Dawah to Robot & Terminator
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Summary
In this episode, we talk about the creation of the universe and how it came into existence. Do you believe in a creator? Do you think there is a creator or not? What do you think about the Big Bang and outer creation?
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Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh brothers and sisters. I'm here with Terminator.
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Terminator. Terminator, yeah. And from Star Wars. Jenga. Jenga, yes. You're the bad guy, yeah?
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Yeah. Okay, so you guys don't believe in the Creator? No. Yeah? And you also don't,
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you just, you don't know where it all came from? No. Okay, all right. Basically, okay,
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we can both learn from each other. It's basically, let me give you an analogy, yeah? Okay, if I said to
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you, for example, there's three possibilities, right? Because we know scientists tell us that
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the Big Bang, you know, the Big Bang happened, right? Everything started, it had a starting point,
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it had a beginning. Okay, so let's put this in perspective, yeah? Now, did it come from nothing?
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This is the option, yeah? Did it create itself or was it created? We have three options here. If you
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have any, you can give it to me, yeah? Yeah. The first one, okay, can anything come from nothing?
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Well, I don't know. Think about it, has ever, like, in the time that, like,
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human beings have been on this planet, has anything ever popped into existence out of nothing?
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Not really. It hasn't? No. It hasn't, right? Okay, so that possibility, we have to cross out,
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because we're going to say, okay, we know rationally, nothing, from nothing, nothing comes,
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basically, yeah? So, what's the, we've got two options left. Can it create itself? Like,
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for example, the Big Bang, can it create itself? Maybe. Maybe. Okay, what about you? Say maybe,
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possibly. Okay, how about if I said to you, okay, all right, but in order for it to create itself,
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it has to exist and not exist at the same time. You get what I mean? Yeah. Because if it created itself,
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it should have been there to create itself and not been there at the same time. But there's probably
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something before it that made that happen. Exactly. So, so what we're trying to get at is,
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basically, there's no way it can create itself, because that's like me saying, my mother gave
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birth to herself. Right. Do you get it? Because she has to exist and not exist at the same time. So,
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we know it can't come from nothing. We know it can't create itself. The third option is,
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it must have been created by something. Right. Something must have caused it to happen. You get what I'm
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trying to say. Yeah. It's like a domino effect. You push, push the first domino and then he has
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a chain reaction where it goes on. Are we on the same page? Yeah. So, would you believe that there
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must have been an outer power that caused the big bang to appear? It's a possibility, yeah. It's a
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possibility, right? A creator. We don't, we don't say, as Muslims, we do not say that God is a man
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or he has 20 hands, et cetera. We don't say that. We just say he's an outer being. He does not belong in
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his creation, right? It's outer creation. Because you know, some other believes that Hinduism, they
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say God's got elephant head, arms. Some Christians believe that God is Jesus, which is a man. We
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say we reject that. So, basically, we've established that, right? So, if I asked you, what is your purpose
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in life? Like, what are you here for? Where are you going? I wouldn't know my purpose. Is it?
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No, you mean to have fun, dress in costumes? No, just have fun, yeah. Have a good time. Okay. So,
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you're saying that you don't have a purpose. Okay. So, what we're saying is, if this creator,
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who has created us all, yeah? Yeah. He must have, like, for example, let me give you an example,
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yeah? When you buy an iPhone, right? I always give you an example. When you get an iPhone or any other
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product, usually it comes with a manual, yeah? Yeah. This manual tells you how to use a product.
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Because the person that's made this phone or any other device, he knows this product best, right? So,
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he will give you a manual. You know, as you have manuals telling you how to use this product,
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how to put it together. Do you believe that if there is a creator, which we went through,
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don't you think he would send us something to live according to? Like, he would not let us just
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wander, wander about? No, he might not, actually. He might not send us anything. He might just make
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it and see how it goes along. Okay, how it goes along. But, don't you think, in our own knowledge
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and mentality, we might just, for example, think, for example, some people think, I don't know,
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paedophilia is okay. They think, okay, look, Hitler killed six million Jews. In his time,
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he thought, you know what, there's nothing wrong with that. He thought the Jews were
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a problem. Yeah. So, he decided to try to wipe them out. So, who can tell us that this is right,
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and this is not? Where does our morality, our rules come from? There's not really no wrong or right,
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to be honest. Just what we make up. Okay, yeah. But, again, don't you think that's dangerous?
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Because someone might, think of it like this, 20 years down the line, someone might come and say,
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you know what, really wrong kids, it's okay, isn't it? Like, for example, I'm just saying,
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yeah? Yeah. Like a baby, you could do that to a baby. They might tell us, you know what,
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that's normal. Then, do we go along with that, or do we say no, no, no, no? Well, I'd say no,
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but you never know what people do in the future. Yeah. But, you say no, because you know it's wrong.
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Yeah, I feel as if it's wrong, wouldn't you? Okay, but that's, that's subjective. Because,
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what it is, you're saying, because that's, that's wrong. Do you get it? But why is it wrong?
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No, that's just my opinion. Yeah, exactly. Do you get it? But then, he might come along, yeah?
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Because he's in Star Wars and he wants to kill everyone. He might just come along and say, nah, nah,
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I want to kill people. Do you get it? Yeah. So, what we believe as Muslims is, the one that
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created us, yeah? He must have sent us a guide. He must have sent us something according to live our lives by. Right?
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If you're hot, you can take that off. We'd like to see your face. Can you do it?
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Can't you do it like this? You know, like a motorbike. No, you can't.
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Oh, you don't. No, I don't know. Okay. If you want, if you're wherever you're comfortable. Yeah.
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So, what we believe is, that's the Qur'an, right? Yeah. The one that's sent by God.
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Do you guys know anything about Islam? Eh, not really. Apart from the media and we're terrorists.
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Apart from that. It's not really. Is that, is that? Yeah. Do you agree with that?
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Okay. So, basically, we believe the Qur'an came from God Almighty, yeah? And we believe that basically,
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for example, in the Qur'an, it has its own miracles. How? For example,
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it says, in the Qur'an, it says that, look, this is from your Creator, yeah? This is from God Almighty, yeah?
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And if you have doubts about this book, then try to bring the chapter like it. Right?
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Meaning, meaning, if you doubt this is not from God, right?
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It's like me coming to you and saying, look, I'm a strong guy, I will knock out anyone. Yeah?
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Show me someone. And I'm stepping up to the challenge. And if I can't do that, for example,
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if I step up to that challenge to you, you knock me out, I fail that challenge, right?
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So, the Qur'an is telling the human being, this is from God, if you think this is not from God,
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try to prove, try to make a chapter like God, right?
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So, you guys don't know nothing about Islam. Is there anything that maybe I can answer for you?
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There's something that you weren't always wondering, like, why do Muslims do this? Why do they have that?
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I'm really too honest. Not really? What about yourself? No.
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Okay. So, do you, after we've talked, do you kind of accept that there must have been an external creator to the universe?
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Because we went through the options by basically saying, look, did it come from nothing?
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Okay. Okay. Is there any reason why you wouldn't accept it? Because at any point, if we're rational thinking,
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okay, these are the possibilities, and if, for example, it can't come from nothing, if it cannot create itself,
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we know it had a beginning, we know where the big bang exploded. Yeah.
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What we're saying is, okay, what is the best rational thing you have to give?
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If it's proven, then I'll accept it. If there's proof and evidence, then I'll accept it.
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Same with anything else. If there's proof and evidence, then I'll accept it.
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Okay. And what kind of proof and evidence would you require?
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Okay. The first thing we believe is God alone. He does not have a partner.
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But, for example, are you telling me you want to see and touch?
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Okay, alright, okay. But, again, let me give you an example, yeah?
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Then, is it, okay, is it, can I just come and say to you, you know what, Terminator,
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not Terminator, but I don't believe in gravity. There's no gravity.
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Yeah, but the thing is, what I'm trying to say to you, let me give you another example, love.
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Yeah, we can't see, we can't touch it, we can't observe it, right?
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But, just because I can't see it, and I cannot touch it and feel it, it does not mean it doesn't exist.
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Just because you cannot see Him, touch, feel Him, it does not mean He does not exist.
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So, we're just using like, does that make sense to you?
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Okay, then would you still say that, there is not a Creator?
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Okay, but, what would you do? I want you to come in as well, like...
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You can take a helmet off, like, tell us why you think that God is not what I'm trying to do.
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Okay, but the evidence I've kind of given you, doesn't that kind of make you think,
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okay, hold on a second, it can't come from nothing, it can't create itself, it must have been created,
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I'll prove you that, it's a possibility, but I don't believe it, to be honest.
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Okay, alright, I respect that, because I don't want to...
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In the narrative you said there's no compulsion in this, I can't hold on.
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Why is it that certain people, yeah, they are really afraid of the God or the Creator thing?
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You can say, like, it can be a fish, or a flying horse, but not God.
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I'm not saying you guys, just in general, why are people so afraid of this Godly thing?
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No, I just personally believe, it's because I think it's because of the media.
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You know, because it all just portrays, you know, religion.
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Religions kill these people, kill those people.
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But just thinking, I just want to come to it again, I don't want to hold you guys on.
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But basically, just think of it for a second, because at the end of the day, like I said,
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I've given you the options, but you're rejecting it, but what are you rejecting it based on?
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You need to say to me, look, I'm rejecting it because of these reasons, or there's a better
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explanation, or the scientists have found this, or that.
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Okay, but again, doesn't that come to, again, the love and...
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Yeah, but the gravity thing, they have sort of proved that there is gravity.
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Love, it's just sort of like emotions, isn't it, really?
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It's like, for example, if I kiss my wife, that's not love.
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It's more like a strong hold on someone, pretty much.
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But then, is it right for me to say there's no love?
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If you said to me, you know what, do you believe in love?
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For example, you're going to be like, yeah, for example, you can't say to me, you can't
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Because I will say to you, just like you're telling me, is there evidence?
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Like, can you say, okay, look, Vego, that's the feeling I have and that's love.
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Okay, but that's the same way as I'm saying, look, there's a creator and I'm explaining it to you.
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And, obviously, because we went through it and it kind of makes sense to you because
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People show hate and love and all these other emotions.
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Don't you think that you should kind of maybe look into that?
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Maybe there's a creator or would you be like, look, I ain't got time for that?
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Basically, what I'm going to do is, basically, I was just wondering if it's okay with you guys.
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I'm not saying, like, it's going to do some kind of magic spell on you and they're just going to become a Muslim overnight.
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Because what I would personally want to do is, I can maybe email one for you.
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And if there is a creator that's created us, let me put it like this.
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When I came to Islam, before I came to Islam, yeah?
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I always thought, okay, there is a creator, yeah?
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But, if there is a creator and he's intelligent, okay?
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Because think of how our galaxy and how we are being made, right?
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You know when I have a cut, look, I had a cut there, yeah?
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We have this kind of, it's like an order, there's an order.
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And this intelligent designer, do you think he would create us for no reason?
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Like, would he be just like, okay, let me just create these human beings, put them here, they can live and die?
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Like, that intelligent person, do you think he would do that?
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Accident, do you mean like, for example, like, it can be a chance that there was an accident?
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Okay, but again, the person that made his phone, do you think he would make this phone without a purpose?
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People event things all the time by an accident, to be honest.
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Okay, okay, but this intelligent designer, for example, the person who made your jacket, yeah?
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Did you say let me make his costume, just throw it there, someone will come and wear it?
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But check it out, the person that's made this, knew there'll be a demand, right?
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Your jacket has a purpose, your glasses have a purpose, you look really good.
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Terminator, shoes, jeans, everything has a purpose.
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And are you telling me, okay, for example, is this more complex, or our body more complex?
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Yet again, we say, this has got a purpose, but our body is one, if, like you said, there's
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a possibility, who created us has given us more purpose.
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Like, this has got a purpose, but you, don't have a purpose.
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I don't need to feel like a bit, do you get it?
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I just want you to think, because I was, I was a bit lost as well myself, yeah?
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I always believed in a God, but religion-wise, I just thought, nah, it's sort of man-made.
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Till I found it, and I'm just being honest, because at the end of the day, you know if you
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had something really good, you would want to share that with me, right?
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I believe my religion, what I follow, brings me happiness, and I like to share it with people
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This is why I tell you, because if a mere form, a mere belt has a purpose, how can
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we say as a complex body, and a complex universe, we have no purpose?
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It's just like a food for thought, maybe you guys can think about it.
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Like, I can see he's just like, he's just like, no, no, no, no.
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Probably can't hear you properly under that helmet.
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It was really nice talking to you, but can you say that you've kind of...
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On the honest level, like, do you think, okay...
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To be honest, not really, but I respect, like, religion's, like, opinions and that.
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Has anything made you think, or would you be like, nah, I didn't learn anything today?
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Or would you be like, okay, you said some stuff that kind of reflects.
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But is there anything that I've said that kind of made you think of it?
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Like, if I was to send you a Quran through email.