Alex Jones Show - 20041207_Tue_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

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00:00:21.000 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. - ladies and gentlemen. - Hmm.

00:00:41.000 Already the seventh day of December 2004.

00:00:45.000 And the end of 04 is just in sight.

00:00:51.000 We'll be live for the next three hours.

00:00:53.000 We have a guest coming on from Illinois.

00:00:55.000 An 87-year-old veteran who was brutally attacked in his home And when he finally shot the intruder in the foot after warning him to stop beating him, the police came and confiscated his rifles.

00:01:21.000 And the person he shot in the foot told him, I'm gonna get you, I'm gonna come back and get you.

00:01:25.000 Imagine telling the cops, hey give me your guns and you go out and do your job without your guns.

00:01:32.000 Or if you run up to a police officer and take their firearm away, that's a very serious felony.

00:01:37.000 Because you've just disarmed them.

00:01:38.000 You've taken away their defensive implement.

00:01:46.000 But as usual, it's a World War II vet.

00:01:51.000 Highly decorated.

00:01:53.000 He beat the guy up.

00:01:55.000 The young 20-year-old punk started attacking the 87-year-old man.

00:02:00.000 And, uh, he fought back and drove the guy outside.

00:02:04.000 The guy came back in. 0.53

00:02:06.000 So he got his rifle and shot him in the foot.

00:02:08.000 I wouldn't have done that.

00:02:09.000 Let me tell you something. 1.00

00:02:10.000 You come in my house, and you start attacking me, you are dead. 1.00

00:02:14.000 And I'm not just going to pull the trigger once. 1.00

00:02:15.000 I'm going to unload on you.

00:02:18.000 You can be absolutely assured of that. 1.00

00:02:19.000 I'll kill you if you come in my house in ten seconds. 1.00

00:02:23.000 You'll be dead. 1.00

00:02:24.000 As soon as I see you, as soon as I find out you're an intruder, and as soon as... 1.00

00:02:28.000 You know, as long as it takes me to get to my firearm.

00:02:30.000 Because I care about my family a lot more than I care about you.

00:02:33.000 Of course, Illinois has the highest crime rate in the country now.

00:02:40.000 Because a bunch of their cities have banned guns entirely or make you have permits.

00:02:45.000 Chicago has the highest for any city.

00:02:48.000 Since they've confiscated tens of thousands of guns since the mid-90s.

00:02:52.000 Their crime rate has only increased, making them the crime capital, not just of America, but the world!

00:03:00.000 More dangerous than Brazil? 0.61

00:03:01.000 The capital, Brasilia, or any of its other crime-infested boroughs?

00:03:09.000 More dangerous than some of the biggest cities in South Africa?

00:03:13.000 I've seen the statistics.

00:03:16.000 And every week I see articles where they rate some 79, 87, Your old man, literally, they've got lists of who owns guns, who bought guns 20 years ago, when you didn't have to have a permit, and they come out of the house and they take the guns and they arrest these old men.

00:03:34.000 They even arrest old women, whose husbands die, and then the old man doesn't, can't renew his license that year, and they send a SWAT team out to Granny's house. 0.94

00:03:45.000 That's how pathetic this country is. 0.99

00:03:48.000 I love America, but I'm here to tell you it's pathetic. 1.00

00:03:50.000 I want to change the problems. 0.98

00:03:52.000 I want to fix it.

00:03:53.000 We've got to admit the problems first.

00:03:56.000 Illinois, what a cesspool. 0.98

00:04:00.000 I know we have an affiliate or two up in Illinois.

00:04:03.000 I know we have a lot of listeners in Illinois, and they'll agree with me.

00:04:06.000 I mean, the government's a cesspool.

00:04:07.000 Run by the mafia, for the mafia, by the mafia.

00:04:12.000 You think the mob wants you to own guns?

00:04:14.000 Of course not!

00:04:17.000 Gotta have the slaves disarmed so we can feed on them! 1.00

00:04:22.000 Why, we didn't let them have... have swords 2,000 years ago when they were our slaves.

00:04:29.000 The Italian mob models everything off of, uh... Models everything off of Rome. 1.00

00:04:36.000 Not really the Italian mob that runs Illinois anymore, but they did, and they set kind of the frame up for it. 1.00

00:04:43.000 The parameters.

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00:08:14.000 I said it, and I'll say it again. 0.97

00:08:18.000 This country, on average, is degenerate, wicked, and evil. 0.91

00:08:26.000 You know, America was loved because it was a land of freedom. 0.96

00:08:33.000 The United States was loved because it didn't go around invading everybody.

00:08:37.000 It wasn't an empire.

00:08:40.000 And because you could own a firearm to defend your family.

00:08:45.000 And you could save money.

00:08:47.000 And you could go out and put in a hard day's work and reap the rewards of it.

00:08:57.000 But we're living on past deeds.

00:09:00.000 We're running on fumes.

00:09:02.000 We've had 50 plus million abortions in this country.

00:09:06.000 Nothing to be proud of.

00:09:09.000 We have one of the highest crime rates in the world.

00:09:13.000 Nothing to be proud of.

00:09:15.000 We have the most corrupt government in modern history.

00:09:19.000 Nothing to be proud of. 0.99

00:09:25.000 We live in a country where in New York and in Chicago and other cities, Boston, Mass., old people, single mothers, live behind barricaded doors and are fed on brutally by gangs of scum that the police won't or can't do anything about. 0.98

00:09:51.000 And I could go on listing all this all day, but if we're going to save this country, again, we've got to admit what America is supposed to be about.

00:10:00.000 The people being on top of the government.

00:10:02.000 The people being the sovereigns.

00:10:03.000 The people, the population, being the bosses.

00:10:08.000 Not the institutionalized minions of the nanny state.

00:10:14.000 What America was, is dying.

00:10:16.000 Let me rephrase it.

00:10:18.000 America is very ill. 1.00

00:10:20.000 A cancer has spread through it, and that cancer is disgusting. 1.00

00:10:24.000 Space age PR firms are scrambling our psyches, garbage in, garbage out. 0.99

00:10:38.000 Thank you. 0.94

00:10:40.000 And I get angry when I see an article like this one out of the Macomb Journal, and this gentleman's joining us later, Leonard Gamage is a veteran, 87 years old, no criminal record, and a thug busted into his house.

00:11:10.000 The 87-year-old man who'd been in the hospital the day before from a nosebleed where he lost over a pint of blood

00:11:21.000 fought back and drove the young punk out of his house the young punk came back in and Leonard grabbed his rifle and said I'm gonna shoot you and the guy said I'm gonna get you and so Leonard shot him in the foot again I would have put the entire magazine into the person's chest the entire magazine I would have continued firing as they were dropping

00:11:48.000 Because that's what the law enforcement handbooks will tell you to do. 0.84

00:11:51.000 That person may be on PCP or cocaine, may pull a gun, may come at you, may get a burst of energy the first time you shoot him. 0.97

00:11:58.000 him. 0.99

00:11:59.000 You've got to unload on him.

00:12:05.000 This guy shoots him in the foot and now the individual has said he's going to come back and he's going to get Leonard.

00:12:13.000 Thank you.

00:12:14.000 Thank you.

00:12:16.000 The problem here is the cops took the old man's rifles, his two rifles, and said, "Buddy, you don't have a permit on these." The old fella, you know, these really old men, they just are so sweet.

00:12:36.000 Either an old man gets really mean or they get really sweet. 0.99

00:12:39.000 And talking to him, it's just so sad.

00:12:43.000 Imagine these cops coming and taking an old man's guns. 0.99

00:12:46.000 So he can sit there in his house at night the next time scum comes by his place. 1.00

00:12:50.000 So maybe they can kill him this time. 1.00

00:12:52.000 And by the way, police, for executing an unlawful, criminal, unconstitutional, treasonous, traitorous, seditionous, piece of garbage log, it's that old man, if he ever gets hurt, or anybody's guns you've taken ever gets hurt, you are accomplices to that murder. 1.00

00:13:08.000 You are murderers. 1.00

00:13:11.000 You are murderers. 0.99

00:13:13.000 How would you like it when you're 87 years old in a state ridden with crime because of your gun control, not being able to have a gun to protect yourself? 1.00

00:13:22.000 This is pathetic. 1.00

00:13:30.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:13:34.000 I don't want to rant and rave about this all day.

00:13:35.000 Again, if I'm in a particularly bad mood today, I woke up with a fever about 3 in the morning.

00:13:41.000 You know those sore throats you can't hardly open your mouth and it hurts so bad?

00:13:44.000 I went down to the kitchen and put about a half a container of salt in a glass of hot water and I used chemical weapons on the bacteria.

00:13:52.000 That's what it is, basically.

00:13:54.000 That's why I'm here moving forward.

00:13:57.000 Who knows?

00:13:57.000 I may not be here tomorrow.

00:13:58.000 I don't know.

00:13:59.000 Doing three hours with a sore throat and a fever may make it worse.

00:14:03.000 But I am here because all this news needs to be covered.

00:14:06.000 I'm not whining and saying, oh, I'm so good, look at me.

00:14:08.000 I just want you to know why I may sound like Across between James Earl Jones and Winnie the Pooh is my voice is just shot.

00:14:21.000 But, uh, he's coming up.

00:14:26.000 Now, um, here's an article, Colorado Gazette, GPS lets laws long-arm grow. 0.84

00:14:34.000 Very lavish article about how great it is to track you.

00:14:37.000 Japan plans to post 15,000 soldiers along coast to counter North Koreans.

00:14:42.000 Report.

00:14:44.000 We told you about this last week.

00:14:46.000 Now it's in the Boston Globe.

00:14:47.000 Returning Fallujans will face clampdown. 1.00

00:14:50.000 National ID cards, face scans, thumb scans.

00:14:53.000 They'll be killed if they don't have their card in order.

00:14:58.000 Really serious article here.

00:15:01.000 OPEC Nations seen cutting worldwide deposits in dollars.

00:15:05.000 We've known this has been happening the last year, but now, now it's in the New York Times.

00:15:12.000 They've already dumped 15% of their dollars, and the slides already begun.

00:15:19.000 We're on the edge of a depression as Ron Paul, Ron Paul, the congressman, the doctor, says this.

00:15:24.000 I hope he's wrong.

00:15:25.000 He said it a year ago.

00:15:27.000 The sad part is while we're in this depression that's coming up, if it does happen, the globalists will have their spinmeisters out and the people will be thanking their abusers.

00:15:37.000 Oh, thank you.

00:15:39.000 Bring in your new economic reforms, more taxation and regulation during the depression to fight back against the things that cause this.

00:15:50.000 So we'll cover that.

00:15:51.000 Also, ex-Dazi spy chief, Marcus Wolf, hired by Homeland Security.

00:16:00.000 And we got some new info on this.

00:16:02.000 We'll be covering that.

00:16:03.000 I mean, it's not enough to have former KGB chiefs that we have confirmed consult for Homeland Security.

00:16:10.000 Now we need the Stasi chief, known as the Silver Fox. 0.99

00:16:16.000 And I got another article here about the FSB and the FBI training together.

00:16:21.000 The FSB helping train our FBI.

00:16:24.000 Of course, the Toronto Sun, where the torture our government carries out.

00:16:29.000 He's almost identical to Soviet torture. 0.79

00:16:31.000 The trending's coming along quite nicely.

00:16:34.000 Also, activists say blind parents are being treated unfairly.

00:16:38.000 Believe it or not, folks, people who are blind, who are trained in it, can be just as good of parents as anybody else, but they get a lot of their kids taken by CPS.

00:16:50.000 They're trying to do that out in California.

00:16:52.000 I've got some articles on that.

00:16:55.000 Two federal machinations happening.

00:16:58.000 Interstate booze ban, Supreme Court, but it'll affect more than just that.

00:17:04.000 Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum is a blasphemous thing where George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld and other White House officials are angels and wise men around the manger.

00:17:16.000 There's no end to the humiliation.

00:17:20.000 Also, Bill Clinton helps launch Chinese search engine.

00:17:24.000 Communist Chinese-owned search engine.

00:17:26.000 He's very proud of it.

00:17:30.000 Also, Massachusetts launches computerized medical files.

00:17:38.000 And the problem is it also indexes in.

00:17:41.000 They make you thumb scan to get a gun now.

00:17:43.000 It's just getting worse and worse.

00:17:48.000 Two new CIA reports offer warnings on Iraq's past that there's almost no way to win it.

00:17:54.000 Well, that's a conventional win.

00:17:56.000 The globalists kill a bunch of our boys and make a bunch of money on weapon sales and draw this thing out for 5-10 years and keep the oil from flowing so they can jack up prices.

00:18:07.000 That's quite a win.

00:18:12.000 Actually, that is a win.

00:18:13.000 Vietnam was a win for the globalists.

00:18:14.000 The drug war is a win.

00:18:16.000 Triple the heroin, double the cocaine than we had 10 years ago.

00:18:19.000 7 million people behind bars instead of 1.3 million.

00:18:23.000 Two years ago, I mean, it's a... The people that deal the drugs, the same companies we've tracked back, also own the big private prisons.

00:18:29.000 They deal the drugs. 1.00

00:18:30.000 Your dumb kid uses it. 1.00

00:18:32.000 Breaks in the house wanting drugs. 1.00

00:18:34.000 And they end up in your little prison owned by the drug dealers.

00:18:37.000 It's a wonderful system.

00:18:38.000 Seriously, the drug dealing families, the mafia families own the prisons.

00:18:42.000 Activists dominate content complaints.

00:18:45.000 We've all heard about how there's all these new complaints to the FCC.

00:18:47.000 Turns out 99.8% of them were filed by the Parents Television Council.

00:18:58.000 And again, I don't have a problem with them doing that.

00:18:59.000 I have a problem with the stuff that's on TV, but they use the complaints and then go after other free speech and not all the profanity.

00:19:05.000 They always have to look at what's behind it, folks.

00:19:08.000 Look at things on a three-dimensional plane, not a two-dimensional.

00:19:12.000 Look at this.

00:19:15.000 So that's just some of the news.

00:19:17.000 Also, Dollar hits new low against Europe despite Eurozone call for action.

00:19:25.000 It's about to hit $1.35.

00:19:29.000 The euro is the dollar.

00:19:31.000 Just two years ago, the euro was 89 cents to the dollar.

00:19:37.000 Turns out the Total Information Awareness Network was running before 9-11.

00:19:40.000 Well, of course it was.

00:19:42.000 Of course all of it was.

00:19:45.000 Remember that football player turned army soldier who got killed?

00:19:50.000 Just like with Jessica Lynch, turns out that story isn't true.

00:19:53.000 Our own government killed him.

00:19:56.000 We'll be right back.

00:20:01.000 Hello, Ted Anderson.

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00:24:14.000 Amen.

00:24:16.000 I need to continue with the news, though, right now, that later the 87-year-old war veteran fistfights with the intruder, pushes him outside, And the guy attacks him again, and he warns him, I'm gonna shoot you, and goes ahead and shoots the guy in the foot.

00:24:33.000 The cops come and take the old man's gun, so he can't defend himself.

00:24:38.000 Despite the fact that the intruder told him, I'm gonna come back and get you.

00:24:42.000 That's in the newspaper.

00:24:44.000 So what do the cops do?

00:24:45.000 Well, let's just take your gun, you old veteran.

00:24:49.000 You can have that to defend the country, but you can't have it to defend yourself.

00:24:53.000 Poor old man.

00:24:56.000 Quite a guy, too, I tell ya.

00:25:01.000 But I guess folks from that generation come off a different chip, a different block than a lot of us do.

00:25:08.000 I tell you, the baby boomers are quite a sight, aren't they? 1.00

00:25:14.000 Bunch of spoiled little piglets. 1.00

00:25:18.000 Total Information Awareness ready before 9-11. 0.72

00:25:24.000 Of course it was.

00:25:25.000 We already knew this, but Citizens for Legitimate Government reporting, Can report today an exclusive story about the Total Information Awareness Network initiated by Admiral John Poindexter.

00:25:39.000 The exclusive story tells us that a day after 9-11, Poindexter's office of TIA program was already established at the Pentagon.

00:25:47.000 Says inside, unnamed source, well it's called the NSA, folks.

00:25:52.000 Poindexter had the TIA program already ready to roll out on 9-12-0-1.

00:25:58.000 If that means the program was already to roll out previous 9-11, the source familiar with the program and privy to top-secret government contractors said, of course.

00:26:08.000 The Total Information Awareness Program that was held by Poindexter was disassembled after Congress had decided against it.

00:26:17.000 That's not true.

00:26:18.000 Rightly asserting that it constituted an invasion of citizens' privacy.

00:26:25.000 Okay, that's not true.

00:26:27.000 The NSA at Fort Meade, the National Security Agency, has been spying on the American people since it was set up.

00:26:40.000 And the CIA has been spying on signals since it was set up in 1947.

00:26:45.000 And the OSS has been spying on a wide range of signals since it was set up in 1940.

00:26:55.000 And the Total Information Awareness Network was just one name of a particular program to take all the private databases and integrate them through a national ID card index system and to read your emails and to do these detailed algorithms of your purchase records and your activities.

00:27:15.000 So it was just NSA going public.

00:27:18.000 It was like a brand name.

00:27:20.000 It's like when Ford puts out the new Mustang.

00:27:23.000 You know, the Mustang was made at a Ford plant.

00:27:26.000 The Mustang isn't Ford.

00:27:28.000 So because they go, OK, we're recalling the Mustang, they give it a new paint job, call it a new name, and roll it back out.

00:27:34.000 It's the same thing.

00:27:36.000 And yes, we knew Poindexter was creeping around the Pentagon and the NSA before 9-11.

00:27:42.000 We knew they were already setting all this up.

00:27:43.000 We had the reports.

00:27:49.000 Listen to this out of the London Independent.

00:27:51.000 Opposition wants to be smeared with terror attack, says official.

00:27:56.000 Now we reported this before the election.

00:27:58.000 Now there's a new article out yesterday.

00:28:01.000 Bunch of police quit and said, look, we've been told to carry out bombings and blame it on the opposition.

00:28:07.000 Ukraine's embattled government is ready to stage fake terror attacks to destabilize the country and discredit the opposition ahead of a return of the presidential vote, a senior government source has told The Independent.

00:28:21.000 The official who works for the government of the Moscow-backed candidate and current Prime Minister said, one of the plans is to blow up a pipeline and blame it on the opposition supporters.

00:28:32.000 Ukraine is the key transit country for Russian gas supplies to the West.

00:28:38.000 Mr. Yakonsovich's backers fear the prospect of the candidate losing to Viktor Yuskovico.

00:28:46.000 I can't pronounce these names, I'm sorry.

00:28:48.000 And are ready to plunge the country into economic chaos, the source revealed.

00:28:54.000 They're planning to use criminals, plain bandits.

00:28:58.000 Then they have a holdover.

00:28:59.000 That's how they do it, yes.

00:29:01.000 The source said that a senior member of the government had been tasked with overseeing terrorist acts.

00:29:08.000 Well, yeah, Putin got caught by Moscow police planting bombs in the fourth building in 1999.

00:29:13.000 I mean, they got caught, folks!

00:29:17.000 I'm just glad our government isn't like this, aren't you?

00:29:19.000 I'm glad they didn't stage the Dolfa Tonkin, now admitted that they did.

00:29:23.000 I'm glad they didn't stage the USS Liberty attack between the U.S.

00:29:27.000 and Israel, to blame it on Egypt.

00:29:29.000 I'm glad they didn't have Operation North, was the official U.S.

00:29:33.000 government plan to carry out 9-11, that we do really have, yes. 0.94

00:29:38.000 Just, it's just how they operate, folks.

00:29:41.000 Hitler blew up the Reichstag to get control.

00:29:43.000 You starting to figure this out?

00:29:45.000 Their favorite trick?

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00:30:01.000 Two nuclear powers rattle sabers over a disputed area.

00:30:04.000 Peace in the Middle East derailed again as another wave of suicide bombers destabilized the region.

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00:32:58.000 My friends, we're about to go to Leonard Gammage. 0.99

00:33:15.000 Damn. 0.99

00:33:16.000 This is out of the Maycomb Journal up in Illinois. 0.98

00:33:20.000 Resident captures intruder, Leonard Gammage, is sore today, which is understandable, since he spent more than 45 minutes fighting off an intruder late Friday.

00:33:31.000 The punk came to his door, he opened the door, he pushed in on him, started assaulting him. 0.85

00:33:35.000 Gammage basically kicked his tail out of the house, he came back in, said, I'm gonna get ya. 0.62

00:33:40.000 Damage got one of his rifles, started beating him with it. 0.93

00:33:43.000 And the guy kept coming, so he warned him and shot him in the foot. 0.99

00:33:46.000 I'd have shot him in the chest. 0.81

00:33:48.000 And I thought the name rang a bell, because I'm someone of a World War II history buff, and I've read his name a few places. 0.98

00:33:53.000 I was just talking to Leonard during the break.

00:33:56.000 He was actually one of the chief trainers in in-country for 20 months, and pilots of the Flying Tigers, folks!

00:34:04.000 Leonard Gamage, a World War II hero, and I know it mentions in the article that he's a World War II veteran, and so the cops then dropped by and took his guns.

00:34:15.000 So, when the young piece of filth gets back out, and he said, I'm going to get you, I guess he can come back. 0.96

00:34:22.000 So this is how pathetic our country's gotten. 0.99

00:34:25.000 We need to change this. 0.94

00:34:27.000 You know, I really do feel good about that.

00:34:30.000 Like you can send your own cash while you're at it.

00:34:31.000 on the show just to talk about the history you've seen, but it's sad to have you on under these circumstances, but I think you ought to be proud of yourself at 87 kicking that guy's tail.

00:34:42.000 You know, I really do feel good about that.

00:34:45.000 Like you can send your own cash when you have, that's a good feeling.

00:34:50.000 And I heard you were in the hospital a few days before this happened.

00:34:55.000 Yes, I had a bad cold on the last Wednesday.

00:34:58.000 Blowing my nose, and I developed a very severe nosebleed.

00:35:04.000 And the doctor said, now you, he impacted it.

00:35:07.000 You go home, and you just stay in bed.

00:35:09.000 Don't move around.

00:35:10.000 Don't touch your nose.

00:35:13.000 Well, two nights later is when that intruder arrived.

00:35:17.000 I was weak because I'd lost a lot of blood. 1.00

00:35:22.000 Describe what this scumbag did. 0.99

00:35:25.000 Well, it was very shocking to be sitting here watching television. 0.99

00:35:30.000 I live by Pine Timber, about a half mile off the main highway and about a mile from the city of Macomb, which has a university, Western Illinois University.

00:35:43.000 And we had a little trouble with people on drugs.

00:35:49.000 He made a very loud knock on the front door.

00:35:52.000 And I have no traffic down here, just pine trees and deer and soybeans.

00:35:59.000 So I went to the other door.

00:36:01.000 They both opened on the patio.

00:36:04.000 And I unlocked the door and turned on my porch light.

00:36:07.000 And he opened the storm door and shoved me back against my kitchen table.

00:36:13.000 Well, I was in a shock.

00:36:15.000 But I did manage to push him out back on the patio.

00:36:19.000 And I had two old family rifles on a gun rack.

00:36:24.000 I want to stop you right there.

00:36:25.000 Let me stop you right there, sir.

00:36:28.000 Two family rifles.

00:36:31.000 Oh, this is getting worse by the minute.

00:36:33.000 Two family rifles.

00:36:35.000 For those that have family rifles, Oh, so these were family rivals, please continue.

00:36:40.000 Well, yes, one was a Stephens I'd had since, well, my dad owned it years ago.

00:36:45.000 Oh, no.

00:36:47.000 And I managed to pull the Stephens, it was a magazine or a bolt action.

00:36:56.000 I pulled it out of the rack by the barrel, and I was lucky to have enough space to swing it and hit the intruder in the back.

00:37:05.000 Well let me stop you, let me stop you Leonard just for a second.

00:37:10.000 So people get an idea.

00:37:11.000 The paper says this went on for 45 minutes.

00:37:13.000 How long did you, is that accurate?

00:37:15.000 How long did you fight this guy off?

00:37:17.000 Well it, it, it, I slept in the kitchen at the time.

00:37:23.000 And that went on for about 10 minutes.

00:37:28.000 And he entered the kitchen twice.

00:37:31.000 We fell down twice. 0.99

00:37:33.000 We had a scuffle, he was trying to get a hold of the gun, and I was lucky, I was lucky in this, cause he was pretty strong, and um, I got him out the door, and I said, now, leave, or I'm gonna kill you.

00:37:50.000 Well, he just stood on the patio, glaring at me, and I shot on the floor, right next to his right foot.

00:38:00.000 And I shot again next to his left foot. 0.66

00:38:03.000 And he didn't even flinch. 0.93

00:38:05.000 And he said, I'm going to get you.

00:38:08.000 Well, that shook me up, because I knew he was dead serious.

00:38:14.000 So I took a deep breath and went right to the arch.

00:38:18.000 And he screamed.

00:38:19.000 Leonard, let me stop you right there.

00:38:21.000 Yes.

00:38:21.000 Before you get to the shooting.

00:38:23.000 Tell me what the scumbag looked like. 0.99

00:38:27.000 Well, he wasn't a bad looking guy. 0.99

00:38:30.000 He looked like a college student, which I understand he may be.

00:38:34.000 About 20 years old.

00:38:36.000 Average age.

00:38:38.000 Small, not big.

00:38:39.000 Because the newspaper doesn't give his name or anything, but they give your name.

00:38:44.000 Tell us what this guy looks like for folks in your town.

00:38:47.000 He looked just like a college student.

00:38:53.000 You know, dressed in the usual college grab.

00:38:57.000 He was shaven, had a pretty long hair.

00:39:02.000 Was he Anglo?

00:39:04.000 Yes, he was.

00:39:05.000 Well now... Was he a young yuppie punk?

00:39:10.000 Yes, that's about it, I guess.

00:39:12.000 Just a punk, okay.

00:39:13.000 Yes.

00:39:13.000 Alright, I'm sorry for interrupting you.

00:39:16.000 So he says, I'm gonna get ya after you've shot two shots by his feet.

00:39:20.000 What do you do next?

00:39:21.000 Well, he was only about seven on the patio.

00:39:25.000 He's only, you know, about six feet away.

00:39:28.000 I didn't have much time.

00:39:30.000 And I was lucky that I was able to hit his foot.

00:39:32.000 I shot through the door, and the door has an insert where you put a screen in.

00:39:39.000 So I shot through the screen insert, and hit him in the arch. 0.83

00:39:45.000 And he screamed and jumped, and about like a chicken with its head off, rotated around on a walk.

00:39:53.000 He calmed down finally and I made him stand up and hold on to the porch pillow.

00:40:00.000 I said, I gotta make a phone call. 1.00

00:40:02.000 If you move, I'll shoot you. 1.00

00:40:06.000 So you understand that? 0.99

00:40:08.000 And he shook his head.

00:40:09.000 So I got back in the kitchen where I could look every second or two and call my neighbor.

00:40:16.000 Cause he was close by and um, Tom Friday.

00:40:21.000 So uh, When I looked back out, I just told my neighbor, help me, Leonard, and I'm up.

00:40:29.000 Well, I looked back out, he was gone.

00:40:32.000 And the only light was the, um, cutterwalk bomb on the back door.

00:40:37.000 And it was, and this close to the, uh, town, there's a slight overcast in the lights, reflection.

00:40:45.000 It's pretty dark, but still, it's a little bit of light.

00:40:48.000 Now, I understand the lights bounce off of the clouds back down.

00:40:52.000 Yeah.

00:40:53.000 So, uh, I thought, God, I hate to go out there in the car, because he may be watching me, and the commitment with an axer.

00:41:02.000 Coach Grudge has pitchforks, axes, you know, everything.

00:41:06.000 So, uh, I went out straight south of the house, and he couldn't see me come out that door, and then went down into a little valley, into the pine timber.

00:41:20.000 And then I went to the pine timber, Keepin' my eyes up towards the barn and made a circle route to the adjoining soybean field up behind the barn.

00:41:33.000 And the garage is between the barn and the house.

00:41:37.000 Well, then I saw him move around the west side of the barn, of the garage, while I was standing on the side of the barn.

00:41:47.000 And he was looking at the house, so I knew he thought I was still in the house.

00:41:53.000 So I went quietly towards the garage to get my gun ready to fire.

00:42:03.000 When I got to about 30 feet of him, he was still looking at the house.

00:42:09.000 And I said, do not turn around. 0.99

00:42:11.000 If you move, I'll kill you. 0.99

00:42:14.000 Well, he didn't move. 1.00

00:42:18.000 I got up to him. 0.87

00:42:20.000 And I probably said a couple of curse words, and, uh, like, you know, well, I didn't feel inclined to just shoot him in the chest. 0.94

00:42:29.000 And then he begged not to be shot, and I thought, damn it, this could be his first experience with drugs, and he may be a nice guy, really. 0.57

00:42:38.000 So, uh, I marched back up to the back of the house and sat on a rock wall, on the back, back near the patio, I think you said on this walk, do not turn around, but speak. 0.96

00:42:54.000 And, um, I said, you understand?

00:42:56.000 He shook his head.

00:42:57.000 Then Tom Friday drove up.

00:43:00.000 He got out and he looked like he was in a coma because I had this gun about, you know, about a foot away from the man's head.

00:43:09.000 And, uh, Tom said, Leonard, what's, what's going on?

00:43:13.000 What are you doing?

00:43:14.000 I said, this guy's trying to kill me. 1.00

00:43:18.000 So I'm debating whether or not to kill him. 0.99

00:43:20.000 I'm sitting there, wait, wait, calm down, calm down. 0.99

00:43:24.000 He said, keep your gun on him, I'll call the sheriff.

00:43:28.000 So he called the sheriff.

00:43:30.000 And then about six or eight police cars came in with fire trucks.

00:43:35.000 And the intruder would not tell us anything except his name.

00:43:41.000 By the way, I want to know his name.

00:43:43.000 What's his name?

00:43:44.000 Well, you know, I couldn't understand it.

00:43:47.000 It sounded like Well, James Bandelier or something like that.

00:43:53.000 Well, why didn't the newspaper put this punk's name in the paper?

00:43:57.000 Well, then I didn't like him taking my two old family guns.

00:44:05.000 Let's stop right there.

00:44:06.000 Let me stop you right there. 0.98

00:44:07.000 Yeah.

00:44:08.000 Was it the Sheriff's Department, the Police Department, who took your daddy's rifle that he gave you?

00:44:14.000 Because I want that rifle back.

00:44:16.000 It was a McDonough County Sheriff.

00:44:20.000 And his first name is Mike, and I think his last name is Johnson.

00:44:24.000 Okay, now a Sheriff's Deputy took it?

00:44:27.000 No, the Sheriff himself.

00:44:29.000 Okay, so Mike Johnson, sheriff of what county?

00:44:31.000 McDonald County.

00:44:33.000 McDonald?

00:44:34.000 Yeah, and McComas County seat.

00:44:37.000 Okay, um... He's McDonald County Sheriff.

00:44:41.000 And this happened how many days ago?

00:44:43.000 Friday night, about, you know, three nights ago.

00:44:47.000 Please describe to me, sir, once the police get there and they see you've got this guy at gunpoint, did they tell you to put your gun down, act like you were bad somehow?

00:44:56.000 Well, yes.

00:44:57.000 Of course they did.

00:44:58.000 Now, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:45:00.000 When the police got there, I still had the gun.

00:45:04.000 And Tom, my neighbor, said, uh, Leonard, we better give the gun to the police.

00:45:11.000 So, uh, the sheriff was there, and so Tom handed the gun to the sheriff.

00:45:17.000 And then the sheriff said, uh, you did a hell of a job, Eric.

00:45:21.000 And, uh, then I told him what happened.

00:45:24.000 But he still took your gun!

00:45:25.000 Yes.

00:45:26.000 He apologized.

00:45:27.000 He said, well, I said, well... That doesn't cut it.

00:45:30.000 Once this guy has a friend that resents me shooting his buddy, then I'm out here without any gun.

00:45:35.000 I don't like that.

00:45:37.000 Say that again. 0.71

00:45:37.000 I told the sheriff, once this intruder has a friend that resents me shooting his friend, then they come back out here, two or three guys, And I don't have any means of defense. 0.71

00:45:51.000 Well, if I live in Illinois, I'd drop by your house and I'd give you a gun right now.

00:45:56.000 Well, several neighbors have called me and offered... Well, don't say it.

00:46:01.000 Yeah.

00:46:02.000 Yeah, just don't say it.

00:46:03.000 Yeah.

00:46:05.000 But I understand.

00:46:06.000 That's good.

00:46:06.000 Yeah.

00:46:08.000 But... But the chef, he apologized.

00:46:11.000 He wasn't... He's a nice guy.

00:46:13.000 He said, Leonard, I hate to do this, but the law requires me to pick up any weapon.

00:46:19.000 When there's an ordeal, it goes on like this.

00:46:22.000 But the newspaper says it's because you didn't have a permit.

00:46:25.000 That's true, I never did have a permit.

00:46:28.000 You don't need a permit!

00:46:29.000 I mean, we have the Second Amendment that trumps... I mean, even in your little town, you gotta have permits.

00:46:34.000 I guess it's statewide.

00:46:36.000 Well, he said, you go out to the front gang Monday and apply for a permit, which I did.

00:46:42.000 But you know, I can rely on every question.

00:46:46.000 They just said, have you ever been in trouble before?

00:46:48.000 I said, no. 0.92

00:46:49.000 A lot of little silly questions.

00:46:51.000 I saved five bucks and I got to send that in to Springfield.

00:46:54.000 Have you gotten your guns back yet?

00:46:56.000 Yeah, no, Sheriff still has my guns.

00:47:00.000 Yeah, they got a tendency to not give them back.

00:47:01.000 They better give you your daddy's gun back. 0.94

00:47:03.000 Well, see, that's nostalgic reasons I want to send them back.

00:47:08.000 Believe me, I know.

00:47:09.000 I've got guns that were great-great-granddaddy's.

00:47:12.000 Well, you know the feeling.

00:47:14.000 In a way, I think that wouldn't have saved my life.

00:47:18.000 Well, let me ask you this question, because if somebody comes in my house, when he busted in, I would have, because they tell you, he could have gotten the gun away from you, your second shot could have misfired, let me stop you, the police, obviously sir, you're a combat veteran, trained the Flying Tigers, you were an officer in the Flying Tigers, I'm not going to tell you about That's true.

00:47:39.000 Well, I... I never said he heard that he got my attorney already.

00:47:42.000 The intruder.

00:47:42.000 Well, there's not a hell of a note that I may end up being sued.

00:47:45.000 where he could have mis-fired on the second shot. 0.99

00:47:47.000 Now this scumbag may sue you. 1.00

00:47:49.000 That's true. 1.00

00:47:50.000 Well, I never said he heard that he got his attorney already, the intruder. 0.99

00:47:56.000 Got the lawyer to defend himself because he's a dirty criminal? 0.82

00:48:00.000 Well, isn't that a note that I may end up being sued? 0.91

00:48:05.000 The people, I think, wouldn't object very much.

00:48:12.000 But what else could I do?

00:48:13.000 I just hope he doesn't fall down in the shower in the jail.

00:48:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:18.000 It's irritating.

00:48:22.000 I just hope he doesn't fall and hit his head.

00:48:23.000 You know what? 0.77

00:48:26.000 I'm really sick of people like this that attack old people, that attack women, that attack children, and it makes me want to throw up And I see this over and over again.

00:48:37.000 I just want to tell all the criminals. 0.99

00:48:38.000 You come in my house, I'm going to unload into your torso. 1.00

00:48:41.000 Well, you know, I collect classic cars.

00:48:45.000 Live with myself, I'm single.

00:48:47.000 And maybe he had an idea of getting one of my cars or something.

00:48:52.000 But he walked by the neighbors and the sheriff said, why in the hell did he walk all the way out from town?

00:48:59.000 Well, I said, I don't know.

00:49:03.000 I sure depend on my guns for security.

00:49:08.000 And what'd the police officer say?

00:49:10.000 He said, I know, I hate like hell to take these guns, and I'll do all I can to help you get them back.

00:49:18.000 According to Farm King, that may be 60 days or... You know what?

00:49:21.000 Yeah, 60 days. 0.68

00:49:22.000 They need to... That is disgusting. 1.00

00:49:24.000 And now this scumbag... There have been cases where criminals fall through skylights. 1.00

00:49:29.000 And then sue the people's house they fell into. 0.80

00:49:32.000 Isn't that ridiculous? 0.84

00:49:35.000 I can't, that's not right. 0.76

00:49:37.000 Well, the reason, the courts, a lot of these socialist courts are actually on their side because they don't like you defending yourself.

00:49:43.000 Have you heard the stories of in England you defend yourself in your own home and they charge you?

00:49:48.000 Yeah, I know.

00:49:50.000 Somebody goes hunting across my land, which is supposed to be no hunting, and they break a leg like an old whale or something, I'm accountable.

00:49:59.000 And I don't agree with that.

00:50:02.000 Well, it's just general craziness is what it is.

00:50:05.000 Yes, it is.

00:50:08.000 Well, we need to... You know what?

00:50:09.000 I'm going to hold you over for the break, sir, but I want to get your... I want to give you my number, and if this punk sues you or anything happens, I know we've got a lot of listeners in Illinois.

00:50:21.000 What area of Illinois are you in?

00:50:23.000 Are you where Peoria is?

00:50:26.000 Peoria?

00:50:26.000 Yes, just describe the area.

00:50:28.000 I'm about 70 miles southwest of Peoria.

00:50:34.000 About 40 miles from the Mississippi River.

00:50:37.000 Well, folks in that area need to come to your aid.

00:50:39.000 Your neighbors need to.

00:50:41.000 Well, hey, I went to the family restaurant this morning and I couldn't believe the people came over and shook my hand and said, we admire you.

00:50:50.000 You're a hero and we need more people like you.

00:50:52.000 Hey, well, stay there.

00:50:54.000 We got a break, sir.

00:50:55.000 He flew with the Flying Tigers, Leonard Damage.

00:50:58.000 Now his guns have been taken.

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00:53:56.000 Leonard Gammage, when you were an officer of the Flying Tigers there in China for 20 when you were an officer of the Flying Tigers there in China for 20 months, then later, of course, in the Air Force after they had a long career, did then later, of course, in the Air Force after they had a long career, did you ever imagine

00:54:26.000 Did he get that?

00:54:28.000 That's true.

00:54:31.000 I retired as a Lieutenant Colonel.

00:54:33.000 But did you ever imagine that that would happen to you?

00:54:36.000 Never, never, never.

00:54:39.000 I mean, what's happened to our country?

00:54:42.000 Isn't it sad?

00:54:43.000 Really?

00:54:44.000 And those guys that die every day in Iraq.

00:54:46.000 What a horrible shame.

00:54:49.000 Terrible.

00:54:52.000 And then, what's America turning into?

00:54:54.000 Well, that's what worries me.

00:54:55.000 That's, you know, that's what I call my neighbor, Tom Friday, because I knew he'd be here quick.

00:55:04.000 And he was.

00:55:09.000 Bottom line, I hope you get your guns back, and I'm glad people are giving you support in the community.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, they have super fun, and they do have papers on the local television stations.

00:55:22.000 I think it was on Channel 7 here this morning again.

00:55:26.000 You know what I feel sorry for is these single women with children, and the man's run off or whatever, and the woman's been so brainwashed about guns being bad that she hasn't gone out and taken a lesson. 1.00

00:55:38.000 She'd get an instant access pistol safe where the gun's safe and locked up.

00:55:42.000 Why wouldn't these people go? 0.99

00:55:43.000 Because all the time they get raped and killed. 1.00

00:55:45.000 Yeah, yeah, that's just terrible. 1.00

00:55:49.000 Bad.

00:55:50.000 You mentioned you might give me your telephone number in case I'd like to get in touch with you.

00:55:56.000 We're about to go out to break and I'll give that to you.

00:55:56.000 Yes, sir.

00:55:58.000 I know you've got to go.

00:56:00.000 Do you have a doctor's appointment or something today?

00:56:02.000 No, no, no.

00:56:03.000 The chef's coming down here at 1230 to make a video of the farm and me and make a detailed take of that position.

00:56:16.000 Alright, well I hope they don't pull something.

00:56:19.000 It sounds like public opinion is on your side, but I've seen cases in the United States.

00:56:24.000 I saw a case where it was like an 85 year old man.

00:56:28.000 We even had him on a couple years ago and the guys busted in and were beating him up in his bedroom.

00:56:33.000 And he shot and killed one and wounded the other and last time I heard he got in some trouble.

00:56:33.000 Yeah.

00:56:38.000 Isn't that disgusting?

00:56:41.000 I don't buy that at all.

00:56:43.000 Well it's just upside down.

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 Yeah, the bums get more protection and more respect in the court. 0.99

00:56:52.000 Well, that's because you've got bums running the courts. 1.00

00:56:54.000 Yeah, well, that's true too.

00:56:57.000 You know... If folks want to... Your name is in information.

00:57:02.000 If somebody wants to take the time to get a hold of you or... It's in the local directory, yes.

00:57:08.000 If folks want to support you somehow that are in Illinois, Just don't forget that if you have any problems, just again, call me.

00:57:16.000 Good.

00:57:18.000 And I'll try to get you some support going because there's no telling what's going to come out of this.

00:57:21.000 Yeah, I'm worried about it, Billy.

00:57:24.000 Well, you shouldn't be too worried.

00:57:25.000 You'll probably be okay.

00:57:26.000 In most of these cases, you are.

00:57:27.000 But there are certain people, especially in Illinois and New York, that want to make an example, that want to make people think it's illegal to defend yourself.

00:57:36.000 Like the whistleblowers.

00:57:37.000 Look what trouble they go to and how they're treated.

00:57:41.000 You know, that's too bad.

00:57:43.000 Well, I'm supposed to be writing a book, but I procrastinate a lot.

00:57:45.000 I enjoy, you know, beer and cars and chasing around.

00:57:48.000 Well, I'm supposed to be writing a book, but I procrastinate a lot.

00:57:52.000 I enjoy, you know, beer and cars and chasing around.

00:57:57.000 And you enjoy beating up punks, too.

00:58:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:03.000 You know, to tell you the truth, I felt good about that after it was over.

00:58:09.000 Yeah, I bet it felt good.

00:58:10.000 And I like my body for standing up to it.

00:58:16.000 If you're hit once with a pipe, you can't use that arm again.

00:58:20.000 It's sterilized.

00:58:21.000 So if he'd hit me with a pipe or something like that, I would have been helpless.

00:58:30.000 Well, God bless you.

00:58:31.000 I know you got the sheriff coming out.

00:58:34.000 So you probably need to leave us now, don't you?

00:58:36.000 Well, yeah, it'll probably be a couple hours.

00:58:40.000 Okay, well let me keep you a little bit into the next segment then, okay?

00:58:43.000 Okay, good.

00:58:44.000 Okay, let me give you my phone number during the break.

00:58:46.000 Okay, good.

00:58:46.000 We're going to take some calls.

00:58:48.000 We'll be right back.

00:58:49.000 Big Brother.

00:58:59.000 Mainstream media.

00:59:01.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:04.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 Well, if you missed the last 30 minutes, you missed it.

00:59:19.000 Amazing interview, he's still with us.

00:59:21.000 The Macomb Journal, a lot of other papers in Illinois.

00:59:24.000 Resident captures intruder, Leonard Gamage, 87 years old, top Flying Tiger, an officer over the Flying Tigers in combat.

00:59:39.000 Punk comes in, busts in his house, assaults him.

00:59:42.000 The old guy beats him back out in the yard.

00:59:44.000 The guy tries to come back in.

00:59:46.000 He fires warning shots.

00:59:47.000 The guy keeps coming. 0.97

00:59:48.000 He shoots him in the foot. 0.70

00:59:49.000 Again, I ought to put a nice little pattern, a nice little smiley face right in that guy's chest and one in the head as he's falling.

00:59:55.000 I'm sorry, folks.

00:59:56.000 It's just what you're supposed to do.

00:59:58.000 He was lenient, I guess.

00:59:59.000 A lot of folks, as they get older in many cases, love life more, and I understand that.

01:00:03.000 I've experienced that myself, and I'm not even that old.

01:00:06.000 But then the cops came out and confiscated his two firearms, including a rifle that his father had given him.

01:00:12.000 His father's rifle.

01:00:14.000 And I know we got loaded phone lines here.

01:00:15.000 We're just going to keep you about 15 more minutes.

01:00:17.000 I know the sheriff's coming back out to your house today for a deposition.

01:00:22.000 But right now, let's take some calls.

01:00:24.000 Okay, sir?

01:00:26.000 Okay, let's talk to Bruce in Illinois, then we'll go to Albert, Charles, Tim, and Scott.

01:00:26.000 Good!

01:00:30.000 Bruce, go ahead.

01:00:31.000 Yeah, Alex.

01:00:32.000 The permit that Leonard here is talking about, I believe is the Illinois FOID card.

01:00:38.000 I think that's why the sheriff confiscated those guns. 0.83

01:00:41.000 It's still disgusting!

01:00:42.000 Well, it's absolutely disgusting, and what's really bad is, you know, the FOID card is an enforcement mechanism.

01:00:48.000 And if any of these gun ban or confiscation laws are ever passed in Illinois, they know where to get them.

01:00:53.000 It will be enforced through the FOID card application renewal process.

01:00:57.000 And that's why it's so important, if the people in this state, which I'm a member of in this state, would make the phone calls and demand that this FOID card be repealed, Leonard here would not be, would still have his firearms.

01:01:10.000 And to take that Stevens away, that belonged to his dad, a bold action Stevens, Hey, Leonard, is that a .22 Bolt Action Stevens?

01:01:17.000 That's true, yeah.

01:01:19.000 Sir, that is a classic firearm.

01:01:21.000 Yes, sir.

01:01:22.000 I'm one of the deep-feeling sports.

01:01:25.000 Yeah, and for you to lose that, that is an absolute, utter disgrace.

01:01:28.000 And I'll tell you something, Alex, the State Rifle Association in this state, when this FOID card first came out, when it was proposed in the mid-1960s, there was a lot of racial tensions and racial violence with race riots in Chicago.

01:01:41.000 Yeah, it's a racial law, yeah.

01:01:43.000 And what people need to understand is that that FOID card is technically a compromise between the NRA state affiliate and the state of Illinois.

01:01:51.000 That's how we got that Philly law.

01:01:54.000 And we need to repeal that law.

01:01:55.000 Hey, I catch the NRA all the time supporting gun laws.

01:01:58.000 Well, that was a compromise.

01:01:59.000 See, the original proposal, Alex, was that the state of Illinois was going to register every firearm in this state for $5 per firearm.

01:02:07.000 Well, in 1960's money, You know, if you had ten guns, that's fifty bucks.

01:02:12.000 That's so much money that what they've done is they've compromised.

01:02:15.000 And the compromise was that they would register every gun owner for five dollars over a period of five years.

01:02:21.000 Leonard, do you remember that FOID card when it first came out and how they tried to register all the guns?

01:02:27.000 Yes, yes, I remember that.

01:02:28.000 Okay, well, see, you know, and the reason you've lost your guns, because I'll tell you, that's such a disgrace, but you've lost your guns because the NRA state affiliate here in Illinois The NRA has supported that thing, and even in the Chicago Tribune, Alex, even all the way back into October, there were still stories in the Chicago Tribune of how the State Rifle Association still supports this FOID card.

01:02:50.000 We need to contact the State Rifle Association.

01:02:52.000 No, the NRA, I've caught them in Texas, all over, supporting gun laws, folks.

01:02:58.000 And I'm a liberal because I'm against it.

01:03:00.000 We have to demand that the State Rifle Association, the ISRA.org, stop supporting that FOID card.

01:03:07.000 Now, I hear you.

01:03:07.000 We need to get a real Second Amendment group.

01:03:09.000 Thanks for the call.

01:03:09.000 Yeah.

01:03:10.000 Hey, thank you, Leonard.

01:03:11.000 Bye.

01:03:12.000 Leonard, I tell you, that's true, and that makes me angry.

01:03:15.000 Yeah, me too.

01:03:16.000 And I feel defenseless right now.

01:03:19.000 Well, now, you've gone and gotten your little permission card now.

01:03:22.000 You should be able to go out and buy another gun.

01:03:24.000 Well, I'm thinking about that.

01:03:26.000 You need to go directly to the gun shop And this time you need to buy yourself a .357 revolver.

01:03:33.000 Nice, simple action.

01:03:34.000 You know what to do with it.

01:03:36.000 And if anybody comes back over there, you know what to do.

01:03:38.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:03:40.000 And remember, always put one in the brain.

01:03:42.000 We'll be right back after this quick break.

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01:06:59.000 This is how small the world is. - Leonard Gamage, 87, had been in the hospital two days before because of a horribly bad nosebleed with a cold he had.

01:07:17.000 Lost a lot of blood.

01:07:18.000 Doctors said stay in bed for two days.

01:07:21.000 Two days later, thug comes, tries to bust in his house.

01:07:25.000 He fist fights him.

01:07:27.000 They wrestle all over the floor.

01:07:29.000 The 87-year-old man gets the 20-year-old punk outside.

01:07:32.000 The punk comes back in.

01:07:33.000 He pulls his rifle his daddy gave him.

01:07:37.000 Pulls him back off. 0.99

01:07:40.000 Shoots him in the ankle.

01:07:41.000 Something I'm going to tell you right now I wouldn't have done, but he's got more lenience than I have. 0.99

01:07:47.000 And the police come and take his guns!

01:07:50.000 That's Illinois for you and a lot of other states.

01:07:53.000 And, uh, Leonard Gamage was, uh, again, a senior member of the Flying Tigers, 20 months in-country in China, and of course went and stayed in the Air Force and retired as a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S.

01:08:07.000 Air Force.

01:08:08.000 And this is how we treat, uh, this combat veteran of World War II.

01:08:15.000 From the Flying Tigers, folks.

01:08:18.000 Uh, let's, uh, this is classic.

01:08:20.000 It just illustrates everything.

01:08:24.000 Of course it would happen to somebody like him.

01:08:25.000 Well, it's happened to everybody else, too.

01:08:27.000 And for all the police and the firemen and the folks that are good out there, you know this is gonna happen to your parents, it's gonna happen to you when you're old.

01:08:35.000 It's wrong.

01:08:36.000 It's wrong.

01:08:38.000 They leave him defenseless out there so this punk's friends could come back by there.

01:08:43.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Albert in Florida.

01:08:47.000 Albert, thanks for holding.

01:08:48.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:08:50.000 A question for you off the subject.

01:08:52.000 Is there a plan by the United States government to take over cities in the United States and turn them into corporations, therefore they can control the infrastructure of this company?

01:09:01.000 Yes, it's called privatization.

01:09:04.000 The prisons, the electrical, the water, everything.

01:09:08.000 And it's not privatization.

01:09:09.000 It's really they socialize the wealth that's handed over to key corporations.

01:09:14.000 So it's a corporate looting.

01:09:17.000 So the cities are turned into corporations, and that actually changes their structure and their laws?

01:09:21.000 Well, they've actually always been corporations, but then the quasi-governmental, since cities were set up, but they were always quasi-governmental, operating under state law.

01:09:32.000 Now, sections of cities, key infrastructures, are being sold off for pennies on the dollar.

01:09:38.000 The companies pay off the politicians.

01:09:40.000 The politicians then hand over the assets to private corporations.

01:09:44.000 And don't we lose more and more of our sovereignty and our rights as the federal government turns it into a corporation?

01:09:49.000 Doesn't that give them more of an opportunity to get in and get to the boss?

01:09:53.000 Yeah, don't they say you can't see our books?

01:09:54.000 Exactly.

01:09:55.000 Yeah, that's something else.

01:09:56.000 Any comments for our guest?

01:09:58.000 Yeah, I think he needs to get that sheriff to come down there and stand guard outside his house unarmed until they give him his rifles back.

01:10:05.000 Well, that's right.

01:10:06.000 Walk a mile in Leonard's shoes.

01:10:08.000 I mean, imagine telling the cops, hey, give us your guns.

01:10:11.000 Go out and do your job with all these dangerous people without guns.

01:10:14.000 Yeah, just let him stand out there unarmed so he can...

01:10:17.000 Take these assailants on, you know, while they come with their, you know, their guns.

01:10:20.000 Yeah, let's see if this, uh, if this sheriff can do what an 87-year-old man did.

01:10:24.000 I think it used to be, you know, protective custody or protection or whatever.

01:10:28.000 I mean, he has to have some kind of rights where they gotta protect them.

01:10:30.000 Well, the federal courts have ruled, and so have state courts.

01:10:32.000 They have no obligation to protect us, but then they still want our guns.

01:10:35.000 Thanks for the call.

01:10:36.000 That's a good point he just made, Leonard.

01:10:38.000 That's a good point.

01:10:39.000 Good point.

01:10:41.000 Well, we should all... I ought to get the number to the McDonald County and the seats there in... I'll give you the Sheriff's number.

01:10:49.000 So your code is 309... Well, let me write this down.

01:10:53.000 Everybody get a pen and paper.

01:10:54.000 You want us to call him?

01:10:54.000 309... 833... 2323.

01:10:54.000 2323.

01:10:55.000 Well, um... Let's see how this turns out.

01:10:59.000 2323. 2323.

01:11:01.000 You want us to call him?

01:11:04.000 Well, let's see how this turns out.

01:11:08.000 He's a nice guy, really.

01:11:10.000 I mean, you know what I mean?

01:11:12.000 I mean, he's, uh, he did seem reluctant to take my guns.

01:11:17.000 But that makes it even worse.

01:11:18.000 It means he has conscious knowledge of what he's doing is wrong.

01:11:21.000 Yeah, you know, you've got a point there.

01:11:25.000 Yeah, I know.

01:11:27.000 309-833-2323.

01:11:27.000 Yeah.

01:11:28.000 Look, police turn blind eyes to their own real corruption every day. 0.96

01:11:32.000 Why don't they do it for something that's obviously ridiculous? 0.86

01:11:34.000 Yeah, I agree. 0.76

01:11:37.000 3-0-9-8-3-3-23-23-23?

01:11:38.000 That's it.

01:11:41.000 Okay, people call, just nicely say, give the old veteran his guns back, or get out there and protect him.

01:11:46.000 Well, I appreciate that, because I am nervous.

01:11:49.000 Well, this punk told you I'm going to get you.

01:11:52.000 Yeah, he did.

01:11:54.000 Well, let's go ahead and make another call.

01:11:56.000 Charles in Louisiana.

01:11:57.000 You're on the air, Charles.

01:11:58.000 How you doing, Mr. Jones?

01:11:59.000 Good.

01:12:00.000 Did you hear what happened to Louisiana last night?

01:12:03.000 It was on the news.

01:12:05.000 Escaped convict, uh, was supposed to escape.

01:12:08.000 They wouldn't give his name or his description.

01:12:10.000 They blocked off the streets and started going door to door.

01:12:14.000 It's on Channel 9 News, Baton Rouge.

01:12:16.000 I know up in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, they cordoned off the whole neighborhood and confiscated all the guns.

01:12:26.000 Well here, this is just what I guess they confiscated the guns last night.

01:12:30.000 The people just love them though, Mr. Jones.

01:12:32.000 They're like, come on in, come on in.

01:12:33.000 They're just running up there with their camouflage and their helmets, the police in their military uniforms.

01:12:41.000 How many areas did they search?

01:12:42.000 Well, they searched for a good while.

01:12:45.000 I don't really know, but I talked to the police.

01:12:47.000 I tried to get through there.

01:12:48.000 And he said, man, he said, it's unbelievable.

01:12:51.000 He said, man, the people had no resistance.

01:12:54.000 That's why they're doing this.

01:12:55.000 And the guy I gave one of you a tape.

01:12:56.000 So the police officer you talked to was.

01:12:58.000 Yeah, well, a guy I gave you tapes to.

01:13:00.000 He said, you know, these people here, he said, they bred, they bred for this.

01:13:05.000 He said, this is pitiful.

01:13:06.000 This be my house, and I'll be fine.

01:13:08.000 The police told me that.

01:13:10.000 And they just come on in, you should have seen them open the doors and...

01:13:13.000 Telling people, get against the walls, and police up there.

01:13:16.000 So it's not just, oh yes, put me up against the wall!

01:13:19.000 And they do this now, they don't even know where the convicts at.

01:13:22.000 Let's just treat everybody like criminals.

01:13:23.000 Mr. Jones, believe this man, I love you man.

01:13:26.000 But the people want this.

01:13:28.000 Like this guy talking about, we need to get this law.

01:13:30.000 They ain't supposed to fool with no guns.

01:13:32.000 They ain't supposed to have no laws.

01:13:33.000 You got a right to bear arms.

01:13:34.000 And the people, oh we need to get rid of this law and that law.

01:13:37.000 Like this last caller.

01:13:38.000 These people need this.

01:13:40.000 They need to all go to prison for a year, that way they'll learn the law.

01:13:43.000 They don't know what terrority is.

01:13:45.000 But they opened the door.

01:13:46.000 You should have seen them.

01:13:47.000 They were so happy.

01:13:48.000 They were being protected.

01:13:50.000 I called up and said, what does the guy look like?

01:13:51.000 We're not seeing him.

01:13:52.000 What is his name?

01:13:53.000 We're not seeing him.

01:13:54.000 Why not tell the people?

01:13:55.000 Just take a look for him.

01:13:56.000 I called the sheriff's office.

01:13:57.000 Back when we were a free country, back when we were a free country, that all the men would have been out with their rifles.

01:14:03.000 We're the police.

01:14:04.000 Find him.

01:14:04.000 They would have found him in ten minutes.

01:14:06.000 Uh, well... But instead, let's send the police out and have them going until people are putting their hands up being searched.

01:14:12.000 Oh yeah, they were going into houses.

01:14:15.000 They were going house to house.

01:14:16.000 Like one house, they come out, another house.

01:14:18.000 Then they come out, another house.

01:14:20.000 Let me get a comment from our guest.

01:14:21.000 Leonard?

01:14:22.000 Uh, yes.

01:14:23.000 What do you think about that?

01:14:24.000 Well, you know, I'm as disturbed as you people are.

01:14:28.000 It's... I don't know what I can do about it, but... It's very disturbing to see Tony, disregard our safety!

01:14:39.000 Well, look, number one, tactics-wise, just running into neighborhoods wildly, putting people's hands up against walls and putting guns to them, that isn't how you find people.

01:14:49.000 You put their picture on the news, and the police drive around giving the description, and they find them.

01:14:54.000 That's how it used to work back when this country was free.

01:14:57.000 They just said ex-convict.

01:14:58.000 They wouldn't give the name.

01:14:59.000 Everybody asked, who is it?

01:15:00.000 We're not going to say the name.

01:15:01.000 I bet you money that was a drill.

01:15:04.000 If you're on Channel 9 News, Dot News, you can pull it up on the website.

01:15:08.000 I've been calling all morning, everybody, telling them to pull it up.

01:15:11.000 But you see the people, they need, these people need to be in FEMA Care. 0.98

01:15:16.000 They are so dumbed down. 1.00

01:15:17.000 They are so stupid. 1.00

01:15:19.000 I mean, they didn't have walking around sense, Mr. Jones. 1.00

01:15:24.000 They loved it.

01:15:25.000 It was attention to them. 1.00

01:15:27.000 I can't believe even the police said how stupid they were! 1.00

01:15:30.000 The police said how stupid they were! 1.00

01:15:32.000 If that'd be me, that'd never happen. 1.00

01:15:34.000 What did your police officer friends say about it?

01:15:37.000 Huh?

01:15:38.000 I said, man, they're going up there to get their results.

01:15:41.000 Alex?

01:15:41.000 Yes, sir?

01:15:42.000 I've got to leave you.

01:15:44.000 Oh, the sheriff's there?

01:15:44.000 Oh, wait a minute.

01:15:45.000 Mr. Alex?

01:15:47.000 Hold on a second.

01:15:49.000 Hold on a second.

01:15:54.000 Leonard, are you there? - Okay, well that's out of here.

01:15:57.000 Oh, well.

01:15:57.000 Uh, this is Tom Friday, the, uh, guy that helped me.

01:16:02.000 He came over to see if it was okay.

01:16:03.000 You want to speak to him a little bit?

01:16:05.000 Sure.

01:16:05.000 Hey, uh, Charles.

01:16:07.000 Hang on.

01:16:08.000 Charles, thanks for the call.

01:16:10.000 I appreciate your call, and, um, we're going to talk to his neighbor.

01:16:14.000 And the sheriff's about to be there to go around with a video camera.

01:16:17.000 I just hope they don't charge this poor guy for not having a permit.

01:16:22.000 Yeah.

01:16:25.000 They've already kidnapped his guns.

01:16:30.000 He's talking to his neighbor.

01:16:32.000 Mr. Friday?

01:16:32.000 Yes.

01:16:34.000 Hey, how you doing?

01:16:35.000 Not too bad.

01:16:36.000 We're on the National Radio Show.

01:16:38.000 Why, you live next door to quite a hero, Mr. Gammage.

01:16:42.000 Well, not next door, but not very far away.

01:16:47.000 Well, can you, just in a minute or two, describe what you saw last Friday night?

01:16:53.000 Sure.

01:16:54.000 What happened?

01:16:56.000 Uh, well, uh, I'm sitting watching television there, and my phone rings, and it's Leonard there.

01:17:01.000 He's got me on speed dial there, so, uh, I mean, I answer the phone, and he says, uh, Tom, this is Leonard, I need help, and then he hung up there.

01:17:13.000 And, uh, of course, two nights before that, he had called me, and he had a bad nosebleed, and couldn't get it stopped, and I had to come take him to the hospital, and so I, you know, I didn't know what was wrong.

01:17:26.000 But two nights later, he's beating up this punk.

01:17:28.000 What did this punk look like?

01:17:29.000 Well, he had long, bushy hair.

01:17:30.000 Wild looking there.

01:17:35.000 I'm a conservative there.

01:17:36.000 There, wild looking there.

01:17:41.000 I mean, I'm a conservative there.

01:17:45.000 I've got short hair and all that.

01:17:47.000 There, of course, Colonel, he thought he looked like Charles Manson.

01:17:57.000 And so you pull up and what do you see?

01:17:59.000 When I pull up, there stands the colonel.

01:18:04.000 He's got the kid sitting on the little stone wall there.

01:18:08.000 He's behind him holding a rifle.

01:18:11.000 Well I'm surprised that Leonard didn't shoot him in the chest.

01:18:14.000 Well, when he started saying, I'm going to get you, it started back in the house at him.

01:18:20.000 You know, that would have been my first inclination to... Well, I tell you what, we got a break.

01:18:29.000 Stay with us for about five more minutes.

01:18:31.000 I just want to be able to say bye to you and bye to Leonard.

01:18:34.000 I want to thank you for helping him out, sir.

01:18:36.000 Mr. Friday.

01:18:37.000 And no, he's not from Dragnet, folks.

01:18:40.000 He's the real Mr. Friday.

01:18:42.000 We'll be right back after this quick break.

01:18:45.000 I'm Alex Jones, InfoWars.com.

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01:22:50.000 They like to make it like England, where you've been robbed three times by the same knife-wielding thug, and you shoot where you've been robbed three times by the same knife-wielding thug, and you shoot him and injure him, and then so they sue you and win, and you go Thank you.

01:23:15.000 And they're trying to do that in certain areas of the country.

01:23:18.000 It's just disgusting, and we're talking to Leonard Gambage, Lieutenant Colonel when he retired from the Air Force, a top-flying Tiger in World War II in China against the Japanese.

01:23:29.000 This is the treatment he gets.

01:23:31.000 We're talking to one of his neighbors that Leonard called that night and who was the first to show up there before the police.

01:23:42.000 Talking to Mr. Friday.

01:23:43.000 Mr. Friday, you were making some comments.

01:23:45.000 We were talking during the break.

01:23:48.000 What would you have done if you'd already had a fist fight with somebody and they were about to come back in and they said, I'm going to get you?

01:23:53.000 What would you have done? 0.93

01:23:54.000 Well, I would have done more than shoot at his feet. 0.99

01:24:00.000 I would have probably aimed at his chest. 0.99

01:24:03.000 I would have done all the damage I could have done.

01:24:05.000 I wouldn't want him, you know, I'm 67 years old there, and I'm younger than he is, and I wouldn't want to fight with him there.

01:24:16.000 I would want to end him as quick as I could.

01:24:20.000 I wonder why Mr. Gamage, I mean obviously he's not afraid of doing something like that, I mean going up against those Japanese heroes, but I wonder why he didn't, I guess he just loves life.

01:24:34.000 He made a choice there to take it easy on the guy, as far as I'm concerned.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, but now that punk or his friends can come back, he sounds like the type.

01:24:44.000 Well, I would like to say I hope nothing like that happens there.

01:24:51.000 I mean, the kid had no business back in this area to start with.

01:24:58.000 It's a private lane there to the house.

01:25:02.000 Is the punk, is he still in jail?

01:25:06.000 Uh, I don't know.

01:25:07.000 I think he made Bond, didn't he?

01:25:08.000 Yeah, he done, uh, made Bond.

01:25:10.000 Made Bond!

01:25:11.000 He's off at houses attacking people, and then he's out.

01:25:14.000 Yeah.

01:25:16.000 No, I'd, uh... Do you know his name?

01:25:19.000 Uh, James, uh... Uh, Vander... Vanderscum?

01:25:26.000 Vanderveen.

01:25:28.000 Vanderveen.

01:25:29.000 Yeah.

01:25:29.000 He's 20 years old.

01:25:31.000 Uh, there he's, uh...

01:25:34.000 I think it's on Route 66 up by Chicago, Geneva, Illinois.

01:25:39.000 Oh, that's where he's from?

01:25:40.000 Yes.

01:25:41.000 How far away is that?

01:25:43.000 Oh, that would be a couple hundred miles.

01:25:47.000 Well, I wonder why he was down there?

01:25:48.000 Well, he's a student at Western Illinois University.

01:25:52.000 Oh, down the street.

01:25:54.000 Yeah, Western University is over here about 10-15 blocks away.

01:26:01.000 Well, I think the school should expel him.

01:26:04.000 Colleges in the past would.

01:26:06.000 I'm not sure... He needs some type of punishment.

01:26:09.000 People should call that school.

01:26:11.000 It's Illinois Western?

01:26:13.000 Western Illinois University.

01:26:15.000 Western Illinois University.

01:26:16.000 You need to call the dean and say, this James Van Der Veen or whatever his name is, is a travesty and he needs to be kicked out of college.

01:26:27.000 Well, I don't think they can legally do anything until after he would be convicted.

01:26:32.000 I tell you.

01:26:35.000 Something needs to happen to him.

01:26:39.000 I want to thank you Mr. Friday for being a good neighbor and helping out Leonard Gammage.

01:26:45.000 Does it disgust you to see a veteran, a hero like this being treated like this?

01:26:52.000 He's a good friend and we're proud of his record.

01:26:56.000 We're proud of you helping him out.

01:26:58.000 Now, can I please talk to him again?

01:26:59.000 Yeah, sure.

01:27:06.000 Uh, yeah.

01:27:07.000 Leonard, I'm going to let you go.

01:27:08.000 You've got a great neighbor, Mr. Friday.

01:27:10.000 Yes, he is.

01:27:11.000 You've got my phone number if you need any help.

01:27:13.000 Any closing comments?

01:27:14.000 I appreciate that very much.

01:27:16.000 If anything big develops, I'll call you.

01:27:19.000 Alright.

01:27:19.000 God bless you, sir.

01:27:20.000 Thank you.

01:27:21.000 Thanks again.

01:27:22.000 Take care.

01:27:23.000 Oh boy, let's go back to the calls.

01:27:26.000 Tim in Ohio.

01:27:27.000 Tim, you're on the air.

01:27:28.000 Go ahead.

01:27:29.000 Thanks, Alex.

01:27:29.000 I wanted to echo those words.

01:27:31.000 God bless Leonard and Mr. Friday for helping him out and remind everyone Who's a freedom-loving listener.

01:27:38.000 That resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.

01:27:43.000 Isn't that a disgusting story, though?

01:27:45.000 How they come and took his guns. 0.96

01:27:46.000 It just makes you sick.

01:27:47.000 Well, what we need to do, and it's part of what my organization, Truth, teaching and researching United States treasonous hierarchy, is these type of facts.

01:27:56.000 Have people do a search on any search engine, Erie versus Tompkins, 1938.

01:28:00.000 Learn about straw man.

01:28:03.000 Legal fictions and the color of law from the government style book.

01:28:07.000 And read your blacks law dictionary.

01:28:10.000 It's all done with illusions to get you to sign contracts and give up your rights.

01:28:14.000 Right.

01:28:15.000 And they call that color of law.

01:28:16.000 I came across a person that was selling real estate and this man didn't even know the difference between a land patent and a warranty deed.

01:28:22.000 There's something else you could just enter into a search engine.

01:28:24.000 Land patent versus warranty deed.

01:28:26.000 And you'll find out that you don't really own your property and you've been tricked into volunteering to pay taxes on that property.

01:28:34.000 And don't think an attorney, a lawyer, a counselor, or any type of bar... I hear you.

01:28:38.000 We'll be right back.

01:28:39.000 Stay with us.

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01:32:09.000 Your calls are coming up.

01:32:16.000 Then I want to get into...

01:32:17.000 Opposition wants to be smeared with terror attack, says officials.

01:32:21.000 London Independent, the government was going to carry out terror attacks in Ukraine to blame it on their enemies and now they're still planning it.

01:32:30.000 This is all over mainstream news in Europe.

01:32:33.000 Well, why would the government want to blow something up to then rally the people around the government to say, oh look, we're under attack.

01:32:40.000 It's real simple psychology.

01:32:43.000 It's like somebody beating themselves up and then going to the cops and saying, that person beat me.

01:32:49.000 That's pretty common.

01:32:50.000 Did you know that?

01:32:53.000 Problem, reaction, solution.

01:32:55.000 Frame-ups.

01:32:56.000 It's government's favorite trick to get things done that are unpopular.

01:33:01.000 Whether it was Nero or Hitler or our own government, they do it over and over again. 0.91

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01:38:47.000 I sound a little bit out of it today.

01:38:49.000 Again, I'm running a fever and got a little bit of a cold.

01:38:50.000 It's going around right now.

01:38:53.000 Let's go ahead and I guess up next is Scott in Texas.

01:38:56.000 Scott, thanks for holding.

01:38:58.000 Yeah, sure Alex.

01:38:59.000 Thanks a lot.

01:39:00.000 Yeah, I had basically two questions.

01:39:03.000 I'm a subscriber first.

01:39:05.000 I'm a subscriber to Prison Planet TV.

01:39:10.000 Anyway, I was just wondering if you guys were going to post last Thursday and Friday's broadcast on the audio link, you know, for download.

01:39:21.000 Yes, we post a lot of the good interviews and those are certainly two interviews that need to be put up there.

01:39:27.000 Yeah.

01:39:27.000 They were four different interviews and I'll make sure those get posted.

01:39:30.000 Those were fantastic.

01:39:31.000 I mean, you know, they just, so much info packed in there.

01:39:35.000 My next question was relating to Gulf War illness and, you know, you hear a lot, you heard a lot about it in Gulf War I, which I am a veteran, Of, and then it seems to be it's not really being reported that much.

01:39:52.000 I know you hit on it from time to time, depleted uranium, but when I first started coming down with symptoms of it, through some different research, I found a Dr. Gary Nichols, who was then, this was back in the mid-90s.

01:40:09.000 Yeah, Garth and Kathy Nichols.

01:40:12.000 Yeah, Garth, yeah.

01:40:13.000 And, uh, boy, that's a scandal and a whole book right there.

01:40:18.000 Well, he was one of the top scientists at MD Anderson Cancer Research Facility.

01:40:24.000 And they felt bio-weapons, you name it, in the troops.

01:40:27.000 And the DU's heavy metal on top of the radiation.

01:40:31.000 And the Army's own handbook says it's deadly.

01:40:34.000 And then they have our troops march in and live in barracks that have been bombed with it.

01:40:38.000 Right.

01:40:38.000 And then... It's like saying, you know, basically, You know, march off the edge of a cliff!

01:40:44.000 Right.

01:40:45.000 And then Dr. Nichols, just being a good person and a good American, and I think one of his family members came down with it, he was wanting to get to the root of what was wrong with her because everybody was misdiagnosing her.

01:40:57.000 He goes to all this trouble, finds out that he has to do some advanced lab work, which ultimately turns into gene tracking, which relatively few scientists can do.

01:41:10.000 Because it was a genetically engineered bioweapon.

01:41:13.000 Right, and so anyway, you know, and then you've got him really thinking he's doing something good for the country, which he was, and then come to find out they fire him, and tell him he's got to get out of there.

01:41:25.000 Well, it's like a few weeks ago, one of the head guys at the group that certified the steel at the World Trade Center said, we've done our own internal studies, steel doesn't melt at these temperatures, it's a fraud, and they fire him.

01:41:36.000 Right, right.

01:41:37.000 And this is the, you know, this is the American way.

01:41:40.000 I mean, it's the same thing as Agent Orange and, you know, that whole scandal in Vietnam.

01:41:45.000 Excuse me.

01:41:46.000 But anyway, yeah, so do you think, I was just wanting to say, I was thinking that would be a really, you know, interesting interview.

01:41:54.000 You know, I've had Garth Nichols on before, six years ago.

01:41:58.000 I need to have him back on.

01:41:59.000 Thanks for the call.

01:41:59.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:42:00.000 I appreciate you.

01:42:02.000 Speaking of drugs and things, you know, they admit Vioxx makes your heart disintegrate, basically.

01:42:07.000 Now, five other drugs have been pulled.

01:42:10.000 Well, they know Ritalin and Prozac are killing children en masse.

01:42:13.000 Far worse.

01:42:14.000 I mean, bad for hearts, brains, psychology, everything.

01:42:17.000 They don't stop that.

01:42:20.000 Drugmaker Rebuff called to monitor users.

01:42:23.000 Lawsuits say Accutane caused birth defects, depression and deaths.

01:42:29.000 So now all this stuff's coming out with different drugs.

01:42:31.000 I think they're allowing this out strategically.

01:42:34.000 I've noticed it's key drug companies being attacked.

01:42:36.000 I think this is economic warfare by one global group against another.

01:42:40.000 Bottom line, most of these drugs are deadly, folks.

01:42:42.000 They're toxins.

01:42:43.000 They're not natural.

01:42:47.000 So just another thing that they told you was great.

01:42:50.000 But the same media will tell you that mercury is good for your brain.

01:42:53.000 Good for your children.

01:42:55.000 It's just unbelievable.

01:42:58.000 Thanks for the call, Scott.

01:43:00.000 Good points.

01:43:01.000 I'll try to get him back on.

01:43:03.000 Darren in Colorado.

01:43:04.000 Welcome.

01:43:05.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:43:06.000 It's a real privilege to be with you today.

01:43:08.000 Good day to you.

01:43:08.000 No, it's a privilege to talk to you.

01:43:09.000 Go ahead.

01:43:11.000 I just want people to know that these men that served in World War II, they're from a whole different generation.

01:43:17.000 They're good men.

01:43:18.000 They're principled men.

01:43:19.000 My grandpa was a World War II veteran, and he died last year.

01:43:25.000 You know, when he was 20 years old, he was laying bleeding on the beaches of Normandy.

01:43:30.000 Purple heart, two bronze stars.

01:43:32.000 I mean, these men have paid their dues.

01:43:36.000 These men are from another era.

01:43:37.000 I mean, my grandpa had to park way far away from a football game one time and had to walk way clear out to his car when it was over with.

01:43:46.000 There's two young fellas leaning against the door, and they wouldn't move when he approached the door to get in.

01:43:52.000 And he said, look, he said, One of you might get me, but I'm taking one of you with me.

01:43:58.000 And they walked away.

01:43:59.000 In regards to this incident with the shooting, I had a friend of mine, his sister was home alone, and a man she had only met one time came pounding belligerents, screaming belligerents, pounding on the door, foaming at the mouth, a big man, She'd only met him once through some other people and didn't know why he was there.

01:44:21.000 She told him not to come in, go away.

01:44:24.000 He ripped the door off the hinges.

01:44:26.000 He went through two doors.

01:44:27.000 And by the time he did that, I'd be in a prone position aimed straight at his chest. 0.98

01:44:33.000 And I'd fire to the chest four times and put a couple into the head. 0.97

01:44:36.000 Well, now this is a big man. 0.99

01:44:37.000 He's foaming at the mouth.

01:44:38.000 He's screaming belligerence.

01:44:40.000 And of course these women don't have guns. 1.00

01:44:42.000 She had a gun. 0.96

01:44:43.000 Good!

01:44:43.000 Good.

01:44:44.000 Most women don't. 1.00

01:44:44.000 They need a gun. 1.00

01:44:45.000 She had a .22 pistol.

01:44:47.000 She had plenty of time to get it ready.

01:44:48.000 When he finally got through that second door, she put six slugs in him. 1.00

01:44:52.000 And all it did was make him mad.

01:44:55.000 All it did was make him mad.

01:44:56.000 That's why you need a .357.

01:44:57.000 The reason I say a .357 is, it's a simple gun, it's not going to jam on you, and you've got six shots, and if you're half-decent with it, you're not going to miss.

01:45:08.000 And the round is at close range, is semi-high velocity, causes massive, massive damage.

01:45:18.000 You shoot somebody a couple times in the chest with that, they're not going to be living very long. 0.55

01:45:21.000 You know, she ran into the bedroom and locked herself in there, and he ripped that door off the hinges with six slugs in his torso. 0.87

01:45:29.000 He was just fired up, and she reloaded. 0.91

01:45:34.000 He was probably on steroids.

01:45:36.000 He was on something.

01:45:37.000 That later came out that he was on something.

01:45:39.000 But he ripped that door free from the frame, and she let six more slugs fly. 1.00

01:45:44.000 And he finally did go down.

01:45:47.000 And he finally did die.

01:45:49.000 But they interrogated her for hours!

01:45:52.000 They didn't let her sleep, they took her in, confiscated her gun, and treated her like some kind of... 0.76

01:45:59.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:46:00.000 Federal criminals.

01:46:00.000 That's because the government wants a monopoly on force and defense, so we beg for more and more surveillance and control.

01:46:06.000 They hate it when we defend ourselves.

01:46:09.000 Now, not the average cop, though that's starting to change.

01:46:11.000 A lot of them don't like it now as well.

01:46:13.000 Used to be 90%.

01:46:14.000 Now we're losing that number.

01:46:15.000 Going down to about 80% in major polls believe you should be able to defend yourself.

01:46:18.000 But the head cops, the ones that get the federal money, they can't stand it when we defend ourselves.

01:46:24.000 My grandpa, a World War II veteran, You know, he would not have curled up in a fetal position.

01:46:30.000 If you came into his house and threatened him with bodily harm, he would not have crawled under his bed or looked for a phone so he could call somebody to do his dirty work for him.

01:46:41.000 He would have rose up and stood up for his own well-being.

01:46:46.000 He wouldn't have cried out for somebody else to do it for him.

01:46:50.000 No, I hear you, Darren, and God bless you.

01:46:53.000 And in just a few years, all these vets are going to be gone.

01:46:58.000 We have a new documentary about them.

01:47:01.000 Just to interview the old folks, because they remember when Roosevelt took all the gold and gave his paper money back.

01:47:05.000 It was amazing.

01:47:06.000 Thanks for the call, Darren.

01:47:08.000 That's a really good point that he raises, but a lot of women and families don't own guns because they've never touched them.

01:47:16.000 And they're scared to death of them because of the media.

01:47:18.000 They don't understand.

01:47:18.000 They can go take a couple gun lessons, shoot the firearms, learn how safe they are, have an instant access pistol safe, bolted, say, inside a cabinet, with an access code.

01:47:30.000 You can get in about a second and a half, but your child could sit there for five hours, punching buttons, and is never going to get in.

01:47:38.000 And then you have that, and that's what I've got in my house.

01:47:41.000 I've got two instant access pistol safes.

01:47:44.000 And anybody ever comes in my house, I mean, they're dead!

01:47:49.000 You bust in my house and say I'm gonna get you, well I'm gonna get you!

01:47:53.000 And that's just common sense, folks!

01:47:55.000 Any mammal out there will defend itself in its own nest.

01:48:00.000 Only Americans, only people in China and Russia, enslaved creatures, have had that driven out of their instincts.

01:48:08.000 Good points, Darren.

01:48:09.000 Roger in Pennsylvania.

01:48:11.000 Roger, go ahead.

01:48:12.000 Yeah, thanks Alex.

01:48:13.000 I guess there's a pretty good chance that Leonard has knowledge and experience way beyond nostalgia to bring him back on the Flying Tigers, General Chennault, etc.

01:48:23.000 And I haven't heard actually in years, and it wasn't explicitly stated, it needs to be because you have a lot of new listeners and such.

01:48:31.000 But, unfortunately, unless you live in one of the probably all-too-few locales or states that forbid tortious lawsuits from criminals, then they really strip you of the discretion if you're going to shoot.

01:48:46.000 You really have to kill the person, unfortunately.

01:48:48.000 I've had a lot of police tell me that. 0.99

01:48:50.000 You really have to kill the person, or else... I mean, what if Leonard wants to keep his house, etc.?

01:48:57.000 It might have been foolhardy not to kill the guy, unfortunately. 0.90

01:49:03.000 Well, I know this.

01:49:03.000 I mean, he fist fought the guy, then gets his gun and tells the guy to leave.

01:49:09.000 He doesn't leave.

01:49:09.000 He shoots at his feet.

01:49:11.000 I mean, boy!

01:49:12.000 I mean, what if the guy would have wrestled the gun away from him, Roger?

01:49:17.000 Yeah, well, that too.

01:49:18.000 But, you know, there could be a situation where you may know that it's safe not to kill the person, but you still have to kill them, unfortunately, to avoid the tortious lawsuit.

01:49:29.000 God bless y'all.

01:49:30.000 Thanks.

01:49:31.000 And look, I'm not bloodthirsty.

01:49:32.000 If I saw somebody out stealing my car, the car ain't worth it.

01:49:37.000 I wouldn't even go out there.

01:49:38.000 I'd just call the police and let them steal the car. 1.00

01:49:40.000 But you come in my house, I am going to kill you. 1.00

01:49:45.000 It's common sense. 1.00

01:49:47.000 We'll be right back.

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01:53:07.000 Opposition wants to be smeared with terror attacks as official London Independent.

01:53:14.000 Ukraine's embattled government is ready to stage fake terror attacks to destabilize the country and distract the opposition Ahead of a return of the presidential vote, a senior government source has told The Independent, discredit the opposition.

01:53:32.000 The official who works for the government of the Moscow-backed candidate said current Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych said one of the plans is to blow up a pipeline and blame it on the opposition supporters.

01:53:48.000 Ukraine is the key transit country for Russian gas supplies to the West.

01:53:54.000 And it says that Mr. Yankovich's backers fear the prospect of their candidate losing to Viktor Yuskovov and are ready to plunge the country into economic chaos, the source revealed.

01:54:10.000 They are planning to use criminals, plain bandits, That they have a holdover.

01:54:17.000 The source said that a senior member of the government had been tasked with overseeing the terror attacks.

01:54:23.000 Again, this is exactly what Putin's been caught doing.

01:54:25.000 In a fourth apartment building in 1999 to blame it on foreign enemies.

01:54:29.000 Moscow police were staking out apartment buildings and actually caught FSB planting bombs, caught them with the hydrogen bombs, putting them on the columns.

01:54:40.000 Putin ordered them released.

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01:54:44.000 A fortnight of peaceful demonstrations by supporters of Yushchenko have brought the capital Kiev and other cities to a standstill.

01:54:55.000 They accused the government of massive electoral fraud in a presidential election on the 21st of November.

01:55:01.000 The opposition claims were backed up by Western governments and the election monitors who reported that intimidation, bribery, and falsification were used to hand victory to him.

01:55:12.000 By the way, we now have articles Where computer programmers have gone public and said, I was ordered by the Republicans in Florida to create a vote fraud system.

01:55:21.000 I was ordered... I mean, there's just masses of these reports coming out here, but you never really hear the details of it on the nightly news.

01:55:27.000 It's in a newspaper here, a newspaper there.

01:55:31.000 Ukraine's Supreme Court accepted opposition claims last Friday, and cancelled the results of the election, ordering a fresh ballot for the 26th of December.

01:55:42.000 There has already been a run on banks and a black market money changers are returning to the streets with far higher dollar and euro exchange rates.

01:55:53.000 The government has already suggested that it will not be able to pay pensions and government salaries in December, although the opposition claims there are adequate reserves to pay everything.

01:56:03.000 Before the election, members of the police said that they were being ordered to carry out bombings to blame it on opposition.

01:56:11.000 See, what does the establishment do when their own people start blowing the whistle?

01:56:15.000 And next hour, I'll get into the articles here in the U.S.

01:56:19.000 where people are blowing the whistle saying, look, we've been ordered to carry out frauds in Florida, Ohio, and other states.

01:56:25.000 Clearly those frauds took place, but notice Kerry isn't talking about it.

01:56:29.000 Kerry isn't disputing because it was rigged at that level as well.

01:56:34.000 See, if you're going to rig the election, you've got to have the candidates rigged as well, or one of them might dispute it.

01:56:39.000 Again, we're not saying Kerry's going to save you.

01:56:41.000 We're just reporting the clear facts here.

01:56:45.000 Let's take a call.

01:56:48.000 Well, we've got a break.

01:56:49.000 We'll end this hour and then we'll go back to Steve and Manuel and many others that are holding.

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01:57:08.000 Your call's a ton of news, including the plunging dollar, ex-Dazi spy chief Marcus Wolfe hired by Homeland Security, new developments there, OPEC nation seen cutting worldwide deposits in dollars.

01:57:24.000 Big news coming up in the third hour.

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01:58:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

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01:58:17.000 Thanks for joining us.

01:58:18.000 In the first hour, into the second hour, we had an 87-year-old World War II vet, one of the commanders of the Flying Tigers in China for 20 months, Leonard Gammage.

01:58:32.000 He was attacked at his home.

01:58:35.000 Fisk fought the guy for over 10 minutes, then got to his gun and shot the person in the foot because he didn't want to kill him.

01:58:41.000 The police came and confiscated his guns and now the punk has gotten a lawyer to sue the old man.

01:58:46.000 But an 87-year-old man beat this 20-year-old punk up.

01:58:53.000 So that's a very interesting story there.

01:58:57.000 More on that coming up.

01:59:00.000 There's so much other news here.

01:59:03.000 Extasi chief says Marcus Wolfe hired by Homeland Security.

01:59:09.000 Again, Extasi spy chief says Marcus Wolfe hired by Homeland Security.

01:59:13.000 Iranians think Al Jazeera is a psyops operation.

01:59:16.000 US dollar plunges even further.

01:59:19.000 That's just some of the news that we're going to be covering in this hour.

01:59:25.000 Remember that NFL football player that got killed in Afghanistan?

01:59:30.000 Turns out he was killed by a friendly fire in the media and the government.

01:59:34.000 Consciously created a false story for propaganda purposes just like Private Lynch.

01:59:39.000 He told you it was a quote, fable.

01:59:42.000 Made up.

01:59:43.000 Not true.

01:59:45.000 That's your government.

01:59:47.000 And I'm not belittling the death of this gentleman.

01:59:49.000 I mean, he certainly gave up a lot in the NFL and went to war.

01:59:53.000 But I talked about how he was very misguided.

01:59:56.000 So the globalists could get some poppies and some oil.

02:00:00.000 When they put the Taliban and Al-Qaeda into control, and then flew them out to safety to begin with, in the middle of the war, that was all documented.

02:00:08.000 Well, it turns out that was a fake story as well.

02:00:10.000 Our own government killed him.

02:00:13.000 A bunch of untrained rangers killed him.

02:00:17.000 And this is even in the Washington Post now, but it always comes out too little too late.

02:00:21.000 So it's pretty sad.

02:00:23.000 We'll cover that as well.

02:00:25.000 Right now, let's talk to Steve In Ohio, Steve here on the air, go ahead.

02:00:30.000 How are you doing, Alex?

02:00:31.000 Pretty good.

02:00:32.000 Yeah, Alex, I wanted to say something about the last couple callers talking about, you know, how, like, shooting somebody and protecting yourself.

02:00:38.000 The system is systematically designed to protect people so that you are at the mercy of the system.

02:00:45.000 There's no other reason for it.

02:00:46.000 Because for years, I've been a victim of a crime myself.

02:00:49.000 I was a victim of a robbery.

02:00:51.000 And I can honestly tell you that the system is designed to protect those that perpetrate the crimes, not people like that are trying to defend their property.

02:00:59.000 And it's designed for the system itself to commit crimes against innocent people and feed off of them.

02:01:05.000 Well yeah, I mean, look at the fact that most police officers have 100 IQs. 1.00

02:01:10.000 I mean, every time I run into a police officer, you can just feel the stupidity emanate from a lot of them. 1.00

02:01:16.000 They're not very intelligent people, so When they take orders from their superiors, all they're doing is just doing what they're told. 1.00

02:01:24.000 So if they're told, don't harass that methamphetamine biker, they'll not do it. 0.70

02:01:28.000 But then they'll harass an old lady that, oh, we want your DNA. 1.00

02:01:33.000 Well, let me say this.

02:01:34.000 A lot of police are smart.

02:01:36.000 The problem is that a lot of cities have unofficial rules.

02:01:40.000 Some have official rules.

02:01:43.000 Dozens that I know of, that if you have over 100 IQ, you cannot be hired.

02:01:47.000 An internal document showed it's because they're too smart.

02:01:50.000 They'll see what they're part of, and it's true. 0.77

02:01:52.000 They want automatons.

02:01:55.000 The sad thing about it is that these automatons are the people that are going to be smashing our skulls in.

02:02:00.000 I mean, I hate to say it, but Until we can get some police officers with 120 IQs, then I don't know what else to say.

02:02:07.000 Well, 100 is too high.

02:02:08.000 I don't know what else to say, but also...

02:02:08.000 They try to find them with 90 IQs.

02:02:10.000 Well, 100 is too high. 0.99

02:02:12.000 They try to find them with 90 IQs, 15 points lower, retarded folks. 1.00

02:02:18.000 Well, yeah, 100 is the average IQ, but it seems that the 100 IQ is what gets...

02:02:23.000 Yeah. 0.90

02:02:24.000 And then, but just 15, 20 points lower, you're dealing with somebody who's mildly retarded. 1.00

02:02:29.000 70 is retarded. 0.99

02:02:31.000 Yeah. 0.62

02:02:32.000 By the way, I was going to say also, what do you think about this PSYOP thing with this food scare?

02:02:36.000 What's going on with this big food scan?

02:02:39.000 They're saying now that their food's going to be poisoned.

02:02:41.000 What's going on here?

02:02:42.000 Well, come back and we'll talk about it.

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02:06:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:06:06.000 In Iowa, a few weeks ago, Homeland Security came out and arrested a Gulf War I veteran, a doctor. .

02:06:18.000 They said he complained too much.

02:06:20.000 He didn't threaten anybody, but complaining is illegal.

02:06:22.000 And it was actually in the newspaper, Quad City Times, so we're arresting him.

02:06:27.000 They said Homeland Security is over everything.

02:06:29.000 Infrastructure protection.

02:06:31.000 When they went out and told the woman with no court order, take those Rubik's Cubes off your shelf, they didn't have an order that the cubes weren't illegal, weren't illegal knockoffs.

02:06:41.000 The media, AP, called and found out that they were legal.

02:06:44.000 They just told her, we don't care.

02:06:46.000 We are the law.

02:06:47.000 And she said, aren't you dealing with terrorism?

02:06:51.000 No, no, no.

02:06:52.000 We're over infrastructure protection, the economy, everything.

02:06:55.000 And so what Homeland Security is going to do is, through your new national ID card, that they're about to pass, by the way.

02:07:01.000 It's in session right now.

02:07:03.000 Through your national ID card, they will index with all these different databases.

02:07:09.000 It'll be just like when you fly.

02:07:10.000 You don't know why you're on the list.

02:07:14.000 Won't be able to have a job.

02:07:15.000 You'll be under restrictions.

02:07:17.000 They're going to have checkpoints, hardened checkpoints on the roads.

02:07:21.000 And they need scares to get this going as the excuse.

02:07:25.000 So they're telling us terrorists are about to hit the food.

02:07:28.000 Terrorists are about to hit the trains.

02:07:30.000 Terrorists are about to hit the buses.

02:07:32.000 Terrorists are about to hit the bridges.

02:07:33.000 Terrorists are about to hit any building over three stories, so now you've all got to have ID cards with RFID that scan you before you get in the building.

02:07:41.000 And by the way, did I mention I'm Rudolph Giuliani, and I happen to manage the company that sells you this system that the government's telling you you've got to have now.

02:07:50.000 And by the way, I'm Bernard Carrick, and I'm in the company too, and you've got to buy from us.

02:07:55.000 It's the law.

02:07:56.000 Buy from me.

02:07:57.000 I'm the government.

02:07:58.000 I'm not only Homeland Security Chief, I also own the company!

02:08:01.000 You know, this is it!

02:08:03.000 So, Caller, I don't know which specific article you're talking about.

02:08:05.000 There's lots of fear-mongering going on about how everything's going to be attacked in a minute, but the border's got to stay wide open, but you're going to have a microscope looking at you and your family.

02:08:18.000 What particularly were you talking about?

02:08:20.000 On CNN, all day yesterday, they had non- and I tape most of it, non-stop programs on the Food Scare.

02:08:26.000 They're saying that That there's this scare that terrorists are going to start poisoning the food.

02:08:31.000 And I'm asking, why all of a sudden are they bringing this up, unless they're planning something very nasty?

02:08:37.000 While they're making the announcement that Homeland Security is going to have to pre-screen you if you work in any agricultural job, and along with that comes all the regulation and inspections.

02:08:48.000 Right.

02:08:49.000 As if they could ever stop Al-Cieda from doing anything. 0.96

02:08:52.000 Well, I mean, it just seems so opportune that they're doing it now.

02:08:55.000 But, I mean, do you think that the American people will continue to put up with all this boy-crying wolf?

02:09:01.000 I mean, this is getting to be insane.

02:09:04.000 What's going to happen is we're going to start ignoring it and fighting against it, throwing the Patriot Act out of cities and states, then the globalists are going to turn a city into a molten slag heap and go, you're the ones that let this happen, you held us back from saving you, now we're taking all your rights!

02:09:20.000 Let me ask you one question, Alex.

02:09:21.000 How would they implement this thing?

02:09:23.000 When you were on that Please Stay Free video, you were being interviewed on that one show.

02:09:28.000 How would they go about implementing this police state?

02:09:31.000 What would be the catalyst that would do it?

02:09:33.000 What would be the process?

02:09:34.000 Well, they said, under infrastructure protection, they shift over to the big college degrees, big homeland security, and they hire all these people, and they federalize local police, and everything's a federal terror matter.

02:09:47.000 Rubik's cubes, veterans complaining, pot dealing, speeding, I've got cases of that, bid rigging, just everything is a terror act.

02:09:58.000 Correct, and then everybody's in a database to have a job.

02:10:01.000 You've got to be in good standing with them, and if you swipe the ID card and it says you're bad, you don't get a job.

02:10:06.000 Okay, hypothetically, let me say this last thing.

02:10:09.000 What about if people decided to just get off the grid system and live off the land, work for food?

02:10:14.000 In other words... Well, tens of millions of people have done that, and that's why they're panicking.

02:10:19.000 Right.

02:10:19.000 So in other words, let's say I got tired of being taxed to death and I decided I'm just going to drop out.

02:10:23.000 I'm going to get in my car, work for food and labor, and just live from town to town.

02:10:27.000 They won't let you drive your car without all the stickers.

02:10:30.000 Well, okay, but let's say that you pay your tags or whatever.

02:10:32.000 Literally, you could get a system of tens of millions of people that might decide to drive off.

02:10:37.000 That is happening, and that's why any type of barter or underground economy in Patriot Act I can be listed as terrorism.

02:10:45.000 So, in other words, the first infraction you commit that you think is a misdemeanor is going to be considered terrorism under Patriot Act?

02:10:52.000 Yes.

02:10:53.000 That is.

02:10:54.000 Well then look look social engineering is hard to implement They're going to have big problems.

02:11:00.000 Thanks for the call.

02:11:01.000 Thank you.

02:11:02.000 Look, I saw Ridge two and a half years ago for two hours on C-SPAN lay all this out.

02:11:02.000 Really good points.

02:11:10.000 You know, it's like I got up on air and I go, they're going to put transponders in your car and satellite boxes, and when you don't want to do that, they'll go, okay, we'll just read your license plate with cameras and tax you that way.

02:11:21.000 Now it's going in.

02:11:22.000 Now they're proposing it.

02:11:23.000 Some states are starting to do it.

02:11:26.000 New York's trying, Oregon, California, Texas.

02:11:30.000 This is happening.

02:11:33.000 I know it sounded crazy five years ago as I held the document up on TV, as I posted it, as I warned you.

02:11:39.000 All I do is report the news.

02:11:41.000 You go, well wait, is the media lying?

02:11:44.000 No, the truth is in the back of the news wire.

02:11:47.000 The truth is in the back of the newspaper.

02:11:49.000 It's just that you've got to wade through all of it.

02:11:52.000 The truth is in government press releases and government policy reports and declassified documents.

02:11:58.000 That's what I read.

02:11:59.000 That's what I study.

02:12:02.000 Life is going to be a living hell.

02:12:04.000 And as the economy gets worse and worse, the only real jobs are going to be in law enforcement and security.

02:12:11.000 Or in tattletale squads.

02:12:13.000 Or in manufacturing these systems.

02:12:15.000 And so the yuppies are all going to do whatever it takes to be in good favor with that, to be part of it.

02:12:22.000 So see, we're shifting out of the free market into a fascistic slash social system where they socialize our wealth and hand it over to select corporations that become the government.

02:12:32.000 And the left and right at the grassroots can't figure out this paradigm because they were never taught the real paradigm of mercantilism.

02:12:39.000 And mercantilism is not free market, folks.

02:12:42.000 It is the system of economic serfdom within a free trade limited grid within the nobles and their allied syndicates.

02:12:51.000 I suggest you get an encyclopedia out and research mercantilism.

02:12:56.000 Then look up feudalism and serfdom.

02:13:00.000 Then add to that a high-tech overlay and you've got what they're building!

02:13:07.000 Okay?

02:13:09.000 And it is really, really bad news.

02:13:14.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Manuel in Pennsylvania.

02:13:17.000 Manuel, welcome.

02:13:18.000 Thank you.

02:13:20.000 All politics are local, and that is what we all need to understand.

02:13:24.000 And also, time is of the essence.

02:13:26.000 We all must become activists now, because tomorrow may be a day too late.

02:13:31.000 Now, you look at the situation in this town, let me give a warning to everyone out there, maybe new listeners.

02:13:36.000 Takeover is festering in a town near you, most likely right under your nose.

02:13:41.000 Here now they want to take over our access channel.

02:13:44.000 But first, I want to tell you why.

02:13:45.000 Because we've had this new police commissioner aligned with our mayor, which every time Either one's name appears in the newspaper.

02:13:52.000 The other one's name is right behind it.

02:13:54.000 They've now passed programs such as what they conveniently and cutely called Tax Trespass Affidavit Program.

02:14:01.000 Where they got folks literally signing their rights away and giving the cops free reign on their property.

02:14:06.000 And in our own city newsletter put out by the Mailbox.

02:14:08.000 Well, we have that here in Austin.

02:14:11.000 If you get arrested for running a red light or not paying parking tickets, we've done reports on this.

02:14:17.000 It's been on local news.

02:14:19.000 Let me finish.

02:14:20.000 They have you sign away all your rights, but now why do they want to get rid of AXS TV?

02:14:26.000 Oh, check it out.

02:14:27.000 The Trespass Affidavit program is sort of exactly what you're saying, but a different tilt.

02:14:32.000 This deals with property owners now.

02:14:35.000 What they're doing is Actually telling the people, you're going to give us the names of the tenants that live in your apartment dwelling or your apartment building.

02:14:43.000 And we'll come in, and we'll, quote, check the hallways of, quote, the specific zone, and that means that once they get a call from their little snitch number, they'll just come kick down your door, and here goes, uh... Well, sir, in Illinois, they have it in some towns where they come into your house, quote, making sure you don't have too many people living there, even if it's your own home, and they don't even have warrants.

02:15:04.000 You just look up at your bed at 5 a.m.

02:15:06.000 and there's cops above you, Now they're doing it in Las Vegas now, everywhere!

02:15:10.000 That, well, that's here.

02:15:11.000 That's going on here.

02:15:12.000 And by the way, that article was laced with military terminology.

02:15:16.000 And just as Charles said... About how they're going to deal with the civilians?

02:15:19.000 Oh, check it out!

02:15:20.000 Our Community Services Coordinator is now the Community Services Commander!

02:15:25.000 Ah!

02:15:25.000 And listen to this!

02:15:26.000 Woo! 0.99

02:15:27.000 Sounds authoritative!

02:15:28.000 So somebody went on AXS TV and criticized it.

02:15:30.000 Hey, check it out!

02:15:31.000 So now they're shutting it down.

02:15:32.000 I've been writing up letters and I've been trying to pass out to the people.

02:15:35.000 I typed up a paper warning the people.

02:15:38.000 Brought out the article that said, hey, you heard the commissioner say, you heard the mayor say it.

02:15:41.000 They think it's great!

02:15:42.000 And let me tell you about the Access Channel.

02:15:44.000 I mean, timing is just, that's why I feel, I literally feel... Yeah, all over the country they're shutting Access TV down, but go ahead and finish up.

02:15:50.000 Yeah, I hate feeling like the devil wanted, and you know what?

02:15:53.000 I sat here on my behind, instead of going down to that Access Channel, and when I talked to the former president of our Access Channel, it was too late!

02:15:59.000 He was out. 0.81

02:16:00.000 That was gonna be my quick way in.

02:16:02.000 Or so I thought, well now the government Rumors abound, and I will be at City Council meeting tonight.

02:16:07.000 Rumors abound that, in our local newspaper, some fear that the government will take over the Access Channel.

02:16:13.000 And of course, the Mayor says, absolute nonsense, but guess what?

02:16:16.000 City Council says they will be...

02:16:18.000 Accepting public comment.

02:16:19.000 Well, sir, you just go down and get the rule book and sign up.

02:16:21.000 They can't keep you from getting on there.

02:16:23.000 Well, check it out.

02:16:24.000 Supposedly, according to the mayor, and this is in the same article, he says that's absolute nonsense.

02:16:29.000 So why in the world would the head of the city council say we're accepting public comment on the issue?

02:16:34.000 See, it's all a big trick.

02:16:35.000 I know.

02:16:36.000 I hear you.

02:16:36.000 Thanks for the call.

02:16:38.000 Look, it's the same thing everywhere.

02:16:40.000 They're buying up all the radio stations.

02:16:42.000 They're shutting all the access stations down.

02:16:44.000 Now, Tenet and the head of CENTCOM and all these people are saying, we're going to start regulating speech on the Internet.

02:16:51.000 George Bush signed it where we're going to have Internet taxation of 18% starting in 07.

02:16:57.000 They grandfather it out and then they bill it as saving the Internet.

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02:22:06.000 Opposition was to be smeared with terror attacks, say officials.

02:22:12.000 Ukraine's embattled government is ready to stage fake terror attacks to destabilize the country and discredit the opposition ahead of the return of the presidential vote a senior government source has told The Independent.

02:22:26.000 And that's exactly the kind of stuff that Putin has been caught pulling in the past.

02:22:34.000 Here's another article.

02:22:36.000 Ex-Dazi spy chief Marcus Wolf hired by Homeland Security.

02:22:42.000 We've confirmed that they have hired other former KGB chiefs in the past, but this is an all-time low if it's true.

02:22:48.000 I have no doubt that it's not true, because I've talked to some of the internal sources, and I can't really get much further than that, but it is a congressman.

02:22:58.000 Now, former East German chief, ex-Dazi spy chief, Marcus Wolff, hired by Homeland Security, Political analyst Al Martin, who has in the past proven accurate in getting ahead of the news curve, is reporting that Homeland Security has hired former Stasi head, the Silver Fox, Marcus Wolff. 0.57

02:23:15.000 Martin states, Wolff was the man that effectively built the East German state intelligence operation, Internal Directorate.

02:23:22.000 Martin continues, he turned half the population into informants.

02:23:26.000 That is his specialty.

02:23:27.000 It was actually one in ten.

02:23:29.000 is taking a population, constructing the various state divisions, mechanisms of control, in order to organize informants within the population.

02:23:38.000 That is his real specialty and he is precisely, as Primakov has intimated, why Wolf is being brought in.

02:23:46.000 The regime knows that once all of Patriot 2 is lobbed, and they begin working with Patriot 3, they will have then begun to establish the internal mechanism to coordinate And we'll get to more of this later.

02:23:57.000 a system of informants.

02:23:59.000 Wolf's specialty was to turn East Germany into the greatest and most efficient informant state ever created. 0.82

02:24:05.000 On a radio appearance, earlier today, Martin stated that the admission that Wolf would be hired was made in BBC radio interview given by the former head of the KGB, General Krimakov.

02:24:17.000 And we'll get to more of this later.

02:24:20.000 And on top of that, I have articles here.

02:24:26.000 This is out of Newsmax.

02:24:28.000 Congressional negotiators reach deal on intelligence bill.

02:24:32.000 Now what's in the intelligence bill?

02:24:35.000 Patriot Act 2, the parts that haven't passed, the national ID card, the super national ID card, and funding for total information awareness.

02:24:45.000 Congressional negotiators reach deal on intelligence bill.

02:24:50.000 I need to get Congressman Paul back on about this.

02:24:52.000 Congressional negotiators reached a deal Monday with the chief House Republican opponent of legislation revamping the nation's intelligence agencies, clearing the way for a final vote a GOP leader said.

02:25:04.000 Remember, three weeks ago they passed, or two and a half weeks ago they passed, the New Freedom Initiative.

02:25:12.000 So this stuff's happening.

02:25:13.000 The development came as President Bush pressed Congress for swift action, saying the legislation was important for the security of our country.

02:25:20.000 No, controlling our border is, and controlling the terrorists that work for you.

02:25:25.000 Representative Deborah Price, Republican Ohio, Chairman of the House Republican Conference, said House Armed Services Chairman Duncan Hunter struck a deal with Senate and House negotiators that will remove his objections to the bill.

02:25:39.000 House Speaker Dennis Hafter had refused to move the legislation before Thanksgiving because of objections to GOP chairmen such as Hunter and House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner.

02:25:50.000 Sensenbrenner rejected and remained opposed to the bill, but House Republicans will likely meet Tuesday to discuss moving forward, Price said.

02:26:01.000 And they say they're very close to getting it changed.

02:26:04.000 The Democrats are optimistic with working with Bush.

02:26:06.000 They just love the police state.

02:26:09.000 This is so scary.

02:26:15.000 And I'm trying to read over the rest of this.

02:26:17.000 We're going to look at the debates over the amount of money not over not having a national ID card or Patriot Act 2, which is the most nightmarish piece of legislation I have ever seen.

02:26:17.000 It's lengthy.

02:26:33.000 Meanwhile, they're not just Reportedly hiring former Stasi chiefs to help set things up, FBI strikes deal with Russia's FSB in the fight against terrorism.

02:26:46.000 Same people that like to blow up buildings and blame it on their enemies.

02:26:49.000 They're working together.

02:26:51.000 The FBI and Russia's FSB, formerly known as KGB, have struck a deal in the fight against international terrorism, signing a historic memorandum yesterday.

02:26:59.000 FSB Director, Nikolai Partzharev, Met with FBI head Robert Mueller who was on a visit to Moscow to sign the deal which draws out plans for cooperation between the two security bodies, the Russian information agency Novostok reported.

02:27:19.000 Oh boy, we'll finish up with this and a bunch of other news and take your calls on the other side of this quick break.

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02:30:00.000 Why else would the U.S.

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02:30:43.000 I love America.

02:31:04.000 I love my family.

02:31:05.000 I love God, first and foremost.

02:31:08.000 And I know we've got a corrupt elite running things who've been caught thousands of times, lying on purpose, doing horrible things, things that are almost unimaginable to people that have never, you know, thought about this type of stuff.

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02:31:33.000 They don't care.

02:31:34.000 You better get informed and get involved.

02:31:36.000 David and Spencer and Mike and Chris and John and others, your calls are coming up.

02:31:41.000 Have we even had a single female caller today?

02:31:45.000 Some days we get a lot of female callers, some days we don't.

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02:31:53.000 I get like 50-50 though, emails.

02:31:54.000 Women email me a lot. 1.00

02:31:56.000 They call some, but I'd say 25% of our callers are women. 0.92

02:32:01.000 Not today though, it's 100% men.

02:32:03.000 that they call some, but I'd say 25% of our callers are women.

02:32:06.000 Not today, though.

02:32:07.000 It's 100% men. 0.98

02:32:08.000 Your calls are coming up.

02:32:12.000 Let me go through some more news here.

02:32:14.000 Here's some really important financial and election news as well.

02:32:19.000 Just briefly, I would encourage every single one of you out there to grab a pen and paper right now.

02:32:25.000 Couple different things.

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02:32:33.000 $2,000 for the best TV spot.

02:32:36.000 60 or 30 seconds.

02:32:36.000 $1,000 for the best radio spot.

02:32:39.000 And I've just gotten a few of these in.

02:32:41.000 I've gotten thousands of emails about other subjects.

02:32:44.000 I don't know.

02:32:45.000 Last time I checked, four or five days ago, there was over six million visitors to the website since we launched it two weeks ago.

02:32:53.000 Maybe I haven't put it up there prominent enough about the contest, but you can mail to 3001 South Lamar, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78704.

02:33:00.000 South Lamar, Suite 100, Austin, Texas, 78704, the video or the audio spot.

02:33:08.000 And if you've got it online, you can send me a link to it online or to the audio.

02:33:14.000 Hmm.

02:33:15.000 Thank you.

02:33:17.000 But keep sending it until you get a response.

02:33:19.000 We do read all the email, but it's hard.

02:33:20.000 It's a big job.

02:33:21.000 We're like three people to do it.

02:33:24.000 And I was going to have it December 1st, but I want to give people more time.

02:33:28.000 I guess the holiday people are so busy.

02:33:31.000 Back it out to December 15th.

02:33:32.000 I mean, excuse me, not December 1st.

02:33:35.000 January 1st.

02:33:37.000 But we might back it up to like December or January 15th or something.

02:33:42.000 Sorry if I sound braindead.

02:33:43.000 I got a fever and got a pretty bad cold.

02:33:45.000 Woke up at 3 in the morning with it last night, so I'm kind of babbling incoherently.

02:33:49.000 But the contest, again, was going to be January 1st.

02:33:52.000 I was going to announce who the winner was, but I want to get more respondents to this.

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02:34:08.000 Get that out to everybody, email that out to everybody.

02:34:12.000 It's so important because now it's becoming more and more mainstream that this guy's going to be running for President in 2008, and that they're confident that they can change the Constitution by then to do it.

02:34:24.000 And I've gotten a lot of emails saying, well, if 80% of people in polls are against it, Then why are you so worried?

02:34:31.000 Well, some polls show 58%.

02:34:34.000 Because they don't care what the polls say.

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02:36:26.000 Let me go through some more of this news and then we will go to your calls.

02:36:33.000 Cover as much as I can before I have another coughing attack.

02:36:35.000 Excuse me.

02:36:42.000 OPEC.

02:36:42.000 Nations seen cutting worldwide deposits in dollars.

02:36:47.000 Now we already knew this, but here it is in the New York Times yesterday.

02:36:52.000 Member nations of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries Have cut the production of their deposits, denominated in dollars by more than 13% points in the past three years, mainly to the advantage of the Euro.

02:37:08.000 The Bank of International Settlements said Sunday.

02:37:13.000 Big deal.

02:37:13.000 It is a very big deal.

02:37:15.000 In its latest quarterly report, the Bank for International Settlements A forum for world central banks attributed the trend partly to United States interest rates having fallen below Eurozone levels.

02:37:31.000 The report said dollar-denominated deposits fell to 61.5% of total deposits on members of the OPEC in a second quarter of 2004 from 75% in the third quarter of 2001.

02:37:48.000 The share of Euro-dominated deposits rose 20% to 12% over the same period.

02:37:56.000 And Bush says it's good to have a weak dollar, so it's only accelerating when they could have easily propped it up.

02:38:01.000 This is by design.

02:38:04.000 And it goes on and on.

02:38:05.000 You can read that at PrisonPlanet.com.

02:38:08.000 It's a big deal.

02:38:09.000 And Infowars.com.

02:38:11.000 Here's another one.

02:38:12.000 AFP.

02:38:13.000 Dollar hits new low against Euro despite Eurozone call for action.

02:38:17.000 The dollar sank to a new all-time low against the Euro as markets brushed aside tougher talk from European officials urging action to reduce global economic imbalances.

02:38:29.000 The single European currency rose to a new all-time high of 1.3467.

02:38:35.000 Dollars in early trading in London today.

02:38:38.000 Topping a previous record summit of $134.60.

02:38:41.000 Scaled on Friday.

02:38:44.000 So new records every week.

02:38:46.000 Every three or four days.

02:38:47.000 Every two business days.

02:38:49.000 It later fell back slightly to $134.44 against a $1.3405 late Monday.

02:38:57.000 And it's even worse with the yen.

02:38:59.000 The Japanese say they don't want to do it, but they may have to start dumping. 1.00

02:39:03.000 Let me hurry here.

02:39:03.000 I got calls I want to go to.

02:39:09.000 GPS lets long arm of the law grow.

02:39:12.000 Colorado Gazette.

02:39:15.000 Greg Benton has a new job title.

02:39:17.000 Big Brother.

02:39:18.000 Old Day Every Day.

02:39:20.000 He follows his people everywhere, recording each step they take, timing how long they linger in places that are not supposed to be.

02:39:26.000 We're tracking them every single minute.

02:39:27.000 Big Brother is watching you!

02:39:29.000 Said Benton, who works for Comcor, Inc., a non-profit group that offers programs to rehabilitate criminals.

02:39:37.000 Comcor recently introduced technology that allows it to peer via satellite into criminals' life.

02:39:43.000 The problem here is with RFID and the transponders boosted by the cell towers and satellite, it's happening to everybody else, too.

02:39:51.000 Listen to it.

02:39:51.000 Big Brother's watching you.

02:39:52.000 Big Brother's good.

02:39:53.000 Our goal is to get judges to experiment with it, for the lack of a better word.

02:39:56.000 They've already been doing that.

02:39:58.000 Very bad.

02:40:01.000 Continuing, last week Tom Brokaw had on his newscast, his last newscast, that if you don't take the ID card with the retina scan and if you get away from where you're supposed to be around your house, they kill you on the spot.

02:40:13.000 Boston Globe reported on some of that yesterday.

02:40:16.000 Returning Fallujans will face clampdown. 1.00

02:40:19.000 What wonderful freedom! 1.00

02:40:23.000 Break any rule, we kill you immediately. 0.99

02:40:26.000 CPS is out grabbing blind people's children, and believe it or not, blind folks make great parents. 1.00

02:40:32.000 I've got articles on that.

02:40:34.000 That's just some of the news here. 0.99

02:40:36.000 Disgusting Bill Clinton! 0.99

02:40:38.000 Reminding me why I can't stand Bill Clinton. 1.00

02:40:40.000 Always promoting Communist China, as everybody else is. 0.97

02:40:43.000 Bill Clinton helps launch search engine.

02:40:45.000 Former President Bill Clinton, on Monday, helped launch a new internet search company, backed by the Chinese government, which says its technology uses artificial intelligence to produce better results than Google.

02:40:54.000 Folks, the Communist Chinese have their own version of Google now, where they're censoring everything. 1.00

02:40:59.000 I hope you all make lots of money, told the commies.

02:41:02.000 Told executives at the launch of Aconuna Corp, which donated an undisclosed amount to the William J. Clinton Foundation.

02:41:12.000 The Chinese government is the central backer and is granted a 20-year exclusive partnership with the China Daily Information Company.

02:41:21.000 Just sick. 0.97

02:41:22.000 Totally sick.

02:41:25.000 And then we've got more here.

02:41:28.000 Oh, there's so much more.

02:41:29.000 We'll get to this in a little while.

02:41:30.000 I want to go to calls right now.

02:41:32.000 Let's go ahead and talk to... We're going to go to these calls quickly.

02:41:36.000 David in Illinois.

02:41:37.000 Go ahead.

02:41:38.000 Hello, Alex.

02:41:39.000 Hope you're feeling better today.

02:41:41.000 Thank you.

02:41:42.000 Two points regarding Internet access.

02:41:47.000 I'm sure you're aware of Tenet's call.

02:41:50.000 Yeah, we need to regulate speech.

02:41:52.000 They had a sitcom, said it last week, and now Bush did sign on to starting internet taxation in 2007, and it's billed as not taxing.

02:42:01.000 I'm going to tax you!

02:42:02.000 Look, I'm against taxes!

02:42:04.000 It's like they allege Arnold's dad was a Nazi.

02:42:07.000 Alex Jones also alleges the sun comes up in the morning.

02:42:10.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

02:42:11.000 It's okay.

02:42:12.000 It goes beyond taxing.

02:42:14.000 He's wanting to actually limit access to people who take security seriously.

02:42:20.000 Are you aware of that article?

02:42:21.000 Yeah, those quotes were in the Associated Press.

02:42:24.000 Under Internet 2, they're going to phase out Internet 1, start shutting off the switching hubs, and then force you on Internet 2, where you have to get a licensing agreement through a subdomain to even have a website.

02:42:37.000 That was item number one.

02:42:38.000 Just wanted to make sure you were aware of that.

02:42:39.000 Isn't that freedom?

02:42:40.000 By the way, I went to eat dinner at Marie Callender's this weekend with my wife and family, and the little one-page coloring thing for the kids is cops with billy clubs, and it says they're your heroes, and it says the CIA is law enforcement.

02:42:56.000 They're here to help you, and it's cops helping children.

02:42:59.000 I mean, the CIA is not law enforcement, folks.

02:43:02.000 They're not supposed to be here domestically.

02:43:04.000 Go ahead.

02:43:07.000 The second point is, you know how the opposition will dig themselves a hole by maintaining a point that has been proven false, and has a certain amount of compelling evidence that proves it false, or at least brings it into question.

02:43:29.000 But the general public doesn't know any facts, so they don't want to bring light to it.

02:43:32.000 But they'll maintain that point.

02:43:33.000 Yes.

02:43:34.000 To their own detriment, to their own detriment of credibility, to an extent.

02:43:40.000 Well, that's like they'll claim they've killed somebody five times and announce they killed them again.

02:43:43.000 On purpose, they practice lying and being caught.

02:43:47.000 It's normalization.

02:43:49.000 I think that that applies to just about everybody, though, including the truth movement.

02:43:53.000 In 9-11 and the encroachment of the police state, I think it's time for a little bit of house cleaning here, and I want to bring up one example in particular and see what you think about this.

02:44:04.000 See if you know of some more information.

02:44:07.000 Quickly, because I've got loaded phones.

02:44:08.000 You're a great caller, but go ahead.

02:44:10.000 The WTC7 and Silverstein's comment that they pulled the building, and it's been interpreted that pull means that they chose to, you know, detonate and collapse the building intentionally.

02:44:28.000 A argument out there that's countering that is that pull is meant to mean evacuate the firefighters.

02:44:35.000 Yeah, let me stop right here.

02:44:37.000 Silverstein says, the building was burning, we gave the order to pull it, gave the order and watched it come down, and then we cut to the engineer going, pulling means demolish, that's what pull means.

02:44:48.000 Well, the engineer, you're talking about the cleanup engineer?

02:44:52.000 Yes.

02:44:53.000 Later on in that video, in the same context, he's saying that they want to pull the Building 6, I believe is what he's saying.

02:45:00.000 No, I know, but they're explaining later, a month later, when they demolished the wreckage, pulling means pulling a building.

02:45:06.000 Well, he meant that, and he said, what he said was that they were pulling the Building 6.

02:45:11.000 Sir, I'm going to repeat this again to you.

02:45:14.000 We've played this over and over again.

02:45:16.000 I've got it on my website.

02:45:17.000 Hold on a second, I'm stopping you.

02:45:19.000 I have never Never!

02:45:26.000 Never!

02:45:28.000 Never said that he said he was pulling building 7 when the engineer... It's about rebuilding and we play the clip where it said months later they pulled the other buildings that were still standing and we play the engineer saying that to show you that pulling means to demolish.

02:45:48.000 We play that to indicate that pulling is what pulling means.

02:45:54.000 Well, when you pull an engine from a car, what do you do to the engine?

02:45:59.000 You pull it out of the car?

02:46:00.000 You pull it out of the car, you don't demolish the car.

02:46:03.000 Sir, sir, Larry Silverstein, sir, sir, what are you saying?

02:46:06.000 Well, what I'm saying here is that I have Building 7 collapsing on my home page.

02:46:12.000 I've had it there for a long time, but I have not received as much criticism and argument for anything I've said about 9-11 as I have that.

02:46:23.000 And the arguments have reached a point to where I'm reconsidering that because what I want to know is, has anybody interviewed, and this is where you might be able to help.

02:46:33.000 I've called Silverstein at least 12 times, the mainstream media has, they've run TV ads in New York saying that it was blown up, and Silverstein still won't respond.

02:46:43.000 But Alex, have you interviewed firemen in that area and asked them, do you guys use the word pull to mean evacuate a building?

02:46:52.000 Yeah, that's not what he was talking about.

02:46:55.000 They say we had evacuated the building, and then it shows the building smoking, and we gave the order to pull it, and gave the order and watched it come down.

02:47:03.000 Well, I'm just wondering if... Listen, I gotta let you go, sir.

02:47:06.000 I gotta let you go.

02:47:07.000 You can call me back tomorrow if you want to talk about this.

02:47:10.000 I may not even have time to get to all these loaded phones now that I've spent five minutes with you.

02:47:14.000 You know, let's talk about NORAD standing now.

02:47:16.000 Let's talk about flying out the Bin Ladens. 1.00

02:47:18.000 Let's talk about Operation Northwoods.

02:47:20.000 The building fell.

02:47:21.000 It wasn't hit by planes.

02:47:23.000 It had small fires in it.

02:47:25.000 The firefighters told AP reporters, get back, the building's coming down.

02:47:30.000 That's on my website.

02:47:32.000 And so, and then you're considering, well fine, consider whatever you want.

02:47:38.000 Larry Silverstein says, we gave the order to pull it, gave the order and watched it come down.

02:47:43.000 Now, in the industry, pulling it means demolishing a building.

02:47:47.000 Everybody knows that.

02:47:48.000 Firefighter engineering said that something was wrong, that buildings don't do that.

02:47:54.000 You know, jet fuel burns at 1200 degrees, steel burns at over 2000.

02:47:57.000 There were people standing in the holes in the building where supposedly it was so hot it was melting steel.

02:48:03.000 So I can't sit here at the end of the show and have a big debate with you.

02:48:09.000 I don't even understand the debate you're trying to have.

02:48:13.000 It's very, very confusing.

02:48:15.000 They blew up Building 7.

02:48:17.000 I've been on record for two plus years saying it.

02:48:20.000 I've called Silverstein and he doesn't respond.

02:48:23.000 Jimmy Walter's running TV ads in New York City for a month straight.

02:48:28.000 He's all over CNN saying Silverstein.

02:48:32.000 Silverstein doesn't say a word.

02:48:35.000 Now what does that mean to you?

02:48:37.000 Any type of mental gymnastics to ignore what's happening.

02:48:41.000 We'll be right back.

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02:51:50.000 You can call me back tomorrow.

02:51:53.000 I'm gonna have to talk about what this guy just brought up.

02:51:57.000 And I challenge that guy to call back into Mark, because that argument didn't sound reality-based.

02:52:01.000 Here's Larry Silverstein from the PBS documentary, and it shows the building falling behind him as he says this.

02:52:06.000 This is Silverstein.

02:52:07.000 Then we're going to play firefighters, talking about how it looked like bombs.

02:52:10.000 We've got like five different clips of this.

02:52:12.000 Yeah, I've talked to the firefighters.

02:52:13.000 I've called them at their homes.

02:52:14.000 They're scared to talk now.

02:52:15.000 They've been told to shut up.

02:52:17.000 But let's go ahead and play Silverstein.

02:52:20.000 I remember getting a call from the fighter bomber commander, telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.

02:52:29.000 And again, that's after it had been evacuated six hours before.

02:52:43.000 Everybody knows that.

02:52:44.000 Now this next clip is the firefighters, and it's only had one cuss word edited out of it.

02:52:49.000 The video's on the website.

02:52:50.000 This is them on national TV, right after it happened.

02:52:52.000 Here's the firefighters at the firehouse.

02:52:55.000 We made it outside.

02:52:55.000 We made it about a block.

02:52:57.000 We made it at least two blocks.

02:52:59.000 And we started running.

02:53:01.000 Floor by floor.

02:53:02.000 It started popping out.

02:53:03.000 It was like detonating.

02:53:05.000 Yeah, detonating.

02:53:06.000 It was like a flare would take down a building.

02:53:09.000 All the way down.

02:53:09.000 I was watching it and running.

02:53:11.000 It just ran up west.

02:53:12.000 And then you just sort of, this cloud of cheese came down.

02:53:16.000 It just ran up west for you.

02:53:17.000 I went out running.

02:53:18.000 I jumped behind a battalion car.

02:53:19.000 I hit under the car.

02:53:20.000 It was swinging.

02:53:21.000 Okay.

02:53:22.000 Now, from the same PBS documentary, here is the head engineer for New York describing how a month later they pulled the wreckage of 4, 5, and 6.

02:53:33.000 He's talking about 5 and 6 here.

02:53:36.000 And then they pull a building.

02:53:38.000 Okay, so here, when he says pull, they weren't evacuating the building a month later.

02:53:43.000 Okay, it's clear.

02:53:45.000 Pulling doesn't mean evacuating.

02:53:46.000 You can invent whatever you want.

02:53:48.000 Here it is.

02:53:49.000 By mid-December, the Department of Design and Construction had leveled World Trade Center buildings 4 and 5.

02:53:56.000 Hello?

02:54:01.000 Oh, we're getting ready to fall building 6.

02:54:06.000 We have to be very careful how we demolish building 6.

02:54:10.000 We're worried about the building 6 coming down and then damaging the registory wall, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.

02:54:17.000 Okay!

02:54:18.000 Now, we had to be very careful how we demolished Building 6.

02:54:24.000 We're getting ready to pull Building 6!

02:54:28.000 We had to be very careful how we pulled Building 6.

02:54:32.000 Come on, man!

02:54:33.000 I got like 20-something clips there on the site.

02:54:36.000 Play Dan Rather, please.

02:54:39.000 And again, what you're seeing are high shots.

02:54:43.000 Now, here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself.

02:54:47.000 Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building.

02:54:52.000 It's amazing.

02:54:59.000 Amazing, incredible, pick your word.

02:55:02.000 For the third time today, reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.

02:55:15.000 Alright, so if you get upset by some criticism, which by the way I haven't gotten, then I guess if you got criticized for saying the world was round, just go ahead and go back to saying it's flat.

02:55:25.000 Now, I'm trying to be mean, but we looked at this very carefully for weeks before we posted it a couple years ago.

02:55:30.000 We've called Silverstein.

02:55:31.000 Everybody has.

02:55:32.000 Major newspapers, I've now learned, have.

02:55:34.000 And there's no comment!

02:55:37.000 Building 7 wasn't hit by a jet.

02:55:39.000 What did make it fall?

02:55:41.000 And I've called the firefighters at home.

02:55:45.000 And I know you were quoted in People Magazine as saying, bombs.

02:55:47.000 I've been told to shut up, sir, please.

02:55:51.000 The firefighter tapes reported in Tower 1 and 2 the fires were almost out, but they declared Homeland Security or National Security on it and grabbed those.

02:55:59.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

02:56:01.000 You are welcome to call me back tomorrow if I'm not out sick.

02:56:03.000 I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just very angry about this stuff.

02:56:07.000 You're welcome to call and we'll have a 30 minute debate about this, brother.

02:56:10.000 I mean, you just say, well, they probably meant evacuate.

02:56:13.000 Well, you just heard what they meant by pull.

02:56:15.000 Demolish this building!

02:56:17.000 You go, that's six, that's six.

02:56:19.000 I'm telling you what pool means!

02:56:20.000 We are showing you what pool means.

02:56:23.000 Silverstein's talking about seven and saying what pool means.

02:56:26.000 Then we play six and tell you what pool means.

Alex Jones Show - December 07, 2004

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