Ali Dawah - May 30, 2014


Dawah to Robot & Terminator


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15 minutes

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3,622

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304

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In this episode, we talk about the creation of the universe and how it came into existence. Do you believe in a creator? Do you think there is a creator or not? What do you think about the Big Bang and outer creation?

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00:00:00.000 Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh brothers and sisters. I'm here with Terminator.
00:00:15.600 Terminator. Terminator, yeah. And from Star Wars. Jenga. Jenga, yes. You're the bad guy, yeah?
00:00:23.920 Yeah. Okay, so you guys don't believe in the Creator? No. Yeah? And you also don't,
00:00:28.320 you just, you don't know where it all came from? No. Okay, all right. Basically, okay,
00:00:32.320 we can both learn from each other. It's basically, let me give you an analogy, yeah? Okay, if I said to
00:00:37.040 you, for example, there's three possibilities, right? Because we know scientists tell us that
00:00:42.880 the Big Bang, you know, the Big Bang happened, right? Everything started, it had a starting point,
00:00:46.880 it had a beginning. Okay, so let's put this in perspective, yeah? Now, did it come from nothing?
00:00:52.720 This is the option, yeah? Did it create itself or was it created? We have three options here. If you
00:00:58.160 have any, you can give it to me, yeah? Yeah. The first one, okay, can anything come from nothing?
00:01:03.680 Well, I don't know. Think about it, has ever, like, in the time that, like,
00:01:07.760 human beings have been on this planet, has anything ever popped into existence out of nothing?
00:01:11.840 Not really. It hasn't? No. It hasn't, right? Okay, so that possibility, we have to cross out,
00:01:17.920 because we're going to say, okay, we know rationally, nothing, from nothing, nothing comes,
00:01:22.480 basically, yeah? So, what's the, we've got two options left. Can it create itself? Like,
00:01:27.760 for example, the Big Bang, can it create itself? Maybe. Maybe. Okay, what about you? Say maybe,
00:01:33.200 possibly. Okay, how about if I said to you, okay, all right, but in order for it to create itself,
00:01:38.960 it has to exist and not exist at the same time. You get what I mean? Yeah. Because if it created itself,
00:01:46.480 it should have been there to create itself and not been there at the same time. But there's probably
00:01:50.320 something before it that made that happen. Exactly. So, so what we're trying to get at is,
00:01:54.960 basically, there's no way it can create itself, because that's like me saying, my mother gave
00:01:58.880 birth to herself. Right. Do you get it? Because she has to exist and not exist at the same time. So, 0.67
00:02:02.720 we know it can't come from nothing. We know it can't create itself. The third option is,
00:02:08.320 it must have been created by something. Right. Something must have caused it to happen. You get what I'm
00:02:13.600 trying to say. Yeah. It's like a domino effect. You push, push the first domino and then he has
00:02:19.040 a chain reaction where it goes on. Are we on the same page? Yeah. So, would you believe that there
00:02:24.000 must have been an outer power that caused the big bang to appear? It's a possibility, yeah. It's a
00:02:29.280 possibility, right? A creator. We don't, we don't say, as Muslims, we do not say that God is a man
00:02:34.400 or he has 20 hands, et cetera. We don't say that. We just say he's an outer being. He does not belong in
00:02:38.800 his creation, right? It's outer creation. Because you know, some other believes that Hinduism, they
00:02:42.400 say God's got elephant head, arms. Some Christians believe that God is Jesus, which is a man. We
00:02:49.200 say we reject that. So, basically, we've established that, right? So, if I asked you, what is your purpose
00:02:55.280 in life? Like, what are you here for? Where are you going? I wouldn't know my purpose. Is it?
00:03:01.680 No, you mean to have fun, dress in costumes? No, just have fun, yeah. Have a good time. Okay. So,
00:03:06.720 you're saying that you don't have a purpose. Okay. So, what we're saying is, if this creator,
00:03:12.000 who has created us all, yeah? Yeah. He must have, like, for example, let me give you an example,
00:03:16.640 yeah? When you buy an iPhone, right? I always give you an example. When you get an iPhone or any other
00:03:21.600 product, usually it comes with a manual, yeah? Yeah. This manual tells you how to use a product.
00:03:27.200 Because the person that's made this phone or any other device, he knows this product best, right? So,
00:03:33.360 he will give you a manual. You know, as you have manuals telling you how to use this product,
00:03:36.640 how to put it together. Do you believe that if there is a creator, which we went through,
00:03:41.920 don't you think he would send us something to live according to? Like, he would not let us just
00:03:45.760 wander, wander about? No, he might not, actually. He might not send us anything. He might just make
00:03:50.960 it and see how it goes along. Okay, how it goes along. But, don't you think, in our own knowledge
00:03:55.280 and mentality, we might just, for example, think, for example, some people think, I don't know,
00:04:00.000 paedophilia is okay. They think, okay, look, Hitler killed six million Jews. In his time, 0.75
00:04:04.640 he thought, you know what, there's nothing wrong with that. He thought the Jews were 1.00
00:04:08.000 a problem. Yeah. So, he decided to try to wipe them out. So, who can tell us that this is right,
00:04:12.640 and this is not? Where does our morality, our rules come from? There's not really no wrong or right,
00:04:17.600 to be honest. Just what we make up. Okay, yeah. But, again, don't you think that's dangerous?
00:04:22.800 Because someone might, think of it like this, 20 years down the line, someone might come and say,
00:04:26.880 you know what, really wrong kids, it's okay, isn't it? Like, for example, I'm just saying,
00:04:32.080 yeah? Yeah. Like a baby, you could do that to a baby. They might tell us, you know what,
00:04:36.960 that's normal. Then, do we go along with that, or do we say no, no, no, no? Well, I'd say no,
00:04:42.560 but you never know what people do in the future. Yeah. But, you say no, because you know it's wrong.
00:04:47.680 Yeah, I feel as if it's wrong, wouldn't you? Okay, but that's, that's subjective. Because,
00:04:51.680 what it is, you're saying, because that's, that's wrong. Do you get it? But why is it wrong?
00:04:55.680 No, that's just my opinion. Yeah, exactly. Do you get it? But then, he might come along, yeah?
00:04:59.680 Because he's in Star Wars and he wants to kill everyone. He might just come along and say, nah, nah,
00:05:02.800 I want to kill people. Do you get it? Yeah. So, what we believe as Muslims is, the one that 0.88
00:05:07.520 created us, yeah? He must have sent us a guide. He must have sent us something according to live our lives by. Right?
00:05:13.680 If you're hot, you can take that off. We'd like to see your face. Can you do it?
00:05:17.520 Can't you do it like this? You know, like a motorbike. No, you can't.
00:05:21.520 Oh, you don't. No, I don't know. Okay. If you want, if you're wherever you're comfortable. Yeah.
00:05:25.520 So, what we believe is, that's the Qur'an, right? Yeah. The one that's sent by God.
00:05:29.520 Do you guys know anything about Islam? Eh, not really. Apart from the media and we're terrorists.
00:05:34.520 Apart from that. It's not really. Is that, is that? Yeah. Do you agree with that?
00:05:38.520 Okay. So, basically, we believe the Qur'an came from God Almighty, yeah? And we believe that basically,
00:05:45.520 for example, in the Qur'an, it has its own miracles. How? For example,
00:05:49.520 it says, in the Qur'an, it says that, look, this is from your Creator, yeah? This is from God Almighty, yeah?
00:05:54.520 And if you have doubts about this book, then try to bring the chapter like it. Right?
00:06:00.520 To this day, nobody has. Right?
00:06:01.520 Meaning, meaning, if you doubt this is not from God, right?
00:06:05.520 It's like me coming to you and saying, look, I'm a strong guy, I will knock out anyone. Yeah?
00:06:10.520 Show me someone. And I'm stepping up to the challenge. And if I can't do that, for example,
00:06:14.520 if I step up to that challenge to you, you knock me out, I fail that challenge, right?
00:06:18.520 So, the Qur'an is telling the human being, this is from God, if you think this is not from God,
00:06:24.520 try to prove, try to make a chapter like God, right?
00:06:28.520 To this day, nobody has. Do you get it? Yeah.
00:06:31.520 So, you guys don't know nothing about Islam. Is there anything that maybe I can answer for you?
00:06:35.520 There's something that you weren't always wondering, like, why do Muslims do this? Why do they have that? 1.00
00:06:39.520 I'm really too honest. Not really? What about yourself? No.
00:06:42.520 No.
00:06:43.520 Okay. So, do you, after we've talked, do you kind of accept that there must have been an external creator to the universe?
00:06:50.520 Because we went through the options by basically saying, look, did it come from nothing?
00:06:53.520 It's a possibility, but I wouldn't accept it.
00:06:55.520 Okay. Okay. Is there any reason why you wouldn't accept it? Because at any point, if we're rational thinking,
00:06:59.520 okay, these are the possibilities, and if, for example, it can't come from nothing, if it cannot create itself,
00:07:06.520 we know it had a beginning, we know where the big bang exploded. Yeah.
00:07:10.520 What we're saying is, okay, what is the best rational thing you have to give?
00:07:14.520 If it's proven, then I'll accept it. If there's proof and evidence, then I'll accept it.
00:07:18.520 Same with anything else. If there's proof and evidence, then I'll accept it.
00:07:21.520 Okay. And what kind of proof and evidence would you require?
00:07:24.520 Well, where are they?
00:07:25.520 Okay. The first thing we believe is God alone. He does not have a partner.
00:07:29.520 No.
00:07:30.520 But, for example, are you telling me you want to see and touch?
00:07:32.520 Yeah.
00:07:33.520 Then you will believe?
00:07:34.520 Yeah, possibly, yeah.
00:07:35.520 Okay, alright, okay. But, again, let me give you an example, yeah?
00:07:39.520 Let's say gravity.
00:07:40.520 Yeah.
00:07:41.520 Can we see gravity?
00:07:42.520 No.
00:07:43.520 Can we touch gravity?
00:07:44.520 Then, is it, okay, is it, can I just come and say to you, you know what, Terminator,
00:07:49.520 not Terminator, but I don't believe in gravity. There's no gravity.
00:07:53.520 Well, just people can think of it one day.
00:07:55.520 Yeah, but the thing is, what I'm trying to say to you, let me give you another example, love.
00:07:59.520 Can we see love?
00:08:00.520 No.
00:08:01.520 Yeah, we can't see, we can't touch it, we can't observe it, right?
00:08:04.520 But, does that mean love doesn't exist?
00:08:06.520 We can't say that, right? We can't say that.
00:08:08.520 But, just because I can't see it, and I cannot touch it and feel it, it does not mean it doesn't exist.
00:08:12.520 So, this is the same thing we use for God.
00:08:14.520 Just because you cannot see Him, touch, feel Him, it does not mean He does not exist.
00:08:19.520 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:08:20.520 So, we're just using like, does that make sense to you?
00:08:22.520 Yeah.
00:08:23.520 Okay, then would you still say that, there is not a Creator?
00:08:26.520 I still think that, yeah.
00:08:27.520 Okay, but, what would you do? I want you to come in as well, like...
00:08:30.520 There's not enough evidence.
00:08:31.520 Yeah.
00:08:32.520 You can take a helmet off, like, tell us why you think that God is not what I'm trying to do.
00:08:37.520 I just don't think that.
00:08:39.520 Sorry?
00:08:40.520 I just don't believe it.
00:08:41.520 You just don't believe it?
00:08:42.520 No.
00:08:43.520 Okay, but the evidence I've kind of given you, doesn't that kind of make you think,
00:08:46.520 okay, hold on a second, it can't come from nothing, it can't create itself, it must have been created,
00:08:51.520 and you said like, okay, I haven't seen it.
00:08:53.520 Yeah, I just don't think it's a possibility.
00:08:54.520 I'll prove you that, it's a possibility, but I don't believe it, to be honest.
00:08:57.520 Okay, alright, I respect that, because I don't want to...
00:08:59.520 In the narrative you said there's no compulsion in this, I can't hold on.
00:09:02.520 But, is there, like, for example, why?
00:09:05.520 Why?
00:09:06.520 This is what I really want to know.
00:09:07.520 Why is it that certain people, yeah, they are really afraid of the God or the Creator thing?
00:09:12.520 Like, you know, they're like, no, no.
00:09:13.520 It can be anything else, but not God.
00:09:15.520 You can say, like, it can be a fish, or a flying horse, but not God.
00:09:18.520 Why?
00:09:19.520 Can you tell me why people have this?
00:09:21.520 I'm not saying you guys, just in general, why are people so afraid of this Godly thing?
00:09:24.520 I don't know, to be honest.
00:09:26.520 Do you think it's media, what is it?
00:09:28.520 I don't know, yeah.
00:09:29.520 You have no idea?
00:09:30.520 No.
00:09:31.520 Nothing at all?
00:09:32.520 Yeah.
00:09:33.520 No, I just personally believe, it's because I think it's because of the media.
00:09:37.520 You know, because it all just portrays, you know, religion.
00:09:39.520 Religions kill these people, kill those people. 1.00
00:09:41.520 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:09:42.520 Yeah.
00:09:43.520 Yeah.
00:09:44.520 But just thinking, I just want to come to it again, I don't want to hold you guys on.
00:09:47.520 Yeah?
00:09:48.520 But basically, just think of it for a second, because at the end of the day, like I said,
00:09:52.520 I've given you the options, but you're rejecting it, but what are you rejecting it based on?
00:09:56.520 You need to say to me, look, I'm rejecting it because of these reasons, or there's a better
00:10:00.520 explanation, or the scientists have found this, or that.
00:10:03.520 Is there any, isn't any...
00:10:04.520 Just because there's not enough proof.
00:10:05.520 There's not enough proof.
00:10:06.520 There's not enough proof.
00:10:07.520 Not enough proof, no.
00:10:08.520 Okay, but again, doesn't that come to, again, the love and...
00:10:11.520 Yeah, but the gravity thing, they have sort of proved that there is gravity.
00:10:14.520 Okay, alright.
00:10:15.520 Gravity, let's say they're proof.
00:10:16.520 But what about love?
00:10:17.520 Love, it's just sort of like emotions, isn't it, really?
00:10:19.520 Yeah.
00:10:20.520 It's emotional.
00:10:21.520 It's like, for example, if I kiss my wife, that's not love.
00:10:24.520 That's me kissing my wife. 0.71
00:10:25.520 Where's love?
00:10:26.520 Because I need to see it.
00:10:28.520 I need to touch it.
00:10:29.520 Because that's how science is observing stuff.
00:10:31.520 Do you get it?
00:10:32.520 Well, it's not really love.
00:10:33.520 It's more like a strong hold on someone, pretty much.
00:10:35.520 Yeah, you're right.
00:10:36.520 But again, is it visible?
00:10:37.520 Can you touch it?
00:10:38.520 Well, no.
00:10:39.520 Exactly.
00:10:40.520 But then, is it right for me to say there's no love?
00:10:42.520 Like, would it be...
00:10:43.520 If you said to me, you know what, do you believe in love?
00:10:45.520 And I was like, no, I don't.
00:10:46.520 Yeah?
00:10:47.520 For example, you're going to be like, yeah, for example, you can't say to me, you can't
00:10:50.520 prove to me why I should believe it.
00:10:51.520 Because I will say to you, just like you're telling me, is there evidence?
00:10:54.520 Yes.
00:10:55.520 Can you give me evidence that there's love?
00:10:56.520 Yeah.
00:10:57.520 Can you?
00:10:58.520 No.
00:10:59.520 Can you give me evidence that there's love?
00:11:00.520 Yeah, there's love.
00:11:01.520 So, I can't hear you.
00:11:03.520 It's...
00:11:04.520 You know what, you can't see it.
00:11:07.520 Yeah.
00:11:08.520 But it's a feeling.
00:11:09.520 It's a feeling, not a second.
00:11:11.520 Okay.
00:11:12.520 So, can you...
00:11:13.520 But the thing is, can you show me the feeling?
00:11:16.520 Like, can you say, okay, look, Vego, that's the feeling I have and that's love.
00:11:19.520 Okay, but that's the same way as I'm saying, look, there's a creator and I'm explaining it to you.
00:11:23.520 And, obviously, because we went through it and it kind of makes sense to you because
00:11:26.520 you said, look, it can't come from nothing.
00:11:27.520 It cannot create itself.
00:11:28.520 It must have been created, yeah?
00:11:30.520 People show hate and love and all these other emotions.
00:11:32.520 Yeah.
00:11:33.520 They show it, don't they?
00:11:34.520 Yeah, exactly.
00:11:35.520 But do we agree that it could be created?
00:11:37.520 It's a possibility.
00:11:38.520 It's a possibility.
00:11:39.520 Okay.
00:11:40.520 Okay.
00:11:41.520 Don't you think that you should kind of maybe look into that?
00:11:43.520 Like, think, okay, alright.
00:11:44.520 There might be a possibility.
00:11:45.520 Would you say, okay, let me look into that.
00:11:46.520 Maybe there's a creator or would you be like, look, I ain't got time for that?
00:11:49.520 I ain't really got time for that to do this.
00:11:51.520 Okay.
00:11:52.520 Alright, okay then.
00:11:53.520 Basically, what I'm going to do is, basically, I was just wondering if it's okay with you guys.
00:11:56.520 Have you read the Quran before?
00:11:57.520 No.
00:11:58.520 Are you interested?
00:11:59.520 Like, just to have a look.
00:12:00.520 I'm not saying, like, it's going to do some kind of magic spell on you and they're just going to become a Muslim overnight. 1.00
00:12:04.520 But, would you be interested?
00:12:05.520 Because what I would personally want to do is, I can maybe email one for you.
00:12:09.520 Maybe you can just read it, you know?
00:12:10.520 Because at the end of the day, you never know.
00:12:12.520 Because, don't ever forget this, yeah?
00:12:14.520 We are here and we can die in a second, right?
00:12:16.520 Yeah.
00:12:17.520 And if there is a creator that's created us, let me put it like this.
00:12:19.520 When I came to Islam, before I came to Islam, yeah?
00:12:21.520 I always had this mentality.
00:12:22.520 I always thought, okay, there is a creator, yeah?
00:12:25.520 But, if there is a creator and he's intelligent, okay?
00:12:28.520 Because think of how our galaxy and how we are being made, right?
00:12:32.520 You know when I have a cut, look, I had a cut there, yeah?
00:12:34.520 It healed itself.
00:12:35.520 Yeah.
00:12:36.520 Yeah?
00:12:37.520 We have this kind of, it's like an order, there's an order.
00:12:40.520 Do you get it?
00:12:41.520 Out of the galaxy, there's an order.
00:12:42.520 Microscopically, there's an order.
00:12:44.520 Everything, it goes in order, right?
00:12:46.520 And this intelligent designer, do you think he would create us for no reason?
00:12:49.520 Like, would he be just like, okay, let me just create these human beings, put them here, they can live and die?
00:12:54.520 Like, that intelligent person, do you think he would do that?
00:12:56.520 It could be an accident, to be honest.
00:12:58.520 Accident, do you mean like, for example, like, it can be a chance that there was an accident?
00:13:01.520 Yeah.
00:13:02.520 Okay, but again, the person that made his phone, do you think he would make this phone without a purpose?
00:13:06.520 Your jacket has a purpose, right?
00:13:08.520 Yeah, he might have made it by an accident.
00:13:09.520 People event things all the time by an accident, to be honest.
00:13:11.520 Okay, okay, but this intelligent designer, for example, the person who made your jacket, yeah?
00:13:15.520 Right.
00:13:16.520 Or made your costume?
00:13:17.520 Yeah.
00:13:18.520 Was that a purpose?
00:13:19.520 Did you say let me make his costume, just throw it there, someone will come and wear it?
00:13:21.520 What was his purpose?
00:13:22.520 Uh, for fans to wear it.
00:13:24.520 Exactly.
00:13:25.520 And to become the person.
00:13:27.520 Exactly.
00:13:28.520 Do you get it?
00:13:29.520 Yeah.
00:13:30.520 Which I really like your costume, yeah?
00:13:31.520 But check it out, the person that's made this, knew there'll be a demand, right?
00:13:34.520 Yeah.
00:13:35.520 He had a purpose.
00:13:36.520 Your jacket has a purpose, your glasses have a purpose, you look really good.
00:13:38.520 Terminator, shoes, jeans, everything has a purpose.
00:13:41.520 And are you telling me, okay, for example, is this more complex, or our body more complex?
00:13:46.520 Our body is probably way more complex.
00:13:48.520 Way more.
00:13:49.520 Exactly.
00:13:50.520 Our body is way more complex.
00:13:51.520 Yet again, we say, this has got a purpose, but our body is one, if, like you said, there's
00:13:56.520 a possibility, who created us has given us more purpose.
00:13:59.520 Is that fair to say?
00:14:00.520 Like, this has got a purpose, but you, don't have a purpose.
00:14:04.520 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:14:06.520 I'm just trying to make you feel better.
00:14:07.520 I get what you're trying to say.
00:14:08.520 I do, yeah.
00:14:09.520 I don't need to feel like a bit, do you get it?
00:14:12.520 I just want you to think, because I was, I was a bit lost as well myself, yeah?
00:14:16.520 Okay, let me put it like this.
00:14:17.520 I always believed in a God, but religion-wise, I just thought, nah, it's sort of man-made.
00:14:21.520 Do you get it?
00:14:22.520 Yeah.
00:14:23.520 Till I found it, and I'm just being honest, because at the end of the day, you know if you
00:14:26.520 had something really good, you would want to share that with me, right?
00:14:28.520 Yeah.
00:14:29.520 Because if it brought you happiness, yeah?
00:14:30.520 It's the same with me.
00:14:31.520 I believe my religion, what I follow, brings me happiness, and I like to share it with people
00:14:34.520 and tell them about it.
00:14:35.520 Do you get it?
00:14:36.520 Yeah.
00:14:37.520 This is why I tell you, because if a mere form, a mere belt has a purpose, how can
00:14:41.520 we say as a complex body, and a complex universe, we have no purpose?
00:14:46.520 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:14:47.520 Yeah.
00:14:48.520 It's just like a food for thought, maybe you guys can think about it.
00:14:50.520 Am I boring you guys?
00:14:51.520 Like, I can see he's just like, he's just like, no, no, no, no.
00:14:54.520 Probably can't hear you properly under that helmet.
00:14:56.520 Is it?
00:14:57.520 Okay.
00:14:58.520 Yeah, I don't want to hold you guys over.
00:14:59.520 I'm tired, to be honest.
00:15:00.520 It was really nice talking to you, but can you say that you've kind of...
00:15:02.520 Is there anything that has made you think?
00:15:05.520 The...
00:15:06.520 On the honest level, like, do you think, okay...
00:15:08.520 To be honest, not really, but I respect, like, religion's, like, opinions and that.
00:15:12.520 Yeah.
00:15:13.520 But, like, not really for me, to be honest.
00:15:14.520 Nothing, nothing.
00:15:15.520 No.
00:15:16.520 You, yourself?
00:15:17.520 Has anything made you think, or would you be like, nah, I didn't learn anything today?
00:15:20.520 Or would you be like, okay, you said some stuff that kind of reflects.
00:15:22.520 It's alright, but...
00:15:23.520 Alright, it's fine.
00:15:24.520 I don't believe in it.
00:15:25.520 You don't believe in it.
00:15:26.520 But is there anything that I've said that kind of made you think of it?
00:15:29.520 No.
00:15:30.520 Nothing, that's all.
00:15:31.520 Okay.
00:15:32.520 Would you be interested?
00:15:33.520 You can say no, it's fine.
00:15:34.520 Like, if I was to send you a Quran through email.
00:15:36.520 No.
00:15:37.520 No?
00:15:38.520 Okay, alright, guys, thank you very much.
00:15:39.520 Cheers.
00:15:40.520 Thanks anyway.