00:06:14.540I mean, like, this is this is the thing a lot of people say it was inevitable that he'd be caught.
00:06:22.300And I like so the my argument in the piece, like I go through and lay out what actual like perfect like like ghosts in the wires OPSEC would be.
00:12:33.900yeah like uh there's there is nothing like really physically stopping him like it like uh even how
00:12:42.880he like identified where the ceo would be like he was at a shareholder meeting um if you look at like
00:12:49.48090 percent of late assassinations in history almost all of them had been like a public figure
00:12:57.860or minor figure very publicly was going to be at an event like um going back to abe lincoln like
00:13:05.420it was announced he was going to be in at attendance informed theater ford cedar because
00:13:11.880uh the he had attended there several times and the like um that was actually part of the attraction
00:13:19.480of going to the play that day was you get to see the president at uh watching watching the play
00:13:26.180so that's how john waltz booth knew to like stage his assassination plot plot there and of course
00:13:34.800booth had played at the theater before so he knew all the back entrances and stuff but uh kennedy
00:13:40.980um he was actually requested to um do a tour of delaney plaza which is deeply suspicious
00:13:49.180because um if anyone like delaney plaza is like not like an incredibly scenic place but he was
00:13:57.480asked by like several different special interest groups uh representing various various ethnicities
00:14:04.480and interests to do a tour of that plaza and that has been like central to a lot of the conspiracy
00:14:09.820theories around around kennedy but it was completely known like publicly that kennedy
00:14:15.480was going to be there uh Trump at his rally uh it was completely known that he was going to be doing
00:14:21.700doing that rally uh the second assassination attempt on Trump is actually the deeply suspicious
00:14:26.820one because apparently Trump like hadn't even made plans to go to the golf course that day
00:14:35.140until like a few hours before so there's suspicion that like there had to have been like
00:14:41.160up-to-the-minute information leak leak from like someone on his team for uh the shooter to know to
00:14:49.700get there which is like actually this is the thing with the trump assassins that like blows me away
00:14:57.460is that like seemingly there's all this like like really spooky mysterious stuff happening around
00:15:04.300how they know to be where they're gonna get um how they managed to like penetrate these security
00:15:09.140cordons and then like all their actual rifle work and set up and everything else is like
00:15:15.900the worst possible get up you can imagine like uh the trump by the second trump shooter didn't
00:15:22.820even have proper scope rings like he had duct taped the scope to his rifle like he could have
00:15:28.720gotten the shot off at several points as far as i know if um he had had a like properly mounted
00:15:37.280scope that was capable of taking shots at like the 600 yard range range instead of the 100 yard
00:15:43.960range because he had like set up his he'd purchase it was like an sks which is like not an accurate
00:15:51.260rifle rifle or like it's kind of accurate for like it's round which is not an accurate round
00:15:58.000And just the blend of like really spooky like highs and all this weird stuff completely mixed with like complete amateurish way got technical proficiency is like such a mysterious part of the Trump case.
00:16:18.280now of course now we're getting away from the luigi uh luigi thing but uh in my view both those
00:16:25.620attempts at trump that was not not actually trump at the at the scene uh trump should be
00:16:31.020a lot taller than the character we saw getting shot at both those places
00:16:34.520he's uh i don't remember what it is but at least he's like six five plus something like that
00:16:39.740incredibly tall and as far as we can tell from all the video of those other times he's a short
00:16:46.120little man like maybe six at the most probably five eight so yeah don't know don't know
00:16:52.560oh the body doubles conspiracy theory yeah the thing is even though even if it is a body double
00:16:58.920and you manage to shoot the body double that's still a very effective political hit if you want
00:17:03.880to take like make a statement so to say then trump needs to go out and say yeah i didn't die it was a
00:17:08.380body doll so it's still a pain to deal with but yeah yeah yes this uh this actually almost no
00:17:19.240readers get to it but this was a big part of um fry the brain uh it opens with like a little
00:17:26.460parable of like a gorilla sniper operation it ends with like a little parable of the
00:17:31.360gorilla sniper operation which um should not work really in a book like i almost always
00:17:37.400cringe when writers do this because it's almost always going to be like uh like uh you know their
00:17:43.960own like tactical like their own attempt to be tom clancy like well usually when writers do this
00:17:50.080it's cringe but uh in john west fry the brain it worked quite well and the parable at the end of
00:17:56.700fry the brain was um they do all this advanced like sniper operation stuff that um really has
00:18:04.540never been seen before or like has only rarely been seen seen like these advanced techniques
00:18:11.160that like maybe saw one once on one case one once on the other all of them combined together
00:18:16.900so they had like a remote control sniper nest uh being operated by like remote computer
00:18:25.020taking a precision precision shot at a range that i don't actually think you could get like um
00:18:32.580like remote robotics to actually carry off a shot like that's one of those things that um
00:18:40.460we haven't seen uh robotics really be able to do we haven't seen it in terms of like mounting a
00:18:47.380rifle and stuff but uh they do all these advanced techniques um their enemy oppo like raids this um
00:18:58.080apartment where they had all this set up
00:19:00.040and then they bluff the apartment as soon
00:20:23.580luigi so so the like uh the curious thing where like a lot of people like i i think we don't see
00:20:37.060a lot of stuff like this is just um like a lot of people suck at googling
00:20:42.200and like that stops them from like actually being able to to like find where people are going to be
00:20:52.220like what events are going to be be happening so like uh i remember someone complaining online like
00:20:58.480yeah but i i never know where any of yeah like we never know where any of these elites are going to
00:21:05.780be like we never know where they are in real meat space at any moment i'm like no you this is
00:21:12.500actually very privy to to know and actually like doing police level like uh investigative stuff
00:21:21.260like um like being able to get like a stingray uh type um cell tower spoofer that you can like
00:21:32.240actually identify cell uh cell signals uh in unique identifying numbers like like uh just from
00:21:43.280their signals this is how um cops do they don't actually call up the cell phone company every
00:21:49.460time they have their own device that spoofs the cell tower and makes all the cell phones around
00:21:54.160them ping them uh those can be ordered from china on like aliexpress like uh criminal organizations
00:22:01.640like the cartels all have these that's just like a piece of equipment you can buy on the normal
00:22:08.880clear internet uh there's like by a million things like like this like basically every ceo is
00:22:17.300attending like predictable shareholder events and other other things regularly or like um
00:22:24.400is it internally emailing through their company like events and talks they're going to be at
00:22:31.480etc they're attending like ed and other talks subscribe to that newsletter easy as that
00:22:37.400yeah yeah exactly exactly like um like it's fairly trivial to like find especially a public figure
00:22:48.760um by the clear web i'm reading uh no country for old men right now and and like it's set in
00:22:57.900the 80s and it's like deeply disturbing like how easy it was for the cartels and stuff to like
00:23:03.180track anonymous individuals who are trying to hide in the 80s like before cell phones and all
00:23:10.220this stuff and when like um you know hotel registries weren't stored online you actually
00:23:16.380had to go to the hotel and ask for like like the book to see the registry and and like um
00:23:25.740you know I'm I'm prepper mindset so I'm always thinking like okay if I had to go into hiding
00:23:31.700how would I do it how did do it and it's like and it's like um it's disturbing for me because
00:23:39.840like I could do it but if I had to like communicate to my family or like uh another person how to do
00:23:46.400it it's like like it's not just um oh grab a pen and paper you need to write this down
00:23:54.020it's like if i forget like one thing that seems obvious to me but like isn't obvious to a normal
00:24:00.320person like um like the 10 types of evidence you know no oh yeah you have to check if your vehicle
00:24:08.860has on star enabled because like through you can be tracked through on star star and other stuff
00:24:15.680because that's like actually transmitting a gps signal like through usually a sim system although
00:24:22.820some have sound like communicators um uh or or like you or like purchases that you have to like
00:24:31.780get cash cash and like only use use cash or that you don't want to stay in hotels you want to stay
00:24:39.300at like campgrounds rounds or like sleep in your car on a like a back street treat alarm like
00:24:48.100there's there's a limited number but it's like awkwardly more than the the number of fingers
00:24:54.200you have on one hand and like there are all these ways to just completely come
00:24:58.620compromise yourself and like get and like get caught and it it's like all all it's very simple
00:25:11.880But it's a large number of very simple things that add up.
00:25:20.400And if you try to communicate this to someone, it's like, no, you need like a methodical hour-long lecture to actually get this in your head.
00:25:30.260And you need like a cheat sheet or checklist.
00:25:33.820Because if you like forget one, you've screwed up all your effort on the rest in a lot of ways.
00:25:39.800which um it's even more you would need more like a month of training practical training where you
00:25:44.760should go and follow all these different things as you do either moving through a countryside
00:25:49.140moving through the city moving staying at a place all the different uh possible permutations of what
00:25:54.620you would be doing while still having the perfect opsec while doing it and uh yeah yeah not not
00:26:03.540really um because yeah remember like there's there's actual like perfect opposite and then
00:26:11.220there's like good enough opposite so like um so like oh you like so like let's say you're hiding
00:26:20.700out from the cartel drake and you're like practicing all this stuff but like uh you break
00:26:29.360down and you decide to call family number from like a tape bone and they have like a wiretap
00:26:34.140on them and so they know where you are well if you're actually you know it takes time to like
00:26:40.480check through all that and it takes time to dispatch person like um if you are breaking
00:26:45.140up obsec like that like uh like before moving on so like you're immediately on the road like 20
00:26:54.160minutes after you know that that narrows it down where you were at that time but doesn't necessarily
00:27:00.660compromise you like there's a there are so many um like um the metaphor i use is like an operating
00:27:08.460theater or where like you're performing a like medical operation on someone and you're trying
00:27:14.340to prevent them from getting a um a infection you know surgeries were performed on like 18th
00:27:23.500century sailing ships and like people did survive survive them with like zero hygiene like there's
00:27:29.240a lot of chance that like there even if you do everything wrong there is like still a 10 to 20
00:27:36.020percent chance that you're just gonna get lucky and get away with it anyway because everyone else
00:27:41.300distracted you know you're going up against human being ultimately but um beyond that that like very
00:27:49.580minor the hygienic interventions radically reduce the risk of infection and very simple like
00:27:58.900follow-on behaviors like prescribing antibiotics like like cleaning up the wound site after the
00:28:05.060surgery surgery all that's like shaming off 5 10 15 all these little interventions shame off 5 10
00:28:13.60015 20 chance that you get infected and of course like we'd never accept anything like
00:28:19.040like that in our day-to-day life as a risk because like you know if you're getting a
00:28:24.680surgery you want the risk of infection to be like one two percent which involves
00:28:31.540which involves you know an entire operating theater of like people have been trained for
00:28:37.560like 10 10 years who've like gone through all these like elaborate procedures and checklists
00:28:43.680of disinfection, an entirely sterile environment. And like there's still like a one to two percent
00:28:52.020chance that a stray germ is going to get into you and that has an acrotizing fasciitis and
00:28:57.240you know your soup within eight hours. But there are people who have had like 20 surgeries in their
00:29:05.420lives and been been perfectly fine but it's not the case that like if you if you break
00:29:13.240offset like slightly or you do something slightly wrong that you're just screwed you're gonna get
00:29:20.160caught no like basic good habits apart from that will like hover for that slip up why i'm
00:29:27.520advocating for having a month-long training session is not necessarily for avoiding that0.99
00:29:32.760one time that you would have fucked up0.99
00:29:34.840if you hadn't done it. It's more for0.99
00:31:55.360like hits for a living or like uh or like try to get hired by like some some billionaire oligarch
00:32:02.600or something because like if you can actually do that then like enforce that amount of discipline
00:32:09.160on yourself like um like you're probably going to be like one of the top one percent of the world
00:32:17.040And it is, like, significantly less than you'd think to, like, become, you know, the Shaolin master of, like, whatever modern martial techniques.
00:32:31.600There is become, like, become, like, the Fattori Hanzo of OPSEC.
00:32:37.600But also there's a re-specific take that, like, there aren't that many of them.
00:32:43.480my argument with why there isn't that many because we used to have a time in even european
00:32:50.100history where it was where it was a much more common thing to have people trained and actively
00:32:54.940training in the art of applying violence in all its forms is because we had a social structure
00:32:59.660that said yeah you being able to do that is a good thing we want you to be able to do that
00:33:04.340and they get all the different benefits of society for being able to do it while today
00:35:04.600And then you have societies such as parts of the Middle East or Asia, where they know that if they do certain kinds of violence, they will get both status and chicks.
00:35:16.520So we have this problem in Canada right now of Southeast Asian Indian street gangs.1.00
00:35:27.680And all of these Southeast Asian criminals, they all come from like middle class families.0.98
00:35:33.820Like, almost all of them were raised in million-dollar homes, all these Indian street gangs in, like, Vancouver and Surrey, B.C.0.98
00:35:45.980But the reason they're in street gangs, the reason that, like, hundreds of these, like, upper-middle-class Indian boys have, like, shot each other and, like, been killed and, like, been involved in all these crimes
00:35:59.900is because there was one i think it was bindi jahar was the name i might be getting that wrong
00:36:09.500but he was like one a southeast asian criminal like one gangster in like the 90s who like
00:36:18.460adopted wigger style and like all these like um all these like rap music stylings and like was0.85
00:36:27.180committing crimes throughout Vancouver and this like five eight like unattractive Indian man who's0.98
00:36:36.860like aging and in his 30s was getting all these chicks and all these like um kind of brown cell0.92
00:36:46.120southeast Asian kids in Surrey BC saw that and immediately this became the thing to do if you're
00:36:53.840an upper middle class indian boy in in vancouver or throughout throughout canada is you join a
00:37:02.820street gang not because you need the money but because you need chicks chicks and this is the
00:37:08.700only way like as an indian you're gonna get it and uh the cbc documentaries and all these like0.97
00:37:15.940true crime documentaries uh they always play it up about like oh they're striking back against
00:37:21.320racism or they felt persecuted by Canadian culture went on. It was like, no, no, no, they weren't
00:37:28.540experiencing racism. No one was like insulting them to their face or humiliating them. It's that
00:37:34.720they weren't getting chicks. It's that like women did not want to sleep with them out of like the1.00
00:37:40.320entire Canadian sexual marketplace. But if they became like an impressive criminal or an1.00
00:37:47.580unimpressive criminal they were perceived as violent and dangerous and that got them checks
00:37:52.260just like i i cannot emphasize enough like um if you are an incel listening to this1.00
00:37:59.740like low level uh stupid uh stupid like retarded uh street crime like just random like dumb hood1.00
00:38:14.520stuff will get you chits but you wear that chain and like you have a a nine millimeter poking out1.00
00:38:22.120of like your waistband that's like riding down around your ankles you will get chicks that is1.00
00:38:29.800like the disturbing sad reality of life the question is wife is that like being a retarded0.99
00:38:35.200criminal is more attractive than being a like like smart salary man so far0.93
00:38:41.640also depending on what community you're in uh like right now in sweden we have a thing where
00:38:49.880young like let's say 12 year olds go out and shoot people throw hand grenades and do torpedo
00:38:55.080hits and they know that they will get to they will go to prison they won't be able to defend
00:39:00.020themselves legally they will stay there for maybe five to two years get out and continue their
00:39:06.580criminal career with all the community behind them saying yeah you did a good thing that was
00:39:11.520a good thing you did so it continues happening and there's been this large debate of what should
00:39:17.900we do should we make it so that we can imprison 12 year olds longer but obviously even the swedish0.89
00:39:25.040politicians can see that if we do that it's not going to solve the problem because they will
00:39:29.100still have a large incentive to go and do it and unless we imprison them for life and actually for
00:39:36.080life until they die they will always be able to look at a good life once they get out of prison
00:39:40.320because after all it's not them killing people it's usually a hit orchestrated by another part0.97
00:39:46.060of criminal organization saying that you need to go to kill this person when you get out you're
00:39:50.260gonna get your money so it's uh and also chicks always remember chicks0.91
00:39:57.100and yeah this is where the u.s prison system has a massive advantage in that um there's enough like
00:40:09.620really insane thugs and stuff in the prison system that they always have a threat of like
00:40:16.340oh we'll send you to like the bad juvenile hall or oh what if you commit this we can send you to
00:40:23.080adult prison or if you do this like we can extend your child if it could sentence till you're 25
00:40:30.16025 i've been listening to some stories on the american juvenilesis
00:40:35.820system that like they actually do have like a shockingly good amount of leverage over these
00:44:21.140which is that you have a well-respected authority,
00:44:25.200not an authority in the prison or in government,
00:44:27.340No, a well-respected prisoner or someone they know who can put them in a proper path where they believe it is better for them to do a legal life.
00:44:38.240But the problem is getting that kind of personal attention and having those people to properly be able to do that is incredibly hard.
00:44:46.400But by the very nature of that person getting on that right track, he expects to get out of the prison system.
00:44:52.000So for him to be able to stay there and help other people get out is a really hard thing.
00:44:57.040it exists, we can do it. It's just the same as having some troubled youth being set on the right
00:45:03.280path. It's shockingly little how much you need to have that happen, but getting it to happen at the
00:45:09.620right time, at the right place, and having that message properly getting set in, it's an enormous
00:45:14.960amount of human intelligence that on a state level cannot be properly implemented. You can do
00:45:50.060and part of the reason that it is very
00:45:51.740interested in the case of luigi mangione is because obviously this is a an amazing test case
00:45:59.480for like the possibility of um civilian resistance to tyranny like uh we can debate the united
00:46:08.680health care assassination until we're blue in the face of whether it was just five whether the u.s
00:46:13.880health care system is a form of tyranny uh whether luigi was a hero or whether he was like
00:46:20.180like a madman or whether he's just like like a delusional leftist looking for clout clout but it
00:46:27.540but there are certainly tyrants other possible tyrants out there that we might say no this is
00:46:35.560the appropriate way to resist you know a a like a tyrannical government whether you think that's
00:46:46.080like the tyrannical governments of Europe right now,
00:46:50.780or whether you think that's like, I don't know, Tootler,
00:46:53.420or whether you think that civilians would want to fight back against the cartels,
00:47:02.880or whether you think they'd want to fight back against,
00:47:05.480like you might think Bukele is a dictator who's turning his country into a fascist hellscape,
00:47:12.640Or you might think he's a hero and individuals might want to implement his methods on their lonesome using Luigi Manchioni tactics.
00:47:24.900whatever side of the political spectrum you're on, there's a very pressing question of whether
00:47:32.120or not the individual or like groups of civilians can effectively resist a centralized by state
00:47:45.100backed machine and the elite of that machine. And the Luigi case is interesting because the answer
00:47:51.880is well it's inclusive he he did it very successfully and then he was caught but but
00:47:59.620it was like nice edge of whether he'd be caught or not and that's where where i really wanted to
00:48:07.700discuss it because this is this is the politics of the next hundred years really because
00:48:15.420democratic institutions to the extent you think they're democratic are just not responsive
00:48:21.620You know, everyone basically agrees, although no one agrees on the reason of why governments are becoming less and less responsive to the public and less and less able to advance their interests and more and more seemingly dead set on extracting value from the populations that they're normally to benefit.
00:48:43.360And the question of whether members of the population, whether idealistic individuals can effectively apply pressure to the elite of their country, whether they can water the tree of liberty, as it were, that seemed like the most important political question, one that wasn't getting discussed at all.
00:49:13.360Well, I would think we're getting there.
00:49:18.820Getting an idea of how and why someone would try to do this
00:49:22.240because it's a big part of seeing how this shift in politics is going to happen.
00:49:28.460Because the big thing about Luigi that is different from so many previous killers
00:49:33.940is that he is a somewhat well-adjusted and intelligent man
00:49:37.340who in most other cases in our society would simply not do this
00:54:21.300So in that case, people feel that they are a authority who have complete control over the situation and they feel justified in applying violence in that case.
00:54:40.560It's incredibly rare that it's happening.
00:54:41.920But culturally, let's say, it's a very common thing for large parts of the world, including old Swedish, the old Sweden, everything like that.
00:54:51.020But this is explaining an example of how it could have happened.
00:54:55.000So you have someone who believes themselves to be a complete authority figure, and they are justified in applying violence.
01:06:33.000mockery from the israelis like oh you're just a retard you're a dumb leftist from plus a lot of1.00
01:06:39.020the mockery like from people you think would support someone like uh going out of their way0.99
01:06:46.340to protest israel like a lot of the people who think that the u.s should stop funny israel like
01:06:51.620right-wingers were aggressively mocking him and implicit in a lot of it was why did you burn
01:06:59.140yourself why didn't you burn them yeah like uh like that was that was the dark tone of a lot of
01:07:07.080social media is like like why did you self-emulate why didn't you suicide bomb which is like0.91
01:07:14.360like a radical radical break from like again a hundred two hundred three hundred years of the
01:07:22.940western tradition that um i'm not sure where it comes from it might have come from like all the
01:07:30.340suicide bombings of like the 2000s it might be like post 9-11 like the idea of um
01:07:37.480that like if you're giving your life to a cause the the value of your life is now measured by like
01:07:45.420the physical impact of your final moments a.d rachel like uh
01:07:52.940But yeah, there's like some, some perverse like cyberpunk switch has flipped where it's gone from like, like, um, no, you have to like die beautifully in your last moments, you know, the samurai death poem type, type by Gil 2.
01:08:11.720now it's like no no if you're going going to go out you have to go on a blaze of glory and you have
01:08:18.340to like like you're going to be like really perversely like you didn't value of your life
01:08:25.840is going to be like measured by is now measured by like how good your manifesto was how good your
01:08:31.980body count was uh who was in the body count of like the people you you took out like you you see
01:08:40.680you see this like meta forming yeah where it's like um where's like uncle ted oh that uh ted
01:08:51.360kaczynski the unabomber it's like oh no one really remembers anyone who killed or what his victims
01:08:57.540were but he wrote a really good manifesto so like he becomes kind of kind of same or luigi you know
01:09:04.160his manifesto sucked but he took out a fortune 500 ceo so he becomes sainted whereas like0.98
01:09:12.640whereas like um the trans school shooters um it's like oh your manifesto sucks and your cause is1.00
01:09:22.540like not beloved and you targeted children oh you're a loser we're we're just gonna mock you0.99
01:09:28.560But Aaron Bushnell, even though the neo-Nazis agreed with his cause, his cause, his file moans for impotence, so he's going to be mocked anyway, and he didn't write a good manifesto.0.96
01:09:43.900It's funny, I'm reading the Wikipedia of self-immolations right now, and it is Black Lives Matter activists, Indians protesting racism, it's all this.
01:10:54.060But no, compared to the 60s, self-immolation is maybe the worst trade-off in terms of the effort and cost to the actual impact.
01:11:12.560I think it would depend on what target you're going against.0.83
01:11:15.280I would think that what is different from him, contrary, let's say, the British Empire, with all the Indians doing the self-immolation, is that Israel didn't flinch at all.0.92
01:11:27.220Everyone on all sides could see that that would never in any world cause Israel to change its political course.0.89
01:11:35.300So then obviously you just mock it because it's completely impotent.
01:11:41.000Oh, no, he wasn't protesting to get Israel to change.
01:11:44.920She's protesting to, like, get the American Western public to change, which, like, arguably, like, it did have, like, some of it effect that, like, you know, if you think, like, how quickly the Western public has, like, soured on Israel or, like, curned on Israel in terms of, like, in terms of, like, the disgust and tiredness with Gaza.
01:12:14.040Like, you know, maybe Aaron Bushnell accelerated that trend by, like, a few weeks or a month.
01:12:22.860That, like, if he hadn't have done it, like, Americans would be, like, a few weeks or a month less tired of, um, uh, Gazan less, like, tired of turned off on it.
01:12:37.180But, uh, even that might be, like, ascribing too much impact to it.
01:12:43.060but it was meant to affect like the western public it wasn't meant
01:12:47.120he didn't expect um he didn't expect netanyahu to suddenly have pangs of feeling for him even the
01:12:54.320western public the most people who heard that story didn't properly understand that he was
01:12:59.500trying to influence those other governments and even if they would understand that he was trying
01:13:04.080to do that most of them don't read the news properly enough to understand what is even
01:13:08.040happening down there so it's completely impotent like no one understands or flinches to change
01:13:14.500what they are doing from his actions so we obviously mock it well again going to the other
01:13:20.620others where the where they had a good political impact for what they wanted to happen then they
01:13:26.740are lionized as heroes efficiency is always respected more or less in history
01:17:30.120this is one of the like interesting challenges of like a lot of modern opsec stuff is that um
01:17:39.240there's this like profound tension between um the radical decay and noise that like affects
01:17:50.020evidence and the incredible precision of like a lot of modern um investigative techniques
01:17:57.080so like so like uh you think well i'm kind of on camera what you're screwed it's like well
01:18:07.140Well, actually, like, a lot of cameras, like, within shops or other places, especially, like, mow-and-pop shops, like, there's a lot, like, to this day, like, cops go into convenience stores that have been stuck up, and the cameras just sell work.
01:18:28.980Or the cameras were, like, fake ones that were bought off the internet.
01:18:33.100net is like uh that's not a roll in it a camera roll
01:18:37.620yeah like no no no like uh the the old digital cameras if you don't want to pay full price
01:18:47.140fresh you can buy just like the external shell that looks like a camera but it's not actually
01:18:52.700doing anything it's just like you know a psychological effect that people think they're
01:18:57.060being watched and like um there's a lot of cases of stuff like like that or um you know cameras
01:19:06.020cameras don't store too infinite hard drives like uh within a few weeks to a month they loop back
01:19:15.440and overwrite the uh previous previous data because you aren't going to buy infinite hard
01:19:21.700drives just to store you know people walking in and out of the store that that there's this
01:19:28.640constant tension between all these all these investigative techniques like are very powerful
01:19:34.520like the nypd's um facial recognition team like ket does have software that they can just follow
01:19:42.860up from police camera to police camera to police camera and like like can probably almost certainly
01:19:48.320get into like um the new york subway system cameras without like getting up from their desk
01:19:55.640and like probably have access to several other systems like that and um what we were talking
01:20:00.780with um uh we're discussing this on the heat podcast the ring cameras they're on your um
01:20:11.740they're on a lot of um houses that look for porch pirates and stuff those baloney's time could be
01:20:19.080remote access by the place a lot some companies still allow the police remote access to those
01:20:24.920which um actually they're that good the cameras themselves aren't that good like someone across
01:20:31.200the street or someone on the street like um they're going to be able to pick out like faces
01:20:36.300with any detail but if there's an active chase they can see you run by and like might even be
01:20:43.140able to delay trace you in terms of delay other cameras that way or if there's like an active
01:20:51.820terrorist incident they could access them but um the big compromise is if you have those ring
01:20:59.680cameras and you don't own the hard drive that they're storing the data on and you come under
01:21:07.680investigation the police can and will like sneak a peek of your cameras to see when you got home
01:21:15.700when did you leave home where were you between the hours of x and y like that that is something
01:21:24.380to be like very aware of and like not what but like state security cameras on your own property
01:21:32.060thinking that they're your cameras when they're not your cameras but the thing is all these advanced
01:21:37.100ops like investigative techniques all these like like tricks with stingrays and cell phones and
01:21:44.140And basically the entire east coast of the United States has this payroll system that has automatic cameras.
01:21:55.880When I drive, when I go to D.C. or New York City, I almost, I always get a thing in the mail that even if you have like a Canadian or an out-of-state license plate, they will mail you the bill for these toll roads.
01:22:14.980And yeah, pay your all, she'll be pulled over the next time you're in the States, in those States.0.50
01:22:21.660um those track and like and like record where your license plate was at various points and
01:22:30.700that information is available to the police if they if you come under suspicion or if there's
01:22:36.200a big enough event they'll just start going through all the license plates that were in a
01:22:40.460given area at a time on that road system but the thing is all these advanced stuff you think
01:22:48.100you start thinking, oh, we're living in the
01:23:16.100like information theory value of a lot of it is like highly limited so like um
01:23:25.060taking the example of luigi manzioni manzioni he performs this assassination and he was on his
01:23:31.780a cell phone that we think was a burner phone about 15 minutes before the
01:23:37.240assassination so like within 200 300 meters of where he shot this guy he was on his cell phone
01:23:45.580talking and a lot of people are saying oh it's downtown manhattan there are thousands and
01:23:51.640thousands of people down there who are who are talking on their cell phones all the time this
01:23:58.300isn't viable and it's like actually no at that precise minute because he's calling camera doing
01:24:03.080it so they know that the suspect at the precise moment of um 6 30 i think it was or 6 37 uh
01:24:12.080am was talking on his cell phone you know they can go through the cell records and see
01:24:18.320well within like a 500 meter circle of there because all the all the salt showers triangulate
01:24:27.320where cell phones are they can usually get you within like 50 meters if it's pinging or they
01:24:33.860want to get you this is why um for those of you at home who like ever imagine that you might have
01:24:40.240to like um carry out a like suspicious act or like need to be invisible or like resist the
01:24:48.580government or like maybe hide out from the cartels go online and order faraday bags right now
01:24:54.700because those what you do is you physically put the cell phone in them and this present prevents
01:25:00.740them from pinging cell towers from like recording gps signals because your google phone or like
01:25:07.260your Apple phone, even if you put on airplane mode, it's still receiving signals from the GPS
01:25:13.220towers and is recording your GPS location, even though it's not transmitting a signal. And then
01:25:20.000the very second you go back on Wi-Fi, the first data package that goes out is a data package to
01:25:26.860either Google or Apple with the history of your GPS locations while it was on airplane mode.
01:25:34.100like uh your cell phone if it is on it is tracking you is tracking your exact location
01:25:40.660but if you put it in like a 20 30 dollar faraday bag or um if you don't have a fairy bag you can0.92
01:25:48.880wrap it in tin foil which is like embarrassing it makes you look like a loser and like you
01:25:53.700couldn't have tears in the tin foil or whatnot but it works but uh but putting it in the faraday
01:26:00.960play it blocks it it becomes like a complete data void for the time it's in there just make sure you
01:26:07.980turn it off first or it will um or it will quickly drain its battery like trying to like
01:26:14.100increase its signal to like connect goes all tower walls in there but um but like even
01:26:23.080luigi magione on his cell phone 10 minutes before the hit within like 200 300 meters of where the
01:26:31.720um child happened uh uh luigi magione there he
01:26:41.540was probably not done in by that saltpaw call like even if they managed to like identify
01:26:49.460that cell phone call was coming from this cell phone phone in this area a we know we basically
01:26:58.900know it was a burning burner phone because they didn't release his like name and identifying
01:27:03.040information nation so if they had that they would have had to released it because you know there's
01:27:11.100liability stuff and also like there's no point not to release it that you have a person of interest
01:27:16.120that you're like trying to reach or find and then you can like if anyone's hiding hiding him then
01:27:23.480you can hit them with accessory charges if they like don't don't report him or seem to hide
01:27:30.340hide him but the thing is uh even having him on that burner phone uh that in and of itself
01:27:40.840wouldn't have done him in if there wasn't physical evidence or if he didn't confess um
01:27:47.520the burner phone itself if he has like ditched it would have been gone and even if it was like um
01:27:54.820but you imagine the worst case scenario where it's registered to him in his name uh they get
01:28:01.400a unique identifying number they can immediately call up his um his cell provider and get yeah
01:28:08.200This is this person of this address, address who paid for it, pays for it with this cell, this credit card.
01:28:18.820That's, that's really flimsy in a court because it's just like, oh, we have, we have the word of this ring of people that this cell phone call was from this guy.
01:28:38.200guy at this time and that matches up with this camera footage in a court like your defense
01:28:46.880attorney if you don't talk to the police if you don't immediately confess if you like just say
01:28:53.360i want a lawyer i want a lawyer i want a wire and like give them them nothing and your lawyer is
01:28:59.940responsible and says no my client is not making statements at this time they have to prove they'd
01:29:05.360have to prove if they just have that they'd have to prove in court that that you were that guy
01:29:13.380on that that cell phone and that that was not one of the thousands of other cell phones in
01:29:20.640the area like in terms of narrowing it down to a suspect that's very useful
01:29:25.540evidence in terms of like actually producing a conviction that's like
01:29:31.040that's actually very weak evidence you know that's not tying to merlep and that's not
01:29:37.280tying to anything else you just have have this chain of like camera footage and
01:29:43.960and the hypothesis that of the range of these cell cell towers uh that can like sort of
01:29:56.400triangulate within a few hundred meters that that your cell phone which pinged there happened to
01:30:03.160coincide with this cell phone that they see on a camera also talking there around the same time
01:30:10.020that would not be a conviction like um even though that's like dead to rights even though
01:30:18.040that's like the worst opsec violation you can imagine of like your actual cell phone
01:30:24.640registered your name and your credit card in that area at that that time coinciding exactly with um
01:30:36.280the suspect in the in the hit making a cell phone call if that's all they have you're going to
01:30:44.380either either walk or you're going or they're going to give you the most generous plea bargain
01:34:35.920like if all the steps down from there if you are wanted enough and if the state or whoever it is
01:34:43.380decides well we're going to find someone just being recorded might be enough for sort of say
01:34:48.980that sort of a extra extra judicial action where a state goes in and just picks someone and takes
01:34:55.440you out but if you don't do something or let's say if you operate in a place where you don't
01:35:01.640have the state being able to do that i would think even the american prison system or a justice
01:35:06.180system is not there yet like the security union from don't be recorded has a lot of steps where
01:35:12.100you have a lot of security before you actually are in trouble and sort of say get got like i did a
01:35:18.540quick write-off of the security onion so don't be recorded don't have overlapping types of recordings
01:35:24.460don't emit id info don't give suspicion in emitted info don't leave physical evidence
01:35:31.020don't have evidence linked to the previous info don't cause suspicion in law enforcement
01:35:36.500don't self-incriminate don't give up until conviction which obviously like looking at
01:35:43.060that kind of thing luigi he failed in a lot of the different steps most as far as we know from
01:35:49.200the official things that have gotten out like the last three steps were horrible like just horrible
01:35:54.460he really failed there but well this is this is the thing so if we posit that um
01:36:03.740if we posit which i think his defense attorneys this is why he hasn't accepted a plea bargain
01:36:10.440If we posit that the evidence he was found with was planted, like, he was actually fairly disciplined in terms of, like, not giving up until he was caught.
01:36:32.300Obviously, presenting the fake ID to the cop was, like, a horrible idea because that gives probable cause.
01:36:38.140It causes suspicion in law enforcement.
01:41:31.400And a lot of the OPSEC stuff has to do with cell phones, which I do want to write a piece at some point on just electronic emissions as well as digital OPSEC.
01:41:43.080Because a lot of people think that their online tracking, like Google searches and whatnot, are going to condemn them, which is the case when they're an obvious suspect.
01:42:01.400So, like, prosecutors love bringing up how to hide a dead body.
01:42:07.400Google searches around, like, people who murder their wives.
01:42:12.020But really, like, Google searches and stuff like that simply do not leak as much information as you think.
01:42:22.000because so many people are googling so much