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00:02:28.540 whatever channel with that said without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce

00:02:31.600 themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead hi i'm callie i'm 26 i'm a

00:02:39.500 fire performer and i'm also a mom and a personal trainer and i'm from southern california okay

00:02:45.920 all right what's a uh fire performer i perform with fire props for events like parties um i've done

00:02:56.560 it for like album release parties for musicians it really just depends

00:03:01.300 i i still feel like i don't actually know what a what a what a fire performer you know you know fire

00:03:08.240 you know fire breathing like people who breathe fire yeah you do that right yeah i do that in different

00:03:14.280 props there's so many so yeah like in the circus like the fight the guys in the circus who blew yeah

00:03:20.260 that's how we met actually in the circus yeah that's how i got the human circus okay

00:03:25.840 as opposed to the animal oh yeah they don't combine they're not combined yeah it was a joke i thought

00:03:33.860 it was oh okay huh so and you're you also describe yourself as a professional hot girl shapeshifter

00:03:41.140 um what what does that mean um i mean i make a living off being a fire performer um people give me

00:03:51.780 money because i'm entertaining and they want to look at me and watch me do fire so i'm a professional

00:03:57.040 hot girl shapeshifter what's a shapeshifter i mean i wear wigs sometimes um you know just depending on the

00:04:04.540 vibe so i feel like you know women are shapeshifters how so like we could change our looks whenever we

00:04:11.880 want for funsies or for funsies yeah like do you mean trans stuff or like shapeshifting i feel like

00:04:18.920 they no i just mean like that would that would be shapeshifting that would be that's a good name

00:04:26.500 for transgender person huh is your life yeah i prefer decepticon decepticon that's a good one

00:04:38.800 okay all right um and then also what are your pronouns you put your pronouns in your ig so what

00:04:45.100 are your pronouns she her what do you feel really quick uh and we'll get to the rest of the intros

00:04:49.480 do you know aoc i don't know what that means oh uh alexandria ocasio-cortez she's a democratic

00:04:57.260 senator she's a representative she's in the house of reps yeah you don't know i don't follow politics

00:05:04.500 oh she well she's a democrat and she recently took her pronouns out of her twitto twitto x bio

00:05:12.120 and they were all angry people were very upset on that side i mean i'm definitely a cis woman i'm a

00:05:18.560 woman born a woman in a woman's body okay for the record my pronouns are we us okay what about you

00:05:26.300 hi i'm bridget machado i'm 20 years old i'm from southern california i'm a full-time student

00:05:31.420 and i go to coastline community college studying public health science okay going back to you

00:05:36.280 really quick uh any schooling high school college no okay all right what about you hello my name is

00:05:44.440 amelia davis and i'm 23 years old i consider myself an entrepreneur i'm also a model a jeweler

00:05:50.760 and currently i'm studying to become an rn i'm a certified ma as well and yeah right now i'm just

00:05:57.680 living in la i moved there from orange county and i'm originally from mexico what's the nature of your

00:06:03.360 entrepreneurship um the nature is basically i do everything i come to like um owning my own

00:06:08.640 business as a jeweler and okay and um entertainment industry as a model and yeah anything i can do

00:06:15.500 i'll do when you when you say you're a jeweler um i am passingly familiar with the uh craft of jewelry

00:06:22.760 making uh a friend of mine who did it for many years do you actually make jewelry or do you just sell it

00:06:28.860 so we source natural gems and diamonds to jewelry stores that are already established so they go ahead

00:06:34.440 and use my gemstones that are gia certified and as well as a personal jeweler if you want something

00:06:40.180 custom like a cuban link or like a chain with um certain i guess i'm asking you personally do you

00:06:46.360 personally like oh no my business partner my business partner is the one who makes the jewelry but i'm the

00:06:51.320 one who is the owner of the business i see okay thank you all right and school oh yes i go to saddleback

00:06:59.980 and i'm studying to become an rn god hopefully i can transfer uci after that you you don't have

00:07:05.620 your bachelor's yet not yet but i will got it all right what about you hello everyone my name is

00:07:10.160 gina prada i'm a certified personal trainer and i'm 21 all right welcome uh school any school yeah um

00:07:17.900 i went to international sports science association and you got your bachelor's or what no i just got

00:07:23.740 certified for training so i'm currently going to go back into school probably for nursing but i'm still

00:07:27.480 weighing down my options because i don't really know like if i want to go into nursing so i'm still

00:07:31.040 getting all my income from just training right now okay all right what about you my name is emily i'm 22

00:07:37.620 years old from orange county i'm a bud tender but also a singer songwriter and i just graduated from

00:07:44.420 long beach state with a bachelor's in psychology in psychology okay all right and what do you do you

00:07:50.220 know what you want to do with that or yeah so i'm planning to get my master's or certifications to

00:07:56.160 pursue psychedelic assisted psychotherapy so like uh what is it ketamine or whatever that

00:08:01.900 psilocybin mdma yeah all the above all right and you're a singer singer songwriter yeah so i'm all

00:08:07.840 about healing whether it's through music or like spirituality or are you a soprano medicine i am

00:08:14.040 let's hear something hear what hang on hang on you add the words for me before you say

00:08:20.380 and you add the word journey somewhere and whatever you say journey like healing journey

00:08:25.880 healing journey yeah you want me to freestyle right now yeah i was expecting song requests do

00:08:31.720 you know a song with the word journey journey yeah you sing journey you know the band journey

00:08:36.220 don't stop believing that song right yeah that's that's the only journey i know love steve perry yeah

00:08:47.200 i won't sing none of my music right now but if you want to check that out do you do you write any of

00:08:51.380 your own music i write all my own music okay let's hear something okay um always acting like this the last

00:09:01.100 time but you always change my mind just one last time go through it all again don't want this shit to

00:09:13.260 end all right there you have it

00:09:17.020 i'm healed i'm healed

00:09:19.580 oh hi my name is catalina i'm 28 years old i am from los angeles california currently of a month

00:09:30.420 i own three different companies i own a event company called divergent events

00:09:38.820 i own a photography company so i do photography and i'm a porn producer

00:09:43.700 uh when you say divergent so you're you own an event company that's called divergent events in which way

00:09:50.100 are your events divergent um so i like to think that my events completely different than a lot of events

00:09:57.700 so i'm basically a third party that gets uh i would say in a venue for the girls to work with

00:10:05.540 photographers in a safe space where they don't feel like they're taken advantage of and they can grow

00:10:11.940 in their field of work because as being a model and actress i've definitely been taken advantage of

00:10:19.540 and is this you primarily work with uh people in the adult industry or um not at this moment but i'm i

00:10:27.140 have created a couple pornos like produced them like and you're in them correct no no no i'm not

00:10:34.820 in them i hired you're a pornographer well i'm direct the films oh but you're not no you have an

00:10:41.300 only fans correct i don't even use it i just put it up there just for the views i don't even i post

00:10:47.220 what i have on instagram on there it's not like okay nothing really provocative but you have

00:10:51.620 distributed nude photographs of yourself on the internet is that correct uh i guess so yeah yeah

00:10:57.620 okay i i used to be a porn star okay oh you used to be a porn star yeah five years ago so you were

00:11:04.020 working in the like traditional uh porn industry yeah i've been in every industry you can think of

00:11:09.220 i'm in main films i'm in the goat milk industry nope wait i'm so confused what does that mean you said

00:11:18.100 you said you've been in like every single industry so i don't know just entertainment industry oh

00:11:21.860 entertainment so except for the music except for the music industry i don't have like i'm i don't

00:11:27.540 think i have music talent going on there so just the mainstream movie so you uh when you were doing

00:11:33.220 the adult content like five years ago or whatever what was the i guess nature of the productions you

00:11:37.860 were in was it solo content bg content like yeah bg like pervy city naughty america like simple

00:11:43.380 um have you like orgy stuff no nothing crazy threesomes i only did like maybe like six films

00:11:50.340 maybe six total okay so i never really got and then i switched over into the mainstream industry

00:11:54.340 so how many bg scenes did you do they mostly put me in like deep threading stuff like not bg blowjobs

00:12:03.220 but that would still be bg isn't that when a guy puts his penis in a woman well boy girl bg

00:12:09.780 oh okay yeah yeah no you're right unless it's like no i'm not i'm straight shit i'm not about that

00:12:17.140 yeah yeah um so you did a couple bg scenes with with men yeah okay yeah all right yeah what about

00:12:23.620 you i'm tanya i'm 38 and i'm from new york and i am a teacher esl teacher english as a second language

00:12:32.260 all right cool um school any school bachelor's degree in business all right and then any schooling

00:12:39.460 for you um no no i'm pretty successful without all that okay you didn't go to college at all okay no

00:12:45.860 actually i have like a i have a couple semesters and i never really went back all right uh deborah

00:12:51.220 what about you hi good to be back brian welcome back welcome back hey i'm deborah leah i'm from new

00:12:56.660 york city i'm 24 years old and i have a bachelor's degree in government and politics and my full-time

00:13:01.860 occupation is political influencing political commentary on the news all right welcome welcome

00:13:07.780 and uh you were on one of our most viewed podcasts the gorlock episode that was like a year and a half

00:13:13.940 ago so welcome back welcome back uh right now less surprises this time we didn't find that out yeah

00:13:20.580 maybe three or four hours into the what happened somebody put like a i was asking that was different

00:13:25.780 i also got zinned on this show last time i blame you why blame me wasn't it uh it was chase but you

00:13:32.740 yelled at me for choking oh like deborah shut up why are you screaming i'm like help call the police

00:13:39.620 yeah you uh anyways whatever uh so okay uh clear cups this time so i'm watching you clear cups no one

00:13:45.860 around me well i didn't chase i don't know must have put his like spit out his thing and then

00:13:52.660 you took a sip of what happened to me before and you you stole his cup no he spit it into my

00:13:57.940 you stole his cup thinking it was you stole his cup yeah blame the woman blame the woman that's my

00:14:04.100 job um

00:14:07.380 a nicotine patch that people keep in their mouth and suck on like two wait was it actually a

00:14:12.100 zin or was it like a full-blown tobacco it was a chew well you're lucky it wasn't

00:14:15.380 chew that would be nastier i thought someone spit in my cup at first like guys there's something thick

00:14:19.140 oh no and it was um a really traumatic experience i'm impressed i'm even back here today

00:14:26.260 traumatic you haven't lived until you've been at a party and you've been drunk and you reached

00:14:30.420 over and grabbed somebody's choose pick cup by action like what do you mean it's uh or a can

00:14:36.740 for the immune system that's almost happened to me so i put like cigarette in their can and my

00:14:39.940 coke and i like almost like drinks out of it until i i felt the butt on my lip i was like oh my god

00:14:44.260 this is not it watch your cups everybody we need the cup protectors all right um so anyways uh

00:14:52.100 andrew what about you

00:14:55.460 yeah my name is andrew wilson i'm the host of the crucible it's a popular entertainment

00:14:59.140 channel on youtube i'm a political analyst political satirist i enjoy doing conversations

00:15:04.260 debates of all types and i'm glad to have this conversation with you girls today

00:15:08.420 all right uh so going around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so

00:15:18.580 are you single talking stage situationship married whatever it is if you're single how long have you

00:15:23.620 been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead i'm in the process of

00:15:28.340 getting divorced um that was my longest relationship five years um yeah single

00:15:35.860 uh so how long have you guys been separated

00:15:43.140 four months all right have you dated since then um i've talked to a couple people um but i mean

00:15:54.500 nothing really profound feel like i'm more interested in getting divorced before i'm ready to go into

00:16:02.020 another relationship was it an open marriage we were polyamorous so under that blanket

00:16:09.700 who um who wanted the polyamorous aspect of the relationship and did it start that way

00:16:16.180 um so i was the one that petitioned for polyamory um it didn't start that way um but

00:16:24.180 prior to that um my previous two relationships were polyamorous relationships

00:16:29.060 um when we got together it was shortly after i had been sexually assaulted by a man so i wasn't in

00:16:35.140 a position to be with really more than one person um but with a lot of therapy and help um i remembered

00:16:42.900 who i was and also i'm queer as fuck so wait queer as fuck as fuck as yeah okay what's the difference

00:16:50.660 between queer and then queer as fuck um i would say i lean more towards being queer than

00:16:57.860 like towards men what's the difference between polyamorous and an open relationship i mean they're

00:17:04.420 essentially the same thing an open relationship is you know you have other romantic and sexual

00:17:11.300 partners um polyamorous is you actually are having other relationships so it's like a defined

00:17:17.460 relationship like boyfriend girlfriend partner um and you love them so it's more than just like

00:17:22.900 sexual were you sleeping with were you sleeping with other men as well as women though yes yeah okay

00:17:30.260 okay so during the course of your marriage you were sleeping with other people your part your boyfriend

00:17:35.780 husband husband he was also sleeping with other people okay um but you asked to open it up was

00:17:42.980 there any pushback initially or um i mean initially yes because he was asking you know kind of like

00:17:51.460 how did this come about and you know when i explained like well this is who i was he said well i thought

00:17:58.100 that when we got together it was just gonna be us but um ultimately like he wanted it too um and he

00:18:05.860 wanted to experience different people so um i was all for it well if i'm just curious um so if if he

00:18:15.860 wanted it then how come you were the one who brought it up well i mean everything is just a conversation

00:18:22.820 right a conversation for discussion so if something's not happening and it's like well what would this be

00:18:28.500 like or you know like i'm sure you ask your partner a million questions in a day like what do you think

00:18:33.620 about this so yeah um also because i am queer i mean i wanted to be with women and he isn't yeah but

00:18:42.340 you were also with other men right yes yeah so i mean that's that's usually a sticking point for men

00:18:49.220 uh generally speaking i think on the polyamorous front i've talked to some men who if they're you

00:18:55.460 know their girl or wife or whatever is exclusively with other women they seem to not mind that nearly as

00:19:02.020 much as if they're with other men that seems to be the like big sticking point right

00:19:08.900 so i don't i was i was just curious i mean i think it's fair if you're you know in an open

00:19:14.740 relationship or polyamorous if you should be allowed to pursue a hundred percent of people that

00:19:20.500 you find attractive you know and then obviously if someone agrees you know to parameters and boundaries

00:19:26.100 and that that's fine as long as it's ethical um we just agreed that it was fine so i just have one

00:19:32.500 more brief question i'll turn it back over to brian um just wondering your take okay what is the purpose

00:19:38.500 of getting married if you want to be in a polyamorous relationship

00:19:43.460 um i mean we had a daughter we have a daughter um you know i wanted a family but um i also wanted to

00:19:52.340 continue to be with women and um i have a lot of love to give well wait wait and men right i don't

00:19:59.140 know like it it seems like there's such a pivot here it's just like i just want to be with other

00:20:03.460 women it's like but no no well i should say men right yeah i guess i should say other people yeah

00:20:09.460 other people okay that makes more sense so um so yeah i'm not like if you if the purpose was family

00:20:17.300 right the idea here is you wanted to have a family uh i don't see why you couldn't do that

00:20:22.340 same exact thing that you were doing absent the marriage um i mean i've just never been in a long

00:20:29.700 term monogamous relationship personally so i mean no shame to people that want to do that i think

00:20:36.420 whatever floats your boat whatever makes you happy um we just agreed that you know that was the

00:20:42.420 relationship structure of our marriage and it was ethical and we were okay with it so yeah no i i

00:20:48.180 understand all that i'm just i'm just curious as to what the actual purpose of the marriage part is

00:20:53.220 like so you could do all of that absent marriage right like you could still have the daughter you

00:20:57.460 can still have the guy you can still have the you know you do all that minus so i don't actually

00:21:03.540 understand the purpose of the marriage aspect

00:21:05.380 um i mean we wanted to be married so i think we got married the the license part of it like

00:21:14.260 having a business with your partner basically when you get married it's like a business or a license

00:21:18.580 you're signing away yeah i mean um well he proposed to you right yeah so like you weren't pushing for

00:21:25.940 marriage he what he just proposed out no i mean we we talked about it we talked about you know wanting

00:21:32.020 to get married um and you know having children and these things so i think also for me i see now in

00:21:40.180 retrospect i feel like i was just following a relationship escalator you know society says

00:21:45.300 this is what a relationship is you meet someone and you guys fall in love and then you get engaged

00:21:49.460 and then you get the house and then you get the dogs and then you get the baby and then you're married

00:21:53.700 you know were you polly before you got married with this guy yes a couple questions here okay so

00:22:01.700 let's do a bit of a timeline you guys were married for how long um three years and together for five

00:22:08.740 yes total okay so you met him it started out monogamous is that correct correct okay how soon

00:22:17.220 into the relation uh relationship did you want to open it up i would say after a year after one year

00:22:24.260 so this is prior to you guys being married correct okay and uh huh because you said this is who i've

00:22:33.060 always been did you had you not disclosed to him during the like that you were polly no i mean i

00:22:42.580 disclosed it i mean you just asked if there was any pushback and i i expressed you know there was just

00:22:47.940 i guess some confusion on his end why why did you accept monogamy to begin with i mean you that's

00:22:54.100 what happened right i mean it wasn't me accepting it i think you know you just see someone you like

00:22:59.860 them you guys continue seeing each other i'm not really sure it's so crazy about that it's not

00:23:05.060 like well how long was it exclusive for you said a year mm-hmm but you're polyamorous why did you

00:23:10.820 i explained i was sexually assaulted by a man prior to meeting him so i had to go to a lot of therapy

00:23:18.260 for that oh he was like he was like a stable safe place for you i loved him yeah well i mean i i

00:23:26.820 understand that but yeah i mean he helped me through that there was like this this prior event that

00:23:31.620 happened which obviously is horrible right sorry that that happened to you but um but but is

00:23:38.020 were you looking at this guy as kind of a rock right or something that was very stable

00:23:42.340 because this event because you seem to tie these two events together well no you guys keep asking

00:23:48.900 me specifically like you know why did you decide after a year so i explained i had to go to therapy

00:23:56.420 you know i had to work on myself i had to become confident again find my voice do all these things and

00:24:02.420 then you know remembered who i was do you think that the therapy assisted in your decision to move

00:24:08.740 to polyamorous relationship in your marriage no my therapy didn't decide that no not decided did it

00:24:17.460 did it assist because you said you were using the therapy to find yourself and get back into who you

00:24:23.780 are this kind of thing so did the therapy actually assist you into the self-discovery aspect that you are

00:24:30.420 indeed polyamorous yes okay i see but you have been in uh polyamorous relationships before right

00:24:42.100 yes okay but we just have audio people listening just audio so if you just shake your head

00:24:48.020 so you can confirm you just got to say yes no whatever um all right so what about you i've only been in

00:24:55.140 one relationship and it's been for five years we're still going very strong all right is it your

00:25:01.460 only relationship or yes okay relationship five years all right what about you well i just broke up

00:25:08.180 with my ex-boyfriend i was with them since i was 17 years old we were together consistently for four

00:25:13.540 years i broke up with him i turned 21 because he was like very toxic very controlling and so i took a

00:25:20.820 year um off and he flew out a girl from oregon and started living with her and um then he started

00:25:27.060 trying to talk to me again to get back together while the girl was still living at his house and i

00:25:30.900 had no idea i thought he was just we're gonna get back together and so anyways they end up breaking up

00:25:37.060 and i end up coming back to his house and living with him and starting over again and then i just

00:25:41.780 broke up with him recently again at 23 how long was the break the break wasn't a year one year okay one

00:25:47.300 year who uh who wanted the break i wanted the break um he kind of cut my hair um yeah when i was

00:25:54.100 sleeping and so what yeah no we need more details yeah that's not something you just what do you mean

00:25:59.540 he cut your hair yeah so what happened like he had very bad mental health issues and very controlling

00:26:04.660 very because nobody just freaking cut somebody's hair no and i've been nothing but good to him he was my

00:26:09.220 first relationship so i was 17 years old and before that my parents never let me date so i was just like

00:26:14.340 perfectly pure innocent and i wanted a serious relationship and so i was like the third girl

00:26:20.420 that he had like moved in with he was 20 years old at the time and i was 17 two months before i turned 18

00:26:25.060 so not that weird and also like older guys too so yeah everything was good and fast forward um when

00:26:33.780 during the break he when he was living with the girl i was um trying to move on because my man's with

00:26:39.860 somebody else you know moving on so i downloaded hinge started talking to guys flirting on snapchat

00:26:46.980 sending like like cute like like pictures and stuff like that you know and so i didn't think about

00:26:52.660 deleting any of my old previous like my guys i was talking to on and so one day we went out to the

00:26:58.980 bar while we're like still trying to talk and get back together we didn't fire anything it was amazing

00:27:04.100 we went back home he invited friends over and i just got completely blacked out drunk because i felt i

00:27:08.900 felt safe with him it was my safe place since i was 17 years old so i go upstairs i passed out my hair

00:27:13.140 was so long at the time and he somehow got into my phone when i was sleeping and he was on drugs like

00:27:20.260 not drugs like blow or whatever and drinking alcohol and so he was blacked out and he got into my phone

00:27:25.540 and like saw all my previous messages that i was talking to when he was dating that girl and somehow he

00:27:30.820 got really jealous and enraged that i was doing that when he was it makes no sense it's like as i'm saying

00:27:36.740 mental illness and so he decided to cut my hair when i was passed out blacked out drunk how much

00:27:41.460 did he cut it's he gave me like a little mullet i have like a picture on my phone he like cut the

00:27:45.540 top layer he gave you a mullet kind of like a mullet like he let me like the long my long hair down

00:27:50.420 and like the top layer of my hair just like jagged it up that's awesome and yes i was i did nothing

00:27:58.500 i did nothing to this man i've been nothing but loyal to this man bought him um a phone clothes helped him

00:28:03.940 um i was his mechanic monkey because he like old cars mechanic it's always the charity cases

00:28:11.300 no but this his dad owns urban construction company and his dad has two yachts a plane he's

00:28:16.980 like born and raised in the laguna niguel like rich boy can i name put like his name because

00:28:22.020 yours need to be careful okay nevermind i won't get into that but anyways yeah i i has been through

00:28:27.700 the ringer i've been through the ringer with this with this man he was the love of my life the first man

00:28:32.180 i've ever loved and hang on one second one second so i mean you say you're nothing but loyal but i

00:28:38.340 mean you dump the guy right yeah because he was controlling and like holding me back and wouldn't

00:28:42.900 let me be who i needed who i knew i needed to be in my life well i mean but that doesn't sound like

00:28:47.460 nothing but loyal wait me or him bro andrew hold on are you really defending somebody who cut somebody's

00:28:54.340 hair off in her sleep yeah but this was before he cut the hair though so wait well i'm confused

00:29:01.700 the second time yeah the second time we broke up and we got back together the second time i get it

00:29:08.340 i get it and then though is that before this happened yeah before all this happened you said

00:29:13.060 well i was nothing i'm nothing but loyal this and that it's like well i stand by that hang on hang on

00:29:17.220 that it's not really if you dumped him that's not nothing but loyal yeah i can't be with the man who

00:29:22.340 cut my hair i don't want to brag to my kids like oh yeah your dad back in our 20s but didn't you

00:29:26.820 dump him before he cut your hair yes because he was controlling and toxic and i was trying to give

00:29:30.740 him another chance i believe in second chances so okay but hang on hang on let's back up let's back

00:29:35.540 up i don't understand how you can say though uh well i can't be with someone who cut my hair it's

00:29:41.140 like what you dumped him before you he cut your hair i don't i don't wait andrew i gotta let me just

00:29:45.620 yes this is very rare for me to all right andrew are you saying that if you break up with somebody

00:29:51.380 ergo you are not loyal like there's yeah seriously i'm just trying to understand the position to date

00:29:55.620 someone forever to be loyal to them well hang on hang on well i don't understand what does loyalty

00:30:00.500 mean not cheating on people you're don't like let's lay around with other other people

00:30:07.940 one person at a time i can only hear okay go ahead for me being loyal is you and your partner are

00:30:15.060 to team deal you're not bringing any third person you're um loyal to each other love each other

00:30:20.180 and respect each other and you're not looking for other peoples um to sleep around with is that not

00:30:28.020 loyalty girls yeah it's true okay so that's so you say okay so he's not talking to other people like

00:30:34.020 not cheating on you before you dumped him no he wasn't i've never got cheated on i don't

00:30:39.540 i still don't understand like if the idea here he was controlling abusive he was a mentally and

00:30:45.940 physically and verbally i get all that so i can i understand but what what was he doing which was

00:30:52.020 abusive what's abuse what does that mean um mentally like tearing me down um verbally abusing me and

00:31:00.340 physically like what's an example of that dumb whore for no reason like and telling me i'm like not

00:31:06.980 not gonna amount to anything in life and just like you know he's trying to tear me down as a

00:31:10.900 person saying he's the best thing i can get when it's not true and um i want to know why you went

00:31:17.620 back because he was my first love but but the way he's treating you i know but a lot of a lot of people

00:31:23.220 girls get beat up black and blue and still stay with their man don't go back it was my mistake i'm

00:31:27.940 not going back the third time you learned i'm learning i learned not know that maybe it took me

00:31:31.940 maybe it took me i'm cutting my hair that i had to learn the hard way i think there's something

00:31:36.260 like domestic violence survivors go back seven or eight times before they either leave or get killed

00:31:41.300 by their person so but hopefully i think it's like yeah i think it's good that you got out now and

00:31:46.740 yeah your hair looks great and thank you yeah no it was very traumatic for me because i did love the

00:31:51.540 guy he was and i was planning on marrying him and we're talking about forever and to settle with

00:31:56.020 somebody and be with somebody forever like you have to be okay with everything you know like you don't

00:32:00.580 want to find anybody else you're just okay with that person and that's how i felt with him but

00:32:04.180 then after the years six years and everything he's been doing to me i was like i can't be with

00:32:08.740 somebody like that you should put nair in his shampoo and make him prematurely bald

00:32:13.540 that's a good idea i should have but probably shouldn't do that but now i'm single and like i

00:32:19.540 said i wasted six years of my life not wasted it was experience and um now i'm trying to like get

00:32:24.740 gain those six years back and just focus on myself if somebody comes along that meets all my

00:32:28.500 requirements because i'm very picky if he was very selective yeah when's the last time you talked

00:32:32.100 to him um last time i talked to him was like we blocked on everything okay you've been you've been

00:32:40.340 single for how long for but actually i spoke about like recently so like september when i left his house

00:32:45.940 for good so two months ago two months ago i moved to la when's the last time you talked to him um during

00:32:52.420 that time you haven't talked to him for two months okay last time you saw him in person two months

00:32:57.220 ago two was at his house when i and so the total length of the relationship was six years six years

00:33:03.380 including 2018 including the one-year break is that correct so um from 2018 till i turned 21 that was

00:33:11.220 four years consistently and then we had a one-year break and then all together getting back together

00:33:16.260 we've been with each other like six years like messing around and like talking so okay uh there's a lot

00:33:23.220 there um a lot a little rundown right now you broke up with him so you broke up with him the first time

00:33:29.540 yes and the second time okay and there was a year break but he didn't cheat on me um from me breaking

00:33:34.340 up with him he was just like not a good guy and i thought i can like who went back to who like did you

00:33:39.140 reach back out to him we both played the um reaching back to each other first he would call me no

00:33:45.380 caller id and then i would ignore him and then i would answer it and it was like playing team tag calling

00:33:50.100 because then he would call me every day and then he'll stop calling me so i'd be like why aren't

00:33:53.060 you calling me so then i would call him back and then finally we um started the girl left back to

00:33:59.300 oregon and yeah we started talking again because i do not want to be the other woman and i do not

00:34:05.460 all right you've been single for two months any other guys in the picture and you rebound well i have

00:34:09.140 a couple um candidates i think it would be good but at this moment in time i'm not looking for a

00:34:14.100 relationship when you say a couple candidates what do you mean um like good like good guys that i would

00:34:19.700 probably give them a chance to um date have you been on a date with any of these guys no i haven't

00:34:25.460 i haven't been dating how do you know them um through instagram and like parties and events i've seen

00:34:30.420 them at you knew them prior to the breakup with your current or ex-boyfriend no okay so it's like

00:34:36.260 recently they all just materialized you have a couple candidates that you've never met but they

00:34:43.060 only materialized after the breakup yeah okay and they just dm'd you on instagram how many dms do you get

00:34:48.500 per day um about like 15 to 20 but i'm still not active on when you get 15 to 20 dms from men per

00:34:58.260 day oh from just general people um no i don't oh from guys oh no i don't if it's a spammer in india

00:35:05.940 i get those too i guess my the habibi's calling you're on the dating podcast we're talking about

00:35:09.780 dating oh yes talking about like sorry yeah um at least a day okay like five guys that are it's like

00:35:16.740 seems like there's a romantic interest essentially probably them for me but not me yeah yeah so like

00:35:22.740 they're dming you they're like hey what's up yeah want to go out want to um come out with five dms per

00:35:28.020 day yeah at least okay all right um that's interesting uh really quick just on that note

00:35:34.980 who here who else here how frequent how many dms do you get per day from men that are like probably

00:35:40.100 hitting on you or whatever uh like a thousand no i mean maybe like one a day if i'm being honest

00:35:48.500 not really any that much okay um honestly it just depends like if i'm active then obviously like

00:35:55.060 a lot of people are gonna like slide up

00:35:56.420 well if i post a picture like what are you talking about yeah like if you post like you'll

00:36:05.060 get like you know random guys too i've never even seen in my life average average over the course of

00:36:09.620 a year average like every day like per day per day yeah if you had average i mean if i don't post i'm

00:36:15.860 not getting any slide ups but if i post like you know like it could be anything like the past year

00:36:20.340 yeah but like okay per day probably like um like five per month no like five five per day okay what

00:36:30.260 about you say like 15 to 20 i post pretty often 15 to 20 dms from men per day okay what about you

00:36:40.260 like no comment um um um i would say uh without posting which i don't do very often as much as i

00:36:47.780 should uh probably like seven okay consistent every day all right what about you um you're too far

00:36:55.300 from the mic facebook and instagram i don't get any dms okay deborah what about you i don't check

00:37:00.980 my dms that much i'm sorry everybody i love you guys but if you if you were to when i do the occasional

00:37:06.980 scroll down to just see if like i don't know elon musk is like hey i don't know you know not purpose

00:37:12.820 but not a business reason business stuff um pro like i do want to point out that i don't get

00:37:20.180 often like gross dms from guys i get usually like really nice like hey i'd love to take you for

00:37:25.060 dinner like i already told my mom about us like things like that um so thankfully they're not sleazy

00:37:30.660 but i would say probably about like between 20 to 50 a day 20 to 50 oh deborah from you brian

00:37:38.820 oh yeah all right uh 20 to 50 per day all my fake accounts i like on instagram especially and like

00:37:46.820 twitter lately i've been getting like upwards of like 30 to 50 million views a month so it's been

00:37:52.020 a lot of people who may want to talk to me and you mentioned uh elon musk would if he did slide

00:37:57.940 into your dms would you date elon i would not unfortunately he's too old for me but he did repost me

00:38:03.860 on x two weeks ago so if you want to keep reposting me or give me a tesla thank you all right uh cool

00:38:11.460 there you go um that's really interesting so it was uh five i think five five fifteen

00:38:20.900 no you're 15 to 20 right seven the snapchat count and then oh yes that's a lot too

00:38:27.860 i can't even count yeah i mean this is crazy i mean look i i know that this is the case for a lot of

00:38:32.980 the women but uh the sexual option the sexual optionality that like the average woman gets

00:38:40.820 maybe some of you aren't average but probably most of you are um no offense uh

00:38:48.580 you guys have the same sexual pull as like a-list celebrities that are male a-list celebrities

00:38:55.460 famous musicians top-tier musicians professional athletes it's just interesting to

00:39:01.380 no but anyways moving on with uh the relationship status what about you um i'm in a committed four

00:39:08.180 year relationship all right how did you guys meet um we actually met in high school and in

00:39:15.780 i think 11th grade yeah in 11th grade all right cool love story yeah and that's your longest that's

00:39:22.580 your longest relationship um my last relationship longest my long it was the same it was four years

00:39:29.220 you had so you had another four year but we were like kids so i don't really like count it you know

00:39:34.500 who broke up with who in that one i did okay what about you i've been single for the past four months

00:39:41.860 all right uh longest relationship two years two years who broke up with who he broke up with me

00:39:49.700 was that the one that ended four months ago okay why did he break up with you um i had like some

00:39:55.940 unhealed trauma from my exes that i brought the baggage like into our relationship a lot of trust

00:40:01.860 issues um you know it's two entertainers dating each other so we had to deal with that sure okay

00:40:09.140 uh so you've been single for four months uh any rebound or anything like that

00:40:14.980 um i'm still like trying to work things out with him like trying to heal for myself but also like

00:40:20.980 hopefully to attract him back in like a healthier way um but amongst that i've kind of been like

00:40:27.060 seeing other people it's been teaching me some new experiences do you have a roster currently

00:40:32.260 of course what how big is the roster um i like to keep my options i like quality over quantity so

00:40:41.460 right now like two okay and are you five sorry what it depends on what four seriously like two

00:40:51.380 but so it's not a roster it's like a starting five yeah yeah we got we got like exactly starting

00:40:57.140 six maybe and have you healed the trauma that was causing you so much trouble well the more people

00:41:04.340 i encounter sometimes it makes me realize like maybe i was the crazy one and like i need to kind of

00:41:11.700 chill out what when you say you were the crazy one so what's what conduct uh were you doing that

00:41:21.380 was crazy just just a girl on her little fbi investigation stuff um you know i didn't like

00:41:29.060 seeing him up under every girl's pictures liked by so and so or when guys don't want to see me in

00:41:35.140 the club but their following looks like the entire list of girls from the club so stuff like that i would

00:41:41.300 check his following i would see when it goes up i'd see who he's commenting under i'd check his location

00:41:48.660 yeah and i had a lot of time throughout the day we lived together too so i was like on him for everything

00:41:53.620 i tried to not check his phone for the longest because i knew that's what made me crazy in my

00:41:58.020 past relationship but sometimes a passcode slips into my peripheral and you know this leads to

00:42:04.420 that and i'm really trying to work on it i know that's some baggage that i need to heal yes a couple

00:42:10.100 times a few times was that behavior due to unhealed trauma yeah from being cheated on in my past and

00:42:17.620 also like going back to them and stuff so how soon into the relationship did you start looking at this

00:42:22.660 phone um before we even got into an actual relationship yeah yeah so like a week oh oh

00:42:29.860 sorry looking at his phone sorry i thought you said his following following i did early the phone wasn't

00:42:35.300 until like a year into us living together okay so how many different times did you check his phone

00:42:40.580 um maybe like twice because the first time i didn't see anything i was like that can't be right

00:42:45.140 so i checked it a second time and i'm like okay maybe he is actually clean

00:42:48.100 i think it's a negative feedback loop that this is like a very common thing that people deal with

00:42:53.780 in relationships on the male and female side that when women aren't secure in relationships

00:42:57.860 it makes them create us crazy and girls start doing things like that but then also when you do things

00:43:02.900 like that it pushes away any chance of normalcy and this is just a product of modern dating and like

00:43:08.100 the issues that and i think it's the reason that people aren't entering relationships and they're not

00:43:12.020 finding they're happy ever after and it's sad and hopefully we can just move past this whole like

00:43:17.700 social media stage did you uh tell him that you went through his phone uh yeah i did because i was

00:43:24.500 like why did you like her entire story highlight you said i didn't have to worry about this co-worker

00:43:28.180 i knew y'all were fucking i just went in and he almost moved out and we had to call my parents and

00:43:33.220 talk about it and um yeah so so you so you went crazy on this guy i i tried not to i was like watching

00:43:42.340 him sleep i couldn't i was like no i gotta wake him up i couldn't what i was ruminating in my thoughts

00:43:49.460 you watched him sleep because i was like should i wake him up like is it really that big with you

00:43:54.900 yeah wait when you so but why were you watching him

00:44:02.900 sleep no i was just deciding whether or not to wake him up like should i act down and crash out

00:44:13.700 or no wait what do you mean wake him up for what because i wanted to know i had been having my

00:44:18.580 suspicions about his like shift lead at work he would work like overtime all of a sudden at like a

00:44:25.220 nursery like a senior caregiving yeah for a year so he though he was working hard well so he started

00:44:34.900 taking overtime shifts and um started following his co-worker on instagram but you guys live together so

00:44:42.180 why would you be watching him can't you just talk to him when he before he went to bed i did so i like

00:44:47.860 drove his car and i saw a footprint um i thought i saw a footprint in the windshield and i was like

00:44:52.820 whose footprint is that like are y'all on your lunch break or something like is this your

00:44:57.380 shit your mind just keeps on going i literally like measured it because i was like is this your

00:45:02.180 footprint or is this a female's footprint so if i was your lawyer i'd be like girl

00:45:09.060 you know okay we're getting into legal territory at what point during all of this did you manage to put

00:45:15.780 the cuckoo back in the clock i'm still working on that because don't worry okay yeah so how early

00:45:26.420 into the relationship were you uh looking at his following list like immediately like the first week

00:45:32.500 because he's a model like he's on set with other models he's an aspiring actor i like yeah can't

00:45:39.300 fathom all the female co-stars and stuff he meets on a daily basis well uh were you guys like exclusive

00:45:44.980 right away pretty much or pretty much it was kind of the sense that like oh i'm telling my guy friends

00:45:50.260 like you're my girlfriend and stuff like that and i'm like okay let's wait to make it official but we

00:45:54.260 know we're exclusive you know how soon did you guys move in with each other after a year of being

00:45:59.220 together okay after a year and was that pushed by you or by him or my grandpa had passed away so my

00:46:06.420 mom was going to move back with my grandma and then i just had like a whole house with empty rooms

00:46:11.220 had to find some roommates so it was kind of like last minute but it's something that we had planned

00:46:15.700 anyway to move in together did you charge him rent yeah like he invited the rent for you market

00:46:22.180 fair market value we had the master bedroom so we paid the most like out of the house but we split it

00:46:27.300 yeah all right and uh let's see so uh what was his reaction because you like you told him

00:46:36.580 you check his phone and then you'd tell him afterwards right because you felt guilty or

00:46:41.300 you still wanted to confront him about nothing um well i mean he had followed his co-worker

00:46:49.060 let's say in january 2024 so why did he like all of her entire gym highlights from 2022 little photos of

00:46:58.020 her and her tight little leggings her booty progress photos when she he could have liked any other story

00:47:03.940 of maybe like her going out to eat at restaurants or her traveling but no he specifically only likes

00:47:09.300 the one of her gym highlights now had you uh had a conversation with him prior to this happening that

00:47:14.420 you are uncomfortable with him liking or following yes okay you and what did he say to that um he said

00:47:20.180 that he would stop he wouldn't do anything that doesn't align with a relationship okay and then i'd

00:47:25.540 like to investigate a little bit of your conduct in the relationship so he was totally reasonable

00:47:30.020 um as far as doing things publicly i didn't like when he was commenting like fire emojis under photos

00:47:37.140 of girls in lingerie and i'm like that doesn't look good reflecting on our relationship you know you

00:47:42.020 just need to respect our relationship now let's um i i do i would like to uh investigate a bit of your

00:47:48.340 conduct here though you mentioned that you would be going out to the bar bars and clubs correct

00:47:53.620 and would uh you also do modeling is that correct or more like freelance not like sign okay uh you

00:48:01.220 have your public instagram though would you be posting revealing photos on your instagram yes and

00:48:06.020 he would as well of himself yeah like i think it's totally different between women on this uh well we

00:48:13.300 went around the table and all of you said that you guys get five 15 20 you get 15 20 dms per day by

00:48:18.820 men women don't really at least at the same uh frequency slide into men's dms and in fact we can

00:48:26.420 test this right now um how many dms do you guys slide into i do it all the time let's just do how

00:48:32.180 many dms one or two hold on how many total dms have you ever sent to a man on instagram displaying

00:48:39.140 some sort of romantic not just like there's just one guy that i do go ahead what about you how

00:48:43.700 how many dms have you sent in your entire life

00:48:53.220 it's a tough one i mean less than five i'd say less than five what about you just my boyfriend

00:48:59.220 zero okay maybe three oh you slid into your boyfriend's dm well always every time he posts yeah

00:49:06.980 you mean like otherwise or that's not how you met though you didn't slide that's not how you

00:49:11.300 met correct oh initiate no we met through school okay all right what about you how many dms have

00:49:15.620 you sent out at least like maybe three guys like total okay what about you zero zero how about you

00:49:21.300 how many dms have you sent three three twelve twelve okay what about you none really deborah what about

00:49:27.060 you damn i believe in getting what you want and asking for what you want i've definitely slid in

00:49:33.380 into a handful of men's yeah ryan a handful of men's dms um and one of them worked out i ended up

00:49:42.660 like going on dates with him later on in life and i'm how many how many though how many in total yeah

00:49:49.380 i don't know how many came to fruition but like at least yeah they didn't good yeah no at least 10

00:49:55.380 at least at least 10 okay um and then i'm pretty sure i'm a fan of that i'm pretty sure like that

00:50:00.500 yeah to be honest i'd rather go hunt down who i want than have them come to me like yeah that's

00:50:06.020 great i like that too but in any case in person every single girl here has received orders of

00:50:11.140 magnitude more dms than you've sent out so this is why this is just to explain the differential here

00:50:16.420 like the amount of sexual pursuit and intention that you guys get as women is totally different

00:50:22.580 so like if you as a girl you post a revealing photo that's like actually advertising whereas

00:50:28.900 when a man does that post a revealing photo like what he posted a shirtless pic mind you

00:50:33.620 he's also going to gym he's also a model correct so that's also in addition to that within the purview

00:50:38.740 of his profession um massive differential i do want to point out though that like when i have

00:50:45.940 slid into these men's dms it's for hopes of like going on a date with them or thinking that they're

00:50:50.100 like a stand-up guy that can maybe be my future husband whereas the dms that i receive i'm sure

00:50:54.580 at least half of them are people who just would want to have sex or things of that nature or just

00:50:58.980 for the sake of like oh i took her out stuff so obviously i can't i want to give the benefit of

00:51:03.380 the doubt to the male followers that are messaging me but i don't know what their actual intentions

00:51:07.780 are whereas i know all of those 10 at least have been like genuine relationship intentions i can't

00:51:12.820 say the same for the other ones necessarily yeah i mean i'd be willing to grant to you that it's

00:51:16.660 probably more likely that a man's intentions but might uh more men men's intentions but might be

00:51:23.300 more casual in nature but i wouldn't be surprised i mean even you admitted earlier that uh most of

00:51:28.580 the dms you have received have been fairly polite i wouldn't be surprised and also just given probably

00:51:33.380 i assume the men who are interested in you probably lean a bit more conservative which would indicate to

00:51:37.540 me that they're probably a bit more interested in long-term relationship as opposed to like some soy

00:51:42.260 boy who's just trying to fuck you because that's what soy boys do i guess i don't know they're not

00:51:47.140 really they don't even get women's way boys well that's probably also true so they get other men

00:51:51.780 but in any case i do think there's a difference like if a guy posts a photo on instagram it's not

00:51:56.180 going to elicit the same level of attention as a woman posting a revealing uh photo will receive

00:52:02.420 but post one and let's see brian let's test it i mean i'll bust the thong out like the

00:52:09.860 little jim thirst trap like you guys like to do the borat man it's coming um so okay uh going back

00:52:18.420 to you though you were uh what was it you were posting uh you were posting revealing photos on

00:52:24.260 instagram like photos of me at the beach in a bikini not like yeah that's revealing lingerie photos

00:52:28.980 but it's like a girl can't be at the beach a guy can't like his co-workers instagram like you have

00:52:35.300 to that's my way of sliding into guys dms that's why i took it as disrespectful what do you mean because

00:52:40.900 i'll like i'll like a guy's story if i think he's looking cute yeah i won't go as far as like messaging

00:52:46.180 them so i felt like to him that was him showing him him showing extra love to his co-worker that

00:52:52.340 didn't need to be shown when she has already do you go the bar he finds you attractive what

00:52:58.820 was that do you go to bars and clubs yeah because promoters like um pay me they're like bring out

00:53:03.700 girls and we'll pay you so it's a money opportunity so if um if a you live in los angeles right orange

00:53:11.140 county okay you're close enough so if somebody like a hey can you guys shut the fuck up please thank you

00:53:17.460 guys we told you before the show you can't be doing sidebar conversations

00:53:21.380 what can we can't get up to get something no you can go to the bathroom that's what i was asking here

00:53:25.380 because i'm like falling asleep i need like some energy that's what i was asking like one at a

00:53:28.020 time yeah there's a there's energy shots back there but kindly don't speak sorry as instructed i just

00:53:33.700 didn't know if we could get up yeah you can get up that's totally fine okay you can use the bathroom

00:53:37.780 you can get an energy shot before i was interrupted uh it so you said because you're do you want to get

00:53:44.020 up yeah i'll get up in a second all right so you were saying that you go out to the bars and clubs

00:53:52.100 because you were being paid right so if a porn producer reached out to you and offered to pay

00:53:57.940 you to shoot a porn wouldn't your boyfriend have an issue with that okay it's different though i'm

00:54:03.860 getting paid to sit in a section like a secluded vip section where i'm not even on the dance floor or at

00:54:08.900 the bar with guys i'm literally getting drinks to my table i'm in a section with just me and my

00:54:13.700 girls they'd rather me bring girls out to a club than guys so it's not like i'm surrounded by girls

00:54:18.580 there that's that's a club promoter they want to have girls in the club how do they make money at the

00:54:23.540 club well the girls bring the guys in and the guys pay for sections and bottles and drinks at the club

00:54:30.500 so do you think uh but okay let's let's examine that why do they even pay to have women show up at

00:54:38.500 these clubs it's for appeal appeal to who to their audience it could be ladies spending money on

00:54:47.540 bottles so women go to bars to to hit on other women are you going where i've been hit on by women

00:54:53.700 at bars yeah you also get hit on by men at bars yes but i keep it respectful because i'm in a

00:54:59.140 relationship doesn't matter not the type to go out give out my number go like their stories on

00:55:03.380 so did he tell you he doesn't want you going out to bars and clubs um he just doesn't want me to

00:55:09.140 extend the connection further than the clubs like don't try to give them your number or connect with

00:55:13.060 them on instagram but you were still basically how often would you go out to uh bars and clubs

00:55:19.540 like bi-weekly monthly wait so twice a week or twice a month once every two weeks or like

00:55:26.980 once a month it depends on how often they reach out to me okay and it sounded like so did he have

00:55:35.220 issues with you going out to these bars and clubs um he would make his little jokes about like me

00:55:41.620 wearing revealing stuff or going out with my single girlfriends who might influence me to do single

00:55:47.700 things so he didn't want you to do that yeah but you did it anyways he never said explicitly don't go

00:55:52.740 to clubs and bars he just said he doesn't like him your number why i don't understand he says he

00:55:57.940 doesn't like it why does he then need to actually articulate because he would go out to the bars with

00:56:02.820 his boys and i had to be okay with it i wouldn't have to stop him from that but what i wouldn't want

00:56:08.180 him to go do is go to the bar with his co-worker that i think he's flirting with you know i'm going out

00:56:13.140 with my girlfriends if he's going out with his guy friends it's fine it depends on who you're going out

00:56:17.220 with yeah but again this this comes back to the differential between men and women so as a guy if

00:56:22.260 you go to a bar or a club uh while i'll grant that on rare occasions a woman might approach you this is

00:56:31.140 exceedingly a rare occurrence so it's totally different so when you go out to the bar club

00:56:39.300 you can be pretty certain that you're going to get approached like if i go out to a bar club

00:56:43.780 there's no world where i can expect oh yeah tonight like three girls are going to hit on me

00:56:48.260 and want to fuck me tonight and put in all the work to try to fuck me tonight you'd be surprised

00:56:53.860 when i was younger i've been to bars and clubs it that's not how it works now women are very more

00:56:58.420 like no they're not you know you're out here sending dms we're out here shooting our shot like

00:57:03.700 it's different now i run away from men in the clubs nine out of ten times honestly yeah you don't

00:57:09.700 find love in the clubs yeah you want to find a drink you know like it's easy yeah girls don't

00:57:14.260 approach in the club i mean you can say that but it's i mean it's that's total cap how many times

00:57:19.140 have you approached a guy in the club well to get like a drink or to get in their section to have sex

00:57:23.860 with them oh no zero so hold on you're being so disingenuous right now so you'll approach a guy to get

00:57:30.740 his alcohol but you don't have any actual romantic interest whereas what i'm taught so they're not you're

00:57:35.220 not like actually that's the only time i would approach a guy so you just defeated your own

00:57:43.140 argument so there's no risk so essentially you're just saying there's absolutely no risk

00:57:48.180 of a guy going to a club and actually having a woman sexually pursuing

00:57:54.180 um i mean if your man is like a model and he's attractive enough i think that women would gravitate

00:57:59.540 towards him but like as a woman i wouldn't go approaching men with the intent to sleep with

00:58:05.140 them i would be approaching them with the intent to get a free drink or like to get a seat at their

00:58:09.220 vip section so i don't have to stand in my heels all night at the club right so when i say women

00:58:14.100 don't approach men when i'm talking about i'm not yeah i guess technically you're approaching them so

00:58:18.660 you could procure alcohol that's not really what i'm talking about when men approach women they're trip

00:58:23.780 they're typically trying to procure a relationship or a sexual experience or something like that

00:58:30.180 so that's kind of what i'm talking about by your own admission here you've just said that okay well

00:58:35.140 women don't really go to the club to do that really whereas men do this would seem to further

00:58:42.340 establish my position i still said i go to the clubs to sit at vip sections and hang out with

00:58:50.340 my home girls and get free drinks yeah i started with that initially and i'm ending with that too

00:58:55.380 whether the free drinks come from a promoter who's paying me to bring girls to the club and giving me

00:58:59.620 free bottles or it's coming from guys who are paying why do you think the guys why do you think

00:59:04.260 guys go to clubs for the ladies for sure to get late right sure okay so they're not getting that

00:59:10.820 from me though why do girls go to the club to dance to dance to listen to good music dress up be cute

00:59:16.740 take photos for the instagram drink some good liquor you know i tend i do tend to see women though

00:59:26.420 mostly not go to clubs where there's only women to dance that's really strange where where are you

00:59:32.500 think you would think for instance that if it were true that women only wanted to go to the club so

00:59:37.700 that they could dance with other women to tell each other how cute they were that they would go to a

00:59:42.340 club that was exclusively for women but they don't do that hang on hang on hang on that's super strange

00:59:49.620 can you explain why that is um well actually when i was out in new york trying to look at the nightlife

00:59:56.340 they had like lgbtq nights and like lesbian nights and they're like all the girls and the gays are

01:00:01.780 invited and i was like i would love to go to something like that have to not be worried about

01:00:06.580 a guy trying to sexualize you yeah pray on you exactly like i would love to go to yeah okay so yeah

01:00:12.580 some clubs may have a gay night where you can go in and hang out with gay women i guess but

01:00:17.460 or just girls 99 of the time that you have gone to a club my assumption is that there are men at

01:00:23.620 those clubs yeah but the men are why not go to a club why not well so why not go to a club where

01:00:29.620 there's no men where it's just exclusive do you know a club where there's only women let me know

01:00:34.980 i'll be yeah well you would think if this was a viable model that one of you with the glorious

01:00:40.100 entrepreneurs who own 50 000 businesses would simply start an all-woman's club you know i actually might

01:00:46.420 get it that's a good idea i already own an all-girls company next business there's a

01:00:51.220 well it's interesting it's just it's interesting to me because you said you just said that your

01:00:56.100 perception of the club experience is men preying on women wouldn't that further establish men having

01:01:01.620 more pretext and justification for not wanting their girlfriends to go to the club because by your

01:01:06.820 own admission men prey on women in these environments but women don't typically prey on

01:01:11.620 men in these environments yeah but so that's another differential that just further establishes

01:01:16.100 my position that if you're in a relationship with a woman she should not be going out to a bar

01:01:19.860 or club but it's kind of like you know the VIP sections though what's that the guys like prey on

01:01:24.660 you they stand by the bar and they look at you or they're on the dance floor looking at you so just

01:01:28.420 to be clear so your experience of going to night clubs and bars is men pray on you

01:01:33.940 why the fuck would you go to these environments what if you take out your man with you

01:01:37.140 is that different i bring i invite him to all the clubs with me too does he go yeah and he's like

01:01:41.700 all your guy friends just want to fuck you this this and that why would you go to as i don't know

01:01:46.100 as a guy why would you go to the bar if you already have a girl yeah that doesn't make any sense like

01:01:51.300 there's no reason as a guy to go to a bar nightclub absent trying to find a woman you already have a

01:01:56.580 woman so why would you go there with her i think it's the same for girls too and every relationship

01:02:02.100 that i've been in i unless i was with them i didn't go to clubs or bars because if i was going

01:02:06.900 out i would want them there and i think as women we can all admit that when you get drunk at a club

01:02:11.540 you are looking for a companion and like that is the goal of going there so like if you're in a

01:02:16.500 relationship for me at least like if i'm drinking and i'm not with a boyfriend then like that's the

01:02:20.660 only person i want to be with so i wouldn't i personally haven't and it's just like a natural

01:02:24.580 decision i've never been asked not to i just think it's something i'm gravitate towards you know

01:02:29.780 so no one here has been to a woman's only club or like a femme event no well i would assume

01:02:36.500 i would assume that let's let's assume for a moment that all of them have right just for like

01:02:40.900 the sake of of argument um there's no possible way that that's 99 of the experiences right not

01:02:47.940 most of the time that women are going to clubs they're not going to same-sex clubs so that they

01:02:52.420 can dance so that other girls can see they're going to clubs with the opposite sex because they

01:02:56.580 want to get their drink spot right i mean isn't that isn't that actually the case and they want

01:03:01.220 attention they want to get the drink spot and validation well i don't drink alcohol at all so

01:03:05.380 i'm not going to a club for alcohol at all i'm going to like get stress out and dance and actually

01:03:10.900 enjoy myself because i don't i'm i don't really like involving myself around people period they stress

01:03:17.140 me out yeah well and that may be true but uh you would have to admit that you're an exception to the

01:03:22.740 rule right so it's not that all women always only go to clubs for the purposes of having drinks bought to

01:03:29.380 them right but most women seem to go to clubs so that they can dance and they want to go to clubs

01:03:35.300 where men are because those men will buy their drinks right i mean is that is that not the case

01:03:41.140 or do you think that most women go to uh go to clubs because they don't want their drinks bought

01:03:46.340 and they could go to a you know same-sex club i mean being single now and going out to the clubs with

01:03:52.260 my girls we don't just kind of like depend on a man to buy us drinks we'll pre-game before

01:03:57.620 um i also don't drink too much myself so i'll be smoking before but if you're pre-gaming then you're

01:04:02.340 planning on it so literally literally if you're pre-gaming that is planning so you're saying what

01:04:07.780 do we do what do we do if the guys don't buy our drinks well they will buy our drinks because you

01:04:13.380 don't have to depend on a man to go out and have a good night with your home girls you can supply your

01:04:18.180 own drink so it doesn't always have to boil down to a man but my my ex did end up becoming a club

01:04:23.460 promoter anyway so his job ended up becoming to get all the girls to come to the vip section and i

01:04:29.700 had to be okay with that during our relationship too i didn't like the thought of him being at a

01:04:34.020 table with 10 girls in a section at the club getting them free drinks yeah but earlier you said wait wait

01:04:39.460 wait that makes no sense because earlier you said yeah but the reason i do this socialization uh is

01:04:45.460 because it's like for networking purposes and because you're making that money but somehow when he's doing

01:04:51.060 the socialization because he's making that money that's bad because i'm going with just me and my

01:04:56.980 home girls he's going and he has to find other girls from the club he's not there with his boys he's

01:05:02.420 not there with his girl best friends he's there finding girls like me and my friends to bring out

01:05:07.460 to the clubs but we also broke up for that reason because neither of us liked that both of us were

01:05:13.060 going to we do have to get through the rest so it's so it's rules for he but not for she

01:05:17.700 he had to go follow these girls on instagram i didn't i was there to look pretty at the table

01:05:24.500 get free drinks with my girlfriends all around me and when you travel in packs with more girls

01:05:29.220 it's more intimidating for guys to come approach you as a girl in a group of eight instead of me

01:05:33.860 being like alone on the dance floor by the bar then a guy would come up and approach me but i'm

01:05:37.860 literally in secluded sections there's like ropes there's bodyguards and stuff around us like no

01:05:42.980 my no man praying is just going to come up on me yeah but but the idea here still is that

01:05:49.460 you're doing this for money he was doing this for money right so i also said the extent of us

01:05:55.940 connecting stayed in the club i only ever talked to people if they were in the club they never got my

01:06:00.900 number or my instagram he would have to connect with these girls outside of the club get their

01:06:05.460 number get their instagram and bring them into the club is what i'm saying because that was his job

01:06:09.860 yes yeah so but he's getting paid for it but y'all are saying i can't get paid for it and do the same

01:06:17.060 thing it's no no no i'm holding you to your standard right i'm not saying what you can or can't do i'm

01:06:21.540 just saying that if your standard is look um you know i need to obsess over this dude because you know

01:06:27.780 every click uh you know that he does on anybody's instagram uh that could be that he's having an affair

01:06:34.100 or something like this which is legitimate i just think that if you're also going to the club and doing the

01:06:39.460 same type of nightlife even though it may have a slightly different context it seems fair uh that

01:06:45.860 if you say it's okay for me to do it because there's money involved that you would apply that

01:06:49.620 same standard to him right yeah the ratio of me going out is nine girls to maybe one promoter but when

01:06:56.180 it's him it's going to be the one promoter to the nine girls that he's going to be around it's just

01:07:00.500 different well i don't know why like if you because you add friends somehow it makes it better

01:07:06.660 like i i don't i don't are your friends just like holding you to account are they like ah girl you

01:07:12.660 can't do x y and no they're not holding you to account right they're out partying right like rock

01:07:17.220 stars my friends are loyal so they would be the type to promote monogamy in the club and not promote

01:07:23.940 cheating behaviors yeah so okay um have you you said you went out with your boyfriend right

01:07:29.620 i'd always invite you guys would go out together were there ever any situations when you were out

01:07:33.780 with him where like some drunk guy said something maybe did something and he had to intervene in some

01:07:41.060 sort of way or happens all the time to me he was not too confrontational he's more of like if they

01:07:46.340 really do something to us then we'll fight back but that's okay but has something like that happened

01:07:51.780 yeah just kind of like verbal stuff but i kind of knew how to fend them off myself so he never had

01:07:57.860 to step in were you ever disappointed that your boyfriend didn't step in a little bit yeah this is

01:08:02.100 precisely psa to all the men viewing never go with your girl first off don't date girls who go to bars

01:08:08.900 clubs parties second off if it never go out in any sort of environment where there's alcohol with your

01:08:16.900 girl it's the amount of men i've seen get sparked up in a fight because the girl i don't know it's

01:08:25.220 don't do it gentlemen don't go out with your girl because either you're in the situation here you're

01:08:30.580 in the situation here where she's disappointed in you for not stepping up to some drunk idiot in a bar

01:08:36.980 or you do step up and either you fuck the guy up and then you catch a case or you get

01:08:41.300 fucking brain damage because he knocks you out you fucking hit your head on the concrete on the

01:08:45.780 floor boom boom boom whatever it is so i know you laugh but i mean this happens all the time yeah i

01:08:50.740 never wanted to get to that point that's why yeah but it's just like it's so stupid to go out with

01:08:56.420 your girl but isn't like a bonding moment for you and your partner to go out have drinks together

01:09:00.260 dance together have a good night together come home no i thought that was fun until why can't you go

01:09:07.540 like do normal couple what happened i thought that was normal couple should to go out one not

01:09:12.660 every night every weekend but once in a while biking why i mean that was because my ex that's

01:09:17.060 what he liked to do so i would go always go with him i mean that's fine look people can do it i just

01:09:21.220 think it's really ill-advised for men because there's some like some dumb ass in the look i'm not

01:09:26.260 excusing the actions of these other people men who get drunk or whatever but like it's gonna

01:09:31.300 fucking happen it happens yeah you don't want to like be the one who's like okay and also like

01:09:36.180 half the fucking fights i've ever seen in these sort of sorts of environments it's over a chick

01:09:41.300 and also can you point out that there's a distinction between going to your local pub

01:09:46.580 with your significant other and having dinner and some beers or drinks or something like that and then

01:09:51.700 going home for that bonding versus going to a nightclub that's filled with 90 singles including

01:09:57.700 drunk horny men that seems like a recipe for this i don't know why that would need to be part of the

01:10:02.500 bonding you know yeah that would be kind of different i've seen people literally like get

01:10:08.660 paramedics come fucking brain permanent brain damage from some like guys like come up to me

01:10:13.060 asking like oh do you want a drink and my my man's like oh she's with me and she doesn't want a drink

01:10:16.820 from you and i was like see like stuff like that yeah but you said you've seen like that those

01:10:20.420 situations where girl the guy says some dumb shit boyfriend's gotta fuck in gotta do something about

01:10:28.260 it yeah but again i mean we also know i mean i don't i don't think people are so ignorant they

01:10:32.660 don't know where the party spots are like where the singles are the younger men younger women are

01:10:38.340 again i think the big difference uh if you go to tgi fridays and you have a couple of drinks

01:10:43.460 and you know the baby back ribs versus going to a nightclub that see it seems like uh i don't know

01:10:48.900 why you need to go to a nightclub in order to bond that just seems strange because like sometimes

01:10:52.900 the djs play good music that you wouldn't get at tgi fridays or the pub around the corner from your

01:10:58.100 house and it's just a different and a different ambiance like you come out and it's nice you want

01:11:03.780 to step out in your louboutins yeah i don't want to come dressed out to tgi fridays just to come back

01:11:10.740 home and like change into some pjs like i want to dance with him on the dance floor and like get it on

01:11:16.260 like usher style like we in the club why can't you do that at home yeah you're still

01:11:21.300 i mean i can just play something off my bluetooth speaker and it's just put the rv station on yeah

01:11:26.500 i guess we can i mean personally i only had really good experiences with my man at the club me too

01:11:31.380 and i've been a couple times with them i never had one bad experience it's always super fun

01:11:36.020 like parting with your pants with your part with your person just me personally look i'll grant that

01:11:40.580 i'm like you want to party with your person highly introverted and like i hate bars and clubs and

01:11:44.660 shit okay can you guys actually make like a compelling argument or articulate like what is

01:11:49.380 actually fun about going to the bar i can kind of understand hold on i can kind of understand it a bit

01:11:55.460 more from the woman's perspective free drinks you're getting all kind of attention male validation

01:12:00.500 etc etc i guess girls like to dance or whatever the fuck why like what's actually fun about it and then

01:12:07.220 perhaps like what would even on top of that what's actually fun about it for a guy like i just don't

01:12:13.060 understand it whatsoever i think it's dancing with your girl personally i mean my ass on you right

01:12:18.580 yeah like my man always has so much fun like when we're just dancing together and there's not much

01:12:22.340 places where we can just go and just dance and have fun yeah and it's dark too so you're not really

01:12:26.500 like like looking at him and like oh like he's dancing but like you're both just having fun

01:12:30.900 like drunk or not like we don't need liquor too yeah if you go see a dj yeah yeah yeah

01:12:37.620 there's a companionship there's a companionship being with your um with your person and partying

01:12:41.620 together enjoying that it's a vibe for sure okay are you maybe too old for that um i mean i mean

01:12:50.980 i'm 23 so i'm still party girl you realize that while perchance you may think that brian is currently

01:12:56.100 ancient uh just a few years ago he was not so the thing is is like and clubs believe it or not

01:13:02.580 existed when brian was your age so it's like i don't i don't know why like we don't have a frame

01:13:08.100 of reference here definitely have a frame of reference you never went to the club for a show

01:13:12.900 oh like i mean i went a little bit when i was younger i i didn't i was never a big drinker though

01:13:18.260 you didn't go to people watch you look like a people watcher

01:13:20.660 your whole show is people watching you love people watching i mean i i went but it was like

01:13:29.860 i don't know it's free entertainment it's free people watching and drunk people

01:13:33.620 honestly it was never i don't know the whole the like the whole experience was not for everybody

01:13:42.900 um so okay uh last thing i guess on this whole bar thing then we need to get the rest of people's

01:13:46.740 uh relationship status i guess that going back to the whole differential thing i guess what i was

01:13:52.340 trying to get to is um you guys do acknowledge i know that like look i'll even grant that you guys

01:13:58.260 go to the club just to have fun and dance and it's not necessarily to meet men but you guys do

01:14:02.980 acknowledge like maybe maybe not you but you have a girlfriend who like she's gone out one night and

01:14:07.700 she's like i want to meet a guy have you guys had that experience maybe for yourself i know a lot of

01:14:12.260 you've been are in long-term relationships or whatever um but you will admit like some women

01:14:16.900 will go out with the hopes of maybe a guy flirting with them or something sure that's the only reason

01:14:23.140 that my friends will want me to come out with them honestly it's not my forte but you got to support

01:14:26.980 your girls but we've always said that like for us going out just at least my friend group like the

01:14:31.300 pre-game is the best part of the night out it's not the club like right my two best friends in new

01:14:35.220 york we will be at the bar whatever for probably pre-game for two hours go to the bar for 20 minutes

01:14:40.340 and leave get pizza go home and be like we had so much fun together that sounds like a great night

01:14:44.340 i love that i think i've just grown out of it so what is pre-game but let me let me drinking beforehand

01:14:49.060 having some cocktails listening to music finishing your makeup girly time yeah so tailgating and so

01:14:56.820 but and you guys those of you who've been out you guys do acknowledge that when you do go out

01:15:02.740 there are men there who are interested in like hitting on you sexually pursuing you etc etc you guys

01:15:08.260 acknowledge that right that's like anywhere we go grocery out on the street yeah you can walk to

01:15:12.580 the grocery store the gas station yeah sure i mean you could you could be at trader joe's a guy could

01:15:17.460 come approach you i would say it's probably more anticipated that it's going to happen at a bar or

01:15:22.420 nightclub exactly uh and also like i don't know shit goes down in the bars and clubs like i don't know

01:15:29.540 i don't think in the history of trader joe's there's ever been like a guy approaches a girl and then

01:15:34.580 like five minutes later five minutes later he's like finger banging her or some shit i've seen

01:15:40.900 look i've went to these clubs and parties and shit i've seen stuff happen um sure you know they'll hook

01:15:47.540 up they'll leave the club together they'll fuck like i don't know if they in the history of trader

01:15:51.940 joe's that's maybe who knows some guy with like immaculate riz or some shit but yeah it only happens

01:15:57.060 at home depot at the same time it goes down at home depot for sure but so knowing this i guess um

01:16:06.180 and know it like here's the difference right so

01:16:10.180 men and women we flirt differently so like you said earlier like you like the way you'll kind of

01:16:15.780 flirt right is you might just like something you won't actually slide into a dm you'll go out to the

01:16:20.420 bar or whatever uh even granting that when you do go to these environments maybe that's not your

01:16:27.620 intention but you are have any of you met met a guy from a party bar or club yeah yeah well you guys

01:16:38.820 been in relationships forever so yeah i have you have what about you i mean i would say so yeah deborah

01:16:44.660 what about you bar my longest relationship actually i met him in a club in israel okay and so going into

01:16:51.380 that though like were you going out though with like i really want to meet a guy tonight i was on

01:16:55.700 a program so there was like a couple hundred of us that would go and like basically just take over

01:16:59.780 the clubs that we went so it wasn't it was college in israel okay bar ilan yeah um but there's a bunch

01:17:05.940 of different programs like that and he was on a different program and then everybody just happened

01:17:10.580 to be there that night and then we made out in the club and then we did it for like almost two years

01:17:14.660 so it seems like okay when here's the dilemma that i see though it's like okay so when you get

01:17:20.020 into a relationship because men and women flirt differently i think we can all agree that neither

01:17:26.100 the man or the woman should like you shouldn't go and actively approach somebody right like that would

01:17:31.860 be cheating if the guy went up to a girl and like hit on her right that'd be cheating and that'd also

01:17:38.180 be cheating if the woman went up to somebody and hit on them but this sort of ignores the like

01:17:43.380 asymmetry between men and women women don't really do that so the way that you guys flirt and this is

01:17:50.340 very if if your intention is to find a guy and some of you have met men in these sorts of environments

01:17:55.780 the way that you will flirt is you'll put yourself in a position for men to come and approach you that's

01:18:04.740 your method of getting men but being exposed yeah you you you won't like really slide into a bunch of

01:18:13.220 some occasionally but you won't like really slide into dms you won't like go up to men at these

01:18:18.020 environments but you'll put yourself in a position maybe you'll put yourself in proximity stand next

01:18:23.060 to them so you can see us you're saying it's like cat and mouse essentially well yeah so the conduct in

01:18:27.700 which the way in which women will flirt doesn't change once they're in a relationship it's more

01:18:35.220 strategic no but hold on let me i'll tell you what i'm getting at and so in a relationship we only like

01:18:44.100 shut down the ways in which men flirt but there is no expectation really that's placed on women that

01:18:51.700 men need to shut down the way you guys make yourselves available to men so you continue you

01:18:59.540 when you're in a relationship a lot of women continue their single conduct does that make sense

01:19:07.780 yeah but the way so the way we conduct ourselves when we're single would not be acceptable once we're

01:19:13.860 in a relationship but the way you guys conduct yourselves when you're single that's never challenged

01:19:19.700 and i think it ought to be so if you're in a relationship with a guy you got to stop posting

01:19:24.500 revealing photos you got to stop dressing revealing and you got to stop going out to bars clubs and

01:19:29.860 parties even if you have no intention of approaching a guy you know going to these events

01:19:34.900 you will be approached some guys like that though they like their girl getting attention

01:19:40.420 not really so in the way that we have to shut down our options you don't shut down your options

01:19:48.020 when you guys are in a relationship and i find that interesting but brian have you never had

01:19:51.540 the experience with girls where you're just like excuse me do you have a tissue and they're like

01:19:54.260 i have a boyfriend don't speak to me there are so many women who act like that where they won't

01:19:58.020 even talk to another man literally like i have a boyfriend they're like i'm just trying to seat

01:20:02.420 you at your table for dinner so i think it just comes on every side but i definitely agree with you

01:20:06.420 and i think to take it a step further that if you don't want to do that if you're not with somebody

01:20:10.900 who makes you want to you know just put your eyes his eyes on you and really only pursue that

01:20:15.540 relationship then i don't think you're with the right person and i think every girl has experienced

01:20:19.220 that where a guy when you're talking to a guy he either makes you want to never speak to met

01:20:23.220 another man ever again or reminds you how much better you can get and then encourages you to date

01:20:29.380 more and find a better match for yourself i'm perfectly willing to grant that there are women who

01:20:34.020 are who are in relationships who go to these environments and they will shut down a hundred percent

01:20:39.220 of the men a hundred percent of the time the and that might very well be the case although there's

01:20:45.300 certainly situations where like i mean women have a hypergamous nature there very well could be a case

01:20:49.940 it's like well are we are like in like an argument phase of our relationship and is oh this guy's like

01:20:56.820 i don't know if this other guy who's stepping to you if he's like exceptional in some additional way

01:21:02.500 like you just got to close down your options but even putting that aside if you guys are looking to

01:21:09.380 men to be leaders and to be protectors one one component of us being protectors would be we have to

01:21:18.660 have some say and authority when it comes to your conduct and protecting the relationship because if

01:21:23.860 you're going to these parties let's say you have no intention of cheating some guy could roofie you

01:21:28.420 we're looking out for you i don't want you in the club and you know he could somebody could put

01:21:33.220 something in your drink some guy could grab your ass and you feel terrible about it and i'm not that's

01:21:38.100 terrible behavior but guys are drunk they do that i don't want to expose my girlfriend to that kind of

01:21:44.020 conduct from other men and and also just i don't drink and party and all that stuff so like i'm not

01:21:50.740 dating women who do this for the most part anyways but uh yeah we're just trying to protect you so i

01:21:56.340 i like that point of view um but that's why like when i said i get paid to go here i know the

01:22:00.340 promoters like they'll get us a section for me and my girls to sit at so our drinks aren't anywhere near

01:22:06.820 where it can get roofied on the dance floor or guys aren't close enough to be smacking our ass like

01:22:11.780 we're literally sitting enjoying ourselves in the club and we have our own secluded area to dance

01:22:16.260 if we did want to dance we don't have to step onto the sweaty dance floor in close proximity with

01:22:20.980 i'm just curious like look i i'm not all there's different kinds of clubs different kinds of

01:22:26.420 environments i mean i know you're saying that but like to me just from a business perspective um

01:22:32.900 they're the reason they have the women in the clubs is like the men they want to talk to the

01:22:37.140 women they want to interact with the women um you're saying well you've got your little space

01:22:44.260 so you're saying in the history of all the times you've been to a bar and you have your section no

01:22:49.940 no guy has ever talked to you ever well i have single friends who are there with me so they'll

01:22:55.940 go off and mingle or they'll go talk to some guys and it's not technically me who's bringing guys to

01:23:02.900 the clubs but it's the girls that i bring and you know guys see more girls are in the club so they're

01:23:08.980 willing to pay a cover fee or they're willing to spend for a couple of drinks at the bar to get tipsy

01:23:13.940 to go hit on some girls they're willing to spend on the girls who are there to milk their money

01:23:18.020 throughout the course of your relationship when you're going out to the bars and the clubs did

01:23:21.460 a guy uh at the club or bar ever say anything inappropriate to you in fact you are wait you

01:23:27.780 already admitted to this because you said there are a few times you were out even with your boyfriend

01:23:32.340 and you were hopeful that he would intervene in some way but he didn't because he's non-confrontational

01:23:37.220 okay so did you you even admitted that it happens yeah um when you go out even with your boyfriend

01:23:42.660 i feel like some guys have no no regard for relationships sometimes having a man will make

01:23:47.700 them want to hit on you more some of my experience like compete with him yeah so that's even i mean

01:23:53.540 that seems like a really good reason to not go out to the club but even being a singer songwriter when

01:23:58.420 i go perform at all these clubs bars venues in la like there are guys who are fawning over me in the

01:24:04.340 crowd and my boyfriend has to like witness this what can he do uh not go to the bar or club he's just

01:24:10.660 there to support me performing for oh oh what you're doing a performance i perform at clubs and

01:24:16.580 bars too and there's guys in the clubs and bars who find me attractive okay all right well all right

01:24:22.740 guys we have a couple chats here that i'm going to read uh and then we'll get to the relationship

01:24:25.940 status we've got actually deborah can i have you read this these yes if you can see call me skeptical

01:24:31.140 but this chick wanted to lock down half of the marital i can't see it no no i think it says marital

01:24:38.180 the cup i can read guys i swear marital estate before she blindsided him with the poly crap at

01:24:43.540 which point he was stuck in a financial straitjacket by the way dot dot dot uh wait hold on uh

01:24:53.060 oh sorry this one okay go ahead continued by the way i'm a lawyer don't bullshit me dude got totally

01:24:59.300 railroaded by the vile woman gents out there eyes wide open i believe this is to you do you have a

01:25:05.220 response to lucas i guess you would know takes one to know one baby okay cool rock and roll uh

01:25:12.660 relationship status what about you uh i have a pet i i have a pet like a guy that that acts like my dog

01:25:21.940 oh wait hold on oh i thought you were joking um no he sleeps on my floor in the dog bed you have a

01:25:29.380 he's like a sub is that what you yeah yeah he just does whatever i ask a servant so you have a master

01:25:34.580 slave bdsm dynamic yeah basically i i don't i went you're being serious right yeah i i was in i got out

01:25:40.980 of an abusive relationship about a year ago the guy tried to strangle me like five times ran to the

01:25:44.980 neighbor's house i'm not sure how that's relevant but okay so i i ended up with this well because as you

01:25:49.060 know the best way to recover from being in an abusive relationship is to abuse somebody

01:25:56.020 everybody knows that well i don't hit him or anything and he's he he he yeah just humiliate

01:26:01.540 him make him sleep in a dog bed does he have a dog i told him he could i didn't tell him he had to

01:26:05.460 he asked me to buy him a dog bed yeah i mean you realize you do realize that there are mentally ill

01:26:11.700 individuals out there who do mentally ill things and that it is very enabling when a person's like well i

01:26:17.460 know that you're mentally ill and sick in the head that you'd be willing to sleep in a dog bed like

01:26:21.700 a freak but i'm gonna go ahead and in some way get some sort of gratification from that like what

01:26:26.980 it doesn't doesn't that say something bad about you uh i didn't think about it but i guess i i don't

01:26:33.380 know i i take care of him financially i pay all of his bills like why because i i don't know i

01:26:39.540 she's the dom i just enjoy the comforts do you peg him too i don't think so you how would you you

01:26:46.980 would forget that or how would you forget that i tell him he's a good boy though does he bark for

01:26:51.780 you he probably would if i asked him to is this around this is like yeah what kind of pet dynamic

01:26:57.460 is this yeah this is like that off have you seen that office episode where they like went to jan's

01:27:02.020 house like michael and jan's house and like jan had the whole bed she walks him with the collar

01:27:07.540 yeah the ottoman that's kind of what it is actually and then there's like a there's like

01:27:11.780 a what's it called you know at the edge of the bed there's a ottoman it was like an ottoman he slept

01:27:18.020 on the ottoman are you being 100 serious is it abusive if there's a contract that says he consents

01:27:23.940 to this i mean look it is a relationship okay yeah i mean i'm sure i'm sure if a man for instance

01:27:30.900 were to have some type of contract with a woman that it was okay for him to well i don't know smack

01:27:35.300 her around whenever he felt like it you would still consider that to be abusive even though

01:27:38.660 it was contractual right i looked it up by law it's technically if it's consensual by a contract

01:27:43.700 you're okay you wouldn't think that that was abusive i mean if i don't like it and i'm saying

01:27:51.540 no then yeah that's a form of abuse i think how long has this been going on uh well i've known for

01:27:58.500 eight years but it became more of a thing recently how recently like about about a year now so you

01:28:05.460 guys been together for a year uh we're not together well okay hold on do you take him on walks

01:28:11.540 does he get little treats yeah i thought that would be funny he's already talked about that yeah so

01:28:16.340 um are you dating somebody else no no no no i have so how long how long how long have you been

01:28:23.860 single uh about a year maybe a year and a half all right longest relationship uh 12 years was that

01:28:31.540 the one that ended a year ago no uh i dated someone when i started dating when i was 10 years old

01:28:37.140 i'm gonna quit till my early 20s how old were they they're also 11 11 and that was the 12-year

01:28:43.540 relationship okay uh who broke up with who in the 12-year relationship um he admitted something

01:28:51.860 openly that like he had gotten raped and then couldn't you gotta say essay man oh essay sorry

01:28:57.860 essay uh that he got essayed and then he kind of ghosted me i think he was just ashamed of the fact

01:29:03.940 that he was violated okay your relationship that ended a year ago how long was that one um that was

01:29:12.980 a year all right who broke up with who um he just got arrested and it ended from there

01:29:19.220 arrested for what he tried to strangle me within five times with one night was it consensual no no

01:29:25.540 no i was running i ran to the next door neighbor i was running away from him uh was this the first

01:29:29.940 time he tried to hurt you no okay that was second not the second it was just that's done

01:29:36.980 uh right were you guys having an argument or no he got he was drunk he got mad about pizza i put the

01:29:43.380 he ordered pizza and then he fasted out and i put it in the fridge and he got mad that i put it in the

01:29:47.140 fridge started just freaking out on me and screaming on me mental illness okay why are you so attracted to

01:29:55.860 mentally ill men abusive men i don't know i don't know i can't i can't i've never actually had a deep

01:30:04.420 conversation with myself the childhood trauma perhaps yeah probably the current uh the current

01:30:10.020 a guy that you're not seeing but lives in your house and you pay all of his bills uh do you have

01:30:15.380 a carnal relationship with this gentleman like what what kind of relationship sexual is it a sexual

01:30:20.580 relationship um no i really haven't had much sex in like a year i would say it has been like twice and

01:30:30.980 then i just know it's not sexual anymore wait you've had sex with him twice yeah yeah in the very

01:30:36.740 beginning and then i just i just can't have sex with him anymore how often does he sleep on your

01:30:42.260 floor every night oh every night he comes over and sleeps oh he lives he doesn't he doesn't leave my

01:30:47.220 house does he do your chores yes can you just break down like everything he does for you um holds my

01:30:53.060 jacket if i have girlfriends he holds their jackets and purses if i need him to walk to the grocery store

01:30:58.740 he will if i get sick he'll take care of me if he gets sick i take care of him um um yeah everything

01:31:06.420 any any house tour any done he'll get done for me okay he just doesn't drive does he wear anything

01:31:12.580 is he is he older than you yeah he's 30. yeah okay so um the couple a couple of quick questions um

01:31:20.980 i'm just curious about when when if you think about what is mentally stable right or somebody who's not

01:31:27.860 mentally ill would would you see it as a sign of perhaps abnormality a man who is willing to sleep

01:31:34.900 on the ground in a dog bed and be ordered about by a person who owned the place to the point where

01:31:41.940 they would stand there as a coat rack or uh have endless demands put on them which are essentially

01:31:48.180 dehumanizing uh what is what is that will you repeat that first part of the sentence um please

01:31:54.900 yeah would you consider that mentally stable graffito tagged donated 200 girls do men expect

01:32:02.420 extremely kinky slash weird stuff in bed due to corn becoming more extreme can you give examples

01:32:09.460 have you ever had to break up because a sex actor guy wanted was too crazy for you we'll come right

01:32:14.900 back to that graffito go uh go ahead andrew yeah sure i'm just wondering do you consider that to be

01:32:19.460 mental mentally stable behavior i i don't think he's mentally stable at all i definitely know he's not

01:32:24.260 mentally stable but he's not capable of taking care of himself i've tried to help him get his

01:32:28.420 driver's license i've tried to help him get i mean are you are you a psychologist no no i mean so you

01:32:35.380 can't you can't make a diagnosis i guess you're right i can't i can't but he doesn't about whether

01:32:40.100 or not hang on hang on about whether or not a person can take care of themselves and if even if

01:32:44.020 he couldn't and i'll just grant to you that he couldn't wouldn't you then defer that to professionals

01:32:48.900 who could assist him so that he could take care of himself rather than exploiting a mentally ill

01:32:53.140 person making them sleep on the floor like a dog how is that not monstrous uh i guess i thought

01:32:59.700 because it's consensual and he like wants to be next to me all the time i didn't think it was

01:33:04.180 is it consensual if a mentally ill person gives consent are they really giving consent he was

01:33:09.540 a diagnosis mentally ill so i mean i i don't know i i never thought about this sorry andrew i just want

01:33:15.540 to jump in you mentioned before the show that you're a mother how if you have a mentally ill person

01:33:20.420 that you acknowledge is mentally ill living in your home how is how are you feel safe with your

01:33:24.580 child around him like why are you exposing your child to that my daughter loves him and he's really

01:33:29.380 good with my daughter too you just said that he's mentally ill well i i don't know what you guys

01:33:33.380 considered mentally ill like he can take care of himself he's good with kids like what dark would

01:33:39.140 would bark like dog if requested stands as coat rack for you sleeps on the floor at like a dog is treated

01:33:45.620 as a pet by you by your admission i think that a person who would be willing to uh to do that

01:33:52.740 sounds like they have some screws loose yeah yeah but he's not like he has a good heart like he's not

01:33:58.580 like a bad person i'm not blaming him i don't think he's bad i don't think i don't think that uh the

01:34:04.980 person here who's completely unwell is a bad person she asked about my kid and if he was a bad person of

01:34:10.980 course he wouldn't be around my kid but he's not a bad person he's actually really good with people

01:34:15.860 but what do you do you think that is not sending some sort of message or like teaching your you said

01:34:20.660 it was a daughter i believe well he doesn't do that if my kid is there i sure uh co-parent with my

01:34:25.460 sister so if he my if my sister like gives me like we share custody um if my daughter's there he

01:34:34.340 doesn't do that around my daughter no not only that but do not think that it's confusing your

01:34:38.820 daughter to see her mother in a relationship with a man who's a doormat for her instead of

01:34:42.820 like a loving monogamous relationship or even not a monogamous relationship like a real partner you

01:34:47.140 have a point she kind of like well she kind of go i guess so yeah because she's dominant too like she

01:34:52.260 kind of tells him what to do and yeah no that there's a point there yeah because like the father

01:34:57.540 figure in your life or at least whoever that is maybe the stepdad the daddy stepped up whatever it

01:35:01.300 might be in people's situations i know that for women that really determines a lot about the future

01:35:06.260 relationships that they engage in and what they expect for themselves and what they think they

01:35:09.940 deserve like shout out to my dad who would warm the car up every single morning before school when

01:35:14.500 i was a kid like do you not want better for your daughter than this don't you think you deserve a

01:35:19.140 real partner in life who i think i'm just scared of men because i went through a year ago and i've known

01:35:23.860 him for eight years so it's easy to be close to someone you're comfortable with then get abused again

01:35:28.660 have your thought of conquering that fear and like i don't know cbt therapy or something like that to

01:35:32.980 really move past it instead of just having to go to therapy but every time i try to get therapy it

01:35:37.300 seems like there's always an issue trying to get a therapist to help with something so i i i've

01:35:42.740 definitely reached out to people i've definitely asked for help but like it seems like there's always

01:35:46.900 like an insurance problem if i get that fixed there's another issue like well have you thought about

01:35:51.940 the idea that uh perhaps you're just a horrible person have you thought have you have you perhaps

01:35:57.940 reconciled the fact that uh you could just be a fucking awful person who likes to uh do damage to

01:36:03.700 men no no because i've had boyfriends say i'm a wonderful girlfriend like i've had when you make

01:36:10.660 them sleep on the floor no they make them act as a coat wrap for your friends so you can demean them

01:36:15.460 technically he's not my boyfriend but when i've had boyfriends i've cleaned their dishes took in care of

01:36:19.780 their dog walk their dog i've also been the one that takes care of all their stuff while they're

01:36:24.260 paying the financial bills and i just sit there and i take care of them you know i think that there's

01:36:28.900 an over emphasis often on the idea of therapy therapists and the fact that you need a mental

01:36:34.980 mental health professional to come in i think that the first step uh honestly is uh but where's the

01:36:42.500 common sense here like uh i don't actually even understand like where's the common sense this guy

01:36:47.620 has the right to leave if you make a man sleep on the floor like a dog and then publicly proclaim

01:36:53.620 that he's your pet right you might be a horrible person like i don't know why he has the right to

01:36:59.700 leave and go anywhere he wants i don't i don't be pale as bills why would he ever leave if you're

01:37:04.500 paying all his bills he doesn't really have he's like leeching off of you he's not trapped there

01:37:08.180 either but he doesn't have an incentive to leave if you're paying all his bills why would he go

01:37:11.700 be broker and homeless or whatever that's what i'm saying if he thought you every night if anybody

01:37:16.260 thought i was a horrible person they can always get up and leave my place too but do you see how you

01:37:20.500 have incentivized him to stay in this environment he's dependent he's dependent on you he's you've

01:37:25.140 incentivized him it's kind of like federal government aid on welfare that you're just getting a consistent

01:37:29.620 check or something why would you ever go and get your own job or figure out something else like

01:37:33.300 like here i'll show you i'll show you what she's saying right let's yeah let's reverse this for a

01:37:37.940 second hang on let's reverse it let's pretend for a second that uh i was on the panel and i said well

01:37:44.180 i found a mentally unwell woman who can't take care of herself and she's totally dependent upon me

01:37:50.340 at night i make her sleep on the ground right i make her do all sorts of sexual things whenever

01:37:55.380 i feel like it right and i treat her like a doormat in front of every woman who comes over not not a

01:38:02.820 doormat like oh i'm kind of rude to her but literally make her stand there with her arm extended and then

01:38:08.580 me and my friends hang our coats and balance our drinks from her little nose would you would any woman

01:38:14.820 hear not say that that was fucking horrific and that i was a monster go ahead i just by a show of

01:38:21.700 hands who would say if i said all of that to you that i was a monster show of hands

01:38:28.820 yeah yeah okay but somehow the sisterhood can't be bothered to express to this woman that what she's

01:38:37.140 doing is fucking monstrous no one's ever said anything to me yeah i'm sure they haven't

01:38:45.140 well i guess it's because on twitter like i've seen a lot of stuff about um findum so like what is

01:38:52.340 that findum is i don't know specific terms and all that but she's just saying we don't king shame around

01:38:59.300 here yeah exactly i was like some people are into that stuff so i just try to like respectfully listen i

01:39:05.460 haven't really thought that people are like mentally ill yeah but if it was a man if it was

01:39:09.460 a man well you're saying all submissive people are mentally he would be a monster that's basically

01:39:14.180 what you're saying is on all people that want to actually be because there's people that pay people

01:39:19.060 to be made pay there's people that enjoy that like there's people that dress up in fucking sex

01:39:23.780 outfits and clean your house and live there permanently yeah they're mentally unwell they're

01:39:27.300 mentally unwell these listen you can't you can't tell me that a guy who demands that you take his

01:39:33.460 last dime so that he can come harder is not a mentally unwell man of course they're mentally

01:39:39.940 unwell and it's and it's exploiting that mental unwellness and it's like somehow i don't understand

01:39:46.020 why women give each other a pass on this why they're not like you sick psychopath why are you

01:39:50.820 doing this horrible thing to this guy i i don't i don't actually get it i guess i i can explain that

01:39:56.180 we get we some women when we're like doing this shit we get like kind of i don't know our brain

01:40:02.020 when society is like oh that's okay then we start doing we get used to doing that stuff it's not

01:40:06.740 anybody doesn't tell us it's wrong we're not going to break that pattern of being like oh that that

01:40:10.900 doesn't sound right no you know because we kind of get like into this like just as all of society

01:40:17.460 kind of brainwashed into shit and we were kind of like don't think that's brainwashing

01:40:21.380 yeah but did he ask for this or did you propose the idea he asked for the dog bed he's asked for this

01:40:27.380 stuff like i didn't he like sit you down have a conversation with you actually yeah kind of yeah

01:40:33.620 a little bit and do you ever see this ending is there an end point in the future yeah i haven't

01:40:38.740 thought about that but they're yeah but the the i mean if i if i met somebody that i actually enjoyed

01:40:44.660 spending time with that actually like wasn't like wanted to do the equal part like get a have a car and

01:40:51.060 they had a good job and yeah i'd be like yeah you know what i i found someone that i actually

01:40:55.620 appreciate like they want to put half of the weight into the relationship i probably would

01:40:59.860 be like this is not going to work out it seems like from everything that you've said about

01:41:03.140 relationships that like relationships to you are just like a financial situation where like if we

01:41:07.060 want to go 50 50 provide for him he provides for me but like in my opinion there's so much more like

01:41:11.860 especially when it comes to long-term monogamy and having a child already if her dad's not in her

01:41:16.020 life having a strong person to help i know being a single mom it's impossible to do everything

01:41:20.180 that's amazing that your sister helps out but even being able to spend enough quality time with

01:41:24.580 your child while also trying to bring income in i'm only 24 i don't have a daughter but i do have

01:41:28.980 friends who have you know children and they have husbands who are very helpful and i can't imagine

01:41:33.140 them i don't know what it's like to have a good man so yeah has this started from when you were

01:41:38.260 young have you always gone after abusive men or at least men who just weren't up high value up to

01:41:43.860 the standard really wanted you for everything that you are and not just the financial aspect yeah yeah it's

01:41:49.540 been an issue with starting with my my narcissistic mother to like uh the men she dated yeah so so do

01:41:57.460 you see that you're repeating that pattern for your daughter now when you can break the cycle instead

01:42:02.100 and choose better um i've started to notice it more recently and it's been very difficult to break

01:42:08.740 something that's psychologically ingrained into me i need like that's that's not an overnight healing

01:42:15.860 thing that you can just do overnight that is a lot of work to put in well is your daughter not

01:42:20.500 worth putting in the work for well yeah she is so then why not start tomorrow kick him out of your

01:42:24.980 house you don't have to find a new man but you can put all that energy into your child and you can

01:42:29.460 heal and attract somebody who wants you for who you are not just any financial benefits that you can

01:42:34.500 offer not for a dog bed for genuinely who you are as a human being you know i actually the last week i've

01:42:40.260 been like we've started fighting about stupid and i was like you know i don't know why i'm doing this

01:42:46.100 but i've been doing it for a while and it's not enjoyable like it was when it when we were first

01:42:51.300 like connected it was just a past relationship and i'm dragging that along with me because i'm

01:42:55.940 scared of like fully embracing being in the future and all in the past and i think that's just trauma

01:43:02.260 just holding me back from being happy the best advice i ever got no you're not you're not a victim

01:43:08.260 here you gotta let go you're the victimizer here you're the victimizer not the victim like every

01:43:16.100 time every time i i see this this pattern of when a woman is clearly victimizing man clearly

01:43:22.900 victimizing him well it's okay don't give me too much pushback because after all i have former trauma

01:43:28.580 it's like that's no excuse i'm sorry you don't you don't you don't get to do horrible things to people

01:43:32.820 because horrible things were done to you all of us have had horrible things done to us all of us no

01:43:37.780 you're no exception right everybody's had horrible things done to them in life and have to have

01:43:42.500 dealt with horrible challenges in life everybody has dealt with horrible challenges yeah right you

01:43:48.020 what you're doing right now right you should you should be reflective because um this is this is

01:43:52.740 psychotic it's psychotic and horrific and you like you just got to stop right you just got to stop

01:43:57.220 doing it it's it's it's horrific yeah but i would say like no one's perfect we can all learn from

01:44:03.380 everything and and you know oh yeah yeah that's fine you know just go shoot a guy down the road

01:44:08.180 and be like you know no one's perfect you know i got you gotta live and learn you know you're a

01:44:12.180 perfect person what do you mean i i wasn't allowed to go shoot that it's like come on yeah but you

01:44:17.380 haven't made mistakes you haven't made mistakes you're perfect like you haven't had trauma affect

01:44:22.420 your life like you're i just got done telling you that not only have i dealt with all sorts of personal

01:44:28.420 baggage trauma all sorts of things right just like everybody else has that is not an excuse for

01:44:34.260 me to be a horrible person but you learn i don't i don't get a pass like no one's ever going to be

01:44:39.780 like well andrew you being a horrible bastard i'm going to go ahead and give you the pass on that

01:44:45.060 because of past trauma but for some reason reflexively women go because horrible thing done to me i was a

01:44:51.460 perfect angel until some man corrupted me so therefore doing horrible things to other people is acceptable

01:44:56.020 it's not acceptable i was traumatized when a zinn was spitting my cup i'm not spitting in anybody

01:45:00.580 else's cup this time i mean you i think i actually just saw you put something in my cup you wish

01:45:07.940 uh okay all right all right uh thank you rachel for the soup chat by the way with collagen oh there

01:45:13.540 you go there you go okay we have a chat here from lucas uh can you read it deborah yes i also we missed

01:45:18.980 that to go back to that one from before whenever nice pb herman response it's patently obvious that

01:45:23.700 you're quite the highbrow intellect nevertheless i've been married 22 years plus two kids oh and

01:45:28.260 by the way my billing rate is 12 50 an hour so do the math wait are you crying are you crying are you

01:45:35.300 crying are you crying because you did horrible fucking things to a person and you finally realized

01:45:39.780 that you're doing horrible things to a person no i just you need it you need to cry it's good for you

01:45:44.820 to cry that's you know that's called taking responsibility i get that but you gotta understand

01:45:49.220 like people aren't fucking purple people make mistakes and we can learn from that you shouldn't

01:45:53.460 just be like oh i'm a fucking human being just because i didn't recognize something i can change

01:45:58.180 and i can grow oh boo hoo oh you did a horrible thing to a person and you it was pointed out that

01:46:03.380 you need to stop being horrible i was doing a fucking horrible thing to somebody accountability

01:46:08.180 for the horrible fucking things that you're doing and you you should cry about it because it's

01:46:12.740 fucking awful it's awful so you never treated a girl like shit before it no i've never made a

01:46:19.220 woman sleep on the ground like a dog and took her from walks and exploited her mental illness it's

01:46:23.620 psychotic and you know what he doesn't i don't even know if he has a fucking mental illness so that's

01:46:27.620 a fucking assumption he seems on the floor like a dog at his own request he wanted to i didn't ask him

01:46:32.340 to fucking do that he wanted to do that that was his choice i told him he could sleep on the

01:46:38.660 bed he wanted a guy comes over wants to cut off his arm are you going to be like well it was his

01:46:43.140 choice i told him he could sleep on the bed he chose to sleep on the floor how is that my fucking

01:46:48.420 fault because you have agency and accountability so does he as an adult he can choose to sleep on

01:46:55.860 the floor he can choose to sleep on the bed that's not that doesn't make me a horrible

01:47:00.180 fucking person you have a duty an accountable duty because you are mentally well so i if he wants to

01:47:07.380 sleep on the floor i should say hey not get up on the bed wait guys get up on the bed get up on the

01:47:12.180 bed because that is not fair to me to tell a person how they should be living their life if he wants to

01:47:16.900 live on the floor he can live on the floor if he wants to live on the bed he can get up on the bed

01:47:20.340 and sleep on the bed i gave him that option but if you didn't play the part of like him being your

01:47:25.460 pet would he still do that if you just treat him like normal you being instead of a dog i mean i don't

01:47:29.220 i don't know that's what he wants then maybe if you just stop doing that he wouldn't

01:47:32.900 find use with you of that anymore well i mean maybe i don't know i just told him he could

01:47:37.220 sleep on the bed i never said hey you can do this or you want this he chose to sleep on the floor

01:47:42.820 that was yeah well look how quick those fake tears dried up wow cool bro

01:47:51.620 that's really great awkward

01:47:58.900 someone someone asked the question earlier we didn't get back i like that you invalidate the fact

01:48:03.700 that someone actually has emotion because you think that i'm some psycho but yeah you actually

01:48:07.860 think you're some god right like you think you're the best dog i don't think i'm a god i think i but

01:48:12.660 but here's the thing right it's like what it's not godly it's not it's not me

01:48:18.180 well are you god to tell you to stop being a horrific human being and putting a man on the floor

01:48:23.300 or putting him on the floor treating him i didn't put him on the effing floor and they made that very

01:48:28.100 clear i gave the option to sleep on the bed i gave him that option i didn't say hey go sleep on the

01:48:34.340 floor i didn't tell him to sleep on the floor he has the option to sleep on the bed he chose to do

01:48:40.100 that so he has every right to do that or he has every right to sleep on the bed he has a 30 year old

01:48:44.980 man he can do whatever the he wants to do i just i gave him the option no responsibility no

01:48:51.700 accountability no duty what's what do you want me to grab him by his arms and put him on my effing

01:48:55.780 bed no i don't know i'm not controlling how about what he does can you get him some help i i don't

01:49:04.340 know how i'm not in control of a 30 year old you don't have to be in control he can go he can go to

01:49:10.420 anything to get the resources if this if you're in charge to the point where you can treat him like

01:49:15.940 a coat rack and hang your jacket on him you think you can't take him you think if you say hey boy

01:49:20.020 come on and get in the car because i'm going to take you over to the clinic so that they can get

01:49:24.580 you mentally evaluated he's not going to go with you you just don't have any duty here you have no

01:49:28.660 i mean i've taken him to get an obama phone i he's got an obama phone i've taken him to get food stamps

01:49:34.420 i've put in the time to actually take care of this person and make sure they're trying to get steps

01:49:38.740 towards going somewhere else because you get because you get off on torturing him no i don't yeah you do

01:49:44.980 otherwise you wouldn't make him stand as a coat rack and hang your coats i don't necessarily

01:49:48.660 offers to take people's coats like he offers to actually help out

01:49:55.860 i mean this the story kind of changes by the second so that you could make it sound like it's

01:50:00.340 less horrible than what it is you have a duty you have a responsibility you're crying because

01:50:04.580 the first time anybody's ever told you that how did you get through life how did you get this far

01:50:08.980 in life without somebody telling you that you're not allowed to do that to people

01:50:16.420 because maybe you're making it seem bad worse than it actually is yeah whatever yeah maybe you're

01:50:21.460 making it try to seem like it's not as bad as it actually is because that's another form of validation

01:50:25.860 look at me okay all righty then okay well we have going to uh unless sandra did you have more

01:50:34.020 you shit on me for crying when you say it's not okay for me yeah good good i'll show you you know

01:50:40.340 i'm not shitting on you for crying right you said are you are you really crying right now

01:50:44.420 absolutely you said i should fucking cry so what make up your goddamn mind good good cry good yeah

01:50:50.900 i fucking will cry you need to what you're doing is horrific good cry about it cry more

01:50:55.460 what the fuck you say that i'm the fucking beautiful one you're telling me to fucking go

01:51:03.220 cry like yeah but you want to be my dom why don't you fucking be my dom while you're at it tell me

01:51:08.740 what the fuck you do tell me when i should go to the fucking bathroom you want to be your dom andrew

01:51:14.020 she she's looking for it she's switching roles she was the sub she or no she was the dom now she

01:51:19.860 wants to be a sub andrew's a married man just letting you know so he's probably not available he's

01:51:25.300 not available i'm as his representative as his agent as his pr person he's not available to dom

01:51:31.300 you i'm sorry i don't want that but i'm just saying he's telling me what to do he's a very good

01:51:36.020 so it sounds like you want to be my dad you would be a good dom tell me to cry you would be what's

01:51:41.460 happening right now yes what's happening let's go back to the question ultimately i'm a i'm a very

01:51:46.740 i'm very much a very kind man and what you're doing is the kind of you sound like a very

01:51:52.820 kind man in the mustache yeah well yeah that's right because because here the actual victim

01:51:59.300 the actual victim who's not you is who you should be crying for not for you

01:52:06.340 next question anyways uh that was a that was that was an exchange that happened uh so okay we have

01:52:12.900 graffito tagged he asked like three questions um i'll pull it back up

01:52:17.140 up i think we can only do two hundred dollars girls do men expect extremely kinky slash weird

01:52:26.180 stuff in bed due to corn becoming more extreme can you give examples have you ever had to break up

01:52:32.820 because a sex act a guy wanted was too crazy for you anybody anybody

01:52:42.740 nope

01:52:46.180 i think threesome's a little bit crazy like my ex would be like oh you want to do a threesome

01:52:49.300 i'm like no that's disgusting to me by the way guys just reminder for the i mean i know we don't

01:52:53.780 always like really disclose this but typically we just do one question per message it gets complicated

01:52:58.740 if there's like three different questions um i just to be fair to you graffito has a guy how about

01:53:07.140 this has a guy ever like asked you to do something that you just were like nah and you think maybe it's

01:53:14.020 because he was like a porn degen i had a guy ask me to shit in his mouth one time that's disgusting

01:53:20.260 i couldn't do it oh no what if he paid you to do it no then like no like a mil no you want to do for

01:53:26.580 a mil no 10 i'd be too shy i'd be on someone's money dude no that's like health that's like

01:53:33.780 my gosh yeah all right all right graffito tag there you go you got what you wanted severely

01:53:38.660 sick by doing that was it a white guy is it peeing on people actually he was french like european so

01:53:43.700 oh no don't bring up and the mouse not the french people ask you in person like no no he messaged

01:53:50.500 me but then he asked me also what i ate that day oh my god this this man had mental illness for sure

01:53:57.300 oh yeah but i didn't do it i just yeah um all right lucas he says oh boy all right lucas uh what a vile

01:54:04.260 dog shit okay that's crazy you know what i can't read that that first part you know what my ancestors

01:54:09.620 and ancients are you greek lucas um would do to useless damn chill out lucas bro uh not sure if the

01:54:17.460 tts is appropriate you think bro i can't read the rest i'm sorry bro but uh all right thank you lucas

01:54:23.300 i appreciate the the messages uh relationship status um in a relationship how long you've been

01:54:30.340 together uh six months or so all right longest relationship nine years all right any kids no

01:54:38.020 ever married no engaged planned a whole wedding but it was canceled i see the nine-year relationship

01:54:44.180 who broke up with who um i guess he would say me you broke up with him all right the six-month

01:54:51.060 relationship how do y'all meet oh we met at the jalopy theater in 2010 actually so we've kept in touch

01:55:00.100 all right okay deborah's not here unfortunately so we're gonna have to get into

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01:55:35.220 while i get into my pre-show notes we'll wait for deborah to get her uh get into the relationship

01:55:39.220 status so we have emily that's you yeah uh you found out your ex cheated on you so you made a fake

01:55:49.060 snapchat account to ask the girls about it you got her facetime so this is the previous ex then you

01:55:54.980 guys are you guys still friends or were friends i don't know um yeah the ex that cheated on me how did

01:56:01.780 he cheat on you like he fucked her or so he was like can i say like incriminating stuff on here he

01:56:11.860 his job was basically to do like drop off yeah so i it wouldn't be like random behavior for him to

01:56:18.020 like be waiting at a park or outside of a neighborhood for a little bit wait how long

01:56:22.260 were you dating this guy um i think for a year how soon into the relationship did you know he was a drug

01:56:28.180 dealer like immediately because he wasn't always like it was something kind of oh he started yeah

01:56:36.820 okay was he involved in other kinds of illicit conduct like i don't know uh scamming people

01:56:42.500 or anything no just like that that one kind of drugs was he selling not too much now um i can't be

01:56:49.460 saying all that what was he selling but he was he was just the the driver he would just use the mule

01:56:55.060 that's it he was in possession of the drugs and he would drop it somewhere mm-hmm but okay what was

01:57:00.340 he blow cocaine yeah okay anything else um meth i didn't really ask too much it's safe to assume it's

01:57:08.420 yeah um and how soon into the relationship did you like did he talk to you about this yeah we would

01:57:16.500 watch like power and stuff together he was like all about that scar face life like yeah this wasn't so

01:57:23.060 wait uh you said it was six months into the one-year relationship that i found out he was cheating

01:57:28.740 no that you found out he was selling drugs oh well both yeah both okay that wasn't an issue for you

01:57:35.780 that the drug dealing uh no as long as i wasn't involved in it you and he was like safe with what

01:57:41.300 he was doing it's just kind of not my business it was like what he was doing with his brother so

01:57:46.500 that's like family business i was like whatever how can you find both of those things out at the same

01:57:50.740 time was he a white guy what was his race just curious hispanic hispanic okay um um just because

01:57:57.780 it was it was just kind of coincidence like i was going through his facebook and his spotify like

01:58:02.500 the social media is that you would i guess least think to check um and then i don't know i guess

01:58:08.500 woman's intuition i had a feeling that the house that he was at wasn't just no drop off he was doing

01:58:13.300 yeah i can't even make this up to you i don't understand this like woman's intuition thing like

01:58:17.780 if you guys had such good intuition why do you constantly date terrible well he wasn't a cheater

01:58:22.980 then i don't know i guess but wouldn't like the the you have this intuition about them cheating

01:58:28.180 why didn't the intuition tell you earlier that this was a cheater maybe he wasn't a cheater then

01:58:34.660 but then i don't know maybe he lost feelings maybe i was crazy and it drove him away well you're

01:58:38.980 definitely crazy but yeah uh wait so hold on uh is that not a red flag ladies

01:58:47.140 which part the drug dealing your intuition doesn't just tell you like you've been dating a guy for six

01:58:51.380 months and he's like by the way babe i'm selling cocaine and meth and heroin i was not a red flag

01:58:56.420 he don't like it because he's getting he's getting money do you like it no your boy she's laughing

01:59:03.220 question for you two you've been in a four-year relationship how long four years four years four

01:59:06.900 years your boyfriend comes to you tonight after the podcast and says babe i am currently a meth

01:59:14.820 any this is breaking bad he he also makes the meth makes the meth sells the meth also has cancer

01:59:22.100 do you just kidding about the last part almost like what lung cancer uh do you stay with him

01:59:28.260 or do you dump him i feel like for him to be lying that long would be like such a huge no he just

01:59:33.300 started it like three months ago he hid he hid it from you but he he's coming clean now he has a bunch

01:59:38.740 of money and he's i don't know it's still a red flag but do you stay with him i don't know i have to be

01:59:44.580 in the situation you're in the situation i actually know your current boyfriend he's currently

01:59:49.540 cooking you're in the situation right now um is he your dealer brian tell me right now let me find

01:59:58.180 out but what what's your like knee-jerk reaction do you stay with him i don't know i need to talk to

02:00:04.420 this with my mom and be like he's been lying to me this whole time i think the meth and heroin

02:00:09.780 would be a deal breaker for me other drugs would be okay but the meth and heroin draw the line okay

02:00:14.740 i would stand by mine to be honest i mean i would talk to him though i would be like stop

02:00:18.740 andrew i'd be like stop you know would this not would this be like a lack of loyalty if a girl

02:00:24.740 dumped a guy exactly yeah i'm like get that money you don't get locked up or i don't get locked up

02:00:31.780 like get that money baby we'll keep it on the low for a little bit and then you stop well do you guys

02:00:35.860 remember a story of that woman like i i'm gonna look like a bad political commentator for forgetting

02:00:43.700 her name but there was like pictures of her all over maryland when i was in college there whose

02:00:47.220 boyfriend was a drug dealer and the police came and raided her house and she got shot anybody who

02:00:51.940 knows anything about politics i know the story i'm blanking something there was a whole protest in

02:00:56.180 maryland but she got shot killed in the shooting between the police trying to kill her boyfriend who

02:01:03.220 was a violent drug dealer and um brianna taylor brianna taylor and there was pictures her boyfriend was a

02:01:09.460 drug dealer she knew she was living in the house with him the cops came in i believe either him or

02:01:14.660 somebody in the house fired the cops the cops fired back she was killed in the cross damn mr baseman

02:01:20.340 donated two hundred dollars thank you man andrew thank you and god bless you for confronting evil

02:01:26.260 with truth please give this woman a specific call to action to stop this behavior apologize to this guy

02:01:33.860 and get him mental help repent yo mr baseman thank you for the tts do you want to respond

02:01:41.620 to that or i don't know into the mic if you are it's already in the works all right uh deborah your

02:01:52.900 relationship status i am single all right my last relationship ended in may and looking for a nice

02:02:00.020 jewish man all right cool uh longest relationship a little bit under two years two years who broke up

02:02:06.020 with who it was a pretty mutual situation he was not mentally well and you made him sleep at the uh

02:02:13.220 on the floor no at the edge of the bed once when we had a twin bed he fell off but aside from that um

02:02:19.300 no he just wasn't really in a mentally healthy place and to me i didn't think it was fair to continue to

02:02:25.220 try and like drag a guy along i want a man who is extremely self-sufficient and a leader and not a

02:02:30.740 case that i have to take care of uh and i mean you're fairly successful in your own right when it

02:02:36.980 comes to your career uh so do you need i assume you need like a guy to kind of match you or exceed

02:02:46.180 question mark yeah i was like waiting to see where that was going um it's funny because a lot of people

02:02:51.060 who try setting me up they're like i have this guy he's super obsessed with politics i'm like

02:02:55.060 that's what i do i don't need a match who's like obsessed with politics or does the same thing but

02:02:59.780 the biggest thing for me is my career is i'm very passionate about it it's not only my career it's my

02:03:04.580 passion i love every second of what i do truly and a person who's not passionate is extremely

02:03:10.420 unattractive to me so they can have a corporate job doing what they have to do but then as long as

02:03:15.300 they have some passion and something that they genuinely love and care about that's a good place to

02:03:19.380 start but i do i'm learning as i get older i need somebody who's incredibly intelligent because

02:03:24.660 being intellectually stimulated for me i need that in a relationship i could not marry somebody that i

02:03:28.980 can't have deep theological conversations with or talk about law or talk about things so to i just keep

02:03:36.820 making the and i'm five foot nine so those circles a little bit small i'm not sapiosexual because so i'm

02:03:41.860 completely attracted to what does that mean sapiosexual sapiosexual it means you're it means

02:03:46.900 you're attracted to men that are intelligent or intelligence in general i think it's just good

02:03:50.740 taste have you iq tested any of your previous like boyfriends or anything no well the last one

02:03:56.340 like the only one he was smart but he was like had like um have you ever dated a guy who like when

02:04:02.340 he's reading he's reading a book he has to like follow with his finger oh no you know them yeah yeah

02:04:09.460 i haven't dated one of those i think i don't think i would sometimes i do that on menus i can't lie

02:04:15.780 on menus i just got to make sure the ingredients are for which dish you know yep um but so uh

02:04:22.900 would you date a guy who you said you got to date a guy who's passionate right would you date a guy

02:04:26.980 who's passionate about anarcho-capitalism in girl language please

02:04:32.340 uh aren't you you uh you don't you have a degree in political science yeah we did not learn about

02:04:39.620 anarcho-capitalism yeah anarcho anarcho-capitalism it's like it's the idea of of let's say fair

02:04:46.260 capitalism i believe it's like kind of liberty not it's not libertarian but it's like it is

02:04:52.100 libertarian well but it's different than libertarian though no i mean it's it's a pinnacle of most

02:04:58.340 libertarian beliefs uh some sort of anarcho-capitalism the idea that the market is never regulated or

02:05:03.220 restrained uh because goods will reduce in pricing if you don't do that so when you date somebody who's

02:05:10.340 passionate about anarcho-capitalism i mean that just sounds like a weirdo honestly um i was thinking

02:05:17.620 more like cars or music or what if they're really passionate about his own business harris 2028 um i

02:05:26.820 unfortunately don't think that would work because i only date um men who are masculine and i've never

02:05:32.260 heard of a masculine man who voted for camel toe what about like arnold schwarzenegger though he uh

02:05:37.380 camelot got the endorsement like would you date like young arnold and would he still be a kamala

02:05:45.220 supporter get to the chat yeah i would never did anybody who voted for kamala harris or joe biden

02:05:49.300 for that matter because i think it means they have horrible judgment yes they do and i also

02:05:53.220 think that to have a strong they have a common sense basically you need to have ideological

02:05:57.620 similarities and have the same values you forgot your hat this matches my top perfect thank you

02:06:04.180 i needed this would you guys who here would date a trump supporter going around the table

02:06:09.140 um i don't i would not i don't mind is your boyfriend uh i'm not he doesn't have is he maga okay

02:06:19.700 yes i would yeah is your boyfriend maga or not really could i have you just scoot your mic that

02:06:27.860 way a little bit what about you would you date a trump supporter um i'm not too into politics so so

02:06:34.740 yes i guess if he doesn't inflict his views on me he doesn't flex he inflicts there's a lot of

02:06:40.340 inflection we don't need no controlling partner yeah okay all right what about you 100 100 okay did

02:06:49.140 you vote for um kanye or who do you vote for you seem like a kanye voter no i'm a hundred percent

02:06:54.340 i love trump all the way yeah thanks sir uh what about you are you a trumpy or i don't know i'm like

02:07:03.940 a libertarian i'm i'm dating someone that's very very very you're an anarcho-capitalist i guess so

02:07:11.220 you're dating somebody who's very what liberal you're like wait you're dating why would you do that

02:07:15.700 it's just you know we met in 2010 he yeah you go right into the mic right in the mic yeah you're a

02:07:22.180 little quiet so we need you like right on the mic sorry yeah i don't know all we all he does is

02:07:26.260 talk about politics to be honest so i kind of keep quiet oh based okay there you go did you vote did

02:07:34.500 you vote too or i wasn't registered i just moved to california oh okay all right all right um which is

02:07:41.700 also fine you didn't you didn't vote right i didn't so if you so yeah so if you didn't vote then

02:07:48.100 you didn't nullify the vote of any of the good trump supporters so i mean did good you did good

02:07:51.940 thing all right and uh so in any case uh i've been single for six months uh any prospects though are

02:07:58.820 any guys kind of in the picture oh for me yeah for you deborah honestly no i mean there may be people

02:08:04.420 that i know that i think are whatever you said before that i think could be good men but i'm a big

02:08:09.940 believer and i don't know if it's just me this might be like a popular thing but i don't really

02:08:13.780 waste my time and unless like the person i'm meant to be with is a very specific kind of person that

02:08:18.740 wouldn't just fit any box they would fit my box and i can usually tell that even before i go on a

02:08:23.460 date with them so unless they're really somebody truly special that i can really see myself

02:08:28.180 marrying and building a life with like i'm i'm really only dating for that okay um would you date matt

02:08:34.500 gates absolutely not are there any are there any politicians why why not why wouldn't you date matt

02:08:41.380 gates is he well he's married yeah that's first off okay um just i don't know who you got you got

02:08:51.940 you got like your eye on anybody or in like you know in the political sphere well being jew that's

02:08:57.940 another thing like i can only marry somebody who's jewish and i wish there was more you know conservative

02:09:02.340 jews that's in judaism you can only marry another jew it's just like part of judaism well i mean it

02:09:08.740 depends if is it religious are you saying it's from the religious perspective or from the ethnic

02:09:13.700 perspective because my understanding is from the ethnic perspective it is from the ethnic

02:09:17.300 jewish women are the most likely in fact to uh marry outside of uh of other jews well there has been

02:09:25.060 the biggest thing is that the majority of jews are reform which means that they don't observe much

02:09:30.340 of judaism they're jewish ethnically but it's a race religion ethnicity everything so for me i i was

02:09:35.620 raised modern orthodox which is pretty religious i yep you know love shabbat kosher everything like

02:09:40.260 that so you're so you're practicing yes i'm pretty religious so therefore i need a husband who can

02:09:45.940 wrap to fill in every morning take the kids to yeshiva would you ever convert to christianity i

02:09:51.220 would never i love being so you wouldn't date so you wouldn't date uh any christians then i wouldn't

02:09:56.820 date them to marry them but i do have a soft spot in my heart for christian men i love them i don't know

02:10:02.100 why they're just really like tall around with them but you wouldn't marry one well wait what was the

02:10:07.380 question you'd like mess around with one but you wouldn't know like maybe i'd flirt with one here

02:10:12.820 and there but i wouldn't like seriously date them because again for me it's about marriage and i'm

02:10:18.020 sure being busy a lot of guys experiences and women too but i have so much going on at all times

02:10:24.100 that for me the time that i have to put towards somebody else i want to make sure that they're really

02:10:27.540 worth it and i just i it's pretty easy for me to tell right away within like the first even few

02:10:32.260 minutes of meeting somebody if i would ever want to date them because i'm not looking for a man i'm

02:10:36.340 looking for a husband a leader provider in not just a financial sense but like in every sense of like

02:10:41.940 a true biblical man and he hasn't come around there's not a lot of um like the the idea here of

02:10:50.660 of practicing practice even practicing orthodox views are mostly progressives in the united states

02:10:55.780 yeah it's about two to three percent who are orthodox modern orthodox with about 98 being

02:11:01.060 liberal it makes it even yeah yeah i yeah i understand that now you have a dual citizenship

02:11:06.020 you thought about an israeli husband i do not have dual citizenship i don't know why you would think

02:11:09.460 that i did i'm sorry i thought i'd read that in the last super chat that you had dual citizenship oh

02:11:14.340 well that's probably a troll a lot of people love to say because i'm jewish and american that i

02:11:18.340 have dual loyalties to israel but i am only an american citizen um i only have his american

02:11:23.860 citizenship but i do love israeli men i'm sorry i wasn't trying to make an i don't think it was

02:11:27.620 a nefarious question i think you just read whatever but i do love israeli men i think

02:11:31.540 they're great i would marry an israeli absolutely okay all right and uh let's see here we do have a

02:11:38.340 chat from lucas what weirdo literally uh javier melee calls himself an anarcho-capitalist often

02:11:49.140 attributed to austrian school of economics murray and roth roth bard but dudes like michael malice

02:11:55.220 dave smith love the concept i debated dave smith on piers morgan's show if that's the representation

02:12:00.100 of anarcho-capitalism then i very much would never date somebody because everything he said he was

02:12:05.220 like the iranian people they hate israel like the iranian people have been oppressed by an islamic

02:12:10.420 regime women can't talk anymore they were on the beaches 40 years ago the iranian people do not support

02:12:15.620 jihad they want freedom and he's like oh yeah you're probably right we can't we can't dive in

02:12:20.980 uh to this topic no i'm not diving in i'm just was giving the example of dave just completely

02:12:25.860 switching his opinion in that moment um but i do know dave smith uh pretty well i've debated with him

02:12:32.100 myself uh this was christian ethics versus libertarianism um i you are you saying you beat

02:12:39.300 dave smith in a debate no it wasn't a beat i said that was a representation of an anarcho-capitalist

02:12:44.180 then absolutely not i wouldn't date them because it seems that they don't really have a backbone but

02:12:48.980 bless his heart yeah i mean he's a real smart guy as far as i know all right cool uh we have a chat

02:12:56.260 here from the great stifler ask everyone we have to you know what we're going to wait until uh we have

02:13:03.540 the full panel here so we'll come right back to that one but getting back into some of the notes i'm going

02:13:08.980 to try to finish the notes then we'll get into the questionnaires so uh let's see we have gina

02:13:17.300 gina yeah uh you've only dated two men in your entire life yeah we went over that um you're super

02:13:23.380 territorial and jealous wait what right just super territorial and jealous no no no no oh the men were

02:13:30.660 yeah the men you dated yeah like my yeah yeah my my ex i guess i see wait we should play prank on your

02:13:36.980 friend you take her seat and then she i just want you want to take her seat really i'm just curious

02:13:41.460 me yeah like take her seat why i don't know just do it do a little switcheroo okay uh you also said

02:13:48.900 modern dating is not really your cup of tea like meeting people online or through messages is kind

02:13:52.900 of weird granted you've been in two kind of back-to-back yeah long-term relationships right

02:13:58.100 so let's see uh you also like you you wanted to speak on hookup culture you had opinions on only

02:14:04.660 fans opinions on sneaky links lol if you can just scoot to the table a little more but yeah go ahead

02:14:11.540 so what's the question like oh i mean so your opinion on only fans is anybody wait you're the

02:14:16.740 only one that does of right i don't actually do i just post pictures you're too far just reminder you

02:14:21.140 you gotta you gotta be i don't post anything to the table you gotta speak into the mic um nobody

02:14:25.700 else here does only fans no i do something called sex panther ever ever ever okay you do sex work

02:14:30.980 though right yeah yeah okay um what's your opinion on only fans oh no you you guys asked me like what

02:14:36.660 type of topics that's like the topics i chose i don't really have tilt the mic down just a little

02:14:40.340 bit yeah i don't really have any like opinions i just wanted to like you know that was just like

02:14:44.340 a topic i threw up there okay uh all right then i guess moving on to cali cali over here uh

02:14:51.220 you're we already talked about the professional hot girl shapeshifter uh you said you've practiced

02:14:57.300 non-monogamy for years you have lots of unique dating experiences and stories more so recently

02:15:02.020 since being separated and dating as single instead of married uh you experience men trying to jump

02:15:07.540 right into a relationship with you after even the first or second date and and you think that this

02:15:13.380 is really strange i do have a question for you on this um so what would you prefer then

02:15:20.420 like they just keep you in the situation ship for six months while fucking three other women

02:15:25.860 i mean i like taking the time to get to know someone especially because i have a child

02:15:30.100 in the picture i feel like it's really important for me to fully vet someone before

02:15:34.020 investing myself in them and my daughter's life um so it's really important to me to take my time to

02:15:39.860 get to know someone and i think it's weird if they just want to like jump right into a relationship

02:15:44.660 with me because it just seems like they just want to own me they don't really care about getting to

02:15:48.660 know me they don't care about knowing if we're compatible i don't know what they bring to the

02:15:51.700 table for me and my daughter so can you just tilt your mic down just a bit so um but wouldn't this be

02:15:56.740 difficult to begin with because you're polyamorous right so i mean that's kind of off the table right

02:16:01.300 what do you mean well i mean like they want to be um well i guess they could jump right into a

02:16:08.100 polyamorous relationship with you right right but i mean i'm not totally sure like

02:16:15.380 what is the difference between dating somebody and being in a poly like like just what's the

02:16:23.140 what changes once you become in a relationship you know there's boundaries and expectations like

02:16:28.740 any relationship only difference is you have that to multiple yeah but i could have boundaries

02:16:33.700 on the second date with somebody when have you ever done that i do it all the time how give me

02:16:40.820 examples what do you mean i just say things things like okay i don't want you to date other people

02:16:46.420 right on the second date yeah yeah sure even on the first date even before i meet them

02:16:51.700 well i know this is funny to you because uh okay i'm not gonna well i know this is funny to you but

02:16:58.900 uh yeah that's really interesting why is that interesting i mean i just i disagree um sure that's

02:17:06.900 fine you know i have um a child in the picture and i learned a lot from my previous marriage um what i

02:17:14.100 don't want in a partner and i want to make sure that doesn't happen to me again sure um and i feel like

02:17:18.340 you know maybe the problem with that was um you know we rushed right into a relationship without

02:17:24.420 really taking the time to get to know each other um and i regret that you know i love my daughter i

02:17:29.780 don't regret her for one second she's one of the best things that's ever happened to me but um yeah

02:17:34.580 i really want to take my time getting to know people and i also i feel like i just have a very

02:17:38.100 relaxed approach to dating like i'm like i'm down to get to know you and see where it goes um

02:17:44.500 but yeah uh yeah i'll give you a quick example though at least for me so if i got on a first

02:17:48.900 date with a girl for example and i'm interested in pursuing her like an immediate boundary i'd put

02:17:53.540 down is if you want a second date there can't be other men in the picture you gotta have no roster

02:17:58.900 right basically how do you know that from the first date well i mean i would even before meeting her

02:18:05.620 i might like i might ask are there other men in the picture are you dating other men and if there

02:18:10.260 are i'm very unlikely to even go on the date well that's interesting why is that i mean i'm just i'm

02:18:17.060 not monogamous and i haven't ever been so i guess i don't really understand but what's it's just not

02:18:22.660 how my brain works well i mean i know it's not what you do but like certainly you could understand that

02:18:27.860 for example for somebody who's inclined towards monogamy uh the idea of for example having sex with

02:18:32.820 somebody while they're having sex with someone else might be disgusting

02:18:35.620 yeah for me i mean you know everyone's entitled to their opinion well i don't think it's opinion i

02:18:43.540 actually do think it's a fact for two people to be simultaneous like it's like a standard in insofar

02:18:48.500 as like the std risk i mean stds are disgusting yeah so i mean that's actually like a boundary of

02:18:54.420 mine is i don't hook up with someone or i'm not you know sexually involved with them unless we've

02:18:59.140 both been tested and they show that to me so that was always parameters that's always been your

02:19:04.180 standard that's always been the case you've never had a spontaneous sexual encounter no you've never

02:19:08.980 had a no not not since you know i mean the past five years into now okay what about before then i

02:19:15.620 mean when i was younger you've had spontaneous sexual encounters that did not it was it was

02:19:19.300 different let's go get an std test but you have had them right i'm not it's not a knock people do it

02:19:26.660 all the time but you have had spontaneous yeah but like we're talking about right now so i'm not

02:19:30.980 really sure why that matters sure well i'm happy to engage with you even when it comes to your

02:19:36.100 current standard um so even if you have an std test there could be a false negative there could

02:19:41.140 be a false positive certain things might not come up on the std test also most people aren't taking

02:19:46.020 full panel std tests they might do like gonorrhea chlamydia i'm aware huh i'm aware yeah like they're

02:19:51.540 not really like i'm pretty sure like if you go to your doctor like hey can i get an std test they're not

02:19:56.740 checking for hpv they're not checking for herpes sometimes these things don't even show up on the

02:20:00.740 std test frankly like the stds you ought to be concerned about are the permanent ones hpv

02:20:06.500 uh herpes hsv so um these are not typically tested for although like chlamydia and gonorrhea that would

02:20:14.260 suck to get i mean these are treatable they're curable that's typically what they're testing for

02:20:18.420 they're typically not going to test for like really the major one which is like going to be herpes

02:20:22.740 i mean i agree with you hpv is the one that causes cervical cervical cancer in women i know a lot of

02:20:28.340 women get the uh the the jab for that one but um it still doesn't necessarily it it reduces your risk

02:20:35.220 of getting cervical cancer uh but in in any case um i'm not sure if like the the std test is going to

02:20:44.180 be like a hundred full proof plan for protecting you from stds and if you're like engaging in sexual

02:20:48.980 conduct with like multiple multiple people it like does increase your risk of std so that's why

02:20:54.020 it's disgusting just use condoms yeah i mean well if you ask someone to get a test and a full panel

02:20:59.620 which i'm full aware of i mean i'm not disagreeing with what you're saying yeah you know like most

02:21:04.420 panels that people to get don't include that unless you specifically ask for it it's a blood test of

02:21:08.980 course it's different i'm aware of that i'm not disagreeing with you but um yeah i mean you know and

02:21:15.300 use protection on top of that so i mean even if you use protection though like i mean herpes the big

02:21:21.860 one like it can be on other parts of the pubic private area yeah i mean my mom has it and my best

02:21:31.060 friend has it so i'm very aware of what it is and you know yeah indications and how it's transmissed

02:21:37.860 and how it affects people in their life something i'm very aware of so i practice safe sex always how

02:21:43.620 can you i mean when it comes to herpes how can you practice safe sex you ask for a test you know

02:21:49.060 i know but like wearing a condom is not going to prevent you from getting herpes so if they have

02:21:56.100 a rash you would be able to see that you know and it could be uh pre-symptomatic or in their mouth

02:22:02.020 i mean it's more likely to be transmissed if they have that's why i don't suck rash it's disgusting

02:22:06.980 yeah yeah but like in i mean i'm not really sure why my sex life is interesting to you

02:22:14.260 can we talk about something else i mean it's can you stop sexualizing me how am i sexualizing

02:22:19.300 you asking about my sex life how would that be sexualizing you you're on the dating podcast to

02:22:24.580 talk about dating related topics i said i'm happy to talk about other things this just seems like

02:22:29.140 a weird topic how's it how's a weird topic i just feel like this is really what you want to talk about

02:22:35.220 you know i've said my stance you just i am okay then go ahead keep talking anything else you'd like to

02:22:41.700 i mean you were so you were asking me the the genesis of this conversation was you asked me

02:22:47.620 hey uh this is not how i operate in my relationships and then i was like giving you an

02:22:52.900 example of oh it's a wrap i don't like if i you want a second date with me you can't be seeing other

02:22:59.380 men and one of the reasons for this and i have a couple reasons but one of the main reasons is uh if

02:23:04.660 she's sleeping with another guy there's a higher risk of getting an std and it's even if even if

02:23:11.060 she's sleeping with a man she doesn't have an std he doesn't have an std it's still the thought of

02:23:16.180 it is disgusting i mean you're entitled to your opinion well again i don't think it's an opinion

02:23:20.660 i just think it's fact like the idea of another man's semen being inside her and then i'm that's

02:23:25.860 disgusting it's a really weird way to look at it buddy i mean how why is it weird i mean she's your

02:23:31.620 object you own her after did i say that with her no but i mean it's like implying that okay she's

02:23:37.220 mine i want to be the only penis yes yes yes yes same thing if you want to call that controlling that

02:23:46.020 i don't want my girl like the girl i'm dating i don't want her to other men if you want to call

02:23:50.820 that controlling then i'm controlling like i personally wouldn't want my boyfriend

02:23:56.340 that's your opinion you asked my how's that controlling how's that controlling though i don't

02:24:00.100 understand that's my opinion to me and the way i live my life is different and that's okay

02:24:05.860 we can agree to disagree baby girl that person is gross too i think it's gross too see there we go

02:24:10.580 cosine from a woman yeah because i would hate for my boyfriend to be fucking random bitches raw and

02:24:15.300 then coming home and fucking me and that's disgusting i don't want to take somebody else

02:24:19.540 and then in me afterwards like the fuck sorry this is i just can't do that um okay i'm monogamous

02:24:24.660 count underscore matthew underscore to underscore underscore to a donated two hundred dollars

02:24:32.900 shalom shalom deborah i love you brian andrew i stand in battle with you to the worst i rebuke you

02:24:39.860 in the name of the god of abraham isaac and jacob search no law is higher than truth good night

02:24:46.580 yo uh count matthew thank you for the uh tts man really appreciate it yeah i wasn't trying to attack

02:24:52.980 you but you were just asking like why i might even after a first date already start being like

02:25:00.660 don't want you seeing other men that's one of the reasons and also i want a woman's uh

02:25:07.380 exclusive romantic and sexual attention immediately like as soon as possible i think that's how dating

02:25:14.100 should always be personally i think it's the best way and i've said this my whole life my

02:25:18.340 last relationship we started officially dating after two weeks after we met and i think that's

02:25:22.980 and that we only broke up a few months later because in that time we really got to know each

02:25:27.060 other see if it was compatible or not really give it a best shot to see if we could fall in love and

02:25:30.820 ultimately decided it just wasn't a perfect match and i think modern day where you're dating a bunch of

02:25:35.060 people and you're having all these partners and you just really don't give that opportunity to see if

02:25:38.980 you can really fall in love that leads to a lot of premature breakups or problems and personally

02:25:44.820 not even sex i would never like i don't like going out with people who are going out with other

02:25:49.140 people because yeah it's just a sign of lack of seriousness if you have five people on your list

02:25:53.940 you're not giving that same level of attention and while i totally agree it's so important to like

02:25:57.860 really who your partner is going to be who your husband's going to be is like the most important

02:26:02.260 decision a woman can make in her whole life nobody should take that lightly like we should definitely

02:26:06.180 all do expert research find out if they're just for sure make sure they don't want to bark like a

02:26:11.220 dog first off but aside from that i really i understand that but i also think for me as a

02:26:16.020 monogamous person that just icks me out too like why would i want to go out with somebody who's taking

02:26:20.420 20 other girls out he clearly doesn't care that much about me and i know a lot of girls who go on

02:26:24.980 like multiple dates in one day and i always say to them like how can you even really give your full

02:26:30.180 energy attention and really think about what do i like about this guy because you know if one little

02:26:35.060 thing doesn't go right instead of really thinking like oh maybe it was a weird fluke or maybe i have

02:26:40.180 to learn more about this you're like whatever i have another date later today so i wish everybody

02:26:43.860 would be monogamous i think hinge and social media and all these dating apps have encouraged people to

02:26:48.420 not be monogamous they've done the opposite effect where people think they have unlimited options they

02:26:52.500 can just swipe through oh my girlfriend dummy that's fine i can literally get any random girl to have

02:26:56.660 sex with off my phone i don't even have to leave my house i can uber her over here and i think it's one of

02:27:00.900 the worst things to ever happen to modern relationships and the marriage rates and the

02:27:04.580 level of children and everything like that has reflected that that is truth and i mean and the

02:27:09.780 cities rates goes up hold up but so and i mean that's a that's a great point deborah and this was

02:27:15.060 pretty much the standard up until about maybe like 20 years ago i think this is how most people

02:27:21.780 moved it was like okay you kind of date one person at a time if it works great if it doesn't

02:27:25.940 next one now people are like yeah i mean now people are uh you know well what about

02:27:30.580 having platonic friends like how's that how's that relevant to the conversation it's not well

02:27:34.900 if it's not romantic like you said that a woman shouldn't have any any guys in their life is i

02:27:40.980 didn't say that okay well but i mean it is a separate conversation i typically would prefer a woman to

02:27:47.220 not have a bunch of male friends yeah um well i don't think it's necessarily a deal breaker but

02:27:54.580 i mean obviously she cannot be like friends with her ex-boyfriend you have to be like uh what's

02:28:00.820 what's the term like uh no contact no contact with with like prior sexual partners okay yeah that is

02:28:08.340 but what about if she has like a baby daddy and the guy's okay dating her but they can't really connect

02:28:13.060 cut that core but they don't really want to be like close to the baby daddy can you speak straight

02:28:17.300 into the mic they don't want to be close to baby daddy but they they still have to have that connection

02:28:21.140 due to a well i mean yeah in that case you're forced but i mean uh i think where's the boundary

02:28:26.180 doesn't mean brian married her uh i mean i i think there are like typically generally there's there are

02:28:32.900 like women who are single moms who are fantastic or whatever who would make good partners but

02:28:37.540 generally speaking i think if you're a single guy you don't have children i do think it's going to be a

02:28:42.740 sub-optimal dating choice if you have other options to date a single mom but look there's uh

02:28:49.380 single moms out there who are wonderful but oftentimes a lot of men have reported to me

02:28:53.300 and my own experiences uh typically these are these relationships are a little more difficult

02:28:58.260 there's other concerns there the like you said the you have to like consider okay what are they

02:29:04.740 well and single moms say it too right brian i mean single moms themselves report that these are these

02:29:10.020 are tougher relationships right and that the recommendation uh that if you're going to get

02:29:14.980 into something like that it's going to be it's it's going to be tough right yeah it's going to be

02:29:18.900 tough i mean uh both sides know that that's the case yeah anytime children are involved i think it

02:29:24.900 just makes it adds an extra layer there yeah of course someone said it's like dating two people but

02:29:30.260 not actually dating a child it's just like getting to know two different people and do different

02:29:33.940 personalities and yeah um but uh yeah i mean if uh if i'm interested in a girl i mean obviously the context in

02:29:43.700 which we meet is gonna matter but i mean i would probably like vet them before i even go on the

02:29:49.220 first date to see if it's even worth my time like i know it's maybe some people are like oh kind of

02:29:55.060 whimsical about it they don't really care i'll go on this date whatever for me i will actually do

02:29:59.700 quite a bit of vetting before i even want to meet up with them i'm gonna ask them a bunch of questions

02:30:04.020 some people might think oh this is like autistic or whatever but whatever i don't care like i'm just

02:30:09.060 gonna maximize my time i'm i it's not worth it for me to go on a date with somebody and then get

02:30:13.860 on the date and it's like oh okay well our values are totally mismatched here i'm say i'm gonna save

02:30:19.060 you time save myself time by figuring these things out before we even meet in person um if she's like

02:30:24.500 dating three other men even if she's not having sex with them not interested if she's having sex with

02:30:29.540 one guy not interested total deal deal breaker just goodbye i have a question for you where do you

02:30:35.620 meet most of these women because i think it matters if it's somebody that you're meeting either

02:30:40.180 online or a random person versus like being set up by somebody that you have mutual friends with and

02:30:44.660 stuff like you can already know like where do you meet the most honestly when everybody decides the

02:30:48.820 relationship girls to answer that like where do you meet girls brian uh well so there's like there's uh

02:30:55.380 we're putting brian on the spot today i mean there's post podcast pre-podcast uh and i mean a lot

02:31:02.500 of my experiences have been informed by my like pre-podcast dating experiences where like i was

02:31:07.700 on dating apps and all this stuff and i remember one time for example i was on a date with this girl

02:31:13.060 and i met her on hinge she had just downloaded the app and then it was like within a week i was

02:31:19.300 on a date with her and she told me oh yeah i've already been on three dates i'm dating and i have

02:31:22.660 like five dates scheduled for next week i'm like okay thank you for telling me that it was nice meeting

02:31:27.220 you but not interested um so i've had a lot of experiences there uh post podcast it's mostly

02:31:34.180 been women contacting me that's like a way superior position to like if somebody's trying to get at you

02:31:40.180 it's just like a much better position to be in so yeah that's probably most not most men's experiences

02:31:45.940 but um in that situation it's actually exceptionally easily easy to vet and like you can basically bust out

02:31:52.900 the girlfriend application and be like answer this i don't there's not there's not a girlfriend

02:31:56.900 application but it's like if somebody's coming to you you can be like really selective and be like

02:32:01.380 okay let me ask you like a million questions and so forth but if you're on a dating app aren't you like

02:32:06.900 expected for all the women on there to have like a whole roster basically because that's what it's for

02:32:11.940 yeah i mean if you're on the dating app definitely you have to have like most of the women on there

02:32:16.900 probably are dating multiple men yeah there's a good chance they're probably fucking at least one

02:32:20.900 other dude uh i was on the dating apps for a while uh so yeah yep so i hate dating apps i don't like

02:32:33.540 them it's hard for me to like kind of speak on this but i mean i think you there are good women on on

02:32:40.020 the dating apps but it's like you got to kind of shift through it's like diamonds in the rough or

02:32:44.660 whatever well i said you wouldn't date a woman who has like multiple dates yeah but that's kind

02:32:50.500 of like what it what the app is for to get like multiple dates well i mean you can be on the dating

02:32:55.540 apps and like not trying to like squeeze in seven days a week there are women on the dating apps who

02:33:01.540 are a bit more selective and you know you can find that girl who's like not just like jumping at every

02:33:07.140 single date uh but i would say the majority of the women on the dating apps probably like dating

02:33:14.180 multiple guys probably the majority of the men though on dating apps started specifically looking

02:33:18.100 for hookups and that's why i don't like dating apps because they're not trying to look especially like

02:33:21.700 hinge it was the only dating app that i've said i would download and i tried it out and i'd find

02:33:25.620 some good guys there that weren't only looking for sex but the majority of them was like oh you want

02:33:29.540 to um can i come over can you come over i'm just like you haven't said hi to me bro like and

02:33:33.460 you're already expecting sex for me donated two hundred dollars and 69 cents thanks brixton and

02:33:39.860 andrew for god's work i need beddy buys really hope i wake up to see that chair one cruella deville

02:33:46.820 304 and six norman bates 304 rage quit good luck boys godspeed oh seven yeah lord jesus thank you for

02:33:58.580 the uh tts man really appreciate it uh okay once uh huh uh you can no it's okay um let's see where

02:34:07.940 were we we're talking oh we're getting into your notes um you said your hot take on dating is that

02:34:12.980 most men date for sports you believe for the feeling of obtaining a woman and the gratification of that

02:34:18.580 but not necessarily dating for getting to know someone or being chill about that yeah i mean that's

02:34:23.860 just my experience with someone wanting to jump right into a relationship without taking the time to get

02:34:28.500 to know me you know after the first date i feel like to men they see women as a trophy to obtain

02:34:34.020 you know and then once they get you that's it they don't have to continue putting in the work i mean

02:34:37.700 that was my experience in my five-year marriage you know certified lever i'm really uh and you're

02:34:45.380 currently like you're so you're poly you're in you do the open relationship thing um how many people

02:34:50.580 are you currently dating i'm not dating anyone i'm focusing on getting divorced i'm focusing on getting

02:34:55.780 my life together yeah but are you like uh okay how about like casual sex then i don't have casual

02:35:00.260 sex with anyone uh semi-serious sex no are there any guys in the picture in any romantic capacity or

02:35:07.540 sexual capacity whatsoever no oh okay all right uh so you're celibate for a period you've been celibate

02:35:16.820 for four months um i mean i definitely have hooked up with someone that i was seeing for a couple months

02:35:25.940 um but it was not great um yeah so okay haven't seen anyone since then how many um at any one given

02:35:36.420 time what's the most amount of men that you've been seeing in some capacity

02:35:40.500 oh your uh you date women too so i suppose yeah i mean the most partners like for me that's that i

02:35:49.860 max out at is three like three partners romantically involved with dating and relationships with and

02:35:56.500 that's it for me i mean i'm not like someone who just needs a bunch of partners or needs a bunch of

02:36:02.500 attention i mean i don't go on a bunch of dates i don't have time to do that so when i do i mean it's

02:36:08.260 you know something i care about and it's something i take very seriously um but right now i mean for

02:36:14.340 me it's just very casual and i explain that you know i'm open to healthy connection and experiences

02:36:20.180 so i'm down to go like hang out with people and go on walks and go on picnics and you know go on hikes

02:36:26.260 but i'm not interested in dating anyone right now or being in a relationship

02:36:31.780 okay um and let me see here

02:36:38.260 sorry there's a couple things going on behind the scenes um let's see i don't know how people

02:36:44.340 have enough like time in their day to be in a relationship with three different people i feel

02:36:48.020 like one boyfriend is a full-time job plus having a child i don't understand how people do that

02:36:54.020 yeah well when i left my husband i also broke up with the other partners i had because i realized

02:36:58.740 like i really need to focus on my life and her life and you know figuring out what that looks like

02:37:03.220 for us so um yeah i mean i identify as polyamorous but you know i'm single and i'm also like open to

02:37:09.700 talking to people and getting to know people but um i'm not trying to be in a relationship right now

02:37:14.500 but i enjoy getting to know people you know and being

02:37:19.620 sure uh and you said you are you're bi pan queer and you have better luck with queer people when it

02:37:24.980 comes to dating casually yeah are you and are you so you're a pan so you'll date uh you'll date men

02:37:30.340 you'll date women you'll date trans men you'll date trans women do i have that correct correct and

02:37:34.900 non-binary and non-binary okay uh so they thems more love babies shout out to my babes they what is

02:37:42.660 they babes like they babes what's that like like a babe but a they them babe so a babe

02:37:49.460 all right i think ali taught us that last time ali is a certified certified seven baddie

02:37:57.060 i think certified babes title yeah so uh i do i did want to ask you and i uh

02:38:06.180 well since it's since the topics already come up um although you didn't you didn't seem to disagree

02:38:11.140 on this one callie right yeah um it's not wrong to not want to date a trans person i mean i think

02:38:19.060 everyone's entitled to their opinions and if you're not you know attracted to a queer person

02:38:25.220 or their you know gender identity that's fine and that's your choice okay all right because we have

02:38:30.900 had some people on the show who say well it would be uh discriminatory or transphobic or wrong to

02:38:37.060 refuse to date somebody because they're trans i think it's technically still queer in my opinion

02:38:42.420 wait what do you mean like i think you know if you're with a trans person i think you identify as

02:38:48.340 queer yes yeah but that's not straight but i don't i don't really understand that aspect of it because

02:38:55.460 you clearly you can be a trans person and be heterosexual so so because that's it doesn't

02:39:00.580 that actually defeat the meaning of lgbtq which is the idea of same-sex relationships right

02:39:09.060 i mean i'm honoring their gender identity you know but i think even that can be even if you did the

02:39:15.140 gender identity thing you would still have to consider that to be heterosexual if it was if they

02:39:20.340 were if they both identified as opposite genders right so if that's the case i still don't i even

02:39:25.620 even granting that i still don't understand how it's actually how they actually go under the umbrella of

02:39:30.020 lgbtq yeah i mean you just asked my opinion that's your opinion yeah but that's that's what i'm asking

02:39:44.580 okay um so wait uh and i i think you didn't even disagree on this one but just want to double check

02:39:52.180 uh it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman you you agree with that i think it's queer

02:40:01.380 in my opinion she agrees okay she yes all right okay let me see here if we have anybody who we did have

02:40:10.820 emily you disagreed on that one wait what what was even the yeah so it was the statement was that you

02:40:19.060 disagreed on it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman yeah i don't think it's straight i

02:40:25.540 also think it's queer you you circled that you disagreed

02:40:32.340 but you agree yes that is not straight oh sugar is big gay okay i think i circled that to maybe because

02:40:40.820 i do agree on is it is gay to date a person as trans i think we say queer queer oh sorry it's okay

02:40:47.300 wait why would it be queer i thought you said we don't say that word on here oh no you can't i

02:40:53.780 mean well again if you're using it as an insult yeah if it's like an insult yeah oh no it was just

02:41:00.020 in the disclaimer of words we don't say no it's fine like respect for my transgender buddies always

02:41:04.500 okay all right uh let's see here we do have uh we are going to uh get to stifler's question then

02:41:12.340 ask everyone to rate their own looks uh on a scale of one to ten you want to take that one uh

02:41:21.300 all right uh everyone rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten starting with you go ahead

02:41:26.420 i think i'm a solid eight okay in my opinion what about you like in my opinion yeah your looks on a

02:41:32.660 scale of one to ten like nine okay what about you it's like a nine to nine nine point ten seven

02:41:41.620 eight seven i'm a ten baby oh seven all right deborah i like to think somewhere between seven

02:41:51.540 and a half and eight all right i get myself ten stay humble you know always room to grow get skinnier

02:41:56.340 yes exactly very true all right once i get this nose job watch out i give myself a five andrew what

02:42:03.620 about you well i mean with all the nines in the room i couldn't be anything less than ten

02:42:11.780 wait why why is that funny why are you laughing you guys don't think so no you're handsome yeah see

02:42:18.260 that's it there you go and then um all right and then i guess related to this question we do have

02:42:28.900 do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time so you're 26 will you be better looking at 36

02:42:34.660 yes because hopefully a lot less stress i'm gonna age backwards like benjamin button okay what about 20

02:42:40.100 years time 46 yes definitely i mean i take really good care of myself i work out all the time you know

02:42:46.500 i have vitamins supplements um super greens super reds magnesium i mean really everything you can

02:42:52.420 think of so um yeah 30 years time 56 yeah i'm gonna be hot uh 40 years time 66 i mean i'll think i'll be

02:43:02.100 maybe like a beautiful older woman like audrey hepburn uh 50 years time 76 i mean hopefully my legs still work

02:43:11.380 so okay the just a reminder the question is will you be do you think you'll be more attractive oh

02:43:21.060 more attractive 10 years 20 years 30 years like oh like compared to now um yeah so your 76 year old

02:43:27.300 self is going to be more hot i'm sorry i didn't understand the question okay it's okay um no i mean i

02:43:33.780 think you know probably 10 years from now i'll be really hot and then i'll just more hot yes more hot

02:43:40.340 okay what about 20 years time same um no i mean i think i think that's not really going to be my

02:43:44.900 concern anymore just you know i'm not always going to be this young and sexy so i'm just enjoying it

02:43:49.940 whether it's your concern or not is kind of irrelevant to the question yeah i mean i i don't i don't know

02:43:57.860 haven't really thought about it i don't really care that much like i don't put that much emphasis on

02:44:03.620 my looks you don't i care more about why do you put hair color why do you dye your hair because

02:44:10.660 i'm cute i'm a girl i like to be cute it's fun so you do care about your looks i think it's fun

02:44:15.300 it doesn't mean like that's totally fine no that's not like the most emphasis i put on in my life i guess

02:44:20.660 what i don't understand like in this you can't in the same sentence say i don't care about my looks but

02:44:25.140 also like you wear makeup you put on fake lashes you do your hair you've got tattoos you clearly care

02:44:31.540 care about i'm saying external physical appearance yeah i'm saying in that time like i will care a lot

02:44:37.380 less about my looks like i said i'm not always going to be this young and beautiful like i'm not

02:44:40.740 going to rely you know or care that much about this forever so all right uh you are we switched you

02:44:46.660 you're 23 right or how old are you 21 20 21 21 my bad i got a little confused there okay so 21 uh

02:44:54.180 will you be better looking in 10 years time at 31 i feel like yes but not when i'm older so 20 years time

02:44:59.220 41 41 yeah i feel like i'll still be hot uh 30 years time 51 um i feel like once i get like a

02:45:07.220 little older i'll probably get work done just to look a little younger that's really it when when

02:45:11.620 do you think you'll peak peak um probably like late 20s okay when do you think is like going to be your

02:45:19.140 peak like 35 35 okay going to you you're 23 better looking in 10 years time at 33 yes definitely i feel

02:45:26.580 like i still haven't grown up like i want to or sure okay better looking in 20 years time at

02:45:31.300 yes i'm latina so i have really good genes and my mom's beautiful and she's 51 okay better looking

02:45:36.500 in 30 years time at 53 yeah i believe so okay better looking in 40 years time at 63 um maybe i hope so

02:45:45.300 like j-lo and all of them well they're not 60 but you know they're older women do you guys think j-lo's

02:45:49.620 better looking now versus when she was no do you think there's a single natural thing about her

02:45:55.940 anymore anybody in celebrity or anybody in hollywood all these celebrities do everything from like the

02:46:00.260 blood facials to i don't know like kim kardashian looks better now i feel like kim kardashian looks

02:46:05.140 better now than she did when she was younger like starting out don't you agree she's also had probably

02:46:08.660 millions of dollars of plastic surgery done to her so that's the point i guess it matters if you think

02:46:13.220 plastic surgery is attractive or not not really i mean i want a nose job that's probably only work i

02:46:18.500 would get all right um 50 years time at uh 73 more attractive no not definitely not more attractive

02:46:26.580 peak peak would be like in my 30s 30 yeah my 30s all right what about you uh you are 22 right

02:46:34.820 better looking in 10 years time at 32 yeah better looking 20 years time 42 yeah better looking 30 years

02:46:40.980 time 52 no okay when's the peak i'd say like early 30s early 30s okay uh you are 20 clarify i don't

02:46:50.100 want to live past 60. thank you for sharing that very relevant piece of information uh you're 28 better

02:46:56.500 looking in 10 years time at 38 no i i believe everybody peaks when they're young like okay so

02:47:01.300 you're sure let's go backwards uh you're 28 were you better looking at 18 than you are now

02:47:05.700 i think i was looking the best like my peak was like 23. okay but if we had to compare were you

02:47:15.380 better looking at 18 versus now yes okay yes all right and then uh you are you will be better looking

02:47:23.860 now at 28 than you will be at 38. uh i don't know i guess we all age so i don't i don't i don't know how

02:47:31.060 i'm gonna look when i'm 30. i'd probably assuming you plus 10 years i don't know it could be i could

02:47:40.740 take control and look good or i could go to total who knows how people turn out what do you think

02:47:48.820 i don't think i've ever thought about this so you're thinking about it right now uh

02:47:52.900 uh i might look better i think yeah okay but uh what about 38 38 10 years time no okay nobody

02:48:02.020 find it weird she doesn't want to live past 60. am i the only one that caught that i got that too

02:48:06.580 why because because our bodies are fucked up by then like we like we break down i don't want to be

02:48:12.100 all like i have like spine issue i don't really want to live well i mean maybe there'll be

02:48:16.740 interventions within 30 30 40 years that will uh you know regenerative medicine this way i hope so

02:48:23.220 i hope you want us to something different uh so going to you you're 38 will you be better looking

02:48:29.620 will you be better looking in 10 years time at 40. i'd like to be optimistic but i mean

02:48:35.060 i don't know i want to get more fit i guess you know more strong let me know if you need a trainer

02:48:40.660 okay so was sorry was that a yes or i don't think so i'm sorry you're very soft-spoken realistically no

02:48:48.660 i probably will be a little less cuter okay and you're 38 uh are you better looking now or were

02:48:54.420 you better looking 10 years ago at 28 just let me finish uh better looking at 28 probably a little

02:49:01.780 better looking okay i kind of look the same and then uh were you better looking at 18 10 years prior as

02:49:07.700 compared to 28 i would agree okay so okay all right uh deborah you're 24 better looking in 10

02:49:14.740 years time at 34 i do think so okay and then better looking in 20 years time 44 better than right now

02:49:21.460 yes probably not because i plan to have a ton of kids and i know what that does to a woman's body but

02:49:26.180 a cold plunge i don't need seed oils i'm all about that rfk maybe rfk will make us all live forever so

02:49:31.780 um and then just you uh between 34 and 44 which one will be better looking probably 34 i think

02:49:40.020 early 30s is probably like the peak for women but my grandma's in her 80s and she's a hottie

02:49:45.780 all right uh and then damien let me know when we get the discord going with the

02:49:49.700 age advancements we do have a big super chat here from uh nas in la thank you man so much for the uh

02:49:56.180 200 super chat he writes in 10 years you 30 foes will be coping with bbls and botox to try to look

02:50:02.980 how you do today stop coping anybody here gonna get a bbl anybody bbl anybody i go to the gym bbl don't

02:50:13.140 look at me i was just looking straight at me like i looked at everybody i looked at everybody

02:50:18.180 all natural from that's it does anybody here have uh like uh any plastic surgery not yet i got my

02:50:24.980 boobs done after breastfeeding yeah all right for a year you got it all right let's we guys we are age

02:50:32.580 advancing everybody uh you can go ahead and pull that up no all right that's okay that is my nose

02:50:42.260 like why would my nose even wait what's the age i don't know well she said she's gonna be better

02:50:46.980 looking at like i said 10 years from now that's we didn't even do our prime age yeah yeah you just

02:50:53.460 said old lady what the heck that's granny i feel like old ladies also do get that hairstyle too you

02:51:00.180 know i know low-key the salt and pepper yeah oh well she's not here but that does not look like

02:51:06.820 oh my god i'm scared for me i'm scared for me i'm scared for myself i'm not sure she needs to run away

02:51:12.180 bride whoa wow that was not nice everyone that was not nice no i'm next how dare you guys all right

02:51:19.780 wait how old would i be there 70. of course the hottest okay so far still looking all right next

02:51:29.060 why did my lips get smaller what all right mine was the worst you guys know i think mine was the

02:51:34.820 worst so far i haven't been up yet so oh no okay age gracefully is that fucking nancy pelosi

02:51:51.220 all right next here we go deborah

02:51:53.380 i i don't believe in fillers or any of that stuff i think it lasts in your skin forever so this is a psa

02:52:06.660 to any woman hey thank you any women considering that you can never get rid of it even dissolving

02:52:11.780 stuff it lives forever so thank you all right all right we got next what about preventive

02:52:17.460 okay bro of course you wish next and then of course the ant yeah whoever's doing this i like the keep

02:52:26.500 doing minus chad and then grandpa andrew i like that okay i feel good about myself

02:52:33.460 rock and roll looks exactly like my dad all right all right all right um so let's see here where were

02:52:43.220 we um i guess uh those of you who said you'll be like they're looking in 10 20 whatever 30 uh final

02:52:49.460 question on this do you think men will find you men because i know this is your own self-assessment

02:52:54.820 do you think men will find you more attractive in 10 years time compared yes yeah i think a lot of

02:53:01.940 guys are like into milfs like they like older women erroneous erroneous milfs are hot you know my

02:53:08.900 sister's 60 and she looks like she's 30 and still got she has trouble like dating your sister looks

02:53:14.500 like she's 60 but looks like she's 30. no she looks 30 and she's 60. yeah yeah i could pull up a picture

02:53:20.020 and you'd be like she doesn't look great just like men argue with her i'm dating show me the picture i

02:53:24.180 don't believe this all right go grab her phone yeah go grab your phone wait your sister's really 60.

02:53:29.300 yeah wow a 60 year old that looks like a 30 year old maybe an asian it's all making more sense

02:53:35.220 don't raise it all coming to me i said childhood trauma yeah everything in life a lot of maybe an

02:53:41.620 asian woman maybe an asian woman you're right yeah even then asian ladies age very good too very

02:53:48.180 60 bro i'm sorry it's that korean skin even black people need that very well

02:53:54.100 i don't know she's like 80 and she looks like she's 15. don't show it on camera just show it to

02:53:59.940 me okay okay but i think the real answer is rotate the phone once women past 30. maybe maybe 40 but i

02:54:06.340 don't think she looks she's hot i mean she's got a filter she's using a filter can i look at her

02:54:11.060 yeah okay okay it's not like the skinniest but she's not she doesn't look 60 to me and men argue

02:54:17.300 with her does she look 60 she looks a little younger than 60 but okay what age would you give

02:54:22.820 her well i'm not really good at reading people like in their 50s and sick just because i'm not

02:54:27.140 at that age yet i feel like maybe she would i guess she's not in her 40s like i i mean she could

02:54:35.300 me but again like she could be like in her mid 50s but i i mean i mean in person she looks like in

02:54:41.620 person yeah in person people usually look worse in person than they do and i feel like i look better

02:54:46.580 in person than i do on camera because i'm not but organic really that's i've never seen a 30 year

02:54:50.820 old with like the well that's why you gotta put skincare on your neck always bring down the lotion

02:54:56.500 girls bring down the lotion down to your neck always that's not a 30 year old bro oh and sunscreen

02:55:00.660 what's on screen men argue with her in leading sites like i've even said you're not 60 i've

02:55:07.140 argued with her so what do you mean like they're like you're lying about your age it's like why would

02:55:11.700 i lie about i know i know why men would lie about this because it's flattering to a woman to say she

02:55:16.500 looks younger than she like actually is especially like older women who are 60. they're trying to have

02:55:22.340 sex with your 60 year old uh girl what is it not girl what the aunt what is she she's my sister

02:55:30.180 oh my yeah guys are gonna guys will flatter women it's a strategy i don't know i i still

02:55:38.820 so beautiful i still argue with her about her being 60 because i couldn't even

02:55:43.060 i can see that yeah as an honest man she's a little bit of my mom that's crazy she's 60 man

02:55:48.580 okay all right well good talk uh okay so uh we are oh i need to finish up the the notes from

02:55:55.540 everybody then we're getting to the questionnaire uh let's see here we are we did yours amelia yes

02:56:02.180 hello uh let's see uh we talked about the cutting the hair thing yeah uh traumatized still you feel

02:56:10.020 like guys downgrade cheating and why guys downgrade that's valid um you wrote paranormal experiences in

02:56:18.820 here yeah is it a dating thing or you just want to talk about ghosts i like talking about ghost stories

02:56:23.140 are you have you been i feel like you've been abducted by aliens like you seem the type of

02:56:27.860 girl who's been abducted have you been probed i'm definitely i'm definitely a woke i'm definitely

02:56:32.580 woke and believe in um woke woke yeah like the matrix about everything like i is there third eye

02:56:38.500 open the matrix yeah wait do you mean that we live in a simulation yeah the simulation wait really

02:56:45.620 not that we live in a simulation but i do believe that like we live in a matrix where like the um

02:56:50.180 higher society makes us like in a program how do we get unplugged i don't know yet you take the red

02:56:56.580 pill i'll take the red pill you take the red i'll take the red pill but anyways going back to you so

02:57:01.460 right now just to be clear red pill it's currently the year in the real world it's the year uh 2400

02:57:09.780 there's robots you are in like a liquefied human pod and the robots that's scary hold on the you the

02:57:18.020 robots are using you for essentially a battery to power no the robot world because there was a human

02:57:28.180 robot war and uh the robots won and now we're the slaves of the robots of the robots and we're all

02:57:38.420 inside of the matrix right now no i do not believe that's not the point i was getting at just like

02:57:43.780 the rat race trying to escape the matrix not working in um like that's strictly of like working

02:57:48.660 a nine-to-five so we're not literally in the matrix we're just programming she's saying she's talking

02:57:52.900 about social programming okay yeah exactly thank you very much andrew no but she said we're in a

02:57:57.620 simulation so no i said no no no no she actually said she she didn't think we were in the simulation oh

02:58:03.780 yeah that would be crazy i'm not that crazy we're in a simulation and then she's talking about

02:58:08.340 kind of like andrew tate mindset i'm like the version like the woman version of andrew tate

02:58:12.500 and yeah you're so you're a fan of andrew tate yes okay i used to not because i don't like his views

02:58:16.660 on women but now that he changed his views on women wait how did he change his views on women

02:58:20.500 wait wait wait yeah did he change his views on woman or on women well i don't know the first i did

02:58:26.340 not like andrew tate at first because the video i would see him like degrading women um and acting like

02:58:30.740 were sexual objects and i was like yeah you're not my guy yeah pmd not woman yeah i think he's

02:58:35.460 kind of dumb now now he's like saying that women are the beautiful most beautiful creation

02:58:40.260 on earth and we need to take care of them and protect them so i was like okay i like paying them

02:58:44.420 to have sex on webcams no i did not know about that that's how he got his famous he has a whole

02:58:49.700 program called a p uh phd pimping hose degree where he teaches men how to get other women to film

02:58:55.860 themselves naked on sex cams and then get the money uh he's still doing that yeah just to move

02:59:01.620 things on okay i did not know that you said you're into i don't agree with that you're into manifest

02:59:06.340 manifesting yeah what does that mean manifesting is whatever like um you want in your life and your

02:59:12.340 dreams you're able to manifest it and um eventually comes to fruitation if you follow your like your

02:59:17.060 path and stay true to yourself and obviously god pray to god and i feel like i've manifested a lot of

02:59:24.260 things that i wanted like being a medical field and my opportunities that i've asked once like

02:59:29.620 for modeling it's like it happens okay uh and then you did right here when i was going around the table

02:59:34.660 you said you're single right yes but in the notes you said you were in a very complicated situationship

02:59:40.340 that was my ex you're no longer oh maybe this you sent this like a while ago so this is over

02:59:47.300 do i have that correct yeah that situation was over i see you said because you said you've been

02:59:51.940 single for two months so okay so you're no longer in the very complicated situation no

02:59:56.740 the this was the guy who cut your hair yes okay they're all coming by i see okay all right and we

03:00:02.820 have uh who do we have giana gina me no there's oh oh no no okay that that's all right uh let's see

03:00:14.100 here did did you send anything or no i don't think you did you did via instagram or here yeah you already

03:00:19.540 read them but they were just like oh you're right yeah i didn't send anything sorry ryan but i can

03:00:24.420 whip it up right now we have uh the i think the final one then is we have uh tawny uh you just tawny

03:00:31.540 you said you just ended a nine-year abusive relationship with your ex-fiancee who's now

03:00:36.900 having severe health problems that's correct okay um actually yeah i'll leave it here for now

03:00:44.900 uh and just uh i don't know if can you give us a little details he's abusive was it physically

03:00:54.180 emotionally it was physical it was emotional it lasted way too long i mean we met when i was 29 and

03:01:00.340 now 38 so my whole 30s he was also 12 years older than me and age gap different opinions on that now as an

03:01:08.900 older woman i think um yeah but it's very emotional because he is just get close if you

03:01:14.980 can uh has liver cirrhosis and he has colon cancer on top of that i'm so sad okay it's just shitty uh

03:01:21.700 but so you said that you so you just ended the nine-year abusive relationship um how did you abuse him

03:01:27.460 i was not the abusive oh my bad sorry okay i guess i missed that part um and uh you were with him for

03:01:35.860 nine years that is that correct that's correct okay uh you wanted to talk about narcissistic abuse

03:01:42.100 uh so he was a narcissist i have been like reading a lot of books i'm sorry and yeah i would just so

03:01:49.380 it's a little i would just put your chair in maybe if you don't cross your legs you can i would scoot

03:01:54.260 that chair just get that there you go all right yeah i would categorize it as like a narcissistic

03:02:00.500 abuse of how do you define narcissism i just want to make sure i'm understanding i um i've read like

03:02:06.660 why does he do that and i've been listening to a lot of dr romney and it's i i wouldn't have a definition

03:02:13.380 uh yeah but i do feel like it did fit into that category

03:02:20.900 okay was he diagnosed as a narcissist or no no

03:02:25.540 okay andrew typically has thoughts on this one i don't know andrew if you want to have any inquiry

03:02:32.180 here or yeah i was just curious um so i hear so many women say that men are narcissistic and yet

03:02:40.100 these men have never been diagnosed with narcissism it seems that they women themselves tend to diagnose

03:02:45.300 the men as being narcissistic all on their own and i'm just wondering how you came to the conclusion

03:02:50.020 that he was narcissistic i feel like i i grew up with a covert narcissist's mother um

03:02:56.660 i wish i was more i know she's not diagnosed but sorry i wish i was feeling more articulate

03:03:02.660 um but yeah just like i said i've let's spread the book why does he do that which was very insightful

03:03:09.780 and i don't know if anyone's familiar with dr romney the the indian psychologist that has a

03:03:15.220 youtube channel i think i've heard about this yeah um you're right yeah well i'm just curious what

03:03:22.100 are the traits that actually made this guy a narcissist i i don't actually i i don't know how

03:03:29.860 to explain it completely like double standards totally egotistical relationship i was never

03:03:36.980 really listened to i don't i don't know i should have made more notes before i came here because i'm

03:03:42.020 feeling like i don't know exactly what to say on that subject so sorry okay i got a lot to say

03:03:51.220 about narcissism was zach bryan anybody following that i love but that situation yeah well i mean so

03:04:01.700 just by a show of hands real quick um who here has dated a narcissist

03:04:06.180 that's me diagnosed or diagnosed by women that well just diagnosed by you mine was diagnosed by a

03:04:14.020 doctor okay after just diagnosed by you or you that you just think that they're a narcissist for

03:04:19.860 whatever reason just by a show of hands real quick wait what did you say you have to be dated a

03:04:26.500 narcissist i think a lot of women just use that term like it's like the term gaslighting people just

03:04:31.300 took it and ran with it but people can be an asshole or like a bad guy without being a narcissist

03:04:36.660 an actual narcissist you cannot feel or think about other people's emotions they can know about your

03:04:40.660 emotions and just genuinely not care about them like that is i don't think that's necessarily

03:04:45.060 narcissism i think there's just you're an asshole yeah like and there's women who are also really bad

03:04:50.340 like it's just bad people is a psychopath and a narcissist the same thing no no okay have you dated a

03:04:57.860 psychopath besides the dog man oh well um yeah the the one the relationship was diagnosed as a

03:05:05.140 narcissist and i've also dated a guy that was actually diagnosed as a psychopath but this is like

03:05:09.780 way like when i was really young there's no diagnosis for psychopathy so psycho psychopath

03:05:15.460 doesn't exist anywhere in the dsm it's not a it's not a diagnosis there's there's uh other diagnoses

03:05:21.860 which you would give a person that you would possibly consider them to be a psychopath like borderline

03:05:27.060 personality disorder cluster b all sorts of different things but psychopathy itself like

03:05:32.260 being a psychopath is not a thing which can be diagnosed interesting i was like 19 this guy told

03:05:37.700 me he was actually diagnosed like as a psychopath i don't know what that's a phrenic maybe maybe who

03:05:43.220 knows i don't know how old was he you were 19 he's like 23 somewhere in there 24. girl you gotta make

03:05:50.980 better choices in men i'm sorry you just i'm not sorry actually i really think that you need to make

03:05:55.380 better choices in men especially if you have a daughter because it's your duty to raise her and

03:06:00.100 like teach her what men she should go for and i think it's never too late to make that better choice

03:06:06.180 and live a happier better life but you gotta put the effort in yeah i'm learning it's definitely yeah i

03:06:13.060 agree with that statement all right um let's see here um

03:06:23.060 one sec guys just going over a couple things okay um we're going to get into the uh questionnaire stuff

03:06:28.820 but before we do i'm just going to read the soup chat from the the homie ray bovis please have

03:06:34.020 everyone pronounce the plural form of the word woman andrew's enthusiastic about this one starting with you

03:06:39.860 go ahead i don't get the question women women what women women question i don't know what we're

03:06:48.500 talking sorry a plural word yeah the plural form of the word woman woman women wait what

03:07:02.660 well so you guys have you and you you may not realize that you've done this but all of you have done

03:07:07.940 this now when you say women you keep saying woman i don't think that woman should do this i said women

03:07:18.900 what's that i don't believe i know the proper use of the terms i don't think i've said that but

03:07:23.460 if anybody can answer i'm not saying you specifically yeah but i but but yeah there's there's a lot of i

03:07:29.700 don't i don't and i have no idea why this is it's something that i've seen panel after panel after panel

03:07:34.900 for some reason women use the word woman to say women and i don't i don't actually understand why

03:07:40.820 that is the most bizarre phenomenon ever plural so like a woman and pans versus pan a singular pan a

03:07:48.900 woman is you where women is a bunch yeah yes well i said that no no you specifically said woman like 15

03:07:57.380 times instead of women right oh no me oh yeah this question woman yeah is english your second language

03:08:05.780 well i had to learn english and spanish at the same time because i moved to mexico i was in preschool so

03:08:10.100 imagine having to learn your own language how to speak and write correctly and then add spanish on top

03:08:14.980 of that so yeah but i mean in spanish isn't it mujer mujeres yes like isn't it the same thing

03:08:21.300 right one moment one moment sorry all right well brian's gone so we have to entertain ourselves now

03:08:30.020 uh no no we can uh we can actually dive into a couple things so going back to the rating thing

03:08:35.380 briefly i'd like to do just a very quick social experiment uh so everybody close your eyes

03:08:43.220 close them up tight close your eyes up tight okay now raise your hand if you think you're the

03:08:47.620 prettiest girl in the room nobody else can see i'm not gonna

03:08:55.140 okay now lower your hands now open your eyes okay now uh starting with chair one who do you think

03:09:03.140 said that they were the prettiest woman in the room um i don't know i mean i think everyone here is

03:09:11.140 really beautiful it's just again there's no wrong answer in my opinion yeah i mean i think

03:09:17.300 just who do you think raised their hand is all i'm just asking who you think but she's humble so i

03:09:21.780 don't think she would have raised her hand i don't know okay next chair who do you think raised their

03:09:27.700 hand um i don't think you raised your hand but okay all right beautiful women so i was like i'm

03:09:35.780 definitely not the prettiest girl in here so middle chair middle chair who do you think raised their hand

03:09:41.460 um i don't feel like anyone did just kind of respect next next who do you think raised their hand

03:09:51.300 uh i don't know that no one okay and then next year who do you think raised your hand probably no

03:09:57.220 one i would bet on that actually oh and then last year who you think raised your hand if i i agree with no

03:10:04.820 one but if i had to say anyone i think it would be you just because i feel like you have a high level of self-confidence

03:10:08.740 um but got it so to those now just since all your eyes are open raise your hand if you said nobody

03:10:18.020 what do you mean if you said you didn't raise your hand yeah if you don't think anybody raised their

03:10:22.340 hand raise your hand yeah okay great uh and so for those of you who just raised your hand how many of

03:10:30.980 you rated yourselves as a seven or above

03:10:36.900 everybody everybody so i don't i don't understand if you're if you if you're seven eight nine ten

03:10:43.540 how do you assume that you're not the prettiest girl in the room because there's also seven nights

03:10:46.820 intense here it's such a subjective question i don't think i'm in competition with any other

03:10:51.940 women i'm in competition with myself myself only why is it a matter of yes me too always i'm not

03:10:59.220 the prettiest girl look at her she's she's model material yeah she's she's beautiful yeah i'm not

03:11:04.980 i'm not saying it's a matter of competition i'm saying that even from your subjective metric

03:11:09.620 you can make a determination as to what is pretty and what is not pretty correct

03:11:13.780 symmetrical i think all the girls are beautiful yeah nobody but nobody's making nobody's disputing that

03:11:19.220 you must not understand girls for someone who's married i'm shocked that you don't have a better

03:11:24.660 grasp on the female psychology when it comes to just this specific aspect where women when the

03:11:29.700 environment is divisive and you're put in position to tear each other down women will claw each other's

03:11:36.100 eyes out but like when they're in i think in good environments women tend to be girly and like

03:11:41.860 sisterhood and really like not want to tear people down girls girls i just came from a bachelorette

03:11:45.780 trip everyone's like braiding their hair and doing massages i'm like since when did we start doing

03:11:51.300 this like i i think it's just a female thing that if we were all in a private room like a confessional

03:11:57.140 as a person who's married and raised many many women who are out in society i also know that there's a

03:12:02.660 lot of truth that perhaps um at the moment you're trying to gaslight us away from which is that women

03:12:08.340 often tear each other down in groups all the time they do it all the time non-stop and often in

03:12:14.980 the most passive aggressive ways possible but the idea that you from your subjective metric can't

03:12:20.260 make a determination as to which girl you think is prettier than you i think is a lie i literally

03:12:25.380 think it's just a lie yeah i don't think you're any of you are actually telling me the truth right

03:12:29.220 i think she's prettier than you i mean i'm gay and i gave my honest opinion so yeah right well so i mean

03:12:35.780 some of you will say sure some of the women here are prettier than me blah blah blah but many don't

03:12:40.020 want to answer they don't want to answer why because they're afraid that they're going to

03:12:43.860 offend somebody who's going to hurt their feelings this or that i understand that but at the same

03:12:48.260 time it's like just don't lie to me and say uh well i just don't know i never make those judgment

03:12:53.540 calls because yes you do yes you definitely make the judgment calls as to who's prettier than you not

03:12:58.580 prettier than you what if you're just basing it off of what other people tell you not that you think

03:13:02.580 you're pretty yeah well i think that most people would would probably base their metric on what other

03:13:08.660 people tell them otherwise what would they be comparing it like i don't think i'm ugly so

03:13:12.660 someone doesn't think they're pretty but they based off of someone else saying then they're not

03:13:16.260 going to think they're actually beautiful yeah but i think that the the way that people inform

03:13:20.740 themselves about beauty standards is based on how people treat them based on their beauty standard

03:13:25.620 right yeah i'm not afraid so if you were like walking around all day long and every guy you ran

03:13:30.900 into was like oh you're ugly i'm guessing that you probably wouldn't think you were pretty right

03:13:35.780 but if you walked around all day and guys were like oh you're beautiful i'm assuming that you

03:13:40.180 would that would probably hire your estimation of yourself maybe that's why too i think i'm really

03:13:44.100 beautiful because how many compliments i do get when i step out like anywhere i men and women

03:13:49.300 someone on tiktok told me they watch my videos with the sound off so i don't know take that with what

03:13:54.420 you will i don't know if it was a hate comment or not that's definitely a hate comment for sure i'm

03:13:58.580 taking it as a positive comment you could definitely be like get told you're hotter than you actually are and

03:14:03.620 then rate yourself lower just because you're low self-esteem let's pull up twitch damon guys go

03:14:08.260 to twitch.tv bob kyle i don't know if you're still in chat i didn't get the notification for

03:14:11.780 it but you did send us a raid i don't know if you're still watching uh guys go to there it is i

03:14:16.420 don't know why maybe here let me check my settings maybe it's like below the threshold or something

03:14:20.420 but yo bob kyle thank you so much for the raid man really appreciate it uh i don't know i don't

03:14:25.380 know if i'm gonna be able to play world of warcraft with you man but i really appreciate it i don't know i'm

03:14:29.380 like there's a lot of interest on our discord about doing it i'm just like thinking if i've even

03:14:35.700 even time but we'll see maybe i'll start the guild and just abandon it after a day we'll see just

03:14:40.180 kidding just kidding okay thank you so much for the raid man guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever

03:14:44.020 drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one guys it's been 15 minutes since we last got a prime

03:14:50.020 so if you guys have a prime sub available check it let me see what's going on here though with the

03:14:54.260 alert um before i get into the questionnaire just while i'm getting this all sorted uh does anybody

03:14:59.940 have a dating topic that they'd like to speak on or you have two men here who will be uh totally

03:15:06.580 honest with you if you've ever wanted to ask a guy a question about dating or relationships or anything

03:15:13.140 and you want an honest answer

03:15:21.620 what's your guys idea of a perfect first date uh i and you're like realistic perfect or like i

03:15:30.340 idealistic perfect what's the difference well idealistic perfect would be the like a dream she's

03:15:36.820 a uh she's a billionaire heiress and she commits herself to me for her life even if i break up with

03:15:43.620 her she will become a nun after we break up uh we have sex immediately she's amazing at it she's

03:15:51.060 exactly my type and then the times in which i want a different type she can shape shift kind of like you

03:15:56.180 into a different just kidding about that part um i'll be happy with however she comes just kidding

03:16:02.020 but really i'm serious um giant labia world record because i i uh you like you like i'm fat huh i only

03:16:11.140 you're i mean you date women so you know what i'm talking about i only date women with large

03:16:16.100 i'm looking for a guinness world record labia okay um so if anybody knows anybody just kidding uh

03:16:22.900 just kidding but i'm serious i am serious about that uh what else please send reference photos to him

03:16:28.820 yes i need um no realistically not idealistic yeah realistically the world we live in the

03:16:37.300 billionaire heiress giant lady uh perfect first day yeah would she plan it or would you plan it

03:16:44.580 she does oh okay okay here would you guys realistic realistic and we're about to play the battle video

03:16:48.820 yeah um realistic she's uh like you know like equivalent you know in terms of physical

03:16:57.380 attractiveness like around my league or whatever um pleasant submissive does my laundry on the first

03:17:04.260 date does a bow do you guys meet at the laundry mat so you can see how she folds no she just doesn't

03:17:10.580 she just does it my place comes over also she trusts you yeah trust me she does my uh what else does she do

03:17:18.820 uh she cleans my entire house including rest bathrooms uh sweeps mops swiffers vacuums so you

03:17:29.700 want a slave she also needs to know how to churn butter and make moccasins because that's how i roll

03:17:35.300 and uh king's out there if she won't find somebody who will if she won't find somebody who will if she

03:17:42.020 wanted to she would so exactly yeah i mean hey you put it out there ask and you shall receive

03:17:48.420 yeah i basically um yeah i did all those things i did sorry deborah i did all those things for my

03:17:55.060 next boyfriend he churned butter and made moccasins well not that part but i cleaned all

03:18:00.420 of his dishes he'll break her like damn it i washed his dishes made his bed in the morning did his

03:18:06.820 laundry speaking of laundry i do not have to turn butter even though i have like top of the line

03:18:12.580 laundry like washing machine dryer um i actually insist that my girlfriend she has to like like uh

03:18:20.660 what's that washboard she has to use a washboard like a pilgrim yeah she has to use a washboard to

03:18:25.940 clean all my clothes and then she has to hang them to dry okay yes they teach us elementary

03:18:30.740 schoolers like complete clean status sounds like a great elementary school that sounds like a good

03:18:35.140 first date like a poker do you guys downgrade on purpose or this happens to you guys that's a total

03:18:39.700 shift i know but we're talking about relationships aren't we uh do we what downgrade on yeah why do you

03:18:45.940 guys do you guys downgrade on purpose like because some guys go from having the most beautiful woman

03:18:50.420 everything that he want um they can want and then they break up with her and then the next girl they

03:18:55.140 get it doesn't meet any other standards to that girl they cheat on you with oh both i because i

03:19:01.220 don't got cheated on but after me and my ex broke up he dated a girl that had like nothing going for

03:19:05.940 herself looks like a tweaker um like you're not well yeah so it was just like why would you go from

03:19:11.940 me to her you mean probably great wait it wasn't the doubt he side graded because like you're also

03:19:17.380 what a tweaker a tweaker how are you not no you know what tweaker means i think so

03:19:24.820 what does meth no a tweaker like it does drugs have you ever done drugs marijuana but i'm talking

03:19:31.940 about she was like looks like she does meth and looks like she does like hardcore have you ever done

03:19:36.180 um um no i have vape and smoke weed and drink wine such cope your white cope it's so hard yeah look

03:19:45.940 at you you have to who hasn't i'm just gonna say that yeah there we go there's the truth who hasn't

03:19:51.620 what have you ever done um experimented who hasn't experimented pcp no have you ever done like

03:19:58.100 like black tar heroin no have you ever done crocodile no have you ever done i've done i

03:20:05.060 smoke weed in high school i did acid once in in high school yeah 15 or something no like in

03:20:11.860 senior year with my with my girlfriends oh okay that's cool but it was one time 16 she was 17.

03:20:18.740 no that's like hardcore tweaker like whatever is like heroin meth crack and like pcp and like all

03:20:25.860 that weird shit like that not even once no not even once not even once not even one time no not

03:20:32.580 even half of a once no a quarter of a once like do i look like it or what because why just the tip

03:20:41.140 just for a second just to see how it feels you know you know like how girls won't count like if it's

03:20:47.700 just the tip as a body it's kind of like you just like take one hit of the meth pipe like that's you

03:20:54.260 still did math yeah no but i smoke weed like on a daily so laced with meth no i'm kidding all

03:21:01.060 right all right why are you crying again because the meth is it the meth convo that's what i'm curious

03:21:06.180 about is it is it you okay oh is it did i say something is it about is it me what did i say

03:21:15.300 it oh it's not you it's not is it andrew andrew you fucking scumbag go away andrew make a silly

03:21:23.220 face do you want me to talk to andrew for a little bit andrew how you andrew this is the pcp

03:21:29.460 this is the pcp i thought pcp was platelets andrew like a natural eye filler platelets you scoundrel

03:21:37.380 you are a scoundrel andrew you ain't nothing but a hound dog

03:21:43.700 andrew put put your little red screen on show us the red show us your evil yeah we

03:21:48.420 know you're evil put the red thing there his face on his face you scoundrel i can't even see the

03:21:54.500 devil horns peeking out what are you eating it's eating a cookie i have wow he's eating a cookie that

03:22:01.860 sounds good my wife's cookies are not for you not for you hey fair enough wait andrew do you have

03:22:06.340 children you said you brought some girls into this world how many kids you have children i have five

03:22:11.860 or three step kids and then two uh two of my own what are the age ranges like youngest to oldest

03:22:16.900 uh the oldest are in their 20s and the youngest is um i don't know like uh 12 or 13 or 14 or something

03:22:24.980 how old were you when you became a dad i was pretty young how old it was in uh uh i don't remember my

03:22:33.060 exact age it was like early 20s so dill i have a few friends who've been married since like early 20s

03:22:38.340 and they're now parents but what do you think was like the biggest thing if anything to change for you

03:22:42.420 as a man in the way that you saw women after having your first child did anything change and if it did

03:22:48.580 what um no i so i think that my opinion of women was pretty well informed up until that point not

03:22:58.660 maybe not great but it was pretty well informed uh but understanding uh women's nature raising women

03:23:05.700 that's a whole different a whole different story whole different uh whole different thing turns out

03:23:10.660 that this idea that uh that that women are perfect until a man corrupts their angelic nature is uh

03:23:20.740 complete and total fucking bullshit so that's the thing that i learned more than anything quickly is

03:23:25.780 that uh that is not true um at all not even a little bit and there's a lot of what uh she called social

03:23:33.140 engineering which tries to reinforce the narrative that women are born angelic and perfect and uh

03:23:39.780 only evil men it's only after evil men corrupt their angelic nature that um that they do anything

03:23:46.660 which is bad and uh that's that's just not the case no i would agree with you on that i think

03:23:50.900 hormones play a huge role into it specifically like if you ever met a 14 year old girl they could

03:23:55.540 probably use an exorcism we've all been 14 year old girls here yeah i don't think it's hormones i've got

03:23:59.780 a different i have a different way that i look at it so well i think that there's a superpower that

03:24:04.340 which is corrupting to women especially beautiful women and i think it would be just as corrupting to

03:24:08.900 men if they had it so assume just uh think of it as like um you're an x-men and that you're you're kind

03:24:17.540 of your mutation your superpower is that if you're young and beautiful between the ages of let's say

03:24:23.380 18 and 27 basically anything you want from men you can get basically anything you want if you want

03:24:31.060 a door open you're going to get it if you need money you're going to get it if you need resources

03:24:35.780 you're going to get that um if you get in trouble they're likely your punishment's going to be much

03:24:40.580 lighter now it's like a this great superpower but it corrupts too at the same time right because it it

03:24:47.540 displaces accountability and since it displaces accountability once that beauty fleets women's

03:24:53.220 seem to have trouble taking accountability after that they go wait a second it used to be that

03:24:58.500 doors magically opened for me gifts just showed up at my house people just gave me resources and

03:25:03.620 attention once that fades though they never learned the accountability portion and so um so i think that

03:25:10.020 that's a that's a massive social issue and because matrons in society have been rejected meaning older

03:25:15.780 women who are now always just looking to kind of reattach themselves to their youth instead of

03:25:20.980 telling women to have good expectations the matrons of society which are designed to guide women

03:25:26.740 through this they're gone they're they're summarily rejected and instead they try to hold these

03:25:32.100 ridiculous beauty standards into their 60s and 70s where they look like j-lo and this type of thing and

03:25:36.580 it's insane so that that's the uh that's the big eye-opener yeah i think that i got not directly opposed

03:25:44.500 i think it's just different than what i was saying which is like i think women specifically when they're

03:25:48.500 going through puberty for the first time just as somebody who was a teenage girl and had other

03:25:52.740 teenage friends that there's some something i don't know i think women are not informed enough

03:25:57.700 about hormones we're never really taught about it how it affects you how people after giving birth

03:26:01.780 have like postpartum depression and they can literally go psychotic because of it even after

03:26:06.020 abortions too people don't talk about this stuff men have the same thing like i know but it sucks that

03:26:11.060 we're not taught about it yeah yeah this is often not thought about but men when they're going through

03:26:15.540 puberty right right of passage for men they get ultra violent sometimes with each other highly angry

03:26:22.340 very upset very confused right they have a hormone uh siege inside of their bodies as much as women

03:26:29.540 do but their accountability is not taken away so the accountability for keeping those things in check

03:26:37.140 that's never displaced from them it does seem like it's more displaced from women how is that new

03:26:42.660 since the beginning of time men have been held more accountable than women because we've expected

03:26:47.700 men to be the leaders so if you guys want to be the leaders you should expect to be held accountable as

03:26:51.780 well well more than your counterparts silly this is sure you know what i'll concede the argument you're

03:26:57.300 right men should be held more accountable and the thing is though is if you give them more

03:27:01.940 responsibility right if you give them more responsibility then you're going to have to also give

03:27:06.820 them the authority and so you can't say we're going to take authority away from men which is what

03:27:11.300 egalitarianism has done and still give them the same amount of responsibility and have the expectation

03:27:17.140 that you're going to have a society which isn't fucked from top to bottom because it is

03:27:20.820 so the thing is it's like sure hold men more accountable than women but as long as they have

03:27:25.380 the authority right nobody's going to say anything about it but the second you say we're equal

03:27:29.940 well then you need to have equal accountability i don't disagree at all i love the patriarchy i think men

03:27:35.140 should lead and us women can focus on painting our nails getting making sourdough starters being moms

03:27:41.540 i think the feminist movement is the only reason that women have to work nowadays because of the

03:27:45.700 dual income and i know no it's not it's not it's not to be pampered no it's the opposite right the the

03:27:50.660 idea so this is the the faux idea of what the patriarchy is supposed to do which is enable you to be

03:27:56.900 a pampered princess it's not but the patriarchy is supposed to do is protect you so that you can fulfill

03:28:01.460 your duties and responsibilities to society and that would including reproduction and uh being

03:28:07.060 matrons for the next generation i literally said be a mom and make sourdough starters that goes hand

03:28:11.860 in hand with being a traditional housewife spread for your family being a pampered princess how is

03:28:16.900 making have you ever made sourdough starters if you think you didn't say sourdough say anything about

03:28:20.980 duty and responsibility you know you said i said i think i said paint your nails make sourdough and be a

03:28:26.580 mother and you get post-it notes be a mother and make sourdough if you've never made sourdough then

03:28:31.380 you don't know how hard it is to keep that thing alive and it's part of like making fresh bread for

03:28:35.540 your family making natural ingredients meals that don't have toxic chemicals in them i think that all

03:28:41.780 goes hand in hand those those those are making sourdough bread stuff like this the ingredients for it

03:28:47.460 with whatever your modern luxuries are they're just that they're luxuries they're gifted they're

03:28:52.340 literally gifted to women by men modern luxuries are definitely women are not gifting women modern

03:28:58.340 luxury that's insane the thing is is that women have a duty and responsibility ethical duty and

03:29:03.380 responsibility under christian ethics to uh multiply to have families to reproduce to they have a duty

03:29:10.900 under christian ethics to raise the next generation correctly and be matrons to young women so that we

03:29:15.300 don't have the problem of pornography and things like this that's all gone so as long as that duty is

03:29:20.740 displaced from society for women and instead the all that's left is why i love the patriarchy as

03:29:26.180 long as they give me a life of luxury we have essentially that's still just as regressive as the

03:29:31.220 idea that um that well egalitarianism is bad and i would prefer the patriarchy uh because i get i get

03:29:38.660 a life of luxury both eat they're equally bad it's an equally bad way to view it i think well i didn't say

03:29:44.100 any of that i think you think i think that because you think you know how women think but it's not oh let's

03:29:49.540 just have the patriarchy and do nothing i'm very traditional really yeah please i'm very supportive

03:29:55.620 of traditional relationships especially like in judaism that's a huge thing and that's something

03:29:59.620 i've always been raised around and if we're talking about you wanted to bring up christianity then in

03:30:04.100 judaism there's a lot where men are the leaders but women are actually holier they have a higher

03:30:10.020 connection to god because of their ability to bring life into this world and everything around that so to

03:30:14.500 me if you want to say that like it's just funny that these old-fashioned what were commodities or

03:30:20.420 just basic necessities actually being able to make bread you had to make your own bread cleaning your

03:30:25.060 home women used to have to make their own cleaning supplies and be like somewhat chemist so i think

03:30:29.700 now it's seen as a luxury to have that time and you know thankfully society has evolved in that front

03:30:34.340 but like i don't know what impression or what made you think that i think that the patriarchy means that

03:30:39.380 we get to sit home all day being a mom started with because we can paint our nails it's called a

03:30:43.700 joke you don't have to be so serious 24 7 you ever heard of a joke i think you'd like well sure sure

03:30:49.140 but i mean have you ever heard of a criticism right so the thing is it's like yeah whether you're saying

03:30:53.060 it whether you're saying it in a joking manner or not right it moves to the point that i'm saying which

03:30:57.940 is that in modernity women seem to have a massive sense of entitlement including the ones who say

03:31:04.660 well i'm a traditionalist it's like really are you are you looking for somebody who can provide you for

03:31:09.140 a life of luxury that's the question and usually when you get to the nitty-gritty of it when you

03:31:13.620 look at what modern women want they want a life of luxury and a man who can provide it i don't hear

03:31:18.500 them really talk about their duties and responsibilities like what is your duty to

03:31:22.580 society do you have one yes i've said like no no hers yeah i said maybe 50 times that i think being

03:31:29.700 a mom is the best thing you could do but this is why and even though we have a duty to be one i okay

03:31:34.660 even though we're both conservatives like that's my ultimate goal in life i think above any

03:31:37.940 career or anything being a mom and having a family i've literally this is not something you

03:31:41.860 have to suck out of me i say this on my social media every day but this is why i have a problem

03:31:46.020 with despite us both being conservatives this is something that i think for your own sake if you

03:31:50.740 really want to have impactful messaging and like continue to have people who made me disagree i don't

03:31:54.900 disagree with you on most things but even you like to actually listen to what you're saying a lot of

03:31:59.780 times when like people on the far right or i don't think you're far right but i do think that

03:32:04.980 on our side of the aisle you can very clearly tell that the way you're speaking of it from a

03:32:09.140 place where like you genuinely have disdain or hard feelings towards women it's not from a place

03:32:14.180 of like i love women they're so amazing we need to support them make them mothers we need to let

03:32:18.260 them like we need to protect women at home you're like what's your duty to society that doesn't

03:32:22.580 sound like a mature man at all and like why do you think why do you think men's job is to kiss

03:32:27.700 your ass my job isn't to kiss your ass who said kiss my ass i said to actually want women to be

03:32:32.500 mothers because you want to protect them i think you're disdainful to men i think that you only care

03:32:37.540 about materialism i think that those are the values that you have and you haven't said a word about

03:32:41.780 duty but yet at the same time your criticism to me is that if we even have a dispute or an argument

03:32:46.820 suddenly it's disdainful towards all women no i've raised women into the next generation have you

03:32:52.180 no i i've actually done it and so the thing is just like before you make these insane criticisms

03:32:58.340 about what the right should or shouldn't be right maybe you should learn things like oh i don't know

03:33:03.620 basic libertarian economics and laissez-faire even though you have a degree in political science which

03:33:08.420 is fucking insane right i think personally that what you are is a misandrist and a covert feminist

03:33:14.900 in disguise larping as a conservative because that's what okay yeah that makes i think you misunderstood

03:33:21.140 what i was saying i wasn't credit one that's barbaric but two like i've literally to say that i'm an

03:33:26.580 undercover feminist when i've literally gone head-to-head with feminists for five years and

03:33:30.500 all my content and everything i believe and preach preach about let me finish how about that okay let

03:33:35.860 me finish talking i think you misunderstood what i was saying i wasn't linked i wasn't

03:33:40.900 can you shut up for 30 seconds let me talk the patriarchy can somebody mute him

03:33:48.660 just let her finish go ahead deborah it's that loud deborah i think you misunderstood what i was

03:33:54.820 saying as and took it as a personal criticism when i wasn't trying to i wasn't saying as personal

03:34:00.180 criticism i was saying that what you're saying i agree with the majority of what you're saying and i

03:34:05.060 think it would come across better and that this is a disconnect between men and women even on the

03:34:09.700 same side of the political ire people who probably share the majority of how they think society should

03:34:14.500 be run things like that i really do think that i think that this is a broken messaging and i would

03:34:20.260 wish that more people would listen to this message and i think you don't realize listening to it as

03:34:25.780 somebody who does agree that it doesn't seem like it's coming from a place of we should protect women

03:34:30.820 as a society and their best thing that they like not their only thing but women are mothers that's

03:34:37.140 their role in society they're the matriarchs of society and therefore we should protect them we

03:34:40.820 shouldn't force them to work we shouldn't have to have them working nine to fives and being corporate

03:34:44.820 slaves to their bosses who don't care about them and i think the difference is coming from a place of

03:34:49.540 genuinely loving women and understanding their importance to the world and to traditional

03:34:54.660 relationships and traditional values and christianity and everything alike it seems sometimes

03:34:59.700 that the disconnect in the messaging is that it's just coming from a place of like you're a woman you

03:35:03.460 have a duty to do this when rather why do we have that duty like not why do we have a duty aside from

03:35:08.180 the religion but like where does it actually come from why do you truly believe that women should be

03:35:14.020 protected or things like that i just think messaging wise and this wasn't a personal attack i think more

03:35:18.420 people would listen and they should listen it just doesn't seem so much like it's coming off right

03:35:23.700 now from a place of like women should be protected in sports in the workforce in homes and everything

03:35:29.860 alike and that's all i was saying i wasn't trying to personally attack you and if you really think

03:35:34.260 i'm a feminist then that's very hysterical and you have a horrible character judgment great so can i

03:35:40.340 respond now to all that prattle so let me let me just respond and say i think it's hilarious that you

03:35:47.220 say oh i heart patriarchy and the second you're in a conversation with a man the first thing you do

03:35:52.580 is go how dare you speak over me oh i'm a proud strong woman look at how great i am you haven't

03:35:59.060 spoken about duty at all yes absolutely you're a covert feminist the idea here of what you're talking

03:36:04.660 about is just pure tone policing it's pure tone policing i i love your messaging andrew i think you're

03:36:09.380 totally right everything you're saying is completely correct but if you use a different tone and kiss

03:36:13.380 women's asses and package did in such a way that they thought you were kissing their ass they might

03:36:17.780 be more responsive to it that's an opposition to what i want in society what that does is it curtails

03:36:22.820 truth what that does is it makes it so that you can't actually deliver a message in its proper context

03:36:27.860 its proper form because somebody might take offense that is the opposite of what conservatives should be

03:36:33.620 doing and it is the opposite when you see conservatives doing that that you see work case in point

03:36:39.300 donald j trump donald trump wasn't sugarcoating anything he called women ugly dogs he called women

03:36:45.300 fat he called them obnoxious he called them all sorts of things and he's the president of the united

03:36:49.860 states right now and women uh in lieu actually voted for him this time around so the thing is

03:36:55.060 it's like all this pc politically correct woke fucking nonsense of andrew you must correct your tone

03:37:00.740 because when i attack you i do it in a passive aggressive way and when you talk to me you talk to

03:37:05.380 me directly uh i think it's bullshit it's nonsense i think you just take everything i say put it

03:37:11.220 through a weird machine and then like spew it out and think i said something completely yeah i never

03:37:16.260 said oh my god you're talking over me this is highlights exactly what i think strong woman

03:37:22.340 this is what i think i think you just don't like women and that your desire for women's to this

03:37:27.140 doesn't come from a place of you genuinely loving and caring about women and thinking that women are

03:37:31.140 special you can read my heart the way that you're talking to me you think that i had to freak out

03:37:34.900 and said your time i mean you won't let me get five words out it doesn't matter if i'm a woman or

03:37:38.660 you're a man it's called a debate and a conversation and if you're not letting the other person get five

03:37:42.260 words out it doesn't matter about our gender it matters i don't know why you think that's crazy for

03:37:46.180 me to ask you to be quiet while i respond to something that you said or let me talk for

03:37:50.260 10 seconds without jumping over me when we can only hear one person at once that's not and of

03:37:54.660 course you attribute that to me being a woman freaking out but really just asking you to shut the

03:37:59.780 fuck up for a second i'm gonna look right right i'm gonna like you're gonna hit me with i heart

03:38:05.460 patriarchy until the patriarch until the people who you would consider patriarchs are speaking to you

03:38:11.140 and then suddenly the patriarchy should be disrespected you should talk over it you should

03:38:15.060 be able to do whatever the hell you want right so the second the second we come into this we find out

03:38:20.420 that no your true nature is revealed very quickly it's just another entitled like tp usa girl right

03:38:27.540 spewing a bunch of nonsense and trying to pretend that you're a conservative you're larping larping

03:38:33.220 as a conservative covert feminism okay griper this is i mean we're talking about marriage right

03:38:41.300 why are you calling me a griper because this is like you're everything you just said like

03:38:47.220 i i literally it's just so obvious like do you want to re-watch what you just said you're telling me

03:38:52.100 because i didn't because i asked you to be quiet while i was saying something because you wouldn't let me get

03:38:56.900 a word out that means that i'm a fake feminist and because you're a man that i should shut up and

03:39:01.540 just listen to everything you say and say yes sir absolutely i know a ton of leaders who are patriarchs

03:39:06.580 who are much better men than you are and i don't know who you are personally but i'm saying as you're

03:39:10.500 acting now i would never subscribe to you as a leader but that doesn't make me a feminist that makes

03:39:14.500 me understanding of how great men can be and i don't think this is a shining example and i don't think

03:39:19.300 everything you say is good actually i think strong men should lead us and if i had to make that choice

03:39:24.500 about you i don't think i would be in favor of it but i think strong men protect women and they

03:39:28.820 care about women and good luck to you this is actually perfect so the idea here is actually

03:39:35.220 that you're the leader see so the idea here is wait a second wait a second i get to determine who

03:39:40.420 leads who i get to determine where they lead them i get to make all those determinations after all

03:39:45.620 andrew if you were some kind of leader i'd never follow you the idea here just moves into the regressive

03:39:51.460 notion of feminism it is all the responsibility with none of the authority when authorities exercise

03:39:56.740 the very first thing you do is rebel against it so very first thing you do is rebel against it and

03:40:01.300 so the thing is it's like we can see this pattern over and over and over again with all of the larping

03:40:06.340 conservative chicks first thing you do is call me a griper the hell does griper ideology have to

03:40:10.740 do with andrew wilson's ideology nothing complete straw man right made up because you were looking for

03:40:15.780 a way to insult me you didn't know what else to say so that's what you said okay griper it's like

03:40:20.500 you're not trying to insult me by calling me an undercover feminist larping i just let you talk

03:40:27.540 now i can't now i can't respond so anyway so so moving back into this yeah it just seems like

03:40:33.460 total incomplete covert feminism it's exactly what i expect anytime i argue with one of the faux

03:40:39.300 conservative babes online it's always the same thing the second you get to the heart of it it's we

03:40:44.660 women should be protected women should be should have their asses kicked kissed right but men should have

03:40:50.340 the responsibility with none of the authority so like here let me give you a demonstration of this

03:40:54.260 if i'm wrong do you think women should vote yes should they be able to vote to send men to war

03:41:00.980 you mean voting on a draft no just voting period if you vote i think women should be able to vote right

03:41:06.820 yes yeah so send men and and uh are you eligible to be drafted i never registered for the draft but that

03:41:14.900 is a position i know i that's a i know because the era never passed and that's a position i've held

03:41:20.260 that as an american citizen who has a right to vote i think that women even though as a society i don't

03:41:26.180 think it would be helpful to send women to war i understand my duty as an american that if america

03:41:31.540 was in a war tomorrow and they said you're an american we need you to fight this is my country i want to

03:41:35.060 defend it but you say that i'm attacking you but you called me a fake conservative you said i'm an

03:41:39.380 undercover larp feminist what makes you think of them fake conservative what does that even mean i

03:41:44.100 have ideologies how can i be a fake conservative when i've lived my life by the ideologies right now

03:41:49.460 and how what made what that that if you say if you say for instance that there should be egalitarianism

03:41:54.660 women should vote equal to men's vote but women cannot be drafted and thus can vote to send men

03:42:00.100 off to war you're actually giving yourself a position of privilege in society that men do not have

03:42:05.940 since this is the case that you that you accept that there's privilege that that uh women have

03:42:11.940 that men on the other hand do not have you say for instance wait a second i think it's my duty to get

03:42:18.180 drafted they're not going to send you to the front lines to fight it's ridiculous they never would

03:42:22.260 our army would get crushed so that that doesn't even make any sense so you're pissed hang on hang

03:42:26.980 on i'm almost done i just let you talk that's not okay that first of all it's not a conservative

03:42:31.940 principle makes no sense at all right and again this is the idea of men responsibility absent

03:42:38.980 authority absent authority it's still taking away authority if you really wanted men to be an

03:42:43.860 authority why would you advocate women vote that makes no sense because i love voting and i think

03:42:51.140 women should vote because you love voting because i'm an active member of society okay

03:42:56.100 because i want to andrew because i want to well this is what i mean when you take what i say

03:43:03.300 and you put it this is why i called you a grover too you don't think women should vote

03:43:06.900 you take what i say and you put it through a ringer when i it's not conservative to say that i would

03:43:11.140 defend my country if we went to war because i agree with the values of american values and i think that's

03:43:16.020 worth defending if it were to come to war but at the same time i don't think women it's a mark of a

03:43:21.540 good society where women and children are protected and they're not sent to the front lines like they're

03:43:25.540 doing in ukraine right now there have been a lot of women who've been drafted there are situations

03:43:28.900 like that that makes me a fake conservative yeah i don't think there's been not drafting they were

03:43:33.860 asked they were trying to recruit women because they've been running so low on soldiers

03:43:37.860 can you mute okay i okay i just knew tell me you know i just want to answer to my question

03:43:42.900 if what's your question when you take everything i say and flip it around if you really want

03:43:46.660 to have the authority and women to to be the followers and men the leaders men actually have the

03:43:51.940 authority why do you advocate for women to vote can you actually tell me that is women not voting

03:43:57.460 going to suddenly make is that going to take away every single woman from a powerful position in this

03:44:02.420 entire country because we're talking reality we're not talking in floofy land where anything can happen

03:44:07.300 right now why do you so why do you think women should not have the right to vote

03:44:11.060 why do you think i just told you i just told you so if you advocate that men have the responsibility

03:44:18.180 right but they don't have the authority which i think you're advocating for it's a progressive

03:44:22.420 feminist viewpoint if it were true that you wanted men to have the authority right and the

03:44:27.620 responsibility then you would advocate only they voted and not women can you actually give me an

03:44:33.460 argument any argument at all for how that doesn't logically follow it doesn't line up with the original

03:44:40.340 land owning and everything that was said in our constitution to provide voting rights the fact that

03:44:44.020 women can own their own lands right now what women couldn't vote women i know and when we changed

03:44:50.020 and gave women the right to vote i think that was a good thing i think it got more women involved and

03:44:53.700 i think this ideology of yours and again why i called you a griper is because the majority of

03:44:57.940 reason why far-right men do not want women to vote is because women tend to vote liberal i voted

03:45:02.420 conservative across the board i voted republican in every election but i'm not going to defend my values

03:45:07.540 that i know near and dear to my heart and the candidates that i've worked for including rob

03:45:12.980 astorino i was on trump's team on his coalition of jewish voices across the board i've helped

03:45:18.340 republican candidates get elected so i don't really care what you have to say whether you think i'm

03:45:22.100 big or not that's not an argument can you can i actually get an actual argument from you here's

03:45:26.100 the argument no that's my response to you and i actually want men to have authority authority and

03:45:34.340 responsibility and women to follow that authority and not have responsibility why would you advocate women

03:45:42.100 voted that makes no sense can you give me an actual argument the strongest response for this time is

03:45:47.700 that the men right now you know the old saying where good times create strong men strong or whatever

03:45:53.380 it is good times basically create weak men and i think we're in that time zone right now where if

03:45:58.420 we were in the george washington are you gonna let me finish thank you go ahead go ahead if we were

03:46:03.620 at a time where masculinity was very prevalent i think we this is a large issue where you have a

03:46:08.260 sassy man apocalypse we don't have men understanding what it means to actually be men i think that if

03:46:13.620 we were in a time zone where men were strong true leaders then we can go to that but when we have men

03:46:20.100 out here who are soy boys they don't want to speak up they support abortion they think that they're

03:46:25.300 they should just listen to whatever their wife should do they don't actually think that a woman has

03:46:29.060 a value they think that the woman they should be a stay-at-home dad a lot of things like that i think

03:46:33.060 at this point in society that if we just handed it over to the men the men are having a lot of

03:46:37.060 problems too we can talk about lowering testosterone levels and everything across

03:46:40.500 hiring levels of anxiety and depression across the board and i think it doesn't make me a fake

03:46:45.060 conservative to say that i think there are good men male leaders out there much better than you could

03:46:49.300 ever be and if you think you're compared to donald trump that's funny women need to lead

03:46:54.980 women need to lead and usurp men's authority that was literally what you just

03:46:59.300 i can't believe you said that i literally can't even believe grandpa's generation

03:47:02.980 believe it bitch deborah deborah i'll let you respond there's been a we have a we'll get i'll

03:47:08.500 let you guys get right back to it i promise i need to let a couple chats come we'll get right

03:47:14.740 back to you donated two hundred dollars thank you when andrew asked the women to raise their hands if

03:47:20.820 they think they're the prettiest you mumbled under your breath after making a face like you might raise

03:47:25.860 your hand i am not going to half i believe that he's talking to me but what i said is that i'm not

03:47:34.340 going to do that because i was raised with manners and i just think that it's not respectful to other

03:47:38.900 people to boast about looks or try to say that you're better than anybody in a group even if that's

03:47:43.380 a social experiment i just don't think that's respectful two hundred dollars thank you we can see

03:47:48.260 your inflated ego of self you lead with nails and coloring because you are a pampered princess

03:47:54.580 you enjoy standing on your soapbox and casting stones but you're the exact what you criticize

03:48:00.260 there's one more coming after this but uh your quick response to that if you want

03:48:04.260 i lived in the middle east i've survived rocket attacks i've survived drone attacks i have volunteered

03:48:09.380 with widows and warriors and people who are amputees and victims of war across the world i i don't know

03:48:15.700 that's my response kiss my ass all right uh winged winged underscore jaeger 93 donated two hundred

03:48:22.900 dollars being a long time silent watcher of your content brian keep up the great work andrew spit

03:48:31.540 that fire yeah i would like i would like just real quick and i'll move it right back to you but

03:48:37.460 just so you know what you just said literally was that the reason that women need to vote is because

03:48:42.420 we need to usurp authority from the men in society right now because they're too weak to have it that

03:48:47.380 was your actual argument that that i can't actually believe it but you actually made that argument

03:48:53.860 i wasn't listening to the first half i was making sure i wasn't well here i'll i'll go ahead and

03:48:57.620 reiterate well okay hold on no no stop stop stop we can debate on piers morgan this is a dating podcast

03:49:02.500 okay first off sounds like you're it sounds like you're scared i kind of let them stop it sounds

03:49:07.460 like you are hold on now i need to address this bullshit here this woman's trying to accuse me of

03:49:12.660 like i let it slide the first two times you were not fucking like chase mistakenly put a zen in your

03:49:22.100 drink i i object to you trying to frame that even if as a joke that he was like trying to drug your

03:49:29.220 drink now you're actually trying to there's like a little bit i was just checking have you ever had

03:49:34.740 water that have you ever had fucking water that has some bubbles in it it's not bubbles it was just

03:49:40.100 something on the top see after i poured water into her drink i poured some of it into mine too

03:49:45.620 let me make a disclaimer absolutely ridiculous you would never drug anybody on the show i when i say zin

03:49:51.060 i'm don't that's not like a way to drug people it was literally just somebody i poured i had a bottle

03:49:57.140 of water next to me i poured some into yours then i poured some into mine there's nothing

03:50:01.380 been weird it was a thing about him there was nothing disgusting accusation if you think i'm

03:50:06.180 saying it like that then i'm sorry that you took it like that there was just some weird

03:50:09.700 shit floating on the top and last time somebody accidentally spat in my cup so i wanted to double

03:50:13.700 check that there was nothing in there and i wasn't even it's a trauma response it's a it's a

03:50:18.100 costco there was shit floating in my cup it's not crazy to say what is that i don't think you're

03:50:22.660 drugging me you're not that kind of person maybe you backwash maybe you backwash i hadn't drank in

03:50:27.140 from it yet so that's why i was just it could have been shit in my cup it doesn't mean i don't know

03:50:31.220 why you're getting so upset brian because you stopped the oh what's what's this and then you're

03:50:36.020 saying but well before we continue let me make sure that no i didn't hear what he said drug my

03:50:40.740 fucking drink i didn't say drug it i said i was looking what was in it because he was saying

03:50:44.820 something and i couldn't just but i need to clear up the air that you're you're the implication here is that

03:50:49.300 i don't think zin is drugging somebody and it's not there was no zin there was no implication that

03:50:54.260 you put it in there it could have already been my cup there was just something floating at the

03:50:57.620 top and you were sitting next to me so i said what do you think that is yeah even poured it in

03:51:01.700 there i was just what is that here for the girls who saw me pour the water did you also after i

03:51:06.580 poured the water into the cup no one thinks you poured anything in my cup brian it's that there

03:51:10.740 was something floating it could have fallen from the sky i could have turned to her

03:51:13.620 quick trauma response too far back it was literally just asking a hair could have been floating

03:51:17.940 there i would say what do you think that is i don't think you poured it in there just the way

03:51:21.300 you were framing it seemed i don't think i don't think that would well i'm sorry that if you felt

03:51:26.580 that i don't think you would ever do that that's it was just don't you love apologies like that like

03:51:30.820 i'm sorry you feel that way because i didn't mean it like that at all and i'm sorry if it offended you

03:51:35.140 and that you thought that i framed you in that light because i wouldn't i don't think you would

03:51:38.020 ever do that to anyone over even the the hint of an accusation like that so like i know for women

03:51:44.820 you guys can just kind of like you live in la-la land because you have no fear of being falsely

03:51:49.780 accused of anything but men's whole careers can be ruined by even the hint of a accusation

03:51:57.620 so like yeah it's no big deal for you but for us men we take that really seriously i can

03:52:02.500 understand case i didn't mean to interrupt that but if you guys want to continue well i just want

03:52:06.260 out we can i want to close that out that i understand that i think that's horrible for the record

03:52:12.340 nobody has ever drugged me or whatever tried to drug me on this somebody accidentally spit in my

03:52:16.020 cup last time and i just was asking not because i thought you poured anything in it i just saw

03:52:20.260 something floating in my cup that looked like dirt or whatever it might be and i didn't want to chug

03:52:24.500 it if it was go get your own water next time like i was trying to do you a favor i was pouring

03:52:28.340 your own fucking water just go get it had nothing to do with you pouring the water this is the most

03:52:32.180 ridiculous thing i've ever heard in my life again i understand that men can be extra cautious about it

03:52:38.340 and i won't make any more jokes about it but it wasn't even a joke i genuinely saw something

03:52:42.900 floating in it and it had nothing to do with zins i just wanted to know and he was talking so i made

03:52:47.060 a joke i don't know everybody's so fucking sensitive on this show but next topic next topic i'm not i'm

03:52:52.660 not sensitive i i would just very quickly i'm almost almost i i mean i would i would just like a very

03:52:59.540 quick answer to this i'm sensitive i'm gonna get a fresh glass of water before because i don't want

03:53:03.460 anybody to be upset about anything so there's a glass of water i know but um apparently this is

03:53:08.420 a bad water so i'm just how is it how is it a bad water wow now she just this is ridiculous now she's

03:53:20.100 just gone and tossed the water there was nothing in there's there's nothing in your cup there's

03:53:29.060 nothing in your cup can we by the way i trust you but let me just dump the water oh my god

03:53:34.740 absurd never had this happen on the show let's do something else okay well you need to be very clear

03:53:40.900 and like walk back and like just making an affirmative statement on this

03:53:48.500 i'm not gonna allow myself to be falsely accused and i come to the next podcast

03:53:53.380 there was bubbles of some sort not in concern of a drug way i saw a little fuzz piece floating in

03:54:02.500 my cup and i turned to anyone normal and would go what is that it could have been from beforehand

03:54:08.020 i just had curiosity and i did not mean to implicate that it had anything to do with you pouring me the

03:54:13.140 water or any of your actions i was just asking anybody like i would hear what their humble opinion

03:54:18.980 what that was and that's all and it's gone and i got fresh water not because i was concerned but

03:54:23.860 because maybe there was dirt in my cup from when i first got the cup and i just wanted a clean cup

03:54:27.860 now so there's that no one's jogging me nobody's doing anything it's cleared up and i'm sorry not

03:54:37.220 that if you felt that way but i'm sorry if i framed you in that light because that was not my intention

03:54:43.540 is that okay next topic yeah no we're yeah we're good i'll clear it up before i would just actually

03:54:50.980 like an answer to this just just very briefly wait she said i want to make sure i'm not getting zinned

03:54:55.860 again okay i'll be charitable you were making a joke um all right go ahead andrew i i would just i'd just

03:55:01.620 like to finish this just because i i do want to know uh the i i want you to realize that the argument

03:55:07.860 that you just made to me and this is why this is why i think that so many women who are in the

03:55:12.340 position you are a covert feminist because the argument you made to me is that we can't turn

03:55:16.020 the responsibility over to men for voting because they're too weak this in turn is actually saying

03:55:21.460 that women need to have authority that's what your actual argument reduces to do you understand that

03:55:27.540 no matter what i say you're just going to tell me what you think i am and what you think i know so i

03:55:31.300 think that at this point it'd be best if we just moved along because you're clearly not genuine no my

03:55:36.340 response is that whatever i say i could say the sky is blue you're like and she thinks the sky is

03:55:40.260 freaking pink so i think it's better to just move on and involve the other guests who have been

03:55:44.580 traveled here from far away to be a part of this conversation that was my response you can take it

03:55:49.700 or you can cry about it you're not going to answer i think that everybody else is here to be a part of

03:55:53.700 a dating conversation there are a lot of topics and situations that people came here to talk about

03:55:58.740 we're already four hours into this podcast i think we've taken enough time from everybody else and

03:56:04.500 we can do our own situation about this and it is to just answer the question that's my response

03:56:10.020 if you don't like it that's on you so so you can't answer to the question of why you just said that

03:56:15.300 women need to have authority like i don't know i don't know why you won't respond to that one at a

03:56:20.660 later date or so like square up yeah if we want to have a one v one that's a we can definitely discuss

03:56:27.300 that okay okay but here's the thing if that's the case then give us a date and hang on that's

03:56:32.580 fair that's fair but can you actually commit right this second that you'll actually do the debate

03:56:38.740 because here's what i think will happen i think that you'll say sure i'll do a debate and then the

03:56:43.300 second you're off the show you'll back out in 15 seconds so can you make a firm commitment here

03:56:47.780 on the whatever podcast you'll actually do a debate with me one v one i can make a firm commitment to

03:56:52.660 you that i am that i am open to doing a debate to you we have to see what the logistics are but

03:57:00.580 i would be open to debating you maybe i don't know i'm not on whatever podcast i leave la yeah

03:57:05.300 i'll go to pierce morgan debate you there too it doesn't matter where

03:57:08.900 that i mean we can be open to i i'll host i just don't live in california so

03:57:13.700 i don't know where i live in michigan but i would fly out specifically to do a one

03:57:17.860 v one the thing is it's like i just want a commitment an actual commitment you'll actually do

03:57:21.780 everything depends on that yeah we can arrange for that the crucible wants to see it so

03:57:30.980 all right um good talk guys that was really good all right date do you want to do a date or like

03:57:40.420 maybe january january or something or oh you want to do january or um february probably closer to

03:57:47.300 february because i have the inauguration and i have a ton of weddings in december

03:57:51.860 and yeah closer to febs all right that was really cool we have a chat here from lucas

03:57:59.540 uh 100 stop tone policing your message packaging sucks and has no rest your message no resonance with

03:58:07.140 any patriarchal man i have no interest whatsoever in any form of whitewashed hypersanitized

03:58:12.740 squishy gynocentric messaging messaging thank you lucas i do appreciate do you want to respond to

03:58:21.060 lucas or okay lucas sounds good all right and okay this is below the threshold thank you for that man

03:58:28.980 okay all right uh we're gonna get into the questionnaire finally finally get into the questionnaire here

03:58:35.300 starting with cali cali you uh disagree so you said it's not fine or you disagree that it's fine to

03:58:44.180 ask a woman her body count on the first date why is that i just think it's a weird question

03:58:51.540 um i just i don't think it's it's relevant um i couldn't tell you my body count because i don't care

03:58:58.580 that much like to ever have counted it in my head and held that as something that's important to me

03:59:05.860 so and uh who else i think a few other people circled the that it's uh you disagree that it's

03:59:13.940 fine to ask a woman her body count on the first date who else i disagree that's um very inappropriate

03:59:19.860 to ask you know it's none of the men's business of what the woman does you also disagreed

03:59:24.100 it does with her body you know tanya you also agree disagreed who's yes baby girl yeah i'm into

03:59:32.340 the mic if you can and then deborah you also disagree i didn't disagree i half circled that

03:59:38.420 because i think it was a little bit more nuanced i think it's valid for people who have a hard cut off

03:59:43.780 like i personally have asked people that question on a second date a man because like i would never

03:59:48.980 even not even marry i would never even go on a third date with somebody who had sex with more

03:59:54.420 than like 50 women 100 women things like that so i totally respect on that front but i think the

03:59:59.060 first date aspect to it is just a little strange because you don't really i mean maybe for you you

04:00:04.820 know after a first date but i think usually after a first date you know if you like the person but to

04:00:10.100 know if that's somebody that you really want to commit to and get to know when i think first date

04:00:13.700 should be fun and light and like two hours and then the second date a little bit more serious so i just

04:00:17.700 thought it was a little weird on the first date but i think it's a valid question and like i never

04:00:21.540 asked my boyfriend my ex-boyfriend what his body can we've been together for six years because it

04:00:25.140 doesn't matter what he did before me you know and and going to you uh so emily you also disagreed uh

04:00:32.260 why do you disagree with that because same like if it happened before you i don't think it's necessarily

04:00:38.740 your business as long as you're being like safe with it you know if they're asking for the concern of

04:00:44.500 like stds that's why they want to know how many people you slept with you know what if it wasn't

04:00:49.140 about stds then why is it your business you weren't part of the picture anything from here on out with

04:00:55.620 you in the picture involves you but so your past doesn't matter yeah who who agrees with that past

04:01:01.460 does not matter agree agree so you got would you guys date um i mean it depends what kind of past you

04:01:09.300 have like you know if you're like a porn star then no i'm not well i was like not gonna date

04:01:14.340 wait what but hold on if the man's a porn like if he was a previous porn yeah what's wrong with that

04:01:18.100 then well because he's been with a lot of women i wouldn't feel safe so his body count well i just

04:01:24.900 wouldn't feel safe with the guy who had a lot of like yeah but it's it's none of his business right

04:01:29.140 or sorry none of your business right just because you're in porn doesn't mean you have a high body

04:01:33.300 count there's usually isn't that what it does i know people that have higher body counts i mean

04:01:40.020 they've never been in porn but that doesn't mean that porn not porn stars don't generally have sex

04:01:45.700 with multiple people let me make this really simple do you think comparing the average male porn star

04:01:52.020 to the average male who's going to have a higher body count typically a porn star but sometimes they're

04:01:58.020 not it's not right but that's the exception yeah yeah yeah right okay yeah uh so okay um

04:02:05.940 so past doesn't matter so let's say uh would you want to know if a pre a current partner ever cheated

04:02:13.700 on somebody oh yeah obviously their past does matter all of a sudden and a little bit oh wait oh i got a

04:02:20.020 really good question on this who just curious who said past doesn't matter it was you none of their

04:02:24.660 business no body count is not their business but i definitely think like past exes past relationship

04:02:30.900 behaviors like that yeah i got a perfect question for you uh so it was it just you two who have this

04:02:36.340 position past shouldn't matter it doesn't matter yeah um would you date a guy who's had homosexual sex

04:02:42.180 no why not because that would be kind of fruity right but okay and then would you date a man who's

04:02:48.260 had sex i want a straight man yeah my preference is just a straight man no he's straight but he's had

04:02:52.660 sex with a man that means he's not straight okay fine i'll i'll leave the grant he's bisexual

04:02:57.380 no no my preference is not a bisexual man yeah but he he's met you he's no longer dating men anymore

04:03:05.060 and he hasn't dated as long as he's not gonna go have sex with any other men no but he's been

04:03:10.340 personal preference i would not it still wouldn't bother you and he changed his mind yeah like if you

04:03:15.300 like macho man who are like curious so like a year before he dated you he was getting plowed in the

04:03:20.100 ass by no okay at least you're honest yeah my preference would be no no but he he's done totally

04:03:27.380 done with men still no yeah i just kind of maybe like wish he hadn't told me that because it's like

04:03:37.460 okay so he told you it it's the truth of what happened would it be an issue um moving forward he's

04:03:45.860 completely done with it then no would it give you the ick yeah so would you even date a guy like

04:03:53.220 that i mean it's like is he thinking about me having sex with guys in the past that would give him

04:03:57.940 the ick too just like don't think about that it has nothing to do with you no but i don't care about

04:04:01.460 him i'm talking about you yeah i wouldn't think about it either as long as it's never going to

04:04:04.820 happen again then i guess experiment once he decided he didn't like it okay so the way that y'all

04:04:11.060 feel about you being with a man who fucked another man that's how we feel about you guys

04:04:19.140 fucking other guys fucking other men all right what if someone lies about being closeted like they

04:04:24.340 say they're completely straight but doesn't that make you fruity if you sorry repeat the question

04:04:31.060 again i'll try to engage you okay okay for example i dated someone for like six months and they told

04:04:37.780 me they were actually like i caught them in the act of sucking dick oh now like what do i think

04:04:44.820 like i'm traumatized because i thought this guy was straight is that count as is that count as he

04:04:51.780 slept with other men in the past or like and i'm at fault for that or is that his fault for not being

04:04:55.940 honest i don't know um i just want a real man that doesn't do that stuff is that so hard to find

04:05:01.220 nowadays but okay sounds like i need to go to therapy after this me too emily and deborah you guys

04:05:09.380 said you disagree that men are the the thing is men are not insecure for caring about the woman's body

04:05:15.220 count you both disagreed why is that i circled it you did circle it deborah i disagree meaning i do think

04:05:21.220 he's insecure for caring about body count yeah i think i circled out too huh i disagree meaning i do

04:05:27.300 think it's insecure to care about body count do you know what disagree means what was the statement

04:05:34.740 men are not insecure for caring about the woman's body disagreeing means men are insecure yes yeah and

04:05:40.980 i disagreed with that statement meaning men are insecure for worrying about body count right yes

04:05:46.900 that's that's saying men aren't men are not why do you think that do you know the definition

04:05:54.340 yeah she thinks men are insecure for it yeah i disagree with the statement meaning yes men are

04:05:58.820 insecure for thinking that for being concerned about that okay right yes okay okay all right

04:06:09.060 i guess i also circled it but not for the same reason i don't think insecure is the right word for it

04:06:14.980 necessarily i i don't think it makes them insecure i just think i don't know why i disagree with that

04:06:22.180 i just feel like insecure is a weird word to use to describe that i think both people partners in

04:06:27.460 a relationship should have some level of concern at all or they don't that's fine and then they would

04:06:32.980 be a good match for each other but i think it's very normal and healthy to have some concern about

04:06:38.580 that what for bonding you know because it makes it harder to bond with people but insecure is just not

04:06:43.460 i wouldn't call a man insecure for being concerned uh and why are men insecure if they care about the

04:06:48.980 woman's body count because like i said why is that any of your business like you weren't part of the

04:06:53.860 picture maybe if you came into my life sooner i met the love of my life i wouldn't have gone around

04:06:58.020 sleeping with this guy that guy would you say that you don't think it's fair like would it not be

04:07:02.660 fair for a guy you tell him your body count and he because of your body count he doesn't want to date you

04:07:09.220 would that be unfair i think that would be insecure insecure so i don't think it's unfair because

04:07:15.460 people have their preferences okay but he would he would be insecure um yeah because why does

04:07:21.940 me being with other men before you're even there like bother you so much are you trying to

04:07:26.660 well it wouldn't it be a mark of security so if the idea is that a person has uh boundaries and

04:07:32.420 preferences and they're willing to enforce those preferences it seems like it's the most secure

04:07:36.900 thing you can do but you can't like base someone's behavior from when they're a single like let that

04:07:43.380 affect how they would act when you're in a relationship because that's when i'm single

04:07:46.980 i wouldn't go sleep around with random people when i'm in a relationship well i mean actually the

04:07:51.620 best predictor for future behavior is past behavior so i mean being single you can say my

04:07:56.260 past behavior in relationships who's the psychology degree person me yeah this is actually like a

04:08:02.260 like a psychological but you can't compare someone being single to them

04:08:05.860 being in a relationship they act two different people i mean i agree with this point i don't

04:08:11.060 think you're making a bad point that uh people can reform and all different sorts of things i'm not

04:08:15.620 even i'm not even disagreeing with that i'm only disagreeing about one point which is the idea of

04:08:20.020 insecurity if you have boundaries on what your preferences are and you're not willing to compromise

04:08:25.620 on those boundaries doesn't that show security not insecurity i feel like you should be secure

04:08:32.180 with your partner knowing that they're with you in the present moment and moving forward they

04:08:35.860 wouldn't repeat the past that doesn't answer my question but i feel like it's double standards

04:08:40.660 let me repeat the question so i make sure that you understand the question

04:08:44.260 if you have boundaries and you enforce those boundaries right how is that not a sign of security

04:08:53.380 it is insecure to be concerned over something superficial that didn't involve you and would not be repeated

04:09:01.380 with this new bond that you're involved in why would you let external factors affect something like a

04:09:08.660 whole different situation i think it's insecure to worry about it's kind of like don't worry about

04:09:13.460 things that are out of your control type of thing like it's kind of insecure to be thinking about what

04:09:17.700 they're doing when you weren't in the picture isn't it insecure to try to make a person compromise on

04:09:23.860 their boundaries for your benefit no because then that's just preference if they don't need to be with

04:09:28.420 me i said i would respect if a man didn't want to be with me because of my yeah but but what would

04:09:32.340 make that instant yeah but the the point here is because why are you so worried about what i did

04:09:36.420 before you like why does that affect you because you're because you're enforcing your preference

04:09:40.420 you're enforcing your preference and your boundaries and so if you enforce your preference and boundaries

04:09:44.500 that seems like it's a sign of a secure person an insecure person would be somebody who would

04:09:49.060 compromise on their own boundaries right but an insecure person is someone who's even concerned about that

04:09:54.340 it's like calling a woman insecure for saying like oh why are you liking her photos on instagram

04:09:58.820 but me being secure is me respecting my relationship boundaries like you shouldn't be liking all these

04:10:03.380 women's pictures okay well let's but they're going to call me insecure for getting upset over them is

04:10:08.100 it insecure to not like let's say that you really loved the chick he thought she was great and then

04:10:12.900 he found out she had genital herpes and so you said okay i'm going to end this relationship because

04:10:17.460 i don't want to be with somebody who has genital herpes is that insecurity no no that's that's

04:10:21.860 bringing a health concern but it happened before it happened before right had nothing had nothing

04:10:27.620 that is something that affects your present partner that is a health concern but all the other hookups

04:10:32.580 before if you never caught anything none of that affects your current partner and you did it safely

04:10:37.380 then it shouldn't really matter yeah sure it's a it's a health it's a health concern right but it still

04:10:41.540 conflates to preference so some people's preferences this health concern wouldn't bother them

04:10:45.860 for other people the health concern would bother them they're just enforcing their preference right

04:10:50.100 well it's just my preference to not have my boyfriend following girls but some people are

04:10:54.340 going to say that's insecure for not letting him interact with yeah i understand that some people

04:10:58.500 would say that i'm not i'm not saying that it's an insecurity that you have boundaries and because

04:11:03.620 you have boundaries you're willing to enforce them that's not insecure that seems like it's a sign of

04:11:08.340 being secure insecure seems to me like a person who's willing to wane on their boundaries

04:11:13.780 or in some way throw them out the window that seems like a sign of insecurity

04:11:18.260 i think insecurity is more not feeling secure enough in your relationship to not be worried

04:11:23.220 about those external factors if you were secure enough you wouldn't be worried about who your

04:11:27.540 partner was with before you or who your partner is interacting with online if you're secure enough

04:11:33.380 with all that i think it is insecure to be worried about those superficial things that do not concern you

04:11:38.500 present might i jump in really quick uh do you think a man would be insecure if he didn't want

04:11:44.580 to date a woman because she had a body count of a hundred no wait can you repeat that but what does

04:11:52.180 that have to do with him this is totally this is totally central to the conversation oh no no oh wait

04:11:59.220 you were answering it what does that have to do with him yeah so okay just so we're clear there there

04:12:04.740 would be no cause and i'll i'll even grant you that there's no stds involved somehow she's she's

04:12:10.820 played russian roulette with her pussy still didn't get an std a thousand men she's been with a thousand

04:12:18.580 men before him still insecure as long as she's not still talking to those men or the nothing's gonna

04:12:26.660 happen ten thousand he's damn she's she's been with ten thousand men before him still insecure

04:12:33.620 what is there to complain about though like is her coochie loose is she concerned is it

04:12:40.340 affecting your health like exactly what what is the problem that's just a matter of like i'll tell

04:12:45.220 you i'll tell you possession and trying to objectify someone and be like oh you're like

04:12:49.300 worthless to me when you've been experienced by other people you you're like stalking who he's

04:12:54.420 following you're that's present that's present moment but what happened before it doesn't matter

04:13:00.020 i bet you still get jealous of the chicks he used to fuck me personally yes i'm insecure i can admit

04:13:06.420 that okay but i would admit that it's an insecure for a man too what yeah but why why would it be

04:13:12.660 insecure if like uh you do realize that men have a revolt factor in them right and for good reason

04:13:19.220 they have a revolt factor for good reason the idea being that uh the less the less men that a woman has

04:13:25.780 been with the more likely that you can secure paternity right so this is the idea the idea is

04:13:30.580 that uh until modern modern times in paternity tests the only way you could determine if a child was

04:13:36.900 yours is if a woman exclusively was having sex with you right there's there was no other way to

04:13:41.780 determine that so it's it's wired into men to have a revolt factor to a woman's promiscuous behavior

04:13:49.620 right it's so it's actually wired in so if that's the case right then the premise here is hey

04:13:55.220 they find it revolting why why would it be a sign of insecurity to to you know for some reason do

04:14:01.620 the thing you thought was revolting that's it just seems the opposite to me but isn't it also like

04:14:07.220 biologically ingrained in women to like find a provider and such like that yes yes i think so so

04:14:17.700 so you would think that they would tailor if they wanted a provider and they knew that men generally tend

04:14:23.780 to find higher body counts to be revolting if women were moving towards that you would think that

04:14:28.660 they would keep their body counts low on purpose right like that makes sense doesn't it yeah yeah

04:14:34.980 but not all men care about that type of stuff and so well that's true not all do not all do but but

04:14:41.380 but the type of men that you would probably want probably care about that kind of stuff right

04:14:46.340 exactly yeah but then there's a type of men who care about what the woman's body count is but

04:14:50.980 totally dismisses what his own body count and that's what the worst that's because women tend

04:14:55.060 to not care about that at all in fact it's the opposite it's very bizarre um and this this has

04:15:00.260 always been a strange phenomenon to me but i've actually seen men who are virgins in their 30s get

04:15:05.700 shamed by women and told well wait there must be actually something wrong with you if other women

04:15:10.900 don't desire you they're like there must be something wrong with you i've actually seen that

04:15:15.860 uh but i don't really see that phenomenon in reverse which is strange

04:15:22.820 like men definitely desire women who have no body count like they definitely desire that but on

04:15:28.020 the every guy wants a virgin don't seem to give a shit too much about a man's body count

04:15:32.660 i don't know some men like their women a little seasoned maybe they're a little more experienced

04:15:37.140 but most of men just want a virgin like so you guys just go they 15 year old then it hasn't done

04:15:42.500 like what why wait wait i don't understand why they why they're not weird for a 40 year old to be

04:15:48.260 a virgin because my brother's a 40 year old and he's a virgin so yeah i think a lot of women would

04:15:53.300 see that as a body count and i have a brother who's a virgin he's 40. what about them i find that kind of

04:15:58.180 weird okay yeah exactly that makes sense well that makes sense right i think that most women would say

04:16:03.540 that's weird that's weird that's odd that's strange that he's 40 and a virgin right that

04:16:08.580 this actually is making my point for me and so what does she do immediately she's like oh well if

04:16:12.740 you want a virgin go find a 15 year what does you what does the big 15 have to do with their virginity

04:16:17.940 like all of this all of that is just a straight up shaming tactic it's it's all shaming tactic to just

04:16:24.980 tell a man it's inappropriate for you to not want a woman with a high body count so that's just insane

04:16:30.020 and actually it's interesting like the 40 year old male virgin is like a lot of women as like the

04:16:37.060 women that would date them in terms of like you know respective age or whatever the women in that

04:16:43.540 age range that's gonna probably be a big red flag for vast majority of women but like somehow there's

04:16:49.540 a 40 year old virgin woman i would argue that she's going to be pretty highly coveted by a lot of men

04:16:56.580 in her own age range they're gonna be like whoa that's rare like a unicorn dude's gonna be looked

04:17:03.460 as a weirdo right yeah dude's yeah dude's gonna be like that's super weird uh so it depends on the

04:17:11.220 reason too like i would be like why are you a virgin at 40 because he lives with his mom he plays video

04:17:16.020 games okay um that's different go out and dating life or something do something do you get in bed so

04:17:22.900 i personally don't find it like any problem with a virgin man at all

04:17:26.260 but at like 40 i would ask like i said i would ask that is sex yeah right but but that's the whole

04:17:32.260 key right there is like you would ask because you think it's weird right you would ask because you

04:17:38.100 think it's weird i mean that's unusual for sure because he could just be like really religious and

04:17:43.620 he just hasn't found the girl i don't know and that's cute i love that yeah also you think it's

04:17:50.020 weird is the point that i'm trying to make the fact that you even think it's odd to begin with

04:17:54.900 is is showing this kind of distinction uh which we're looking at which is that definitely

04:18:00.020 um men are seem to be very happy with women with low body counts and seem to prefer it

04:18:06.660 if they can get one uh whereas whereas women don't seem to care nearly as much about men having

04:18:11.860 a higher body count and i've you know this could have something to do with the penetrative nature

04:18:15.940 of it i'm not exactly sure why but that does seem to be the case i mean i disagree i personally do

04:18:22.260 care like about my man's body count i feel like it's super important for me to know especially

04:18:26.900 because sex is such a like a spiritual thing that in my eyes i feel like you should only share with

04:18:32.340 one person even though i know you guys probably disagree with that but that's just the reason why

04:18:36.820 i would like probably care i would care well i i agree with you that there's many individual

04:18:41.060 women many individual women that would care about this and there's just like uh but but if we're

04:18:46.900 talking about the wide scope of women uh generally speaking they don't seem to care as much about it

04:18:53.540 as men care about it i guess that's the the point that i'm after not that individual women don't care

04:18:58.820 about it because i know tons that do a quick question for you uh you said that i don't know if you said

04:19:06.340 some men or a lot of men they prefer their women more seasoned so like more sexually experienced

04:19:11.300 yeah some of them but yeah i mean so they like to date strippers only fans girls yeah those guys are

04:19:15.860 degenerates but um so i guess my question to you is do you think like realistically speaking

04:19:24.260 do you think when it comes to the sexual experience component uh well i suppose men would like you know

04:19:30.260 a woman who is quote unquote good in bed although uh if you're a man and you know how to you have

04:19:37.460 some degree of sexual experience you can have a pretty stellar sexual experience with an inexperienced

04:19:42.500 woman or even a virgin um do you think most men like if the trade-off is she's a bit she's marginally

04:19:52.340 better in the bedroom or even much better in the bedroom but this this entails that she's

04:19:58.500 fucked 20 additional men before me do you think most men make that trade-off

04:20:04.820 i don't think they think about that like oh she's better in bed oh she's probably

04:20:09.460 fucked more people like it could be she's been in a natural relationship oh but yeah but you gotta like

04:20:17.220 yes i agree with in fact i may argue this point all the time a woman who has a low body count who's been

04:20:23.540 and you've what two relationships right two long-term relationships she's probably better

04:20:28.740 in bed than the woman who's had a hundred one-night stands with a hundred different men and only one

04:20:33.620 men one time i can agree with that because of my relationship so this idea that the higher the

04:20:37.220 body count she's going to be better in bed i doesn't really compute necessarily because she could

04:20:43.300 have had just a bunch of one night stands i said there's some correlation but your whole statement

04:20:48.180 i don't know why you bring that up because your whole statement here is we're talking about women

04:20:52.420 with higher body counts and your position is your argument for like oh men would prefer a

04:20:58.660 woman with a higher body count is because she's more seasoned in other words more sexual experience

04:21:06.740 yeah it's like kind of frustrating like i don't know i'm not saying it's causation necessarily

04:21:14.260 sleeping with more people makes you better in bed but i'm saying that it gives you more experiences

04:21:19.060 like maybe that person's more open sexually they'd be down to have threesomes they'd be down to go to

04:21:23.780 orgies with you whereas a virgin maybe a virgin would not be as open to those sexual experiences

04:21:30.100 but why would why would a guy who's already why would a guy who is already um screening for

04:21:37.140 low body count women why would he want to know i said a woman i said a woman i said guys who prefer

04:21:42.820 a seasoned woman you said why would guys prefer a seasoned woman if necessarily they aren't better

04:21:47.220 in bed i'm saying maybe their sexual preferences and what they're open to so they're a cuck no you

04:21:53.540 said he wants to bring his girl to an orgy no i said let other men fuck her like being with a

04:21:58.820 stripper i'd say she might be more open to using sex toys trying role play trying threesomes but if

04:22:06.500 you were to fuck a virgin maybe she'd be kind of more closed off to those things that's what i mean

04:22:11.060 by more this complicated procedure um look it's different for everyone but again i'll ask the

04:22:18.500 question again because you didn't even give me an answer so the question is do you think most men do

04:22:23.700 you think most men if they get a woman who's a bit better in bed the trade-off being that she's

04:22:32.420 fucked 20 other dudes do you think they most men make that trade-off

04:22:40.100 what what trade-off is happening they're okay with her fucking 20 more people because she's better

04:22:45.540 in bed how can i ask you a question how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning

04:22:49.140 lightheaded okay um so okay she took that she took that round right

04:23:02.740 i are just i could repeat myself i don't know if that will help you understand well what what do

04:23:08.100 you mean by trade-off though he's okay with her fucking 20 more people because she's a little bit

04:23:12.260 better in bed okay so you're saying i think no matter how how she gets good in bed is none of your

04:23:18.420 concern just be fucking grateful that she's with you and she's fucking you good whether she slept

04:23:22.980 with 20 men before you or one guy for a long time like in my case but okay so

04:23:32.180 you're saying your position is that body count doesn't matter and one of the benefits of a woman

04:23:39.860 who has more sex who has more bought a higher body count is she's more seasoned she has more sexual

04:23:45.940 experience and this is going to lead to conceivably better sex so i'm asking you do you think most men

04:23:53.700 are willing to make that trade-off of the woman is better in bed therefore i will accept a woman with

04:24:01.860 a higher body count because she's better in bed yeah some guy wants a certified eater who will make him

04:24:10.100 nut in five seconds or do he want the unexperienced girl who takes an hour to get him off like it's just

04:24:16.100 it doesn't since when is it women who like y'all oh my god okay um

04:24:25.060 so yeah there's men there's like some coomer fucking degen men i yeah i guess who would prefer that

04:24:30.820 um do you think most men who like want a girlfriend do you think that those men who have a girlfriend

04:24:40.020 and if the the girlfriend is not like up to par sexually although it's something that can be

04:24:46.500 worked on and communicated and talked of he would be like you know what i just wish you came better

04:24:53.220 experienced already and the entailment of that is that you've had an additional 20 sexual partners

04:24:58.420 do they make the trade-off no because like i said it's not causation higher bodies does not equal

04:25:05.780 better in bed it's your position your position it oh my god bro your position is that a woman with a

04:25:14.260 higher body count is more seasoned no all i said was it doesn't matter how she became good in bed

04:25:20.100 that's none of your concern that should not be a judgment of character that should not be

04:25:25.460 a defining factor in your relationship i feel like because like i said if there's no health

04:25:29.860 concern if there's no loyalty concern then what is the concern it's a matter of like objectifying

04:25:34.980 someone feeling like they're less worthy because they've experienced more that's just not a good

04:25:39.540 way to value someone um because they've been with more people like what you said it's objective i i agree

04:25:46.900 that sex is like spiritual connections i'm not the type to just sleep around with anybody either like

04:25:51.220 but some people choose to do that with their bodies so that doesn't make them any less of a person or

04:25:55.940 any it makes them less worthy worthy of being a girlfriend or less loyal in a relationship no it

04:26:02.740 doesn't yes i think somebody i'm a yes somebody who has a high body count is going to be deemed less

04:26:11.140 desirable in the sexual marketplace sorry this is this is a metric by which men determine whether they

04:26:18.340 want to be with a woman some men but in the end at the end of the day if she never tells you how

04:26:24.180 would you ever know like that really okay at the end of the day if she doesn't tell you that doesn't

04:26:29.540 change anything in your relationship that doesn't make yes it does any better or less it does not

04:26:33.540 make the love any more or less it does not make her and she's a liar yes it changes more or less

04:26:38.900 promiscuous or loyal in a relationship response because that has nothing to do with the relationship or

04:26:43.860 that specific person okay cool so respond to this you just said if she doesn't tell you

04:26:48.420 okay so if i ask her and she lies about it no i'm saying that it's not the end of the world because

04:26:53.540 that's not a determining factor it doesn't change anything physically in the relationship yeah she

04:26:59.220 lied about it you said you said if she doesn't know i'm saying at the end of the day if you never knew

04:27:03.860 what her body count is what does that change in your relationship i can actually look i'll even give

04:27:08.820 you a scenario where this could be an issue so woman who has more connections with men

04:27:14.820 albeit this is kind of like uh one of the more like niche arguments that can be made a woman who's

04:27:19.940 made more connections with men it's inevitable that she's landed on a fucking crazy dude and if you're

04:27:25.380 involved with a crazy fucking ex then that's an issue for me that can be for girls who don't sleep

04:27:31.460 around with people who have just poor taste in men or just experienced bad men in their life that

04:27:36.580 doesn't equate to high body count either huh that doesn't equate to high body count people can

04:27:40.900 have crazy exes not necessarily but you think the virgin woman who's never had a long-term

04:27:46.500 she can be with an abusive man you gotta stop interrupting the virgin woman who do you think

04:27:52.340 is more likely to have done the the roulette until she's landed on a crazy fuck the chick who's

04:28:00.660 fucked 100 dudes or the virgin who what if the virgin has only ever encountered the one horrible

04:28:07.140 crazy abusive man i can't argue with somebody who just immediately every time goes to like the

04:28:11.620 exception to the rule i just can't even have a conversation maybe a virgin wouldn't know her

04:28:16.180 self-worth or like what else is out there in the dating field to pick better men and the virgin

04:28:21.860 is the one who ends up with those crazy exes because they don't have those sexual encounters

04:28:26.020 okay sounds like me wow that actually makes sounds like me i mean from the from brian's perspective

04:28:32.580 basically you're just saying that the virgin should go out and have sex with more men so

04:28:36.580 that she doesn't end up inexperienced with men she's not having sex with that's what your argument

04:28:40.740 there would reduce to wait you or me me you yeah oh wait what were you saying so what i look i guess

04:28:50.820 what what are acceptable metrics that men are allowed to disqualify a woman on them

04:28:55.540 their past relationships have you cheated on your past partners when you're in like a loyal committed

04:29:00.820 exclusive relationship like have you gone through their phone or you know have you been cheated on

04:29:06.900 those are i feel like determining factors of like past trauma future behaviors in relationships and like

04:29:13.540 telltale signs of like loyalty and such but you shouldn't what is considered toxic to you

04:29:18.340 controlling yeah like um not being respectful of like your opinions and your feelings and your

04:29:25.540 well-being but if your boyfriend was going through your phone and make an argument with you every

04:29:28.420 time he found a new girl on your phone wouldn't you actually like get pissed off oh yeah yeah my past

04:29:33.780 relationship was toxic and that's why my ex broke up with me i'm fully aware of that okay okay and i

04:29:38.020 know i have baggage that needs to be healed i'm not dodging accountability last question on this um

04:29:42.740 do you think that it would be wrong for a guy to not want to date an ex sex worker it's not wrong

04:29:52.020 i think that's just preference too but it's in her past right

04:29:56.740 yeah so i stopped doing it yeah he should be open to the idea of like she's a changed person as long

04:30:02.660 as she won't do that to you it's shouldn't matter what happened in her past it was just her way of

04:30:07.220 making money you know it's not her being disloyal to you or disrespecting you and it won't happen again

04:30:15.060 okay well uh let's see let's get into more of uh the uh questionnaire stuff uh women should go 50 50

04:30:24.100 on a date bridget you disagreed amelia you disagreed uh emily also disagree especially on a first date

04:30:34.500 that's crazy i think deborah disagree tanya also disagree what's crazy um that i'm going on a first

04:30:42.500 date the girl has to be expected to pay 50 50 of the date that you're inviting her on so it's like

04:30:48.420 if you're inviting me out to a date why do i have to pay if you're the one initiating this

04:30:53.540 so whoever asked should pay yeah have you ever asked a guy out on a date no interesting how that

04:30:59.380 works but i would but i would i'm not like saying oh i would never pay or anything like no i have

04:31:04.660 paid for um for guys i have bought them stuff i have been like in that role but i also enjoy on

04:31:09.380 the first date or like you're five years into a relationship i've never five years in a relationship

04:31:13.300 i've never like a first date like offer like oh i'm gonna take care of it don't worry like you have

04:31:18.500 or you have not i have not and i don't think i would i want to see if he's a provider or not if he's

04:31:22.500 actually a man because those are like the the roles of a man am i wrong uh well okay let's i'm

04:31:29.940 interested in going into should claims on this so just show of hands going around the table should

04:31:35.140 men pay for the first date should should for the first yeah into the mics guys yes yes yes yes deborah

04:31:43.380 yes yes i don't agree uh should should women cook and clean yes i do uh should women be submissive

04:31:50.740 yes if the man is leading correctly the woman should be submissive should women um

04:31:57.220 hmm should women shall be submissive demonstrate chastity wait what should women be virgins be

04:32:06.100 virgins yeah yeah yes how many any virgins at the table me okay i'm a born again virgin born

04:32:14.100 again virgin go ahead andrew i was just asking you said if men are leading properly they should be

04:32:20.660 submissive who's going to determine that the man is leading properly does it not say in the torah or

04:32:26.260 bible or wherever you want to reference it as that a woman should submit to a husband who is worthy

04:32:31.300 and loyal and provider biblical value it is because i'm i'm very religious that a man should and that's

04:32:36.580 what i was saying beforehand where i stand by what i said that this generation not for many reasons not

04:32:42.980 only their fault things that came before them the what it means i don't want to speak for men but

04:32:48.900 overall i think if there has been a decline on both sides of gender roles and this is by design

04:32:55.460 in our society to take away gender roles and say that there's no difference between a man and a woman

04:32:59.700 which i vehemently disagree with and overall i think that men should be worthy leaders there's a lot

04:33:06.500 of crazy men just like there's a lot of crazy women but do you have your phone yeah did you not

04:33:11.700 hear the instructions to not be on your phone i never put it back after i showed you what's that

04:33:17.060 i just didn't go back over there okay that's fine go ahead the picture sorry deborah good no it's fine

04:33:21.460 just i mean i stand by what i said which i think that what it comes down to a man who can provide

04:33:26.980 protect and show that he is a strong leader absolutely deserves a woman who can trust him and

04:33:31.540 this is i think a big misalignment within society where i think deep down women really do want to

04:33:37.540 submit to men they want to be able as we say in girl world just turn your brain off when you're on

04:33:41.620 a date you don't be in your feminine power where you're walking and you can really and what i said

04:33:45.860 with the sourdough and nails and stuff like that clearly you don't understand jokes but that's just

04:33:50.100 my style when it comes to speaking i think embracing your femininity women because we've been

04:33:55.540 pushed into the workforce and had to unconsciously or unwillingly take on a lot of the male roles

04:34:01.300 like being the provider being the protectors things of that nature has led women to not

04:34:06.020 be able to embrace their femininity and so i think in a good relationship a man will be able to embrace

04:34:12.020 and flourish in his masculinity and the same with the woman and whatever that means being a homekeeper

04:34:17.060 being a matriarch being a really soft landing space for her husband to land on and a good mother

04:34:22.740 providing that environment okay so my follow-up question to you would just be this then if that is

04:34:28.580 the case and and this is what you believe if you if you actually wanted men to have the authority

04:34:36.100 inside of society and the responsibility why would you advocate that women could vote because i think

04:34:42.500 you keep deleting the most important part of this which is that not every single man right now and at

04:34:50.100 large there is a lack of strong fathers there's a lot of things that lead into and this is not only a

04:34:56.260 male problem there's a female problem too there are a lot of factors that lead into men this is

04:35:01.220 like the man or the bear question if we get to that that i think not every man right now just being a

04:35:07.620 man doesn't inherently make you worthy of being a leader i think that you have to show that you

04:35:13.140 are a leader and this is true across the history of the world every single uh shepherd in the torah

04:35:18.340 in the original book was chosen for a lot of their specific qualities there's a reason why those men

04:35:22.260 were chosen to be leaders same with donald trump there may be other men who share similar qualities

04:35:26.660 to him but there's a reason why he was chose to lead as opposed to any random guy that you can maybe

04:35:31.380 find on the side of the street in la who's cat calling women i think that men who are worthy and

04:35:37.220 live up to what it means to be leaders and protectors and also have kind hearts not softies but just overall

04:35:46.340 good men in my definition of it i think those men are worth leading and i don't think just because

04:35:51.140 you're a man that automatically makes you a perfect amazing leader we've seen that throughout all of

04:35:55.860 society so how is this argument not actually contradictory because you're saying essentially

04:36:02.180 that you need to reduce men's authority because um because you don't think that they're in a good

04:36:08.820 position to lead women you don't think that men in society are good enough leaders and since they're

04:36:12.900 not good enough leaders you need to have authority so that when did i say and sorry to cut you off

04:36:18.340 but i'm saying this is what this is when did i say any of that explaining i'm explaining this is a

04:36:24.020 this is an illogical entailment of your argument if you say to me when i i'm advocating that women

04:36:29.220 be able to vote because there's too many men in society who if we give authority to are going to lead

04:36:34.020 me wrong then you're actually saying that you need to have authority so that you can determine who's

04:36:40.180 a leader who isn't a leader that actually is stripping authority away from men like this is the

04:36:45.140 logical entailment i don't see a way around it no i think you're just taking it how you take it

04:36:49.540 which no matter how i say you're just interpreting it and saying what you want to say i've said a

04:36:54.660 million times logical what's illogical about what i'm saying i didn't say the word illogical you keep

04:37:00.260 taking what i say and then just changing what i'm saying and then saying so you're saying this and

04:37:04.820 then when i say no i didn't say that when did i say we should take power away from men when did i say

04:37:10.020 that we should take power away from men when did i say that once i'm showing you an entail i'm

04:37:14.180 showing you the entailment of the logic here i'll literally break down really really simple here

04:37:17.940 i'll show you so so premise one i don't need you to show me i need you to tell me when i said that

04:37:22.260 because i'm saying what i say and you're telling me what you think i genuinely believe and you still

04:37:27.380 won't address the point but he can talk over me whenever he wants but then if i talk over him

04:37:32.740 it's because i'm a woman who wants to have men removed from society look i've moderated andrew tonight

04:37:37.620 you got to let them finish how many times can you tell me what i think i said and what i think

04:37:41.380 i mean i'm really just gonna keep saying that though okay stop just go ahead andrew so it's just

04:37:47.940 it's just like this just premise one men need to lead okay premise two in order for men to lead

04:37:52.660 they need to have authority premise three women need to vote premise four why this why why do

04:37:58.180 women need to vote they need to vote because men aren't adequately leading so women need to have

04:38:02.100 authority that's the entire syllogism so then the conclusion is men are not capable of leading so

04:38:07.460 women need to have authority so that they can pick the men that need to lead them so it's actually

04:38:11.780 stripping authority away from men i don't i don't know a way around that like i'm literally and you

04:38:17.620 still haven't addressed again that was not what i said i didn't say men need to lead i said they should

04:38:23.940 lead ideal men ideally men should be the leaders of society but i don't think you still won't address

04:38:30.020 15 times over you're telling me what you think i said but you won't address the one point which is

04:38:33.860 there has been a decline in what it means to be a man in terms of masculinity in terms of chivalry

04:38:40.980 everything like that across the board there has been a decline so if you agree with me that men

04:38:46.180 are not and this isn't only a male thing but just speaking about men as leaders that men at large there

04:38:51.380 has been a decline of what men's role in society has been what they feel to be a man and all of that

04:38:55.940 combined means that right now it doesn't mean we should take authority away from men it's the one thing you

04:39:00.580 won't address is that i think we as a society as women as men as americans as whatever should work

04:39:06.980 towards getting back to a place where men and women are more strong and embrace their femininity and

04:39:13.620 their masculinity and i think that will lead us to a better place where women who can embrace their

04:39:18.500 femininity will naturally approach matriarchy they will naturally say wait maybe you know what i

04:39:24.260 actually don't love my corporate job i know a lot of women who have convinced themselves that

04:39:28.100 being powerful and that they need to work for 30 years and make a million dollars and then they'll

04:39:32.420 have kids in their 40s and then i personally don't agree with that and i think that if we as a society

04:39:38.420 get back to a place where originally women were not expected to be in the workforce things of that

04:39:43.060 nature then men hopefully can recover and whatever that means to them and masculinity can become

04:39:49.460 something that means more to them and is not seen as like talk i'm not done toxic masculinity all of that

04:39:55.380 stuff i'm almost done you can wait all that toxic masculinity stuff has taught men are to feel bad

04:40:02.180 about themselves and not embrace their masculinity so i think the most important part of this is not

04:40:06.260 stripping away power from men or saying women are better to lead i think we need to focus on fixing

04:40:10.900 that issue whether it's through strong fatherhood whether it's through stopping this idea that

04:40:15.380 everybody's saying toxic masculinity anytime a man wants to actually act like a man opening the door for

04:40:20.100 a woman and a woman gets offended i think moving away from that as a society will get us to a place

04:40:24.900 where men at large will be better equipped to lead society and it doesn't mean that right now i'm not

04:40:30.180 saying if i really meant it i would say it i'm not having any secret arguments i'm saying what i mean

04:40:34.820 which is the step one i think ideally men should be the leaders and the step to get there is to fix

04:40:40.900 masculinity that's what i'm saying so here so to address you keep saying i want to address this

04:40:46.340 argument but the argument was my premise so the thing is is when you say okay but you haven't addressed

04:40:52.100 what's going on with men in society and the lower testosterone and the fact that they're not leading

04:40:55.780 as well but i actually did there was a premise of my original argument which is the reason that you

04:41:00.180 see a failure in uh men in society is because they have all the responsibility without the authority

04:41:06.580 they have the responsibility absent the authority but i say okay so how do we fix that how do we fix the

04:41:12.420 idea here that you have additional responsibilities without authority that your your premise here is well we

04:41:18.020 need to move back to all of these things which are preambles to women voting by the way that all

04:41:22.740 these things that you're pointing to this is pre-women suffrage and so i go okay well that makes

04:41:28.340 sense so then why is it then that you would say that men right who have this additional responsibility

04:41:34.980 as leaders right you wouldn't want them to have the authority to exercise that responsibility

04:41:40.340 that seems like it's ultimately what you want what's going on is you have an actual internal conflict

04:41:45.780 here the the conflict is i want to be a strong empowered woman while at the same time advocating

04:41:51.380 that there's a patriarchy it's like you can't have both you don't know that hang on hang on i

04:41:56.420 hang on either the patriarchy is empowered with the authority to lead or it is not and if you say it's not

04:42:04.420 empowered with the authority to lead women need to be able to select the leaders you have a matriarchy

04:42:09.940 then not a patriarchy you're how you have a second class that has additional responsibilities women

04:42:14.900 don't have but have a limited amount of authority or equal authority to women that's the opposite of

04:42:19.940 patriarchy it makes no sense you i just don't understand what position or where you're coming

04:42:27.460 from where you consistently think that you know what i actually feel i'm having an internal conflict

04:42:32.420 you don't know anything about my values before the show maybe you follow me i don't know no you're not

04:42:37.380 listening to what i'm saying you're saying the opposite of what i say every single time and that's

04:42:40.900 why it's just so frustrating i have an internal conflict because i want to be an empowered

04:42:44.500 woman you're pushing what you clearly don't like about women onto me somebody that you clearly

04:42:49.540 don't know much about or my path you can happily look through my social media to your arguments and

04:42:54.340 based off of that you are saying that i am clearly a secret feminist who is wants to be an empowered

04:42:59.620 women woman finally said it right for everybody else but you're telling me that based off absolutely

04:43:05.780 what nothing absolutely nothing i'm showing you logic no that's not logic that is you trying to

04:43:11.860 push what you think about women onto me trying to catch me in something you're a logical position

04:43:16.740 when have i what have i said or what have i displayed throughout my life that shows that i

04:43:21.540 want to be an empowered woman where men are on the sidelines and don't have power you are advocating

04:43:26.100 that women vote if you advocate women vote the entailment is women have authority well women can

04:43:32.100 vote hang on hang on i'm answering your question so if the entailment is that women have authority

04:43:36.420 an equal authority to men that's not a patriarchy it's the opposite of a patriarchy that's no longer

04:43:41.140 a patriarchy so if men have additional responsibility right but they only have equal

04:43:46.180 authority then they don't have the authority to lead they don't have the authority to lead because

04:43:50.660 you can negate their authority anytime you want that's the entailment of your logic when you say what

04:43:54.900 have i displayed in my personal life has nothing to do with the logic of your argument it's an illogical

04:44:00.580 argument makes no sense either you want men and a patriarchy so you want men to have the

04:44:04.740 authority to lead and the responsibility thereof or you don't but you can't say but i need to be

04:44:10.180 equal with them in political status for them to lead that's the opposite of your own position makes

04:44:15.060 no sense no i don't live in a fantasy world i live in the current world where women do have the

04:44:19.620 right to vote and if you are advocating for women be losing the right to vote that is something

04:44:24.020 that i don't agree with and i don't know why you think women shouldn't vote if i think men should

04:44:28.900 lead us right now it's not an option in front of me should women not have the right to vote

04:44:33.540 women have the right to vote this isn't the 1800s like a lot of people want us to go back to

04:44:37.940 apparently this is modern history and if you're asking me if i would repeal this no i would

04:44:42.660 absolutely not if i think in an ideal society men should be the leaders of society yes but i don't

04:44:47.380 understand why you think you're catching me to lead how do i want them to leave without authority to lead

04:44:52.340 how well why do you think that the you said it yourself that the only reason the downfall of

04:44:56.820 masculinity and all this stuff is because men don't have the authority to exercise their leadership

04:45:02.100 that's the only reason that men and masculinity has declined that's ridiculous i think that's

04:45:08.100 ridiculous listen it's not all the all the things that you would consider like if i told you to point

04:45:14.260 to a time where you thought men were strong leaders you'd point the greatest generation that my grandpa

04:45:18.340 didn't stop you would you would you would point to pre-suffrage if i asked you when were men better

04:45:22.820 men you'd point to pre-suffrage if i asked you any of these things you'd point to pre-suffrage how do you

04:45:27.300 know you haven't asked me this is exactly what you've been doing the whole time you have this

04:45:30.980 idea when were men better men tell me yeah this answer men better men i'm asking you you want me

04:45:38.740 to ask you i'm asking you when we're but this is why it's just not even like i could go back and

04:45:44.020 forth with you but everything i've said this entire time i give you a solid answer and you flip it and

04:45:49.380 say well you think this you think that because you're just trying to men were men better men

04:45:55.140 just answer please you won't you want to answer you're not going to answer because it doesn't

04:45:59.380 matter what i answer to you you think you know what i believe and you're going to tell me what i

04:46:03.700 actually think despite every other question you've asked me you've had the same reaction

04:46:09.780 and so i just don't think there's any point of me telling you something because whatever i say

04:46:14.820 you brought it up and so i've said a thousand times what i think and you keep telling me i'm

04:46:19.860 on undercover this i really think this or that you a question when okay nice i just when when

04:46:25.780 were men better men can you answer the question i don't know why we need to like do a bunch of

04:46:30.580 emotional outbursts can you just emotional outbursts you called me a covert feminist saying

04:46:34.500 all these personal attacks because i said what that i think women should be giving you decorative

04:46:39.140 statements of fact i haven't personally attacked you at all so the thing is is like just just very

04:46:44.420 quickly can you just tell me when you think men were better men well what's the time period i'm

04:46:49.780 not going to of course not of course not right okay can i do it i can't i can't force her to engage in

04:46:55.700 the uh conversation but uh deborah while we uh get through your uh your notes here um

04:47:04.900 so and we'll get that we'll get everybody on the panel here uh what would you want the

04:47:09.060 minimum yearly income to be for your future husband i wrote this on the chart i said 200

04:47:14.340 000 i'm from new york city so that's a pretty that's not like a crazy number i think in smaller

04:47:20.980 cities you could have less but in new york i think you need to make at least 150 000 to live comfortably

04:47:26.020 between taxes and everything so i think that's a good starting salary where you can be comfortable

04:47:31.140 even on a single income if i would have the pleasure of being a stay-at-home mom one day all

04:47:35.140 right you also said uh or actually let me let this come through before

04:47:41.460 meet the kaiser donated two hundred dollars thank you kaiser dating is hard every time the one girl

04:47:48.020 at the beginning that i say hey she seems nice she's cute always ends up being the one in a thumbnail

04:47:55.060 with andrew the next day this is the kaiser's curse the one girl at the beginning uh oh okay uh

04:48:05.460 kaiser thank you so much for the tts man i do appreciate it and uh i'll let the other chats come

04:48:10.820 through in a bit but uh so how tall are you deborah and what's the minimum height of a man that you

04:48:15.380 would date i am five foot nine and the minimum height for me would be six feet because i am six

04:48:20.820 feet in heels but i have the longest relationship i've ever been in he was actually like five nine

04:48:25.780 and a half because i really do believe in like i'm just one of those people that i can think people

04:48:30.900 are cute when i meet them but i eventually actually get feelings based off their personality and who they

04:48:35.620 are okay uh and then i want to it'd be nice to get everybody back seated at the table here for this

04:48:42.020 one but uh i want to get into the bear thing so but not everybody's here so i have to wait uh while

04:48:48.740 while we're waiting i will let some chats come through we have lucas who's fed you this delusion

04:48:54.820 based on the generally stated metrics i fall in the top five percent i guarantee you that my wife's

04:48:59.780 past sexual temperance was a huge litmus test for me marrying her it's a monster ick for us do you have

04:49:06.180 a response to this well i'm glad that that's your determining factor for who you marry can you take

04:49:15.860 the water off the table please uh and then we have beaten cheeks he says i have an idea how about

04:49:21.620 grifting feminist conservatives like deb stop trying to be argumentative show some respect perhaps

04:49:28.500 you'll be taken serious lower your entitled standards then you'll be happy do you want to respond to

04:49:34.020 beaten cheeks you spelled respect wrong wrong how dare you beat and you've i just think it's funny that

04:49:43.300 people will always try and say oh you're an undercover feminist like haters not genuine people

04:49:48.500 people say you're a feminist you're a fake conservative it's always the extreme far right

04:49:52.580 people who say this because maybe i don't share the exact same version of conservatism as they do and

04:49:58.100 that doesn't change anything about me i just think it's a dumb argument because look at my record across

04:50:03.060 the board i have been doing amazing things for the conservative movement for republican candidates in

04:50:07.540 this country for conservative values in my community and across the world at large so i mean i just don't

04:50:13.380 get personally offended by anybody who doesn't know me saying things about me because that's what being

04:50:18.820 social media person is all about people think they know yeah i happen to actually have a book here

04:50:24.980 he has a book guys it's crazy you can read the secret history of women's liberation written by a

04:50:32.100 um well a wonderful academic um but she goes over the roots of feminism and the contrary positions

04:50:40.180 that feminists will often take and one of the contrary positions which we were just discussing

04:50:45.060 that freaks you out so badly that so you get so emotional you can't even have a coherent conversation

04:50:49.540 about it but what she she's trying to demonstrate is that most of the problems in modernity that you're

04:50:55.540 speaking about are tied to the suffrage movement themselves and she makes a very compelling case for

04:51:00.820 this i suggest you pick up her book it's called occult feminism the secret history of women's

04:51:05.220 liberation it's very good you called me a misandrist but you clearly just get off on putting women down

04:51:11.460 and that's what i just think is silly about this whole situation i've been trying to have a reasonable

04:51:15.780 discussion with you and you've been freaking out the entire time this is exactly like i just i think

04:51:20.660 you're showing your true colors in this sense where what i said in the beginning still stands true

04:51:25.220 you're trying you're an emotional woman you're this you're freaking out when you've had the same

04:51:29.540 response to me and you are so proud to make a woman cry and tell her yeah you should be crying

04:51:34.660 even though i you don't think she should i think the situation was a very bad situation but i don't

04:51:40.100 think oh trying to make somebody cry you want to make the horrific people no i think that that's a

04:51:45.460 bad act but i think as a person who wants to represent godly values just going out of your way to

04:51:50.820 make somebody cry and be proud of that is not a thing to be proud of i think you can get your

04:51:56.020 point across and have somebody come to the light in other ways and if that makes me a fake conservative

04:52:01.220 that i don't think i should go out of my way to attack people with my words that i can use my

04:52:04.820 words to change their mind and their heart she has a man she has a man sleeping in a bed on her

04:52:09.060 floor defender harder go ahead i've never defended it the whole time we had a conversation about that

04:52:14.260 i said multiple things are you gonna let me talk do you see every time i talk you talk over me but

04:52:20.500 then when you talk i have to shut up you talk five times as much as me calm down tell me to calm down

04:52:25.860 please thank you i did you can't be like i'm just going to filibuster the conversation talk for 20

04:52:32.340 minutes and you can have 30 seconds andrew it's ridiculous i've listened to you and i've caught

04:52:36.820 myself it's like relax you could just have the conversation without freaking out it's not any

04:52:41.220 other things you want to say to a woman like that off again cutting me off again you definitely

04:52:46.180 don't need to defend the horrible acts of horrible people i'm not defending i'm condemning you for the

04:52:51.540 way you deliver that i'm not defending your acts whatsoever i said straight up that having a child

04:52:57.060 in that environment is repeating the cycle this is me free okay here i'll move the conversation on

04:53:03.220 okay guys look i mean can i just get a point out like you know can i just get a point out can i just

04:53:07.380 get a point out stop freaking out buddy babe just take a breath just take a chill just relax it's okay

04:53:12.820 you don't have to be so emotional it's fine it's okay just don't freak out just smoke your cigs and

04:53:17.700 take a beat just smoke your cigs and take a beat okay yeah i'm just saying you don't have to defend

04:53:24.180 horrible people it's okay it's not necessary it's okay you're okay andrew as somebody with autism i'm

04:53:28.900 very offended yeah very i'm deep i'm very triggered andrew how dare you use that put your order i mean

04:53:34.340 do you think the filibustering the combo is a good look it's not a good look he called you a no he didn't

04:53:40.500 no he said you were spurging out he didn't say you were asperger's or autistic that just really

04:53:46.900 shows how godly you are do you have autism though do you think i have no i'm not i'm not i'm not

04:53:53.060 coming for you deborah i'm just i'm asking if you do like it's not an attack i i'm probably autistic

04:53:58.340 she got that dog this is a point i'm trying to get commonality i'm trying to get like no we don't

04:54:02.580 have autism in common even if we have autism we're still awful people all right guys we're gonna move it

04:54:07.460 on we're gonna move it on i yeah uh so okay what uh the bear we gotta do the bear guys we're doing

04:54:12.660 the bear uh maybe i'll just she's in the oh my god bro everybody's coming up okay uh how about before

04:54:20.660 i come to the bear i'm gonna get to other people's um so what would you want the minimum yearly income

04:54:25.780 to be for your future husband um i mean can you tilt your mic down just a bit

04:54:30.500 i mean i would say i don't care um yeah do you you want to get married maybe you don't

04:54:40.260 i'm not sure right now i'm still in the process of getting divorced so you know give me some time

04:54:45.620 okay uh okay we're gonna come back to that we'll go right to into the bear now so going around the

04:54:50.340 table starting with deborah would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest

04:54:57.140 i love this question um especially when it was all over social media i thought there was a lot

04:55:02.820 of funny tiktoks i wrote the bear i thought about it long and hard um i think it's just the white

04:55:08.340 woman in me that i really do believe i could tame the bear honestly and that or at least hide from

04:55:13.460 it and i thought it's a joke don't don't cry it's a joke it's okay i i joke sometimes i like comedy

04:55:20.660 but i don't know why you're still freaking out it just shows a face okay so i overall i think

04:55:27.540 anybody i saw in the forest i would be scared for my life if i was alone in the forest a man or a

04:55:31.460 woman and i'd rather see an animal because that's where they live and then i can hide from it but i

04:55:35.860 think it's a silly question and it's funny so you'd pick the bear though i i do pick the bear because

04:55:41.780 that's where it lives and it's not crazy to be like why is there a bear in the forest but if you're

04:55:47.060 alone in the woods and you see another man or woman walking i'd be like wait why are they here

04:55:50.980 too that's conceivably the same reason you are to go for a walk in the woods oh i thought i was like

04:55:57.460 trapped in the far i thought i don't know i guess i assume this question is like you're lost in the

04:56:01.460 forest well the way i worded it here in the questionnaire it just says would you rather cross

04:56:05.620 paths with a man or a bear in the forest this doesn't there there are no implications as to the

04:56:10.580 reasons why anybody's in the forest there are no there's no uh suggestions that the man is a

04:56:15.540 criminal he could be a criminal he could not he could be a murderer he could not the bear could be

04:56:20.660 uh non-threatening the bear could also want to kill you so i don't know why i assumed on my own that i

04:56:27.060 was like trapped in the forest like in the movie or in the show alone where you're just like lost in

04:56:31.060 the woods if i was just on a walking path definitely a man over a bear i would say hello i'm a very social

04:56:36.500 person but you said you've heard this question before you've seen all the media even then you still

04:56:41.140 pick bear no at that point i guess there was just a lot of you wrote bear i and you said bear

04:56:46.660 because i thought the question was like if you're lost in the woods stranded i don't know why i thought

04:56:50.900 that i think that's what a lot of the social media videos were about i didn't pay they were like if

04:56:54.900 you're lost in the woods would you rather run into a bear or a man i was thinking about it like that

04:57:00.100 i lost in the woods yes i guess i just didn't read this clear enough oh i've never heard it phrased like

04:57:07.140 you're lost in the woods because if you're lost in the woods i'm assuming you can't get out so

04:57:12.420 wouldn't you want to run into like a man in the hopes of like he can oh it's this way well that's

04:57:19.300 what the argument is about that would you rather if like let's say you're lost in the woods and you

04:57:23.220 needed help would you rather run into a bear where you would have a threat or a man because men can do

04:57:28.740 things they might help you but they also might you know what i'll let everybody sure i'll let everybody

04:57:34.100 answer uh going around the table would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear whatever you

04:57:38.580 responded into the questionnaire just say man man man is that what you wrote in the yeah i mean i want

04:57:46.740 to come across you did say man okay what about you bear bear uh what about you bear all right what about

04:57:53.540 you i said bear but i took the question exactly how she did so i would change it to a man okay and then

04:58:00.580 bear bear uh so those of you who said bear going around again uh why do you pick bear and why do

04:58:08.020 you not pick the man why don't we start with deborah you already provided some explanation but if you

04:58:13.780 want to add anything go ahead but yeah i'll just quickly add honestly i didn't read it close enough

04:58:18.020 i should have i'm not close enough i just don't understand the context of it even using yes okay but

04:58:23.300 so why do you pick bear and why don't you pick man is this if i'm trapped in the forest or if i'm just

04:58:27.940 taking a leisurely walk um even so even if you're not trapped in the forest you always pick man

04:58:37.220 yeah i don't want to be killed by a bear if i'm in like a safe environment on a walking path i

04:58:41.540 wouldn't be scared to see a man in the forest but i think overall women the question why this

04:58:45.540 originally came to light is because can you really trust just a random man in the forest who might have

04:58:52.100 be a psychopath or a murderer or any of these things let's just stick with the bear okay let's

04:58:56.420 just whatever what is it are you walking or trapped uh

04:59:02.980 i choose the bear do you get why my lodges why that makes sense logically like if i'm trapped in

04:59:07.860 the forest i think i have good survival skills and i grew up very outdoorsy urban new york i live in

04:59:14.820 manhattan but i grew up we have a outdoor survival skills yes my family go to montana's in the summer

04:59:21.060 we learned how to build clay pigeons i went to sleepaway camp i learned how to sail from like

04:59:25.540 five years old and up horseback riding okay why just quick answer if you can why do you pick bear

04:59:31.460 why don't you pick man yeah you oh um i would not pick a why i wouldn't pick either sorry sorry

04:59:40.660 why do you pick bear why don't you pick the man i would pick a bear because if i'm trapped i'm sorry

04:59:49.380 i'm not trying to be annoying i'm just trying to understand the question so i could give a real

04:59:52.180 answer if i'm trapped i genuinely mean what i said where i've been in nature a lot in montana and the

04:59:57.620 forest and everything bears for the most part unless you upset them or you do something you can kind of

05:00:03.700 just chill out they're not going to just necessarily go after you and the reason i didn't pick a man is

05:00:08.500 because i feel like anybody outside of homesteaders who are just hanging out in the middle of the

05:00:13.540 woods would see me and be like yo she would be a really good person to trap in my house but then

05:00:18.820 they'd be like she talks a lot so i don't know if i want to keep her so there's that you can yap

05:00:23.060 your way out i do out of the abduction i guess uh what about you uh my logic was i have a better

05:00:30.500 chance of fighting a man than a bear oh wait so sorry um who picked bear just show of hands again

05:00:36.260 okay so it's boom boom boom i took boom yeah okay uh why do you pick bear why don't you pick men

05:00:44.820 um because there was like this one rhyme about how to survive when you encounter like each color bear

05:00:51.940 like a white bear black bear brown bear i don't remember how it goes i'm gonna have to refresh my

05:00:56.580 memory before i go out into the woods but it was it was like oh for one bear you gotta like make

05:01:02.500 yourself look big for one of the bears you should make yourself look small or like be still as

05:01:07.540 possible and for one of the bears you just run so i think knowing those kind of ground rules would

05:01:12.820 help me survive and like you said it's a bear's natural habitat like i'm the one disturbing its

05:01:18.180 peace so i would just leave it alone but a male you know you can be essayed they have all these

05:01:23.860 different torture methods in their head that probably a bear wouldn't conjure up or access to

05:01:28.740 these different weapons sure so okay um could be essayed could be murdered totally get it what about

05:01:34.260 you okay so i would pick the bear because i used to live in lake arrowhead and i see bears all the

05:01:38.420 time and if you don't bother bother them they're not going to do anything to you and i would not pick

05:01:42.740 a man because uh of my horrible experiences with men my first grade um third grade crush he had intentions

05:01:52.260 of going to the mountains to um army and then emmy and it was just like third grade no like i met him

05:02:01.620 in third grade he was my first and then 10 years later we reconnected and i don't know his hidden

05:02:06.580 agenda and this is a guy that i knew so imagine a random man that i don't know too if he had that

05:02:11.380 intention to do that to me what's a random man gonna see a pretty girl in the forest okay walking around

05:02:16.180 so all right so like the the man could essay or could murder you okay uh what about you why uh

05:02:22.660 why don't you or why do you pick bear why don't you pick man um i pick the bear because i definitely

05:02:27.140 have bear spray if i'm in the woods so i come prepared which would conceivably be just as effective

05:02:34.820 on a man but um i don't know the man's intentions i know the bear's intentions

05:02:38.980 i like that who who would be able to charge you faster a man or a bear um i mean probably

05:02:48.660 the bear but i mean so wouldn't the bear spray be just as effective on the man i would still choose

05:02:55.940 the bear okay and so um so i didn't mean to interrupt you though uh you were explaining why

05:03:01.460 you picked the bear why don't you pick the man uh you were mentioning you had bear spray what else

05:03:05.940 i don't know the man's intentions why is he in the woods what's he doing there sure why am i walking

05:03:11.540 across him yeah so just um i would feel more scared seeing a man than a bear and the fear there would

05:03:20.180 be he could potentially essay you he could murder you is that yeah i mean i don't i don't know his

05:03:25.540 intentions right but those that's the concern i'm assuming right yeah okay um and then if i do change

05:03:31.460 the the question a little bit i don't know if this will elicit a different response

05:03:35.380 uh you randomly spawn in the forest you then like survivor they just drop me off just engage

05:03:42.180 you randomly spawn in the forest uh hold on okay you randomly spawn in the forest

05:03:49.060 in front of you two buttons also randomly spawn you can pick a random man to spawn or you can

05:03:54.980 pick a random bear to spawn you will cross paths with either one it's not like there you will cross

05:04:01.860 paths does that change your answer at all i would choose the man then really yeah i feel like you

05:04:07.300 know it's not like it's random if i'm choosing you know and if i'm just dropped off there um and it's

05:04:14.900 not like i would have bear spray you know handy if i expect to encounter a bear yeah but you wouldn't

05:04:21.540 have the bear spray for the man either yeah but it's different it's randomly spawned right it's not like

05:04:27.220 someone's just there waiting and i just stumble upon them this is the context of the conversation

05:04:33.060 anything for you or no still i mean i've encountered bears multiple times so still there still there

05:04:38.660 okay um i think it changed for me a little bit because then also it's not like what are you doing

05:04:43.620 in the woods we can make like friendship over the fact we both just spawned you know it is interesting

05:04:47.860 that how like you frame a question even by just changing it slightly can change people's answers i mean

05:04:52.740 this is actually really common with studies and why i think these like survey studies are actually

05:04:56.900 bullshit because you can like change one word like you can even change a totally benign non-relevant word

05:05:03.220 in a study and you'll get a different response from people but um anyways back to the point at hand

05:05:08.980 uh if you had to um let oh sorry go ahead yeah so it is it would almost occur to me though those of you

05:05:18.820 who like kind of change your answer wouldn't like wouldn't there be a bigger fear for the button push

05:05:25.940 because like you say why is the man there in the forest but i kind of feel like there would be more

05:05:34.820 reason for him being in the forest that seems benign versus like you ran like you randomly spawned the guy

05:05:42.820 like the guy in the forest is probably just going on a hike or some shit i don't know i don't know

05:05:47.540 i just have trauma for men i think people do things also when nobody's looking that's what creates it

05:05:52.660 like when people are in private environments that's why a lot of essays happen and close doors go out

05:05:58.100 so let me let me get through a couple more things here um so your concern you guys's concern is like

05:06:03.700 the risk of essay and the risk that they physically harm you murder you whatever um what what percentage

05:06:09.540 of men do you think would be like what percentage of men do you think would do this to you

05:06:17.540 thirty percent thirty percent okay what about you and ninety percent because i had it almost

05:06:22.420 happened to me ninety percent okay like twenty twenty percent and then deborah what percent like 15 ish

05:06:29.860 15 so that was uh i'm sorry did you said 20 30 30 excuse me so it's 30 90 20 and then 15.

05:06:40.820 okay i'm just curious for uh you guys have any male siblings do you have a brother how many brothers

05:06:47.860 do you have i have one older brother okay um do you have a brother i have two brothers okay um are you

05:06:53.940 prepared to say that 90 of your male family members including cousins would essay or no i think

05:07:00.340 there's like a small percentage of men that will do that but not not counting my family because you

05:07:04.260 said it was 90 of them yeah well my chances were 90 i missed it by an hour that happened to me in the

05:07:09.060 forest with a man that i knew that i i liked first no but you said 90 of men so this would have to oh

05:07:15.060 actually i i retract that statement sorry so i guess it's a small percentage of men that would do that

05:07:20.500 what percent maybe five percent then oh now that i've thrown your 90 of your family under the

05:07:26.340 yeah i was like no but it made more sense 30 of your male family members uh are grapists or murderers

05:07:35.140 um most of them are dead but i mean i was almost essayed by a family member when i was three so

05:07:41.860 yeah okay and then going to you uh 20 of your family members are inclined to grape or murder

05:07:50.820 not my family just like the general population like 20 of all men what makes your family so much

05:07:57.220 superior well because i haven't experienced anything like that with my family members i was just thinking

05:08:02.660 of the general population of men okay and deborah are you willing to throw 15 of your family members

05:08:08.500 not because of this i knew this question was coming next i still thought 15 when i said it was a little

05:08:12.340 bit grand but i was also thinking about society at large but no definitely not in my family they're very

05:08:18.740 much value protecting women being strong men making sure like i said and then also on this

05:08:26.340 uh does it change for anybody here if it's 10 men versus 10 bears wait sorry what was that 10 men

05:08:33.220 versus 10 bears so awkward to see in a forest does that change at the same time for the bear 10 men at

05:08:40.740 the same time yeah 10 men together 10 bears together and you cross paths with them i'd rather see 10 men

05:08:47.460 does that change anything for you maybe i still stick with yeah i need a second to process

05:08:50.740 i still stick with bears still stick with bear what about you i don't know either well do you need

05:08:58.980 time or deborah i'm thinking if they're good men then men if they're not good men then bears

05:09:05.140 are they how big is the island sorry what you said are they boy scouts

05:09:10.660 random men it's just random men then yeah out of the population i think the men would be better

05:09:17.460 because if like i gave with my number i think it's a very small percentage of men in society who really

05:09:22.340 have that within them to take advantage of a woman and overpower her and i do think given it's 10 men

05:09:28.020 hopefully the majority of them are good men like the kind of guys who hold their friends in check and

05:09:32.180 that are like don't do that you need to treat her better so i'd like to think that with 10 men there'd be

05:09:37.300 at least the majority of them would be good men and keep the peace hopefully if you were in the

05:09:42.500 position where you guys had to choose for somebody else in this case your daughter you're not choosing

05:09:47.780 for you but instead you're choosing your daughter's spawned into a forest with a random man or random

05:09:53.620 bear would your answer change no yes yes yes my answer would not change so wait you would change from

05:10:00.420 man i don't know i i really well if it's a fee i would say female bear oh well i'd say female bears yeah

05:10:05.700 because animals tend to be more protective over children innocent children there's been stories

05:10:12.020 of like children falling in zoos and gorillas pick them up and take care of them so i don't know bears

05:10:17.220 though yeah there's just like oh i really quick on that i feel really quick on that um okay zoo

05:10:22.820 enclosure would you prefer your daughter to fall in the gorilla enclosure or the human male

05:10:29.220 gorilla harambe all day harambe you know i don't know i guess it goes the intention of the bear or

05:10:38.580 the fucking human yeah whatever i i don't i guess they could go either way i i don't there's not

05:10:44.660 bad intentions people do it's my daughter a man because i don't think she could outrun a bear

05:10:49.620 does this not highlight the difference in society though that yeah you have to think about it and that

05:10:53.940 men if they were put in this they would never think twice about being put with 10 women or 10

05:10:58.340 bears give me the girls all day long maybe maybe does that not speak to how women and men maybe i

05:11:03.300 would choose the men i just think it's all intention but you would you you would change your answer to

05:11:09.620 bear chair i know i'm so indecisive yes i would like to say i would like to say men but it's because

05:11:15.940 animals don't have bad intentions and people do and we'll do some whack things in nature

05:11:20.260 i know my child can't outsmart herself people are okay guys guys on the panel just one second real

05:11:27.220 quick uh jerry one what were you saying i was saying if it's between you know my three-year-old

05:11:33.460 being in the woods coming upon a man or a bear i would choose the man because you know why do you

05:11:40.660 think that the man would not if you if you think that uh you have the high likelihood that a man would

05:11:46.420 essay you or do something horrible to you uh why is it that you think you wouldn't do that to her

05:11:52.660 um i think it would be more likely for me because i'm a woman she's a child so i think he would be

05:11:58.020 more opted to protect her unless he's a poe so so if so if it if you had to choose on behalf of

05:12:06.900 somebody else well let's say your daughter was 17 would you make the same decision she'd be better off

05:12:14.020 with the bear at that point so you would spawn her in with the bear rather than a random man

05:12:19.780 yes so assuming for all everybody in the panel if you do you have a 17 year old daughter and you

05:12:24.500 have to choose would your would your answer change from bear to man those of you who selected bear

05:12:30.500 no no still because that almost happened to me i was 17 so why would that happen to her

05:12:35.300 yeah if you were in an argument with your significant other and the two of you had to choose

05:12:40.820 for some reason that if she spawned in with a man or the bear and he said the man and you said the

05:12:46.580 bear would you default to his judgment yes no no okay i can make that yes because i trust him if

05:12:56.020 i'm married to him gotcha okay i'm gonna have experience what's that so i'm going off experiences

05:13:03.860 that i've had so i'm not saying all men are the same but it's like how many bears have you seen a

05:13:08.660 lot actually living in the garrowhead and i know like how many like five like i can that were like

05:13:13.940 in close encounter with me too like yeah so and they didn't do anything but walked the other way

05:13:17.460 i went to trash cans valid question mom's amazed at how many women who answer this on the bear

05:13:21.780 question i love this claims of how of how many bears they've seen i mean i go to the wilderness

05:13:27.620 constantly i have my entire life i've been a hunter my essentially my entire adulthood and uh i've only

05:13:34.020 ever had actually two random bear encounters and in totality and i mean i'm out all the time in

05:13:40.580 country which is bear country where do you live so the maybe analogies attracted to me

05:13:46.500 all over the u.s but uh right now i'm in michigan um and uh yeah definitely tons of black bears in

05:13:53.940 michigan especially in the grounds i hunt and it's like very rarely do you ever come across them but

05:13:58.580 somehow the women who answered to this question seem to have seen significantly more bears than i

05:14:03.780 have i have so many videos like go ahead i went to camp in pennsylvania right in front of me i went

05:14:10.580 to camp in pennsylvania and the bears would eat the trash every single week like literally multiple times

05:14:15.380 a week and so there was always bear stuff so we had to learn very young like what to do with bears i

05:14:20.100 feel like they're pretty common in pennsylvania all over and the east coast they're common for me

05:14:24.580 yeah they're common they're common at campgrounds especially when there's garbage around and stuff

05:14:29.780 like that i agree with that but random encounters in the forest are they're pretty rare right they're

05:14:34.420 pretty you know i spent six months out in the wilderness in like high school and i never once

05:14:38.580 encountered a bear i encountered all kinds of different things but never like a random bear just

05:14:42.820 popped up out of nowhere i saw an elk and a bear in montana pretty common all right together

05:14:49.940 no but like a few minutes apart elks are huge i've never seen anything they are

05:14:53.380 i see them all the time washington chase uh you brought up double standards earlier and this

05:14:57.540 does fall into line with one of the questionnaire questions not hypocritical for high body count

05:15:02.820 men to prefer to date low body count or virgin women uh deborah you disagreed

05:15:10.260 we disagreed i think i messed up on that one okay that's fine um not hypocritical for high

05:15:16.020 body count men yeah i think it's fair i think that's totally valid i don't know why i circled that

05:15:21.220 sorry callie you did disagree i think that was fair too it works by ways yeah amelia you disagreed on

05:15:28.180 that actually i didn't understand the question emily you also disagree okay you did also disagree emily

05:15:34.980 nothing for honestly katarina you did not uh disagree on anything tanya disagreed

05:15:43.540 yeah so um it was like double standard right you think it's a double standard like if a guy with high

05:15:48.980 body count he would prefer to date a woman with a low body count or virgin

05:15:55.620 uh sorry yes what's wrong with that oh let me hold on before i have you answer i'm gonna let

05:16:02.820 that go through and then we'll get right back to it practicing gentleman donated two hundred dollars

05:16:08.420 if it was a starved bear or an evil man and both were fully intent on making sure you had a bad day

05:16:14.820 with nothing happening being the best outcome which do you think you could escape from easier

05:16:21.780 if it was a starved bear and an evil man and both were fully intent on making sure you had that day

05:16:28.100 oh god maybe an evil man happening being the best outcome yeah so the intentionality this is a really

05:16:34.580 good phrasing of this so now we know the intention the bear wants to eat your face and the man wants to

05:16:39.140 eat your face so both of them definitely have really want you to have the worst day of your

05:16:45.380 life spawned in and you can choose between them does your answer change then biologically a bear would

05:16:50.740 be 10 times stronger 10 times faster and 10 times more aggressive than an evil man i can gadget

05:16:55.620 eyes out and or like try to fight for my life but i can't really fight for my life with a bear

05:16:59.620 so it'll be harder change anything for you do i have the bear spray if i have the bear let's just

05:17:05.860 say in both cases you have the bear spray i would choose the bear you think i'm a bear yeah well if

05:17:12.180 he can't fucking see he can't find me uh yeah i think i'd still choose the bear how how fast can

05:17:19.700 bears run still bear deborah fast um no it would probably be a man because i don't know where

05:17:26.260 bear parts are to kick them in honestly it'd be kind of hard to gadget's eyes out when they're so

05:17:32.100 big so and i could be taller than the man which is very likely because i'm very tall a bear no chance

05:17:37.700 no chance with the bear uh so going back to the double standard question though uh not hypocritical

05:17:43.700 for high bod count uh men to prefer to date low body count virgin women uh you disagreed i think maybe

05:17:50.740 you disagreed callie yeah you did um what what would actually be wrong with like a guy who's got

05:17:56.340 a high body count preferring today the low body count woman or a virgin well or what makes it

05:18:01.300 hypocritical i guess yeah i wouldn't i mean right preference is just preference but i think it's

05:18:06.420 hypocritical because practice what you preach so if you think that you know your partner should

05:18:11.060 have less partners then you should have less partners as well that's hypocritical okay and then

05:18:15.380 i'll respond to that but uh emily what about you yeah i agree verbatim and then same thing i was

05:18:21.460 trying to get up yeah i also i think now i realized i did mean to circle that question yeah you didn't

05:18:26.260 see that yeah me too that's fine you're the minority here please speak on this one yeah oh yeah well i mean

05:18:32.660 i guess you know a lot of you also kind of simultaneously uh circled women uh should go 50 or you

05:18:41.540 disagree that women should go 50 50 on first dates why is it that women are allowed to hold men to

05:18:46.740 standards that they themselves would not you know uphold themselves for example if your position is

05:18:53.220 men should pay for first dates wouldn't you be hypocritical for saying that for like the other

05:18:58.980 person should pay for the first date wouldn't that make you yeah i mean i didn't hold that position

05:19:02.900 okay well but the other a lot of the other women here said men should pay for first dates women

05:19:08.020 chinaco 50 50 so why is it that if a man desires a trait in a partner that he doesn't himself possess

05:19:17.700 why are women allowed to do this very thing with like the myriad of traits that they desire in men but

05:19:24.020 they don't possess themselves i'll give you more examples besides just women wanting men to pay for

05:19:29.220 first dates but you guys won't pay for a first date ever so how about you want a guy who's taller than

05:19:36.420 you but you're not tall you want a guy who's funny but you're not funny you want a guy who's charismatic

05:19:42.180 but you're not charismatic you want a guy to lead but you're not a leader you want a guy to be dominant

05:19:46.660 but you're not dominant you want a guy to be masculine but you're not masculine the reality is

05:19:51.460 is that there's all kinds of asymmetries when it comes to dating but you guys are totally fine with the

05:19:56.260 asymmetries that benefit you but when there's an asymmetry that doesn't benefit you you'll frequently

05:20:02.420 you'll just say that's a double standard can i respond to that sure i think that that is the

05:20:07.120 obvious like the most obvious not non-argument i guess in a sense where those are all traits that

05:20:12.960 you listed being funny being not funny things of that those are traits characteristics but

05:20:16.800 characteristics but sexual partners is choices that you make every single time and there are

05:20:21.460 health risks associated with it is chastity a choice or sorry not excuse me is chastity a trait

05:20:28.820 is being virgin being a virgin a trait yeah it's a virtue i mean it's definitely the people that

05:20:35.640 hold that with their life near and dear i think waiting till marriage is absolutely a trait and

05:20:39.600 that's why if you wanted that's something not a trait i think it's a value not a trait i think

05:20:44.580 that's a value hold on so you're saying that uh the amount of sexual partners you've had that is

05:20:51.920 what decisions and choices wait so i can't no like if you choose to have sex with 100 women

05:21:01.440 that was your choice to make every single time but if you're funny like i don't think you can

05:21:06.160 choose to be funny or not or things of that nature you can't choose to be taller what is someone's

05:21:11.000 choice to do or not do something what does that have to do with the argument because you can have

05:21:16.240 values those traits if you want somebody who doesn't match your trait that's different than not

05:21:20.840 matching your values if i say i'm funny or i'm not i think i'm funny hold on i have to interrupt you

05:21:26.000 deborah you said that the you want a guy with a to make a minimum income of 200 000 that's a choice

05:21:33.500 he's taking specific actions yeah i think that's a choice that benefits himself but i i think making

05:21:43.460 money you it's just just so i understand the argument the argument is men are not allowed to

05:21:48.820 disqualify women based on women's choices no it's not they can only disqualify based on traits no i

05:21:57.180 think you can totally disqualify in anything you want because it's your partner that you're looking

05:22:00.980 for but when it comes to just the body count alone or not the body count but a man who has had multiple

05:22:07.080 sexual partners why does he want a woman with less sexual partners is it because he values the fact

05:22:12.480 that a woman is not promiscuous because that's different and those are different values if you

05:22:17.160 yourself are no offense anybody here but if you're filming only fans and you're saying i want somebody

05:22:22.420 who's a religious god-fearing christian that's not those are choices that you're both making but i

05:22:27.760 don't think it's fair or normal to expect that and so in the same way it depends on the value behind it

05:22:32.800 i think having a high number of sexual partners corresponds with your values and therefore i don't

05:22:39.600 think it's as simple as i want somebody taller than me or things like that but when it comes to

05:22:43.480 splitting the money i so wait let's try help me categorize this so promiscuity is not a trait

05:22:50.960 it's a value no i think it can be a permit being sexually promiscuous i think can definitely be a

05:22:57.160 trait that people have there's also people that go through phases where like they might be celibate and

05:23:02.020 then i don't know or they like abstain from sex i think every if you have a let's say you've had sex

05:23:07.280 with 100 women i think every single time even when you got to 75 you chose to keep going that's

05:23:12.820 your individual choice to make something that's a immutable characteristic like your height i think

05:23:18.260 those are things that you didn't necessarily you didn't choose those you were born like that so

05:23:23.560 if you want somebody who's taller than you i think that's so your argument is it's better to

05:23:29.140 reject people because of things that are out of their control versus things that are in their

05:23:33.740 control no the opposite i think it's valid you just said you said yeah valid to not date a guy

05:23:38.400 because of his height not valid if a guy doesn't want to date a woman because she's slept with 100

05:23:43.700 men you know i'm saying the exact opposite i think that's exactly what you're saying no i was saying

05:23:47.300 that if somebody wants somebody's height things that they can't change those aren't choices that

05:23:51.820 you let me let me hold on you confuse me by saying that i don't i don't agree with that i'm not saying

05:23:56.860 that i think that there's a major difference between somebody who has a high level of sexual

05:24:02.040 partners that situation than there is between somebody being funny tall let me change it then

05:24:07.120 fine i'll move it off of immutable characteristics so um a man who how about this would you disagree

05:24:15.260 with me that there are plenty of broke women who would love to date a billionaire no i don't disagree

05:24:20.300 at all okay i think okay hold on but is that a is that hypocritical for the woman who's broke

05:24:26.880 to find rich men attractive not attractive but to only want them because of the value of the

05:24:32.360 financial value i do think that's incredibly hypocritical they've made poor financial choices

05:24:36.800 their entire life and then just expecting a man to take care of them because they're lazy and they

05:24:41.900 don't work then that's not fair i don't think that would make them hypocritical yeah that's not how's

05:24:47.840 that hypocrisy because a person who made poor financial choices their whole life and then is expecting

05:24:54.460 somebody who made good financial choices well i don't know if hypocritical would be the right word

05:24:58.780 but i don't think that's valid like i don't think it would be fair for somebody who was dirt broke

05:25:03.160 living on the side of the street to think that they were a perfect or they deserve somebody

05:25:06.700 you know so but hold on so i want a commitment from you tonight on the show unless you're willing to

05:25:15.220 just be a hypocrite you are from here on out you're only allowed to date a man who makes the

05:25:21.580 exact same amount of money as you you you can't go above you can't go above otherwise you're a

05:25:27.760 hypocrite why can't i go above i hold on you can't go but yeah because because because if you go ten

05:25:33.780 dollars above right let's just say you only went ten dollars above you're only going to date a man who

05:25:38.500 made ten dollars more than you made right then if we extend that out what would actually be the

05:25:44.300 problem with a poor woman right going after a rich man there wouldn't be any problem right you're just

05:25:49.440 all you're doing is just it's just a matter of degrees at that point would you date a billionaire

05:25:53.560 yes would you date a billionaire probably that's really hypocritical of you you're not a billionaire

05:25:58.440 you don't know what my bank account looks like i'm not a billionaire but i am a reverse financially

05:26:03.240 yeah you're not a billionaire i'm not a billionaire i would love to be a billionaire but i am

05:26:07.620 thank god very financially literate i i'm a hustler and i love to work

05:26:13.420 yeah so i can i can expect that from my partner as well right yeah can i have some cash i can do

05:26:19.860 some charity work is it is it non-profit deductible what charity are you right well you know i'm i'm

05:26:25.380 going through some legal things so if you want to like help out you know help out your big labia

05:26:29.800 matters go get your purse he's saying he wants a sugar mama you brought me out you want a sugar mama

05:26:35.420 i brought you out here to hustle you out of your money i think i mean i've been a sugar mama to my

05:26:40.040 boyfriend before so i can just expect the same thing back i think that somebody who makes certain

05:26:44.480 choices in life in this in a sense it aligns with their values and so get your caps so for somebody

05:26:52.000 who makes good financial decisions do the money's good i think they can learn from somebody who is

05:26:56.920 even better or more successful than them in the same way where let's say i have an aspiration sorry

05:27:02.360 to be a comedian my ex-wife was actually a comedian maybe he made me funnier things like

05:27:06.960 that can i ask you a question yes did you play any sports in school or anything i did uh like but

05:27:11.060 did you ever play at the professional level or in college no no well i don't know if college is

05:27:15.660 professional but um would you would you date a professional athlete i would it's a trick question

05:27:24.200 because it's not a trick question no i think professional for the just the job title of it like

05:27:29.140 somebody was a professional athlete because that's their passion yes but i know that people in

05:27:34.320 spotlights athletes things of that are in worlds where there's a lot of temptation i don't think

05:27:38.940 it's like dating a dj to me i don't think that would perfectly align with me you'll never it wouldn't

05:27:44.040 be ideal for me i would rather somebody a little bit more behind the scenes or at least less in a

05:27:48.980 major thing where they're flying across the world with their team and all that stuff that's just a

05:27:52.620 personal preference of mine but like i would i think it's important for my partner to be athletic or

05:27:57.480 a better example for you brian health i am obsessed with working out cold plunging wellness everything

05:28:02.780 about that living a very healthy lifestyle i would never marry somebody or even date somebody who did

05:28:07.720 not value health that is a huge important value to me and whether they were extremely overweight or

05:28:12.960 just really unhealthy um that's a huge turnoff to me and that's something that it's a choice but it's

05:28:18.440 also i guess there for me i guess the point i'm trying to make is that when it comes back to like

05:28:23.840 this hypocrisy thing so i don't think there's anything wrong with a man who has a high high

05:28:30.520 body count who wants to date a woman with a low body count or a virgin simply because one i think

05:28:35.440 there's asymmetry between what men and women want and then secondly it's just look women all the time

05:28:41.940 chase after men who possess a myriad of traits behaviors perhaps they have a you know they've accrued

05:28:49.860 certain things in their life whether material or otherwise that they themselves do not possess i

05:28:55.640 don't think that makes women hypocrites i don't think it makes men hypocrites when they do the same

05:28:59.460 thing yeah and i think i think people get actually confused about what hypocrisy means so hypocrisy is

05:29:06.000 not saying i have no money but want to date a person with money it's saying i have no money i want to date

05:29:11.440 a person with money but you who has no money should not try to date a person with money that would be

05:29:17.120 hypocrisy so so people get this really very skewed idea of what being hypocritical even is it's uh

05:29:23.700 i don't understand that either but they they seem to so it's not hypocrisy to say i have a high body

05:29:29.500 count want a person with a low body count it would be hypocrisy to say but you as a person with a high

05:29:34.800 body count should not want a person with a low body count that would then be what would make it

05:29:38.700 hypocrisy

05:29:39.360 any pushback by the way well just like how women you guys think women lose value they actually teach

05:29:54.920 you guys in college i'd like to know like what how what do they teach what like what do they teach

05:29:59.620 in college i'm just starting college so i couldn't say that women for him to put down i really

05:30:05.820 i don't i don't like that i didn't put down women i put down colleges

05:30:10.480 but he put down the call just starting college teach a lot of stupid i could not say but the girls

05:30:17.200 who got their degrees they can probably answer that question better like why is like why is

05:30:21.160 like every time there's any any pushback to anything that means andrew hates women like just

05:30:25.600 stop with the feminism you're such a hater andrew such a hater okay andrew always says even if it

05:30:31.040 was a man he would say the same thing but i don't see any men in these chairs but just how like you

05:30:36.520 guys think well i mean you but you will often if you go to whatever podcast and watch me debate them

05:30:41.140 in the studio which i do all the time i've actually never seen any of those videos you should go watch

05:30:46.480 them they're quite good i should actually you should become a fan of the whatever i think there's

05:30:50.640 more successful people in college or more successful people that didn't go to college

05:30:54.700 even break i think uh okay you disagree with adult age gap relationships example a 30 year old

05:31:04.080 dating a 19 year old callie you disagree wait i'm sorry amelia disagree a 30 year old dating 19

05:31:12.340 year old yeah emily disagree with age gap tanya you disagree with age gap relationships

05:31:20.380 any 30 year old looking to have a relationship with a 19 year old that's just weird why because

05:31:25.440 she's super young and you just want to take advantage of her really because you have no life

05:31:28.820 experiences to um conduct herself in that relationship if you're doing something wrong

05:31:33.960 to her she doesn't think it's normal her brain isn't done developing why do you want her that's

05:31:37.920 weird she's like a little kid still you mean she's in a okay so should uh 18 year old women

05:31:43.040 not be allowed to vote i mean if they weren't allowed then why is that a law when you're 18

05:31:50.720 you're able to vote well why is it a law that the age of consent is 18 so they can they can have a

05:31:57.060 consensual relationship 30 year olds have more experience obviously in the dating world than 19

05:32:00.940 year olds like that me for example when i did a 20 year old i shouldn't really when i was 17 because

05:32:05.760 i didn't have life experiences or anything to like say oh this is wrong what he's doing to me

05:32:10.220 talking about adult relationships here okay well that's what i'm saying like a 19 year old wouldn't

05:32:15.440 know how to be with an adult like that what do you mean i don't know i feel like she'd be too young

05:32:20.060 she wouldn't know how to conduct herself really you said take advantage of i mean like of her mindset

05:32:24.160 because she doesn't know yet you don't think a 20 year old could take advantage of another 20 year old

05:32:28.480 yeah sorry to interrupt it was great being on with all you guys i have to leave you knew i had a

05:32:34.480 heart out i stayed almost an hour before this i literally wrote you a note and i texted you about it

05:32:38.880 for the show i have a two hour plus drive back to la alone in the dark it was great being on with

05:32:43.180 you follow me on instagram the debra leah thanks everybody it was beautiful having brian would never

05:32:47.480 hurt a fly never oh thank you thank you debra appreciate it thank you for coming have a good

05:32:54.840 night get home safely love it was nice meeting you nice to meet you debra have a good day all right

05:32:59.920 yep uh so anyways uh so i guess uh what's your position kind of um my position is it seems that

05:33:10.620 man wants an apprentice he doesn't want an equal or a partner do women want equals to be equal yes

05:33:19.120 you just heard a table full of women saying they don't want to pay for first dates they don't want

05:33:23.100 to take any initiative they don't ask just the first date after that they can get 50 50 and the

05:33:28.140 relationship like just let's hear from the other people emily what's your objection to uh age gap

05:33:33.280 relationships um did i put like a little swivel on that one maybe you underlined it i mean yeah i

05:33:39.540 think just like within reasonable range okay 30 to 19 yeah no i think like too much of a discrepancy

05:33:46.800 and maturity level makes that an issue but there are some really mature like 20 year olds you know

05:33:53.220 people are mothers at that young age they've experienced different levels of life than maybe

05:33:58.160 another 20 year old so it just depends does it give you the ick um a little it depends on how they

05:34:04.060 met i guess if it's kind of like it seems like they're praying or grooming them then yeah that's a

05:34:08.260 problem but in what way would they be praying like what is what does that mean to pray like oh waiting

05:34:13.220 until they turn 18 or 19 or a reasonable let's assume they met when uh this woman was already an

05:34:20.380 adult so there's not like yeah if it's genuine genuine connection genuine experience getting to

05:34:28.100 know each other then yeah sure okay and then you disagreed why do you disagree on this with someone

05:34:33.240 that was 12 years older for nine years but yeah to each of their own like jay-z beyonce are 12 years

05:34:40.780 apart it works sometimes now do you want to just scoot into the table maybe permanently so you can be

05:34:45.560 on the microphone and yeah i don't have to remind you for the 30th time but okay yeah 19 i think it's

05:34:51.600 a little young for someone being 30 something okay all right um it gives you the ick yeah okay all right

05:35:01.880 can you guys actually make a compelling like argument why it's wrong i did uh i mean i think

05:35:13.740 because her brain isn't done developing um i think obviously he's choosing someone who's a lot younger

05:35:23.600 and more inexperienced and has also just come out of high school so ew like you know you as a 30 year

05:35:30.580 old man why are you dating someone who just came out of a high school like is that you know um you

05:35:36.740 can't get better like well i mean you don't want someone who's going to challenge you you don't want

05:35:41.120 someone who who what would be better i don't want i don't want somebody to challenge mature like yeah

05:35:46.680 it's more mature what do you mean more mature mentally more mature once you want to date if you're

05:35:51.520 30 years old why don't you date a woman that's actually like mentally mature than a girl that's 19 not

05:35:56.620 a woman who is unmentally immature well she is i met some 19 year olds who are pretty damn mentally

05:36:01.860 mature i mean well i'm going to like my situation i was 17 i wasn't mature yet and i let him take full

05:36:06.980 advantage of me so and i thought it was perfectly fine how old was he when 20 when you met yeah he

05:36:12.300 was 20 and i was 17 two months before i turned 18 and yeah but i mean if he was 18 two months before

05:36:17.740 you turned 18 how long did you date him since 29 18 and i broke up with him this year what wait

05:36:26.160 though this is the same guy six year i've only been in one year like like not one year one

05:36:30.780 so wait two months into the relationship you were 18 and then he was still 20 that's not much of an

05:36:38.560 age gap no it's not but he was more mature though than i was obviously because he had been through

05:36:44.260 more relationships and i haven't so i mean is it would it be that weird though for an 18 year

05:36:50.020 old to be dating a 20 i don't think that's weird or a 22 or a 21 year old in this case so it was like

05:36:55.660 18 to 21 i'm not saying that the man was more mature than i was five year range i don't think we

05:37:02.180 would consider that an age gap well i think it's like i'm talking about maturity levels 10 years is

05:37:06.960 like yeah 10 years a little bit like a little bit too much five years is fine

05:37:10.780 i was immature at 17 so i can imagine like a 19 year old not being that mature compared to a 30

05:37:20.400 year old does that make sense or am i wrong or you think a 19 year old has had the same maturity

05:37:25.020 levels as a 30 year old man well i'm not sure that people are looking for relationships based around

05:37:31.200 various maturity levels like um i think that people have peaked very different interests and

05:37:37.180 i see men who are 30 with very immature women who are 35 and i see women who are 30 with very

05:37:42.540 immature men who are 25 right so the thing is is like i'm not sure that you can just say well you're

05:37:48.980 an adult and because of this we're just going to make this kind of like bracket or even though you're

05:37:54.100 an adult we're just going to assume that you're too stupid to make the decision as to who you want

05:37:58.280 to date that's just kind of seems absurd to me would you be okay if it was your daughter

05:38:03.560 one of them would you be a so i wouldn't be okay with my daughter dating anybody ever uh and no

05:38:10.800 father ever is so it doesn't really matter if there was an age gap or not all fathers hate all

05:38:16.480 boys who date their daughters so i'm not really sure how that's particularly relatable i wouldn't care

05:38:21.900 if she was with or dating a guy 20 years older i would hate him or if she was dating a guy who was

05:38:27.260 around her same age i would hate that guy too so fair enough okay okay all right really quick i guess

05:38:34.240 on this um i guess even kind of granting your your guys's positions that maybe it's like icky or

05:38:40.920 whatever predatory or whatever it's uh take advantage of whatever um if you were trying to like convince men

05:38:48.720 to date women their age like aside from like if you have to push put away like the shaming and that

05:38:57.380 sort of uh stuff can you actually like make an argument for like why like what are the benefits of

05:39:04.500 dating an older woman she has her shit together and you don't have to really like provide for her

05:39:11.140 like you would do for like a younger person who doesn't have their stuff together when you're 30 if

05:39:14.680 you're still single is the guy gonna have to provide for you no because you should she's already

05:39:17.880 be um able to provide for herself really yeah i i hope when i'm 30 i can be able to provide for

05:39:24.120 myself and not to rely on a man okay yeah but if it's a provider argument then this one's um i guess

05:39:29.980 the counters to that that that i would give would be uh i think yes you would have to provide for the

05:39:34.980 18 year old or 19 year old or even 20 year old if you're a man in their 30s uh but they would have

05:39:40.840 significantly less baggage and so it might actually be more inexpensive to provide for that person with

05:39:47.300 less baggage than the woman in her 30s with more baggage might be far less expensive she might for

05:39:52.400 for instance the accrual of debt that a woman would have in her 30s versus at 18 19 you would have to

05:40:00.280 admit the chances are going to be way higher that she's accrued a lot of debt by the time she's 30.

05:40:05.100 that is true for financial reasons i'm not sure that like the financial argument is the best one

05:40:11.540 i think you're right that the woman would be able to provide a better standard of life for herself

05:40:15.800 perhaps but that doesn't mean that she would necessarily be less expensive for the man that is

05:40:20.820 true yeah

05:40:22.060 you're like i look for a provider i don't know if ryan walked out or not yeah like i look for a provider

05:40:30.200 but i also know like i would like to be a provider myself too i'm just not i'm not relying solely on

05:40:34.520 the man to take care of me 24 7. yeah but i mean would you be opposed to it no i i wouldn't either if

05:40:40.060 it comes natural yeah so you wouldn't be opposed to it either so the idea here is that i think there's

05:40:44.620 also 18 19 20 year old girls who would like to be provided for as well and i think that the type of

05:40:50.460 men who can provide for them are generally going to be established and probably in their 30s

05:40:54.540 so give like here i can give you a good idea of this uh women's uh reproductive years generally

05:41:02.380 they're like prime reproductive years somewhere around 18 years old to let's say 26 27 right it's

05:41:08.140 kind of the prime it's not that they can't have babies fast that they can't we're just saying it's

05:41:12.280 easier on their bodies the labor is less intense the babies are generally a bit healthier

05:41:17.900 yeah yeah do you bounce back from it faster because you're younger right your body can take it and

05:41:23.980 heal quicker if that is the case if if a woman is expected to have babies in those years it seems

05:41:30.600 reasonable to me that a woman would expect to be provided for in those years and younger men are

05:41:35.660 going to have a harder time doing that than men in their 30s for instance so wouldn't it make sense

05:41:40.060 if women sexually selected for men in their 30s if they wanted to have children yeah i see your point

05:41:47.240 of view there i mean that makes that makes total sense to me it's like okay now now your reproductive

05:41:51.920 years you're taking care of men around my own age bracket can't do that but you can that actually

05:41:57.400 makes sense to me that does as well to me yeah so that i mean i guess um you know i guess there's

05:42:05.020 really no argument there chair one what do you think you were giving me that look like you were giving

05:42:09.280 you were giving me the look come on what is it what well i mean it was it was over the argument

05:42:16.360 about debt i mean in the state of california when you marry someone you don't accrue their debt you

05:42:21.820 only accrue you know half the amount of their debt that you accrued during the marriage believe me i

05:42:26.920 know this so i just didn't really see that as a valid argument as like oh you should wait their credit

05:42:32.680 you're gonna you well you still have to deal with it right so you're still gonna have to deal with

05:42:36.220 whatever their credit is you're gonna have to deal with uh if they and if by the way if they have

05:42:41.040 debt i think it's reasonable inside of marriages generally debt is shared even if technically the

05:42:46.500 law says it's not like in the state of california in this instance i think that most people put away

05:42:52.080 for their retirement together if you're putting away for the retirement together why wouldn't you

05:42:56.460 be sharing the debt i mean it that does seem to be the case that most people share debt right

05:43:01.040 yeah i mean it's just not what i experienced personally so yeah but i mean if you were in a

05:43:08.200 if you had another husband tomorrow let's say and you had fifty thousand dollars in debt and he had

05:43:12.820 twenty five thousand dollars in debt wouldn't you guys probably work to pay each other's debt off

05:43:17.040 i mean yeah that would be a priority yeah that would be a priority exactly so i mean it it it makes

05:43:25.580 sense to me that if you had more debt in your 30s that that wouldn't necessarily make you more

05:43:31.780 financially viable to a man who could who could financially support you than if you were younger just

05:43:37.580 because you are in a position where you can make money doesn't mean you don't come with a lot of

05:43:41.220 crude debt yeah i understand what you're saying yeah i just going back oh did you have some were

05:43:48.040 you raising your hand uh okay i guess i'd still like to hear like a like what what's the benefit to

05:43:55.020 the man for dating an older woman because the reality is when it comes to dating we're all uh what's

05:44:00.960 the word we're all um trying to think what the greedy we all want the best that we can get we

05:44:08.900 want the most attractive person we want the person with the best x y whatever traits you know people

05:44:14.480 have different preferences on that but we're all trying to get the very best that we can get so i'm

05:44:21.480 just trying to understand like if men are dating younger women because and this does seem to be a trend

05:44:28.740 which would indicate to me that men are making some sort of value judgment value assessment that

05:44:33.800 younger women are more attractive whether that comes down to their looks personality whatever

05:44:38.720 they're making some value assessment there otherwise this if it wasn't the case

05:44:42.820 you know why why if there wasn't some increase in value why why would they they want to date these

05:44:52.260 younger women um i guess like can you make an argument as to like why should a man date an

05:44:57.980 older woman aside from just your shame tactics

05:45:00.640 i mean so older so you're saying in this situation so the man is the 19 year old and the woman is the

05:45:09.640 30 so in comparison to a younger woman so like why should a 35 year old date another 35 year old

05:45:16.200 versus say a 25 year old or a 20 year old i think so that you can have an equal

05:45:22.800 have have an equal yeah you can have an equal you have someone who you know can understand like

05:45:31.600 your shared experiences i feel like you guys are at the same stage in life someone who's 19

05:45:36.700 kind of someone who's 19 your age isn't you're i mean sorry your brain isn't done developing so it's

05:45:42.200 like i feel like you don't really know who you are yet you can give them children and this and that

05:45:47.660 and maybe you know a couple years from then you're like fuck you know i don't know uh why do we assign

05:45:53.780 those women to adulthood i i don't know the laws are put in place by men so can you tell me

05:46:00.280 do you think we should wait until they're 26

05:46:02.800 um i mean i think it would be wise to wait for everyone to be you know have their brain

05:46:12.440 do you think we should raise the age of adulthood to 26 i don't think it's a bad idea i mean you have

05:46:17.840 to rent you have to wait till you're 24 to rent a car so yeah so like let's say for instance a 28 year

05:46:23.940 old then was uh having sex with a 23 year old uh you would call him a a pdf file then no i mean i like

05:46:32.600 like i said i don't think five years that that's still that's the entailment right the entailment

05:46:36.780 is i said the age of consent to 26 i feel like you have that much in common 26 yeah you can't

05:46:41.720 consent until until you're 26 because you're not an adult then you would be saying that if a 28 year

05:46:46.940 old was banging a 25 year old he'd be a pdf file that's the actual logical entailment of it but when

05:46:52.440 you're 30 aren't you looking for somebody to be like um want a stable relationship and be committed

05:46:56.800 a 19 year old is going to be thinking about going partying and like not trying to necessarily sorry for age of

05:47:01.780 consent i thought we were talking about voting not i'm sorry sexual can children can can children

05:47:07.300 consent no okay so if you want to raise the age of adulthood to 26 anything under the age of 26 would

05:47:15.900 be considered what non-consensual a child right because they're not i mean i wouldn't say i wouldn't

05:47:24.500 say a child you're like i feel like you're still an adolescent what are you you're an adolescent i suppose

05:47:30.900 okay so an adolescent um so so they wouldn't be able to consent to sex so 25 year old right has

05:47:39.420 sex with a 27 year old in your worldview of raising the adulthood they would actually have penalties

05:47:45.900 and be considered some type of creeper because they had sex with this um not quite an adult at 26

05:47:53.420 woman doesn't that seem absurd right i mean it does that's why i said i feel like a five-year gap is

05:47:58.880 fine but 10 years is very strange to me you know like you have a whole decade on the person that's

05:48:04.500 just so how old are you 26 how old are you 26 you're 26 so so do you think that we we should

05:48:13.420 consider you if you were to have sex with a 25 year old have you ever had sex with a 25 year old at 26

05:48:18.840 no 24 no anybody younger than you no male or female no now you've never had sex your whole life

05:48:29.620 with anybody even one day younger than you really not that i can remember okay whatever fine but do

05:48:36.380 you really think that it's reasonable to say that they're 25 years old you're 26 you had sex with them

05:48:41.840 and they couldn't consent because they're no of course i think that's fine like i'm saying i think

05:48:46.380 a five-year gap for sex is fine you know in that case age of consent i mean then i would say like

05:48:53.480 you know voting consent um you know 25 26 i feel like sexual consent can be five years you know past

05:49:01.580 that i would say 20 would be fine well 35 year old and a 25 year old having sex that's no bueno

05:49:07.340 straight to jail for that guy i'm not saying straight to jail i'm just saying like it gives

05:49:11.460 me the ick that's my opinion oh it gives you the ick yeah but i mean what if somebody was like well

05:49:16.360 it gives me the ick if if if anybody around the same age is having sex that gives me the ick

05:49:21.900 does that does that sound reasonable it's like oh that's like having sex with your brother

05:49:27.880 we're all entitled to our opinion that's why i can't do younger younger guys because i have a little

05:49:32.300 brother so i cannot i have a child i don't want to be someone else's mommy but i also want to date

05:49:38.180 like i have 20 year age gap or maybe like a 10 year i'd be a little too much for me i'll stick to

05:49:42.160 the five-year age gap limit we stand on that you think that that should be in any way criminalized

05:49:48.200 though no no well then you're making then if it shouldn't be then you're then you are saying

05:49:53.660 that they are adults i just like they don't have that much in common you just you just personally

05:49:57.260 it gives you the ick that's it it's just that right it's just that from your perspective there's

05:50:03.380 like there you don't actually have a problem with it you just that it's just dick right i mean i have

05:50:08.780 a problem with it for my own like sense of integrity yeah well how would it violate your integrity

05:50:15.900 because i i just think you know obviously the mindset and the values of a 19 year old

05:50:23.680 and a 30 year old is completely different yeah that's my argument i don't think they're about

05:50:29.220 wait i don't know why their values would be different like what value difference do you want

05:50:33.920 to go party with a 19 year old every weekend like she wants to do or you would want to like to not

05:50:37.840 be going out and be more mature level-headed oh yeah oh no terrible so what you're saying is the

05:50:43.480 guy is like oh you can't go be a whore and you're like oh my god how could you could be so

05:50:47.480 controlling like don't you want to go to a nightclub and write a bunch of dicks andrew like

05:50:52.320 what's wrong with you no it's like that's the mentality of a 19 year old and like to go party

05:50:57.520 and like enjoy her youth and stuff like that a 30 year old he's over that they've been through that

05:51:01.360 you can also i don't understand why is the only way to enjoy your youth to go to a nightclub get

05:51:06.140 drunk and fuck dudes like why is that why is that my intentions when i go to the club must enjoy her

05:51:11.440 youth like isn't that wild yeah the best way for a 19 year old to enjoy her youth is to go out to

05:51:18.800 parties and get fucked yeah that doesn't sound like it's the best most optimal way to enjoy your

05:51:23.480 youth no it seems it seems to me like okay what if she was like okay well i just want to be your

05:51:33.740 wife for the rest of my life wait so sorry then lucky so yeah can i ask you a question look at you

05:51:40.040 yeah yeah sure go ahead your argument just so i'm understanding is that you know it's

05:51:47.600 better practice you think for women 19 to what did you say the child rearing prime is 27 to just

05:51:57.400 stay home those years and raise kids right you can argue a couple of years you could argue maybe

05:52:03.140 it's up to 29 or it's as low as 26 um but i i think that commonly if you were to say between 18

05:52:11.500 woman's body generally speaking uh is completely developed to 26 years old they're going to have

05:52:18.200 the easiest time with child rearing child child yeah i think that that's generally the best time i would

05:52:23.000 say yeah i mean i i can't argue with that i understand what you're saying yeah it was really easy for me

05:52:30.860 like also just i guess last thing on the age gap thing i my own anecdotal experience so i've dated

05:52:37.900 women who are older than me i've had age gaps in the opposite direction where i think i was 32 and i

05:52:44.740 did uh i think she's 44 45 i'm 35 is there was there a follow-up or for context okay yeah so uh when i was

05:52:57.200 31 i dated a woman who's 45 i've had uh i've dated some older other older women too i think i maybe not

05:53:04.080 quite as big as that one but like 33 40 something like that so um and then i've dated women my own

05:53:11.360 age plus or minus a couple years 19 year old huh ever a 19 year old well so obviously when i when i but when i was

05:53:18.660 younger yeah but uh yeah no i've dated uh i've dated uh in my 30s i have dated how about you date a 19

05:53:27.660 year old then you come and tell us how how it went i i have okay i have i've dated younger women

05:53:33.500 kind of around the spectrum you know the spectrum so my own anecdotal experience on this this trope

05:53:40.860 that women between the ages of 18 and 25 that they're like immature retards without a fully developed

05:53:46.600 brain is one insulting to young women and and two just not true from a my own anecdotal experience

05:53:52.780 um i think there's idiots at all ages there's people that you'll have a terrible time with at

05:54:00.380 any single age and i just it does not make sense to me like no matter what dating is difficult you're

05:54:08.640 going to encounter like a ton of people that just are not a match for you at any age my viewpoint on this

05:54:14.380 if you're like most men here's the reality we care a lot about looks younger women are typically

05:54:20.060 going to be better looking if you can get a younger like a younger woman why not i don't see

05:54:26.760 what's the actual objection and like i also think and also wait i'm sorry just one sec one sec

05:54:34.120 and so i mean it's it's like and also i mean i'm not trying to come off as superficial but like

05:54:43.560 there's plenty of really cool put together younger women like me for in their early 20s

05:54:49.900 and just because they're young doesn't mean that they're pieces of shit or they're going to treat

05:54:55.280 you poorly in fact i find the opposite to typically be true is that they tend to be better partners

05:55:01.560 they're more pleasant they have less uh trauma they have less baggage they have a lower body count

05:55:08.280 they're more physically like it's just like how dare these men want to date women who are more

05:55:14.360 physically attractive and have less relationship baggage and tend to be more pleasant individual

05:55:20.040 like i i just don't really understand the this argument at all um and uh can you explain the loaded

05:55:28.600 there's also brian i've noticed this i i wanted to get your take on this for a while sure what is

05:55:34.480 with the loaded sexual language around it like why do you want a woman who's freshly 18 right a

05:55:41.920 teenager 18 teenager right a teenager freshly 18 but it's sexually loaded almost like spoiled that's

05:55:48.500 what's so funny about it right like it's uh like it's something which has been uh spoiled if you go in

05:55:53.320 you go oh well they're fresh fresh meaning like uh you know like like how fruit is fresh right you

05:56:00.020 all everyone wants the fresh fruit nobody wants the rotten fruit but the idea almost here is that oh

05:56:06.240 you want them fresh when they're a when they're 18 and fresh like well wouldn't you would you want

05:56:12.540 them before they were spoiled so it's like to me it seems like the language actually plays in your favor

05:56:17.720 when women say that like fresh you know and if freshly 18 is like well yeah what do you want them

05:56:22.700 you want them spoiled at 25 then if they're only fresh at 18 i don't get it yeah i mean it is an

05:56:28.240 interesting component i mean you brought up the high school example but it's like i think to myself

05:56:32.400 okay well what if there's like some really dumb 25 year old is for some reason still in high school i

05:56:38.440 don't think the like i don't think it's so much the objection is the high school component it's

05:56:44.240 the age at the end of the day um but there is like a lot of shaming language they'll often say

05:56:49.860 like a teenager and someone can be 13 and a teenager and 19 and 24 hours away from turning uh 20 and

05:57:02.620 they're still a teenager it's just it's it is sort of this loaded language to try to like the spin

05:57:07.520 to try to frame it in the most unflattering light as possible trying to make you look like a pdf

05:57:12.520 essentially yeah essentially trying to make men look like their pdfs because they're attracted

05:57:17.740 to women who are younger who are in their childbearing career but but the counter to this

05:57:22.700 that i've heard and it is compelling to me but i never make this argument because even though it's

05:57:27.940 compelling to me i can't prove it right and usually i only like to make arguments i can prove

05:57:32.160 but i will say that the argument that i've heard that it's mostly women who are older are actually

05:57:38.960 jealous as shit of younger women being able to get the men in their age bracket that they actually

05:57:44.280 desire is the main motivation for why they're against age gap relationships i have never i don't

05:57:51.140 know how to demonstrate that logically so i don't make the argument but it is compelling to me so i

05:57:55.900 wonder what you thought about that right i mean i saw a lot of you or i saw a lot of women shaking

05:58:01.040 their nodding their heads right you guys agree with that or disagree or i mean a lot of older women

05:58:06.740 tend to be jealous of younger women in their youth yeah and the attention they get so i mean that's

05:58:12.060 you're not wrong i think it's an interesting argument just never thought about it yeah never

05:58:17.240 articulated it uh one i guess one thing on this andrew that that is interesting to me is that i think

05:58:24.440 they're like men's attraction for this is not like even really fully up to them insofar as

05:58:32.580 like attraction is typically not like a a choice and what i mean by that is like there's just like

05:58:40.660 sort of biological base biological evolutionary things that uh people find attractive and so like

05:58:49.740 for example i wouldn't um you can make similar arguments about like women like wanting to date

05:58:55.100 rich men but like this has a evolutionary biological basis women like a man who has resources

05:59:01.580 can provide for you and your children that's the basis for why women will find men with like status

05:59:07.060 or who are who are wealthy they'll find this it's not the only thing that you'll care about but

05:59:12.440 it'll be like something that'll make you more attracted to a guy and this is just rooted in

05:59:17.840 women's own evolution or like their own biology you are attracted to men who are capable of providing

05:59:24.660 for you who have resources and in the same way men men who are attracted to young adult women

05:59:33.260 that is also based in biology comes down to fertility yeah i mean it makes sense but the the question

05:59:42.640 the question i have too on the kind of jealousy front maybe i can get your takes on this right

05:59:47.240 the the idea here just being uh because brian brought up control and i and i like to think of it

05:59:53.660 from the same aspect is that well it's outside of your control now right so um if if men around

06:00:00.800 your your age bracket who have the resources that you desire you want to be with them based on let's

06:00:05.640 say those particulars i don't think that men generally give a shit that much about women's

06:00:11.080 interests i know that women bring this up all the time like what do you have in common with an 18 year

06:00:15.500 old it's like what do i have in common with a 35 year old what the hell do i have in common with a

06:00:19.840 35 year old woman they don't want to do fucking anything i want to do they don't want to go out

06:00:24.240 you know what i like to do i like to go out in the forest with a 357 and just randomly shoot rabbits

06:00:30.360 because i think it's fun they pop their head like a zit i'm just like bam bam and they just like drop

06:00:36.680 right women aren't into they don't care right now a buddy of mine might show up and he'd be like oh

06:00:42.120 yeah let's do the walk man let's do the whole the whole genocide forest package we're just gonna kill

06:00:46.360 everything that walks out there they're fine with it right they don't care what do i have in common

06:00:51.460 with with a woman in my age bracket exactly what like what is the thing i'm supposed to have in

06:00:56.920 common with her that i don't have in common with a 19 year old uh woman i'd actually like to know the

06:01:02.580 answer to that okay follow up on that andrew though that that's a great question does anybody

06:01:07.140 i don't know if we heard it tonight though did anybody have the commonality argument like what do

06:01:13.000 have in common what does a 30 year old have in common with a 19 year old right i think like

06:01:18.380 shared experiences with like the way you guys grew up you know growing up before internet dating was a

06:01:23.680 thing sometimes i had younger girls might have a different outlook on relationships because of how

06:01:28.880 we grew up i played diablo we won't know the same type of music y'all listen to or you know it's just

06:01:33.920 different areas like different life experiences they don't listen to the same shit i listen to now

06:01:38.980 yeah like i'm listening i'm listening to like 80s metal hairband right driving down the street

06:01:43.920 you got you know metallica's blasting guns and roses they don't want to hear that shit right they don't

06:01:50.060 want to hear that shit at my age so it's like what exactly is what are what are these interests exactly

06:01:56.000 that women in my age bracket are supposed to have with me that a woman at 18 19 doesn't have i'd

06:02:02.880 actually like to know this like what are the interests here i think maybe when they're younger

06:02:08.280 they're kind of worried about figuring themselves and like their lives out whereas when you're older

06:02:14.820 you kind of have your life already figured out and it's like you have space to take in a partner

06:02:19.460 when you're young you're kind of figuring yourself out really answering this question though yeah but

06:02:23.320 what about my question what is it what what are the interests i'm supposed to share with 35 40 year

06:02:28.880 old women like i wouldn't share with 18 or 19 year old like what are the actual interests because when i

06:02:33.640 think about it the more i think about it the more i realize uh me and my wife basically have no

06:02:39.180 fucking interests which are similar okay basically zero interests that are that similar the only thing

06:02:45.780 i i would say is like she likes to shoot guns that's about it right but really but really like she's

06:02:52.380 interested in doing nails and i don't give a shit about that she's interested in almost everything in

06:02:57.680 fact she's interested in i literally don't give a shit about it so it's like so so what are the

06:03:03.440 things that a 19 year old that i'm supposed to not have interest in when i don't have the interest

06:03:08.260 they have at 40 i don't get it um yeah like i mean at my younger age i'm not like worried about

06:03:15.000 settling down and having a family but maybe an older woman would be open to having a family and

06:03:20.740 settling down when you're younger maybe you're more in shape to be partying and clubbing and

06:03:26.200 spending your days out with friends all night and when you're older like trust me you're not trying

06:03:33.180 to go out yeah but you would agree with me that young women could definitely many young women have

06:03:37.700 an interest in having a family there's many young women who are interested in starting them young so

06:03:41.800 that could be something that we share as far as a desire we both have but what but when i'm talking

06:03:47.340 about commonality of interests like what what do we suppose we don't listen to the same music

06:03:52.040 right none of the activities we do are similar that we find to be relaxing or fun except maybe

06:03:57.620 watching tv but i assume a 19 year old girl probably likes to watch tv also right so it's like so so what

06:04:04.300 are these things like what are these commonalities exactly that men are supposed to be sharing with

06:04:08.760 women because uh like men like to grab in in the game red dead redemption 2 they like to grab random

06:04:15.940 uh you know like women on the street and throw them on the back of the horse and drive down to the

06:04:21.700 railroad tracks and throw the chick on the railroad just to watch the train hit her in the video game

06:04:25.560 women don't like to do that shit now men like to do that at 20 they like to do that at 40 they like

06:04:30.760 to do it at 60 it's like what is what are these commonalities exactly

06:04:34.500 i thought you here how about andrew what do you about what do you think about this one though

06:04:40.620 related to your question andrew if i'm dating a girl who is my exact same age but we have nothing

06:04:49.500 in common is that gross too like why would you date someone you don't have anything in common with

06:04:58.220 do you think i mean i think it's basically so so let me let me okay when it let's just say there's

06:05:04.400 a man and a woman and they have the exact same birth date same age what do they have in common that

06:05:11.780 would be sufficient enough for you to be like whoa we have so much in common i want to fuck you

06:05:18.180 said nobody ever

06:05:20.500 go ahead give me something well what it mostly boils down to for me is maturity that's my only

06:05:29.500 argument i feel like so then wouldn't you be with an older man so in common yeah like i said

06:05:37.360 growing up as like a gen x is different from growing up as like

06:05:41.020 i mean i guess i understand your movie references so like what if i dated somebody with like a

06:05:50.060 different nationality that was pretty funny what what if i dated somebody who's like a different

06:05:55.660 nationality we have way i would argue we have way less in common than like a 10 year age gap

06:06:03.700 yeah i think variety is the spice of life so i see your argument here like i am i not allowed

06:06:10.720 yeah you want i'm a predator for wanting to date like a like a latin american woman no because we have

06:06:19.220 nothing in common i don't who's my exact same age because we have nothing in common i don't know

06:06:24.600 i've met a lot of men that marry colombian women and they can't speak the same language and they

06:06:29.020 don't know their yeah they don't care yeah yeah they don't have it they don't have anything like

06:06:32.660 the thing is the more you think about it men just want attractive women that's it that's all they

06:06:37.640 care about yeah well my grandfather i think that that's reducible the same way as it is to say

06:06:43.700 well wait uh women only want men with big wallets right and it's like i don't i don't think that

06:06:49.660 that's the case i think that that yes attractiveness for men is like the primary goal

06:06:55.220 and perhaps resources for women primary goal i think that those are things they value perhaps

06:07:00.380 higher than other things but they still value other things i'm just saying the more i think about it

06:07:05.160 with couples basically almost any male female couple i've ever met in my life don't fucking have

06:07:11.020 anything in common at all like they really don't have that much in common there's a few of them who

06:07:16.140 do perhaps have more things in common than others but ultimately they don't really have that much in

06:07:21.280 common yeah they don't like to watch the same shows they don't like to you know they don't they

06:07:25.660 don't they really don't so inside this argument i've never gotten it really that's interesting

06:07:31.140 yeah it's uh it is so you're saying compatibility is not even based upon mutual interest well this is

06:07:40.220 kind of the yin and yang i've never thought so i've never thought it was like if wouldn't it be like

06:07:44.660 you might as well just be gay like if commonality like if if we are if the the the ultimate thing

06:07:52.340 that we're like trying to like that that fuels sexual attraction or relationship attraction

06:07:57.820 everyone just be gay you just date your same sex same penis double penis yeah you have you know

06:08:05.460 well i guess man he's got a beard you've got a beard you like traits in the partner that you're not

06:08:10.800 right yeah there's like different you know anyways sometimes or sometimes maybe you like traits that

06:08:15.420 they have like maybe you're a tall guy who really wants a tall woman that'd be a trait you have in

06:08:19.680 common but like when it comes to the commonality specifically in interest yeah right other than

06:08:24.420 religion i just don't see much i just really i don't i don't really see because totally interested

06:08:29.760 in very different things yeah different music different favorite colors different foods i mean i

06:08:36.660 hardly ever meet people who them and their partner same same everything

06:08:40.640 um let's see here um uh we're gonna move on to the next thing we do have a chat here that's

06:08:49.980 anisa can i have you read this one question for the panel if a man comes up to you and puts you

06:08:57.160 into a conundrum by asking can i tell you something explicit does he have a 75 chance of getting with you

06:09:05.120 yeah so here's the scenario i'll paint this scenario for you guy walks over to you in a club

06:09:09.800 and he says hey baby can i tell you something explicit and then you say yes and then he hits

06:09:16.980 you with a logic bomb which puts you in a conundrum does that mean he has a 75 chance of sleeping with

06:09:22.160 no no i didn't i didn't think it did

06:09:27.200 uh we don't go to clubs we're not going to linger too long on these two but a lot of you disagreed

06:09:34.260 men are not insecure controlling for wanting their partner to not go to bars clubs etc and then also

06:09:40.700 not wanting their partner to dress less revealingly um a lot of you disagreed

06:09:45.820 um we kind of talked a little bit about it earlier just show of hands who disagreed on those

06:09:53.400 i think emily you disagreed

06:09:59.020 uh okay um actually i'm just going to skip over that one just for the sake of time

06:10:06.660 uh why don't we move to let me just see uh amelia hold on one sec guys

06:10:17.260 amelia i you disagreed sorry guys figuring out the note shit here uh you disagree i said

06:10:31.340 in this women have equal rights to men you disagree um that women have equal rights to men

06:10:38.280 yeah well women do have some equal rights like towards men we're able to vote right we're able to

06:10:45.580 um work if we want to it's not suppressed like we used to be like back in like the 50s or the 40s

06:10:51.620 where women were only having to be at home and be stay-at-home moms and like now we have freedom

06:10:56.760 to do what we want and so yeah that's what i disagree on but so okay um we have the same rights

06:11:05.320 as men now that's before we did not right so but the it was women have equal rights to men you disagree

06:11:12.600 oh i meant i agreed then sorry okay um moving on then once cali's back here i guess i'll get into this

06:11:26.760 uh so look i've been ignoring this for a while now but it's been 30 minutes going on here so um

06:11:36.120 brigitte you've been back there on your phone for 30 minutes what's going on

06:11:43.640 huh thank you for clarifying how you pronounce your name

06:11:48.600 that's not my name brigitte no diana gina gina what

06:12:02.520 it's what

06:12:06.520 oh okay i got you mixed up with your gina oh okay i mixed you up okay in any case

06:12:17.000 the name has been corrected your name is gina what's going on back there

06:12:32.920 um

06:12:38.120 hold on hold on

06:12:42.920 you want to say this on camera or no but we can't really hear I don't know if the

06:13:11.880 chat can hear so okay so um so you guys were an hour late the show is going later we started the

06:13:25.560 show this is one of the rare times we've started a show this late we started like 20 minutes late

06:13:29.840 you guys were an hour late I'd rather not feel I'm okay I thank you for the thank you for the

06:13:35.740 offer though how long did you you had an energy shot so okay well uh

06:13:47.260 so

06:13:50.280 I mean you've only been here for six

06:13:56.260 I'm pretty sure it was disclosed to you I'm not sure

06:14:05.860 with who

06:14:16.580 okay so you were how long have you been scheduled to come on the podcast

06:14:25.460 so all you had to do you were you had access to the whatever Instagram all you had to do to

06:14:34.280 did you look into the show at all because the length of the show you literally just have to

06:14:39.280 go to the YouTube channel and you would have figured that out that's on you look I we have

06:14:43.820 a third party who's handling some guest bookings I would have to ask her what she told you I don't

06:14:49.580 have that in front of me I don't know what she told you in any case you guys were an hour late

06:14:54.700 I don't know what to tell you

06:14:57.260 we tried to go live at 5 p.m

06:15:04.700 no we didn't it was like 5 20 or 5 30 because you two were late in addition to that she let your

06:15:13.100 friend she took up seat she left without letting anybody know just left and then you've been in

06:15:22.060 the bathroom on the phone with her you've been back here texting it's were you not on the phone in

06:15:29.340 the bathroom were you not

06:15:31.340 that's cool so I want to continue on with the show it's clear that you're not going to come back to the panel

06:15:51.020 uh do you realize

06:15:59.820 first off I don't know what anisa said maybe I'll know what she told you uh yeah you can't just come

06:16:06.540 on and be like I'm just going to stay in the background that's what you're doing you should

06:16:13.340 have done your research I'll have to I'll call up kelly who booked you and she'll tell me exactly

06:16:22.300 what went down I don't know all the details then you should have done your due diligence not having

06:16:27.340 not known how long the show was you should have done your due diligence and figured that out

06:16:32.140 she did she provide you that did kelly provide you the link to the podcast

06:16:45.100 then you should have checked out the channel and figured it out then I don't know what to tell you

06:16:52.940 okay well I guess you can leave then I don't know what else to tell you I'm gonna get back to the

06:16:57.180 show though so can you leave you I don't know what to tell you but like you've been getting up

06:17:04.140 all the time you've been you were in the bathroom yeah you you were late you were late

06:17:11.980 that fucked us and our production over first you guys say 4 15 then you say 4 30 then you say 4 50

06:17:20.060 no you said 4 15 you said 4 15 and then you said 4 30 then you said 4 50 and then you guys got

06:17:26.700 here at 5 5 p.m we told you to be here at 4 p.m sharp you're not going to rejoin the panel let me

06:17:34.380 get back to the show there are people who are here nah you can just leave honestly you've you can just

06:17:41.260 nah you're you're not getting paid well it doesn't stay on the contract and that's what the message

06:17:45.900 is said like i've been here for six yeah but you have to hold up your end of the deal wait we're

06:17:51.420 getting paid like saying like oh i'm gonna fucking leave all i said i asked her can i just stay

06:17:55.980 around because i feel like shit jenna i haven't ate for so long so would like if she was doing

06:18:01.100 i'm holding on hold on you're fucking up you guys were fucking an hour late now you're

06:18:08.300 fucking interrupting our just just leave bro actually eaten and we're just trying to get a

06:18:12.380 podcast done we're all here doing our own thing if you want to be here be here please please leave

06:18:17.660 please leave because like i'm we're all struggling bro take some fucking accountability you're you

06:18:24.060 no you're not you're an hour late you're fucking back there on your phone for the past 30 minutes

06:18:29.580 you you have this is why the wage gap exists bro you have it's fucking crazy dude take some

06:18:42.540 fucking accountability you guys were late your friend fucks shit up you fuck shit up at this

06:18:49.260 you're in a party you're in a party with your girlfriend she dipped she left she took up a seat

06:18:54.060 anyways i'm not holding that specifically against you but here i'm trying to get back to the show i

06:18:58.540 can't be arguing with you bro i don't even know what to say at this point i think you should just leave

06:19:03.900 because you're just fucking you're not contributing you've been fucking back there already we already

06:19:09.260 we're already gonna have a fucking dispute over pay because you're an hour fucking late and you've

06:19:13.740 been sitting back there for fucking 30 minutes on your fucking phone if i'm feeling straight i'm

06:19:19.180 gonna be right there with a smile would you pay somebody who does half a job they fix half your

06:19:23.260 fucking car yeah you're half a job right now i'm not feeling well like you know it's just

06:19:28.060 fucking being on the table like i'm trying to like call myself together like what do you want me to

06:19:31.900 do like i don't feel well i don't know man take the l and leave i guess if you're not feeling well

06:19:35.740 you can leave you're already an hour late you've already been fucking up the production

06:19:39.180 i think you should you can just leave at this point

06:19:44.940 because you've been whinging for the past fucking 10 minutes you're you're clearly not ready to

06:19:49.820 participate because your headache and your headache and you can't see and all this

06:19:53.260 shit i'm not saying i couldn't see i never i just said my heart started being really fast

06:19:57.180 yeah so she isn't that common from a fucking energy drink i don't even know what five hours

06:20:01.420 because she poured the little shot in there just like that so i drank it off and then i went back

06:20:05.900 and i said oh who poured the who oh that's the other panelists i didn't see the little fucking cup

06:20:12.460 you mean a what is it 130 milligrams of caffeine is that what we're fucking arguing about stop hey you

06:20:17.500 guys be quiet well that's that's on you we tell here did we tell you beforehand to have a full

06:20:25.740 fucking meal what do i do i don't know i think you leave that's what you do so she didn't say that

06:20:31.260 though i said you have to well yeah but she told me oh go and then go back i made food anisa was very

06:20:39.660 nice she cooked you a meal huh she gave wow she you should reimburse her you need to reimburse her

06:20:48.700 for the food you took from her are you going to reimburse my my employee are you going to reimburse

06:20:54.540 my employee yeah one bite how much is that's that's at least a dollar the food here is very expensive

06:21:01.820 it's very expensive and anisa is a broke college student you deprived her i'm getting hungry too

06:21:07.420 poor anisa and that's not a race thing she was eating rice or something

06:21:15.660 i can't wait to eat after this i don't know what to tell you man just go i'll give you 20 bucks or

06:21:20.700 something i don't know i'm not then i would just say that nah you can just leave it's only about money

06:21:24.940 to you you're wasting everybody else's fucking time seriously i seriously wanted to you don't give a

06:21:29.980 fuck about anybody but yourself let's not talk about you though let's not talk about you you don't

06:21:34.940 don't call me don't call me that you can get the fuck off the podcast you're wasting everybody's

06:21:38.060 fucking time yeah really i think you're gonna start just relax i think we should just relax

06:21:43.500 you can i think we should relax

06:21:46.860 do you want water no i'm i just drink water right now

06:21:52.780 let's finish the podcast so we can go outside have the same energy with your words have the same energy

06:21:58.620 because you're real barking right now but have some have the same energy baby you know everybody's

06:22:06.380 shut up can we just can we just stop with the cattiness because there's no cattiness around

06:22:12.060 here let's have the same energy okay have the same energy cool because don't talk to me any type of way

06:22:18.700 baby then get off the fucking show can we just like relax you let's not let's not talk about you

06:22:24.460 miss baby crier okay y'all want some real viral content y'all want some real viral content i'll give

06:22:30.380 y'all he loves it he loves this he loves it he loves it do you not love it you love the drama this is

06:22:37.180 what this is what gets more views okay and let's not talk about you okay let's not talk i'm i'm being

06:22:41.980 very respectful i'm being very respectful okay miss pet owner the go talk to your doggy go talk to

06:22:53.100 your dog you're a shitty ass person go cry go cry boo boo go cry i'm agreeing with this man right here

06:22:58.860 go cry go cry again it's agreeing with this man right here go cry again okay miss pet owner yeah

06:23:04.700 pet owner yeah come at me yeah okay let's stop let's see if you actually can do it okay let's

06:23:09.820 okay let's all press charges okay okay let's start charges let's stop let's stop let's just relax

06:23:15.980 we are cute in this so getting mad over what no i like no one's talking to your differences hey

06:23:23.260 come on step in you have daughters and how it is no one's talking about you

06:23:27.260 okay can we stop with that name calling can we stop i'm so offended i'm so offended

06:23:46.620 oh didn't you want to okay miss porn star miss motherfucking oh i'm fucking crying because

06:23:52.300 i treat men like i'm crying i'm crying because i treat men like oh my god boo-hoo like you don't

06:23:59.180 boo-hoo talk boo-hoo boo-hoo cool and you're cool bitch you wish look as good as me you wish

06:24:05.340 a bitch stand up stand up no stand up let's go stand up exactly exactly exactly stand up can we not

06:24:16.380 no exactly prove my point you're you're not gonna stand up you're not gonna stand up cool

06:24:20.300 because you're insecure you're a little insecure black bitch cool you're mad oh i hope y'all

06:24:27.500 y'all heard y'all heard what she said yeah i said black there's nothing wrong with that

06:24:31.500 it's called freedom of speech welcome to america yeah good for you this is a podcast

06:24:35.820 that's why you're the only one on here who looks like a boy everyone look at the camera

06:24:39.660 does not she look like a man let's look at the camera she look like a man

06:24:43.820 why are we talking down on us right now because she wants to start and then

06:24:47.500 but we should not be starting anything yeah you shouldn't the podcast and like you know exactly

06:24:52.380 she didn't have to butt in but she want to be barking her big ass mouth okay okay cool cool cool

06:24:59.260 be lazy bitch all you've been doing is crying and talking about how you treatment like

06:25:02.460 shit okay that's all you've been doing being in the back that's all you've been doing that's

06:25:05.900 all you've been doing questions are we doing no one wants you here okay cool that's why you have no

06:25:10.380 no motherfucking real man that's how you pay for this shit you have no man all right you have no

06:25:15.500 man oh they don't pay your bills you and sugar mommy oh you're gold digging yeah for sure whatever

06:25:21.820 you want to think baby go back to whatever you want to think cool whatever you want to think

06:25:26.060 y'all whatever you want to think y'all get back into business keep going with this because it's true

06:25:31.420 like girl it wants to talk like okay black bitch i'm latina i get it fucking right who the

06:25:37.980 fuck is black soy latina pendeja don't get it motherfucking twisted because if you want to be

06:25:43.740 barking we'll go outside we'll go outside let's see if your words match oh let's go let's go okay

06:25:49.660 cool cool yeah because your words ain't matching your words ain't matching so okay okay be a peacemaker

06:25:56.940 it's not working okay wait are you saying black or yeah she's saying black and fat she's saying

06:26:02.380 black black and fat okay maybe avoid the thank you thank you thank you exactly maybe avoid thank you

06:26:08.460 you fucking racist ass weirdo oh my god black what the fuck excuse me black people are beautiful

06:26:15.100 black people are beautiful this is my first podcast though it's pretty i'm acting kettle not my

06:26:21.020 motherfucking fault is it always can you guys not be uh thank you thank you why are you calling me

06:26:27.740 she's been calling me black she's been calling me black no she's been calling me black more than

06:26:34.220 five times she just called me it really shows the racism okay the show with the fighting so

06:26:41.340 nobody gives a bad girl so i hope everyone knows that she doesn't like black people

06:26:46.460 club she's a racist guys stop stop with the in america okay stop can you stop with the the racism

06:26:52.220 shit thank you thank you let's put that aside thank you thank you thank you let's put that aside

06:26:58.940 nobody cheers stop stop stop hey you guys stop yeah you probably should you probably should can you

06:27:09.340 guys okay you guys are you mad are you well no i feel violated you guys she's so scared

06:27:16.700 no you're not they love this shit they love this shit of course they do who doesn't like some

06:27:20.860 little drama okay oh well oh well don't speak up don't speak up because no one was even talking to

06:27:27.340 your weird ass nobody was talking to you girl like you need to pipe the down it's okay i understand why

06:27:32.460 you're like that because you're so miserable i understand the referee five thousand i understand why

06:27:37.180 she's mad she's miserable like she treats her men like puppies or dog even how the guy said it she

06:27:44.380 should be crying she's a horrible person keep going you're a horrible person you know you are

06:27:48.940 yeah but look how you talk okay i don't care i don't care that's how i speak okay it doesn't matter

06:27:54.620 cool cool cool cool don't give us a fuck cool cool holy fuck bro god damn like all we learned from you

06:28:01.420 today is that you're a racist you treat men like shit and you're a baby crying ass that's all we

06:28:05.660 learned from you like that's all we learned from you that you're racist you treat men like

06:28:09.820 you treat people like and you have mental issues you have mental issues you have mental and your

06:28:16.540 body she mean women oh oh girl thank you for that you see all these women in here i'm pretty sure they

06:28:21.820 agree with me now it's your racist ass you're weird as fuck what the hell does race have to do with

06:28:26.700 anything guys stop holy we can go in order and see who you guys agree with we can go in order we can

06:28:34.380 order we can go in order how about you both how about how about uh we can go in order yeah this ass is

06:28:40.620 real fat fatter than yours pookie so way better than yours fatter than yours fatter than yours yes

06:28:48.700 fatter than yours of course of course that's fat and you're mad your man would look all up in this ass

06:28:55.020 i know he would he would look at me and be like god damn

06:28:58.940 let's not talk about that okay okay okay okay your man would love this let me tell you that

06:29:04.460 keep waiting yeah your man would love this he would okay he would he would he would of course

06:29:12.140 of course girl that's why you're racist that's why you're racist hey can we stop can you guys uh

06:29:18.300 why don't you guys both be quiet that'd be nice thank you thank you for the house yeah you guys can

06:29:21.980 both uh kindly uh shut the fuck up yeah shut the fuck up both of you i will shh shh shh what

06:29:28.860 no more side comments nobody even likes you um how about both of you shut up how about how about

06:29:36.860 that um yeah with your little slide okay you both of you have to you gotta be quiet you gotta be quiet

06:29:46.620 i'm gonna move this on okay you guys are gonna be here you're gonna be quiet look at me you're gonna

06:29:50.300 be quiet you're gonna be quiet good does she agree not to talk to me all right just here why don't you

06:29:56.860 both be quiet for like five minutes okay and let the shit reset dude i don't give a

06:30:01.420 fuck stop with the both of you stop cut that shit out cut out both of you okay i'm moving i'm moving

06:30:08.940 i'm moving this shit on all right uh what the were we talking about we're talking about equal rights

06:30:14.780 uh okay women are not oppressed there were disagreements on that anybody

06:30:20.780 i feel like women were oppressed but we're not you disagree that women are not uh but are currently

06:30:28.700 yeah women are not oppressed who disagrees they were they're not anymore i don't think

06:30:34.780 is that a good statement in case the what that women were oppressed before but now they're not

06:30:41.100 out of not as oppressed like they were before so i'm tired now nobody like half of you literally

06:30:50.700 circled that nobody's gonna

06:30:56.540 cali you you circled it i mean um i wanted to talk about you know um you know women and men having

06:31:05.340 equal rights i mean i don't think that's true um because you know women's reproductive rights in

06:31:15.660 certain states um you know uh are under you know law by men but there's no reproductive rights against

06:31:26.620 men for vasectomies you know and not being able to get procedures like that so there's no reproductive

06:31:32.860 there's no law against women getting their tubes tied yeah i'm sorry that was a bad argument but

06:31:38.220 why is there that's okay control for women but there's no birth control for me yeah i guess that's

06:31:42.140 that's the argument i meant i'm sorry i'm tired y'all is there there is birth control from it yeah

06:31:48.540 watching star wars what why actually the pill form of birth control for men's been available

06:31:55.580 uh for years but it's just that pharmaceutical companies don't want to release it how does that

06:32:00.620 even work for men why they all it does well it destroys the sperm and the semen that's what it

06:32:06.700 does or it blocks it i'm not sure scientifically how it works but there is actually a pill

06:32:11.980 for men that's way safer than the pill for women because the pill that you have to take

06:32:16.860 unfortunately has all sorts of hormone problems than the pill that men could sign effect does not

06:32:21.740 but it's not readily available for men isn't that strange that is it's kind of weird okay so is there

06:32:30.380 anything else you can think of besides like uh no it's reproductive all right so women have equal rights

06:32:36.860 yes no i don't i don't okay what right so what right does a man have that a woman does it um i mean

06:32:43.900 men are stripping away you know women's reproductive rights in certain states not california but texas

06:32:51.260 i forget the other states you know it's like illegal to get an abortion that's pretty scary

06:32:56.060 well what but so men don't have a right to abortion so how would that be a

06:33:01.260 right that a man has that a woman doesn't i mean it's just equality it's inequality how wouldn't it

06:33:08.780 one can't have abortions though yeah so like wouldn't this actually wouldn't the true equality be

06:33:16.700 abortion is just nationwide ban that would actually be equality wouldn't it yeah i understand so you're

06:33:23.180 in favor of equality i mean i'm in favor of equality for sure so you're in favor of a nationwide abortion

06:33:31.980 ban no that's not what i'm saying not in favor of equality no i'm pro-choice but you said it

06:33:38.780 you said it would be equality right i'm tired okay clearly yeah sorry so

06:33:47.980 i don't really think i can debate this topic very much because my argument was bad and i don't really

06:33:53.100 understand how to structure it right now so right let's just put aside the abortion thing okay anything

06:33:57.420 else no okay all right and then um i'm trying to see here if there's women should be drafted

06:34:05.900 gina disagrees amelia disagrees if we were to get drafted i don't feel like you know like andrew said

06:34:13.900 woman wouldn't be as useful to get this killed in the front line easily but compared to men don't

06:34:19.260 women go in the military like that is yeah yeah so strong okay actually we're strong y'all but

06:34:25.500 compared to men we're not as strong as i'm trying to say that's true that is biologically men are

06:34:30.140 stronger than women or am i wrong yeah that's well that's not the that's not the primary reason maybe

06:34:35.740 ronda rousey can be more um stronger than a man you know who knows well i mean you're right you are

06:34:43.900 correct i mean of course generally men are stronger than women i don't think anybody's going to dispute

06:34:47.580 that but the main reason that you don't want women in combat roles in the military is because

06:34:52.220 the enemy will essay them yeah and that's highly demoralizing to the men on your side to have the

06:34:59.740 women of your country sent back pregnant uh by the enemy that would be highly demoralizing right yeah

06:35:05.900 or if women died in war there'll be less women to like give birth for the next generation as well

06:35:10.380 because it'd be like wiped out right that's true that's another that's another side effect but the

06:35:15.340 the big thing is it's like so so men are going to be stronger in frontline combat there's no doubt about

06:35:19.580 that there's never been a female uh navy seal for instance for this reason it's because um that the

06:35:25.340 strength requirements just are are so different but there's all sorts of other side effects that

06:35:30.860 people don't think about like if you were the general of the of the enemy's army and they were sending

06:35:36.300 women after your troops what would you instruct your army to do to them is there women and swat

06:35:42.620 teams or is it just only men very almost very very rarely that women are part of special weapons and

06:35:48.460 tactics groups so that's a swat team right special weapons attacks very rare um though i'm sure i'm

06:35:54.300 sure that there's cases and instances where it happens i'm not saying that there couldn't be some

06:35:57.900 women who could be great soldiers i wouldn't i wouldn't make that claim i'm sure yeah i'm sure that

06:36:02.780 there's some uh but i don't i'm not sure why they wouldn't be at the mercy of being essayed by the

06:36:07.740 enemy though you know it seems like they still would be so yeah yep easier target for sure uh just

06:36:15.340 to move things along here emily you're the only person who disagreed with this one it's not straight

06:36:21.820 for a man to date a trans woman and we will say that's queer yeah i said i was clear too

06:36:27.980 about one i guess nobody read the question right i disagree that it is does it say not straight

06:36:36.140 holy fuck oh my god reading comprehension um

06:36:41.500 so okay what's the question it's not here okay question a man dating a trans woman straight or gay

06:36:50.460 okay okay all right that was a never mind then uh so i think nobody thinks that that's what's your

06:36:57.020 opinion on that do you think a man is straight if they date a trans woman have you ever dated a

06:37:01.180 trans woman no i mean trans are beautiful there's some beautiful trans women don't even look like

06:37:06.940 they're yeah what would you do if you like fell in love with i would not fall in love with the

06:37:11.420 train but how would you and then you didn't know and you were like the moment of me no no no like

06:37:17.260 what if she had like that's literally that's literally like if you don't disclose your

06:37:22.540 trans status yeah yeah i think that that's essay yeah well i guess you're saying it would be

06:37:28.460 non-consensual because you're not consenting to being with a man right that's just deceiving

06:37:33.500 you know if they're not disclosing that would i think that that's essay 100 percent essay

06:37:38.860 but yeah it would be gay exactly thank you a man dating a trans woman that's that's what if they

06:37:43.740 had the gender reconfiguration even if they have a she huh even if she i i mean you're not gonna like

06:37:54.460 this but like i don't i don't subscribe to your gender ideology so i don't even this is just like

06:38:03.260 pretty much i think in an ultimate defeater in all instances i don't believe in gender i believe in sex

06:38:09.420 sex so okay so he she trust the science trust the science so i don't yeah gender i i don't look at

06:38:20.940 people as men and well men and women is like pointing towards their sex yeah so you're like

06:38:27.260 amab afab that's how you see them assigned male at birth assigned female at birth you mean you mean

06:38:33.260 no they're male is that an assignment or a biological reality so for me they're male or they're female

06:38:39.980 so amab or afab is how you see people not their gender identity not how i see them as male they're

06:38:46.140 currently male or they're currently female okay whether you get a whether you get the puberty

06:38:52.780 blockers whether you put on the wig whether you get breast implants whether you get the uh

06:38:58.060 uh uh gender the genitalia procedure or whatever you're still a male thank you

06:39:06.380 do i love how you're eating popcorn while watching us but so um for that entertaining you're shaking

06:39:13.340 your head you how can you disagree with me though you would have to i mean even if you're all for the

06:39:21.500 transgender stuff and i don't hate transgender people don't have a problem with them at all when

06:39:27.580 in day one but you would have to agree with me that these people these transgender women are still

06:39:34.220 male i think they're a woman but they could be amab assigned male at birth but i would still see them

06:39:40.540 as a woman assigned assigned male at birth no so okay you use the word male so men and men and

06:39:47.900 male at least in your world view are different we're talking about gender identity here yeah but

06:39:53.500 male is not a male is not a gender male is a sex right and that's your argument so i'm saying

06:39:59.100 so you know i can still i can acknowledge that someone's amab but i could still see them as a

06:40:05.180 woman if they're a woman now yeah but okay so present day you're saying assigned male at birth

06:40:10.460 you're assigned male right now what a transgender woman is assigned male yes right now assigned male

06:40:21.100 at birth no i assign malehood to you in california no no no no no changed on their license like so

06:40:28.140 just because a government document says something does that mean that's the truth

06:40:31.500 i honor that however you came to this world that's who you are but hold on so i assign malehood to

06:40:40.060 transgender women does that compute i understand what you're saying no but they're not just assigned

06:40:48.300 male at birth their malehood persists and the do you agree or disagree i disagree so that's a woman

06:40:57.580 i see her as a woman sure so their male their malehood does not persist so they're female correct

06:41:04.220 how do they well okay no i'm sorry i wouldn't i wouldn't necessarily say i wouldn't say that's a

06:41:08.220 female because that's like what are they if they're not a female that's a woman that's a lady

06:41:12.060 that's a she her if they're not a female they must be what she her no no no what's okay you agree

06:41:20.460 that there's you agree that there's male and female i'm really not having this argument with you i

06:41:24.940 think this is a dumb argument because you're intellectually coward a coward or no i just i

06:41:29.260 think it's a done dumb argument like i told you i can acknowledge someone's you know amab afab you

06:41:35.100 know but i can see them for their gender identity and i will acknowledge and respect them as their

06:41:39.660 gender identity it doesn't mean they're not amab or afab how about instead of gender identity

06:41:45.580 their sex reality what do you mean

06:41:53.340 do you have anything you'd like to know what does sex reality mean like what does that just

06:41:56.700 like made that up right now okay oh it's not sex is not made up right now well he's saying presently

06:42:02.460 right does that matter yeah it doesn't matter i mean i don't really care as long as people are

06:42:07.420 happier than a day like that's their life exactly bring andrew back is oh he's frozen

06:42:12.460 not so i believe just once he's fixed or whatever it's funny huh he's eating popcorn

06:42:20.780 this is frozen okay he's gonna he's gonna rejoin us um

06:42:27.660 i think for you i think whatever you want to believe in that makes you happy you have the right

06:42:31.340 to do that you're an adult you have the free it doesn't mean it's true well in her opinion she

06:42:37.340 believes it is in your opinion it's not about opinion it's about fact okay but what is what

06:42:42.540 you guys speak into the mic miss what i'm sorry what is the how do you define a fact in an opinion

06:42:47.660 like like how do you everybody's like opinion in fact can be different no facts cannot be different

06:42:54.460 opinions can be different facts cannot be different i just yeah she's happy she's that's why it's called

06:43:00.860 factual okay i acknowledge that trans people exist but it's like there's just objective truth so again

06:43:12.620 i'd like to ask you you would acknowledge that a transgender woman is male

06:43:20.700 amab but yes male but i mean to me but you just she her still a woman sure okay fine i'll even

06:43:28.300 abide by your world view thank you that she has changed her gender yeah the transgender woman

06:43:36.060 her gender is woman right uh but her sex is

06:43:43.340 but then okay once really biologically once they've had the hormone blockers you know or

06:43:48.780 whatever you call it it's like physiology wise isn't that a woman i already granted to you it's a woman

06:43:56.300 what i'm asking though is it a female no so a transgender woman is a male agree

06:44:09.100 i'm not answering this question but i don't understand okay i don't agree but you just said

06:44:15.340 it's not she uh a transgender woman i think i would say amab no i think no you just said i think a

06:44:20.540 a transgender woman is not female ergo she is yeah i'm not using this like derogatory language

06:44:28.860 just to be clear it's derogatory to call a male a male

06:44:36.380 how why would that be derogatory

06:44:41.020 i mean you can look at me but or you could say what's on your mind i don't have anything else to

06:44:46.140 say to you do you want to concede the argument no okay so well i'm gonna i'm done with this

06:44:54.220 conversation i mean you can keep talking i suppose i will keep i suppose i will keep talking um

06:45:00.220 i mean you've already granted that a transgender woman is not female so what must they be

06:45:05.180 i want to be girl she her she her i mean whatever that person wants to hold on is this just like a

06:45:18.140 cognitive dissonance dissonance thing or did andrew raid us or what happened yeah

06:45:26.140 that's weird did he raid us guys or what happened chat um

06:45:35.180 well i'm gonna come right back to you but emily oh no you you already corrected your position on

06:45:55.660 this right okay you it's not straight for a man yeah to date a trans woman okay and i agree with her

06:46:02.060 yeah so i guess again i'll grant to you that a transgender woman i don't believe this but i'll

06:46:08.140 just grant it for the sake of the argument a transgender woman is a woman but you would

06:46:12.620 have to agree that it's a transgender woman is not a female and is in fact male

06:46:19.980 i agree with that i mean this is just total intellectual cowardice i don't understand why

06:46:24.140 you won't engage with the conversation i agree with that okay cool you're just gonna stare or what

06:46:31.580 yes okay um can you define woman for me

06:46:41.740 i think this is not a conversation how about you tilt your mic no it's okay i mean i'm done having

06:46:47.420 this conversation well i mean i would like to have the conversation because you said it was derogatory

06:46:52.060 to call a male a male so i just want to make sure we're living on the same planet here

06:46:56.620 why would it be derogatory to call a male a male

06:47:06.300 makes sense you're just gonna look you can just keep looking at me or you gonna

06:47:10.620 is this cognitive dissonance do you want to reconsider your position

06:47:14.140 even a lot of transgender activists

06:47:24.300 don't make the argument that a trans woman

06:47:27.420 is female so i don't see what your

06:47:33.900 most my understanding most trans activists don't think that there's an actual change of

06:47:38.620 the sex once you transition

06:47:44.300 is is this what you do in your relationships you just stonewall

06:47:47.020 it's good it's good it's a it's an abuse tactic but okay

06:47:55.100 well we haven't this woman is abusive because she's stonewalls but okay

06:48:05.180 i mean essentially um what have you messaged andrew is everything okay let me uh

06:48:11.500 check my text messages like disappeared you said i'm tired guys they're red right my eyes right

06:48:20.220 right now because it's my eye lens oh yeah is it going in your eye yeah i think so but i'm holding on um

06:48:34.460 i'm just waiting for you to say something i mean

06:48:36.300 just agree with him

06:48:46.300 well they were going there do you want to come back they're good now

06:48:49.660 i was cool sitting between them i can sit back there if you want me to go yeah i just don't have

06:48:55.500 that much like space here yeah i just didn't want do you think um do you think like transgender

06:49:01.180 women should do you think trans what about like in sports do you think transgender women should be

06:49:08.220 allowed to play in women's sports oh wait what was the question i'm asking her oh i think it's

06:49:16.380 unfair transgender women should be allowed to play with women it's unfair yes if she's a woman then she

06:49:24.860 can play sports with other women even in like sports like boxing or like that sort of thing yes yeah

06:49:37.500 do you think um do you think women like so you're saying okay when it comes to the sports thing if they

06:49:43.260 take the estrogen or whatever and they've lowered their testosterone level you think that that that's

06:49:48.860 what makes a woman a woman is her endocrine system no i'm saying if she identifies as a woman then

06:49:54.620 she's a woman i see her as a woman oh so she doesn't even have to take uh like hormones to compete

06:50:00.060 against women in women's sports if you can give birth you're a woman if you can't give birth you're

06:50:04.220 not a woman can i say that i can identify as whatever i want if they can i feel like that's a

06:50:09.020 good point right there so i choose to identify as the correct person on this matter and i would like

06:50:15.020 for you to affirm my identity a woman is a person who could give birth no i would like here i would

06:50:21.740 like for you i identify as correct on this matter and i wish for you to affirm my identity

06:50:30.140 if you don't you're a bigot okay slay queen

06:50:37.980 go baby girl it's very derogatory that you will not affirm my my identity why won't you

06:50:44.140 we can agree to disagree can you turn your mic down and speak we can agree to disagree i don't

06:50:51.420 agree to disagree i i will agree that you're wrong and i'm right that's your opinion it's not my opinion

06:51:01.740 uh okay well i mean you're just conceding the argument then i mean

06:51:05.580 it's kind of like if you're playing soccer um morgan over here she's she plays soccer

06:51:16.060 and if the other team just stands there and then just

06:51:19.500 lets the other team just keep scoring i mean you're just essentially conceding okay okay all right well

06:51:27.660 um

06:51:31.500 i disagree to disagree that's fine everyone's entitled to their opinions here all right well i mean uh

06:51:44.700 let me ask you this though but if if a transgender i'm confused though if a transgender woman is a woman

06:51:50.860 then surely you must believe they would be straight for a man to date a trans woman right no i still think

06:51:59.660 it's queer okay

06:52:04.540 um so okay last time

06:52:10.380 is a male a male

06:52:15.180 yes

06:52:15.500 is it so a transgender woman who's a male

06:52:22.460 is a male

06:52:25.500 no that's a woman i don't think you should reduce her to her previous whatever like however you see

06:52:32.460 her and however she identifies that's how i see her and i don't think you should reduce women

06:52:37.340 to a costume

06:52:38.220 you think women are just a costume i'm so confused i don't know what you're saying

06:52:45.260 well essentially

06:52:46.940 you can you can be a transgender woman if you get fake boobs you put on a wig you put on some makeup

06:52:53.260 i don't think that's really the essence of what a woman is

06:53:00.780 all right well you consider personating a woman if you don't have a woman can't give birth

06:53:05.340 if you say you're a woman but you can't give birth and then lots of women can't give birth

06:53:09.500 so it doesn't make them a woman even if a woman is for genetic reasons or whatever incapable of

06:53:14.380 giving birth or she's still too young or too old right you're still a woman women i mean i'm talking

06:53:21.020 about a man a man transitioning to a woman he can't have oh yeah they could he can't yes correct

06:53:26.220 does that actually make him into the mic or her does actually make him into her a woman because now

06:53:33.580 they can't do what we do until it's like an actual technology can invent that for them

06:53:39.580 like what would you say to biologically they can't so but what would you say to a woman that feels kind

06:53:44.380 of impersonated at the fact that someone's trying to copy the fact that they get birth

06:53:48.300 and they're talking about that i mean like it's hard for a woman to reckon with a man wanting to

06:53:56.460 be like them and copying them when like we we go through what we go through as a woman already

06:54:03.580 then someone wants to be like us but doesn't go through the pain here let me do this by the way

06:54:07.900 andrew is coming back his internet just crashed i just got a text from him he'll be back

06:54:11.820 um is sex and gender the same thing no may i get my energy drink because genuinely i'm very tired

06:54:20.940 is it okay if i bring it to the table okay sure i didn't know if it has to be no you can that's fine

06:54:30.220 um so okay uh the answer to the question

06:54:34.860 can you ask me the question again yeah is sex and gender the same thing no no okay so when i

06:54:44.620 ask you the question uh is a transgender woman male and you say it's a woman i'm not asking you

06:54:53.980 what the gender is i'm asking you what the sex is yeah i understand what you're saying that's

06:54:59.180 male signed male at birth you know that's yeah they were assigned male at birth but are you willing

06:55:07.100 to state that in the in this now in the moment now they are male i wouldn't say male i would say amab

06:55:19.660 it just it just it just is less derogatory how okay so explain to me how it's derogatory

06:55:27.020 i think you know you're reducing someone to you know their previous how they were born but that's

06:55:37.100 not who they identify as that's not who they are but you do you can you change your sex

06:55:45.500 no but you can change your gender so yeah i've already granted to you that they

06:55:51.900 that in well at least i'm not actually granting but for the sake of the conversation

06:55:56.380 i'm granting to you that the gender has changed the gender has went from man to woman

06:56:02.220 okay but you've already you've just said that you can't change your sex right yes okay if you so this

06:56:09.420 is the entailment of your own position now that you've just said that you cannot change your sex

06:56:14.460 so if you were born male and you are male right

06:56:23.180 you're not a female if you're a transgender woman correct correct so you're still what

06:56:33.420 male i guess so a transgender woman is

06:56:37.820 do you agree with the following statement a transgender woman is male

06:56:48.540 transgender woman is a woman are you just biologically yes i'm using your own it's trans

06:56:55.980 transitioning gender but what sex are they no no hold on okay cool transgender woman is a woman what sex are

06:57:03.100 they

06:57:10.540 i'm just i'm really done with this conversation

06:57:14.380 but are you gonna offend somebody i don't understand like it occurs to me like you know

06:57:19.660 the answer to this why but why won't you say it like it's not i don't think this is offensive

06:57:25.260 or derogatory despite your claims that it is

06:57:27.500 again we can disagree on the matter no i can't i literally can't disagree that's hey that's your

06:57:37.980 stance this is my stance but i know even ends of the table but but i'm i'm just i've walked you

06:57:44.700 through it so you said you can't change your sex right so you've you've already conceded there

06:57:49.900 you can't change your sex okay if you can't change your sex if you're a male and you cannot become a

06:57:56.140 female if you were a male change you're changing your gender identity does not change that you're a

06:58:03.980 male you have to using your own concessions already you'd have to agree with to this i understand what

06:58:10.380 you're saying

06:58:14.540 do you what am i tell me what i'm saying steel man my position

06:58:22.620 like i said i'm done with this conversation i mean we just keep circling and like we're good you know

06:58:31.340 um you want to talk about anything else or do you want to just stare at each other for another hour

06:58:35.900 i'm willing to move on but i just it on this condition define a woman for me and we'll move on

06:58:44.700 i don't i don't know how to i don't know if i can give a definition of what a woman is this

06:58:51.020 it's really like never thought about it

06:58:56.140 i think a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman regardless of what sex you were given at birth

06:59:05.340 my security guard back there desmond um could he

06:59:12.380 can he like right now if he identifies as a woman is he a woman

06:59:17.820 but you're saying he so then it would be she her so if desmond she her she she desmond

06:59:25.740 hey desmond do me a favor um desmond can you just say i identify as a woman my pronouns are she her

06:59:31.820 her is he a woman

06:59:39.180 desmond is this true

06:59:42.780 it is true desmond is this true are you willing to say this on camera desmond

06:59:47.740 then desmond's a woman

06:59:57.260 i stand on that oh boy okay all right

07:00:03.660 um love you baby girl can i get a definition though and then i'll move along i i can't give

07:00:08.620 you a definition

07:00:11.820 um okay all right well

07:00:18.140 uh moving on yeah i guess i'm moving on all right final things here then we're going to do

07:00:21.980 rest session then we're going to wrap up the show

07:00:23.420 uh what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband

07:00:31.020 uh actually i should this is going to be out of order because people moved around emily dang

07:00:35.420 uh you said six figures plus that's understandable okay uh and then

07:00:42.860 cali minimum income um it doesn't matter to me gina

07:00:54.460 wow you're not even talking in the microphone why don't you put the microphone back where it was so

07:00:58.780 you can it was right here just turn it move it move it that way and just scoot it scoot it scoot it

07:01:08.620 yep okay does it matter no as long as you can provide for me so it does matter i mean it doesn't

07:01:15.340 matter exactly how much he makes

07:01:20.300 what does providing for you look like

07:01:24.300 so if you exactly what it sounds like it doesn't matter exactly like i don't know like california

07:01:29.900 yes you want to stay in california probably i'm not sure okay um do you want to get married yes you

07:01:36.620 want to have kids yes how many kids um i don't know yeah honest maybe like two three three maybe

07:01:44.220 okay and then uh while you're pregnant do you want to be working not while pregnant and then after

07:01:51.740 they're born do you want to be working or do you want to stay at home i mean it depends like

07:01:57.660 what type of job i'm doing like if it's like a simple or something it's something that i'm passionate

07:02:02.060 about i don't mind damien can you open the um but so do you want to stay at home

07:02:13.420 at all when the kids are young and not work

07:02:19.500 i mean how about until the youngest is into kindergarten

07:02:22.860 i don't know so this could be like seven years maybe like i said like if i'm passionate about

07:02:30.700 something i don't mind working it doesn't like really matter about like but okay but if you have

07:02:35.500 kids like do you want to not work if i have kids i would know i mean i kind of just answer that

07:02:44.780 while they're young probably not when they get older yeah yeah like well i'm pregnant is different

07:02:49.100 but if i have kids in your household once you have kids and you're married uh do you want one

07:02:53.580 or two cars one or two cars yeah well my car and my man's car so two okay how big of a house would

07:03:01.180 you like to live in with your two kids master and then a bedroom for each kid yeah like a house how many

07:03:09.500 bedrooms that's kind of well it depends how many kids i have i can't just say like oh i want this

07:03:17.580 okay well okay two rooms plus mine so three three rooms how many bathrooms two two okay you want a

07:03:26.140 big backyard yes okay uh would you like kind of more luxury appliances and you know would you want

07:03:34.620 the uh what's the term uh what part of town would you like to live in i'm not sure where do you

07:03:45.900 currently live in like la area okay uh do you want to what kind of lifestyle would you like would you

07:03:53.020 like to go on a couple vacations a year yes okay uh and are you going to be uh do you want a 50 50

07:04:02.780 relationship or do you want your man to be the breadwinner well i'm always going to be a breadwinner so

07:04:09.820 i don't ever mind putting money on the table however you said you disagreed in your notes you

07:04:14.780 said disagree to women should go 50 50 on the first date and women should go 50 50 the entire

07:04:21.180 relationship no so you okay i didn't mean to put that i was kind of like in a rush because you did

07:04:26.220 say you want a provider so this seems to me this would indicate that you want somebody makes more i

07:04:29.900 feel like every woman wants a provider though so it's kind of like okay that's so you want two kids

07:04:35.820 you want a three-bedroom house you want to stay in southern california two two bathrooms uh you

07:04:41.500 want two cars you want to go on vacation a couple times a year you sure it doesn't matter how much

07:04:46.780 your man makes like i said i don't care about the amount as long as he can provide for me so if he's

07:04:52.460 making well enough so he works at mcdonald's you want to have that lifestyle okay well like i said

07:04:59.500 the amount doesn't matter as long as he can provide for me so i don't have like an

07:05:02.940 oh he has to be a billionaire you know how much would he have how much would he have to make to

07:05:07.020 be able to have all that like 100k a year six figures yeah yeah 200k like yeah like i don't

07:05:13.180 even know how much you would have to make like yeah that's why i didn't even really answer it because

07:05:16.620 it's like i don't know how much exactly amelia you say you uh 100k 100k six figures okay it doesn't

07:05:25.020 really matter emily you also want a six-figure earner and then catalina you don't care i'm also

07:05:31.660 bringing money too so and then tanya you say 80k question mark i was being realistic you know

07:05:38.460 okay yeah i was trying to be realistic too i got 100k still a little bit lower for all that that i

07:05:43.740 want but you know it works you can make it work baby and then emily uh uh your 5'5 and the minimum

07:05:52.620 height you need to for guys 5'9 maybe 10 i put 5'9 and a half yeah you like them tall

07:05:59.740 okay all right uh cali 5'4 you don't care gina 5'4 and six feet no i'm 5'4 yeah but six six foot is

07:06:09.980 the minimum for you to date yes you're like i'm tall too uh well actually i don't really care about

07:06:15.820 height i'm kind of a little like i'm only saying six foot because my my man is six six one so i'm

07:06:20.780 saying that's like the minimum amelia you're five eight uh the man has to be taller than you so like

07:06:26.220 five ten five nine five ten a little bit it's a little inch taller i mean there's not to be a

07:06:29.740 giant i don't want a giant catalina doesn't care tanya you're five foot you can't be shorter than

07:06:34.380 me i cannot do a short game even though i love you guys personality okay all right um

07:06:39.420 um i would like to do the delusion calculator for emily delusion calculator for what's that

07:06:47.580 oh wow gina and for emilia oh oh okay let's get the delusion calculator going and then we're

07:06:53.340 going to do the rest guys i'm going to tts tts uh guys tts is 20 but i'll come as well

07:06:59.420 you got it to be fair i was rushed all right uh let's uh we're gonna go emily first go ahead

07:07:10.300 how do you do this female delusion all right so tell them the give them your answers for these

07:07:16.380 oh um up to

07:07:19.660 the age of who are married so you'll date a 20 year old exclude married oh for the minimum 22. okay

07:07:37.660 race

07:07:41.340 you can only choose one you can't like select multiple races it's any or one like any color what would you

07:07:49.340 not date white people um why won't you date white people it's not my preference oh and you won't

07:07:58.540 date black no black is what i would choose like if i had to pick out of those four black so black okay

07:08:07.900 why won't you pick why won't you date white people just curious um like my my mom grew up or she dated

07:08:14.300 white guys and asian guys and i was just into like hispanics and black guys it's just my

07:08:18.620 people just don't find white guys attractive no sure it's my dog okay i don't mean my white boys

07:08:23.260 like a little cold next um uh five ten

07:08:29.100 mm-hmm um minimum income oh uh do we scroll back up exclude obese yeah let's check that one

07:08:37.660 yeah okay exclude obese okay yeah i like this um minimum income

07:08:44.940 ideally i said six figures but realistically i'll say 60 60k because i can make my own money too you

07:08:57.340 know i'm aspiring to get my masters so i won't need to depend on him too much you said six figures

07:09:03.900 though so make it 100k i would prefer for my band to make more money so you better match me baby

07:09:12.060 okay uh find out all right probability that's 0.15 percent

07:09:20.140 uh that's tough that's why i'm single yep now my turn i'm curious about this all right let's do amelia now

07:09:34.540 see how deludeo i am they couldn't even give me a full percent guys tts is 20. we'll get them going in a

07:09:40.220 sec tts what's that again questions next to speech oh so for age gap the youngest would be 22 i'll do a year

07:09:49.980 younger than me and oldest like 35

07:09:54.700 and exclude no i'll get married so leave that um why i like my white boys i'm trying to take back my land

07:10:02.300 so i'll do that and minimum height 5 10 the tallest i would do probably scluto bees i cannot um minimum

07:10:14.940 income 100k because i'm gonna be a travel nurse so i'm about to make that much too so he better match

07:10:19.340 me or make more one of the two and yeah find out okay so more probability right 1.5

07:10:28.780 oh you got a full percent is that good right all right okay and then let's do it for uh gina

07:10:35.340 why me what the heck possibility i'm in a relationship so i don't really need to do this

07:10:42.380 to be fair okay you just list your man yeah yeah which is i'm literally gonna put everything that

07:10:48.460 that my man like but uh do you guys want to like maybe no i don't think she's not gonna do it um

07:10:54.940 um you guys want to change your uh

07:11:02.860 standards a little bit you know no really good question they need to change their incomes to

07:11:08.540 meet my standards i actually have a really good question on this hold on oh shit i just click on

07:11:14.060 dang it uh one sec guys sorry i accidentally closed my notes closed out my notes the question is

07:11:21.260 is if you got this is for the whole panel starting with you if you got 80 of everything you want in

07:11:28.060 your ideal partner would you be happy with that yes yeah yes yes 80 is it yeah 80 like i already had

07:11:39.260 that or is it settling yeah i don't so baby yeah that's a good person so then mike would be helpful

07:11:46.860 yeah i don't care okay cool uh all right um cool uh guys tts is 20 tts is 20 we're going to do the

07:11:57.660 rough session brief rest session and then we're going to wrap up my eye is killing me i'm gonna go

07:12:03.820 blind me too vector donated twenty dollars chair one thanks for showing your woke fangs are you guilty of

07:12:13.260 misgendering someone who identifies as gender fluid you have to keep up even if they change gender

07:12:19.900 30 times a minute thank you man vector donated twenty dollars andrew let's not stigmatize a digital

07:12:29.180 format pdf files are an ubiquitous technology far be it from the digital gods to rename them the cleveland

07:12:37.580 guardians had it rough hashtag bring back cleveland indians thank you vector vector donated twenty

07:12:46.060 women want equality i'm pretty sure you would not want to operate off of man's definition of essay

07:12:52.300 how about the reverse casually touch a man risk getting sued it's going to be really bugged boys

07:12:59.900 really bugged boys uh oh really quick let's do twitch before we get into the next roast guys twenty

07:13:04.940 dollar twenty dollar roast this this panel needs a roast boys get your roast up also guys go to

07:13:10.940 twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow in a prime sub it's been 30 minutes since we had a prime

07:13:16.060 uh i think it's bugged twitch is definitely bugged boys if you guys can drop us a prime sub also can you

07:13:21.020 guys get us to uh a million followers before the end of the stream thank you guys appreciate it all right

07:13:27.580 oh a million devon jackson donated twenty dollars the poly single mom really refused to use mail as

07:13:36.380 its derogatory but then used baby girl in a derogatory manner toward brian and desmond yeah you're not

07:13:42.620 woke you're a hypocrite yeah you i i don't go by baby girl my pronouns what about baby boy yeah that's

07:13:52.460 really insensitive and derogatory to i am he him okay baby boy so baby boys also identifies an adult

07:14:00.460 male so please don't use baby either oh okay i'm very offended and the baby community is also very

07:14:07.020 offensive you there donated twenty dollars why is brian obsessed with trying to put down trans people dot

07:14:15.580 only immature bigots and closeted people don't respect someone's journey dot also fantasizing about other

07:14:21.820 oct entering a hole and worrying bc is sus wait what um

07:14:32.940 what's oct entering

07:14:36.700 they said something about entering holes so maybe i have no idea i got no idea um that's something i

07:14:43.260 would never do boys get your 20 get your tts in get your roasts in we're about to wrap the show any

07:14:48.060 final thoughts from many of the panelists before we wrap would any girls here ever peg a man or no

07:14:54.620 we always i would not have i would not i would never has anybody here done it my

07:14:59.180 my best friend did actually to her boyfriend yikes yeah candace close name sorry oh oh boy

07:15:06.140 um and he liked it i heard that is terrible that is wow you oh you did it i did try you

07:15:13.340 was a guy the it was a guy yeah took his manly hood straight from him no he was already gay

07:15:19.100 the pet dude was it the pet dude or no oh no no no no he he's not gay but it was a it was the guy

07:15:25.180 from russia chad donated twenty dollars latino and asian women having height preferences is hilarious

07:15:31.820 chill bae your dad is five apostrophe six oh man my dad's actually five ten my dad's six feet and i'm

07:15:39.260 five eight i'm latina born in mexico so that statement does not work for me

07:15:48.220 wrongful rage donated twenty dollars well just as andrew got his popcorn his internet burnt him

07:15:55.260 everyone into the crystals thank you rage appreciate it man

07:16:03.260 ogle donated twenty dollars chair one is the kind of person who won't admit when they're so very

07:16:08.860 clearly wrong it doesn't get less attractive than that hope she thinks on this who are they talking

07:16:16.380 about chair one can i ask you one question oh god actually it whatever room 667 donated 20

07:16:30.780 according to google the average income in america is less than 38 000 so good luck on finding your prince

07:16:37.740 charming oh he's out there i know that oh he's out there i know that so yeah jack underscore m donated

07:16:43.340 twenty dollars chair number one absolutely gross and detestable prime example of the social

07:16:50.140 illness in america you are the problem peen equals male the equals female fake meat does not count

07:17:00.540 thank you uh jack appreciate it average man donated twenty dollars chair five if men have to change

07:17:12.700 a lifestyle please inform the average man on how we can out of nowhere make six figures and somehow grow

07:17:18.780 taller and fit your minimum standards i just said fix your income not your height but there's surgeries for

07:17:25.980 that if you made enough from your income you would know that don't guys don't do that surgery even

07:17:32.140 even for sure don't it's bad cajun tater donated twenty dollars i identify as your king with no

07:17:39.980 equals and only one superior jesus the king of kings to affirm my identity you pay minimum 15 of your income

07:17:47.900 as taxes a firm or you're literally committing a hate crime

07:17:54.620 the baby community donated twenty dollars rules for she not for we we feel sad and while we cannot

07:18:02.220 climb back into the comfort of our pregnant persons excuse us woman's womb maybe we can fight

07:18:08.460 for peace when we identify as adults the baby community thank you so much for the tts appreciate

07:18:16.940 it we have uh i was not reading it oh uh brian ryan yeah that guy talked mad shit about you on bradley

07:18:26.060 martin's podcast now we own the fuck out of you uh i mean me and andrew did the 2v2 debate um

07:18:32.620 i'm pretty sure he's he's got that reversed i didn't see the clip with bradley martin

07:18:38.860 uh i think bradley martin is kind of a secret hater of the podcast um

07:18:43.980 um that's my impression of of bradley i don't really know what his deal is i get the impression

07:18:49.820 he's kind of uh massive hater so i'll have somebody send me the clip and i'll take a look

07:18:55.100 uh all right guys last call guys last call on the tts final thoughts from anybody else before we wrap up

07:19:03.580 final call all right guys one set guys we're gonna do a raid over there on twitch

07:19:09.340 final call guys final call final call if you want to get a tts in guys i don't know if i can play

07:19:15.100 world of warcraft i don't know man i don't know if i can do it on thursday i got so much going on

07:19:20.620 i'm already dead tired this week we'll see um jack underscore m donated twenty dollars

07:19:28.060 care number one going to turn your nose up at me at least have the confidence to look at the camera

07:19:34.300 you averting your gaze just makes you look more wrong

07:19:42.860 any dicks for me no yeah dig her devon jackson donated twenty dollars we aren't roasting the

07:19:49.820 dog walker enough you're gross and no one believed your crocodile tears chair four redhead latina your

07:19:56.940 barrel does not match your thighs chair one i hope you reflect on a world view period

07:20:05.580 okay yo davon good to see you in the chat man appreciate it all right who are we gonna rate

07:20:09.500 on twitch let's see here follow we are going to

07:20:14.940 uh we're gonna do aladar okay

07:20:35.660 uh whack podcast thank you man appreciate it um fake news though so thank you discuss the clip where

07:20:42.060 you reveal you can't it got muted so uh because you said you used that word um discuss the clip

07:20:48.300 where you reveal you can't find a girl's clit total fake news

07:20:56.780 total fake news fake news um yeah um and then

07:21:04.220 yeah also what was homophobic that was said on tonight's show that's i he said it was homophobic

07:21:10.780 right-wing moral hypocrisy what was i don't know what was homophobic

07:21:17.900 what was um okay cool thank you bro brandon 53323 donated 20 dollars in the bathroom on my phone

07:21:29.820 avoiding work never have i felt more like a woman this is uh yeah you gotta just uh

07:21:36.940 uh you also gotta walk to a far away bathroom that's the other trick

07:21:42.540 trying to burn some time uh all right let's see here um

07:21:46.780 um all right cool uh let's see where oh there's some more coming in

07:21:53.100 like chair seven donated twenty dollars a girl in chair seven is the prettiest in the room

07:22:00.940 it's for you uh opposite of a roast sucks cut it out thank you but i disagree i think everyone's

07:22:09.580 beautiful you're so sweet oh yeah ogle donated twenty dollars chair three are you wearing any of your

07:22:18.220 own jewelry what no i am not actually because i don't wear my fancy jewelry out especially on the

07:22:23.660 podcast so

07:22:30.220 dacre davis donated twenty dollars number six is a snow white queen grim will do in the face wicked

07:22:36.540 witch of the east west and the south dog walking flat back rat face nasty ashy hawks

07:22:43.740 catch us outside gina we got you baby girl oh shit um wait so okay before i let you i don't even

07:22:51.820 understand what he said um really quick i know we we didn't get into this but so when it comes to

07:22:56.700 body count right allow you guys said body count shouldn't matter doesn't matter um i think you were

07:23:01.660 kind of like the biggest proponent of this uh if body count shouldn't matter doesn't matter it's in

07:23:05.660 your past what's your body count um 13 no no it's 11 it's 11. you were you counting like

07:23:16.220 no because i just updated it recently in my notes i remember it's 11.

07:23:20.940 do you keep a separate count for other acts body count matters to me i'll say i'm insecure i'd like

07:23:26.220 to know my man's body count wait oh my are you serious you literally argued about that for like

07:23:31.500 i didn't say i am not insecure or i do not care about body count me okay you're just saying it's

07:23:36.300 sincere you were arguing that it is insecure yeah okay all right um

07:23:43.020 body count 11. really yeah okay me and the porn relationships in a couple of points

07:23:49.500 range how about a range under five okay body count one body count five cap body count i've already said it

07:23:59.580 it one right oh two okay i have no idea i thought you okay range i'm a virgin actually clearly yeah

07:24:15.580 range i don't know i've never i've never thought about it think about it i'll get i'm gonna let

07:24:21.900 three chats come through and we'll come right you can think about it just do the you know not the

07:24:26.140 shots will you get me another energy drink if i think about it vector donated 20 i'll do you one better

07:24:32.620 i hope chair one doesn't become anorexic it would be offensive to not label her fat

07:24:39.100 wait what what does that even mean here i'll give you a two dollar bill if you reveal

07:24:44.300 the true body count i have no idea i'm not i'm not joking how about is it more than 50 no

07:24:50.220 more than a hundred no more than a thousand no more than 20. she already said no to 50. i know the math

07:25:01.820 isn't nothing more than more than 20. i don't think so

07:25:07.820 okay

07:25:15.980 uh-oh chair one is a

07:25:21.820 doesn't know how definitions work can't define woman with the word woman chair four fine as

07:25:26.060 trying to link she's got boyfriend daddy whoa what the

07:25:28.940 fuck bro oh my god i did not mean to say that fuck you dude oh my gosh rude

07:25:37.580 do you want to link with that guy she's loyal to her oh wait wait i don't know i was good i

07:25:42.060 wasn't even thinking i'm sorry it just said chair fine fine as

07:25:46.060 fuck trying to link me yeah that's you you deserve better

07:25:52.300 she loyal sorry sorry tiberius donated twenty dollars chair six i hope your dog runs away

07:26:02.300 nice thanks

07:26:09.740 thor donated twenty dollars what happened to chair two from earlier btw brain

07:26:15.660 loves fat fucking burritos in his mouth and comes out his fat dump truck

07:26:20.220 hit the gym buddy i got this way you're right bro thank you man thank you jack underscore m donated

07:26:26.460 twenty dollars chair number one i'm going to keep calling you out you think that not talking will

07:26:32.940 make this go away but no i have my resources to keep this up brian you should have booted her

07:26:39.820 matthew donated twenty dollars all you women say you want a man with 100k how would y'all feel

07:26:48.300 with men in military that has all the benefits to give you like housing and college tuition

07:26:53.580 question mark by the way thor uh chair two she is like a rage quit or something i don't

07:27:02.380 that was your friend right she left because i think she got triggered over something i don't know

07:27:07.660 yeah uh all right michigan christian donated twenty dollars enjoyed the accountability men want

07:27:16.140 modest and attractive women not old liberal 304 degenerates another panel full of women i would

07:27:23.500 never date w andrew for exposing yet another for conservative uh would you guys date a military

07:27:31.500 guy going back to matthews no i would not show of hands show of hands would you be gone all the

07:27:36.940 time and i wouldn't like that you could close the door uh i don't miss them too much i just stay

07:27:41.740 in bed and watch that and then they're kind of squares too so bender the offender donated twenty

07:27:47.180 brian when you brought the red-haired latina back on did she come from the back alley

07:27:53.580 that's horrible i think they're talking about i don't even have red hair but okay um all right

07:28:01.100 guys we're gonna wrap up the show here uh if you want you can get your final one in oh wait hold on

07:28:07.980 gambit 90 donated twenty dollars weak panel the last panel was great why was there no roast

07:28:15.180 session on that one wanted to call the blonde delulu should have kicked out the latino vibes ruined

07:28:21.340 since the cat fight well i mean like the last show was just my bondolulu no i mean our cat fight

07:28:27.980 helped raise there wasn't real i mean we we did like 69 but it was like already so late it was like

07:28:33.500 two three a.m or some shit it was a 10 hour stream so i was like we just didn't have time to do a row

07:28:38.780 session ogle donated twenty dollars can each panel guest answer which of the other panelists there is the

07:28:45.900 most annoying to them go ahead

07:28:54.780 i don't think anybody cares who's the most annoying

07:29:00.700 you're all sweet people

07:29:01.660 and by the way i'm glad you did it sorry man they don't want oh now you want to be

07:29:06.620 oh apologize he should apologize

07:29:09.980 donated twenty dollars chair number one i'm still hee ee air ee ee ee ee ee also brian can i get the

07:29:17.980 story on your guts trophy ask last show but someone spilled water and it got usurped wait the water got

07:29:25.180 usurped no one spilled water are you tripping why are you so obsessed with me wait what happened

07:29:30.860 about the water uh the guts i just i was a show i watched when i was young so kind of like nostalgia

07:29:38.140 concern it put employee donated twenty dollars chair six i hope you are a responsible dog owner

07:29:44.540 and got them chipped and neutered up to date with shots and express his glands every bath you also need

07:29:51.340 to send them off to dog obedience school wow by the way uh gambit i do uh i do appreciate you

07:30:00.540 continuing the uh wait is it gambit who's the one were we talking about jaz m or someone oh who paid

07:30:06.940 like 60 bucks already i don't know is it 20 bucks talking about the dog okay i don't own a dog you guys

07:30:15.420 are the most popular ones i was totally making that shit up um do you guys want to make amends or

07:30:22.460 do you guys want to talk more shit no we're good we're good she started it what the hell yeah she did

07:30:27.580 fucking start it right she fucking did start to you like that are you gonna let wait are you gonna let

07:30:33.980 her talk to you like that are you gonna let her talk she she body shamed you bro look oh my god

07:30:39.820 you're a fitness girl bro you're such an instigator brian you're right right you're a fitness girl

07:30:45.100 you don't let her talk to you like that she body shamed you bro that's offensive she called me

07:30:49.660 go ahead i'll be back in a minute well to be fair you insulted me first so what am i gonna do just

07:30:56.300 sit there and be quiet of course not you know but we squash the beef now and they're gonna apologize

07:31:00.540 right well i was called a black fat ugly all this damn girl i wasn't even saying anything but i wasn't

07:31:07.900 saying anything to you so i'm like why are you gonna like but i didn't want you to leave you look

07:31:11.980 healthy to me beautiful i don't think there's anything wrong with you but i didn't want you to

07:31:15.820 keep arguing and i didn't want you to leave i wanted you to stay so it got you to stay did it

07:31:20.300 no let's apologize you didn't leave of course not i didn't apologize but i wasn't speaking to you

07:31:27.820 move on i know but you just kind of just like jumped in for no reason but i mean whatever let's

07:31:32.460 apologize i don't hold grudges luckily but you're lucky this wasn't outside of the podcast

07:31:37.340 because baby i promise you i know i'm not about that can i put my instagram about emilia david

07:31:43.020 can we make amends if you apologize first three s's underscore follow me fine only because i'm a

07:31:49.420 woman of god woman of god so where i put my instagram handle oh yeah follow me guys on gina prada

07:31:59.340 okay now my turn follow me emilia david three s's underscore at the end is that a thing if i hit by a

07:32:05.180 woman i kind of look a little masculine on my side i don't know you look a little mask not gonna

07:32:10.300 lie it's just the hair it's just the hair put up it goes down why don't you put the hair down i own

07:32:16.620 shit it's all good game but how do kids we know i have a vagina so it's all good so we know you're a

07:32:24.300 woman yeah i'm just a tomboy it's all good it's okay to be a little play sports sound good it's all

07:32:31.660 right in the hood and you guys honestly i think someone in the chat gave me a bbl allegation and

07:32:36.620 that has been my goal so thank you very much you know what i mean that's such a we love the bbl

07:32:40.860 allegations okay no i don't but we actually take it as a compliment stop so if you're in la and you need

07:32:46.460 a trainer hit my line gina prada a lot of girls wish they look like you have boobs and butt so if

07:32:51.420 you want thank you to look like you have a bbl and you don't if you want bbl allegations hit me up

07:32:56.700 body countants don't say can't disclose i will first off i ain't disclosing that for a 20 dollar

07:33:04.940 subject uh second i'll do it for a bitcoin send me a bitcoin i will disclose my body count live on

07:33:11.740 camera i will do it for a bitcoin how much is a bitcoin it's about uh i don't know exactly it's

07:33:18.620 like 70 000. it's like 80 80 90 000 right now i need to figure out who has bitcoins now bitcoin

07:33:25.340 right now 93 excuse me oh it went up to 93 93 000. that's a million i was like whoa you should have

07:33:33.340 invested but you fucked up i did fuck up you fucked i fucked up yeah damn i didn't invest in bitcoin let's

07:33:40.060 go doge guys buy doge um can i still invest into bitcoin vector donated 20

07:33:48.460 chair four can you stop being an emotional state machine that is always stuck on sassy

07:33:54.060 oh wait no no that's not right i withdraw my question a sassy state machine is a sassy state machine

07:34:02.620 word wait what brandon 53323 donated 20 dollars somebody hit somebody i need more behind the scenes

07:34:14.140 content on the discord he's telling you guys you should no should what no we're good

07:34:22.780 i love how she's like no no we're good she don't want this we're good over here yeah all right she

07:34:29.020 don't want this note that's too much drama yeah let's fight catfinding with verbals have you ever

07:34:34.460 been in a fight with a woman oh i gave it to a woman i did i got two black guys hope you're watching

07:34:39.980 me baby oh have you ever killed somebody no that goes against god and alive to hear i i knocked them out

07:34:47.740 with my nobody's worth not me to going to heaven for so yeah i would never do that hit to the back

07:34:51.820 of the head it only takes one hit sometimes ogle donated twenty dollars i was gonna send btc or

07:34:58.540 another crypto before but couldn't find the address to do so fyi ogle send me a dm i mean i can uh

07:35:05.420 fix that i'll uh i'll see my addy right now i'll send you the address yeah but uh if anybody wants to

07:35:12.620 ever send like crypto or anything i can send you addresses if you'd rather donate that way

07:35:17.260 unfortunately it's not like linked up to stream lab so but if you guys want to contribute and be

07:35:23.660 patrons of the show via crypto we can accept crypto all patronage is uh welcome and very much

07:35:30.940 appreciated because if it wasn't for uh wasn't for you guys wasn't for the uh the viewers the we

07:35:38.620 wouldn't be able to do the show because we don't we're fan funded essentially so uh how many of

07:35:43.580 yours by the way i just want to say something i know this isn't something that came up on this show

07:35:47.980 uh there's been a recently like i got criticism from this was like two three shows ago this girl

07:35:54.780 who's sitting here she's like oh you wouldn't do this shit for free it's like you gotta understand

07:35:59.500 right is my expenses to run this is is a lot yeah and my time i work 70 70 80 hours a week running the

07:36:10.540 show there's that and it's not free to run this like i'm not some streamer who's like playing a video

07:36:17.980 game in my bedroom like this is a studio really involved production it's a business yeah it's really

07:36:25.740 involved like i could see how like somebody who's just playing video games on their computer in their

07:36:30.780 bedroom you know how oh you could do it for free for fun but it's like something like this

07:36:39.340 i'll say this i'm i looked at it and my total expenses i'm pretty sure for my total expenses for

07:36:47.180 this year were 300 000 so far so far 300 000 so far right there yeah so this is expensive it's not

07:36:58.780 free you know so yeah i can't i wouldn't do it for free because then i'd be losing 300 000 a year

07:37:05.100 trying to do it so damn please send you oh by the way brian i've never fought a girl i was just oh okay

07:37:10.540 so all right um let's see here so the minimum oh my gosh i'm making donated 20 dollars chair one

07:37:19.500 looks like the wish.com version of katy perry i was thinking you look like that's hilarious oh wait

07:37:25.340 katy perry that's a compliment all the time yeah i didn't even see i know i see a little bit just a

07:37:31.020 little bit hey she's pretty she's beautiful better than other things you've been saying anyways um

07:37:35.900 okay so let us see how let's do the twitch raid okay uh let me do the outro then we'll raid alidar

07:37:46.460 let's see all right uh gg well played to the panel hold on i fucked it up well played wait gg well

07:37:55.420 tired to the panel last call hit the like button please on your way out thank you for tuning in

07:37:59.900 tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that thank you to

07:38:03.580 everyone who so generously super chats donates and supports the show we will be live again sun

07:38:11.180 today tuesday yeah we'll be live again sunday at 5 p.m pacific any girls who want to be on the

07:38:15.660 show dm out whatever on instagram if you can make it to santa barbara let me see if there's any others

07:38:19.900 that came through doesn't look like it uh let's see thank you guys for watching on twitch thank you to

07:38:26.780 the panel appreciate it you guys were um it was kind of a mid panel no offense um anyway so i'm

07:38:34.380 gonna raid alidar uh no i'm kidding you guys were fantastic you're amazing like always all right

07:38:43.180 uh okay we're gonna raid alidar on twitch he's playing i don't know he's playing world of warcraft

07:38:48.140 so we're gonna raid him uh tell him to go i don't know if he's playing tell him that he has to guys guys

07:38:52.780 guys okay those of you watching on twitch tell him he needs to kill this shitty gnome mage he needs to

07:39:00.460 tell him he needs to he needs to sack what level what level does it say what level he's got like four

07:39:07.980 spells oh he's level seven he can suicide it's uh it's a network combo okay i didn't say that my bad

07:39:12.860 but then in order to tell him tell him he needs to uh kill his own character i think this is hardcore

07:39:20.460 no no is it hardcore i don't know i'm is he playing hardcore i only know how to play moral

07:39:25.580 combat and i'm really good at it wait hold on i'm gonna send a message is this hardcore if it is it

07:39:32.300 doesn't matter answer that shit alidar some people some people won't want to go toren just to be able

07:39:38.620 to do that answer that shit whatever this is this this is not hard oh my god okay tell him he still has to

07:39:44.780 kill his character are you playing with the only fangs group whatever all right we're gonna send we're

07:39:49.580 sending the raid to him your name uh only fangs you should definitely be in there only fangs only

07:39:56.220 fangs okay all right uh we're gonna send the raid while you're doing the whatever podcast tell him

07:40:03.020 guys when you go over there tell him he needs to kill his character okay he needs to kill his character

07:40:06.860 to a uh boar he needs to kill his character to the boar okay sending raid now thank you guys for

07:40:12.140 watching on twitch or maybe whatever could have like his own hardcore raiding team and get these uh

07:40:20.860 some of these uh you know incredibly nice young ladies that he has on his podcast uh

07:40:28.540 oh well hey thanks who's oh my god holy lord

07:40:34.540 holy lord dude thank you

07:40:41.180 that's why is that why you're asking if this is hardcore or not

07:40:44.700 my lord thank you very much welcome everyone from the whatever podcast

07:40:49.500 you're here for the norm known death i do not die dude i do not die

07:40:53.340 i am invincible is this what you do in your free time for those right from the podcast if you played

07:41:00.220 world of warcraft how about this how about we get some of these nice fine young ladies that whatever

07:41:06.860 always seems to have on his podcast um you know the ones that are wearing like um you know basically

07:41:14.300 just bras um and and have him do hardcore with them i mean hardcore world of warcraft

07:41:22.940 i didn't mean hardcore anything else hardcore hardcore world of warcraft um

07:41:30.060 what is this uh somebody asked do you ever watch the whatever podcast i watch it all the time yeah

07:41:34.620 unfortunately when i stream oh my god he's not gonna do it okay doing his podcast as well all right

07:41:40.620 uh okay no chats came through okay that's it oh uh okay i'll read this or anisa can you um

07:41:50.620 read this please hi brian hope you're well man watching this podcast it is more clear to me

07:41:56.620 that andrew is clearly exposing hidden feminists also are you wearing a white hoodie so you don't see the

07:42:01.580 lint yeah learn something hey you know change up you know it's never too late to change

07:42:10.620 the clothes you wear okay uh daniel stein thank you for the uh super chat appreciate it man all

07:42:14.860 right guys like the video please on your way out uh that's pretty much it oh sevens in the chat oh

07:42:21.260 sevens in the chat i hope you guys have a good night and we will see you on sunday good night guys

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