Alex Jones Show - 20021126_Grijalva_Alex

00:00:00.000 The T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

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00:00:22.000 Welcome ladies and gentlemen to another hour of this live Monday edition of the Alex Jones Show.

00:00:28.000 Already the 25th of November, 2002.

00:00:31.000 We're joined by Rahul Rahalva, and he is a congressman-elect.

00:00:37.000 Here's the headline.

00:00:38.000 Arizona leaders at the state and federal level are calling for investigators, investigations into armed civilian patrols along the state's border with Mexico.

00:00:48.000 At issue is the safety of the people on the border.

00:00:50.000 And the legality of the so-called militia groups formed out of frustration at the inability of the U.S.

00:00:56.000 border agents to slow illegal immigration from Mexico.

00:00:59.000 Now, millions a year, just right there in Cochise County, we've had the newspaper editor on who called for the militia to be formed.

00:01:07.000 Last week, we covered the Arizona Republic news reports, and we're now joined by Congressman Grill Halva.

00:01:14.000 Congressman, thank you for coming on the show today to talk about your concerns.

00:01:19.000 Welcome.

00:01:19.000 Welcome and thank you for inviting me.

00:01:22.000 You bet.

00:01:22.000 So, exactly what's happening and you're quoted here saying you're very concerned about this.

00:01:28.000 I think the rhetoric you're hearing from some of the leaders of these groups is very dangerous to the overall security of the region.

00:01:33.000 You said the potential for violence is escalating and I think the whole situation has to be investigated.

00:01:39.000 Yeah, those were the comments and I think it's It's uh... you know the whole border region is is uh... is a national problem and and uh... you know that

00:01:52.000 uh... an agreement that the the policy in place to fail whatever perspective

00:01:56.000 you take it it it has failed

00:01:59.000 and the consequence of that failure is either people dying in the desert

00:02:02.000 or the other uh...

00:02:04.000 consequence that we're seeing now is that is a called armed with a call to

00:02:07.000 militia to patrol uh...

00:02:10.000 and uh... have civilian groups doing that and i think that is the

00:02:14.000 a dangerous turn in the long run and and and just aggravate the crisis in the short term

00:02:20.000 well congressman look uh...

00:02:23.000 we know that they forestry officer just got shot and killed

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00:02:30.000 We know Mexican troops are routinely firing and shooting at border patrol vehicles.

00:02:33.000 We know that drugs are being brought across.

00:02:35.000 We know that homes are being broken into.

00:02:39.000 Water systems are being broken.

00:02:41.000 We know that if you or I try to sneak across the Mexican border, we'll get shot, or if we're lucky, end up six months in a dirt floor jail.

00:02:50.000 So, you know, to hear that, oh, you know, the Americans are being abusive, I mean, I'm a Texan.

00:02:56.000 I've been across the border many times with Mexico.

00:02:59.000 No, it's not a question of accepting, sir.

00:03:01.000 with the federalism mexican troops and the rest of it i mean

00:03:04.000 uh... bush has called more border patrol off that area of your area of

00:03:09.000 of arizona dot all over the news what are the people supposed to do there just just accept

00:03:14.000 uh... that's a little bit no it's not a question of accepting sir it's a quick

00:03:18.000 question of uh...

00:03:20.000 the issue of people are in themselves and having civilian militia patrolling the border

00:03:25.000 when that is a legitimate law enforcement uh... issue and it's an a legitimate issue in a result of

00:03:32.000 of federal policy that that the federal intervention

00:03:35.000 at the federal role that need to be played out there and uh... i think uh... you know my disagreement is that

00:03:40.000 it with the whole thing is that having uh...

00:03:43.000 armed militias or vigilantes, whatever the name might be appropriate at the time,

00:03:48.000 to be taking the law into their own hands.

00:03:50.000 And this is a federal law, and the jurisdiction, and the due process, and the civil rights are all federal

00:03:57.000 issues.

00:03:58.000 And the call for the investigation is, is this aggravating the situation worse than it already is?

00:04:04.000 You know, at a national level, we're not dealing with the issue of immigration.

00:04:07.000 It's been put on the backburners.

00:04:09.000 There's discussions, financial discussions occurring today between the Bush administration and the Fox administration on the issue.

00:04:15.000 But we have a complex problem that a simplistic attitude of calling Picking up arms is not going to solve, and all it does is acclimate it.

00:04:24.000 But that's what the Mexican troops do.

00:04:26.000 They pick up arms all the time, and people try to interfere with drug shipments.

00:04:30.000 And they're shooting people, running around shooting at vehicles.

00:04:34.000 They've been captured coming across the border ten miles.

00:04:37.000 I mean, Mexico, everybody whines about what the U.S. 1.00

00:04:41.000 is doing.

00:04:41.000 What about Mexico?

00:04:42.000 Well, there's a joint responsibility here.

00:04:45.000 That's why the discussions have to be bi-national.

00:04:50.000 If those behaviors that you're illustrating to me are indeed true, that still begs the question, should then our civilian side and the American side take up that same kind of behavior?

00:05:04.000 And my response to that is no.

00:05:06.000 One bad deed does not reward another bad deed.

00:05:09.000 We're talking to Congressman Raul Grijalva, and he has just been elected there as a new congressman from that area of Arizona.

00:05:19.000 look at that you say it's an obvious problem

00:05:23.000 but here's the headline bush to push for amnesty blanket amnesty we know the

00:05:28.000 corporations want the cheap labor we know that i i i want the constituency

00:05:33.000 and uh...

00:05:34.000 they tried in the media to make this a racial issue i don't care what color you

00:05:38.000 are we got four hundred million people in latin america another

00:05:41.000 ten to twenty million birth a year

00:05:43.000 they're all coming this way and we've got uh... six

00:05:47.000 plus billion people outside the western world they're all coming this way 0.99

00:05:51.000 and we got to do something now i mean

00:05:55.000 but i don't i don't want to live in calcutta

00:05:58.000 or something and i live in texas and and and i know it's as bad as arizona

00:06:03.000 uh... i mean it's like the power of battle I can't talk to half the people on the street.

00:06:07.000 They can't talk to me.

00:06:09.000 The cops are out pushing all the illegals around. 1.00

00:06:11.000 Good training for them, for the police state.

00:06:13.000 This is bad all the way around.

00:06:15.000 I mean, how many illegals do we have to take here? 1.00

00:06:18.000 I don't think that's the issue.

00:06:20.000 The issue is that The issue that you're specifically asking about, the whole policy of migration and immigration, and what we're doing about it, has been a neglected issue in the Southwest and all over this country.

00:06:31.000 It's not just happening here, it happens... But it's not neglected, it's a policy to leave the border wide open.

00:06:36.000 How come they say, give up your right to homeland security?

00:06:38.000 Let's examine for a second the policy that's in place now.

00:06:43.000 The policy of containment, the policy of sealing the border, the policy of gatekeeper, the policy of putting up walls, Now, if that deterrent that was seen as the way to do it, and if we follow your logic to seal that border, has that worked?

00:07:00.000 No, it has not worked.

00:07:01.000 It's exasperated the problem.

00:07:02.000 People are dying in the desert, and you have a call for arms on the part of American civilians.

00:07:06.000 That is not solving the issue.

00:07:09.000 The issue is much more complex and needs a much broader, comprehensive approach to it, and we're not doing that.

00:07:15.000 The ball has been dropped at many levels.

00:07:18.000 And one of the levels that's been dropped is at the national level with this Congress.

00:07:22.000 And now, belatedly, this administration is beginning to understand that if we don't deal with this problem, this problem is just going to get worse and worse.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, but the way that you and Vicente Fox, as I'm reading some of your other quotes from your other story, is to give more amnesty, which will only take another 20 million people up here and our infrastructure can't... This is legalizing a reality.

00:07:41.000 You're legalizing the reality?

00:07:42.000 There you go.

00:07:43.000 Just capitulate to it.

00:07:45.000 Let the whole 400 million just come right on up here with all the police state and the way of life down there.

00:07:52.000 And I've been to Mexico many times and that is not the type of government I want for this country.

00:07:57.000 Now I'll agree with you.

00:07:58.000 It's a reality that our government is becoming as tyrannical as the Mexican government. 1.00

00:08:03.000 Or the Venezuelan government, or the Chilean government, and I'm really freaked out about it.

00:08:08.000 I have to tell you, I mean, I'm so worried about America, I might move down to Costa Rica.

00:08:12.000 It's not that I don't want to be around Latin people, it's that I don't want to be around a government that has two tiers in society, and, I mean, it's going to destroy our wages, destroy our infrastructure, to have this $400 million coming this way. 1.00

00:08:27.000 Well, I think the number's exaggerated, sir.

00:08:29.000 With all due respect, there's not $400 million coming this way.

00:08:32.000 The issue is... Yeah, $20 million every year!

00:08:35.000 No, I don't think that number's correct.

00:08:38.000 I think the issue of legalization, the issue of unification of families, the issue of the guest worker program and temporary workers are all issues that are on the table because there is no other way to deal with this issue other than to accept the reality.

00:08:53.000 Congressman, isn't this really about a Pan-American Union?

00:08:55.000 I mean, Bush has got the colored money coming out next year.

00:08:58.000 They're talking about the Amaro in the mainstream news.

00:09:00.000 Isn't this talking about just getting rid of sovereignty of all these countries?

00:09:04.000 I don't think.

00:09:05.000 I think that's... Have you heard about Bush's deal to use multinational troops here domestically, including Mexican and Canadian?

00:09:12.000 No, I have not.

00:09:13.000 Well, that's the Army War College.

00:09:14.000 Are you for Mexican and Canadian troops patrolling America?

00:09:18.000 No, I'm not.

00:09:19.000 The issue of sovereignty is not lost when we talk about the issue of immigration.

00:09:23.000 Well, at least you're more conservative than Bush, then.

00:09:25.000 Well, I wouldn't go that far either, sir.

00:09:29.000 Oh, there you go.

00:09:30.000 Well, I mean, Barbara Boxer's for arming the pilots. 1.00

00:09:32.000 Bush isn't.

00:09:34.000 Uh, Dick Gephardt's for banning partial birth abortion.

00:09:37.000 Uh, Bush isn't.

00:09:38.000 So, I like to illustrate things like that.

00:09:41.000 Okay.

00:09:42.000 So, I'm just showing how ultra-out-of-control, uh, you know, Bush just got one of the most draconian gun control bills ever seen passed through the House.

00:09:49.000 I mean, you'll probably agree with that legislation.

00:09:52.000 Do you agree with that legislation?

00:09:54.000 I just agree with the Brady Bill, and I agree with background checks, and I agree that gun shows should require the same background checks.

00:10:03.000 Absolutely.

00:10:04.000 Well, we've got a caller in Tucson, Arizona.

00:10:08.000 Larry wants to talk to you.

00:10:09.000 Larry, you're on the air with our guest who doesn't want the citizens down there trying to protect their property.

00:10:15.000 Go ahead, Larry.

00:10:16.000 You're on the air with the Congressman.

00:10:17.000 Hi, Raul.

00:10:18.000 You know, one of the things that came up that I'd like to see is I'd like to see the Assets of the Mexican government in the United States frozen and then distributed to all the victims, criminal victims, by the Mexican government, you know, so that we see our hospitals funded.

00:10:34.000 You know, we see all the people that have been hurt and all the damage that these illegals are causing, you know, paid for by the Mexican government. 1.00

00:10:40.000 I wonder if you could do that in Congress and see too that it gets done.

00:10:44.000 The other thing, American people here in Tucson, they know about La Raza and the Hazardland.

00:10:49.000 And they know that the Mexican government is encouraging the illegals to basically push out the Americans so that they can get the land back to Mexico.

00:10:57.000 That's a good question.

00:10:58.000 That's a good question.

00:10:58.000 I've been to some of these meetings and aired some of the tapes.

00:11:01.000 And the president beforehand said this is all one big region, one country.

00:11:06.000 And Oslon and this Mecha thing they call for, do you believe Texas and California and all this are part of a mythical kingdom of crystal pyramids controlled by the Aztecs?

00:11:18.000 No, I don't.

00:11:18.000 But the issue here is that, you know, I don't think this issue needs to be dominated by the kind of stereotyping and prejudices that the one caller did and some of the comments that you've made.

00:11:35.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:11:36.000 I've been to Metsch's website.

00:11:37.000 It says, push the white people out with pictures of M16s. 0.92

00:11:41.000 I got them on video chanting anti-white stuff.

00:11:46.000 I'll tell you what, Congressman, just one more segment, quick break, because let's bring this up, let's talk about it.

00:11:51.000 Because I know a lot of Hispanics that agree with me that listen to this show.

00:11:55.000 Okay, so maybe they'll call in.

00:11:57.000 I'm trying to understand this.

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00:12:04.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:12:11.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

00:12:13.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

00:12:14.000 We're talking to a congressman right now, Rahul Rahalvab, from there in Arizona.

00:12:21.000 Rahul, look, you try to play that race card.

00:12:24.000 I appreciate you joining us.

00:12:26.000 You've got courage to do that.

00:12:28.000 A lot of congressmen don't like doing talk shows.

00:12:32.000 I'm sitting here.

00:12:33.000 My wife speaks Spanish.

00:12:35.000 She speaks French as well as several other languages.

00:12:39.000 and she lived in spain for four years so i can hear what uh...

00:12:43.000 what mexicans are saying

00:12:45.000 i don't know it seems to be here in texas at least like a racial

00:12:49.000 uh... blitzkrieg or laban's prowl or something and i i i i see the

00:12:54.000 the uh... downtown a mexican food restaurant uh... picture of an aztec priest cutting a white person's

00:12:59.000 heart out I can send you links to Metro websites where it's got M16s and flyers that have been handed out.

00:13:05.000 It's been in the national news.

00:13:05.000 You know, push out the gringos.

00:13:08.000 I've got video of it.

00:13:09.000 So, I think a lot of people are getting involved in this racially.

00:13:13.000 People who never thought of themselves racially are... I mean, certainly there are white supremacists, there are black supremacists, there are Hispanic supremacists.

00:13:23.000 Are you saying there isn't a movement in Metro that calls for that?

00:13:27.000 No, my familiarity with what MECHA is doing, and has done, is they talk about political empowerment, they talk about educational achievement, they talk about history, they talk about identity, they talk about diversity.

00:13:41.000 I consider all those things to be legitimate points.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, their history is that Aztecs, a god race, ran Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, California.

00:13:51.000 I mean, do you believe that history?

00:13:55.000 I believe that, yeah, I think there's a link between Mexico and the Southwest.

00:13:59.000 There always has been, and always will continue to be.

00:14:02.000 I thought it was, uh, the Indians of this country are completely different from the Aztecs that were horrible, bloodthirsty Indians that sacrificed people and grabbed up and killed other Indian populations. 1.00

00:14:13.000 I don't think they were very well loved by the Indians.

00:14:18.000 So you, were you a member of Mecha in college?

00:14:21.000 Yeah, when I was at the University of Arizona I was.

00:14:24.000 Well, look...

00:14:26.000 I know that when Tony Sanchez ran for governor, there was a lot of racial politicking, and I think that's what lost him the election.

00:14:33.000 I'm really concerned about this.

00:14:35.000 So, you think it's bad to have citizens... What about the patrols on their own ranches?

00:14:39.000 You think it's bad for folks to arrest people on their own property?

00:14:44.000 I mean, I can do that in my own home or in my backyard at night.

00:14:47.000 They shouldn't be able to do it on their own ranches? 0.99

00:14:49.000 Yeah, the issue of protecting your private property.

00:14:51.000 But I think the issue has gone way beyond there when you are having a national call-to-arm And inviting people from throughout the country to come into the region and patrol and to be armed and to serve as a civilian patrol and a civilian militia.

00:15:06.000 That's gone way beyond the categorization of simply protecting one's property.

00:15:11.000 Why do you think Bush called the Border Patrol two of the teens out of Cochise?

00:15:18.000 I don't know.

00:15:19.000 I would assume that...

00:15:21.000 For deployment reasons somewhere else, but I don't have a good answer for that, no.

00:15:25.000 Well certainly, you know Cochise is one of the biggest areas in the country where they're pouring across.

00:15:32.000 The whole region along the southwest is an area in which, you know, we have a region here in the part of my district where 170 people have died in the desert.

00:15:42.000 Well, now the government's putting water stations up, so that's... And I believe that's totally appropriate.

00:15:49.000 That's a humanitarian act.

00:15:50.000 It has nothing to do with encouragement.

00:15:52.000 It has nothing to do with... Well, why not just put buses in there, then, to ferry them so nobody dies?

00:15:57.000 Well... And if somebody's committing a crime, then why should we... I mean, should we...

00:16:05.000 You'll make it safer for people to break into businesses?

00:16:06.000 I mean, I don't understand it, but look, I've grown up on the border.

00:16:07.000 I know, but one can take exaggerations and conspiracy theories to their illogical point.

00:16:10.000 Wait a minute, Mexican troops have been shooting at Border Patrol vehicles at a forest.

00:16:12.000 One can take exaggerations and conspiracy theories to their illogical point.

00:16:14.000 Wait a minute, Mexican troops have been shooting at Border Patrol vehicles at a forest.

00:16:17.000 One can take exaggerations and conspiracy theories to their illogical point.

00:16:34.000 One can take exagger The tone of this discussion can't be one of pointing fingers and staring at congressmen.

00:16:40.000 The point of this discussion has to be to solve the problem.

00:16:42.000 But are you saying it's a conspiracy theory?

00:16:45.000 Just one question.

00:16:46.000 Are you saying it's a conspiracy theory to say Mexican troops are routinely shooting at Border Patrol and shooting at vehicles?

00:16:51.000 Those individual incidents, as I said earlier, does not beg the question of if that individual incident... Well, what's the conspiracy theory?

00:17:01.000 ...then that does not give Anyone in the right can commit those things.

00:17:06.000 Where's the conspiracy theory?

00:17:07.000 What if I said it's a conspiracy theory?

00:17:09.000 I'm just saying that conspiracy theories can be taken to be absurd.

00:17:12.000 No, you just throw that word out.

00:17:14.000 That's a conspiracy theory.

00:17:15.000 I'm talking about documented stuff here.

00:17:17.000 There's documented stuff on these militias as well that you don't highlight.

00:17:21.000 The documented stuff of their meetings where the whole tone is racist, where the whole tone is white supremacist tone, where things Uh, Nazi literature is handed out.

00:17:32.000 Well, you know, I want to give you a chance to talk about that.

00:17:34.000 You said it was a few minutes before you want to go.

00:17:36.000 I don't bring up those examples because those are... Do you have to leave as congressman or do you want to stay?

00:17:40.000 No, I need to leave pretty soon.

00:17:42.000 Well, you need to stop what you're doing and Mecha is bad.

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