have a lot of personal gripes.

06:13:36.060 They don't like themselves.

06:13:37.340 They don't like how they look.

06:13:38.160 So they can really get off their little animus in these little chats in these panels.

06:13:42.520 So I don't even take the troll series like that.

06:13:44.840 They be miserable.

06:13:46.140 Sorry for the delay.

06:13:47.120 Sorry, Mythic, for the delay.

06:13:48.960 Thank you, man.

06:13:49.500 Thank you, Brian and Andrew, for all the insight.

06:13:52.980 First time donating.

06:13:54.420 Thank you, bro.

06:13:54.840 Five four inches 30-year-old male virgin here.

06:13:58.440 With all the female high expectations, should I still look for a wife?

06:14:02.100 Interesting one.

06:14:03.980 Damn.

06:14:05.260 I almost, maybe we got to get you on the show, Mythic.

06:14:07.820 And he sent it in twice, bro.

06:14:09.280 Hold on.

06:14:10.420 Yo, thank you for the TTS, man.

06:14:11.540 I really appreciate it.

06:14:12.720 We'll give you advice here in just a second.

06:14:14.580 But you sent it in twice, so I'm going to trigger it twice.

06:14:16.360 Mythic Typhoon donated $200.

06:14:19.100 Thank you, Brian and Andrew, for all the insight.

06:14:22.160 Thank you.

06:14:22.580 First time donating.

06:14:24.120 First time.

06:14:24.560 Five four inches male virgin here.

06:14:26.960 With all the female expectations, is there really any point in trying to continue to find a wife?

06:14:33.240 Bro, you got to find yourself a 4'11 woman.

06:14:36.520 Get yourself a little shorty.

06:14:38.240 Not an American.

06:14:38.760 Legally a dwarf.

06:14:39.900 Maybe 4'9".

06:14:40.680 I think it has to be 4'10", 4'9".

06:14:42.900 Gets you into legal dwarf territory.

06:14:45.700 You got to date shorter, brother.

06:14:47.340 And you got to level up all the dimensions.

06:14:49.680 Look, you're dealt the hands you're dealt.

06:14:52.140 You got to just level up.

06:14:53.260 You got to min-max all the dimensions.

06:14:55.500 Get your money right.

06:14:57.240 Get fit.

06:14:58.160 Get shredded.

06:14:59.840 That's what you got to do.

06:15:01.120 But yeah, it's going to be tough.

06:15:02.400 That's tough.

06:15:02.920 I should...

06:15:03.400 Maybe he...

06:15:04.320 Shoot me a DM on Instagram.

06:15:05.980 And it would...

06:15:07.660 I might start bringing...

06:15:09.220 Oh boy, I'm going to get like a billion fucking DMs.

06:15:11.520 You said it.

06:15:11.920 I don't know if I should say it.

06:15:13.140 You said it.

06:15:13.880 I might occasionally bring on like a guy here and there.

06:15:17.260 You know, so we'll see.

06:15:18.380 But send me a DM on Instagram.

06:15:19.720 I'll talk to you.

06:15:20.180 Thank you, Mythic Typhoon.

06:15:22.380 Appreciate it, bro.

06:15:23.000 Oh, but he wants advice to find a wife.

06:15:26.360 You could become a passport bro, dude.

06:15:28.440 That's his best bet.

06:15:29.340 You could go...

06:15:29.840 There's Land America.

06:15:31.940 Be careful.

06:15:32.700 Avoid...

06:15:33.420 Yeah, she's a passport bro.

06:15:36.080 I am not.

06:15:37.100 You are dating a Colombian...

06:15:39.120 Wait.

06:15:40.020 Yes.

06:15:40.500 Colombian woman.

06:15:41.800 That doesn't make me a passport bro.

06:15:43.580 They go specifically to look for wives.

06:15:47.260 What?

06:15:47.700 They go specifically to look for like...

06:15:49.680 I know why you were there.

06:15:51.100 I didn't specifically go for that.

06:15:54.000 So, okay.

06:15:55.500 And I think...

06:15:56.520 Asia.

06:15:58.760 Asia is also good for the passport bros.

06:16:00.540 If you want to find...

06:16:01.560 And they tend to be a bit shorter.

06:16:03.600 Also, the Latina women on the shorter side.

06:16:06.540 Ah, four is crazy, though.

06:16:09.180 I've got a friend.

06:16:10.020 She's 4'9".

06:16:11.000 Oh, yeah?

06:16:12.300 Single.

06:16:13.380 But I'm pretty sure what type of height she want, though.

06:16:15.960 She's taller than her.

06:16:17.840 You know?

06:16:18.480 Oh, shit.

06:16:19.000 Okay, Mythic Typhoon.

06:16:20.680 Her name's Pam.

06:16:21.980 Pam?

06:16:22.580 Pam.

06:16:23.300 That's rough.

06:16:24.200 I know.

06:16:24.640 No, I love her.

06:16:25.320 She's my bestie.

06:16:25.880 We love Pam.

06:16:26.060 Like, only a little better than Karen.

06:16:28.740 Yeah.

06:16:29.300 Pamela.

06:16:31.020 Pamela.

06:16:31.620 I mean, it is like The Office, though.

06:16:33.220 It's kind of...

06:16:34.060 Has she found her gym?

06:16:36.340 No.

06:16:36.960 Oh, okay.

06:16:37.380 No, I'm her gym, basically.

06:16:39.540 Oh, okay.

06:16:40.320 All right.

06:16:40.880 Let's see here.

06:16:41.500 What do we have?

06:16:42.060 Mythic Typhoon, though.

06:16:42.720 Thank you for the TTS, man.

06:16:44.220 Let's see here.

06:16:45.140 We were talking about...

06:16:47.500 Let's see.

06:16:48.160 Oh, the body count thing?

06:16:49.320 You kind of already went into that.

06:16:51.260 Oh, the hypocritical thing.

06:16:54.120 Yeah.

06:16:54.800 So, I actually don't think that there's...

06:16:57.380 And this is also a question here.

06:16:58.960 I don't think there's anything wrong with a guy who has a high body count preferring to date a woman with a low body count or even a virgin.

06:17:07.140 I can't actually think of any why that would be, like, wrong or even hypocritical.

06:17:12.180 I guess not.

06:17:12.860 That's just their standard, because I could say the same thing.

06:17:15.040 A woman with a high body count just wants a man with a low body count.

06:17:18.020 And if that's okay for...

06:17:19.320 That's probably more rare, yeah.

06:17:19.900 But if that's, I guess that...

06:17:22.160 I mean, it's just their standard.

06:17:23.180 It is what it is.

06:17:24.340 Yeah.

06:17:25.640 But not that I agree, but it just is what it is.

06:17:30.240 Because I feel like that's just standard that someone might have.

06:17:32.520 I don't think it's hypocritical, though.

06:17:34.040 Like, it might be hypocritical if he's, like, these fuck...

06:17:39.120 Like, if he was talking shit about high body count women, and then he was, like, one, sleeping with a bunch of women, contributing to said problem.

06:17:46.520 And then, two, he has a high body count himself.

06:17:49.040 He's talking shit about them.

06:17:50.380 Like, he's like, oh, this behavior is, like, abhorrent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

06:17:53.540 But he's still, like, continuing to just, like, have string one after the other, one night stand, one night stand, one night stand.

06:18:00.280 I can't believe yourself, but if you value your woman that much, you need to value yourself that much.

06:18:04.260 And, like, it's the golden rule.

06:18:05.380 You learn it when you're five years old.

06:18:07.020 Treat people the way you want to be treated.

06:18:08.360 If you're going around fucking everyone, treat people how you want to be treated, you know?

06:18:13.360 How about this scenario?

06:18:14.420 The guy is 30 years old, and he's had some long-term relationships.

06:18:19.960 He's had some one-night stands here.

06:18:21.340 His body count is 30, which I think most people would say, yeah, it's a bit on the high side.

06:18:28.700 So, but he's like, well, I, despite my body count being 30, I don't want to date a woman who has a body count of 30.

06:18:35.880 I'd much rather date a woman who's got a body count of, like, three or less, or a virgin.

06:18:40.680 Is she younger?

06:18:42.600 Because then that would...

06:18:44.020 Well, that gets into age gap stuff, but, like, let's just, I mean, say she's three years younger than them.

06:18:48.880 Because I feel like if he's older, it is inevitable for him.

06:18:52.280 Like, he's going to have more experience.

06:18:53.860 He lived on the earth longer.

06:18:55.100 He's going to have a higher body count.

06:18:56.480 Because he lived on the earth longer.

06:18:57.880 Then I feel like that's valid.

06:18:58.660 Sure, well, yeah, you're going to have, you know, as you age, you're going to accrue more sexual relationships, typically.

06:19:06.280 But I just feel like if that's what you want out of the world, you're not going to treat yourself like that.

06:19:10.520 What do you mean?

06:19:11.640 I actually don't think that's the case at all.

06:19:13.360 Like, a guy who's had sexual experiences, even through his own sexual experiences, could come to some conclusion or determination that, like, it seems to be, like, he starts noticing patterns.

06:19:25.180 And he's like, hmm, these women who have, like, body counts similar to mine, they are less faithful.

06:19:30.840 They are, like, low.

06:19:32.480 They're not as high quality as these women who happen to have low body counts.

06:19:37.380 Why is it more respectful for a man to realize that at 30, but for a woman, you already caught 30 bodies, so you're just done for.

06:19:45.980 Like, you know what I'm saying?

06:19:47.120 Like, why is it more respectful for a man to do that, but a woman couldn't change the same way?

06:19:52.180 Yeah, so a couple things.

06:19:53.000 So, first, I don't think promiscuity is good in either gender.

06:19:56.260 Like, I'm not saying.

06:19:56.540 Yeah, like 100%.

06:19:57.440 Like, same.

06:19:58.180 Like, 100%.

06:19:58.900 Yeah, I'm not saying, like, because there is this common, I guess, response to this, my position is, like, well, why is it okay for men?

06:20:07.420 Like, da-da-da.

06:20:07.980 I actually don't think it's good for men or women to be promiscuous.

06:20:11.260 I don't think, I wouldn't encourage it.

06:20:14.040 I do think there are some differences, though, when it comes to this.

06:20:19.180 But, so, sorry, your question was, can you repeat your?

06:20:24.480 So, like, say that I'm also, like, I turn 30, and I'm like, wow, the men I'm dealing with, they're crappy.

06:20:29.380 I don't want to sleep around anymore.

06:20:30.660 I want to deal with a man that has less body count.

06:20:32.580 Yeah, you can do that.

06:20:34.620 But does your stance still stay the same?

06:20:37.940 Well, it wouldn't be a double standard insofar as a woman who, say, she racked up a body count of 30, and she's like, oh, I want to go and date a guy with a low body count.

06:20:48.520 Yeah.

06:20:49.280 Or...

06:20:49.760 Is your stance still the same?

06:20:51.760 No, she can do it.

06:20:52.700 Yeah.

06:20:53.060 No objections whatsoever.

06:20:55.280 I do think there's still a difference, though, and I think women are, they tend to care less about body count.

06:21:00.820 They seem to be more forgiving of men who have a path to promiscuity.

06:21:04.240 And also, I think there is a differential here.

06:21:07.020 So, this kind of ties into something else here on this list.

06:21:12.240 So, basically, any woman has the capacity to be a slut.

06:21:18.500 Yeah.

06:21:18.720 Like, any woman, if she wanted to, even if she's unattractive, could go, like, fuck 100 dudes in a year, if she wanted to.

06:21:26.240 Most women probably don't want to do that, but, like, they can.

06:21:29.040 So, because sex is harder to get for men, what you're going to end up seeing is that, like, women who are just undesirable, they can still, like, get sexual access from men.

06:21:40.920 But men who are undesirable to women, they typically don't have that same level of sexual access to women.

06:21:47.180 So, men who can get laid a lot are just going to be, like, kind of across the board deemed as attractive.

06:21:55.260 Whether that's physically attractive, whether they have riz or game, or they can elicit the click or the vibe.

06:22:02.400 Because a lot of men can't, like, elicit, because some men, like, they're nervous on first dates.

06:22:06.780 Like, most of you are probably not going to feel the click with a guy who's, like, kind of, like, his eye contact is shit, and he's fumbling, and his voice is shaking a little bit.

06:22:16.000 He's not going to give you the click or the vibe or the chemistry.

06:22:19.260 I guarantee you that.

06:22:20.520 So, the men that are capable of elicit, and these are typically players, right?

06:22:26.120 Like, most players, they can get you, they can get the chemistry from you.

06:22:29.080 They can get the click, the vibe, whatever.

06:22:31.060 Because they've done it with a bunch of other women, that's how they got sex from all these other women.

06:22:34.180 So, these men who are, like, super attractive in one metric or the other.

06:22:38.660 Whether they're good looking, they have status, maybe they're rich, whatever it is.

06:22:44.560 Women don't need any of these other components to have sex.

06:22:47.400 Like, a woman could actually be physically unattractive and, like, fuck a hundred dudes in a year.

06:22:52.280 And you got a point.

06:22:53.700 Not going to lie, you do have a point.

06:22:55.420 Yeah, so I think the difference here is, is that, like, when it comes to the assessment of a partner,

06:23:01.160 men are going to look at a woman and, like, she could have a high body count.

06:23:07.060 But, like, a woman who has a high body count doesn't necessarily correspond with her being, like,

06:23:13.720 like, surface-level attractive.

06:23:15.700 And I'm not even talking, like, I'm not even talking physically attractive.

06:23:19.060 But, like, a terrible bitchy woman can, like, go fuck a hundred dudes.

06:23:23.660 But, like, eh, actually, well, I can maybe make the same, like, scumbag dudes can also, like, get pussy.

06:23:29.220 So, I don't know.

06:23:30.580 Maybe that's not the best argument.

06:23:32.180 But in any case, like, hmm.

06:23:34.920 I know there's, like, a stronger steel man to my position, but I can't.

06:23:38.300 It's not coming to my brain.

06:23:39.440 I mean, women like men who, women, women like men who get women.

06:23:43.740 They, like, that's what attracts them.

06:23:45.600 But we don't like when they brag about their body count, especially if it's high.

06:23:48.300 No, we probably don't.

06:23:49.500 But at the same time, it's a million women going to a Chris Brown concert knowing damn well he's not picking them.

06:23:54.100 And they're still taking a thousand, spending a thousand dollars to take a picture with them.

06:23:56.320 So, they know he has other women.

06:23:57.700 They know he's messed with other women.

06:23:58.980 And they're still drawn to them because they are kind of turned on by that.

06:24:02.740 Because sometimes I've heard women say, well, if nobody else wants you, why should I?

06:24:06.020 So, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a, it's a little catchy because it's a little funny.

06:24:11.780 It can go either way.

06:24:12.920 But women really like a man because it's a skill set.

06:24:15.060 Getting women is a skill set.

06:24:16.480 Getting men doesn't require anything.

06:24:18.220 You just got to be there.

06:24:18.880 So, to get multiple women, I have to be witty.

06:24:21.460 I have to be charismatic.

06:24:23.500 Fake job.

06:24:24.320 I got to, you know, do a little thing like he said.

06:24:26.440 Like, you don't have to do nothing to get men.

06:24:28.020 Men have to have certain attributes to get women.

06:24:31.080 Which, so, oftentimes those attributes are attractive to women.

06:24:35.640 Yeah, like the skill set required from a guy or just like whatever, maybe it's status or whatever.

06:24:40.700 Like, the requisite skill set for a man to get laid in order to, like, get that high body count is, like, has to be something.

06:24:48.500 Whereas women, you can just show up.

06:24:53.000 I want to say, I did circle a question that said that it's, it's easier for girls to go on dates than men.

06:24:58.180 So, or, no, I didn't circle it.

06:25:01.360 So, yeah, I guess I agree with that 100%.

06:25:04.100 But, yeah, no, it's like, like, any of you women here could, like, if you wanted to, you guys could go have sex with, like, 100 dudes in the next month.

06:25:16.300 And every single woman at this table, let me ask you, okay, let me ask.

06:25:19.920 Do you think you could?

06:25:21.760 Like, if you wanted to, you're like, I want to have sex with 100 men in the next 30 days.

06:25:26.500 Do you think you could do it?

06:25:27.400 I mean, if I wanted to.

06:25:29.020 If you wanted to.

06:25:29.900 I know I could, but that wouldn't.

06:25:31.240 Right.

06:25:31.580 Yeah.

06:25:31.740 Like, the amount of men, like, if you were to pull men and be like, in the next 30 days, do you think you can fuck 100 women?

06:25:39.540 No.

06:25:41.880 I think I know some men.

06:25:43.560 Unless they're rich with some status.

06:25:45.620 A regular dude can't do that.

06:25:46.720 A regular woman working at Burger King can't do that.

06:25:48.740 Yeah, the average person.

06:25:49.620 Like, even, I would argue, even, like, a below average looking woman, she can do it.

06:25:57.380 We've had them on the show.

06:25:58.620 Elite men can possibly do that.

06:26:01.040 Yeah, so, like, when it comes to, like, the getting laid thing, you used a great word there, elite.

06:26:05.560 So, like, the sexual optionality that even the average or below average woman has is comparable.

06:26:15.940 The sexual pull that you have is comparable to, as a guy, to get that same amount, you have to be an A-list celebrity.

06:26:24.800 You have to be a professional athlete, like, a musician, like, top-tier musician, famous, like, insane status, insane something or other.

06:26:36.960 And, if you look at it, even those guys who are famous and have the pick of the litter, they often just end up dealing with the same girls that somebody else dealt with.

06:26:47.900 Like, you see these girls go from future to this guy.

06:26:50.300 So, even the elite men are having, obviously, trouble because if you're a rich man and you can have any woman in the world and you only seem to get Drake's ex or Chris Brown's ex, they're even having trouble doing it, obviously, because that doesn't make sense to me.

06:27:04.980 If you can have access to the world, why do you want the ex of somebody who's in your field, in your craft?

06:27:09.900 So, even elite men who make money still can't just get what they want.

06:27:14.140 So, they even have it worse than a woman who ain't got nothing.

06:27:16.820 Go figure.

06:27:17.320 So, what I was going to say, it's not necessarily that I was kind of thinking about.

06:27:22.140 It's not necessarily hypocritical.

06:27:24.000 Well, I mean, I think that it's hypocritical, but if we're not arguing hypocritical for a high body count guy to want a low body count girl, my issue with it, in my experience, personally, is that I will have gone on a date with a guy and he will say, what's your body count?

06:27:42.300 And I say it and he gets excited.

06:27:43.780 And he doesn't get excited because he genuinely cares about me, likes my interests, anything like that.

06:27:50.020 He was like, oh, you know, like in the past, it would be like, oh, she has like one or two.

06:27:54.680 Meanwhile, he has 20 or 30.

06:27:56.320 And he views it, I feel like, more as like a purity thing.

06:28:00.400 And it's like, it kind of gives me personally the ick.

06:28:03.280 Oh, boy.

06:28:04.000 Okay.

06:28:04.620 Because, because, because, because I think that someone, you know, having a high or low body count, I don't think I'm any more or less pure than someone who has, you know, a higher or low body count, you know?

06:28:18.200 Well, your sexual purity would be less pure.

06:28:23.660 Any, for me personally, I don't want someone, I guess, who looks at my amount and is like, oh, well, I want to be with her because, you know, she's less experienced than me.

06:28:35.960 I, if a guy previously would have gone and like asked me out and we went on a date and he asked me that question, I like immediately shut it down.

06:28:45.720 I'm like, this isn't going to work because you asked that question.

06:28:47.880 And like the very first time that I never felt that was with my current partner.

06:28:51.880 So like everyone has different preferences of what they want and maybe it's hypocritical or not hypocritical.

06:28:57.320 But, I think that there is this kind of like, there's so many guys that are getting with girls and they are having these high body counts, but then girls like are expected to be completely pure, like, like snow.

06:29:13.780 And it's kind of like, why?

06:29:15.480 Not pure, but purer.

06:29:18.200 For, for me, I just don't, I guess I don't understand why, like why they would want that.

06:29:24.140 Because we're men and we, we know that other men's energy is still, I've, I've even seen a study where if a woman is pregnant, like if a woman had unprotected sex with men and they didn't ejaculate or whatever, that DNA even affects the child you have with her.

06:29:42.720 So it's a, yeah, look it up.

06:29:44.580 Like his, the DNA of other men are in the child that they have with the woman.

06:29:49.980 So it's a huge thing when it, when it comes to men and women.

06:29:53.460 Like I said, we keep these conversations real emotional, but scientifically it's just, it's just different.

06:29:58.640 It's like if you got a cup of water, if one person put their finger in it, you might take a sip.

06:30:03.380 But if I put my finger in it, she put her finger in it, she put her finger in it, you're not drinking that water.

06:30:06.920 I know, but if your cup of water that you drink already, like, has a ton of fingers that have been in it, but then you want a new cup of water.

06:30:17.220 My, I guess my issue.

06:30:18.780 I'm the cup.

06:30:19.500 You can just wash the cup off.

06:30:20.980 The water is the water.

06:30:22.100 I guess my issue, I guess my issue with it comes down to some girls are fine and they, they, they like view lower body counts for themselves as like purity.

06:30:36.880 And that's what they want.

06:30:37.560 And they want like a guy who has, you know, who, who likes that and that's fine and that's great and all.

06:30:42.620 But like, I guess, I guess what I'm saying is what, what is the motivation for a guy to like, I guess, look down on a girl for, for that when he's done the same exact thing?

06:31:01.920 Like, I know you guys explained it, but I still don't necessarily understand.

06:31:04.580 I mean, cause, cause some stuff, cause you're not a man.

06:31:06.680 So we're telling you what it is.

06:31:08.060 We, you, we, it's not stopping us from bonding with her.

06:31:12.420 Having sex with multiple men will prevent you from bonding with, I've seen it with my own eyes.

06:31:17.560 Like women who come out of the sex world, come out of the porn life, they'd be crazy.

06:31:22.120 They, they, it'd be hard for them to attach themselves because they, they've desensitized something that is highly valuable.

06:31:28.460 A woman's sexuality is very powerful.

06:31:30.760 That, that is her, not to limit her to just sex, but it's a powerful thing.

06:31:34.820 Like you can, a life comes out of you.

06:31:37.420 So to just let anybody come in there over and over and over and over and over and over and over, that's going to just affect the ability to pair with the man.

06:31:44.120 And when I've met women with high body counts, they're very argumentative.

06:31:48.440 They're very, they like to debate.

06:31:50.120 They, they're not the most agreeable women.

06:31:53.080 They're hard to bond with because you're literally dealing with the men in them.

06:31:57.860 And they're, it's like those men are still in them.

06:32:00.060 They, they, they, they all over the place.

06:32:01.420 They're confused.

06:32:01.960 Like I said, one man with multiple women, they're becoming more acquiescent to his energy.

06:32:07.400 So it's coming to a point.

06:32:08.580 It's like the bottom of the pyramid as opposed to the top.

06:32:11.100 The top is very, the top comes to a point.

06:32:13.440 The bottom is very broad.

06:32:15.000 So the woman who has a lot of men, she's the broad bottom.

06:32:18.060 The men that is dealing with multiple women, he's the top.

06:32:21.580 So they're all getting like me.

06:32:23.960 But if you're dealing with multiple men, you're just like them.

06:32:27.060 A master of, a jack of trades is a master of none.

06:32:29.820 So it's the difference.

06:32:31.360 If it's easier for women to get laid though, then wouldn't they have higher body counts?

06:32:36.260 Just because of the.

06:32:37.860 They kind of do though.

06:32:39.200 That's the, it says, but the fact that she, it'd be easier for them to like, but that's

06:32:43.860 why it says a lot about a woman who doesn't do that.

06:32:45.740 Because if it's easy for you to just get any man and you choose not to do that, that says

06:32:49.340 a lot about you as a woman, which makes you what?

06:32:51.640 More attractive because that means you're showing decorum.

06:32:53.920 That means you're showing self-control.

06:32:55.480 Even a woman who is being respectful in today's time, because everything about today's time

06:33:00.380 is more advocating for women to be sassy and talk back and all that.

06:33:03.900 So to me, beauty is a responsibility, not a bargaining chip.

06:33:07.540 But then are men trying to get high body counts, like for practice essentially?

06:33:12.120 Is that what you're saying?

06:33:12.560 No, I don't think they try to, I don't think it's a, I don't think we do it on purpose.

06:33:15.840 I think it just, it happens because as a man, some women just give it up easy.

06:33:21.420 And a lot of times women be starting that sexual activity.

06:33:23.880 I've had women get mad at me because I wasn't trying to have sex with them.

06:33:27.100 They thought I was weird.

06:33:27.900 I'm like, no, I really was just trying to get to know you.

06:33:30.320 So it doesn't.

06:33:31.860 It's definitely men though that are the chasers that are pursuing.

06:33:33.760 That's what I'm saying.

06:33:34.480 We're pursuing.

06:33:35.260 So, oh, so exactly.

06:33:36.160 So if you're constantly pursued by multiple men and you're able to deny that, that says

06:33:40.300 a lot about you as a woman.

06:33:43.300 That means you're a dope woman because you could easily just acquiesce to that.

06:33:46.580 And you're like, nah, so that says more about you.

06:33:48.640 A man, he at least acquiring some type of skill by getting these type of women.

06:33:52.100 He has to be a little charming.

06:33:53.520 A little choice, essentially.

06:33:54.300 Yeah, he has to be a little charming.

06:33:55.840 You can't just be any kind of guy and get women.

06:33:57.680 You've got to know how to talk.

06:33:58.660 You've got to know how to dress.

06:33:59.620 You've got to know how to make a laugh.

06:34:00.920 So even though it's not great, like he said, nobody should be promiscuous.

06:34:05.520 But there's a skill set that's learned by men by dealing with multiple women.

06:34:09.600 What are women learning by getting multiple men?

06:34:11.500 Nothing.

06:34:11.920 She's just lowering her value, in my opinion.

06:34:15.140 What if she's like crazy, incredible, and bad?

06:34:18.000 She's had like so many experiences.

06:34:19.420 So she's a porn star.

06:34:20.420 Be that.

06:34:20.800 Yeah.

06:34:21.400 All right, great.

06:34:21.940 But nobody wants to marry that, though.

06:34:24.500 Maybe Adam 22.

06:34:25.900 Huh?

06:34:26.480 Wait.

06:34:27.080 Okay, so a couple things here.

06:34:28.300 So you raised a couple interesting points previously, but like you said, okay, well, what does a woman gain?

06:34:35.500 She will, you know, if she has more sexual experiences, higher body count, she gets better in bed.

06:34:41.360 I mean, my counter to this would be, well, a woman could have like 20 one-night stands with 20 different men, but she only slept with them once, whereas she could have like maybe one, two, three long-term partners.

06:34:53.220 And she's had sex with like all of them a hundred times, and so like I would argue that the woman who's had like sex multiple times with like the same one, two, or three partners is likely to be better sexually than her like more hyper promiscuous.

06:35:09.760 I mean, even if we like pair it off, even if it's like a one-to-one.

06:35:15.240 So here's the scenario.

06:35:16.720 A girl has a boyfriend, and she slept with him a hundred times, and that was her only body, versus a woman who slept with a hundred different men one time each.

06:35:26.080 I'm still kind of prepared to say that the girl with the boyfriend probably still better in bed.

06:35:32.020 And it's a little gray, but in any case, I'm still prepared.

06:35:36.520 Like that's probably not a scenario that's really going to manifest itself as frequently.

06:35:42.940 So what you find in promiscuous women is oftentimes they don't have like prolonged sexual experiences with men.

06:35:49.820 They'll have one-night stands.

06:35:51.340 The man honestly is probably not going to give her any feedback in these situations because he doesn't care, whereas like a boyfriend might try to guide her, might say, oh, this is what I like.

06:35:58.760 This is what I don't like in a promiscuous one-night stand casual encounter.

06:36:04.020 Most people are not going to like actually voice like, oh, hey, I like it when you do this, or I like it when you do that.

06:36:09.940 So I think that's one component there.

06:36:12.800 But then also, even if a woman is bad in bed, I'll just grant you, like you're dating a virgin.

06:36:21.340 One, I don't even think she would be bad in bed.

06:36:23.160 But like if you're the guy in this scenario and you do have experience as the guy, if you know how to lead, you can have good sex with a girl who's had no sexual experience.

06:36:34.720 I don't know if you can say the same thing about like a woman who's like dealing with a new – like do you really want to teach a guy how to fuck you?

06:36:41.600 Probably not.

06:36:42.300 It's going to be a turnoff for most women unless you're more dominant or whatever in the bedroom.

06:36:46.080 But if you're a bit more submissive in the bedroom as a woman and the guy's the leader and most virgin women are probably going to defer to your leadership when it comes to sexual activity because she lacks experience and you know how to lead in the bedroom, I'm pretty sure you can – you just tell her what to do.

06:37:02.400 Here's what I like.

06:37:03.680 I think you're going to have a pretty stellar sexual experience with her despite her being a virgin.

06:37:08.260 And I want to add this real quick.

06:37:09.820 I think the woman having a skill set in sex is an overrated narrative.

06:37:14.380 You ain't got to really do shit.

06:37:15.480 Like men are the ones who really got to do all the work.

06:37:17.940 Like what do you really have to do to have good sex?

06:37:20.240 Yes, dude.

06:37:20.700 Such a good point.

06:37:21.900 A woman just has to be, in my opinion, receptive, a little flexible.

06:37:28.660 Enthusiastic.

06:37:29.440 And just have the right attitude.

06:37:32.300 She don't have to do a lot of shit.

06:37:34.340 You know what I mean?

06:37:34.760 So this good sex, what does that mean?

06:37:36.480 Like good sex means it's wet and you can handle it.

06:37:40.120 You don't have to do nothing.

06:37:41.520 I'm working.

06:37:42.300 I have to really know what I'm doing.

06:37:43.760 I got to really know how to hit your shit.

06:37:45.900 A woman ain't got to do that.

06:37:46.900 That riding shit y'all think y'all doing, we only give a fuck about that shit.

06:37:49.520 Yeah, all that crazy shit.

06:37:50.660 We don't care.

06:37:51.080 That crazy shit.

06:37:52.300 I got something on this though.

06:37:53.600 I 100% agree with you.

06:37:55.080 As long as she's like enthusiastic about it and she's a good sport and she's open-minded,

06:38:00.520 that's all it takes.

06:38:01.220 And receptive.

06:38:01.780 Yeah, and on that note, there is like-

06:38:05.240 Which is better for y'all.

06:38:06.100 You ain't got to do shit.

06:38:06.680 There is, I think, a differential between like what it takes to be good in bed between

06:38:11.980 like a man and a woman.

06:38:14.200 And so I think just the actual, how do I properly articulate this?

06:38:20.340 Like the actual physical act of sex, I think it's typically going to be like, in terms

06:38:26.880 of it being pleasurable for the man versus the woman, I think it's much more like, like

06:38:32.180 actually physically intensive and demanding for the man versus the woman.

06:38:36.740 In terms of like, so for example, okay, I know you probably don't like this, but if

06:38:44.460 the girl is just laying there, or let's say a girl's just in doggy style and she's not

06:38:49.400 moving at all, can you bring yourself to climax?

06:38:51.780 Abso-fucking-lutely.

06:38:53.560 Now, I would argue, because of the difference in orgasm response between men and women, so

06:39:00.780 if we just are, if we are standing up and you put yourself in doggy position and you

06:39:07.760 don't get anything from us, you just get a hard on, and we'll stay hard, we'll stay

06:39:13.120 hard, and we won't like premature ejaculate, whatever the fuck, I don't know where I'm,

06:39:18.320 okay, can, question for you, can you guys bring yourself, you can't use your hands, just

06:39:26.560 through penetrative, just penetrative sex, can you guys bring yourself to climax if the

06:39:34.460 guy's doing nothing?

06:39:36.000 No.

06:39:38.920 Sometimes.

06:39:40.120 Some women can.

06:39:41.200 Some women can.

06:39:42.000 Some women can.

06:39:42.620 A lot can't, though.

06:39:43.420 No, some women, some women can.

06:39:45.160 It depends on the position, I think is the biggest thing.

06:39:47.800 The position is the biggest thing.

06:39:49.500 Okay, I don't know, whatever, uh.

06:39:51.360 Depends on your enthusiasm.

06:39:53.060 To yourself.

06:39:54.440 To yourself.

06:39:54.860 It'd be riding, y'all get off on that, but we hate that shit.

06:39:58.320 Like, riding does nothing for us.

06:39:59.660 Not everyone.

06:40:00.100 Wait, you don't like a girl on top?

06:40:01.520 Listen, let me tell you.

06:40:02.480 Listen, listen, listen.

06:40:04.140 I say it for me.

06:40:05.280 All right, for me.

06:40:05.960 Fuck it.

06:40:06.820 That's my favorite.

06:40:07.780 I mean, dude.

06:40:09.280 That's my favorite.

06:40:09.960 There's two types of riding.

06:40:11.340 You got women who do this fake grind thing where they just folding and bending your shit

06:40:15.540 around.

06:40:16.000 Pending your shit.

06:40:16.840 They think that does something.

06:40:17.980 That does something for them.

06:40:19.020 That don't do shit for me.

06:40:20.180 Now, if you're riding me and you know how to ride, which most women I've met don't know how to

06:40:24.780 do, when you're actually going up and down, I hate to get graphic.

06:40:28.160 But you said we don't have to know how.

06:40:29.940 No, you don't.

06:40:30.800 But I'm talking about in the position that you're, where you're doing the work and you're

06:40:34.340 getting pleased.

06:40:35.160 So that's the riding position.

06:40:36.680 That's the position where the woman does the most work.

06:40:38.820 Right, ladies?

06:40:39.760 That's the position.

06:40:40.700 So in that position, a woman can get pleasure without the man doing anything.

06:40:44.360 So if we're talking about a position that requires no effort from the man, that's the

06:40:47.880 riding position.

06:40:48.660 We're on the same page?

06:40:49.700 Okay.

06:40:50.180 So since we're on that position, that winding, grinding shit they be doing, it does absolutely

06:40:56.080 nothing for a man.

06:40:57.220 Your shit is not supposed to go sideways.

06:40:59.480 But that's what it does.

06:41:00.340 When a woman is grinding and winding on you, your shit is going like this.

06:41:06.740 It's not in one position.

06:41:08.100 What are you talking about?

06:41:10.740 So y'all never grind, y'all never got on, like, come on, man.

06:41:13.680 Well, you only have four bodies.

06:41:14.620 No, you don't have to do anything, remember?

06:41:15.740 So now you're trying to shame me for having a woman.

06:41:18.000 I'm not shaming you, sweetheart.

06:41:19.600 That's exactly what I'm saying.

06:41:22.160 I said you only have four bodies.

06:41:24.000 That means you don't have a lot of experience.

06:41:25.540 But how is that shaming you?

06:41:30.500 But how is that shaming you?

06:41:32.220 I never knocked you for it.

06:41:34.140 Okay, I'm going to let you have it.

06:41:35.300 Because I'm talking about stuff.

06:41:36.620 Hold on, let me, hold on.

06:41:37.840 I'm going to be yelling.

06:41:40.560 You want to have four bodies.

06:41:42.160 So you can't really be in the conversation.

06:41:44.140 You haven't got four bodies.

06:41:45.440 All right, all right.

06:41:45.820 Come on, man.

06:41:46.440 Okay, can I respond with logic and not emotion?

06:41:48.720 We're talking about a position that people who have sex are familiar with because they

06:41:52.700 do it often.

06:41:53.460 What does that mean with four bodies?

06:41:54.420 If you listen, you'll learn something.

06:41:56.100 If you can be quiet.

06:41:57.460 This shit ain't rocket science.

06:41:59.020 Why you still being so defensive?

06:42:00.380 There ain't nothing wrong with happening.

06:42:01.000 You're the one who brought up four bodies.

06:42:02.380 Because it's not a bad thing.

06:42:03.360 You guys should do it.

06:42:03.480 Because you're not.

06:42:04.340 No, we should not.

06:42:05.880 Absolutely.

06:42:06.580 Sweetheart, we Gucci.

06:42:07.940 You don't think this is.

06:42:09.040 Uh-oh.

06:42:09.240 No.

06:42:09.920 You don't like what you see?

06:42:10.840 No, because it's.

06:42:11.580 You don't like what you see?

06:42:12.660 Come on.

06:42:13.440 I don't give a fuck.

06:42:15.760 It's crazy about that.

06:42:16.920 All right.

06:42:17.560 Why are we bringing up people's bodies in a conversation?

06:42:20.700 Because you're not listening to the context.

06:42:22.820 You're just being emotional.

06:42:23.660 The makeup sex.

06:42:24.880 We're not talking about.

06:42:26.020 We're not talking about.

06:42:27.160 We're not saying because you don't have sex, you can't have an opinion.

06:42:30.220 Get out your feelings, sweetheart.

06:42:31.220 I'm not doing that.

06:42:32.160 We're grown.

06:42:32.900 You're here.

06:42:33.280 You're invited here.

06:42:34.040 So you have a great place to talk.

06:42:36.380 What I'm talking about is.

06:42:37.600 Like, I'm not an actor.

06:42:38.500 So I'm not going to have that much to say about acting.

06:42:40.560 That doesn't mean she's demeaning me by saying that.

06:42:42.400 I don't have the experience.

06:42:43.600 Get over yourself.

06:42:44.460 What I'm talking about is.

06:42:45.860 If you're.

06:42:46.300 When you're having sex.

06:42:47.740 I've had sex with multiple women.

06:42:49.200 A lot of women, they like to get on top of you and grind.

06:42:54.660 Women that have sex multiple.

06:42:57.960 Even you.

06:42:58.740 Have you ever.

06:42:59.040 Don't put me in nothing.

06:43:00.120 Okay.

06:43:00.340 Okay.

06:43:00.660 That you got going on.

06:43:02.080 Just put, just say what you gotta say and leave me out of it.

06:43:04.940 Go ahead.

06:43:05.400 Continue.

06:43:06.900 Anyway, when you have sex with a man, women, have you ever got on top of a man and grind

06:43:12.900 it?

06:43:13.280 Started going twirling.

06:43:14.300 Have you grinded on a man when you're riding him?

06:43:17.020 Ladies, yes or no?

06:43:18.260 Have you done that before?

06:43:19.620 I like to, I like the girl to be on top, but I want to do all the work.

06:43:23.420 I'm just saying.

06:43:24.080 Ladies, have y'all done that before?

06:43:25.680 Have you got on top of a man and started grinding on him?

06:43:28.120 As opposed to going up and down.

06:43:29.700 Have you done that before?

06:43:30.380 You do a little bit of both.

06:43:32.160 Have you done it before?

06:43:33.580 Oh, I know what you're talking about.

06:43:35.000 Thank you.

06:43:35.500 I'm not talking rocket science, bruh.

06:43:37.440 I know what he's talking about.

06:43:38.040 But I feel like girls already know that this motion, without it picking up, is not doing

06:43:42.480 anything for you.

06:43:42.920 Yeah, it's not doing something.

06:43:44.040 Okay.

06:43:44.660 So, back to the point.

06:43:46.120 But you brought up a position where she said she can get off without the man.

06:43:51.560 It happens to be a position where we don't feel anything.

06:43:56.380 So, the position that we actually get off on, you do too.

06:43:59.820 But the position that you get off on, only you get off on.

06:44:03.660 So, when I brought up the body count, it wasn't to dismiss her.

06:44:06.760 It's because maybe you didn't have as many experiences, which is a great thing.

06:44:11.540 So, it's not knocking you for that.

06:44:13.060 That's good.

06:44:13.860 You have a level of purity.

06:44:15.340 We don't, because my issue is we don't even need you to have a high skill set to have sex.

06:44:20.040 So, your body count don't even fucking matter for sex to be good from a man's perspective.

06:44:24.060 You just have to be available and willing.

06:44:27.000 And we, most of the time, will do the rest.

06:44:29.600 Okay.

06:44:30.000 What the fuck is so controversial about that?

06:44:31.960 So, what I was, that kind of goes to the point that I was trying to make, though, is that, isn't that kind of reduced?

06:44:39.760 Because, like, when you're dating, you want them to be your life partner.

06:44:43.860 That's the end goal, right?

06:44:44.920 I would say, for most people who are dating, they want, at the end of the day...

06:44:49.180 There's, like, a placeholder girlfriend.

06:44:50.620 Say for later.

06:44:51.260 We're hypothetical.

06:44:52.360 She's right.

06:44:52.860 We're following.

06:44:53.420 Go ahead.

06:44:53.580 Hypothetical, you want it to be your life partner, and you want it to be your best friend.

06:44:58.020 You want to marry your best friend.

06:44:59.280 At least, that's how I feel a lot of people feel.

06:45:01.560 That's how I feel.

06:45:02.320 Sure.

06:45:03.200 That being said, there's such a high, like, pressure of, like, body counts, and I feel like there's this weird, almost, like, fetishized, like, purity thing that you...

06:45:17.300 It's not...

06:45:17.820 Okay, not weird.

06:45:18.460 Sorry.

06:45:18.860 Not...

06:45:19.220 It's valid for you guys.

06:45:19.840 You think it's icky.

06:45:20.640 You think it's icky.

06:45:21.260 No, it's okay.

06:45:21.560 Sorry.

06:45:22.120 Sorry.

06:45:22.280 You know, but for me personally, I feel like, isn't that kind of...

06:45:26.720 Like, can you see the perspective of women when that's kind of reducing them down to, oh, well, I want to be with them versus I don't want to be with them because of, like, this purity?

06:45:39.080 I mean...

06:45:39.380 And you should want them as a person, right?

06:45:41.620 You should fall in love with them as a person.

06:45:43.100 Let me ask you a question.

06:45:43.620 Do you acknowledge that, like, I would argue a majority of women...

06:45:48.260 So, when I say majority, I mean 51% or more.

06:45:51.220 I would argue 51% or more of women would not date a guy if he was shorter than her.

06:46:01.840 Would you agree with that?

06:46:03.460 You think 51%?

06:46:05.180 Yeah, I think a majority of women would not date a man who's shorter than her.

06:46:09.540 Most women prefer to date taller men.

06:46:13.100 I mean...

06:46:13.580 You think that's a fair statement?

06:46:14.980 I don't know.

06:46:15.800 I don't know.

06:46:16.280 I don't...

06:46:16.580 Is that an actual statistic?

06:46:17.760 I mean, it's...

06:46:18.760 No, like...

06:46:19.200 Yes, it's...

06:46:19.580 Like, is that a statistic?

06:46:21.020 It's backed up by findings on dating apps.

06:46:23.260 I want to say, I think it's true.

06:46:24.420 Yeah.

06:46:24.760 Absolutely.

06:46:25.500 I want to say, I dated a short guy for three years, and I got made fun of for it.

06:46:29.220 So, that was my long relationship.

06:46:30.080 I mean, he was shorter than me.

06:46:31.940 Right.

06:46:32.180 But, so, look.

06:46:32.860 But, again.

06:46:33.540 I'm talking about majority here.

06:46:35.080 So, do some women date shorter men?

06:46:37.320 Yes.

06:46:37.560 Do some women not care about height?

06:46:39.040 Absolutely.

06:46:39.660 Yes.

06:46:39.840 Okay.

06:46:40.320 But, so, it's just like, why are women allowed to have, like, XYZ preference?

06:46:45.680 Like, y'all have...

06:46:46.560 And you guys...

06:46:48.060 Also, who's pick your men or women?

06:46:50.900 Women.

06:46:51.380 Women.

06:46:53.020 Who's pick your...

06:46:53.700 It depends.

06:46:54.180 I don't...

06:46:54.540 It depends.

06:46:55.380 It depends.

06:46:56.180 It depends on the individual, but, like, generally speaking...

06:46:57.660 I want to say, but it depends on the situation.

06:46:59.160 Are they dating?

06:46:59.760 Are they just fucking?

06:47:00.700 Or are they...

06:47:00.920 Generally, generally speaking.

06:47:03.380 Who's pick your men or women?

06:47:05.100 Women.

06:47:05.600 Women.

06:47:05.720 Yeah.

06:47:06.580 Maybe.

06:47:06.780 Okay.

06:47:07.200 So, women have XYZ standard, XYZ preference, XYZ boundary.

06:47:12.780 And so, it's...

06:47:14.420 That's what's confusing to me.

06:47:15.740 Like, you're saying, well, why is this small little...

06:47:17.840 Actually, your past promiscuity is, like, really important.

06:47:21.060 And it's when, like, men don't really ask for much.

06:47:23.320 But, like, the things we do care about tend to, like, matter a whole bunch.

06:47:27.100 So, I don't understand, like, why you're trying to diminish, like, a male preference when it comes to dating.

06:47:33.540 Like, yeah, I think your promiscuity...

06:47:36.300 And I can get into some of the reasons why, but I think it's actually super important.

06:47:41.440 Okay.

06:47:42.540 I'm not trying to diminish it as your preference, personally.

06:47:48.240 I guess I am concerned with why so many men...

06:47:52.740 Like, it's, like, an epidemic of men.

06:47:55.920 And it's...

06:47:56.160 Yeah, I'll answer it.

06:47:57.120 And also, it's not that someone prefers...

06:47:59.880 Like, you guys stated plenty of good reasons why you would value someone who has a lower body count.

06:48:07.800 But what I'm talking about is the fetishizing of, like...

06:48:15.440 It's almost, like, innocence.

06:48:16.780 Like, I guess the reason why I feel like it gives me an ick, and, you know, I've talked a lot with my other girlfriends about this,

06:48:22.800 is because it gives this illusion that you're a child, almost.

06:48:28.200 Like, you've had so little...

06:48:30.080 Oh, thank you for that, bro.

06:48:30.580 You've had so little, like, experiences that, like, it almost gives you an ick if a guy is turned on by that.

06:48:36.160 And that's what, like, me and some of my girlfriends' experiences are of, like, what we view when a guy says that.

06:48:42.040 So, I guess...

06:48:42.720 Just so I'm clear, are you having trouble comprehending an adult woman staying a virgin past the age of 18?

06:48:47.500 No, I'm not, I'm not, I have no, like, issue with that.

06:48:53.000 Let me ask you a question.

06:48:53.580 It's more the guy's perspective of, like, why that's so...

06:48:56.180 But you're trying to pathologize, like, sort of an innate evolutionary and biological preference of men.

06:49:03.240 Also, it actually makes sense intellectually, if you think about it.

06:49:06.740 But let me ask you a question.

06:49:10.000 What do you object to more?

06:49:11.220 A man who is, who's 30, who dates a 30-year-old virgin, because you think this is reminiscent of, like, a woman being a child, or a man who's 30, who dates an 18-year-old?

06:49:24.460 What's more objectionable to you?

06:49:27.080 A 30, wait, a 30-year-old man who dates a 30-year-old?

06:49:30.660 A 30-year-old man who dates a 30-year-old woman who's a virgin versus a 30-year-old man who dates an 18-year-old, I should have added this, dates an 18-year-old who's slept with 10 men.

06:49:40.980 What's more objectionable to you?

06:49:42.820 I would say, is he dating the 30-year-old because he genuinely likes her as a person?

06:49:50.200 He likes both of them as a person.

06:49:51.420 Okay, but what I'm saying is, would he date the 30-year-old over that because of the body count?

06:49:57.440 That's when I feel like it becomes, like, a weird situation.

06:50:01.000 But I still feel like if he slept with the 18-year-old, that is weird to me.

06:50:04.500 Well, we can get into the age gap stuff here in a bit, but...

06:50:07.180 Yeah, I can.

06:50:07.660 Uh, so hold on.

06:50:09.960 More, it's more objectionable?

06:50:12.400 I don't, I think it just, it's, it, it seems like infantizing, I guess.

06:50:18.020 Like, infant, infant?

06:50:19.940 No, I know what you're saying.

06:50:20.780 You know what I'm trying to say.

06:50:22.040 Infantilizing.

06:50:22.680 Yes, that word.

06:50:23.820 But you acknowledge that there are women in their, like, mid to late 20s who are virgins.

06:50:28.160 Yes, but, yes, but are they staying virgins because of the same reason that guys are wanting virgins?

06:50:33.240 I guess it's the motivation.

06:50:35.280 What motivation?

06:50:35.940 Is different.

06:50:36.560 I think you're thinking for us.

06:50:38.340 Because we're telling you why men want it.

06:50:39.660 It has nothing to do with keeping you as a child.

06:50:41.620 It's just that there's a psychological aspect to women dealing with multiple men.

06:50:46.880 We don't want to deal with that.

06:50:48.580 We're not trying to control the fact that you've been with another guy and we're jealous.

06:50:51.960 No, there's mental effects to women who've been with multiple men.

06:50:55.640 It's not about we want you to be like a child.

06:50:57.960 We're telling you right now what it is.

06:50:59.760 It's the mental side effect of her inability to pair bond after a certain time.

06:51:05.360 Are there women, I'm sorry, are there women that are more evolved mentally who can thwart that?

06:51:11.220 Absolutely.

06:51:12.100 Are they the majority?

06:51:13.420 No.

06:51:14.320 We have a chat here coming in.

06:51:15.880 Oh, boy.

06:51:16.340 Okay.

06:51:17.700 These girls have had so much love sausage that their vagine and arseholes are combined.

06:51:24.740 And what the fuck?

06:51:25.920 Just blank faces reminiscing about one day.

06:51:28.340 What the fuck?

06:51:29.100 Oh, come on, Doc.

06:51:30.320 I can't read that part.

06:51:31.800 Thank you.

06:51:32.340 Thank you, Hunter Biden.

06:51:33.680 That's great.

06:51:34.220 Hunter Biden.

06:51:34.780 Appreciate it.

06:51:35.580 To add on to what he says, I said I was going to get into it, but I didn't.

06:51:40.080 So when it comes to why men care about body count, there's quite a few different reasons.

06:51:46.240 One is the STD component, right?

06:51:48.220 And this is actually something that's ingrained in both men and women.

06:51:50.960 And so, like, obviously, we want to avoid, like, something that could negatively impact

06:51:56.100 our health.

06:51:56.520 There's obviously, in addition to that, there's an intellectual level here when it comes to

06:52:00.980 STDs.

06:52:01.680 There's a social stigma that's attached to this.

06:52:03.760 It's going to be harder to probably find it.

06:52:05.360 Like, imagine if you have to, like, disclose.

06:52:06.840 By the way, if somebody, you have to disclose you have herpes to, like, are they going to walk

06:52:11.820 away from you at that point?

06:52:12.680 Yeah, you're going to have a more difficult time, like, securing a partner because of this.

06:52:16.380 So, like, the STD component is a big thing.

06:52:18.680 That's on the intellectual level.

06:52:19.960 But on the evolutionary level, this is something that exists in men that doesn't exist in women.

06:52:24.020 And here's why.

06:52:25.140 So, well, there's a couple things.

06:52:28.180 So, as a woman, it comes down to, I don't know if you've heard this term, paternity uncertainty.

06:52:34.540 So, as a woman, if you have a child, like, you birth a child, there's no doubt that the

06:52:41.020 child is yours.

06:52:42.600 Like, there's no, oh, my husband cheated on me.

06:52:46.940 No, like, whoever put it, like, it's your kid, no matter what, whoever you sleep with.

06:52:52.800 As a man, since you guys are the ones who give birth, there's no way for us to know if

06:52:58.460 the child is ours.

06:53:00.400 And so, and you might say, well, okay, there's DNA tests.

06:53:02.940 Yeah, but that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution where DNA tests were not

06:53:08.500 available.

06:53:08.860 So, a woman who sleeps with another man, and let's assume that we sleep with the same

06:53:16.180 woman at the same time.

06:53:17.520 You go back, I don't know, 70 years, and say a woman sleeps with three men at the same

06:53:24.360 time.

06:53:24.580 They all, um, you know what I'm saying.

06:53:33.160 Nope.

06:53:34.100 No way to tell who the father is.

06:53:35.960 And then, so it comes down to, like, okay, am I going to get tricked into raising a child

06:53:41.820 that's not mine?

06:53:42.660 Am I going to invest my resources to raise a child?

06:53:45.720 Because there's, uh, the, the gene is selfish.

06:53:48.780 We want to, uh, we want to, uh, survive and replicate.

06:53:53.580 We want to be able to have children, have offspring.

06:53:56.640 And so, like, it is one of the biggest L's a guy can take in his life to raise a child

06:54:05.560 that he thinks is his, but isn't.

06:54:07.960 So, men have, like, a massive disgust response.

06:54:12.380 Women have it too, but, like, to a lesser degree, men have a huge disgust response when

06:54:16.520 it comes to promiscuity in women because of this one thing.

06:54:19.560 And it's just evolutionary.

06:54:21.060 I know there's DNA tests, but it doesn't, like, for example, when it comes to, uh, who

06:54:27.120 here has, like, has anxiety or has a panic attack, right?

06:54:31.000 So, like, we have, you can go see a psychologist and they can explain to you, oh, this is fight

06:54:37.500 or flight response.

06:54:39.020 Um, they can actually, like, they can prescribe you medication.

06:54:42.620 Uh, they can explain to you, oh, there's not actually, like, a tiger that's about to kill

06:54:46.460 you, but you still get that adrenaline dump and then you're, you're having, like, a panic

06:54:52.860 attack or, like, anxiety.

06:54:54.480 So, even having an intellectual understanding of why you're, like, having an anxiety, it

06:55:00.100 can actually help a little bit when it comes to anxiety, like, if you understand what's

06:55:03.860 going on, but, like, it doesn't necessarily prevent people who suffer from, like, anxiety

06:55:08.200 disorder or panic attack disorder.

06:55:09.920 It doesn't necessarily, like, oh, I can intellectualize why I'm having the panic attack.

06:55:14.220 My panic attack disorder is now solved.

06:55:16.800 It's that typically, for some people, that can resolve their, uh, the disorder for most.

06:55:21.060 They're going to need further intervention, uh, other sorts of things.

06:55:24.580 But so, because of this, if a woman fucks a bunch of other dudes, we can't determine who

06:55:31.940 the father is.

06:55:32.980 Massive L for a guy.

06:55:35.220 Here's an example, right?

06:55:36.520 Let's say, and this is why there's a bit of a different judgment when it comes to promiscuity

06:55:40.160 between men and women.

06:55:41.000 And so, a woman, let's say this is, you go back a hundred years, right?

06:55:46.000 A woman who has ten husbands, and they're all sleeping with her at the same time, right?

06:55:51.440 Who's the father?

06:55:53.060 You don't know.

06:55:54.180 Like, there's no way to know.

06:55:55.300 Who's the actual father?

06:55:56.000 Whereas, a man who has ten wives, and they're all loyal to him.

06:56:00.840 And, we got to understand that double standards exist.

06:56:13.220 For example, we both can earn money, but I'm expected to be a little more established than

06:56:20.180 the woman.

06:56:20.760 Is it fair?

06:56:21.660 Can we make the argument that men are, we have feelings too?

06:56:24.780 And, yeah.

06:56:25.320 But, the truth is, this is what it is.

06:56:27.840 It's not fair, but we have double standards.

06:56:30.040 Ours are economic, yours are physical.

06:56:32.600 That's life.

06:56:33.700 It's unfortunate, too, because then it causes, you know, men to abandon their families when

06:56:37.860 they have multiple wives and kids, and that's a huge problem.

06:56:41.920 Oh, well, I'm not in favor of polygamy.

06:56:44.380 I'm not in favor of polygamy, but.

06:56:46.340 No, like, what you said earlier about, like, the, like, STDs, that, to me, makes perfect

06:56:53.180 sense, and I understand why someone would want that from that perspective.

06:56:58.040 And, I am listening to your second point, and I understand, like, you know, that's where

06:57:06.380 you're coming from.

06:57:07.420 That being said, with so many men still being promiscuous when they're younger, and then

06:57:12.880 having that double standard that we've acknowledged, is it kind of unrealistic, I suppose, to think

06:57:21.300 that every guy out there should have a girl that has a super, super low body count, though,

06:57:26.840 because if guys are going out and having sex with these girls to get their experience,

06:57:31.320 then where are the girls going to be?

06:57:33.700 They're giving them the number.

06:57:34.680 Yeah, again, where are these girls?

06:57:36.700 So, I actually agree with you here.

06:57:38.940 I 100% agree with you.

06:57:42.440 There's not enough low body count women to probably go around, if that's kind of what you're saying.

06:57:49.060 Yeah, so, like, some men are going to, like, after, they're going to have to settle.

06:57:54.000 Actually, well, I mean, I don't know if they would settle on this.

06:57:56.980 Well, there's also some men who don't care.

06:57:58.900 Some men don't care.

06:57:59.840 A lot of men don't care.

06:58:02.080 Mine does not.

06:58:05.100 I'm not sure about that.

06:58:06.300 You should have a conversation with him.

06:58:07.720 Like, ask him.

06:58:08.600 You should ask him, hey, babe, hey, Barth, follow me.

06:58:10.660 Yeah, hey, Barth, follow me.

06:58:12.300 You know what, though?

06:58:13.280 I think men will lie about this for a couple reasons.

06:58:17.140 One, he's already in a relationship with you.

06:58:19.760 Two, like, sometimes it's hard to, like, once you're in a situation, can you get out of it?

06:58:24.160 But I think that, and if he's trying to get you, and you reveal, like, and he's trying to sleep with you,

06:58:29.860 most men are not going to be like, oh.

06:58:32.840 I mean, some men will, it'll be a deal breaker for.

06:58:37.220 But, like, a lot of men, they're not going to pass up the chance for sex.

06:58:39.760 So, they'll just, like, oh, whatever.

06:58:40.920 Oh, wait, I had something really, oh, you should try this with your boyfriend.

06:58:45.600 Be like, would you prefer, because you brought up, like, oh, be better in bed, right?

06:58:50.760 Yeah.

06:58:51.280 You should ask him, like, so you would prefer me if I had fucked 30 other, 30 additional guys, right?

06:58:57.660 So, it's funny that you actually mentioned that.

06:58:59.480 We've had this conversation.

06:59:00.920 Oh, no.

06:59:01.220 Yes, he did say that he would have preferred if I had more, if I had, well, he didn't say it like it was a bad thing.

06:59:09.220 But, you know, when, you know, obviously, my number is four.

06:59:12.420 When we got together, it was three, you know?

06:59:14.180 So, he knew that going in.

06:59:15.520 Okay.

06:59:15.960 And when we had sex for the first time, he was like, can you, like, like, it was bothersome for him.

06:59:24.500 And that was the first time, because previously.

06:59:26.900 Wait, can you be even more specific?

06:59:28.000 Like, it was a position or something.

06:59:29.660 Like, like.

06:59:30.540 Like, arch your back better, I don't know.

06:59:32.000 No, so, like, the very.

06:59:33.080 Some girls be, like, rounded and shit.

06:59:34.620 No, so, like, the first three guys that I was with, it was, you know, like, it was, like, you know, they didn't give me feedback.

06:59:43.460 They were, like, oh, my God, you're so amazing.

06:59:44.820 You're great.

06:59:45.340 And then I got to him.

06:59:46.840 Yeah.

06:59:47.200 And he was, like, you've had sex before.

06:59:50.920 Like, it was almost like he was, like, it was, like, you're so bad at it.

06:59:54.620 Holy.

06:59:55.280 Like, not bad, but it was just, you know, like, it was, you know, when.

06:59:59.340 And it, it, he.

07:00:00.640 You just didn't know yet.

07:00:01.560 Yeah, I just didn't know yet.

07:00:02.800 You know, like, there's no shame in that.

07:00:04.880 And.

07:00:05.080 I would never say that.

07:00:06.120 He didn't say it in a mean way.

07:00:07.820 Okay, sure.

07:00:08.300 He didn't say it in a mean way.

07:00:09.940 But.

07:00:10.040 Okay, how did he say it then?

07:00:11.360 He was, like, can you, like, please just talk.

07:00:14.920 Like, put my, like, wrap my head up.

07:00:17.460 He was, like, we can, we can, like, let's just kiss.

07:00:19.740 Um, so it was, like, you know.

07:00:22.440 Well, I mean, that's a little different than how you originally painted it, but.

07:00:25.040 Like, like, he, he was, he felt like, I think, he, I think that it was a little bit more bothersome

07:00:34.020 because he had, had a more sexual experience that, like, significantly he did a lot of partying,

07:00:39.920 raves, stuff like that.

07:00:40.760 And so I think he had, like, a certain standard of, like, what sex was supposed to be.

07:00:45.240 And then.

07:00:46.360 Can I ask you one quick question?

07:00:47.740 Um, how long did you wait before hooking up with him?

07:00:52.140 Him?

07:00:52.500 So, it, I actually do agree with your point that, like, you know right away.

07:00:57.220 Like, I, my, like, every single time.

07:01:00.020 I'm not judging you.

07:01:00.300 I'm just.

07:01:00.600 Yeah, every, every single time that I have, like, had a romantic partner, it's been, like,

07:01:06.760 I know from the get-go, like, it's him or it's nothing type of situation.

07:01:09.880 So it's, like, first, second, third date typically.

07:01:12.000 Yeah, something like that.

07:01:13.020 Sure.

07:01:13.140 Yeah.

07:01:13.580 Okay.

07:01:13.980 Yeah.

07:01:14.160 All right.

07:01:14.680 So this started out casually, your relationship with him?

07:01:16.940 Yeah.

07:01:17.280 It, it's, it, well, I mean, like, he came in to my, to my, the restaurant I was working

07:01:21.820 in and he asked for my number and, like, we went on a date.

07:01:24.120 Everything was great.

07:01:25.260 We went on a couple dates and I just, I don't know, like, I just knew from, like, the moment

07:01:29.320 that it was, like, it was going to be, like, him.

07:01:31.400 Who's that girl from Clueless?

07:01:33.920 Uh, Alicia Silverstone.

07:01:35.260 You look a little bit like her.

07:01:36.820 I don't know.

07:01:37.360 That's just starting to be in the remake.

07:01:38.720 A little bit.

07:01:39.460 Um, wait.

07:01:40.000 So, okay.

07:01:40.300 Okay.

07:01:40.740 So your boyfriend gave you a hard time.

07:01:44.220 A little bit of a hard time.

07:01:45.960 Yeah.

07:01:46.360 And, so, but, so you had the conversation.

07:01:48.960 We did.

07:01:49.360 And he said, I would have preferred a couple other dicks had been inside of you.

07:01:55.240 Really?

07:01:55.600 He didn't verb, he didn't say it exactly like that, but, well, he, he said, he, he didn't

07:02:00.860 say, I, I wished a couple more dicks were inside of you.

07:02:03.080 He said, he said, he said something along the lines of, like, you know, um, what, what

07:02:10.460 exactly did he say?

07:02:11.980 I, I said, like, oh, you don't, like, I, I was feeling a little insecure because of some

07:02:15.800 of the comments, you know, like, I was, like, in my head a little bit and I was like, you

07:02:19.640 know, like, it, would you have preferred, you know, like, or like, or would you judge

07:02:24.440 me if I had more?

07:02:26.080 Like, like, like before we had the conversation.

07:02:30.120 The story keeps changing here.

07:02:31.360 I feel like.

07:02:31.640 Okay.

07:02:31.720 So, like, I said essentially, like, would it be, would have, would it have been better

07:02:38.220 if I had more or would you, if that was the case, would you then have judged me?

07:02:43.120 Like, I was asking if it was a double-edged sword kind of thing.

07:02:45.640 Like, is like, are you happy or like, would you never be happy in this situation?

07:02:50.360 Well, and he, and he was like, he was like, I don't care about your, your, your body count.

07:02:56.840 He was like, you know, like it was, it was kind of a conversation that we had where it

07:03:00.240 was like moving past this like idea that he didn't want like a pure virgin basically.

07:03:07.520 Like he didn't want he, that's not what he wanted.

07:03:09.780 And that was the first time that I had heard that out of a guy.

07:03:12.460 And I guess in my head for my ethics and my standards, that's when I knew like he was

07:03:16.980 the one, but I did also recognize.

07:03:19.080 Wait, hold on.

07:03:21.120 I sound familiar.

07:03:22.360 Wait, wait, wait.

07:03:23.600 Hold on.

07:03:24.580 Hold on.

07:03:25.240 Wait, there's so many things here.

07:03:26.960 Hold on.

07:03:27.200 There's so much in fact.

07:03:28.900 He's like very feminist.

07:03:31.300 Did he vote for Kamala?

07:03:33.280 Of course he did.

07:03:34.020 Yeah.

07:03:34.160 Um, the point when you knew he was the one was when he said, you're bad in bed.

07:03:40.300 I wished you fucked more guys.

07:03:43.540 Am I, is anybody else hearing the same?

07:03:45.800 It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't that it was that it was more of for the first time in like

07:03:51.720 my dating life, there wasn't someone who was trying to like equate myself worth to, to a

07:03:59.640 number, I guess.

07:04:01.320 So it was really refreshing, but what I didn't, it still be equating to a number because instead

07:04:05.300 of him wanting your body count to be low, he wants it to be high, which is still a number

07:04:09.520 like he wants.

07:04:10.940 Oh, you didn't fuck 30 dudes before me.

07:04:13.040 I guess.

07:04:13.360 Okay.

07:04:13.560 Okay.

07:04:13.840 I guess it's cause I, it's still the same thing.

07:04:15.640 I come from a Southern Baptist background and like previous to him, all of, all of the,

07:04:20.540 all of the guys that I was dating.

07:04:21.620 Do your parents approve of him?

07:04:22.840 Oh, they, they, yeah.

07:04:24.360 Wait, really?

07:04:25.060 Yeah.

07:04:25.300 Are your parents conservative?

07:04:27.600 So my parents used to be a lot more religious when I was growing up.

07:04:31.200 Like when I was growing up, things were incredibly different, mostly because of the church that

07:04:37.720 we were in.

07:04:38.460 And it was kind of like a cult, if I'm being quite honest.

07:04:41.280 Now that my parents are older, they're like, they're still very religious.

07:04:45.280 Sure.

07:04:45.740 But they, who did they vote for?

07:04:47.840 My, my parents voted a Democrat.

07:04:50.580 Oh yeah.

07:04:51.320 Because my, my parents viewpoint on religion, and this is also like my viewpoint on religion

07:04:58.080 still is that how you hold religion is like within you and that's your own like truth.

07:05:04.800 And that's, that's for you and it's not for anyone else.

07:05:07.200 And no two people will believe the, like we'll read a scripture and interpret it the same

07:05:12.500 way.

07:05:12.800 And so my parents, I feel like kind of view a lot of modern day Christian churches, like

07:05:18.220 those mega churches and stuff like that to be like just a modern day interpretation

07:05:22.100 of the Pharisees.

07:05:24.020 So.

07:05:24.620 Sure.

07:05:25.140 Um, wait, so, okay.

07:05:25.860 Going back to your boyfriend.

07:05:27.940 Um.

07:05:28.380 I'm like, I hope my parents are watching this again.

07:05:29.480 Wait, hold on.

07:05:30.540 The, wait, wait, wait.

07:05:31.980 I had something on this.

07:05:33.760 Uh, your boyfriend.

07:05:39.640 He, he won.

07:05:41.120 So he, he was.

07:05:42.520 He, he, I, he.

07:05:44.100 Wait, oh no, no, no.

07:05:44.860 Okay.

07:05:45.120 I have it.

07:05:45.520 I, so, okay, you said it was the first time in your life that you ever heard a man say

07:05:51.620 that he preferred, he would have preferred you less pure, right?

07:05:57.020 Yeah.

07:05:57.220 Wouldn't this just support our position if it was the first time in your life that you

07:06:02.560 heard this from a man, that this is a standard that men have for women?

07:06:07.120 Well, because also like where I grew up, maybe like the guys that I was dating were all involved

07:06:11.760 in our church.

07:06:12.440 Oh yeah, you're in LA.

07:06:12.960 LA's like totally degenerate.

07:06:14.620 No, no.

07:06:15.460 Like I grew up in Tucson, Arizona.

07:06:17.480 No, but you live in LA now, right?

07:06:18.760 Yeah.

07:06:18.940 But I didn't.

07:06:19.540 Yeah.

07:06:19.820 Yeah.

07:06:20.160 LA's totally degen.

07:06:22.240 And anyway, it was just refreshing to not be equated to, oh, is she going to be a good

07:06:28.640 wife?

07:06:29.080 Is she going to be a good mom to kids?

07:06:30.940 Like, like, like, like, like, like, it, it was a refreshing take for me to hear that

07:06:37.860 he was more interested in talking about like, I don't know, philosophy at 3am than asking

07:06:46.700 me, you know, what I bring to the table or if like, you know, I want to have kids, do

07:06:53.820 they have to be biological?

07:06:55.120 Because, you know, that's a big thing for a lot of men is that they want biological kids.

07:06:58.640 It was like this kind of like purity standard of like a perfect little Southern Baptist

07:07:03.820 housewife and like what I was raised to, you know, like kind of be.

07:07:07.840 What's the opposite of pure?

07:07:10.260 Well, that's what I'm saying is like, I don't really believe in this like pureness, I guess.

07:07:14.740 But like, what's the opposite of pure, dirty, unclean?

07:07:18.480 I suppose.

07:07:19.520 Do you think the world should be pure or unclean?

07:07:22.240 I feel like pure is very, um, like subjective.

07:07:29.780 It's subjective what someone uses as pure.

07:07:30.820 Yeah, what about the oceans?

07:07:31.840 Should the oceans be pure or unclean?

07:07:34.120 They should be clean, but like.

07:07:35.620 So they should be pure.

07:07:36.820 Well, pure is pure of what?

07:07:39.940 Impurities?

07:07:40.380 Well, I mean contaminants.

07:07:41.780 Uh, there's, uh, you know, I mean with the ocean, this is specifically environmental obviously.

07:07:49.260 So yeah, contaminants.

07:07:50.700 I suppose what I was trying to say with.

07:07:54.280 But what is so appealing to you about, um, a man who prefers a woman who is unpure as opposed

07:08:01.320 to pure?

07:08:01.800 I think it was just refreshing to hear him say that.

07:08:05.460 Like it was just refreshing to have someone say that to me was the first like intrigue.

07:08:10.240 That's when you knew he was the one.

07:08:11.980 Well, I, when I say like the one, I was like, he was like different.

07:08:15.080 He was just so different than every other guy that I had dated, which had all been very

07:08:19.600 religious, either like Catholic or like part of our church, like very like Christian.

07:08:24.080 And so for me, it was refreshing to hear that in the, in, first of all, second of all, it

07:08:30.800 kind of like gave me like this kind of like, like, like light bulb moment where I was like,

07:08:35.680 oh, so like not every guy views it that, that way.

07:08:40.300 And if that is the case, then I guess I'm then became like very interested in why certain

07:08:46.720 men view chastity and things like that.

07:08:49.960 And I asked him and he was like, honestly, I have no fucking idea.

07:08:52.380 And I was like, that's not a great answer.

07:08:53.840 Thanks, Dave.

07:08:54.240 I want to, I want to, I want to ask the other panelists here.

07:08:58.120 Do you think like of the, the men, like men in general, do you think that most men,

07:09:06.420 wait, who else is in a relationship?

07:09:08.140 You're in a relationship, right?

07:09:10.320 Um, I think it's just you two who are in relationships.

07:09:13.200 Like you've got to, and you've been in a relationship for three years, right?

07:09:16.860 Um, do you think your boyfriend would genuinely like preferred, like if you were to ask him,

07:09:21.080 uh, would you like me more if I had fucked more men before you?

07:09:25.360 Do you think like, what do you think?

07:09:27.160 Well, yeah, my situation's not the same.

07:09:29.460 No, I know.

07:09:29.740 But like, what do you think?

07:09:31.200 Do you think he would like you more if you had slept with more men before him?

07:09:35.340 No, because I'm a lot younger than him also.

07:09:38.080 So, well, sure.

07:09:39.120 So in general, no, because that would be really weird with the age gap.

07:09:44.020 And then if I had that on top of it, that would be really bad.

07:09:46.880 So no.

07:09:47.940 Well, but so look, at least my thoughts on this, there's, there, there are DGN men out there.

07:09:53.020 Um, but my thoughts on this is that like most men, most men are not going to be like, yeah,

07:10:02.580 I really wish my girlfriend fucked more men before she met me.

07:10:06.440 Well, like wording it like that, but that's, yeah.

07:10:11.260 That's the gist of it.

07:10:11.900 Yeah.

07:10:12.720 But so you said, but you said you actually had the conversation.

07:10:16.000 We did.

07:10:16.240 We did have the conversation.

07:10:17.500 The conversation was what?

07:10:20.400 He didn't say like, oh, I wish you would have had more dicks.

07:10:23.120 He wasn't that like, you know, he wasn't vulgar.

07:10:25.340 He wasn't vulgar.

07:10:26.120 But he said like, was this an actual, like it, it was overtly expressed like, Hey, you

07:10:33.720 were just not sexually experienced.

07:10:35.940 I wish you had more sexually experienced, sexual experience.

07:10:38.440 Yeah.

07:10:38.600 He was, he, yeah.

07:10:39.600 He was like, you know, you're just not like as sexually experienced as I am.

07:10:43.320 Because I think at one point I did, uh, one of the times that we're having sex, I did

07:10:47.440 start crying because I just like felt so bad about the situation.

07:10:51.300 And he was like, you know, it's okay.

07:10:53.160 Your boyfriend made you cry.

07:10:54.860 He didn't make me cry.

07:10:56.160 He made you cry.

07:10:56.720 I made myself cry about it.

07:10:59.060 No, he made you cry.

07:10:59.980 No, like I made myself cry about it.

07:11:01.920 If he was, if he was like speaking, I'm pretty, I mean, look, I.

07:11:06.840 But he, no, he was very sweet about it.

07:11:09.440 He was, he, he wasn't like vulgar.

07:11:11.260 He wasn't like, you know, bad at all about the situation.

07:11:14.380 He was like, you know, very sweet.

07:11:15.980 He, he, you know, hugged me.

07:11:17.600 He was like, it's okay.

07:11:18.360 You know, he was like, you just don't have like as much experience.

07:11:20.840 And like, this was like when we were first dating sex.

07:11:22.620 You suck at sex.

07:11:24.440 You're terrible.

07:11:25.720 And he was like, you know, he was like, I have more experience than you.

07:11:28.820 And that's why it's, it's, you know, like it is what it is.

07:11:32.420 No, but like.

07:11:34.300 And he was like, you know, it, he, he didn't make me feel inherently bad about it, but he

07:11:39.920 did say, you know, like all the other girls that I had been with have obviously had X,

07:11:44.040 Y, Z more experience.

07:11:45.140 It's such an L for, okay.

07:11:46.760 But so, uh, I guess question for you though.

07:11:49.340 So like even granting, he was like, he, he wished you were better in bed.

07:11:54.140 Are you saying that he would have made the trade-off of you?

07:11:58.380 He would have made the trade-off of he gets you more sexually, like you better in bed.

07:12:03.960 But the entailment of that is you have an additional like 10 sexual partners.

07:12:08.260 Is that a trade-off?

07:12:09.300 Is that what you're saying?

07:12:11.020 And is that what?

07:12:11.820 Okay.

07:12:12.180 So because like a guy, you can, as a guy, you can be like, oh, okay.

07:12:18.000 She's not great in bed.

07:12:20.240 But the thought would never cross my mind.

07:12:22.820 Like my, the thought that would cross my mind in this situation is like, okay, how can I

07:12:27.820 tell her what I like?

07:12:28.720 How can I give her like tips in a positive way?

07:12:31.840 And like try to be supportive and whatever, uh, it would never be, oh man, fuck this bitch.

07:12:38.600 I wish she, she fucked like 10 other dudes.

07:12:40.820 So I wouldn't have to deal with this.

07:12:42.480 So I guess the question is, is the entailment that he was dissatisfied with your sexual skill

07:12:49.560 is the entailment he would, the trade-off of if he could have gotten you more sexually

07:12:56.680 skilled, he would have happily had you had sex with more men prior to him.

07:13:03.180 I, I don't think at this point he cares, but maybe at that point, I think it was maybe

07:13:10.140 bothersome for him.

07:13:11.920 And I, to the point he wished that you fucked up more men prior to him.

07:13:17.520 Now I feel like he would have a different answer than when we first got together.

07:13:21.660 If that makes sense.

07:13:22.780 Like now I think he's, he would be fine with it.

07:13:24.620 Cause we have made like it out, but like in the beginning it was like, you know, rough.

07:13:29.360 So maybe.

07:13:30.480 I mean, like it's so, what I don't understand is like, you have to really be fucking up as

07:13:36.620 a girl to like be bad in bed.

07:13:38.980 Like you gotta fuck up.

07:13:41.420 You gotta be trying to do shit to like be bad in bed.

07:13:45.940 Okay.

07:13:46.560 But we've talked about preferences, right?

07:13:48.220 Just doggy style arch your back.

07:13:49.520 You're good.

07:13:50.260 Okay.

07:13:50.620 That's it.

07:13:51.200 But we've talked about preferences.

07:13:52.240 You said that you love it when girls ride you.

07:13:54.340 And he said that he hates, he doesn't like it when girls ride him.

07:13:57.320 The grind ride.

07:13:57.780 Yeah.

07:13:58.780 I don't like.

07:13:59.200 The hot.

07:13:59.720 You go with the hot.

07:14:00.300 Not the grind.

07:14:00.880 Okay.

07:14:01.100 Here's the thing.

07:14:01.740 If she's going like, I don't like the jackhammer.

07:14:05.500 Like the, I don't like the jackhammer.

07:14:07.820 Wait.

07:14:08.380 What's the jackhammer?

07:14:09.100 Like the jackhammer is like.

07:14:09.980 Like speed.

07:14:10.720 Got it.

07:14:11.420 Got it.

07:14:11.800 I don't like it.

07:14:12.340 Okay.

07:14:12.400 Okay.

07:14:12.960 I'm more of a gentle.

07:14:14.480 I prefer a, you know, guys, I prefer more gentle sex.

07:14:17.780 You know?

07:14:18.700 Like I don't like, I don't want the girl like.

07:14:21.380 Okay.

07:14:21.820 And I don't want to.

07:14:22.820 This might be TMI.

07:14:23.980 But what you said you dislike is like the exact thing that Bartholomew will call him that.

07:14:30.180 Bartholomew, yes.

07:14:30.640 He loves that shit.

07:14:31.760 So it's like, I feel like every guy is different in like what they want in sex and a relationship

07:14:39.580 and all of these things.

07:14:40.640 But if we're pushing, I guess what I was in a roundabout, this is a very long way to get

07:14:45.000 to this, is like if we're pushing like a narrative of like guys and girls need to be a certain

07:14:50.320 way, like is anyone ever going to be happy and truly fulfilled in a relationship?

07:14:55.760 Like a normal person who's, you know, like, like not, I guess, just like a, just someone

07:15:04.460 like not, not, I don't know.

07:15:06.320 Just is the expectation maybe too high?

07:15:09.980 That is a good question.

07:15:11.180 We do have some chats coming.

07:15:12.800 We got to try to get through this.

07:15:14.400 Graffito tax donated $200.

07:15:16.180 Graffito, sorry for the delay on this.

07:15:17.900 I apologize.

07:15:18.520 It's gross when your body counts are high because when you have sex, a man is entering your body

07:15:23.260 literally and metaphorically, a dishonorable man can besmirch and corrupt you from the

07:15:28.700 inside out.

07:15:30.480 Graffito, sorry for the delay on this.

07:15:32.280 I, I'm very sorry.

07:15:33.520 Uh, that did come through from Graffito.

07:15:35.580 We have a couple other ones coming in.

07:15:39.540 Uh, uh, no.

07:15:43.280 Okay, I can't pull that one up, bro.

07:15:44.820 You can, I'll send a refund or whatever.

07:15:47.040 Uh, oh, wait, it's, uh, Giovanni, I realized I loved my boyfriend when he told me he

07:15:53.240 wished I banged more dudes that only came, that only came up because she didn't make

07:15:58.560 his pee-pee feel a certain way.

07:16:00.040 She literally loves Coomer porn brain pathetic.

07:16:05.180 Do you, do you have a response to that?

07:16:06.320 What does that even mean?

07:16:07.440 Sorry.

07:16:08.080 No, what I meant is, you know, first of all, when all of this happened, it was like the

07:16:12.560 first two times we had sex.

07:16:14.060 After that, everything was, was great.

07:16:16.680 You know, we got experience down, everything was fine, but it was the first few times that

07:16:21.540 we had sex, so it wasn't an ongoing thing.

07:16:23.800 Wait, wait, wait, just, just to rewind a little bit here.

07:16:26.140 The origination of this entire conversation was, I think I brought something up like,

07:16:31.800 yeah, most men would not like do the trade-off of like their girlfriend, but having 10,

07:16:39.380 sleeping with 10 additional women or sorry, 10 additional men prior to them.

07:16:43.620 If it means she's like marginally better or even way better in the bedroom.

07:16:48.360 In this case, you're like, oh, well, actually my boyfriend.

07:16:51.480 Yeah.

07:16:51.720 Cause I, cause I, cause it's sounding like, no, no, like it, no, it was, it had a 30 minute

07:16:57.760 conversation for nothing.

07:16:58.820 Go ahead.

07:16:59.280 No, no, go ahead.

07:16:59.720 No, it, it, that's how, that's how it was.

07:17:03.280 And what I'm saying is like, wait, wait, I have to interrupt you.

07:17:06.360 So you said it was the first two times you guys had sex.

07:17:09.880 Okay.

07:17:10.260 Maybe the first couple times, whatever.

07:17:12.440 Even, even if, sure.

07:17:13.360 Let's say it was the first five times weren't great.

07:17:15.980 In fact, I even think for most couples, the best sex you're going to have is deeper into

07:17:21.180 the relationship than early on, because you guys got to figure out, this is actually a

07:17:24.940 very normal phenomenon.

07:17:26.440 I think the first time having sex, you know, she doesn't know what you like.

07:17:30.900 You don't know what she likes.

07:17:31.920 You're figuring it out.

07:17:32.980 Maybe there's nerves involved.

07:17:34.440 I don't actually think that this is a rare phenomenon that the sex isn't always the best

07:17:39.420 the first time.

07:17:40.020 Um, in any case, um, you said that it was remedied within like a couple sexual encounters.

07:17:46.720 What man in his right mind, if it was remedied within like five sexual encounters would still

07:17:51.980 make the trade off of, I wish for those five early sexual encounters, like those first five

07:17:57.620 sexual encounters, I I'm holding it against her.

07:18:00.580 I'm holding those first sexual encounters against her.

07:18:03.860 And she should have fucked 10 other men because of that.

07:18:06.840 I think no man, no man is ever making that deal unless he's a cuck.

07:18:10.660 I think for him, he maybe felt also bad for me personally, because he was like, you know,

07:18:16.500 he felt like he like robbed me of different experiences of being with other people, I think

07:18:21.640 was also part of the conversation.

07:18:23.400 He robbed you?

07:18:24.220 Like, like, like his, his words, not mine.

07:18:26.780 His words, not mine.

07:18:27.680 Okay.

07:18:27.840 Like he, because he got robbed you of getting to fuck other men.

07:18:31.520 Oh my God.

07:18:31.900 This guy's digging himself a grave.

07:18:33.880 No.

07:18:34.200 And like, okay.

07:18:35.380 So like, have you guys, we know we're in a, is he a cuck?

07:18:39.200 No, we're in a completely committed seven years.

07:18:42.160 Oh, seven years.

07:18:43.360 Yeah.

07:18:43.720 We're, we're fine.

07:18:44.660 We're good.

07:18:45.120 What I was trying to say is that, you know, I want to rob my girl of other sexual experiences

07:18:50.980 with other, you fucking damn right.

07:18:53.100 I'm robbing you, I am robbing you of other sexual experiences with men.

07:18:58.420 That's called commitment.

07:18:59.900 Damn right.

07:19:00.580 I'm robbing you of sexual experiences.

07:19:02.920 Because, okay, here's the, here's, here's the last, he's a little bit older than me.

07:19:06.900 And so that's also part of it.

07:19:08.540 Your hot years.

07:19:09.000 I'm sorry.

07:19:09.680 Yes.

07:19:09.900 He felt like he was taking away my hot years.

07:19:12.140 Oh, I'm sorry.

07:19:12.900 He supposed, yeah, for him.

07:19:14.600 They, they, they hot with him.

07:19:15.500 I'm sorry, baby.

07:19:16.780 But let me ask you a question.

07:19:18.540 You don't have to answer it.

07:19:19.680 But did his sexual proclivities with you expand the more you was with him?

07:19:26.740 He sounded like a freak.

07:19:28.180 What?

07:19:28.960 I said, his sexual, like, proclivities, like, stuff he wanted from you, did it increase as

07:19:32.660 y'all started having more sex?

07:19:34.040 Yeah.

07:19:34.120 Because it sounds like he's.

07:19:35.280 Did you peg him?

07:19:36.080 I've never pegged him.

07:19:37.240 I'm not into that.

07:19:38.520 Absolutely not.

07:19:39.760 No.

07:19:40.120 Just checking.

07:19:40.300 No.

07:19:40.800 No.

07:19:41.480 He's definitely giving peg vibes.

07:19:43.480 He, trust me, he is not a peg vibe guy.

07:19:45.680 Who did he go for?

07:19:46.620 Sorry.

07:19:47.020 No.

07:19:47.160 Some people just over-sexualize.

07:19:50.260 I think that's, I think that's the real problem, just with the, our, with America, period.

07:19:54.660 There's too much pressure on sex, good or bad.

07:19:57.140 I think we've just been over-sexualized, especially my generation.

07:19:59.640 And, like, late 90s, early 2000s.

07:20:01.320 Should he come on the show?

07:20:02.340 That, who?

07:20:02.900 Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

07:20:03.740 That ought to be crazy.

07:20:04.660 My bad.

07:20:05.040 I think the late 90s, early 2000s, there was this big porn rush.

07:20:07.920 And I think this rush of porn and the accessibility to it has increased the demand of what a woman needs.

07:20:14.960 Like, a lot of dudes do think that she needs to be this super freak.

07:20:18.560 And I think that comes from a porn addiction.

07:20:20.940 Because back in the day, women didn't have to be all that.

07:20:24.180 She didn't have to dress, look a certain way.

07:20:26.500 Even men.

07:20:27.060 Because now, if you look at porns, all the dudes are in shape.

07:20:30.360 And all the women have a certain phenotype.

07:20:32.240 It wasn't like that back in the day.

07:20:33.420 Social media, too.

07:20:34.100 Social media, too.

07:20:34.960 So now, it's like, after porn, everybody had to be a certain aesthetic, female-wise.

07:20:39.840 And every man had to be in perfect shape.

07:20:41.220 I think these appetites come from porn.

07:20:43.280 And I think when men expect women to have this crazy sexual experience, I think it's because they're comparing you to, really, pornography.

07:20:51.420 So, do you think, with that viewpoint, though, that men shouldn't be so heavily reliant on porn?

07:20:58.740 Of course.

07:20:59.700 Too much of anything is not good for you.

07:21:01.440 So, like, do you watch porn?

07:21:02.900 No.

07:21:03.620 Okay.

07:21:05.040 I have, but I was younger.

07:21:07.680 But as I got older, it's like, it desensitizes you to it.

07:21:10.900 To me, it has the same effect that seeing too many women dress a certain way all the time.

07:21:18.340 It desensitizes you to according.

07:21:19.860 It desensitizes you to how she feels.

07:21:22.700 And it kind of puts you in a place of looking at her from an objective perspective.

07:21:27.560 So, I think that's why I say women dressing differently, it's not just about us.

07:21:31.320 It's protecting her.

07:21:32.360 And it's forcing the man to pull something else out of you.

07:21:35.360 Because if he's constantly seeing you getting screwed in porn, and he's constantly seeing your ass on Instagram, unless he's very highly developed and mature, he's going to just be looking at you as a sexual object.

07:21:45.780 Like, if I'm in a relationship, I don't watch porn.

07:21:50.660 Okay.

07:21:51.560 Yeah.

07:21:51.720 Man, that's crazy.

07:21:55.480 We talked about a lot of things.

07:21:56.400 I'm going to try to get things wrapped up here, hopefully pretty soon.

07:21:59.380 And that is really interesting, though.

07:22:03.660 Thank you for being so, like, open about all that.

07:22:06.880 Appreciate it.

07:22:07.800 That was...

07:22:08.440 Hopefully he's okay with it, too.

07:22:09.820 Here, let's go to Twitch really quick.

07:22:11.240 Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

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07:22:15.200 Guys, drop us a follow and a Prime sub.

07:22:18.080 Guys, it's been an hour since we last got a Prime.

07:22:20.120 Brian has a small peepee.

07:22:21.600 First off, Crew87.

07:22:23.900 It's average.

07:22:24.740 Get it right.

07:22:25.880 And thank you for the Prime, though.

07:22:27.720 Appreciate it.

07:22:28.480 Guys, it's been an hour since we last had a Prime.

07:22:30.400 Can you guys...

07:22:31.340 I think it's bugged, boys.

07:22:32.360 Can you guys check if it's...

07:22:33.660 You know...

07:22:34.200 And guys, drop us a follow over there on Twitch.

07:22:36.420 I'm going to be streaming World of Warcraft maybe on Thursday.

07:22:39.020 We'll see.

07:22:39.320 I don't know.

07:22:40.040 I've got to still assess if I even have time for that shit.

07:22:42.360 I work 70 hours a week, so I don't know if I have time.

07:22:45.140 But I'm still...

07:22:46.120 I'm debating it.

07:22:46.760 I'm debating it.

07:22:47.360 Oh, we got Crazy Ace.

07:22:49.340 Thank you for the gifted five subs.

07:22:50.740 Appreciate it.

07:22:51.780 Okay, guys.

07:22:52.580 And here, I'm going to try to get through everything.

07:22:55.180 As quickly as possible.

07:22:55.880 I'm going to have to skip some of these things.

07:22:57.560 Because there's a lot.

07:22:58.380 We won't be able to get to all of it.

07:23:01.820 Oh, last thing on the hypocritical thing.

07:23:04.800 I guess my final thoughts on this are...

07:23:08.940 In order for you to want to be with someone...

07:23:12.540 Do you need to be exactly the same?

07:23:17.060 Oh, no.

07:23:18.560 What do you mean?

07:23:19.760 No, no.

07:23:19.940 Like, personality?

07:23:20.880 Well, so...

07:23:21.760 Let me ask you guys this.

07:23:23.080 And this is for the whole panel.

07:23:23.980 I'd like you guys to answer.

07:23:25.180 And I'll start over here on this side with you.

07:23:26.880 So we get...

07:23:27.720 We do a different angle.

07:23:30.080 Are there things that you desire in a partner that you do not possess?

07:23:37.260 No.

07:23:38.320 Into the mic?

07:23:39.720 I guess yes.

07:23:42.640 Penis.

07:23:44.580 There's that.

07:23:45.960 Right?

07:23:46.700 You want me to name things?

07:23:48.560 Well, like...

07:23:49.500 Do you want a guy who's taller than you?

07:23:51.700 Yes.

07:23:52.040 Okay.

07:23:53.640 But so there's...

07:23:54.900 Are you saying there's perfect symmetry in the things you desire in a man?

07:23:58.460 So, like, do you want a masculine man?

07:24:03.400 Wait, why?

07:24:04.460 No, because I was...

07:24:04.760 You prefer feminine?

07:24:05.720 No.

07:24:06.860 Oh, okay.

07:24:07.440 It was just...

07:24:07.800 Are you masculine?

07:24:09.620 No.

07:24:10.360 Okay.

07:24:10.880 Do you want a dominant man?

07:24:14.060 Yes.

07:24:14.620 Are you dominant?

07:24:16.280 No.

07:24:17.180 Oh, okay.

07:24:18.280 What about you?

07:24:19.760 Pretty much the same thing.

07:24:21.380 Masculine makes more than me just because I want to have a child.

07:24:26.080 Right.

07:24:26.280 You want a guy who makes...

07:24:26.880 I want to be provided for.

07:24:27.340 Do you want to be a stay-at-home?

07:24:29.360 Yeah.

07:24:29.880 You want to stay-at-home, right?

07:24:30.780 Because my mom was.

07:24:31.700 Right.

07:24:31.860 Yeah.

07:24:32.000 And my mom had her career, yes.

07:24:33.460 Going back to you really quick, and I'll come right back to you, though.

07:24:36.640 Who should pay on the first date?

07:24:39.340 Into the mic.

07:24:39.940 Into the mic.

07:24:40.580 The guy.

07:24:41.420 The guy.

07:24:41.940 Yeah.

07:24:42.140 Okay.

07:24:42.300 So that is an asymmetry, right?

07:24:45.620 In what you want.

07:24:46.280 Like, you wouldn't pay for the first date, right?

07:24:47.860 You want the guy to make the first move.

07:24:49.360 You want him to ask you out.

07:24:50.400 You want him to go for the first kiss, et cetera, et cetera, right?

07:24:53.100 Same with you.

07:24:53.980 Yeah, and I disagree with what he was saying earlier about how a woman should split after

07:24:57.460 a few times, and that's how you know that she likes you.

07:24:59.900 I gave context.

07:25:01.740 I didn't just say that.

07:25:02.620 Don't remix my shit.

07:25:03.900 I said...

07:25:04.420 Don't get it twisted.

07:25:05.200 I said make an effort to do something.

07:25:08.880 Okay, okay, okay.

07:25:09.280 Did I not say that, ladies?

07:25:11.260 I misunderstood you said that.

07:25:12.300 Very clear communicating.

07:25:14.340 Well, what about you?

07:25:16.240 What was the question?

07:25:17.260 Oh, are there things that you desire in a boyfriend that you do not possess?

07:25:23.140 Yeah.

07:25:23.760 Okay.

07:25:24.320 Like what?

07:25:25.520 A dominant personality.

07:25:27.260 Okay.

07:25:28.200 Maybe, like, asks you out?

07:25:29.860 Yeah.

07:25:30.200 Takes initiative?

07:25:30.980 Takes initiative.

07:25:31.800 Pays for the first date?

07:25:33.720 Yeah, I think there's a lot of feminine aspects that I want to let myself express as a female

07:25:38.200 that wants that, like, traditional, soft, female, divine, you know, whatever, and I feel like

07:25:43.700 I need somebody who can be the man that can let me express that part of myself.

07:25:50.940 Yeah, I like chivalry.

07:25:52.060 But you're not chivalrous back, right?

07:25:55.340 Meaning?

07:25:56.580 Well, chivalry is typically something that's, like, one directional, male to female.

07:26:00.160 You know, I feel like I am kind of chivalrous back because I think it's a give and take,

07:26:05.960 and, like, I want them to know that my effort is reciprocated.

07:26:08.580 I appreciate what they give to me, and that is me reciprocating with effort.

07:26:14.040 So you pay for first dates, then?

07:26:15.720 I have.

07:26:16.860 Okay.

07:26:17.380 What about you?

07:26:19.560 Sorry, repeat the question again.

07:26:21.720 Yeah, so are there traits that you desire in a partner that you yourself don't possess?

07:26:28.800 Yes.

07:26:29.900 Like, and then what about you?

07:26:32.840 I guess, yeah.

07:26:34.080 Yeah?

07:26:34.880 Right?

07:26:35.280 What about you?

07:26:35.960 Yeah.

07:26:36.120 So, for example, like, I don't think it would be hypocritical for a woman to find,

07:26:42.580 to want a guy who's funny, but she's not funny.

07:26:46.300 I think we can all agree.

07:26:47.560 Like, I don't think there's actually anything hypocritical.

07:26:50.460 Like, just because a woman herself isn't funny, what would actually be wrong with, like,

07:26:55.820 and most women, I think, would desire a guy who can make them laugh and is funny.

07:27:00.360 I don't think that's hypocritical, right?

07:27:02.400 And so, in that same light, a man who has a high body count, who's like, whoa, I find

07:27:10.540 this trait attractive in a woman, low body count or virgin, I don't think that makes him

07:27:14.620 a hypocrite in the same way that women desire traits in men that they don't possess themselves.

07:27:20.500 I actually thought about that question more, and I kind of just reversed it, and I thought,

07:27:26.840 okay, if a man has a low body count and he's looking for a woman, hypothetically, with a

07:27:33.120 higher body count because he wants experience or whatever the case may be, would I find that

07:27:37.940 hypocritical?

07:27:40.360 And I thought, no, I wouldn't.

07:27:42.540 So, why would I find the reverse way?

07:27:44.620 It's more of just a preference.

07:27:46.380 So, wait, just so I understand, this would be if somebody wanted, if somebody wanted somebody

07:27:52.120 who was sexually experienced, but they were lacking in sexual experience, but they, so

07:27:58.560 they wanted to date somebody sexually experienced, there would be an asymmetry there.

07:28:01.920 No, you would, you would not view that as hypocritical, even, like, how, how dare this person with

07:28:08.800 a lack of sexual experience, how dare they date somebody with more sexual experience than

07:28:13.320 them, essentially?

07:28:13.920 Is that a fair?

07:28:15.100 Yeah, yeah.

07:28:15.500 Because at first, I thought, okay, well, I think that it is hypocritical for a guy to

07:28:21.140 want someone with a low body count, but now that I think about it, no, I don't think it is.

07:28:25.360 Oh, and I don't know if you answered, do you, I think you answered, right?

07:28:28.200 I did, yeah.

07:28:28.400 You desire, yeah, yeah.

07:28:29.780 So, I just, you know, that's interesting.

07:28:31.920 Okay, and then we have, let's see here, oh, we got something, graffito, sorry for the

07:28:36.660 delay again, brother.

07:28:37.860 Here you go.

07:28:38.880 I apologize.

07:28:40.820 Women, do you find that men these days expect you to be able to perform like a P-star, or

07:28:46.260 do you expect, do they expect you to deep throat gag or other crazy things that were unheard

07:28:50.500 of before corn normalized them?

07:28:54.880 Yes.

07:28:55.760 Yeah, that's probably definitely a thing.

07:28:57.180 Yeah.

07:28:57.860 That's definitely a thing.

07:28:58.900 Graffito, sorry for the delay there.

07:29:02.480 I do appreciate, what the hell?

07:29:06.420 I appreciate it.

07:29:07.240 Thank you, graffito.

07:29:08.080 Thank you so much.

07:29:10.520 I wonder if this relates to, yeah, it is a good point.

07:29:15.760 All right.

07:29:17.300 Oh, man, we're not going to be able to hit all of these, but maybe we'll do one or two

07:29:21.500 more and then we'll wrap.

07:29:22.260 Age gap relationships, I think a couple of you had objections there on the age gap relationships.

07:29:31.900 I think, or no, you're okay with them, it sounds like.

07:29:34.240 Yeah, I'm okay with them.

07:29:34.780 Oh, you're okay?

07:29:35.260 Yeah, you X'd that out.

07:29:39.160 I think you had an issue with age gap relationships.

07:29:43.020 I disagree, but it really does depend on where that age gap lies, in my opinion.

07:29:47.600 Yeah, 30-year-old, the example I provided, 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old.

07:29:50.340 Yeah, no.

07:29:51.640 Yeah, no.

07:29:52.200 No.

07:29:53.500 Tanjay?

07:29:58.420 You said also age gap relationships, icky?

07:30:04.960 Into the mic, if you can, please.

07:30:06.960 19 to.

07:30:07.820 Yeah, 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old.

07:30:09.300 It's kind of like, but hey, what do I know?

07:30:12.660 So I don't know.

07:30:13.620 I don't know.

07:30:13.860 You want someone fresh out of high school and you're like a very long-term adult at this

07:30:18.040 point, so.

07:30:18.880 Wait, what do you mean?

07:30:19.880 Like, if you're just getting, like, there's a 19-year-old who's just getting out of high

07:30:22.820 school.

07:30:23.140 They're just now experiencing an adult.

07:30:23.820 Well, they could be in their first or second year of college.

07:30:25.760 Well, first or second year of college.

07:30:27.020 But still, when I was in my first or second year of college, no thoughts behind the eyes.

07:30:30.560 Like, just 19, you're just partying, you're out of home.

07:30:33.060 Yeah, so should women not be allowed to vote?

07:30:35.160 I'm not saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

07:30:37.360 I'm saying that 30-year-old men.

07:30:38.340 They can vote at 18.

07:30:39.640 Well, can I finish?

07:30:40.800 Yeah, go ahead.

07:30:41.140 I'm saying that 30-year-old men or women shouldn't date 19-year-olds.

07:30:45.560 In my opinion, because why aren't you with someone your own age?

07:30:49.180 Why are you going for someone that's more vulnerable in life?

07:30:52.000 How are they more vulnerable?

07:30:53.300 They're 19.

07:30:54.200 So?

07:30:55.120 Do you think it might be taboo, and that might be like a fantasy to either one or both

07:31:01.020 of them, and they deserve to be in a taboo relationship?

07:31:05.420 I mean, if they're both consenting, yeah.

07:31:07.660 But, so go ahead.

07:31:08.400 And they could, but my main concern is, like, the frontal lobe is not developed.

07:31:12.620 Haven't experienced relationships.

07:31:14.340 Well, I mean, that's kind of BS, the whole frontal lobe thing, but, yeah.

07:31:17.680 I mean, it does develop when you're in your 20s.

07:31:20.440 That's why I've never taken medication.

07:31:21.680 So, it's not this, like, so you're saying, like, 18-year-olds are just, like, totally

07:31:26.400 arse-lurred, like, they can't think at all?

07:31:29.100 That's not what I'm making at all.

07:31:30.160 But why can they consent to having sex with someone their age, then?

07:31:34.960 I'm just saying I feel like it's wrong.

07:31:36.800 I don't agree with it.

07:31:37.720 I'm not saying that it should be illegal or not illegal.

07:31:40.320 Yeah, let me, can I present to you an example here?

07:31:42.140 So, like, what would you find more objectionable?

07:31:44.240 Like, an 18-year-old woman or 19-year-old woman, she is, she's dating men her

07:31:51.660 age, but they are just using her for sex, and she's, like, one after the other after

07:31:55.920 the other.

07:31:56.440 I mean, this is a complaint I hear from a lot of young women, these younger college

07:32:00.600 guys.

07:32:01.120 They don't want a relationship.

07:32:02.360 They just want to, what you're doing, 11 p.m. on a Friday.

07:32:08.460 What situation would you prefer to see a woman in?

07:32:11.100 That or she's dating a 30-year-old guy who's a monogamous and loves her, and she's in a

07:32:16.540 relationship with him?

07:32:17.200 What do you think is, like, better for her mental health?

07:32:20.180 I'm just still stuck on why does a 30-year-old want to be with a 19-year-old?

07:32:23.980 Like, that's really just what I'm stuck on.

07:32:25.860 I can answer that, but you have to answer my question first.

07:32:29.020 I don't really know how to answer it.

07:32:30.900 Like, it just.

07:32:31.680 Just to be clear, here's your position.

07:32:33.260 Okay.

07:32:33.760 You would rather a 19-year-old woman, like, fuck, say, a dozen men her own age that

07:32:40.480 just discard her after fucking her once or twice or three times versus being a loving,

07:32:45.240 caring, monogamous relationship with a 30-year-old man.

07:32:48.020 That's your position.

07:32:48.520 Well, now you're just bringing up she's sleeping around with a bunch of men.

07:32:50.940 Well, that was the entailment.

07:32:52.320 That was the scenario.

07:32:53.820 But it's different.

07:32:54.320 Why couldn't she just sleep around with the same 18-year-old or 19-year-old?

07:32:57.880 Wait, what?

07:32:58.460 Why couldn't they sleep with one 19-year-old?

07:33:00.040 Yeah, but it's a hypothetical to test the logic.

07:33:03.500 That has no logic.

07:33:04.880 There's one people and then multiple people.

07:33:06.520 That's not logic.

07:33:07.080 That's just different scenarios.

07:33:08.180 I don't want to grant to you that a woman who's 19 could get into a relationship with

07:33:11.300 another 19-year-old, but I'm testing your logic here.

07:33:16.240 So, in the hypothetical scenario I presented, you have a 19-year-old woman who, and I actually

07:33:21.980 don't think it's really that far-fetched that this actually occurs really frequently in

07:33:28.220 college.

07:33:28.860 A lot of women, they're having casual sex with a bunch of other men.

07:33:31.900 When I was 19, if I dated a 30-year-old, that wouldn't have gone well for me.

07:33:37.260 So, personally, my opinion is I don't agree with it.

07:33:39.400 Yeah, but, I mean, you said that you have, like, the borderline personality disorder.

07:33:43.120 I don't know if that plays into it.

07:33:45.560 What specifically about the age gap relationship would not play well for you?

07:33:50.900 It just makes me extremely uncomfortable.

07:33:52.840 Why are you not dating people your own age?

07:33:54.560 Do you know Ryan Reynolds?

07:34:02.680 Yeah.

07:34:03.080 Would you date him?

07:34:05.600 I don't know him.

07:34:06.680 You don't know Ryan Reynolds?

07:34:07.540 I mean, I know of him, but, like, I date all personality.

07:34:10.700 Like, I don't date for looks.

07:34:11.880 Like, I genuinely don't.

07:34:13.680 If you looked at all my exes, you'd be like, what the fuck?

07:34:15.600 Like, genuinely.

07:34:16.540 You'd be like, what the fuck?

07:34:17.320 Do you have a celebrity crush?

07:34:18.680 Mm-mm.

07:34:19.400 No, you can't think of him.

07:34:20.440 That's like a BPD thing.

07:34:21.700 Like, I just genuinely, like, I, if I, I've never really had an idol or looked up to someone.

07:34:26.020 Like, it just is what it is.

07:34:27.180 So, you would, do you know Henry Cavill?

07:34:29.720 Cavill?

07:34:30.260 No.

07:34:31.800 I don't know a lot of people.

07:34:32.920 I didn't watch a lot of movies growing up.

07:34:33.920 Would you date, have you seen the movie Fight Club?

07:34:36.760 Mm-mm.

07:34:37.400 Oh, my God.

07:34:38.160 I haven't watched Rocky.

07:34:39.520 I haven't watched Titanic.

07:34:40.660 I haven't watched, like, I'll answer.

07:34:42.060 That's fine.

07:34:42.500 Can I say something about this?

07:34:43.620 Yeah, go ahead.

07:34:44.240 I agree with the ladies.

07:34:45.380 I feel like, at 19, I think, once you hit, I think you got a little window to deal with that.

07:34:51.520 But I think any man over 23 shouldn't be dealing with a 19-year-old.

07:34:54.820 Me, personally.

07:34:55.760 Why, though?

07:34:56.680 Because the blowback is not worth it when there's so many other women.

07:35:01.360 What do you mean, the blowback?

07:35:02.680 It's just, I think it just looks weird.

07:35:04.260 Like, in today's society, maybe in the 1500s when, you know, we was, you know, dealing with castles and all that.

07:35:11.500 But I'm talking about today, I just think, as opposed to other options.

07:35:16.500 Like, if you're 23, I think that's when, that should be the last moment you deal with 19, 18-year-old.

07:35:22.220 Like, teen.

07:35:22.640 What is a teen?

07:35:23.280 It's the teen word.

07:35:24.080 It's the word teen at the end is crazy.

07:35:25.980 That's the, to me, personally.

07:35:27.280 Like, teen at the end is crazy.

07:35:28.540 I don't like it either.

07:35:30.320 The whole teen thing, that's totally disingenuous.

07:35:32.700 Because you can be 13 and then 19.

07:35:35.900 Like, these are two.

07:35:37.060 Like, one is a crime.

07:35:38.840 Like, if you were, and the other is, like, an adult who can vote and sign a contract.

07:35:44.100 But today's young people are really goofy, man.

07:35:47.020 Like, a 13-year-old today is like a 9-year-old for real.

07:35:49.900 A 20-year-old today is.

07:35:50.940 Well, hold on.

07:35:51.320 We're talking about, like, we're talking about adult relationships.

07:35:54.100 So, 18-plus.

07:35:55.080 Okay, 18-plus, I just, me personally, if I'm 22, that's my limit.

07:35:59.900 Like, if I'm 30, I deal with a woman that's, like, 25, 24, 19.

07:36:05.920 Me, personally, nah.

07:36:07.640 Because I'm thinking about my daughter.

07:36:08.940 Like, if I got a daughter that's 19 and she bring back a dude that's 30, he got to be, like, Obama or something.

07:36:16.300 Like, you know what I'm saying?

07:36:16.900 It's likely he's not going to be that.

07:36:18.500 So, I don't, me personally, I think 19 to 30-year-old, I'm going to look at the dude as if he's a little awful.

07:36:24.800 A little desperate.

07:36:25.600 Oh, he can't get nobody.

07:36:26.740 Because you can still get a young woman, but 19 at 30, I don't know.

07:36:31.140 What if you meet someone, though?

07:36:32.640 What if you meet someone you don't know their age and it's a 19-year-old that looks 25?

07:36:36.440 That's different.

07:36:37.020 Because I always looked older.

07:36:38.420 That's a good question.

07:36:39.940 But so, does it have to do with physical appearance?

07:36:42.800 Or does it have to do with, like, mental state?

07:36:44.740 I think just, I don't want to deal with explaining that to anybody else.

07:36:51.680 Me, personally.

07:36:52.560 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

07:36:53.160 I'm just being honest.

07:36:53.940 I'm just talking about me.

07:36:55.100 I don't want to deal with that.

07:36:56.400 Like, if I found out, if we fell in love, I've been with her for a year, and I found out she was lying about her age, it's like I'm already with her until it's kind of different.

07:37:03.100 Well, she lied to you, right?

07:37:04.100 She lied to me.

07:37:04.820 That's different.

07:37:05.600 But if I know I'm not 30 years old and scouting the local community college for a 19-year-old, like, I just think that's kind of weird.

07:37:13.560 Okay, man, you're on social media.

07:37:14.980 Let's say a 19-year-old girl, she slides into your DMs.

07:37:17.600 I'm not dealing with that.

07:37:18.660 I'm 39, bro.

07:37:19.640 I can't do it.

07:37:20.220 I got a daughter that's four years younger than her.

07:37:23.600 But are you checking their age first thing?

07:37:25.940 Like, how do you find out?

07:37:27.260 Like, is it a first-time question?

07:37:28.820 How do you kind of find out?

07:37:29.340 I deal with women in areas where really 19-year-olds really don't be.

07:37:32.660 Like, I don't really club like that.

07:37:34.060 Wait, hold on.

07:37:34.940 But really quick to, like, you have a daughter like that.

07:37:36.520 Do you have a sister?

07:37:37.680 Yeah, I got a sister.

07:37:38.200 How old's your sister?

07:37:38.920 My sister's, I think she's like 42, 43.

07:37:44.200 Do you have a younger sister?

07:37:45.520 Yeah, she'd probably be maybe 24 now.

07:37:48.000 Would you date a 24-year-old?

07:37:49.920 At 39?

07:37:50.960 Yeah.

07:37:52.940 She got to be super-duper established.

07:37:55.920 I was going to say, that sounds better to me.

07:37:58.320 Like, it's really just me than 19.

07:38:00.480 Let me ask the question.

07:38:04.440 Okay, let's say you had a younger sister who was 30.

07:38:07.420 Would you date a 30-year-old?

07:38:08.760 At 39?

07:38:09.400 Yeah.

07:38:10.060 Okay, but that's like dating somebody your sister's age.

07:38:13.660 Yeah, but my sister's super-grown now.

07:38:16.200 She ain't super-grown at 19.

07:38:17.680 But, like, I don't understand this argument like, oh, well, you have this familial person in your life who is of a certain age.

07:38:27.400 Ergo, you can't date them.

07:38:29.260 You can do what you want.

07:38:30.900 I just said I wouldn't want to do it.

07:38:32.680 Here's what I don't understand from you, though.

07:38:33.980 It's like, you're saying the other people would judge you, so I won't do it.

07:38:40.480 You strike me as a, like, how do I articulate this?

07:38:48.140 Do you really give a fuck what other people think?

07:38:49.860 I don't get that impression from you.

07:38:51.200 I don't, but certain things, it's just not worth the fight.

07:38:54.820 Like, I pick, I'm not trying to beat, you got to pick your battles.

07:38:58.800 Certain battles are just not worth it.

07:39:00.720 What battle?

07:39:01.300 Some fucking Karen on the internet?

07:39:02.840 I mean, me, 39 years old, I don't want a 19-year-old.

07:39:07.760 Well, she probably has a lower body count.

07:39:10.000 I don't want a 19-year-old.

07:39:11.680 I might be attracted to her, and I might be like, yo, you can get it, shorty, but I'm just not going to do it.

07:39:15.840 Would you date a 30-year-old if she looked like she was 18?

07:39:20.840 Yeah, she's 30.

07:39:22.400 Nah, she looks, I mean, she's 30.

07:39:23.720 But it's like, that is a good argument, and it's like the physical looks thing, like, there are, like, 19-year-old women who are shapely and, like, big ass, big titties, whatever, and there's, like, 30-year-old women who you would date who are, like, A-cup, like, so that's my confusion here.

07:39:39.740 I mean, because it's not just a physical thing.

07:39:42.560 Sure, it's mental.

07:39:43.220 It's mental.

07:39:43.500 Like, if I'm 39, a 19-year-old can only be taught by me, and in today's society, she probably ain't going to hear shit I say.

07:39:51.180 She probably think I'm too old, I don't know shit.

07:39:52.780 So, I ain't got time to be arguing with no little-ass kid, bro.

07:39:55.900 So, me personally, I don't want to deal with a 19-year-old.

07:39:58.320 You've never dealt with a 35-year-old, quarrelsome, nagging woman?

07:40:02.780 Absolutely.

07:40:03.660 Come on.

07:40:04.240 Absolutely, and I don't want to deal with that either.

07:40:06.200 The most complicated women I've ever dealt were, like, it wasn't, like, the 23-year-old.

07:40:12.880 It was the fucking woman my age.

07:40:14.640 It varies.

07:40:15.360 There's older women that's cool, and there's older women that's goofy.

07:40:18.420 There's younger women that's cool, and there's younger women that's goofy.

07:40:21.040 But that can't be the only reason, then.

07:40:22.300 There has to be somebody.

07:40:22.840 I'd rather deal with somebody within under 10 years or under me.

07:40:27.120 But correct me if I'm wrong.

07:40:28.620 You had mentioned a part of the 18-year-old.

07:40:32.060 What did we're talking about?

07:40:33.180 19-year-old was perception.

07:40:35.740 But the 30-year-old that looks like she's 18, wouldn't people still perceive her?

07:40:39.940 Yeah, but perception is not reality because she's actually 30.

07:40:43.520 So, she looks young.

07:40:44.420 That's just she just looks young.

07:40:45.500 But if she's actually young but looks older, I just – I wouldn't do it.

07:40:50.400 I just think it's too much explaining.

07:40:52.320 You know, her parents might not be comfortable.

07:40:53.780 You know, it's just too much shit that you got to deal with.

07:40:56.260 You could take it on and say, hey, I'm a man.

07:40:57.960 Hit me roll.

07:40:58.460 I'm going to do what the fuck I want.

07:40:59.460 But certain battles I don't think is worth it just to prove that I'm a guy.

07:41:03.280 I do want to ask some of the girls' input on this.

07:41:06.100 You're in an age gap.

07:41:07.760 Who's in the age gap relationship?

07:41:09.340 Me.

07:41:09.600 What's the age gap again?

07:41:10.760 15 years.

07:41:11.880 You're 25 and he's 40.

07:41:14.000 Ladies at the table here, objectionable.

07:41:16.380 15 years.

07:41:16.740 Well, when did you start dating, I asked.

07:41:18.540 Three years ago.

07:41:19.240 Her prefrontal cortex just finished.

07:41:21.300 Oh, it wasn't even – it's not even just that.

07:41:24.140 Like at 19 and I was in college.

07:41:25.840 Wait, she was – you were 22 when you guys started dating?

07:41:28.260 Yeah, I was in college.

07:41:28.540 She was 22 when they started dating and he was 37?

07:41:32.840 Yeah.

07:41:33.940 Like –

07:41:34.280 But prefrontal cortex was not fully developed.

07:41:36.520 And I said – and it's still the 19 thing.

07:41:38.660 Like just moved out of the house.

07:41:40.300 Give him a second.

07:41:40.980 22 and that I agree.

07:41:42.900 And I said in the beginning, there's only certain age gap relationships I don't agree with.

07:41:47.140 When you say 19, you said teen.

07:41:49.600 That's crazy.

07:41:50.060 Here, I'll bump it up one year.

07:41:51.120 30, 20.

07:41:52.600 Okay.

07:41:53.660 Oh, you're – wait.

07:41:54.880 That's 10 years.

07:41:56.400 Okay, 35, 20.

07:41:58.060 35, 20?

07:41:58.920 Yep.

07:41:59.200 Fine.

07:42:00.060 Really?

07:42:00.440 It's just the teen?

07:42:02.360 Yes.

07:42:02.720 So just to be clear, 19 and 364 – hold on.

07:42:07.480 19, 364 days.

07:42:09.360 Uh-huh.

07:42:10.220 Or 20.

07:42:11.220 Yeah.

07:42:11.820 And zero days.

07:42:15.560 Like one day later?

07:42:16.880 Like creep –

07:42:17.720 Would you want to date a 19-year-old?

07:42:19.900 Sure, why not?

07:42:21.320 Really?

07:42:21.920 Yeah, why not?

07:42:23.080 Okay.

07:42:24.320 Well, what – here.

07:42:25.640 Let me ask you a question.

07:42:26.320 I think you're like – you're creeped out if they're pursuing you because of that.

07:42:29.600 Like I just met that person naturally and we just happened to be the age gap.

07:42:32.960 Let me just clarify here.

07:42:34.080 So I've dated women of – like I've dated women older – that I had age gaps with in

07:42:39.260 terms of like they're older than me.

07:42:40.600 Yeah.

07:42:40.880 So when I was 31, I dated a 45-year-old.

07:42:43.860 That's like 13 years.

07:42:44.920 I know that's a good difference.

07:42:45.480 My grandparents have like a 15-year age gap.

07:42:47.120 They're fine.

07:42:47.340 I've dated older women.

07:42:48.880 I've dated women my age.

07:42:50.140 I've dated women who are, you know, younger than me.

07:42:53.100 I've dated various ranges.

07:42:56.520 And then another clarifying point, I'm not like hanging – I'm not going to college

07:43:00.640 parties trying to mack on – no.

07:43:03.400 But like I don't know if I was on a dating app and I match with somebody or she slides

07:43:07.720 into my DMs.

07:43:08.480 I don't actually – I can't actually think of any reason besides it gives you the ick.

07:43:12.820 Like you can't actually make a really compelling argument.

07:43:15.440 I did say that though.

07:43:17.580 I said it's just my opinion.

07:43:18.760 I'm like it is what it is.

07:43:19.820 Yeah, it's your opinion.

07:43:20.660 There might not be any logic behind it, but the word teen, I'm like I don't know.

07:43:24.820 But it is just the word teen.

07:43:25.880 Yeah, but there's –

07:43:26.320 Call it like it is.

07:43:27.120 I don't – it's fine.

07:43:28.700 Okay.

07:43:29.000 Maybe it's what I'm talking about.

07:43:30.160 What's up I'm talking about?

07:43:30.520 Like it just weirds me out.

07:43:31.600 If a guy gets that to you.

07:43:32.700 Yeah.

07:43:33.000 It weirds me out.

07:43:34.180 I get it.

07:43:34.560 Because I just – like when I was 19 –

07:43:36.260 Here, but let me ask you a question.

07:43:37.520 I just –

07:43:38.400 Yeah, you were a mess.

07:43:39.340 We get it.

07:43:39.700 Yeah.

07:43:40.280 It's fine.

07:43:40.940 I own it.

07:43:41.620 So let's put aside or even grant your position that – or your – I don't know if it was

07:43:47.980 your – that it's kind of icky, gross, creepy, whatever.

07:43:51.460 Can you actually make a compelling argument in terms of the benefits to the man why he

07:43:57.300 should date – like so I'm 35, right?

07:43:59.120 Make a compelling argument to me why I should date a 35-year-old versus a 25-year-old.

07:44:05.340 Well, for – like just for the experience level.

07:44:08.140 Like I know you might not want some – you might want a fresh start with whatever.

07:44:11.620 But I think logically, if you're going to go into a relationship with a failed relationship

07:44:17.260 behind trying to like, you know, make your life better, eventually have a long-lasting

07:44:20.640 relationship, I think your best bet is with someone who also who has been through it before

07:44:27.020 and knows kind of what they want or what they don't want.

07:44:29.760 But okay, so you're saying – tell me if I have your point correct.

07:44:35.820 Right. So men should date women their age because the woman will have an equivalent – hold on.

07:44:47.240 The woman will have an equivalent degree of relationship experience and so for this reason

07:44:53.380 it makes more sense for him to date a woman his age.

07:44:55.500 I wouldn't say their age, around their age.

07:44:58.780 Sure, around their age.

07:44:59.780 Yeah.

07:45:00.160 Okay. So –

07:45:03.920 But I still – like I said this before, like I don't necessarily disagree with age gap.

07:45:08.140 That age gap I did disagree with because like my grandparents have an age gap.

07:45:13.320 So you don't disagree with the 35-25.

07:45:15.360 Okay, fine. I'll change it then.

07:45:16.640 Make a compelling argument in terms of the benefit to the man why he should date a 35-year-old

07:45:24.240 woman versus a 19-year-old woman.

07:45:26.380 I don't know. I'm not a man.

07:45:28.440 Like I don't know what it would benefit you.

07:45:29.900 Like I don't know what makes your brain tick.

07:45:31.440 Like I don't know what would make you feel better and what wouldn't make you feel better.

07:45:34.300 Okay. You women, you guys should start dating short men who are broke, who are not funny,

07:45:41.280 who are not charismatic, who are not dominant, and who are not leaders.

07:45:43.820 You guys should – because I think it's predatory that you guys go after these high-income, high-earning men.

07:45:50.960 Again, never said should, said my opinion, and I wouldn't do it.

07:45:53.600 Yeah, but you have to actually engage in the conversation.

07:45:56.100 So like what – again, I'm just trying to hear what is the benefit to the man –

07:46:03.720 like what does a man get by dating an older woman?

07:46:07.660 What does a man get by dating a younger woman though?

07:46:09.940 Like what's the – a woman is a woman, a man is a man.

07:46:12.640 And again, the age really doesn't matter.

07:46:14.080 But when you bring in teens and adults, it does matter.

07:46:18.120 Like it does.

07:46:18.700 But it's so disingenuous to use the word to make it about the teen thing.

07:46:22.960 So is – what is 19?

07:46:25.520 Teen, right?

07:46:26.960 Yes, it is teen.

07:46:28.340 But it's like – do you know what spin is?

07:46:31.440 No.

07:46:32.200 Okay.

07:46:32.560 So spin is like sort of a marketing principle.

07:46:35.520 Yeah.

07:46:35.700 And like people will do this all the time.

07:46:37.400 Like have you ever encountered somebody who has a totally different – like perhaps somebody's lied about you and they said –

07:46:45.600 Like a whole different perception.

07:46:46.720 Has anybody ever lied about you?

07:46:48.300 Oh, yeah.

07:46:48.700 Made up something about you?

07:46:49.420 Oh, yeah.

07:46:49.860 How did they spin it?

07:46:51.220 They painted something in the least flattering light possible, right?

07:46:56.400 Yeah.

07:46:56.600 Yeah, and so what you're doing is you're using kind of charged language to sort of imply that a man who's attracted to a 19-year-old adult woman is essentially a pedophile because teenager.

07:47:05.540 I just said personally I don't agree with it, what I was at when I was 19.

07:47:09.300 Is an 18-year-old an adult?

07:47:11.760 Legally.

07:47:13.640 You can still be in high school at 18.

07:47:15.900 Okay.

07:47:16.260 Is a 19-year-old an adult?

07:47:18.340 Can be.

07:47:18.920 But again, you can still be 19 in high school.

07:47:20.580 Wait, what do you mean can be?

07:47:20.740 They are or are –

07:47:21.860 They are legally an adult.

07:47:23.340 Okay.

07:47:23.560 But then again, you can still be in high school.

07:47:25.480 Okay, so?

07:47:27.340 A 30-year-old should be dating a high schooler.

07:47:29.920 Or do you think that's like – I don't know.

07:47:32.380 Like that just seems off to me.

07:47:34.400 And again, that is just my personal opinion.

07:47:36.140 It's where my head was at at 19.

07:47:38.080 I don't know what would make a benefit more, but I don't think really age can make you benefit more or less.

07:47:43.820 It just is what is.

07:47:44.840 Age just is what is.

07:47:45.900 But again, so I want to go back to my question.

07:47:48.580 Why should a man date a 35-year-old woman versus a 19-year-old woman?

07:47:54.040 If they're 35?

07:47:55.660 Yeah.

07:47:57.700 Because of life experiences.

07:47:59.760 Like you went through life.

07:48:01.160 Why do you – why do you get a fresh start?

07:48:03.960 Like with someone new, but you – not that you have baggage.

07:48:07.420 I'm not saying that you have any baggage or anything.

07:48:09.920 I do.

07:48:10.660 But like when you're – again, when you're like 35, like life happens.

07:48:14.000 Like life is happening.

07:48:14.880 Sure.

07:48:16.080 Why do you get to take in that baggage and they don't?

07:48:19.020 And again, it's just really your personal opinion.

07:48:20.720 Again, it's just something I don't want to experience and that's okay.

07:48:23.580 I'm asking you like – so I'm kind of like putting you in a position to try to change my mind.

07:48:28.900 Like so –

07:48:29.320 I know that, but I don't –

07:48:30.640 Here's what I'm looking for.

07:48:31.280 Like I don't know.

07:48:32.140 But I think this is actually indicative.

07:48:34.060 Like you actually acknowledge sort of my position on this.

07:48:37.160 I'm asking you to like articulate what makes a woman better when she's older.

07:48:45.600 Like because would you guys all agree?

07:48:48.620 We're all trying to get the best person we can get, right?

07:48:52.240 Okay.

07:48:53.020 Right.

07:48:53.520 You – if you could, if you all could, you would get the 6'5", super ripped, rich, amazing personality, loyal.

07:49:02.580 You would try to maximize what you can get, right?

07:49:05.840 Okay.

07:49:06.240 Whether you can get it or not, that's another conversation.

07:49:09.000 I'm looking for what do I get from an older woman that would make me want to date a 35-year-old versus somebody who's younger.

07:49:19.040 And I'm only – because you don't –

07:49:20.580 And I tried to answer it in the beginning and you cut me off.

07:49:23.700 Literally just experience.

07:49:24.880 You keep saying it's icky.

07:49:26.540 And no, I said experience in the beginning.

07:49:28.360 Okay.

07:49:28.620 So do men care about a woman's experience?

07:49:32.080 No.

07:49:32.880 You even said that in the beginning.

07:49:33.860 Thank you for making my point.

07:49:34.680 Because you said that in the beginning.

07:49:35.500 That's why I'm like I'm listening to you.

07:49:36.660 I'm open.

07:49:37.100 You said no.

07:49:38.320 I mean you told – a man told me no.

07:49:40.460 Okay.

07:49:40.780 You said no.

07:49:41.380 I'm taking your opinion for what it is.

07:49:43.080 Right.

07:49:43.660 Yeah.

07:49:44.020 But so again, I'm looking for some – like an actual argument unless you're just willing to concede the argument.

07:49:49.960 Again, I said there – I don't genuinely have an argument.

07:49:52.480 It's just I don't like it for myself.

07:49:54.240 Yeah, but can you make – how about this?

07:49:55.300 Can you make a moral argument for why it's wrong?

07:49:57.720 It's morally wrong for me.

07:49:59.180 That's it.

07:49:59.540 Yeah, why?

07:49:59.980 No, but why?

07:50:00.680 Because I told you at 19, my brain was not there.

07:50:03.760 If a 30-year-old man were to date me, he would have took advantage of me.

07:50:06.680 A 21-year-old man took advantage of me.

07:50:09.020 So for me personally, again –

07:50:10.120 Oh, that's different than –

07:50:11.580 Again, me personally, I wouldn't want to date a 30-year-old.

07:50:14.100 That has nothing to do with the age gap though.

07:50:15.380 Because you just said a guy your age took advantage of you.

07:50:18.280 Okay.

07:50:19.280 It has nothing – I personally don't want an age gap.

07:50:21.400 It would have nothing to do with age gap.

07:50:22.980 We're talking about age gap.

07:50:23.860 Okay.

07:50:24.940 Yeah.

07:50:25.340 Okay.

07:50:25.960 So wouldn't a man –

07:50:27.140 This is why I don't understand, right?

07:50:29.560 You don't think that same-age men or even like let's say a 19-year-old woman

07:50:34.780 or how about a 20-year-old woman dates a 19-year-old guy.

07:50:38.080 He's incapable of taking advantage of her or being abusive.

07:50:41.060 I've never said that.

07:50:42.260 Because they certainly can be.

07:50:43.320 They can be.

07:50:44.000 Right.

07:50:44.420 So what is the argument then?

07:50:49.600 That I personally just – it's my personal opinion.

07:50:52.180 Let me ask you this.

07:50:52.560 Can a 19-year-old woman dating a 20-year-old guy, can he be abusive towards her?

07:50:57.700 Yes.

07:50:58.000 Okay.

07:50:58.380 Can a 19-year-old woman dating a 30-year-old guy, can he not be abusive towards her?

07:51:02.000 An 18-year-old girl can punch a 50-year-old man and be abusive.

07:51:05.200 The 18-year-old would be abusive.

07:51:06.260 But like could a same-age relationship at 20 be seriously problematic?

07:51:13.360 Yes.

07:51:13.540 And could a 20-year-old dating a 30-year-old not be problematic at all?

07:51:17.420 Yes.

07:51:17.700 And it'd be loving and healthy?

07:51:19.120 Mm-hmm.

07:51:19.620 Okay.

07:51:19.860 So what's the objection?

07:51:21.960 That I wouldn't – you asked if I feel like it's okay and I was taking it for myself.

07:51:27.500 I don't feel like it's okay for myself.

07:51:30.440 I'm not looking down on you for having an age gap relationship.

07:51:32.760 No, I get –

07:51:32.960 I never look down on my grandparents and I'm not against them.

07:51:35.680 Personally, for me, I don't want one.

07:51:37.880 I think most girls prefer older men as well.

07:51:40.320 Like rather than younger.

07:51:41.140 I do, but like I personally, I don't – like I just don't.

07:51:44.420 I think you just talk about 19.

07:51:45.900 Like I'm literally – yeah.

07:51:47.220 But like really with just – I don't know.

07:51:50.140 Teens – the word teen icks me out.

07:51:52.600 And again, if that doesn't convince you enough, that's okay.

07:51:55.520 I don't know how else to convince a man that like you should date your own age.

07:51:58.600 Like what answer are you looking for?

07:52:00.120 Wait, can it be over 20 though, the man, if you're 19 or no?

07:52:02.820 Like just no 20s at all?

07:52:05.320 22, 19.

07:52:06.380 I don't know.

07:52:07.020 This is so dumb.

07:52:08.560 Okay.

07:52:09.280 Sorry, I'm not your hands.

07:52:10.460 No, but it's crazy to me because like our society has become so infantilized.

07:52:15.420 We're treating teens like toddlers, adults like teens.

07:52:19.740 Like it's just – I don't know.

07:52:22.560 But to play devil's advocate, I think back in the day,

07:52:26.300 like you had generals that was 15-year-old men.

07:52:29.760 An average 15-year-old boy can't do that shit today.

07:52:31.860 I think we want old rules, but we have to have a society to facilitate that development.

07:52:37.860 We don't have it today.

07:52:38.640 We don't have Julius Caesars and all that today.

07:52:42.100 You might have some gangbangers, but you don't have 15-year-old, 14-year-old boys that's ready to lead a nation of army of men to war.

07:52:49.100 We did back in the day, and we had younger women who were able to – was ready to take on the responsibility of being a wife or a queen at younger ages back then

07:52:57.100 because we had a society that facilitated that over time.

07:53:01.140 We don't have that anymore.

07:53:02.560 Now, we may be still biologically capable of doing these things, but I don't think this society facilitates mature young people, let alone mature adults.

07:53:10.980 I mean, I guess one question.

07:53:16.980 So we can, like, send teenage boys to fight wars, and are you okay with that?

07:53:23.880 No.

07:53:24.880 Okay, but you acknowledge that it's a reality, right?

07:53:27.500 It is a reality.

07:53:28.120 Teenage boys historically have fought war, and then they still, like, you can – 18, you can join the military, and 18-year-old men can be drafted, right?

07:53:38.880 So just to be clear, you – at 18, you can be sent to war.

07:53:46.640 You can volunteer to go to war, but –

07:53:49.940 But we can't drink, so, like –

07:53:51.640 Women can't have, like, a consensual relationship with a guy who's a bit older than her.

07:53:55.820 That's –

07:53:56.360 It's up to them.

07:53:57.420 If they want to have that age gap, they can go for it.

07:53:59.820 Okay, but it's icky in any case.

07:54:01.420 That's basically your position.

07:54:03.360 If – yeah, if I were to see it that way, I'd be like, you're dating a teenager.

07:54:06.860 And that's just my opinion.

07:54:08.080 Okay.

07:54:08.440 All right, sure.

07:54:09.500 Did you have something?

07:54:10.260 Anybody else?

07:54:11.160 I mean, you're in an age gap relationship.

07:54:13.080 They are essentially calling your boyfriend predatory.

07:54:15.880 And I did not.

07:54:17.020 I mean, that's the implication.

07:54:18.000 I asked so many questions.

07:54:19.120 She was 22.

07:54:20.240 And I asked her, and I said that was fine.

07:54:22.140 She was a vulnerable college girl at 22, and she was preyed upon by this 37-year-old man.

07:54:30.900 You should be defending –

07:54:31.960 Girl, that's not how I said it.

07:54:33.060 You know that's not how I said it.

07:54:34.420 You should be defending –

07:54:34.640 I even asked and said, no, I actually – I don't mind.

07:54:36.800 You've been dating this boy –

07:54:37.640 I would have been honest with you.

07:54:38.800 I think it's just like –

07:54:39.680 You've got to defend your boyfriend here.

07:54:41.220 Well, it's just circumstantial.

07:54:42.900 Yeah.

07:54:43.080 Like, I feel like with the dating apps, we need, like, a list checked off of everything.

07:54:47.220 You can't just naturally meet someone and things to be, you know, maybe different than what you expected.

07:54:52.880 So, yeah.

07:54:55.240 Yeah.

07:54:55.640 Again, never – don't look down on your relationship.

07:54:57.900 Just the 19 thing, man.

07:54:59.300 Just my opinion.

07:55:01.220 I feel like this would almost be like me saying women who are attracted to tall men –

07:55:07.880 Actually, never mind.

07:55:08.900 I'm going to move on.

07:55:09.600 Okay.

07:55:09.820 We're going to – we need to wrap up here soon.

07:55:12.580 Let's see.

07:55:13.220 I don't know.

07:55:14.220 I don't know.

07:55:15.420 Hmm.

07:55:17.620 Okay.

07:55:18.740 I'm going to just go through the stack.

07:55:20.240 Then we're going to – oh, wait.

07:55:21.540 Oh, there's probably – no.

07:55:22.500 Okay.

07:55:22.680 We're good.

07:55:23.780 Let's see.

07:55:24.340 One sec, guys.

07:55:25.040 Any final thoughts here from anybody?

07:55:27.000 We'll wrap up here hopefully pretty soon.

07:55:28.940 Any final thoughts from any of the panelists?

07:55:30.980 About the age gap?

07:55:32.140 No.

07:55:32.520 Any topic.

07:55:33.040 If you want to ask, you got two men who will give you the – this is a rare opportunity

07:55:38.420 because most men you talk to want to have sex with you.

07:55:41.660 So they won't tell you the truth.

07:55:43.240 They won't tell you the truth.

07:55:44.500 We'll tell you the truth.

07:55:45.540 Ask us a question if you have one or if there's any topics you want to talk about.

07:55:49.220 I tell the truth to women.

07:55:50.000 I want to have sex with two.

07:55:50.980 I don't want to fuck around.

07:55:51.820 Okay.

07:55:52.100 Fair enough.

07:55:53.260 I guess with the purity thing, you know, how can you expect women to have low body counts

07:55:57.340 when men expect women to put out very soon in the first few dates?

07:56:01.480 Like I said, I don't think men – well, I don't.

07:56:05.700 I don't respect a woman to put out.

07:56:07.400 I want her to put out effort.

07:56:09.560 I've had women not want to talk to me because I wasn't trying to have sex with them so soon.

07:56:13.500 So it really just depends.

07:56:14.880 I just want effort.

07:56:15.640 I don't think men who want to take you seriously long term are expecting to give your body to them

07:56:21.380 first, second, third date.

07:56:22.920 I don't think that – I think they just want to see a consistent effort

07:56:25.760 and you come and you show an effort that you want to be with them.

07:56:28.720 And as far as the body count thing, like I said before, do I think there's some psychological

07:56:32.620 and biological effects to a high body count?

07:56:35.620 Absolutely.

07:56:36.340 But me personally, because we are such a highly sexually charged era, there's a likelihood

07:56:41.140 that she probably has some bodies.

07:56:43.020 That's just the times we're in.

07:56:44.320 So my concern is the type of men she's dated prior to me because that's going to tell me

07:56:49.480 what she defines as a man.

07:56:50.840 Because sometimes, depending on the type of men that women are with, they have a misconception

07:56:55.000 of what manhood is.

07:56:56.220 So if you was with a real passive guy, you'd think that's manhood because he lets you do

07:57:00.220 what you want to do, say what you want to say.

07:57:02.000 So now you're expecting that from other men because he gave you a misinterpretation of

07:57:05.580 manhood and vice versa.

07:57:07.020 Like a man could be – he could be dealing with a guy who's very over-the-top masculine,

07:57:12.200 very aggressive, very just too much.

07:57:14.860 And you could think that that's masculinity.

07:57:16.660 So when you get with me, you expect me to be this hyper-masculine man or the super-passive

07:57:21.280 man.

07:57:21.580 So to me, the type of man that a woman deals with tells me a lot more than her body count

07:57:26.340 in a highly sexual era.

07:57:27.740 So how many dates until you throw it out that they have to sleep with you, I guess?

07:57:32.660 I mean –

07:57:33.040 I was confused about that because the story said a whole year and you were like, what

07:57:35.620 are they doing if they're just going –

07:57:36.620 No, I'm saying if he – for that story, I'm going to answer the question in two parts.

07:57:40.460 When it comes to that dude, if you're just dating her and taking her out to eat and

07:57:45.320 her – and she's agreeing to showing up and eating, that shouldn't compute to you that

07:57:50.360 we're going somewhere.

07:57:51.940 It's possible, but to think it's guaranteed, you're a fool because nothing she did showed

07:57:57.700 you that.

07:57:58.100 She just showed that you're cool enough to feed her.

07:58:00.980 So if he's taking that data and computing that into, well, it felt like, it seemed like,

07:58:05.420 then you're just green, brother.

07:58:07.060 Now, as far as – what's the second part?

07:58:08.880 That's the other thing you said?

07:58:10.240 You said something else.

07:58:10.960 Oh, how many dates does it take for you to throw it off without getting sex?

07:58:16.640 If I talk to you – let's be real.

07:58:19.140 If I'm trying to talk to you, I already assume that I'm looking at you.

07:58:22.460 You can get it.

07:58:23.220 So that doesn't have to be discussed.

07:58:25.180 I'm not –

07:58:26.020 But are you going to get annoyed after a few dates if you don't want them to wait?

07:58:29.200 It depends on what I'm doing, but I wouldn't say annoyed.

07:58:32.020 It's just a vibe.

07:58:33.080 Like, I'm not saying, okay, it's been two weeks.

07:58:35.040 It's like, I'm cool with just us kicking.

07:58:37.440 If you coming over, we kicking it, we watching movies, we calling on my kiss.

07:58:40.820 I'm cool with that because me personally, I like building shit.

07:58:43.400 I like buildup.

07:58:44.520 I like getting that pressure.

07:58:45.120 How long would you wait, though?

07:58:45.900 That's my question.

07:58:46.620 How long would I wait?

07:58:47.660 Okay, that's direct.

07:58:48.320 How long would I wait?

07:58:50.480 I don't know.

07:58:51.400 It just depends on the person.

07:58:52.960 Like, I'm not waiting a year.

07:58:54.420 I'll give you that.

07:58:54.940 I probably could wait, I would say, a month because it's not about I need it so bad.

07:59:01.060 I just know how women operate, and I know that a woman who really wants you is not going to make you wait that long.

07:59:07.240 I might even say, nah, baby, chill, we could wait.

07:59:09.020 But knowing that she wants to do it, it's like, all right, that's more realistic.

07:59:12.200 Because a woman is not going to make you wait that long.

07:59:15.340 You don't have to acquiesce to her advances.

07:59:17.840 But her letting me know she want to do that within a month or two seems a lot more realistic about how I gauge women's interest as opposed to just waiting forever.

07:59:26.240 It's not necessarily that I have to do it when she wants to, but I know how women move.

07:59:31.060 And like she said, she knew right away.

07:59:33.020 Like, women don't move like that.

07:59:34.660 So when I see women going outside of the normal pattern of how women move when they're interested in a man, that's a red flag for me.

07:59:40.900 But do I look at, like, oh, this is the time we got to do it?

07:59:43.180 Nah, just let it vibe and let it happen naturally.

07:59:45.000 Like, let it, I like it, I like the pressure to build to it's like there's nothing left to do but that.

07:59:49.800 We done had great conversations.

07:59:51.300 We done had so many dope outings.

07:59:53.100 And it just happens.

07:59:53.900 Like, I don't, I don't think that's something I'm looking to just have to do.

07:59:57.000 That, yeah, because you said you like purity.

07:59:58.340 That's why I was asking that.

07:59:59.620 I didn't say I like purity.

08:00:01.340 I'm explaining why men do like purity.

08:00:03.780 What I like is a woman who treats me well.

08:00:06.500 And like I said, when I'm speaking, I'm speaking because it's not about me.

08:00:09.960 And that's the problem.

08:00:10.800 People have too many conversations about what I do, what I do.

08:00:12.840 It's not about, I don't represent all men.

08:00:15.120 I represent myself.

08:00:16.420 But I know a lot of men.

08:00:17.520 And I know how the average man thinks.

08:00:19.280 And the average man does want a woman, not, some, for a lot of cases, it's for psychological,

08:00:25.120 because she's been with him physically.

08:00:27.140 That is a part of it.

08:00:28.360 But it's the psychological aspects of a woman who's been with multiple guys.

08:00:34.280 They, they are different.

08:00:35.840 They're a little more altered.

08:00:36.900 They take on that man's energy.

08:00:38.600 And men just don't want to deal with that.

08:00:42.180 Okay.

08:00:42.840 Let me get through these quick here.

08:00:45.060 And then let's see.

08:00:46.700 A couple of you said disagreed to the following statement.

08:00:51.560 Women have equal rights to men.

08:00:54.280 I think you disagreed.

08:00:55.720 I think you disagreed.

08:00:57.500 I think you disagreed.

08:00:59.260 And I think you disagreed.

08:01:00.920 Is that fair recap on that?

08:01:04.780 Right.

08:01:07.240 Yeah.

08:01:07.760 Anybody else disagreed?

08:01:09.180 It was Hannah.

08:01:11.720 Is it Andrea?

08:01:13.220 Andrea.

08:01:14.620 Andrea.

08:01:15.700 Andrea?

08:01:16.500 Andrea.

08:01:17.860 Or no, you actually did not circle that.

08:01:20.820 It was.

08:01:21.380 I want to say, actually, can I change my stance right now?

08:01:24.220 No, it's here.

08:01:24.640 Because we're talking literally and I'm like, oh, no, like technically, literally, we do have

08:01:28.500 equal rights right now.

08:01:29.860 So, Tong J.

08:01:30.760 You said women disagree that women have equal rights to men.

08:01:36.040 It was also Hannah.

08:01:37.480 It was Tierra.

08:01:39.120 We're ignoring mine now, remember?

08:01:40.400 Oh, I guess.

08:01:41.760 Ignore mine.

08:01:42.440 It was because it was the jerk.

08:01:43.320 Hannah, so, quick question for those of you who did say you disagree that women have equal

08:01:48.400 rights to men.

08:01:51.000 What rights do men have that women don't?

08:01:55.280 So, I don't think that the United States is the only country that exists and that's only

08:02:01.580 part of the female population.

08:02:03.300 So, when we're talking about women's rights, it has to encompass the entire world.

08:02:09.340 Well, what about the United States?

08:02:10.400 Well, there's still, for example, like female genital mutilation is still something that's

08:02:18.200 practiced even here in the United States.

08:02:20.200 It's illegal in the United States.

08:02:22.160 It's still practiced, though.

08:02:23.480 It's kind of one of those things.

08:02:24.940 Well, I don't know if this, can I just, I'm going to cut you off just to save you a little

08:02:29.880 bit here.

08:02:30.480 I don't think you want to argue circumcision on this one.

08:02:35.920 I think you're going to have, this is not going to be a productive argument for you,

08:02:40.000 but.

08:02:40.360 Well, I'm just saying that there is lots of, there's lots of things that we could do better.

08:02:46.460 What else is, when it comes to men, though, when it comes to genital mutilation, that's

08:02:50.960 also practiced, right?

08:02:52.160 The difference is one's legal, one's not.

08:02:55.140 Well, one provides like a cleanly.

08:03:00.800 I don't, I don't have any viewpoint on whether or not a baby boy should be circumcised or

08:03:06.180 not.

08:03:06.380 Like, I don't, that's totally up to, I guess, like the father, honestly.

08:03:12.260 Because I don't.

08:03:12.560 It's up to the father?

08:03:13.200 I would say it's up to the father because like, I don't have that appendage.

08:03:15.540 She makes the determination, right?

08:03:19.620 I think like most hospitals like just standardly do it, right?

08:03:22.660 Is it mutilation though?

08:03:23.600 Is it still mutilation?

08:03:24.440 Can, can, the reason why I say female genital mutilation is different is because a lot of

08:03:29.280 times they also remove part of the clitoris, which takes away feeling and stimulation.

08:03:34.040 Same, same thing for, same thing for, this is extremely rare.

08:03:37.540 I never heard this.

08:03:38.340 This is extremely rare, there's perhaps, this is extremely rare occurrence in the United

08:03:43.920 States.

08:03:45.460 When, well, what I was saying at first was not the United States.

08:03:50.760 I was saying the general world.

08:03:52.260 But like, look, I can't, look, I don't, look, I can't talk, I can't have a debate with you

08:03:56.560 about like Ethiopia.

08:03:57.740 I don't know.

08:03:58.440 So we're going to have to talk about the United States.

08:04:00.120 And if, if your position is men and women have equal rights in the United States, I can

08:04:05.020 just move on.

08:04:06.100 But you did cite to, even in the United States, female genital mutilation, but that is outlawed.

08:04:12.580 It is outlawed.

08:04:13.700 Male genital mutilation is not.

08:04:15.640 So I don't think you have a very compelling argument.

08:04:17.480 Well, I wasn't saying that, what I was trying to say.

08:04:22.020 I'm just trying to move things along because the prompt, the prompt is women have equal

08:04:26.980 rights to men.

08:04:27.740 You disagree.

08:04:28.660 The first thing you cited to was something that in actuality, men don't have a right to

08:04:33.960 bodily autonomy when it comes to this.

08:04:36.100 Whereas women do, it's outlawed.

08:04:38.580 Whereas like, this is like wholesale, wholesale done to like the vast majority of men in this

08:04:46.820 country upon birth.

08:04:48.460 So I don't think you have a very strong argument there.

08:04:50.620 Well, what I was initially saying was for the entire world as a worldview.

08:04:55.700 I've already said, I can't, I don't, I can't talk about Mongolia.

08:05:00.200 I can't talk about, we're talking about, I have to.

08:05:03.220 In the United States.

08:05:04.220 Yeah, absolutely.

08:05:05.580 I'm sure, I'm sure that there is thing.

08:05:08.220 I'm sure that there is things that I am not remembering right at the moment.

08:05:12.600 It's not necessarily, I'm sure, I'm sure that there is different, someone else who is

08:05:17.920 more knowledgeable on U.S. laws of, of gender inequality probably would have something to

08:05:25.460 say.

08:05:25.640 I do not at the moment.

08:05:27.860 I know more of different atrocities that happen in the worldwide news.

08:05:33.260 So I will concede to, to your point, I suppose.

08:05:38.060 Okay.

08:05:38.200 Um, what I was initially saying though, is like.

08:05:40.780 Wait, do you concede or are you just saying, well, there, there could be something that

08:05:44.880 exists.

08:05:45.580 I'm not knowledgeable, I'm not knowledgeable enough on that aspect of U.S., of U.S. policies

08:05:51.060 because a lot of times things are changing pretty quickly.

08:05:54.360 That's not something that I, I feel like I necessarily have like the best like argumentative

08:05:59.880 point on.

08:06:00.560 You're right.

08:06:00.920 Um, I think it was on another country.

08:06:04.380 How about you?

08:06:05.300 You said women, you disagree that women have equal rights to men.

08:06:08.440 I was speaking more like in a general worldwide.

08:06:12.500 It didn't specifically.

08:06:13.960 I'll change it to the United States.

08:06:16.260 I mean.

08:06:16.840 It did not say the United States.

08:06:18.160 Okay.

08:06:18.400 So men and women have equal rights in the United States.

08:06:22.280 No, it didn't say the United States.

08:06:23.840 No, no, no.

08:06:24.460 I know.

08:06:25.120 But now I'm asking the clarifying question.

08:06:26.960 You, you think that women do have equal rights in the United States compared to men.

08:06:34.220 Correct.

08:06:35.220 Same with you.

08:06:36.320 I guess it also depends on state because there's state laws and there's national laws.

08:06:41.180 Like, um, for example, women's right to equal pay.

08:06:45.300 That can, that can be different.

08:06:47.160 That's a law.

08:06:48.040 You know, different.

08:06:48.760 What I'm saying is that that could be different from state to state versus national.

08:06:52.980 But there's federal.

08:06:54.120 Yeah.

08:06:54.300 I mean, there's federal law.

08:06:56.300 There's federal, there's federal minimum wage and then there's state minimum wage.

08:07:00.340 Like, there's like, I feel like tons of little niche things that aren't necessarily quite

08:07:06.600 up to par, but.

08:07:09.100 Um, can you give us an example or.

08:07:12.140 Can I, can my phone, can I like, can I like, cause it's the thing is like, I don't know it

08:07:17.000 off the top of my head, but I, but I am.

08:07:19.080 But you believe there is something that out there that exists, but it's just not coming.

08:07:22.760 It's not coming to, to my memory bank at the moment.

08:07:25.380 That's not something that I have.

08:07:26.800 Well, my position is that there is no right that the man has that the woman doesn't actually,

08:07:31.720 you know what?

08:07:32.000 I'll be charitable.

08:07:32.680 The one thing that I can think of and it, it, you know, while I think it's fairly minor,

08:07:37.320 it is technically a right that, uh, it depends on your location that men possess that women

08:07:43.660 don't.

08:07:44.380 Uh, this would be, uh, in certain jurisdictions, men can be topless in public in other areas,

08:07:52.140 men, uh, women, uh, can be topless in public.

08:07:57.800 Some jurisdictions, I guess it's an indecency or something.

08:08:00.860 I don't know.

08:08:01.620 I don't think that's really the pressing issue for most feminists.

08:08:03.980 I think most men would actually be like, oh, okay, let's, uh, equalize.

08:08:07.760 I'm, I'm in favor, bust out the titties.

08:08:10.060 Don't care.

08:08:10.600 I don't think most women want to be like walking around with their titties out to begin with.

08:08:18.100 I'm in favor.

08:08:18.700 I'm a feminist.

08:08:20.400 You want the titties out?

08:08:21.520 You can have the titties out.

08:08:23.040 I will advocate.

08:08:23.920 I will be a feminist.

08:08:25.040 I'll advocate.

08:08:26.100 I mean, I'm more of like a butt guy.

08:08:28.040 So I don't really, you know, I'm more of a labia guy, to be honest, like big labia matter.

08:08:34.040 Like I don't really, but boobs, whatever.

08:08:36.080 Like if the labia is big, that's all that matters.

08:08:38.800 I actually only date women with, okay, anyways, whatever.

08:08:42.080 I just want to say this real quick.

08:08:43.660 Are you also a big labia guy?

08:08:44.800 I know.

08:08:46.480 I plead the fifth.

08:08:48.260 I think it's funny how y'all didn't assume he was talking, y'all assume when he was, you

08:08:53.640 said when he hit you up, you assumed that he was talking about LA.

08:08:56.740 But in this question, you assumed he was talking about the world.

08:08:59.140 It seems like y'all just pick and choose when y'all want to focus on nuance and when you

08:09:03.440 don't.

08:09:04.020 Just to make an argument.

08:09:04.720 I mean, it's like a strategy.

08:09:06.400 Well, I think it was also because I wasn't reached out by the, by the show.

08:09:11.240 Initially, I was, I was, yeah, I was reached out by a different person who was a girl.

08:09:15.960 And based off of her, when I looked at her thing, I thought it was going to be a different

08:09:21.620 We've talked about dating pretty substantially here, I think.

08:09:24.480 I mean.

08:09:24.780 But not in LA specifically, like she was saying.

08:09:26.680 Yeah.

08:09:26.980 Like based off of her profile, I had assumed that.

08:09:29.820 I'll have to see what she sent you.

08:09:31.380 I mean, I have third part, I have third parties who send, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's fine.

08:09:35.760 It's fine.

08:09:36.540 In any case, I do.

08:09:37.160 I will move it on.

08:09:38.260 Um, it was, uh, women have more rights than men.

08:09:46.580 I don't know if we can't linger.

08:09:47.780 Oh, I got things on quickly.

08:09:50.360 Do you want to come back?

08:09:52.360 Oh my God.

08:09:52.900 You know what we could do?

08:09:53.760 Do you want to come, do you want to come back?

08:09:55.240 I'm scared to come back.

08:09:56.440 Oh, she's scared.

08:09:57.220 I'm getting trolled.

08:09:57.640 I'm getting trolled.

08:09:58.260 No, you're killing it.

08:09:59.040 You're doing fine.

08:09:59.640 You only did it once, you can do it again.

08:10:00.900 And you have more to add.

08:10:02.180 And you're from here, you might as well.

08:10:04.160 You're bored one day.

08:10:05.120 Yeah, you did, you were great.

08:10:06.260 Okay.

08:10:06.500 Yeah.

08:10:07.240 You're tough.

08:10:07.940 You did a really good job.

08:10:09.340 So, let's see, there's, uh, are you, are you a feminist?

08:10:12.220 I feel like I overexposed myself.

08:10:13.460 No, I really do.

08:10:14.360 As long as your boyfriend's okay.

08:10:15.180 Are you a, are you a feminist?

08:10:16.560 Um, I would consider myself, I think, I think everyone here would assume that I consider

08:10:23.780 myself.

08:10:24.100 Who else is a feminist?

08:10:26.420 Feminist, feminist, feminist.

08:10:27.760 Oh, wow.

08:10:28.560 Feminist.

08:10:29.920 Can someone, wait, like, what is, depends on the definition of, I think, I would say you

08:10:37.860 fall in the category of a, like a neo-feminist, which I don't.

08:10:42.320 She's a neo-Nazi, what?

08:10:43.500 No one.

08:10:44.700 I can see that.

08:10:45.480 Are you a German heritage or something?

08:10:47.400 But, definitely not.

08:10:49.260 Do I agree with, like, equal rights?

08:10:51.920 Yeah.

08:10:52.260 But do I also think that women have a, have a place and that place should be respected

08:10:57.020 as a female in that mindset of typical female traits?

08:11:01.980 Yes.

08:11:03.060 Feminists might hate that about me and how I feel about a traditional.

08:11:07.400 What is that place?

08:11:08.080 Yeah, you seem pretty based.

08:11:09.200 Really?

08:11:09.680 Yeah, probably.

08:11:10.440 Okay.

08:11:10.720 Fuck it.

08:11:11.160 I'm not.

08:11:11.500 Old school feminists is a way different definition.

08:11:13.680 Yeah.

08:11:14.000 Like, I feel like I'm a humanist, but I feel like that should be.

08:11:16.700 What is the, the place?

08:11:18.920 Wait, the place?

08:11:20.180 Yeah.

08:11:20.640 You said you feel like women have a place.

08:11:22.920 What is the place?

08:11:24.180 Homemaker, right?

08:11:25.080 Like.

08:11:25.500 No, not necessarily.

08:11:26.760 There's options.

08:11:27.600 There's choices.

08:11:28.220 But, like, at the end of the day, I think biologically, there is a natural air of a womanhood and

08:11:37.680 what we say we expect from a man, from a relationship.

08:11:41.280 I'm not saying this is every single one of you guys.

08:11:44.180 I'm not saying that about every single person.

08:11:46.360 I'm saying, but from the issues it seems like we've discussed, there's this expectation of

08:11:50.640 what we want from a man in a relationship.

08:11:53.220 And that puts us, we need to be accountable in our awareness of how we present ourselves

08:11:58.820 and what the expectation is from a man is the expectation from a man to us as a woman

08:12:05.100 and the place as a female that we reside in to accept, like, accept.

08:12:11.860 Yeah, because on the flip side, if we thought, like, women, y'all wouldn't like us.

08:12:16.020 Like, in other words, if we felt like, you know what, I can come outside and just wear

08:12:18.980 what the hell I want to wear.

08:12:20.060 I'm still a man.

08:12:20.780 You're going to be like, nah, you're not.

08:12:22.360 So we got to be fair.

08:12:23.960 There's certain things we have to do that's expected of the opposite sex.

08:12:27.180 You don't have to act yes and be, bow down and kiss every man's ass.

08:12:30.420 But you're going to judge a man who comes out in flip-flops every day with a tank top.

08:12:36.440 Like, you're not going to say, well, who am I to judge him?

08:12:39.020 You're not going to find that appealing.

08:12:40.960 You're not going to see that as masculine.

08:12:43.100 So same thing with women.

08:12:44.800 We see you dress a certain way.

08:12:46.020 We're not going to – we expect a certain basic decorum between the sexes.

08:12:50.040 I think it keeps things civil.

08:12:51.740 I think trying to prove a point and be extreme on both sides is just a waste of time,

08:12:56.820 and it's really hurting the future generations because they're watching us.

08:12:59.640 I think I would beg to differ on the guy with the flip-flops.

08:13:04.920 You say what?

08:13:05.620 I would beg to differ.

08:13:07.440 I mean, I'm sure you would beg to differ on damn everything I say.

08:13:10.580 But –

08:13:11.340 Do you have a body type preference?

08:13:12.920 Wait.

08:13:13.360 Just don't be overweight.

08:13:14.940 You know, you can have a little pudge.

08:13:16.280 Like, I'm not looking for perfection.

08:13:17.740 Just be, you know –

08:13:19.280 Healthy.

08:13:20.120 Decent, you know what I mean?

08:13:20.980 I'm not into real, real big girls.

08:13:21.940 But then you have to see that through, like, what they wear, right?

08:13:23.820 You know?

08:13:24.160 So if a guy –

08:13:25.560 If they're that big, yeah.

08:13:26.760 You know what I'm saying?

08:13:27.500 But if you –

08:13:28.300 It's level.

08:13:29.960 Some women can kind of hide their little courage.

08:13:32.400 But some women are so big, no matter what they wear.

08:13:34.280 But I'm just not into big women.

08:13:35.760 You know what I'm saying?

08:13:36.180 I'm not big.

08:13:36.920 I'm not –

08:13:37.640 If I can't do this to your waist, you're too big.

08:13:39.460 Like, I can't –

08:13:40.020 If I got to do this, I'm good.

08:13:41.760 I'm getting slapped.

08:13:42.260 So if a guy is a surfer, bro, and he's at the beach –

08:13:45.120 That's different.

08:13:45.740 He's at the beach.

08:13:46.480 I'm talking about if you're handling –

08:13:48.060 Come on, sweetheart.

08:13:48.500 He's an avid traveler.

08:13:49.040 I'm talking about if you're a grown man in the store.

08:13:51.520 Like, when I see grown men with their families, and you got your wife, and you got your kids,

08:13:55.640 and you're slapping around the house sounding like Nana walking behind me,

08:13:58.600 you know, that's some goofy-ass shit.

08:13:59.940 That's not manly to me.

08:14:01.600 Because, first of all, if some shit pop off, how you going to get busy with some flip-flops?

08:14:05.320 I'm going to step on your toes and get busy.

08:14:07.000 So that's dumb.

08:14:07.720 That's not protective.

08:14:08.580 It's not putting yourself in a protective way.

08:14:10.180 But like you said, like you're doing, like, I feel like you just – you just want to –

08:14:13.900 you just – you're doing some – you're on some power struggle.

08:14:16.000 I'm not on that track.

08:14:17.120 I am not on a power struggle.

08:14:18.020 You are, sweetheart.

08:14:18.960 What about the surfer, bro?

08:14:20.020 A surfer, bro.

08:14:20.560 He's on the beach.

08:14:21.660 I just don't understand what's wrong with it.

08:14:24.460 I just explained it.

08:14:25.520 If you're a man, and you're out – if you're out by yourself, do what you want.

08:14:29.080 I just don't think it's becoming of a man to walk around with house shoes.

08:14:32.980 It's just goofy.

08:14:34.460 It never was cool, and it's not cool now.

08:14:36.680 It's cool for women like you.

08:14:38.160 You know why?

08:14:38.720 Because women like you would love to change the narrative of men because it would fit your ego.

08:14:43.980 But in reality, a man should not be outside as a warrior, as a protective man, not of just people, of his fucking self, with his toes exposed.

08:14:53.040 You're a grown man.

08:14:53.540 I have a good question.

08:14:54.440 Please don't put words in my mouth.

08:14:55.840 I don't got to.

08:14:56.660 With the provocative clothing, like, for example, if I go to hot yoga or something,

08:14:59.840 and I want to wear leggings and a sports bra because I'm sweating really bad, but it reveals my body as that –

08:15:04.760 Say it again.

08:15:05.260 Repeat it.

08:15:05.600 I'm sorry.

08:15:06.380 For the provocative clothing topic, if I want to go to my hot yoga class and I have to wear leggings and a sports bra,

08:15:13.080 is it provocative to do that because I need to because I'm, like, sweating out all my toxins?

08:15:16.620 But it's a hot yoga class.

08:15:18.820 What if I'm walking in like that?

08:15:19.940 He means just what's your intention and what you're wearing?

08:15:22.300 Like, if you're, like, going to the gym, like, you can wear what you want to be comfortable.

08:15:25.580 But if you're, like, wearing a bra at the grocery store, then, like, what is your intent to wear a bra at the grocery store?

08:15:31.220 Exactly.

08:15:31.480 If I'm out with my children, I'm out with my wife, I don't want to be flipping, flopping around.

08:15:36.520 It's just stupid.

08:15:37.700 You're not ready to move.

08:15:39.120 You're not ready to run.

08:15:40.200 You're not even physically able to move at a certain pace if something pops off with flip-flops on.

08:15:45.740 What the fuck is he talking about?

08:15:47.080 Like, if a fight, if it's a terrorist attack.

08:15:49.660 You got on some Nike flip-flops?

08:15:51.200 You can't be having flip-flops.

08:15:52.800 What, your kids?

08:15:54.140 Come on, we flopping outside.

08:15:55.800 They're going to walk.

08:15:56.400 You're done.

08:15:57.020 That's crazy.

08:15:57.860 You sound like Nana.

08:15:58.740 When I hear flip-flops, I be thinking, that sound like Nana walking behind me, bro.

08:16:02.020 Not no grown-ass, man.

08:16:03.140 Me, personally, I don't like grown men walking outside with flip-flops.

08:16:05.780 It's only cool because women said it's cool, and dudes who care that much about women liking them will do that shit.

08:16:11.520 But I'm not one of those dudes.

08:16:12.540 I'm going to stand up for what's real, whether women like that shit or not.

08:16:14.920 Guys, we're going to do this.

08:16:15.800 Guys, we don't have time for a proper roast session.

08:16:18.620 We're going to do a $69 TTS roast session if you guys want, just because if it's like $20, $30, we're going to be here all night.

08:16:26.520 So we're going to do a $69 TTS roast session if you want.

08:16:29.780 You can get it in.

08:16:30.880 $69 TTS roast session.

08:16:33.020 While those are coming in, we're going to hit a couple more points, then we're going to wrap up the show here.

08:16:37.340 So we were talking about, like, feminism.

08:16:40.400 Oh, really quick.

08:16:43.580 I don't know.

08:16:43.900 War came up earlier.

08:16:44.600 Do you, would you, you're a feminist, right?

08:16:47.580 Would you be in, you believe in equality, right?

08:16:49.660 Yeah.

08:16:49.820 Because one of the prompts here is, it says, feminism is not about equality.

08:16:53.840 You disagreed about that.

08:16:57.580 Would you, do you believe in, like, for example, currently the military, military conscription, selective service, the draft?

08:17:04.760 Do you think women should be, have to be drafted?

08:17:08.420 Well, here's my thing.

08:17:09.600 I don't like the draft for men or women.

08:17:11.960 I don't think either one should have to be drafted.

08:17:15.280 I don't think that you should have to potentially die against your will.

08:17:19.500 That's, that's my thing.

08:17:20.540 But given the reality that men do have to register for the selective service, should women equally have to register?

08:17:27.300 I, I suppose if, if, I suppose yes.

08:17:32.120 Yeah.

08:17:32.400 But in a perfect world, I don't think that there should be.

08:17:34.720 But the world's not perfect.

08:17:35.520 Yeah.

08:17:35.660 Like, there's military conflicts.

08:17:37.000 Yes, yes.

08:17:37.300 Yeah.

08:17:37.780 Okay.

08:17:38.920 Lots of my friends actually willingly went into the military.

08:17:42.560 Yeah, they volunteered.

08:17:43.320 Yeah, yeah, they volunteered.

08:17:46.300 And, you know, they, they had probably not the best experiences in, in the military as women.

08:17:55.560 But that being said, I fully supported their choice to want to join.

08:18:02.440 I was super excited for them to want to join the military.

08:18:05.320 So I feel like I would have the same level of excitement for a woman to join the military as a guy.

08:18:10.900 Yeah, but it's forced.

08:18:11.320 Yes, I, I, I disliked both of those.

08:18:14.020 But if I'm saying, if there was a situation where I would be happy for a friend of mine to be enlisted.

08:18:18.600 Okay, but so currently the, currently the laws when it comes to selective service, women are excluded from having to register for the draft.

08:18:25.040 You would be in favor of equalizing this so women could also be in some wartime scenario, they could be drafted.

08:18:30.200 You're in favor of this.

08:18:32.660 You'd have to be to believe in equality, wouldn't you?

08:18:36.020 I would be in favor of doing away with the draft.

08:18:38.640 Yeah, but that's not possible.

08:18:39.580 Why?

08:18:40.060 Why is that not possible?

08:18:41.320 Because if we went to war, we need someone to fight a war.

08:18:43.840 Okay, so governments, so governments and nations, they're not going to relinquish their right to force its citizenry into a military conflict if the nation needs to be defended.

08:18:54.620 Okay, let me ask you a question, right?

08:18:56.220 Here's a hypothetical scenario.

08:18:57.760 There is a invading army.

08:19:00.840 I don't know, China, I don't know, whatever.

08:19:03.780 Hypothetical.

08:19:05.460 Let's not, I'm not even going to say a nation, forget China.

08:19:08.980 This invading army is super belligerent.

08:19:12.160 And the values of this invading country are totally contradictory to the values of the United States.

08:19:18.720 So, for example, they're like, they're slavery.

08:19:24.080 And they, if they do invade the country and they win, they're going to essay all the women in the country.

08:19:32.720 Would you agree that, and here's the scenario, if the government, if the United States forces its males to fight the war, that's going to be a tragedy, it's going to be terrible for the men.

08:19:46.340 Many men are going to die, but they will repel this attack from this nation.

08:19:53.480 If they don't force the men into military service, because let's assume, like, the men are not willing to for whatever reason.

08:20:01.980 The other nation will have a victory in the military conflict.

08:20:06.460 They're going to kill all the men in the population anyways, and they're going to essay all the women.

08:20:11.840 Do you think that the government should then be able to force its citizenry to fight the war?

08:20:20.480 I think in this situation, I would agree that both female and male, like, U.S. citizens should be—

08:20:28.100 No, just men.

08:20:29.140 Wait, what?

08:20:29.740 Just men.

08:20:30.820 No, your first question was, do you think that women should also have to join the draft?

08:20:35.000 In that situation, yes.

08:20:35.820 Oh, I see what you're saying.

08:20:36.560 Yes.

08:20:36.720 Yes.

08:20:37.380 I would agree, because there's plenty of countries that it is unisex for the draft.

08:20:40.960 Right, but you—well, not very many.

08:20:43.200 It's pretty rare, but in any case.

08:20:45.760 So the question is, though, you were arguing, well, it shouldn't be this way.

08:20:51.220 So I was presenting to you a scenario where, like, well, should it be this way in this scenario?

08:20:56.520 What I was saying is I would hope that it wouldn't have to—

08:21:02.040 Yeah, but, like, I wish there was world peace and all this stuff, right?

08:21:05.900 But the reality is there's violence.

08:21:09.320 If it was forced and we had an—like, someone trying to invade us, then yes, I would agree that—and we had to do the draft that both women and men who are healthy and don't—

08:21:20.020 No, it would just be men in this example.

08:21:21.940 Oh, wait.

08:21:22.580 Okay.

08:21:22.880 It would just be men.

08:21:23.560 I'm having a separate conversation because you're like, oh, the draft shouldn't exist.

08:21:28.560 But I'm like, okay, how about in this scenario, should the draft exist?

08:21:32.860 Okay, in the situation that we're being actively invaded and not enough people have signed up, then yes, I suppose—

08:21:39.420 They have to force men to fight.

08:21:40.600 Then we have to force people to fight.

08:21:44.000 Yeah.

08:21:45.120 Okay.

08:21:45.340 And I would say in that situation, both men and women should be in the draft.

08:21:50.680 Wait, you disagree?

08:21:51.560 I disagree.

08:21:52.320 Okay.

08:21:52.780 So just to be clear—

08:21:54.040 I disagree with her is what I'm saying, only because—with the fact that both men and women should fight.

08:21:59.140 But I said I'm not for really feminism.

08:22:02.400 I'm a girl's girl.

08:22:02.900 Oh, you don't want to fight.

08:22:04.480 I don't want to fight.

08:22:05.340 And not only that, if you look in history, if women were there during the war, we were all just graped.

08:22:13.960 And that's how other cultures and stuff started.

08:22:16.480 Like, usually they just use us as a tool.

08:22:19.100 We don't fight.

08:22:19.920 We don't do anything.

08:22:20.760 We're just property to another country.

08:22:22.780 Well, I mean—

08:22:23.540 The reason why I was saying that they should is because if we are being actively invaded,

08:22:28.360 I would be thinking about all of the younger girls that would be essayed versus me.

08:22:36.080 You know, like, if we're talking about actively being invaded—

08:22:38.680 Do you think, though—I mean, I'm taking it in a bit of a different direction.

08:22:42.340 But, like, in the scenario that I presented, you agree that the men should be drafted?

08:22:48.320 Yes.

08:22:49.320 Okay.

08:22:49.840 And I said in that situation, I also agree that women should be drafted.

08:22:53.660 Yes.

08:22:53.920 Okay.

08:22:54.240 So you do think that women should be drafted, then, in reality?

08:22:58.480 Yes.

08:22:59.060 In that very rare circumstance of that happening.

08:23:02.580 But—so the current reality is that men are subject to forced military conscription.

08:23:07.800 They have to register for the Selective Service.

08:23:09.460 It's a felony if they don't register.

08:23:11.340 There's a fine.

08:23:12.180 They're barred from certain federal programs.

08:23:14.020 They can't get student financial aid.

08:23:15.740 There's a couple other—they can't get certain federal jobs.

08:23:18.200 There's some other ramifications that aren't immediately coming to my head.

08:23:21.680 But this is a—this is only applicable to men.

08:23:25.260 Only men can be subject to military conscription.

08:23:28.120 Even in peacetime, currently, we're—well, I mean, there's kind of some military conflicts going on in the world.

08:23:33.560 The U.S. is not—

08:23:36.120 And, okay, in any case, you believe, for the sake of equality, as a feminist, right, shouldn't women also be subject to military conscription?

08:23:47.020 Yes.

08:23:48.140 In the situation that you had listed.

08:23:51.560 But I don't—

08:23:52.180 No, no.

08:23:52.560 Just the current—okay, that was, like, I used an extreme example.

08:23:56.280 I used an extreme example.

08:23:58.440 I'm just asking, in the current, should they be equally subject to military conscription?

08:24:04.480 And I'll even grant to you that most of these women are probably not going to—like, just the reality of warfare.

08:24:09.880 They're going to be like—I read something once.

08:24:13.840 To have one person in combat requires eight support people.

08:24:18.540 So to have one person in combat requires eight support people.

08:24:21.080 We don't even have to put the women in combat.

08:24:23.220 They can be doing pencil pusher shit.

08:24:24.840 They can be in support roles.

08:24:26.160 Far from the front line.

08:24:28.700 Should they be forced into military conscription the way men are?

08:24:32.880 Yes.

08:24:33.320 If we are talking about a draft, it should be both parties.

08:24:37.140 Okay, cool.

08:24:38.040 I do have one kind of different direction thing here with this.

08:24:41.780 Do you think that—how about this scenario?

08:24:45.700 There is—we can see into the future.

08:24:48.800 Okay.

08:24:49.200 Okay.

08:24:49.480 We can see 20 years into the future.

08:24:51.460 And we know in 20 years that same army that I described, that nation who's barbaric and who's going to kill all the men and basically make the women slaves and SA them.

08:25:01.320 Um, we can see the future.

08:25:03.440 And we say, uh, our population is not big enough to thwart this threat.

08:25:09.100 Now, the only way that we can stop this threat is if we draft the women, not—not to fight the war, but to birth children—hold on—to birth children so that in 18, 19, 20 years' time, when they're fighting age, we can repel the enemy.

08:25:30.560 Do you think we should be able to conscript—do you think we should be able to—I know it's kind of like a crazy hypothetical.

08:25:38.620 Do you think we should be able to conscript women in the same way that we can currently conscript men to be forced to go die in war?

08:25:46.000 Or should we be able to conscript women to—who otherwise—some women would volunteer.

08:25:51.980 Yes.

08:25:52.560 I will find men and I will have children because I don't want us to be all killed and SAID.

08:25:58.520 Some women, though, we have to force some women to have children.

08:26:03.800 No.

08:26:04.300 Would you make that trade?

08:26:05.400 Um, no.

08:26:06.480 Because—because—

08:26:08.000 Go ahead.

08:26:08.480 No, no, go ahead.

08:26:10.100 There are lots of countries that have implemented, um, strategies to try and increase birth rate, and the United States has done none of those measures.

08:26:20.440 So I think if we did, then that would—you wouldn't have to force anyone, you know, give free childcare, give incentives, make it to where they—it doesn't cost—

08:26:30.300 The hypothetical scenario—

08:26:31.480 Money.

08:26:31.940 The hypothetical scenario entails that this invading nation will win the war in 20 years' time, because we can see in the future, will win the war in 20 years' time, unless, like, all women birth, like, two children in the next two years.

08:26:48.140 That—that is such a—honestly a ridiculous argument.

08:26:52.220 It's—

08:26:52.660 Well, it's like, engage with it.

08:26:54.360 What I'm—what I'm saying is—is no, no, that is absolutely so immorally wrong to force someone to be pregnant.

08:27:03.300 It is—it—it—it would be a form of sexual assault, if—if I am not correct, because you're forcing—

08:27:10.660 So the alternative is that they end up getting sexually assaulted anyways, and all the men are put to death.

08:27:15.780 And that should be their choice, I suppose.

08:27:18.440 It should be women's choice?

08:27:19.620 It should be women's choice.

08:27:20.180 So then why should it be the government's choice to—as it currently is?

08:27:23.420 Why can the government force men to go and die in a war?

08:27:26.960 I don't want them to force them.

08:27:28.380 You should be associated with either one.

08:27:29.900 Yeah, I don't agree with that.

08:27:31.220 No, but it's just—

08:27:32.080 No, but it's like the reality.

08:27:35.980 There's plenty of things that should—that are a reality that can be changed if we decide to act on it.

08:27:43.060 It would require total consensus from every single person in the world for war to end.

08:27:51.000 I want to say, we'd have to take people off our front lines.

08:27:52.900 It's just—

08:27:53.460 Okay, okay.

08:27:54.780 So it's just like a—it's a sticky situation.

08:27:56.560 It's just interesting to me, like, so you as a woman, because in the scenario I provided before, I said, just draft the men.

08:28:03.000 Just draft the men into that war.

08:28:04.320 You're like, well, yes, of course.

08:28:06.140 We should take away men's bodily autonomy.

08:28:08.500 No, I didn't say that.

08:28:09.460 That's literally—you said yes.

08:28:10.540 I said men and women.

08:28:12.000 I said both should be drafted.

08:28:13.660 I never said that only men should be drafted.

08:28:15.680 Yeah, but the scenario—I mean, the—

08:28:17.940 One is involving sex, and that's also a big difference.

08:28:21.080 Yeah, but the—oh, my goodness.

08:28:23.540 The difference is—the difference is that even if women get drafted, just the reality of warfare, they're not going to put women on the front line.

08:28:33.600 Even if they do get drafted.

08:28:36.540 So there's a differential when it comes to bodily autonomy.

08:28:44.600 Okay.

08:28:46.220 Okay, yeah, yeah.

08:28:47.040 Forcing people to have children and taking away their right to be able to, like, live the life that they want to so that you can control a potential war in the future.

08:29:01.140 It's not a potential war, it's a—

08:29:03.520 It's just—there's so many hypotheticals on top of hypotheticals.

08:29:06.900 I know it's a crazy hypothetical.

08:29:08.300 I know it's a crazy hypothetical, but it's like—

08:29:10.540 I think most people would rather just leave the United States and leave it to fucking burn, to be honest.

08:29:17.040 Most women.

08:29:18.500 So, okay, just to be clear here, the entailment, though, of the scenario is some women get forced into having children.

08:29:28.980 Bear in mind, they can, like, still try to find a guy that they would want to have sex with.

08:29:32.880 They have to have these children, whereas if they don't, then all the women get essayed anyways, and then all the men get put to death.

08:29:47.700 If it was like—if an alert came out tomorrow on the global news or on national TV and was like, every woman of 25 and older needs to have two children within the next five years, I'd pack up my shit and leave.

08:30:06.580 I would leave, and I think a lot of women would.

08:30:08.020 Okay, let's assume you're looking for a little loophole here.

08:30:12.340 Because you've given me an impossible situation, and the answer is no.

08:30:15.980 There is no situation in which forcing a woman to carry something that she doesn't want to or forcing her to have sex when she doesn't want to is, in any situation, ever redeemable.

08:30:26.400 Can I ask you a question?

08:30:27.260 How about a different scenario?

08:30:28.100 There's one woman left on Earth, and she doesn't want to have sex.

08:30:36.180 So then the world fucking dies out.

08:30:38.880 I'm glad you're saying this, because when she's proven that you're not leaders, we are.

08:30:43.240 Because when push comes to shove, if you have to do something outside of your natural will for the greater good, you won't do it.

08:30:50.220 And that's cool, but that's just what it is.

08:30:52.060 Because men—no, that's exactly what you're doing.

08:30:55.080 Because if you—if the fate of the country is based on you just saying, hey, we don't want you to allow yourself to get assaulted.

08:31:01.820 Because women—you see couples that may have a surrogate where the wife can't get pregnant, and she'll have sex with another guy because he can impregnate her.

08:31:09.220 Women do that all the time.

08:31:10.540 So, am I lying?

08:31:12.180 Women have—some women—men might be sterile, or they might have a surrogate, or a man that can, you know, they'll use his semen to impregnate the wife.

08:31:19.920 Sometimes, too—

08:31:20.920 I'm just—I'm just—what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, women have been in positions where she had sex with someone that's not her choice or her mate for the greater good of something.

08:31:32.580 It may be to have a child with her gay lover or with her man who's impotent.

08:31:37.380 So that's her allowing her body to be entered for her personal benefit.

08:31:41.920 But when it comes to the benefit of the greater good, she won't do it.

08:31:46.040 Well, it's about choice.

08:31:48.040 We know, and you made a choice to not be a leader.

08:31:51.300 Own it!

08:31:52.540 I—well, okay.

08:31:54.260 First of all, we're saying the last woman on planet Earth—

08:31:58.300 Now, I was talking about the other scenario when he said, we need people.

08:32:01.700 We're being invaded.

08:32:03.200 We need children.

08:32:03.980 We need young men.

08:32:04.080 So then you look to your allies.

08:32:05.380 We have military alliances for a reason.

08:32:07.860 You gotta—

08:32:08.260 Own it!

08:32:08.680 You gotta engage with a hypothetical, though.

08:32:10.780 You can't be like, well, you know, there's—okay.

08:32:13.240 Well, we have these set hypotheticals for these type of, you know, talks, but, like, you know, I didn't know this was gonna be a question.

08:32:19.560 I could have come up with a bunch of hypotheticals for this question to shoot right back at you if I had time.

08:32:23.640 Right, but the entailment—the entailment—well, you leave, the allies, whatever.

08:32:29.980 The entailment requires that the woman would have to do this thing in order to, like, save all the other women.

08:32:39.580 And future women.

08:32:40.360 And then the future women, and then all the men, too.

08:32:42.620 And I can guarantee that there would be women to pick that up if that came to be, because they would recognize that.

08:32:49.700 But forcing a woman who does not want to help and does not want to do that, that's her body.

08:32:55.980 And you shouldn't force it the same way that the draft shouldn't be forced.

08:32:59.700 It's my same opinion is that it should not be forced.

08:33:01.920 Right, the draft should not—well, I mean, the government—

08:33:05.360 If Pearl Harbor was happening, like, right now again in 2024, and we were having a constant onslaught—

08:33:12.620 When was Pearl Harbor, by the way?

08:33:14.280 Like, 1948.

08:33:16.160 I want to say, like, 48.

08:33:17.300 No, no, it was—I want to say it was, like, 53 or 45, 46.

08:33:23.860 No.

08:33:24.880 Wait, 1946.

08:33:26.560 Are you thinking of the Korean War?

08:33:28.100 Like, Pearl Harbor?

08:33:30.380 Oh, boy.

08:33:31.340 You know what?

08:33:32.220 Okay, yeah, yeah, all right.

08:33:35.020 It's been a long time.

08:33:37.500 Really quick.

08:33:38.080 We don't have the exact dates.

08:33:39.180 I'm moving on.

08:33:40.180 By the way, guys, this scenario I provided, I just want to make it clear.

08:33:45.340 I'm not in any way in favor of that scenario ever playing out.

08:33:50.860 I don't think that should ever be the case.

08:33:52.780 It's simply a really insane thought experiment to have.

08:33:59.120 When was World War II?

08:34:01.220 Are you serious?

08:34:06.080 1960s.

08:34:06.700 Yep.

08:34:07.200 Okay.

08:34:07.780 Yeah, I just want to go with that.

08:34:08.940 Oh, I'm not confirming or denying, but 1960s.

08:34:11.700 Okay.

08:34:12.100 60s, yeah.

08:34:12.500 Just do decade.

08:34:13.220 What decade?

08:34:13.740 World War II?

08:34:14.480 I think it's, like—wait.

08:34:15.880 Okay.

08:34:16.480 It's 1940s.

08:34:17.660 I think it's the 40s.

08:34:18.860 Okay.

08:34:19.300 Yeah, it's the 40s.

08:34:20.000 I have no idea.

08:34:20.900 Guess.

08:34:21.340 Guess.

08:34:21.620 I don't know.

08:34:22.800 Okay.

08:34:23.400 Somewhere around what they said.

08:34:25.940 Guess.

08:34:26.900 Throughout the decade.

08:34:31.940 Okay.

08:34:32.640 What about you?

08:34:33.340 My grandpa was in World War II.

08:34:35.980 W?

08:34:37.100 40s.

08:34:37.900 Or sorry.

08:34:38.740 I don't know.

08:34:39.260 Sorry.

08:34:39.880 You didn't die in it.

08:34:42.400 Yes, get me.

08:34:43.460 I don't know.

08:34:44.640 Guess.

08:34:45.840 The 40s.

08:34:46.680 Okay, that was beautiful.

08:34:48.600 All right.

08:34:49.280 Okay, I'm moving on.

08:34:50.340 Wait, what's the answer?

08:34:52.400 1939 to 1945.

08:34:54.440 Oh, I said 45.

08:34:56.740 You said 56.

08:34:57.920 I said, no, because I got the number switch.

08:35:00.080 I said—

08:35:00.520 Oh, okay.

08:35:01.100 Let's play this back.

08:35:02.660 I did say two options.

08:35:03.340 Last thing with the war.

08:35:04.680 Last thing with the war.

08:35:06.580 Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?

08:35:09.940 In that war?

08:35:11.160 Or—

08:35:11.360 No, any—all wars, any war?

08:35:14.600 Are we talking about just casualty, like deaths?

08:35:18.360 Just total, totality.

08:35:20.860 Okay.

08:35:21.780 Pro—

08:35:22.080 Probably—

08:35:23.460 It depends on the war, but I guess—

08:35:26.560 How about the Ukraine war?

08:35:28.680 It would be men.

08:35:30.400 World War II.

08:35:30.980 Are we talking about all of the Jews that died?

08:35:35.260 Because I don't know.

08:35:35.980 There was a lot of women that died.

08:35:38.200 They're all men.

08:35:40.320 That's hard.

08:35:40.940 That's hard with that one.

08:35:41.980 I don't know.

08:35:42.960 It's all men.

08:35:44.080 It's all men.

08:35:44.760 It's all men.

08:35:45.800 Men?

08:35:46.160 That's the answer.

08:35:47.100 Men.

08:35:49.500 Okay.

08:35:49.940 Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?

08:35:51.600 Men.

08:35:53.300 I guess men.

08:35:54.320 I don't know.

08:35:54.840 They're already answered.

08:35:55.580 They're all men.

08:35:56.120 Oh, okay.

08:35:56.980 Men.

08:35:57.840 Men.

08:35:58.440 And you already answered.

08:35:59.500 Okay.

08:36:00.760 Let's see here.

08:36:02.180 Oh, okay.

08:36:02.600 I swear, it's like three more questions.

08:36:06.280 Okay.

08:36:09.760 You can be sexist towards men.

08:36:14.760 Yes.

08:36:15.320 We've all sat here and pretty much did it.

08:36:16.920 You said yes?

08:36:17.540 Yeah.

08:36:17.820 I said yes.

08:36:18.980 We all sat here and pretty much did it in the beginning.

08:36:20.840 No.

08:36:20.860 Because to be sexist, you have to be coming from a position of power.

08:36:23.900 Prejudice plus power.

08:36:25.640 That thing.

08:36:26.920 What about you?

08:36:28.020 What?

08:36:28.660 Can you be sexist towards men?

08:36:29.680 Yeah.

08:36:30.980 Yeah.

08:36:32.140 Can you explain the prejudice plus power thing?

08:36:34.600 Well, it's like, for example, racism.

08:36:38.380 Yeah.

08:36:38.540 To be racist, technically, you have to be coming from a position of power.

08:36:42.520 Me.

08:36:43.160 Perseize power.

08:36:43.800 That's not true.

08:36:44.760 Me doing something that may be hurtful to you would not be technically racist.

08:36:54.700 Prejudice.

08:36:55.700 Wrong.

08:36:56.460 Immoral.

08:36:57.560 Yes.

08:36:58.260 But racist?

08:36:59.380 No.

08:36:59.760 I have a question.

08:37:00.520 No.

08:37:00.680 So, if someone says, like, a racial slur to you, does that not make them racist because

08:37:06.040 it didn't hurt your feelings?

08:37:07.080 Is that what you're saying?

08:37:07.960 That's not what I'm saying.

08:37:10.460 I'm saying the person that...

08:37:11.660 Maybe I heard it wrong.

08:37:12.700 The person that is portraying or eliciting these things, they have to be coming from a

08:37:19.500 position of power.

08:37:20.920 So, I don't mean necessarily...

08:37:22.200 Here, let me do a quick example to try to move things along here.

08:37:25.300 Okay.

08:37:25.660 Barack Obama, when he was president, he had a white janitor.

08:37:30.220 This is hypothetical.

08:37:31.720 He didn't...

08:37:32.160 This isn't actually real.

08:37:34.260 Systemic power.

08:37:35.200 Sorry.

08:37:35.640 Yeah, yeah.

08:37:35.820 That's what I mean by power.

08:37:36.400 So, Barack Obama, when he was president, he had a white janitor.

08:37:39.160 He fires the white janitor because he...

08:37:43.180 The janitor was white.

08:37:44.800 Is that racist?

08:37:46.140 It's prejudice.

08:37:47.300 Wrong.

08:37:48.000 Wrong.

08:37:48.220 Wait, hold on.

08:37:48.700 You just said the definition of racism is prejudice plus power.

08:37:54.260 Systemic power.

08:37:55.700 Yeah, the system of the executive branch of the United States government, which is the

08:37:59.800 most powerful country in the world?

08:38:01.440 African-American people do not have systemic power.

08:38:04.800 Overall, we do not have systemic power.

08:38:06.580 Is that...

08:38:07.060 Okay, hold on.

08:38:07.540 Mexican-Americans do not have systemic power.

08:38:09.680 It's not racist.

08:38:10.860 It's wrong.

08:38:12.020 It's not racist.

08:38:12.960 Barack Obama.

08:38:14.000 African-American?

08:38:14.900 Yes or no?

08:38:16.040 Yes.

08:38:16.560 Okay.

08:38:17.020 Barack Obama, president, most powerful man in the world, and of the most power...

08:38:23.860 President, leader of the most powerful country in the world?

08:38:26.960 He's in a place of power, but he does not have systemic power.

08:38:30.700 What do you mean?

08:38:31.020 He literally controls the government system.

08:38:32.980 He's the...

08:38:33.940 You know...

08:38:34.400 Let me ask you a question.

08:38:35.940 Is the executive branch of the government a system?

08:38:39.300 Yes.

08:38:41.780 Is Barack Obama an African-American man?

08:38:45.500 Okay.

08:38:46.040 No, no, no.

08:38:46.480 You got to answer the question.

08:38:47.600 Yes, yes.

08:38:48.160 Okay, so the executive branch of the government is a system.

08:38:54.780 Barack Obama, an African-American man, was the leader of a system, the executive branch.

08:39:05.060 How is that not a system?

08:39:06.180 Let me give you another example.

08:39:08.140 So, if I have a boss, and he is Latino, and he fires me because he's black, just because he is higher up than me does not mean that that was racist.

08:39:17.760 It was wrong.

08:39:18.840 It wasn't right.

08:39:19.980 He would get in trouble for it, but...

08:39:21.820 Wait, it's not racist?

08:39:23.780 It wasn't...

08:39:24.380 Wait, not racist?

08:39:25.520 No, it wasn't racist.

08:39:26.740 It was prejudiced, because it wasn't systemic.

08:39:29.700 Well, can I ask this?

08:39:30.600 Systematic racism is one thing, and racism is another.

08:39:34.760 I can say I don't like you because you're this or whatever.

08:39:38.020 That doesn't mean I have the power to change your life.

08:39:40.480 I can say I don't like nobody in here because of their color, but if it can't impact how they move and how they can take care of themselves, there's no power behind it.

08:39:49.220 The power in it is, I'm hurting your feelings.

08:39:52.040 Systematic racism is when they create redlining and unfair banking practices to prevent people from upward mobility.

08:40:00.300 Those are not the same things.

08:40:01.960 What the hell is you talking about?

08:40:03.120 I want to say racism is just ignorance.

08:40:05.040 It's not power.

08:40:05.820 It's just of not knowing.

08:40:07.140 Yeah, systematic racism is not the same as racism.

08:40:09.440 You are ignorant to people.

08:40:10.520 You don't want to understand other sides.

08:40:12.040 You just took out a whole group.

08:40:14.000 Can I ask you a question?

08:40:15.080 Sure.

08:40:16.020 Hypothetical scenario.

08:40:18.000 A group of black men beat up a white person because he's white.

08:40:26.380 Is that racism?

08:40:27.900 It's wrong, but they are not racist.

08:40:33.720 Okay.

08:40:34.780 And then, so, I'm trying to figure out the hierarchies.

08:40:37.960 I'm just saying technically.

08:40:38.780 What about, like, if, what if he's Asian?

08:40:41.760 Let's look up a definition.

08:40:43.320 No, no, what if he's Asian?

08:40:43.800 I think she's talking about, like, the actual definition versus, like, what people's interpretation

08:40:48.340 of the word is.

08:40:49.220 It's two totally different things.

08:40:51.260 A group of Asian men beat up a black person because he's black.

08:40:57.900 Is that racist?

08:40:59.020 No.

08:41:00.180 Oh, my God.

08:41:02.060 So, wait.

08:41:02.820 A group of white people.

08:41:04.400 I'm going off of the definition.

08:41:06.660 So, we want to be technical.

08:41:08.300 That's true.

08:41:09.120 A group of white people beat up a black person racist, right?

08:41:15.000 Is the, so is the only group that can be racist towards black people, then, is white people?

08:41:20.300 We're in the U.S.

08:41:22.540 Huh?

08:41:23.020 I'm a mixed kid.

08:41:24.080 That is not true.

08:41:25.800 No.

08:41:26.440 This conversation is just taking.

08:41:28.060 Oh, no, no.

08:41:28.720 We're gone.

08:41:29.660 I mean, I'm not trying to speak for you, but I think you're talking about the literal definition

08:41:35.580 of racism versus prejudice.

08:41:38.600 I want to say, I think my white side is a black side.

08:41:41.180 Yeah, I'm talking about the literal definition.

08:41:42.700 So, if I, so, if I were to go over there and, and slap her just because I say I don't like

08:41:47.240 white people, that's not racist.

08:41:49.920 I'm talking about the literal definition.

08:41:52.460 What is the literal definition?

08:41:53.400 What is the literal definition?

08:41:54.140 That's what I just said.

08:41:55.020 Look it up.

08:41:55.620 But what is, what is racist to you?

08:41:57.360 What is racist to you?

08:41:58.740 Look up the definition.

08:42:00.100 I'm not asking to look up the definition.

08:42:01.640 Obviously, I can, but I'm asking you.

08:42:03.040 Go off, please.

08:42:03.820 I'm asking, I'm asking you, what is your definition of racist?

08:42:07.400 Just, just look up the definition.

08:42:08.660 I'm black.

08:42:09.460 I don't need to look up the definition of racist.

08:42:10.960 Okay, so, I'm asking you what is your, what is your, not the definition.

08:42:16.360 I'm telling you to look up the definition and read it.

08:42:18.800 I don't need to look up the damn thing.

08:42:19.600 Okay, but don't come up.

08:42:21.580 I see you.

08:42:22.200 Oh, you got it.

08:42:22.900 What is your, your definition, not the dictionary's definition, your.

08:42:26.980 The dictionary, not the dictionary.

08:42:28.980 The dictionary.

08:42:29.620 I wasn't, no, I wasn't, I wasn't correcting.

08:42:31.720 I was just saying.

08:42:32.100 Also, I.

08:42:32.620 We got it.

08:42:33.220 What is it?

08:42:33.860 What you got it?

08:42:34.140 Because what she's saying is really disturbing because it's like the boy who cried wolf.

08:42:38.980 There's real racist situations that'll be ignored because of the goofy shit you just

08:42:42.520 said.

08:42:42.860 That don't make no damn sense.

08:42:44.200 Systematic racism.

08:42:45.100 If I'm black and somebody from the neighborhood that's white and we say, yo, get out of here

08:42:48.880 white boy and beat them up, that's racist.

08:42:51.260 Is it systematically racism?

08:42:53.820 No, because we don't have a system backing us to prevent them from upward mobility.

08:42:58.580 But discriminating anybody based on race, gender, or any, that's.

08:43:02.700 It's discrimination.

08:43:04.000 It's racism because it's based on their race.

08:43:06.340 It's discrimination when you're saying, I don't like you because I don't like what you're

08:43:09.340 wearing.

08:43:09.680 I don't like your shirt.

08:43:10.840 That's discrimination.

08:43:11.960 But if I'm doing it basically, solely based on race, it's racism.

08:43:16.300 So racism, prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual.

08:43:21.260 Community or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in

08:43:28.200 a particular racial or ethnic group.

08:43:31.020 Typically one that is minority or marginalized.

08:43:34.420 The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities,

08:43:41.000 especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

08:43:46.120 So what are you talking about?

08:43:47.000 Okay, now look up who can be racist.

08:43:49.420 Anybody.

08:43:50.220 Anybody can be racist.

08:43:51.340 We don't have to look it up.

08:43:51.360 We're grown as hell.

08:43:52.160 You tell us.

08:43:52.760 No, you tell us.

08:43:53.700 No, I'm asking you to look it up.

08:43:54.780 We don't have to.

08:43:55.580 I'm asking you to look it up.

08:43:57.360 Use your brain.

08:43:58.140 Everybody can be racist.

08:43:58.900 You can be racist.

08:43:58.980 No, no, no, but it's your claim.

08:44:00.320 It's your claim.

08:44:01.060 So who can be racist?

08:44:03.080 Black people?

08:44:04.260 I already told you.

08:44:05.400 You're racist based on the goofy shit you just said.

08:44:07.240 You don't make a damn sense.

08:44:08.080 You just said that white people can only be racist.

08:44:09.840 That don't make no sense.

08:44:10.380 Let's not attack each other on this.

08:44:12.020 That's just goofy though because people need to be getting messed up over real racism.

08:44:14.840 This is not it.

08:44:15.820 Into the mic.

08:44:16.660 Wait, why don't you just, here, why don't you tell us who can be racist?

08:44:20.540 I already said my opinion.

08:44:22.160 Wait, can, here, I'll ask them.

08:44:23.860 Can Asian people be racist?

08:44:25.740 I'm not going to say anything else because you guys are attacking me, so it doesn't really

08:44:28.740 matter what I have to say.

08:44:30.120 I'm asking you for clarification.

08:44:31.760 No, don't, don't do that because you're like, hey, you're going to.

08:44:34.840 Oh, you don't want anything from me over here.

08:44:37.220 I'm just, I'm going to let you have it over there.

08:44:40.380 I'm going to let you, that's fine.

08:44:41.100 Wait, okay, guys, so, okay, um, just answer the question.

08:44:45.140 I'm not attacking you.

08:44:45.900 I'm just, I'm trying to.

08:44:46.980 No, I think I'm done with that.

08:44:48.280 I'm, I'm trying to understand your worldview.

08:44:50.540 Okay.

08:44:51.080 Can Asian people be racist?

08:44:52.420 I, I told you I'm done.

08:44:54.300 Well, that's intellectually coward, intellectual cowardice.

08:44:57.620 No, because.

08:44:58.560 How about we, how about.

08:44:59.080 I haven't even, I haven't, I haven't attacked you.

08:45:01.340 How about a different, how about a different question?

08:45:02.700 Well, okay, fine, fine.

08:45:03.780 I'll just.

08:45:03.980 Do you, you view the word prejudice in the way that he said, so he said.

08:45:07.780 That was the definition.

08:45:08.740 Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

08:45:09.740 Can, can I.

08:45:10.500 No, go ahead.

08:45:10.980 Thank you.

08:45:11.360 Oh my God.

08:45:11.780 You said racism versus systematic racism in your comparison.

08:45:15.360 And she said racism versus prejudice.

08:45:18.000 Do you align your version of prejudice to his reg, his version of regular racism?

08:45:24.040 Correct.

08:45:24.680 That's what I'm trying to say.

08:45:25.780 You guys are talking about the same thing, just using different words.

08:45:29.640 They're definitely not talking about the same thing.

08:45:32.180 But that's, that's, that's, that's sisterhood, that's that sisterhood shit.

08:45:35.380 That's the sisterhood.

08:45:36.380 They're definitely not talking about the same thing.

08:45:38.380 No, no, no, I know, I, I, I know.

08:45:40.020 I'm saying, I was going to say they're not, but, but that's the shit they be trying to

08:45:43.680 do.

08:45:43.840 You want to tag her in because you're trying to defend her.

08:45:45.900 Let her defend her whole argument.

08:45:47.240 She didn't make no fair answer.

08:45:48.240 She didn't make no sense.

08:45:49.800 What I was taught in school was that racism is systematic.

08:45:57.620 We're still going.

08:45:58.180 Well, that is wrong.

08:45:59.060 It is wrong.

08:45:59.560 It is wrong.

08:46:00.460 All right.

08:46:00.860 It is 100% wrong.

08:46:03.100 This is 2024.

08:46:04.120 It is wrong.

08:46:05.040 Go off.

08:46:05.660 That is wrong.

08:46:06.580 What did you learn on your own?

08:46:08.500 Do you have a library?

08:46:09.460 Have you Googled anything?

08:46:10.540 Have you bought a book to teach you what, what it is instead of just listening to what

08:46:13.920 people say?

08:46:15.020 Like what study have you done on your own?

08:46:16.540 Two, two black people versus one black person.

08:46:18.700 That's why I asked you to look up the definition.

08:46:20.760 We did.

08:46:21.360 We did.

08:46:21.600 And we just read it to you.

08:46:22.600 I wasn't, that wasn't my notes.

08:46:24.560 I got to sit this one out.

08:46:25.720 Well, obviously.

08:46:26.920 No, I'm good, man.

08:46:27.780 I'm good.

08:46:28.160 Shit.

08:46:28.600 I'm tired.

08:46:29.340 Here, but this, this all stemmed from, because I just asked, um, can you be sexist towards

08:46:34.040 men?

08:46:34.340 And you said no.

08:46:35.440 And you said like, it's the same way, like how you can't be racist, uh, like towards white

08:46:40.700 people or black people.

08:46:41.780 Like, so, um, really, we'll move off of the race thing.

08:46:44.720 Let's go to the sexist thing.

08:46:46.540 Um, let's say a company, uh, a company that's owned by women, they refuse to hire men.

08:46:52.320 Is that sexist?

08:46:54.360 It's wrong.

08:46:55.000 She literally can't.

08:46:56.540 It's, wait, hold on.

08:46:57.460 That's the, that's the sister.

08:46:58.680 It's a mindset.

08:46:59.380 You literally, like, I, okay.

08:47:01.740 Um.

08:47:02.260 It's discriminatory.

08:47:03.960 Wait, so just to be clear.

08:47:05.160 I gotta use the rest of your.

08:47:06.280 Let's say this is a, uh, publicly, this company is a public, let's do, uh, let's go ahead

08:47:10.980 and split this.

08:47:12.520 This company is a publicly traded company.

08:47:15.840 It's worth billions of dollars.

08:47:17.880 The board is made up entirely of women.

08:47:20.240 They control the board.

08:47:21.800 They, uh, they are all in the HR department.

08:47:24.220 They handle all the hiring.

08:47:26.000 They refuse to hire men.

08:47:29.160 Is that sexist?

08:47:32.920 I think I already told you my answer.

08:47:34.840 So, I don't know how else to actually, like, articulate this.

08:47:43.660 So, you don't think those women have power.

08:47:47.080 So, these are, the, the board of directors is, all the women on the board of directors,

08:47:51.680 they're millionaires.

08:47:52.740 And they're looking to hire a male janitor who's.

08:47:55.480 I'm not saying that they don't have power.

08:47:57.440 Hold on.

08:47:57.680 So, these women, these women are all millionaires.

08:48:01.680 They're all on the board of directors.

08:48:03.600 Okay?

08:48:04.040 And they're looking to hire a male janitor.

08:48:06.840 Right?

08:48:07.520 But they, they refuse to because, and this man, he, uh, he's an immigrant.

08:48:14.780 And he came, he's living in poverty.

08:48:20.040 Who has the power in this situation?

08:48:21.800 Based off of how I learned.

08:48:29.480 No, no, no, no.

08:48:30.320 Not what you learned.

08:48:31.220 Listen to the words I'm saying.

08:48:32.540 Like, put it, put it through your mind here.

08:48:33.980 I already told you that the women have the power in this situation.

08:48:37.080 Yeah, so, but it, this meets your own definition, right?

08:48:40.060 So, I'm even, like, using your definition.

08:48:41.880 I disagree with your definition, but I'm using your definition.

08:48:44.680 You said prejudice plus power.

08:48:47.500 You just granted that the woman have the, you grant, right?

08:48:51.420 That the women in this situation have the power, correct?

08:48:54.480 Mm-hmm.

08:48:55.340 So, this meets your definition, right?

08:48:57.080 So, you must concede that this is sexism.

08:49:05.700 I think we can just agree to disagree.

08:49:07.800 This is, like, crazy.

08:49:09.500 This is crazy, but I'm glad people are saying this is on some Manchurian candidate shit.

08:49:13.040 Like, as you can see, this feminism shit is a, it's a, it's a demonic spirit, yo.

08:49:17.000 Like, this is mind control.

08:49:18.300 That has nothing to do with, see, that has nothing to do with feminism.

08:49:21.880 That has nothing to do with feminism.

08:49:23.420 I want to, I want to test, I want to test the logic a little bit.

08:49:26.040 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

08:49:26.900 I want to test the logic a little here.

08:49:28.380 Let's, let's use a different country.

08:49:30.180 So, a white person goes to China.

08:49:32.180 Can they be, can they be racist towards him?

08:49:35.020 No.

08:49:36.260 Whoa, that's.

08:49:37.160 Based off of the definition, like, a white person.

08:49:39.860 But racism said nothing.

08:49:41.240 Wait, wait, wait.

08:49:41.740 Racism had nothing to do with one race.

08:49:44.080 Like, it's racist.

08:49:45.040 Racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism,

08:49:53.720 racism, racism, there's more than one race.

08:49:55.080 Yo, let's stop calling it common sense.

08:49:56.920 It's uncommon sense.

08:49:57.880 Okay.

08:49:58.340 Wait, so, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.

08:49:59.760 So, a white person goes to China.

08:50:03.840 Who has all the power in China?

08:50:05.920 Chinese people or white people?

08:50:07.840 Okay.

08:50:08.660 They have all the power.

08:50:09.660 Power check.

08:50:09.780 They have all the, and the systemic power, right?

08:50:12.720 The Chinese people have systemic power in China.

08:50:15.480 Can't believe I'm even saying this.

08:50:17.920 A white person goes to China.

08:50:20.900 Can the Chinese be racist towards the white person?

08:50:24.140 Yes.

08:50:24.660 Yes.

08:50:25.500 You just, you literally just said no.

08:50:26.820 I thought you said, could the white person be racist towards the Chinese person?

08:50:30.320 Oh, okay.

08:50:30.660 All right.

08:50:31.000 At least you're, at least you're somewhat consistent in your worldview.

08:50:37.100 Because I was about to say that'd be ridiculous.

08:50:39.220 Yeah.

08:50:39.420 Sorry, I misunderstood.

08:50:40.500 Okay.

08:50:41.000 So, if a white person goes to Africa, would this also apply?

08:50:45.800 And, like, an African country that's, like, 99.99% black?

08:50:50.420 Can the black people be racist in that African country, racist to the white person in that country?

08:50:58.560 Correct.

08:50:59.700 Okay.

08:51:00.000 At least you're consistent in this application here.

08:51:03.200 So, is there any, I assume, then, for you, there's no country in which a woman can be sexist towards men?

08:51:15.580 Not that I know of.

08:51:17.400 Okay.

08:51:17.680 Okay.

08:51:18.280 So, I'm just confused here, though.

08:51:20.540 So, what about the country where the woman is the head of state?

08:51:25.400 Does that change the power dynamic in that country?

08:51:30.500 Well, I suppose it could still be patriarchal, even if with a woman head of state.

08:51:33.880 Well, could it?

08:51:34.700 I don't know.

08:51:35.880 This is, this is, wait.

08:51:37.380 Okay.

08:51:37.620 Anyway, the richest woman in the world, who probably got it through a divorce, but the richest woman in the world, she's looking to hire a Mexican immigrant to do, what's the term for it?

08:52:00.960 Labor?

08:52:02.560 Yard work.

08:52:03.880 Labor.

08:52:04.240 Landscaping?

08:52:04.820 Landscaping.

08:52:05.280 Thank you.

08:52:06.160 Hires a Mexican immigrant, a male Mexican immigrant, to do, oh, great.

08:52:10.600 But now it's going to get, like, intersectional, and you're going to be like, oh, but he's a Mexican immigrant, so, okay.

08:52:15.120 And this, okay, fuck, okay.

08:52:18.040 Okay, who has the power in that situation?

08:52:21.640 The, the woman is hiring the immigrant?

08:52:26.260 Okay, fuck, I should not have introduced the immigrant.

08:52:29.000 Okay, okay, the, the, the richest woman in the world hires a white man from a middle-class background to do landscaping for her.

08:52:48.600 Who has the power?

08:52:49.620 Uh, where is, what race is the woman, I, I'm, I'm confused.

08:52:59.380 She's white.

08:53:02.560 And it's a white man.

08:53:03.600 Well, and, and, the situation, in terms of employment, the woman does.

08:53:07.540 But, but, but, she refuses to hire him because, I don't know where all these female landscapers are, but she refuses to hire him because he's a man.

08:53:17.940 Okay.

08:53:18.380 Is that sexist?

08:53:19.740 Then my answer is going to be the same.

08:53:23.720 It's discrimination.

08:53:26.840 I, I, I, I, actually, my previous example was better.

08:53:29.460 Though, though, this company, the whole board is women, and they're looking to hire, uh, a janitor, but they refuse to hire a male janitor because, because he's male.

08:53:39.660 Is that sexist?

08:53:43.600 Sorry, repeat the question?

08:53:45.120 The, okay.

08:53:47.800 How about this?

08:53:48.620 Let me reverse it.

08:53:49.740 A company that all the, everybody on the board of directors, they're all male.

08:53:57.100 They're looking to hire, um, a, uh, a cleaning lady.

08:54:04.180 Somebody to clean the, the office.

08:54:05.940 But they refuse to hire a female cleaning, cleaning lady because she's a woman.

08:54:10.000 Is that sexist?

08:54:12.100 Yes, they're all male.

08:54:14.280 So why is it different when women do it to men?

08:54:16.860 I don't, I don't know how else to, like.

08:54:18.620 Like, this is, but this is, but this is, this is dangerous because there's people that really think, like, this in the world and will fuck somebody's life up with this dumbass rhetoric.

08:54:27.580 Like, this shit is crazy, yo.

08:54:28.580 You're, you're talking about feminism, and I heard you say that feminism is, like, witchcraft.

08:54:32.300 And as much as I think of you.

08:54:33.500 No, I said what she's talking about, and this mentality.

08:54:36.480 I, I heard it kind of.

08:54:37.720 All right.

08:54:39.100 This mentality that she has and other women have, where they can stand in the face of logic and say no, is demonic to me.

08:54:46.160 That's my statement.

08:54:47.540 Okay, that's demonic to you.

08:54:48.880 Did you just call me demonic?

08:54:50.060 It's demonic.

08:54:50.160 It's not under mind control.

08:54:51.380 It doesn't make no damn sense.

08:54:52.440 I just, I literally.

08:54:53.320 Can we not call each other names?

08:54:54.960 I said it's demonic.

08:54:56.220 The mind state is demonic.

08:54:57.980 You're not demonic.

08:54:58.880 You're not a demon.

08:54:59.720 But that mind mentality, when you can say women imposing their power is not sexist, but men doing it is sexist, that's extremely biased.

08:55:08.880 Last one.

08:55:09.640 Last one.

08:55:10.960 Let's say, I know you were probably very upset that Trump won.

08:55:15.180 I'm sorry.

08:55:16.540 I know you were very upset.

08:55:18.200 Hey, why is this visible here?

08:55:19.580 We should not have these hats visible.

08:55:21.640 Do you want a hat?

08:55:22.360 I'm straight, man.

08:55:23.540 Okay.

08:55:26.080 Trump didn't win the election, right?

08:55:28.760 Kamala wins.

08:55:30.220 Same scenario.

08:55:31.540 She's looking to hire a janitor in the White House.

08:55:36.820 She refuses Kamala Harris.

08:55:39.700 She won the presidency.

08:55:41.200 She refuses to hire a man because he is a man.

08:55:47.360 And he's applying for a janitor position.

08:55:49.580 Is that sexist?

08:55:58.240 Are you asking me?

08:55:59.640 Yeah, I'm obviously asking you.

08:56:02.140 Oh, no, you were looking that way, so.

08:56:03.600 Oh, I'm just looking into the distance.

08:56:08.100 My answers are still going to be the same.

08:56:09.860 Yeah, just answer the question.

08:56:10.940 I don't know if they're just different questions, but they all have the same answer.

08:56:13.280 No, just answer the question.

08:56:14.080 Just answer the question.

08:56:14.840 It's the same answer.

08:56:15.840 Yeah, what's the answer?

08:56:17.140 It's the same thing.

08:56:18.280 So, no.

08:56:18.780 No.

08:56:19.340 Is it no?

08:56:20.240 Yes, it's the same thing.

08:56:21.580 So, Kamala Harris, who is in charge of the executive branch of the United States government, which

08:56:27.480 is a system.

08:56:29.180 She's the most powerful, arguably the most powerful person in the world now that she's

08:56:33.420 president.

08:56:34.340 United States, most powerful country in the world.

08:56:37.120 Leader of said country.

08:56:38.920 She has the power.

08:56:43.220 She has the prejudice.

08:56:44.580 It meets your own.

08:56:45.780 I'm using your own definition of sexism.

08:56:50.680 How is she not sexist?

08:56:54.720 I already told you.

08:56:56.540 This is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance.

08:57:00.180 So, I'm using your definition.

08:57:02.700 Right?

08:57:03.240 She can't even save her.

08:57:04.600 No, don't.

08:57:05.040 It's all right.

08:57:05.500 Let her go.

08:57:05.780 I can't save her.

08:57:06.720 You can't keep saving her.

08:57:08.080 Let her go and all the time.

08:57:09.920 You can't save her.

08:57:11.340 Okay, here.

08:57:11.900 Try to help her.

08:57:12.600 Okay.

08:57:12.900 I believe that you can obviously be sexist to men.

08:57:17.180 And I think that based off of on the basis of sex, which we know was solidified in our,

08:57:25.600 I guess, legislator by Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

08:57:29.400 That being said, I think what the disconnect is verbiage, because sometimes people have

08:57:35.620 different verbiage of what they interpret as prejudice versus racism versus systematic

08:57:43.760 racism.

08:57:44.040 No, but I'm using her definition.

08:57:45.460 I'm literally using her definition.

08:57:47.640 And she won't even grant it.

08:57:50.460 She will not even grant it.

08:57:51.620 What would you call that situation, I suppose?

08:57:56.060 What would I call it?

08:57:57.040 Yeah.

08:57:57.240 Like, if it's crazy, like, if it wasn't, if it wasn't, what word would you use instead

08:58:05.700 of sexist?

08:58:06.560 I suppose.

08:58:10.360 Is this the first, like, just curious, I'm not trying to be mean, is this the first time

08:58:15.740 you've ever heard, like, a dissenting opinion on this?

08:58:18.380 I've heard, yeah, different.

08:58:22.040 And by the way, I know, like, maybe as a white man, I mean, but you've had two African-American

08:58:26.840 individuals.

08:58:27.660 Do you guys prefer black?

08:58:30.000 Do you prefer black?

08:58:31.500 Sorry, I'm really white, so I don't know what's the name.

08:58:33.780 Doesn't matter to most people.

08:58:36.020 I mean, for the sake of this conversation, it don't matter.

08:58:38.840 I have my opinion on that.

08:58:41.380 I don't like the, you know, black and white.

08:58:42.880 No one's really literally black.

08:58:43.960 No one's literally white.

08:58:44.820 But I, that's a whole nother conversation.

08:58:46.660 Yeah, I'm kind of like pink.

08:58:48.100 I'm pink.

08:58:48.900 Yeah, I'm brown.

08:58:49.820 People need to identify me properly as a pink person.

08:58:54.260 I'm a pink person.

08:58:55.260 I'm retarded.

08:58:55.720 Now, you would not do well on a date with her.

08:58:59.560 I'm sorry.

08:59:00.400 It's okay.

08:59:00.900 I'm a little tistic.

08:59:03.600 Lettism.

08:59:04.600 Now, okay, so, it's just like, using your own definition, even then, you just, you won't

08:59:13.480 even grant it.

08:59:15.300 That's extreme bias.

08:59:17.960 That's sexist.

08:59:18.860 All right.

08:59:19.860 Yeah, it is kind of like to say.

08:59:21.500 She is.

08:59:22.020 She's, not to be offensive, but you are sexist.

08:59:25.660 It's obvious.

08:59:26.400 Like, your mindset is fixated on men are the problem.

08:59:31.320 And no matter what argument comes to you, because me, I'll act yes to it.

08:59:34.800 I never said men are the problem.

08:59:35.440 You know, you ain't got to say it.

08:59:36.840 You saying it without saying it.

08:59:38.720 You don't need to say it.

08:59:39.840 You literally, we gave you two scenarios that are identical, and you couldn't say, yeah,

08:59:43.820 that woman's being sexist.

08:59:44.940 You couldn't say it.

08:59:45.840 So, that means your mind is already fixated and made up that women can never be and impose

08:59:50.980 any type of force on men.

08:59:53.880 Your mind is already made up.

08:59:55.660 Your bias is held.

08:59:56.980 Own it.

08:59:57.300 If there's a country where women have majority power.

09:00:00.400 That's not the point.

09:00:01.520 No, no, no, no, no.

09:00:02.500 I'm answering.

09:00:03.180 You said that in every case that I would be sexist towards men.

09:00:08.360 So, if women had majority power.

09:00:11.460 He just gave you a scenario of that, and you still denied it.

09:00:14.420 We've all seen it.

09:00:15.380 We've just recorded it.

09:00:16.180 She's saying that even if Kamala won the presidency, there would still be a patriarchy.

09:00:20.020 It would still be men in power.

09:00:22.920 But, like, do you agree that there's, like, micro and macro level stuff?

09:00:26.720 Like, for example, like, there's the societal, there's the, like, I guess the societal systemic

09:00:33.540 level sexism, but isn't there individual level sexism?

09:00:38.200 Yeah, I could agree to that.

09:00:40.000 Like, for example, if I, man, I don't know how many other ways I can put this.

09:00:46.320 If a guy, hmm, a guy didn't want to be in a room alone with him.

09:00:56.720 If a woman, because he had a fear of woman because of a previous bad experience, would

09:01:03.040 that be sexism?

09:01:05.400 Wait.

09:01:05.960 I don't know if you're, I don't know if you'll find that compelling, but.

09:01:09.040 So, like, a woman did something to him?

09:01:12.900 No, he heard, okay, he heard stories of women falsely accusing men of a crime.

09:01:17.900 And for this reason, he doesn't want to be in a room alone with her, with any women.

09:01:22.620 Is that sexist?

09:01:24.100 I don't know.

09:01:25.240 Okay, I don't know.

09:01:25.960 I didn't, I wasn't sure if you would bite on that.

09:01:27.540 Um, I don't know how else to tackle this, to be honest.

09:01:35.280 Um, it is kind of, like, sexist in and of itself to say, like, like, wouldn't it be sexist

09:01:44.360 to be, to say, like, you can't be racist towards black people?

09:01:48.060 Like, that would be racist in and of itself, right?

09:01:50.580 It's like when Joe Biden said, if you're not black, if you don't vote for me, you're

09:01:54.600 not black.

09:01:55.620 And mad black people wasn't offended.

09:01:57.260 That was racist as hell.

09:01:58.340 You know what I'm saying?

09:01:58.920 To say that, that you have the audacity to say that.

09:02:00.980 So, I think this is a very simple, basic concept.

09:02:04.200 And the fact that you're fighting it to death is, like, disturbing.

09:02:06.200 I'm not saying that it's not, for lack of better words, a form of racism.

09:02:12.320 What I'm saying is that, based on the definition that I know, technically, technicalities, it's

09:02:20.380 not.

09:02:21.000 But I used, I used your definition.

09:02:22.760 So, in a scenario where there's a company that's predominated by women, the women hold

09:02:31.180 the power in the company, and they're refusing to hire a male janitor because he's a male, how

09:02:41.020 would that not be, eat and meet your definition of sexism?

09:02:47.720 Because you have the two criteria.

09:02:51.680 Power plus prejudice.

09:02:53.300 Are they prejudiced?

09:02:54.460 Yes.

09:02:55.220 Do they have power?

09:02:56.320 Yes.

09:02:57.300 Yeah, but in the overarching landscape of things, they don't have the power.

09:03:02.080 They have the power in the company, but not...

09:03:06.080 So, I'll even use your word, systemic power.

09:03:09.400 Which system are we talking about?

09:03:12.000 There's multiple, there's different kinds of systems, right?

09:03:14.780 So, like, let's say a major corporation that has 100,000 employees.

09:03:18.900 Is that a system?

09:03:20.960 Sure, yeah, yeah.

09:03:22.120 What about the university system?

09:03:24.300 Is that a system?

09:03:25.240 Yeah.

09:03:25.640 Okay.

09:03:25.960 Now, let's assume in the university system, it's like all women who somehow, they get

09:03:32.840 control of the university system.

09:03:35.880 And now that they have control over admissions, they refuse to, like, allow men into university.

09:03:43.940 Would this be sexism?

09:03:46.140 I would say yes, just because they have the power to...

09:03:53.800 Oof.

09:03:54.960 They all had the power.

09:03:57.840 But it's affecting many people.

09:04:00.200 Huh?

09:04:00.680 What do you mean?

09:04:01.000 It's affecting many people.

09:04:02.140 So...

09:04:02.460 Well, they're just, like, refusing to allow in...

09:04:05.460 What school you went to?

09:04:06.200 I don't know, right.

09:04:06.840 Oh, you went to college, right?

09:04:10.140 Yeah.

09:04:10.520 What college you went to?

09:04:11.260 Psychology, right?

09:04:11.720 Wait, yeah, what...

09:04:12.240 She has a master's.

09:04:13.480 You have a master's?

09:04:13.840 She has a master's?

09:04:14.340 I have a master's, but I think she said she has a master's.

09:04:16.240 I think...

09:04:16.740 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

09:04:18.220 There's this...

09:04:19.240 What's that saying about, like, you have to be this educated?

09:04:23.520 I don't know.

09:04:25.840 What's that, chat?

09:04:26.720 What's that saying?

09:04:28.140 What's that saying?

09:04:29.680 I need a drink.

09:04:31.920 Double shot.

09:04:32.860 Okay.

09:04:35.200 So, wait.

09:04:35.760 And that's...

09:04:36.960 Really quick.

09:04:37.620 In that example I just provided, would you grant that that would be sexist?

09:04:43.140 Yes.

09:04:44.980 A little promise?

09:04:45.440 Let's give a round of applause, man.

09:04:46.740 We made it somewhere.

09:04:48.480 We finally made it somewhere.

09:04:50.460 Congratulations, babe.

09:04:50.900 But the society...

09:04:52.240 The society's still a patriarchy.

09:04:54.280 Is it still sexist?

09:04:56.940 But these women control this specific system.

09:05:01.880 So, they're still in the U.S. or...

09:05:05.040 Yeah, it's in the United States.

09:05:06.820 So, there's still a patriarchy.

09:05:08.340 There's...

09:05:09.020 Yeah, still a patriarchy.

09:05:10.140 Donald Trump's president, but all the women in the...

09:05:13.720 Are you familiar with the university...

09:05:15.160 The UC system?

09:05:16.060 Yeah.

09:05:16.320 Yeah.

09:05:16.660 The UC system, just like somehow women get control in the UC system here in California,

09:05:21.220 and they're refusing to allow men to enroll in university.

09:05:25.680 Is that sexism?

09:05:26.780 Okay.

09:05:27.080 I will say this.

09:05:28.200 That...

09:05:28.320 Now, answer the question first, then say that.

09:05:32.920 I'll allow you to say it, but answer the question first, then say it.

09:05:38.000 Based on the definition that I know of, no.

09:05:41.900 But I would say that it is a sexist act.

09:05:44.380 Wait, it's a what?

09:05:45.300 Wait, it's a what?

09:05:46.120 I feel like we should let it go.

09:05:47.540 It's a sexist act.

09:05:48.440 A sexist...

09:05:49.160 Okay, you've just introduced...

09:05:50.320 But no.

09:05:50.700 A sexist act.

09:05:51.740 Wait, it's a...

09:05:52.440 That sees your words out.

09:05:53.740 Wait, wait, wait.

09:05:54.140 How is it...

09:05:54.760 It's just a verbiage difference here.

09:05:56.200 Just let it...

09:05:56.560 It's just a verbiage.

09:05:57.260 I'll understand.

09:05:58.440 Honestly, I had a two-hour drive home.

09:06:00.400 No, because you guys are kind of going back and forth, and I really genuinely feel like

09:06:04.120 it's just verbiage difference.

09:06:05.940 It's a huge difference.

09:06:07.440 Words matter.

09:06:07.980 What?

09:06:08.340 Because if you...

09:06:08.980 Y'all all are college...

09:06:09.840 And I'm not saying that they don't, but I'm just saying...

09:06:12.360 I'm saying, but let's be grown.

09:06:14.120 Let's be real here.

09:06:15.220 Everybody gave off their beautiful educational credentials.

09:06:18.960 Can you go to your professor and change the definition, or is it what the fuck he asked

09:06:22.740 you to do?

09:06:23.340 Yes or no?

09:06:24.360 What is that?

09:06:25.020 Yes or no.

09:06:26.340 If you are...

09:06:27.380 If he said, I don't want you to do a paper on U.S.

09:06:31.140 The Boston Tea Party.

09:06:32.760 Can you redefine what aspect of Boston he's talking about, or redefine what flavor of tea he's

09:06:39.020 talking about, or do you have to talk about the exact Boston Tea Party?

09:06:42.960 Yes or no college-educated women.

09:06:45.080 What is that famous, like...

09:06:46.480 Yes or no college-educated women.

09:06:49.500 Can you tell your professor, well, I was talking about New England, not necessarily Boston,

09:06:54.120 but Foxboro.

09:06:54.920 What is that famous professor that was all over YouTube?

09:06:58.640 It's Cope.

09:06:59.200 Massive levels of Cope.

09:07:00.520 She's a woman.

09:07:01.260 Really quick, can you just...

09:07:02.020 And she was talking about how black people can't be racist.

09:07:03.940 Okay, who cares about the YouTube video?

09:07:05.100 Who cares what they say?

09:07:06.120 What the fuck are you talking about?

09:07:07.180 Wait, hold on, hold on.

09:07:08.280 Wait, wait, wait.

09:07:08.560 I don't know her name.

09:07:09.560 So, it would be a sexist act, but it wouldn't be sexism?

09:07:14.000 I can't wrap it up.

09:07:14.820 So, The Color Purple was a biopic, huh?

09:07:16.840 What?

09:07:17.520 The Color Purple was a biopic to you?

09:07:19.020 Like, that was real?

09:07:19.580 Biopic?

09:07:20.420 Because, based on your logic, like, somebody could say anything.

09:07:22.720 I'm saying that it's sexist, but in the terms of the actual definition, it can't be.

09:07:29.940 Wait, that's a...

09:07:30.680 You don't get somebody locked the fuck up.

09:07:32.480 Wait, so...

09:07:33.440 I would hate to beat you on the jury.

09:07:34.640 Because women do not have the power.

09:07:37.480 Is this why you've only met your girlfriend once?

09:07:40.780 Wait, repeat that.

09:07:41.780 Like, long distance.

09:07:42.660 It has to be long distance.

09:07:43.780 Chat, chat, chat.

09:07:43.960 Did you catch that chat?

09:07:44.920 Chat, did you catch that?

09:07:45.820 Wait, so, okay.

09:07:46.300 So, you just said, you just said, it would be sexist, but it's also not the definition

09:07:53.940 of sexism?

09:07:55.580 Let's look that up.

09:07:56.560 Because we looked up racism.

09:07:57.720 Let's look up sexism.

09:07:58.700 I know.

09:08:00.200 Honestly, I don't think she even knows.

09:08:02.000 It's just, it's like, I don't, it's crazy.

09:08:04.460 This is wild.

09:08:05.840 I cannot believe I'm arguing about...

09:08:07.100 This is the modern, this is the feminist shit.

09:08:09.900 It's not...

09:08:10.440 That has nothing to do with feminism.

09:08:13.340 It has nothing to do...

09:08:14.840 You can't mix the two things.

09:08:16.980 It's the wrong, twisted version of the shit.

09:08:18.460 No, it has nothing to do with feminism.

09:08:20.960 Because we just gave you the definition of racism and you're arguing with us.

09:08:24.380 That has nothing to do with feminism.

09:08:26.680 It does.

09:08:27.580 It's different forms of it.

09:08:28.920 It separates us.

09:08:29.760 I focus on our form.

09:08:31.040 No, it has nothing to do with feminism.

09:08:34.820 It's from an extremist perspective.

09:08:36.620 And she's taking that and running with it.

09:08:38.440 That's what I'm saying.

09:08:38.940 She's in extreme.

09:08:40.060 There's levels of feminism.

09:08:41.620 You can be pro-black and you can be a...

09:08:44.360 You feel like this.

09:08:45.100 You can be somebody that's proud to be an...

09:08:46.000 There's levels of everything.

09:08:47.000 You feel like this.

09:08:47.500 That's what I'm saying.

09:08:48.460 You can be somebody that's proud to be an American and then you can be a white supremacist.

09:08:53.600 It might start from the same place, but it's an extreme version of it and there's a relatable

09:08:58.180 version of it.

09:08:59.540 Most of you are talking about a relatable form of feminism.

09:09:02.480 She's expressing, which a lot of women in this world do, especially America, an extreme version

09:09:07.800 of feminism that's beyond reason that will get somebody's life in danger.

09:09:12.480 I don't care how soft you say it, it's still as dangerous as me yelling.

09:09:15.920 That has nothing to do with feminism.

09:09:18.020 It has everything to do with it.

09:09:18.220 No, it has...

09:09:18.920 They're two totally different things.

09:09:21.300 Stop putting words in my mouth.

09:09:22.900 That's not even a thing.

09:09:23.280 We just gave you the definition of racism and you argued with it.

09:09:27.500 You argued with the definition.

09:09:28.160 What is the litmus test for definition according to you?

09:09:30.540 Litmus test.

09:09:30.880 A woman?

09:09:31.640 A woman?

09:09:32.380 Or Webster's Dictionary?

09:09:34.180 Webster's Dictionary.

09:09:34.480 Because you brought up someone we never heard of, but the dictionary version don't mean shit.

09:09:37.800 Don't mean shit.

09:09:39.820 What I said from the beginning was based off the definition that I learned.

09:09:43.800 That doesn't mean...

09:09:44.200 I used your definition.

09:09:45.240 Oh my God.

09:09:45.820 According to that, according to that, yes.

09:09:46.820 If you learn something wrong, then you learn something wrong.

09:09:49.460 You know what I learned growing up in Newark, New Jersey?

09:09:51.340 That people don't look like me, hate me, automatically.

09:09:53.280 I learned that growing up in Newark, that, yo, down south...

09:09:55.760 Wait, can you hold on for a second?

09:09:57.580 Please don't call me sweetheart.

09:09:59.280 Or whatever.

09:10:00.360 What's your...

09:10:01.000 What's your name?

09:10:01.540 Pumpkin.

09:10:01.880 No, I'm going to call you ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, miss, ma'am,

09:10:10.460 sweetie, whatever.

09:10:11.940 What I'm saying is, I grew up thinking that if I go down south, because I live in Charlotte,

09:10:18.660 I'm from Newark, New Jersey, I grew up thinking that if you live under the Mason-Dixon line,

09:10:23.060 most people in rural America are racist.

09:10:26.280 That's what I was taught.

09:10:27.960 But my experience showed me that that's a lie.

09:10:30.880 So once new information comes into my life, what mature people do is discard the nonsense

09:10:36.000 and stick to what matters.

09:10:37.620 What immature people do is stick to something ideological because it affirms their feelings.

09:10:43.580 That's what children do.

09:10:44.940 You're grown as hell.

09:10:46.980 Excuse me, because what I just said is based on that definition, that those things are correct.

09:10:52.880 I'm going to say, I'm over this.

09:10:54.480 I've been talking about this for like 45 minutes.

09:10:56.880 I didn't...

09:10:57.780 And it's not going to change.

09:11:00.240 It's just what it is.

09:11:01.560 I don't think that we're getting anywhere with this conversation.

09:11:06.960 I think that we're just getting at all.

09:11:08.280 I think that we're just getting at all.

09:11:09.140 Like I'm saying, we're at a two-hour drive back.

09:11:10.920 Me too, sweetheart.

09:11:11.760 I got to call it anymore, so I'm tired.

09:11:14.940 We get it.

09:11:15.980 We get it.

09:11:17.060 Women can do no wrong.

09:11:18.980 I just would hate to be on trial and do a jury.

09:11:21.420 Let's just not be calling each other names.

09:11:24.560 We can have a respectful conversation about that.

09:11:27.100 He called the sweetheart.

09:11:28.540 Let's just show everybody.

09:11:29.800 He called every girl in the sweetheart.

09:11:31.800 Even when I was mad at him, he called the sweetheart.

09:11:33.720 And I could be frustrated.

09:11:34.780 Oh, no.

09:11:35.140 I wasn't talking about the sweetheart comment.

09:11:37.680 Because people's lives really get messed up with this type of thinking.

09:11:40.740 Like people really get jeopardized with this type of thinking.

09:11:43.960 He said that it was demonic thinking.

09:11:45.920 He didn't say she was demonic.

09:11:47.400 He said the way that she's thinking is demonic.

09:11:49.840 He did correct himself.

09:11:52.040 I said it.

09:11:53.000 I'm standing on that shit.

09:11:53.840 That mentality is demonic because people can really be affected by that.

09:11:58.180 It's like the boy who cried wolf.

09:11:59.960 And when people take that rhetoric that you're kicking,

09:12:02.180 somebody can really get their life jeopardized because of that.

09:12:05.600 Because they don't want to make a substantial claim on what it is

09:12:08.820 at the sake of upholding this fake, false, feminist power that you're trying to hold.

09:12:13.280 That shit is goofy as hell.

09:12:14.040 I'll move it on.

09:12:14.800 Real quick, how many times have he been on the show, though?

09:12:17.240 First time.

09:12:17.840 First time.

09:12:18.500 Okay.

09:12:18.900 Let me say something.

09:12:21.000 Because when you asked me all of these questions, it was based off of my definition, correct?

09:12:26.540 Sure.

09:12:26.960 I recognize that that is what Google or wherever you looked up the definition says.

09:12:33.620 Who has the power to define?

09:12:34.960 It just is what it is.

09:12:36.140 Who has the power to define in this world?

09:12:37.480 Who?

09:12:37.880 What systems have the power to define?

09:12:39.160 I'm asking you a specific, when you was in college, what, who had the power to define

09:12:45.340 words when you were actually doing your reports and papers?

09:12:49.460 Were you, were you allowed to just take any ambiguous definition from any Tom, Dick, and

09:12:54.200 Harry?

09:12:54.540 No, of course not.

09:12:55.280 Or were there, or were there specific sources that you had to cite when you did your work?

09:12:59.600 Yes or no?

09:13:00.900 Of course.

09:13:01.560 It came from a dictionary or wherever.

09:13:02.040 So what the hell are you talking about today?

09:13:04.100 So what are you talking about today?

09:13:05.540 Hey, just say I don't mess with men like that, and I'll accept that.

09:13:10.060 But don't hit me with that bullshit, sweetheart.

09:13:12.580 Don't call her sweetheart.

09:13:13.760 Oh, I'm sorry.

09:13:14.520 How dare her?

09:13:16.100 How dare you?

09:13:18.280 What should he call you?

09:13:20.620 Nothing.

09:13:21.080 Just don't call me anything.

09:13:22.240 Oh.

09:13:22.700 Or call me by my name.

09:13:23.580 Just call you it?

09:13:24.360 Like, what do you want?

09:13:25.140 Okay.

09:13:25.820 It is still something, so no.

09:13:27.300 Sort of, kind of.

09:13:27.840 Call me by my name.

09:13:28.420 Wait, does this, really quick, does this also apply to hate crimes?

09:13:31.420 Like, let's say, when it comes to your definition of sexism, right?

09:13:39.200 Like, would, like, if a black person, like, could a black person commit a hate crime against

09:13:46.000 a white person?

09:13:46.660 No, that's different.

09:13:48.460 Okay, so yeah, just, yes, they can?

09:13:51.140 Correct, yes.

09:13:52.620 A hate crime could be committed against anyone.

09:13:54.600 Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

09:13:55.980 Final thing here, final thing here.

09:13:57.500 I, so, it's, I wrote, it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman, and then you

09:14:11.120 two disagreed.

09:14:14.280 Jesus Christ.

09:14:15.720 Final one.

09:14:16.940 Okay, I disagreed because a trans woman is now a woman.

09:14:23.480 And you disagreed, too?

09:14:24.840 For a man to date a trans woman, he's, he's straight.

09:14:28.260 I, I don't think we're gonna change anyone's opinion who holds, to hold that to be a, to

09:14:34.460 be a belief, right?

09:14:35.940 But like she was saying, there's a biological.

09:14:39.760 Yeah, yes.

09:14:41.040 Science.

09:14:41.920 Yes.

09:14:42.220 Right.

09:14:42.360 However, I do think that if, if you alter yourself to be a woman, and you believe in

09:14:53.560 your heart of hearts, that that is the right path for you.

09:14:57.560 I believe that that's perfect for, here's the thing, it doesn't matter because I'm, it

09:15:02.500 has nothing to do with me.

09:15:04.460 Why should I yuck someone else's yum?

09:15:07.760 That's my thing.

09:15:08.320 So let me ask you a question, if I have a pet pitbull, right, and I think he's, I think

09:15:12.780 she's hot, and I think my pitbull, hold on, I got a pitbull, I have a pitbull, I have

09:15:19.100 a pet pitbull, right, hypothetically, if I have a pet pitbull, that identifies as a

09:15:24.280 girl pitbull.

09:15:25.420 Oh my God.

09:15:25.980 No, that, that, that, that I identify as a woman, if I have sex with a pitbull, is that

09:15:30.940 bestiality, or am I with a woman?

09:15:32.980 Yes, because that pitbull, that pitbull is not, is, is.

09:15:36.600 They can't make that decision.

09:15:38.020 Oh yeah, yeah, we can't talk about this, right?

09:15:40.160 It's, it's like YouTube DOS to like talk about bestiality and stuff.

09:15:42.840 Yeah, yeah.

09:15:43.220 But here, let me, the, the, the prior, the prior question though is like, so, okay, a trans

09:15:47.760 woman is a woman, do you agree with that?

09:15:50.440 Yes.

09:15:51.040 Trans woman is a woman?

09:15:51.900 Yes, can I actually say something?

09:15:53.020 Because I actually think, oh, one second, let me just ask this question.

09:15:56.080 Um, I, and I think both of you actually said, no, uh, you didn't disagree with this, but

09:16:01.700 would it be wrong for a man to refuse to date a trans woman because she's trans?

09:16:07.960 Oh, I see who you're going with this.

09:16:09.160 That's, no, that's, that's his preference.

09:16:11.260 Okay, fair.

09:16:11.800 That's his choice.

09:16:12.960 Okay, but you do think, uh, that it would be a man dating a trans woman.

09:16:18.920 You do think it's straight.

09:16:19.940 I do believe that it's straight because that, that they are now a woman and I know that

09:16:25.240 that triggers a lot of people.

09:16:27.120 Are they female?

09:16:27.800 That, that, that triggers a lot of people.

09:16:30.280 Are they female?

09:16:31.380 They're not biologically female.

09:16:33.280 They're non-biologically female.

09:16:35.140 But they're a woman.

09:16:36.120 See, this is my issue with extreme feminism because it ultimately takes us.

09:16:40.280 What does it do?

09:16:41.380 What does it do to you if someone wants that?

09:16:43.180 Listen, I'm not trying to convince you.

09:16:45.620 I'm talking to the people.

09:16:47.340 When, my problem with extreme feminism is, is ultimately taking man and woman away from

09:16:53.340 nature.

09:16:54.940 It's taking us away from natural understanding and natural phenomenon just to fit a narrative

09:16:59.900 to make people feel empowered at the expense of natural and nature and natural situation.

09:17:05.300 It just doesn't make sense.

09:17:06.300 Okay.

09:17:06.460 You're a guy that likes guys.

09:17:08.220 You're just gay.

09:17:08.840 What's wrong with just being gay?

09:17:09.880 What's wrong with a woman who likes women?

09:17:11.260 She's just gay.

09:17:12.120 You're not a man and she's not a woman.

09:17:14.180 A man and a woman has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of it.

09:17:17.320 It has to do with how it is.

09:17:18.300 It has to do with chromosomes.

09:17:19.600 A man and a woman is just a label that we created.

09:17:22.100 What about intersex people?

09:17:23.060 Female versus male is actually biological.

09:17:24.860 Intersex people.

09:17:25.400 So what makes me different from you?

09:17:27.820 Besides, take away the label man and woman.

09:17:29.580 Take away the label of man and woman.

09:17:31.260 Am I different from you?

09:17:32.680 Yeah.

09:17:33.660 Yes.

09:17:34.460 Why?

09:17:34.780 Why am I different from you?

09:17:37.880 What makes me different from you?

09:17:39.700 Many things.

09:17:40.560 Like what?

09:17:41.760 Your personality?

09:17:43.100 No, besides, no, physical stuff.

09:17:45.880 Reproducing.

09:17:46.480 You're taller.

09:17:47.300 I'm sorry.

09:17:49.720 Like we have male parts.

09:17:51.760 What's a male part?

09:17:54.020 You're a male.

09:17:55.340 What's a male?

09:17:58.220 Biologically versus, okay.

09:17:59.940 Don't savor.

09:18:00.820 Don't savor.

09:18:01.480 No, okay, because I had made a point

09:18:04.280 that you kind of ran over

09:18:05.720 and that's intersex people

09:18:06.900 who are born intersex.

09:18:08.420 That does happen

09:18:09.200 and that's when testes are inside

09:18:11.620 of basically where like,

09:18:14.120 like women can be born with testes.

09:18:16.400 Yeah.

09:18:16.640 An anomaly.

09:18:18.060 Yes, but what you're saying is nature.

09:18:19.800 You're the master of anomalies.

09:18:20.820 You're saying nature versus,

09:18:23.500 and my argument is nurture versus nature, right?

09:18:26.760 This entire like back and forth that we've had.

09:18:29.380 That being said,

09:18:30.620 there are plenty of circumstances in nature

09:18:33.460 that go against your rule, for example.

09:18:37.200 Of course, a lot of anomalies.

09:18:38.840 No, not anomalies,

09:18:40.140 just within hedgehogs, for example.

09:18:42.860 Hedgehogs.

09:18:43.260 No, no, no, no, no.

09:18:44.420 I know people are going to be laughing here.

09:18:46.200 We are.

09:18:46.760 This is why.

09:18:47.900 Just the poop.

09:18:48.480 It's about power.

09:18:49.620 It's all about power.

09:18:50.340 No, it's not about power.

09:18:51.580 It's about power.

09:18:51.760 It's something that-

09:18:52.880 I think you just feel threatened, right?

09:18:54.320 You just feel very, yeah, yeah.

09:18:55.760 I feel threatened by who?

09:18:56.360 No, no, no, no.

09:18:57.600 She's talking, right?

09:18:58.620 I'm not even-

09:18:58.980 It's not threatened, sweetheart, at all.

09:19:00.680 Not in the least.

09:19:01.180 This is my-

09:19:01.600 Okay, please, can we finish?

09:19:02.920 Go ahead.

09:19:04.540 Hedgehogs will have sex with other men in,

09:19:07.820 with other male hedgehogs.

09:19:09.060 Wait, hedgehogs have sex with men?

09:19:10.000 Hedgehogs, hedgehogs are-

09:19:10.860 Never seen a sonic with nobody.

09:19:12.360 No, no, no, no.

09:19:13.280 Hedgehogs are observed in nature

09:19:14.920 plenty of times to be homosexual.

09:19:18.880 We also have Komodo dragons

09:19:20.620 that can reproduce-

09:19:21.820 Komodo dragons?

09:19:22.500 Komodo dragons?

09:19:23.320 You don't have to compare ourselves to-

09:19:24.400 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

09:19:25.980 This means y'all will go to prove these points

09:19:29.000 is just silly.

09:19:29.880 No, no, because you're saying nature.

09:19:31.760 Things that are found in nature.

09:19:33.380 Okay, so let me-

09:19:34.480 So if you're a business owner, right?

09:19:35.780 It's the same argument that people say

09:19:37.160 that being gay isn't natural.

09:19:38.800 There's plenty of circumstances

09:19:40.380 where in nature,

09:19:41.880 where other animals that have no consciousness

09:19:44.380 of like ours,

09:19:46.260 who don't care about politics,

09:19:48.320 are caught being homosexual.

09:19:48.980 So a lion is political?

09:19:50.840 So most animals are political?

09:19:52.120 No, I would say that no animals are political,

09:19:54.280 only humans.

09:19:55.220 So what about the animals

09:19:56.080 that deal with men, male and female?

09:19:58.520 They're political,

09:19:59.240 or that's just being themselves?

09:20:00.660 Y'all sound crazy as hell.

09:20:01.920 No, no, no, okay.

09:20:04.340 What I'm saying is-

09:20:05.500 Articulation does not equate to intelligence.

09:20:07.440 Your argument is things and nature

09:20:11.020 should like-

09:20:12.300 For the most part.

09:20:13.760 Okay, so now you're saying for the most part.

09:20:14.840 I mean, because that's reality.

09:20:16.080 If you're a business owner,

09:20:17.040 let me give you an example.

09:20:17.940 You have a business, right?

09:20:19.240 Right now, Brian has a dope podcast.

09:20:22.280 If he realizes that most of his subscribers

09:20:24.580 are from America,

09:20:28.600 and he has a little bit in Africa,

09:20:31.400 is he going to focus his business plan

09:20:33.060 towards America?

09:20:34.800 I do got some-

09:20:35.380 Or, I'm just saying for example,

09:20:37.200 you're going to focus your business

09:20:38.600 on where you're thriving the most.

09:20:40.400 You're not going to ignore

09:20:41.240 this thriving market

09:20:43.340 of people purchasing your product

09:20:45.120 just to focus on 12 people over here.

09:20:48.180 If you did that in business,

09:20:49.060 it would be stupid.

09:20:49.820 But in these conversations,

09:20:51.040 because it's about being right,

09:20:52.900 not making really real sense,

09:20:54.800 y'all would focus on the small minority

09:20:57.120 abnormal anomaly

09:20:59.700 just to win an argument.

09:21:01.620 That shit is petty as hell.

09:21:03.160 And just because you can articulate it

09:21:04.880 doesn't mean it's intelligence

09:21:06.320 or logic or reason.

09:21:07.880 It just sounds very good.

09:21:09.680 Speaking well does not mean

09:21:10.900 you know what you're talking about.

09:21:11.860 There is logic and there is reason

09:21:14.320 to that argument.

09:21:15.720 Two men cannot make life.

09:21:16.860 Why are you bashing her to make your point?

09:21:18.640 Exactly.

09:21:18.920 And the other thing is,

09:21:21.200 why are we even talking about this

09:21:23.140 on a dating podcast?

09:21:24.600 It was a dating question.

09:21:25.660 Hold on.

09:21:26.800 It was a dating question.

09:21:27.400 You never started.

09:21:28.040 Hold on.

09:21:29.380 Why are we talking about

09:21:31.180 half of these topics

09:21:33.240 on a dating podcast

09:21:34.240 other than just saying...

09:21:35.400 Hedgehogs are very related to it.

09:21:36.780 Other than...

09:21:37.920 We're talking about

09:21:40.160 homosexuality in nature.

09:21:42.600 That is what my point was,

09:21:44.040 is that it does happen in nature.

09:21:45.360 Anyway...

09:21:46.080 Okay, fine.

09:21:46.780 I'll bring it back.

09:21:47.220 But that's a relationship.

09:21:47.600 So my question first was like about,

09:21:50.820 well, is it wrong if a guy doesn't

09:21:52.900 because this is something that comes up

09:21:54.160 and I've heard some trans activists say,

09:21:56.220 yeah, it actually is transphobic

09:21:58.000 if a cis...

09:22:00.780 I hate that fucking word,

09:22:02.040 but cis male refuses to date

09:22:04.360 a transgender woman.

09:22:06.120 I don't think that's anybody's position here,

09:22:08.040 but the secondary question is,

09:22:10.320 well, is it straight?

09:22:11.760 And I don't think it is.

09:22:14.860 I actually want to get to my point.

09:22:17.940 Sure, go ahead.

09:22:18.820 I think if you consider them a woman,

09:22:21.980 if you consider her a woman,

09:22:23.720 and you are a male,

09:22:25.300 then you are still straight.

09:22:27.200 If you consider that person a male still,

09:22:30.680 sorry, a man still,

09:22:33.960 yes,

09:22:34.700 then you are not straight.

09:22:36.460 I'll let you comment.

09:22:37.140 And I will leave that up to the man

09:22:39.360 in the relationship.

09:22:41.280 And no one else other than his relationship.

09:22:43.400 Yeah, no one else can decide

09:22:44.800 whether he is straight or homosexual

09:22:46.920 other than him.

09:22:47.840 I'm going to give you a hypothetical here

09:22:49.260 to test the logic.

09:22:50.660 So let's say there's outside parties

09:22:54.560 who are privy to the nature

09:22:56.480 of this sexual relationship.

09:22:58.820 So if you,

09:23:00.180 if you,

09:23:01.340 well, I don't know,

09:23:02.200 maybe asking you isn't the best idea,

09:23:03.740 but like,

09:23:04.640 let's say we could like,

09:23:06.420 we got binoculars

09:23:07.380 and we were being fucking voyeurs

09:23:09.200 and I see a trans woman

09:23:12.960 who still has a penis

09:23:15.880 having,

09:23:20.280 having anal sex

09:23:28.560 with another male.

09:23:30.960 How would this not just

09:23:32.460 definite,

09:23:35.040 how would it not be homosexual?

09:23:36.780 Why do you think so much

09:23:37.980 about other people's genitals?

09:23:39.440 That's my question.

09:23:40.660 That's a great.

09:23:41.420 Why are you thinking so much

09:23:42.620 about other people's genitals?

09:23:43.540 I think he's asking for his trans.

09:23:44.940 I would also.

09:23:45.820 I think about,

09:23:47.520 I think about large labia occasionally.

09:23:49.860 I think about that,

09:23:51.100 but I don't,

09:23:51.520 frankly,

09:23:51.740 I don't think about this.

09:23:52.940 I mean,

09:23:53.100 that's a great way

09:23:53.880 to try to like obfuscate,

09:23:55.700 like try to move away

09:23:56.760 from the actual argument

09:23:57.600 that's being had.

09:23:58.300 So why don't you engage

09:23:59.200 with the actual argument

09:24:00.040 instead of just like

09:24:00.820 trying to divert the conversation?

09:24:03.720 I understand your argument,

09:24:04.800 but I would also say

09:24:05.680 that a woman,

09:24:07.160 a biological woman

09:24:08.640 and a male

09:24:09.660 could also participate

09:24:11.900 in anal sex.

09:24:12.760 I could wear a strap

09:24:13.680 and I could strap a man.

09:24:15.120 Okay.

09:24:15.540 So hold on.

09:24:16.440 He's not a man.

09:24:17.120 If you let you do that,

09:24:17.800 sweet God.

09:24:18.160 Let me,

09:24:18.660 hold on.

09:24:19.040 Yeah,

09:24:19.260 that's your opinion.

09:24:21.160 You're free to your own opinion.

09:24:22.400 But I'm just saying

09:24:23.460 that it's a possibility.

09:24:25.640 So,

09:24:26.040 okay.

09:24:27.480 So just to be clear,

09:24:28.740 so here's,

09:24:30.660 here's the scenario.

09:24:31.860 So,

09:24:32.740 um,

09:24:33.780 can a transgender woman

09:24:35.420 who you,

09:24:36.340 you say that's a woman,

09:24:38.100 is she still a woman?

09:24:39.660 If she identifies as a woman.

09:24:41.040 Hold on.

09:24:41.540 If she has a penis,

09:24:42.420 is she still a woman?

09:24:43.060 Is she,

09:24:43.600 she's a woman,

09:24:44.460 right?

09:24:44.860 Yeah,

09:24:45.100 she identifies as a woman.

09:24:46.300 She identifies it,

09:24:47.140 so,

09:24:47.340 but she has a penis,

09:24:48.080 right?

09:24:48.600 Okay.

09:24:49.500 But she's,

09:24:50.260 she's also not,

09:24:51.840 uh,

09:24:52.240 well,

09:24:53.400 it's still a male.

09:24:55.260 You'll grant me that,

09:24:56.300 correct?

09:24:56.420 Yeah,

09:24:56.720 but,

09:24:56.860 hold on.

09:24:57.260 Yeah,

09:24:57.480 yeah.

09:24:57.880 But so,

09:24:58.640 transgender woman,

09:24:59.720 still male,

09:25:01.040 right?

09:25:01.740 Okay.

09:25:02.200 So,

09:25:02.480 when we say homosexual,

09:25:04.180 we mean what?

09:25:06.760 Will you grant me,

09:25:07.740 will you grant me this?

09:25:08.820 Homosexual is a same-sex relationship.

09:25:11.680 Agree?

09:25:12.440 Mm-hmm.

09:25:12.820 Okay.

09:25:13.220 So,

09:25:13.760 you've just conceded the argument,

09:25:15.500 a male and a male having sex is homosexual.

09:25:18.720 She identifies as a woman.

09:25:20.080 Doesn't,

09:25:20.560 what?

09:25:21.020 No,

09:25:21.640 we're not talking about gender,

09:25:22.960 we're talking about sex,

09:25:23.920 right?

09:25:24.140 Yeah.

09:25:24.620 So,

09:25:25.140 you would agree that these,

09:25:27.200 a transgender woman has not changed her sex,

09:25:29.360 correct?

09:25:30.540 Correct.

09:25:31.140 Okay.

09:25:31.340 Yeah.

09:25:32.080 Homosexual means same-sex relationship.

09:25:36.740 Based on what definition?

09:25:38.880 You can argue that they've changed their gender,

09:25:41.060 but you can never argue that they've changed their sex,

09:25:43.860 correct?

09:25:44.440 Correct,

09:25:45.080 but I would,

09:25:46.020 So,

09:25:46.120 if that's the case,

09:25:46.740 they would be in a homosexual relationship,

09:25:48.740 correct?

09:25:49.320 That's your opinion,

09:25:50.560 but,

09:25:50.680 It's not my opinion.

09:25:51.280 No,

09:25:51.580 no,

09:25:51.680 no,

09:25:51.860 no,

09:25:51.940 hold on.

09:25:52.860 If someone,

09:25:53.660 if someone identifies as being,

09:25:56.420 you know,

09:25:56.700 someone,

09:25:57.040 if someone says,

09:25:58.340 no,

09:25:58.660 I view them as a woman,

09:25:59.920 and they are my partner,

09:26:01.800 you,

09:26:02.280 you just going around and calling them gay,

09:26:04.180 what is that accomplishing?

09:26:06.040 I don't think,

09:26:06.480 you know,

09:26:06.920 it's,

09:26:07.120 I don't think they're,

09:26:08.280 my thing is this,

09:26:10.860 what are,

09:26:11.340 what is this conversation?

09:26:12.440 My question is this,

09:26:14.060 if a guy wants to have sex with someone who's trans,

09:26:16.520 he's going to,

09:26:17.380 and he's not going to care what any of us at this table think.

09:26:20.160 We get it,

09:26:21.060 but we've got,

09:26:21.640 we've got,

09:26:22.220 you don't have a child,

09:26:23.040 I have a daughter,

09:26:23.800 so I care what people think.

09:26:25.280 You know,

09:26:25.560 without,

09:26:25.740 without lauding the order,

09:26:26.800 we need,

09:26:27.300 we need,

09:26:27.940 we need things to be conclusive,

09:26:29.600 to have a firm civilization.

09:26:31.320 If we took y'all logic and applied it to everything,

09:26:34.860 we would be in utter fuckery,

09:26:36.640 because I can say,

09:26:38.280 hey,

09:26:38.860 professor,

09:26:39.660 you told me I got an F,

09:26:41.240 but I really think this is a,

09:26:43.220 this is an A,

09:26:44.480 because I identify this F as an A.

09:26:46.440 Would that logic make sense in that scenario?

09:26:48.580 Yes or no?

09:26:50.240 Why not?

09:26:51.700 I identify this failed report card as a passing grade.

09:26:55.080 Is that failed report card a living,

09:26:57.240 breathing being?

09:26:58.260 No.

09:26:58.740 Maybe,

09:26:59.200 maybe we should look it up,

09:27:00.500 but sexuality is how you identify yourself,

09:27:03.000 correct?

09:27:03.420 No,

09:27:03.740 that's what they told you,

09:27:05.060 and y'all ran with this shit.

09:27:05.920 Look,

09:27:06.120 so I'm even,

09:27:08.020 so just for the sake of the argument,

09:27:09.100 hold on,

09:27:10.020 just for the sake of the argument,

09:27:11.260 I'm willing to grant that there's a,

09:27:13.580 I don't actually believe this,

09:27:15.400 but I'll grant it for the sake of being charitable.

09:27:17.940 I'll even grant that,

09:27:19.760 that sex and gender are different.

09:27:22.360 I'll even grant it.

09:27:23.100 I'll grant it that your gender can change.

09:27:25.840 You can identify,

09:27:26.740 you can be a,

09:27:27.560 like you can identify as a woman.

09:27:30.840 I'll grant it for the sake of the argument,

09:27:32.800 but you already conceded that these people are not,

09:27:36.100 changing their sex.

09:27:37.720 And you concede this too.

09:27:39.180 I,

09:27:39.440 I didn't say anything actually.

09:27:40.760 Oh,

09:27:40.940 well,

09:27:41.100 let me ask you also then.

09:27:42.520 I didn't say anything.

09:27:43.640 Let me ask you,

09:27:44.100 yeah,

09:27:44.260 yeah,

09:27:44.380 that's fine.

09:27:45.080 So,

09:27:46.260 a transgender woman,

09:27:47.660 is she male or female?

09:27:48.980 I believe that she is,

09:27:50.380 she is female.

09:27:51.520 She is female.

09:27:52.660 A transgender,

09:27:53.360 wait,

09:27:53.880 oh boy,

09:27:54.100 oh boy,

09:27:54.160 oh boy,

09:27:54.440 wait,

09:27:54.780 wait,

09:27:55.280 I'm sorry,

09:27:56.380 I'm actually really tired.

09:27:58.460 Born what?

09:27:59.420 So,

09:27:59.840 okay,

09:28:00.240 it's a transgender woman used to be a man.

09:28:04.080 Yes.

09:28:04.520 So,

09:28:05.540 was male,

09:28:06.440 is still male.

09:28:08.560 Do you grant that?

09:28:10.000 No,

09:28:10.380 I believe that she is female.

09:28:12.540 So they change their,

09:28:13.680 can you change your chromosomes?

09:28:14.940 If,

09:28:15.200 if they legally change.

09:28:16.520 I personally believe that if you go through all of the bullshit of having to come out to your family,

09:28:24.840 go through all of those treatments,

09:28:26.440 fucking do injections every single fucking day,

09:28:29.120 take parts of yourself.

09:28:32.040 Yeah,

09:28:32.500 fucking call yourself,

09:28:33.240 call yourself,

09:28:33.980 call yourself whatever you want at the end of the day after that.

09:28:36.240 I'll just,

09:28:36.660 I'll just go ahead.

09:28:37.380 You earned it more than I have.

09:28:38.740 Hold on.

09:28:39.400 I'm just going to go ahead and grant that that's a woman.

09:28:42.100 Is it a female?

09:28:42.940 If they call themselves female,

09:28:47.180 then yeah,

09:28:47.620 they are.

09:28:48.000 That's what I feel.

09:28:48.920 That's how I feel.

09:28:50.000 That's what I view it as.

09:28:51.100 Even,

09:28:51.380 even from trans activists,

09:28:52.760 I don't hear that they're female.

09:28:54.880 Do you know what sex is?

09:28:56.060 Do you know what chromosomes are?

09:28:57.220 Okay.

09:28:57.500 So they're,

09:28:58.420 so what is a woman?

09:28:59.420 Okay.

09:28:59.920 Chromosomes.

09:29:00.460 If we're talking about chromosomes,

09:29:01.500 yes,

09:29:01.680 they still have male chromosomes.

09:29:03.200 So they're female or male?

09:29:06.760 Is a trans woman a male or a female?

09:29:11.620 They are biologically still male,

09:29:15.440 but how we perceive.

09:29:17.040 They're not female.

09:29:17.620 If they're biologically male,

09:29:19.080 they can't be female.

09:29:20.160 You cannot be,

09:29:21.460 it doesn't work like that.

09:29:23.720 How we perceive them

09:29:25.580 and how they want to be perceived,

09:29:27.700 I don't think it's really.

09:29:28.720 I already granted to you that they can,

09:29:29.900 I don't believe it,

09:29:31.080 but I'll grant to you for the sake of argument

09:29:32.460 that they can be a woman,

09:29:33.580 but I'm trying to tackle,

09:29:34.500 pin down if you'll,

09:29:36.300 if you.

09:29:36.680 Why does that matter though?

09:29:37.980 Because it's,

09:29:38.940 well.

09:29:39.320 Well,

09:29:39.440 why does it though?

09:29:40.300 That's what I'm asking.

09:29:41.340 Why does it matter to you?

09:29:43.420 Why does it matter in any of these questions

09:29:45.360 if you're not planning on dating a trans woman

09:29:47.420 and no one at this table

09:29:48.580 is planning on dating a trans man,

09:29:50.060 why does it matter to you?

09:29:51.220 Because if a man gets approached,

09:29:53.200 this is why it matters.

09:29:53.880 It's easy.

09:29:54.400 This is why it matters.

09:29:55.040 Because if a man,

09:29:56.000 that's a straight man,

09:29:57.180 gets approached by a trans woman

09:29:58.580 and tells her no

09:29:59.980 and other people say that's discrimination,

09:30:02.320 that's why these conversations matter.

09:30:03.740 And it's not even that.

09:30:04.780 It might not matter to us.

09:30:05.980 It might not matter to him.

09:30:06.920 But there's people watching right now

09:30:08.600 where it does matter

09:30:09.500 because they are transgender

09:30:10.620 and these things are happening to them.

09:30:12.340 So we can sit here and not talk about it,

09:30:13.960 but it deserves to be talked about

09:30:15.520 just because we aren't going through it.

09:30:16.700 Can a trans woman get pregnant by a man?

09:30:19.760 I think that they actually are doing,

09:30:21.600 hey,

09:30:21.880 hold on,

09:30:22.280 hold on.

09:30:22.560 I think that they're doing a uterus.

09:30:24.320 That is something that is happening.

09:30:28.320 They're doing uterus implants

09:30:29.460 and it's done by,

09:30:31.300 I believe,

09:30:31.600 stem cell research.

09:30:33.400 That is something,

09:30:34.200 the same thing of cutting edge technology

09:30:36.500 of women being able to procreate without men.

09:30:39.280 These things do exist.

09:30:40.640 Hold on,

09:30:41.080 hold on.

09:30:41.640 Absent that surgical intervention,

09:30:43.580 can trans women get pregnant?

09:30:45.900 No.

09:30:46.520 Okay.

09:30:47.340 All right.

09:30:47.900 Really quick going around the table.

09:30:49.300 What is a woman?

09:30:53.620 I don't want to answer this.

09:30:54.960 Okay.

09:30:55.320 I genuinely believe a woman,

09:30:58.220 a woman is a woman.

09:31:00.480 Like I do believe it comes down to,

09:31:03.000 you can't,

09:31:03.500 that's so circular.

09:31:04.180 Like you can't change it.

09:31:05.100 It's a circular definition.

09:31:06.400 You have to,

09:31:07.040 you can't like define woman

09:31:09.260 without using the word woman.

09:31:12.560 She has a vagina,

09:31:14.460 but originally when she's born,

09:31:15.760 you can identify as a woman,

09:31:17.140 but I wouldn't say that you technically

09:31:18.440 are a woman born a woman.

09:31:20.200 What is a woman?

09:31:22.660 I believe that a woman is,

09:31:26.160 I could get all poetic.

09:31:29.360 I could be like,

09:31:29.920 women are beautiful,

09:31:30.740 women are light,

09:31:31.520 women are,

09:31:32.060 you know,

09:31:32.360 all of the things,

09:31:33.200 but it doesn't really matter.

09:31:34.300 You could say that about me too.

09:31:35.780 Actually I couldn't,

09:31:36.740 especially the men at this table right now,

09:31:38.280 but.

09:31:38.560 Okay,

09:31:38.860 cool.

09:31:39.380 Thank you.

09:31:40.020 So anyways,

09:31:41.540 why don't you actually attempt to answer the question,

09:31:43.320 what is a woman?

09:31:43.860 I think a woman is someone who identifies as being,

09:31:50.100 okay.

09:31:50.720 Here,

09:31:50.960 I'm not allowed,

09:31:51.560 I'm not allowed to say.

09:31:52.720 Do you,

09:31:53.080 do you,

09:31:53.420 do you think that,

09:31:54.660 is it okay if they have boobs?

09:31:57.920 Oh,

09:31:58.480 is that,

09:31:59.480 is that safe to say?

09:32:00.720 You know,

09:32:01.120 be able to take semen and make a baby come out.

09:32:04.080 I can't even do that.

09:32:05.560 And I'm fucking a biological woman.

09:32:07.780 Because you have an illness.

09:32:09.820 Yeah,

09:32:10.020 but does that make me any less of a woman?

09:32:11.840 No,

09:32:12.280 but you have an illness.

09:32:13.860 You have something that's not natural happening to you.

09:32:16.780 That's not natural to have lupus.

09:32:18.660 No offense.

09:32:19.440 So that's not acting like that's an,

09:32:21.100 you're still talking about anomalies and trying to make them normal.

09:32:24.520 Women are of the nature to be able to give birth.

09:32:27.920 Not,

09:32:28.100 of course,

09:32:28.680 not all.

09:32:29.200 Some women have medical problems.

09:32:31.060 Some women are,

09:32:31.680 you know,

09:32:31.900 they're older,

09:32:32.940 a 50,

09:32:33.840 a 70 year old woman.

09:32:35.520 She can't,

09:32:36.200 she can't gone through menopause,

09:32:38.560 can't have children.

09:32:39.460 She's still a woman.

09:32:42.420 But,

09:32:42.840 but she can't bear children either.

09:32:44.700 So she's still a woman.

09:32:45.480 She has an illness.

09:32:47.320 Right.

09:32:47.560 But being old is not an illness.

09:32:49.480 No,

09:32:49.560 I'm saying,

09:32:50.140 but your,

09:32:50.460 your,

09:32:50.760 your,

09:32:50.880 your eggs,

09:32:51.540 like after a while,

09:32:52.220 she don't have any more eggs,

09:32:53.440 but she's still a woman.

09:32:54.220 So it's not,

09:32:54.840 but she still has a vagina.

09:32:56.700 So take away,

09:32:57.620 take away the ability to have children.

09:32:59.240 They don't have vaginas.

09:33:01.140 I'm not talking about a slit that they cut.

09:33:03.380 That's not a vagina.

09:33:05.120 And if you want to tell people that,

09:33:06.760 that's crazy.

09:33:07.260 When we're being formed in the womb,

09:33:09.460 we are the same up until a certain point.

09:33:12.180 Let me ask the rest of the table.

09:33:14.240 What is a woman?

09:33:15.740 A woman is what is defined by the person.

09:33:20.400 What is a woman?

09:33:22.000 Double X chromosome.

09:33:24.480 Okay.

09:33:25.240 Agreed with her.

09:33:26.160 Double X.

09:33:27.060 The same.

09:33:27.600 Can a,

09:33:29.660 can a man get pregnant?

09:33:32.280 Do you?

09:33:34.760 So,

09:33:35.320 can a man get pregnant?

09:33:38.040 Can a man get pregnant?

09:33:39.220 Can a man get pregnant?

09:33:40.140 A trans man can.

09:33:41.360 Okay.

09:33:43.260 Because he's really a woman.

09:33:45.260 Can.

09:33:45.540 Let me see.

09:33:50.060 What about,

09:33:50.920 should we allow transgender women to participate in women's sports?

09:33:54.900 No.

09:33:55.640 Sorry.

09:33:56.180 I don't have an opinion on that.

09:33:57.760 Cause I'm not,

09:33:58.380 I literally don't have an opinion on that because I don't know enough about Olympic sports to be able to.

09:34:06.180 Wait,

09:34:07.020 wait,

09:34:08.020 wait,

09:34:08.340 wait,

09:34:08.540 wait,

09:34:08.780 you didn't even see?

09:34:10.100 Girl.

09:34:11.760 No.

09:34:12.040 This is like the safety of people in locker rooms and stuff.

09:34:14.400 Yeah.

09:34:14.760 Okay.

09:34:15.060 Here's the thing.

09:34:15.760 I,

09:34:16.120 I would say that I,

09:34:17.760 I don't,

09:34:19.400 we get into a sticky situation because then you also have,

09:34:22.300 hold on,

09:34:22.720 hold on.

09:34:23.460 You have people who have either like the,

09:34:26.480 the,

09:34:26.800 I think it was like a skater figure skater who,

09:34:29.440 she is biologically a woman.

09:34:30.740 She has a vagina,

09:34:31.480 a uterus,

09:34:32.240 fucking boobs,

09:34:32.900 but she has either the,

09:34:34.580 she's either intersex or she fucking tests high for testosterone.

09:34:37.720 And then she can't.

09:34:39.120 We're not talking about it.

09:34:39.880 We're talking about a trans man swimming with up with females.

09:34:48.100 Yeah.

09:34:48.320 We're not talking about the worst cases in the world.

09:34:50.920 Stronger and wider than a female,

09:34:52.960 just naturally biologically.

09:34:54.560 I would say personally,

09:34:58.000 personally speaking,

09:34:58.900 you don't want them to take those awards.

09:35:00.820 Can a trans man with balls and a penis get in the ring and fight a woman?

09:35:04.580 Yes or no.

09:35:06.400 I,

09:35:06.760 I don't know.

09:35:07.540 Yes or no.

09:35:08.560 I would probably say no.

09:35:10.320 All right.

09:35:10.820 Once again,

09:35:11.640 once again,

09:35:12.700 I don't know enough about that.

09:35:14.760 Hold on.

09:35:15.160 About fighting?

09:35:15.980 About power?

09:35:16.720 No,

09:35:17.040 no.

09:35:17.280 What?

09:35:17.940 I don't think anyone at this table actually knows anything about this.

09:35:20.940 Hold on.

09:35:22.320 Hold on.

09:35:23.080 Hold on.

09:35:23.460 Let me,

09:35:23.720 let me finish my thought.

09:35:25.020 Let me finish my thought.

09:35:26.060 Let me,

09:35:26.460 please.

09:35:26.720 Actually,

09:35:27.460 let me finish my thought about this.

09:35:29.100 Please.

09:35:30.240 Highly educated on this topic.

09:35:32.100 I,

09:35:32.660 I don't think any of us really,

09:35:36.020 maybe,

09:35:36.640 maybe her,

09:35:37.440 maybe her.

09:35:38.000 Can I finish before you get angry?

09:35:40.000 I'm not angry at you.

09:35:40.880 Okay.

09:35:41.080 Go ahead.

09:35:42.360 Know how estrogen,

09:35:45.200 testosterone therapy,

09:35:46.220 all of these different therapies that people who are trans are getting done.

09:35:49.360 I don't know how that affects their bone density.

09:35:51.340 I don't know how that affects their ability to perform.

09:35:55.680 I'm telling you that I don't know enough about this subject to make an educated opinion.

09:36:00.980 I got you.

09:36:01.220 And I'm getting ripped apart by you guys.

09:36:03.260 You're fine.

09:36:03.560 Because I don't know enough about a subject to make an educated opinion.

09:36:07.840 So let me say,

09:36:08.440 let me say this.

09:36:09.060 So if I,

09:36:09.360 if I hit this.

09:36:11.180 Thank you.

09:36:11.540 If I hit this.

09:36:12.000 I think that's the best answer someone could give.

09:36:13.760 No,

09:36:14.140 of course.

09:36:14.580 But if I,

09:36:15.000 if I,

09:36:15.460 if I,

09:36:15.980 if I put on a skirt right now in front,

09:36:18.860 if I go in the bathroom right now,

09:36:20.460 come back out with a,

09:36:21.360 never.

09:36:22.080 If I go in the bathroom and come out with a skirt right now,

09:36:25.960 you would not be trans.

09:36:26.620 And hit her.

09:36:28.120 Why wouldn't I be?

09:36:29.020 Why is he not trans?

09:36:29.780 That would be a woman.

09:36:31.060 If I go in the bathroom and come out in a dress and say,

09:36:33.320 starting at this moment.

09:36:34.940 Is how you feel inside.

09:36:36.660 I don't know how I feel inside.

09:36:38.260 I could have had an anomaly.

09:36:39.760 Oh,

09:36:39.880 I know.

09:36:40.320 I could have had an anomaly.

09:36:41.160 I could have had an epiphany just now.

09:36:43.200 So you know what?

09:36:43.580 I want to be a girl.

09:36:44.500 That's a strong arm.

09:36:45.420 Wait,

09:36:45.620 hold on.

09:36:46.140 Oh,

09:36:46.620 you're,

09:36:47.460 you are an actor.

09:36:50.120 You're good.

09:36:50.700 You're good.

09:36:50.980 You're awesome.

09:36:51.460 You're awesome.

09:36:52.020 She's very good.

09:36:52.680 You're awesome.

09:36:53.380 Golden Globes.

09:36:54.060 I'm getting water.

09:36:58.120 It's just unsafe.

09:37:00.240 Wasn't there actually someone in the Olympics that I was about to say,

09:37:04.340 and they were the slowest swimmer for the men and then swam against the women

09:37:08.840 and won against the women and won the model.

09:37:10.840 Correct.

09:37:10.900 It was the medal.

09:37:11.800 You know what's so sad about this argument?

09:37:13.140 I'm going to shut up.

09:37:13.720 I'm going to put up the locker rooms and the safety.

09:37:15.140 Yes.

09:37:15.620 You know what's so sad about this argument?

09:37:17.780 That's,

09:37:18.080 that's,

09:37:18.340 that's just shows the sickness and this fake ass power struggle.

09:37:20.820 So these trans women,

09:37:23.040 men that you're defending is taking what God made for you.

09:37:26.580 It ain't even affecting me.

09:37:28.640 If you got women that,

09:37:30.300 I think it was a show.

09:37:31.500 I think on what is a woman,

09:37:33.000 these girls practice and train to be,

09:37:35.060 to get scholarships,

09:37:36.540 to run track,

09:37:37.440 and they got it taken from a man.

09:37:39.340 And so you're so busy trying to push feminism that you're actually hurting women.

09:37:44.100 You're not hurting us.

09:37:45.480 So you're not messing with me.

09:37:48.000 The less,

09:37:48.500 the more,

09:37:48.980 the more men want to switch sides,

09:37:50.240 that's more women for me.

09:37:51.020 So I'm not mad.

09:37:52.280 They're taking away from what you've worked for,

09:37:54.880 for what women worked for.

09:37:56.100 You got men that's taken away from what you got.

09:37:58.360 And what if they're doing it on purpose because they can't win in the men category?

09:38:02.080 Exactly.

09:38:02.680 Like,

09:38:03.120 that's,

09:38:03.440 you don't know that.

09:38:03.940 But they're competitive,

09:38:04.740 but they're,

09:38:04.960 yes.

09:38:05.320 They can't compete with men,

09:38:06.520 so now they want to be women and compete.

09:38:07.760 Yes,

09:38:08.080 but I feel like this is also just kind of a demonization of trans people saying that,

09:38:13.240 no,

09:38:13.580 we just asked if they were homo,

09:38:15.520 it's not sleeping at them as homophobe.

09:38:18.020 They should have their own category then,

09:38:19.460 you know?

09:38:20.080 I agree.

09:38:20.580 That should be,

09:38:21.180 that absolutely,

09:38:22.040 they should have their own category.

09:38:23.140 That sounds like it would have the most amount of sense.

09:38:25.680 I'm fine with that.

09:38:27.140 Yeah,

09:38:27.380 trans women should compete against trans women.

09:38:29.080 But then they're going to say that,

09:38:30.380 oh,

09:38:30.420 we're putting them in a group by themselves,

09:38:32.760 and we're not letting them be a part of everybody else.

09:38:35.260 Or we could just,

09:38:35.900 honestly,

09:38:36.360 or we could just like not accommodate society for like less than 1% of people.

09:38:39.760 Like,

09:38:39.940 that just seems,

09:38:40.660 I don't know.

09:38:40.800 Yeah,

09:38:41.220 everybody just be,

09:38:42.100 just be yourself.

09:38:42.700 Honestly,

09:38:43.280 just be yourself.

09:38:45.160 Don't make it my problem,

09:38:46.480 and I will not give a flying fuck.

09:38:48.460 Yeah,

09:38:48.700 and don't make it just this big deal.

09:38:50.080 Wait,

09:38:50.200 so let's go back to dating.

09:38:51.280 Let's go back to dating.

09:38:51.980 We talked about the sports thing,

09:38:53.200 really.

09:38:53.520 We talked about the sports thing,

09:38:55.460 but,

09:38:55.800 so,

09:38:57.960 again,

09:39:00.640 I'd like,

09:39:01.800 you know,

09:39:02.760 some engagement here on this question.

09:39:05.180 So,

09:39:05.940 the position here is,

09:39:07.440 is that you guys think that it would be straight for a,

09:39:10.560 I hate this term,

09:39:11.640 cis male,

09:39:12.660 to date a transgender woman.

09:39:17.060 You think it's straight.

09:39:17.980 If he views that relationship as straight,

09:39:20.240 then yeah,

09:39:20.580 that's his relationship.

09:39:21.440 But like,

09:39:22.120 so,

09:39:23.020 pointing,

09:39:24.200 I guess going to you,

09:39:25.720 you're a lesbian woman,

09:39:29.480 right?

09:39:29.960 Mm-hmm.

09:39:31.720 If I dictated to you,

09:39:33.500 what your sexuality meant,

09:39:35.440 would you object to that?

09:39:37.500 If I was like,

09:39:39.120 you know what,

09:39:39.860 you're a lesbian woman,

09:39:41.400 but,

09:39:41.780 would you date a transgender woman?

09:39:45.520 Yeah,

09:39:46.120 I would.

09:39:46.300 Okay.

09:39:47.480 And,

09:39:47.920 so you would,

09:39:49.180 you would.

09:39:49.420 Why did you laugh at that?

09:39:50.180 Because,

09:39:50.580 I feel like,

09:39:51.080 you would date a transgender woman,

09:39:55.340 and you would still be a lesbian.

09:39:57.260 With the penis.

09:39:57.780 Hold on,

09:39:58.580 I got,

09:39:59.360 yes?

09:40:00.200 Wait.

09:40:01.060 No,

09:40:01.700 you,

09:40:02.060 so the transgender woman,

09:40:04.060 this is actually really interesting to have,

09:40:05.820 to have a,

09:40:06.380 a lesbian here,

09:40:07.780 but,

09:40:09.720 um,

09:40:10.540 for this question.

09:40:11.860 So,

09:40:12.860 would you still be a,

09:40:14.820 like,

09:40:15.240 you're a lesbian,

09:40:16.700 you would date a transgender woman,

09:40:18.000 right?

09:40:18.660 Yes.

09:40:19.520 Okay,

09:40:19.900 this transgender woman has a penis,

09:40:22.000 and you were allowing the penis to enter inside of you,

09:40:25.700 you were having,

09:40:27.020 you were giving the penis BJ,

09:40:28.460 blowies,

09:40:29.320 blowjobbies.

09:40:31.240 Are you still a lesbian?

09:40:32.980 Okay,

09:40:33.960 well,

09:40:34.240 the question originally was just,

09:40:36.260 would I date a transgender woman?

09:40:38.060 Yes,

09:40:38.560 I would.

09:40:38.900 Well,

09:40:38.920 we're circling back to that.

09:40:40.420 But,

09:40:40.580 but,

09:40:41.020 it would have to be a transgender woman,

09:40:43.680 who already went through surgery.

09:40:45.120 Oh,

09:40:45.520 for me.

09:40:45.980 So,

09:40:46.200 so,

09:40:46.400 but,

09:40:47.060 so is it,

09:40:47.840 but you said it would be straight,

09:40:49.480 for a cis male,

09:40:50.980 to have sex,

09:40:52.320 with a transgender woman,

09:40:53.720 who still has a penis.

09:40:54.820 Yeah.

09:40:55.800 But,

09:40:56.140 so why would you not still be a lesbian?

09:40:58.740 Because I don't want penetration.

09:41:00.440 Doesn't matter.

09:41:01.240 You would still be a lesbian,

09:41:02.360 if you allowed,

09:41:03.980 the transgender penis,

09:41:05.280 to enter inside of you,

09:41:06.280 would you not?

09:41:07.360 Yeah.

09:41:07.620 Because that's a woman.

09:41:08.660 Yeah,

09:41:09.020 I,

09:41:09.180 I just don't personally want that.

09:41:11.380 You don't personally,

09:41:12.860 sure,

09:41:13.420 but,

09:41:13.880 Okay.

09:41:14.540 Uh,

09:41:17.080 so you won't let your girl play with you,

09:41:18.480 and puts up a man's?

09:41:18.860 Here,

09:41:19.000 let me ask you a question.

09:41:19.920 If you saw,

09:41:20.720 no one said that that's what I do,

09:41:22.280 get out of my sex life.

09:41:23.940 If you saw,

09:41:24.360 if you saw a lesbian woman being penetrated by a penis,

09:41:27.760 would you question if she's actually a lesbian?

09:41:30.180 No,

09:41:30.540 I wouldn't.

09:41:31.240 Is that a,

09:41:31.840 is it a les,

09:41:32.580 is it a lesbian sex act,

09:41:34.360 to be penetrated by a penis?

09:41:35.920 I mean,

09:41:37.960 lesbians use toys all the time.

09:41:39.980 No,

09:41:40.220 but it's a transgender woman.

09:41:42.200 Mm-hmm.

09:41:42.720 So,

09:41:43.520 is it a lesbian sex act,

09:41:45.940 for a,

09:41:46.420 a,

09:41:47.000 a cis lesbian,

09:41:48.880 I think that's,

09:41:49.980 cis lesbian woman,

09:41:51.960 to be penetrated by a transgender woman's penis?

09:41:55.200 Is that a lesbian sex act?

09:41:57.380 Yeah,

09:41:57.640 she's still a lesbian.

09:41:59.480 Ooh.

09:42:00.480 Is,

09:42:01.080 well,

09:42:01.420 if she's trans,

09:42:02.440 then I'm assuming she would also be female,

09:42:04.280 uh,

09:42:05.140 presenting,

09:42:05.800 right?

09:42:05.880 Can't be,

09:42:06.620 okay,

09:42:06.980 so she's got fake titties.

09:42:08.320 She still identifies as a woman.

09:42:08.880 She's dressing in that way,

09:42:10.520 she's taking hormones,

09:42:11.420 but she,

09:42:12.780 this transgender woman,

09:42:14.280 the transgender woman,

09:42:15.500 still has a functional penis.

09:42:18.200 Yeah,

09:42:18.960 she's still a lesbian.

09:42:19.880 Okay,

09:42:19.900 so if you had,

09:42:20.980 uh,

09:42:21.800 sexual intercourse with a transgender woman,

09:42:23.940 and the entailment of that would,

09:42:25.580 I know you don't want it,

09:42:26.700 but like,

09:42:27.080 for the,

09:42:27.460 for sake of argument,

09:42:28.640 Yeah,

09:42:28.860 for example.

09:42:29.200 you,

09:42:29.780 you had penetrative sex,

09:42:31.280 with this transgender woman's penis,

09:42:34.100 that's still,

09:42:35.460 a lesbian sex act.

09:42:37.220 Still a lesbian.

09:42:39.020 Well,

09:42:39.320 no,

09:42:39.520 you,

09:42:39.760 you're,

09:42:40.320 I'll grant that you're still a lesbian,

09:42:41.400 but is it still,

09:42:42.540 still a lesbian act.

09:42:44.220 Still a lesbian sex act.

09:42:46.980 I mean,

09:42:47.440 in order for,

09:42:48.200 I mean,

09:42:48.540 the logic,

09:42:49.780 while flawed,

09:42:50.920 I mean,

09:42:51.220 you're consistent,

09:42:52.400 at least.

09:42:53.980 I mean,

09:42:54.500 because if,

09:42:55.440 if it was,

09:42:56.600 uh,

09:42:57.700 okay,

09:42:57.920 let's say we're in a heterosexual relation,

09:43:01.120 not we,

09:43:01.820 but just me and a man,

09:43:03.600 right?

09:43:03.760 We're in a heterosexual relationship.

09:43:06.060 Let's just say that the man,

09:43:07.940 like,

09:43:08.360 pen,

09:43:08.600 anal penetration,

09:43:10.420 because it's pleasurable.

09:43:12.480 Does that make him not,

09:43:14.140 I mean,

09:43:14.460 you're not,

09:43:14.980 you don't have a penis,

09:43:16.740 correct?

09:43:17.300 No.

09:43:17.940 But,

09:43:18.220 with a strap.

09:43:18.640 I don't think,

09:43:19.700 I don't think that,

09:43:20.500 that wouldn't be homosexual,

09:43:21.720 because you're,

09:43:22.460 you're a biological female.

09:43:24.780 Um,

09:43:25.320 it's perhaps,

09:43:26.160 like,

09:43:26.780 not so common.

09:43:28.980 It's probably,

09:43:29.820 like,

09:43:30.240 a minority of heterosexual men,

09:43:33.320 want to,

09:43:33.780 want to be,

09:43:35.040 I mean,

09:43:35.380 want to be anally stimulated,

09:43:37.540 or whatever.

09:43:38.120 I don't think that would be a homosexual act.

09:43:40.400 Right,

09:43:40.820 so then why would that be a,

09:43:42.340 not be a lesbian act,

09:43:45.260 if the,

09:43:45.700 the,

09:43:45.960 the person identifies as a woman.

09:43:48.360 But,

09:43:48.940 the difference,

09:43:49.560 I'm using male,

09:43:50.660 female,

09:43:51.140 you're using man,

09:43:52.280 woman.

09:43:53.960 Right,

09:43:54.580 because,

09:43:55.320 Right,

09:43:55.600 but a transgender woman is not female.

09:43:57.820 No,

09:43:58.360 but the,

09:43:58.680 the act is still penetration.

09:44:01.360 Right,

09:44:01.880 but,

09:44:02.060 and I could be penetrated with a toy.

09:44:04.560 And this person identifies as a woman,

09:44:06.760 not a man.

09:44:07.520 Okay,

09:44:07.740 so if you're,

09:44:08.240 so it's the same situation.

09:44:09.700 Your logic is failing here,

09:44:10.680 so if you're,

09:44:11.440 you're,

09:44:11.660 you're having lesbian sex with a cis woman,

09:44:13.800 and she penetrates you,

09:44:15.560 you with a dildo,

09:44:16.840 is that heterosexual?

09:44:19.360 If I'm having,

09:44:20.520 I'm using your own logic.

09:44:21.720 I'm having sex with a straight woman.

09:44:23.780 No,

09:44:23.920 no,

09:44:24.040 no,

09:44:24.220 you.

09:44:24.700 No,

09:44:25.000 a gay woman.

09:44:25.420 It wouldn't matter,

09:44:26.060 well,

09:44:26.200 it wouldn't matter if she's straight or whatever.

09:44:27.660 You're having sex with a lesbian woman,

09:44:29.260 but she's penetrating you in some capacity.

09:44:31.640 Is that heterosexual sex?

09:44:34.100 No,

09:44:34.340 it's still straight sex.

09:44:35.440 I mean,

09:44:35.880 sorry,

09:44:36.320 lesbian sex.

09:44:37.300 Right,

09:44:37.680 so as a woman,

09:44:40.480 if you,

09:44:41.780 I mean,

09:44:42.040 I don't,

09:44:42.700 it's sus,

09:44:43.900 or whatever,

09:44:44.700 but like,

09:44:45.600 if you're penetrating your male,

09:44:47.400 your male partner,

09:44:48.860 as a woman,

09:44:49.740 it's not homosexual because you're a female.

09:44:54.060 Yeah,

09:44:54.300 still straight sex because I,

09:44:57.000 in this case,

09:44:57.740 I identify as straight,

09:44:58.840 he identifies as straight.

09:45:01.120 Straight men don't get penetrated by no toys.

09:45:03.280 Look,

09:45:03.520 it would be sus.

09:45:04.600 Technically,

09:45:05.120 it wouldn't be,

09:45:06.020 it would not be homosexual

09:45:07.300 if your girlfriend,

09:45:08.340 like,

09:45:08.620 stuck her finger,

09:45:10.460 so I can't even,

09:45:11.420 whatever,

09:45:11.880 I don't even want to fucking talk about that,

09:45:13.480 but,

09:45:14.160 yeah,

09:45:15.360 it would,

09:45:15.680 it would not be homosexual

09:45:17.240 if your girlfriend stuck her thumb up your butt.

09:45:20.220 What the fuck?

09:45:21.500 Anyways,

09:45:21.980 so wait,

09:45:26.700 as a lesbian woman,

09:45:28.660 you date a transgender woman,

09:45:31.600 the transgender woman still has a penis,

09:45:34.860 you suck the dick

09:45:36.280 of the transgender woman,

09:45:38.280 are you still a lesbian?

09:45:40.800 I'd still be a lesbian.

09:45:42.540 Is it a,

09:45:43.940 you don't even believe it,

09:45:44.680 should you be saying?

09:45:45.320 There's no way you don't believe it.

09:45:46.040 You took a whole,

09:45:46.820 to ride for the women,

09:45:48.700 you don't believe it,

09:45:49.080 I can't even.

09:45:50.020 It's a woman.

09:45:50.860 You just,

09:45:51.220 you're riding for women.

09:45:52.860 I'm just really confused.

09:45:54.140 I'm so far confused,

09:45:55.980 I don't even know what's happening.

09:45:56.840 To you and the man,

09:45:58.840 but to you and the man,

09:45:59.340 I'm confused.

09:45:59.600 Even if I'm a man,

09:46:00.660 I know what it's like.

09:46:01.140 I'm confused.

09:46:01.700 You're confused.

09:46:02.480 You're just saying shit.

09:46:03.280 I'm not confused.

09:46:04.400 It's a woman.

09:46:05.040 It's a transgender woman.

09:46:06.740 You're just saying shit.

09:46:07.800 You're just saying shit.

09:46:08.360 I don't know what you've been through,

09:46:09.240 but I'm afraid for you.

09:46:10.000 Okay.

09:46:10.520 Thanks.

09:46:10.940 What you're talking about is relationships.

09:46:12.300 And I know that if I was talking to a gay girl

09:46:14.240 and they said that,

09:46:14.960 I would not date them

09:46:15.800 because I'd be like,

09:46:16.340 I don't know if you,

09:46:17.280 like,

09:46:21.220 then we're going to do the roast,

09:46:22.240 then it's over.

09:46:22.780 The show's over.

09:46:23.700 This is the long,

09:46:24.580 this is,

09:46:24.920 by the way,

09:46:25.440 our longest show ever.

09:46:26.860 Congratulations.

09:46:27.220 I know.

09:46:27.620 I looked at it.

09:46:28.180 I said,

09:46:28.460 we were putting in work.

09:46:29.780 This is crazy.

09:46:30.840 What time is it right now?

09:46:32.500 Fucking insane.

09:46:33.260 So,

09:46:33.500 okay.

09:46:34.000 I will ask one more time

09:46:35.940 and then I promise I'll move this on

09:46:37.580 and we're going to wrap up the show.

09:46:39.240 Wait,

09:46:39.560 are we at nine hours?

09:46:41.180 Almost at 10 hours.

09:46:42.120 Almost at 10.

09:46:43.000 Yeah,

09:46:43.360 almost double the time

09:46:44.820 we were supposed to go.

09:46:45.700 Hey,

09:46:45.900 look,

09:46:46.120 it was good though.

09:46:46.740 It was good.

09:46:47.240 Okay,

09:46:47.400 so.

09:46:47.740 I feel like it's tired.

09:46:48.660 No,

09:46:49.220 it kind of went by fast.

09:46:50.260 So,

09:46:50.640 when we say,

09:46:51.600 question for you two.

09:46:52.420 Jesus Christ.

09:46:53.260 Question for you two.

09:46:54.360 When we say homosexual,

09:46:56.120 we mean same sex relationship,

09:46:57.920 correct?

09:46:59.760 Wait,

09:47:00.160 which question are we on?

09:47:01.560 I'm sorry.

09:47:02.320 I'll repeat it.

09:47:03.160 When we say homosexual,

09:47:04.560 we mean same sex relationship,

09:47:06.380 correct?

09:47:07.200 Same sex,

09:47:08.200 yeah.

09:47:08.720 Yeah.

09:47:08.940 Like,

09:47:09.240 like two guys,

09:47:10.520 two girls.

09:47:12.100 You would agree.

09:47:13.140 Yeah,

09:47:13.460 two guys,

09:47:14.300 two girls.

09:47:15.020 You would agree that these people

09:47:16.420 have not changed their sex,

09:47:17.980 correct?

09:47:18.660 transgender people have not changed

09:47:20.060 their sex.

09:47:20.900 What I said is that with any.

09:47:23.480 Can you change your sex?

09:47:24.520 Can you change your sex?

09:47:25.440 You can't change your chromosomes,

09:47:26.900 no.

09:47:27.140 Okay,

09:47:27.580 so a transgender woman before the

09:47:31.200 transition at birth was male,

09:47:35.100 correct?

09:47:35.640 Mm-hmm.

09:47:36.240 Okay,

09:47:36.640 and you just acknowledged that they

09:47:38.920 cannot become female,

09:47:40.240 correct?

09:47:41.600 Biologically,

09:47:42.260 yes.

09:47:42.900 Currently,

09:47:43.660 at least.

09:47:44.160 Biologically.

09:47:44.960 Okay,

09:47:45.500 sure,

09:47:45.720 maybe in the future there's some

09:47:46.840 crazy shit,

09:47:47.340 who knows?

09:47:48.080 Currently,

09:47:48.700 you cannot change your sex.

09:47:50.620 No.

09:47:51.280 A male cannot become a female,

09:47:52.760 a female cannot become a male.

09:47:55.260 Biologically speaking,

09:47:56.200 yes.

09:47:57.500 Homosexual means

09:47:59.140 same sex

09:48:00.960 relationship.

09:48:02.320 Um.

09:48:03.140 Homo,

09:48:03.820 sec,

09:48:04.480 it's even in the name.

09:48:05.260 Yes,

09:48:05.840 but.

09:48:06.120 Homosexual,

09:48:06.520 hold on,

09:48:06.960 hold on.

09:48:07.360 Sexuality is up to the individual

09:48:08.720 and how they interpret that for themselves.

09:48:11.200 I'm pretty sure dick on dick is gay.

09:48:14.140 Two males,

09:48:14.660 two males,

09:48:16.720 regardless of whether they get fake titties

09:48:19.860 and they put on some makeup and put on a wig

09:48:22.180 and wear a dress,

09:48:23.920 you're still a male.

09:48:25.260 You even conceded to that point.

09:48:27.720 Two males having sex and even granting to you the distinction of gender.

09:48:33.440 I'll grant to you,

09:48:34.900 even in this example,

09:48:36.220 that the gender has changed.

09:48:38.320 The gender used to be man,

09:48:40.040 now it's a woman.

09:48:42.100 I.

09:48:42.460 Two males having sex,

09:48:44.940 how can that be heterosexual?

09:48:47.600 Answer me that.

09:48:48.620 Okay,

09:48:49.020 what I'm trying to say.

09:48:49.640 No,

09:48:49.800 no,

09:48:49.880 no,

09:48:50.000 no,

09:48:50.100 answer the question.

09:48:51.060 I am answering it.

09:48:52.200 It can,

09:48:52.700 it can be heterosexual.

09:48:54.020 No,

09:48:54.400 because.

09:48:54.740 It literally,

09:48:55.620 it literally,

09:48:56.600 definitionally cannot be heterosexual.

09:48:59.000 Definitions.

09:49:00.380 Okay.

09:49:01.180 Definitions change over time.

09:49:03.040 No,

09:49:03.140 no,

09:49:03.280 no,

09:49:03.360 no.

09:49:03.460 They are adopted over time.

09:49:04.680 You already conceded.

09:49:05.820 No,

09:49:06.100 I didn't because I wasn't given the chance to speak.

09:49:08.860 Look,

09:49:10.240 you,

09:49:10.640 okay,

09:49:12.580 is too,

09:49:13.200 I don't understand what you're trying to do.

09:49:14.220 I don't agree with this.

09:49:15.260 is two males having sex,

09:49:16.900 homosexual?

09:49:18.240 If the two guys are identifying as homosexual,

09:49:22.280 then yes,

09:49:22.880 yes,

09:49:23.100 it is.

09:49:23.980 You're not going to change their mind.

09:49:25.260 So if they,

09:49:25.980 if two men are having sex,

09:49:27.900 yes,

09:49:28.260 identifying as men,

09:49:30.620 then they're homosexual.

09:49:31.780 But saying that they're straight,

09:49:33.400 does that make them straight?

09:49:35.540 So if I say I'm a dog.

09:49:36.240 Like just because I,

09:49:37.420 I fucked a man.

09:49:38.520 Does that mean I'm a dog?

09:49:39.400 I don't,

09:49:39.740 I don't do it tomorrow.

09:49:41.040 Does that make me straight still?

09:49:42.620 Like I don't,

09:49:43.200 if we,

09:49:43.960 wait,

09:49:45.100 so just to be clear.

09:49:45.940 So,

09:49:46.240 okay,

09:49:46.400 essentially you're saying,

09:49:47.280 so yes,

09:49:48.060 a transgender woman,

09:49:49.260 you're,

09:49:49.480 you're,

09:49:49.720 you are agreeing that that's a male,

09:49:51.880 right?

09:49:52.680 Biologically born.

09:49:54.880 Yes.

09:49:55.260 There's what other category would a male?

09:49:57.280 There's,

09:49:57.780 there's how you present on the,

09:49:59.800 on your outwards present.

09:50:00.880 You can't present as a,

09:50:02.560 you can,

09:50:02.980 I suppose,

09:50:03.600 granted,

09:50:04.080 you can present as a man.

09:50:05.700 Female or male presenting how you look on the outside,

09:50:08.420 because I can guarantee a lot of these transgender guys and women,

09:50:11.700 you would never know are transgender.

09:50:13.300 I'll even grant that you can,

09:50:15.480 you can look like a male.

09:50:17.720 Sure.

09:50:17.880 That's actually really easy to grant.

09:50:19.620 It's,

09:50:19.740 it's the same thing as granting that a transgender,

09:50:23.640 uh,

09:50:24.940 that,

09:50:25.120 that the gender can change again.

09:50:27.020 Don't agree with that,

09:50:27.980 but I'll grant it.

09:50:29.040 Uh,

09:50:29.520 you're still a male.

09:50:31.220 Two males having sex is homosexual.

09:50:33.920 A male and a female having sex heterosexual.

09:50:36.940 And it's not like a bad term.

09:50:38.360 Two males.

09:50:38.680 It just is what it is.

09:50:39.400 So you have to be prepared to say,

09:50:41.700 we have to completely remove gender from this.

09:50:45.400 I want you to say the following statement.

09:50:47.540 I will not.

09:50:48.320 Hold on.

09:50:48.560 Just hear,

09:50:49.000 just listen.

09:50:49.460 I will not.

09:50:50.540 I'm not,

09:50:51.040 I'm not,

09:50:51.500 I'm not,

09:50:51.860 I'm not calling out my friends.

09:50:53.480 I'm not throwing any of my friends under the bus with this fucking podcast.

09:50:56.740 Absolutely not.

09:50:57.460 No,

09:50:57.600 no,

09:50:58.040 just hear me out.

09:51:00.140 Hear me.

09:51:00.500 Stop,

09:51:00.940 stop.

09:51:01.300 It's not going to,

09:51:01.960 it's not even going to be bad.

09:51:02.760 Just hear me out.

09:51:03.260 I want you to say,

09:51:05.600 because this is your position.

09:51:07.100 I'm just repeating your position back to you.

09:51:10.340 A,

09:51:10.620 a male and a female having sex is homosexual.

09:51:18.520 Sorry,

09:51:19.060 can be homosexual.

09:51:22.020 A male.

09:51:23.080 This is your position.

09:51:24.140 You have to.

09:51:24.960 A male and a female.

09:51:25.720 A male and a female,

09:51:27.540 regardless of their gender identity.

09:51:30.920 I'm just looking at their sex.

09:51:32.520 A male and a,

09:51:33.220 you have,

09:51:33.760 this is your position.

09:51:34.680 A male and a female having sex.

09:51:36.880 I want you to tell me that that can be homosexual.

09:51:40.580 I mean,

09:51:40.920 it,

09:51:41.200 it can.

09:51:42.020 I would honestly say it's more pansexual than anything,

09:51:45.020 but.

09:51:45.440 Well,

09:51:45.740 no,

09:51:46.020 but,

09:51:46.520 but you said it was the,

09:51:47.560 the,

09:51:47.960 the,

09:51:48.120 the genesis of this conversation had to do with straight.

09:51:51.480 Straight means heterosexual.

09:51:53.200 So I also want to ask you this.

09:51:56.300 Can two males having sex,

09:51:59.800 is that that's can be heterosexual.

09:52:03.980 If one of them is presenting as female.

09:52:06.700 Yes.

09:52:07.160 Hold on.

09:52:08.920 Well,

09:52:09.360 I guess that's an entailment.

09:52:10.580 Yeah,

09:52:10.740 she has it.

09:52:11.200 Okay.

09:52:11.600 So two males having sex can be heterosexual.

09:52:16.940 If one is wearing a wig.

09:52:19.840 Okay.

09:52:22.280 Like I've already stated my position on this.

09:52:24.840 I think we've all already stated our position on this.

09:52:27.240 I don't know why you're wanting.

09:52:28.460 You've already,

09:52:28.880 but you've acknowledged,

09:52:30.100 you've acknowledged that homosexual means same sex.

09:52:34.180 Heterosexual means opposite sex.

09:52:35.940 Okay.

09:52:36.340 My question for you is,

09:52:37.860 are you ever going to date a transgender woman?

09:52:40.280 No.

09:52:40.880 Okay,

09:52:41.180 cool.

09:52:41.640 So what,

09:52:42.360 and are you ever going to date a transgender person?

09:52:45.120 Don't go over here.

09:52:45.780 No,

09:52:46.060 no,

09:52:46.280 no.

09:52:47.480 She said,

09:52:48.140 take it back.

09:52:48.520 No,

09:52:48.620 no,

09:52:49.280 no,

09:52:49.780 I want to,

09:52:50.420 I want to know because if you're never,

09:52:52.260 no,

09:52:52.920 here's the thing.

09:52:53.800 If you have no interest,

09:52:55.160 no,

09:52:55.560 if you don't have any,

09:52:57.480 if you don't have any interest,

09:52:59.320 if you don't have any interest,

09:53:01.440 then why does it matter?

09:53:02.560 I have a perfect rebuttal to this argument of,

09:53:05.520 well,

09:53:05.620 you shouldn't care.

09:53:06.480 You said you have,

09:53:07.440 you cannot get pregnant,

09:53:08.640 correct?

09:53:09.520 You cannot get pregnant,

09:53:11.280 correct?

09:53:11.880 Yes.

09:53:12.080 Like you're,

09:53:12.540 you're just because of medical reasons,

09:53:14.320 incapable of becoming pregnant.

09:53:16.440 With a viable pregnancy,

09:53:17.900 yes.

09:53:18.780 I could potentially have a non-viable pregnancy if I wanted,

09:53:23.100 if I wanted to try for one.

09:53:24.620 But yes,

09:53:25.080 if we're saying like my biologically,

09:53:27.220 what I'm able to do and produce would not ever be a viable or healthy pregnancy.

09:53:34.360 In addition to that,

09:53:35.600 you would have extreme difficulty even getting pregnant.

09:53:38.920 Is that my understanding?

09:53:39.820 Yes.

09:53:40.200 For this reason,

09:53:41.140 you're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion.

09:53:44.880 That's not true because actually if anyone should have an opinion,

09:53:48.900 it should,

09:53:49.240 you can't get pregnant because a lot of abortions,

09:53:51.560 the medical term is called abortion for atopic pregnancy or any of the other pregnancies that are

09:53:57.260 non-viable that I would not be able to carry to term.

09:54:00.840 It would have to be medically aborted.

09:54:03.400 And if it does not,

09:54:04.280 then it would go septic inside of me.

09:54:05.800 So yes,

09:54:06.240 if anyone has an opinion,

09:54:07.680 it's people who are going to be fucked over with that.

09:54:11.160 Okay.

09:54:11.220 How about this then?

09:54:11.940 Because there,

09:54:12.540 you said there's a slight chance that you can get pregnant.

09:54:14.840 You will acknowledge some women are incapable of getting pregnant,

09:54:17.840 right?

09:54:18.120 For example,

09:54:18.580 like older women.

09:54:19.620 Yes.

09:54:20.080 Okay.

09:54:20.640 Uh,

09:54:20.960 they're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion because they can't get pregnant.

09:54:23.620 Do you agree with that?

09:54:24.220 They were able to get pregnant at one point.

09:54:26.560 No.

09:54:27.000 How about there's a woman biologically?

09:54:28.900 Okay.

09:54:29.260 I'll just use the most extreme example.

09:54:31.640 I can just to try to articulate the point here.

09:54:34.560 A woman at no point in her life was ever a,

09:54:37.520 because of some genetic defect was,

09:54:39.320 she can't even conceive.

09:54:41.660 There can be no conception.

09:54:43.460 Can't conceive,

09:54:44.380 can never get pregnant for this reason.

09:54:46.400 She can't have an opinion on abortion.

09:54:47.820 Agree or disagree?

09:54:49.200 Disagree.

09:54:49.620 You can always have an opinion on something.

09:54:51.260 Okay,

09:54:51.460 but I can have an opinion on the transgender thing.

09:54:53.600 Okay.

09:54:54.180 Even though,

09:54:54.740 even though I would never date one or whatever,

09:54:57.080 especially if we can be labeled transphobic,

09:54:59.000 we're not dealing with them.

09:54:59.800 We definitely got to checkmate.

09:55:00.960 Okay.

09:55:01.300 Okay.

09:55:01.920 But the difference is having an opinion and voicing that opinion out of maybe hate.

09:55:09.420 That's assumption.

09:55:10.060 See,

09:55:10.240 see,

09:55:10.460 that's that dangerous shit y'all be doing.

09:55:12.280 Why didn't you say so?

09:55:12.920 It's out of hate.

09:55:13.700 Why,

09:55:14.020 why,

09:55:14.380 why,

09:55:14.920 why even bring this conversation up?

09:55:16.760 That's that bullshit.

09:55:17.540 That's that bullshit.

09:55:18.180 That's that bullshit.

09:55:19.060 That's that Karen bullshit.

09:55:20.240 If you ever said homophobia was a bad term.

09:55:23.180 Wait,

09:55:23.420 that's the point.

09:55:23.700 No,

09:55:23.780 no,

09:55:23.880 no,

09:55:24.060 I'm not saying he said homophobia was a bad term.

09:55:25.960 No one's saying,

09:55:26.900 if you're trying to strong arm someone into saying what you want.

09:55:30.060 She,

09:55:30.420 she said,

09:55:31.140 base,

09:55:31.420 she said,

09:55:31.940 as long as it's not coming from the perspective of hate.

09:55:34.660 So you just assume,

09:55:36.000 you,

09:55:36.120 you,

09:55:36.240 that's that rhetoric that get people fucked up,

09:55:39.340 yo.

09:55:39.920 That's dangerous rhetoric.

09:55:41.120 Just because we don't agree with you don't mean we hate anybody.

09:55:43.160 I don't think she directed it towards you.

09:55:45.880 She just said as long as it's not a general opinion.

09:55:49.000 All I'm saying is I don't,

09:55:50.420 I don't,

09:55:50.680 I don't hear transfer.

09:55:51.180 I could be wrong.

09:55:51.720 She said,

09:55:52.300 Hey,

09:55:52.760 she said the word,

09:55:53.720 Hey,

09:55:53.800 you could have said disgruntled.

09:55:55.020 You could have said disgust.

09:55:56.840 You said,

09:55:57.860 Hey,

09:55:58.180 that's a strong word with connotations that can get people flag docs of all types of stuff.

09:56:04.300 But then y'all use these words specifically because you have to gaslight the minions in the world because you can't defend the argument in real time.

09:56:11.640 That's why.

09:56:12.160 Did you assume it was directed at you?

09:56:14.180 Yo,

09:56:14.680 I'm not even talking to you.

09:56:15.600 You don't even know what the fuck going on.

09:56:16.880 I'm talking about what she talking about.

09:56:17.980 What I'm saying is those type of words is what get people in trouble in real life.

09:56:22.660 We do have to wrap.

09:56:23.560 We do have to wrap.

09:56:24.940 This has been too long.

09:56:26.120 This is so long.

09:56:27.840 We're going to,

09:56:28.140 it's going to be a 10 hour,

09:56:29.200 10 hour show.

09:56:30.000 This is mind boggling.

09:56:31.700 This is crazy.

09:56:32.900 Okay.

09:56:33.940 And I got a flotter.

09:56:34.940 Okay.

09:56:36.460 So we're going to,

09:56:37.620 we have to let the TTS.

09:56:38.620 Sorry,

09:56:38.860 guys.

09:56:39.300 I know you guys have been sending in the TTS is we,

09:56:42.520 I had to let the conversation go.

09:56:44.260 Otherwise,

09:56:44.900 you know,

09:56:45.220 so I'm going to let these,

09:56:46.200 there's about seven of them.

09:56:47.580 Then we'll wrap.

09:56:49.340 Thank you.

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09:56:56.800 Hashtag cowgirls matter.

09:56:58.920 Grind away.

09:57:00.340 Save a horse.

09:57:01.440 Grind a cowboy.

09:57:02.860 I like cookies.

09:57:04.100 Hashtag guybrows matter.

09:57:05.620 Roll on top.

09:57:06.080 Real men don't wear flip flops.

09:57:08.620 He agrees with you on the flip flop thing.

09:57:10.380 Hey,

09:57:10.920 it is what it is.

09:57:12.100 All right.

09:57:12.380 Thank you,

09:57:12.740 man.

09:57:12.840 We have another one.

09:57:16.380 Oh,

09:57:17.000 all men have to cut off their penis because hypothetically penis secret idiot juice.

09:57:21.440 Then would these two leaders step up?

09:57:24.160 Wait,

09:57:24.340 what?

09:57:25.620 We all said,

09:57:26.840 hold on.

09:57:27.200 All right.

09:57:29.380 Hold on.

09:57:29.920 We got this one coming in.

09:57:34.280 One sec guys.

09:57:35.240 There's a little delay on these.

09:57:36.460 They're coming in though.

09:57:37.160 We have about five,

09:57:39.180 six months.

09:57:41.100 This ingenuous podcast donated $69.

09:57:44.800 She's clearly more intellectual than these troll ass hypothetical.

09:57:49.000 She's completely dismantling Brian's trappy words.

09:57:52.680 Brian likes to use literal definitions when it fits his Christian agenda.

09:57:57.800 Well,

09:57:58.000 hold on.

09:57:59.560 Hold on.

09:58:00.540 I,

09:58:00.980 I don't make any religious arguments whatsoever.

09:58:04.220 So I don't know what you're talking about,

09:58:05.180 but okay.

09:58:06.740 Um,

09:58:07.760 did you have something or?

09:58:09.200 No,

09:58:09.380 I just wanted to say.

09:58:10.580 Oh,

09:58:11.000 he sided with you hard.

09:58:12.260 Okay.

09:58:14.800 Just a voice donated $69.

09:58:18.160 Brian,

09:58:18.900 watching your show for a year.

09:58:21.120 It's crazy to me.

09:58:22.020 How low educated some U S college students are.

09:58:25.600 World war two in the sixties.

09:58:28.120 Really?

09:58:29.660 WDF.

09:58:30.100 And today prove to me that MK ultra still exists.

09:58:34.360 Greets from Germany.

09:58:35.640 Yeah.

09:58:36.080 Just a voice.

09:58:36.640 Thank you so much for the TTS man.

09:58:37.800 Appreciate it.

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09:58:48.720 But then again,

09:58:49.460 all of the top 10 wealthiest women in the world inherited their wealth from a wealthier man.

09:58:54.340 Yeah.

09:58:54.480 Divorce.

09:58:55.220 Yeah.

09:58:55.560 That's how pretty much all the wealthiest women in the world got there.

09:58:59.840 Became the wealthiest women in the world through divorce.

09:59:04.220 Interesting.

09:59:05.060 In it.

09:59:05.860 Uh,

09:59:06.160 we have three more.

09:59:06.940 Yeah.

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09:59:12.140 Yeah.

09:59:12.260 Thank you.

09:59:12.540 Christopher.

09:59:12.740 It matters because it's the truth.

09:59:14.480 You feminist man hater.

09:59:16.620 Are you a feminist man hater?

09:59:18.680 I love men.

09:59:19.980 So no.

09:59:20.780 Well,

09:59:21.160 wait,

09:59:21.500 you pick the bear,

09:59:22.660 bro.

09:59:23.620 I love the men in my life.

09:59:25.800 Oh,

09:59:26.200 it's okay.

09:59:26.520 You like,

09:59:27.180 like,

09:59:27.420 you like like three men.

09:59:28.980 No,

09:59:29.360 I have rest are like,

09:59:30.360 no,

09:59:30.780 I,

09:59:31.200 okay.

09:59:31.360 Here's the thing.

09:59:31.900 I work primarily with men and I love the men that I work with.

09:59:36.240 I absolutely adore my co-stars to the,

09:59:40.200 to the fucking death.

09:59:41.280 They are great,

09:59:42.020 great people.

09:59:42.760 I don't hate them,

09:59:43.880 but I also know them and I'm in a safe environment where I can get to know

09:59:47.340 them.

09:59:47.620 That's beautiful.

09:59:48.360 Thank you.

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10:00:01.840 propaganda.

10:00:03.060 Soften the curriculum.

10:00:04.060 Get control of teachers associations extension.

10:00:07.400 Can you tell us just curious,

10:00:08.420 what did you say what college you went to?

10:00:11.160 You know,

10:00:11.440 if you,

10:00:12.160 if you're uncomfortable sharing,

10:00:13.460 you don't have to,

10:00:13.980 but no,

10:00:14.900 I didn't say what school I went to.

10:00:18.100 Can you share?

10:00:19.500 Oh,

10:00:20.020 sure.

10:00:20.280 I went to Cal state San Bernardino for undergrad and see a CPU for grad

10:00:24.780 school.

10:00:25.180 What's CPU?

10:00:26.140 Cal Baptist.

10:00:28.200 They taught this at Cal Baptist.

10:00:29.840 Isn't that a Christian school?

10:00:30.800 Hey,

10:00:31.140 I'm not a bit,

10:00:31.880 man.

10:00:32.020 Wait,

10:00:33.120 they taught,

10:00:33.680 they taught all that shit.

10:00:34.640 Okay.

10:00:34.900 Fair enough.

10:00:35.520 Fair enough.

10:00:36.200 Good times.

10:00:37.540 Oh,

10:00:38.040 nothing about like all logarithms equal donated $70.

10:00:42.060 Kudos to Hannah for defeating the natural argument.

10:00:45.480 Eric,

10:00:46.140 look up Swire syndrome.

10:00:48.320 Someone has XY chromosomes,

10:00:50.280 still has a uterus and presence as a woman.

10:00:53.740 Would you really call her a man?

10:00:57.420 I don't give a fuck.

10:00:59.100 I mean,

10:00:59.680 like,

10:00:59.940 I don't,

10:01:00.600 I don't know specifically what this is.

10:01:03.340 Um,

10:01:04.300 like there are,

10:01:04.960 there are absolutely people who are intersex and I don't deny this.

10:01:08.380 Um,

10:01:08.780 but like to say that all transgender people is intersex is just,

10:01:13.080 I never said that.

10:01:13.580 No,

10:01:13.780 I know you didn't,

10:01:14.760 but like people like to point,

10:01:16.080 well,

10:01:16.180 what about intersex people?

10:01:17.400 Well,

10:01:17.720 that doesn't deny the fact that there's like the vast majority of

10:01:20.420 transgender women,

10:01:21.240 for example,

10:01:21.720 have like their,

10:01:23.460 their,

10:01:23.940 uh,

10:01:24.520 chromosomes are a hundred percent matching those of a male and they're not

10:01:30.780 intersex.

10:01:31.480 There's not like any genetic defect or anything.

10:01:33.520 No,

10:01:33.980 but what I'm saying is if it sets a precedent to accept one,

10:01:36.960 then why can't we accept the other?

10:01:39.000 Well,

10:01:39.280 it's the intersex is a totally different like category.

10:01:43.700 So these are,

10:01:44.400 these are people who have like genetic defects.

10:01:46.280 Yes.

10:01:46.620 But what I would also say is that for everyone who says that transgender

10:01:50.860 people shouldn't have,

10:01:52.260 um,

10:01:52.740 gender affirming care,

10:01:53.940 that also is like legally for intersex people as well.

10:01:58.500 Okay.

10:01:59.020 One,

10:01:59.380 I swear I won't linger on this.

10:02:01.060 Um,

10:02:01.460 at what age should people should,

10:02:03.100 uh,

10:02:03.320 if you're like transgender and you're like 10 years old,

10:02:05.480 should you get gender affirming care?

10:02:07.720 Um,

10:02:08.340 gender affirming care can be classified as anything like growing out your

10:02:11.360 hair.

10:02:11.580 So I think that that's a pretty vague argument,

10:02:13.380 but do I think that they should,

10:02:15.660 do I think,

10:02:16.420 do I should,

10:02:17.440 uh,

10:02:17.780 uh,

10:02:18.300 puberty blockers,

10:02:19.760 puberty blockers don't do any damage and can be reversed.

10:02:22.260 Do I think literally fake news?

10:02:23.860 That's literally fake news.

10:02:25.120 I,

10:02:25.440 I,

10:02:25.840 I,

10:02:26.160 I know people who took puberty blockers.

10:02:28.480 It's literally fake news.

10:02:29.380 You cannot reverse,

10:02:30.640 you cannot reverse puberty.

10:02:32.460 How is that?

10:02:33.180 It's not reversible.

10:02:34.340 How's it reversible?

10:02:35.280 Explain to me how it's reversible.

10:02:36.740 Go ahead.

10:02:37.760 I know two separate people.

10:02:40.020 I don't,

10:02:40.380 yeah,

10:02:40.500 they did it.

10:02:41.120 They went through it.

10:02:41.780 Is it reversible?

10:02:42.920 Can they reverse it?

10:02:43.680 One of them did decide that that was not for them in high school and

10:02:47.320 stopped taking it.

10:02:48.480 They started taking testosterone and were able to live a perfectly normal life

10:02:52.440 afterwards.

10:02:52.860 They're probably still,

10:02:54.180 we,

10:02:54.440 okay.

10:02:54.600 So I,

10:02:55.820 I would even in,

10:02:56.680 we had a,

10:02:57.320 uh,

10:02:57.620 a D transition.

10:02:58.880 Are you familiar with this?

10:02:59.960 Yes.

10:03:00.140 That's what I said.

10:03:00.780 My,

10:03:01.000 I have one friend who transitioned completely and one friend who de transition.

10:03:04.580 We had,

10:03:05.240 I think three months ago,

10:03:06.080 we had a woman who came on the show.

10:03:07.920 She,

10:03:08.340 she,

10:03:09.460 uh,

10:03:09.840 female transition,

10:03:11.180 wanted to be male or wanted to be a man transitioned,

10:03:14.660 took the testosterone,

10:03:15.860 whatever.

10:03:16.300 She was like,

10:03:17.100 this totally changed,

10:03:18.460 totally changed me.

10:03:19.280 Not reversible.

10:03:20.320 It impacted her voice,

10:03:21.600 her vocal cords.

10:03:22.500 That's not reversible.

10:03:23.660 It impacted something like hair growth,

10:03:25.640 a couple other things.

10:03:26.600 I don't want to speak for her.

10:03:27.860 If you'd want to have a conversation with her,

10:03:29.600 we could have her on too,

10:03:30.580 but she can tell it.

10:03:31.620 She's a D transitioner.

10:03:33.100 She can tell you herself.

10:03:34.160 It's not reversible.

10:03:35.280 What age do I think that children should be able to start taking medication?

10:03:42.220 Sure.

10:03:42.880 Um,

10:03:43.760 honestly,

10:03:44.240 I would say the age of like medical consent in some like states.

10:03:50.560 So,

10:03:51.180 okay.

10:03:51.300 So should,

10:03:51.880 um,

10:03:52.320 what about the 10 year olds?

10:03:53.220 Can they start taking,

10:03:54.200 or how about 13?

10:03:55.060 Can they start taking like puberty blockers?

10:03:57.100 I would wait.

10:03:57.320 I would wait till my child.

10:03:59.100 If that,

10:03:59.920 if it was my child,

10:04:01.080 I would just,

10:04:01.680 what about not your child,

10:04:02.780 a trans child?

10:04:04.220 Well,

10:04:04.620 I'm not their parent.

10:04:06.540 And I think this also goes,

10:04:07.720 this goes to,

10:04:08.520 you can pass laws.

10:04:09.760 Let's say you can pass laws.

10:04:10.980 What,

10:04:11.260 what age would you allow it to be?

10:04:14.080 I would,

10:04:14.720 I don't know.

10:04:15.560 I would do it on a situational.

10:04:16.760 I would,

10:04:17.060 I would feel like there would,

10:04:18.040 I would need to have the facts.

10:04:19.560 Oh,

10:04:20.020 so okay.

10:04:20.320 You would deny.

10:04:21.160 No,

10:04:21.380 no,

10:04:21.480 no,

10:04:21.640 no,

10:04:21.880 no,

10:04:22.560 no,

10:04:22.880 no,

10:04:23.020 no.

10:04:23.340 So,

10:04:23.700 okay.

10:04:24.500 I,

10:04:25.120 first of all,

10:04:25.960 I think I would need to have all of the information.

10:04:29.680 If I was making a lot,

10:04:30.780 I would need to have all of the information in front of me to make a very,

10:04:33.600 if it was your child,

10:04:34.960 your child,

10:04:35.380 your 14 year old,

10:04:37.140 um,

10:04:38.580 if it was my child,

10:04:40.060 yeah,

10:04:40.340 comes to you and is like,

10:04:41.280 Hey mom,

10:04:41.660 I think I'm a woman.

10:04:43.620 Like,

10:04:44.420 would you,

10:04:44.880 what I would,

10:04:45.700 what I would do with them is I would,

10:04:47.560 you know,

10:04:47.960 thank them for coming to me and sharing that with me.

10:04:51.160 We could try out some things,

10:04:53.080 but we could try out multiple different methods beforehand.

10:04:55.920 We could see,

10:04:56.980 you know,

10:04:57.240 let's,

10:04:57.740 let's try growing your hair out a little bit,

10:05:00.100 seeing how you feel with that.

10:05:01.540 They do that.

10:05:02.400 Yeah.

10:05:02.880 Yes.

10:05:03.260 They do that.

10:05:03.660 But they're like,

10:05:04.380 mom,

10:05:05.220 I don't want to go through puberty as a male because then like when I'm an adult,

10:05:09.280 that's going to be like,

10:05:10.800 I'm going to face,

10:05:12.860 uh,

10:05:13.460 I'm not going to align with my gender identity.

10:05:17.300 I want to start,

10:05:18.280 I want to prevent going through male pure puberty.

10:05:21.380 I would say that that's a really hard call for a parent to make.

10:05:27.460 It's a hard call.

10:05:28.400 What's your call?

10:05:29.220 You have to make a call.

10:05:30.060 If I had to make a call,

10:05:31.860 I would,

10:05:32.400 I would try and get them to wait a little bit longer so we could make sure that it was a very informed decision.

10:05:37.880 Okay.

10:05:38.060 Sure.

10:05:38.240 So your 13,

10:05:39.220 uh,

10:05:39.460 your 12 year old comes to you and you're like,

10:05:42.340 well,

10:05:42.460 let's wait two years.

10:05:43.320 And then they wait two years.

10:05:44.540 They do all the,

10:05:45.240 like,

10:05:45.460 you know,

10:05:45.720 growing the hair out,

10:05:46.460 maybe dressing a different way.

10:05:47.720 And then they come to you two years later and they're like,

10:05:49.520 yeah,

10:05:49.640 I still feel this way.

10:05:50.460 I would like to get the drugs or whatever.

10:05:53.140 I would say that I would start them.

10:05:56.460 If,

10:05:56.900 if they,

10:05:57.620 after two years still felt the same exact way,

10:06:00.420 I would allow them to take maybe like us,

10:06:04.120 like a low dose of,

10:06:05.700 of something.

10:06:06.680 What if the doc,

10:06:07.340 what if you go see a doctor and the doctor was like,

10:06:09.240 well,

10:06:09.840 this is the dose that's going to be necessary.

10:06:11.480 And this is an expert.

10:06:12.600 And I'm assuming you're going to defer on this expert.

10:06:14.780 Yeah.

10:06:15.000 This person's like,

10:06:15.660 Oh,

10:06:15.800 we have to get this person gender firm in care.

10:06:18.280 And this,

10:06:18.820 the,

10:06:19.000 this is going to require like this dosage.

10:06:22.040 Okay.

10:06:22.560 Are you going to,

10:06:23.240 I would go like,

10:06:24.100 no,

10:06:24.580 no.

10:06:24.820 If the,

10:06:25.260 if the doctor said that this is what I,

10:06:28.380 I would trust a medical profession.

10:06:29.940 Yes.

10:06:30.620 Okay.

10:06:30.880 A medical professional.

10:06:31.680 Okay.

10:06:31.900 Sure.

10:06:32.340 That being said,

10:06:33.420 I would give your 14 year old son puberty,

10:06:36.840 puberty blockers.

10:06:37.800 Yes.

10:06:38.360 But I would not allow them to go through like,

10:06:43.040 you know,

10:06:43.400 a full bottom or top surgery until they were 18,

10:06:47.140 but having blockers until they're 18 gives them some time.

10:06:50.460 And if they change their mind part of the way through,

10:06:52.540 then you can stop the blockers.

10:06:54.180 And then we could,

10:06:54.720 it's not reversible though.

10:06:55.740 You can give them testosterone and there are other treatment plans available.

10:07:00.620 I've,

10:07:01.160 I've,

10:07:01.560 I've seen it in my friend.

10:07:02.600 He successfully re-transitioned.

10:07:04.780 I've seen that.

10:07:07.180 How long has he taken his puberty blockers before he said,

10:07:11.460 I don't want it no more.

10:07:12.040 How long has he taken them?

10:07:13.260 Like 12 to 16.

10:07:17.680 Should a,

10:07:18.460 let me ask you this.

10:07:19.220 Should a 10 year old be allowed to get the tattoo?

10:07:23.480 I mean,

10:07:24.120 I wouldn't give my 10 year old a tattoo.

10:07:27.360 Your 10 year old comes to you and says,

10:07:28.900 I would make him,

10:07:30.020 I would make him wait on that tattoo for two years.

10:07:33.120 The same way that this is.

10:07:34.240 So you'd let your 12 year old get a tattoo.

10:07:36.500 If it was like,

10:07:36.920 I don't know,

10:07:37.320 like a little fucking star or something.

10:07:38.940 If they really wanted it.

10:07:40.020 Like,

10:07:40.180 I don't know if they're,

10:07:41.340 I mean,

10:07:41.840 I'm not going to,

10:07:42.260 I probably wouldn't.

10:07:43.340 A sleeve,

10:07:43.580 arm sleeve.

10:07:44.120 How about that?

10:07:44.800 No,

10:07:45.280 there's compromise.

10:07:46.260 Not everything is black and white.

10:07:47.440 But you would let them get like,

10:07:49.180 but he can cut it.

10:07:50.160 Oh my God.

10:07:50.860 No,

10:07:51.180 I,

10:07:51.520 I literally never said that we would cut it.

10:07:53.940 Any appendage.

10:07:55.040 You'd let your 12,

10:07:56.040 you'd let your 12 year old get a tattoo.

10:07:59.420 If it was like a,

10:08:00.560 like a tiny,

10:08:01.460 tiny,

10:08:01.700 tiny.

10:08:01.720 No,

10:08:01.980 not how about,

10:08:02.700 okay.

10:08:02.940 It's,

10:08:03.280 he's not going to get a face tattoo.

10:08:05.300 No,

10:08:05.680 I wouldn't let my 12 year old get one.

10:08:07.260 I would say if he was 12 and he came to me and he was like,

10:08:09.320 I really want a tattoo.

10:08:10.220 I'd be like,

10:08:10.580 okay,

10:08:10.760 let's wait some time.

10:08:12.280 Then he's 14.

10:08:12.920 We're talking about different ages here.

10:08:17.660 If we're talking about the same exact ages,

10:08:19.300 I feel like I would let my 14 year old,

10:08:21.700 if they thought on that tattoo and it was something small and manageable.

10:08:24.580 And we,

10:08:25.220 we talked and decided that,

10:08:28.160 okay,

10:08:28.280 we'll compromise and do this.

10:08:29.740 If in two years from now,

10:08:31.220 you still want that tiny little star tattoo.

10:08:34.360 I'll,

10:08:34.880 I'll let you get it.

10:08:37.780 I think things are about compromise.

10:08:40.200 You can get a tattoo removed.

10:08:41.740 You don't compromise.

10:08:43.960 You gotta be a parent.

10:08:45.180 Yeah.

10:08:45.380 Come from a parent.

10:08:46.400 What,

10:08:46.640 what,

10:08:46.940 like here,

10:08:48.060 when it comes to,

10:08:48.660 and you've got a parent.

10:08:49.500 So like when it comes to education,

10:08:50.980 when it comes to parenting,

10:08:52.620 compromising is bad.

10:08:53.600 You do realize,

10:08:54.960 you do,

10:08:55.280 no,

10:08:55.480 no,

10:08:55.540 no.

10:08:55.840 You don't,

10:08:56.320 okay.

10:08:57.020 You do realize as a parent,

10:08:58.520 you have authority and responsibility over your children.

10:09:01.100 And you can just say the,

10:09:03.220 the only justification you need to say no to a,

10:09:06.460 to your child is because I said so.

10:09:09.020 I don't agree with that.

10:09:10.560 I don't need to justify.

10:09:11.920 No,

10:09:12.440 you don't do something because I said so.

10:09:15.180 I don't need to tell you why you're going to listen to me.

10:09:17.860 That's it.

10:09:18.920 Well,

10:09:19.160 my parents use that exact argument with me and my brothers,

10:09:21.780 and it did not work out well for them.

10:09:23.600 So what do you mean?

10:09:24.260 I don't mean it was wrong.

10:09:25.200 I mean,

10:09:25.340 y'all were rebellious.

10:09:26.200 Yeah.

10:09:26.440 That means you,

10:09:27.140 you guys were rebellious.

10:09:28.440 That if you're telling someone that they can't have something,

10:09:31.340 they're going to want to do it.

10:09:32.480 What were they trying to prevent you?

10:09:33.760 What were they trying to prevent you from doing?

10:09:36.860 Like pretty much anything.

10:09:38.580 What do you mean?

10:09:40.300 Like that was anytime I asked my parents.

10:09:42.100 Please don't adopt.

10:09:42.980 I'm sorry,

10:09:43.360 but please don't adopt.

10:09:44.380 Okay.

10:09:45.060 Here's the thing is you're putting these,

10:09:47.360 you're putting these like hypothetical situations that I don't think that I

10:09:52.340 would run into.

10:09:52.900 I don't think my child is going to be begging me every single morning and

10:09:56.200 night,

10:09:56.580 noon and night for a tattoo.

10:09:58.060 But they'll beg you to get their balls muted.

10:09:59.860 Um,

10:10:00.620 I told you,

10:10:01.440 I told you,

10:10:02.400 I would not.

10:10:02.580 I said get them muted,

10:10:03.600 which means the,

10:10:04.420 I didn't say cut off.

10:10:05.160 I said,

10:10:05.400 mute it.

10:10:05.840 Stop the process.

10:10:07.040 They're still going to be there.

10:10:08.620 That's not a thing.

10:10:09.900 They're still going to be there.

10:10:11.000 That's crazy,

10:10:11.700 yo.

10:10:11.980 Well,

10:10:12.180 I do think you can chemically castrate,

10:10:14.360 right?

10:10:14.860 Isn't that,

10:10:15.720 I don't know the precise details,

10:10:17.140 but you can chemically castrate yourself.

10:10:19.200 And I think like taking estrogen as a woman,

10:10:23.360 as a man might.

10:10:24.860 Didn't a woman try to be a man to kill herself?

10:10:26.920 I'm not an expert.

10:10:27.420 I'm not an expert.

10:10:27.900 I don't know.

10:10:28.620 Um,

10:10:30.060 you know what?

10:10:31.360 Actually,

10:10:31.640 I take the tattoo thing back now that I've,

10:10:33.700 now that I've thought about it.

10:10:34.720 I take the tattoo thing back.

10:10:36.480 I do.

10:10:37.060 And the re,

10:10:37.680 and the reason for that is,

10:10:38.920 is a tattoo is not part of someone's identity.

10:10:42.360 And a child,

10:10:43.900 you're right.

10:10:44.500 Probably should not be getting a tattoo at age 14.

10:10:48.620 But I actually have met people who have gotten tattoos at age 14 with their parents' permission.

10:10:53.280 I don't judge their parents for it.

10:10:54.760 So just to be clear.

10:10:55.600 So in my,

10:10:56.880 in my worldview,

10:10:58.040 I actually think that,

10:10:59.460 uh,

10:11:00.120 getting a tattoo,

10:11:01.020 like a child getting a tattoo would be actually much more benign than undergoing,

10:11:06.080 uh,

10:11:06.380 like then,

10:11:07.280 uh,

10:11:08.500 taking puberty blockers.

10:11:09.920 But puberty blockers can be.

10:11:13.620 No,

10:11:14.240 it literally can't.

10:11:15.780 They can be stopped and you can take,

10:11:18.060 you can take other hormones to replace.

10:11:20.880 Let me ask you a question.

10:11:21.920 So if,

10:11:22.480 if I current,

10:11:24.040 current day took estrogen for the next three years,

10:11:27.160 and I,

10:11:27.820 I'm not going to go through puberty at all.

10:11:29.620 If I took estrogen for three years and then I then go and take testosterone to make up for it for three years,

10:11:36.860 you don't think that that's going to have,

10:11:38.720 even as somebody who's already gone through puberty,

10:11:41.120 you don't think that's,

10:11:42.020 that's going to have significant ramifications on my health.

10:11:47.320 I honestly don't know.

10:11:48.700 I'm not a medical professional with that.

10:11:50.560 Why else would you,

10:11:51.320 why else would you take these drugs if not to affect some sort of change?

10:11:56.740 Yes.

10:11:59.400 You're trying to affect some sort of change.

10:12:01.480 Okay.

10:12:01.500 Let me ask you a question.

10:12:02.240 You're trying to create.

10:12:03.600 So if I took,

10:12:04.440 I'm already a bit overweight.

10:12:06.540 I need to lose a bit of weight.

10:12:07.940 I already got some titties going.

10:12:08.980 Right.

10:12:09.120 But Joe,

10:12:10.780 but like if I took estrogen,

10:12:12.260 I would start like proper developing some,

10:12:14.940 some titties.

10:12:15.880 Right.

10:12:16.300 And so do you think that they would disappear once I get off?

10:12:22.340 Like that's just permanent son.

10:12:24.180 I wouldn't get that removed by surgery.

10:12:26.520 Right.

10:12:26.720 Yeah.

10:12:27.260 But that's,

10:12:27.800 that,

10:12:28.360 that's not like that requires surgical intervention then to fix,

10:12:32.120 but it can still be fixed.

10:12:33.640 But it means it's not natural.

10:12:34.660 That means it's manmade.

10:12:36.000 It's synthetic.

10:12:36.580 It's not real.

10:12:37.440 A lot of things are manmade.

10:12:38.960 Yeah.

10:12:39.340 And a lot of things are fucking the world up because of that.

10:12:42.820 My goodness.

10:12:43.680 The dye in your clothing is manmade.

10:12:45.620 That is.

10:12:45.820 We'll agree to disagree with this one.

10:12:46.120 Please Lord.

10:12:46.880 Yeah.

10:12:47.020 Yeah.

10:12:47.120 Yeah.

10:12:47.560 Okay.

10:12:47.860 Is there a 10 hours deep on this right now?

10:12:50.480 Like I got a two hour drive.

10:12:51.900 Yeah.

10:12:52.260 We're wrapping.

10:12:52.820 We're wrapping.

10:12:53.600 It's just,

10:12:54.380 it's crazy to me.

10:12:55.620 Like yes to puberty blockers,

10:12:57.800 but no to the tattoo,

10:12:58.940 which seems way less like.

10:13:00.740 Because one,

10:13:01.300 someone's identity and how they view themselves.

10:13:03.480 And also I would have to live with it on my conscience either way.

10:13:09.020 Right.

10:13:09.480 Either way.

10:13:10.140 As a parent,

10:13:10.860 if your child comes to you crying and begging you for something,

10:13:15.260 because they don't.

10:13:16.420 You give in.

10:13:17.200 No,

10:13:17.380 no,

10:13:17.500 no,

10:13:17.640 no,

10:13:17.840 no,

10:13:18.120 no,

10:13:18.220 you would give in.

10:13:18.780 No,

10:13:18.880 no,

10:13:18.920 no.

10:13:19.160 Can I finish begging you that they don't feel like,

10:13:23.260 like human in their own skin and you say no.

10:13:27.200 And then they kill themselves.

10:13:28.600 You,

10:13:29.100 you would,

10:13:29.640 you would feel responsible for saying no.

10:13:31.560 Let me ask you a question.

10:13:32.100 If you say yes,

10:13:32.820 then you would feel responsible if they decide to de-transition.

10:13:36.720 So you're fucked either way.

10:13:37.980 Let me ask you a question.

10:13:39.120 Uh,

10:13:39.440 Oh,

10:13:39.720 okay.

10:13:41.060 Well,

10:13:41.300 you basically made the argument that I was about to make,

10:13:43.560 but like,

10:13:43.860 let's say they get these,

10:13:44.880 the puberty blockers and then they regret it later on in life.

10:13:48.020 And then they self delete themselves because of the,

10:13:51.520 the regret that they feel over the mistake they made that you as a parent allowed.

10:13:55.920 I mean,

10:13:56.300 so it can go both ways.

10:13:57.180 It can go both ways.

10:13:58.160 Right.

10:13:58.460 So then wouldn't it be,

10:13:59.640 but wouldn't it make sense then to err on the side of,

10:14:03.420 how about you wait until you're 18 and then look,

10:14:06.700 you're legally an adult.

10:14:07.960 You can be,

10:14:08.460 you're emancipated.

10:14:10.100 You can make those decisions.

10:14:11.660 You can't undo the puberty.

10:14:13.300 You can't undo.

10:14:14.140 The same can be applied to de-transitioners.

10:14:16.280 You can't undo.

10:14:17.560 It's easier that way than it is to try and because you'd have,

10:14:23.540 they'd for men,

10:14:24.520 they'd have to go and get lots of bone shaving surgeries because of the puberty

10:14:30.260 where that wouldn't be required.

10:14:32.840 You know,

10:14:33.220 some,

10:14:33.780 some skin removal,

10:14:35.400 some fat removal,

10:14:36.360 breast tissue.

10:14:37.120 That's different than shaving off parts of your fucking bone.

10:14:39.940 That's way more painful.

10:14:40.640 All that shit is not as weird and unnatural.

10:14:42.120 It's all fucked up,

10:14:43.060 man.

10:14:43.300 What are you talking about?

10:14:43.980 Have you,

10:14:44.360 have you seen a feminization surgery for a man?

10:14:47.000 It's extremely painful.

10:14:49.160 And that would,

10:14:49.640 which is why we shouldn't do it,

10:14:50.520 which is making a point.

10:14:51.760 It's all extremely painful because it's not natural.

10:14:53.820 You're not supposed to be getting cut on to change your gender.

10:14:56.320 Just because somebody brought it up,

10:14:57.300 don't mean this fucking shit is really.

10:14:58.080 No,

10:14:58.140 I'm not talking about bottom surgery.

10:14:59.760 I'm talking about.

10:15:00.880 You're not supposed to be getting cut on unless it's very different.

10:15:04.200 You're not supposed to be getting cut open unless you're having a surgery for like a health

10:15:07.800 issue.

10:15:08.340 Not for that.

10:15:09.020 That's dumb as hell.

10:15:09.920 We agree to dish the hell agree.

10:15:12.960 Yes.

10:15:13.300 Please.

10:15:13.660 Thank you.

10:15:15.260 It's two down,

10:15:16.220 please let's go on.

10:15:17.660 I got two.

10:15:18.280 Yeah,

10:15:18.480 we're going to wrap.

10:15:19.220 Okay guys,

10:15:20.040 let's see here.

10:15:21.620 Oh boy,

10:15:22.160 who are we going to raid?

10:15:23.480 We're going to,

10:15:24.380 okay.

10:15:24.500 On Twitch,

10:15:24.920 we're going to raid Ampy.

10:15:26.840 Let's see here.

10:15:27.780 Okay.

10:15:27.980 We're all caught up on all that.

10:15:30.960 This is one of the wildest panels.

10:15:32.820 It was good.

10:15:33.360 Like it was a really interesting conversation.

10:15:36.960 Super interesting conversation.

10:15:39.060 And I just want to like,

10:15:40.180 I know I disagree with some of you here.

10:15:42.020 There's no bad blood at all.

10:15:43.520 It makes for an interesting conversation.

10:15:45.580 I'll say it.

10:15:46.120 I have no ill will towards it,

10:15:47.580 even if it got heated in certain moments.

10:15:50.400 Those of you who disagreed,

10:15:51.560 I actually appreciate that you disagreed.

10:15:53.320 I think conversations like this are necessary.

10:15:56.620 You know,

10:15:57.380 if we just go in our separate bubbles,

10:15:59.480 never have conversations,

10:16:01.020 it just get,

10:16:01.560 things get very polarized.

10:16:03.200 So I think conversations like this are important.

10:16:05.340 I want to thank you.

10:16:05.920 I want to thank you.

10:16:06.480 I want to thank any of you guys who had a disagreement with me.

10:16:09.580 Take none of it personally whatsoever.

10:16:11.280 You guys were super dope.

10:16:12.680 You made for awesome,

10:16:13.880 entertaining,

10:16:14.720 fun,

10:16:15.360 lively,

10:16:15.760 lively show.

10:16:17.020 So thank you guys so much.

10:16:18.960 Let me just get this wrapped up here.

10:16:21.100 Okay.

10:16:22.420 Let's see.

10:16:26.800 Okay.

10:16:27.680 GG.

10:16:28.300 Well played.

10:16:29.080 To the panel.

10:16:29.580 Last call.

10:16:30.040 Hit the like button,

10:16:30.680 please.

10:16:31.100 On your way out.

10:16:31.600 Can you pull up the light thing?

10:16:32.740 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

10:16:33.860 You could have been anywhere in the world.

10:16:34.820 You're here with me.

10:16:35.660 I was completely exalted.

10:16:36.860 And I didn't do wrath.

10:16:38.060 Hold on.

10:16:38.360 Hold on.

10:16:38.660 Make it stop.

10:16:39.840 Hold on.

10:16:40.260 Hold on.

10:16:40.800 That's not what I meant.

10:16:42.420 Guys,

10:16:42.840 like the video,

10:16:43.400 please on your way out.

10:16:46.560 Thank you to everyone who super chats,

10:16:48.120 donates and supports the show.

10:16:49.580 Thank you to the wonderful panel.

10:16:51.100 Literally,

10:16:51.440 you guys were fantastic.

10:16:52.500 This is one of the best panels we've had in a very long time.

10:16:55.420 I appreciate you guys staying late.

10:16:56.760 I know this,

10:16:57.240 this was a long show.

10:16:58.640 So I do want to thank you guys for that.

10:17:00.120 Any girls who want to be on the show,

10:17:01.000 you can DM out whatever on Instagram.

10:17:02.840 If you can make it sound,

10:17:03.580 Barbara,

10:17:04.040 let's pull up the,

10:17:06.680 we're going to raid Ampy.

10:17:07.540 He's playing world of Warcraft.

10:17:08.880 He's on retail.

10:17:12.720 Oh,

10:17:12.880 there he is.

10:17:13.340 I have like stats.

10:17:15.140 All right.

10:17:17.260 Hold on.

10:17:17.840 I want to look here in a sec.

10:17:20.080 Guys,

10:17:20.420 thank you for watching over there on Twitch.

10:17:22.620 Thank you guys for watching over there.

10:17:23.840 It's actually not that crazy because

10:17:25.480 can you lower the volume?

10:17:26.560 I,

10:17:26.960 um,

10:17:28.300 I read logged on this Hunter all through,

10:17:30.420 um,

10:17:31.840 wrath pretty much guys.

10:17:33.400 He's playing.

10:17:34.160 It looks like he was playing hard.

10:17:35.140 Like most of my plate is from classic.

10:17:36.780 Okay.

10:17:37.560 Yeah.

10:17:37.760 See,

10:17:38.440 uh,

10:17:38.980 I have 252 days on this character and only 25 and wrath of the Lich King.

10:17:42.860 Oh,

10:17:43.100 you might be sending his stream soon.

10:17:44.700 I'll,

10:17:45.040 I'll rate him.

10:17:45.540 Nevertheless.

10:17:46.480 Uh,

10:17:46.840 that's okay guys.

10:17:49.340 Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.

10:17:50.940 Uh,

10:17:51.420 tell 90% of my time on this character was out of wrath.

10:17:53.540 I hope you guys have a good night on Twitch.

10:17:54.940 It's fucking crazy.

10:17:55.460 Sending that over now.

10:17:58.480 Oh,

10:17:58.840 I should have said,

10:17:59.400 tell him the like,

10:18:00.040 uh,

10:18:00.240 whatever.

10:18:00.960 On,

10:18:01.340 uh,

10:18:01.780 on,

10:18:01.860 on,

10:18:02.780 on,

10:18:03.780 on,

10:18:04.780 on,

10:18:05.780 on,

10:18:06.780 on,

10:18:07.780 on,

10:18:09.780 on,

10:18:10.780 on,

10:18:11.780 on,

10:18:12.780 on,

10:18:13.780 on,

10:18:14.780 on,

10:18:15.780 on,

10:18:15.800 250 is a lot.

10:18:21.740 250 is not a lot for 20 years.

10:18:24.000 This is five years.

10:18:25.880 What is this character?

10:18:27.280 Yo,

10:18:27.820 whatever with the raid.

10:18:28.640 Welcome in guys.

10:18:29.600 I was just,

10:18:30.300 I was just,

10:18:30.960 uh,

10:18:31.540 going through my character.

10:18:33.620 This is a really,

10:18:34.780 this is my classic character.

10:18:38.880 All right.

10:18:40.180 All right.

10:18:40.760 There it is.

10:18:41.580 There it is.

10:18:42.340 All right,

10:18:42.760 guys,

10:18:43.160 like the video on your way out.

10:18:45.340 Uh,

10:18:45.700 let me just double check.

10:18:46.500 Nope.

10:18:46.680 Okay.

10:18:46.820 We're all getting on chat.

10:18:47.620 All right,

10:18:48.000 guys.

10:18:48.320 Oh,

10:18:48.560 sevens in the chat.

10:18:50.000 Oh,

10:18:50.240 sevens in the chat.

10:18:51.340 I hope you guys have,

10:18:52.320 uh,

10:18:54.360 I hope you guys have a good night.

10:18:55.560 We'll see you guys on Tuesday.

10:18:57.220 Good night,

10:18:57.480 guys.

10:18:57.720 Okay.

10:18:57.860 We'll see you guys on Tuesday.

10:19:19.960 Bye.

10:19:20.340 Bye.

10:19:20.640 Bye.

10:19:21.140 Bye.

10:19:22.360 Bye.

10:19:22.780 Bye.

Whatever Podcast - November 18, 2024

WILDEST SHOW EVER？! HEATED Debate With SUPER Woke Liberal Feminist LA Girls？! ｜ Dating Talk #213

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