WALK OFF?! SUPER Woke Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson! She Has A Pet HUMAN?! LA GIRLS! | Dating Talk #214
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In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have our first guest on the show, Callie! She's a professional hot girl shapeshifters, a fire performer, and a mom and a personal trainer from Southern California. We talk about how she got her start in the entertainment industry, how she came to be a fire girl, and what it's like being a trans woman in the modern dating world.
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to be playing he's going to be playing a mage we're going to play horde i'm still on the fence with it
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it okay the disclaimer the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the
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whatever channel with that said without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce
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themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead hi i'm callie i'm 26 i'm a
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fire performer and i'm also a mom and a personal trainer and i'm from southern california okay
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all right what's a uh fire performer i perform with fire props for events like parties um i've done
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it for like album release parties for musicians it really just depends
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i i still feel like i don't actually know what a what a what a fire performer you know you know fire
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you know fire breathing like people who breathe fire yeah you do that right yeah i do that in different
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props there's so many so yeah like in the circus like the fight the guys in the circus who blew yeah
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that's how we met actually in the circus yeah that's how i got the human circus okay
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as opposed to the animal oh yeah they don't combine they're not combined yeah it was a joke i thought
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it was oh okay huh so and you're you also describe yourself as a professional hot girl shapeshifter
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um what what does that mean um i mean i make a living off being a fire performer um people give me
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money because i'm entertaining and they want to look at me and watch me do fire so i'm a professional
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hot girl shapeshifter what's a shapeshifter i mean i wear wigs sometimes um you know just depending on the
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vibe so i feel like you know women are shapeshifters how so like we could change our looks whenever we
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want for funsies or for funsies yeah like do you mean trans stuff or like shapeshifting i feel like
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they no i just mean like that would that would be shapeshifting that would be that's a good name
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for transgender person huh is your life yeah i prefer decepticon decepticon that's a good one
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okay all right um and then also what are your pronouns you put your pronouns in your ig so what
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are your pronouns she her what do you feel really quick uh and we'll get to the rest of the intros
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do you know aoc i don't know what that means oh uh alexandria ocasio-cortez she's a democratic
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senator she's a representative she's in the house of reps yeah you don't know i don't follow politics
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oh she well she's a democrat and she recently took her pronouns out of her twitto twitto x bio
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and they were all angry people were very upset on that side i mean i'm definitely a cis woman i'm a
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woman born a woman in a woman's body okay for the record my pronouns are we us okay what about you
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hi i'm bridget machado i'm 20 years old i'm from southern california i'm a full-time student
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and i go to coastline community college studying public health science okay going back to you
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really quick uh any schooling high school college no okay all right what about you hello my name is
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amelia davis and i'm 23 years old i consider myself an entrepreneur i'm also a model a jeweler
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and currently i'm studying to become an rn i'm a certified ma as well and yeah right now i'm just
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living in la i moved there from orange county and i'm originally from mexico what's the nature of your
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entrepreneurship um the nature is basically i do everything i come to like um owning my own
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business as a jeweler and okay and um entertainment industry as a model and yeah anything i can do
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i'll do when you when you say you're a jeweler um i am passingly familiar with the uh craft of jewelry
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making uh a friend of mine who did it for many years do you actually make jewelry or do you just sell it
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so we source natural gems and diamonds to jewelry stores that are already established so they go ahead
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and use my gemstones that are gia certified and as well as a personal jeweler if you want something
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custom like a cuban link or like a chain with um certain i guess i'm asking you personally do you
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personally like oh no my business partner my business partner is the one who makes the jewelry but i'm the
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one who is the owner of the business i see okay thank you all right and school oh yes i go to saddleback
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and i'm studying to become an rn god hopefully i can transfer uci after that you you don't have
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your bachelor's yet not yet but i will got it all right what about you hello everyone my name is
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gina prada i'm a certified personal trainer and i'm 21 all right welcome uh school any school yeah um
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i went to international sports science association and you got your bachelor's or what no i just got
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certified for training so i'm currently going to go back into school probably for nursing but i'm still
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weighing down my options because i don't really know like if i want to go into nursing so i'm still
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getting all my income from just training right now okay all right what about you my name is emily i'm 22
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years old from orange county i'm a bud tender but also a singer songwriter and i just graduated from
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long beach state with a bachelor's in psychology in psychology okay all right and what do you do you
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know what you want to do with that or yeah so i'm planning to get my master's or certifications to
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pursue psychedelic assisted psychotherapy so like uh what is it ketamine or whatever that
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psilocybin mdma yeah all the above all right and you're a singer singer songwriter yeah so i'm all
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about healing whether it's through music or like spirituality or are you a soprano medicine i am
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let's hear something hear what hang on hang on you add the words for me before you say
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and you add the word journey somewhere and whatever you say journey like healing journey
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healing journey yeah you want me to freestyle right now yeah i was expecting song requests do
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you know a song with the word journey journey yeah you sing journey you know the band journey
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don't stop believing that song right yeah that's that's the only journey i know love steve perry yeah
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i won't sing none of my music right now but if you want to check that out do you do you write any of
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your own music i write all my own music okay let's hear something okay um always acting like this the last
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time but you always change my mind just one last time go through it all again don't want this shit to
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oh hi my name is catalina i'm 28 years old i am from los angeles california currently of a month
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i own three different companies i own a event company called divergent events
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i own a photography company so i do photography and i'm a porn producer
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uh when you say divergent so you're you own an event company that's called divergent events in which way
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are your events divergent um so i like to think that my events completely different than a lot of events
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so i'm basically a third party that gets uh i would say in a venue for the girls to work with
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photographers in a safe space where they don't feel like they're taken advantage of and they can grow
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in their field of work because as being a model and actress i've definitely been taken advantage of
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and is this you primarily work with uh people in the adult industry or um not at this moment but i'm i
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have created a couple pornos like produced them like and you're in them correct no no no i'm not
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in them i hired you're a pornographer well i'm direct the films oh but you're not no you have an
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only fans correct i don't even use it i just put it up there just for the views i don't even i post
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what i have on instagram on there it's not like okay nothing really provocative but you have
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distributed nude photographs of yourself on the internet is that correct uh i guess so yeah yeah
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okay i i used to be a porn star okay oh you used to be a porn star yeah five years ago so you were
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working in the like traditional uh porn industry yeah i've been in every industry you can think of
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i'm in main films i'm in the goat milk industry nope wait i'm so confused what does that mean you said
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you said you've been in like every single industry so i don't know just entertainment industry oh
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entertainment so except for the music except for the music industry i don't have like i'm i don't
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think i have music talent going on there so just the mainstream movie so you uh when you were doing
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the adult content like five years ago or whatever what was the i guess nature of the productions you
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were in was it solo content bg content like yeah bg like pervy city naughty america like simple
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um have you like orgy stuff no nothing crazy threesomes i only did like maybe like six films
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maybe six total okay so i never really got and then i switched over into the mainstream industry
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so how many bg scenes did you do they mostly put me in like deep threading stuff like not bg blowjobs
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but that would still be bg isn't that when a guy puts his penis in a woman well boy girl bg
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oh okay yeah yeah no you're right unless it's like no i'm not i'm straight shit i'm not about that
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yeah yeah um so you did a couple bg scenes with with men yeah okay yeah all right yeah what about
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you i'm tanya i'm 38 and i'm from new york and i am a teacher esl teacher english as a second language
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all right cool um school any school bachelor's degree in business all right and then any schooling
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for you um no no i'm pretty successful without all that okay you didn't go to college at all okay no
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actually i have like a i have a couple semesters and i never really went back all right uh deborah
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what about you hi good to be back brian welcome back welcome back hey i'm deborah leah i'm from new
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york city i'm 24 years old and i have a bachelor's degree in government and politics and my full-time
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occupation is political influencing political commentary on the news all right welcome welcome
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and uh you were on one of our most viewed podcasts the gorlock episode that was like a year and a half
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ago so welcome back welcome back uh right now less surprises this time we didn't find that out yeah
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maybe three or four hours into the what happened somebody put like a i was asking that was different
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i also got zinned on this show last time i blame you why blame me wasn't it uh it was chase but you
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yelled at me for choking oh like deborah shut up why are you screaming i'm like help call the police
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yeah you uh anyways whatever uh so okay uh clear cups this time so i'm watching you clear cups no one
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around me well i didn't chase i don't know must have put his like spit out his thing and then
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you took a sip of what happened to me before and you you stole his cup no he spit it into my
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you stole his cup thinking it was you stole his cup yeah blame the woman blame the woman that's my
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a nicotine patch that people keep in their mouth and suck on like two wait was it actually a
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zin or was it like a full-blown tobacco it was a chew well you're lucky it wasn't
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chew that would be nastier i thought someone spit in my cup at first like guys there's something thick
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oh no and it was um a really traumatic experience i'm impressed i'm even back here today
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traumatic you haven't lived until you've been at a party and you've been drunk and you reached
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over and grabbed somebody's choose pick cup by action like what do you mean it's uh or a can
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for the immune system that's almost happened to me so i put like cigarette in their can and my
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coke and i like almost like drinks out of it until i i felt the butt on my lip i was like oh my god
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this is not it watch your cups everybody we need the cup protectors all right um so anyways uh
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yeah my name is andrew wilson i'm the host of the crucible it's a popular entertainment
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channel on youtube i'm a political analyst political satirist i enjoy doing conversations
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debates of all types and i'm glad to have this conversation with you girls today
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all right uh so going around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so
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are you single talking stage situationship married whatever it is if you're single how long have you
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been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead i'm in the process of
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getting divorced um that was my longest relationship five years um yeah single
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four months all right have you dated since then um i've talked to a couple people um but i mean
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nothing really profound feel like i'm more interested in getting divorced before i'm ready to go into
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another relationship was it an open marriage we were polyamorous so under that blanket
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who um who wanted the polyamorous aspect of the relationship and did it start that way
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um so i was the one that petitioned for polyamory um it didn't start that way um but
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prior to that um my previous two relationships were polyamorous relationships
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um when we got together it was shortly after i had been sexually assaulted by a man so i wasn't in
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a position to be with really more than one person um but with a lot of therapy and help um i remembered
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who i was and also i'm queer as fuck so wait queer as fuck as fuck as yeah okay what's the difference
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between queer and then queer as fuck um i would say i lean more towards being queer than
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like towards men what's the difference between polyamorous and an open relationship i mean they're
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essentially the same thing an open relationship is you know you have other romantic and sexual
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partners um polyamorous is you actually are having other relationships so it's like a defined
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relationship like boyfriend girlfriend partner um and you love them so it's more than just like
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sexual were you sleeping with were you sleeping with other men as well as women though yes yeah okay
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okay so during the course of your marriage you were sleeping with other people your part your boyfriend
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husband husband he was also sleeping with other people okay um but you asked to open it up was
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there any pushback initially or um i mean initially yes because he was asking you know kind of like
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how did this come about and you know when i explained like well this is who i was he said well i thought
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that when we got together it was just gonna be us but um ultimately like he wanted it too um and he
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wanted to experience different people so um i was all for it well if i'm just curious um so if if he
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wanted it then how come you were the one who brought it up well i mean everything is just a conversation
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right a conversation for discussion so if something's not happening and it's like well what would this be
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like or you know like i'm sure you ask your partner a million questions in a day like what do you think
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about this so yeah um also because i am queer i mean i wanted to be with women and he isn't yeah but
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you were also with other men right yes yeah so i mean that's that's usually a sticking point for men
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uh generally speaking i think on the polyamorous front i've talked to some men who if they're you
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know their girl or wife or whatever is exclusively with other women they seem to not mind that nearly as
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much as if they're with other men that seems to be the like big sticking point right
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so i don't i was i was just curious i mean i think it's fair if you're you know in an open
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relationship or polyamorous if you should be allowed to pursue a hundred percent of people that
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you find attractive you know and then obviously if someone agrees you know to parameters and boundaries
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and that that's fine as long as it's ethical um we just agreed that it was fine so i just have one
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more brief question i'll turn it back over to brian um just wondering your take okay what is the purpose
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of getting married if you want to be in a polyamorous relationship
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um i mean we had a daughter we have a daughter um you know i wanted a family but um i also wanted to
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continue to be with women and um i have a lot of love to give well wait wait and men right i don't
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know like it it seems like there's such a pivot here it's just like i just want to be with other
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women it's like but no no well i should say men right yeah i guess i should say other people yeah
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other people okay that makes more sense so um so yeah i'm not like if you if the purpose was family
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right the idea here is you wanted to have a family uh i don't see why you couldn't do that
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same exact thing that you were doing absent the marriage um i mean i've just never been in a long
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term monogamous relationship personally so i mean no shame to people that want to do that i think
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whatever floats your boat whatever makes you happy um we just agreed that you know that was the
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relationship structure of our marriage and it was ethical and we were okay with it so yeah no i i
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understand all that i'm just i'm just curious as to what the actual purpose of the marriage part is
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like so you could do all of that absent marriage right like you could still have the daughter you
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can still have the guy you can still have the you know you do all that minus so i don't actually
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um i mean we wanted to be married so i think we got married the the license part of it like
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having a business with your partner basically when you get married it's like a business or a license
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you're signing away yeah i mean um well he proposed to you right yeah so like you weren't pushing for
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marriage he what he just proposed out no i mean we we talked about it we talked about you know wanting
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to get married um and you know having children and these things so i think also for me i see now in
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retrospect i feel like i was just following a relationship escalator you know society says
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this is what a relationship is you meet someone and you guys fall in love and then you get engaged
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and then you get the house and then you get the dogs and then you get the baby and then you're married
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you know were you polly before you got married with this guy yes a couple questions here okay so
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let's do a bit of a timeline you guys were married for how long um three years and together for five
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yes total okay so you met him it started out monogamous is that correct correct okay how soon
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into the relation uh relationship did you want to open it up i would say after a year after one year
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so this is prior to you guys being married correct okay and uh huh because you said this is who i've
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always been did you had you not disclosed to him during the like that you were polly no i mean i
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disclosed it i mean you just asked if there was any pushback and i i expressed you know there was just
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i guess some confusion on his end why why did you accept monogamy to begin with i mean you that's
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what happened right i mean it wasn't me accepting it i think you know you just see someone you like
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them you guys continue seeing each other i'm not really sure it's so crazy about that it's not
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like well how long was it exclusive for you said a year mm-hmm but you're polyamorous why did you
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i explained i was sexually assaulted by a man prior to meeting him so i had to go to a lot of therapy
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for that oh he was like he was like a stable safe place for you i loved him yeah well i mean i i
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understand that but yeah i mean he helped me through that there was like this this prior event that
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happened which obviously is horrible right sorry that that happened to you but um but but is
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were you looking at this guy as kind of a rock right or something that was very stable
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because this event because you seem to tie these two events together well no you guys keep asking
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me specifically like you know why did you decide after a year so i explained i had to go to therapy
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you know i had to work on myself i had to become confident again find my voice do all these things and
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then you know remembered who i was do you think that the therapy assisted in your decision to move
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to polyamorous relationship in your marriage no my therapy didn't decide that no not decided did it
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did it assist because you said you were using the therapy to find yourself and get back into who you
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are this kind of thing so did the therapy actually assist you into the self-discovery aspect that you are
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indeed polyamorous yes okay i see but you have been in uh polyamorous relationships before right
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yes okay but we just have audio people listening just audio so if you just shake your head
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so you can confirm you just got to say yes no whatever um all right so what about you i've only been in
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one relationship and it's been for five years we're still going very strong all right is it your
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only relationship or yes okay relationship five years all right what about you well i just broke up
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with my ex-boyfriend i was with them since i was 17 years old we were together consistently for four
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years i broke up with him i turned 21 because he was like very toxic very controlling and so i took a
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year um off and he flew out a girl from oregon and started living with her and um then he started
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trying to talk to me again to get back together while the girl was still living at his house and i
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had no idea i thought he was just we're gonna get back together and so anyways they end up breaking up
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and i end up coming back to his house and living with him and starting over again and then i just
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broke up with him recently again at 23 how long was the break the break wasn't a year one year okay one
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year who uh who wanted the break i wanted the break um he kind of cut my hair um yeah when i was
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sleeping and so what yeah no we need more details yeah that's not something you just what do you mean
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he cut your hair yeah so what happened like he had very bad mental health issues and very controlling
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very because nobody just freaking cut somebody's hair no and i've been nothing but good to him he was my
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first relationship so i was 17 years old and before that my parents never let me date so i was just like
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perfectly pure innocent and i wanted a serious relationship and so i was like the third girl
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that he had like moved in with he was 20 years old at the time and i was 17 two months before i turned 18
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so not that weird and also like older guys too so yeah everything was good and fast forward um when
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during the break he when he was living with the girl i was um trying to move on because my man's with
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somebody else you know moving on so i downloaded hinge started talking to guys flirting on snapchat
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sending like like cute like like pictures and stuff like that you know and so i didn't think about
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deleting any of my old previous like my guys i was talking to on and so one day we went out to the
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bar while we're like still trying to talk and get back together we didn't fire anything it was amazing
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we went back home he invited friends over and i just got completely blacked out drunk because i felt i
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felt safe with him it was my safe place since i was 17 years old so i go upstairs i passed out my hair
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was so long at the time and he somehow got into my phone when i was sleeping and he was on drugs like
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not drugs like blow or whatever and drinking alcohol and so he was blacked out and he got into my phone
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and like saw all my previous messages that i was talking to when he was dating that girl and somehow he
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got really jealous and enraged that i was doing that when he was it makes no sense it's like as i'm saying
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mental illness and so he decided to cut my hair when i was passed out blacked out drunk how much
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did he cut it's he gave me like a little mullet i have like a picture on my phone he like cut the
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top layer he gave you a mullet kind of like a mullet like he let me like the long my long hair down
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and like the top layer of my hair just like jagged it up that's awesome and yes i was i did nothing
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i did nothing to this man i've been nothing but loyal to this man bought him um a phone clothes helped him
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um i was his mechanic monkey because he like old cars mechanic it's always the charity cases
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no but this his dad owns urban construction company and his dad has two yachts a plane he's
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like born and raised in the laguna niguel like rich boy can i name put like his name because
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yours need to be careful okay nevermind i won't get into that but anyways yeah i i has been through
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the ringer i've been through the ringer with this with this man he was the love of my life the first man
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i've ever loved and hang on one second one second so i mean you say you're nothing but loyal but i
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mean you dump the guy right yeah because he was controlling and like holding me back and wouldn't
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let me be who i needed who i knew i needed to be in my life well i mean but that doesn't sound like
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nothing but loyal wait me or him bro andrew hold on are you really defending somebody who cut somebody's
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hair off in her sleep yeah but this was before he cut the hair though so wait well i'm confused
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the second time yeah the second time we broke up and we got back together the second time i get it
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i get it and then though is that before this happened yeah before all this happened you said
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well i was nothing i'm nothing but loyal this and that it's like well i stand by that hang on hang on
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that it's not really if you dumped him that's not nothing but loyal yeah i can't be with the man who
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cut my hair i don't want to brag to my kids like oh yeah your dad back in our 20s but didn't you
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dump him before he cut your hair yes because he was controlling and toxic and i was trying to give
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him another chance i believe in second chances so okay but hang on hang on let's back up let's back
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up i don't understand how you can say though uh well i can't be with someone who cut my hair it's
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like what you dumped him before you he cut your hair i don't i don't wait andrew i gotta let me just
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yes this is very rare for me to all right andrew are you saying that if you break up with somebody
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ergo you are not loyal like there's yeah seriously i'm just trying to understand the position to date
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someone forever to be loyal to them well hang on hang on well i don't understand what does loyalty
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mean not cheating on people you're don't like let's lay around with other other people
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one person at a time i can only hear okay go ahead for me being loyal is you and your partner are
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to team deal you're not bringing any third person you're um loyal to each other love each other
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and respect each other and you're not looking for other peoples um to sleep around with is that not
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loyalty girls yeah it's true okay so that's so you say okay so he's not talking to other people like
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not cheating on you before you dumped him no he wasn't i've never got cheated on i don't
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i still don't understand like if the idea here he was controlling abusive he was a mentally and
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physically and verbally i get all that so i can i understand but what what was he doing which was
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abusive what's abuse what does that mean um mentally like tearing me down um verbally abusing me and
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physically like what's an example of that dumb whore for no reason like and telling me i'm like not
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not gonna amount to anything in life and just like you know he's trying to tear me down as a
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person saying he's the best thing i can get when it's not true and um i want to know why you went
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back because he was my first love but but the way he's treating you i know but a lot of a lot of people
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girls get beat up black and blue and still stay with their man don't go back it was my mistake i'm
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not going back the third time you learned i'm learning i learned not know that maybe it took me
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maybe it took me i'm cutting my hair that i had to learn the hard way i think there's something
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like domestic violence survivors go back seven or eight times before they either leave or get killed
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by their person so but hopefully i think it's like yeah i think it's good that you got out now and
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yeah your hair looks great and thank you yeah no it was very traumatic for me because i did love the
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guy he was and i was planning on marrying him and we're talking about forever and to settle with
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somebody and be with somebody forever like you have to be okay with everything you know like you don't
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want to find anybody else you're just okay with that person and that's how i felt with him but
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then after the years six years and everything he's been doing to me i was like i can't be with
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somebody like that you should put nair in his shampoo and make him prematurely bald
00:32:13.540
that's a good idea i should have but probably shouldn't do that but now i'm single and like i
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said i wasted six years of my life not wasted it was experience and um now i'm trying to like get
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gain those six years back and just focus on myself if somebody comes along that meets all my
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requirements because i'm very picky if he was very selective yeah when's the last time you talked
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to him um last time i talked to him was like we blocked on everything okay you've been you've been
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single for how long for but actually i spoke about like recently so like september when i left his house
00:32:45.940
for good so two months ago two months ago i moved to la when's the last time you talked to him um during
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that time you haven't talked to him for two months okay last time you saw him in person two months
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ago two was at his house when i and so the total length of the relationship was six years six years
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including 2018 including the one-year break is that correct so um from 2018 till i turned 21 that was
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four years consistently and then we had a one-year break and then all together getting back together
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we've been with each other like six years like messing around and like talking so okay uh there's a lot
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there um a lot a little rundown right now you broke up with him so you broke up with him the first time
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yes and the second time okay and there was a year break but he didn't cheat on me um from me breaking
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up with him he was just like not a good guy and i thought i can like who went back to who like did you
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reach back out to him we both played the um reaching back to each other first he would call me no
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caller id and then i would ignore him and then i would answer it and it was like playing team tag calling
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because then he would call me every day and then he'll stop calling me so i'd be like why aren't
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you calling me so then i would call him back and then finally we um started the girl left back to
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oregon and yeah we started talking again because i do not want to be the other woman and i do not
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all right you've been single for two months any other guys in the picture and you rebound well i have
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a couple um candidates i think it would be good but at this moment in time i'm not looking for a
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relationship when you say a couple candidates what do you mean um like good like good guys that i would
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probably give them a chance to um date have you been on a date with any of these guys no i haven't
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i haven't been dating how do you know them um through instagram and like parties and events i've seen
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them at you knew them prior to the breakup with your current or ex-boyfriend no okay so it's like
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recently they all just materialized you have a couple candidates that you've never met but they
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only materialized after the breakup yeah okay and they just dm'd you on instagram how many dms do you get
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per day um about like 15 to 20 but i'm still not active on when you get 15 to 20 dms from men per
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day oh from just general people um no i don't oh from guys oh no i don't if it's a spammer in india
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i get those too i guess my the habibi's calling you're on the dating podcast we're talking about
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dating oh yes talking about like sorry yeah um at least a day okay like five guys that are it's like
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seems like there's a romantic interest essentially probably them for me but not me yeah yeah so like
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they're dming you they're like hey what's up yeah want to go out want to um come out with five dms per
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day yeah at least okay all right um that's interesting uh really quick just on that note
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who here who else here how frequent how many dms do you get per day from men that are like probably
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hitting on you or whatever uh like a thousand no i mean maybe like one a day if i'm being honest
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not really any that much okay um honestly it just depends like if i'm active then obviously like
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well if i post a picture like what are you talking about yeah like if you post like you'll
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get like you know random guys too i've never even seen in my life average average over the course of
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a year average like every day like per day per day yeah if you had average i mean if i don't post i'm
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not getting any slide ups but if i post like you know like it could be anything like the past year
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yeah but like okay per day probably like um like five per month no like five five per day okay what
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about you say like 15 to 20 i post pretty often 15 to 20 dms from men per day okay what about you
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like no comment um um um i would say uh without posting which i don't do very often as much as i
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should uh probably like seven okay consistent every day all right what about you um you're too far
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from the mic facebook and instagram i don't get any dms okay deborah what about you i don't check
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my dms that much i'm sorry everybody i love you guys but if you if you were to when i do the occasional
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scroll down to just see if like i don't know elon musk is like hey i don't know you know not purpose
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but not a business reason business stuff um pro like i do want to point out that i don't get
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often like gross dms from guys i get usually like really nice like hey i'd love to take you for
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dinner like i already told my mom about us like things like that um so thankfully they're not sleazy
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but i would say probably about like between 20 to 50 a day 20 to 50 oh deborah from you brian
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oh yeah all right uh 20 to 50 per day all my fake accounts i like on instagram especially and like
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twitter lately i've been getting like upwards of like 30 to 50 million views a month so it's been
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a lot of people who may want to talk to me and you mentioned uh elon musk would if he did slide
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into your dms would you date elon i would not unfortunately he's too old for me but he did repost me
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on x two weeks ago so if you want to keep reposting me or give me a tesla thank you all right uh cool
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there you go um that's really interesting so it was uh five i think five five fifteen
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no you're 15 to 20 right seven the snapchat count and then oh yes that's a lot too
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i can't even count yeah i mean this is crazy i mean look i i know that this is the case for a lot of
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the women but uh the sexual option the sexual optionality that like the average woman gets
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maybe some of you aren't average but probably most of you are um no offense uh
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you guys have the same sexual pull as like a-list celebrities that are male a-list celebrities
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famous musicians top-tier musicians professional athletes it's just interesting to
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no but anyways moving on with uh the relationship status what about you um i'm in a committed four
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year relationship all right how did you guys meet um we actually met in high school and in
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i think 11th grade yeah in 11th grade all right cool love story yeah and that's your longest that's
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your longest relationship um my last relationship longest my long it was the same it was four years
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you had so you had another four year but we were like kids so i don't really like count it you know
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who broke up with who in that one i did okay what about you i've been single for the past four months
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all right uh longest relationship two years two years who broke up with who he broke up with me
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was that the one that ended four months ago okay why did he break up with you um i had like some
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unhealed trauma from my exes that i brought the baggage like into our relationship a lot of trust
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issues um you know it's two entertainers dating each other so we had to deal with that sure okay
00:40:09.140
uh so you've been single for four months uh any rebound or anything like that
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um i'm still like trying to work things out with him like trying to heal for myself but also like
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hopefully to attract him back in like a healthier way um but amongst that i've kind of been like
00:40:27.060
seeing other people it's been teaching me some new experiences do you have a roster currently
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of course what how big is the roster um i like to keep my options i like quality over quantity so
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right now like two okay and are you five sorry what it depends on what four seriously like two
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but so it's not a roster it's like a starting five yeah yeah we got we got like exactly starting
00:40:57.140
six maybe and have you healed the trauma that was causing you so much trouble well the more people
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i encounter sometimes it makes me realize like maybe i was the crazy one and like i need to kind of
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chill out what when you say you were the crazy one so what's what conduct uh were you doing that
00:41:21.380
was crazy just just a girl on her little fbi investigation stuff um you know i didn't like
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seeing him up under every girl's pictures liked by so and so or when guys don't want to see me in
00:41:35.140
the club but their following looks like the entire list of girls from the club so stuff like that i would
00:41:41.300
check his following i would see when it goes up i'd see who he's commenting under i'd check his location
00:41:48.660
yeah and i had a lot of time throughout the day we lived together too so i was like on him for everything
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i tried to not check his phone for the longest because i knew that's what made me crazy in my
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past relationship but sometimes a passcode slips into my peripheral and you know this leads to
00:42:04.420
that and i'm really trying to work on it i know that's some baggage that i need to heal yes a couple
00:42:10.100
times a few times was that behavior due to unhealed trauma yeah from being cheated on in my past and
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also like going back to them and stuff so how soon into the relationship did you start looking at this
00:42:22.660
phone um before we even got into an actual relationship yeah yeah so like a week oh oh
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sorry looking at his phone sorry i thought you said his following following i did early the phone wasn't
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until like a year into us living together okay so how many different times did you check his phone
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um maybe like twice because the first time i didn't see anything i was like that can't be right
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so i checked it a second time and i'm like okay maybe he is actually clean
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i think it's a negative feedback loop that this is like a very common thing that people deal with
00:42:53.780
in relationships on the male and female side that when women aren't secure in relationships
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it makes them create us crazy and girls start doing things like that but then also when you do things
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like that it pushes away any chance of normalcy and this is just a product of modern dating and like
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the issues that and i think it's the reason that people aren't entering relationships and they're not
00:43:12.020
finding they're happy ever after and it's sad and hopefully we can just move past this whole like
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social media stage did you uh tell him that you went through his phone uh yeah i did because i was
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like why did you like her entire story highlight you said i didn't have to worry about this co-worker
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i knew y'all were fucking i just went in and he almost moved out and we had to call my parents and
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talk about it and um yeah so so you so you went crazy on this guy i i tried not to i was like watching
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him sleep i couldn't i was like no i gotta wake him up i couldn't what i was ruminating in my thoughts
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you watched him sleep because i was like should i wake him up like is it really that big with you
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yeah wait when you so but why were you watching him
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sleep no i was just deciding whether or not to wake him up like should i act down and crash out
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or no wait what do you mean wake him up for what because i wanted to know i had been having my
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suspicions about his like shift lead at work he would work like overtime all of a sudden at like a
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nursery like a senior caregiving yeah for a year so he though he was working hard well so he started
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taking overtime shifts and um started following his co-worker on instagram but you guys live together so
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why would you be watching him can't you just talk to him when he before he went to bed i did so i like
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drove his car and i saw a footprint um i thought i saw a footprint in the windshield and i was like
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whose footprint is that like are y'all on your lunch break or something like is this your
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shit your mind just keeps on going i literally like measured it because i was like is this your
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footprint or is this a female's footprint so if i was your lawyer i'd be like girl
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you know okay we're getting into legal territory at what point during all of this did you manage to put
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the cuckoo back in the clock i'm still working on that because don't worry okay yeah so how early
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into the relationship were you uh looking at his following list like immediately like the first week
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because he's a model like he's on set with other models he's an aspiring actor i like yeah can't
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fathom all the female co-stars and stuff he meets on a daily basis well uh were you guys like exclusive
00:45:44.980
right away pretty much or pretty much it was kind of the sense that like oh i'm telling my guy friends
00:45:50.260
like you're my girlfriend and stuff like that and i'm like okay let's wait to make it official but we
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know we're exclusive you know how soon did you guys move in with each other after a year of being
00:45:59.220
together okay after a year and was that pushed by you or by him or my grandpa had passed away so my
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mom was going to move back with my grandma and then i just had like a whole house with empty rooms
00:46:11.220
had to find some roommates so it was kind of like last minute but it's something that we had planned
00:46:15.700
anyway to move in together did you charge him rent yeah like he invited the rent for you market
00:46:22.180
fair market value we had the master bedroom so we paid the most like out of the house but we split it
00:46:27.300
yeah all right and uh let's see so uh what was his reaction because you like you told him
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you check his phone and then you'd tell him afterwards right because you felt guilty or
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you still wanted to confront him about nothing um well i mean he had followed his co-worker
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let's say in january 2024 so why did he like all of her entire gym highlights from 2022 little photos of
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her and her tight little leggings her booty progress photos when she he could have liked any other story
00:47:03.940
of maybe like her going out to eat at restaurants or her traveling but no he specifically only likes
00:47:09.300
the one of her gym highlights now had you uh had a conversation with him prior to this happening that
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you are uncomfortable with him liking or following yes okay you and what did he say to that um he said
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that he would stop he wouldn't do anything that doesn't align with a relationship okay and then i'd
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like to investigate a little bit of your conduct in the relationship so he was totally reasonable
00:47:30.020
um as far as doing things publicly i didn't like when he was commenting like fire emojis under photos
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of girls in lingerie and i'm like that doesn't look good reflecting on our relationship you know you
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just need to respect our relationship now let's um i i do i would like to uh investigate a bit of your
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conduct here though you mentioned that you would be going out to the bar bars and clubs correct
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and would uh you also do modeling is that correct or more like freelance not like sign okay uh you
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have your public instagram though would you be posting revealing photos on your instagram yes and
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he would as well of himself yeah like i think it's totally different between women on this uh well we
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went around the table and all of you said that you guys get five 15 20 you get 15 20 dms per day by
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men women don't really at least at the same uh frequency slide into men's dms and in fact we can
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test this right now um how many dms do you guys slide into i do it all the time let's just do how
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many dms one or two hold on how many total dms have you ever sent to a man on instagram displaying
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some sort of romantic not just like there's just one guy that i do go ahead what about you how
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it's a tough one i mean less than five i'd say less than five what about you just my boyfriend
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zero okay maybe three oh you slid into your boyfriend's dm well always every time he posts yeah
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you mean like otherwise or that's not how you met though you didn't slide that's not how you
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met correct oh initiate no we met through school okay all right what about you how many dms have
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you sent out at least like maybe three guys like total okay what about you zero zero how about you
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how many dms have you sent three three twelve twelve okay what about you none really deborah what about
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you damn i believe in getting what you want and asking for what you want i've definitely slid in
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into a handful of men's yeah ryan a handful of men's dms um and one of them worked out i ended up
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like going on dates with him later on in life and i'm how many how many though how many in total yeah
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i don't know how many came to fruition but like at least yeah they didn't good yeah no at least 10
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at least at least 10 okay um and then i'm pretty sure i'm a fan of that i'm pretty sure like that
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yeah to be honest i'd rather go hunt down who i want than have them come to me like yeah that's
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great i like that too but in any case in person every single girl here has received orders of
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magnitude more dms than you've sent out so this is why this is just to explain the differential here
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like the amount of sexual pursuit and intention that you guys get as women is totally different
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so like if you as a girl you post a revealing photo that's like actually advertising whereas
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when a man does that post a revealing photo like what he posted a shirtless pic mind you
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he's also going to gym he's also a model correct so that's also in addition to that within the purview
00:50:38.740
of his profession um massive differential i do want to point out though that like when i have
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slid into these men's dms it's for hopes of like going on a date with them or thinking that they're
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like a stand-up guy that can maybe be my future husband whereas the dms that i receive i'm sure
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at least half of them are people who just would want to have sex or things of that nature or just
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for the sake of like oh i took her out stuff so obviously i can't i want to give the benefit of
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the doubt to the male followers that are messaging me but i don't know what their actual intentions
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are whereas i know all of those 10 at least have been like genuine relationship intentions i can't
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say the same for the other ones necessarily yeah i mean i'd be willing to grant to you that it's
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probably more likely that a man's intentions but might uh more men men's intentions but might be
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more casual in nature but i wouldn't be surprised i mean even you admitted earlier that uh most of
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the dms you have received have been fairly polite i wouldn't be surprised and also just given probably
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i assume the men who are interested in you probably lean a bit more conservative which would indicate to
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me that they're probably a bit more interested in long-term relationship as opposed to like some soy
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boy who's just trying to fuck you because that's what soy boys do i guess i don't know they're not
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really they don't even get women's way boys well that's probably also true so they get other men
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but in any case i do think there's a difference like if a guy posts a photo on instagram it's not
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going to elicit the same level of attention as a woman posting a revealing uh photo will receive
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but post one and let's see brian let's test it i mean i'll bust the thong out like the
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little jim thirst trap like you guys like to do the borat man it's coming um so okay uh going back
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to you though you were uh what was it you were posting uh you were posting revealing photos on
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instagram like photos of me at the beach in a bikini not like yeah that's revealing lingerie photos
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but it's like a girl can't be at the beach a guy can't like his co-workers instagram like you have
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to that's my way of sliding into guys dms that's why i took it as disrespectful what do you mean because
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i'll like i'll like a guy's story if i think he's looking cute yeah i won't go as far as like messaging
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them so i felt like to him that was him showing him him showing extra love to his co-worker that
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didn't need to be shown when she has already do you go the bar he finds you attractive what
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was that do you go to bars and clubs yeah because promoters like um pay me they're like bring out
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girls and we'll pay you so it's a money opportunity so if um if a you live in los angeles right orange
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county okay you're close enough so if somebody like a hey can you guys shut the fuck up please thank you
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guys we told you before the show you can't be doing sidebar conversations
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what can we can't get up to get something no you can go to the bathroom that's what i was asking here
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because i'm like falling asleep i need like some energy that's what i was asking like one at a
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time yeah there's a there's energy shots back there but kindly don't speak sorry as instructed i just
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didn't know if we could get up yeah you can get up that's totally fine okay you can use the bathroom
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you can get an energy shot before i was interrupted uh it so you said because you're do you want to get
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up yeah i'll get up in a second all right so you were saying that you go out to the bars and clubs
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because you were being paid right so if a porn producer reached out to you and offered to pay
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you to shoot a porn wouldn't your boyfriend have an issue with that okay it's different though i'm
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getting paid to sit in a section like a secluded vip section where i'm not even on the dance floor or at
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the bar with guys i'm literally getting drinks to my table i'm in a section with just me and my
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girls they'd rather me bring girls out to a club than guys so it's not like i'm surrounded by girls
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there that's that's a club promoter they want to have girls in the club how do they make money at the
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club well the girls bring the guys in and the guys pay for sections and bottles and drinks at the club
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so do you think uh but okay let's let's examine that why do they even pay to have women show up at
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these clubs it's for appeal appeal to who to their audience it could be ladies spending money on
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bottles so women go to bars to to hit on other women are you going where i've been hit on by women
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at bars yeah you also get hit on by men at bars yes but i keep it respectful because i'm in a
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relationship doesn't matter not the type to go out give out my number go like their stories on
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so did he tell you he doesn't want you going out to bars and clubs um he just doesn't want me to
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extend the connection further than the clubs like don't try to give them your number or connect with
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them on instagram but you were still basically how often would you go out to uh bars and clubs
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like bi-weekly monthly wait so twice a week or twice a month once every two weeks or like
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once a month it depends on how often they reach out to me okay and it sounded like so did he have
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issues with you going out to these bars and clubs um he would make his little jokes about like me
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wearing revealing stuff or going out with my single girlfriends who might influence me to do single
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things so he didn't want you to do that yeah but you did it anyways he never said explicitly don't go
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to clubs and bars he just said he doesn't like him your number why i don't understand he says he
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doesn't like it why does he then need to actually articulate because he would go out to the bars with
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his boys and i had to be okay with it i wouldn't have to stop him from that but what i wouldn't want
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him to go do is go to the bar with his co-worker that i think he's flirting with you know i'm going out
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with my girlfriends if he's going out with his guy friends it's fine it depends on who you're going out
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with yeah but again this this comes back to the differential between men and women so as a guy if
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you go to a bar or a club uh while i'll grant that on rare occasions a woman might approach you this is
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exceedingly a rare occurrence so it's totally different so when you go out to the bar club
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you can be pretty certain that you're going to get approached like if i go out to a bar club
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there's no world where i can expect oh yeah tonight like three girls are going to hit on me
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and want to fuck me tonight and put in all the work to try to fuck me tonight you'd be surprised
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when i was younger i've been to bars and clubs it that's not how it works now women are very more
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like no they're not you know you're out here sending dms we're out here shooting our shot like
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it's different now i run away from men in the clubs nine out of ten times honestly yeah you don't
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find love in the clubs yeah you want to find a drink you know like it's easy yeah girls don't
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approach in the club i mean you can say that but it's i mean it's that's total cap how many times
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have you approached a guy in the club well to get like a drink or to get in their section to have sex
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with them oh no zero so hold on you're being so disingenuous right now so you'll approach a guy to get
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his alcohol but you don't have any actual romantic interest whereas what i'm taught so they're not you're
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not like actually that's the only time i would approach a guy so you just defeated your own
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argument so there's no risk so essentially you're just saying there's absolutely no risk
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of a guy going to a club and actually having a woman sexually pursuing
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um i mean if your man is like a model and he's attractive enough i think that women would gravitate
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towards him but like as a woman i wouldn't go approaching men with the intent to sleep with
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them i would be approaching them with the intent to get a free drink or like to get a seat at their
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vip section so i don't have to stand in my heels all night at the club right so when i say women
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don't approach men when i'm talking about i'm not yeah i guess technically you're approaching them so
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you could procure alcohol that's not really what i'm talking about when men approach women they're trip
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they're typically trying to procure a relationship or a sexual experience or something like that
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so that's kind of what i'm talking about by your own admission here you've just said that okay well
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women don't really go to the club to do that really whereas men do this would seem to further
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establish my position i still said i go to the clubs to sit at vip sections and hang out with
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my home girls and get free drinks yeah i started with that initially and i'm ending with that too
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whether the free drinks come from a promoter who's paying me to bring girls to the club and giving me
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free bottles or it's coming from guys who are paying why do you think the guys why do you think
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guys go to clubs for the ladies for sure to get late right sure okay so they're not getting that
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from me though why do girls go to the club to dance to dance to listen to good music dress up be cute
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take photos for the instagram drink some good liquor you know i tend i do tend to see women though
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mostly not go to clubs where there's only women to dance that's really strange where where are you
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think you would think for instance that if it were true that women only wanted to go to the club so
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that they could dance with other women to tell each other how cute they were that they would go to a
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club that was exclusively for women but they don't do that hang on hang on hang on that's super strange
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can you explain why that is um well actually when i was out in new york trying to look at the nightlife
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they had like lgbtq nights and like lesbian nights and they're like all the girls and the gays are
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invited and i was like i would love to go to something like that have to not be worried about
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a guy trying to sexualize you yeah pray on you exactly like i would love to go to yeah okay so yeah
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some clubs may have a gay night where you can go in and hang out with gay women i guess but
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or just girls 99 of the time that you have gone to a club my assumption is that there are men at
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those clubs yeah but the men are why not go to a club why not well so why not go to a club where
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there's no men where it's just exclusive do you know a club where there's only women let me know
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i'll be yeah well you would think if this was a viable model that one of you with the glorious
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entrepreneurs who own 50 000 businesses would simply start an all-woman's club you know i actually might
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get it that's a good idea i already own an all-girls company next business there's a
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well it's interesting it's just it's interesting to me because you said you just said that your
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perception of the club experience is men preying on women wouldn't that further establish men having
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more pretext and justification for not wanting their girlfriends to go to the club because by your
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own admission men prey on women in these environments but women don't typically prey on
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men in these environments yeah but so that's another differential that just further establishes
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my position that if you're in a relationship with a woman she should not be going out to a bar
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or club but it's kind of like you know the VIP sections though what's that the guys like prey on
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you they stand by the bar and they look at you or they're on the dance floor looking at you so just
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to be clear so your experience of going to night clubs and bars is men pray on you
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why the fuck would you go to these environments what if you take out your man with you
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is that different i bring i invite him to all the clubs with me too does he go yeah and he's like
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all your guy friends just want to fuck you this this and that why would you go to as i don't know
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as a guy why would you go to the bar if you already have a girl yeah that doesn't make any sense like
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there's no reason as a guy to go to a bar nightclub absent trying to find a woman you already have a
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woman so why would you go there with her i think it's the same for girls too and every relationship
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that i've been in i unless i was with them i didn't go to clubs or bars because if i was going
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out i would want them there and i think as women we can all admit that when you get drunk at a club
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you are looking for a companion and like that is the goal of going there so like if you're in a
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relationship for me at least like if i'm drinking and i'm not with a boyfriend then like that's the
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only person i want to be with so i wouldn't i personally haven't and it's just like a natural
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decision i've never been asked not to i just think it's something i'm gravitate towards you know
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so no one here has been to a woman's only club or like a femme event no well i would assume
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i would assume that let's let's assume for a moment that all of them have right just for like
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the sake of of argument um there's no possible way that that's 99 of the experiences right not
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most of the time that women are going to clubs they're not going to same-sex clubs so that they
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can dance so that other girls can see they're going to clubs with the opposite sex because they
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want to get their drink spot right i mean isn't that isn't that actually the case and they want
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attention they want to get the drink spot and validation well i don't drink alcohol at all so
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i'm not going to a club for alcohol at all i'm going to like get stress out and dance and actually
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enjoy myself because i don't i'm i don't really like involving myself around people period they stress
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me out yeah well and that may be true but uh you would have to admit that you're an exception to the
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rule right so it's not that all women always only go to clubs for the purposes of having drinks bought to
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them right but most women seem to go to clubs so that they can dance and they want to go to clubs
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where men are because those men will buy their drinks right i mean is that is that not the case
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or do you think that most women go to uh go to clubs because they don't want their drinks bought
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and they could go to a you know same-sex club i mean being single now and going out to the clubs with
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my girls we don't just kind of like depend on a man to buy us drinks we'll pre-game before
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um i also don't drink too much myself so i'll be smoking before but if you're pre-gaming then you're
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planning on it so literally literally if you're pre-gaming that is planning so you're saying what
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do we do what do we do if the guys don't buy our drinks well they will buy our drinks because you
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don't have to depend on a man to go out and have a good night with your home girls you can supply your
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own drink so it doesn't always have to boil down to a man but my my ex did end up becoming a club
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promoter anyway so his job ended up becoming to get all the girls to come to the vip section and i
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had to be okay with that during our relationship too i didn't like the thought of him being at a
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table with 10 girls in a section at the club getting them free drinks yeah but earlier you said wait wait
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wait that makes no sense because earlier you said yeah but the reason i do this socialization uh is
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because it's like for networking purposes and because you're making that money but somehow when he's doing
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the socialization because he's making that money that's bad because i'm going with just me and my
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home girls he's going and he has to find other girls from the club he's not there with his boys he's
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not there with his girl best friends he's there finding girls like me and my friends to bring out
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to the clubs but we also broke up for that reason because neither of us liked that both of us were
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going to we do have to get through the rest so it's so it's rules for he but not for she
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he had to go follow these girls on instagram i didn't i was there to look pretty at the table
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get free drinks with my girlfriends all around me and when you travel in packs with more girls
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it's more intimidating for guys to come approach you as a girl in a group of eight instead of me
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being like alone on the dance floor by the bar then a guy would come up and approach me but i'm
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literally in secluded sections there's like ropes there's bodyguards and stuff around us like no
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my no man praying is just going to come up on me yeah but but the idea here still is that
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you're doing this for money he was doing this for money right so i also said the extent of us
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connecting stayed in the club i only ever talked to people if they were in the club they never got my
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number or my instagram he would have to connect with these girls outside of the club get their
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number get their instagram and bring them into the club is what i'm saying because that was his job
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yes yeah so but he's getting paid for it but y'all are saying i can't get paid for it and do the same
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thing it's no no no i'm holding you to your standard right i'm not saying what you can or can't do i'm
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just saying that if your standard is look um you know i need to obsess over this dude because you know
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every click uh you know that he does on anybody's instagram uh that could be that he's having an affair
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or something like this which is legitimate i just think that if you're also going to the club and doing the
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same type of nightlife even though it may have a slightly different context it seems fair uh that
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if you say it's okay for me to do it because there's money involved that you would apply that
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same standard to him right yeah the ratio of me going out is nine girls to maybe one promoter but when
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it's him it's going to be the one promoter to the nine girls that he's going to be around it's just
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different well i don't know why like if you because you add friends somehow it makes it better
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like i i don't i don't are your friends just like holding you to account are they like ah girl you
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can't do x y and no they're not holding you to account right they're out partying right like rock
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stars my friends are loyal so they would be the type to promote monogamy in the club and not promote
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cheating behaviors yeah so okay um have you you said you went out with your boyfriend right
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i'd always invite you guys would go out together were there ever any situations when you were out
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with him where like some drunk guy said something maybe did something and he had to intervene in some
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sort of way or happens all the time to me he was not too confrontational he's more of like if they
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really do something to us then we'll fight back but that's okay but has something like that happened
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yeah just kind of like verbal stuff but i kind of knew how to fend them off myself so he never had
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to step in were you ever disappointed that your boyfriend didn't step in a little bit yeah this is
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precisely psa to all the men viewing never go with your girl first off don't date girls who go to bars
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clubs parties second off if it never go out in any sort of environment where there's alcohol with your
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girl it's the amount of men i've seen get sparked up in a fight because the girl i don't know it's
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don't do it gentlemen don't go out with your girl because either you're in the situation here you're
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in the situation here where she's disappointed in you for not stepping up to some drunk idiot in a bar
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or you do step up and either you fuck the guy up and then you catch a case or you get
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fucking brain damage because he knocks you out you fucking hit your head on the concrete on the
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floor boom boom boom whatever it is so i know you laugh but i mean this happens all the time yeah i
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never wanted to get to that point that's why yeah but it's just like it's so stupid to go out with
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your girl but isn't like a bonding moment for you and your partner to go out have drinks together
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dance together have a good night together come home no i thought that was fun until why can't you go
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like do normal couple what happened i thought that was normal couple should to go out one not
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every night every weekend but once in a while biking why i mean that was because my ex that's
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what he liked to do so i would go always go with him i mean that's fine look people can do it i just
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think it's really ill-advised for men because there's some like some dumb ass in the look i'm not
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excusing the actions of these other people men who get drunk or whatever but like it's gonna
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fucking happen it happens yeah you don't want to like be the one who's like okay and also like
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half the fucking fights i've ever seen in these sort of sorts of environments it's over a chick
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and also can you point out that there's a distinction between going to your local pub
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with your significant other and having dinner and some beers or drinks or something like that and then
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going home for that bonding versus going to a nightclub that's filled with 90 singles including
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drunk horny men that seems like a recipe for this i don't know why that would need to be part of the
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bonding you know yeah that would be kind of different i've seen people literally like get
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paramedics come fucking brain permanent brain damage from some like guys like come up to me
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asking like oh do you want a drink and my my man's like oh she's with me and she doesn't want a drink
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from you and i was like see like stuff like that yeah but you said you've seen like that those
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situations where girl the guy says some dumb shit boyfriend's gotta fuck in gotta do something about
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it yeah but again i mean we also know i mean i don't i don't think people are so ignorant they
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don't know where the party spots are like where the singles are the younger men younger women are
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again i think the big difference uh if you go to tgi fridays and you have a couple of drinks
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and you know the baby back ribs versus going to a nightclub that see it seems like uh i don't know
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why you need to go to a nightclub in order to bond that just seems strange because like sometimes
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the djs play good music that you wouldn't get at tgi fridays or the pub around the corner from your
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house and it's just a different and a different ambiance like you come out and it's nice you want
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to step out in your louboutins yeah i don't want to come dressed out to tgi fridays just to come back
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home and like change into some pjs like i want to dance with him on the dance floor and like get it on
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like usher style like we in the club why can't you do that at home yeah you're still
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i mean i can just play something off my bluetooth speaker and it's just put the rv station on yeah
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i guess we can i mean personally i only had really good experiences with my man at the club me too
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and i've been a couple times with them i never had one bad experience it's always super fun
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like parting with your pants with your part with your person just me personally look i'll grant that
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i'm like you want to party with your person highly introverted and like i hate bars and clubs and
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shit okay can you guys actually make like a compelling argument or articulate like what is
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actually fun about going to the bar i can kind of understand hold on i can kind of understand it a bit
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more from the woman's perspective free drinks you're getting all kind of attention male validation
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etc etc i guess girls like to dance or whatever the fuck why like what's actually fun about it and then
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perhaps like what would even on top of that what's actually fun about it for a guy like i just don't
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understand it whatsoever i think it's dancing with your girl personally i mean my ass on you right
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yeah like my man always has so much fun like when we're just dancing together and there's not much
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places where we can just go and just dance and have fun yeah and it's dark too so you're not really
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like like looking at him and like oh like he's dancing but like you're both just having fun
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like drunk or not like we don't need liquor too yeah if you go see a dj yeah yeah yeah
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there's a companionship there's a companionship being with your um with your person and partying
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together enjoying that it's a vibe for sure okay are you maybe too old for that um i mean i mean
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i'm 23 so i'm still party girl you realize that while perchance you may think that brian is currently
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ancient uh just a few years ago he was not so the thing is is like and clubs believe it or not
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existed when brian was your age so it's like i don't i don't know why like we don't have a frame
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of reference here definitely have a frame of reference you never went to the club for a show
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oh like i mean i went a little bit when i was younger i i didn't i was never a big drinker though
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you didn't go to people watch you look like a people watcher
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your whole show is people watching you love people watching i mean i i went but it was like
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i don't know it's free entertainment it's free people watching and drunk people
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honestly it was never i don't know the whole the like the whole experience was not for everybody
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um so okay uh last thing i guess on this whole bar thing then we need to get the rest of people's
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uh relationship status i guess that going back to the whole differential thing i guess what i was
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trying to get to is um you guys do acknowledge i know that like look i'll even grant that you guys
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go to the club just to have fun and dance and it's not necessarily to meet men but you guys do
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acknowledge like maybe maybe not you but you have a girlfriend who like she's gone out one night and
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she's like i want to meet a guy have you guys had that experience maybe for yourself i know a lot of
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you've been are in long-term relationships or whatever um but you will admit like some women
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will go out with the hopes of maybe a guy flirting with them or something sure that's the only reason
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that my friends will want me to come out with them honestly it's not my forte but you got to support
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your girls but we've always said that like for us going out just at least my friend group like the
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pre-game is the best part of the night out it's not the club like right my two best friends in new
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york we will be at the bar whatever for probably pre-game for two hours go to the bar for 20 minutes
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and leave get pizza go home and be like we had so much fun together that sounds like a great night
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i love that i think i've just grown out of it so what is pre-game but let me let me drinking beforehand
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having some cocktails listening to music finishing your makeup girly time yeah so tailgating and so
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but and you guys those of you who've been out you guys do acknowledge that when you do go out
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there are men there who are interested in like hitting on you sexually pursuing you etc etc you guys
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acknowledge that right that's like anywhere we go grocery out on the street yeah you can walk to
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the grocery store the gas station yeah sure i mean you could you could be at trader joe's a guy could
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come approach you i would say it's probably more anticipated that it's going to happen at a bar or
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nightclub exactly uh and also like i don't know shit goes down in the bars and clubs like i don't know
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i don't think in the history of trader joe's there's ever been like a guy approaches a girl and then
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like five minutes later five minutes later he's like finger banging her or some shit i've seen
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look i've went to these clubs and parties and shit i've seen stuff happen um sure you know they'll hook
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up they'll leave the club together they'll fuck like i don't know if they in the history of trader
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joe's that's maybe who knows some guy with like immaculate riz or some shit but yeah it only happens
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at home depot at the same time it goes down at home depot for sure but so knowing this i guess um
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and know it like here's the difference right so
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men and women we flirt differently so like you said earlier like you like the way you'll kind of
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flirt right is you might just like something you won't actually slide into a dm you'll go out to the
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bar or whatever uh even granting that when you do go to these environments maybe that's not your
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intention but you are have any of you met met a guy from a party bar or club yeah yeah well you guys
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been in relationships forever so yeah i have you have what about you i mean i would say so yeah deborah
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what about you bar my longest relationship actually i met him in a club in israel okay and so going into
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that though like were you going out though with like i really want to meet a guy tonight i was on
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a program so there was like a couple hundred of us that would go and like basically just take over
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the clubs that we went so it wasn't it was college in israel okay bar ilan yeah um but there's a bunch
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of different programs like that and he was on a different program and then everybody just happened
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to be there that night and then we made out in the club and then we did it for like almost two years
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so it seems like okay when here's the dilemma that i see though it's like okay so when you get
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into a relationship because men and women flirt differently i think we can all agree that neither
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the man or the woman should like you shouldn't go and actively approach somebody right like that would
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be cheating if the guy went up to a girl and like hit on her right that'd be cheating and that'd also
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be cheating if the woman went up to somebody and hit on them but this sort of ignores the like
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asymmetry between men and women women don't really do that so the way that you guys flirt and this is
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very if if your intention is to find a guy and some of you have met men in these sorts of environments
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the way that you will flirt is you'll put yourself in a position for men to come and approach you that's
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your method of getting men but being exposed yeah you you you won't like really slide into a bunch of
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some occasionally but you won't like really slide into dms you won't like go up to men at these
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environments but you'll put yourself in a position maybe you'll put yourself in proximity stand next
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to them so you can see us you're saying it's like cat and mouse essentially well yeah so the conduct in
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which the way in which women will flirt doesn't change once they're in a relationship it's more
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strategic no but hold on let me i'll tell you what i'm getting at and so in a relationship we only like
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shut down the ways in which men flirt but there is no expectation really that's placed on women that
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men need to shut down the way you guys make yourselves available to men so you continue you
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when you're in a relationship a lot of women continue their single conduct does that make sense
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yeah but the way so the way we conduct ourselves when we're single would not be acceptable once we're
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in a relationship but the way you guys conduct yourselves when you're single that's never challenged
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and i think it ought to be so if you're in a relationship with a guy you got to stop posting
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revealing photos you got to stop dressing revealing and you got to stop going out to bars clubs and
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parties even if you have no intention of approaching a guy you know going to these events
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you will be approached some guys like that though they like their girl getting attention
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not really so in the way that we have to shut down our options you don't shut down your options
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when you guys are in a relationship and i find that interesting but brian have you never had
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the experience with girls where you're just like excuse me do you have a tissue and they're like
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i have a boyfriend don't speak to me there are so many women who act like that where they won't
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even talk to another man literally like i have a boyfriend they're like i'm just trying to seat
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you at your table for dinner so i think it just comes on every side but i definitely agree with you
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and i think to take it a step further that if you don't want to do that if you're not with somebody
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who makes you want to you know just put your eyes his eyes on you and really only pursue that
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relationship then i don't think you're with the right person and i think every girl has experienced
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that where a guy when you're talking to a guy he either makes you want to never speak to met
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another man ever again or reminds you how much better you can get and then encourages you to date
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more and find a better match for yourself i'm perfectly willing to grant that there are women who
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are who are in relationships who go to these environments and they will shut down a hundred percent
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of the men a hundred percent of the time the and that might very well be the case although there's
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certainly situations where like i mean women have a hypergamous nature there very well could be a case
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it's like well are we are like in like an argument phase of our relationship and is oh this guy's like
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i don't know if this other guy who's stepping to you if he's like exceptional in some additional way
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like you just got to close down your options but even putting that aside if you guys are looking to
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men to be leaders and to be protectors one one component of us being protectors would be we have to
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have some say and authority when it comes to your conduct and protecting the relationship because if
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you're going to these parties let's say you have no intention of cheating some guy could roofie you
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we're looking out for you i don't want you in the club and you know he could somebody could put
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something in your drink some guy could grab your ass and you feel terrible about it and i'm not that's
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terrible behavior but guys are drunk they do that i don't want to expose my girlfriend to that kind of
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conduct from other men and and also just i don't drink and party and all that stuff so like i'm not
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dating women who do this for the most part anyways but uh yeah we're just trying to protect you so i
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i like that point of view um but that's why like when i said i get paid to go here i know the
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promoters like they'll get us a section for me and my girls to sit at so our drinks aren't anywhere near
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where it can get roofied on the dance floor or guys aren't close enough to be smacking our ass like
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we're literally sitting enjoying ourselves in the club and we have our own secluded area to dance
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if we did want to dance we don't have to step onto the sweaty dance floor in close proximity with
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i'm just curious like look i i'm not all there's different kinds of clubs different kinds of
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environments i mean i know you're saying that but like to me just from a business perspective um
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they're the reason they have the women in the clubs is like the men they want to talk to the
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women they want to interact with the women um you're saying well you've got your little space
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so you're saying in the history of all the times you've been to a bar and you have your section no
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no guy has ever talked to you ever well i have single friends who are there with me so they'll
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go off and mingle or they'll go talk to some guys and it's not technically me who's bringing guys to
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the clubs but it's the girls that i bring and you know guys see more girls are in the club so they're
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willing to pay a cover fee or they're willing to spend for a couple of drinks at the bar to get tipsy
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to go hit on some girls they're willing to spend on the girls who are there to milk their money
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throughout the course of your relationship when you're going out to the bars and the clubs did
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a guy uh at the club or bar ever say anything inappropriate to you in fact you are wait you
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already admitted to this because you said there are a few times you were out even with your boyfriend
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and you were hopeful that he would intervene in some way but he didn't because he's non-confrontational
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okay so did you you even admitted that it happens yeah um when you go out even with your boyfriend
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i feel like some guys have no no regard for relationships sometimes having a man will make
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them want to hit on you more some of my experience like compete with him yeah so that's even i mean
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that seems like a really good reason to not go out to the club but even being a singer songwriter when
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i go perform at all these clubs bars venues in la like there are guys who are fawning over me in the
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crowd and my boyfriend has to like witness this what can he do uh not go to the bar or club he's just
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there to support me performing for oh oh what you're doing a performance i perform at clubs and
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bars too and there's guys in the clubs and bars who find me attractive okay all right well all right
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guys we have a couple chats here that i'm going to read uh and then we'll get to the relationship
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status we've got actually deborah can i have you read this these yes if you can see call me skeptical
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but this chick wanted to lock down half of the marital i can't see it no no i think it says marital
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the cup i can read guys i swear marital estate before she blindsided him with the poly crap at
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which point he was stuck in a financial straitjacket by the way dot dot dot uh wait hold on uh
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oh sorry this one okay go ahead continued by the way i'm a lawyer don't bullshit me dude got totally
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railroaded by the vile woman gents out there eyes wide open i believe this is to you do you have a
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response to lucas i guess you would know takes one to know one baby okay cool rock and roll uh
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relationship status what about you uh i have a pet i i have a pet like a guy that that acts like my dog
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oh wait hold on oh i thought you were joking um no he sleeps on my floor in the dog bed you have a
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he's like a sub is that what you yeah yeah he just does whatever i ask a servant so you have a master
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slave bdsm dynamic yeah basically i i don't i went you're being serious right yeah i i was in i got out
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of an abusive relationship about a year ago the guy tried to strangle me like five times ran to the
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neighbor's house i'm not sure how that's relevant but okay so i i ended up with this well because as you
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know the best way to recover from being in an abusive relationship is to abuse somebody
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everybody knows that well i don't hit him or anything and he's he he he yeah just humiliate
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him make him sleep in a dog bed does he have a dog i told him he could i didn't tell him he had to
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he asked me to buy him a dog bed yeah i mean you realize you do realize that there are mentally ill
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individuals out there who do mentally ill things and that it is very enabling when a person's like well i
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know that you're mentally ill and sick in the head that you'd be willing to sleep in a dog bed like
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a freak but i'm gonna go ahead and in some way get some sort of gratification from that like what
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it doesn't doesn't that say something bad about you uh i didn't think about it but i guess i i don't
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know i i take care of him financially i pay all of his bills like why because i i don't know i
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she's the dom i just enjoy the comforts do you peg him too i don't think so you how would you you
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would forget that or how would you forget that i tell him he's a good boy though does he bark for
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you he probably would if i asked him to is this around this is like yeah what kind of pet dynamic
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is this yeah this is like that off have you seen that office episode where they like went to jan's
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house like michael and jan's house and like jan had the whole bed she walks him with the collar
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yeah the ottoman that's kind of what it is actually and then there's like a there's like
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a what's it called you know at the edge of the bed there's a ottoman it was like an ottoman he slept
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on the ottoman are you being 100 serious is it abusive if there's a contract that says he consents
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to this i mean look it is a relationship okay yeah i mean i'm sure i'm sure if a man for instance
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were to have some type of contract with a woman that it was okay for him to well i don't know smack
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her around whenever he felt like it you would still consider that to be abusive even though
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it was contractual right i looked it up by law it's technically if it's consensual by a contract
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you're okay you wouldn't think that that was abusive i mean if i don't like it and i'm saying
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no then yeah that's a form of abuse i think how long has this been going on uh well i've known for
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eight years but it became more of a thing recently how recently like about about a year now so you
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guys been together for a year uh we're not together well okay hold on do you take him on walks
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does he get little treats yeah i thought that would be funny he's already talked about that yeah so
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um are you dating somebody else no no no no i have so how long how long how long have you been
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single uh about a year maybe a year and a half all right longest relationship uh 12 years was that
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the one that ended a year ago no uh i dated someone when i started dating when i was 10 years old
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i'm gonna quit till my early 20s how old were they they're also 11 11 and that was the 12-year
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relationship okay uh who broke up with who in the 12-year relationship um he admitted something
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openly that like he had gotten raped and then couldn't you gotta say essay man oh essay sorry
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essay uh that he got essayed and then he kind of ghosted me i think he was just ashamed of the fact
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that he was violated okay your relationship that ended a year ago how long was that one um that was
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a year all right who broke up with who um he just got arrested and it ended from there
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arrested for what he tried to strangle me within five times with one night was it consensual no no
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no i was running i ran to the next door neighbor i was running away from him uh was this the first
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time he tried to hurt you no okay that was second not the second it was just that's done
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uh right were you guys having an argument or no he got he was drunk he got mad about pizza i put the
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he ordered pizza and then he fasted out and i put it in the fridge and he got mad that i put it in the
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fridge started just freaking out on me and screaming on me mental illness okay why are you so attracted to
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mentally ill men abusive men i don't know i don't know i can't i can't i've never actually had a deep
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conversation with myself the childhood trauma perhaps yeah probably the current uh the current
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a guy that you're not seeing but lives in your house and you pay all of his bills uh do you have
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a carnal relationship with this gentleman like what what kind of relationship sexual is it a sexual
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relationship um no i really haven't had much sex in like a year i would say it has been like twice and
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then i just know it's not sexual anymore wait you've had sex with him twice yeah yeah in the very
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beginning and then i just i just can't have sex with him anymore how often does he sleep on your
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floor every night oh every night he comes over and sleeps oh he lives he doesn't he doesn't leave my
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house does he do your chores yes can you just break down like everything he does for you um holds my
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jacket if i have girlfriends he holds their jackets and purses if i need him to walk to the grocery store
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he will if i get sick he'll take care of me if he gets sick i take care of him um um yeah everything
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any any house tour any done he'll get done for me okay he just doesn't drive does he wear anything
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is he is he older than you yeah he's 30. yeah okay so um the couple a couple of quick questions um
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i'm just curious about when when if you think about what is mentally stable right or somebody who's not
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mentally ill would would you see it as a sign of perhaps abnormality a man who is willing to sleep
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on the ground in a dog bed and be ordered about by a person who owned the place to the point where
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they would stand there as a coat rack or uh have endless demands put on them which are essentially
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dehumanizing uh what is what is that will you repeat that first part of the sentence um please
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yeah would you consider that mentally stable graffito tagged donated 200 girls do men expect
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extremely kinky slash weird stuff in bed due to corn becoming more extreme can you give examples
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have you ever had to break up because a sex actor guy wanted was too crazy for you we'll come right
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back to that graffito go uh go ahead andrew yeah sure i'm just wondering do you consider that to be
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mental mentally stable behavior i i don't think he's mentally stable at all i definitely know he's not
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mentally stable but he's not capable of taking care of himself i've tried to help him get his
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driver's license i've tried to help him get i mean are you are you a psychologist no no i mean so you
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can't you can't make a diagnosis i guess you're right i can't i can't but he doesn't about whether
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or not hang on hang on about whether or not a person can take care of themselves and if even if
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he couldn't and i'll just grant to you that he couldn't wouldn't you then defer that to professionals
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who could assist him so that he could take care of himself rather than exploiting a mentally ill
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person making them sleep on the floor like a dog how is that not monstrous uh i guess i thought
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because it's consensual and he like wants to be next to me all the time i didn't think it was
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is it consensual if a mentally ill person gives consent are they really giving consent he was
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a diagnosis mentally ill so i mean i i don't know i i never thought about this sorry andrew i just want
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to jump in you mentioned before the show that you're a mother how if you have a mentally ill person
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that you acknowledge is mentally ill living in your home how is how are you feel safe with your
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child around him like why are you exposing your child to that my daughter loves him and he's really
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good with my daughter too you just said that he's mentally ill well i i don't know what you guys
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considered mentally ill like he can take care of himself he's good with kids like what dark would
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would bark like dog if requested stands as coat rack for you sleeps on the floor at like a dog is treated
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as a pet by you by your admission i think that a person who would be willing to uh to do that
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sounds like they have some screws loose yeah yeah but he's not like he has a good heart like he's not
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like a bad person i'm not blaming him i don't think he's bad i don't think i don't think that uh the
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person here who's completely unwell is a bad person she asked about my kid and if he was a bad person of
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course he wouldn't be around my kid but he's not a bad person he's actually really good with people
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but what do you do you think that is not sending some sort of message or like teaching your you said
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it was a daughter i believe well he doesn't do that if my kid is there i sure uh co-parent with my
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sister so if he my if my sister like gives me like we share custody um if my daughter's there he
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doesn't do that around my daughter no not only that but do not think that it's confusing your
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daughter to see her mother in a relationship with a man who's a doormat for her instead of
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like a loving monogamous relationship or even not a monogamous relationship like a real partner you
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have a point she kind of like well she kind of go i guess so yeah because she's dominant too like she
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kind of tells him what to do and yeah no that there's a point there yeah because like the father
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figure in your life or at least whoever that is maybe the stepdad the daddy stepped up whatever it
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might be in people's situations i know that for women that really determines a lot about the future
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relationships that they engage in and what they expect for themselves and what they think they
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deserve like shout out to my dad who would warm the car up every single morning before school when
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i was a kid like do you not want better for your daughter than this don't you think you deserve a
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real partner in life who i think i'm just scared of men because i went through a year ago and i've known
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him for eight years so it's easy to be close to someone you're comfortable with then get abused again
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have your thought of conquering that fear and like i don't know cbt therapy or something like that to
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really move past it instead of just having to go to therapy but every time i try to get therapy it
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seems like there's always an issue trying to get a therapist to help with something so i i i've
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definitely reached out to people i've definitely asked for help but like it seems like there's always
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like an insurance problem if i get that fixed there's another issue like well have you thought about
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the idea that uh perhaps you're just a horrible person have you thought have you have you perhaps
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reconciled the fact that uh you could just be a fucking awful person who likes to uh do damage to
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men no no because i've had boyfriends say i'm a wonderful girlfriend like i've had when you make
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them sleep on the floor no they make them act as a coat wrap for your friends so you can demean them
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technically he's not my boyfriend but when i've had boyfriends i've cleaned their dishes took in care of
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their dog walk their dog i've also been the one that takes care of all their stuff while they're
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paying the financial bills and i just sit there and i take care of them you know i think that there's
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an over emphasis often on the idea of therapy therapists and the fact that you need a mental
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mental health professional to come in i think that the first step uh honestly is uh but where's the
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common sense here like uh i don't actually even understand like where's the common sense this guy
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has the right to leave if you make a man sleep on the floor like a dog and then publicly proclaim
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that he's your pet right you might be a horrible person like i don't know why he has the right to
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leave and go anywhere he wants i don't i don't be pale as bills why would he ever leave if you're
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paying all his bills he doesn't really have he's like leeching off of you he's not trapped there
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either but he doesn't have an incentive to leave if you're paying all his bills why would he go
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be broker and homeless or whatever that's what i'm saying if he thought you every night if anybody
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thought i was a horrible person they can always get up and leave my place too but do you see how you
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have incentivized him to stay in this environment he's dependent he's dependent on you he's you've
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incentivized him it's kind of like federal government aid on welfare that you're just getting a consistent
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check or something why would you ever go and get your own job or figure out something else like
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like here i'll show you i'll show you what she's saying right let's yeah let's reverse this for a
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second hang on let's reverse it let's pretend for a second that uh i was on the panel and i said well
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i found a mentally unwell woman who can't take care of herself and she's totally dependent upon me
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at night i make her sleep on the ground right i make her do all sorts of sexual things whenever
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i feel like it right and i treat her like a doormat in front of every woman who comes over not not a
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doormat like oh i'm kind of rude to her but literally make her stand there with her arm extended and then
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me and my friends hang our coats and balance our drinks from her little nose would you would any woman
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hear not say that that was fucking horrific and that i was a monster go ahead i just by a show of
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hands who would say if i said all of that to you that i was a monster show of hands
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yeah yeah okay but somehow the sisterhood can't be bothered to express to this woman that what she's
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doing is fucking monstrous no one's ever said anything to me yeah i'm sure they haven't
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well i guess it's because on twitter like i've seen a lot of stuff about um findum so like what is
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that findum is i don't know specific terms and all that but she's just saying we don't king shame around
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here yeah exactly i was like some people are into that stuff so i just try to like respectfully listen i
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haven't really thought that people are like mentally ill yeah but if it was a man if it was
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a man well you're saying all submissive people are mentally he would be a monster that's basically
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what you're saying is on all people that want to actually be because there's people that pay people
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to be made pay there's people that enjoy that like there's people that dress up in fucking sex
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outfits and clean your house and live there permanently yeah they're mentally unwell they're
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mentally unwell these listen you can't you can't tell me that a guy who demands that you take his
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last dime so that he can come harder is not a mentally unwell man of course they're mentally
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unwell and it's and it's exploiting that mental unwellness and it's like somehow i don't understand
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why women give each other a pass on this why they're not like you sick psychopath why are you
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doing this horrible thing to this guy i i don't i don't actually get it i guess i i can explain that
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we get we some women when we're like doing this shit we get like kind of i don't know our brain
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when society is like oh that's okay then we start doing we get used to doing that stuff it's not
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anybody doesn't tell us it's wrong we're not going to break that pattern of being like oh that that
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doesn't sound right no you know because we kind of get like into this like just as all of society
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kind of brainwashed into shit and we were kind of like don't think that's brainwashing
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yeah but did he ask for this or did you propose the idea he asked for the dog bed he's asked for this
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stuff like i didn't he like sit you down have a conversation with you actually yeah kind of yeah
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a little bit and do you ever see this ending is there an end point in the future yeah i haven't
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thought about that but they're yeah but the the i mean if i if i met somebody that i actually enjoyed
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spending time with that actually like wasn't like wanted to do the equal part like get a have a car and
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they had a good job and yeah i'd be like yeah you know what i i found someone that i actually
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appreciate like they want to put half of the weight into the relationship i probably would
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be like this is not going to work out it seems like from everything that you've said about
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relationships that like relationships to you are just like a financial situation where like if we
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want to go 50 50 provide for him he provides for me but like in my opinion there's so much more like
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especially when it comes to long-term monogamy and having a child already if her dad's not in her
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life having a strong person to help i know being a single mom it's impossible to do everything
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that's amazing that your sister helps out but even being able to spend enough quality time with
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your child while also trying to bring income in i'm only 24 i don't have a daughter but i do have
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friends who have you know children and they have husbands who are very helpful and i can't imagine
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them i don't know what it's like to have a good man so yeah has this started from when you were
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young have you always gone after abusive men or at least men who just weren't up high value up to
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the standard really wanted you for everything that you are and not just the financial aspect yeah yeah it's
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been an issue with starting with my my narcissistic mother to like uh the men she dated yeah so so do
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you see that you're repeating that pattern for your daughter now when you can break the cycle instead
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and choose better um i've started to notice it more recently and it's been very difficult to break
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something that's psychologically ingrained into me i need like that's that's not an overnight healing
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thing that you can just do overnight that is a lot of work to put in well is your daughter not
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worth putting in the work for well yeah she is so then why not start tomorrow kick him out of your
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house you don't have to find a new man but you can put all that energy into your child and you can
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heal and attract somebody who wants you for who you are not just any financial benefits that you can
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offer not for a dog bed for genuinely who you are as a human being you know i actually the last week i've
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been like we've started fighting about stupid and i was like you know i don't know why i'm doing this
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but i've been doing it for a while and it's not enjoyable like it was when it when we were first
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like connected it was just a past relationship and i'm dragging that along with me because i'm
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scared of like fully embracing being in the future and all in the past and i think that's just trauma
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just holding me back from being happy the best advice i ever got no you're not you're not a victim
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here you gotta let go you're the victimizer here you're the victimizer not the victim like every
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time every time i i see this this pattern of when a woman is clearly victimizing man clearly
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victimizing him well it's okay don't give me too much pushback because after all i have former trauma
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it's like that's no excuse i'm sorry you don't you don't you don't get to do horrible things to people
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because horrible things were done to you all of us have had horrible things done to us all of us no
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you're no exception right everybody's had horrible things done to them in life and have to have
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dealt with horrible challenges in life everybody has dealt with horrible challenges yeah right you
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what you're doing right now right you should you should be reflective because um this is this is
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psychotic it's psychotic and horrific and you like you just got to stop right you just got to stop
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doing it it's it's it's horrific yeah but i would say like no one's perfect we can all learn from
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everything and and you know oh yeah yeah that's fine you know just go shoot a guy down the road
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and be like you know no one's perfect you know i got you gotta live and learn you know you're a
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perfect person what do you mean i i wasn't allowed to go shoot that it's like come on yeah but you
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haven't made mistakes you haven't made mistakes you're perfect like you haven't had trauma affect
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your life like you're i just got done telling you that not only have i dealt with all sorts of personal
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baggage trauma all sorts of things right just like everybody else has that is not an excuse for
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me to be a horrible person but you learn i don't i don't get a pass like no one's ever going to be
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like well andrew you being a horrible bastard i'm going to go ahead and give you the pass on that
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because of past trauma but for some reason reflexively women go because horrible thing done to me i was a
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perfect angel until some man corrupted me so therefore doing horrible things to other people is acceptable
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it's not acceptable i was traumatized when a zinn was spitting my cup i'm not spitting in anybody
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else's cup this time i mean you i think i actually just saw you put something in my cup you wish
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uh okay all right all right uh thank you rachel for the soup chat by the way with collagen oh there
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you go there you go okay we have a chat here from lucas uh can you read it deborah yes i also we missed
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that to go back to that one from before whenever nice pb herman response it's patently obvious that
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you're quite the highbrow intellect nevertheless i've been married 22 years plus two kids oh and
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by the way my billing rate is 12 50 an hour so do the math wait are you crying are you crying are you
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crying are you crying because you did horrible fucking things to a person and you finally realized
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that you're doing horrible things to a person no i just you need it you need to cry it's good for you
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to cry that's you know that's called taking responsibility i get that but you gotta understand
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like people aren't fucking purple people make mistakes and we can learn from that you shouldn't
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just be like oh i'm a fucking human being just because i didn't recognize something i can change
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and i can grow oh boo hoo oh you did a horrible thing to a person and you it was pointed out that
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you need to stop being horrible i was doing a fucking horrible thing to somebody accountability
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for the horrible fucking things that you're doing and you you should cry about it because it's
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fucking awful it's awful so you never treated a girl like shit before it no i've never made a
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woman sleep on the ground like a dog and took her from walks and exploited her mental illness it's
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psychotic and you know what he doesn't i don't even know if he has a fucking mental illness so that's
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a fucking assumption he seems on the floor like a dog at his own request he wanted to i didn't ask him
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to fucking do that he wanted to do that that was his choice i told him he could sleep on the
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bed he wanted a guy comes over wants to cut off his arm are you going to be like well it was his
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choice i told him he could sleep on the bed he chose to sleep on the floor how is that my fucking
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fault because you have agency and accountability so does he as an adult he can choose to sleep on
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the floor he can choose to sleep on the bed that's not that doesn't make me a horrible
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fucking person you have a duty an accountable duty because you are mentally well so i if he wants to
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sleep on the floor i should say hey not get up on the bed wait guys get up on the bed get up on the
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bed because that is not fair to me to tell a person how they should be living their life if he wants to
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live on the floor he can live on the floor if he wants to live on the bed he can get up on the bed
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and sleep on the bed i gave him that option but if you didn't play the part of like him being your
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pet would he still do that if you just treat him like normal you being instead of a dog i mean i don't
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i don't know that's what he wants then maybe if you just stop doing that he wouldn't
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find use with you of that anymore well i mean maybe i don't know i just told him he could
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sleep on the bed i never said hey you can do this or you want this he chose to sleep on the floor
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that was yeah well look how quick those fake tears dried up wow cool bro
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someone someone asked the question earlier we didn't get back i like that you invalidate the fact
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that someone actually has emotion because you think that i'm some psycho but yeah you actually
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think you're some god right like you think you're the best dog i don't think i'm a god i think i but
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but here's the thing right it's like what it's not godly it's not it's not me
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well are you god to tell you to stop being a horrific human being and putting a man on the floor
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or putting him on the floor treating him i didn't put him on the effing floor and they made that very
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clear i gave the option to sleep on the bed i gave him that option i didn't say hey go sleep on the
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floor i didn't tell him to sleep on the floor he has the option to sleep on the bed he chose to do
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that so he has every right to do that or he has every right to sleep on the bed he has a 30 year old
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man he can do whatever the he wants to do i just i gave him the option no responsibility no
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accountability no duty what's what do you want me to grab him by his arms and put him on my effing
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bed no i don't know i'm not controlling how about what he does can you get him some help i i don't
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know how i'm not in control of a 30 year old you don't have to be in control he can go he can go to
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anything to get the resources if this if you're in charge to the point where you can treat him like
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a coat rack and hang your jacket on him you think you can't take him you think if you say hey boy
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come on and get in the car because i'm going to take you over to the clinic so that they can get
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you mentally evaluated he's not going to go with you you just don't have any duty here you have no
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i mean i've taken him to get an obama phone i he's got an obama phone i've taken him to get food stamps
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i've put in the time to actually take care of this person and make sure they're trying to get steps
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towards going somewhere else because you get because you get off on torturing him no i don't yeah you do
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otherwise you wouldn't make him stand as a coat rack and hang your coats i don't necessarily
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offers to take people's coats like he offers to actually help out
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i mean this the story kind of changes by the second so that you could make it sound like it's
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less horrible than what it is you have a duty you have a responsibility you're crying because
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the first time anybody's ever told you that how did you get through life how did you get this far
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in life without somebody telling you that you're not allowed to do that to people
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because maybe you're making it seem bad worse than it actually is yeah whatever yeah maybe you're
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making it try to seem like it's not as bad as it actually is because that's another form of validation
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look at me okay all righty then okay well we have going to uh unless sandra did you have more
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you shit on me for crying when you say it's not okay for me yeah good good i'll show you you know
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i'm not shitting on you for crying right you said are you are you really crying right now
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absolutely you said i should fucking cry so what make up your goddamn mind good good cry good yeah
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i fucking will cry you need to what you're doing is horrific good cry about it cry more
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what the fuck you say that i'm the fucking beautiful one you're telling me to fucking go
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cry like yeah but you want to be my dom why don't you fucking be my dom while you're at it tell me
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what the fuck you do tell me when i should go to the fucking bathroom you want to be your dom andrew
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she she's looking for it she's switching roles she was the sub she or no she was the dom now she
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wants to be a sub andrew's a married man just letting you know so he's probably not available he's
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not available i'm as his representative as his agent as his pr person he's not available to dom
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you i'm sorry i don't want that but i'm just saying he's telling me what to do he's a very good
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so it sounds like you want to be my dad you would be a good dom tell me to cry you would be what's
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happening right now yes what's happening let's go back to the question ultimately i'm a i'm a very
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i'm very much a very kind man and what you're doing is the kind of you sound like a very
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kind man in the mustache yeah well yeah that's right because because here the actual victim
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the actual victim who's not you is who you should be crying for not for you
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next question anyways uh that was a that was that was an exchange that happened uh so okay we have
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graffito tagged he asked like three questions um i'll pull it back up
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up i think we can only do two hundred dollars girls do men expect extremely kinky slash weird
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stuff in bed due to corn becoming more extreme can you give examples have you ever had to break up
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because a sex act a guy wanted was too crazy for you anybody anybody
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i think threesome's a little bit crazy like my ex would be like oh you want to do a threesome
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i'm like no that's disgusting to me by the way guys just reminder for the i mean i know we don't
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always like really disclose this but typically we just do one question per message it gets complicated
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if there's like three different questions um i just to be fair to you graffito has a guy how about
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this has a guy ever like asked you to do something that you just were like nah and you think maybe it's
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because he was like a porn degen i had a guy ask me to shit in his mouth one time that's disgusting
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i couldn't do it oh no what if he paid you to do it no then like no like a mil no you want to do for
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a mil no 10 i'd be too shy i'd be on someone's money dude no that's like health that's like
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my gosh yeah all right all right graffito tag there you go you got what you wanted severely
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sick by doing that was it a white guy is it peeing on people actually he was french like european so
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oh no don't bring up and the mouse not the french people ask you in person like no no he messaged
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me but then he asked me also what i ate that day oh my god this this man had mental illness for sure
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oh yeah but i didn't do it i just yeah um all right lucas he says oh boy all right lucas uh what a vile
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dog shit okay that's crazy you know what i can't read that that first part you know what my ancestors
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and ancients are you greek lucas um would do to useless damn chill out lucas bro uh not sure if the
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tts is appropriate you think bro i can't read the rest i'm sorry bro but uh all right thank you lucas
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i appreciate the the messages uh relationship status um in a relationship how long you've been
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together uh six months or so all right longest relationship nine years all right any kids no
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ever married no engaged planned a whole wedding but it was canceled i see the nine-year relationship
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who broke up with who um i guess he would say me you broke up with him all right the six-month
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relationship how do y'all meet oh we met at the jalopy theater in 2010 actually so we've kept in touch
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all right okay deborah's not here unfortunately so we're gonna have to get into
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uh while we do oh let's do a quick twitch shout out then we'll get into so we got some juicy
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drop us a prime sub if you check if you have a prime sub available boys yo jelly thank you for the uh
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follow appreciate it and the prime thank you so much man appreciate it that's twitch.tv slash whatever
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while i get into my pre-show notes we'll wait for deborah to get her uh get into the relationship
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status so we have emily that's you yeah uh you found out your ex cheated on you so you made a fake
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snapchat account to ask the girls about it you got her facetime so this is the previous ex then you
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guys are you guys still friends or were friends i don't know um yeah the ex that cheated on me how did
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he cheat on you like he fucked her or so he was like can i say like incriminating stuff on here he
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his job was basically to do like drop off yeah so i it wouldn't be like random behavior for him to
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like be waiting at a park or outside of a neighborhood for a little bit wait how long
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were you dating this guy um i think for a year how soon into the relationship did you know he was a drug
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dealer like immediately because he wasn't always like it was something kind of oh he started yeah
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okay was he involved in other kinds of illicit conduct like i don't know uh scamming people
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or anything no just like that that one kind of drugs was he selling not too much now um i can't be
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saying all that what was he selling but he was he was just the the driver he would just use the mule
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that's it he was in possession of the drugs and he would drop it somewhere mm-hmm but okay what was
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he blow cocaine yeah okay anything else um meth i didn't really ask too much it's safe to assume it's
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yeah um and how soon into the relationship did you like did he talk to you about this yeah we would
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watch like power and stuff together he was like all about that scar face life like yeah this wasn't so
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wait uh you said it was six months into the one-year relationship that i found out he was cheating
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no that you found out he was selling drugs oh well both yeah both okay that wasn't an issue for you
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that the drug dealing uh no as long as i wasn't involved in it you and he was like safe with what
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he was doing it's just kind of not my business it was like what he was doing with his brother so
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that's like family business i was like whatever how can you find both of those things out at the same
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time was he a white guy what was his race just curious hispanic hispanic okay um um just because
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it was it was just kind of coincidence like i was going through his facebook and his spotify like
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the social media is that you would i guess least think to check um and then i don't know i guess
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woman's intuition i had a feeling that the house that he was at wasn't just no drop off he was doing
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yeah i can't even make this up to you i don't understand this like woman's intuition thing like
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if you guys had such good intuition why do you constantly date terrible well he wasn't a cheater
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then i don't know i guess but wouldn't like the the you have this intuition about them cheating
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why didn't the intuition tell you earlier that this was a cheater maybe he wasn't a cheater then
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but then i don't know maybe he lost feelings maybe i was crazy and it drove him away well you're
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definitely crazy but yeah uh wait so hold on uh is that not a red flag ladies
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which part the drug dealing your intuition doesn't just tell you like you've been dating a guy for six
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months and he's like by the way babe i'm selling cocaine and meth and heroin i was not a red flag
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he don't like it because he's getting he's getting money do you like it no your boy she's laughing
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question for you two you've been in a four-year relationship how long four years four years four
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years your boyfriend comes to you tonight after the podcast and says babe i am currently a meth
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any this is breaking bad he he also makes the meth makes the meth sells the meth also has cancer
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do you just kidding about the last part almost like what lung cancer uh do you stay with him
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or do you dump him i feel like for him to be lying that long would be like such a huge no he just
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started it like three months ago he hid he hid it from you but he he's coming clean now he has a bunch
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of money and he's i don't know it's still a red flag but do you stay with him i don't know i have to be
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in the situation you're in the situation i actually know your current boyfriend he's currently
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cooking you're in the situation right now um is he your dealer brian tell me right now let me find
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out but what what's your like knee-jerk reaction do you stay with him i don't know i need to talk to
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this with my mom and be like he's been lying to me this whole time i think the meth and heroin
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would be a deal breaker for me other drugs would be okay but the meth and heroin draw the line okay
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i would stand by mine to be honest i mean i would talk to him though i would be like stop
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andrew i'd be like stop you know would this not would this be like a lack of loyalty if a girl
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dumped a guy exactly yeah i'm like get that money you don't get locked up or i don't get locked up
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like get that money baby we'll keep it on the low for a little bit and then you stop well do you guys
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remember a story of that woman like i i'm gonna look like a bad political commentator for forgetting
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her name but there was like pictures of her all over maryland when i was in college there whose
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boyfriend was a drug dealer and the police came and raided her house and she got shot anybody who
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knows anything about politics i know the story i'm blanking something there was a whole protest in
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maryland but she got shot killed in the shooting between the police trying to kill her boyfriend who
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was a violent drug dealer and um brianna taylor brianna taylor and there was pictures her boyfriend was a
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drug dealer she knew she was living in the house with him the cops came in i believe either him or
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somebody in the house fired the cops the cops fired back she was killed in the cross damn mr baseman
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donated two hundred dollars thank you man andrew thank you and god bless you for confronting evil
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with truth please give this woman a specific call to action to stop this behavior apologize to this guy
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and get him mental help repent yo mr baseman thank you for the tts do you want to respond
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to that or i don't know into the mic if you are it's already in the works all right uh deborah your
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relationship status i am single all right my last relationship ended in may and looking for a nice
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jewish man all right cool uh longest relationship a little bit under two years two years who broke up
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with who it was a pretty mutual situation he was not mentally well and you made him sleep at the uh
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on the floor no at the edge of the bed once when we had a twin bed he fell off but aside from that um
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no he just wasn't really in a mentally healthy place and to me i didn't think it was fair to continue to
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try and like drag a guy along i want a man who is extremely self-sufficient and a leader and not a
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case that i have to take care of uh and i mean you're fairly successful in your own right when it
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comes to your career uh so do you need i assume you need like a guy to kind of match you or exceed
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question mark yeah i was like waiting to see where that was going um it's funny because a lot of people
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who try setting me up they're like i have this guy he's super obsessed with politics i'm like
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that's what i do i don't need a match who's like obsessed with politics or does the same thing but
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the biggest thing for me is my career is i'm very passionate about it it's not only my career it's my
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passion i love every second of what i do truly and a person who's not passionate is extremely
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unattractive to me so they can have a corporate job doing what they have to do but then as long as
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they have some passion and something that they genuinely love and care about that's a good place to
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start but i do i'm learning as i get older i need somebody who's incredibly intelligent because
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being intellectually stimulated for me i need that in a relationship i could not marry somebody that i
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can't have deep theological conversations with or talk about law or talk about things so to i just keep
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making the and i'm five foot nine so those circles a little bit small i'm not sapiosexual because so i'm
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completely attracted to what does that mean sapiosexual sapiosexual it means you're it means
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you're attracted to men that are intelligent or intelligence in general i think it's just good
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taste have you iq tested any of your previous like boyfriends or anything no well the last one
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like the only one he was smart but he was like had like um have you ever dated a guy who like when
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he's reading he's reading a book he has to like follow with his finger oh no you know them yeah yeah
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i haven't dated one of those i think i don't think i would sometimes i do that on menus i can't lie
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on menus i just got to make sure the ingredients are for which dish you know yep um but so uh
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would you date a guy who you said you got to date a guy who's passionate right would you date a guy
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who's passionate about anarcho-capitalism in girl language please
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uh aren't you you uh you don't you have a degree in political science yeah we did not learn about
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anarcho-capitalism yeah anarcho anarcho-capitalism it's like it's the idea of of let's say fair
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capitalism i believe it's like kind of liberty not it's not libertarian but it's like it is
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libertarian well but it's different than libertarian though no i mean it's it's a pinnacle of most
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libertarian beliefs uh some sort of anarcho-capitalism the idea that the market is never regulated or
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restrained uh because goods will reduce in pricing if you don't do that so when you date somebody who's
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passionate about anarcho-capitalism i mean that just sounds like a weirdo honestly um i was thinking
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more like cars or music or what if they're really passionate about his own business harris 2028 um i
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unfortunately don't think that would work because i only date um men who are masculine and i've never
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heard of a masculine man who voted for camel toe what about like arnold schwarzenegger though he uh
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camelot got the endorsement like would you date like young arnold and would he still be a kamala
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supporter get to the chat yeah i would never did anybody who voted for kamala harris or joe biden
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for that matter because i think it means they have horrible judgment yes they do and i also
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think that to have a strong they have a common sense basically you need to have ideological
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similarities and have the same values you forgot your hat this matches my top perfect thank you
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i needed this would you guys who here would date a trump supporter going around the table
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um i don't i would not i don't mind is your boyfriend uh i'm not he doesn't have is he maga okay
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yes i would yeah is your boyfriend maga or not really could i have you just scoot your mic that
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way a little bit what about you would you date a trump supporter um i'm not too into politics so so
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yes i guess if he doesn't inflict his views on me he doesn't flex he inflicts there's a lot of
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inflection we don't need no controlling partner yeah okay all right what about you 100 100 okay did
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you vote for um kanye or who do you vote for you seem like a kanye voter no i'm a hundred percent
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i love trump all the way yeah thanks sir uh what about you are you a trumpy or i don't know i'm like
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a libertarian i'm i'm dating someone that's very very very you're an anarcho-capitalist i guess so
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you're dating somebody who's very what liberal you're like wait you're dating why would you do that
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it's just you know we met in 2010 he yeah you go right into the mic right in the mic yeah you're a
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little quiet so we need you like right on the mic sorry yeah i don't know all we all he does is
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talk about politics to be honest so i kind of keep quiet oh based okay there you go did you vote did
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you vote too or i wasn't registered i just moved to california oh okay all right all right um which is
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also fine you didn't you didn't vote right i didn't so if you so yeah so if you didn't vote then
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you didn't nullify the vote of any of the good trump supporters so i mean did good you did good
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thing all right and uh so in any case uh i've been single for six months uh any prospects though are
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any guys kind of in the picture oh for me yeah for you deborah honestly no i mean there may be people
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that i know that i think are whatever you said before that i think could be good men but i'm a big
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believer and i don't know if it's just me this might be like a popular thing but i don't really
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waste my time and unless like the person i'm meant to be with is a very specific kind of person that
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wouldn't just fit any box they would fit my box and i can usually tell that even before i go on a
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date with them so unless they're really somebody truly special that i can really see myself
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marrying and building a life with like i'm i'm really only dating for that okay um would you date matt
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gates absolutely not are there any are there any politicians why why not why wouldn't you date matt
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gates is he well he's married yeah that's first off okay um just i don't know who you got you got
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you got like your eye on anybody or in like you know in the political sphere well being jew that's
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another thing like i can only marry somebody who's jewish and i wish there was more you know conservative
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jews that's in judaism you can only marry another jew it's just like part of judaism well i mean it
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depends if is it religious are you saying it's from the religious perspective or from the ethnic
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perspective because my understanding is from the ethnic perspective it is from the ethnic
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jewish women are the most likely in fact to uh marry outside of uh of other jews well there has been
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the biggest thing is that the majority of jews are reform which means that they don't observe much
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of judaism they're jewish ethnically but it's a race religion ethnicity everything so for me i i was
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raised modern orthodox which is pretty religious i yep you know love shabbat kosher everything like
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that so you're so you're practicing yes i'm pretty religious so therefore i need a husband who can
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wrap to fill in every morning take the kids to yeshiva would you ever convert to christianity i
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would never i love being so you wouldn't date so you wouldn't date uh any christians then i wouldn't
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date them to marry them but i do have a soft spot in my heart for christian men i love them i don't know
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why they're just really like tall around with them but you wouldn't marry one well wait what was the
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question you'd like mess around with one but you wouldn't know like maybe i'd flirt with one here
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and there but i wouldn't like seriously date them because again for me it's about marriage and i'm
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sure being busy a lot of guys experiences and women too but i have so much going on at all times
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that for me the time that i have to put towards somebody else i want to make sure that they're really
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worth it and i just i it's pretty easy for me to tell right away within like the first even few
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minutes of meeting somebody if i would ever want to date them because i'm not looking for a man i'm
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looking for a husband a leader provider in not just a financial sense but like in every sense of like
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a true biblical man and he hasn't come around there's not a lot of um like the the idea here of
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of practicing practice even practicing orthodox views are mostly progressives in the united states
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yeah it's about two to three percent who are orthodox modern orthodox with about 98 being
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liberal it makes it even yeah yeah i yeah i understand that now you have a dual citizenship
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you thought about an israeli husband i do not have dual citizenship i don't know why you would think
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that i did i'm sorry i thought i'd read that in the last super chat that you had dual citizenship oh
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well that's probably a troll a lot of people love to say because i'm jewish and american that i
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have dual loyalties to israel but i am only an american citizen um i only have his american
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citizenship but i do love israeli men i'm sorry i wasn't trying to make an i don't think it was
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a nefarious question i think you just read whatever but i do love israeli men i think
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they're great i would marry an israeli absolutely okay all right and uh let's see here we do have a
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chat from lucas what weirdo literally uh javier melee calls himself an anarcho-capitalist often
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attributed to austrian school of economics murray and roth roth bard but dudes like michael malice
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dave smith love the concept i debated dave smith on piers morgan's show if that's the representation
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of anarcho-capitalism then i very much would never date somebody because everything he said he was
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like the iranian people they hate israel like the iranian people have been oppressed by an islamic
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regime women can't talk anymore they were on the beaches 40 years ago the iranian people do not support
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jihad they want freedom and he's like oh yeah you're probably right we can't we can't dive in
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uh to this topic no i'm not diving in i'm just was giving the example of dave just completely
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switching his opinion in that moment um but i do know dave smith uh pretty well i've debated with him
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myself uh this was christian ethics versus libertarianism um i you are you saying you beat
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dave smith in a debate no it wasn't a beat i said that was a representation of an anarcho-capitalist
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then absolutely not i wouldn't date them because it seems that they don't really have a backbone but
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bless his heart yeah i mean he's a real smart guy as far as i know all right cool uh we have a chat
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here from the great stifler ask everyone we have to you know what we're going to wait until uh we have
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the full panel here so we'll come right back to that one but getting back into some of the notes i'm going
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to try to finish the notes then we'll get into the questionnaires so uh let's see we have gina
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gina yeah uh you've only dated two men in your entire life yeah we went over that um you're super
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territorial and jealous wait what right just super territorial and jealous no no no no oh the men were
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yeah the men you dated yeah like my yeah yeah my my ex i guess i see wait we should play prank on your
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friend you take her seat and then she i just want you want to take her seat really i'm just curious
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me yeah like take her seat why i don't know just do it do a little switcheroo okay uh you also said
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modern dating is not really your cup of tea like meeting people online or through messages is kind
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of weird granted you've been in two kind of back-to-back yeah long-term relationships right
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so let's see uh you also like you you wanted to speak on hookup culture you had opinions on only
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fans opinions on sneaky links lol if you can just scoot to the table a little more but yeah go ahead
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so what's the question like oh i mean so your opinion on only fans is anybody wait you're the
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only one that does of right i don't actually do i just post pictures you're too far just reminder you
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you gotta you gotta be i don't post anything to the table you gotta speak into the mic um nobody
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else here does only fans no i do something called sex panther ever ever ever okay you do sex work
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though right yeah yeah okay um what's your opinion on only fans oh no you you guys asked me like what
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type of topics that's like the topics i chose i don't really have tilt the mic down just a little
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bit yeah i don't really have any like opinions i just wanted to like you know that was just like
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a topic i threw up there okay uh all right then i guess moving on to cali cali over here uh
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you're we already talked about the professional hot girl shapeshifter uh you said you've practiced
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non-monogamy for years you have lots of unique dating experiences and stories more so recently
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since being separated and dating as single instead of married uh you experience men trying to jump
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right into a relationship with you after even the first or second date and and you think that this
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is really strange i do have a question for you on this um so what would you prefer then
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like they just keep you in the situation ship for six months while fucking three other women
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i mean i like taking the time to get to know someone especially because i have a child
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in the picture i feel like it's really important for me to fully vet someone before
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investing myself in them and my daughter's life um so it's really important to me to take my time to
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get to know someone and i think it's weird if they just want to like jump right into a relationship
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with me because it just seems like they just want to own me they don't really care about getting to
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know me they don't care about knowing if we're compatible i don't know what they bring to the
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table for me and my daughter so can you just tilt your mic down just a bit so um but wouldn't this be
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difficult to begin with because you're polyamorous right so i mean that's kind of off the table right
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what do you mean well i mean like they want to be um well i guess they could jump right into a
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polyamorous relationship with you right right but i mean i'm not totally sure like
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what is the difference between dating somebody and being in a poly like like just what's the
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what changes once you become in a relationship you know there's boundaries and expectations like
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any relationship only difference is you have that to multiple yeah but i could have boundaries
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on the second date with somebody when have you ever done that i do it all the time how give me
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examples what do you mean i just say things things like okay i don't want you to date other people
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right on the second date yeah yeah sure even on the first date even before i meet them
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well i know this is funny to you because uh okay i'm not gonna well i know this is funny to you but
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uh yeah that's really interesting why is that interesting i mean i just i disagree um sure that's
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fine you know i have um a child in the picture and i learned a lot from my previous marriage um what i
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don't want in a partner and i want to make sure that doesn't happen to me again sure um and i feel like
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you know maybe the problem with that was um you know we rushed right into a relationship without
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really taking the time to get to know each other um and i regret that you know i love my daughter i
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don't regret her for one second she's one of the best things that's ever happened to me but um yeah
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i really want to take my time getting to know people and i also i feel like i just have a very
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relaxed approach to dating like i'm like i'm down to get to know you and see where it goes um
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but yeah uh yeah i'll give you a quick example though at least for me so if i got on a first
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date with a girl for example and i'm interested in pursuing her like an immediate boundary i'd put
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down is if you want a second date there can't be other men in the picture you gotta have no roster
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right basically how do you know that from the first date well i mean i would even before meeting her
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i might like i might ask are there other men in the picture are you dating other men and if there
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are i'm very unlikely to even go on the date well that's interesting why is that i mean i'm just i'm
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not monogamous and i haven't ever been so i guess i don't really understand but what's it's just not
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how my brain works well i mean i know it's not what you do but like certainly you could understand that
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for example for somebody who's inclined towards monogamy uh the idea of for example having sex with
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somebody while they're having sex with someone else might be disgusting
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yeah for me i mean you know everyone's entitled to their opinion well i don't think it's opinion i
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actually do think it's a fact for two people to be simultaneous like it's like a standard in insofar
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as like the std risk i mean stds are disgusting yeah so i mean that's actually like a boundary of
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mine is i don't hook up with someone or i'm not you know sexually involved with them unless we've
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both been tested and they show that to me so that was always parameters that's always been your
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standard that's always been the case you've never had a spontaneous sexual encounter no you've never
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had a no not not since you know i mean the past five years into now okay what about before then i
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mean when i was younger you've had spontaneous sexual encounters that did not it was it was
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different let's go get an std test but you have had them right i'm not it's not a knock people do it
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all the time but you have had spontaneous yeah but like we're talking about right now so i'm not
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really sure why that matters sure well i'm happy to engage with you even when it comes to your
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current standard um so even if you have an std test there could be a false negative there could
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be a false positive certain things might not come up on the std test also most people aren't taking
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full panel std tests they might do like gonorrhea chlamydia i'm aware huh i'm aware yeah like they're
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not really like i'm pretty sure like if you go to your doctor like hey can i get an std test they're not
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checking for hpv they're not checking for herpes sometimes these things don't even show up on the
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std test frankly like the stds you ought to be concerned about are the permanent ones hpv
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uh herpes hsv so um these are not typically tested for although like chlamydia and gonorrhea that would
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suck to get i mean these are treatable they're curable that's typically what they're testing for
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they're typically not going to test for like really the major one which is like going to be herpes
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i mean i agree with you hpv is the one that causes cervical cervical cancer in women i know a lot of
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women get the uh the the jab for that one but um it still doesn't necessarily it it reduces your risk
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of getting cervical cancer uh but in in any case um i'm not sure if like the the std test is going to
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be like a hundred full proof plan for protecting you from stds and if you're like engaging in sexual
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conduct with like multiple multiple people it like does increase your risk of std so that's why
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it's disgusting just use condoms yeah i mean well if you ask someone to get a test and a full panel
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which i'm full aware of i mean i'm not disagreeing with what you're saying yeah you know like most
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panels that people to get don't include that unless you specifically ask for it it's a blood test of
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course it's different i'm aware of that i'm not disagreeing with you but um yeah i mean you know and
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use protection on top of that so i mean even if you use protection though like i mean herpes the big
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one like it can be on other parts of the pubic private area yeah i mean my mom has it and my best
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friend has it so i'm very aware of what it is and you know yeah indications and how it's transmissed
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and how it affects people in their life something i'm very aware of so i practice safe sex always how
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can you i mean when it comes to herpes how can you practice safe sex you ask for a test you know
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i know but like wearing a condom is not going to prevent you from getting herpes so if they have
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a rash you would be able to see that you know and it could be uh pre-symptomatic or in their mouth
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i mean it's more likely to be transmissed if they have that's why i don't suck rash it's disgusting
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yeah yeah but like in i mean i'm not really sure why my sex life is interesting to you
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can we talk about something else i mean it's can you stop sexualizing me how am i sexualizing
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you asking about my sex life how would that be sexualizing you you're on the dating podcast to
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talk about dating related topics i said i'm happy to talk about other things this just seems like
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a weird topic how's it how's a weird topic i just feel like this is really what you want to talk about
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you know i've said my stance you just i am okay then go ahead keep talking anything else you'd like to
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i mean you were so you were asking me the the genesis of this conversation was you asked me
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hey uh this is not how i operate in my relationships and then i was like giving you an
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example of oh it's a wrap i don't like if i you want a second date with me you can't be seeing other
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men and one of the reasons for this and i have a couple reasons but one of the main reasons is uh if
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she's sleeping with another guy there's a higher risk of getting an std and it's even if even if
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she's sleeping with a man she doesn't have an std he doesn't have an std it's still the thought of
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it is disgusting i mean you're entitled to your opinion well again i don't think it's an opinion
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i just think it's fact like the idea of another man's semen being inside her and then i'm that's
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disgusting it's a really weird way to look at it buddy i mean how why is it weird i mean she's your
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object you own her after did i say that with her no but i mean it's like implying that okay she's
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mine i want to be the only penis yes yes yes yes same thing if you want to call that controlling that
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i don't want my girl like the girl i'm dating i don't want her to other men if you want to call
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that controlling then i'm controlling like i personally wouldn't want my boyfriend
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that's your opinion you asked my how's that controlling how's that controlling though i don't
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understand that's my opinion to me and the way i live my life is different and that's okay
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we can agree to disagree baby girl that person is gross too i think it's gross too see there we go
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cosine from a woman yeah because i would hate for my boyfriend to be fucking random bitches raw and
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then coming home and fucking me and that's disgusting i don't want to take somebody else
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and then in me afterwards like the fuck sorry this is i just can't do that um okay i'm monogamous
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count underscore matthew underscore to underscore underscore to a donated two hundred dollars
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shalom shalom deborah i love you brian andrew i stand in battle with you to the worst i rebuke you
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in the name of the god of abraham isaac and jacob search no law is higher than truth good night
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yo uh count matthew thank you for the uh tts man really appreciate it yeah i wasn't trying to attack
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you but you were just asking like why i might even after a first date already start being like
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don't want you seeing other men that's one of the reasons and also i want a woman's uh
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exclusive romantic and sexual attention immediately like as soon as possible i think that's how dating
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should always be personally i think it's the best way and i've said this my whole life my
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last relationship we started officially dating after two weeks after we met and i think that's
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and that we only broke up a few months later because in that time we really got to know each
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other see if it was compatible or not really give it a best shot to see if we could fall in love and
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ultimately decided it just wasn't a perfect match and i think modern day where you're dating a bunch of
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people and you're having all these partners and you just really don't give that opportunity to see if
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you can really fall in love that leads to a lot of premature breakups or problems and personally
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not even sex i would never like i don't like going out with people who are going out with other
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people because yeah it's just a sign of lack of seriousness if you have five people on your list
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you're not giving that same level of attention and while i totally agree it's so important to like
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really who your partner is going to be who your husband's going to be is like the most important
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decision a woman can make in her whole life nobody should take that lightly like we should definitely
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all do expert research find out if they're just for sure make sure they don't want to bark like a
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dog first off but aside from that i really i understand that but i also think for me as a
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monogamous person that just icks me out too like why would i want to go out with somebody who's taking
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20 other girls out he clearly doesn't care that much about me and i know a lot of girls who go on
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like multiple dates in one day and i always say to them like how can you even really give your full
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energy attention and really think about what do i like about this guy because you know if one little
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thing doesn't go right instead of really thinking like oh maybe it was a weird fluke or maybe i have
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to learn more about this you're like whatever i have another date later today so i wish everybody
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would be monogamous i think hinge and social media and all these dating apps have encouraged people to
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not be monogamous they've done the opposite effect where people think they have unlimited options they
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can just swipe through oh my girlfriend dummy that's fine i can literally get any random girl to have
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sex with off my phone i don't even have to leave my house i can uber her over here and i think it's one of
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the worst things to ever happen to modern relationships and the marriage rates and the
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level of children and everything like that has reflected that that is truth and i mean and the
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cities rates goes up hold up but so and i mean that's a that's a great point deborah and this was
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pretty much the standard up until about maybe like 20 years ago i think this is how most people
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moved it was like okay you kind of date one person at a time if it works great if it doesn't
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next one now people are like yeah i mean now people are uh you know well what about
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having platonic friends like how's that how's that relevant to the conversation it's not well
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if it's not romantic like you said that a woman shouldn't have any any guys in their life is i
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didn't say that okay well but i mean it is a separate conversation i typically would prefer a woman to
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not have a bunch of male friends yeah um well i don't think it's necessarily a deal breaker but
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i mean obviously she cannot be like friends with her ex-boyfriend you have to be like uh what's
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what's the term like uh no contact no contact with with like prior sexual partners okay yeah that is
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but what about if she has like a baby daddy and the guy's okay dating her but they can't really connect
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cut that core but they don't really want to be like close to the baby daddy can you speak straight
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into the mic they don't want to be close to baby daddy but they they still have to have that connection
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due to a well i mean yeah in that case you're forced but i mean uh i think where's the boundary
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doesn't mean brian married her uh i mean i i think there are like typically generally there's there are
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like women who are single moms who are fantastic or whatever who would make good partners but
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generally speaking i think if you're a single guy you don't have children i do think it's going to be a
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sub-optimal dating choice if you have other options to date a single mom but look there's uh
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single moms out there who are wonderful but oftentimes a lot of men have reported to me
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and my own experiences uh typically these are these relationships are a little more difficult
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there's other concerns there the like you said the you have to like consider okay what are they
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well and single moms say it too right brian i mean single moms themselves report that these are these
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are tougher relationships right and that the recommendation uh that if you're going to get
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into something like that it's going to be it's it's going to be tough right yeah it's going to be
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tough i mean uh both sides know that that's the case yeah anytime children are involved i think it
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just makes it adds an extra layer there yeah of course someone said it's like dating two people but
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not actually dating a child it's just like getting to know two different people and do different
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personalities and yeah um but uh yeah i mean if uh if i'm interested in a girl i mean obviously the context in
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which we meet is gonna matter but i mean i would probably like vet them before i even go on the
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first date to see if it's even worth my time like i know it's maybe some people are like oh kind of
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whimsical about it they don't really care i'll go on this date whatever for me i will actually do
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quite a bit of vetting before i even want to meet up with them i'm gonna ask them a bunch of questions
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some people might think oh this is like autistic or whatever but whatever i don't care like i'm just
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gonna maximize my time i'm i it's not worth it for me to go on a date with somebody and then get
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on the date and it's like oh okay well our values are totally mismatched here i'm say i'm gonna save
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you time save myself time by figuring these things out before we even meet in person um if she's like
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dating three other men even if she's not having sex with them not interested if she's having sex with
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one guy not interested total deal deal breaker just goodbye i have a question for you where do you
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meet most of these women because i think it matters if it's somebody that you're meeting either
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online or a random person versus like being set up by somebody that you have mutual friends with and
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stuff like you can already know like where do you meet the most honestly when everybody decides the
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relationship girls to answer that like where do you meet girls brian uh well so there's like there's uh
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we're putting brian on the spot today i mean there's post podcast pre-podcast uh and i mean a lot
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of my experiences have been informed by my like pre-podcast dating experiences where like i was
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on dating apps and all this stuff and i remember one time for example i was on a date with this girl
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and i met her on hinge she had just downloaded the app and then it was like within a week i was
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on a date with her and she told me oh yeah i've already been on three dates i'm dating and i have
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like five dates scheduled for next week i'm like okay thank you for telling me that it was nice meeting
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you but not interested um so i've had a lot of experiences there uh post podcast it's mostly
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been women contacting me that's like a way superior position to like if somebody's trying to get at you
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it's just like a much better position to be in so yeah that's probably most not most men's experiences
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but um in that situation it's actually exceptionally easily easy to vet and like you can basically bust out
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the girlfriend application and be like answer this i don't there's not there's not a girlfriend
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application but it's like if somebody's coming to you you can be like really selective and be like
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okay let me ask you like a million questions and so forth but if you're on a dating app aren't you like
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expected for all the women on there to have like a whole roster basically because that's what it's for
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yeah i mean if you're on the dating app definitely you have to have like most of the women on there
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probably are dating multiple men yeah there's a good chance they're probably fucking at least one
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other dude uh i was on the dating apps for a while uh so yeah yep so i hate dating apps i don't like
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them it's hard for me to like kind of speak on this but i mean i think you there are good women on on
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the dating apps but it's like you got to kind of shift through it's like diamonds in the rough or
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whatever well i said you wouldn't date a woman who has like multiple dates yeah but that's kind
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of like what it what the app is for to get like multiple dates well i mean you can be on the dating
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apps and like not trying to like squeeze in seven days a week there are women on the dating apps who
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are a bit more selective and you know you can find that girl who's like not just like jumping at every
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single date uh but i would say the majority of the women on the dating apps probably like dating
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multiple guys probably the majority of the men though on dating apps started specifically looking
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for hookups and that's why i don't like dating apps because they're not trying to look especially like
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hinge it was the only dating app that i've said i would download and i tried it out and i'd find
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some good guys there that weren't only looking for sex but the majority of them was like oh you want
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to um can i come over can you come over i'm just like you haven't said hi to me bro like and
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you're already expecting sex for me donated two hundred dollars and 69 cents thanks brixton and
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304 and six norman bates 304 rage quit good luck boys godspeed oh seven yeah lord jesus thank you for
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the uh tts man really appreciate it uh okay once uh huh uh you can no it's okay um let's see where
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were we we're talking oh we're getting into your notes um you said your hot take on dating is that
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most men date for sports you believe for the feeling of obtaining a woman and the gratification of that
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but not necessarily dating for getting to know someone or being chill about that yeah i mean that's
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just my experience with someone wanting to jump right into a relationship without taking the time to get
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to know me you know after the first date i feel like to men they see women as a trophy to obtain
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you know and then once they get you that's it they don't have to continue putting in the work i mean
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that was my experience in my five-year marriage you know certified lever i'm really uh and you're
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currently like you're so you're poly you're in you do the open relationship thing um how many people
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are you currently dating i'm not dating anyone i'm focusing on getting divorced i'm focusing on getting
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my life together yeah but are you like uh okay how about like casual sex then i don't have casual
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sex with anyone uh semi-serious sex no are there any guys in the picture in any romantic capacity or
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sexual capacity whatsoever no oh okay all right uh so you're celibate for a period you've been celibate
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for four months um i mean i definitely have hooked up with someone that i was seeing for a couple months
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um but it was not great um yeah so okay haven't seen anyone since then how many um at any one given
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time what's the most amount of men that you've been seeing in some capacity
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oh your uh you date women too so i suppose yeah i mean the most partners like for me that's that i
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max out at is three like three partners romantically involved with dating and relationships with and
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that's it for me i mean i'm not like someone who just needs a bunch of partners or needs a bunch of
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attention i mean i don't go on a bunch of dates i don't have time to do that so when i do i mean it's
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you know something i care about and it's something i take very seriously um but right now i mean for
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me it's just very casual and i explain that you know i'm open to healthy connection and experiences
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so i'm down to go like hang out with people and go on walks and go on picnics and you know go on hikes
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but i'm not interested in dating anyone right now or being in a relationship
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sorry there's a couple things going on behind the scenes um let's see i don't know how people
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have enough like time in their day to be in a relationship with three different people i feel
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like one boyfriend is a full-time job plus having a child i don't understand how people do that
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yeah well when i left my husband i also broke up with the other partners i had because i realized
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like i really need to focus on my life and her life and you know figuring out what that looks like
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for us so um yeah i mean i identify as polyamorous but you know i'm single and i'm also like open to
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talking to people and getting to know people but um i'm not trying to be in a relationship right now
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but i enjoy getting to know people you know and being
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sure uh and you said you are you're bi pan queer and you have better luck with queer people when it
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comes to dating casually yeah are you and are you so you're a pan so you'll date uh you'll date men
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you'll date women you'll date trans men you'll date trans women do i have that correct correct and
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non-binary and non-binary okay uh so they thems more love babies shout out to my babes they what is
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they babes like they babes what's that like like a babe but a they them babe so a babe
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all right i think ali taught us that last time ali is a certified certified seven baddie
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i think certified babes title yeah so uh i do i did want to ask you and i uh
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well since it's since the topics already come up um although you didn't you didn't seem to disagree
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on this one callie right yeah um it's not wrong to not want to date a trans person i mean i think
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everyone's entitled to their opinions and if you're not you know attracted to a queer person
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or their you know gender identity that's fine and that's your choice okay all right because we have
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had some people on the show who say well it would be uh discriminatory or transphobic or wrong to
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refuse to date somebody because they're trans i think it's technically still queer in my opinion
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wait what do you mean like i think you know if you're with a trans person i think you identify as
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queer yes yeah but that's not straight but i don't i don't really understand that aspect of it because
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you clearly you can be a trans person and be heterosexual so so because that's it doesn't
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that actually defeat the meaning of lgbtq which is the idea of same-sex relationships right
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i mean i'm honoring their gender identity you know but i think even that can be even if you did the
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gender identity thing you would still have to consider that to be heterosexual if it was if they
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were if they both identified as opposite genders right so if that's the case i still don't i even
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even granting that i still don't understand how it's actually how they actually go under the umbrella of
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lgbtq yeah i mean you just asked my opinion that's your opinion yeah but that's that's what i'm asking
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okay um so wait uh and i i think you didn't even disagree on this one but just want to double check
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uh it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman you you agree with that i think it's queer
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in my opinion she agrees okay she yes all right okay let me see here if we have anybody who we did have
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emily you disagreed on that one wait what what was even the yeah so it was the statement was that you
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disagreed on it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman yeah i don't think it's straight i
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also think it's queer you you circled that you disagreed
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but you agree yes that is not straight oh sugar is big gay okay i think i circled that to maybe because
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i do agree on is it is gay to date a person as trans i think we say queer queer oh sorry it's okay
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wait why would it be queer i thought you said we don't say that word on here oh no you can't i
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mean well again if you're using it as an insult yeah if it's like an insult yeah oh no it was just
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in the disclaimer of words we don't say no it's fine like respect for my transgender buddies always
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okay all right uh let's see here we do have uh we are going to uh get to stifler's question then
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ask everyone to rate their own looks uh on a scale of one to ten you want to take that one uh
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all right uh everyone rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten starting with you go ahead
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i think i'm a solid eight okay in my opinion what about you like in my opinion yeah your looks on a
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scale of one to ten like nine okay what about you it's like a nine to nine nine point ten seven
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eight seven i'm a ten baby oh seven all right deborah i like to think somewhere between seven
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and a half and eight all right i get myself ten stay humble you know always room to grow get skinnier
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yes exactly very true all right once i get this nose job watch out i give myself a five andrew what
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about you well i mean with all the nines in the room i couldn't be anything less than ten
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wait why why is that funny why are you laughing you guys don't think so no you're handsome yeah see
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that's it there you go and then um all right and then i guess related to this question we do have
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do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time so you're 26 will you be better looking at 36
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yes because hopefully a lot less stress i'm gonna age backwards like benjamin button okay what about 20
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years time 46 yes definitely i mean i take really good care of myself i work out all the time you know
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i have vitamins supplements um super greens super reds magnesium i mean really everything you can
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think of so um yeah 30 years time 56 yeah i'm gonna be hot uh 40 years time 66 i mean i'll think i'll be
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maybe like a beautiful older woman like audrey hepburn uh 50 years time 76 i mean hopefully my legs still work
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so okay the just a reminder the question is will you be do you think you'll be more attractive oh
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more attractive 10 years 20 years 30 years like oh like compared to now um yeah so your 76 year old
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self is going to be more hot i'm sorry i didn't understand the question okay it's okay um no i mean i
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think you know probably 10 years from now i'll be really hot and then i'll just more hot yes more hot
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okay what about 20 years time same um no i mean i think i think that's not really going to be my
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concern anymore just you know i'm not always going to be this young and sexy so i'm just enjoying it
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whether it's your concern or not is kind of irrelevant to the question yeah i mean i i don't i don't know
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haven't really thought about it i don't really care that much like i don't put that much emphasis on
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my looks you don't i care more about why do you put hair color why do you dye your hair because
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i'm cute i'm a girl i like to be cute it's fun so you do care about your looks i think it's fun
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it doesn't mean like that's totally fine no that's not like the most emphasis i put on in my life i guess
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what i don't understand like in this you can't in the same sentence say i don't care about my looks but
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also like you wear makeup you put on fake lashes you do your hair you've got tattoos you clearly care
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care about i'm saying external physical appearance yeah i'm saying in that time like i will care a lot
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less about my looks like i said i'm not always going to be this young and beautiful like i'm not
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going to rely you know or care that much about this forever so all right uh you are we switched you
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you're 23 right or how old are you 21 20 21 21 my bad i got a little confused there okay so 21 uh
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will you be better looking in 10 years time at 31 i feel like yes but not when i'm older so 20 years time
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41 41 yeah i feel like i'll still be hot uh 30 years time 51 um i feel like once i get like a
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little older i'll probably get work done just to look a little younger that's really it when when
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do you think you'll peak peak um probably like late 20s okay when do you think is like going to be your
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peak like 35 35 okay going to you you're 23 better looking in 10 years time at 33 yes definitely i feel
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like i still haven't grown up like i want to or sure okay better looking in 20 years time at
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yes i'm latina so i have really good genes and my mom's beautiful and she's 51 okay better looking
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in 30 years time at 53 yeah i believe so okay better looking in 40 years time at 63 um maybe i hope so
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like j-lo and all of them well they're not 60 but you know they're older women do you guys think j-lo's
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better looking now versus when she was no do you think there's a single natural thing about her
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anymore anybody in celebrity or anybody in hollywood all these celebrities do everything from like the
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blood facials to i don't know like kim kardashian looks better now i feel like kim kardashian looks
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better now than she did when she was younger like starting out don't you agree she's also had probably
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millions of dollars of plastic surgery done to her so that's the point i guess it matters if you think
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plastic surgery is attractive or not not really i mean i want a nose job that's probably only work i
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would get all right um 50 years time at uh 73 more attractive no not definitely not more attractive
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peak peak would be like in my 30s 30 yeah my 30s all right what about you uh you are 22 right
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better looking in 10 years time at 32 yeah better looking 20 years time 42 yeah better looking 30 years
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time 52 no okay when's the peak i'd say like early 30s early 30s okay uh you are 20 clarify i don't
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want to live past 60. thank you for sharing that very relevant piece of information uh you're 28 better
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looking in 10 years time at 38 no i i believe everybody peaks when they're young like okay so
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you're sure let's go backwards uh you're 28 were you better looking at 18 than you are now
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i think i was looking the best like my peak was like 23. okay but if we had to compare were you
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better looking at 18 versus now yes okay yes all right and then uh you are you will be better looking
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now at 28 than you will be at 38. uh i don't know i guess we all age so i don't i don't i don't know how
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i'm gonna look when i'm 30. i'd probably assuming you plus 10 years i don't know it could be i could
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take control and look good or i could go to total who knows how people turn out what do you think
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i don't think i've ever thought about this so you're thinking about it right now uh
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uh i might look better i think yeah okay but uh what about 38 38 10 years time no okay nobody
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find it weird she doesn't want to live past 60. am i the only one that caught that i got that too
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why because because our bodies are fucked up by then like we like we break down i don't want to be
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all like i have like spine issue i don't really want to live well i mean maybe there'll be
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interventions within 30 30 40 years that will uh you know regenerative medicine this way i hope so
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i hope you want us to something different uh so going to you you're 38 will you be better looking
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will you be better looking in 10 years time at 40. i'd like to be optimistic but i mean
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i don't know i want to get more fit i guess you know more strong let me know if you need a trainer
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okay so was sorry was that a yes or i don't think so i'm sorry you're very soft-spoken realistically no
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i probably will be a little less cuter okay and you're 38 uh are you better looking now or were
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you better looking 10 years ago at 28 just let me finish uh better looking at 28 probably a little
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better looking okay i kind of look the same and then uh were you better looking at 18 10 years prior as
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compared to 28 i would agree okay so okay all right uh deborah you're 24 better looking in 10
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years time at 34 i do think so okay and then better looking in 20 years time 44 better than right now
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yes probably not because i plan to have a ton of kids and i know what that does to a woman's body but
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a cold plunge i don't need seed oils i'm all about that rfk maybe rfk will make us all live forever so
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um and then just you uh between 34 and 44 which one will be better looking probably 34 i think
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early 30s is probably like the peak for women but my grandma's in her 80s and she's a hottie
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all right uh and then damien let me know when we get the discord going with the
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age advancements we do have a big super chat here from uh nas in la thank you man so much for the uh
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200 super chat he writes in 10 years you 30 foes will be coping with bbls and botox to try to look
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how you do today stop coping anybody here gonna get a bbl anybody bbl anybody i go to the gym bbl don't
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look at me i was just looking straight at me like i looked at everybody i looked at everybody
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all natural from that's it does anybody here have uh like uh any plastic surgery not yet i got my
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boobs done after breastfeeding yeah all right for a year you got it all right let's we guys we are age
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advancing everybody uh you can go ahead and pull that up no all right that's okay that is my nose
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like why would my nose even wait what's the age i don't know well she said she's gonna be better
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looking at like i said 10 years from now that's we didn't even do our prime age yeah yeah you just
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said old lady what the heck that's granny i feel like old ladies also do get that hairstyle too you
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know i know low-key the salt and pepper yeah oh well she's not here but that does not look like
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oh my god i'm scared for me i'm scared for me i'm scared for myself i'm not sure she needs to run away
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bride whoa wow that was not nice everyone that was not nice no i'm next how dare you guys all right
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wait how old would i be there 70. of course the hottest okay so far still looking all right next
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why did my lips get smaller what all right mine was the worst you guys know i think mine was the
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worst so far i haven't been up yet so oh no okay age gracefully is that fucking nancy pelosi
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i i don't believe in fillers or any of that stuff i think it lasts in your skin forever so this is a psa
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to any woman hey thank you any women considering that you can never get rid of it even dissolving
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stuff it lives forever so thank you all right all right we got next what about preventive
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okay bro of course you wish next and then of course the ant yeah whoever's doing this i like the keep
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doing minus chad and then grandpa andrew i like that okay i feel good about myself
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rock and roll looks exactly like my dad all right all right all right um so let's see here where were
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we um i guess uh those of you who said you'll be like they're looking in 10 20 whatever 30 uh final
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question on this do you think men will find you men because i know this is your own self-assessment
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do you think men will find you more attractive in 10 years time compared yes yeah i think a lot of
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guys are like into milfs like they like older women erroneous erroneous milfs are hot you know my
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sister's 60 and she looks like she's 30 and still got she has trouble like dating your sister looks
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like she's 60 but looks like she's 30. no she looks 30 and she's 60. yeah yeah i could pull up a picture
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and you'd be like she doesn't look great just like men argue with her i'm dating show me the picture i
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don't believe this all right go grab her phone yeah go grab your phone wait your sister's really 60.
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yeah wow a 60 year old that looks like a 30 year old maybe an asian it's all making more sense
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don't raise it all coming to me i said childhood trauma yeah everything in life a lot of maybe an
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asian woman maybe an asian woman you're right yeah even then asian ladies age very good too very
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60 bro i'm sorry it's that korean skin even black people need that very well
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i don't know she's like 80 and she looks like she's 15. don't show it on camera just show it to
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me okay okay but i think the real answer is rotate the phone once women past 30. maybe maybe 40 but i
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don't think she looks she's hot i mean she's got a filter she's using a filter can i look at her
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yeah okay okay it's not like the skinniest but she's not she doesn't look 60 to me and men argue
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with her does she look 60 she looks a little younger than 60 but okay what age would you give
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her well i'm not really good at reading people like in their 50s and sick just because i'm not
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at that age yet i feel like maybe she would i guess she's not in her 40s like i i mean she could
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me but again like she could be like in her mid 50s but i i mean i mean in person she looks like in
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person yeah in person people usually look worse in person than they do and i feel like i look better
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in person than i do on camera because i'm not but organic really that's i've never seen a 30 year
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old with like the well that's why you gotta put skincare on your neck always bring down the lotion
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girls bring down the lotion down to your neck always that's not a 30 year old bro oh and sunscreen
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what's on screen men argue with her in leading sites like i've even said you're not 60 i've
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argued with her so what do you mean like they're like you're lying about your age it's like why would
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i lie about i know i know why men would lie about this because it's flattering to a woman to say she
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looks younger than she like actually is especially like older women who are 60. they're trying to have
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sex with your 60 year old uh girl what is it not girl what the aunt what is she she's my sister
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oh my yeah guys are gonna guys will flatter women it's a strategy i don't know i i still
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so beautiful i still argue with her about her being 60 because i couldn't even
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i can see that yeah as an honest man she's a little bit of my mom that's crazy she's 60 man
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okay all right well good talk uh okay so uh we are oh i need to finish up the the notes from
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everybody then we're getting to the questionnaire uh let's see here we are we did yours amelia yes
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hello uh let's see uh we talked about the cutting the hair thing yeah uh traumatized still you feel
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like guys downgrade cheating and why guys downgrade that's valid um you wrote paranormal experiences in
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here yeah is it a dating thing or you just want to talk about ghosts i like talking about ghost stories
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are you have you been i feel like you've been abducted by aliens like you seem the type of
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girl who's been abducted have you been probed i'm definitely i'm definitely a woke i'm definitely
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woke and believe in um woke woke yeah like the matrix about everything like i is there third eye
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open the matrix yeah wait do you mean that we live in a simulation yeah the simulation wait really
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not that we live in a simulation but i do believe that like we live in a matrix where like the um
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higher society makes us like in a program how do we get unplugged i don't know yet you take the red
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pill i'll take the red pill you take the red i'll take the red pill but anyways going back to you so
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right now just to be clear red pill it's currently the year in the real world it's the year uh 2400
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there's robots you are in like a liquefied human pod and the robots that's scary hold on the you the
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robots are using you for essentially a battery to power no the robot world because there was a human
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robot war and uh the robots won and now we're the slaves of the robots of the robots and we're all
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inside of the matrix right now no i do not believe that's not the point i was getting at just like
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the rat race trying to escape the matrix not working in um like that's strictly of like working
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a nine-to-five so we're not literally in the matrix we're just programming she's saying she's talking
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about social programming okay yeah exactly thank you very much andrew no but she said we're in a
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simulation so no i said no no no no she actually said she she didn't think we were in the simulation oh
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yeah that would be crazy i'm not that crazy we're in a simulation and then she's talking about
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kind of like andrew tate mindset i'm like the version like the woman version of andrew tate
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and yeah you're so you're a fan of andrew tate yes okay i used to not because i don't like his views
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on women but now that he changed his views on women wait how did he change his views on women
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wait wait wait yeah did he change his views on woman or on women well i don't know the first i did
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not like andrew tate at first because the video i would see him like degrading women um and acting like
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were sexual objects and i was like yeah you're not my guy yeah pmd not woman yeah i think he's
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kind of dumb now now he's like saying that women are the beautiful most beautiful creation
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on earth and we need to take care of them and protect them so i was like okay i like paying them
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to have sex on webcams no i did not know about that that's how he got his famous he has a whole
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program called a p uh phd pimping hose degree where he teaches men how to get other women to film
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themselves naked on sex cams and then get the money uh he's still doing that yeah just to move
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things on okay i did not know that you said you're into i don't agree with that you're into manifest
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manifesting yeah what does that mean manifesting is whatever like um you want in your life and your
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dreams you're able to manifest it and um eventually comes to fruitation if you follow your like your
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path and stay true to yourself and obviously god pray to god and i feel like i've manifested a lot of
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things that i wanted like being a medical field and my opportunities that i've asked once like
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for modeling it's like it happens okay uh and then you did right here when i was going around the table
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you said you're single right yes but in the notes you said you were in a very complicated situationship
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that was my ex you're no longer oh maybe this you sent this like a while ago so this is over
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do i have that correct yeah that situation was over i see you said because you said you've been
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single for two months so okay so you're no longer in the very complicated situation no
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the this was the guy who cut your hair yes okay they're all coming by i see okay all right and we
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have uh who do we have giana gina me no there's oh oh no no okay that that's all right uh let's see
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here did did you send anything or no i don't think you did you did via instagram or here yeah you already
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read them but they were just like oh you're right yeah i didn't send anything sorry ryan but i can
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whip it up right now we have uh the i think the final one then is we have uh tawny uh you just tawny
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you said you just ended a nine-year abusive relationship with your ex-fiancee who's now
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having severe health problems that's correct okay um actually yeah i'll leave it here for now
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uh and just uh i don't know if can you give us a little details he's abusive was it physically
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emotionally it was physical it was emotional it lasted way too long i mean we met when i was 29 and
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now 38 so my whole 30s he was also 12 years older than me and age gap different opinions on that now as an
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older woman i think um yeah but it's very emotional because he is just get close if you
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can uh has liver cirrhosis and he has colon cancer on top of that i'm so sad okay it's just shitty uh
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but so you said that you so you just ended the nine-year abusive relationship um how did you abuse him
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i was not the abusive oh my bad sorry okay i guess i missed that part um and uh you were with him for
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nine years that is that correct that's correct okay uh you wanted to talk about narcissistic abuse
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uh so he was a narcissist i have been like reading a lot of books i'm sorry and yeah i would just so
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it's a little i would just put your chair in maybe if you don't cross your legs you can i would scoot
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that chair just get that there you go all right yeah i would categorize it as like a narcissistic
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abuse of how do you define narcissism i just want to make sure i'm understanding i um i've read like
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why does he do that and i've been listening to a lot of dr romney and it's i i wouldn't have a definition
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uh yeah but i do feel like it did fit into that category
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okay andrew typically has thoughts on this one i don't know andrew if you want to have any inquiry
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here or yeah i was just curious um so i hear so many women say that men are narcissistic and yet
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these men have never been diagnosed with narcissism it seems that they women themselves tend to diagnose
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the men as being narcissistic all on their own and i'm just wondering how you came to the conclusion
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that he was narcissistic i feel like i i grew up with a covert narcissist's mother um
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i wish i was more i know she's not diagnosed but sorry i wish i was feeling more articulate
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um but yeah just like i said i've let's spread the book why does he do that which was very insightful
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and i don't know if anyone's familiar with dr romney the the indian psychologist that has a
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youtube channel i think i've heard about this yeah um you're right yeah well i'm just curious what
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are the traits that actually made this guy a narcissist i i don't actually i i don't know how
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to explain it completely like double standards totally egotistical relationship i was never
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really listened to i don't i don't know i should have made more notes before i came here because i'm
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feeling like i don't know exactly what to say on that subject so sorry okay i got a lot to say
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about narcissism was zach bryan anybody following that i love but that situation yeah well i mean so
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just by a show of hands real quick um who here has dated a narcissist
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that's me diagnosed or diagnosed by women that well just diagnosed by you mine was diagnosed by a
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doctor okay after just diagnosed by you or you that you just think that they're a narcissist for
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whatever reason just by a show of hands real quick wait what did you say you have to be dated a
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narcissist i think a lot of women just use that term like it's like the term gaslighting people just
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took it and ran with it but people can be an asshole or like a bad guy without being a narcissist
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an actual narcissist you cannot feel or think about other people's emotions they can know about your
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emotions and just genuinely not care about them like that is i don't think that's necessarily
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narcissism i think there's just you're an asshole yeah like and there's women who are also really bad
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like it's just bad people is a psychopath and a narcissist the same thing no no okay have you dated a
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psychopath besides the dog man oh well um yeah the the one the relationship was diagnosed as a
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narcissist and i've also dated a guy that was actually diagnosed as a psychopath but this is like
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way like when i was really young there's no diagnosis for psychopathy so psycho psychopath
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doesn't exist anywhere in the dsm it's not a it's not a diagnosis there's there's uh other diagnoses
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which you would give a person that you would possibly consider them to be a psychopath like borderline
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personality disorder cluster b all sorts of different things but psychopathy itself like
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being a psychopath is not a thing which can be diagnosed interesting i was like 19 this guy told
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me he was actually diagnosed like as a psychopath i don't know what that's a phrenic maybe maybe who
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knows i don't know how old was he you were 19 he's like 23 somewhere in there 24. girl you gotta make
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better choices in men i'm sorry you just i'm not sorry actually i really think that you need to make
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better choices in men especially if you have a daughter because it's your duty to raise her and
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like teach her what men she should go for and i think it's never too late to make that better choice
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and live a happier better life but you gotta put the effort in yeah i'm learning it's definitely yeah i
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agree with that statement all right um let's see here um
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one sec guys just going over a couple things okay um we're going to get into the uh questionnaire stuff
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but before we do i'm just going to read the soup chat from the the homie ray bovis please have
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everyone pronounce the plural form of the word woman andrew's enthusiastic about this one starting with you
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go ahead i don't get the question women women what women women question i don't know what we're
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talking sorry a plural word yeah the plural form of the word woman woman women wait what
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well so you guys have you and you you may not realize that you've done this but all of you have done
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this now when you say women you keep saying woman i don't think that woman should do this i said women
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what's that i don't believe i know the proper use of the terms i don't think i've said that but
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if anybody can answer i'm not saying you specifically yeah but i but but yeah there's there's a lot of i
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don't i don't and i have no idea why this is it's something that i've seen panel after panel after panel
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for some reason women use the word woman to say women and i don't i don't actually understand why
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that is the most bizarre phenomenon ever plural so like a woman and pans versus pan a singular pan a
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woman is you where women is a bunch yeah yes well i said that no no you specifically said woman like 15
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times instead of women right oh no me oh yeah this question woman yeah is english your second language
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well i had to learn english and spanish at the same time because i moved to mexico i was in preschool so
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imagine having to learn your own language how to speak and write correctly and then add spanish on top
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of that so yeah but i mean in spanish isn't it mujer mujeres yes like isn't it the same thing
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right one moment one moment sorry all right well brian's gone so we have to entertain ourselves now
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uh no no we can uh we can actually dive into a couple things so going back to the rating thing
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briefly i'd like to do just a very quick social experiment uh so everybody close your eyes
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close them up tight close your eyes up tight okay now raise your hand if you think you're the
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prettiest girl in the room nobody else can see i'm not gonna
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okay now lower your hands now open your eyes okay now uh starting with chair one who do you think
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said that they were the prettiest woman in the room um i don't know i mean i think everyone here is
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really beautiful it's just again there's no wrong answer in my opinion yeah i mean i think
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just who do you think raised their hand is all i'm just asking who you think but she's humble so i
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don't think she would have raised her hand i don't know okay next chair who do you think raised their
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hand um i don't think you raised your hand but okay all right beautiful women so i was like i'm
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definitely not the prettiest girl in here so middle chair middle chair who do you think raised their hand
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um i don't feel like anyone did just kind of respect next next who do you think raised their hand
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uh i don't know that no one okay and then next year who do you think raised your hand probably no
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one i would bet on that actually oh and then last year who you think raised your hand if i i agree with no
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one but if i had to say anyone i think it would be you just because i feel like you have a high level of self-confidence
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um but got it so to those now just since all your eyes are open raise your hand if you said nobody
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what do you mean if you said you didn't raise your hand yeah if you don't think anybody raised their
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hand raise your hand yeah okay great uh and so for those of you who just raised your hand how many of
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everybody everybody so i don't i don't understand if you're if you if you're seven eight nine ten
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how do you assume that you're not the prettiest girl in the room because there's also seven nights
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intense here it's such a subjective question i don't think i'm in competition with any other
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women i'm in competition with myself myself only why is it a matter of yes me too always i'm not
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the prettiest girl look at her she's she's model material yeah she's she's beautiful yeah i'm not
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i'm not saying it's a matter of competition i'm saying that even from your subjective metric
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you can make a determination as to what is pretty and what is not pretty correct
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symmetrical i think all the girls are beautiful yeah nobody but nobody's making nobody's disputing that
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you must not understand girls for someone who's married i'm shocked that you don't have a better
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grasp on the female psychology when it comes to just this specific aspect where women when the
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environment is divisive and you're put in position to tear each other down women will claw each other's
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eyes out but like when they're in i think in good environments women tend to be girly and like
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sisterhood and really like not want to tear people down girls girls i just came from a bachelorette
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trip everyone's like braiding their hair and doing massages i'm like since when did we start doing
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this like i i think it's just a female thing that if we were all in a private room like a confessional
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as a person who's married and raised many many women who are out in society i also know that there's a
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lot of truth that perhaps um at the moment you're trying to gaslight us away from which is that women
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often tear each other down in groups all the time they do it all the time non-stop and often in
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the most passive aggressive ways possible but the idea that you from your subjective metric can't
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make a determination as to which girl you think is prettier than you i think is a lie i literally
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think it's just a lie yeah i don't think you're any of you are actually telling me the truth right
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i think she's prettier than you i mean i'm gay and i gave my honest opinion so yeah right well so i mean
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some of you will say sure some of the women here are prettier than me blah blah blah but many don't
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want to answer they don't want to answer why because they're afraid that they're going to
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offend somebody who's going to hurt their feelings this or that i understand that but at the same
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time it's like just don't lie to me and say uh well i just don't know i never make those judgment
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calls because yes you do yes you definitely make the judgment calls as to who's prettier than you not
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prettier than you what if you're just basing it off of what other people tell you not that you think
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you're pretty yeah well i think that most people would would probably base their metric on what other
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people tell them otherwise what would they be comparing it like i don't think i'm ugly so
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someone doesn't think they're pretty but they based off of someone else saying then they're not
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going to think they're actually beautiful yeah but i think that the the way that people inform
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themselves about beauty standards is based on how people treat them based on their beauty standard
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right yeah i'm not afraid so if you were like walking around all day long and every guy you ran
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into was like oh you're ugly i'm guessing that you probably wouldn't think you were pretty right
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but if you walked around all day and guys were like oh you're beautiful i'm assuming that you
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would that would probably hire your estimation of yourself maybe that's why too i think i'm really
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beautiful because how many compliments i do get when i step out like anywhere i men and women
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someone on tiktok told me they watch my videos with the sound off so i don't know take that with what
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you will i don't know if it was a hate comment or not that's definitely a hate comment for sure i'm
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taking it as a positive comment you could definitely be like get told you're hotter than you actually are and
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then rate yourself lower just because you're low self-esteem let's pull up twitch damon guys go
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to twitch.tv bob kyle i don't know if you're still in chat i didn't get the notification for
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it but you did send us a raid i don't know if you're still watching uh guys go to there it is i
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don't know why maybe here let me check my settings maybe it's like below the threshold or something
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but yo bob kyle thank you so much for the raid man really appreciate it uh i don't know i don't
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know if i'm gonna be able to play world of warcraft with you man but i really appreciate it i don't know i'm
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like there's a lot of interest on our discord about doing it i'm just like thinking if i've even
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even time but we'll see maybe i'll start the guild and just abandon it after a day we'll see just
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kidding just kidding okay thank you so much for the raid man guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever
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drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one guys it's been 15 minutes since we last got a prime
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so if you guys have a prime sub available check it let me see what's going on here though with the
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alert um before i get into the questionnaire just while i'm getting this all sorted uh does anybody
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have a dating topic that they'd like to speak on or you have two men here who will be uh totally
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honest with you if you've ever wanted to ask a guy a question about dating or relationships or anything
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what's your guys idea of a perfect first date uh i and you're like realistic perfect or like i
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idealistic perfect what's the difference well idealistic perfect would be the like a dream she's
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a uh she's a billionaire heiress and she commits herself to me for her life even if i break up with
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her she will become a nun after we break up uh we have sex immediately she's amazing at it she's
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exactly my type and then the times in which i want a different type she can shape shift kind of like you
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into a different just kidding about that part um i'll be happy with however she comes just kidding
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but really i'm serious um giant labia world record because i i uh you like you like i'm fat huh i only
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you're i mean you date women so you know what i'm talking about i only date women with large
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i'm looking for a guinness world record labia okay um so if anybody knows anybody just kidding uh
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just kidding but i'm serious i am serious about that uh what else please send reference photos to him
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yes i need um no realistically not idealistic yeah realistically the world we live in the
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billionaire heiress giant lady uh perfect first day yeah would she plan it or would you plan it
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she does oh okay okay here would you guys realistic realistic and we're about to play the battle video
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yeah um realistic she's uh like you know like equivalent you know in terms of physical
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attractiveness like around my league or whatever um pleasant submissive does my laundry on the first
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date does a bow do you guys meet at the laundry mat so you can see how she folds no she just doesn't
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she just does it my place comes over also she trusts you yeah trust me she does my uh what else does she do
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uh she cleans my entire house including rest bathrooms uh sweeps mops swiffers vacuums so you
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want a slave she also needs to know how to churn butter and make moccasins because that's how i roll
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and uh king's out there if she won't find somebody who will if she won't find somebody who will if she
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wanted to she would so exactly yeah i mean hey you put it out there ask and you shall receive
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yeah i basically um yeah i did all those things i did sorry deborah i did all those things for my
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next boyfriend he churned butter and made moccasins well not that part but i cleaned all
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of his dishes he'll break her like damn it i washed his dishes made his bed in the morning did his
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laundry speaking of laundry i do not have to turn butter even though i have like top of the line
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laundry like washing machine dryer um i actually insist that my girlfriend she has to like like uh
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what's that washboard she has to use a washboard like a pilgrim yeah she has to use a washboard to
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clean all my clothes and then she has to hang them to dry okay yes they teach us elementary
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schoolers like complete clean status sounds like a great elementary school that sounds like a good
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first date like a poker do you guys downgrade on purpose or this happens to you guys that's a total
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shift i know but we're talking about relationships aren't we uh do we what downgrade on yeah why do you
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guys do you guys downgrade on purpose like because some guys go from having the most beautiful woman
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everything that he want um they can want and then they break up with her and then the next girl they
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get it doesn't meet any other standards to that girl they cheat on you with oh both i because i
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don't got cheated on but after me and my ex broke up he dated a girl that had like nothing going for
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herself looks like a tweaker um like you're not well yeah so it was just like why would you go from
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me to her you mean probably great wait it wasn't the doubt he side graded because like you're also
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what a tweaker a tweaker how are you not no you know what tweaker means i think so
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what does meth no a tweaker like it does drugs have you ever done drugs marijuana but i'm talking
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about she was like looks like she does meth and looks like she does like hardcore have you ever done
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um um no i have vape and smoke weed and drink wine such cope your white cope it's so hard yeah look
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at you you have to who hasn't i'm just gonna say that yeah there we go there's the truth who hasn't
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what have you ever done um experimented who hasn't experimented pcp no have you ever done like
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like black tar heroin no have you ever done crocodile no have you ever done i've done i
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smoke weed in high school i did acid once in in high school yeah 15 or something no like in
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senior year with my with my girlfriends oh okay that's cool but it was one time 16 she was 17.
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no that's like hardcore tweaker like whatever is like heroin meth crack and like pcp and like all
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that weird shit like that not even once no not even once not even once not even one time no not
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even half of a once no a quarter of a once like do i look like it or what because why just the tip
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just for a second just to see how it feels you know you know like how girls won't count like if it's
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just the tip as a body it's kind of like you just like take one hit of the meth pipe like that's you
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still did math yeah no but i smoke weed like on a daily so laced with meth no i'm kidding all
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right all right why are you crying again because the meth is it the meth convo that's what i'm curious
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about is it is it you okay oh is it did i say something is it about is it me what did i say
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it oh it's not you it's not is it andrew andrew you fucking scumbag go away andrew make a silly
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face do you want me to talk to andrew for a little bit andrew how you andrew this is the pcp
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this is the pcp i thought pcp was platelets andrew like a natural eye filler platelets you scoundrel
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you are a scoundrel andrew you ain't nothing but a hound dog
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andrew put put your little red screen on show us the red show us your evil yeah we
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know you're evil put the red thing there his face on his face you scoundrel i can't even see the
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devil horns peeking out what are you eating it's eating a cookie i have wow he's eating a cookie that
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sounds good my wife's cookies are not for you not for you hey fair enough wait andrew do you have
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children you said you brought some girls into this world how many kids you have children i have five
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or three step kids and then two uh two of my own what are the age ranges like youngest to oldest
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uh the oldest are in their 20s and the youngest is um i don't know like uh 12 or 13 or 14 or something
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how old were you when you became a dad i was pretty young how old it was in uh uh i don't remember my
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exact age it was like early 20s so dill i have a few friends who've been married since like early 20s
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and they're now parents but what do you think was like the biggest thing if anything to change for you
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as a man in the way that you saw women after having your first child did anything change and if it did
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what um no i so i think that my opinion of women was pretty well informed up until that point not
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maybe not great but it was pretty well informed uh but understanding uh women's nature raising women
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that's a whole different a whole different story whole different uh whole different thing turns out
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that this idea that uh that that women are perfect until a man corrupts their angelic nature is uh
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complete and total fucking bullshit so that's the thing that i learned more than anything quickly is
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that uh that is not true um at all not even a little bit and there's a lot of what uh she called social
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engineering which tries to reinforce the narrative that women are born angelic and perfect and uh
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only evil men it's only after evil men corrupt their angelic nature that um that they do anything
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which is bad and uh that's that's just not the case no i would agree with you on that i think
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hormones play a huge role into it specifically like if you ever met a 14 year old girl they could
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probably use an exorcism we've all been 14 year old girls here yeah i don't think it's hormones i've got
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a different i have a different way that i look at it so well i think that there's a superpower that
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which is corrupting to women especially beautiful women and i think it would be just as corrupting to
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men if they had it so assume just uh think of it as like um you're an x-men and that you're you're kind
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of your mutation your superpower is that if you're young and beautiful between the ages of let's say
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18 and 27 basically anything you want from men you can get basically anything you want if you want
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a door open you're going to get it if you need money you're going to get it if you need resources
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you're going to get that um if you get in trouble they're likely your punishment's going to be much
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lighter now it's like a this great superpower but it corrupts too at the same time right because it it
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displaces accountability and since it displaces accountability once that beauty fleets women's
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seem to have trouble taking accountability after that they go wait a second it used to be that
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doors magically opened for me gifts just showed up at my house people just gave me resources and
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attention once that fades though they never learned the accountability portion and so um so i think that
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that's a that's a massive social issue and because matrons in society have been rejected meaning older
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women who are now always just looking to kind of reattach themselves to their youth instead of
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telling women to have good expectations the matrons of society which are designed to guide women
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through this they're gone they're they're summarily rejected and instead they try to hold these
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ridiculous beauty standards into their 60s and 70s where they look like j-lo and this type of thing and
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it's insane so that that's the uh that's the big eye-opener yeah i think that i got not directly opposed
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i think it's just different than what i was saying which is like i think women specifically when they're
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going through puberty for the first time just as somebody who was a teenage girl and had other
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teenage friends that there's some something i don't know i think women are not informed enough
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about hormones we're never really taught about it how it affects you how people after giving birth
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have like postpartum depression and they can literally go psychotic because of it even after
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abortions too people don't talk about this stuff men have the same thing like i know but it sucks that
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we're not taught about it yeah yeah this is often not thought about but men when they're going through
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puberty right right of passage for men they get ultra violent sometimes with each other highly angry
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very upset very confused right they have a hormone uh siege inside of their bodies as much as women
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do but their accountability is not taken away so the accountability for keeping those things in check
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that's never displaced from them it does seem like it's more displaced from women how is that new
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since the beginning of time men have been held more accountable than women because we've expected
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men to be the leaders so if you guys want to be the leaders you should expect to be held accountable as
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well well more than your counterparts silly this is sure you know what i'll concede the argument you're
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right men should be held more accountable and the thing is though is if you give them more
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responsibility right if you give them more responsibility then you're going to have to also give
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them the authority and so you can't say we're going to take authority away from men which is what
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egalitarianism has done and still give them the same amount of responsibility and have the expectation
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that you're going to have a society which isn't fucked from top to bottom because it is
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so the thing is it's like sure hold men more accountable than women but as long as they have
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the authority right nobody's going to say anything about it but the second you say we're equal
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well then you need to have equal accountability i don't disagree at all i love the patriarchy i think men
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should lead and us women can focus on painting our nails getting making sourdough starters being moms
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i think the feminist movement is the only reason that women have to work nowadays because of the
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dual income and i know no it's not it's not it's not to be pampered no it's the opposite right the the
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idea so this is the the faux idea of what the patriarchy is supposed to do which is enable you to be
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a pampered princess it's not but the patriarchy is supposed to do is protect you so that you can fulfill
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your duties and responsibilities to society and that would including reproduction and uh being
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matrons for the next generation i literally said be a mom and make sourdough starters that goes hand
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in hand with being a traditional housewife spread for your family being a pampered princess how is
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making have you ever made sourdough starters if you think you didn't say sourdough say anything about
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duty and responsibility you know you said i said i think i said paint your nails make sourdough and be a
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mother and you get post-it notes be a mother and make sourdough if you've never made sourdough then
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you don't know how hard it is to keep that thing alive and it's part of like making fresh bread for
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your family making natural ingredients meals that don't have toxic chemicals in them i think that all
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goes hand in hand those those those are making sourdough bread stuff like this the ingredients for it
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with whatever your modern luxuries are they're just that they're luxuries they're gifted they're
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literally gifted to women by men modern luxuries are definitely women are not gifting women modern
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luxury that's insane the thing is is that women have a duty and responsibility ethical duty and
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responsibility under christian ethics to uh multiply to have families to reproduce to they have a duty
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under christian ethics to raise the next generation correctly and be matrons to young women so that we
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don't have the problem of pornography and things like this that's all gone so as long as that duty is
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displaced from society for women and instead the all that's left is why i love the patriarchy as
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long as they give me a life of luxury we have essentially that's still just as regressive as the
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idea that um that well egalitarianism is bad and i would prefer the patriarchy uh because i get i get
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a life of luxury both eat they're equally bad it's an equally bad way to view it i think well i didn't say
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any of that i think you think i think that because you think you know how women think but it's not oh let's
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just have the patriarchy and do nothing i'm very traditional really yeah please i'm very supportive
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of traditional relationships especially like in judaism that's a huge thing and that's something
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i've always been raised around and if we're talking about you wanted to bring up christianity then in
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judaism there's a lot where men are the leaders but women are actually holier they have a higher
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connection to god because of their ability to bring life into this world and everything around that so to
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me if you want to say that like it's just funny that these old-fashioned what were commodities or
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just basic necessities actually being able to make bread you had to make your own bread cleaning your
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home women used to have to make their own cleaning supplies and be like somewhat chemist so i think
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now it's seen as a luxury to have that time and you know thankfully society has evolved in that front
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but like i don't know what impression or what made you think that i think that the patriarchy means that
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we get to sit home all day being a mom started with because we can paint our nails it's called a
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joke you don't have to be so serious 24 7 you ever heard of a joke i think you'd like well sure sure
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but i mean have you ever heard of a criticism right so the thing is it's like yeah whether you're saying
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it whether you're saying it in a joking manner or not right it moves to the point that i'm saying which
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is that in modernity women seem to have a massive sense of entitlement including the ones who say
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well i'm a traditionalist it's like really are you are you looking for somebody who can provide you for
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a life of luxury that's the question and usually when you get to the nitty-gritty of it when you
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look at what modern women want they want a life of luxury and a man who can provide it i don't hear
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them really talk about their duties and responsibilities like what is your duty to
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society do you have one yes i've said like no no hers yeah i said maybe 50 times that i think being
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a mom is the best thing you could do but this is why and even though we have a duty to be one i okay
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even though we're both conservatives like that's my ultimate goal in life i think above any
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career or anything being a mom and having a family i've literally this is not something you
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have to suck out of me i say this on my social media every day but this is why i have a problem
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with despite us both being conservatives this is something that i think for your own sake if you
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really want to have impactful messaging and like continue to have people who made me disagree i don't
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disagree with you on most things but even you like to actually listen to what you're saying a lot of
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times when like people on the far right or i don't think you're far right but i do think that
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on our side of the aisle you can very clearly tell that the way you're speaking of it from a
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place where like you genuinely have disdain or hard feelings towards women it's not from a place
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of like i love women they're so amazing we need to support them make them mothers we need to let
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them like we need to protect women at home you're like what's your duty to society that doesn't
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sound like a mature man at all and like why do you think why do you think men's job is to kiss
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your ass my job isn't to kiss your ass who said kiss my ass i said to actually want women to be
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mothers because you want to protect them i think you're disdainful to men i think that you only care
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about materialism i think that those are the values that you have and you haven't said a word about
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duty but yet at the same time your criticism to me is that if we even have a dispute or an argument
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suddenly it's disdainful towards all women no i've raised women into the next generation have you
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no i i've actually done it and so the thing is just like before you make these insane criticisms
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about what the right should or shouldn't be right maybe you should learn things like oh i don't know
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basic libertarian economics and laissez-faire even though you have a degree in political science which
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is fucking insane right i think personally that what you are is a misandrist and a covert feminist
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in disguise larping as a conservative because that's what okay yeah that makes i think you misunderstood
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what i was saying i wasn't credit one that's barbaric but two like i've literally to say that i'm an
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undercover feminist when i've literally gone head-to-head with feminists for five years and
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all my content and everything i believe and preach preach about let me finish how about that okay let
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me finish talking i think you misunderstood what i was saying i wasn't linked i wasn't
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can you shut up for 30 seconds let me talk the patriarchy can somebody mute him
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just let her finish go ahead deborah it's that loud deborah i think you misunderstood what i was
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saying as and took it as a personal criticism when i wasn't trying to i wasn't saying as personal
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criticism i was saying that what you're saying i agree with the majority of what you're saying and i
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think it would come across better and that this is a disconnect between men and women even on the
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same side of the political ire people who probably share the majority of how they think society should
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be run things like that i really do think that i think that this is a broken messaging and i would
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wish that more people would listen to this message and i think you don't realize listening to it as
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somebody who does agree that it doesn't seem like it's coming from a place of we should protect women
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as a society and their best thing that they like not their only thing but women are mothers that's
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their role in society they're the matriarchs of society and therefore we should protect them we
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shouldn't force them to work we shouldn't have to have them working nine to fives and being corporate
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slaves to their bosses who don't care about them and i think the difference is coming from a place of
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genuinely loving women and understanding their importance to the world and to traditional
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relationships and traditional values and christianity and everything alike it seems sometimes
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that the disconnect in the messaging is that it's just coming from a place of like you're a woman you
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have a duty to do this when rather why do we have that duty like not why do we have a duty aside from
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the religion but like where does it actually come from why do you truly believe that women should be
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protected or things like that i just think messaging wise and this wasn't a personal attack i think more
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people would listen and they should listen it just doesn't seem so much like it's coming off right
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now from a place of like women should be protected in sports in the workforce in homes and everything
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alike and that's all i was saying i wasn't trying to personally attack you and if you really think
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i'm a feminist then that's very hysterical and you have a horrible character judgment great so can i
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respond now to all that prattle so let me let me just respond and say i think it's hilarious that you
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say oh i heart patriarchy and the second you're in a conversation with a man the first thing you do
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is go how dare you speak over me oh i'm a proud strong woman look at how great i am you haven't
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spoken about duty at all yes absolutely you're a covert feminist the idea here of what you're talking
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about is just pure tone policing it's pure tone policing i i love your messaging andrew i think you're
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totally right everything you're saying is completely correct but if you use a different tone and kiss
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women's asses and package did in such a way that they thought you were kissing their ass they might
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be more responsive to it that's an opposition to what i want in society what that does is it curtails
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truth what that does is it makes it so that you can't actually deliver a message in its proper context
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its proper form because somebody might take offense that is the opposite of what conservatives should be
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doing and it is the opposite when you see conservatives doing that that you see work case in point
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donald j trump donald trump wasn't sugarcoating anything he called women ugly dogs he called women
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fat he called them obnoxious he called them all sorts of things and he's the president of the united
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states right now and women uh in lieu actually voted for him this time around so the thing is
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it's like all this pc politically correct woke fucking nonsense of andrew you must correct your tone
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because when i attack you i do it in a passive aggressive way and when you talk to me you talk to
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me directly uh i think it's bullshit it's nonsense i think you just take everything i say put it
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through a weird machine and then like spew it out and think i said something completely yeah i never
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said oh my god you're talking over me this is highlights exactly what i think strong woman
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this is what i think i think you just don't like women and that your desire for women's to this
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doesn't come from a place of you genuinely loving and caring about women and thinking that women are
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special you can read my heart the way that you're talking to me you think that i had to freak out
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and said your time i mean you won't let me get five words out it doesn't matter if i'm a woman or
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you're a man it's called a debate and a conversation and if you're not letting the other person get five
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words out it doesn't matter about our gender it matters i don't know why you think that's crazy for
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me to ask you to be quiet while i respond to something that you said or let me talk for
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10 seconds without jumping over me when we can only hear one person at once that's not and of
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course you attribute that to me being a woman freaking out but really just asking you to shut the
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fuck up for a second i'm gonna look right right i'm gonna like you're gonna hit me with i heart
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patriarchy until the patriarch until the people who you would consider patriarchs are speaking to you
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and then suddenly the patriarchy should be disrespected you should talk over it you should
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be able to do whatever the hell you want right so the second the second we come into this we find out
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that no your true nature is revealed very quickly it's just another entitled like tp usa girl right
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spewing a bunch of nonsense and trying to pretend that you're a conservative you're larping larping
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as a conservative covert feminism okay griper this is i mean we're talking about marriage right
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why are you calling me a griper because this is like you're everything you just said like
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i i literally it's just so obvious like do you want to re-watch what you just said you're telling me
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because i didn't because i asked you to be quiet while i was saying something because you wouldn't let me get
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a word out that means that i'm a fake feminist and because you're a man that i should shut up and
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just listen to everything you say and say yes sir absolutely i know a ton of leaders who are patriarchs
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who are much better men than you are and i don't know who you are personally but i'm saying as you're
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acting now i would never subscribe to you as a leader but that doesn't make me a feminist that makes
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me understanding of how great men can be and i don't think this is a shining example and i don't think
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everything you say is good actually i think strong men should lead us and if i had to make that choice
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about you i don't think i would be in favor of it but i think strong men protect women and they
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care about women and good luck to you this is actually perfect so the idea here is actually
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that you're the leader see so the idea here is wait a second wait a second i get to determine who
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leads who i get to determine where they lead them i get to make all those determinations after all
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andrew if you were some kind of leader i'd never follow you the idea here just moves into the regressive
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notion of feminism it is all the responsibility with none of the authority when authorities exercise
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the very first thing you do is rebel against it so very first thing you do is rebel against it and
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so the thing is it's like we can see this pattern over and over and over again with all of the larping
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conservative chicks first thing you do is call me a griper the hell does griper ideology have to
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do with andrew wilson's ideology nothing complete straw man right made up because you were looking for
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a way to insult me you didn't know what else to say so that's what you said okay griper it's like
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you're not trying to insult me by calling me an undercover feminist larping i just let you talk
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now i can't now i can't respond so anyway so so moving back into this yeah it just seems like
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total incomplete covert feminism it's exactly what i expect anytime i argue with one of the faux
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conservative babes online it's always the same thing the second you get to the heart of it it's we
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women should be protected women should be should have their asses kicked kissed right but men should have
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the responsibility with none of the authority so like here let me give you a demonstration of this
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if i'm wrong do you think women should vote yes should they be able to vote to send men to war
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you mean voting on a draft no just voting period if you vote i think women should be able to vote right
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yes yeah so send men and and uh are you eligible to be drafted i never registered for the draft but that
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is a position i know i that's a i know because the era never passed and that's a position i've held
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that as an american citizen who has a right to vote i think that women even though as a society i don't
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think it would be helpful to send women to war i understand my duty as an american that if america
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was in a war tomorrow and they said you're an american we need you to fight this is my country i want to
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defend it but you say that i'm attacking you but you called me a fake conservative you said i'm an
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undercover larp feminist what makes you think of them fake conservative what does that even mean i
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have ideologies how can i be a fake conservative when i've lived my life by the ideologies right now
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and how what made what that that if you say if you say for instance that there should be egalitarianism
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women should vote equal to men's vote but women cannot be drafted and thus can vote to send men
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off to war you're actually giving yourself a position of privilege in society that men do not have
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since this is the case that you that you accept that there's privilege that that uh women have
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that men on the other hand do not have you say for instance wait a second i think it's my duty to get
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drafted they're not going to send you to the front lines to fight it's ridiculous they never would
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our army would get crushed so that that doesn't even make any sense so you're pissed hang on hang
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on i'm almost done i just let you talk that's not okay that first of all it's not a conservative
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principle makes no sense at all right and again this is the idea of men responsibility absent
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authority absent authority it's still taking away authority if you really wanted men to be an
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authority why would you advocate women vote that makes no sense because i love voting and i think
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women should vote because you love voting because i'm an active member of society okay
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because i want to andrew because i want to well this is what i mean when you take what i say
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and you put it this is why i called you a grover too you don't think women should vote
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you take what i say and you put it through a ringer when i it's not conservative to say that i would
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defend my country if we went to war because i agree with the values of american values and i think that's
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worth defending if it were to come to war but at the same time i don't think women it's a mark of a
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good society where women and children are protected and they're not sent to the front lines like they're
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doing in ukraine right now there have been a lot of women who've been drafted there are situations
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like that that makes me a fake conservative yeah i don't think there's been not drafting they were
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asked they were trying to recruit women because they've been running so low on soldiers
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can you mute okay i okay i just knew tell me you know i just want to answer to my question
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if what's your question when you take everything i say and flip it around if you really want
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to have the authority and women to to be the followers and men the leaders men actually have the
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authority why do you advocate for women to vote can you actually tell me that is women not voting
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going to suddenly make is that going to take away every single woman from a powerful position in this
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entire country because we're talking reality we're not talking in floofy land where anything can happen
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right now why do you so why do you think women should not have the right to vote
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why do you think i just told you i just told you so if you advocate that men have the responsibility
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right but they don't have the authority which i think you're advocating for it's a progressive
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feminist viewpoint if it were true that you wanted men to have the authority right and the
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responsibility then you would advocate only they voted and not women can you actually give me an
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argument any argument at all for how that doesn't logically follow it doesn't line up with the original
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land owning and everything that was said in our constitution to provide voting rights the fact that
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women can own their own lands right now what women couldn't vote women i know and when we changed
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and gave women the right to vote i think that was a good thing i think it got more women involved and
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i think this ideology of yours and again why i called you a griper is because the majority of
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reason why far-right men do not want women to vote is because women tend to vote liberal i voted
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conservative across the board i voted republican in every election but i'm not going to defend my values
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that i know near and dear to my heart and the candidates that i've worked for including rob
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astorino i was on trump's team on his coalition of jewish voices across the board i've helped
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republican candidates get elected so i don't really care what you have to say whether you think i'm
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big or not that's not an argument can you can i actually get an actual argument from you here's
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the argument no that's my response to you and i actually want men to have authority authority and
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responsibility and women to follow that authority and not have responsibility why would you advocate women
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voted that makes no sense can you give me an actual argument the strongest response for this time is
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that the men right now you know the old saying where good times create strong men strong or whatever
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it is good times basically create weak men and i think we're in that time zone right now where if
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we were in the george washington are you gonna let me finish thank you go ahead go ahead if we were
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at a time where masculinity was very prevalent i think we this is a large issue where you have a
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sassy man apocalypse we don't have men understanding what it means to actually be men i think that if
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we were in a time zone where men were strong true leaders then we can go to that but when we have men
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out here who are soy boys they don't want to speak up they support abortion they think that they're
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they should just listen to whatever their wife should do they don't actually think that a woman has
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a value they think that the woman they should be a stay-at-home dad a lot of things like that i think
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at this point in society that if we just handed it over to the men the men are having a lot of
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problems too we can talk about lowering testosterone levels and everything across
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hiring levels of anxiety and depression across the board and i think it doesn't make me a fake
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conservative to say that i think there are good men male leaders out there much better than you could
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ever be and if you think you're compared to donald trump that's funny women need to lead
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women need to lead and usurp men's authority that was literally what you just
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i can't believe you said that i literally can't even believe grandpa's generation
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believe it bitch deborah deborah i'll let you respond there's been a we have a we'll get i'll
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let you guys get right back to it i promise i need to let a couple chats come we'll get right
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back to you donated two hundred dollars thank you when andrew asked the women to raise their hands if
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they think they're the prettiest you mumbled under your breath after making a face like you might raise
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your hand i am not going to half i believe that he's talking to me but what i said is that i'm not
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going to do that because i was raised with manners and i just think that it's not respectful to other
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people to boast about looks or try to say that you're better than anybody in a group even if that's
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a social experiment i just don't think that's respectful two hundred dollars thank you we can see
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your inflated ego of self you lead with nails and coloring because you are a pampered princess
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you enjoy standing on your soapbox and casting stones but you're the exact what you criticize
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there's one more coming after this but uh your quick response to that if you want
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i lived in the middle east i've survived rocket attacks i've survived drone attacks i have volunteered
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with widows and warriors and people who are amputees and victims of war across the world i i don't know
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that's my response kiss my ass all right uh winged winged underscore jaeger 93 donated two hundred
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dollars being a long time silent watcher of your content brian keep up the great work andrew spit
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that fire yeah i would like i would like just real quick and i'll move it right back to you but
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just so you know what you just said literally was that the reason that women need to vote is because
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we need to usurp authority from the men in society right now because they're too weak to have it that
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was your actual argument that that i can't actually believe it but you actually made that argument
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i wasn't listening to the first half i was making sure i wasn't well here i'll i'll go ahead and
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reiterate well okay hold on no no stop stop stop we can debate on piers morgan this is a dating podcast
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okay first off sounds like you're it sounds like you're scared i kind of let them stop it sounds
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like you are hold on now i need to address this bullshit here this woman's trying to accuse me of
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like i let it slide the first two times you were not fucking like chase mistakenly put a zen in your
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drink i i object to you trying to frame that even if as a joke that he was like trying to drug your
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drink now you're actually trying to there's like a little bit i was just checking have you ever had
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water that have you ever had fucking water that has some bubbles in it it's not bubbles it was just
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something on the top see after i poured water into her drink i poured some of it into mine too
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let me make a disclaimer absolutely ridiculous you would never drug anybody on the show i when i say zin
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i'm don't that's not like a way to drug people it was literally just somebody i poured i had a bottle
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of water next to me i poured some into yours then i poured some into mine there's nothing
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been weird it was a thing about him there was nothing disgusting accusation if you think i'm
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saying it like that then i'm sorry that you took it like that there was just some weird
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shit floating on the top and last time somebody accidentally spat in my cup so i wanted to double
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check that there was nothing in there and i wasn't even it's a trauma response it's a it's a
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costco there was shit floating in my cup it's not crazy to say what is that i don't think you're
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drugging me you're not that kind of person maybe you backwash maybe you backwash i hadn't drank in
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from it yet so that's why i was just it could have been shit in my cup it doesn't mean i don't know
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why you're getting so upset brian because you stopped the oh what's what's this and then you're
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saying but well before we continue let me make sure that no i didn't hear what he said drug my
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fucking drink i didn't say drug it i said i was looking what was in it because he was saying
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something and i couldn't just but i need to clear up the air that you're you're the implication here is that
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i don't think zin is drugging somebody and it's not there was no zin there was no implication that
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you put it in there it could have already been my cup there was just something floating at the
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top and you were sitting next to me so i said what do you think that is yeah even poured it in
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there i was just what is that here for the girls who saw me pour the water did you also after i
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poured the water into the cup no one thinks you poured anything in my cup brian it's that there
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was something floating it could have fallen from the sky i could have turned to her
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quick trauma response too far back it was literally just asking a hair could have been floating
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there i would say what do you think that is i don't think you poured it in there just the way
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you were framing it seemed i don't think i don't think that would well i'm sorry that if you felt
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that i don't think you would ever do that that's it was just don't you love apologies like that like
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i'm sorry you feel that way because i didn't mean it like that at all and i'm sorry if it offended you
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and that you thought that i framed you in that light because i wouldn't i don't think you would
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ever do that to anyone over even the the hint of an accusation like that so like i know for women
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you guys can just kind of like you live in la-la land because you have no fear of being falsely
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accused of anything but men's whole careers can be ruined by even the hint of a accusation
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so like yeah it's no big deal for you but for us men we take that really seriously i can
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understand case i didn't mean to interrupt that but if you guys want to continue well i just want
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out we can i want to close that out that i understand that i think that's horrible for the record
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nobody has ever drugged me or whatever tried to drug me on this somebody accidentally spit in my
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cup last time and i just was asking not because i thought you poured anything in it i just saw
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something floating in my cup that looked like dirt or whatever it might be and i didn't want to chug
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it if it was go get your own water next time like i was trying to do you a favor i was pouring
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your own fucking water just go get it had nothing to do with you pouring the water this is the most
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ridiculous thing i've ever heard in my life again i understand that men can be extra cautious about it
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and i won't make any more jokes about it but it wasn't even a joke i genuinely saw something
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floating in it and it had nothing to do with zins i just wanted to know and he was talking so i made
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a joke i don't know everybody's so fucking sensitive on this show but next topic next topic i'm not i'm
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not sensitive i i would just very quickly i'm almost almost i i mean i would i would just like a very
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quick answer to this i'm sensitive i'm gonna get a fresh glass of water before because i don't want
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anybody to be upset about anything so there's a glass of water i know but um apparently this is
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a bad water so i'm just how is it how is it a bad water wow now she just this is ridiculous now she's
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just gone and tossed the water there was nothing in there's there's nothing in your cup there's
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nothing in your cup can we by the way i trust you but let me just dump the water oh my god
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absurd never had this happen on the show let's do something else okay well you need to be very clear
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and like walk back and like just making an affirmative statement on this
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i'm not gonna allow myself to be falsely accused and i come to the next podcast
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there was bubbles of some sort not in concern of a drug way i saw a little fuzz piece floating in
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my cup and i turned to anyone normal and would go what is that it could have been from beforehand
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i just had curiosity and i did not mean to implicate that it had anything to do with you pouring me the
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water or any of your actions i was just asking anybody like i would hear what their humble opinion
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what that was and that's all and it's gone and i got fresh water not because i was concerned but
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because maybe there was dirt in my cup from when i first got the cup and i just wanted a clean cup
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now so there's that no one's jogging me nobody's doing anything it's cleared up and i'm sorry not
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that if you felt that way but i'm sorry if i framed you in that light because that was not my intention
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is that okay next topic yeah no we're yeah we're good i'll clear it up before i would just actually
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like an answer to this just just very briefly wait she said i want to make sure i'm not getting zinned
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again okay i'll be charitable you were making a joke um all right go ahead andrew i i would just i'd just
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like to finish this just because i i do want to know uh the i i want you to realize that the argument
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that you just made to me and this is why this is why i think that so many women who are in the
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position you are a covert feminist because the argument you made to me is that we can't turn
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the responsibility over to men for voting because they're too weak this in turn is actually saying
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that women need to have authority that's what your actual argument reduces to do you understand that
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no matter what i say you're just going to tell me what you think i am and what you think i know so i
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think that at this point it'd be best if we just moved along because you're clearly not genuine no my
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response is that whatever i say i could say the sky is blue you're like and she thinks the sky is
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freaking pink so i think it's better to just move on and involve the other guests who have been
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traveled here from far away to be a part of this conversation that was my response you can take it
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or you can cry about it you're not going to answer i think that everybody else is here to be a part of
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a dating conversation there are a lot of topics and situations that people came here to talk about
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we're already four hours into this podcast i think we've taken enough time from everybody else and
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we can do our own situation about this and it is to just answer the question that's my response
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if you don't like it that's on you so so you can't answer to the question of why you just said that
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women need to have authority like i don't know i don't know why you won't respond to that one at a
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later date or so like square up yeah if we want to have a one v one that's a we can definitely discuss
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that okay okay but here's the thing if that's the case then give us a date and hang on that's
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fair that's fair but can you actually commit right this second that you'll actually do the debate
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because here's what i think will happen i think that you'll say sure i'll do a debate and then the
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second you're off the show you'll back out in 15 seconds so can you make a firm commitment here
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on the whatever podcast you'll actually do a debate with me one v one i can make a firm commitment to
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you that i am that i am open to doing a debate to you we have to see what the logistics are but
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i would be open to debating you maybe i don't know i'm not on whatever podcast i leave la yeah
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i'll go to pierce morgan debate you there too it doesn't matter where
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that i mean we can be open to i i'll host i just don't live in california so
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i don't know where i live in michigan but i would fly out specifically to do a one
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v one the thing is it's like i just want a commitment an actual commitment you'll actually do
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everything depends on that yeah we can arrange for that the crucible wants to see it so
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all right um good talk guys that was really good all right date do you want to do a date or like
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maybe january january or something or oh you want to do january or um february probably closer to
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february because i have the inauguration and i have a ton of weddings in december
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and yeah closer to febs all right that was really cool we have a chat here from lucas
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uh 100 stop tone policing your message packaging sucks and has no rest your message no resonance with
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any patriarchal man i have no interest whatsoever in any form of whitewashed hypersanitized
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squishy gynocentric messaging messaging thank you lucas i do appreciate do you want to respond to
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lucas or okay lucas sounds good all right and okay this is below the threshold thank you for that man
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okay all right uh we're gonna get into the questionnaire finally finally get into the questionnaire here
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starting with cali cali you uh disagree so you said it's not fine or you disagree that it's fine to
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ask a woman her body count on the first date why is that i just think it's a weird question
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um i just i don't think it's it's relevant um i couldn't tell you my body count because i don't care
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that much like to ever have counted it in my head and held that as something that's important to me
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so and uh who else i think a few other people circled the that it's uh you disagree that it's
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fine to ask a woman her body count on the first date who else i disagree that's um very inappropriate
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to ask you know it's none of the men's business of what the woman does you also disagreed
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it does with her body you know tanya you also agree disagreed who's yes baby girl yeah i'm into
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the mic if you can and then deborah you also disagree i didn't disagree i half circled that
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because i think it was a little bit more nuanced i think it's valid for people who have a hard cut off
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like i personally have asked people that question on a second date a man because like i would never
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even not even marry i would never even go on a third date with somebody who had sex with more
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than like 50 women 100 women things like that so i totally respect on that front but i think the
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first date aspect to it is just a little strange because you don't really i mean maybe for you you
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know after a first date but i think usually after a first date you know if you like the person but to
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know if that's somebody that you really want to commit to and get to know when i think first date
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should be fun and light and like two hours and then the second date a little bit more serious so i just
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thought it was a little weird on the first date but i think it's a valid question and like i never
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asked my boyfriend my ex-boyfriend what his body can we've been together for six years because it
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doesn't matter what he did before me you know and and going to you uh so emily you also disagreed uh
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why do you disagree with that because same like if it happened before you i don't think it's necessarily
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your business as long as you're being like safe with it you know if they're asking for the concern of
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like stds that's why they want to know how many people you slept with you know what if it wasn't
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about stds then why is it your business you weren't part of the picture anything from here on out with
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you in the picture involves you but so your past doesn't matter yeah who who agrees with that past
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does not matter agree agree so you got would you guys date um i mean it depends what kind of past you
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have like you know if you're like a porn star then no i'm not well i was like not gonna date
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wait what but hold on if the man's a porn like if he was a previous porn yeah what's wrong with that
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then well because he's been with a lot of women i wouldn't feel safe so his body count well i just
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wouldn't feel safe with the guy who had a lot of like yeah but it's it's none of his business right
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or sorry none of your business right just because you're in porn doesn't mean you have a high body
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count there's usually isn't that what it does i know people that have higher body counts i mean
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they've never been in porn but that doesn't mean that porn not porn stars don't generally have sex
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with multiple people let me make this really simple do you think comparing the average male porn star
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to the average male who's going to have a higher body count typically a porn star but sometimes they're
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not it's not right but that's the exception yeah yeah yeah right okay yeah uh so okay um
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so past doesn't matter so let's say uh would you want to know if a pre a current partner ever cheated
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on somebody oh yeah obviously their past does matter all of a sudden and a little bit oh wait oh i got a
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really good question on this who just curious who said past doesn't matter it was you none of their
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business no body count is not their business but i definitely think like past exes past relationship
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behaviors like that yeah i got a perfect question for you uh so it was it just you two who have this
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position past shouldn't matter it doesn't matter yeah um would you date a guy who's had homosexual sex
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no why not because that would be kind of fruity right but okay and then would you date a man who's
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had sex i want a straight man yeah my preference is just a straight man no he's straight but he's had
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sex with a man that means he's not straight okay fine i'll i'll leave the grant he's bisexual
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no no my preference is not a bisexual man yeah but he he's met you he's no longer dating men anymore
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and he hasn't dated as long as he's not gonna go have sex with any other men no but he's been
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personal preference i would not it still wouldn't bother you and he changed his mind yeah like if you
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like macho man who are like curious so like a year before he dated you he was getting plowed in the
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ass by no okay at least you're honest yeah my preference would be no no but he he's done totally
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done with men still no yeah i just kind of maybe like wish he hadn't told me that because it's like
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okay so he told you it it's the truth of what happened would it be an issue um moving forward he's
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completely done with it then no would it give you the ick yeah so would you even date a guy like
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that i mean it's like is he thinking about me having sex with guys in the past that would give him
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the ick too just like don't think about that it has nothing to do with you no but i don't care about
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him i'm talking about you yeah i wouldn't think about it either as long as it's never going to
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happen again then i guess experiment once he decided he didn't like it okay so the way that y'all
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feel about you being with a man who fucked another man that's how we feel about you guys
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fucking other guys fucking other men all right what if someone lies about being closeted like they
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say they're completely straight but doesn't that make you fruity if you sorry repeat the question
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again i'll try to engage you okay okay for example i dated someone for like six months and they told
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me they were actually like i caught them in the act of sucking dick oh now like what do i think
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like i'm traumatized because i thought this guy was straight is that count as is that count as he
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slept with other men in the past or like and i'm at fault for that or is that his fault for not being
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honest i don't know um i just want a real man that doesn't do that stuff is that so hard to find
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nowadays but okay sounds like i need to go to therapy after this me too emily and deborah you guys
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said you disagree that men are the the thing is men are not insecure for caring about the woman's body
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count you both disagreed why is that i circled it you did circle it deborah i disagree meaning i do think
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he's insecure for caring about body count yeah i think i circled out too huh i disagree meaning i do
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think it's insecure to care about body count do you know what disagree means what was the statement
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men are not insecure for caring about the woman's body disagreeing means men are insecure yes yeah and
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i disagreed with that statement meaning men are insecure for worrying about body count right yes
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that's that's saying men aren't men are not why do you think that do you know the definition
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yeah she thinks men are insecure for it yeah i disagree with the statement meaning yes men are
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insecure for thinking that for being concerned about that okay right yes okay okay all right
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i guess i also circled it but not for the same reason i don't think insecure is the right word for it
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necessarily i i don't think it makes them insecure i just think i don't know why i disagree with that
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i just feel like insecure is a weird word to use to describe that i think both people partners in
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a relationship should have some level of concern at all or they don't that's fine and then they would
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be a good match for each other but i think it's very normal and healthy to have some concern about
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that what for bonding you know because it makes it harder to bond with people but insecure is just not
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i wouldn't call a man insecure for being concerned uh and why are men insecure if they care about the
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woman's body count because like i said why is that any of your business like you weren't part of the
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picture maybe if you came into my life sooner i met the love of my life i wouldn't have gone around
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sleeping with this guy that guy would you say that you don't think it's fair like would it not be
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fair for a guy you tell him your body count and he because of your body count he doesn't want to date you
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would that be unfair i think that would be insecure insecure so i don't think it's unfair because
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people have their preferences okay but he would he would be insecure um yeah because why does
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me being with other men before you're even there like bother you so much are you trying to
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well it wouldn't it be a mark of security so if the idea is that a person has uh boundaries and
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preferences and they're willing to enforce those preferences it seems like it's the most secure
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thing you can do but you can't like base someone's behavior from when they're a single like let that
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affect how they would act when you're in a relationship because that's when i'm single
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i wouldn't go sleep around with random people when i'm in a relationship well i mean actually the
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best predictor for future behavior is past behavior so i mean being single you can say my
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past behavior in relationships who's the psychology degree person me yeah this is actually like a
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like a psychological but you can't compare someone being single to them
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being in a relationship they act two different people i mean i agree with this point i don't
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think you're making a bad point that uh people can reform and all different sorts of things i'm not
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even i'm not even disagreeing with that i'm only disagreeing about one point which is the idea of
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insecurity if you have boundaries on what your preferences are and you're not willing to compromise
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on those boundaries doesn't that show security not insecurity i feel like you should be secure
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with your partner knowing that they're with you in the present moment and moving forward they
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wouldn't repeat the past that doesn't answer my question but i feel like it's double standards
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let me repeat the question so i make sure that you understand the question
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if you have boundaries and you enforce those boundaries right how is that not a sign of security
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it is insecure to be concerned over something superficial that didn't involve you and would not be repeated
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with this new bond that you're involved in why would you let external factors affect something like a
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whole different situation i think it's insecure to worry about it's kind of like don't worry about
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things that are out of your control type of thing like it's kind of insecure to be thinking about what
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they're doing when you weren't in the picture isn't it insecure to try to make a person compromise on
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their boundaries for your benefit no because then that's just preference if they don't need to be with
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me i said i would respect if a man didn't want to be with me because of my yeah but but what would
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make that instant yeah but the the point here is because why are you so worried about what i did
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before you like why does that affect you because you're because you're enforcing your preference
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you're enforcing your preference and your boundaries and so if you enforce your preference and boundaries
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that seems like it's a sign of a secure person an insecure person would be somebody who would
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compromise on their own boundaries right but an insecure person is someone who's even concerned about that
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it's like calling a woman insecure for saying like oh why are you liking her photos on instagram
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but me being secure is me respecting my relationship boundaries like you shouldn't be liking all these
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women's pictures okay well let's but they're going to call me insecure for getting upset over them is
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it insecure to not like let's say that you really loved the chick he thought she was great and then
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he found out she had genital herpes and so you said okay i'm going to end this relationship because
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i don't want to be with somebody who has genital herpes is that insecurity no no that's that's
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bringing a health concern but it happened before it happened before right had nothing had nothing
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that is something that affects your present partner that is a health concern but all the other hookups
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before if you never caught anything none of that affects your current partner and you did it safely
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then it shouldn't really matter yeah sure it's a it's a health it's a health concern right but it still
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conflates to preference so some people's preferences this health concern wouldn't bother them
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for other people the health concern would bother them they're just enforcing their preference right
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well it's just my preference to not have my boyfriend following girls but some people are
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going to say that's insecure for not letting him interact with yeah i understand that some people
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would say that i'm not i'm not saying that it's an insecurity that you have boundaries and because
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you have boundaries you're willing to enforce them that's not insecure that seems like it's a sign of
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being secure insecure seems to me like a person who's willing to wane on their boundaries
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or in some way throw them out the window that seems like a sign of insecurity
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i think insecurity is more not feeling secure enough in your relationship to not be worried
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about those external factors if you were secure enough you wouldn't be worried about who your
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partner was with before you or who your partner is interacting with online if you're secure enough
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with all that i think it is insecure to be worried about those superficial things that do not concern you
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present might i jump in really quick uh do you think a man would be insecure if he didn't want
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to date a woman because she had a body count of a hundred no wait can you repeat that but what does
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that have to do with him this is totally this is totally central to the conversation oh no no oh wait
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you were answering it what does that have to do with him yeah so okay just so we're clear there there
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would be no cause and i'll i'll even grant you that there's no stds involved somehow she's she's
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played russian roulette with her pussy still didn't get an std a thousand men she's been with a thousand
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men before him still insecure as long as she's not still talking to those men or the nothing's gonna
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happen ten thousand he's damn she's she's been with ten thousand men before him still insecure
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what is there to complain about though like is her coochie loose is she concerned is it
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affecting your health like exactly what what is the problem that's just a matter of like i'll tell
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you i'll tell you possession and trying to objectify someone and be like oh you're like
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worthless to me when you've been experienced by other people you you're like stalking who he's
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following you're that's present that's present moment but what happened before it doesn't matter
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i bet you still get jealous of the chicks he used to fuck me personally yes i'm insecure i can admit
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that okay but i would admit that it's an insecure for a man too what yeah but why why would it be
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insecure if like uh you do realize that men have a revolt factor in them right and for good reason
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they have a revolt factor for good reason the idea being that uh the less the less men that a woman has
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been with the more likely that you can secure paternity right so this is the idea the idea is
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that uh until modern modern times in paternity tests the only way you could determine if a child was
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yours is if a woman exclusively was having sex with you right there's there was no other way to
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determine that so it's it's wired into men to have a revolt factor to a woman's promiscuous behavior
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right it's so it's actually wired in so if that's the case right then the premise here is hey
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they find it revolting why why would it be a sign of insecurity to to you know for some reason do
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the thing you thought was revolting that's it just seems the opposite to me but isn't it also like
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biologically ingrained in women to like find a provider and such like that yes yes i think so so
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so you would think that they would tailor if they wanted a provider and they knew that men generally tend
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to find higher body counts to be revolting if women were moving towards that you would think that
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they would keep their body counts low on purpose right like that makes sense doesn't it yeah yeah
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but not all men care about that type of stuff and so well that's true not all do not all do but but
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but the type of men that you would probably want probably care about that kind of stuff right
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exactly yeah but then there's a type of men who care about what the woman's body count is but
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totally dismisses what his own body count and that's what the worst that's because women tend
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to not care about that at all in fact it's the opposite it's very bizarre um and this this has
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always been a strange phenomenon to me but i've actually seen men who are virgins in their 30s get
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shamed by women and told well wait there must be actually something wrong with you if other women
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don't desire you they're like there must be something wrong with you i've actually seen that
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uh but i don't really see that phenomenon in reverse which is strange
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like men definitely desire women who have no body count like they definitely desire that but on
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the every guy wants a virgin don't seem to give a shit too much about a man's body count
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i don't know some men like their women a little seasoned maybe they're a little more experienced
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but most of men just want a virgin like so you guys just go they 15 year old then it hasn't done
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like what why wait wait i don't understand why they why they're not weird for a 40 year old to be
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a virgin because my brother's a 40 year old and he's a virgin so yeah i think a lot of women would
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see that as a body count and i have a brother who's a virgin he's 40. what about them i find that kind of
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weird okay yeah exactly that makes sense well that makes sense right i think that most women would say
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that's weird that's weird that's odd that's strange that he's 40 and a virgin right that
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this actually is making my point for me and so what does she do immediately she's like oh well if
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you want a virgin go find a 15 year what does you what does the big 15 have to do with their virginity
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like all of this all of that is just a straight up shaming tactic it's it's all shaming tactic to just
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tell a man it's inappropriate for you to not want a woman with a high body count so that's just insane
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and actually it's interesting like the 40 year old male virgin is like a lot of women as like the
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women that would date them in terms of like you know respective age or whatever the women in that
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age range that's gonna probably be a big red flag for vast majority of women but like somehow there's
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a 40 year old virgin woman i would argue that she's going to be pretty highly coveted by a lot of men
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in her own age range they're gonna be like whoa that's rare like a unicorn dude's gonna be looked
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as a weirdo right yeah dude's yeah dude's gonna be like that's super weird uh so it depends on the
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reason too like i would be like why are you a virgin at 40 because he lives with his mom he plays video
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games okay um that's different go out and dating life or something do something do you get in bed so
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i personally don't find it like any problem with a virgin man at all
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but at like 40 i would ask like i said i would ask that is sex yeah right but but that's the whole
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key right there is like you would ask because you think it's weird right you would ask because you
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think it's weird i mean that's unusual for sure because he could just be like really religious and
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he just hasn't found the girl i don't know and that's cute i love that yeah also you think it's
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weird is the point that i'm trying to make the fact that you even think it's odd to begin with
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is is showing this kind of distinction uh which we're looking at which is that definitely
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um men are seem to be very happy with women with low body counts and seem to prefer it
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if they can get one uh whereas whereas women don't seem to care nearly as much about men having
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a higher body count and i've you know this could have something to do with the penetrative nature
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of it i'm not exactly sure why but that does seem to be the case i mean i disagree i personally do
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care like about my man's body count i feel like it's super important for me to know especially
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because sex is such a like a spiritual thing that in my eyes i feel like you should only share with
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one person even though i know you guys probably disagree with that but that's just the reason why
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i would like probably care i would care well i i agree with you that there's many individual
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women many individual women that would care about this and there's just like uh but but if we're
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talking about the wide scope of women uh generally speaking they don't seem to care as much about it
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as men care about it i guess that's the the point that i'm after not that individual women don't care
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about it because i know tons that do a quick question for you uh you said that i don't know if you said
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some men or a lot of men they prefer their women more seasoned so like more sexually experienced
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yeah some of them but yeah i mean so they like to date strippers only fans girls yeah those guys are
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degenerates but um so i guess my question to you is do you think like realistically speaking
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do you think when it comes to the sexual experience component uh well i suppose men would like you know
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a woman who is quote unquote good in bed although uh if you're a man and you know how to you have
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some degree of sexual experience you can have a pretty stellar sexual experience with an inexperienced
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woman or even a virgin um do you think most men like if the trade-off is she's a bit she's marginally
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better in the bedroom or even much better in the bedroom but this this entails that she's
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fucked 20 additional men before me do you think most men make that trade-off
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i don't think they think about that like oh she's better in bed oh she's probably
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fucked more people like it could be she's been in a natural relationship oh but yeah but you gotta like
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yes i agree with in fact i may argue this point all the time a woman who has a low body count who's been
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and you've what two relationships right two long-term relationships she's probably better
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in bed than the woman who's had a hundred one-night stands with a hundred different men and only one
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men one time i can agree with that because of my relationship so this idea that the higher the
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body count she's going to be better in bed i doesn't really compute necessarily because she could
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have had just a bunch of one night stands i said there's some correlation but your whole statement
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i don't know why you bring that up because your whole statement here is we're talking about women
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with higher body counts and your position is your argument for like oh men would prefer a
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woman with a higher body count is because she's more seasoned in other words more sexual experience
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yeah it's like kind of frustrating like i don't know i'm not saying it's causation necessarily
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sleeping with more people makes you better in bed but i'm saying that it gives you more experiences
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like maybe that person's more open sexually they'd be down to have threesomes they'd be down to go to
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orgies with you whereas a virgin maybe a virgin would not be as open to those sexual experiences
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but why would why would a guy who's already why would a guy who is already um screening for
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low body count women why would he want to know i said a woman i said a woman i said guys who prefer
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a seasoned woman you said why would guys prefer a seasoned woman if necessarily they aren't better
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in bed i'm saying maybe their sexual preferences and what they're open to so they're a cuck no you
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said he wants to bring his girl to an orgy no i said let other men fuck her like being with a
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stripper i'd say she might be more open to using sex toys trying role play trying threesomes but if
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you were to fuck a virgin maybe she'd be kind of more closed off to those things that's what i mean
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by more this complicated procedure um look it's different for everyone but again i'll ask the
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question again because you didn't even give me an answer so the question is do you think most men do
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you think most men if they get a woman who's a bit better in bed the trade-off being that she's
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fucked 20 other dudes do you think they most men make that trade-off
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what what trade-off is happening they're okay with her fucking 20 more people because she's better
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in bed how can i ask you a question how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning
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lightheaded okay um so okay she took that she took that round right
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i are just i could repeat myself i don't know if that will help you understand well what what do
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you mean by trade-off though he's okay with her fucking 20 more people because she's a little bit
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better in bed okay so you're saying i think no matter how how she gets good in bed is none of your
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concern just be fucking grateful that she's with you and she's fucking you good whether she slept
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with 20 men before you or one guy for a long time like in my case but okay so
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you're saying your position is that body count doesn't matter and one of the benefits of a woman
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who has more sex who has more bought a higher body count is she's more seasoned she has more sexual
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experience and this is going to lead to conceivably better sex so i'm asking you do you think most men
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are willing to make that trade-off of the woman is better in bed therefore i will accept a woman with
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a higher body count because she's better in bed yeah some guy wants a certified eater who will make him
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nut in five seconds or do he want the unexperienced girl who takes an hour to get him off like it's just
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it doesn't since when is it women who like y'all oh my god okay um
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so yeah there's men there's like some coomer fucking degen men i yeah i guess who would prefer that
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um do you think most men who like want a girlfriend do you think that those men who have a girlfriend
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and if the the girlfriend is not like up to par sexually although it's something that can be
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worked on and communicated and talked of he would be like you know what i just wish you came better
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experienced already and the entailment of that is that you've had an additional 20 sexual partners
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do they make the trade-off no because like i said it's not causation higher bodies does not equal
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better in bed it's your position your position it oh my god bro your position is that a woman with a
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higher body count is more seasoned no all i said was it doesn't matter how she became good in bed
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that's none of your concern that should not be a judgment of character that should not be
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a defining factor in your relationship i feel like because like i said if there's no health
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concern if there's no loyalty concern then what is the concern it's a matter of like objectifying
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someone feeling like they're less worthy because they've experienced more that's just not a good
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way to value someone um because they've been with more people like what you said it's objective i i agree
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that sex is like spiritual connections i'm not the type to just sleep around with anybody either like
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but some people choose to do that with their bodies so that doesn't make them any less of a person or
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any it makes them less worthy worthy of being a girlfriend or less loyal in a relationship no it
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doesn't yes i think somebody i'm a yes somebody who has a high body count is going to be deemed less
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desirable in the sexual marketplace sorry this is this is a metric by which men determine whether they
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want to be with a woman some men but in the end at the end of the day if she never tells you how
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would you ever know like that really okay at the end of the day if she doesn't tell you that doesn't
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change anything in your relationship that doesn't make yes it does any better or less it does not
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make the love any more or less it does not make her and she's a liar yes it changes more or less
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promiscuous or loyal in a relationship response because that has nothing to do with the relationship or
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that specific person okay cool so respond to this you just said if she doesn't tell you
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okay so if i ask her and she lies about it no i'm saying that it's not the end of the world because
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that's not a determining factor it doesn't change anything physically in the relationship yeah she
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lied about it you said you said if she doesn't know i'm saying at the end of the day if you never knew
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what her body count is what does that change in your relationship i can actually look i'll even give
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you a scenario where this could be an issue so woman who has more connections with men
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albeit this is kind of like uh one of the more like niche arguments that can be made a woman who's
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made more connections with men it's inevitable that she's landed on a fucking crazy dude and if you're
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involved with a crazy fucking ex then that's an issue for me that can be for girls who don't sleep
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around with people who have just poor taste in men or just experienced bad men in their life that
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doesn't equate to high body count either huh that doesn't equate to high body count people can
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have crazy exes not necessarily but you think the virgin woman who's never had a long-term
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she can be with an abusive man you gotta stop interrupting the virgin woman who do you think
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is more likely to have done the the roulette until she's landed on a crazy fuck the chick who's
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fucked 100 dudes or the virgin who what if the virgin has only ever encountered the one horrible
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crazy abusive man i can't argue with somebody who just immediately every time goes to like the
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exception to the rule i just can't even have a conversation maybe a virgin wouldn't know her
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self-worth or like what else is out there in the dating field to pick better men and the virgin
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is the one who ends up with those crazy exes because they don't have those sexual encounters
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okay sounds like me wow that actually makes sounds like me i mean from the from brian's perspective
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basically you're just saying that the virgin should go out and have sex with more men so
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that she doesn't end up inexperienced with men she's not having sex with that's what your argument
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there would reduce to wait you or me me you yeah oh wait what were you saying so what i look i guess
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what what are acceptable metrics that men are allowed to disqualify a woman on them
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their past relationships have you cheated on your past partners when you're in like a loyal committed
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exclusive relationship like have you gone through their phone or you know have you been cheated on
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those are i feel like determining factors of like past trauma future behaviors in relationships and like
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telltale signs of like loyalty and such but you shouldn't what is considered toxic to you
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controlling yeah like um not being respectful of like your opinions and your feelings and your
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well-being but if your boyfriend was going through your phone and make an argument with you every
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time he found a new girl on your phone wouldn't you actually like get pissed off oh yeah yeah my past
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relationship was toxic and that's why my ex broke up with me i'm fully aware of that okay okay and i
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know i have baggage that needs to be healed i'm not dodging accountability last question on this um
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do you think that it would be wrong for a guy to not want to date an ex sex worker it's not wrong
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i think that's just preference too but it's in her past right
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yeah so i stopped doing it yeah he should be open to the idea of like she's a changed person as long
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as she won't do that to you it's shouldn't matter what happened in her past it was just her way of
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making money you know it's not her being disloyal to you or disrespecting you and it won't happen again
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okay well uh let's see let's get into more of uh the uh questionnaire stuff uh women should go 50 50
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on a date bridget you disagreed amelia you disagreed uh emily also disagree especially on a first date
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that's crazy i think deborah disagree tanya also disagree what's crazy um that i'm going on a first
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date the girl has to be expected to pay 50 50 of the date that you're inviting her on so it's like
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if you're inviting me out to a date why do i have to pay if you're the one initiating this
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so whoever asked should pay yeah have you ever asked a guy out on a date no interesting how that
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works but i would but i would i'm not like saying oh i would never pay or anything like no i have
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paid for um for guys i have bought them stuff i have been like in that role but i also enjoy on
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the first date or like you're five years into a relationship i've never five years in a relationship
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i've never like a first date like offer like oh i'm gonna take care of it don't worry like you have
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or you have not i have not and i don't think i would i want to see if he's a provider or not if he's
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actually a man because those are like the the roles of a man am i wrong uh well okay let's i'm
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interested in going into should claims on this so just show of hands going around the table should
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men pay for the first date should should for the first yeah into the mics guys yes yes yes yes deborah
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yes yes i don't agree uh should should women cook and clean yes i do uh should women be submissive
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yes if the man is leading correctly the woman should be submissive should women um
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hmm should women shall be submissive demonstrate chastity wait what should women be virgins be
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virgins yeah yeah yes how many any virgins at the table me okay i'm a born again virgin born
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again virgin go ahead andrew i was just asking you said if men are leading properly they should be
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submissive who's going to determine that the man is leading properly does it not say in the torah or
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bible or wherever you want to reference it as that a woman should submit to a husband who is worthy
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and loyal and provider biblical value it is because i'm i'm very religious that a man should and that's
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what i was saying beforehand where i stand by what i said that this generation not for many reasons not
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only their fault things that came before them the what it means i don't want to speak for men but
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overall i think if there has been a decline on both sides of gender roles and this is by design
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in our society to take away gender roles and say that there's no difference between a man and a woman
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which i vehemently disagree with and overall i think that men should be worthy leaders there's a lot
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of crazy men just like there's a lot of crazy women but do you have your phone yeah did you not
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hear the instructions to not be on your phone i never put it back after i showed you what's that
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i just didn't go back over there okay that's fine go ahead the picture sorry deborah good no it's fine
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just i mean i stand by what i said which i think that what it comes down to a man who can provide
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protect and show that he is a strong leader absolutely deserves a woman who can trust him and
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this is i think a big misalignment within society where i think deep down women really do want to
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submit to men they want to be able as we say in girl world just turn your brain off when you're on
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a date you don't be in your feminine power where you're walking and you can really and what i said
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with the sourdough and nails and stuff like that clearly you don't understand jokes but that's just
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my style when it comes to speaking i think embracing your femininity women because we've been
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pushed into the workforce and had to unconsciously or unwillingly take on a lot of the male roles
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like being the provider being the protectors things of that nature has led women to not
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be able to embrace their femininity and so i think in a good relationship a man will be able to embrace
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and flourish in his masculinity and the same with the woman and whatever that means being a homekeeper
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being a matriarch being a really soft landing space for her husband to land on and a good mother
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providing that environment okay so my follow-up question to you would just be this then if that is
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the case and and this is what you believe if you if you actually wanted men to have the authority
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inside of society and the responsibility why would you advocate that women could vote because i think
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you keep deleting the most important part of this which is that not every single man right now and at
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large there is a lack of strong fathers there's a lot of things that lead into and this is not only a
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male problem there's a female problem too there are a lot of factors that lead into men this is
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like the man or the bear question if we get to that that i think not every man right now just being a
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man doesn't inherently make you worthy of being a leader i think that you have to show that you
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are a leader and this is true across the history of the world every single uh shepherd in the torah
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in the original book was chosen for a lot of their specific qualities there's a reason why those men
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were chosen to be leaders same with donald trump there may be other men who share similar qualities
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to him but there's a reason why he was chose to lead as opposed to any random guy that you can maybe
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find on the side of the street in la who's cat calling women i think that men who are worthy and
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live up to what it means to be leaders and protectors and also have kind hearts not softies but just overall
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good men in my definition of it i think those men are worth leading and i don't think just because
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you're a man that automatically makes you a perfect amazing leader we've seen that throughout all of
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society so how is this argument not actually contradictory because you're saying essentially
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that you need to reduce men's authority because um because you don't think that they're in a good
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position to lead women you don't think that men in society are good enough leaders and since they're
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not good enough leaders you need to have authority so that when did i say and sorry to cut you off
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but i'm saying this is what this is when did i say any of that explaining i'm explaining this is a
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this is an illogical entailment of your argument if you say to me when i i'm advocating that women
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be able to vote because there's too many men in society who if we give authority to are going to lead
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me wrong then you're actually saying that you need to have authority so that you can determine who's
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a leader who isn't a leader that actually is stripping authority away from men like this is the
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logical entailment i don't see a way around it no i think you're just taking it how you take it
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which no matter how i say you're just interpreting it and saying what you want to say i've said a
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million times logical what's illogical about what i'm saying i didn't say the word illogical you keep
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taking what i say and then just changing what i'm saying and then saying so you're saying this and
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then when i say no i didn't say that when did i say we should take power away from men when did i say
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that we should take power away from men when did i say that once i'm showing you an entail i'm
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showing you the entailment of the logic here i'll literally break down really really simple here
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i'll show you so so premise one i don't need you to show me i need you to tell me when i said that
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because i'm saying what i say and you're telling me what you think i genuinely believe and you still
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won't address the point but he can talk over me whenever he wants but then if i talk over him
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it's because i'm a woman who wants to have men removed from society look i've moderated andrew tonight
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you got to let them finish how many times can you tell me what i think i said and what i think
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i mean i'm really just gonna keep saying that though okay stop just go ahead andrew so it's just
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it's just like this just premise one men need to lead okay premise two in order for men to lead
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they need to have authority premise three women need to vote premise four why this why why do
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women need to vote they need to vote because men aren't adequately leading so women need to have
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authority that's the entire syllogism so then the conclusion is men are not capable of leading so
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women need to have authority so that they can pick the men that need to lead them so it's actually
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stripping authority away from men i don't i don't know a way around that like i'm literally and you
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still haven't addressed again that was not what i said i didn't say men need to lead i said they should
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lead ideal men ideally men should be the leaders of society but i don't think you still won't address
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15 times over you're telling me what you think i said but you won't address the one point which is
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there has been a decline in what it means to be a man in terms of masculinity in terms of chivalry
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everything like that across the board there has been a decline so if you agree with me that men
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are not and this isn't only a male thing but just speaking about men as leaders that men at large there
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has been a decline of what men's role in society has been what they feel to be a man and all of that
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combined means that right now it doesn't mean we should take authority away from men it's the one thing you
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won't address is that i think we as a society as women as men as americans as whatever should work
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towards getting back to a place where men and women are more strong and embrace their femininity and
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their masculinity and i think that will lead us to a better place where women who can embrace their
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femininity will naturally approach matriarchy they will naturally say wait maybe you know what i
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actually don't love my corporate job i know a lot of women who have convinced themselves that
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being powerful and that they need to work for 30 years and make a million dollars and then they'll
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have kids in their 40s and then i personally don't agree with that and i think that if we as a society
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get back to a place where originally women were not expected to be in the workforce things of that
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nature then men hopefully can recover and whatever that means to them and masculinity can become
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something that means more to them and is not seen as like talk i'm not done toxic masculinity all of that
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stuff i'm almost done you can wait all that toxic masculinity stuff has taught men are to feel bad
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about themselves and not embrace their masculinity so i think the most important part of this is not
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stripping away power from men or saying women are better to lead i think we need to focus on fixing
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that issue whether it's through strong fatherhood whether it's through stopping this idea that
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everybody's saying toxic masculinity anytime a man wants to actually act like a man opening the door for
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a woman and a woman gets offended i think moving away from that as a society will get us to a place
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where men at large will be better equipped to lead society and it doesn't mean that right now i'm not
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saying if i really meant it i would say it i'm not having any secret arguments i'm saying what i mean
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which is the step one i think ideally men should be the leaders and the step to get there is to fix
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masculinity that's what i'm saying so here so to address you keep saying i want to address this
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argument but the argument was my premise so the thing is is when you say okay but you haven't addressed
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what's going on with men in society and the lower testosterone and the fact that they're not leading
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as well but i actually did there was a premise of my original argument which is the reason that you
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see a failure in uh men in society is because they have all the responsibility without the authority
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they have the responsibility absent the authority but i say okay so how do we fix that how do we fix the
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idea here that you have additional responsibilities without authority that your your premise here is well we
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need to move back to all of these things which are preambles to women voting by the way that all
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these things that you're pointing to this is pre-women suffrage and so i go okay well that makes
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sense so then why is it then that you would say that men right who have this additional responsibility
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as leaders right you wouldn't want them to have the authority to exercise that responsibility
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that seems like it's ultimately what you want what's going on is you have an actual internal conflict
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here the the conflict is i want to be a strong empowered woman while at the same time advocating
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that there's a patriarchy it's like you can't have both you don't know that hang on hang on i
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hang on either the patriarchy is empowered with the authority to lead or it is not and if you say it's not
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empowered with the authority to lead women need to be able to select the leaders you have a matriarchy
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then not a patriarchy you're how you have a second class that has additional responsibilities women
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don't have but have a limited amount of authority or equal authority to women that's the opposite of
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patriarchy it makes no sense you i just don't understand what position or where you're coming
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from where you consistently think that you know what i actually feel i'm having an internal conflict
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you don't know anything about my values before the show maybe you follow me i don't know no you're not
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listening to what i'm saying you're saying the opposite of what i say every single time and that's
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why it's just so frustrating i have an internal conflict because i want to be an empowered
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woman you're pushing what you clearly don't like about women onto me somebody that you clearly
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don't know much about or my path you can happily look through my social media to your arguments and
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based off of that you are saying that i am clearly a secret feminist who is wants to be an empowered
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women woman finally said it right for everybody else but you're telling me that based off absolutely
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what nothing absolutely nothing i'm showing you logic no that's not logic that is you trying to
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push what you think about women onto me trying to catch me in something you're a logical position
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when have i what have i said or what have i displayed throughout my life that shows that i
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want to be an empowered woman where men are on the sidelines and don't have power you are advocating
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that women vote if you advocate women vote the entailment is women have authority well women can
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vote hang on hang on i'm answering your question so if the entailment is that women have authority
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an equal authority to men that's not a patriarchy it's the opposite of a patriarchy that's no longer
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a patriarchy so if men have additional responsibility right but they only have equal
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authority then they don't have the authority to lead they don't have the authority to lead because
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you can negate their authority anytime you want that's the entailment of your logic when you say what
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have i displayed in my personal life has nothing to do with the logic of your argument it's an illogical
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argument makes no sense either you want men and a patriarchy so you want men to have the
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authority to lead and the responsibility thereof or you don't but you can't say but i need to be
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equal with them in political status for them to lead that's the opposite of your own position makes
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no sense no i don't live in a fantasy world i live in the current world where women do have the
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right to vote and if you are advocating for women be losing the right to vote that is something
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that i don't agree with and i don't know why you think women shouldn't vote if i think men should
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lead us right now it's not an option in front of me should women not have the right to vote
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women have the right to vote this isn't the 1800s like a lot of people want us to go back to
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apparently this is modern history and if you're asking me if i would repeal this no i would
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absolutely not if i think in an ideal society men should be the leaders of society yes but i don't
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understand why you think you're catching me to lead how do i want them to leave without authority to lead
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how well why do you think that the you said it yourself that the only reason the downfall of
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masculinity and all this stuff is because men don't have the authority to exercise their leadership
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that's the only reason that men and masculinity has declined that's ridiculous i think that's
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ridiculous listen it's not all the all the things that you would consider like if i told you to point
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to a time where you thought men were strong leaders you'd point the greatest generation that my grandpa
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didn't stop you would you would you would point to pre-suffrage if i asked you when were men better
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men you'd point to pre-suffrage if i asked you any of these things you'd point to pre-suffrage how do you
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know you haven't asked me this is exactly what you've been doing the whole time you have this
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idea when were men better men tell me yeah this answer men better men i'm asking you you want me
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to ask you i'm asking you when we're but this is why it's just not even like i could go back and
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forth with you but everything i've said this entire time i give you a solid answer and you flip it and
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say well you think this you think that because you're just trying to men were men better men
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just answer please you won't you want to answer you're not going to answer because it doesn't
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matter what i answer to you you think you know what i believe and you're going to tell me what i
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actually think despite every other question you've asked me you've had the same reaction
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and so i just don't think there's any point of me telling you something because whatever i say
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you brought it up and so i've said a thousand times what i think and you keep telling me i'm
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on undercover this i really think this or that you a question when okay nice i just when when
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were men better men can you answer the question i don't know why we need to like do a bunch of
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emotional outbursts can you just emotional outbursts you called me a covert feminist saying
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all these personal attacks because i said what that i think women should be giving you decorative
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statements of fact i haven't personally attacked you at all so the thing is is like just just very
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quickly can you just tell me when you think men were better men well what's the time period i'm
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not going to of course not of course not right okay can i do it i can't i can't force her to engage in
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the uh conversation but uh deborah while we uh get through your uh your notes here um
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so and we'll get that we'll get everybody on the panel here uh what would you want the
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minimum yearly income to be for your future husband i wrote this on the chart i said 200
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000 i'm from new york city so that's a pretty that's not like a crazy number i think in smaller
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cities you could have less but in new york i think you need to make at least 150 000 to live comfortably
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between taxes and everything so i think that's a good starting salary where you can be comfortable
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even on a single income if i would have the pleasure of being a stay-at-home mom one day all
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right you also said uh or actually let me let this come through before
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meet the kaiser donated two hundred dollars thank you kaiser dating is hard every time the one girl
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at the beginning that i say hey she seems nice she's cute always ends up being the one in a thumbnail
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with andrew the next day this is the kaiser's curse the one girl at the beginning uh oh okay uh
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kaiser thank you so much for the tts man i do appreciate it and uh i'll let the other chats come
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through in a bit but uh so how tall are you deborah and what's the minimum height of a man that you
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would date i am five foot nine and the minimum height for me would be six feet because i am six
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feet in heels but i have the longest relationship i've ever been in he was actually like five nine
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and a half because i really do believe in like i'm just one of those people that i can think people
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are cute when i meet them but i eventually actually get feelings based off their personality and who they
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are okay uh and then i want to it'd be nice to get everybody back seated at the table here for this
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one but uh i want to get into the bear thing so but not everybody's here so i have to wait uh while
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while we're waiting i will let some chats come through we have lucas who's fed you this delusion
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based on the generally stated metrics i fall in the top five percent i guarantee you that my wife's
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past sexual temperance was a huge litmus test for me marrying her it's a monster ick for us do you have
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a response to this well i'm glad that that's your determining factor for who you marry can you take
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the water off the table please uh and then we have beaten cheeks he says i have an idea how about
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grifting feminist conservatives like deb stop trying to be argumentative show some respect perhaps
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you'll be taken serious lower your entitled standards then you'll be happy do you want to respond to
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beaten cheeks you spelled respect wrong wrong how dare you beat and you've i just think it's funny that
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people will always try and say oh you're an undercover feminist like haters not genuine people
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people say you're a feminist you're a fake conservative it's always the extreme far right
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people who say this because maybe i don't share the exact same version of conservatism as they do and
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that doesn't change anything about me i just think it's a dumb argument because look at my record across
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the board i have been doing amazing things for the conservative movement for republican candidates in
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this country for conservative values in my community and across the world at large so i mean i just don't
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get personally offended by anybody who doesn't know me saying things about me because that's what being
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social media person is all about people think they know yeah i happen to actually have a book here
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he has a book guys it's crazy you can read the secret history of women's liberation written by a
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um well a wonderful academic um but she goes over the roots of feminism and the contrary positions
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that feminists will often take and one of the contrary positions which we were just discussing
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that freaks you out so badly that so you get so emotional you can't even have a coherent conversation
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about it but what she she's trying to demonstrate is that most of the problems in modernity that you're
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speaking about are tied to the suffrage movement themselves and she makes a very compelling case for
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this i suggest you pick up her book it's called occult feminism the secret history of women's
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liberation it's very good you called me a misandrist but you clearly just get off on putting women down
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and that's what i just think is silly about this whole situation i've been trying to have a reasonable
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discussion with you and you've been freaking out the entire time this is exactly like i just i think
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you're showing your true colors in this sense where what i said in the beginning still stands true
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you're trying you're an emotional woman you're this you're freaking out when you've had the same
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response to me and you are so proud to make a woman cry and tell her yeah you should be crying
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even though i you don't think she should i think the situation was a very bad situation but i don't
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think oh trying to make somebody cry you want to make the horrific people no i think that that's a
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bad act but i think as a person who wants to represent godly values just going out of your way to
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make somebody cry and be proud of that is not a thing to be proud of i think you can get your
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point across and have somebody come to the light in other ways and if that makes me a fake conservative
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that i don't think i should go out of my way to attack people with my words that i can use my
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words to change their mind and their heart she has a man she has a man sleeping in a bed on her
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floor defender harder go ahead i've never defended it the whole time we had a conversation about that
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i said multiple things are you gonna let me talk do you see every time i talk you talk over me but
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then when you talk i have to shut up you talk five times as much as me calm down tell me to calm down
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please thank you i did you can't be like i'm just going to filibuster the conversation talk for 20
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minutes and you can have 30 seconds andrew it's ridiculous i've listened to you and i've caught
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myself it's like relax you could just have the conversation without freaking out it's not any
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other things you want to say to a woman like that off again cutting me off again you definitely
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don't need to defend the horrible acts of horrible people i'm not defending i'm condemning you for the
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way you deliver that i'm not defending your acts whatsoever i said straight up that having a child
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in that environment is repeating the cycle this is me free okay here i'll move the conversation on
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okay guys look i mean can i just get a point out like you know can i just get a point out can i just
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get a point out stop freaking out buddy babe just take a breath just take a chill just relax it's okay
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you don't have to be so emotional it's fine it's okay just don't freak out just smoke your cigs and
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take a beat just smoke your cigs and take a beat okay yeah i'm just saying you don't have to defend
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horrible people it's okay it's not necessary it's okay you're okay andrew as somebody with autism i'm
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very offended yeah very i'm deep i'm very triggered andrew how dare you use that put your order i mean
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do you think the filibustering the combo is a good look it's not a good look he called you a no he didn't
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no he said you were spurging out he didn't say you were asperger's or autistic that just really
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shows how godly you are do you have autism though do you think i have no i'm not i'm not i'm not
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coming for you deborah i'm just i'm asking if you do like it's not an attack i i'm probably autistic
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she got that dog this is a point i'm trying to get commonality i'm trying to get like no we don't
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have autism in common even if we have autism we're still awful people all right guys we're gonna move it
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on we're gonna move it on i yeah uh so okay what uh the bear we gotta do the bear guys we're doing
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the bear uh maybe i'll just she's in the oh my god bro everybody's coming up okay uh how about before
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i come to the bear i'm gonna get to other people's um so what would you want the minimum yearly income
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to be for your future husband um i mean can you tilt your mic down just a bit
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i mean i would say i don't care um yeah do you you want to get married maybe you don't
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i'm not sure right now i'm still in the process of getting divorced so you know give me some time
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okay uh okay we're gonna come back to that we'll go right to into the bear now so going around the
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table starting with deborah would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest
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i love this question um especially when it was all over social media i thought there was a lot
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of funny tiktoks i wrote the bear i thought about it long and hard um i think it's just the white
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woman in me that i really do believe i could tame the bear honestly and that or at least hide from
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it and i thought it's a joke don't don't cry it's a joke it's okay i i joke sometimes i like comedy
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but i don't know why you're still freaking out it just shows a face okay so i overall i think
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anybody i saw in the forest i would be scared for my life if i was alone in the forest a man or a
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woman and i'd rather see an animal because that's where they live and then i can hide from it but i
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think it's a silly question and it's funny so you'd pick the bear though i i do pick the bear because
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that's where it lives and it's not crazy to be like why is there a bear in the forest but if you're
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alone in the woods and you see another man or woman walking i'd be like wait why are they here
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too that's conceivably the same reason you are to go for a walk in the woods oh i thought i was like
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trapped in the far i thought i don't know i guess i assume this question is like you're lost in the
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forest well the way i worded it here in the questionnaire it just says would you rather cross
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paths with a man or a bear in the forest this doesn't there there are no implications as to the
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reasons why anybody's in the forest there are no there's no uh suggestions that the man is a
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criminal he could be a criminal he could not he could be a murderer he could not the bear could be
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uh non-threatening the bear could also want to kill you so i don't know why i assumed on my own that i
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was like trapped in the forest like in the movie or in the show alone where you're just like lost in
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the woods if i was just on a walking path definitely a man over a bear i would say hello i'm a very social
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person but you said you've heard this question before you've seen all the media even then you still
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pick bear no at that point i guess there was just a lot of you wrote bear i and you said bear
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because i thought the question was like if you're lost in the woods stranded i don't know why i thought
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that i think that's what a lot of the social media videos were about i didn't pay they were like if
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you're lost in the woods would you rather run into a bear or a man i was thinking about it like that
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i lost in the woods yes i guess i just didn't read this clear enough oh i've never heard it phrased like
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you're lost in the woods because if you're lost in the woods i'm assuming you can't get out so
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wouldn't you want to run into like a man in the hopes of like he can oh it's this way well that's
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what the argument is about that would you rather if like let's say you're lost in the woods and you
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needed help would you rather run into a bear where you would have a threat or a man because men can do
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things they might help you but they also might you know what i'll let everybody sure i'll let everybody
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answer uh going around the table would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear whatever you
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responded into the questionnaire just say man man man is that what you wrote in the yeah i mean i want
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to come across you did say man okay what about you bear bear uh what about you bear all right what about
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you i said bear but i took the question exactly how she did so i would change it to a man okay and then
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bear bear uh so those of you who said bear going around again uh why do you pick bear and why do
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you not pick the man why don't we start with deborah you already provided some explanation but if you
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want to add anything go ahead but yeah i'll just quickly add honestly i didn't read it close enough
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i should have i'm not close enough i just don't understand the context of it even using yes okay but
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so why do you pick bear and why don't you pick man is this if i'm trapped in the forest or if i'm just
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taking a leisurely walk um even so even if you're not trapped in the forest you always pick man
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yeah i don't want to be killed by a bear if i'm in like a safe environment on a walking path i
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wouldn't be scared to see a man in the forest but i think overall women the question why this
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originally came to light is because can you really trust just a random man in the forest who might have
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be a psychopath or a murderer or any of these things let's just stick with the bear okay let's
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just whatever what is it are you walking or trapped uh
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i choose the bear do you get why my lodges why that makes sense logically like if i'm trapped in
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the forest i think i have good survival skills and i grew up very outdoorsy urban new york i live in
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manhattan but i grew up we have a outdoor survival skills yes my family go to montana's in the summer
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we learned how to build clay pigeons i went to sleepaway camp i learned how to sail from like
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five years old and up horseback riding okay why just quick answer if you can why do you pick bear
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why don't you pick man yeah you oh um i would not pick a why i wouldn't pick either sorry sorry
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why do you pick bear why don't you pick the man i would pick a bear because if i'm trapped i'm sorry
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i'm not trying to be annoying i'm just trying to understand the question so i could give a real
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answer if i'm trapped i genuinely mean what i said where i've been in nature a lot in montana and the
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forest and everything bears for the most part unless you upset them or you do something you can kind of
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just chill out they're not going to just necessarily go after you and the reason i didn't pick a man is
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because i feel like anybody outside of homesteaders who are just hanging out in the middle of the
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woods would see me and be like yo she would be a really good person to trap in my house but then
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they'd be like she talks a lot so i don't know if i want to keep her so there's that you can yap
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your way out i do out of the abduction i guess uh what about you uh my logic was i have a better
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chance of fighting a man than a bear oh wait so sorry um who picked bear just show of hands again
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okay so it's boom boom boom i took boom yeah okay uh why do you pick bear why don't you pick men
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um because there was like this one rhyme about how to survive when you encounter like each color bear
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like a white bear black bear brown bear i don't remember how it goes i'm gonna have to refresh my
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memory before i go out into the woods but it was it was like oh for one bear you gotta like make
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yourself look big for one of the bears you should make yourself look small or like be still as
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possible and for one of the bears you just run so i think knowing those kind of ground rules would
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help me survive and like you said it's a bear's natural habitat like i'm the one disturbing its
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peace so i would just leave it alone but a male you know you can be essayed they have all these
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different torture methods in their head that probably a bear wouldn't conjure up or access to
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these different weapons sure so okay um could be essayed could be murdered totally get it what about
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you okay so i would pick the bear because i used to live in lake arrowhead and i see bears all the
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time and if you don't bother bother them they're not going to do anything to you and i would not pick
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a man because uh of my horrible experiences with men my first grade um third grade crush he had intentions
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of going to the mountains to um army and then emmy and it was just like third grade no like i met him
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in third grade he was my first and then 10 years later we reconnected and i don't know his hidden
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agenda and this is a guy that i knew so imagine a random man that i don't know too if he had that
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intention to do that to me what's a random man gonna see a pretty girl in the forest okay walking around
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so all right so like the the man could essay or could murder you okay uh what about you why uh
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why don't you or why do you pick bear why don't you pick man um i pick the bear because i definitely
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have bear spray if i'm in the woods so i come prepared which would conceivably be just as effective
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on a man but um i don't know the man's intentions i know the bear's intentions
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i like that who who would be able to charge you faster a man or a bear um i mean probably
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the bear but i mean so wouldn't the bear spray be just as effective on the man i would still choose
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the bear okay and so um so i didn't mean to interrupt you though uh you were explaining why
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you picked the bear why don't you pick the man uh you were mentioning you had bear spray what else
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i don't know the man's intentions why is he in the woods what's he doing there sure why am i walking
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across him yeah so just um i would feel more scared seeing a man than a bear and the fear there would
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be he could potentially essay you he could murder you is that yeah i mean i don't i don't know his
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intentions right but those that's the concern i'm assuming right yeah okay um and then if i do change
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the the question a little bit i don't know if this will elicit a different response
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uh you randomly spawn in the forest you then like survivor they just drop me off just engage
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you randomly spawn in the forest uh hold on okay you randomly spawn in the forest
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in front of you two buttons also randomly spawn you can pick a random man to spawn or you can
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pick a random bear to spawn you will cross paths with either one it's not like there you will cross
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paths does that change your answer at all i would choose the man then really yeah i feel like you
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know it's not like it's random if i'm choosing you know and if i'm just dropped off there um and it's
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not like i would have bear spray you know handy if i expect to encounter a bear yeah but you wouldn't
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have the bear spray for the man either yeah but it's different it's randomly spawned right it's not like
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someone's just there waiting and i just stumble upon them this is the context of the conversation
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anything for you or no still i mean i've encountered bears multiple times so still there still there
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okay um i think it changed for me a little bit because then also it's not like what are you doing
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in the woods we can make like friendship over the fact we both just spawned you know it is interesting
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that how like you frame a question even by just changing it slightly can change people's answers i mean
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this is actually really common with studies and why i think these like survey studies are actually
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bullshit because you can like change one word like you can even change a totally benign non-relevant word
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in a study and you'll get a different response from people but um anyways back to the point at hand
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uh if you had to um let oh sorry go ahead yeah so it is it would almost occur to me though those of you
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who like kind of change your answer wouldn't like wouldn't there be a bigger fear for the button push
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because like you say why is the man there in the forest but i kind of feel like there would be more
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reason for him being in the forest that seems benign versus like you ran like you randomly spawned the guy
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like the guy in the forest is probably just going on a hike or some shit i don't know i don't know
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i just have trauma for men i think people do things also when nobody's looking that's what creates it
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like when people are in private environments that's why a lot of essays happen and close doors go out
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so let me let me get through a couple more things here um so your concern you guys's concern is like
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the risk of essay and the risk that they physically harm you murder you whatever um what what percentage
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of men do you think would be like what percentage of men do you think would do this to you
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thirty percent thirty percent okay what about you and ninety percent because i had it almost
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happened to me ninety percent okay like twenty twenty percent and then deborah what percent like 15 ish
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15 so that was uh i'm sorry did you said 20 30 30 excuse me so it's 30 90 20 and then 15.
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okay i'm just curious for uh you guys have any male siblings do you have a brother how many brothers
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do you have i have one older brother okay um do you have a brother i have two brothers okay um are you
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prepared to say that 90 of your male family members including cousins would essay or no i think
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there's like a small percentage of men that will do that but not not counting my family because you
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said it was 90 of them yeah well my chances were 90 i missed it by an hour that happened to me in the
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forest with a man that i knew that i i liked first no but you said 90 of men so this would have to oh
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actually i i retract that statement sorry so i guess it's a small percentage of men that would do that
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what percent maybe five percent then oh now that i've thrown your 90 of your family under the
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yeah i was like no but it made more sense 30 of your male family members uh are grapists or murderers
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um most of them are dead but i mean i was almost essayed by a family member when i was three so
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yeah okay and then going to you uh 20 of your family members are inclined to grape or murder
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not my family just like the general population like 20 of all men what makes your family so much
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superior well because i haven't experienced anything like that with my family members i was just thinking
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of the general population of men okay and deborah are you willing to throw 15 of your family members
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not because of this i knew this question was coming next i still thought 15 when i said it was a little
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bit grand but i was also thinking about society at large but no definitely not in my family they're very
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much value protecting women being strong men making sure like i said and then also on this
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uh does it change for anybody here if it's 10 men versus 10 bears wait sorry what was that 10 men
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versus 10 bears so awkward to see in a forest does that change at the same time for the bear 10 men at
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the same time yeah 10 men together 10 bears together and you cross paths with them i'd rather see 10 men
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does that change anything for you maybe i still stick with yeah i need a second to process
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i still stick with bears still stick with bear what about you i don't know either well do you need
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time or deborah i'm thinking if they're good men then men if they're not good men then bears
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are they how big is the island sorry what you said are they boy scouts
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random men it's just random men then yeah out of the population i think the men would be better
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because if like i gave with my number i think it's a very small percentage of men in society who really
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have that within them to take advantage of a woman and overpower her and i do think given it's 10 men
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hopefully the majority of them are good men like the kind of guys who hold their friends in check and
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that are like don't do that you need to treat her better so i'd like to think that with 10 men there'd be
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at least the majority of them would be good men and keep the peace hopefully if you were in the
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position where you guys had to choose for somebody else in this case your daughter you're not choosing
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for you but instead you're choosing your daughter's spawned into a forest with a random man or random
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bear would your answer change no yes yes yes my answer would not change so wait you would change from
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man i don't know i i really well if it's a fee i would say female bear oh well i'd say female bears yeah
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because animals tend to be more protective over children innocent children there's been stories
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of like children falling in zoos and gorillas pick them up and take care of them so i don't know bears
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though yeah there's just like oh i really quick on that i feel really quick on that um okay zoo
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enclosure would you prefer your daughter to fall in the gorilla enclosure or the human male
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gorilla harambe all day harambe you know i don't know i guess it goes the intention of the bear or
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the fucking human yeah whatever i i don't i guess they could go either way i i don't there's not
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bad intentions people do it's my daughter a man because i don't think she could outrun a bear
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does this not highlight the difference in society though that yeah you have to think about it and that
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men if they were put in this they would never think twice about being put with 10 women or 10
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bears give me the girls all day long maybe maybe does that not speak to how women and men maybe i
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would choose the men i just think it's all intention but you would you you would change your answer to
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bear chair i know i'm so indecisive yes i would like to say i would like to say men but it's because
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animals don't have bad intentions and people do and we'll do some whack things in nature
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i know my child can't outsmart herself people are okay guys guys on the panel just one second real
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quick uh jerry one what were you saying i was saying if it's between you know my three-year-old
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being in the woods coming upon a man or a bear i would choose the man because you know why do you
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think that the man would not if you if you think that uh you have the high likelihood that a man would
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essay you or do something horrible to you uh why is it that you think you wouldn't do that to her
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um i think it would be more likely for me because i'm a woman she's a child so i think he would be
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more opted to protect her unless he's a poe so so if so if it if you had to choose on behalf of
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somebody else well let's say your daughter was 17 would you make the same decision she'd be better off
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with the bear at that point so you would spawn her in with the bear rather than a random man
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yes so assuming for all everybody in the panel if you do you have a 17 year old daughter and you
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have to choose would your would your answer change from bear to man those of you who selected bear
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no no still because that almost happened to me i was 17 so why would that happen to her
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yeah if you were in an argument with your significant other and the two of you had to choose
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for some reason that if she spawned in with a man or the bear and he said the man and you said the
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bear would you default to his judgment yes no no okay i can make that yes because i trust him if
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i'm married to him gotcha okay i'm gonna have experience what's that so i'm going off experiences
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that i've had so i'm not saying all men are the same but it's like how many bears have you seen a
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lot actually living in the garrowhead and i know like how many like five like i can that were like
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in close encounter with me too like yeah so and they didn't do anything but walked the other way
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i went to trash cans valid question mom's amazed at how many women who answer this on the bear
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question i love this claims of how of how many bears they've seen i mean i go to the wilderness
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constantly i have my entire life i've been a hunter my essentially my entire adulthood and uh i've only
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ever had actually two random bear encounters and in totality and i mean i'm out all the time in
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country which is bear country where do you live so the maybe analogies attracted to me
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all over the u.s but uh right now i'm in michigan um and uh yeah definitely tons of black bears in
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michigan especially in the grounds i hunt and it's like very rarely do you ever come across them but
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somehow the women who answered to this question seem to have seen significantly more bears than i
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have i have so many videos like go ahead i went to camp in pennsylvania right in front of me i went
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to camp in pennsylvania and the bears would eat the trash every single week like literally multiple times
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a week and so there was always bear stuff so we had to learn very young like what to do with bears i
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feel like they're pretty common in pennsylvania all over and the east coast they're common for me
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yeah they're common they're common at campgrounds especially when there's garbage around and stuff
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like that i agree with that but random encounters in the forest are they're pretty rare right they're
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pretty you know i spent six months out in the wilderness in like high school and i never once
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encountered a bear i encountered all kinds of different things but never like a random bear just
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popped up out of nowhere i saw an elk and a bear in montana pretty common all right together
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no but like a few minutes apart elks are huge i've never seen anything they are
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i see them all the time washington chase uh you brought up double standards earlier and this
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does fall into line with one of the questionnaire questions not hypocritical for high body count
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men to prefer to date low body count or virgin women uh deborah you disagreed
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we disagreed i think i messed up on that one okay that's fine um not hypocritical for high
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body count men yeah i think it's fair i think that's totally valid i don't know why i circled that
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sorry callie you did disagree i think that was fair too it works by ways yeah amelia you disagreed on
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that actually i didn't understand the question emily you also disagree okay you did also disagree emily
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nothing for honestly katarina you did not uh disagree on anything tanya disagreed
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yeah so um it was like double standard right you think it's a double standard like if a guy with high
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body count he would prefer to date a woman with a low body count or virgin
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uh sorry yes what's wrong with that oh let me hold on before i have you answer i'm gonna let
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that go through and then we'll get right back to it practicing gentleman donated two hundred dollars
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if it was a starved bear or an evil man and both were fully intent on making sure you had a bad day
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with nothing happening being the best outcome which do you think you could escape from easier
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if it was a starved bear and an evil man and both were fully intent on making sure you had that day
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oh god maybe an evil man happening being the best outcome yeah so the intentionality this is a really
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good phrasing of this so now we know the intention the bear wants to eat your face and the man wants to
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eat your face so both of them definitely have really want you to have the worst day of your
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life spawned in and you can choose between them does your answer change then biologically a bear would
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be 10 times stronger 10 times faster and 10 times more aggressive than an evil man i can gadget
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eyes out and or like try to fight for my life but i can't really fight for my life with a bear
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so it'll be harder change anything for you do i have the bear spray if i have the bear let's just
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say in both cases you have the bear spray i would choose the bear you think i'm a bear yeah well if
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he can't fucking see he can't find me uh yeah i think i'd still choose the bear how how fast can
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bears run still bear deborah fast um no it would probably be a man because i don't know where
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bear parts are to kick them in honestly it'd be kind of hard to gadget's eyes out when they're so
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big so and i could be taller than the man which is very likely because i'm very tall a bear no chance
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no chance with the bear uh so going back to the double standard question though uh not hypocritical
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for high bod count uh men to prefer to date low body count virgin women uh you disagreed i think maybe
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you disagreed callie yeah you did um what what would actually be wrong with like a guy who's got
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a high body count preferring today the low body count woman or a virgin well or what makes it
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hypocritical i guess yeah i wouldn't i mean right preference is just preference but i think it's
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hypocritical because practice what you preach so if you think that you know your partner should
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have less partners then you should have less partners as well that's hypocritical okay and then
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i'll respond to that but uh emily what about you yeah i agree verbatim and then same thing i was
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trying to get up yeah i also i think now i realized i did mean to circle that question yeah you didn't
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see that yeah me too that's fine you're the minority here please speak on this one yeah oh yeah well i mean
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i guess you know a lot of you also kind of simultaneously uh circled women uh should go 50 or you
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disagree that women should go 50 50 on first dates why is it that women are allowed to hold men to
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standards that they themselves would not you know uphold themselves for example if your position is
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men should pay for first dates wouldn't you be hypocritical for saying that for like the other
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person should pay for the first date wouldn't that make you yeah i mean i didn't hold that position
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okay well but the other a lot of the other women here said men should pay for first dates women
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chinaco 50 50 so why is it that if a man desires a trait in a partner that he doesn't himself possess
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why are women allowed to do this very thing with like the myriad of traits that they desire in men but
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they don't possess themselves i'll give you more examples besides just women wanting men to pay for
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first dates but you guys won't pay for a first date ever so how about you want a guy who's taller than
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you but you're not tall you want a guy who's funny but you're not funny you want a guy who's charismatic
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but you're not charismatic you want a guy to lead but you're not a leader you want a guy to be dominant
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but you're not dominant you want a guy to be masculine but you're not masculine the reality is
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is that there's all kinds of asymmetries when it comes to dating but you guys are totally fine with the
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asymmetries that benefit you but when there's an asymmetry that doesn't benefit you you'll frequently
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you'll just say that's a double standard can i respond to that sure i think that that is the
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obvious like the most obvious not non-argument i guess in a sense where those are all traits that
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you listed being funny being not funny things of that those are traits characteristics but
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characteristics but sexual partners is choices that you make every single time and there are
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health risks associated with it is chastity a choice or sorry not excuse me is chastity a trait
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is being virgin being a virgin a trait yeah it's a virtue i mean it's definitely the people that
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hold that with their life near and dear i think waiting till marriage is absolutely a trait and
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that's why if you wanted that's something not a trait i think it's a value not a trait i think
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that's a value hold on so you're saying that uh the amount of sexual partners you've had that is
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what decisions and choices wait so i can't no like if you choose to have sex with 100 women
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that was your choice to make every single time but if you're funny like i don't think you can
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choose to be funny or not or things of that nature you can't choose to be taller what is someone's
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choice to do or not do something what does that have to do with the argument because you can have
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values those traits if you want somebody who doesn't match your trait that's different than not
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matching your values if i say i'm funny or i'm not i think i'm funny hold on i have to interrupt you
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deborah you said that the you want a guy with a to make a minimum income of 200 000 that's a choice
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he's taking specific actions yeah i think that's a choice that benefits himself but i i think making
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money you it's just just so i understand the argument the argument is men are not allowed to
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disqualify women based on women's choices no it's not they can only disqualify based on traits no i
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think you can totally disqualify in anything you want because it's your partner that you're looking
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for but when it comes to just the body count alone or not the body count but a man who has had multiple
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sexual partners why does he want a woman with less sexual partners is it because he values the fact
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that a woman is not promiscuous because that's different and those are different values if you
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yourself are no offense anybody here but if you're filming only fans and you're saying i want somebody
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who's a religious god-fearing christian that's not those are choices that you're both making but i
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don't think it's fair or normal to expect that and so in the same way it depends on the value behind it
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i think having a high number of sexual partners corresponds with your values and therefore i don't
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think it's as simple as i want somebody taller than me or things like that but when it comes to
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splitting the money i so wait let's try help me categorize this so promiscuity is not a trait
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it's a value no i think it can be a permit being sexually promiscuous i think can definitely be a
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trait that people have there's also people that go through phases where like they might be celibate and
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then i don't know or they like abstain from sex i think every if you have a let's say you've had sex
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with 100 women i think every single time even when you got to 75 you chose to keep going that's
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your individual choice to make something that's a immutable characteristic like your height i think
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those are things that you didn't necessarily you didn't choose those you were born like that so
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if you want somebody who's taller than you i think that's so your argument is it's better to
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reject people because of things that are out of their control versus things that are in their
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control no the opposite i think it's valid you just said you said yeah valid to not date a guy
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because of his height not valid if a guy doesn't want to date a woman because she's slept with 100
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men you know i'm saying the exact opposite i think that's exactly what you're saying no i was saying
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that if somebody wants somebody's height things that they can't change those aren't choices that
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you let me let me hold on you confuse me by saying that i don't i don't agree with that i'm not saying
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that i think that there's a major difference between somebody who has a high level of sexual
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partners that situation than there is between somebody being funny tall let me change it then
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fine i'll move it off of immutable characteristics so um a man who how about this would you disagree
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with me that there are plenty of broke women who would love to date a billionaire no i don't disagree
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at all okay i think okay hold on but is that a is that hypocritical for the woman who's broke
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to find rich men attractive not attractive but to only want them because of the value of the
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financial value i do think that's incredibly hypocritical they've made poor financial choices
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their entire life and then just expecting a man to take care of them because they're lazy and they
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don't work then that's not fair i don't think that would make them hypocritical yeah that's not how's
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that hypocrisy because a person who made poor financial choices their whole life and then is expecting
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somebody who made good financial choices well i don't know if hypocritical would be the right word
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but i don't think that's valid like i don't think it would be fair for somebody who was dirt broke
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living on the side of the street to think that they were a perfect or they deserve somebody
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you know so but hold on so i want a commitment from you tonight on the show unless you're willing to
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just be a hypocrite you are from here on out you're only allowed to date a man who makes the
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exact same amount of money as you you you can't go above you can't go above otherwise you're a
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hypocrite why can't i go above i hold on you can't go but yeah because because because if you go ten
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dollars above right let's just say you only went ten dollars above you're only going to date a man who
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made ten dollars more than you made right then if we extend that out what would actually be the
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problem with a poor woman right going after a rich man there wouldn't be any problem right you're just
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all you're doing is just it's just a matter of degrees at that point would you date a billionaire
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yes would you date a billionaire probably that's really hypocritical of you you're not a billionaire
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you don't know what my bank account looks like i'm not a billionaire but i am a reverse financially
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yeah you're not a billionaire i'm not a billionaire i would love to be a billionaire but i am
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thank god very financially literate i i'm a hustler and i love to work
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yeah so i can i can expect that from my partner as well right yeah can i have some cash i can do
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some charity work is it is it non-profit deductible what charity are you right well you know i'm i'm
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going through some legal things so if you want to like help out you know help out your big labia
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matters go get your purse he's saying he wants a sugar mama you brought me out you want a sugar mama
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i brought you out here to hustle you out of your money i think i mean i've been a sugar mama to my
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boyfriend before so i can just expect the same thing back i think that somebody who makes certain
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choices in life in this in a sense it aligns with their values and so get your caps so for somebody
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who makes good financial decisions do the money's good i think they can learn from somebody who is
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even better or more successful than them in the same way where let's say i have an aspiration sorry
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to be a comedian my ex-wife was actually a comedian maybe he made me funnier things like
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that can i ask you a question yes did you play any sports in school or anything i did uh like but
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did you ever play at the professional level or in college no no well i don't know if college is
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professional but um would you would you date a professional athlete i would it's a trick question
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because it's not a trick question no i think professional for the just the job title of it like
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somebody was a professional athlete because that's their passion yes but i know that people in
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spotlights athletes things of that are in worlds where there's a lot of temptation i don't think
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it's like dating a dj to me i don't think that would perfectly align with me you'll never it wouldn't
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be ideal for me i would rather somebody a little bit more behind the scenes or at least less in a
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major thing where they're flying across the world with their team and all that stuff that's just a
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personal preference of mine but like i would i think it's important for my partner to be athletic or
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a better example for you brian health i am obsessed with working out cold plunging wellness everything
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about that living a very healthy lifestyle i would never marry somebody or even date somebody who did
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not value health that is a huge important value to me and whether they were extremely overweight or
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just really unhealthy um that's a huge turnoff to me and that's something that it's a choice but it's
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also i guess there for me i guess the point i'm trying to make is that when it comes back to like
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this hypocrisy thing so i don't think there's anything wrong with a man who has a high high
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body count who wants to date a woman with a low body count or a virgin simply because one i think
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there's asymmetry between what men and women want and then secondly it's just look women all the time
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chase after men who possess a myriad of traits behaviors perhaps they have a you know they've accrued
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certain things in their life whether material or otherwise that they themselves do not possess i
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don't think that makes women hypocrites i don't think it makes men hypocrites when they do the same
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thing yeah and i think i think people get actually confused about what hypocrisy means so hypocrisy is
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not saying i have no money but want to date a person with money it's saying i have no money i want to date
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a person with money but you who has no money should not try to date a person with money that would be
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hypocrisy so so people get this really very skewed idea of what being hypocritical even is it's uh
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i don't understand that either but they they seem to so it's not hypocrisy to say i have a high body
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count want a person with a low body count it would be hypocrisy to say but you as a person with a high
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body count should not want a person with a low body count that would then be what would make it
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any pushback by the way well just like how women you guys think women lose value they actually teach
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you guys in college i'd like to know like what how what do they teach what like what do they teach
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in college i'm just starting college so i couldn't say that women for him to put down i really
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i don't i don't like that i didn't put down women i put down colleges
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but he put down the call just starting college teach a lot of stupid i could not say but the girls
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who got their degrees they can probably answer that question better like why is like why is
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like every time there's any any pushback to anything that means andrew hates women like just
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stop with the feminism you're such a hater andrew such a hater okay andrew always says even if it
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was a man he would say the same thing but i don't see any men in these chairs but just how like you
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guys think well i mean you but you will often if you go to whatever podcast and watch me debate them
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in the studio which i do all the time i've actually never seen any of those videos you should go watch
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them they're quite good i should actually you should become a fan of the whatever i think there's
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more successful people in college or more successful people that didn't go to college
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even break i think uh okay you disagree with adult age gap relationships example a 30 year old
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dating a 19 year old callie you disagree wait i'm sorry amelia disagree a 30 year old dating 19
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year old yeah emily disagree with age gap tanya you disagree with age gap relationships
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any 30 year old looking to have a relationship with a 19 year old that's just weird why because
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she's super young and you just want to take advantage of her really because you have no life
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experiences to um conduct herself in that relationship if you're doing something wrong
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to her she doesn't think it's normal her brain isn't done developing why do you want her that's
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weird she's like a little kid still you mean she's in a okay so should uh 18 year old women
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not be allowed to vote i mean if they weren't allowed then why is that a law when you're 18
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you're able to vote well why is it a law that the age of consent is 18 so they can they can have a
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consensual relationship 30 year olds have more experience obviously in the dating world than 19
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year olds like that me for example when i did a 20 year old i shouldn't really when i was 17 because
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i didn't have life experiences or anything to like say oh this is wrong what he's doing to me
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talking about adult relationships here okay well that's what i'm saying like a 19 year old wouldn't
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know how to be with an adult like that what do you mean i don't know i feel like she'd be too young
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she wouldn't know how to conduct herself really you said take advantage of i mean like of her mindset
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because she doesn't know yet you don't think a 20 year old could take advantage of another 20 year old
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yeah sorry to interrupt it was great being on with all you guys i have to leave you knew i had a
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heart out i stayed almost an hour before this i literally wrote you a note and i texted you about it
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for the show i have a two hour plus drive back to la alone in the dark it was great being on with
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you follow me on instagram the debra leah thanks everybody it was beautiful having brian would never
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hurt a fly never oh thank you thank you debra appreciate it thank you for coming have a good
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night get home safely love it was nice meeting you nice to meet you debra have a good day all right
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yep uh so anyways uh so i guess uh what's your position kind of um my position is it seems that
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man wants an apprentice he doesn't want an equal or a partner do women want equals to be equal yes
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you just heard a table full of women saying they don't want to pay for first dates they don't want
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to take any initiative they don't ask just the first date after that they can get 50 50 and the
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relationship like just let's hear from the other people emily what's your objection to uh age gap
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relationships um did i put like a little swivel on that one maybe you underlined it i mean yeah i
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think just like within reasonable range okay 30 to 19 yeah no i think like too much of a discrepancy
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and maturity level makes that an issue but there are some really mature like 20 year olds you know
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people are mothers at that young age they've experienced different levels of life than maybe
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another 20 year old so it just depends does it give you the ick um a little it depends on how they
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met i guess if it's kind of like it seems like they're praying or grooming them then yeah that's a
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problem but in what way would they be praying like what is what does that mean to pray like oh waiting
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until they turn 18 or 19 or a reasonable let's assume they met when uh this woman was already an
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adult so there's not like yeah if it's genuine genuine connection genuine experience getting to
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know each other then yeah sure okay and then you disagreed why do you disagree on this with someone
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that was 12 years older for nine years but yeah to each of their own like jay-z beyonce are 12 years
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apart it works sometimes now do you want to just scoot into the table maybe permanently so you can be
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on the microphone and yeah i don't have to remind you for the 30th time but okay yeah 19 i think it's
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a little young for someone being 30 something okay all right um it gives you the ick yeah okay all right
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can you guys actually make a compelling like argument why it's wrong i did uh i mean i think
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because her brain isn't done developing um i think obviously he's choosing someone who's a lot younger
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and more inexperienced and has also just come out of high school so ew like you know you as a 30 year
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old man why are you dating someone who just came out of a high school like is that you know um you
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can't get better like well i mean you don't want someone who's going to challenge you you don't want
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someone who who what would be better i don't want i don't want somebody to challenge mature like yeah
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it's more mature what do you mean more mature mentally more mature once you want to date if you're
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30 years old why don't you date a woman that's actually like mentally mature than a girl that's 19 not
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a woman who is unmentally immature well she is i met some 19 year olds who are pretty damn mentally
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mature i mean well i'm going to like my situation i was 17 i wasn't mature yet and i let him take full
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advantage of me so and i thought it was perfectly fine how old was he when 20 when you met yeah he
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was 20 and i was 17 two months before i turned 18 and yeah but i mean if he was 18 two months before
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you turned 18 how long did you date him since 29 18 and i broke up with him this year what wait
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though this is the same guy six year i've only been in one year like like not one year one
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so wait two months into the relationship you were 18 and then he was still 20 that's not much of an
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age gap no it's not but he was more mature though than i was obviously because he had been through
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more relationships and i haven't so i mean is it would it be that weird though for an 18 year
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old to be dating a 20 i don't think that's weird or a 22 or a 21 year old in this case so it was like
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18 to 21 i'm not saying that the man was more mature than i was five year range i don't think we
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would consider that an age gap well i think it's like i'm talking about maturity levels 10 years is
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like yeah 10 years a little bit like a little bit too much five years is fine
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i was immature at 17 so i can imagine like a 19 year old not being that mature compared to a 30
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year old does that make sense or am i wrong or you think a 19 year old has had the same maturity
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levels as a 30 year old man well i'm not sure that people are looking for relationships based around
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various maturity levels like um i think that people have peaked very different interests and
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i see men who are 30 with very immature women who are 35 and i see women who are 30 with very
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immature men who are 25 right so the thing is is like i'm not sure that you can just say well you're
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an adult and because of this we're just going to make this kind of like bracket or even though you're
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an adult we're just going to assume that you're too stupid to make the decision as to who you want
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to date that's just kind of seems absurd to me would you be okay if it was your daughter
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one of them would you be a so i wouldn't be okay with my daughter dating anybody ever uh and no
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father ever is so it doesn't really matter if there was an age gap or not all fathers hate all
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boys who date their daughters so i'm not really sure how that's particularly relatable i wouldn't care
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if she was with or dating a guy 20 years older i would hate him or if she was dating a guy who was
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around her same age i would hate that guy too so fair enough okay okay all right really quick i guess
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on this um i guess even kind of granting your your guys's positions that maybe it's like icky or
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whatever predatory or whatever it's uh take advantage of whatever um if you were trying to like convince men
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to date women their age like aside from like if you have to push put away like the shaming and that
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sort of uh stuff can you actually like make an argument for like why like what are the benefits of
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dating an older woman she has her shit together and you don't have to really like provide for her
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like you would do for like a younger person who doesn't have their stuff together when you're 30 if
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you're still single is the guy gonna have to provide for you no because you should she's already
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be um able to provide for herself really yeah i i hope when i'm 30 i can be able to provide for
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myself and not to rely on a man okay yeah but if it's a provider argument then this one's um i guess
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the counters to that that that i would give would be uh i think yes you would have to provide for the
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18 year old or 19 year old or even 20 year old if you're a man in their 30s uh but they would have
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significantly less baggage and so it might actually be more inexpensive to provide for that person with
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less baggage than the woman in her 30s with more baggage might be far less expensive she might for
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for instance the accrual of debt that a woman would have in her 30s versus at 18 19 you would have to
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admit the chances are going to be way higher that she's accrued a lot of debt by the time she's 30.
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that is true for financial reasons i'm not sure that like the financial argument is the best one
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i think you're right that the woman would be able to provide a better standard of life for herself
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perhaps but that doesn't mean that she would necessarily be less expensive for the man that is
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you're like i look for a provider i don't know if ryan walked out or not yeah like i look for a provider
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but i also know like i would like to be a provider myself too i'm just not i'm not relying solely on
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the man to take care of me 24 7. yeah but i mean would you be opposed to it no i i wouldn't either if
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it comes natural yeah so you wouldn't be opposed to it either so the idea here is that i think there's
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also 18 19 20 year old girls who would like to be provided for as well and i think that the type of
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men who can provide for them are generally going to be established and probably in their 30s
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so give like here i can give you a good idea of this uh women's uh reproductive years generally
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they're like prime reproductive years somewhere around 18 years old to let's say 26 27 right it's
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kind of the prime it's not that they can't have babies fast that they can't we're just saying it's
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easier on their bodies the labor is less intense the babies are generally a bit healthier
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yeah yeah do you bounce back from it faster because you're younger right your body can take it and
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heal quicker if that is the case if if a woman is expected to have babies in those years it seems
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reasonable to me that a woman would expect to be provided for in those years and younger men are
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going to have a harder time doing that than men in their 30s for instance so wouldn't it make sense
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if women sexually selected for men in their 30s if they wanted to have children yeah i see your point
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of view there i mean that makes that makes total sense to me it's like okay now now your reproductive
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years you're taking care of men around my own age bracket can't do that but you can that actually
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makes sense to me that does as well to me yeah so that i mean i guess um you know i guess there's
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really no argument there chair one what do you think you were giving me that look like you were giving
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you were giving me the look come on what is it what well i mean it was it was over the argument
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about debt i mean in the state of california when you marry someone you don't accrue their debt you
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only accrue you know half the amount of their debt that you accrued during the marriage believe me i
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know this so i just didn't really see that as a valid argument as like oh you should wait their credit
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you're gonna you well you still have to deal with it right so you're still gonna have to deal with
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whatever their credit is you're gonna have to deal with uh if they and if by the way if they have
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debt i think it's reasonable inside of marriages generally debt is shared even if technically the
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law says it's not like in the state of california in this instance i think that most people put away
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for their retirement together if you're putting away for the retirement together why wouldn't you
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be sharing the debt i mean it that does seem to be the case that most people share debt right
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yeah i mean it's just not what i experienced personally so yeah but i mean if you were in a
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if you had another husband tomorrow let's say and you had fifty thousand dollars in debt and he had
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twenty five thousand dollars in debt wouldn't you guys probably work to pay each other's debt off
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i mean yeah that would be a priority yeah that would be a priority exactly so i mean it it it makes
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sense to me that if you had more debt in your 30s that that wouldn't necessarily make you more
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financially viable to a man who could who could financially support you than if you were younger just
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because you are in a position where you can make money doesn't mean you don't come with a lot of
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crude debt yeah i understand what you're saying yeah i just going back oh did you have some were
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you raising your hand uh okay i guess i'd still like to hear like a like what what's the benefit to
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the man for dating an older woman because the reality is when it comes to dating we're all uh what's
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the word we're all um trying to think what the greedy we all want the best that we can get we
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want the most attractive person we want the person with the best x y whatever traits you know people
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have different preferences on that but we're all trying to get the very best that we can get so i'm
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just trying to understand like if men are dating younger women because and this does seem to be a trend
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which would indicate to me that men are making some sort of value judgment value assessment that
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younger women are more attractive whether that comes down to their looks personality whatever
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they're making some value assessment there otherwise this if it wasn't the case
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you know why why if there wasn't some increase in value why why would they they want to date these
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younger women um i guess like can you make an argument as to like why should a man date an
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older woman aside from just your shame tactics
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i mean so older so you're saying in this situation so the man is the 19 year old and the woman is the
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30 so in comparison to a younger woman so like why should a 35 year old date another 35 year old
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versus say a 25 year old or a 20 year old i think so that you can have an equal
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have have an equal yeah you can have an equal you have someone who you know can understand like
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your shared experiences i feel like you guys are at the same stage in life someone who's 19
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kind of someone who's 19 your age isn't you're i mean sorry your brain isn't done developing so it's
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like i feel like you don't really know who you are yet you can give them children and this and that
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and maybe you know a couple years from then you're like fuck you know i don't know uh why do we assign
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those women to adulthood i i don't know the laws are put in place by men so can you tell me
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um i mean i think it would be wise to wait for everyone to be you know have their brain
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do you think we should raise the age of adulthood to 26 i don't think it's a bad idea i mean you have
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to rent you have to wait till you're 24 to rent a car so yeah so like let's say for instance a 28 year
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old then was uh having sex with a 23 year old uh you would call him a a pdf file then no i mean i like
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like i said i don't think five years that that's still that's the entailment right the entailment
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is i said the age of consent to 26 i feel like you have that much in common 26 yeah you can't
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consent until until you're 26 because you're not an adult then you would be saying that if a 28 year
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old was banging a 25 year old he'd be a pdf file that's the actual logical entailment of it but when
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you're 30 aren't you looking for somebody to be like um want a stable relationship and be committed
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a 19 year old is going to be thinking about going partying and like not trying to necessarily sorry for age of
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consent i thought we were talking about voting not i'm sorry sexual can children can can children
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consent no okay so if you want to raise the age of adulthood to 26 anything under the age of 26 would
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be considered what non-consensual a child right because they're not i mean i wouldn't say i wouldn't
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say a child you're like i feel like you're still an adolescent what are you you're an adolescent i suppose
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okay so an adolescent um so so they wouldn't be able to consent to sex so 25 year old right has
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sex with a 27 year old in your worldview of raising the adulthood they would actually have penalties
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and be considered some type of creeper because they had sex with this um not quite an adult at 26
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woman doesn't that seem absurd right i mean it does that's why i said i feel like a five-year gap is
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fine but 10 years is very strange to me you know like you have a whole decade on the person that's
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just so how old are you 26 how old are you 26 you're 26 so so do you think that we we should
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consider you if you were to have sex with a 25 year old have you ever had sex with a 25 year old at 26
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no 24 no anybody younger than you no male or female no now you've never had sex your whole life
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with anybody even one day younger than you really not that i can remember okay whatever fine but do
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you really think that it's reasonable to say that they're 25 years old you're 26 you had sex with them
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and they couldn't consent because they're no of course i think that's fine like i'm saying i think
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a five-year gap for sex is fine you know in that case age of consent i mean then i would say like
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you know voting consent um you know 25 26 i feel like sexual consent can be five years you know past
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that i would say 20 would be fine well 35 year old and a 25 year old having sex that's no bueno
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straight to jail for that guy i'm not saying straight to jail i'm just saying like it gives
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me the ick that's my opinion oh it gives you the ick yeah but i mean what if somebody was like well
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it gives me the ick if if if anybody around the same age is having sex that gives me the ick
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does that does that sound reasonable it's like oh that's like having sex with your brother
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we're all entitled to our opinion that's why i can't do younger younger guys because i have a little
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brother so i cannot i have a child i don't want to be someone else's mommy but i also want to date
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like i have 20 year age gap or maybe like a 10 year i'd be a little too much for me i'll stick to
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the five-year age gap limit we stand on that you think that that should be in any way criminalized
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though no no well then you're making then if it shouldn't be then you're then you are saying
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that they are adults i just like they don't have that much in common you just you just personally
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it gives you the ick that's it it's just that right it's just that from your perspective there's
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like there you don't actually have a problem with it you just that it's just dick right i mean i have
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a problem with it for my own like sense of integrity yeah well how would it violate your integrity
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because i i just think you know obviously the mindset and the values of a 19 year old
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and a 30 year old is completely different yeah that's my argument i don't think they're about
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wait i don't know why their values would be different like what value difference do you want
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to go party with a 19 year old every weekend like she wants to do or you would want to like to not
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be going out and be more mature level-headed oh yeah oh no terrible so what you're saying is the
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guy is like oh you can't go be a whore and you're like oh my god how could you could be so
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controlling like don't you want to go to a nightclub and write a bunch of dicks andrew like
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what's wrong with you no it's like that's the mentality of a 19 year old and like to go party
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and like enjoy her youth and stuff like that a 30 year old he's over that they've been through that
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you can also i don't understand why is the only way to enjoy your youth to go to a nightclub get
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drunk and fuck dudes like why is that why is that my intentions when i go to the club must enjoy her
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youth like isn't that wild yeah the best way for a 19 year old to enjoy her youth is to go out to
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parties and get fucked yeah that doesn't sound like it's the best most optimal way to enjoy your
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youth no it seems it seems to me like okay what if she was like okay well i just want to be your
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wife for the rest of my life wait so sorry then lucky so yeah can i ask you a question look at you
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yeah yeah sure go ahead your argument just so i'm understanding is that you know it's
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better practice you think for women 19 to what did you say the child rearing prime is 27 to just
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stay home those years and raise kids right you can argue a couple of years you could argue maybe
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it's up to 29 or it's as low as 26 um but i i think that commonly if you were to say between 18
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woman's body generally speaking uh is completely developed to 26 years old they're going to have
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the easiest time with child rearing child child yeah i think that that's generally the best time i would
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say yeah i mean i i can't argue with that i understand what you're saying yeah it was really easy for me
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like also just i guess last thing on the age gap thing i my own anecdotal experience so i've dated
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women who are older than me i've had age gaps in the opposite direction where i think i was 32 and i
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did uh i think she's 44 45 i'm 35 is there was there a follow-up or for context okay yeah so uh when i was
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31 i dated a woman who's 45 i've had uh i've dated some older other older women too i think i maybe not
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quite as big as that one but like 33 40 something like that so um and then i've dated women my own
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age plus or minus a couple years 19 year old huh ever a 19 year old well so obviously when i when i but when i was
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younger yeah but uh yeah no i've dated uh i've dated uh in my 30s i have dated how about you date a 19
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year old then you come and tell us how how it went i i have okay i have i've dated younger women
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kind of around the spectrum you know the spectrum so my own anecdotal experience on this this trope
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that women between the ages of 18 and 25 that they're like immature retards without a fully developed
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brain is one insulting to young women and and two just not true from a my own anecdotal experience
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um i think there's idiots at all ages there's people that you'll have a terrible time with at
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any single age and i just it does not make sense to me like no matter what dating is difficult you're
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going to encounter like a ton of people that just are not a match for you at any age my viewpoint on this
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if you're like most men here's the reality we care a lot about looks younger women are typically
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going to be better looking if you can get a younger like a younger woman why not i don't see
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what's the actual objection and like i also think and also wait i'm sorry just one sec one sec
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and so i mean it's it's like and also i mean i'm not trying to come off as superficial but like
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there's plenty of really cool put together younger women like me for in their early 20s
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and just because they're young doesn't mean that they're pieces of shit or they're going to treat
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you poorly in fact i find the opposite to typically be true is that they tend to be better partners
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they're more pleasant they have less uh trauma they have less baggage they have a lower body count
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they're more physically like it's just like how dare these men want to date women who are more
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physically attractive and have less relationship baggage and tend to be more pleasant individual
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like i i just don't really understand the this argument at all um and uh can you explain the loaded
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there's also brian i've noticed this i i wanted to get your take on this for a while sure what is
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with the loaded sexual language around it like why do you want a woman who's freshly 18 right a
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teenager 18 teenager right a teenager freshly 18 but it's sexually loaded almost like spoiled that's
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what's so funny about it right like it's uh like it's something which has been uh spoiled if you go in
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you go oh well they're fresh fresh meaning like uh you know like like how fruit is fresh right you
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all everyone wants the fresh fruit nobody wants the rotten fruit but the idea almost here is that oh
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you want them fresh when they're a when they're 18 and fresh like well wouldn't you would you want
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them before they were spoiled so it's like to me it seems like the language actually plays in your favor
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when women say that like fresh you know and if freshly 18 is like well yeah what do you want them
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you want them spoiled at 25 then if they're only fresh at 18 i don't get it yeah i mean it is an
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interesting component i mean you brought up the high school example but it's like i think to myself
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okay well what if there's like some really dumb 25 year old is for some reason still in high school i
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don't think the like i don't think it's so much the objection is the high school component it's
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the age at the end of the day um but there is like a lot of shaming language they'll often say
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like a teenager and someone can be 13 and a teenager and 19 and 24 hours away from turning uh 20 and
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they're still a teenager it's just it's it is sort of this loaded language to try to like the spin
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to try to frame it in the most unflattering light as possible trying to make you look like a pdf
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essentially yeah essentially trying to make men look like their pdfs because they're attracted
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to women who are younger who are in their childbearing career but but the counter to this
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that i've heard and it is compelling to me but i never make this argument because even though it's
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compelling to me i can't prove it right and usually i only like to make arguments i can prove
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but i will say that the argument that i've heard that it's mostly women who are older are actually
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jealous as shit of younger women being able to get the men in their age bracket that they actually
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desire is the main motivation for why they're against age gap relationships i have never i don't
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know how to demonstrate that logically so i don't make the argument but it is compelling to me so i
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wonder what you thought about that right i mean i saw a lot of you or i saw a lot of women shaking
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their nodding their heads right you guys agree with that or disagree or i mean a lot of older women
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tend to be jealous of younger women in their youth yeah and the attention they get so i mean that's
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you're not wrong i think it's an interesting argument just never thought about it yeah never
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articulated it uh one i guess one thing on this andrew that that is interesting to me is that i think
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they're like men's attraction for this is not like even really fully up to them insofar as
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like attraction is typically not like a a choice and what i mean by that is like there's just like
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sort of biological base biological evolutionary things that uh people find attractive and so like
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for example i wouldn't um you can make similar arguments about like women like wanting to date
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rich men but like this has a evolutionary biological basis women like a man who has resources
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can provide for you and your children that's the basis for why women will find men with like status
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or who are who are wealthy they'll find this it's not the only thing that you'll care about but
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it'll be like something that'll make you more attracted to a guy and this is just rooted in
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women's own evolution or like their own biology you are attracted to men who are capable of providing
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for you who have resources and in the same way men men who are attracted to young adult women
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that is also based in biology comes down to fertility yeah i mean it makes sense but the the question
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the question i have too on the kind of jealousy front maybe i can get your takes on this right
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the the idea here just being uh because brian brought up control and i and i like to think of it
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from the same aspect is that well it's outside of your control now right so um if if men around
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your your age bracket who have the resources that you desire you want to be with them based on let's
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say those particulars i don't think that men generally give a shit that much about women's
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interests i know that women bring this up all the time like what do you have in common with an 18 year
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old it's like what do i have in common with a 35 year old what the hell do i have in common with a
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35 year old woman they don't want to do fucking anything i want to do they don't want to go out
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you know what i like to do i like to go out in the forest with a 357 and just randomly shoot rabbits
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because i think it's fun they pop their head like a zit i'm just like bam bam and they just like drop
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right women aren't into they don't care right now a buddy of mine might show up and he'd be like oh
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yeah let's do the walk man let's do the whole the whole genocide forest package we're just gonna kill
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everything that walks out there they're fine with it right they don't care what do i have in common
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with with a woman in my age bracket exactly what like what is the thing i'm supposed to have in
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common with her that i don't have in common with a 19 year old uh woman i'd actually like to know the
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answer to that okay follow up on that andrew though that that's a great question does anybody
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i don't know if we heard it tonight though did anybody have the commonality argument like what do
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have in common what does a 30 year old have in common with a 19 year old right i think like
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shared experiences with like the way you guys grew up you know growing up before internet dating was a
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thing sometimes i had younger girls might have a different outlook on relationships because of how
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we grew up i played diablo we won't know the same type of music y'all listen to or you know it's just
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different areas like different life experiences they don't listen to the same shit i listen to now
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yeah like i'm listening i'm listening to like 80s metal hairband right driving down the street
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you got you know metallica's blasting guns and roses they don't want to hear that shit right they don't
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want to hear that shit at my age so it's like what exactly is what are what are these interests exactly
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that women in my age bracket are supposed to have with me that a woman at 18 19 doesn't have i'd
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actually like to know this like what are the interests here i think maybe when they're younger
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they're kind of worried about figuring themselves and like their lives out whereas when you're older
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you kind of have your life already figured out and it's like you have space to take in a partner
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when you're young you're kind of figuring yourself out really answering this question though yeah but
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what about my question what is it what what are the interests i'm supposed to share with 35 40 year
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old women like i wouldn't share with 18 or 19 year old like what are the actual interests because when i
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think about it the more i think about it the more i realize uh me and my wife basically have no
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fucking interests which are similar okay basically zero interests that are that similar the only thing
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i i would say is like she likes to shoot guns that's about it right but really but really like she's
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interested in doing nails and i don't give a shit about that she's interested in almost everything in
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fact she's interested in i literally don't give a shit about it so it's like so so what are the
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things that a 19 year old that i'm supposed to not have interest in when i don't have the interest
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they have at 40 i don't get it um yeah like i mean at my younger age i'm not like worried about
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settling down and having a family but maybe an older woman would be open to having a family and
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settling down when you're younger maybe you're more in shape to be partying and clubbing and
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spending your days out with friends all night and when you're older like trust me you're not trying
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to go out yeah but you would agree with me that young women could definitely many young women have
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an interest in having a family there's many young women who are interested in starting them young so
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that could be something that we share as far as a desire we both have but what but when i'm talking
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about commonality of interests like what what do we suppose we don't listen to the same music
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right none of the activities we do are similar that we find to be relaxing or fun except maybe
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watching tv but i assume a 19 year old girl probably likes to watch tv also right so it's like so so what
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are these things like what are these commonalities exactly that men are supposed to be sharing with
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women because uh like men like to grab in in the game red dead redemption 2 they like to grab random
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uh you know like women on the street and throw them on the back of the horse and drive down to the
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railroad tracks and throw the chick on the railroad just to watch the train hit her in the video game
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women don't like to do that shit now men like to do that at 20 they like to do that at 40 they like
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to do it at 60 it's like what is what are these commonalities exactly
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i thought you here how about andrew what do you about what do you think about this one though
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related to your question andrew if i'm dating a girl who is my exact same age but we have nothing
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in common is that gross too like why would you date someone you don't have anything in common with
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do you think i mean i think it's basically so so let me let me okay when it let's just say there's
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a man and a woman and they have the exact same birth date same age what do they have in common that
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would be sufficient enough for you to be like whoa we have so much in common i want to fuck you
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go ahead give me something well what it mostly boils down to for me is maturity that's my only
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argument i feel like so then wouldn't you be with an older man so in common yeah like i said
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growing up as like a gen x is different from growing up as like
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i mean i guess i understand your movie references so like what if i dated somebody with like a
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different nationality that was pretty funny what what if i dated somebody who's like a different
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nationality we have way i would argue we have way less in common than like a 10 year age gap
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yeah i think variety is the spice of life so i see your argument here like i am i not allowed
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yeah you want i'm a predator for wanting to date like a like a latin american woman no because we have
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nothing in common i don't who's my exact same age because we have nothing in common i don't know
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i've met a lot of men that marry colombian women and they can't speak the same language and they
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don't know their yeah they don't care yeah yeah they don't have it they don't have anything like
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the thing is the more you think about it men just want attractive women that's it that's all they
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care about yeah well my grandfather i think that that's reducible the same way as it is to say
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well wait uh women only want men with big wallets right and it's like i don't i don't think that
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that's the case i think that that yes attractiveness for men is like the primary goal
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and perhaps resources for women primary goal i think that those are things they value perhaps
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higher than other things but they still value other things i'm just saying the more i think about it
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with couples basically almost any male female couple i've ever met in my life don't fucking have
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anything in common at all like they really don't have that much in common there's a few of them who
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do perhaps have more things in common than others but ultimately they don't really have that much in
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common yeah they don't like to watch the same shows they don't like to you know they don't they
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don't they really don't so inside this argument i've never gotten it really that's interesting
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yeah it's uh it is so you're saying compatibility is not even based upon mutual interest well this is
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kind of the yin and yang i've never thought so i've never thought it was like if wouldn't it be like
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you might as well just be gay like if commonality like if if we are if the the the ultimate thing
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that we're like trying to like that that fuels sexual attraction or relationship attraction
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everyone just be gay you just date your same sex same penis double penis yeah you have you know
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well i guess man he's got a beard you've got a beard you like traits in the partner that you're not
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right yeah there's like different you know anyways sometimes or sometimes maybe you like traits that
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they have like maybe you're a tall guy who really wants a tall woman that'd be a trait you have in
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common but like when it comes to the commonality specifically in interest yeah right other than
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religion i just don't see much i just really i don't i don't really see because totally interested
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in very different things yeah different music different favorite colors different foods i mean i
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hardly ever meet people who them and their partner same same everything
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um let's see here um uh we're gonna move on to the next thing we do have a chat here that's
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anisa can i have you read this one question for the panel if a man comes up to you and puts you
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into a conundrum by asking can i tell you something explicit does he have a 75 chance of getting with you
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yeah so here's the scenario i'll paint this scenario for you guy walks over to you in a club
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and he says hey baby can i tell you something explicit and then you say yes and then he hits
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you with a logic bomb which puts you in a conundrum does that mean he has a 75 chance of sleeping with
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uh we don't go to clubs we're not going to linger too long on these two but a lot of you disagreed
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men are not insecure controlling for wanting their partner to not go to bars clubs etc and then also
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not wanting their partner to dress less revealingly um a lot of you disagreed
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um we kind of talked a little bit about it earlier just show of hands who disagreed on those
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uh okay um actually i'm just going to skip over that one just for the sake of time
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uh why don't we move to let me just see uh amelia hold on one sec guys
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amelia i you disagreed sorry guys figuring out the note shit here uh you disagree i said
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in this women have equal rights to men you disagree um that women have equal rights to men
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yeah well women do have some equal rights like towards men we're able to vote right we're able to
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um work if we want to it's not suppressed like we used to be like back in like the 50s or the 40s
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where women were only having to be at home and be stay-at-home moms and like now we have freedom
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to do what we want and so yeah that's what i disagree on but so okay um we have the same rights
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as men now that's before we did not right so but the it was women have equal rights to men you disagree
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oh i meant i agreed then sorry okay um moving on then once cali's back here i guess i'll get into this
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uh so look i've been ignoring this for a while now but it's been 30 minutes going on here so um
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brigitte you've been back there on your phone for 30 minutes what's going on
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huh thank you for clarifying how you pronounce your name
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that's not my name brigitte no diana gina gina what
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oh okay i got you mixed up with your gina oh okay i mixed you up okay in any case
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the name has been corrected your name is gina what's going on back there
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you want to say this on camera or no but we can't really hear I don't know if the
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chat can hear so okay so um so you guys were an hour late the show is going later we started the
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show this is one of the rare times we've started a show this late we started like 20 minutes late
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you guys were an hour late I'd rather not feel I'm okay I thank you for the thank you for the
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offer though how long did you you had an energy shot so okay well uh
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I'm pretty sure it was disclosed to you I'm not sure
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okay so you were how long have you been scheduled to come on the podcast
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so all you had to do you were you had access to the whatever Instagram all you had to do to
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did you look into the show at all because the length of the show you literally just have to
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go to the YouTube channel and you would have figured that out that's on you look I we have
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a third party who's handling some guest bookings I would have to ask her what she told you I don't
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have that in front of me I don't know what she told you in any case you guys were an hour late
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no we didn't it was like 5 20 or 5 30 because you two were late in addition to that she let your
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friend she took up seat she left without letting anybody know just left and then you've been in
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the bathroom on the phone with her you've been back here texting it's were you not on the phone in
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that's cool so I want to continue on with the show it's clear that you're not going to come back to the panel
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first off I don't know what anisa said maybe I'll know what she told you uh yeah you can't just come
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on and be like I'm just going to stay in the background that's what you're doing you should
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have done your research I'll have to I'll call up kelly who booked you and she'll tell me exactly
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what went down I don't know all the details then you should have done your due diligence not having
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not known how long the show was you should have done your due diligence and figured that out
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she did she provide you that did kelly provide you the link to the podcast
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then you should have checked out the channel and figured it out then I don't know what to tell you
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okay well I guess you can leave then I don't know what else to tell you I'm gonna get back to the
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show though so can you leave you I don't know what to tell you but like you've been getting up
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all the time you've been you were in the bathroom yeah you you were late you were late
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that fucked us and our production over first you guys say 4 15 then you say 4 30 then you say 4 50
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no you said 4 15 you said 4 15 and then you said 4 30 then you said 4 50 and then you guys got
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here at 5 5 p.m we told you to be here at 4 p.m sharp you're not going to rejoin the panel let me
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get back to the show there are people who are here nah you can just leave honestly you've you can just
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nah you're you're not getting paid well it doesn't stay on the contract and that's what the message
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is said like i've been here for six yeah but you have to hold up your end of the deal wait we're
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getting paid like saying like oh i'm gonna fucking leave all i said i asked her can i just stay
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around because i feel like shit jenna i haven't ate for so long so would like if she was doing
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i'm holding on hold on you're fucking up you guys were fucking an hour late now you're
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fucking interrupting our just just leave bro actually eaten and we're just trying to get a
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podcast done we're all here doing our own thing if you want to be here be here please please leave
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please leave because like i'm we're all struggling bro take some fucking accountability you're you
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no you're not you're an hour late you're fucking back there on your phone for the past 30 minutes
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you you have this is why the wage gap exists bro you have it's fucking crazy dude take some
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fucking accountability you guys were late your friend fucks shit up you fuck shit up at this
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you're in a party you're in a party with your girlfriend she dipped she left she took up a seat
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anyways i'm not holding that specifically against you but here i'm trying to get back to the show i
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can't be arguing with you bro i don't even know what to say at this point i think you should just leave
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because you're just fucking you're not contributing you've been fucking back there already we already
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we're already gonna have a fucking dispute over pay because you're an hour fucking late and you've
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been sitting back there for fucking 30 minutes on your fucking phone if i'm feeling straight i'm
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gonna be right there with a smile would you pay somebody who does half a job they fix half your
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fucking car yeah you're half a job right now i'm not feeling well like you know it's just
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fucking being on the table like i'm trying to like call myself together like what do you want me to
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do like i don't feel well i don't know man take the l and leave i guess if you're not feeling well
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you can leave you're already an hour late you've already been fucking up the production
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i think you should you can just leave at this point
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because you've been whinging for the past fucking 10 minutes you're you're clearly not ready to
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participate because your headache and your headache and you can't see and all this
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shit i'm not saying i couldn't see i never i just said my heart started being really fast
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yeah so she isn't that common from a fucking energy drink i don't even know what five hours
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because she poured the little shot in there just like that so i drank it off and then i went back
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and i said oh who poured the who oh that's the other panelists i didn't see the little fucking cup
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you mean a what is it 130 milligrams of caffeine is that what we're fucking arguing about stop hey you
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guys be quiet well that's that's on you we tell here did we tell you beforehand to have a full
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fucking meal what do i do i don't know i think you leave that's what you do so she didn't say that
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though i said you have to well yeah but she told me oh go and then go back i made food anisa was very
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nice she cooked you a meal huh she gave wow she you should reimburse her you need to reimburse her
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for the food you took from her are you going to reimburse my my employee are you going to reimburse
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my employee yeah one bite how much is that's that's at least a dollar the food here is very expensive
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it's very expensive and anisa is a broke college student you deprived her i'm getting hungry too
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poor anisa and that's not a race thing she was eating rice or something
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i can't wait to eat after this i don't know what to tell you man just go i'll give you 20 bucks or
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something i don't know i'm not then i would just say that nah you can just leave it's only about money
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to you you're wasting everybody else's fucking time seriously i seriously wanted to you don't give a
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fuck about anybody but yourself let's not talk about you though let's not talk about you you don't
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don't call me don't call me that you can get the fuck off the podcast you're wasting everybody's
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fucking time yeah really i think you're gonna start just relax i think we should just relax
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do you want water no i'm i just drink water right now
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let's finish the podcast so we can go outside have the same energy with your words have the same energy
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because you're real barking right now but have some have the same energy baby you know everybody's
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shut up can we just can we just stop with the cattiness because there's no cattiness around
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here let's have the same energy okay have the same energy cool because don't talk to me any type of way
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baby then get off the fucking show can we just like relax you let's not let's not talk about you
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miss baby crier okay y'all want some real viral content y'all want some real viral content i'll give
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y'all he loves it he loves this he loves it he loves it do you not love it you love the drama this is
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what this is what gets more views okay and let's not talk about you okay let's not talk i'm i'm being
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very respectful i'm being very respectful okay miss pet owner the go talk to your doggy go talk to
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your dog you're a shitty ass person go cry go cry boo boo go cry i'm agreeing with this man right here
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go cry go cry again it's agreeing with this man right here go cry again okay miss pet owner yeah
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pet owner yeah come at me yeah okay let's stop let's see if you actually can do it okay let's
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okay let's all press charges okay okay let's start charges let's stop let's stop let's just relax
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we are cute in this so getting mad over what no i like no one's talking to your differences hey
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come on step in you have daughters and how it is no one's talking about you
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okay can we stop with that name calling can we stop i'm so offended i'm so offended
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oh didn't you want to okay miss porn star miss motherfucking oh i'm fucking crying because
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i treat men like i'm crying i'm crying because i treat men like oh my god boo-hoo like you don't
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boo-hoo talk boo-hoo boo-hoo cool and you're cool bitch you wish look as good as me you wish
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a bitch stand up stand up no stand up let's go stand up exactly exactly exactly stand up can we not
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no exactly prove my point you're you're not gonna stand up you're not gonna stand up cool
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because you're insecure you're a little insecure black bitch cool you're mad oh i hope y'all
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y'all heard y'all heard what she said yeah i said black there's nothing wrong with that
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it's called freedom of speech welcome to america yeah good for you this is a podcast
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that's why you're the only one on here who looks like a boy everyone look at the camera
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does not she look like a man let's look at the camera she look like a man
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why are we talking down on us right now because she wants to start and then
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but we should not be starting anything yeah you shouldn't the podcast and like you know exactly
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she didn't have to butt in but she want to be barking her big ass mouth okay okay cool cool cool
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be lazy bitch all you've been doing is crying and talking about how you treatment like
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shit okay that's all you've been doing being in the back that's all you've been doing that's
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all you've been doing questions are we doing no one wants you here okay cool that's why you have no
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no motherfucking real man that's how you pay for this shit you have no man all right you have no
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man oh they don't pay your bills you and sugar mommy oh you're gold digging yeah for sure whatever
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you want to think baby go back to whatever you want to think cool whatever you want to think
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y'all whatever you want to think y'all get back into business keep going with this because it's true
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like girl it wants to talk like okay black bitch i'm latina i get it fucking right who the
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fuck is black soy latina pendeja don't get it motherfucking twisted because if you want to be
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barking we'll go outside we'll go outside let's see if your words match oh let's go let's go okay
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cool cool yeah because your words ain't matching your words ain't matching so okay okay be a peacemaker
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it's not working okay wait are you saying black or yeah she's saying black and fat she's saying
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black black and fat okay maybe avoid the thank you thank you thank you exactly maybe avoid thank you
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you fucking racist ass weirdo oh my god black what the fuck excuse me black people are beautiful
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black people are beautiful this is my first podcast though it's pretty i'm acting kettle not my
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motherfucking fault is it always can you guys not be uh thank you thank you why are you calling me
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she's been calling me black she's been calling me black no she's been calling me black more than
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five times she just called me it really shows the racism okay the show with the fighting so
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nobody gives a bad girl so i hope everyone knows that she doesn't like black people
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club she's a racist guys stop stop with the in america okay stop can you stop with the the racism
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shit thank you thank you let's put that aside thank you thank you thank you let's put that aside
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nobody cheers stop stop stop hey you guys stop yeah you probably should you probably should can you
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guys okay you guys are you mad are you well no i feel violated you guys she's so scared
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no you're not they love this shit they love this shit of course they do who doesn't like some
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little drama okay oh well oh well don't speak up don't speak up because no one was even talking to
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your weird ass nobody was talking to you girl like you need to pipe the down it's okay i understand why
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you're like that because you're so miserable i understand the referee five thousand i understand why
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she's mad she's miserable like she treats her men like puppies or dog even how the guy said it she
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should be crying she's a horrible person keep going you're a horrible person you know you are
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yeah but look how you talk okay i don't care i don't care that's how i speak okay it doesn't matter
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cool cool cool cool don't give us a fuck cool cool holy fuck bro god damn like all we learned from you
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today is that you're a racist you treat men like shit and you're a baby crying ass that's all we
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learned from you like that's all we learned from you that you're racist you treat men like
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you treat people like and you have mental issues you have mental issues you have mental and your
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body she mean women oh oh girl thank you for that you see all these women in here i'm pretty sure they
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agree with me now it's your racist ass you're weird as fuck what the hell does race have to do with
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anything guys stop holy we can go in order and see who you guys agree with we can go in order we can
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order we can go in order how about you both how about how about uh we can go in order yeah this ass is
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real fat fatter than yours pookie so way better than yours fatter than yours fatter than yours yes
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fatter than yours of course of course that's fat and you're mad your man would look all up in this ass
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i know he would he would look at me and be like god damn
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let's not talk about that okay okay okay okay your man would love this let me tell you that
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keep waiting yeah your man would love this he would okay he would he would he would of course
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of course girl that's why you're racist that's why you're racist hey can we stop can you guys uh
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why don't you guys both be quiet that'd be nice thank you thank you for the house yeah you guys can
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both uh kindly uh shut the fuck up yeah shut the fuck up both of you i will shh shh shh what
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no more side comments nobody even likes you um how about both of you shut up how about how about
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that um yeah with your little slide okay you both of you have to you gotta be quiet you gotta be quiet
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i'm gonna move this on okay you guys are gonna be here you're gonna be quiet look at me you're gonna
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be quiet you're gonna be quiet good does she agree not to talk to me all right just here why don't you
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both be quiet for like five minutes okay and let the shit reset dude i don't give a
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fuck stop with the both of you stop cut that shit out cut out both of you okay i'm moving i'm moving
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i'm moving this shit on all right uh what the were we talking about we're talking about equal rights
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uh okay women are not oppressed there were disagreements on that anybody
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i feel like women were oppressed but we're not you disagree that women are not uh but are currently
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yeah women are not oppressed who disagrees they were they're not anymore i don't think
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is that a good statement in case the what that women were oppressed before but now they're not
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out of not as oppressed like they were before so i'm tired now nobody like half of you literally
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cali you you circled it i mean um i wanted to talk about you know um you know women and men having
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equal rights i mean i don't think that's true um because you know women's reproductive rights in
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certain states um you know uh are under you know law by men but there's no reproductive rights against
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men for vasectomies you know and not being able to get procedures like that so there's no reproductive
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there's no law against women getting their tubes tied yeah i'm sorry that was a bad argument but
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why is there that's okay control for women but there's no birth control for me yeah i guess that's
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that's the argument i meant i'm sorry i'm tired y'all is there there is birth control from it yeah
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watching star wars what why actually the pill form of birth control for men's been available
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uh for years but it's just that pharmaceutical companies don't want to release it how does that
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even work for men why they all it does well it destroys the sperm and the semen that's what it
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does or it blocks it i'm not sure scientifically how it works but there is actually a pill
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for men that's way safer than the pill for women because the pill that you have to take
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unfortunately has all sorts of hormone problems than the pill that men could sign effect does not
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but it's not readily available for men isn't that strange that is it's kind of weird okay so is there
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anything else you can think of besides like uh no it's reproductive all right so women have equal rights
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yes no i don't i don't okay what right so what right does a man have that a woman does it um i mean
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men are stripping away you know women's reproductive rights in certain states not california but texas
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i forget the other states you know it's like illegal to get an abortion that's pretty scary
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well what but so men don't have a right to abortion so how would that be a
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right that a man has that a woman doesn't i mean it's just equality it's inequality how wouldn't it
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one can't have abortions though yeah so like wouldn't this actually wouldn't the true equality be
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abortion is just nationwide ban that would actually be equality wouldn't it yeah i understand so you're
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in favor of equality i mean i'm in favor of equality for sure so you're in favor of a nationwide abortion
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ban no that's not what i'm saying not in favor of equality no i'm pro-choice but you said it
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you said it would be equality right i'm tired okay clearly yeah sorry so
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i don't really think i can debate this topic very much because my argument was bad and i don't really
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understand how to structure it right now so right let's just put aside the abortion thing okay anything
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else no okay all right and then um i'm trying to see here if there's women should be drafted
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gina disagrees amelia disagrees if we were to get drafted i don't feel like you know like andrew said
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woman wouldn't be as useful to get this killed in the front line easily but compared to men don't
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women go in the military like that is yeah yeah so strong okay actually we're strong y'all but
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compared to men we're not as strong as i'm trying to say that's true that is biologically men are
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stronger than women or am i wrong yeah that's well that's not the that's not the primary reason maybe
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ronda rousey can be more um stronger than a man you know who knows well i mean you're right you are
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correct i mean of course generally men are stronger than women i don't think anybody's going to dispute
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that but the main reason that you don't want women in combat roles in the military is because
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the enemy will essay them yeah and that's highly demoralizing to the men on your side to have the
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women of your country sent back pregnant uh by the enemy that would be highly demoralizing right yeah
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or if women died in war there'll be less women to like give birth for the next generation as well
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because it'd be like wiped out right that's true that's another that's another side effect but the
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the big thing is it's like so so men are going to be stronger in frontline combat there's no doubt about
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that there's never been a female uh navy seal for instance for this reason it's because um that the
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strength requirements just are are so different but there's all sorts of other side effects that
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people don't think about like if you were the general of the of the enemy's army and they were sending
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women after your troops what would you instruct your army to do to them is there women and swat
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teams or is it just only men very almost very very rarely that women are part of special weapons and
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tactics groups so that's a swat team right special weapons attacks very rare um though i'm sure i'm
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sure that there's cases and instances where it happens i'm not saying that there couldn't be some
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women who could be great soldiers i wouldn't i wouldn't make that claim i'm sure yeah i'm sure that
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there's some uh but i don't i'm not sure why they wouldn't be at the mercy of being essayed by the
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enemy though you know it seems like they still would be so yeah yep easier target for sure uh just
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to move things along here emily you're the only person who disagreed with this one it's not straight
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for a man to date a trans woman and we will say that's queer yeah i said i was clear too
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about one i guess nobody read the question right i disagree that it is does it say not straight
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holy fuck oh my god reading comprehension um
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so okay what's the question it's not here okay question a man dating a trans woman straight or gay
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okay okay all right that was a never mind then uh so i think nobody thinks that that's what's your
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opinion on that do you think a man is straight if they date a trans woman have you ever dated a
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trans woman no i mean trans are beautiful there's some beautiful trans women don't even look like
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they're yeah what would you do if you like fell in love with i would not fall in love with the
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train but how would you and then you didn't know and you were like the moment of me no no no like
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what if she had like that's literally that's literally like if you don't disclose your
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trans status yeah yeah i think that that's essay yeah well i guess you're saying it would be
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non-consensual because you're not consenting to being with a man right that's just deceiving
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you know if they're not disclosing that would i think that that's essay 100 percent essay
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but yeah it would be gay exactly thank you a man dating a trans woman that's that's what if they
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had the gender reconfiguration even if they have a she huh even if she i i mean you're not gonna like
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this but like i don't i don't subscribe to your gender ideology so i don't even this is just like
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pretty much i think in an ultimate defeater in all instances i don't believe in gender i believe in sex
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sex so okay so he she trust the science trust the science so i don't yeah gender i i don't look at
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people as men and well men and women is like pointing towards their sex yeah so you're like
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amab afab that's how you see them assigned male at birth assigned female at birth you mean you mean
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no they're male is that an assignment or a biological reality so for me they're male or they're female
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so amab or afab is how you see people not their gender identity not how i see them as male they're
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currently male or they're currently female okay whether you get a whether you get the puberty
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blockers whether you put on the wig whether you get breast implants whether you get the uh
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uh uh gender the genitalia procedure or whatever you're still a male thank you
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do i love how you're eating popcorn while watching us but so um for that entertaining you're shaking
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your head you how can you disagree with me though you would have to i mean even if you're all for the
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transgender stuff and i don't hate transgender people don't have a problem with them at all when
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in day one but you would have to agree with me that these people these transgender women are still
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male i think they're a woman but they could be amab assigned male at birth but i would still see them
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as a woman assigned assigned male at birth no so okay you use the word male so men and men and
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male at least in your world view are different we're talking about gender identity here yeah but
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male is not a male is not a gender male is a sex right and that's your argument so i'm saying
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so you know i can still i can acknowledge that someone's amab but i could still see them as a
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woman if they're a woman now yeah but okay so present day you're saying assigned male at birth
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you're assigned male right now what a transgender woman is assigned male yes right now assigned male
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at birth no i assign malehood to you in california no no no no no changed on their license like so
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just because a government document says something does that mean that's the truth
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i honor that however you came to this world that's who you are but hold on so i assign malehood to
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transgender women does that compute i understand what you're saying no but they're not just assigned
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male at birth their malehood persists and the do you agree or disagree i disagree so that's a woman
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i see her as a woman sure so their male their malehood does not persist so they're female correct
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how do they well okay no i'm sorry i wouldn't i wouldn't necessarily say i wouldn't say that's a
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female because that's like what are they if they're not a female that's a woman that's a lady
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that's a she her if they're not a female they must be what she her no no no what's okay you agree
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that there's you agree that there's male and female i'm really not having this argument with you i
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think this is a dumb argument because you're intellectually coward a coward or no i just i
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think it's a done dumb argument like i told you i can acknowledge someone's you know amab afab you
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know but i can see them for their gender identity and i will acknowledge and respect them as their
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gender identity it doesn't mean they're not amab or afab how about instead of gender identity
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do you have anything you'd like to know what does sex reality mean like what does that just
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like made that up right now okay oh it's not sex is not made up right now well he's saying presently
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right does that matter yeah it doesn't matter i mean i don't really care as long as people are
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happier than a day like that's their life exactly bring andrew back is oh he's frozen
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not so i believe just once he's fixed or whatever it's funny huh he's eating popcorn
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this is frozen okay he's gonna he's gonna rejoin us um
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i think for you i think whatever you want to believe in that makes you happy you have the right
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to do that you're an adult you have the free it doesn't mean it's true well in her opinion she
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believes it is in your opinion it's not about opinion it's about fact okay but what is what
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you guys speak into the mic miss what i'm sorry what is the how do you define a fact in an opinion
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like like how do you everybody's like opinion in fact can be different no facts cannot be different
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opinions can be different facts cannot be different i just yeah she's happy she's that's why it's called
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factual okay i acknowledge that trans people exist but it's like there's just objective truth so again
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i'd like to ask you you would acknowledge that a transgender woman is male
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amab but yes male but i mean to me but you just she her still a woman sure okay fine i'll even
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abide by your world view thank you that she has changed her gender yeah the transgender woman
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her gender is woman right uh but her sex is
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but then okay once really biologically once they've had the hormone blockers you know or
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whatever you call it it's like physiology wise isn't that a woman i already granted to you it's a woman
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what i'm asking though is it a female no so a transgender woman is a male agree
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i'm not answering this question but i don't understand okay i don't agree but you just said
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it's not she uh a transgender woman i think i would say amab no i think no you just said i think a
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a transgender woman is not female ergo she is yeah i'm not using this like derogatory language
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just to be clear it's derogatory to call a male a male
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i mean you can look at me but or you could say what's on your mind i don't have anything else to
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say to you do you want to concede the argument no okay so well i'm gonna i'm done with this
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conversation i mean you can keep talking i suppose i will keep i suppose i will keep talking um
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i mean you've already granted that a transgender woman is not female so what must they be
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i want to be girl she her she her i mean whatever that person wants to hold on is this just like a
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cognitive dissonance dissonance thing or did andrew raid us or what happened yeah
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that's weird did he raid us guys or what happened chat um
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well i'm gonna come right back to you but emily oh no you you already corrected your position on
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this right okay you it's not straight for a man yeah to date a trans woman okay and i agree with her
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yeah so i guess again i'll grant to you that a transgender woman i don't believe this but i'll
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just grant it for the sake of the argument a transgender woman is a woman but you would
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have to agree that it's a transgender woman is not a female and is in fact male
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i agree with that i mean this is just total intellectual cowardice i don't understand why
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you won't engage with the conversation i agree with that okay cool you're just gonna stare or what
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i think this is not a conversation how about you tilt your mic no it's okay i mean i'm done having
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this conversation well i mean i would like to have the conversation because you said it was derogatory
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to call a male a male so i just want to make sure we're living on the same planet here
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why would it be derogatory to call a male a male
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makes sense you're just gonna look you can just keep looking at me or you gonna
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is this cognitive dissonance do you want to reconsider your position
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most my understanding most trans activists don't think that there's an actual change of
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is is this what you do in your relationships you just stonewall
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it's good it's good it's a it's an abuse tactic but okay
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well we haven't this woman is abusive because she's stonewalls but okay
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i mean essentially um what have you messaged andrew is everything okay let me uh
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check my text messages like disappeared you said i'm tired guys they're red right my eyes right
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right now because it's my eye lens oh yeah is it going in your eye yeah i think so but i'm holding on um
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i'm just waiting for you to say something i mean
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well they were going there do you want to come back they're good now
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i was cool sitting between them i can sit back there if you want me to go yeah i just don't have
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that much like space here yeah i just didn't want do you think um do you think like transgender
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women should do you think trans what about like in sports do you think transgender women should be
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allowed to play in women's sports oh wait what was the question i'm asking her oh i think it's
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unfair transgender women should be allowed to play with women it's unfair yes if she's a woman then she
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can play sports with other women even in like sports like boxing or like that sort of thing yes yeah
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do you think um do you think women like so you're saying okay when it comes to the sports thing if they
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take the estrogen or whatever and they've lowered their testosterone level you think that that that's
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what makes a woman a woman is her endocrine system no i'm saying if she identifies as a woman then
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she's a woman i see her as a woman oh so she doesn't even have to take uh like hormones to compete
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against women in women's sports if you can give birth you're a woman if you can't give birth you're
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not a woman can i say that i can identify as whatever i want if they can i feel like that's a
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good point right there so i choose to identify as the correct person on this matter and i would like
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for you to affirm my identity a woman is a person who could give birth no i would like here i would
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like for you i identify as correct on this matter and i wish for you to affirm my identity
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if you don't you're a bigot okay slay queen
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go baby girl it's very derogatory that you will not affirm my my identity why won't you
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we can agree to disagree can you turn your mic down and speak we can agree to disagree i don't
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agree to disagree i i will agree that you're wrong and i'm right that's your opinion it's not my opinion
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uh okay well i mean you're just conceding the argument then i mean
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it's kind of like if you're playing soccer um morgan over here she's she plays soccer
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and if the other team just stands there and then just
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lets the other team just keep scoring i mean you're just essentially conceding okay okay all right well
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i disagree to disagree that's fine everyone's entitled to their opinions here all right well i mean uh
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let me ask you this though but if if a transgender i'm confused though if a transgender woman is a woman
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then surely you must believe they would be straight for a man to date a trans woman right no i still think
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no that's a woman i don't think you should reduce her to her previous whatever like however you see
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her and however she identifies that's how i see her and i don't think you should reduce women
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you think women are just a costume i'm so confused i don't know what you're saying
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you can you can be a transgender woman if you get fake boobs you put on a wig you put on some makeup
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i don't think that's really the essence of what a woman is
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all right well you consider personating a woman if you don't have a woman can't give birth
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if you say you're a woman but you can't give birth and then lots of women can't give birth
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so it doesn't make them a woman even if a woman is for genetic reasons or whatever incapable of
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giving birth or she's still too young or too old right you're still a woman women i mean i'm talking
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about a man a man transitioning to a woman he can't have oh yeah they could he can't yes correct
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does that actually make him into the mic or her does actually make him into her a woman because now
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they can't do what we do until it's like an actual technology can invent that for them
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like what would you say to biologically they can't so but what would you say to a woman that feels kind
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of impersonated at the fact that someone's trying to copy the fact that they get birth
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and they're talking about that i mean like it's hard for a woman to reckon with a man wanting to
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be like them and copying them when like we we go through what we go through as a woman already
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then someone wants to be like us but doesn't go through the pain here let me do this by the way
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andrew is coming back his internet just crashed i just got a text from him he'll be back
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um is sex and gender the same thing no may i get my energy drink because genuinely i'm very tired
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is it okay if i bring it to the table okay sure i didn't know if it has to be no you can that's fine
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can you ask me the question again yeah is sex and gender the same thing no no okay so when i
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ask you the question uh is a transgender woman male and you say it's a woman i'm not asking you
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what the gender is i'm asking you what the sex is yeah i understand what you're saying that's
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male signed male at birth you know that's yeah they were assigned male at birth but are you willing
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to state that in the in this now in the moment now they are male i wouldn't say male i would say amab
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it just it just it just is less derogatory how okay so explain to me how it's derogatory
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i think you know you're reducing someone to you know their previous how they were born but that's
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not who they identify as that's not who they are but you do you can you change your sex
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no but you can change your gender so yeah i've already granted to you that they
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that in well at least i'm not actually granting but for the sake of the conversation
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i'm granting to you that the gender has changed the gender has went from man to woman
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okay but you've already you've just said that you can't change your sex right yes okay if you so this
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is the entailment of your own position now that you've just said that you cannot change your sex
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so if you were born male and you are male right
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you're not a female if you're a transgender woman correct correct so you're still what
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do you agree with the following statement a transgender woman is male
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transgender woman is a woman are you just biologically yes i'm using your own it's trans
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transitioning gender but what sex are they no no hold on okay cool transgender woman is a woman what sex are
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i'm just i'm really done with this conversation
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but are you gonna offend somebody i don't understand like it occurs to me like you know
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the answer to this why but why won't you say it like it's not i don't think this is offensive
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again we can disagree on the matter no i can't i literally can't disagree that's hey that's your
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stance this is my stance but i know even ends of the table but but i'm i'm just i've walked you
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through it so you said you can't change your sex right so you've you've already conceded there
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you can't change your sex okay if you can't change your sex if you're a male and you cannot become a
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female if you were a male change you're changing your gender identity does not change that you're a
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male you have to using your own concessions already you'd have to agree with to this i understand what
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do you what am i tell me what i'm saying steel man my position
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like i said i'm done with this conversation i mean we just keep circling and like we're good you know
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um you want to talk about anything else or do you want to just stare at each other for another hour
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i'm willing to move on but i just it on this condition define a woman for me and we'll move on
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i don't i don't know how to i don't know if i can give a definition of what a woman is this
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i think a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman regardless of what sex you were given at birth
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my security guard back there desmond um could he
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can he like right now if he identifies as a woman is he a woman
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but you're saying he so then it would be she her so if desmond she her she she desmond
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hey desmond do me a favor um desmond can you just say i identify as a woman my pronouns are she her
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it is true desmond is this true are you willing to say this on camera desmond
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um love you baby girl can i get a definition though and then i'll move along i i can't give
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uh moving on yeah i guess i'm moving on all right final things here then we're going to do
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rest session then we're going to wrap up the show
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uh what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband
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uh actually i should this is going to be out of order because people moved around emily dang
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uh you said six figures plus that's understandable okay uh and then
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cali minimum income um it doesn't matter to me gina
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wow you're not even talking in the microphone why don't you put the microphone back where it was so
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you can it was right here just turn it move it move it that way and just scoot it scoot it scoot it
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yep okay does it matter no as long as you can provide for me so it does matter i mean it doesn't
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so if you exactly what it sounds like it doesn't matter exactly like i don't know like california
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yes you want to stay in california probably i'm not sure okay um do you want to get married yes you
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want to have kids yes how many kids um i don't know yeah honest maybe like two three three maybe
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okay and then uh while you're pregnant do you want to be working not while pregnant and then after
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they're born do you want to be working or do you want to stay at home i mean it depends like
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what type of job i'm doing like if it's like a simple or something it's something that i'm passionate
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about i don't mind damien can you open the um but so do you want to stay at home
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i mean how about until the youngest is into kindergarten
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i don't know so this could be like seven years maybe like i said like if i'm passionate about
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something i don't mind working it doesn't like really matter about like but okay but if you have
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kids like do you want to not work if i have kids i would know i mean i kind of just answer that
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while they're young probably not when they get older yeah yeah like well i'm pregnant is different
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but if i have kids in your household once you have kids and you're married uh do you want one
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or two cars one or two cars yeah well my car and my man's car so two okay how big of a house would
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you like to live in with your two kids master and then a bedroom for each kid yeah like a house how many
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bedrooms that's kind of well it depends how many kids i have i can't just say like oh i want this
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okay well okay two rooms plus mine so three three rooms how many bathrooms two two okay you want a
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big backyard yes okay uh would you like kind of more luxury appliances and you know would you want
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the uh what's the term uh what part of town would you like to live in i'm not sure where do you
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currently live in like la area okay uh do you want to what kind of lifestyle would you like would you
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like to go on a couple vacations a year yes okay uh and are you going to be uh do you want a 50 50
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relationship or do you want your man to be the breadwinner well i'm always going to be a breadwinner so
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i don't ever mind putting money on the table however you said you disagreed in your notes you
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said disagree to women should go 50 50 on the first date and women should go 50 50 the entire
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relationship no so you okay i didn't mean to put that i was kind of like in a rush because you did
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say you want a provider so this seems to me this would indicate that you want somebody makes more i
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feel like every woman wants a provider though so it's kind of like okay that's so you want two kids
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you want a three-bedroom house you want to stay in southern california two two bathrooms uh you
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want two cars you want to go on vacation a couple times a year you sure it doesn't matter how much
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your man makes like i said i don't care about the amount as long as he can provide for me so if he's
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making well enough so he works at mcdonald's you want to have that lifestyle okay well like i said
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the amount doesn't matter as long as he can provide for me so i don't have like an
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oh he has to be a billionaire you know how much would he have how much would he have to make to
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be able to have all that like 100k a year six figures yeah yeah 200k like yeah like i don't
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even know how much you would have to make like yeah that's why i didn't even really answer it because
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it's like i don't know how much exactly amelia you say you uh 100k 100k six figures okay it doesn't
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really matter emily you also want a six-figure earner and then catalina you don't care i'm also
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bringing money too so and then tanya you say 80k question mark i was being realistic you know
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okay yeah i was trying to be realistic too i got 100k still a little bit lower for all that that i
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want but you know it works you can make it work baby and then emily uh uh your 5'5 and the minimum
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height you need to for guys 5'9 maybe 10 i put 5'9 and a half yeah you like them tall
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okay all right uh cali 5'4 you don't care gina 5'4 and six feet no i'm 5'4 yeah but six six foot is
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the minimum for you to date yes you're like i'm tall too uh well actually i don't really care about
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height i'm kind of a little like i'm only saying six foot because my my man is six six one so i'm
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saying that's like the minimum amelia you're five eight uh the man has to be taller than you so like
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five ten five nine five ten a little bit it's a little inch taller i mean there's not to be a
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giant i don't want a giant catalina doesn't care tanya you're five foot you can't be shorter than
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me i cannot do a short game even though i love you guys personality okay all right um
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um i would like to do the delusion calculator for emily delusion calculator for what's that
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oh wow gina and for emilia oh oh okay let's get the delusion calculator going and then we're
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going to do the rest guys i'm going to tts tts uh guys tts is 20 but i'll come as well
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you got it to be fair i was rushed all right uh let's uh we're gonna go emily first go ahead
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how do you do this female delusion all right so tell them the give them your answers for these
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the age of who are married so you'll date a 20 year old exclude married oh for the minimum 22. okay
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you can only choose one you can't like select multiple races it's any or one like any color what would you
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not date white people um why won't you date white people it's not my preference oh and you won't
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date black no black is what i would choose like if i had to pick out of those four black so black okay
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why won't you pick why won't you date white people just curious um like my my mom grew up or she dated
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white guys and asian guys and i was just into like hispanics and black guys it's just my
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people just don't find white guys attractive no sure it's my dog okay i don't mean my white boys
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mm-hmm um minimum income oh uh do we scroll back up exclude obese yeah let's check that one
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yeah okay exclude obese okay yeah i like this um minimum income
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ideally i said six figures but realistically i'll say 60 60k because i can make my own money too you
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know i'm aspiring to get my masters so i won't need to depend on him too much you said six figures
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though so make it 100k i would prefer for my band to make more money so you better match me baby
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okay uh find out all right probability that's 0.15 percent
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uh that's tough that's why i'm single yep now my turn i'm curious about this all right let's do amelia now
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see how deludeo i am they couldn't even give me a full percent guys tts is 20. we'll get them going in a
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sec tts what's that again questions next to speech oh so for age gap the youngest would be 22 i'll do a year
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and exclude no i'll get married so leave that um why i like my white boys i'm trying to take back my land
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so i'll do that and minimum height 5 10 the tallest i would do probably scluto bees i cannot um minimum
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income 100k because i'm gonna be a travel nurse so i'm about to make that much too so he better match
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me or make more one of the two and yeah find out okay so more probability right 1.5
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oh you got a full percent is that good right all right okay and then let's do it for uh gina
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why me what the heck possibility i'm in a relationship so i don't really need to do this
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to be fair okay you just list your man yeah yeah which is i'm literally gonna put everything that
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that my man like but uh do you guys want to like maybe no i don't think she's not gonna do it um
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standards a little bit you know no really good question they need to change their incomes to
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meet my standards i actually have a really good question on this hold on oh shit i just click on
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dang it uh one sec guys sorry i accidentally closed my notes closed out my notes the question is
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is if you got this is for the whole panel starting with you if you got 80 of everything you want in
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your ideal partner would you be happy with that yes yeah yes yes 80 is it yeah 80 like i already had
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that or is it settling yeah i don't so baby yeah that's a good person so then mike would be helpful
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yeah i don't care okay cool uh all right um cool uh guys tts is 20 tts is 20 we're going to do the
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rough session brief rest session and then we're going to wrap up my eye is killing me i'm gonna go
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blind me too vector donated twenty dollars chair one thanks for showing your woke fangs are you guilty of
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misgendering someone who identifies as gender fluid you have to keep up even if they change gender
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30 times a minute thank you man vector donated twenty dollars andrew let's not stigmatize a digital
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format pdf files are an ubiquitous technology far be it from the digital gods to rename them the cleveland
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guardians had it rough hashtag bring back cleveland indians thank you vector vector donated twenty
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women want equality i'm pretty sure you would not want to operate off of man's definition of essay
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how about the reverse casually touch a man risk getting sued it's going to be really bugged boys
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really bugged boys uh oh really quick let's do twitch before we get into the next roast guys twenty
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dollar twenty dollar roast this this panel needs a roast boys get your roast up also guys go to
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uh i think it's bugged twitch is definitely bugged boys if you guys can drop us a prime sub also can you
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guys get us to uh a million followers before the end of the stream thank you guys appreciate it all right
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oh a million devon jackson donated twenty dollars the poly single mom really refused to use mail as
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its derogatory but then used baby girl in a derogatory manner toward brian and desmond yeah you're not
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woke you're a hypocrite yeah you i i don't go by baby girl my pronouns what about baby boy yeah that's
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really insensitive and derogatory to i am he him okay baby boy so baby boys also identifies an adult
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male so please don't use baby either oh okay i'm very offended and the baby community is also very
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offensive you there donated twenty dollars why is brian obsessed with trying to put down trans people dot
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only immature bigots and closeted people don't respect someone's journey dot also fantasizing about other
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oct entering a hole and worrying bc is sus wait what um
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they said something about entering holes so maybe i have no idea i got no idea um that's something i
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would never do boys get your 20 get your tts in get your roasts in we're about to wrap the show any
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final thoughts from many of the panelists before we wrap would any girls here ever peg a man or no
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we always i would not have i would not i would never has anybody here done it my
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my best friend did actually to her boyfriend yikes yeah candace close name sorry oh oh boy
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um and he liked it i heard that is terrible that is wow you oh you did it i did try you
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was a guy the it was a guy yeah took his manly hood straight from him no he was already gay
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the pet dude was it the pet dude or no oh no no no no he he's not gay but it was a it was the guy
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from russia chad donated twenty dollars latino and asian women having height preferences is hilarious
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chill bae your dad is five apostrophe six oh man my dad's actually five ten my dad's six feet and i'm
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five eight i'm latina born in mexico so that statement does not work for me
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wrongful rage donated twenty dollars well just as andrew got his popcorn his internet burnt him
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everyone into the crystals thank you rage appreciate it man
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ogle donated twenty dollars chair one is the kind of person who won't admit when they're so very
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clearly wrong it doesn't get less attractive than that hope she thinks on this who are they talking
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about chair one can i ask you one question oh god actually it whatever room 667 donated 20
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according to google the average income in america is less than 38 000 so good luck on finding your prince
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charming oh he's out there i know that oh he's out there i know that so yeah jack underscore m donated
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twenty dollars chair number one absolutely gross and detestable prime example of the social
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illness in america you are the problem peen equals male the equals female fake meat does not count
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thank you uh jack appreciate it average man donated twenty dollars chair five if men have to change
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a lifestyle please inform the average man on how we can out of nowhere make six figures and somehow grow
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taller and fit your minimum standards i just said fix your income not your height but there's surgeries for
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that if you made enough from your income you would know that don't guys don't do that surgery even
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even for sure don't it's bad cajun tater donated twenty dollars i identify as your king with no
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equals and only one superior jesus the king of kings to affirm my identity you pay minimum 15 of your income
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as taxes a firm or you're literally committing a hate crime
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the baby community donated twenty dollars rules for she not for we we feel sad and while we cannot
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climb back into the comfort of our pregnant persons excuse us woman's womb maybe we can fight
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for peace when we identify as adults the baby community thank you so much for the tts appreciate
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it we have uh i was not reading it oh uh brian ryan yeah that guy talked mad shit about you on bradley
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martin's podcast now we own the fuck out of you uh i mean me and andrew did the 2v2 debate um
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i'm pretty sure he's he's got that reversed i didn't see the clip with bradley martin
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uh i think bradley martin is kind of a secret hater of the podcast um
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um that's my impression of of bradley i don't really know what his deal is i get the impression
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he's kind of uh massive hater so i'll have somebody send me the clip and i'll take a look
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uh all right guys last call guys last call on the tts final thoughts from anybody else before we wrap up
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final call all right guys one set guys we're gonna do a raid over there on twitch
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final call guys final call final call if you want to get a tts in guys i don't know if i can play
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world of warcraft i don't know man i don't know if i can do it on thursday i got so much going on
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i'm already dead tired this week we'll see um jack underscore m donated twenty dollars
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care number one going to turn your nose up at me at least have the confidence to look at the camera
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you averting your gaze just makes you look more wrong
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any dicks for me no yeah dig her devon jackson donated twenty dollars we aren't roasting the
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dog walker enough you're gross and no one believed your crocodile tears chair four redhead latina your
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barrel does not match your thighs chair one i hope you reflect on a world view period
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okay yo davon good to see you in the chat man appreciate it all right who are we gonna rate
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on twitch let's see here follow we are going to
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uh whack podcast thank you man appreciate it um fake news though so thank you discuss the clip where
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you reveal you can't it got muted so uh because you said you used that word um discuss the clip
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where you reveal you can't find a girl's clit total fake news
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total fake news fake news um yeah um and then
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yeah also what was homophobic that was said on tonight's show that's i he said it was homophobic
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right-wing moral hypocrisy what was i don't know what was homophobic
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what was um okay cool thank you bro brandon 53323 donated 20 dollars in the bathroom on my phone
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avoiding work never have i felt more like a woman this is uh yeah you gotta just uh
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uh you also gotta walk to a far away bathroom that's the other trick
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trying to burn some time uh all right let's see here um
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um all right cool uh let's see where oh there's some more coming in
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like chair seven donated twenty dollars a girl in chair seven is the prettiest in the room
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it's for you uh opposite of a roast sucks cut it out thank you but i disagree i think everyone's
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beautiful you're so sweet oh yeah ogle donated twenty dollars chair three are you wearing any of your
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own jewelry what no i am not actually because i don't wear my fancy jewelry out especially on the
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dacre davis donated twenty dollars number six is a snow white queen grim will do in the face wicked
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witch of the east west and the south dog walking flat back rat face nasty ashy hawks
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catch us outside gina we got you baby girl oh shit um wait so okay before i let you i don't even
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understand what he said um really quick i know we we didn't get into this but so when it comes to
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body count right allow you guys said body count shouldn't matter doesn't matter um i think you were
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kind of like the biggest proponent of this uh if body count shouldn't matter doesn't matter it's in
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your past what's your body count um 13 no no it's 11 it's 11. you were you counting like
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no because i just updated it recently in my notes i remember it's 11.
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do you keep a separate count for other acts body count matters to me i'll say i'm insecure i'd like
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to know my man's body count wait oh my are you serious you literally argued about that for like
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i didn't say i am not insecure or i do not care about body count me okay you're just saying it's
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sincere you were arguing that it is insecure yeah okay all right um
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body count 11. really yeah okay me and the porn relationships in a couple of points
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range how about a range under five okay body count one body count five cap body count i've already said it
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it one right oh two okay i have no idea i thought you okay range i'm a virgin actually clearly yeah
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range i don't know i've never i've never thought about it think about it i'll get i'm gonna let
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three chats come through and we'll come right you can think about it just do the you know not the
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shots will you get me another energy drink if i think about it vector donated 20 i'll do you one better
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i hope chair one doesn't become anorexic it would be offensive to not label her fat
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wait what what does that even mean here i'll give you a two dollar bill if you reveal
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the true body count i have no idea i'm not i'm not joking how about is it more than 50 no
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more than a hundred no more than a thousand no more than 20. she already said no to 50. i know the math
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isn't nothing more than more than 20. i don't think so
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doesn't know how definitions work can't define woman with the word woman chair four fine as
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trying to link she's got boyfriend daddy whoa what the
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fuck bro oh my god i did not mean to say that fuck you dude oh my gosh rude
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do you want to link with that guy she's loyal to her oh wait wait i don't know i was good i
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wasn't even thinking i'm sorry it just said chair fine fine as
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fuck trying to link me yeah that's you you deserve better
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she loyal sorry sorry tiberius donated twenty dollars chair six i hope your dog runs away
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thor donated twenty dollars what happened to chair two from earlier btw brain
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loves fat fucking burritos in his mouth and comes out his fat dump truck
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hit the gym buddy i got this way you're right bro thank you man thank you jack underscore m donated
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twenty dollars chair number one i'm going to keep calling you out you think that not talking will
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make this go away but no i have my resources to keep this up brian you should have booted her
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matthew donated twenty dollars all you women say you want a man with 100k how would y'all feel
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with men in military that has all the benefits to give you like housing and college tuition
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question mark by the way thor uh chair two she is like a rage quit or something i don't
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that was your friend right she left because i think she got triggered over something i don't know
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yeah uh all right michigan christian donated twenty dollars enjoyed the accountability men want
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modest and attractive women not old liberal 304 degenerates another panel full of women i would
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never date w andrew for exposing yet another for conservative uh would you guys date a military
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guy going back to matthews no i would not show of hands show of hands would you be gone all the
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time and i wouldn't like that you could close the door uh i don't miss them too much i just stay
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in bed and watch that and then they're kind of squares too so bender the offender donated twenty
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brian when you brought the red-haired latina back on did she come from the back alley
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that's horrible i think they're talking about i don't even have red hair but okay um all right
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guys we're gonna wrap up the show here uh if you want you can get your final one in oh wait hold on
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gambit 90 donated twenty dollars weak panel the last panel was great why was there no roast
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session on that one wanted to call the blonde delulu should have kicked out the latino vibes ruined
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since the cat fight well i mean like the last show was just my bondolulu no i mean our cat fight
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helped raise there wasn't real i mean we we did like 69 but it was like already so late it was like
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two three a.m or some shit it was a 10 hour stream so i was like we just didn't have time to do a row
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session ogle donated twenty dollars can each panel guest answer which of the other panelists there is the
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i don't think anybody cares who's the most annoying
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and by the way i'm glad you did it sorry man they don't want oh now you want to be
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donated twenty dollars chair number one i'm still hee ee air ee ee ee ee ee also brian can i get the
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story on your guts trophy ask last show but someone spilled water and it got usurped wait the water got
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usurped no one spilled water are you tripping why are you so obsessed with me wait what happened
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about the water uh the guts i just i was a show i watched when i was young so kind of like nostalgia
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concern it put employee donated twenty dollars chair six i hope you are a responsible dog owner
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and got them chipped and neutered up to date with shots and express his glands every bath you also need
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to send them off to dog obedience school wow by the way uh gambit i do uh i do appreciate you
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continuing the uh wait is it gambit who's the one were we talking about jaz m or someone oh who paid
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like 60 bucks already i don't know is it 20 bucks talking about the dog okay i don't own a dog you guys
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are the most popular ones i was totally making that shit up um do you guys want to make amends or
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do you guys want to talk more shit no we're good we're good she started it what the hell yeah she did
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fucking start it right she fucking did start to you like that are you gonna let wait are you gonna let
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her talk to you like that are you gonna let her talk she she body shamed you bro look oh my god
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you're a fitness girl bro you're such an instigator brian you're right right you're a fitness girl
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you don't let her talk to you like that she body shamed you bro that's offensive she called me
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go ahead i'll be back in a minute well to be fair you insulted me first so what am i gonna do just
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sit there and be quiet of course not you know but we squash the beef now and they're gonna apologize
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right well i was called a black fat ugly all this damn girl i wasn't even saying anything but i wasn't
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saying anything to you so i'm like why are you gonna like but i didn't want you to leave you look
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healthy to me beautiful i don't think there's anything wrong with you but i didn't want you to
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keep arguing and i didn't want you to leave i wanted you to stay so it got you to stay did it
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no let's apologize you didn't leave of course not i didn't apologize but i wasn't speaking to you
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move on i know but you just kind of just like jumped in for no reason but i mean whatever let's
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apologize i don't hold grudges luckily but you're lucky this wasn't outside of the podcast
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because baby i promise you i know i'm not about that can i put my instagram about emilia david
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can we make amends if you apologize first three s's underscore follow me fine only because i'm a
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woman of god woman of god so where i put my instagram handle oh yeah follow me guys on gina prada
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okay now my turn follow me emilia david three s's underscore at the end is that a thing if i hit by a
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woman i kind of look a little masculine on my side i don't know you look a little mask not gonna
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lie it's just the hair it's just the hair put up it goes down why don't you put the hair down i own
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shit it's all good game but how do kids we know i have a vagina so it's all good so we know you're a
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woman yeah i'm just a tomboy it's all good it's okay to be a little play sports sound good it's all
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right in the hood and you guys honestly i think someone in the chat gave me a bbl allegation and
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that has been my goal so thank you very much you know what i mean that's such a we love the bbl
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allegations okay no i don't but we actually take it as a compliment stop so if you're in la and you need
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a trainer hit my line gina prada a lot of girls wish they look like you have boobs and butt so if
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you want thank you to look like you have a bbl and you don't if you want bbl allegations hit me up
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body countants don't say can't disclose i will first off i ain't disclosing that for a 20 dollar
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subject uh second i'll do it for a bitcoin send me a bitcoin i will disclose my body count live on
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camera i will do it for a bitcoin how much is a bitcoin it's about uh i don't know exactly it's
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like 70 000. it's like 80 80 90 000 right now i need to figure out who has bitcoins now bitcoin
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right now 93 excuse me oh it went up to 93 93 000. that's a million i was like whoa you should have
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invested but you fucked up i did fuck up you fucked i fucked up yeah damn i didn't invest in bitcoin let's
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go doge guys buy doge um can i still invest into bitcoin vector donated 20
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chair four can you stop being an emotional state machine that is always stuck on sassy
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oh wait no no that's not right i withdraw my question a sassy state machine is a sassy state machine
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word wait what brandon 53323 donated 20 dollars somebody hit somebody i need more behind the scenes
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content on the discord he's telling you guys you should no should what no we're good
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i love how she's like no no we're good she don't want this we're good over here yeah all right she
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don't want this note that's too much drama yeah let's fight catfinding with verbals have you ever
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been in a fight with a woman oh i gave it to a woman i did i got two black guys hope you're watching
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me baby oh have you ever killed somebody no that goes against god and alive to hear i i knocked them out
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with my nobody's worth not me to going to heaven for so yeah i would never do that hit to the back
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of the head it only takes one hit sometimes ogle donated twenty dollars i was gonna send btc or
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another crypto before but couldn't find the address to do so fyi ogle send me a dm i mean i can uh
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fix that i'll uh i'll see my addy right now i'll send you the address yeah but uh if anybody wants to
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ever send like crypto or anything i can send you addresses if you'd rather donate that way
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unfortunately it's not like linked up to stream lab so but if you guys want to contribute and be
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patrons of the show via crypto we can accept crypto all patronage is uh welcome and very much
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appreciated because if it wasn't for uh wasn't for you guys wasn't for the uh the viewers the we
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wouldn't be able to do the show because we don't we're fan funded essentially so uh how many of
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yours by the way i just want to say something i know this isn't something that came up on this show
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uh there's been a recently like i got criticism from this was like two three shows ago this girl
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who's sitting here she's like oh you wouldn't do this shit for free it's like you gotta understand
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right is my expenses to run this is is a lot yeah and my time i work 70 70 80 hours a week running the
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show there's that and it's not free to run this like i'm not some streamer who's like playing a video
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game in my bedroom like this is a studio really involved production it's a business yeah it's really
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involved like i could see how like somebody who's just playing video games on their computer in their
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bedroom you know how oh you could do it for free for fun but it's like something like this
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i'll say this i'm i looked at it and my total expenses i'm pretty sure for my total expenses for
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this year were 300 000 so far so far 300 000 so far right there yeah so this is expensive it's not
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free you know so yeah i can't i wouldn't do it for free because then i'd be losing 300 000 a year
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trying to do it so damn please send you oh by the way brian i've never fought a girl i was just oh okay
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so all right um let's see here so the minimum oh my gosh i'm making donated 20 dollars chair one
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looks like the wish.com version of katy perry i was thinking you look like that's hilarious oh wait
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katy perry that's a compliment all the time yeah i didn't even see i know i see a little bit just a
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little bit hey she's pretty she's beautiful better than other things you've been saying anyways um
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okay so let us see how let's do the twitch raid okay uh let me do the outro then we'll raid alidar
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let's see all right uh gg well played to the panel hold on i fucked it up well played wait gg well
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tired to the panel last call hit the like button please on your way out thank you for tuning in
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tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that thank you to
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everyone who so generously super chats donates and supports the show we will be live again sun
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today tuesday yeah we'll be live again sunday at 5 p.m pacific any girls who want to be on the
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show dm out whatever on instagram if you can make it to santa barbara let me see if there's any others
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that came through doesn't look like it uh let's see thank you guys for watching on twitch thank you to
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the panel appreciate it you guys were um it was kind of a mid panel no offense um anyway so i'm
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gonna raid alidar uh no i'm kidding you guys were fantastic you're amazing like always all right
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uh okay we're gonna raid alidar on twitch he's playing i don't know he's playing world of warcraft
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so we're gonna raid him uh tell him to go i don't know if he's playing tell him that he has to guys guys
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guys okay those of you watching on twitch tell him he needs to kill this shitty gnome mage he needs to
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tell him he needs to he needs to sack what level what level does it say what level he's got like four
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spells oh he's level seven he can suicide it's uh it's a network combo okay i didn't say that my bad
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but then in order to tell him tell him he needs to uh kill his own character i think this is hardcore
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no no is it hardcore i don't know i'm is he playing hardcore i only know how to play moral
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combat and i'm really good at it wait hold on i'm gonna send a message is this hardcore if it is it
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doesn't matter answer that shit alidar some people some people won't want to go toren just to be able
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to do that answer that shit whatever this is this this is not hard oh my god okay tell him he still has to
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kill his character are you playing with the only fangs group whatever all right we're gonna send we're
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sending the raid to him your name uh only fangs you should definitely be in there only fangs only
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fangs okay all right uh we're gonna send the raid while you're doing the whatever podcast tell him
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guys when you go over there tell him he needs to kill his character okay he needs to kill his character
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to a uh boar he needs to kill his character to the boar okay sending raid now thank you guys for
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watching on twitch or maybe whatever could have like his own hardcore raiding team and get these uh
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some of these uh you know incredibly nice young ladies that he has on his podcast uh
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that's why is that why you're asking if this is hardcore or not
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my lord thank you very much welcome everyone from the whatever podcast
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you're here for the norm known death i do not die dude i do not die
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i am invincible is this what you do in your free time for those right from the podcast if you played
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world of warcraft how about this how about we get some of these nice fine young ladies that whatever
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always seems to have on his podcast um you know the ones that are wearing like um you know basically
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just bras um and and have him do hardcore with them i mean hardcore world of warcraft
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i didn't mean hardcore anything else hardcore hardcore world of warcraft um
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what is this uh somebody asked do you ever watch the whatever podcast i watch it all the time yeah
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unfortunately when i stream oh my god he's not gonna do it okay doing his podcast as well all right
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uh okay no chats came through okay that's it oh uh okay i'll read this or anisa can you um
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read this please hi brian hope you're well man watching this podcast it is more clear to me
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that andrew is clearly exposing hidden feminists also are you wearing a white hoodie so you don't see the
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lint yeah learn something hey you know change up you know it's never too late to change
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the clothes you wear okay uh daniel stein thank you for the uh super chat appreciate it man all
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right guys like the video please on your way out uh that's pretty much it oh sevens in the chat oh
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sevens in the chat i hope you guys have a good night and we will see you on sunday good night guys