Alex Jones Show - 20030415_Haga_Alex

00:00:00.000 Best-selling, written six best-sellers.

00:00:03.000 He is an economist.

00:00:06.000 He is, of course, a former prosecutor.

00:00:10.000 And so he's very well-rounded, and we really appreciate him joining us for the balance of this hour, the next 49 minutes.

00:00:17.000 Michael Haga, good to have you on the broadcast with us, sir.

00:00:20.000 Well, I enjoyed, uh, appreciate you asking me, Alex.

00:00:25.000 Is that a right-wing attack dog out here in the background?

00:00:29.000 We'll have to.

00:00:30.000 I'm just joking.

00:00:31.000 There we go.

00:00:31.000 You know, I have those too myself.

00:00:33.000 What type of dog is that?

00:00:35.000 It's a young Labrador.

00:00:37.000 Oh, how sweet!

00:00:37.000 I'm at home right now.

00:00:39.000 I ran home to do this.

00:00:40.000 Oh, I appreciate you.

00:00:44.000 Oh no, we're not mad at the barking.

00:00:45.000 We always have dogs barking in the background here on the studio.

00:00:48.000 I'm serious.

00:00:49.000 We got chihuahuas, little creatures.

00:00:53.000 Michael Hager, tell us, for those who don't know, a little bit about yourself, and then launch into what we see developing in some of the latest numbers.

00:01:00.000 About myself, Alex, you're right.

00:01:02.000 I've published six books on economics, basically.

00:01:08.000 Two more are coming out pretty shortly here.

00:01:11.000 One is a novel, another one is an economics book.

00:01:15.000 Gosh, I graduated from Baylor University Law School while I was working on my MBA down there as well.

00:01:22.000 Prosecuted for a while in Colorado and then went into healthcare.

00:01:28.000 And, uh, was with Columbia HCA?

00:01:30.000 Still am, basically.

00:01:32.000 So you know all about the, uh, scams with the new Senate leader?

00:01:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:36.000 And for those that don't know, they had to, you know, pay a big fine.

00:01:39.000 That was admitted.

00:01:40.000 Right.

00:01:41.000 The Frisk family founded Columbia HCA.

00:01:44.000 I was their financial administrator, and now it's just HCA.

00:01:50.000 But, uh, yeah, the whole thing was set up.

00:01:52.000 Um, I don't want to get too deeply into it, but we will never See our seniors being given the things they deserve.

00:02:04.000 Now I heard you today on The Privacy Factor, a great show that comes on before this one, and I heard you talking about, and I've seen this, The airline's got $25 billion payoff by the government, which they could run for two or three years off of.

00:02:17.000 Right.

00:02:18.000 And, you know, with a total loss, they're really using this economy as an excuse to rip people off, to lay off.

00:02:26.000 And they're saying, OK, we'll keep you on, just give us your pension funds.

00:02:30.000 That is huge.

00:02:31.000 Go ahead.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, $1.6 billion they want.

00:02:35.000 American Airlines wants their employees to give up their pensions.

00:02:43.000 Can you imagine?

00:02:44.000 And they're saying basically it's sort of an axe over their heads on the chopping block and the axe is over their necks.

00:02:54.000 And the airlines is now telling the employees, number one, the pensions aren't funded.

00:02:59.000 There's no money in the pension fund for basically 90% of all corporate This is what you said last time, and they made it official.

00:03:08.000 They said they're going to cash balance accounts, quote.

00:03:10.000 This is what the White House said.

00:03:12.000 You will no longer own your fund.

00:03:13.000 There will be no liability for them to pay.

00:03:16.000 And now we see the shift coming.

00:03:18.000 And some people, Michael, are still in denial about this.

00:03:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:23.000 It was interesting.

00:03:27.000 My brother-in-law works for American Airlines in the Tulsa facility where they do maintenance on all the big jets.

00:03:36.000 And we've gotten into arguments about this for years over whether the airline industry would become a casualty in this economy.

00:03:46.000 And he laughed.

00:03:47.000 Now he's not laughing.

00:03:48.000 Scared to death.

00:03:49.000 Doesn't know what he's going to do.

00:03:51.000 I can't believe it's happening, but it's happening to everybody, Alex.

00:03:55.000 So his brother's writing books about this, and he just laughed at Bubba, didn't he?

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:01.000 Yeah, I've been to a lot of many jokes, but now they're all asking, how did you know?

00:04:07.000 You know, Alex, you're more radical, I think.

00:04:10.000 That's a poor choice of terminology than I am.

00:04:12.000 No, I mean Jews that fought back in Germany were radical.

00:04:16.000 Yeah.

00:04:17.000 Well, there are signs that things are perhaps... We've been set up and sold out in this country.

00:04:23.000 We have.

00:04:24.000 And if people... Have you ever talked about Carol Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope?

00:04:30.000 A history of the world in our time.

00:04:32.000 Yes, 800 page book written where he says it's the new world order. 0.92

00:04:35.000 We're going to rape you up one side and down the other. 1.00

00:04:37.000 Ha ha ha. 0.99

00:04:38.000 Yeah, and that was Dr. Carroll Quigley.

00:04:41.000 He was, back when it first came out, he was professor of history at Foreign Service School of Georgetown University.

00:04:47.000 Clinton's big mentor.

00:04:49.000 Clinton thanked him in the first State of the Union.

00:04:51.000 Yeah, but this whole thing, Alex, Look, the plan basically is to have all of us working once again for the general store, for the company store.

00:05:04.000 And we're all going to have our little national ID card, totally surveilled, can be secretly arrested.

00:05:09.000 This is a great new system.

00:05:11.000 Well, you know, that's what's coming.

00:05:13.000 People don't understand it, don't believe it, but the wealth of what was once the middle class is being eroded right before our eyes.

00:05:23.000 We are becoming a nation of either extremely wealthy or super rich people.

00:05:29.000 You're either in one class or the other.

00:05:31.000 You're a have-not or you're super rich.

00:05:34.000 The middle class is shrinking every year.

00:05:37.000 They are slowly becoming part of the non-existent, what, serf class?

00:05:45.000 Slave class?

00:05:46.000 They're losing everything.

00:05:48.000 And yet they still don't seem to understand what's happening to them.

00:05:53.000 You know, if the great masses would ever wake up, And we'd get honest people in Congress by people voting.

00:06:01.000 Maybe we'd have a chance, but I don't see it coming.

00:06:05.000 People are too, what, dumbed down?

00:06:10.000 Well, we see a federal move, too, to put in these touchscreen systems, which are guaranteed to be fraud.

00:06:15.000 Yeah.

00:06:15.000 When we've proven that in many states that have done it, federally funded, federally controlled, no record.

00:06:21.000 They've got federal money to take over the churches.

00:06:25.000 They're federalizing local police departments through control and regulation.

00:06:27.000 I mean, they're going down the line of everything you do to set up a dictatorship.

00:06:32.000 Oh, you bet.

00:06:32.000 Well, look at this.

00:06:33.000 We hear the argument over and over again about separation of church and state.

00:06:38.000 No religious monuments in any public building.

00:06:41.000 And yet, every church, well, I shouldn't say every church, but probably 99.9% of all churches are 501c3 corporations.

00:06:49.000 They share their information.

00:06:52.000 If you tithe to a 501c3 church, non-profit church, they share your tithing information with the IRS every year.

00:07:02.000 So, talk about separation of church and state, they own the churches. 0.68

00:07:07.000 And they did this just 50 years ago going, oh yeah, you get your tax exempt, just sign this little form, it's a formality, we're all trusting now that you can't say anything about the government, you work for us, by the way.

00:07:17.000 And that's what's happened.

00:07:19.000 No, it's just a process.

00:07:20.000 We're being domesticated.

00:07:22.000 We are being prepared to become a third world country in which we really have very few rights. 0.98

00:07:31.000 And you see it through the economy, Alex.

00:07:35.000 We were taught, our generation and the current generation, that is good.

00:07:42.000 Go into debt.

00:07:43.000 They push credit cards off on young kids and, you know, home mortgages.

00:07:49.000 If you own something free and clear in America, it's anti-American.

00:07:53.000 You should owe money on it.

00:07:55.000 Also, the property tax is almost impossible to... You don't even really own it anyways.

00:07:59.000 No, you don't.

00:08:00.000 They can take it any time that you don't pay that tax.

00:08:03.000 But we have been slowly dumbed down to accept all of these encroachments in our Personal freedoms and liberties.

00:08:15.000 And Congress has done it.

00:08:17.000 We've gotten the professionals in Congress that will strip our military bases and do whatever it takes.

00:08:26.000 Like the war right now.

00:08:28.000 We sent our troops in harm's way while we're cutting VA benefits.

00:08:33.000 Yeah, and then I talk about how the federal court ruled they're taking all benefits of 65 and older, and people deny it when I'm reading the federal ruling.

00:08:41.000 Stay there.

00:08:41.000 I mean, folks, you're going to find out real soon.

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00:09:21.000 I fell into a burnin' rickshaw fire.

00:09:26.000 You've read the Globalist Home Plans.

00:09:29.000 You've seen them do it in hundreds of third world countries.

00:09:33.000 I mean, is it really any surprise that powerful people want total control?

00:09:38.000 And more power and more control?

00:09:41.000 But somehow they've engineered it into the average American's mind or psyche that, oh no, corruption in government doesn't exist, you can't fight it, or oh, that's just the way it is.

00:09:49.000 Folks, that's a recipe for it to go right to the bottom as quickly as possible, for tyranny to wax greater and greater.

00:09:56.000 We've got to have a renaissance, or the globalists will take everything you've got, blame it on some foreign enemy, and then have you cheering them as they economically suck you dry.

00:10:08.000 Michael Hageb, how do we stop this thing?

00:10:10.000 How do we educate people?

00:10:12.000 And more importantly, as importantly, who are the globalists and what are their main mechanisms?

00:10:18.000 We know it's debt, but how does this whole scam work?

00:10:22.000 Well, the whole scam, Alex, comes through the International Monetary Fund.

00:10:28.000 And you've got world central bankers that belong to the fund that all create Wealth based on debt.

00:10:37.000 And think about it.

00:10:39.000 If you hawk your home to the bank, you're basically living in something that's owned by someone else.

00:10:50.000 Right?

00:10:54.000 We've been taught, and we're being taught worldwide, as globalism continues, in all of these countries, To take on debt, to get what you want now.

00:11:09.000 But in the end, it comes back to bite you because by the time you realize you've been had, you're owned.

00:11:19.000 You have no wiggle room.

00:11:21.000 They tell you what to do.

00:11:23.000 They being the powerful money people.

00:11:29.000 And, you know, you can get into the Rockefellers and go, you know, the Goldmans and... Well, I just know this. 0.97

00:11:35.000 While we're all busy debating Hillary and George Bush, I mean, these are puppets.

00:11:40.000 The globalists own the economy, own the intelligence agencies, own the universities.

00:11:45.000 They set up the system, and it's a joke.

00:11:47.000 While we all debate mindless, petty issues, they're just setting up this new casual society slave pen for us.

00:11:54.000 They are, and basically we complain about privacy and lack of privacy.

00:12:01.000 Nothing's private anymore.

00:12:03.000 If you've got the power, you can find out anything you want.

00:12:07.000 Power today, information is power.

00:12:11.000 And the wealthy people control the information, and they disperse it.

00:12:16.000 through media outlets, you know, like the Today Show and all these sitcoms that we're told what to think.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, and that's a good point.

00:12:27.000 The sitcoms, the dramas, we just heard about a Keebler ad with the elf retina scans to get into the tree.

00:12:34.000 I mean, our kids are being totally brainwashed.

00:12:37.000 They're setting up this horrible system, laughing at us, and people don't even know they're being propagandized.

00:12:43.000 We're referred to as Joe and Jane Sixpack.

00:12:46.000 We have a six-pack of beer and the TV and we're happy.

00:12:50.000 That's what the wealthy refer to the working class in America as being.

00:12:57.000 And unfortunately, for the most part, it's true because we're down in the trenches trying to make a living.

00:13:05.000 Don't see the big picture above us.

00:13:06.000 And it will incrementally let them tell us what to do.

00:13:09.000 I mean, it's just going to get worse and worse.

00:13:11.000 How many kids we can have, where we can live.

00:13:14.000 Sure.

00:13:14.000 No more Bill of Rights, because we were never taught what our Bill of Rights was.

00:13:18.000 Well, we've got to get the guns away from them, though, to finally have the final takeover.

00:13:23.000 And that's the whole Second Amendment battle.

00:13:25.000 And I'm sure you heard Bush backs renewing ban on assault weapons.

00:13:29.000 Oh yeah.

00:13:29.000 But, but, oh, he's conservative!

00:13:32.000 Actually, more inroads have been made into the loss of our rights through the conservative parties than the liberal party.

00:13:42.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:13:44.000 We always blame the liberals, but that the Republicans, and I've always been a conservative.

00:13:50.000 I used to be a Republican.

00:13:51.000 Now I'm independent.

00:13:53.000 But they actually get through the legislation that takes our right many, many times more often.

00:14:00.000 But then nothing's said about it, but then, well, it's like Bush.

00:14:02.000 He took all controls off supercomputers in China.

00:14:05.000 Ten times what Clinton did.

00:14:06.000 And it's asked, so what?

00:14:08.000 Clinton, it's incredible, it's evil.

00:14:10.000 These neocons, they're really the commies, if you want to use that paradigm term.

00:14:15.000 But, but, so, so, I mean, take Michael Savage.

00:14:17.000 I mean, he's an admitted beatnik.

00:14:20.000 He wants to put people in camps if they criticize the government.

00:14:23.000 I got him on tape now saying it.

00:14:25.000 And he calls that conservative.

00:14:26.000 Yeah.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, well, that's, unfortunately, if we don't wake up, Alex, that's what's coming.

00:14:32.000 I mean, we're already in debt.

00:14:34.000 We're owned right now.

00:14:35.000 Our country, the wealthiest nation as far as resources in the history of mankind, has been auctioned off to the highest bidders, and that's everybody but Americans.

00:14:48.000 Alright, when we get back, let's talk about some of the numbers, the P.E.

00:14:51.000 ratios, the debt, public-private, and real solutions, and then take some calls.

00:14:55.000 Folks, you want to talk to Michael Hager?

00:14:56.000 We'll take a lot of calls.

00:14:59.000 Early in this next segment, 1-800-259-9231.

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00:15:38.000 The number to join us on air, talk to Michael Hager, 1-800-259-9231.

00:15:44.000 Michael, back in March of last year, I interviewed Greg Pallast, big BBC reporter, and he talked about Lord Wakeham, the head of NM Rothschild, who regulates the media over there, trying to stop his reports on this, and he'd gotten calls from Henry Kissinger trying to stop him being able to go on American television.

00:16:00.000 I mean, you've got the big media guy talking about N.M.

00:16:03.000 Rothschild hits trying to stop him, and it really is the players.

00:16:07.000 And in that interview, which Lister transcribed, which subsequently was published in over 400 newspapers, that's what Greg even said here on the air, his best-selling book out, he was shocked because our listeners were so active and emailed that out and got folks involved.

00:16:20.000 But the point is, the World Bank documents said And the head of it, the chief economist, quit.

00:16:25.000 Joseph Sickles said, I'm going to be part of this, that they want to implode economies.

00:16:29.000 They want to, quote, create riots, then use federalized riot police to crack down instead of a police state.

00:16:34.000 It's really a recipe for total dehumanization and domination. 0.99

00:16:39.000 And then we have these documents and the average American just has no idea they plan to do that to the American people and have been setting it up.

00:16:46.000 Number one, did you hear about those World Bank documents?

00:16:49.000 And number two, what would you do to try to stop this in solutions?

00:16:53.000 Yeah, I've heard about the World Bank documents, and it's true.

00:16:56.000 I mean, I can go through a whole history of the Federal Reserve System.

00:17:00.000 It's not federal.

00:17:01.000 It has no reserves.

00:17:02.000 It's a private entity.

00:17:04.000 It consists of 12 national banks.

00:17:08.000 Now, this is just the American system, but the only one of any significance is the National Bank in New York, and that's the New York Bank.

00:17:17.000 It's always been managed by somebody completely congenial to the interests of the international bankers.

00:17:22.000 But it's important that folks understand in America that the Federal Reserve System is not a bona fide government agency.

00:17:31.000 Technically, the stock is owned by 12 national banks, which received a dividend of 6% each year.

00:17:38.000 Any profits from the system are supposed to be turned over to the U.S.

00:17:41.000 Treasury.

00:17:43.000 But in fact, the president appoints seven members of the board, of the Federal Reserve Board, for 14-year terms.

00:17:51.000 Well, the shareholders are private.

00:17:53.000 Yeah.

00:17:54.000 So it's the money... It is.

00:17:57.000 It's the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Warburgs. 1.00

00:18:02.000 You know, the list goes on and on.

00:18:04.000 And these are the same folks, or the ancestors of the same folks, who had the secret meeting in 1910 on Jekyll Island, and then Got finally through Congress with the aid of... Oh, who was that, um...

00:18:18.000 Woodrow Wilson.

00:18:19.000 Well, Wilson realized at the end he'd been had.

00:18:22.000 He got killed, yeah.

00:18:23.000 But it was Senator Aldrich.

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

00:18:27.000 But the stage was set, and so in December 22nd, 1913, the Federal Reserve Act was passed by the House of Representatives.

00:18:35.000 And we got the income tax to pay into the private banks.

00:18:37.000 Right.

00:18:38.000 And so we got the tax and spend legislation, we got the control, we got everything.

00:18:43.000 And Woodrow Wilson, it's amazing when you read his history, He said, in his memoirs, there's something phony about the smokescreen of opposition.

00:18:58.000 The bankers appeared to be opposing the Federal Reserve.

00:19:01.000 But he said, quote, these interviews with bankers led me to an interesting conclusion.

00:19:07.000 I perceived gradually through the haze and smoke of controversy that the banking world was not really as much opposed to the bill as it pretended to be and in fact wanted it.

00:19:21.000 See, that's what they're masters of, is Bush acts like, oh, the U.N.

00:19:24.000 is not for our war, and the U.N.

00:19:26.000 is going to get all the oil and run it and play the part of the good cop.

00:19:30.000 It's the same thing.

00:19:31.000 It's totally staged.

00:19:32.000 This Republican-Democrat thing is totally staged.

00:19:35.000 Yeah, there are no Republicans or Democrats.

00:19:37.000 They're both working for the same cause.

00:19:39.000 You have to understand that.

00:19:41.000 And all of these guys in Congress, well, with the exception of a few, Have sold out, and they sold out because there's so much money behind the scenes.

00:19:51.000 Imagine, Alex, if you had suddenly access to indescribable wealth, what you would do if you would just simply sell out your people?

00:20:05.000 Very few people would say no to that.

00:20:08.000 And see, a lot of them see it as just a good ol' boy network, and oh, that's the way it's always been, might as well go along. 0.81

00:20:13.000 The problem is, the real globalists are a bunch of eugenics, Nazi control freaks. 0.86

00:20:18.000 They really want to dehumanize us.

00:20:20.000 They say this in their policy papers.

00:20:22.000 I wish the good ol' boys that are part of this would read what the globalists are really doing.

00:20:26.000 I mean, it is... Michael Hager, it is scary.

00:20:29.000 I've really looked at it.

00:20:30.000 It is dehumanization.

00:20:31.000 It is technocracy.

00:20:33.000 It is enslavement.

00:20:34.000 Well, look at SARS.

00:20:36.000 Where did it come from?

00:20:37.000 All of a sudden we have another, quote, virus appearing.

00:20:41.000 It's like Communist China is the model for the UN and the world government. 0.73

00:20:45.000 Sure.

00:20:46.000 They have mobile death bans and the globalists give them all the awards and let them into the WTO and give them all the... That's what they want to set up, folks!

00:20:54.000 In China, if you don't work, you don't eat.

00:20:58.000 If you don't produce, you don't live.

00:21:01.000 And that's what's coming. 0.94

00:21:02.000 You know, we're looked upon as useless eaters, or the Chinese look upon their people... Well, Ted Turner called us that. 0.95

00:21:10.000 Yeah. 0.59

00:21:10.000 I mean, he can get away with Hitler quotes, and they call him a liberal, and then he's running this Armageddon show on PBS, and the answer is world government biometrics. 0.59

00:21:20.000 That'll save us.

00:21:21.000 Lots of police state and we'll be safe.

00:21:23.000 Yeah, and think about control issues As the population expands, the globalists know that they have to keep the population in check.

00:21:35.000 So we're going to be having some big plagues arise all over the world that'll kill off hundreds of millions of people, maybe a couple of billion.

00:21:43.000 Of course, you'll have a big police state while that happens.

00:21:46.000 Sure.

00:21:47.000 Look at our prisons today.

00:21:49.000 When we were locking people up, especially in the federal system, attached to each federal facility is a big building that really doesn't have any identifying marks, but inmates, or what they call them, residents now, I believe, they work for 20 cents on the dollar an hour, maybe more, maybe less, but they manufacture things that compete with the private sector.

00:22:18.000 They get government contracts.

00:22:20.000 So we're paying to house the residents, the inmates.

00:22:24.000 And so they can take our jobs.

00:22:25.000 Yeah, and they're taking our jobs. 0.53

00:22:28.000 So it's crazy, but we, the people, I don't know how you wake people up, Alex.

00:22:39.000 I know so many people that are still in denial, but I suppose when it happens to you, Then you understand, but until that point people are just oblivious.

00:22:53.000 And then by then it's too late because your neighbor's not going to listen either.

00:22:55.000 Right, and that's what happened in Germany to the Jewish people.

00:23:02.000 Right?

00:23:02.000 Even the churches were silent.

00:23:04.000 Today our churches are silent because they are corporations controlled By the Taxing Authority.

00:23:13.000 And now that control's increasing with the Faith-Based Initiative.

00:23:16.000 Let's take some calls.

00:23:16.000 You bet.

00:23:17.000 Fred in South Dakota, you're on with Alex Jones and our guest, Michael Hagan, best-selling author.

00:23:22.000 Go ahead.

00:23:23.000 Hello there, Alex.

00:23:24.000 Yes, Fred, welcome.

00:23:25.000 It's a lovely day.

00:23:26.000 Uh, I'd like to ask your guest a few, uh, brutally honest questions, and understand these are questions from the heart, even though they're brutally honest.

00:23:35.000 Mr. Hagan, as a member of the Bar Association, and at one time a prosecuting attorney, Uh, you cannot deny, I don't believe, that there was a private franchise, there still is, private franchise on a heritage called our laws.

00:23:50.000 Nobody understands them except a gilded few. 0.90

00:23:55.000 And as a prosecuting attorney, when these people came in with their IRS personnel, with their loaded weapons, How come you didn't have your state police and your sheriffs and then arrest them at the border?

00:24:08.000 Let me say one thing.

00:24:10.000 I am no longer a member of the bar.

00:24:12.000 I realize that.

00:24:13.000 I quit.

00:24:14.000 I got out of it.

00:24:15.000 It's corrupt beyond belief.

00:24:17.000 Well, it's a franchise. 0.59

00:24:18.000 Yes, it is.

00:24:18.000 You know what I said.

00:24:20.000 And, you know, the laws today are so complex because the lawyers don't want the populace to understand how simple it really is.

00:24:30.000 Yes, exactly.

00:24:31.000 It's a job.

00:24:32.000 It's like security.

00:24:35.000 Most of Congress are lawyers.

00:24:38.000 We just simply abrogated our authority or our desire to go outside, carry a weapon, take care of our own thing, and hired a few people to do that for us.

00:24:47.000 And then they decided, hey, like Praetorian Guard didn't roam, let's just go ahead and take over and make ourselves king.

00:24:54.000 When I went to law school, I was proud.

00:24:57.000 I didn't realize at that point How corrupt our system is.

00:25:02.000 Well, there was a federal judge, the article was about a month ago, came out and said the country's gone, the laws are gone, there is no justice, this thing's a fraud.

00:25:11.000 It's true.

00:25:11.000 That is absolutely true.

00:25:13.000 There is justice if you have money to pay for it.

00:25:15.000 What you're saying is... Or if you've got a lawyer who's family.

00:25:18.000 You didn't know that you didn't know.

00:25:20.000 Well, think about it.

00:25:22.000 Why is it that the average person doesn't have access to statutes and rules and regulations and Also, people say, I got rights, but they don't know what the Bill of Rights is.

00:25:32.000 It wasn't taught in school.

00:25:33.000 No.

00:25:34.000 And then, all of our laws are based upon precedent, our court cases.

00:25:39.000 Well, I used to train police officers, and I used to get mad if they couldn't tell me what the Ninth Amendment was.

00:25:45.000 Yeah.

00:25:46.000 That's what I trained.

00:25:47.000 That's what I produced.

00:25:48.000 Most lawyers cannot even tell you what the amendments are.

00:25:53.000 and they're not a favor, they're absolutes. 0.53

00:25:55.000 Well, they don't want to know.

00:25:58.000 Because, for them, the fine-tuning that continues daily under what's called precedent,

00:26:06.000 law setting precedent, you know, the law changes.

00:26:10.000 Yeah, well, I mean, what they're saying now is, well, in World War II, we executed nine Nazis secretly, so now if anyone commits a terrorist act, we can execute citizens, but then they expand the definition of terrorist.

00:26:23.000 Any action that endangers human life is a violation of any federal or state law.

00:26:27.000 And that's not good enough in Patriot Act 1.

00:26:29.000 Patriot Act 2, which they're already implementing despite they haven't passed it, says any reason you don't have to commit a crime.

00:26:34.000 Michael, I've read the bill twice.

00:26:36.000 It says you don't have to commit a crime to fall in as a terrorist.

00:26:40.000 That's true.

00:26:42.000 And the subsection says they can execute you.

00:26:43.000 Thanks for the call, Fred.

00:26:45.000 Comments on the Patriot Act.

00:26:47.000 I mean, this thing is... Hitler didn't have the nerve to put this down on paper, Michael.

00:26:50.000 No, and it's scary that the majority of the people in the country seem to be behind it.

00:26:57.000 Well, they just hear in the newspaper that, oh, it's a new security thing for your safety.

00:27:01.000 Yeah.

00:27:01.000 Anything for safety today.

00:27:03.000 You know, we have more laws on the books today than ever, and we have less security than we've ever had.

00:27:10.000 Hey, the bigger the drug war gets, the more drugs on the street.

00:27:12.000 That's right. 0.99

00:27:13.000 The more school funding, the dumber the kids. 1.00

00:27:14.000 Mike, go ahead. 0.99

00:27:16.000 Well, one thing.

00:27:17.000 You stated in the beginning about wars.

00:27:20.000 In the last 3,421 years, We've only had 248 years when there wasn't a war somewhere in the world.

00:27:30.000 But the globalists call it, and Quigley talks about this in his book, perpetual war for perpetual peace.

00:27:38.000 Think about that.

00:27:39.000 Well, that's 1984 talk.

00:27:41.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 Because you're creating, number one, you're liquidating people.

00:27:46.000 You are creating work.

00:27:49.000 Debt.

00:27:50.000 Debt.

00:27:51.000 And, you know, and control.

00:27:53.000 And a unifying distraction.

00:27:54.000 And a unifying distraction.

00:27:56.000 Let's talk to Mike in Tennessee.

00:27:58.000 Mike, you're on the air.

00:27:59.000 Welcome.

00:27:59.000 Go ahead, sir.

00:28:00.000 Hey, greetings in the name of our Savior, Lord Jesus Christ.

00:28:04.000 I've got a question on the pension plan.

00:28:06.000 I don't doubt what y'all are saying, and I'd like to see if you could provide me some documentation where I can go research it.

00:28:11.000 I'll go back.

00:28:12.000 What's the best thing to do to protect your pension plan?

00:28:16.000 I can't do anything at all.

00:28:17.000 I think your cell's cutting out a little.

00:28:18.000 I'm sorry.

00:28:18.000 I forgot that you told me you were on the cell, Mike.

00:28:20.000 Say it again.

00:28:21.000 What's your question or comment?

00:28:23.000 Okay.

00:28:24.000 Quickly, I was just wanting to know, can we do to protect our pension plan?

00:28:28.000 I work for a foreign company, and other than quitting my job and getting my 401 cashed out, is there any other alternative?

00:28:38.000 What can he do to protect his pension fund?

00:28:40.000 He works for a foreign company.

00:28:42.000 Is it oil security?

00:28:43.000 Give us a vague idea there, Mike.

00:28:45.000 You can tell us the name of the company.

00:28:48.000 There is a new regulation that allows you to shift your 401k into a plan that you can control.

00:28:56.000 Midas Resources has that information.

00:28:58.000 I would call them and get... You know, that's a good point.

00:29:01.000 Ted gives that out for free at 800-686-2237.

00:29:07.000 And you can move it into something you can control personally.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, they changed that one about two years ago, Michael?

00:29:12.000 Uh, actually about six months ago.

00:29:15.000 Okay, well then I guess it was another regulatory change, then.

00:29:17.000 Right.

00:29:20.000 Now, it's not so the globalists can move their money around, because I don't see a lot of people taking advantage of that new system.

00:29:25.000 You know, it's a loophole, and it's something that people should take advantage of.

00:29:31.000 Periodically, these guys test the waters to see how frightened people are.

00:29:37.000 So they'll pass legislation like this to see if people are panicking out of the system or not.

00:29:43.000 So far, nobody seems to care.

00:29:45.000 All right, so they know they really got him.

00:29:48.000 Thanks for the call, Mike.

00:29:49.000 Let's talk to Marie in Pennsylvania.

00:29:52.000 You're on the air with Michael Hagar, our guest.

00:29:54.000 Go ahead, Marie.

00:29:55.000 Hello.

00:29:56.000 I'm having a terrible time picking up this station today.

00:29:58.000 I just picked up about 20 minutes ago.

00:30:00.000 Okay.

00:30:01.000 I've been trying all morning.

00:30:02.000 Okay.

00:30:03.000 Last night, Our local Green Party, with the backing of the Berkeley community here, has put forth a resolution to City Council to not enforce the Patriot Bill.

00:30:17.000 And we were supposed to go over it and pass it last night, and we were told that it was on the docket.

00:30:28.000 but uh... where when over thirty five people from our peace committee came

00:30:33.000 they told us no it wasn't on the docket it'll be there two weeks from now

00:30:37.000 but what they also did is they added a third page which watered down quite a bit of uh...

00:30:44.000 the other two pages well we've just joined this uh...

00:30:47.000 Hundreds of cities, and now a lot of conservative cities as well, are opposing the Patriot Act.

00:30:52.000 And that's good to have it bipartisan, because then when a Democrat gets in, the Democrats will still oppose anybody violating the Bill of Rights.

00:30:59.000 That's a good thing.

00:31:01.000 But I hope your town in Pennsylvania will pass it and just keep the pressure on them.

00:31:07.000 Well, then we will go to Cassie and finally to the state.

00:31:12.000 Yeah, that's smart.

00:31:14.000 Michael Hagan, that's exciting that people are trying to take control locally.

00:31:18.000 Isn't that a key place to kick the feds out and publicly announce that this is not our legitimate government? 0.65

00:31:23.000 That's right.

00:31:24.000 Everything has to be at the local level.

00:31:29.000 You know, the feds actually Only control that strip of land there that we call Washington, D.C.

00:31:35.000 That's it.

00:31:36.000 But through their federal funding, they're contractually in control right now.

00:31:40.000 They're racing to maintain their control.

00:31:43.000 Is that because the system's in danger of rattling apart?

00:31:46.000 They've got to be very careful during this transition into total slavery where they could lose control?

00:31:51.000 They're worried about it, you bet.

00:31:53.000 And it scares me sometimes, Alex, that people like yourself, you know, will they?

00:31:58.000 They've tried to take control of the airwaves, but there's enough pressure that keeps them from doing it.

00:32:04.000 But it is the local level.

00:32:06.000 If people get involved, we can take our country back.

00:32:09.000 But we are locked in a death struggle with these people.

00:32:12.000 Somebody's got to win.

00:32:13.000 I mean, they're not going to stop.

00:32:15.000 We're not going to stop.

00:32:16.000 Even if you try to stop, they're going to keep feeding on you.

00:32:19.000 You've got to get hardcore.

00:32:21.000 As Heges said, radical.

00:32:23.000 I mean, what did Barry Goldwater say?

00:32:26.000 Extremism and defensive liberty is no vice. 1.00

00:32:30.000 The globalists are radical scum. 1.00

00:32:32.000 Erratically raping you and your family, you've got to radically stand up and tell them, you know, stop Namby-pambing around. 1.00

00:32:39.000 You see what I'm saying, Michael? 0.99

00:32:40.000 Oh yeah, but remember one thing now.

00:32:43.000 The Great Depression of the 30s was caused by the banking industry.

00:32:49.000 They got everybody deeply in debt and pulled the plug.

00:32:51.000 And they shrunk the money supply.

00:32:53.000 And then the banks foreclosed on everything.

00:32:56.000 And what happened?

00:32:57.000 Roosevelt stepped up with his new deal.

00:32:59.000 They're going to pose as our saviors as they fit the change titer. 0.95

00:33:03.000 Just like Roosevelt did.

00:33:05.000 And we got more legislation.

00:33:07.000 We got Social Security and all this.

00:33:09.000 But today, people don't realize, you don't own anything in Social Security.

00:33:13.000 It can be cut off tomorrow.

00:33:15.000 Yeah, it's the next phase of total enslavement.

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00:34:31.000 One last caller, Casey in Texas, you're on the air.

00:34:34.000 Go ahead, Casey.

00:34:36.000 I'm a high school student right now, a senior actually, and I just took my economics class last semester, and I was taught all the trash about the Federal Reserve and everything.

00:34:47.000 I remember my teacher telling us about how it just is and stuff, and he wouldn't let us fight.

00:34:51.000 There was no way we could really question it.

00:34:53.000 We were taught things that didn't make sense.

00:34:56.000 It just is.

00:34:58.000 It's like the world is flat and the sea monsters are out there at the edge and the world is the center of the universe.

00:35:05.000 It just is.

00:35:06.000 Don't ask.

00:35:08.000 It's like a literal false reality of just mindless, drooling sports fans.

00:35:13.000 Mr. Hagan, any comments to what this high school student is saying?

00:35:19.000 We have fault your teacher or your professor so badly because they were taught the same thing.

00:35:26.000 When I first got into all of this, I was amazed.

00:35:29.000 I didn't believe it.

00:35:30.000 I thought this was crazy stuff.

00:35:32.000 Because we're not taught this.

00:35:34.000 Economists today are simply taught what I call econometrics.

00:35:39.000 Computer-aided. 0.86

00:35:42.000 You punch in numbers, garbage in, garbage out. 0.98

00:35:45.000 That's what economics is today. 0.94

00:35:48.000 Historical economics, which is what I went into, Absolutely.

00:35:57.000 I mean, they're getting rid of history itself.

00:36:06.000 The average person just has no understanding of what all this means, of political systems.

00:36:14.000 It's just literally, they're dumbing us down to a level where people don't even know how to look at the world and make decisions.

00:36:20.000 No, they don't.

00:36:21.000 And think about it.

00:36:22.000 If you want to control people, that's what you want to do.

00:36:27.000 You want them to understand very little.

00:36:31.000 And actually no, even less.

00:36:33.000 Yeah, it's like Ingsoc in 1984, they just start making the language smaller and smaller.

00:36:40.000 I mean, I'm not even that smart.

00:36:43.000 This is all common sense, just ancient feudalism with high-tech manipulation for the same old strongman, same old Machiavelli and tactics, 500 years old.

00:36:51.000 And you try to explain it and they go, what?

00:36:53.000 The government did something wrong once?

00:36:55.000 Well, it's perfect!

00:36:56.000 That's impossible!

00:36:58.000 No, actually it's the other way around.

00:37:00.000 Uh, thanks for the, uh, anything else, Casey?

00:37:03.000 Actually, I was just, I was gonna comment.

00:37:05.000 I was just now watching the, uh, A&E biography over, uh, the Porsche, guy who designed the Porsche, talked about Henry Ford and his fascination with the Nazis and everything.

00:37:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:16.000 And, uh, something struck me, thinking about George Bush and his, uh, uh, hydrogen car, how that's very similar to, Hitler when he has got more than ran almost all of nazi 0.83

00:37:28.000 activities and was convicted of that. Thanks Thanks for the call. We're supposed to forget about that.

00:37:33.000 You know, Bush does go after anybody with connections to al-qaeda No one has stronger connections in Bush that al-qaeda

00:37:38.000 except maybe bin laden himself Well, if you look at World War two

00:37:43.000 We funded most of our major corporations funded Hitler Well, it just came out.

00:37:49.000 Weren't allowed to bomb all the places.

00:37:51.000 Michael Hager, the one big book you recommend for folks?

00:37:53.000 Um, After the Crash, Life in the New Great Depression.

00:37:57.000 Alright, and that's online, or, uh, and, After the Crash, Life in the Great Depression, and in many bookstores.

00:38:02.000 Michael Hager, I look forward to having you back on again.

00:38:04.000 Thanks, Alex.

00:38:05.000 Thanks for coming on, so short notice.

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