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00:00:00.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

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00:00:26.000 Hello, my friends.

00:00:28.000 It's a dark day for the Republic.

00:00:33.000 December 7th, 2004, a day that will live in infamy, America and the American people were suddenly and systematically brutally attacked by our criminal government.

00:00:51.000 The attack is ongoing.

00:00:53.000 The attack is continuing in D.C.

00:00:55.000 as we speak.

00:00:56.000 They are attacking the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.

00:00:59.000 They are savaging it.

00:01:00.000 They are murdering it with extreme pleasure.

00:01:06.000 Three weeks ago, they passed the new Freedom Initiative, the Sovietization of America, the fourth psychological testing of all children, and then starting with adults and pregnant women. 0.88

00:01:22.000 The guidelines were written by the drug companies, their own public documents show it is all to make, quote, billions of dollars.

00:01:29.000 The government lets them do it because they want a drugged out, controlled population.

00:01:35.000 Yesterday, because none of the conservative publications would talk about it, Patriot Act II and the National ID Card passed the House.

00:01:51.000 And I was listening to CBS morning radio news, and they came on and said, Arlen Specker says it'll keep you safe.

00:02:00.000 Senator Lieberman, President Bush says he'll happily sign it as soon as the Senate's gotten their job done.

00:02:08.000 It's a foregone conclusion in the media.

00:02:13.000 And in polls when they say, you want us to fix the intelligence agencies?

00:02:17.000 Oh yeah, fix them, I'm for that.

00:02:18.000 But when you say you want a national ID card, 90 plus percent are against it.

00:02:23.000 So they just don't tell you about it.

00:02:26.000 And you thought Patriot Act 1 was bad.

00:02:30.000 Patriot Act 2, with all the secret arrests and torture and executions and DNA databases.

00:02:38.000 All of it.

00:02:40.000 All of it.

00:02:42.000 Is in this legislation that is now on the door of the Senate.

00:02:46.000 They're in there, not even really debating it right now.

00:02:50.000 It's a question of, if you don't pass this, the Al-Qaeda is going to get us and then it's going to be the fault of those that didn't pass it. 0.62

00:02:59.000 That's the essence of the definition of terrorism.

00:03:02.000 The true old definition.

00:03:04.000 The new definition is any misdemeanor crime, we're all terrorists.

00:03:10.000 And you thought I was joking when I said that years ago in my analysis of Patriot Act One.

00:03:15.000 Now you see the cases.

00:03:17.000 People that complain too much.

00:03:19.000 People that sell marijuana.

00:03:21.000 Individuals that sell knock-off Rubik's Cubes.

00:03:26.000 this is what patriot acts are all about and now they have rammed it through the house and it's going into the senate That is the definition of terrorism.

00:03:44.000 The old definition is to threaten violence or carry out violence, to scare a population or individuals into acquiescing to your demands.

00:03:53.000 Pass these bills or Al-Qaeda is gonna get ya!

00:03:59.000 Give up your freedoms or America dies.

00:04:07.000 Pretty simple to see who the terrorists are.

00:04:12.000 By the way, this bill has nothing in it about driver's license for illegal aliens, nothing in it about the open borders.

00:04:18.000 Good Republican congressmen tried to introduce legislation, a congresswoman I should add, that would have made it a federal crime and not allowed all these driver's licenses to be issued to all these foreigners, these illegal aliens. 1.00

00:04:38.000 That's not even in there.

00:04:39.000 So what would really stop terrorists if they really existed outside the CIA and MI6 and Mossad? .

00:04:54.000 Something that would really stop terrorists getting in there.

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00:08:07.000 December 7, 2004.

00:08:16.000 A day that will live in infamy.

00:08:20.000 The American people were suddenly and viciously attacked by the criminals in Washington.

00:08:27.000 The Constitution was savage.

00:08:31.000 And I'd like to say that I have no doubt in the resolve of the American people to rise up against this unprovoked and deliberate sneak attack.

00:08:44.000 Of course, that's an allusion to Pearl Harbor.

00:08:47.000 At least back then, our government just didn't warn the troops.

00:08:52.000 They didn't carry out the attacks themselves, like they did on 9-11.

00:08:57.000 By the way, it's admitted, not just that the codes were broken at Pearl Harbor, not just that the Honolulu advertiser, the big daily paper, a week before, actually eight days before, headline, Pearl Harbor to be attacked on December 7th.

00:09:15.000 Oh, I have a copy.

00:09:18.000 Actual copy of the newspaper.

00:09:20.000 It wasn't just all that.

00:09:21.000 It wasn't the new fleet was out to sea and the old fleet tied up in neat little rows and people giving the day off.

00:09:29.000 The biggest piece of evidence was the fact that four separate midget pocket subs Two man subs were sunk that morning, hours before the 300 aircraft of the Empire of Japan attacked.

00:09:53.000 The ships picked them up.

00:09:54.000 They first knew because one crashed on the reef.

00:09:57.000 They saw it on the reef.

00:10:00.000 Then the others, they sunk and depth charged.

00:10:04.000 They sunk one right outside the harbor, but they were given orders.

00:10:09.000 Stand down!

00:10:10.000 You know, we're just blowing submarines up right now.

00:10:13.000 Everybody, just don't warn anybody.

00:10:15.000 Everybody keep playing baseball or whatever you were doing or laying out on the beach with the lovely ladies of the nursing corps.

00:10:25.000 Just relax yourselves there.

00:10:27.000 Go play golf.

00:10:29.000 Just blowing some submarines up right now.

00:10:32.000 This has always been hidden in plain view.

00:10:35.000 But a couple years ago, CNN did do a report that, quote, we attacked first, and it was admitted, okay, declassified, we were sinking the submarines that morning.

00:10:48.000 And see, that's just a fact you can't ignore.

00:10:52.000 But December 7th, DECEMBER 7TH, 2004, I mean, you really ought to look at your children, folks, and know The world you're giving them, because they look up to you, they count on you to protect them, they have total confidence in you, and we are delivering them into a cross between the East German Stasi, the Nazi Gestapo, and the Russian GRU.

00:11:22.000 I'm serious when I say that.

00:11:24.000 They're even hiring all the old heads of the KGB and Stasi to help run all this.

00:11:30.000 All the same systems, the tattletale squads, the snatch and grab teams, the gun confiscation forces.

00:11:40.000 It's all being publicly arrayed!

00:11:42.000 Many years in the making, many years in training and forging these implements to knock down the gates of America and to sack the inner city and burn it to the ground. 0.99

00:11:56.000 Figuratively.

00:12:00.000 I got a call yesterday and I just want to commend Ron Paul's office.

00:12:05.000 I mean, his staff are the hardest working, most informed, just greatest people you can imagine.

00:12:12.000 And I want you to send them thank you notes.

00:12:16.000 Email them.

00:12:17.000 Thank them.

00:12:18.000 Thank Mr. Dice and the folks that answer the phones and Ron Paul, their whole staff.

00:12:24.000 Because they're still there in Washington fighting.

00:12:27.000 Fighting what's happening in the Senate.

00:12:29.000 Everybody else from the House is leaving today.

00:12:34.000 They're still there fighting what's happening in the Senate right now.

00:12:37.000 You probably don't know what's happening in the Senate right now if you're a new listener that just tuned in, because the mainstream media won't tell you about it!

00:12:43.000 It's called a sneak attack!

00:12:47.000 And of course, even when it's not a sneak attack like the faith-based initiatives to take over the churches and federalize them, or even when it's public and it's not a sneak attack like the New Freedom Initiative to forcibly, psychologically test every child in the country, public, private, or homeschooled, at gunpoint if need be, they've actually passed that.

00:13:06.000 That wasn't a sneak attack, and they got millions of calls, millions of news reported, but they just said, we don't care.

00:13:13.000 We got a mandate.

00:13:14.000 Forced drugging.

00:13:15.000 It's conservative. 1.00

00:13:16.000 Shut up. 0.99

00:13:17.000 Bill Clinton and all of them just love it. 1.00

00:13:19.000 They're all out supporting it.

00:13:21.000 But we do have a sneak attack with Patriot Act 2.

00:13:25.000 But we can't just stop with Patriot Act 2 while it's a national ID card.

00:13:31.000 Out of the gates with all the bad uses and ramifications.

00:13:34.000 You have to have a job.

00:13:36.000 Hooked into all these private indexes and databases.

00:13:39.000 Much like the Caps 2 system where you've done nothing wrong but you can't fly.

00:13:43.000 Internal checkpoints.

00:13:45.000 Internal hardened checkpoints where you'll have the equivalent of TSA people fondling you and your wife and children and throwing your goods out on the road at hardened checkpoints.

00:13:56.000 It's all in there.

00:13:58.000 All in the bill.

00:13:59.000 But it doesn't stop there!

00:14:00.000 Wait, there's more!

00:14:02.000 Oh, it always gets better!

00:14:04.000 The depths, they plumb!

00:14:08.000 Total Information Awareness Network funding!

00:14:12.000 It's so good!

00:14:13.000 Is the average person driving along in their car today, or reading the newspaper?

00:14:18.000 Oh, good!

00:14:19.000 The neocon newspaper said, and the so-called conservative papers, the liberal papers.

00:14:23.000 Oh, good!

00:14:24.000 Oh, they're working together?

00:14:26.000 Don't worry, you're going to be safe now, at least for a few weeks until they have more legislation.

00:14:32.000 Don't worry, everything's going to be okay now.

00:14:36.000 The Senate has now got the bill and they're getting together to keep you safe so intelligence can communicate with each other.

00:14:44.000 You're for them being able to communicate with each other, aren't you?

00:14:49.000 I did searches the last few days, and I knew they were trying to pass these bills.

00:14:54.000 Nowhere, nowhere, nowhere was it discussed what was in the bill.

00:15:04.000 The media wouldn't talk about it.

00:15:06.000 The Newsmax's of the world, the New York Times of the world, none of them.

00:15:10.000 It's just pass it, it's good, get it done, oh it's great.

00:15:17.000 And Bush said, better pass it or the terrorists are going to get you.

00:15:21.000 I mean, they've been on the news.

00:15:22.000 You better do this or it's all over.

00:15:26.000 Why, Al-Qaeda's not going to wait. 0.71

00:15:30.000 You see, I thought Homeland Security was supposed to save us, but, oh, that's not enough.

00:15:33.000 Now we need a new super agency, and then even more controls. 0.99

00:15:37.000 And all of this going on while the border is more open than ever.

00:15:43.000 And good congressmen said, well, if you're going to pass this, we might as well get it in there that illegal aliens can't be issued driver's licenses by states, as long as we're federalizing IDs.

00:15:53.000 And they said, no, we're going to accept.

00:15:56.000 We're going to accept consular matriculas. 0.99

00:15:58.000 And we're going to let the states keep doing this to anybody with no proof of who they are.

00:16:03.000 But citizens have to jump through innumerable hoops.

00:16:09.000 So I got this call yesterday.

00:16:13.000 And I put out this little email at approximately 3.30 p.m.

00:16:18.000 yesterday.

00:16:18.000 Ron Paul's press secretary, Jeff Deist, called me to warn that the legislation that encompasses the National ID Card and Patriot 2 provisions was on the verge of passing the House tonight.

00:16:30.000 And it did.

00:16:31.000 Deist stated that the bill and what it means for America could be described in a word as tyranny.

00:16:41.000 Dice's tone was very serious, and their office was frantic to get this word out.

00:16:52.000 And I made it clear, of course, in a radio interview that I did right after that, that they were very earnest to warn people that it was a war room atmosphere.

00:17:02.000 Dice and Ron Paul were desperate to mobilize The alternative media before the bill reaches the Senate tomorrow.

00:17:14.000 There is still a chance that we can shoot down the national ID card provisions before the bill is passed in full.

00:17:21.000 Dice went on to explain his disbelief at how the so-called conservative Bush administration had betrayed America and how Paul's colleagues on Capitol Hill were blindly going along with this and doing whatever Bush tells them to do without question.

00:17:39.000 And Ron Paul's giving his neocon speech, saying the same thing.

00:17:43.000 Again, Paul was on the floor fighting it at the time.

00:17:45.000 And Dice, there he was, and the whole staff calling people, trying to warn them, trying to do something, because it was not the news!

00:17:52.000 For the past two days, mainstream news articles have talked of a compromise which was made with the few dissenting voices, and the bill would be steamrolled through.

00:18:03.000 However, those articles fail to mention the very worst aspects of the bill.

00:18:06.000 Instead, pitching it as a mere Reformation of Intelligence, Communication and Protocol.

00:18:14.000 Please call your Congressional Office right now and vote your opposition to this bill.

00:18:19.000 And it passed in the House last night.

00:18:20.000 It's in the Senate, S-2845.

00:18:21.000 2845 the national ID card clause which will be tied into the new sales tax and all the nightmares in S 2845 is 7212 7212 and here is an article written by Ron Paul last night after it passed This is on PrisonPlanet.com.

00:18:50.000 I hope you get this out to everybody.

00:18:52.000 Police state ID card bill passes without Congress even reading it.

00:18:57.000 And folks, it's going to pass the Senate, but we've got a moral responsibility to historically at least say we called.

00:19:06.000 And Jeff Dyes, I talked to him this morning.

00:19:08.000 We're getting Ron Paul on tomorrow.

00:19:12.000 told me that yes, at least it's good that we're talking about it because then people learn of it.

00:19:20.000 So call them, call your media, call everybody and go, you know, how dare you?

00:19:26.000 You know, you bemoan Patriot Act 1 and say, oh well, we didn't know what was in it, we didn't get a chance to read it.

00:19:32.000 Well, the same thing just happened this time.

00:19:35.000 But you did have a chance to read it.

00:19:36.000 Police state ID card bill passes without Congress even reading it.

00:19:39.000 That's because the last version was 3,000 pages.

00:19:43.000 It mirrors the Patriot Act's sneak through.

00:19:47.000 So that's Ron Paul's headline.

00:19:51.000 Again, we'll be right back and we'll go over Ron Paul's comments on this.

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00:24:17.000 I hope you want to talk about Patriot Act 2 and the National ID Card.

00:24:24.000 And I got up against that hard break there, and it sounded like doublespeak.

00:24:29.000 I said, they don't have the excuse of saying they couldn't read this bill.

00:24:32.000 Then I read Ron Paul's headline, Police State ID Card Bill Passes Without Congress Even Reading It.

00:24:37.000 That is, we knew the provisions and subsections that have been added months ago for a National ID Card, federal standardization of that, and for Patriot Act, too.

00:24:49.000 But thousands of pages were then added When this thing was brought back up for a vote yesterday.

00:24:55.000 So, whole giant sections hadn't even been looked at.

00:25:01.000 No one had a chance to read large portions of it, so we don't even know.

00:25:06.000 And Ron Paul says here in this legislative update from last night after it passed the House that we don't even know what's in the Senate.

00:25:12.000 We know the 3,000 pages that went to them.

00:25:16.000 But they may even add more to that.

00:25:19.000 Police State ID Card Bill Passes Without Congress Even Reading It.

00:25:23.000 3,000 Page Bill.

00:25:24.000 Passage Mirrors That Of First Patriot Act.

00:25:27.000 Emergency Alert.

00:25:27.000 Sneak Through.

00:25:29.000 National ID.

00:25:30.000 Patriot Act 2.

00:25:31.000 Legislation On Verge Of Passing.

00:25:35.000 December 7th at 7.38 p.m.

00:25:37.000 This was released.

00:25:39.000 The U.S.

00:25:39.000 House passed the conference report on the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act by a vote of 336 A's or I's to 75 No's vote tally.

00:25:52.000 There you have it.

00:25:56.000 Democrats and Republicans.

00:25:57.000 It was mainly conservatives that voted against it.

00:26:00.000 Bush working with the larcenous Democrats as usual.

00:26:03.000 I don't want to hear Democrats whine about the Patriot Act. 0.99

00:26:05.000 Bush is evil. 1.00

00:26:06.000 He's a villain. 1.00

00:26:08.000 Bill Clinton saved me.

00:26:10.000 They all work together.

00:26:12.000 If you were a member of Congress, would you vote yes on a 3,000 page bill that you never had a chance to read?

00:26:19.000 Most reasonable people wouldn't.

00:26:20.000 Most reasonable people would want to read and study legislation before deciding how to vote.

00:26:26.000 especially legislation, as monumental as the intelligence reorganization legislation or so-called 9/11 bill.

00:26:34.000 And monumental it is.

00:26:40.000 Legislation will greatly affect various intelligence and military agencies and procedures, financial systems, international relations, not to mention civil liberties in addition.

00:26:49.000 The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the legislation will cost $14.4 billion to implement over the next four years.

00:26:58.000 That's $14.4 billion on top of the normal annual budgets for the various governmental agencies involved.

00:27:05.000 Yet this monumental legislation will be voted on by members of Congress without those members having had time to read it, let alone study the bill.

00:27:13.000 It's just after 2 p.m.

00:27:16.000 ET on Tuesday, December 7th.

00:27:18.000 House is expected to vote on the 9-11 bill sometime today or tomorrow, but at this moment there isn't a copy of the final bill available for House members to read.

00:27:18.000 The U.S.

00:27:26.000 So! 0.81

00:27:28.000 Is there a provision in the bill to establish national ID?

00:27:31.000 And again, by the time I talked to Jeff Dice at 330, they had it.

00:27:33.000 Let me give you the subsection.

00:27:35.000 No one seems to know, or at least the people who don't know aren't saying, what else is in the bill?

00:27:41.000 They just throw 3,000 pages at you that the select few in Washington are keeping secret.

00:27:45.000 Who knows?

00:27:46.000 Anything could be.

00:27:47.000 And that's the point.

00:27:51.000 Remember how the passage of the Patriot Act was handled?

00:27:53.000 Members had only two to three hours to read the 400 page bill before they had to cast their vote?

00:28:00.000 The legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security was handled in the same way?

00:28:04.000 So here we go again.

00:28:05.000 Everyone is talking about the monumental legislation as if they've read it.

00:28:09.000 News reporters, commentators, political analysts, think tanks, 9-11 families, and yes, members of Congress are busy sounding off as experts trying to convince the American public that Congress should pass it.

00:28:19.000 Have any of these people actually read it?

00:28:22.000 Their opinions are just based upon someone else's opinions that are based upon other people's opinions and so on.

00:28:30.000 The House version of the Intelligence Reorganization Bill is in two volumes.

00:28:35.000 Volume 1 is 1,778 pages.

00:28:39.000 Volume 2 is 1,586 pages.

00:28:42.000 How many pages are in the final conference report, and what exactly has been added and deleted at the last minute?

00:28:49.000 Well, as of 2 p.m., the final report is not available to members to read, but the vote on the enormous bill will be held within hours.

00:28:57.000 We urge no vote, because we believe the bill has a national ID provision in it.

00:29:02.000 In addition, we urge no, and it goes on and on.

00:29:04.000 So.

00:29:08.000 As of 3.30, when I got a call from their office, they had gotten the subsection.

00:29:15.000 And it's S-2845, over 3,000 pages.

00:29:19.000 And the subsection for the national ID card is 7212.

00:29:25.000 And that baby passed yesterday.

00:29:28.000 And that baby is now, that Rosemary's baby, is now in the Senate.

00:29:39.000 They could be voting on it any minute.

00:29:43.000 And the controlled press and the neocons will not tell you what is in it.

00:29:48.000 They'll be back with your calls, PresidentPilot.tv!

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

00:29:52.000 The empire's on the run.

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00:32:56.000 At the end of the broadcast yesterday, we had to basically not go to all the calls because a caller called in who had questions about WTC7 with we had to basically not go to all the calls because a caller called in who had questions about WTC7 with Larry Silverstein saying that they gave And we had to end the show.

00:33:21.000 We didn't have enough time to debate that.

00:33:22.000 And if that fellow is listening and wants to call in on the next hour, he's welcome to.

00:33:28.000 And we can debate that and discuss that.

00:33:32.000 We're about to go to your calls.

00:33:35.000 In the next hour, I also want to play a Ron Paul legislative update about the dollar.

00:33:39.000 The plunging dollar and what that means for the American people.

00:33:42.000 But again, the Homeland Security 9-11 Police State Bill passed the House over 3,000 pages.

00:33:48.000 Part 1 is 1,778 pages.

00:33:50.000 So what?

00:33:50.000 Part 2 is 1,586 pages.

00:33:50.000 1,778 pages.

00:33:53.000 Part 2 is 1,586 pages.

00:33:55.000 So what?

00:33:57.000 That's 3,300 plus pages long.

00:34:05.000 Thank you.

00:34:07.000 And we had some of the subsections, and after it was passed and voted on, they got a copy of the bill, and it did indeed have what it had in it two weeks ago, the National ID Card and Patriot Act 2.

00:34:18.000 And again, they passed parts of Patriot Act 2, back with the Intelligence Enhancement Act, and another act they had, what was it?

00:34:30.000 It was December 13th of 2003, almost a year ago, when that passed.

00:34:42.000 And they announced it on the same day that they captured Saddam's. 0.61

00:34:45.000 It didn't really get any news.

00:34:46.000 It was on the Associated Press.

00:34:48.000 That was about it.

00:34:49.000 They passed a large portion of it then.

00:34:52.000 But it looks like larger portions, if not added Patriot Act to garbage, was in this one.

00:34:58.000 And I'm going to try, now that it's public, to look at the Three thousand something pages.

00:35:03.000 I would challenge you as listeners to go to thomas.loc.gov.

00:35:08.000 Hundreds of folks that want to take action, or the thousands of internet listeners that want to take action, you might go to thomas.loc.gov and type in the bill number, S2845, And I would hope it's been posted there now.

00:35:23.000 It went to Congress after they passed it.

00:35:25.000 That's a new special thing they do.

00:35:27.000 But I would imagine it should be there now that it's gone to the Senate.

00:35:31.000 Subsection 7212 about the National ID Card.

00:35:33.000 But it's... Again, hundreds of us going and looking at it can probably find some of this stuff.

00:35:40.000 It's many minds together make light work, as they say.

00:35:44.000 Right now, let's go to the calls.

00:35:46.000 John in Texas.

00:35:47.000 Thanks for holding.

00:35:48.000 Go ahead.

00:35:50.000 Alex Jones?

00:35:50.000 Yes, sir.

00:35:52.000 Well, I hope you're feeling better.

00:35:53.000 Uh, not really.

00:35:54.000 I've got a cold, but thanks for asking.

00:35:56.000 All right.

00:35:58.000 Well, I've got a question that's nothing to do with that Patriot stuff, but I've heard you and Jack Blood and Darryl Brown talk about Masonic this and Mason that.

00:36:07.000 What's Masons and who are they and can you elaborate on that a little bit?

00:36:12.000 Do you want to hold on to the answer?

00:36:12.000 What is that?

00:36:16.000 Yeah, sure.

00:36:18.000 Well, I mean, look, I've had great-grandfathers and people that were Masons and they weren't bad people.

00:36:24.000 Most Masons aren't bad. 1.00

00:36:27.000 It's a long, lengthy answer.

00:36:31.000 You know mathematics and scientific secrets are powerful and important today, right?

00:36:38.000 They unlock the secrets of the atom.

00:36:43.000 The secrets of the subatomic particles.

00:36:47.000 in our modern quantum mechanics.

00:36:50.000 Well, mathematics was just as important to people a couple thousand years ago, I don't know, 2400 years ago with King Solomon.

00:37:02.000 They knew how secret construction guilds that have been based in Egypt knew mathematics, how to build the arch, concrete, How to put pillars up, how to build structures.

00:37:16.000 And those were big secrets because for the men that knew how to do it, they were at the highest levels of government and were very wealthy.

00:37:25.000 And so they were very selective about who they taught construction secrets to.

00:37:30.000 And of course now those construction secrets are open to anybody that wants to go get an engineering degree and has a mathematical brain.

00:37:39.000 And so these things form.

00:37:40.000 But back then, science and mysticism were one and the same.

00:37:43.000 They believed that science and mathematics was mystical.

00:37:46.000 So you also have a mystical occult origin to it that predates Christ, that predates Moses and the mountain, that predates Abraham.

00:37:55.000 And so it's occultic.

00:37:57.000 And so it is occultic by its very roots.

00:38:01.000 And these construction guilds then became political, more and more political, and amassed great levels of power.

00:38:06.000 They were known as Rosicrucians or Knights Templars, and basically they were all secret intelligence agencies.

00:38:12.000 But they have the occult underpinning because they go back into antiquity and still have those same rites and rituals dating back to that.

00:38:20.000 And then in modern times they become locally just good old boy clubs that patronize each other.

00:38:26.000 Sometimes they're very corrupt.

00:38:27.000 Sometimes they're altruistic.

00:38:29.000 Depends on the people running local Masonic lodges.

00:38:31.000 But nationally and internationally, the grand heads of it are Satanists.

00:38:36.000 They're Luciferians at the higher degrees above the 33rd degree that most Masons, porch Masons as they call them, don't even know exist. 0.97

00:38:45.000 So that's what the Masons are. 0.99

00:38:48.000 And that's what they're doing.

00:38:49.000 So there's your answer.

00:38:50.000 Okay.

00:38:50.000 Thank you, sir.

00:38:51.000 I appreciate the call.

00:38:53.000 Let's talk to Tim in Ohio.

00:38:55.000 Tim, go ahead.

00:38:56.000 You're on the air.

00:38:57.000 Good afternoon, Alex.

00:38:58.000 Welcome.

00:39:00.000 Talking about the media there and how they're selling us out by not covering all this, I have a new acronym for them, Manipulators Eroding Democracy in America.

00:39:09.000 That's how I refer to them anymore.

00:39:11.000 I wondered if you had caught the CNBC interview yesterday afternoon.

00:39:16.000 It was around 4.30ish Eastern Time.

00:39:19.000 With the police chief from Miami.

00:39:22.000 Oh no, I missed that.

00:39:26.000 It was so cryptically scripted, Alex.

00:39:31.000 They had the police chief on a Kudlow and Kramer show, I think, and they were interviewing him about this passage of the National ID Card.

00:39:40.000 Wait a minute, they actually admitted it?

00:39:42.000 Well, they were talking about it, and what the police chief did admit to, I'm paraphrasing here, is that, I think I've come around, he was saying, that we need to accept this national ID card as a real thing, and that Americans really should be thinking about giving up some of their rights for security, and then the guys come back, and it was like, oh, I couldn't agree with you more, and it was just like total brainwashing, and, you know, anyone that's still getting all of their information just from the mainstream media are total, what I call, Stepfords.

00:40:10.000 And I doubt that.

00:40:12.000 Again, people watching don't put two and two together.

00:40:14.000 No, they don't.

00:40:15.000 The borders stay wide open.

00:40:16.000 They're going to accept all these foreign, easily bought and faked, counterfeited ID cards. 0.99

00:40:24.000 They wouldn't even put... I mean, it's a joke, folks.

00:40:26.000 This national ID card is just like they can control you when you fly.

00:40:30.000 It's going to be for jobs, school.

00:40:33.000 It's admitted.

00:40:33.000 Everything.

00:40:34.000 Internal checkpoints on the highways.

00:40:36.000 It's in the bill.

00:40:38.000 And most jobs are going to be, you know, these Stasi-like law enforcement jobs to begin with.

00:40:43.000 You can see it.

00:40:44.000 Everyone's picking up in the community colleges and elsewhere, you know, law enforcement degrees and stuff like that.

00:40:49.000 It's becoming a big thing.

00:40:50.000 Something, we're saturated in it.

00:40:52.000 Something I didn't really cover enough yesterday.

00:40:55.000 I went out to eat at Marie Callender's.

00:40:57.000 It's a chain of restaurants.

00:41:01.000 I wanted to go eat their salad bar, and I get some of the children's menu with the Crayolas, and on it, it's cops with billy clubs swinging them at you, and it says the CIA is law enforcement, they're here to help you, and then it was just cops helping children, and it says they're the greatest heroes you can have, Maybe a cop who does something heroic is a hero, but they're not all heroes.

00:41:26.000 They're paid to do a job.

00:41:28.000 The point is, we're just immersed in propaganda.

00:41:32.000 These are your leaders.

00:41:33.000 They're here to help you.

00:41:34.000 The CIA is here to help you.

00:41:36.000 They're law enforcement.

00:41:37.000 Well, no, they're not.

00:41:38.000 They're not supposed to operate domestically, but children's menus...

00:41:45.000 Right.

00:41:45.000 It's everywhere.

00:41:46.000 It's like the cigarette companies even lower and lower and lower to try to get their propaganda across.

00:41:51.000 I was hoping you could comment quickly on two things that I see that are going to happen before the final push for the big power grab is they're going to have to work on their gun grab.

00:42:04.000 And I can see the final collapse of the economic situation here with the devaluation of the dollar.

00:42:09.000 Yeah, that's going to be it.

00:42:10.000 If stuff gets lawless and breaks down, I know I agree with you.

00:42:13.000 That's how we'll do it.

00:42:13.000 Thanks for the call.

00:42:15.000 This is what I see happening.

00:42:16.000 And I pray, I hope, I work as hard as I can to stop it.

00:42:20.000 This is what I see happening.

00:42:21.000 Sometime in the next year, they might wait two years while they train their people and put all their police state in place and put more face scanning cameras up on the smallest rural roads.

00:42:33.000 and license plate scanning cameras but a massive terror attack of suitcase nuke or radiological bomb uh...

00:42:40.000 maybe a smallpox release this is what the cfr is saying will happen and then things are really going to break down but if the economic collapse comes faster they may go ahead and do it the next few months this could happen anytime uh...

00:42:54.000 just right in the middle of an economic crash they will then carry out a terror attack that will cause the people not to blame the government It'll cause the people to rally around the government, even though stuff's tough and having to take your pension funds.

00:43:06.000 Man, Al Qaeda, you're better off than those people in that big city where, you know, 200,000 died when the nuke went off. 0.99

00:43:14.000 We thought the world changed forever after 9-11.

00:43:16.000 And some people said, don't take our rights for security.

00:43:20.000 Boy, they're being shown for the traitors they are.

00:43:23.000 In fact, some of them are being arrested right now.

00:43:27.000 No one's going to question this now.

00:43:30.000 And yes, call it what you want.

00:43:32.000 It's martial law, but it's what we need. 0.80

00:43:35.000 And this had to happen.

00:43:37.000 Uh, for people to finally wake up and give up their freedom.

00:43:42.000 It's, call it martial law if you want, we call it security.

00:43:46.000 And then no one will mention, well wait, you left the borders wide open, or whatever event happens.

00:43:50.000 Wait, you had systems that could pick up these nuclear weapons, or wait a minute, you know, smallpox is only in a Russian and U.S.

00:43:57.000 laboratory.

00:43:58.000 There won't be any of that, it'll just be, the government is saving you, the new freedom is here.

00:44:04.000 And they've got all their laws lined up, all their things, and then sees this atmosphere of tyranny.

00:44:09.000 While that happens, then riots broke out in surrounding areas during the quarantine.

00:44:15.000 And there were running gun battles with police.

00:44:17.000 I'm sorry, as it spreads, everyone, if you want food to be delivered to your local area, you've got to come in and turn in your firearms or report who's got them.

00:44:26.000 Now, if you want to keep your firearm, we've got a quick little database check we can do.

00:44:30.000 You can come in for a week-long training seminar, and then you may be given a firearm as an auxiliary force leader in your area.

00:44:38.000 So you'll have squads of yuppies and people who need a job, and so they'll all be part of that.

00:44:45.000 And that's going to be how it works.

00:44:47.000 You go, well, why would they do that?

00:44:48.000 Because they want power and control, folks.

00:44:51.000 Because they're threatened by liberty and freedom.

00:44:53.000 They know we're waking up to them.

00:44:55.000 We know we're going to stand up against their new freedom initiative to force psychologically test and force drugs.

00:45:00.000 They know we're going to stand up against their free trade area, the Americas.

00:45:05.000 They know we're going to stand up against all this.

00:45:07.000 We're going to get angry about the de-industrialization.

00:45:11.000 So there's got to be a big enough threat to get us to all rally around this thing while it happens.

00:45:16.000 Now let's go to the calls.

00:45:17.000 Tim in Ohio, or we already talked to Tim in Ohio.

00:45:21.000 Steve in Ohio.

00:45:22.000 Go ahead, Steve.

00:45:23.000 Yeah, how are you doing Alex?

00:45:24.000 Good.

00:45:24.000 Hey Alex, I have to put you on the spot here, but I get to renew my license in a year or so.

00:45:30.000 And my question is, I don't know how the state of Ohio is, but when they start asking for retina scans, what would you recommend for people like myself if that's going to be the law in a year?

00:45:39.000 Because that's when my expiration comes up.

00:45:41.000 And also, will you personally be willing to do that yourself?

00:45:45.000 Well, let me, again this is a big question.

00:45:50.000 It's a sophisticated question.

00:45:53.000 Um, I didn't have a driver's license for four years.

00:45:56.000 Okay.

00:45:57.000 I had an expired one.

00:45:59.000 Uh, when my license expired, have you ever seen America Destroyed by Design?

00:46:03.000 Yes, I have that video.

00:46:04.000 Yeah, I mean, so the last 20 minutes I go in and preach at the police and they arrest me.

00:46:08.000 That's just part of the, small part of the film.

00:46:10.000 Right.

00:46:10.000 And I went for four years, almost longer than that, almost five, without an ID card.

00:46:17.000 Mm-hmm.

00:46:18.000 And I got tickets for it and I had a lot of trouble flying.

00:46:21.000 And a lot of things went on.

00:46:25.000 And then I said on air that I went and I went ahead and thumbprinted and face scanned.

00:46:32.000 Oh, you've already gone through that device?

00:46:34.000 Well, let me tell you.

00:46:36.000 I went ahead and went and did that because it's something you have to weigh.

00:46:40.000 You know, it's like people laughed at me after I got arrested.

00:46:43.000 Right.

00:46:44.000 protesting thumbprinting.

00:46:45.000 They said, well, they went ahead and thumbprinted you anyways when you got arrested.

00:46:48.000 Ha, ha, ha.

00:46:49.000 They saw it in their world view as if I individually was caring about myself.

00:46:56.000 And whereas, ha, ha, I got arrested and thumbprinted anyway.

00:47:00.000 No, it was about bringing attention to it.

00:47:02.000 Right.

00:47:03.000 It was about educating people.

00:47:04.000 It was about getting it on the local news, showing what was happening.

00:47:07.000 And my analogy was Rosa Parks, you know, why didn't she just put Uh, clown pancake makeup on, and act like she was a white lady, and then she could have ridden at the front of the bus. 1.00

00:47:21.000 Well, it wasn't about her individually, it was about drawing attention.

00:47:27.000 And so, while I fight the National ID Card, and while I go against it, if I can't get on an airplane to fly to L.A.

00:47:34.000 to go on national TV and fight the National ID Card, Then you have to weigh that.

00:47:41.000 Let's say we go into a total police state, total New World Order takeover, and I've got to have something to travel to do something I need to do.

00:47:51.000 Then it's a war zone.

00:47:53.000 As a secret agent in Nazi Germany, would I have fake IDs or would I go through a process?

00:47:59.000 Yes.

00:48:00.000 We fight the system.

00:48:02.000 We go against the system.

00:48:03.000 We fight employers that try to make us have it.

00:48:06.000 We go against that, but understand, the retina scanners and thumb prints are in the bill, but they can also have a face print, which is a digital photo, or a thumb print.

00:48:16.000 Understand, sir, any camera of a high enough digital quality, which is just mid-grade, they're already face scanning you on the street.

00:48:23.000 Right, but it almost seems like you're at the somewhat acquiescence, because the fact of the matter is, Alex, And I understand your position.

00:48:31.000 Now where would you draw the line if they said we need to put a biometric chip under your skin?

00:48:36.000 Would you conform to that in a year?

00:48:37.000 They may have it in a year.

00:48:39.000 And if they do that... Well they will after a newt goes off.

00:48:41.000 They've been softening us up for it and that's the plan.

00:48:45.000 But let me stop you.

00:48:46.000 Let me just explain what I'm trying to do.

00:48:47.000 You asked a question and it's a serious one.

00:48:50.000 I'm trying to give you the answer from my view.

00:48:53.000 You can have your own view.

00:48:54.000 This is an area open for debate.

00:48:56.000 I'm not saying I'm the Grand Poobah here.

00:48:59.000 What I'm trying to get at is when you walk outside or you walk to the mall or when you walk in a hotel Or when you walk up to that camera on the street corner, most of those have face scanning software.

00:49:10.000 Right.

00:49:11.000 So, already, they're doing it.

00:49:14.000 Right.

00:49:14.000 Most states have federally put in the scanners that scan your license plate.

00:49:20.000 And create that number into a digital check.

00:49:23.000 The point is it's already here.

00:49:25.000 I fought it for four years.

00:49:27.000 I tried to stop it.

00:49:28.000 We already had the national ID card at the local level.

00:49:31.000 Now we're just going to make it the law that you've got to have it to have a job, even if you don't have a car.

00:49:36.000 Right.

00:49:37.000 Now they're going to tie it to all that.

00:49:41.000 But no, when it comes to the point of take a chip, and you'll be a trusted citizen, even after the nuke, or the smallpox release, they still won't make you.

00:49:50.000 It'll just be, well, you're automatically pulled over, or you're not trusted to go in the mall, or certain grocery stores aren't going to let you, and they're going to have mass tipping centers.

00:50:00.000 This is going to happen, by the way.

00:50:01.000 Right.

00:50:01.000 But one last thing.

00:50:03.000 I was telling you yesterday about people getting off the grid system, and I'm saying seriously that if this thing gets so tyrannical that people's lives are miserable, I would recommend people quit their jobs and just work for food and just live like vagabonds in the hills.

00:50:17.000 I agree with you, but then what are you going to do when they have mop-up ops and they send out the local ghoul squad to go to your little camp because you're probably a terrorist?

00:50:30.000 You know what you're going to have to do.

00:50:32.000 Right.

00:50:32.000 Oh, by the way, did you get the video yet?

00:50:35.000 Which one?

00:50:36.000 The Tom Brokaw one.

00:50:37.000 Yes, I did, and I'm going to send you off some videos for sending that to him.

00:50:40.000 Okay, I've got some other stuff I'll put on DVD for you, okay?

00:50:43.000 Thanks a million, sir.

00:50:45.000 I appreciate it.

00:50:48.000 No, I mean, punching out of the system, running to a foreign country, that'll work, but only so long.

00:50:55.000 We've got to fight this now.

00:50:58.000 Stay with us.

00:51:01.000 Hey folks, Alex Jones here.

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00:53:55.000 It's the history of the world.

00:54:07.000 Elites trying to dominate and enslave their populations to ensure their control. 0.98

00:54:12.000 To knock out any resistance.

00:54:15.000 They're threatened by your intellects, by your freedom, by your minds, by your love.

00:54:21.000 All they've got is their power and their control and they...

00:54:26.000 They want more.

00:54:26.000 They're dark-hearted creatures.

00:54:29.000 Dr. Deagle, a U.S.

00:54:30.000 government expert who was inside Homeland Security meetings, he wants to come on today, so we'll have him on as a guest the next hour, and so does Jack McClamp.

00:54:39.000 And I'm glad both these gentlemen called, police and military against the New World Order. 0.99

00:54:42.000 We'll just have him on as a guest the next hour and take your calls.

00:54:47.000 And I got a fever and a cold, folks, so I'm going to be running a rebroadcast of that microchipping interview I did last week in the third hour.

00:54:54.000 I probably shouldn't even be in here today because it will end up making me sicker longer, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

00:55:00.000 I just could not come in and do the broadcast today.

00:55:05.000 Before I go to David in Illinois and others that are patiently holding, I really hope you'll listen to my call and take action and realize that they may put in whatever laws they want.

00:55:16.000 They can say black people aren't human beings again.

00:55:18.000 We don't have to follow it. 0.89

00:55:21.000 They can claim that George Bush or Al Gore are God and sovereigns.

00:55:26.000 They're not.

00:55:28.000 They can claim they're going to force drug us and force psychologically test us at the grassroots.

00:55:32.000 We've got to say no and fight it and take over our city governments politically and hold the line against it.

00:55:38.000 Like we've done with Patriot Act too.

00:55:40.000 When they use Patriot Act against innocent people, non-terror related, we've got to scream bloody murder and point it out and fight it.

00:55:48.000 We've got to get past our fear and you've got to take action out there.

00:55:51.000 The big thing is educating people.

00:55:52.000 Folks get little bits of info here and there, but they never get the big picture.

00:55:56.000 They do get the big picture if they're blessed enough, I guess, to stumble across this broadcast or other broadcast.

00:56:03.000 But they're really blessed if you give them a copy of one of my videos.

00:56:06.000 And I've made 11 of them.

00:56:07.000 They're all excellent.

00:56:08.000 They show you what the New World Order's up to.

00:56:09.000 They're an encyclopedia of information.

00:56:12.000 If you watched all 11 films, you would have a master's degree.

00:56:18.000 Of data that took people decades to collate and put together and understand the plan.

00:56:23.000 All the work of other people put together and all the information.

00:56:26.000 I mean, really, the 11 films together, it's got to be 15 hours of video or more.

00:56:33.000 If you just watch these 11 films, it's got to be 15 hours.

00:56:37.000 What am I talking about?

00:56:38.000 It's got to be 22, it's got to be like 30 hours.

00:56:42.000 The average film is about two and a half hours long.

00:56:45.000 See, my math isn't working too well today, folks, with the fever.

00:56:48.000 But I've got a fever just like this country's burning right now.

00:56:51.000 It's liberties and freedoms.

00:56:53.000 It's like the soul of this country's burning out right now.

00:56:56.000 But the wheat from the chaff, while the liberty is dismantled, for every action there's an equal or greater reaction.

00:57:06.000 What do they say in the Bible?

00:57:08.000 When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord lifts up a standard against it.

00:57:13.000 Are you part of that standard?

00:57:15.000 Will you be part of Gideon's Army?

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00:58:48.000 Big Brother.

00:58:49.000 Introduce Big Brother Mainstream Media Government Cover-Ups You want answers?

00:59:04.000 The traitors in D.C.

00:59:05.000 passed the National ID Card Patriot Act II last night in the House.

00:59:10.000 Live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:13.000 Ladies and gentlemen, listen up and listen up good.

00:59:18.000 The traitors in D.C. passed the National ID Card Patriot Act II last night in the House.

00:59:28.000 It's now in the Senate. 0.89

00:59:30.000 I hope you'll call the Senate switchboard and ask to talk to your degenerate senator. 0.53

00:59:35.000 202-224-3121.

00:59:36.000 202-224-3121.

00:59:36.000 Those phone numbers are all at PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com.

00:59:41.000 It's over 3,300 pages long.

00:59:42.000 3,300 plus pages.

00:59:43.000 Part 1, 1,778 pages.

00:59:43.000 are all at PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com.

00:59:48.000 It's over 3,300 pages long. 3,300 plus pages.

00:59:54.000 Part 1, 1,778 pages. Volume 2, 1,586 pages.

01:00:01.000 This is ultra-massive what they're doing to the Constitution.

01:00:07.000 They're just dismantling it.

01:00:09.000 And of course, they took out the provisions that would stop illegal aliens from getting all these fake IDs. 0.77

01:00:14.000 So, they leave that wide open.

01:00:16.000 Dr. Deagle is going to be joining us along with Jack McClam coming up in the next segment.

01:00:19.000 Let's talk to Dave in Illinois.

01:00:21.000 Dave, thanks for holding.

01:00:22.000 Go ahead.

01:00:23.000 I have a cold, too.

01:00:23.000 Hey, Alex.

01:00:26.000 I just noticed after the big WrestleMania where a macho man, John Kerry, took the big flip-flop and dived for a gorgeous George W. But, uh, you know, all the Democrats, they're just stepping right in line now with everything Bush wants.

01:00:41.000 And this new thing is just more proof.

01:00:44.000 You know, you got the majority of people who voted for this are Democrats, and only eight Democrats voted no on it.

01:00:50.000 That's right, only of the 76 that voted against it, let me get the actual numbers, my brain isn't working very good today, 75 knows only a few were Democrats, you're right, 60 plus of them were Republicans, who I guess haven't gotten the word yet that it's okay, it doesn't matter if all the people are against this, we've got electronic voting machines in place for you, you don't have to do what the people want anymore.

01:01:16.000 Yeah, exactly, I mean... That's why all this new arrogance is here.

01:01:20.000 Well sometimes I think the only way we might get any attention is get on a Major League Baseball team and take steroids.

01:01:29.000 But it's pretty sad.

01:01:32.000 About the driver's license thing, I got pulled over for that in Illinois.

01:01:39.000 Basically, they won't really do anything to you.

01:01:41.000 They'll just tell you to go get another driver's license.

01:01:43.000 You can just say, you know, oh, I didn't even notice that.

01:01:45.000 No, I know, but the problem starts when you try to fly to New York to cover the RNC, or you try to get press passes into the RNC, or you try to get on an airplane to Los Angeles.

01:01:57.000 But I will not take the chip and I'm going to fight any employer that ever tries to use indexes and these national ID cards.

01:02:04.000 The problem is they're going to enforce it through the employers and then I'm not going to swipe it for the new national sales tax they're going to have.

01:02:11.000 And at that point I won't be able to get food.

01:02:14.000 They'll have to have people that have cards to go get you the food.

01:02:16.000 So it becomes a... I mean this is a nightmare situation.

01:02:20.000 Well you know the FDA will keep you safe like they just bought a bunch of Blackstone Smith, Kline...

01:02:28.000 Experimental food, you know, vaccines, with our tax dollars.

01:02:33.000 Well, I mean, there's new stuff out where they're not just testing pesticides on foster kids and AIDS drugs that kill them.

01:02:38.000 Now they're going to test psychotropics on kids they've grabbed.

01:02:42.000 I mean, they literally grab people's children.

01:02:44.000 It's in mainstream news.

01:02:45.000 They just report it calmly and then drug them with experimental drugs.

01:02:50.000 I mean, I'm living in hell!

01:02:51.000 And we should expect this.

01:02:53.000 We've had 15 million abortions.

01:02:55.000 We're an evil country, folks!

01:02:58.000 And, you know, GlaxoSmithKline, they're the big fuzzy guys who went and, you know, would do HIV experiments on orphans, and, you know, as young as four months old and stuff like that.

01:03:10.000 So, it's... These are nice people.

01:03:15.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 How about we all just go to sleep and everything's alright, let the dollar plunge and let them de-industrialize us, and let's go ahead and have a Pan-American Union and get rid of the borders.

01:03:23.000 I mean, what's wrong with you?

01:03:25.000 Well, thanks for taking my call, Alex.

01:03:27.000 Hey, I appreciate your call.

01:03:30.000 I mean, it is what it is.

01:03:33.000 We're here.

01:03:35.000 We're inside the New World Order.

01:03:38.000 And it's really sad.

01:03:41.000 We've got some big guests coming up, and your calls, and a whole lot more.

01:03:48.000 The battle's only beginning, though.

01:03:50.000 Why don't you join us?

01:03:53.000 Alex Jones here, announcing the release of my new film, Police State 3 Total Enslavement.

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01:07:02.000 You want answers?

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01:07:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:07:13.000 That's right, from here in the heart of the War Room, one of our little bases in the fight against the New World Order, Austin, Texas, I'm your host, Patriot Act 2 National ID Card 3,300 plus page bill passed.

01:07:33.000 We'd seen subsections of it weeks ago, but they'd added hundreds of new subsections.

01:07:37.000 No one was allowed to read it, and it passed the House yesterday.

01:07:40.000 300 to just 75 to give you the actual vote on the bill.

01:07:47.000 To give you the actual vote on the bill, 336 yeses, 75 nays, and it was only a few Republicans that voted against it.

01:07:59.000 The Democrats love Lord Bush in their actions, not in their rhetoric.

01:08:05.000 And it's now in the Senate.

01:08:07.000 And we at least morally have to call the Senate and tell them how dare you engage in this traitorous activity.

01:08:13.000 But even as they try to implement domestic checkpoints and all the stuff that's in the bill, even as they try to implement all of this, We have a responsibility to fight at our local level, and there we can actually have an effect.

01:08:29.000 Now, we got Dr. Deagle on, we got Jack McClam on for this hour, and we got loaded phone lines, so we're at the limit.

01:08:36.000 Pardon me?

01:08:38.000 We just lost Deagle, so we'll get Dr. Deagle back on here in just a moment.

01:08:46.000 We have Jack McClam.

01:08:48.000 And we'll have to limit how long the callers are monitored.

01:08:50.000 There's a lot of news and information to cover, but we will get to Mike and Brian and Michael and Tammy and John and everybody else that is patiently, patiently holding.

01:09:02.000 And again, a couple weeks ago they passed the new Freedom Initiative for psychological testing and drugging.

01:09:08.000 That's even going to begin for adults.

01:09:11.000 Jack McClam, a lot is happening.

01:09:14.000 Brother, a lot is happening and I don't want to interfere with the very important information you're giving out and what you're doing right now.

01:09:22.000 I want to keep you on this hour with us.

01:09:24.000 Keep me on?

01:09:25.000 Yeah, we'll keep you on as a guest.

01:09:27.000 I'm glad you called in, Jack.

01:09:28.000 I was just calling to give you an update on Leonard Gamage, yesterday, who you had on your show.

01:09:35.000 Our two police and military associations up here in Idaho.

01:09:39.000 I picked up your show yesterday, you know, the old good World War II Flying Tiger Lieutenant Colonel Leonard Gamage was on your show and of course we really picked up on that Alex and wanted to tell you thanks for having him on and our police and military association here has been working to try to get this sheriff to return his weapons And again, for those that don't know, he was brutally attacked at his home by a 20-year-old thug.

01:10:09.000 He fist fought him off.

01:10:10.000 A guy came back in and he said, you better stop.

01:10:13.000 The guy didn't stop, so he shot at the floor.

01:10:15.000 Then he shot him in the foot.

01:10:16.000 I wouldn't have done that. 1.00

01:10:17.000 I would have shot him in the chest.

01:10:20.000 But yeah, the Sheriff then came out to his house and there's no telling what's going to happen to Mr. Gammage, but what's the latest developments? 0.97

01:10:28.000 Well, he told me today I had him on my show.

01:10:31.000 Thanks to you, Alex, we found out about him.

01:10:33.000 Had him on our program last night and one this morning.

01:10:37.000 And we're finally getting some people contacting the Sheriff.

01:10:42.000 We need a lot more, though.

01:10:44.000 And Leonard told us this, he says that he's a friend of Congressman Lane Evans, there in Illinois is the federal congressman, Lane Evans, and he said if some people would call Lane Evans' office and tell him that Leonard had eaten dinner with his mom and him and had been on the first bus trip at the first inaugural for Lane Evans, that he would remember him and he donates to his campaign.

01:11:11.000 And see if he couldn't get Lane Evans, the congressman, to contact this sheriff and try to get his guns back, because he didn't sleep well last night, Alex.

01:11:20.000 He's 87 years old, as you know, and he knows now he's got this There's a suspect out there that he shot in the foot that's bonded out and is loose.

01:11:31.000 And of course the sheriff took him to the police.

01:11:32.000 Jack, what would you have done?

01:11:33.000 What would you have done if that guy was in your house?

01:11:35.000 Well, I taught firearms training for years to private citizens and law enforcement. 0.83

01:11:41.000 We always told them to shoot per center of mass and then be sure you're the only liar on the witness stand.

01:11:49.000 And so that's what we would teach the citizens.

01:11:53.000 Take these people out because If you don't, they'll come back to get you, or they'll sue you and take your home and your farm and everything, and that could very well happen to Leonard.

01:12:03.000 But we're very concerned about his safety right now, sitting at home alone.

01:12:07.000 No, I hear you, Jack, and folks should call the Sheriff. 0.52

01:12:11.000 Do you have the number for Lane Evans?

01:12:13.000 Yeah, sure do.

01:12:14.000 Call his Illinois office at 309 area code 793-5760.

01:12:25.000 That's 309 area code 793-5760.

01:12:32.000 Let me get your take now on the National ID Card Patriot Act 2 passing the house last night.

01:12:41.000 Well, it's the beginning, as you know Alex, of total martial law in this country.

01:12:48.000 Our Police and Military Association knows that.

01:12:51.000 It's just the beginning and By perpetuating these terrorist attacks that are coming, they will get the American people to accept these things for their own safety and security, which is a laugh.

01:13:04.000 As you know, I was a police officer for years down on the southern border of Arizona, and that 2,000 miles of open border just makes this whole homeland security thing just a laugh and a fraud.

01:13:17.000 Because you can't have Homeland Security when you're getting forced out.

01:13:20.000 They're going to have internal checkpoints in Illinois and Texas and every other state.

01:13:24.000 This is in the bill.

01:13:25.000 Searching is just like the TSA at the airports.

01:13:29.000 You think you can escape that by not flying?

01:13:30.000 Uh-uh.

01:13:31.000 That's in the bill.

01:13:33.000 And we're going to have to have this to buy and sell.

01:13:34.000 They admit, swipe your card.

01:13:36.000 It's all coming.

01:13:38.000 Knock the provision out that wouldn't let us accept these fake illegal alien cards.

01:13:43.000 So, the bill actually protects, if there were real terrorists, if you weren't the government, it actually protects terrorists. 0.95

01:13:49.000 I mean, it's so ridiculous. 0.97

01:13:50.000 Yes, it's a fraud. 0.99

01:13:51.000 Total fraud.

01:13:52.000 And our police and military association is promoting the fact that you can't have homeland security When your borders are totally unguarded, and then we're going through martial law at the airport and preparing us to accept these things for our own safety.

01:14:08.000 And they come out and admit, yes we fondle your wife, yes we check all this, and yes we do this, and yes.

01:14:14.000 It's just training us how to be humiliated.

01:14:17.000 Yes, we have about four comments from PSA employees that really are upset about having to do this to people.

01:14:25.000 Yeah, they've been telling the news that I wouldn't do this to my mother.

01:14:27.000 I wouldn't go through this.

01:14:29.000 That's right, that's right.

01:14:31.000 It is a plan to subjugate the American people under this totalitarian system.

01:14:39.000 If you stand there and watch your wife literally having a man put his hands, and they say lingering up to two minutes, on not just the woman's

01:14:51.000 Yes, we had a TSA employee tell us that what's going on is they're laughing about these things, some of them, and they're making those little machines go off on purpose to those big-breasted ladies that come through that are well endowed so that they can get them 1.00

01:15:18.000 Off to the side and have their way with them and so they're really, some of them, yucking this up.

01:15:24.000 That's what they're doing.

01:15:26.000 Meanwhile, the border is wide open.

01:15:28.000 Right.

01:15:28.000 Yeah.

01:15:30.000 Total sham.

01:15:31.000 And there was a Miami Herald article where Mr. Gonzalez, the head guy there over the security at the airport, quit.

01:15:37.000 A few years ago, and he said, when they come in from the foreign Muslim countries or China, we call it acing. 1.00

01:15:43.000 We're not even allowed to look at their documents.

01:15:45.000 They just hold them up and walk past us.

01:15:48.000 It's called acing.

01:15:50.000 Yeah, they don't want to do any profiling against terrorists.

01:15:54.000 Only, it's like Craig Roberts told me, that every time he goes to the airport, he's profiled.

01:16:00.000 They stop him and pull him off and do the heavy, heavy duty check on him.

01:16:05.000 I've had the same thing happen to me, Alex, where they actually came on the airplane and took me off and did it a second time.

01:16:13.000 Hey, Jack, I, and everybody talks about this, so it must be that this is what they do, every time I'm at the airport, if there's an old man, and I've seen this twice, literally, One time, the guy was even wearing his little veteran's cap. 0.72

01:16:27.000 He could barely walk.

01:16:28.000 He had a lady pushing an oxygen bottle behind him. 1.00

01:16:30.000 This guy looked like he was about to die.

01:16:32.000 And, man, they just swarmed on him.

01:16:34.000 They had these people called Wolverines.

01:16:35.000 It was out in, I think, San Francisco.

01:16:38.000 And they were wearing these blue commando outfits, you know, that...

01:16:43.000 Robin's egg blue, you know, that real brilliant blue.

01:16:46.000 Right.

01:16:46.000 With little black berets, and they were all foreigners.

01:16:49.000 I mean, literally, I'm not trying to be mean, folks.

01:16:53.000 All foreigners, my goodness.

01:16:55.000 Well, they had an article, it was in the Boston Global a few years ago, where 96% of people weren't citizens at the Boston airport, and half of those were illegal aliens.

01:17:05.000 Good grief.

01:17:07.000 Jack, I'm not kidding!

01:17:08.000 Man, it's over, brother.

01:17:10.000 If the people don't wake up now, it's just over.

01:17:13.000 I mean, you know, and praise God, the people are waking up.

01:17:16.000 Alex, thanks to your show and any of the people out listening today that are out there handing out your tapes and everything.

01:17:23.000 It's all we've got left to do, brother, but it's working!

01:17:27.000 If we just, we got the plan, we just need to work the plan.

01:17:31.000 Well, Jack, I tell you, I mean, they passed Patriot Act 2 National ID Card.

01:17:38.000 It's in the Senate now.

01:17:39.000 I mean, out of the fire into Hades, literally.

01:17:44.000 Now I guess it's just fighting at the local level, because they can pass whatever they want, but let's see them implement it.

01:17:50.000 That's right.

01:17:51.000 Yeah, we're fortunate that people are getting these sheriff's videos we put out for their local sheriff there that is really helping the sheriffs understand their powers, duties, and jurisdiction.

01:18:05.000 And, uh, so we're pleased here at our Police and Military Association that people are getting these sheriff's videos telling them that they have to stand up against these things.

01:18:15.000 Are you, uh... And they have the duty and power to do it!

01:18:17.000 I know you get contacted by military and police multiple times an hour, but are people in the military really starting to see it even clearer now?

01:18:25.000 They are.

01:18:26.000 Yes, they are, Alex.

01:18:28.000 Our biggest thing is that they say And we're over here risking our lives, allegedly, for America and at the same time our parents and children are losing their freedoms back home.

01:18:40.000 What's this all about?

01:18:43.000 What's this all about?

01:18:44.000 Jack, stay with us.

01:18:45.000 Let's come back and talk to Mike and Brian and Michael and Tammy and John.

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01:22:50.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

01:23:02.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:23:05.000 Jack, with all these big, horrible things happening to the country, the plunging dollar, the dismantling...

01:23:18.000 People say, well, why would they want to do bad things to us?

01:23:21.000 Why would they want to set up a police state?

01:23:22.000 Well, a police state is so they can have their way with you.

01:23:27.000 It's about enslaving you so they can feed on you.

01:23:31.000 The globalists are greedy and dark-hearted creatures.

01:23:35.000 And I can't think of a better example of just the atmosphere in America where a flying tiger veteran of World War II, a colonel, you know, shoots an intruder and they come take his guns.

01:23:48.000 That's right, Alex.

01:23:49.000 Here's a man that served his country and continued to be a tremendous citizen.

01:23:54.000 He's been involved in politics, helping Congressman Lane Evans in office and other activities all these years, 87 years of age.

01:24:04.000 And now this one time when the Constitution, the right to keep and bear arms, should be upheld for him, That he fought for, and could have died for, flying with the Flying Tigers.

01:24:19.000 And here he has no protection.

01:24:21.000 The sheriff was more than willing to come in and take his protection, but when 87-year-old Leonard Gamage looked into his eyes and says, could you send me some protection?

01:24:32.000 Could you send over somebody to protect me from this thug who's now out on the street?

01:24:38.000 And he says, no, can't do it.

01:24:39.000 Here, but give me your gun. 0.99

01:24:41.000 I know, it's absolutely asinine and it makes us so angry. 1.00

01:24:46.000 It is, it's disgusting and it's going to get worse. 0.99

01:24:49.000 Mike in Texas, go ahead Mike.

01:24:51.000 Hey Alex, Michael Brady.

01:24:55.000 Had a similar situation in the mid 80's.

01:24:57.000 Shot a stalker who came into the house, had been following us for 18 months.

01:25:02.000 Came in with the express, almost written, desire to kill us. 0.99

01:25:06.000 And I smoked him. 1.00

01:25:07.000 Shot him six times.

01:25:09.000 For my efforts, following Texas law, by the way, on self-defense in defense of a third party, I was convicted of murder and had to go to the Texas prison system for a number of years and was on parole for 15 years.

01:25:23.000 Afterward.

01:25:24.000 Wow!

01:25:26.000 The guy was a mason and I wasn't, so I had deputies working for me at the time in my automotive repair shop that told me, they were part-time workers and full-time deputies, They told me that where it is downtown, you're going down.

01:25:39.000 So, even though my attorney was the ex-prosecutor, and my brother was a cop, I grew up with the cops, Henry Wade called my little brother in and said, if you testify in your brother's trial, you will be fired.

01:25:53.000 So it was a setup deal from the get-go.

01:25:55.000 The bottom line to all that is... Your brother still should have testified even if he got fired.

01:26:01.000 He would have if there was anything pertinent he could have said.

01:26:03.000 No, I understand.

01:26:04.000 So... Well, I ought to have you on as... You ought to send me some news clippings.

01:26:07.000 I ought to have you on as a guest sometime.

01:26:09.000 Yeah, we see this more and more in America, where you shoot somebody who's busted in your house and you go to jail, Jack.

01:26:15.000 Well, this was back before stalking was cool.

01:26:18.000 And, um...

01:26:19.000 Since then, my case has kind of invoked some of the Texas stalking laws with some help of friends.

01:26:25.000 Have you ever gotten your record expunged?

01:26:27.000 No.

01:26:28.000 How long did you spend in prison?

01:26:29.000 Three and a half years.

01:26:31.000 Unbelievable.

01:26:32.000 And you had a witness and everything.

01:26:34.000 This guy busted into your own house.

01:26:36.000 Multiple witnesses had a peace bond on the guy, had called the cops several times, and of course what they always told me was, is he there yet?

01:26:43.000 He's going to kill you, yeah, but is he there yet?

01:26:45.000 No, he's not. 0.86

01:26:46.000 And they said, well, we can't do anything.

01:26:47.000 Call us when he gets there.

01:26:49.000 And my response always was, you mean I'm dead?

01:26:52.000 Then you can come arrest the guy.

01:26:53.000 And they said, well you have a gun, right?

01:26:54.000 So describe how this happened.

01:26:55.000 When he busted through your door, what happened?

01:26:57.000 I'm sorry, say again?

01:26:58.000 Describe what happened when you killed him.

01:27:00.000 The guy got really drunk one night, came over to the house where me and my fiancé were living.

01:27:06.000 Is he an ex-boyfriend of her?

01:27:09.000 Right.

01:27:09.000 That's why he was a stalker.

01:27:12.000 Came in the door yelling and screaming that he was going to get the punk, that would be me. 0.98

01:27:16.000 And when he started up the stairs, I shot him. 0.97

01:27:18.000 Six times. 0.98

01:27:19.000 Missed one.

01:27:20.000 Only had seven shots in my gun.

01:27:22.000 But, uh, I wasn't fooling around.

01:27:23.000 Did he die immediately?

01:27:24.000 Yeah.

01:27:26.000 Yeah, I sent you an email earlier, actually.

01:27:27.000 He died of lead poisoning on the spot.

01:27:29.000 But, um, it was, uh, I wouldn't hesitate to do it again, even though my life was ruined and I spent $100,000 in legal fees and got convicted anyway.

01:27:38.000 Jack, any comments on that?

01:27:39.000 Uh, yes.

01:27:40.000 Uh, I just want to tell the people out there that it is very important that you defend yourself And you know, the old saying is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 is very, very true. 0.97

01:27:54.000 I can tell you, I could go on for two months, Alex, telling you about the young girls They've been broken in on, and they had no way to protect their kids, and their kids were killed and everything.

01:28:04.000 I mean, horrible, horrible stories.

01:28:06.000 Well, it's like the story where the guy's using the axe.

01:28:08.000 It was the pitchfork to kill all the little kids, and the 14-year-old could have gotten to the .22 or the rifle, but it was locked up because of the California law.

01:28:16.000 Yes. 0.63

01:28:16.000 Uh-huh. 0.63

01:28:17.000 Well, this is the thing that's going on in Phoenix, Arizona, the sixth-largest city that I worked in for years.

01:28:23.000 And we would tell the people that two things to remember, very, very important, is that you never say you shot to kill him.

01:28:30.000 You shot to stop him.

01:28:32.000 Never say shot to kill because it sounds very bad before a jury.

01:28:36.000 You're only shot to stop him. 0.98

01:28:38.000 And also, make sure that you're the only liar on the witness stand. 0.89

01:28:43.000 We're on the march.

01:28:45.000 The Empire's on the run.

01:28:47.000 Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

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01:32:00.000 Alex Jones on the GCM Radio Network.

01:32:05.000 Alright, I want to cycle through a bunch of these calls.

01:32:10.000 Dr. Deagle, who's been on as a guest before, called in.

01:32:14.000 He has a comment.

01:32:15.000 We've got Jack McClam with us.

01:32:16.000 We're about to go to Brian and Michael and Tammy and many others that are holding.

01:32:22.000 Dr. Deagle, you had comments about this National ID card?

01:32:25.000 Yeah, first thing I want to say is actually a comment to everyone listening.

01:32:30.000 In the ten years that you've been doing your broadcasting, this is probably the most important broadcast that you've done in terms of what it's going to do to American civilization.

01:32:40.000 If we don't stand up now with Alex and with what he's doing to try to get the truth out and take action, it's over.

01:32:48.000 The Constitution is going to be nullified with this Patriot Act too.

01:32:51.000 I've talked to legal experts, in fact I talked to a constitutional expert in federal law yesterday.

01:32:56.000 I was shown the national ID At least one version of it, which is sitting in a warehouse in Illinois.

01:33:02.000 Both the National ID card as well as the implantable chips for titanium and Pyrex.

01:33:07.000 They don't plan on just chipping you so they can track you.

01:33:10.000 These are tracked by the same towers as cell phones and low-earth orbit satellites.

01:33:14.000 They want to eventually wet-wire your brain.

01:33:17.000 And I've seen the experiments first-hand when I was recruited and turned the project down for a CIA project in 1978 at UCLA VA Wadsworth Hospital.

01:33:26.000 This is very serious.

01:33:28.000 I want to read through these documents myself as well, and see exactly, because I have Patriot Act 1, and I cannot believe it.

01:33:34.000 I read mine over 30 years ago, and what I see coming is a thousand times worse.

01:33:41.000 It has nothing to do with terrorism.

01:33:42.000 Jack McClam?

01:33:46.000 Nothing to do whatsoever, Alex.

01:33:48.000 Our police and military association here has checked this out, and we've looked at it every angle we possibly can, and the system set up today With our borders totally unguarded.

01:34:01.000 And we know we have Border Patrol agents on our mailing list here who talk to us about the 4,000 a night coming through just alone through the Arizona border that they don't catch.

01:34:11.000 And it's ridiculous.

01:34:13.000 It has nothing to do with security of the American people whatsoever. 0.92

01:34:17.000 It has to do with control of the American people. 0.80

01:34:21.000 The legislation says internal checkpoints, internal passports, all the nightmares of the airports, now to be phased in, it's always incremental, now not just the cameras on your street corner, but little checkpoints.

01:34:34.000 Let's take a call.

01:34:36.000 Brian in New Jersey, you're on the air, go ahead.

01:34:39.000 Alex, awesome to talk to you as always.

01:34:42.000 Quick question and then a quick comment.

01:34:44.000 I was wondering if I was allowed to just Advertise in the newspaper, InfoWars.com, or make a business card.

01:34:49.000 Well, you're allowed to advertise whatever you want.

01:34:52.000 It used to be a free country.

01:34:54.000 Okay, awesome.

01:34:54.000 But no, I would thank you for doing that.

01:34:57.000 It's like my part-time job now to inform everybody.

01:35:00.000 I've seen all your movies at least three times.

01:35:02.000 Well, if we all had that attitude, we wouldn't be in this position.

01:35:04.000 We became decadent.

01:35:06.000 That's right.

01:35:06.000 We became unplugged spectators.

01:35:09.000 And we've got to be engaged.

01:35:10.000 Jack, any comments to what he just said?

01:35:12.000 Yes.

01:35:13.000 Our whole work here as volunteer police and soldiers is to awaken our police and soldiers.

01:35:18.000 Because we know, of course, that if it is we, the police and soldiers, that are going to be the enforcers, that if we We say no to enforcing tyranny, it won't get enforced.

01:35:30.000 And by the way, police and military, you're citizens too, you're allowed to stand up and say you don't like all this.

01:35:36.000 That's right, absolutely.

01:35:38.000 If I had a job and they told me to go run off a cliff, I'm going to say no, I'm not going to do that.

01:35:42.000 Yes, it has been brought up to this Sheriff Michael Johnson there in Illinois that took the guns away from our World War II vet and left him defenseless that he says, well I have to uphold the law.

01:35:56.000 Well, what happened to his constitutional oath that is the supremacy clause under Article 6?

01:36:02.000 Yeah, those are the big ten, folks.

01:36:04.000 You know, they're the big ones in stone, not some regulation.

01:36:08.000 Alex, I want to tell you about this news story that I saw.

01:36:11.000 I rarely ever watch TV news.

01:36:12.000 I was over at a friend's house, and there were these kids that had vandalized the whole neighborhood.

01:36:17.000 They were spraying flossicus and whatnot.

01:36:20.000 The news report didn't say that they were vandalizing, they said they were terrorizing the neighborhood.

01:36:24.000 And when I brought this up to the friends in the room who were watching, they were like, oh, they are terrorists.

01:36:28.000 And it's just really sad to see that they can't use those words. 1.00

01:36:30.000 And then those stupid punk kids get caught, they'll get charged with terrorism and not have their rights. 1.00

01:36:36.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:36:37.000 And by the way, half the time this happens, it is minority kids doing it to get attention.

01:36:43.000 In fact, more than half the cases at colleges and streets and synagogues, when we research it, it usually comes out, and this happens over in Europe too, it is groups doing it to themselves for attention.

01:36:54.000 I don't know about this case, but in a lot of cases it is.

01:36:57.000 In fact, Jack, you see that a lot in law enforcement, don't you?

01:37:00.000 Oh, yes.

01:37:01.000 In Phoenix, we had kids doing swastikas for certain groups of Jewish people that wanted the attention to pass these hate crime legislation.

01:37:13.000 And so a lot of this goes on.

01:37:17.000 Well, thank you so much, Alex.

01:37:18.000 Yeah, I appreciate the call.

01:37:20.000 Any comments, Dr. Diegel?

01:37:22.000 Yeah, I think that we have to all wake up.

01:37:25.000 I believe in the 2% rule, which is, I think, the basis behind what your program has.

01:37:30.000 Which is, if 2% of people start yelling along with Alex Jones, across this nation and across the world that are listening on the internet, this won't happen.

01:37:40.000 But if we don't, terror is months or weeks or just a couple years away and we don't know.

01:37:46.000 Well clearly 9-11 is just a setup for bigger events.

01:37:51.000 Well, when I sat in that meeting we talked about a few weeks ago on air, between the FBI and the CDC director, The FBI Director said there will be a Pearl Harbor event and of course we just passed the date when Pearl Harbor, of course, we know it was manufactured, happened.

01:38:06.000 So guess what we're going to have again?

01:38:09.000 Another Christmas present.

01:38:10.000 It's not 1913.

01:38:11.000 We're going to receive Patriot Act II.

01:38:14.000 And don't think if you're in another country like Canada or Britain or anywhere else it's not going to come to you because what they do in America will be replicated everywhere but it'll be a nicer version.

01:38:24.000 They're worried about Americans because they have to disarm you because you'll stand up and fight.

01:38:28.000 Right now, many of them are asleep, but they're going to start waking up when all of a sudden their money's worth nothing, they don't have a job, and they realize that they're now being told to report to shipping stations or to report to mandatory vaccinations that might kill them.

01:38:43.000 And I can tell you as a doctor... And that's the model states held in the Emergency Powers Act.

01:38:46.000 I mean, they're really doing this.

01:38:48.000 Yes, and these things are mandatory, and if you don't, You are a terrorist by definition and you're taking away... Well, I hear this all the time.

01:38:55.000 I'll hear about a barroom fight and they go, he was engaging in a terrorist attack.

01:39:00.000 He was terrorizing.

01:39:02.000 We're charging him with terror.

01:39:04.000 Jack, I'm sure you heard about the lady selling the knockoff Rubik's Cubes that got a Homeland Security visitor, the veteran who called and complained too much.

01:39:14.000 We heard it through you, Alex.

01:39:15.000 We've got a wonderful micro-broadcaster on the mountain up here that There's our, your show with us every day.

01:39:21.000 Here at our Police and Military Association.

01:39:23.000 I mean, I have hundreds of examples, Jack, now where again, a kid with a half ounce of pot, they go, you don't get any rights, uh, we're just gonna send you straight to jail under the Patriot Act.

01:39:33.000 I mean, folks, this has nothing to do with terrorism.

01:39:36.000 Yes, that's true.

01:39:38.000 Yeah, the target was the American public.

01:39:40.000 The target was our freedom.

01:39:42.000 That's another example that I was going to raise here about the FEMA training.

01:39:45.000 This didn't end with Bill Clinton.

01:39:47.000 and then throw it away like a carcass when it's done.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, using us as kind of the blood supply for this New World Order and sucking us dry while we're doing it. 0.72

01:39:55.000 That's another example that I was going to raise here about the FEMA training.

01:40:02.000 And this didn't end with Bill Clinton.

01:40:03.000 It expanded with George Bush.

01:40:05.000 It's for homeschoolers, gun owners, Christians, somebody that has an anti-UN sticker on their car, Major law enforcement magazines say, go ahead and arrest them.

01:40:15.000 And police chiefs, don't criticize your officers.

01:40:18.000 This person might be a terrorist.

01:40:19.000 Any comments to that, Jack?

01:40:21.000 Yes, I just reached over when you said that Alex had picked up this FBI brochure for eyes only of police officers given out in Phoenix and other cities to police officers only that have listed on there Christians and patriotic Americans that are suspected domestic terrorists.

01:40:40.000 And it says those that make frequent references to the Constitution.

01:40:45.000 That's right, yes.

01:40:47.000 Gotta watch those people!

01:40:48.000 They use old Butch Reno's name for Christians.

01:40:54.000 These doomsday cult people out here.

01:40:57.000 And that's exactly what she called us, remember?

01:41:00.000 That they are suspected domestic terrorists. 1.00

01:41:03.000 She did tell a major magazine that, quote, Christians are mentally ill. 1.00

01:41:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:41:09.000 Well, the Christians that are listening to this show today and the Patriots should know you're listed on the FBI brochures. 0.66

01:41:15.000 Right.

01:41:15.000 Now, of course, there was so much stink by it, even by police calling in, like our police association, that they got rid of the brochure.

01:41:23.000 But let me tell you, folks, you are in the NCIC computers if you're a Christian and a Patriot.

01:41:29.000 You're there, and it didn't change their heart just because there was stink raised about this brochure.

01:41:34.000 They did withdraw the brochure.

01:41:37.000 But they didn't withdraw the designation.

01:41:40.000 Well, what about Michigan two months ago?

01:41:43.000 They were told, if you want this Homeland Security funding, you've got to have a set of drills where simulated homeschooler parents murder everyone at the school and start blowing up school buses.

01:41:55.000 And they had 200 children had to take part in this and simulate with fake blood and arms blown off how bad the homeschoolers are, how they killed them. 0.96

01:42:04.000 And by the way, folks, in my film, Police State 3, we get into that, but in Road to Tyranny, a three-year-old film, almost three years old, in 9-11, the Road to Tyranny, we have video from Kansas City, as FEMA says, all Christians are enemies of the government and terrorists. 0.97

01:42:22.000 The Founding Fathers are terrorists. 0.77

01:42:24.000 Anyone that talks about the Constitution is a terrorist. 0.96

01:42:27.000 Now, Jack, you've seen that video.

01:42:29.000 I've got them on tape.

01:42:32.000 That's absolutely true.

01:42:34.000 The writing, there's so much writing on the wall, the wall fell down as the old saying goes.

01:42:39.000 So it's time the American people wake up and take out, get out of your prayer closets, get out there on the field and start educating people as fast as we can.

01:42:50.000 We're turning this thing around, Alex, as you know, but they've got a long way to go because if they do this next terrorist attack, And suspend the Constitution, which means the First Amendment.

01:43:04.000 You and I, brother, are off the radio, and the doctor's off the radio, and whoever we have informed at that time is maybe all that will get informed.

01:43:15.000 But we've got a big job to do very rapidly before they set off this next absolutely horrific, probably 100,000 to 200,000 Americans will be killed in this next one because They've got to get the people to give up their girls and boys for this draft coming up. 0.87

01:43:30.000 They've got to get into Iran and Saudi Arabia and Syria.

01:43:34.000 And they've got to have the American people acquiesce to that.

01:43:38.000 So they've got to have another horrendous terrorist attack on America.

01:43:43.000 We've got a lot of work to do while we still have the First Amendment. 0.95

01:43:49.000 Dr. Deagle, any comments?

01:43:50.000 Yeah, back in March 1 of 2001 at the Evans Mark Hotel when I spoke to the FBI Director, he said there will be a Pearl Harbor event that will bring about the national ID that will be put in you and will kill 50 to 500,000 and he repeated it three times.

01:44:05.000 This was in detail when over the... Well, the CFR, the CFR's been all over television saying this.

01:44:13.000 And the national ID is tied directly To the Council on Foreign Relations article back in September of 1970.

01:44:18.000 They talked about evaluated tax that they have in Europe, and they have in Canada, and they have elsewhere, in New Zealand and Australia.

01:44:26.000 Where they want to replace the income tax with a tax of transaction.

01:44:30.000 And if you don't have one of these ID cards, in the future you will not be able to buy or sell.

01:44:35.000 And the reason is, just like with the new internet tax Bush signed last Friday.

01:44:39.000 Oh yes, you didn't know about that?

01:44:42.000 Comes in in 07, the grandfather Now understand folks, this national ID card, the poor people won't have to pay a sales tax because that's fair, which I actually agree.

01:44:52.000 But you'll have to swipe the card, even when you pay cash, to see what value you get.

01:44:58.000 This is the official plan.

01:45:00.000 That's why they've got to have it all standardized, and they're going to keep the income tax at 10%, quote, for Social Security, then ratchet that back up.

01:45:07.000 Let's go back to the calls.

01:45:10.000 Michael in Kentucky, then Callers in Colorado and Texas.

01:45:14.000 Michael, go ahead.

01:45:16.000 Well, good afternoon.

01:45:17.000 This is your unofficial TV affiliate here in Northeastern Kentucky, tv10morehead.com.

01:45:23.000 I've aired a lot of your videos and even some of your radio programming.

01:45:28.000 I appreciate that.

01:45:29.000 Yeah, I've gotten calls from that.

01:45:30.000 Thank you.

01:45:31.000 Okay, what I wanted to go back to is some of what Dr. Diegel was saying about another caller last hour.

01:45:36.000 Can you just imagine How far along they would be if it wasn't for the resistance of alternative media outlets like these.

01:45:45.000 And we need to be very prepared to support our small and independent media because with this coming digital television and digital radio they're trying to push on us.

01:45:55.000 There's a lot of shaking up that's going on.

01:45:57.000 Be ready to go protest your cable company if they're going to Shut down the cable access station all across this country.

01:46:05.000 This kind of stuff is going to be, I think, turned up.

01:46:07.000 Turned the heat up on it even more.

01:46:08.000 It already has been.

01:46:09.000 Yeah, I've been listening to some of the callers that you've been getting.

01:46:12.000 And they tell the little local community commercial station like, here, you've got to buy a million dollar digital transmitter.

01:46:18.000 Oh my gosh, yeah.

01:46:19.000 I mean, well, you know.

01:46:21.000 But I think it is also hard for us to realize sometimes the unseen help that we are getting

01:46:27.000 uh... and uh... that you know the kind of diabolical plot that we don't even know about that have been derailed because that's it i mean this is another thing this is an important point uh... that again they can pass all this stuff all day they can say as i said last hour that black people aren't human beings again and that they're slaves but i expect blacks not to report uh... to the plowshare so again they can claim they're god jack mcclamb that doesn't make them god That's right.

01:46:57.000 And I want to give the people a little encouragement out here.

01:47:01.000 We do have more police and soldiers, especially on the email coming in to us, comments about that they're not going to do these things and force these things on the American people.

01:47:12.000 And of course, same with soldiers that we're hearing from that are awakening today.

01:47:17.000 So, you know, we need to be hopeful and get out and do the work.

01:47:23.000 Got to get the work done, and we've got to inform people as fast as we can.

01:47:27.000 Thanks for the call, Michael.

01:47:28.000 Really great points.

01:47:29.000 Tammy in Colorado.

01:47:30.000 Tammy, go ahead. 0.78

01:47:32.000 Hello?

01:47:33.000 Yes.

01:47:34.000 It's Tammy.

01:47:34.000 Hi, Alex.

01:47:35.000 Yeah, proud member of Prison Planet TV.

01:47:38.000 Well, thank you.

01:47:39.000 I enjoy it.

01:47:40.000 I just have two quick comments.

01:47:43.000 I don't know if you've been listening to Air America or not, but I think that You should kind of try to hold hands with maybe like Randi Rhodes, because she really is on the right track, although she still thinks Bill Clinton is an angel, which I wish you could help her out with that.

01:47:58.000 I think they're doing a good job, you know, getting out to people.

01:48:02.000 I think, you know, maybe... You know, a lot of the left is waking up to the New World Order police state, but I bet they won't talk about how the majority of Democrats voted for this Patriot Act too, along with Lord Bush yesterday, and this national ID card.

01:48:15.000 Jack McClam?

01:48:16.000 Yes, they certainly did.

01:48:18.000 And I think that we have an awakening on the left.

01:48:24.000 We found this with our new program, PatriotPoliticiansLeadWars.com, where we're asking for the left and the right, whose children are going to be drafted come June 2005 in this universal draft, to join us to say from now on, through a congressional bill, that

01:48:44.000 Uh, the congressmen and senators and presidents and their staff that vote for a draft or a war, fund a war, or support it, will go immediately to the front lines on the battle zone in the boots on the ground, uh, you know, uh, soldiers right up front, not in the background at headquarters or not flying over in some beautiful jet plane or Apache helicopter, but right there on the front lines of the infantry.

01:49:10.000 Anything else?

01:49:12.000 Yeah, I just wanted to mention that I just got an email about the March 20th, of course it's the second anniversary of the Iraq War, it's going to be a mass protest, Central Park, and I realize that they just passed this new legislation and it could be very dangerous to go, but I think it might be one of the last times we get to get out there And tell them that we're against it.

01:49:35.000 So if you could just pass on the March 20th mass demonstration in Central Park, that would be great.

01:49:40.000 I will.

01:49:40.000 Thanks for the call.

01:49:41.000 Great points.

01:49:42.000 This stuff all won't be implemented overnight, folks.

01:49:42.000 Very good.

01:49:45.000 We've got to get out there and stop them from implementing.

01:49:48.000 So don't be afraid.

01:49:50.000 Be afraid of fear.

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01:52:47.000 Next hour, we'll get into the implantable microchips as we'll get into the implantable microchips as the media keeps pushing on you with several other people out promoting it.

01:53:11.000 And Catherine Albrecht, who's fighting it. 0.99

01:53:14.000 We'll try to get John and Glenn in here at the end with Jack McClam.

01:53:18.000 Dr. Deagle's phone keeps breaking up, so I want to thank him for coming on, but he's gone now.

01:53:24.000 Again, Patriot Act 2 and the National ID Card passed the House yesterday.

01:53:28.000 The media acts like it's a foregone conclusion.

01:53:31.000 The Senate, getting its job done protecting us, doesn't tell you what's in it.

01:53:35.000 That's in the Senate right now, so try to at least get some media attention on this so people know what's happening.

01:53:41.000 Perhaps in the next Congress we can try to have these provisions repealed once people know what's happening.

01:53:48.000 John in Texas, go ahead, you're on the air.

01:53:52.000 I was wondering, they said that two towers fell because of all the aviation fuel burning in them.

01:53:58.000 But Tower 7 didn't have any aviation fuel burning in it, and it fell.

01:54:03.000 And if it fell just because it was on fire, how come all these other skyscrapers like in Chicago and South America aren't falling down all over the place?

01:54:09.000 Yeah, they just had that big fire and the building didn't collapse.

01:54:12.000 Look, Building 7 again wasn't hit by a plane.

01:54:16.000 And they say they blew it up.

01:54:17.000 I mean, it's... Jack, comments?

01:54:21.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:54:23.000 Their statement, Alex, tells us exactly what happened.

01:54:26.000 The public's not supposed to know about it, but all those buildings were blown up and brought down.

01:54:32.000 They controlled demolition.

01:54:37.000 And then the company controlled demolition, hauled the wreckage away, which was a crime scene.

01:54:42.000 Absolutely.

01:54:43.000 Anything else, John?

01:54:44.000 Yeah, I was just wondering, you know, because they said that the power fell because the fuel was so hot, but 7 didn't have fuel in it.

01:54:51.000 Well, how come people were standing in the holes for 20 minutes waving at helicopters?

01:54:56.000 The firefighters said the fires were almost out.

01:54:58.000 Send up more ladders!

01:55:01.000 Those buildings were brought down with controlled munitions.

01:55:06.000 It's totally clear.

01:55:07.000 I'm glad you're back with us, Dr. Deagle.

01:55:09.000 Thanks for the calls, John.

01:55:10.000 Glenn in Oregon.

01:55:11.000 Last caller.

01:55:11.000 Go ahead, Glenn.

01:55:12.000 Yeah, hi.

01:55:14.000 I just had a comment on the veteran and his gun.

01:55:18.000 Is he prevented from getting a new one?

01:55:21.000 I got 20 bucks toward the new one for him.

01:55:24.000 Yeah, well, he talked to the sheriff and he says, Sheriff, I need to protect myself from this criminal.

01:55:33.000 And he said, I'm going to go over to the next state, which is only not too far away.

01:55:37.000 And the sheriff says, you will be a criminal.

01:55:40.000 We will have to deal with that if you go over there and get a gun.

01:55:43.000 You'll be a criminal.

01:55:45.000 So, uh, I don't know if, uh, he, he, uh, we talked to our police and military association, talked to Congressman, uh, Blaine Evans' office this morning, and they said in Illinois, you can't have a gun even hanging on the wall like he had without a license for it.

01:56:02.000 So, uh, we're hoping that people will call the Congressman's office and apply some pressure to the local sheriff to go over there And if need be, we don't like this, but if need be, at least have him fill out the paperwork and expedite it so this man isn't sitting there at night again tonight, not sleeping, worrying about getting his throat cut.

01:56:23.000 Alright, thank you for the call.

01:56:25.000 Anything else, Glenn?

01:56:27.000 Alright, thank you.

01:56:29.000 Jack McClam, quickly, give us your website and the same thing Dr. Deagle.

01:56:32.000 Okay, ours is on policeandmilitaryagainsttheneworldorder.org.

01:56:38.000 Police and Military against the New World Order dot org.

01:56:42.000 Put a dash between each word, Alex.

01:56:46.000 Or just type it in.

01:56:47.000 Type Jack McClam, Police Against the New World Order.

01:56:49.000 It'll pop up on Google.

01:56:50.000 Dr. Dingell, real quick, your website?

01:56:53.000 Well, Nutrimedical, N-U-T-R-I-M-E-D-I-C-A-L dot com. 0.98

01:56:57.000 But the comment I want to make is get your materials now, anybody who's listening, because the time of liberty is drawing to an end.

01:57:05.000 This is the most serious topic that you've ever covered.

01:57:08.000 With this event, this is a Pearl Harbor event, and it's just like ground zero in terms of what's happened.

01:57:13.000 We're actually... It's like being Hiroshima.

01:57:16.000 Instead of nuclear bombs, this is a legal bomb that's been dropped on us.

01:57:20.000 And the news media won't even report what's in this legislation that's now in the Senate about to pass today.

01:57:25.000 Please call them.

01:57:26.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

01:57:27.000 Okay, thank you, Alex.

01:57:28.000 Thanks, Alex.

01:57:29.000 Take care, gentlemen.

01:57:30.000 God bless.

01:57:30.000 Third Hour coming up.

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01:57:41.000 Big Brother.

01:57:50.000 Mainstream media.

01:57:52.000 Government cover-ups.

01:57:54.000 You want answers?

01:57:55.000 Well, so does he.

01:57:57.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:58:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:08.000 In the early months of 2004, I interviewed one of the European distributors for Applied Digital Solutions, Berenship.

01:58:20.000 Out of the Baja Beach Club over in Spain.

01:58:24.000 They've also now opened them in Rotterdam and in England.

01:58:28.000 I believe it's London.

01:58:30.000 We broke some major news there because that hadn't been in the U.S.

01:58:32.000 newspapers and months later it all came out.

01:58:35.000 Very interesting about implantable chips under the skin to get into the VIP area with all the lovely ladies and for the women all the handsome bartenders. 0.95

01:58:45.000 You know, these are kind of those Upscale clubs and then a lot of TV shows like CSI Miami and others and oh everybody's getting the chip in Miami, you know the at the cool clubs and then Reality imitates art and art imitates reality Now we have a club in Florida that's doing this and we're honored to be joined by Kenneth Percy the owner of Amica loft and Club there in South Beach, Miami, I believe.

01:59:14.000 And then we have the distributor for it, Mark Barsh, with Metro Risk.

01:59:20.000 And I'm just incredibly honored to have these gentlemen on.

01:59:23.000 I know they're very busy right now, getting a lot of attention.

01:59:25.000 Good to have you on, Kenneth and Mark.

01:59:28.000 It's a pleasure to be on your show.

01:59:30.000 Same here.

01:59:32.000 Who is Kenneth?

01:59:34.000 Kenneth is right here.

01:59:35.000 Alright, and then the other is Mark.

01:59:37.000 Just first off, we're about to break, and then come back after the news.

01:59:40.000 We have a lot of stations that join us, but just each of you tell us, first Kenneth and then Mark, tell us in a nutshell who you are and what you're up to.

01:59:48.000 My name is Kenneth Percy, and I'm one of the owners of the Amica nightclub down in South Beach.

01:59:56.000 And we're incredibly excited to have this new technology that's going to make the VIP issues practically go away.

02:00:06.000 All right, VIP issues.

02:00:09.000 Mark, with Metro Risk, how are you involved?

02:00:14.000 Well, we started originally, I am the president of Metro Risk Management.

02:00:17.000 We handle the distribution of the product worldwide.

02:00:23.000 We started with trials in Baja Beach, Spain.

02:00:27.000 I noticed you mentioned it earlier.

02:00:30.000 Everything went well there.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, we were the first U.S.

02:00:34.000 outlet to report on that.

02:00:37.000 The Baja Beach, Spain was more of a trial.

02:00:40.000 We went full-blown with the Club Amica due to the fact that before we even do anything in the United States, we wanted to try how it would work.

02:00:48.000 Another place in Spain being a very hot place for nightclubs.

02:00:52.000 We decided to proceed with Baja Beach everything went well, so now we hooked up with a hot as my club in South Beach, Miami, Amica and As far as my understanding goes everything is going well Gonna be able to tell you more about How the progress is going if it's only been about a week and But as far as my understanding goes... Well, I want one of these!

02:01:18.000 How do I get one?

02:01:21.000 Well, number one, you can either go to Amica Nightclub.

02:01:25.000 They'll put you on the list and they'll start finding the proper place to have you directed to a local clinic.

02:01:32.000 What we call Chipping Centers. 0.98

02:01:34.000 And you'll be able to get one injected.

02:01:35.000 And from that point on... I love their little trademark logo tagline, Get Chipped Today!

02:01:42.000 Um, what do you mean by that?

02:01:44.000 Well, no, I mean that's what Applied Digital has.

02:01:47.000 They also have the chipmobiles.

02:01:49.000 Yeah, yeah, they have the chipmobiles which we were going to have at the club.

02:01:53.000 Due to mechanical factors we couldn't do it last Friday.

02:01:56.000 But yes, the TripMobile is a place like your average blood drive where you'd be able to walk in an RV and donate blood.

02:02:03.000 It works on the same principle, yes.

02:02:05.000 Well, gentlemen, we're about to break and we'll come back with a 15-minute segment and then that's all I'll keep you.

02:02:09.000 I know you're very busy.

02:02:10.000 We'll be back in three minutes and I just want to talk about why you decided to do this and what Metro Risk is doing.

02:02:17.000 I also want to talk to Kenneth Percy, one of the owners It's Amica is the name of the club?

02:02:24.000 Amica.

02:02:25.000 Amica.

02:02:26.000 I think I've heard of that club.

02:02:27.000 That's one of the hottest clubs in South Beach, isn't it?

02:02:31.000 Oh, anybody driving down Washington Avenue on Fridays, Saturdays, or even Sundays will see the long lines outside.

02:02:37.000 That's what we're hoping to take care of.

02:02:39.000 Absolutely amazing.

02:02:41.000 We'll talk about it when we get back.

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02:06:09.000 Wow, this is a riveting interview, folks.

02:06:12.000 We're talking to Kenneth Hersey, owner of Amica It's an incredibly exciting opportunity to be on the cutting edge of technology.

02:06:20.000 and then, of course, Mark Barsh, who is with Metro Risk.

02:06:25.000 And let's go first to Kenneth.

02:06:28.000 Kenneth, why did you decide to be the first club, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, in the U.S. to start the shipping centers for your VIPs?

02:06:39.000 Well, it's an incredibly exciting opportunity to be on the cutting edge of technology.

02:06:44.000 You have to understand, when a VIP comes to your club, he doesn't want to spend the time that others would spend online, getting out his credit card, proving who he is, giving up the financial information every single time he comes in.

02:06:58.000 With this brand new chip, he's in and out a couple of minutes, we have all the information that we need, and he's treated like the VIP that he is.

02:07:09.000 Amazing!

02:07:10.000 And then I was talking to Mark with Metro Risk, Mark Barsch.

02:07:17.000 Mark, exactly what is your position in Metro Risk?

02:07:21.000 I am the president and founder of Metro Risk.

02:07:24.000 Tell us about Metro Risk and how you were a distributor for Applied Digital.

02:07:30.000 Metro Risk, the risk control agency, I would say post 9-11 agency that specializes in mitigating loss and And all the problems that companies in, say, Latin America may encounter, such as kidnapping of executives, we specialize in the negotiation of the release factor and things of that nature.

02:07:54.000 The Verichip was a natural... Excuse me?

02:07:56.000 No, go ahead.

02:07:57.000 The Verichip was a natural... evolved into the product because of what its security ramifications are.

02:08:04.000 Due to the fact that it can not only be used for security, but as well as finance and Many other applications, it just happened to be bigger than what we originally had expected it to be.

02:08:16.000 Where we originally got involved in security, now we're dealing with the hottest nightclub in Miami, Amica.

02:08:23.000 Tomorrow we're dealing with government agencies in Latin America to be able to implement it in their security structure.

02:08:30.000 Now let me bring this up here because during the break I had a chance to talk to both of you gentlemen and I brought the question or the comment, are you aware that The Attorney General said to some of his employees, you know, you need to take this ship to get into secure areas in Mexico.

02:08:44.000 And you said you were aware of that, Mark.

02:08:46.000 That was in the security area, though, and that you were going to be involved in Latin America.

02:08:50.000 Others picking up on this.

02:08:51.000 Can you tell us about that?

02:08:53.000 Again, the structure and the idea that we originally had in Metro Risk is always find little niches to be able to try out the system.

02:09:04.000 Much like we did with Baja Beach nightclub in Spain.

02:09:08.000 Our counterparts in Mexico found the Attorney General in Mexico.

02:09:12.000 But the main goal is to be able to implement it again for security areas here in the United States.

02:09:19.000 And you have the chipmobiles.

02:09:21.000 What areas of the country are the Verichip chipmobiles active? 0.66

02:09:26.000 And then how many clinic chipping centers, as you call them, how many chipping centers and how many chipmobiles?

02:09:34.000 Well, chipmobiles, keep in mind, a chipmobile right now was an effort from Applied Digital to be able to have a mobile shipping center.

02:09:43.000 As far as my understanding, that is an Applied Digital asset.

02:09:48.000 My understanding, I think they only have one.

02:09:50.000 But I couldn't say that they have throughout the United States.

02:09:53.000 And the United States... They reported that they had shipping centers already in different areas of the country.

02:09:58.000 Yes, we're already negotiating with different hospitals throughout the country.

02:10:01.000 We have a business model of My understanding of donating close to about 200 scanners through emergency rooms throughout the country.

02:10:09.000 We've only had FDA approval for medical purposes, I would say, the last 30 days.

02:10:14.000 Yeah, the FDA a few months ago approved it.

02:10:17.000 So we're moving cautiously, taking one step at a time, building this, because for medical applications it's a lot different than, for example, financial or nightclubs.

02:10:27.000 So we're already talking, we're already implementing the technology throughout the country at Ashley Hospital.

02:10:31.000 Clinics would be our second approach on it.

02:10:35.000 Right now the only way we're proceeding is with hospitals.

02:10:37.000 I couldn't give you the exact number, but I can tell you that The fastest moving states would be Florida, New York, and California.

02:10:45.000 I have a cousin who's in Special Forces.

02:10:47.000 He's an officer, been in 18 years, now 19 years, and he told me that they were told two years ago that they were all going to be getting chips soon, and then I've also confirmed from sources that in a covert operation, already a lot of the Special Forces have gotten chips.

02:11:03.000 Were you aware of that?

02:11:06.000 I couldn't comment anything about that.

02:11:07.000 I am not aware of anything like that.

02:11:09.000 Now is it you can either confirm or deny or you're not aware of it?

02:11:13.000 I'm not aware of it.

02:11:15.000 Now you say there's different groups who are distributors for this.

02:11:20.000 You are a main distributor in what facet for Verichip?

02:11:26.000 Our position with Verichip is we're the largest distributor for the manufacturer of the product.

02:11:34.000 Everybody else Pretty much is following pace to what we do.

02:11:37.000 And the chip is manufactured, correct, in a factory outside Beijing?

02:11:42.000 My understanding of that is incorrect.

02:11:46.000 Where are they manufactured?

02:11:46.000 Oh, really?

02:11:49.000 They're actually manufactured in FDA approved facilities and I believe there's a manufacturer, I believe it's Ryden, which is in Spain.

02:11:59.000 Okay, because in a Apply Digital press release a year ago, and we have this on our website, they said they were building a plant in Beijing.

02:12:09.000 I'm just curious.

02:12:10.000 Keep in mind, this was about a year ago maybe.

02:12:13.000 My understanding of it today, that information is not correct, but then again, I may not be pretty sure.

02:12:20.000 But you had heard that too though?

02:12:22.000 No.

02:12:23.000 Oh, you never heard that.

02:12:24.000 I've got a question here for Kenneth Percy, one of the owners of Amica, one of the hottest clubs there in South Beach, Miami.

02:12:34.000 Kenneth, how did you find out about this?

02:12:36.000 How did you decide to do this?

02:12:38.000 Well, actually, we were approached by Mark and he said, listen, he's got an agency and he'd love to put it in our club.

02:12:46.000 And after we spoke to him about it, it's a natural fit.

02:12:50.000 I mean, it cuts down your transaction time, cuts down on the fraud, That's down on the usual rigmarole that's associated with getting into a club that has three to four hundred people waiting to get in on the outside.

02:13:02.000 Did you know that with CSI Miami a month or so ago, they even had an episode where in Miami there's a nightclub where you get chips?

02:13:09.000 Yeah, I was aware of that actually.

02:13:11.000 Wow, it's, it's, man, it's like, I don't think I've ever seen this much news coverage on something.

02:13:16.000 Maybe on Arnold for President or something we've seen this much promotion, but it's just, it's just all over the place, so... It's a self-promoting product.

02:13:25.000 Yeah, when is the chipping going to start? 0.92

02:13:29.000 I understand we actually have people in line already today to get chipped.

02:13:34.000 Oh, the chipping?

02:13:35.000 The chipping is going on right now?

02:13:36.000 Well, it's going to be going on tonight.

02:13:40.000 So, if the media came down there to South Beach, there at the Amica Club and Lounge, they could cover the chipping going on?

02:13:54.000 Barring any mechanical difficulties with the chipmobile, as it happened last week?

02:13:58.000 Absolutely.

02:13:59.000 Oh, there was a mechanical difficulty with the chipmobile?

02:14:01.000 Had a car breakdown.

02:14:02.000 I saw some video of it on the news.

02:14:05.000 It looks brand new and pretty fancy.

02:14:08.000 Listen, I can't comment on what happened, but I know that we had a mechanical breakdown with the chipmobile.

02:14:15.000 Why did you announce the time for people to come get it and there wasn't anybody there to get chips?

02:14:19.000 Uh, we had plenty of people actually waiting to get the technology.

02:14:22.000 How many lined up?

02:14:23.000 I'm curious.

02:14:25.000 Uh, that I spoke to, we had over a dozen.

02:14:27.000 Over a dozen people?

02:14:28.000 Now, now what's the VIP area like, uh, Kenneth?

02:14:31.000 I mean, what do I get when I get my chip?

02:14:35.000 It allows you to go upstairs without, basically pretty much without waiting in line and without getting picked from a line.

02:14:41.000 Because what, it's basically getting a pre-approval to be part of the VIP crowd.

02:14:46.000 You know, I had the, uh, It's basically having your clientele verified prior to them coming to the club.

02:14:55.000 I think it's a fantastic idea.

02:14:56.000 there in Spain and he said he saw a time in the future when you wouldn't be able to get in period without the chip.

02:15:03.000 It's basically having your clientele verified prior to them coming to the club.

02:15:09.000 So you see a time coming when you'll have to have the chip?

02:15:12.000 I think it's a fantastic idea.

02:15:13.000 You don't even have to carry your wallet anymore.

02:15:16.000 If you have this technology in your arm, if you have this chip in your arm, breathe right in, never worry about losing your credit cards, your wallet, having anything stolen.

02:15:25.000 What about people who say that, you know, this is Big Brother, or people who say this is the mark of the beast?

02:15:31.000 Don't forget, the information contained, or associated with the bearer chip, is only that that you provide.

02:15:38.000 But then that number, when the government uses it, is connected to the database.

02:15:42.000 Sorry?

02:15:43.000 Well, I mean, any number, a driver's license number, a social security number, a chip number, can be then connected to any level of database.

02:15:50.000 It's no different than what exists now.

02:15:51.000 It's just a new form of the technology and associated information.

02:15:58.000 Well, that's... people are pretty excited about it.

02:16:03.000 Now, going back to Mark, Mark, the head of Metro Risk, What type of industry growth are you guys looking at here with this?

02:16:17.000 Let me put it this way.

02:16:18.000 We're extremely excited.

02:16:21.000 I couldn't give you a number because the potential for it in different areas is incredible.

02:16:27.000 Yeah, Alzheimer's patients.

02:16:28.000 Did you see the Reuters article a couple years ago when they were going to do a contract with the Bureau of Prisons in California for parolees, but for some reason that fell through.

02:16:36.000 Were you aware of that?

02:16:38.000 No.

02:16:40.000 I wasn't aware of that, but we are aware of the medical industry.

02:16:44.000 The United States is what we would consider our primary target throughout the world.

02:16:50.000 Medical, security, finance, the ramifications down the road are just simply... I can't calculate them to be fair.

02:16:58.000 Well, I think Kenneth was saying it.

02:16:59.000 I mean, you're talking about no more wallets, no more nothing.

02:17:03.000 Just, I guess everybody will have the chip.

02:17:05.000 That's correct.

02:17:06.000 Well, the idea is this.

02:17:07.000 It is a voluntary device.

02:17:10.000 It's not meant to be forced upon anybody.

02:17:13.000 But the uses of the device go, for example, you're walking down the street, you have your credit card, you can leave your house with just your, a female can just leave her house with her lipstick, just to look beautiful. 0.53

02:17:23.000 She doesn't have to worry about a credit card.

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02:17:26.000 Tell you what, stay there.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, and everything's going to RFID.

02:17:29.000 It'll just be scanned at the gas pump or at McDonald's, wherever.

02:17:33.000 Stay there, gentlemen, both of you.

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02:22:19.000 For the Amica Loft Lounge and Discotheque, it's www.amicamiami.com.

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02:22:41.000 Okay, gentlemen, I've got a lady coming on right now, and with our phone problems today, we'll see how this works. 1.00

02:22:47.000 She's Catherine Albrecht, she's with Caspian, expert there at Harvard right now, on the cards, on the chips, on the RFID, and she's got a couple questions for you on this subject.

02:23:01.000 Catherine Albrecht, you're on the air, of course, from nocards.org with our two guests who've been kind enough to come on with us.

02:23:09.000 Thanks for joining us, Catherine.

02:23:10.000 You've got questions for them, they've got answers.

02:23:12.000 Go ahead. - Hey Alex, hi Kenneth, hi Mark.

02:23:15.000 Quick question actually for both of you.

02:23:18.000 I'm wondering what sort of waiver forms you've been given by the folks that apply digital solutions that have to be signed by people who are about to be chipped, I guess this evening. - I haven't given any forms. - Is that Kenneth answering there?

02:23:32.000 Yes.

02:23:32.000 Okay, so now do they come out and do the chipping themselves?

02:23:35.000 So you're just providing the facilities and then the Applied Digital folks do the chipping?

02:23:40.000 Actually, I'm basically providing an outlet for people to know about it and to use it in a real setting.

02:23:48.000 And are they actually sending out a clinician or someone in a white lab coat to do the chipping right there in front of your crowd tonight?

02:23:56.000 I don't think it would be in front of the crowd.

02:23:57.000 If anything, it would have to be in the chipmobile.

02:24:00.000 Okay, because I know in some of the photographs that I've seen from the Baja Beach Clubs both in Spain and of course in the Netherlands, it looks like it's kind of a sort of a big ringside show there with everybody getting chipped in front of the crowd.

02:24:13.000 So, yeah, and then the question, let me direct that to you, Mark.

02:24:18.000 Are you familiar with any kind of waiver or form that has to be signed before people take the chip?

02:24:23.000 Absolutely.

02:24:25.000 Each person who's getting chipped has to, the process of getting chipped is not a complex one, but there's certain steps.

02:24:33.000 For example, there's a form that needs to be filled out with the personal information.

02:24:36.000 Then we, what we do is we have a second stage, we validate that information, the basic stuff, such as name, address, social security.

02:24:43.000 And that's connected to the info number on there so they know who you are, but Catherine, you had specific questions about an MRI.

02:24:50.000 Well, actually, yeah, I had a couple questions.

02:24:51.000 One, you're linking it up with the information, obviously, so that they can make their payments through using the device.

02:24:56.000 Am I right there?

02:24:57.000 That's correct.

02:24:58.000 Okay.

02:24:59.000 And then the other piece was just in terms of some of the medical risks associated with taking this device, which according to the FDA, when they approved this device on October 12th, those risks included, for example, an incompatibility with an MRI or a magnetic resonance imaging machine.

02:25:15.000 At the time, we're considering a non- Uh, but it's not meant to be used for somebody who at the moment is going to be getting an MRI.

02:25:25.000 So it's non-compliant with MRI.

02:25:27.000 That's correct.

02:25:28.000 Okay, so I guess these folks who are getting these implants may actually have to wear medical alert bracelets of some sort.

02:25:35.000 Tell them what the FDA says happens when you have one of these in you and you go under a magnetic resonance machine.

02:25:41.000 Well, we actually found a letter from the FDA to the folks at Applied Digital and Digital Angel about this device and essentially they had a whole host of health problems.

02:25:50.000 One of them, people don't realize an MRI machine is a very powerful magnet and it also creates a very powerful radio frequency field.

02:25:57.000 So for both of those reasons this is incompatible because The Verichip has a ferrous or an iron-based core.

02:26:04.000 And if you go inside of an MRI machine, there's some speculation that the MRI may actually suck the device right out of the patient, or out of, I guess it would be a patient inside of an MRI machine.

02:26:13.000 Also, migration of the chip.

02:26:16.000 They admit that there can be migration of it.

02:26:18.000 Gentlemen, are people being told about migration of the chip?

02:26:22.000 Negative.

02:26:22.000 There can't be no migration because there is a chemical device, I mean a chemical that's called BioBond.

02:26:27.000 It works as scar tissue, wherever it gets injected into the body.

02:26:30.000 It's got little kind of barbs on it.

02:26:33.000 Uh, no.

02:26:34.000 It looks like a little glue.

02:26:35.000 Um, what happens is... I mean, microscopically, I think I saw a blow-up of it.

02:26:39.000 It's like a little, like Kuckelberg.

02:26:41.000 It has a little abrasive areas to hook into the flesh. 0.87

02:26:44.000 No, no.

02:26:45.000 That's wrong?

02:26:46.000 Okay, explain it to me.

02:26:47.000 It's a chemical coating.

02:26:49.000 And, uh, it, uh, you would look, it looks a little bit like wax.

02:26:53.000 On one of the ends of the chip.

02:26:55.000 It's polypropylene, if I can jump in.

02:26:57.000 Yeah, it's a polypropylene coating.

02:27:00.000 That is correct.

02:27:00.000 We have a picture of it up on our website at spychips.com if you want to take a look.

02:27:04.000 You can see it does look quite a bit like wax.

02:27:06.000 That's correct.

02:27:07.000 And what happens when it's injected, it works as scar tissue and it prevents it from moving anywhere in the body.

02:27:12.000 Tell you what, ten more minutes with you gentlemen and with you Catherine.

02:27:15.000 Stay there please.

02:27:16.000 This is riveting information for people.

02:27:18.000 Just want to cover all the facets of this and then we'll discuss it.

02:27:24.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

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02:30:43.000 I remember eight years ago getting Army documents of the plan to chip the entire population.

02:30:59.000 And then back in 2000, even having it on their main website and linking to army.mil, and people still couldn't believe it.

02:31:05.000 And my cousin two years ago told me they'd all been told that within the next few years, and now we've reached that point, they'd be getting chips.

02:31:12.000 And after 9-11, the wall-to-wall promotion, the family in Florida getting the chips, and Now in Mexico, and we're just talking to Mark Barsh of Metro Risk, just one of the companies globally out distributing.

02:31:26.000 He's talking to all these Latin American countries about going with this.

02:31:30.000 They've had Brazilian politicians take the chip, even before Mexican ones did it.

02:31:35.000 There's talk in Italy about this happening.

02:31:39.000 Meanwhile, we have Arnold Schwarzenegger and all these other governors promoting satellite trackers or transponders in the cars to track us everywhere we go.

02:31:47.000 There's a proliferation of this, and we talked to Kenneth Percy, one of the owners of Amica Club there in Miami, and he's like, yeah, I see a time when you'll need this to get into the club, period.

02:31:59.000 That's what the other club manager said from Spain.

02:32:04.000 And so we see where all of this is trending and going.

02:32:07.000 I mean, if somebody wants to go stick one of these in themselves, A biometric face scanner thumbprint does the same thing.

02:32:14.000 That's their business, and I see those as just as dangerous.

02:32:18.000 But just this pell-mell push by the media, all positive about it, but in major polls, 90 plus percent of people are firmly against it.

02:32:27.000 Gentlemen, do you have any comments to what I just said?

02:32:31.000 It's an individual thing.

02:32:33.000 If somebody wants it, it's just purely for convenience as far as the nightlife industry is concerned.

02:32:38.000 Yeah, but if you want to be in the military, you'll have to have it.

02:32:41.000 Or if you want to work at the Mexican Consulate, or if you want to work in the CIA, you'll have to have it.

02:32:46.000 I mean, we already see the government saying, yeah, you don't have to have a job.

02:32:50.000 You don't have to have a license, but we need a license for you to have a job.

02:32:53.000 We'll see the next step is the chip.

02:32:55.000 I think that's taking it to the extreme.

02:32:57.000 To the extreme?

02:32:59.000 I think having people being implanted with chips in the nightclubs is extreme.

02:33:05.000 One would hope.

02:33:06.000 One would hope.

02:33:08.000 One would hope it was extreme?

02:33:10.000 Sure.

02:33:10.000 Absolutely.

02:33:11.000 Don't forget, we're in the entertainment industry.

02:33:14.000 And actually, it's a pure benefit for your VIP clientele who don't feel like carrying around a wallet or their credit cards or any ID for that matter.

02:33:22.000 So it's like something different?

02:33:24.000 Yeah, but they go in and the scanner's got to come over and scan them and check it like you're a toaster on the shelf at Walmart with an RFID sticker on it.

02:33:24.000 Absolutely.

02:33:36.000 It would happen at the point of sale anyway.

02:33:38.000 So rather than giving your credit card to the bartender, you just put out your arm or put out your shoulder and you get a second scan.

02:33:46.000 Catherine Albrecht, you know, first the Associated Press reported 100, then 300, then 1,000.

02:33:52.000 had gotten it down in Mexico.

02:33:54.000 You've gotten information that that's not true.

02:33:56.000 We know Verichip first claimed they had all these hospitals taking their readers.

02:34:00.000 It turned out that was two years ago that that wasn't the case.

02:34:03.000 Now they said they got the Mexicans to take them, but you got some different numbers.

02:34:07.000 It's not 300 or 1,000.

02:34:09.000 What's the number you got?

02:34:10.000 It's actually 18 members of the Attorney General's staff in Mexico that have been chipped.

02:34:15.000 That's correct.

02:34:16.000 Yeah.

02:34:17.000 But I can pull up 100 stories that said 300 and even higher.

02:34:22.000 Yeah, in fact, USA Today, the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, all of the major media got it wrong, including myself.

02:34:30.000 But we issued a press release a few months back and just parroted the number we've been given, which was 160.

02:34:35.000 And the AP and others said they got that from Applied Digital.

02:34:38.000 Applied Digital also, a couple years ago, I had their CEO, I had their Chief Scientist on four years ago, they said that they had all these hospitals taking it.

02:34:47.000 But where are the hospitals with the readers?

02:34:50.000 They called the hospitals, one of the Miami Papers, didn't they?

02:34:54.000 They said, we don't have those readers.

02:34:56.000 They got sued in a class action suit by their investors for that, by the way, Alex.

02:35:00.000 And in fact, they had to settle to the tune of millions of dollars because they were Not at all.

02:35:05.000 misrepresenting their marketing. - Now I know we've got a distributor and a club owner doing this.

02:35:10.000 I wouldn't even connect them to that.

02:35:11.000 You guys are just distributors, or one of you is a consumer, one of you is a distributor.

02:35:16.000 Were you aware of all that? - Not at all.

02:35:19.000 We were aware of several of the points that have been mentioned, but keep in mind that that is internally with ADS.

02:35:27.000 Metro Risk is an independent company, and MECA is an independent company.

02:35:31.000 No, no, we're making that clear.

02:35:33.000 I'm just saying, we all saw the news, 150, 300, 1,000 got the chip, and this information, you know, is coming from quarters that, again, all these hospitals had it.

02:35:45.000 Well, if you ask me, you have to take into consideration several factors.

02:35:49.000 For example, let's take the comments from the Attorney General in Mexico.

02:35:53.000 At one point in time, I was only impressed that it was 160 also.

02:35:55.000 Yeah, there were quotes by him, so why is he doing that?

02:35:59.000 My understanding is that it was a project meant to chip 160.

02:36:02.000 Again, this is what my understanding goes.

02:36:05.000 The amount of people at the time right now is only 18, and she's absolutely correct. 1.00

02:36:10.000 But they were on the news going, you don't get in the building in the secure area unless you have this.

02:36:15.000 With people going, well, I guess I'll do it then.

02:36:17.000 I mean, that isn't forced chipping.

02:36:20.000 That wasn't the only exaggeration at the point.

02:36:22.000 At the point, as a matter of fact, you guys are even forgetting that the gentleman not only said that you need the chip to get into the place, but you could also track them through GPS, which is absolutely not true.

02:36:33.000 Well, they could with a high-powered reader boosting the satellite at ground-based level.

02:36:37.000 I don't know about that.

02:36:39.000 But in my experience, the technology lends itself not only to save lives and be a great product, but also to be exaggerated.

02:36:50.000 But the Pentagon's coming out with smart dust that can be read by satellite.

02:36:55.000 Yes, radioactive equipment.

02:36:58.000 It's not that they're just coming out with something that's been out, but if you ask me, in reference to the exaggerations out there with numbers, let it be how many hospitals at the time, I can only tell you the numbers in which Metro Risk has been involved.

02:37:14.000 I can only tell you the different projects... Okay, how many people has Metro Risk chipped?

02:37:20.000 Right now, as a matter of fact, in the United States, we haven't shipped anybody.

02:37:24.000 That's what I mean.

02:37:24.000 This is just ongoing.

02:37:25.000 All these different companies, just year after year, chip, chip, chip, chip, chip, chip, chip.

02:37:30.000 But I look at the numbers, it looks like a lot of people don't want, it's not like people are beating down the doors.

02:37:34.000 Negative.

02:37:36.000 We do have a large amount of people who are interested.

02:37:38.000 Well, I know you're new in this.

02:37:39.000 I'm talking about the other people.

02:37:41.000 Well, I've been at this for about a year and a half.

02:37:43.000 And the only thing is that in the United States, because of its society and because of the all potential lawsuits, we have to proceed with certain caution.

02:37:51.000 Yeah, you just got FDA approval.

02:37:53.000 Exactly.

02:37:54.000 Amica being the top nightclub, we have to proceed with certain caution.

02:37:58.000 For example, we're not going to get anybody tripped in the bathroom or in such a circus way like they did in Baja Beach in Spain, even though it was a project that we undertook.

02:38:08.000 We have no control of what was happening at the hospital.

02:38:10.000 The reason why we had to take it with amicus is because it could be done much better and in the proper way.

02:38:15.000 Okay, Mark, any comments from Kenneth?

02:38:17.000 Do you want to say anything here, or Catherine?

02:38:19.000 Well, I agree 100%.

02:38:20.000 I mean, this is still a quasi-medical procedure, and it's still voluntary, and it's done from the nightlife point of view, purely as an added value to make your experience easier.

02:38:34.000 Yeah, what it is, is you've got the trendies, They don't know their head from a hole in the ground.

02:38:39.000 I just saw this on CSI Miami.

02:38:41.000 And so now they're going to feel like ultra elitists because they got this.

02:38:45.000 Oh, that and you don't have to turn your wallet.

02:38:46.000 Amica actually brings a better clientele than that.

02:38:49.000 So if you ask me, no, that wouldn't apply in Amica.

02:38:53.000 I mean, these folks, I mean, to me, there is no way I'm ever taking a chip.

02:38:59.000 And that's my opinion, that somebody doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground, and they'll take one of these ships.

02:39:05.000 Well, how about somebody who has Alzheimer's?

02:39:07.000 How about somebody who legitimately has a need?

02:39:10.000 How about somebody with diabetes who's under constant medical attention?

02:39:14.000 Can I jump in and respond to that?

02:39:15.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:39:16.000 And actually, Kenneth, this is information that these folks may not have shared with you before you agreed to allow your visit.

02:39:21.000 You just made my point, though, Catherine.

02:39:23.000 Sorry.

02:39:23.000 Go ahead and make your point, Catherine.

02:39:26.000 Sure, this is from the FDA letter that was issued on October 12th, the same day that they gave the approval of this device for medical purposes.

02:39:34.000 It says the potential risks to health associated with the device are adverse tissue reaction, migration of implanted transponder, compromised information security, failure of implanted transponder, failure of inserter, failure of electronic scanner, electromagnetic interference, electrical hazards, Yeah, and the groups know where these chips are going, the two implant areas.

02:39:56.000 What's to stop a kidnapper from grabbing it out and using it?

02:40:01.000 From gouging it out and using it?

02:40:03.000 Pardon me?

02:40:07.000 Pretty macabre, if you ask me.

02:40:09.000 Well, that's what kidnappers are.

02:40:10.000 They are macabre.

02:40:11.000 Yeah, but that has nothing to do with going to a nice club in Miami Beach.

02:40:15.000 Yeah, but as this proliferates, what you... I mean, Mark, you were saying for kidnappings and security issues in Latin America, where it's obviously a real threat.

02:40:25.000 That's the problem with thumbs... Let me stop you.

02:40:27.000 That's the problem with the thumb scanner.

02:40:28.000 They just cut somebody's thumb off, they got it.

02:40:31.000 Yeah, we can see... We've had security experts look at all this biometrics and stuff.

02:40:35.000 This is actually worse.

02:40:38.000 I don't agree.

02:40:39.000 What about people having a reader?

02:40:41.000 They can just scan you and get your code.

02:40:45.000 It doesn't work that way.

02:40:46.000 The code just doesn't do anything unless you have access to the database.

02:40:51.000 Kathryn, you got any comments to this?

02:40:54.000 You were telling me during our break that Apply Digital, I haven't seen this but I'm sure you have if you're saying it, that Apply Digital is claiming that you can't extract this and use it.

02:41:03.000 Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

02:41:04.000 I've done several radio interviews with Applied Digital and television interviews as well, but one of the things that they've said is that, oh, well, don't worry.

02:41:11.000 If it's removed from the person's body, it will no longer function.

02:41:15.000 Mark, do you have any comments to that?

02:41:18.000 The chip is, of course, it's obvious it's going to function, because I mean, by removing it from the body, it doesn't necessarily mean that the device is disabled.

02:41:27.000 This is the executive at Applied Digital saying that.

02:41:31.000 Perhaps what they mean is, and then again, in my experience with the media is, one, there's always two ways to look at things.

02:41:38.000 Yes, somebody gets extracted, the chip gets extracted from somebody's arm.

02:41:42.000 What happens is it also gets deactivated from the database.

02:41:45.000 So, yes, by simple... If the person tells them.

02:41:49.000 No, I mean by simple... Well, yeah.

02:41:51.000 Say you get it removed without applied digital knowing, then we got a grant that a possibility of something happening for the simple fact that... Well, the kidnappers aren't going to call up and go, hey, I took the chip out of her arm.

02:42:05.000 Well, the other thing that's interesting, I got an email from a gentleman in Scandinavia, who is an engineer who works for one of their big telephone companies up there, an electrical engineer, and he said, you know, these folks at Applied Digital are really snowing you.

02:42:21.000 He said, I could take a handheld reader device, capture the number off of any VeriChip implant, and within a period of a day, I could have an army of that identical number available to chip and implant into other people.

02:42:35.000 Why hasn't he done it?

02:42:36.000 Well, I guess he doesn't really have an incentive.

02:42:38.000 Well, it's simple.

02:42:38.000 It's like I could scan a barcode and then duplicate the barcode.

02:42:42.000 I've heard so many people say they can do so many things.

02:42:45.000 But the reality is... Wait a minute.

02:42:46.000 I mean, the resident's code number can be scanned in red and then duplicated in the tiny transceiver.

02:42:52.000 These chips are programmable, so why couldn't I do that?

02:42:55.000 One thing is... Let me just explain something.

02:42:58.000 You guys are looking at the chip as the problem, but the chip is just one factor.

02:43:02.000 And a group of... as part of a security system, per se.

02:43:06.000 For example, the chip inside a person just merely identifies that person with a number, but it doesn't have any medical or any credit card information on the chip.

02:43:14.000 But that's what the company's saying they want to develop it into!

02:43:17.000 Financial, medical, security?

02:43:21.000 The chip again is for identification.

02:43:23.000 If I want to go into Kenneth's nightclub and charge up a bunch of liquor, all I would have to do would be scan one of his chipped patrons, duplicate one of their chips, put it in my own arm, and I could go in and run up that person's bar tab. 0.99

02:43:35.000 Yeah, you still have to sign, with all due respect, you still have to sign a tab and a bill.

02:43:42.000 This is pointless!

02:43:46.000 Why can't I just swipe my debit card, bang my pin there, it's got my picture on it, and all this chipping makes all the other Big Brother stuff look okay.

02:43:56.000 Face scanning, thumb scanning, ID cards.

02:43:58.000 Catherine, isn't that what this is really all about?

02:44:00.000 Why the media and the government keeps pushing it?

02:44:03.000 I will say that there's a lot of people with a lot of interest in being able to track people all the time and this would certainly be one way to do it.

02:44:09.000 We can track it already as it is right now.

02:44:11.000 Yeah, but just because we can track, that's what I'm saying.

02:44:13.000 All the other stuff is bad too.

02:44:14.000 I'm just not knocking the chip.

02:44:17.000 I'm sorry, but everybody I know carries around a cell number with a cell phone with them.

02:44:21.000 They could be tracked that way.

02:44:22.000 The chip has to be a proximity device.

02:44:25.000 in order for it to work exactly I'm not a problem we got a problem we're two tracked we're big brother land that is getting worse well yeah the main thing I want to get to the bottom of here and since we've got Kenneth on the whole phone and he's been kind enough to talk to us about this is really are you concerned that some of one of your patrons might wind up down the road needing an MRI and being unable to get one because they have this device in their flesh It'd be no different than somebody having an artificial hip or an artificial knee.

02:44:53.000 What if they're in a big car wreck?

02:44:57.000 What if they're in a big car wreck, and then they go in, they're doing an MRI, and they don't know that chip's in there?

02:45:03.000 With all due respect... Well, if it isn't a problem, Kenneth, why'd the FDA say it was a problem?

02:45:08.000 I can't comment on why the FDA would say anything.

02:45:10.000 Again, it's no different than having any other kind of medical device implanted in you.

02:45:14.000 But you're not implanting people as a medical device, you're implanting it in them as a way to pay for their drink.

02:45:20.000 Actually, without implanting anything, what we are doing is giving people the avenue of using that chip in a different kind of way.

02:45:28.000 But an artificial hip I might need in order to walk, a chip, I could just as easily scan my credit card.

02:45:34.000 I guess the real question is are people aware of the risk that they're running and are people at age 21 or 22 really thinking long-term about their need for future medical care and are they really thinking long-term about whether this is going to be incompatible with an MRI and then how are they going to get the darn thing out again when they need that MRI down the road?

02:45:51.000 The same way they put it back in.

02:45:53.000 It's really not that difficult to get it out.

02:45:55.000 You mean the needle injector can also be used as an extractor?

02:45:58.000 Negative.

02:45:59.000 It's just for a medical procedure.

02:46:01.000 Yes, an actual opening.

02:46:05.000 You're going to have to do an incision and then open the flaps to get into the subcutaneous layer.

02:46:13.000 Are you familiar with anyone ever having had one of these extracted from their flesh?

02:46:17.000 Yes.

02:46:19.000 Who was that?

02:46:19.000 Was that Mark?

02:46:21.000 Yeah.

02:46:21.000 And could you give us the details on that?

02:46:24.000 Of how it works?

02:46:25.000 Yeah.

02:46:25.000 As a matter of fact, they just explained it right now.

02:46:28.000 You have to get anesthetic, an incision has to be made, and then it simply gets pulled out.

02:46:33.000 Mark, you're saying... Hold on a second.

02:46:35.000 This is important.

02:46:36.000 Thank you for joining us.

02:46:37.000 Are you saying you had a chip removed?

02:46:39.000 No, I never said that.

02:46:40.000 Okay, well, I'm asking... Okay, she was asking, do you know of someone... Why did they have the chip removed?

02:46:47.000 Well, because we were migrating from one chip to another.

02:46:51.000 There are several models of chips that are out there.

02:46:53.000 The chip that's up for money right now is Neon Leaf.

02:46:56.000 For identification, it's just a number.

02:47:01.000 Gentlemen, anything else you'd like to add?

02:47:02.000 Catherine, any other questions?

02:47:04.000 No, I'd like to add one quick thing.

02:47:06.000 The only thing I've been able to find about having a chip removed, and I'd love to find information about that if that's been published in any journals or anywhere that regular folks can find out about how difficult it is to remove it, but I do have a document here about chipping racehorses.

02:47:21.000 And of course we all know that the Verichip is essentially an animal chip that's being used for human purposes.

02:47:26.000 It's the same one they put in pets and dogs and racehorses.

02:47:29.000 And while they were able to inject it into the horses in the field, just standing out there, to remove it actually required a team of veterinary surgeons and a full veterinary theater.

02:47:37.000 And they put the horse under full anesthesia and even then had difficulty locating the chip.

02:47:43.000 I'll work for a large animal vet.

02:47:46.000 It just doesn't make sense.

02:47:47.000 You need a large team when you can just simply locate it with I worked for a high-level vet who did artificial dissemination, embryo flushes, implantation, I mean in a laboratory when I was a teenager.

02:47:56.000 Well, this thing had actually migrated, so.

02:47:58.000 Yeah, listen, listen.

02:48:00.000 I worked for a high-level vet who did artificial insemination, embryo flushes, implantation, I mean in a laboratory, okay, when I was a teenager.

02:48:11.000 And let me just tell you, the chips back then, this is, you know, this is 15 years ago, the chips back then, they would read them before they put them in, and when they put them in that animal, there was never, you know, the idea that they'd be able to get that chip out.

02:48:29.000 I Again, when it was 15 years ago.

02:48:32.000 Yeah.

02:48:35.000 Gentlemen, anything else?

02:48:36.000 It's been a pleasure being on your show.

02:48:39.000 Gentlemen, c'est la vie.

02:48:40.000 I hope you wake up and aren't part of this anymore.

02:48:42.000 Catherine, stay there please.

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02:54:29.000 I'd be happy to stay on with you and your listeners, Alex.

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02:54:51.000 Well, you know, I've been to 1,100 around the world.

02:54:54.000 I've seen 1,000 in Mexico.

02:54:55.000 You know, the real bottom line here is that these companies have a long history of lying to the public, lying to their investors.

02:55:02.000 If they got sued and lost over lying about the hospitals, why are they doing it again?

02:55:06.000 Well, and they're blaming their Mexican affiliate, their Mexican distributor.

02:55:10.000 They're saying they had nothing to do with it.

02:55:11.000 What I think is interesting, though, is you can go on our website at spychips.com.

02:55:15.000 You can click up this article, which is featured right on the very front page there.

02:55:19.000 And if you scroll down to the bottom, you can actually see a link to their website where they continue to carry articles from Businessweek and other publications boasting about the $160.

02:55:27.000 And that's in their press section.

02:55:29.000 Of course, that information is there to impress investors so that they can get even more money flowing into their coffers.

02:55:35.000 Last time I checked, though, their stock wasn't doing too well.

02:55:38.000 Their stock actually took a huge bounce.

02:55:40.000 It went way up after the FDA announcement and of course after they were featured on a number of nationwide television programs that were positive.

02:55:47.000 I remember last time a few years ago, though, when they did the public chipping of that family, it plunged, but I guess now it's going back up.

02:55:54.000 Yeah, I believe it went up 60% after the FDA approval.

02:55:58.000 So what, is it worth $4 now?

02:56:00.000 You know, I haven't been tracking it that closely, but yeah, it's somewhere in that range.

02:56:03.000 Two years ago, it was like $0.80.

02:56:05.000 Well, they did what's called a reverse stock split, where 10 shares of stock turned into a single share of stock in order to keep it from being sort of the pathetic $0.35 stock.

02:56:15.000 They merged it a while back.

02:56:17.000 Bottom line, they're selling it.

02:56:19.000 The people aren't buying it.

02:56:20.000 They're just going to keep selling it.

02:56:22.000 Well, I think that's it.

02:56:24.000 I realize that the folks they can get to do it are these nightclub goers. 1.00

02:56:27.000 These idiots. 1.00

02:56:28.000 They're going to push that for all of them. 1.00

02:56:29.000 But even then, that's less than 100 folks out there.

02:56:31.000 Catherine, stay there.

Alex Jones Show - December 08, 2004

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