Asatru Folk Assembly - August 27, 2026


8⧸26⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 216 - Hobbies


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00:03:00.000 Welcome, everyone.
00:03:09.220 Welcome, law speaker.
00:03:11.380 Hope you guys are having a fantastic August.
00:03:16.760 I will say I was nervous moving down here to Majestic Volunteer State.
00:03:23.740 I thought it was going to be miserably hot and humid all summer.
00:03:28.160 It was not.
00:03:28.860 Not to say it was not hot and humid, it was, but it was not intolerable, so I appreciate that.
00:03:35.820 That's beside the point. Welcome to Victory Never Sleeps.
00:03:40.540 Tonight, we are joined once again for Lessons in Adulting by the adult par excellence,
00:03:49.880 law speaker Alan Turnage, here to teach us the way.
00:03:54.180 At least the adult par experience.
00:03:54.900 so he is going to talk about hobbies and dopamine and such and sundry so i'm looking forward to that
00:04:09.780 um good things to know we have fixed our back-end processing stuff appreciate everybody's patience
00:04:20.100 we are once again wide open for taking donations and they are greatly
00:04:24.900 appreciated especially after the little mini drought that we've had there anybody
00:04:30.020 interested our phrase off situation trying to make it more friendly to our
00:04:37.720 listeners who are not catching this in an audio or in a visual presentation so
00:04:43.860 The chart there says we are 42.7% of the way paid off.
00:04:49.060 It means we have about $65,976 to go.
00:04:54.760 That's to pay off our newest, our fifth half that was dedicated just this last December the 6th.
00:05:02.920 And he's trying to cut us 5% because he's dyslexic apparently.
00:05:07.160 47.2%, not 42.7%.
00:05:10.680 Appreciate that correction.
00:05:13.860 and it adds five percent, so I'll take it.
00:05:19.600 Yeah, so anyways, that breaks down to $89 per member.
00:05:27.900 We'd pay that off as a point of perspective.
00:05:32.860 Also, the other thing we are pushing is our pavilion at Cigarhane.
00:05:40.100 it is 31.2 percent paid off uh we still have about twenty four thousand and twenty three
00:05:51.740 dollars that we are trying to raise on it um idea is to have that pavilion up and operational
00:05:57.700 by einherjabloh we'll see how that comes a lot of that depends on you know you kind folks and
00:06:05.740 your generosity. But this is much appreciated and awesome headway. Nick, do you have the picture
00:06:11.940 handy of the progress that we made this last weekend? Of course, I don't. Give me two seconds.
00:06:21.060 But you will hear you. You will while I'm still talking about it. So I'll tell you this.
00:06:24.640 Talking about the lovely state of Tennessee, the area that we are in in Jackson County is quite
00:06:29.860 abundant. This month we celebrated Lord Frayer and his abundance on the green growing things
00:06:36.720 of the earth, and that is in full effect at Sigurheim. So with our zero-term lawnmower
00:06:44.180 and a good head of speed and some folks manning a chainsaw, we cleared a chunk. That looks
00:06:52.280 like a tiny little chunk, but it's quite massive. I think it's 48-ish by 70-ish, so that's going to
00:07:02.480 make a really nice pavilion space. We cleared all that out, and we've got earthwork and foundation
00:07:09.260 work incoming on it, so looking forward to that. Appreciate everybody's contributions,
00:07:13.520 and that breaks down to $29 per member or, all right, $32 per member, my apologies, would pay
00:07:25.720 that off immediately. But yeah, thanks everybody for your donations. Thanks for your generosity.
00:07:31.020 And Gilbert Page, in the time I was speaking, you donated $150 towards Frazehoff. We appreciate
00:07:38.560 you so much a consistent donor on the program and a uh stellar gentleman that it would do y'all well
00:07:46.640 to get to know um that's what i've got as top of the show notes for people law speaker tell us
00:07:57.600 about hobbies and such if you would okay i will and gilbert makes a nice transition because as you
00:08:04.880 can see the carved axe handle right here gifted to me by that self-same Gilbert Page
00:08:17.360 wood carver who can turn a block of wood into something very beautiful and
00:08:26.000 and I much appreciate the display quality of that gift so thank you personally there Mr. Page
00:08:34.880 Look, and I want to start off talking about hobbies by talking about why it's important to start developing hobbies and why it is adult level engagement with the multiverse.
00:08:55.480 um and as you guys know i'm always on about this thing right here the sole bifurcation device but
00:09:04.680 studies continue to show what uh harmful effects
00:09:11.840 scrolling on that little screen has um on your posture but more importantly on your brain
00:09:20.400 um i don't want to name any of the companies but we know who they are the vulgar um vested
00:09:31.520 interests of the powers that be whose sole purpose is to keep your eyes attached to that device
00:09:40.680 and so that's why to me it's both a topic and a religious a matter of religious import because
00:09:51.640 this is because you're you're at some level your time is all that you have
00:09:58.520 and your soul is the most important thing that you own sorry for that inartful phrasing
00:10:06.100 but that is your most precious possession I'm not saying it that way so 1.00
00:10:11.440 to let so much of it leak away into that uh one-eyed idiot maker um is uh you know is 0.99
00:10:22.240 but I'm going to try to show you the path clear so um I was one of the I realized the irony 0.99
00:10:30.400 because, you know, I was watching a YouTube video
00:10:33.620 while I was working at the time.
00:10:35.520 So I'm watching this YouTube video
00:10:37.400 from a neurosurgeon in Great Britain.
00:10:42.580 And what he was talking about, again,
00:10:44.680 was the way that these screen devices work
00:10:49.320 and it's social media, it's news,
00:10:55.920 It's whatever those infotainment things are that I don't participate in.
00:11:03.920 But what they are designed to do is every time when you're scrolling or when you open a screen like that, it gives you a splash.
00:11:12.920 And what that splash does, the splash effect in your brain causes a release of dopamine.
00:11:19.240 dopamine, as you may know, is the pleasure chemical, like your brain gets this little wash of excitement, of thrill, of satisfaction when you, you know, open a post and it either angers you or titillates you.
00:11:42.840 Either one of those can cause basically similar reactions that cause this release of dopamine and serotonin, and what happens as you continue that habit over weeks and months and years, it damps down your dopamine response,
00:12:08.540 So that after just a few minutes of that, first of all, on the screen, after just a few minutes of scrolling or watching, let's say, short-form content on those various platforms, you develop a tolerance for dopamine.
00:12:36.040 First of all, it depletes your dopamine reserve, and then your brain develops tolerance.
00:12:44.920 So it's like if you put your hand in the heat enough, or if you live in the heat long enough, like some of us have, you just develop a tolerance for it.
00:12:54.940 So it takes more and more of whatever, it takes more and more stimulation to cause your dopamine center to react.
00:13:06.040 So it causes more and more elevation before you get that same feeling of
00:13:12.940 satisfaction or that same feeling of excitement.
00:13:18.140 And at that stage,
00:13:20.820 then mere reality is dimmed in comparison to online stuff,
00:13:30.820 you know,
00:13:31.040 because you don't get that constant strobe-like effect that's causing this what is basically a neurophysiological response.
00:13:43.760 So because of that, your brain becomes weakened to the stimulation of normal reality.
00:13:58.460 and um and really i think it's a pretty good analogy um there are there are many that i
00:14:05.980 thought about in preparation for tonight's show but um you know the um and one i thought that
00:14:14.600 our fearless leader here might relate to it's like you know after seeing all of this stuff
00:14:22.460 on the internet it's like then if you go to the gym it's like man i you know i lifted weights for
00:14:27.460 10 minutes and didn't get any result. I'm just going to go back and watch some YouTube.
00:14:31.340 I'm just going to go back and scroll through some TikTok.
00:14:35.640 That brings us around to hobbies, right?
00:14:40.060 And that's why, and in fact,
00:14:42.180 that what this neurosurgeon related that he was an addicted doom scroller,
00:14:53.420 although we call it gloat scrolling at the moment,
00:14:56.220 But he said that when he first started researching this topic, that he was spending two hours a day, you know, just hunched over his phone, looking for the next little, to him, like, you know, at this rational level, you're looking for what's the next news story?
00:15:18.180 What's the next cool little dance that I can react to?
00:15:24.280 But at the animal level, you know, what it is, it's thrill and activating your final flight response and, you know, having this dopamine buzz going on all the time.
00:15:41.480 So when he first started looking into it and realized how much danger he was putting himself in, he quit, but it took him a while to get off the habit.
00:15:51.740 So what he realized was that he had to develop other hobbies. And so he had some examples. Of course, there are lots of examples out there. I'll give you a few of mine and those that have responded well with other people.
00:16:10.800 But the first one that related well to me and relates back to topics that I've talked about before, being debt conscious, cash conscious, is cooking.
00:16:28.340 I don't know if you, I mean, anyone who has accepted my invitation to come down to the property here and indulged in Ann's wonderful cooking, you know, that's, being able to cook at that level is not something that just happens.
00:16:47.580 You know, that's accumulation of a lifetime of trial and error, of learning what works and what doesn't work.
00:16:59.320 And that is the dopamine.
00:17:01.300 And that's a perfect example of this dopamine pivot that you have to make in order to maintain the integrity of your personality.
00:17:12.840 Because cooking or lifting weights or doing Kung Fu, those are all things that the animal brain properly engages the dopamine response in the sense that like when you first get started, like when you walk into the gym, you know, there may be a little bit of feeling of dread.
00:17:39.820 um there may be like the anticipation that this is gonna suck for a while um but then when you
00:17:47.400 get finished you have a feeling of accomplishment and that's what the dopamine is for you know you
00:17:55.740 you know you've you've faced a challenge you pushed through it and ah like we you get this
00:18:03.500 little rush in your head um that is the reward the physio chemical reward for having done
00:18:13.740 uh you know a rewarding and uh important activity that you can get that um by scrolling
00:18:27.180 i'm not even gonna say it i said tick tock that's close enough you scroll through tick tock and get
00:18:32.540 that little buzz every now and then or you can learn to cook and if you cook and make a wonderful
00:18:37.820 meal that you can where you can feed your family for a third the cost of what it takes to get
00:18:44.300 terrible food food that is terrible for you and doesn't cough doesn't taste as good as what you
00:18:50.380 can make it on you know you're you you know that's a three-way win you're eating better food you're
00:18:56.780 You're giving yourself a good, you're giving your brain a little good dopamine reward and
00:19:02.580 you're saving lots and lots of money, so that's the trifecta of adulting, right, is doing
00:19:09.220 hard things and feeling satisfied about those results.
00:19:16.320 So the other kinds of hobbies that this guy suggests, and I've looked around at some other
00:19:23.300 stuff like one of the um he divides it and i'm not going to necessarily use all his categories
00:19:28.660 but one of the things he suggests is like nature hobbies okay take a walk out there in the uh you
00:19:37.940 know on the outskirts of the development where the concrete hasn't quite killed the planet um
00:19:44.820 Just this morning, I saw a barred owl out there on our property, and because I was leaving work early, I just stood there for 10 minutes and watched him, maybe her, groom himself.
00:19:59.800 So that was just cool to get out there. Again, you know, when he flew silently away after getting tired of being under observation, you know, that I got this little, that was cool, man.
00:20:14.380 You know, it was just neat to see that little piece of nature that I would have missed if I'd been in too much of a hurry, if I'd been leaned over my phone.
00:20:27.660 Also, at the suggestion, actually, he didn't suggest it to me.
00:20:32.820 He said he's been doing it.
00:20:34.500 Um, uh, Goathe Mayo, uh, talked about the fact that he's been doing rucking. 0.86
00:20:43.900 So, uh, I, my ruck pack is on order and I'm going to start, you know, I've got like a 0.81
00:20:53.680 two mile loop that I can walk, um, down the Bat driveway and around down the undeveloped
00:21:00.920 part of this beautiful part of north florida where yes it's always hot and muddy um but you
00:21:07.760 know i'm gonna get a little bit of extra reward from that by uh loading down my back as an aside
00:21:16.500 i recently read that that's one of the the real strengths of humanity that um that that's our
00:21:25.200 real one of one of the prompts of our evolution is that we can walk while carrying things that seems
00:21:32.640 odd but you know of course and actually of course one that's one of my hobbies is delving into these
00:21:37.360 odd little um bits of history um psychosocial theory so forth and etc but like most animals
00:21:48.400 if they kill something they eat it right there we can carry it we can and that's
00:21:55.840 you know we have these thumb things and so we can take a big joint of meat and
00:22:01.720 carry it back to the tribe we also have the endurance energy much more so like
00:22:11.640 we can't sprint like a deer but we can out lope a deer you know we can chase
00:22:16.720 them until we wear them down so you can practice that and oddly at my son's
00:22:23.980 insistence I am going to get my hunting license and we're going to go hunting
00:22:32.260 this fall I haven't been hunting in a long time but YouTube tells me that it's
00:22:39.760 a fun thing to do um to engage my manliness and kill things um so the other thing that like this
00:22:51.460 guy says is to uh like another of his categories is people hobbies right and he talks about
00:22:59.460 i don't know that i would do this but this is one of the things he did he had moved to this new town
00:23:05.340 it's england i don't know where it's at but he moved to some new town out there and so he would
00:23:10.600 just walk up to people at the coffee shop and go hey you know my name is mark i just moved here
00:23:17.140 how are you and for a lot of people you know that's a real you know that generates a lot of
00:23:24.540 social anxiety but a few times i've done that i have done it but a few times i've done that is i
00:23:31.000 find that people really after that initial little you know what's wrong with you they
00:23:38.280 most of them are really open and receptive and want to talk about their favorite topic which is
00:23:42.840 themselves how are you what are you doing what are you working on can i sit here a minute and
00:23:47.880 you know get to know you a little bit that's just one thing that's that you don't have to do that
00:23:54.440 But obviously, physical fitness is, you know, another hobby that you can engage in.
00:24:02.720 You can, Matt will show you how to lift heavy weights.
00:24:08.800 I'll show you how to gouge somebody's eyes out.
00:24:14.720 We'll practice on people that we don't like.
00:24:16.940 But those are the sorts of things that, again, it's a slow response,
00:24:25.580 and that's the reason why you develop these hobbies instead of avoiding hobbies
00:24:31.040 by doing stuff, because you get a reward for it later, not instantly.
00:24:38.980 I thought it was interesting, too, the way that he talked about watching old movies.
00:24:46.940 And the reason is old movie, instead of, I've sort of outgrown the superhero genre.
00:24:58.200 Although I have to say the new Spider-Man was pretty cool in 3D because they do a lot of the,
00:25:05.760 there's a lot of video of him traveling through the town, you know, doing the web sling things and, you know, swinging on his web.
00:25:14.380 so I hate to say it but that was pretty cool
00:25:16.940 I got a little rush out of that
00:25:18.500 but the older movies
00:25:20.420 have that slow
00:25:22.880 build you know
00:25:24.540 they start off they lay out the story
00:25:26.660 it's slow it's plot plot
00:25:28.640 plot plot plot and then to a climax
00:25:30.520 so
00:25:31.900 learning to tolerate that
00:25:35.980 over 98
00:25:38.660 minutes or 2 hours
00:25:39.860 and getting a little bit slower build
00:25:42.600 to that
00:25:44.240 uh to that closure of satisfaction is good practice and two hours is not a long time
00:25:52.160 and you know unless you're so burned out on two minute videos that you don't feel like you can
00:26:00.880 watch something like that to a conclusion which is a real shame and really suggest that that's
00:26:06.640 you know that that's a spot that you need to be working on um
00:26:11.200 the other thing that i thought was a good idea is to learn to knit or learn something like that
00:26:21.280 and again you're you're making something um and this guy said that his mother had to do that
00:26:28.260 because she was so you you know like after six eight years of having that phone in her hand all
00:26:33.940 the time and scroll scroll scroll fiddle fiddle fiddle but she needed something to do with her 1.00
00:26:38.420 hands and that um you know that knitting can give you that little fidget so you can
00:26:46.820 have a long conversation with people and engage in uh in that at a deep level um while keeping
00:26:55.340 your hands busy and you know i've never been a smoker and luckily um but to me it would have
00:27:03.000 The nicotine would have been certainly hard to get rid of, but the fidget, having something to do, I'm just sitting around, you know, waiting for something to happen.
00:27:15.440 And now I admit I have had times on my phone where, you know, I spend too much time because it's because I want something to do.
00:27:25.980 I want something to fidget with.
00:27:28.420 I picked up my guitar again.
00:27:33.000 I won't torture you with any rendition of anything that I've started working on.
00:27:39.300 But again, just, you know, I've started learning the guitar again after decades of just having the carrying that guitar all over the place with me, trying to learn to play that again.
00:27:54.120 And so, you know, once again, that's another one of those hobbies that, like, in the moment, it's tough to spend that 20, 30, 40 minutes, you know, torturing the guitar.
00:28:12.400 But then after I have played it for a little bit, you know, like after a week, I'll think, man, you know, that wasn't as bad as it was last week.
00:28:20.800 So it wasn't quite as terrible as it was before.
00:28:24.120 I also got my juggling balls back out.
00:28:29.980 They're right back here.
00:28:32.400 They're back here somewhere.
00:28:33.940 Anyway, so, you know, again, this is that kind of hobby where, like,
00:28:39.320 instead of if I get five, ten minutes of downtime,
00:28:42.380 instead of reaching for the one-eyed monster,
00:28:51.340 I will, you know, get, get my, I will juggle or pick up a guitar.
00:28:57.200 I bought a sketchbook, but I haven't started using it yet.
00:29:02.000 Sorry.
00:29:03.120 You know, that, that too is one of those things where I haven't done in a long time.
00:29:09.140 And, you know, I feel like it would be fun for those who, for those people who can draw and we, you know,
00:29:15.300 like the beautiful work that Madison East does for us,
00:29:19.920 you know, the artwork that people can create
00:29:23.020 that are good at that stuff,
00:29:24.100 I'm extremely jealous of,
00:29:25.820 but I have to get over the idea
00:29:29.340 of comparing myself to somebody
00:29:30.620 that's been doing a long time.
00:29:32.220 I can, you know, I can fiddle with something
00:29:34.420 and draw a little stick figure
00:29:35.560 and get the idea
00:29:36.980 and get a little better at it over time.
00:29:40.600 um the other thing um and there are lots of uh lists and abilities there's lots of stuff out
00:29:52.520 there that uh that you can do um another source for those sorts of things um is um you know
00:30:03.900 as some of you may know i went through the strenuous life challenge a couple years ago
00:30:10.340 and one of the things on the Art of Manliness website
00:30:14.240 is they have a list of hobbies.
00:30:16.100 They have a list of manly hobbies.
00:30:19.080 The men probably has a similar thing.
00:30:22.880 There's probably a lot of overlap.
00:30:24.980 But, you know, wood carving, as some of you know, too,
00:30:32.600 I have started keeping bees.
00:30:35.180 That, too, is one of those slow burn hobbies.
00:30:38.240 like there are weeks and weeks where nothing happens.
00:30:41.980 But still, every day I drive past my bee yard and many days I'll just go out there
00:30:47.480 and watch the bees go in and out of the hive.
00:30:51.640 And it's oddly satisfying to think, you know, man, those bees are working for me.
00:31:01.820 And it's cool to be able to do that.
00:31:05.140 And again, that's a, you know, like it's been two years and I'm finally starting to get a little steady trickle of honey out of the hives and it's very satisfying to get that sort of reward out of something that takes a long time to manifest and is not, you know, instant flash and instant reward, but, you know, but takes a long time to turn into something that's worthwhile.
00:31:35.140 Oh, the other part of this, and this is, I don't know the neurological terms for it,
00:31:50.900 but one of the things that gave me added perspective after watching this guy's video was he talked
00:32:00.900 about boredom right and that your that your brain is designed to be bored sometimes we've reached
00:32:11.860 this place in our i hesitate the word culture or civilization because i'm not sure that either of
00:32:20.100 those fits the current zeitgeist but there we're at this place in in history in the current
00:32:27.420 manifestation where we have constant entertainment, we have a constant stimulation, and we're
00:32:38.520 afraid to be bored.
00:32:41.020 But that's one of the things that your brain needs to freewheel so that ideas can manifest.
00:32:49.680 You can do some planning. Um, you can think about some of your longer term hobbies, like, is it time to get out there and take the, um, the roll mic treatment out of the bee yard? Um, is it time to go cut down muscadine vines that, you know, those sorts of things can, can come into mind.
00:33:16.180 And if you are, if you leave your brains on idle time, reading a book, you know, it's, you know, again, it's slow form content.
00:33:34.240 But, you know, but I just finished a book that was sort of an autobiography of this writer.
00:33:46.940 He became a newspaper man and won the Pulitzer Prize for journalism, writing for the New York Times.
00:33:56.640 after growing up in a very poor part of rural alabama which is you know about an hour from
00:34:04.480 where my mother grew up so pretty cool to read about that guy um and just and reading in that
00:34:12.840 sort of content is is just not something that you can get in the same sort of way from even watching
00:34:21.440 it on video or uh because the when you're reading a book there's a it's a different part of your
00:34:27.840 brain that is engaged in that activity it's a deeper uh more long-term part of the of of your
00:34:38.480 deeper soul complex that uh that brings that sort of thing in and certainly um that's not for
00:34:46.880 everybody some I try to have a mix of active and passive hobbies like that journaling it's another
00:34:57.120 thing I was journaling pretty well for several months this year I let go recently and need to
00:35:05.300 pick it back up but that too is one of those things like you can I wish I'd been doing it
00:35:09.960 It's funny because when our historian, Chris Savage, when he calls me and he's like, you know, was this, what year was this?
00:35:21.120 When did that happen?
00:35:21.980 Where were you?
00:35:22.460 And I'm like, I wish I knew, you know, I wish I had better records for those sorts of things, you know, because I could tell more and, you know, but five years from now, I'll have five years worth of journaling.
00:35:38.960 So everybody needs to think about doing that as well, just because, like, for your personal self, for the Ausitru movement, I think it'll be cool for people in the future to be able to know some of these details.
00:36:03.840 You know, how did you guys dig out of it when BOA fumbled your authorized payments?
00:36:13.580 You know, how did that work out?
00:36:17.860 And that's one of the things that he suggests, like in your boredom time, you ask your future self, like, what do I need to know right now?
00:36:27.620 if you want to be in a better place
00:36:31.560 two years from now, five years from now, ten years from now
00:36:35.940 what should I be doing right now
00:36:38.380 what do I wish that I had done different
00:36:41.720 and you just can't get there
00:36:45.560 you can't have those sorts of subtle interactions with yourself
00:36:48.400 if you are
00:36:51.020 all up in
00:36:54.260 you know, all at the, you know, at this very superficial level of interaction with
00:36:59.340 pre-canned media.
00:37:10.460 All right, so if I can interject, I took some notes in the number of things we
00:37:15.080 touched on that I think are particularly important. Before I do, Nick in Kentucky,
00:37:24.980 donated a hundred dollars towards the pavilion thank you nick we appreciate it very much
00:37:30.100 um yeah it's gonna be fantastic and we appreciate your generosity um one of the
00:37:44.580 excuse me me too
00:37:47.060 all right so
00:37:57.220 one thing that i think is
00:38:01.540 man ah i apologize guys so
00:38:08.100 some of you long-term listeners and folks that know um
00:38:11.540 um Alan and I counterpoint stuff and I think some of it is deliberate um
00:38:24.980 and we come at this particular conundrum from kind of different angles but I think that we
00:38:30.440 both see there is a problem to be addressed um like I tend to be more tech friendly than Alan
00:38:38.480 But at the end of the day, there's a lot of issues here of brain chemistry, of addiction, of productivity versus time wasting.
00:39:02.440 I am a big advocate for being productive with the use of technology.
00:39:07.880 I spend a lot of time doing AFA work from my phone, from the computer, keeping up with
00:39:13.920 AFA relevant or also true relevant social media stuff, managing members of AFA leadership
00:39:20.840 from a distance, doing all those things, and I wouldn't want to stop doing that.
00:39:26.040 It's really important.
00:39:26.740 I also spend a lot of time looking at Facebook reels of nonsense, and I can't not instinctively
00:39:36.240 look at my phone every few minutes and i catch myself doing it and then within 30 seconds i'm
00:39:44.000 doing it again because it's become such an automated part of existence one thing i've
00:39:49.280 noticed a lot i have a hard time focusing on sitting down and you know again watching nonsense
00:39:56.240 but watching a show watching something with a plot where you have to engage in it and follow
00:40:00.560 it through and go through a thing i find myself wanting to do that and trying to do that but in
00:40:06.560 the meantime i'm looking at stuff on my phone i'm doing the thing i think that we all engage with it
00:40:12.720 in a different degree and i don't think the technology is the problem i think alan hit on
00:40:18.640 the point at the beginning that it is engineered to increasingly become a problematic and become
00:40:25.680 addictive and i mean that's smart it's not ethical it's not right but it is smart um
00:40:33.680 for them so figuring one of the things that i've always said about being arian and again for new 0.94
00:40:39.920 listeners i don't say the word to be scary i say it because it it's a it's a benchmark it's a it's
00:40:47.040 a goal post it's a um exhortation to be noble in your existence and a part of nobility is
00:40:55.680 choosing your actions and not just being reactive and the instinctive knee-jerk
00:41:02.880 pavlovian look at your phone response all the time which i am as guilty or more guilty than
00:41:08.240 anybody else is a thing and one of the things that um a couple a couple of things that alan
00:41:16.720 pointed out that i just kind of wanted to check in on all of the things that i think are very very
00:41:20.800 valid but art and imagination reading a book and again even reading a book on your tablet on your
00:41:32.560 phone on your whatever but reading something instead of consuming a pre-packaged visual
00:41:40.480 has your mind create a world of images and of sensation and of um
00:41:49.860 it allows your imagination to create and to run and to get exercise at imagining and i think
00:42:02.400 that's really valuable i think that's a key to a lot of art
00:42:06.280 um one thing i would love to see more people do and that i wish i was better at is is art and art
00:42:14.800 can take all kind of forms you've heard me on this show talk about different kind of art that
00:42:18.840 you know we would love to see within within house true but any of that be it visual you know drawing
00:42:29.140 sculpting carving or music or um you know poetry or story writing or you know any of those things
00:42:38.740 flexing creativity is a very special human thing that i think is underdeveloped lately because
00:42:49.860 so much of imagination is outsourced and again i don't think there needs to be some fatwa on
00:42:57.640 cell phones but i do think it's worth thinking about and trying to be conscious about taking
00:43:05.240 breaks and disengaging and doing other stuff i think it's important to figure out you know
00:43:11.400 is it a tool that you are using or is it a tool that is using you and choosing judiciously or not
00:43:20.600 but choosing instead of being compelled by unknown forces to engage make your choice and own it if
00:43:29.000 you want to spend all day looking at reels like cool and if they're cool and send them to me but
00:43:34.200 if you don't and you want to be productive on stuff and you want to get stuff done time really
00:43:41.080 is um a finite resource that we have finding ways to be productive is incredibly important
00:43:51.160 and you know i know we all have different schemes of multitasking whatever um you know children if
00:43:59.080 you're listening to this go outside do some art do cool stuff adult people make adult choices
00:44:07.400 you can do what you want but make sure it's what you want to do and not what you slip into or what
00:44:13.400 you're compelled to do again long-term listeners to this show when i was bouncing you know i was
00:44:19.000 um lead for for a time i was i was running security i told my guys like i'm game you
00:44:25.320 know for whatever fight you want to get us into i got your back cool but don't make me be there
00:44:31.160 for something you just tripped into because you weren't thinking about what you're doing
00:44:34.760 If it's what you choose to engage in, then cool, I got you, but don't let me get pulled in because you're not paying attention or you're just getting drug into something.
00:44:45.020 We always need to be conscious of making choices in our life and not being, you know, not having life make those choices for us where we can help it.
00:44:56.680 And I think that's really important here.
00:44:58.040 The other thing is comfort in silence.
00:45:02.660 I'm not good with that.
00:45:03.900 mention that on the on the show a lot as well when it comes to meditative work or anything else
00:45:10.940 it's like my brain doesn't disengage in that way and it's something that probably takes
00:45:19.920 a certain amount of training to do there's other stimulus that kind of gets you over that
00:45:27.100 hump in a different way than social media which again if it's cat videos and funny animal bloopers
00:45:37.660 it's probably less damaging than just consuming all right so this is a disjointed thought process
00:45:46.340 but stick with me if you will something that is unfortunate is that our team people on our
00:45:54.240 general side of life or traditionally monthly we want to raise awareness of negative things
00:46:03.040 in the world around us so that people see it and as a result react in some way and
00:46:09.120 you know oh wow i didn't realize it was that bad i should get engaged i should change my life i
00:46:14.640 should you know help my family have something better all of those are noble aspirations but
00:46:19.360 once we all get it how many videos do i need to see of every tragedy or everything example
00:46:26.640 the woman who murdered her children it is important that we are all aware that that's a thing
00:46:34.960 man i don't want to see another story on that i don't want to dwell on another minute thinking
00:46:39.360 on that because it is flagellating myself with the news on something i'm already
00:46:47.280 solidly on the team for but man it brings me down something we need to be aware of but the way the
00:46:54.480 algorithm stuff works if you stop on that story to hear it the first time then it will get fed to you
00:47:01.440 you know hundreds of other times because it shows oh this is a point of interest now that's all
00:47:08.400 you're gonna see um also um um anyways lost my thought on it uh yeah so
00:47:23.840 choosing how you want to engage and being able to disengage i think is really important and
00:47:28.240 figuring out other ways to get over discomfort and silence if you know sometimes and this sounds
00:47:36.000 hokey but it is literally something that i do singing if you're right in the car by yourself
00:47:43.680 and you don't you know there's whatever stimulus on your phone or whatever else sing along with
00:47:50.080 something um there's ways to get engaged in a different way like the silence call a friend
00:47:58.320 call your family member that it's uncomfortable for you to talk to it hey haven't talked to you
00:48:02.560 a long time let's have a conversation all those things probably give you a lot better reward
00:48:07.040 and uh add a value but they keep you just as mentally stimulated
00:48:14.000 um get an audible account if you have a long commute and mine is not very long i mean i'm
00:48:21.360 20 minutes each way back and forth to work um but you know i knock out a couple of works a month
00:48:28.480 month um and audible is not that expensive for for the value provides the um you know
00:48:41.440 i've learned a lot of stuff about a lot of topics some of which i would never have thought to even
00:48:46.540 look up you know just by having that audible account and like what do i need to listen to
00:48:54.720 next and if you're not super nerdy about learning stuff i mean you can you can certainly get a you
00:49:04.800 know you can download fiction books just as well i have listened to fiction on my audible account
00:49:11.440 it's not all just nerdy um stuff about how to eat right um so you can you know but again that is a
00:49:21.600 way to in to to engage the brain in long form content um and you know i mean there's nothing
00:49:29.600 wrong to with singing along to uh as long as it's not pretty strong scene so i'll tell you this
00:49:40.480 if you ever get wilson phillips stuff to come up in your algorithm and you want to stop for
00:49:48.000 a second to see how fat carney wilson has got it's a mistake because then that's all you'll
00:49:52.800 get on your algorithm for a long time and there's only so much of that i i need to be aware of
00:50:01.040 so uh just word to the wise don't don't pause on that or that's all you'll get
00:50:07.680 she is in fact still uh she has lost her her weight loss battle she has yet to find that victory
00:50:14.160 it is elusive um but you know there you go so another thing that alan brought up was um physical
00:50:27.600 dopamine release and something it amazes me and this is tangentially related i don't know if it's
00:50:37.200 it's on the dopamine note not so much on the uh social media hobbies thing i guess it interfaces
00:50:43.280 but something that i've noticed with our folk and myself when we are depressed i don't mean like
00:50:54.520 yes i do mean chronically depressed but i also mean just if you're having a bad day if you're
00:50:59.500 in a funk if you're whatever instinctually for whatever reason we want to just curl up in a ball
00:51:06.540 and sit around and be lame and not do anything.
00:51:10.880 And we continue to feel lame
00:51:12.940 and we have like a bad day and we're feeling lame.
00:51:16.820 In my own life,
00:51:18.940 getting out of the house and doing something,
00:51:23.300 even if it's just going for a drive,
00:51:25.560 going for a walk, going to the store,
00:51:28.540 doing something helps.
00:51:31.020 Change of scenery, getting out in the sunlight,
00:51:32.980 all those things help.
00:51:34.620 Specifically, as Alan mentioned,
00:51:36.060 If you do something physical, if you go to the gym, if you do a martial art, if you do a sport or a physical hobby or whatever that is, I think psychologically that is tremendously helpful, even if it didn't release dopamine.
00:51:53.420 But guess what? It does.
00:51:55.480 And those things chemically is helpful as well.
00:51:58.680 I know it is counterintuitive.
00:52:00.380 I know that when we feel bad, the last thing we want to do is go out and do stuff and go out and interact with people.
00:52:09.060 But those are exactly the things you should do if you're feeling low or if you're feeling depressed or feeling run down.
00:52:17.980 Those are just my notes.
00:52:19.060 One of the things in that regard is that, again, there's growing bodies of evidence that suggest get out there and in your bare feet, on the ground.
00:52:29.400 You know, it's called grounding and there is an electrochemical reaction between your body and the surface of the earth that does all sorts, you know, releases good chemicals in your body and lets you ground off some of the, it's actually positive chemicals that cause overstimulation.
00:52:58.580 But you can, you know, just by taking a short walk in or even just standing on a plot of ground.
00:53:07.620 I think most of us live at least in a suburban environment, you know, where you got a little patch of grass somewhere within easy distance.
00:53:16.000 So, you know, getting out there with your shoes off is very healthful.
00:53:20.340 um uh you know and the other thing um you know matt when you mention those days that you're down
00:53:28.640 as i am sometimes the
00:53:33.400 the important thing or one of the important things that they found and they did a lot of this
00:53:41.380 research centers around dieting and the strictness of weight loss regimen like if so
00:53:47.660 So, like, in the example that I saw was, like, people get on this strict no-carb thing.
00:53:56.640 I'm not going to eat any carbs.
00:53:58.380 I'm not going to, you know, have any bread or pizza or anything bad like that.
00:54:02.960 It's bad for me.
00:54:04.260 They do that, and they do really well for a couple, three weeks, and then they have a slice of pizza.
00:54:09.520 And then they go, oh, I've destroyed my whole diet.
00:54:12.440 then they go eat a whole cake or you know they eat a whole loaf of bread or a whole bag of uh
00:54:19.000 cheetos um which i'm guilty of by the way so um but so the important thing is like if you have a bad
00:54:27.640 day um you know let yourself do that like we all stumble and you know so you know you just
00:54:38.360 clean cheeto dust off of your fingers and you know and and get back up and knock them dead
00:54:46.120 tomorrow you can't be 100 all the time nobody is and that is another real danger
00:54:56.680 of social media especially you know we have access to national you know the people who
00:55:01.560 get a viral video up there you know that's the few hundred people that day right out of the
00:55:08.420 300 million people or the 3 billion people who are posting videos on these junk sites
00:55:16.320 you know you're comparing your blooper roll against their greatest hits the hundred coolest
00:55:23.880 things that happen in the united states are not going to play up to your life most of the time 0.51
00:55:29.920 But, you know, your life has something more important than any of that junk, which is you. And you should protect and preserve that resource because the, you know, whatever those influencers or whatever you call them, you know, all that stuff is window dressing compared to living a rich, full life with good friends.
00:55:59.920 and
00:56:01.640 meaningful interactions
00:56:06.060 with your family. 1.00
00:56:08.000 The rest of that stuff is just garbage. 1.00
00:56:12.200 So that's a 0.99
00:56:13.520 good point
00:56:15.860 and something that I don't think
00:56:17.600 enough people
00:56:18.600 There is a numbers game
00:56:24.000 that happens with social
00:56:25.980 media
00:56:26.400 to where there are
00:56:29.220 so many people in the world so many people in the world with phones and with documenting all of their
00:56:36.460 stuff you can find the worst stuff ever all day every day and think that that is your average
00:56:49.380 experience if you go to the store the worst acts of you know hellacious violence and whatever
00:56:56.700 there's never an end to that stuff because in just a numbers game you can find shocking quantities
00:57:04.080 that doesn't account for your average experience there's lots of really good things in the world
00:57:12.100 and there's lots of time that you can go a whole day without terrible uh world ending things
00:57:18.100 happening there's very few full minutes of scrolling you can do without seeing world ending
00:57:24.180 worst thing ever things happen same thing with good things you can see infinite people that are
00:57:30.980 all better because we live in a world of billions and billions of people you look at a hundred
00:57:39.060 people randomly on the phone that are only posting their very best picture of the greatest feat
00:57:45.220 they've ever accomplished the one try that worked after 47 tries that didn't work
00:57:51.140 those people are always going to be better than you they're always going to be better than me
00:57:56.100 they're always going to be better than anybody else because you're getting curated stuff of only
00:57:59.380 the very best things ever um even if you are the one guy out of seven billion people that is the
00:58:08.100 best at a thing you're not the best at the other thing you'd be the best out of one of the hundred
00:58:14.260 things that you see that's if you're the greatest in the world that if you're michael jordan and
00:58:18.340 and you're playing basketball cool there's one of you that you can just say you're better than all
00:58:22.920 the basketball reels you've seen but then there's everything else there's a numbers game that you
00:58:29.420 can't win because we're bombarded by information and it's curated for only the best stuff and it's
00:58:34.180 a very unrealistic expectation for you to judge yourself by if that's what you do and i think that 0.99
00:58:41.480 women fall into that statistically more so than men do but it is something that really does eat
00:58:47.800 away at folks and it's something to consider um oh stephen in japan donated ten dollars phrase
00:58:59.800 off and five dollars towards our pavilion um domo origato steven song we appreciate you uh we
00:59:07.880 appreciate your donations uh you're a frequent donor to the program and we very much appreciate
00:59:12.880 Alan, as you were saying.
00:59:18.620 One of the things, and I know I've said this before,
00:59:20.640 but it cracked open the door a little bit.
00:59:24.320 One of the things, cell phone use and depression
00:59:28.080 among preteen and teenage girls
00:59:32.440 and suicide among preteen and teenage girls
00:59:37.360 tracks exactly like, um, the, uh, you know, so
00:59:43.500 social media, this comparison thing, and it's, it is exactly like you said, you know, girls just
00:59:52.180 have more of that, that that's how they are genetically engineered, um, you know, to, to 0.50
00:59:58.320 have, um, that sort of, uh, status contest for, um, you know, who has the best mate or whatever
01:00:06.180 it is you know that's going on at that evolutionary level and so for you know for them to be compared
01:00:16.260 to the you know to the people nationally who have the best bodies and the
01:00:21.700 most stuff and the coolest car and all that other stuff um
01:00:28.900 and you know i i feel like i got my kids through i've got three boys but i feel like i got them
01:00:34.580 through right before all this social media storm started ruining everybody's lives um but you know
01:00:45.460 the the people who own and control social media don't let their kids have phones
01:00:51.140 they don't let their kids have access to this junk and if and that should tell you something
01:01:04.580 You're muted, bro. 0.96
01:01:09.840 So also a donation with an attached comment question deal from Zach.
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01:01:22.040 We appreciate you, Zach.
01:01:23.340 Appreciate your thoughtful response to my question last week.
01:01:26.800 I've made it a personal project to learn the appropriate rooms to place upon different parts of the house.
01:01:31.560 house built. Speaking of hobbies, how do you feel about fictional works which draw upon the lore?
01:01:39.460 Ignoring Marvel Comics for obvious reasons, we've all seen various entertainment products
01:01:44.380 which make use of our lore and myths with varying levels of respect for the source material.
01:01:49.400 Would it serve our people and the gods to incorporate such themes into stories
01:01:53.960 if they're told the right way are there any examples of this being done well thank you
01:02:01.640 Alan what are your thoughts and also do you have any examples of that being well executed
01:02:08.960 um I think it's absolutely appropriate um
01:02:15.380 I think the lore, when it was taken down, was, you know, I mean, that was, when that was being written, when those stories were written, that was, you know, the modern iteration of the interpretation of the ancient wisdom of the gods.
01:02:39.800 So, yes, with a respectful right view of those sorts of things, I think is absolutely appropriate to, you know, to bring in those, you know, to bring that into the into the modern era.
01:02:57.920 I did read.
01:03:02.780 What's the Neil Gaiman book?
01:03:04.240 You know, I'm talking about.
01:03:05.020 American Gods
01:03:10.620 Nick
01:03:11.980 you know what I'm talking about
01:03:13.500 what's that
01:03:14.580 American Gods
01:03:16.580 American Gods
01:03:18.720 yes thank you
01:03:20.640 I actually
01:03:22.440 I thought that was a pretty
01:03:31.040 fair
01:03:31.640 although I don't think
01:03:33.900 all of it was, but I thought that there were aspects of that
01:03:39.120 that treated our gods
01:03:43.940 with a fair degree of respect, not all of it.
01:03:47.400 And certainly the Netflix
01:03:50.660 interpretation I refuse to watch because of its deliberate nod to
01:03:56.200 multiculturalism. But I have a book
01:04:01.920 And I'm not even sure if it's still in print, but I would certainly recommend it.
01:04:08.020 And the title of the book is One Thousand Years On.
01:04:13.800 And it is an interpretation of, you know, sort of what would the gods look like today.
01:04:24.540 It's a series of short stories that develop that theme.
01:04:32.200 You know, what if Christianity had not overwhelmed Europe and we were still pagan?
01:04:37.880 You know, what, you know, how would the world be different?
01:04:41.040 And, you know, so it's a series of short stories that address that theme.
01:04:45.440 i might have a little bit different view of how um of how i would look at that today
01:05:02.620 but at the same time like i uh at the time i certainly thought it was a pretty good
01:05:09.180 you know pretty good thing and so it can be done and done respectfully and done well um
01:05:39.180 All right, so I was waiting on Alan.
01:05:46.820 I did not realize he had dropped.
01:05:49.340 He'll be back on in a second, though.
01:05:51.940 For my part,
01:05:59.920 it conceptually, I think it is appropriate to do.
01:06:02.820 um i can't think of a time that i have seen it done well in the modern age but i'm not a big
01:06:14.420 connoisseur of fiction so there could be plenty of stuff out there that is um for example the
01:06:21.480 first episode of vikings was really cool it was the opportunity for the first time ever to see
01:06:29.720 like our gods, you know, Odin on the beach with ravens, and it was really, really cool.
01:06:39.380 The rest of the series was so dramatically askew, and I think...
01:06:47.980 So, here is the thing.
01:06:50.160 Again, when you make historical fiction, I am very sensitive to mistreating real people who lived in history.
01:07:04.540 Now, all of my qualms with the show, and there's plenty, but also, if you're going to depict real people, you, in my mind, are obliged to depict them accurately to the best of your reckoning.
01:07:20.160 And like, if they're a character in a story, then it's like, got to do your best to be faithful to what we know of that person and that person's attitudes and how that person does things.
01:07:32.400 It's very easy to take a historical person and put them in a story and then put whatever words you want in their mouth.
01:07:42.400 And I think that's really disrespectful.
01:07:45.140 As an example, it's not related to our world or anything else.
01:07:48.700 really like Mel Gibson, I really loved Braveheart
01:07:53.060 until I read the actual story about any of the people involved
01:07:57.100 and then I was deeply, deeply offended
01:07:59.840 at the complete, not even attempted, any remote accuracy
01:08:04.880 in the movie. So while I think that
01:08:08.920 themes are good, the further removed
01:08:12.880 they are from specific historical occurrences
01:08:16.220 and people, the easier time I have digesting them, unless you are very, very accurate with
01:08:24.260 your history. Um, but yeah, I think works of fiction that involve our lore, our gods,
01:08:34.200 our traditions are good, but I'd be very careful. Um, you know, I'd be hesitant to include our
01:08:41.420 gods in something in a way that you know i want to be very cautious to not be um sacrilegious in
01:08:47.820 doing so um but when i say works of fiction that can be stories and movies and other things but
01:08:55.260 it's also just you know poetic composition or music that incorporates something or tells a story
01:09:02.300 or relates a personal experience all of those things i think we need much more of um there is a
01:09:09.420 a fetishism we have at this stage in our development
01:09:13.220 over redoing things of the past.
01:09:16.460 And I don't think that's wrong.
01:09:18.720 I think we're all drawn to that in a way,
01:09:20.780 but I do think there is a lack of
01:09:25.520 doing completely new and fresh things.
01:09:28.300 I think we're very hesitant to do that,
01:09:30.040 and I think some more of that would be appreciated
01:09:33.500 if done well.
01:09:36.040 And our law speaker has returned to us.
01:09:40.380 sorry about that i i don't know how the internet works it's a bunch of tubes or something
01:09:46.460 did you have more to say before technology cut you off
01:09:52.700 uh no i although i did try to look for that book and it is out of print so um
01:09:59.580 the um you know i don't loan book but if you wanted to read it you could come to my house and read it
01:10:09.420 And, oh, again, this is...
01:10:11.040 Anyone listening to this program is welcome to sit in his house
01:10:15.040 for the entirety it would take to read American Gods.
01:10:21.720 No, A Thousand Years On.
01:10:23.640 American Gods is still in print, but that other book.
01:10:28.340 And then you can tell me whether my recollection is good
01:10:32.040 that it treated us fairly or not.
01:10:39.420 the because it's funny and it's and it's odd but like i did loan a book to a guy and he died right
01:10:47.720 so like so now i'll never get my book back um and i know that's a facetious and light-hearted way to
01:10:59.940 uh deal with the grief that i feel that chuck's passing um love you brother uh what's this book
01:11:05.920 you're recommending? I'm trying to find it. What's this book you're recommending?
01:11:14.720 It's called 1000 Years On. And if I hadn't been busily trying to get my internet back to work,
01:11:22.640 I would have run and grabbed it. And, you know, because I mean, it's just a little trade paperback
01:11:26.160 size book of uh you know several stories about you know the i think it's really mostly i think
01:11:36.000 there's a couple of things in it about you know the gods in the modern era but more like i think
01:11:42.720 more of what the guy is trying to capture is you know how our how should we properly engage
01:11:49.920 in a modern arena so it's really more stories of um the traditionalist attitude toward life rather
01:11:59.360 than you know trying to be like you know what if tear was a machine gunner and you know uh lost
01:12:08.000 his trigger finger instead of losing his sword hand you know that that sort of thing the other
01:12:12.640 other thing too and this now remember what i was actually saying the um uh which is uh you know
01:12:20.960 there michael van dyke has started a an afa writers group on me we so if you want to create
01:12:28.880 some of these stories that we're talking about where that treat our gods with respect and
01:12:35.200 illustrate the modern osatruers approach to life the universe and everything you could join that
01:12:42.080 me we group and become an afa writer so alan continues to struggle with his internet um
01:12:58.800 yeah he's still continuing that's okay we're working on now every time i want to stop and
01:13:04.640 say he's got it figured out it glitches up again um hopefully it's getting back to getting back
01:13:11.440 to normal so anyone is welcome to ask questions on the program at any point in time by sending emails
01:13:20.480 to bns runestone.org um that's always an option to anybody if those hit you during the program
01:13:32.320 or at any time in between programs um
01:13:41.280 couple of couple of other questions um
01:13:52.720 so i've gotten some questions on the side
01:13:56.320 one of them is about our belief that our founder stephen mcnalen was ordained by the all father
01:14:07.660 himself um as a point of faith we believe that in the afa and you will notice that if you read
01:14:17.740 true and all and you know people who are not afa members uh might find that claim you know questionable
01:14:29.260 so if thinking about it i don't want to just answer in a flip way i'd like to you know
01:14:33.340 answer it in a thoughtful way
01:14:34.780 we believe very much that there was a miraculous happening in the latter middle portion of the last
01:14:48.660 century i suppose you can draw it out further than that but where the ice here awoke
01:14:56.820 several of our people with a burst of inspiration seemingly well a number of them for example
01:15:08.100 um hoskild and stubba in the united kingdom
01:15:13.080 um lc christensen in the united states stephen mcnalen in the united states
01:15:21.560 and spain bjorn and his comrades in iceland all within about 10 years of one another
01:15:32.120 without you know in a day and age where there wasn't um the internet there wasn't you know
01:15:36.680 email everybody doesn't know what everybody else is doing they all took up the charge
01:15:44.440 from the iser to build what we know as modern ausitry and you know they would all come to
01:15:55.480 describe that in different ways it's very real and a very palpable occurrence to where
01:16:05.320 the gods quite literally interacted with a generation of our founders
01:16:10.920 to task them with building this and seeing which way would win out which way would be
01:16:19.720 the best way forward and there was a time of um of struggle and of competing and of
01:16:27.480 you know when i say competing i don't even mean adversarially just you know there's different
01:16:32.440 structures there's some of those structures that were much more democratic there were some of them
01:16:38.600 that were you know kind of tribal confederation ideas there were versions that were much more
01:16:46.200 political there were versions that were much more overtly spiritual um you know the the things that
01:16:56.520 steve was doing in the 70s are different than the things that the odinic right was doing in the 70s
01:17:03.960 are different than the things that the odinus fellowship uh under lc christiansen or the
01:17:09.560 australia under spainbjorn they were all very different but they were all inspired by the
01:17:18.120 isir in a very particular way something that i think is a powerful testimony to steve's
01:17:26.360 literal being tasked by the all-father to do this comes from his enemies and his detractors
01:17:33.960 I was listening to some interviews on, I believe it's called the Heathen History Podcast. 0.94
01:17:40.140 And I don't know if you can still find those episodes, but it was members of the troth laughably scoffing that, 0.95
01:17:49.860 well, looks like Odin will work with anybody if it gets his mission accomplished.
01:17:56.500 And though it was rude and disrespectful, the nuggets are there.
01:18:01.280 even Steve's foes admit in that statement that the all-father worked with Steve McNallan
01:18:12.600 to produce American Ausitru. That speaks volumes, that that's even, you know, it's taken as a given
01:18:21.800 by people that absolutely despise Steve and everything that he built.
01:18:25.860 um i think that when you look at that contest of worldviews and of ideas and the organization
01:18:40.240 and of you know who's going to be able to stand the test of time who can make it to the finish
01:18:45.800 line who can do the things it wasn't just a struggle of men um a number of those people
01:18:52.480 Of the people that I mentioned, all have passed beyond the veil besides Steve.
01:19:00.380 And, you know, many of them maintained their success throughout their lifetime.
01:19:06.600 So it's not a poor judgment of any of those people.
01:19:10.200 Every one of the people I mentioned we honor and celebrate as our heroes with days of remembrance, we believe, our ascendant.
01:19:16.140 But the things they put in motion
01:19:20.840 Didn't have equal results
01:19:22.660 We don't believe in equality
01:19:23.980 As one of our core points
01:19:25.900 Equality is false
01:19:27.200 We believe in difference
01:19:29.320 And that's what allows heroes to rise
01:19:33.400 This
01:19:36.040 In the way that Steve put it forward
01:19:38.360 And through his gothic lineage
01:19:41.020 His legacy
01:19:42.160 Those who have come to
01:19:43.980 Follow him and take up
01:19:46.580 The banner behind him
01:19:48.480 This is here
01:19:51.240 And it's flourished
01:19:52.840 We have
01:19:54.360 Five Hoffs because of it
01:19:56.560 We've got a
01:19:58.720 Track record of
01:20:02.020 A gift cycle with the ISEAR
01:20:04.120 Built upon Steve's personal
01:20:06.120 Gift cycle with the ISEAR
01:20:07.820 That goes back 57 years
01:20:09.440 And we're in the 32nd year
01:20:11.900 Of the very solid
01:20:13.600 Ausatru Folk Assembly. You don't see that in the rest of Ausatru. You don't see that in modern
01:20:20.320 Ausatru, and I believe that's a testament to the favor shown by the All-Father to Steve and by
01:20:27.680 extension to us. But no, we fundamentally believe that Steve spoke with the All-Father in, you know,
01:20:38.540 however you want to conceive that there was a moment to where the king of the gods interacted
01:20:45.180 with our founder steve mcnalen and set him on this course um there is also uh you know
01:20:53.180 i don't know if everybody's heard this story um there's miraculous occurrence when steve was in
01:20:57.980 africa where he was preserved by the all-father to continue his mission this is in the time between
01:21:04.380 the Astro Free Assembly and the foundation of the Astro Folk Assembly.
01:21:09.660 And I don't think I will do the story justice, but there was a time of great political upheaval
01:21:18.780 in the Dark Continent, and during that, Steve was over there doing
01:21:26.780 uh conflict reporting for soldier of fortune magazine and uh or to freelance articles that
01:21:36.460 would later be picked up by soldier fortune so he was over there doing his thing and he ended up he
01:21:42.200 didn't have the right papers the government upon him leaving the united states and having the right
01:21:48.180 papers there was a government change and when he landed he did not have the appropriate papers for
01:21:54.420 the newly established government and westerners were being executed for not having the right papers
01:22:04.420 and so africans with ak-47s were checking papers on tarmac when people deplaned
01:22:10.980 and steve sitting there very nervous about his paperwork that was not in order and uh
01:22:17.460 they were meticulously checking everyone in a line they checked they checked time came
01:22:22.820 They checked the gentleman in front of Steve, looked over his paperwork, looked over it again, gave him a critical eye.
01:22:31.080 I guess it was good enough.
01:22:33.020 They kind of begrudgingly let the guy move forward.
01:22:36.660 And then as if he were not there, they looked at the person behind Steve and checked that person's paperwork.
01:22:44.000 Again, meticulously looking him up and down.
01:22:46.640 and Steve looking around and taking a deep breath
01:22:51.520 just kind of continued along
01:22:53.020 and followed the people in front of him
01:22:54.580 that did have the right paperwork.
01:23:00.460 It's awkward in this day and age
01:23:03.040 to talk of miraculous things,
01:23:05.500 but as a point of faith in the Osset True Folk Assembly,
01:23:08.620 we believe that truly was miraculous
01:23:10.520 and that was a boon from the All-Father
01:23:14.740 to preserve his herald and the founder of our faith and the one by whom his ordination his
01:23:23.460 gothic lineage gives authority and credence to this that we do i understand for people without
01:23:31.060 faith that may sound odd but we are people of faith we believe it very deeply and it is
01:23:40.420 a tremendous blessing that we celebrate that we share in a part of that through
01:23:46.580 that line of ordination um so yeah it's something that we celebrate and i know it's come up recently
01:23:52.100 as some people are curious about uh alan do you have anything to add to that no i i i think that
01:24:00.900 sums it up exactly the um i think it was maybe 2011 or 12 i went to midsummer over there and
01:24:13.700 watched a presentation um that this guy did where he talked about um also true odinism
01:24:24.100 um the way popping up in all these various iterations and you know and it and that it that
01:24:31.380 it manifests as the spirit of our folk um and until it finds someone like steve
01:24:44.980 who's willing to, you know, resonate with that.
01:24:53.440 And so I do absolutely think that the phenomenon is real.
01:25:01.520 I also think that it has been strengthened by, first of all,
01:25:08.880 by Steve's strength of character, that because he was willing to,
01:25:13.460 weather the various storms that others have proven less worthy of um you know that that
01:25:21.840 strength has resonated through him and through you and through all of us who have uh who have
01:25:30.940 followed this right path into the manifestation all right um
01:25:47.500 so other other things and i and i say we kind of went on a on a deviation there alan do you have
01:25:56.620 any other things about tonight's topic that you want to make sure we touch on
01:26:03.420 uh i i do not i mean the you know and because it is so broad and it you know ultimately it is
01:26:14.300 get out there and just do it find the thing that you like experiment with a dozen things until you
01:26:22.300 you know like whatever your thing is that's what you should do um as long and
01:26:29.180 you know and don't let your kids have a phone until they're 20.
01:26:37.420 all right so good luck with that i could
01:26:44.060 is steve fully retired from activism or is he still around um
01:26:52.860 activism takes you know different forms kind of math so
01:27:02.540 steve's 77 i believe now um
01:27:09.020 he's definitely still an active afa member he is at odenshof every month actively engaged and
01:27:17.260 participating um he is doing things he is still very much writing he released uh the spear
01:27:28.940 couple of years ago now um he's also you know i know that he's working on another writing project
01:27:35.340 i don't not at liberty to divulge too much of that but there's you know again i don't think
01:27:42.380 steve is capable of being alive and not being actively engaged in the struggle for our folk
01:27:49.660 that's such a um such a core part of who he is and what drives him so yeah he's absolutely
01:27:58.700 you know active at you know at his pace of a man of his years who's enjoying you know enjoying some
01:28:06.540 of the simpler things but yeah he's very much actively engaged and uh and always around our
01:28:12.940 folk you can see him in the moot pictures and certainly at events there at odin's off and it
01:28:18.140 was great to great to get together with him and participate out there with him at mid-summer this
01:28:25.260 year so if you find yourself anywhere near odin's off that's in brownsville california
01:28:31.420 you should really take advantage of the opportunity to go out and meet him and spend time with them
01:28:36.540 know just listen to his stories uh he is a fascinating man and one who has
01:28:43.740 built all of this that we are able to uh to bask in and to grow in and to appreciate
01:28:52.300 i'm looking at stuff so then a couple of while you're there
01:29:00.620 what that reminded me of is another for a related topic and i know we've talked about
01:29:06.540 meaning you know um and happiness and those sorts of intangible things but um
01:29:15.420 in all this other research i was doing about dopamine and hobbies and that
01:29:19.980 you know one of the one of the ways to have a happiness um eudaimonia um
01:29:28.060 um is to have a is to have purpose and the um and up until
01:29:41.740 say 100 years ago 50 years ago
01:29:46.780 the embedded purpose of western civilization was not spoken but it was just understood
01:29:55.260 um you know in the evolutionary aspect of um you know forward
01:30:04.540 with the west and that's been eradicated and has been hard to say
01:30:11.180 for the last 50 and certainly 20 years but the more active that
01:30:17.260 the afa has been the more active that you get with the afa i don't mean you met i mean you the
01:30:26.620 listener the more active you that you become as a member the more you will understand the meaning
01:30:34.300 and purpose of life and the meaning and purpose of life is the propagation of our folk the
01:30:39.260 propagation of our way and certainly that has contributed a great deal to what i think of as
01:30:50.060 my own reasonably well-rounded existence is that i feel like i have purpose by uh
01:30:58.140 standing my place in this yield wall
01:30:59.740 well excellent and we uh we certainly appreciate your step enough to fill that purpose um that's
01:31:11.680 one of the things that is really special about the time that we live in in the development of
01:31:21.220 we are in a time where the individual can make a massive impact if they devote themselves to this
01:31:35.860 there is so much work to be done and we're engaged in so many foundational things that will be um
01:31:44.500 you know let set courses for future things that will you know
01:31:51.220 that we have no idea how amazing they might become.
01:31:54.100 We have the opportunity to set those foundations now
01:31:57.160 and to plant seeds for trees
01:31:58.740 that our children will take shelter under.
01:32:02.920 Everyone here that wants to be involved
01:32:05.780 has the ability to shape Ausatru's future
01:32:10.260 and to accomplish really amazing things
01:32:13.960 in the lives of hundreds, if not thousands or more
01:32:17.900 of the lives of our folk.
01:32:20.700 and to shine a light on themselves for the gods
01:32:25.020 to see in a very particular and a very special way.
01:32:27.700 So now is a really exciting time to be involved
01:32:31.460 and everyone who wants to,
01:32:35.520 all the heterosexual white folks that would like to,
01:32:38.780 should join the Ask True Folk Assembly
01:32:40.420 and volunteer for stuff.
01:32:41.520 We need help with so many things
01:32:43.360 and chances are you have a skillset
01:32:45.300 that would be extremely helpful
01:32:47.800 if we just knew that you were there
01:32:49.420 you wanted to help so reach out to your local folk builder or to me or to vns at runestone.org
01:32:56.540 and we'll shuffle you to whoever you need to go to but yeah there's amazing things to be done
01:33:03.580 if you want to also be part of that shield wall that alan was was mentioning
01:33:09.820 um so other questions I've got a couple couple few people have reached out to me on the side
01:33:20.380 um so one thing is okay one thing that gets asked because I'm trying to paraphrase the question
01:33:31.960 basically it comes about that some people wonder man why is the afa a top-down autocracy
01:33:42.640 we hear people say that you know the ancestors practiced a loose confederation
01:33:50.400 and i think a couple of things first i'll explain why we do things or secondly i'll explain why we
01:33:57.340 things what we do now but first that's not true there was a disproportionate emphasis in early
01:34:06.780 modern house true on iceland and on germanic tribes
01:34:14.860 iceland was very much a reaction to royal norway so when refugees from the king of norway moved and
01:34:24.540 populated iceland it was set up as a type of democracy amongst landholders with like strong
01:34:36.620 local um local freemen that owned um estates and farms having a voice in their all thing
01:34:46.300 and that worked and that was a fine thing for the icelanders in a way
01:34:53.900 it also of note democracy voted out alsatru in the year 1000
01:35:03.820 whereas a strong alsatru uh autocrat would perhaps not have but by vote of the masses
01:35:14.540 they rejected our gods and broke troth and that's you know in a way a cautionary tale
01:35:21.580 um germanic tribes it depended on the tribe um the goths very much had kings
01:35:30.620 they had like a dual system oftentimes depending on where you were and what time
01:35:35.660 with a war leader and a spiritual king so they would have a
01:35:42.780 duke and a king or a dux and a rex as the as the roman writers would portray them sometimes
01:35:53.900 well sometimes the one was all powerful sometimes they both shared sometimes the opposite was the
01:36:02.620 one that had power depending on the circumstance and the politics of the day often germanic tribes
01:36:09.100 would have an elected um leader or like you could be the chief if you were from certain houses or
01:36:17.340 certain clans if you were found strong enough but then when you were voted in you had autocratic
01:36:23.020 power others were much more democratic but you have really strong monarchies in denmark and in
01:36:30.540 Norway and in Sweden. You had strong royal houses. You also had strong Alcitru monarchies in England.
01:36:42.780 I think that there are lots of right forms of governance. I don't think Alcitru is necessarily
01:36:49.020 about the form of governance. There's probably a lot of right ways to do it. There's probably
01:36:54.620 a lot of wrong ways to do it. I think he certainly can reflect divine order in how that's come
01:37:02.520 about, but I don't think that the AFA is askew of that tradition in the way that society
01:37:11.300 is structured. I just think that it's more similar to, you know, a Gothia or a Sweden
01:37:20.420 or a Denmark or a Norway than it is to Iceland
01:37:23.860 or, you know, the Kimbrough.
01:37:26.800 But that said, there's a lot of ways our ancestors did things.
01:37:29.900 Something to keep in mind,
01:37:30.960 Dousetre was practiced for thousands of years
01:37:34.840 across thousands and thousands of miles
01:37:39.300 and, you know, vast swathes of time
01:37:44.040 and of circumstance and geography
01:37:48.000 and their political systems were very varied um during that time what we have noted in modern times
01:37:59.280 the idea of loose confederation of um you know local you know small level small group kindred
01:38:09.120 leaders and such voting on things hasn't been good for modern house of troops it's almost
01:38:16.560 invariably led to needless wobbles over minor things it's led to a
01:38:27.200 emphasis on small group politics rather than on uniting around serving the gods and building
01:38:35.440 something and we've seen that really hold us back we've also seen that dissolve a great number of
01:38:41.760 the groups that we mentioned um so i mentioned that contest earlier about steve and these other
01:38:49.680 these other folks who were charged with creating this and shaping this
01:38:55.280 spain bjorn lived out his term as ulcerer gothi of the austrophiliath and a gentleman that
01:39:04.400 founded it with him stayed on as gothar and as his companions during that time
01:39:11.760 One of those men, after Sven Bjorn's time,
01:39:15.760 was pushed out of membership by vote,
01:39:19.480 because democracy and voting, 0.99
01:39:21.960 because he was too folkish.
01:39:29.840 Thor Sven Guthjansson.
01:39:32.560 And Jormundur Inge, who took over after Sven Bjorn,
01:39:36.120 was also one of the original founders.
01:39:38.800 He was also deposed by a vote of democracy and replaced.
01:39:45.120 And at that point, they overtly ceased being,
01:39:50.840 ceased claiming a literal belief in the gods
01:39:54.120 and begin to state that they don't believe
01:39:57.600 in the literal existence of the gods.
01:39:59.400 They think of the gods as archetypes
01:40:02.020 or as personified forces of nature,
01:40:05.180 but they moved very far away from being an actual,
01:40:08.300 having actual troth through the Iser, again, through boat.
01:40:15.240 You saw the, I don't know, the inner workings of things
01:40:21.980 that didn't work well with both Hoskold and Stubba
01:40:26.100 in the Odenic Rite, and then not finishing their life
01:40:31.360 being actively celebrated in those groups,
01:40:34.140 or at least, you know, to whatever degree,
01:40:38.240 their situation and their machinations are byzantine and kind of unknown but you see a
01:40:45.520 similar thing there was you know again voting and such and you watched those people no longer
01:40:54.640 have prominence um you saw constant infighting and no progress in the astro free assembly which
01:41:01.520 steve founded but was very much a you know everybody has a say everybody votes kind of
01:41:07.360 thing and it was bogged down in pettiness and petty bickering over small things and to the
01:41:16.960 point that it drove steve out of and it necessitated a uh disillusion of that organization
01:41:26.480 afterwards that split into two groups the astro alliance and the uh the trove you may not realize
01:41:34.160 but the truth didn't start out as a lefty woke degenerate organization but within just a few years
01:41:45.680 that element voted out their leadership because they were built very much on that
01:41:51.200 same voting model the australian alliance which was much more a group of independent kindred
01:41:58.480 went from being hyper folkish and kind of be champions of folkishness during that time
01:42:05.440 while steve had his his walk in the wilderness
01:42:08.600 that also because of their leadership structure turned woke and leftist you can read
01:42:18.120 from just a few years ago their statement denouncing any racial component to ausitrum
01:42:25.320 denouncing folkishness in its entirety because that's what happens when it's ruled in that way
01:42:35.960 it is vulnerable to the whims of popularity and to the passions of the rabble
01:42:44.040 we have seen in the asset true folk assembly that by embracing soul gothic leadership by
01:42:55.320 the austerity of the afa we have seen growth we've seen flourishing
01:43:01.800 when we stopped trying to have everyone vote on things and have everyone
01:43:07.800 be a collection of you know equal groups and we just set out on our own saying the astro folk
01:43:16.660 assembly is the way to practice ausitrim this is the way follow us this is what we're doing
01:43:23.540 that very explicitly led to the foundation of odinsoff in particular
01:43:30.660 and when i took over and i really tried to dial down on that and that's never been something that
01:43:38.420 i've said dishonestly or tried to convince anything anyone any way different one of the
01:43:43.720 things that um irritates people is because i do say that out loud i say you're a theocratic
01:43:49.220 autocracy and it is ruled by the else here you go for you and i understand that can make me sound
01:43:54.800 like a jerk to some people i don't mean it that way and i promise you that's what i said when i 0.82
01:43:59.560 served under Steve McNallan. That's what I have always thought. And I sincerely will do everything 0.97
01:44:08.240 in my power to ensure that's what happens after my time is also your good. But that led directly
01:44:16.040 to us getting Odin's off and Baldur's off and Yurt's off and Frey's off. It's what's leading
01:44:22.160 us into the future. It's what's allowing us to function in the way that we're able to. And it's
01:44:29.280 really a core principle that's very important i think everybody who hasn't found success has
01:44:35.040 a lot of ideas of how they think it ought to be done but as one of the men in the arena i can tell
01:44:42.000 you this system of governance is far superior to the other ones that have been tried and have not
01:44:48.480 proved successful this is the refinement in the modern age of what has worked for our folk what
01:44:54.080 has worked for us and what has moved us forward and it's something that we believe is divinely
01:45:00.800 approved and supported and that's not said as some kind of conceit to vanity that's said with
01:45:11.520 a large amount of humility and caution lest i overstep or lest i offend the divine in some way
01:45:21.600 it's something that we're always and i particularly am always very very conscious of and i i would
01:45:29.040 hope that people know that i would ask that people know that but it is true nonetheless the best i can
01:45:35.040 do is put it out there in that way uh alan do you have thoughts on that i i i spent a lot of time
01:45:41.600 on the soapbox that's okay you're entitled to it it's your soapbox the um although i didn't want to
01:45:50.400 add um that you do have the high council that um does give you advice and discussion so it's not
01:46:01.280 like you're living in the forbidden city and issuing edicts through your um mandarins you
01:46:12.000 You know, this is, you know, it's very much what I think of as the Saxon model, you know, where it's the king and his council. 0.76
01:46:24.820 And, you know, we saw how much of the world that that model was able to conquer between the 900s and 1945.
01:46:44.640 So, you know, if it worked that well for that long, I think it can work for the AFA.
01:46:48.720 well i think that it certainly can and that's something that i don't
01:46:57.360 again i think that uh detractors or whatever
01:47:03.040 it sounds very insulting and i don't mean like they're stupid but i do think that they may not 0.54
01:47:09.040 have as wide a breadth of understanding of archaic outs of true history to realize that 0.94
01:47:20.240 you know the the court of the kings of the time had councils they functioned in a similar way
01:47:31.040 they were autocratic but they weren't immune from counsel from advice and you know they couldn't
01:47:37.360 just let the complete you know rejection of their people but it was very much a structured system
01:47:45.120 and that worked very well so there's a lot of systems that our ancestors were working
01:47:50.080 i'm not saying it's the only way it could possibly work but it is the best way that
01:47:55.280 it has worked in the modern period and it's something that we you know have
01:48:00.800 invested a lot of effort into securing and making sure that it works well so it's never something
01:48:08.740 done without thought or with a lack of um wanting input and wanting help and wanting uh wanting
01:48:18.540 advice so that's a thing but it was a question that's come up and i figured i would address and
01:48:25.860 answer it. We've got a couple of things going on in the chat. Okay, so we keep getting rumblings
01:48:37.480 about Frojax. Some watchers of Frojax Brothers asked them to bug Maffavelle Elshary Gothy for
01:48:47.780 an interview. Maybe it'll happen. It'll happen the second that they want it. I would be very 0.85
01:48:52.400 happy to go on their program i'll do that literally when i get off the show tonight though that would
01:48:57.200 be really late but no i'm happy to go on that program anytime if there's any perception that
01:49:03.520 the holdups on my end please don't i'm happy to go on uh pretty much any honest broker that would
01:49:09.600 have me um and yeah we have a lot of a lot of noise in the chats about wanting me to go on with
01:49:17.040 the projax brothers so um i'm certainly game for that uh and would be honored if that opportunity
01:49:24.240 avails itself so i'm on board so just let them know and second i get an invite i will enthusiastically
01:49:32.080 accept it um what other do we have any other questions this evening
01:49:39.200 we do oh so another question came up um sorry nick go ahead
01:49:48.880 i'll say we do if you'd look in the chat the our private chat
01:49:54.800 i was pressure pressure pressure yes i should have checked her first
01:50:02.400 therefore i shall check there now and we do have another question sitting that never got sent to us
01:50:08.800 but got sent to me first um so who can members reach out to for spiritual guidance and the like
01:50:16.880 i've attempted to contact a few people and haven't received a response so i'm not sure if i'm going
01:50:22.240 down the correct avenues first i'm gonna say so i'm gonna throw it to alan here in just a sec but
01:50:29.120 i am sorry that that happened um if you reach out to me matt flabel at runestone.org
01:50:36.320 i will get back to you um if you want to let me know who didn't get back to you and not so i can
01:50:45.360 like give them a spanking or something but if there is a uh something missing in communication
01:50:50.880 i would like to track it down and fix whatever's broken um but alan what would how would you like 0.79
01:50:56.480 to respond to that question same thing and um you know just um i know there was a member who
01:51:05.440 had a concern and um cliff replied right away and i supplemented cliff's reply so um you know i i
01:51:17.200 think we are quite diligent um in um maintaining those direct inquiries uh you know that particular
01:51:31.120 inquiry the one i was talking about went to the gothar uh email list which um you know again
01:51:39.440 cliff jumped on it and i helped um i'm and i'll say too i you know i've had members
01:51:46.960 reach out to me directly usually they ask me more about the practical stuff um
01:51:53.920 um and you know i've spent there's a member who had questions about um
01:52:04.720 you know a bankruptcy issue i spent you know a couple of hours in total texting
01:52:11.600 back and forth talking with him um and so yes i i think it is absolutely true that we are all
01:52:19.040 quite responsive within the realm of reason and yes whoever didn't you know if there was 0.91
01:52:25.760 a spiritual question that didn't get answered right away they they deserve a spanking or some 0.90
01:52:32.880 noogies or a purple nurple or something um so yeah please reach out to any of us go thar 0.86
01:52:42.560 and because of just
01:52:44.320 stuff, yeah, Gothar. Can you put up
01:52:46.860 the link in case anybody needs
01:52:48.840 copy it down? But
01:52:50.500 Gothar at runestone.org
01:52:53.540 And that goes to all of us?
01:52:59.020 Goes to every ordained 1.00
01:53:00.820 Gothi and Githia of the Ostry Folk 1.00
01:53:02.860 Assembly, including
01:53:03.760 your hosts for the evening.
01:53:07.280 I'll also add, if you don't
01:53:08.820 feel like emailing, all of our
01:53:10.760 websites have a contact us and those literally go straight to the gothar too they do and we see
01:53:17.360 those and answer those diligently and again buck stops with me matt flavel m-a-t-t-f-l-a-v-e-l
01:53:27.720 at runestone.org and i will make sure to either give you an answer myself or direct you to where
01:53:36.040 i think you're best served and i want you guys to keep in mind that all questions have a spiritual
01:53:45.240 implication so um something that you might not feel is overtly a spiritual question might very
01:53:53.960 well be a spiritual question and we would love to offer you some advice or try to help you with
01:54:00.120 whatever you want and again you can email me at get off my lawn at runestone.org
01:54:12.600 only sorted you so um
01:54:20.040 hey i'll make it i'll go make it an official alias it's a thing now give me five minutes
01:54:24.920 not only an official email for him all right so another another question that's come up that was
01:54:34.040 asking me on the back end was what does steve mcnallan think about the current uh state of
01:54:41.000 the astro folks and that is something that is always always in the back of my mind um
01:54:54.920 um steve is my hero in so very many ways um it is still surreal to me that
01:55:08.840 the mcnallans are my friends and i can engage with them as friends and talk to them about
01:55:14.600 stuff it still you know takes me back to like no that's that's the guy um
01:55:24.920 um steve and sheila both uh you know anyone who doesn't know his wife sheila mcdallan
01:55:32.120 uh now at githia with the afa she has been there since the beginning of the austral folk assembly
01:55:37.800 when it started back in 95 um just threading this all together with love dedication and just heart
01:55:47.960 making this work and the both of them have been overwhelmingly complimentary about
01:55:57.000 how we function about the state of things about how we do stuff and about
01:56:05.480 the things that we have been able to accomplish that they've um they've both said were you know
01:56:13.080 beyond their wildest expectations as to where they thought this would go within their lifetime
01:56:19.640 so i am very grateful for their kind words and their
01:56:29.400 support and just it does my heart good that they're proud of us and they're proud of what
01:56:38.120 we've been able to accomplish um and that they feel that i'm doing a good job that literally
01:56:48.040 means the world to me and uh you know they've been very um you know emotionally celebratory
01:56:57.960 of that as of this last midsummer which you know we had a beautiful stumble and words were said to
01:57:05.400 that effect and we're all weepy and it was it was a really really nice uh nice time but um
01:57:13.560 you know alan you have been around for a long time in this as well uh you know folks would
01:57:20.120 like to know kind of what steve's thoughts are about the current state of the afa i don't know
01:57:25.800 if there's stuff you'd like to add or if you'd like to riff off of that or just what
01:57:30.440 i i think you said it exactly i to consider steve a friend and mentor um and
01:57:44.600 what you know he has that sort of aw shucks he was you know i didn't really do anything
01:57:50.840 approach to all this but um you know i i think he is rightly proud of uh of us
01:58:00.440 following him into the door that he kicked open for us and um so i i think he is rightly proud of
01:58:14.860 how much we have accomplished you know we can talk about the history i mean you know again
01:58:21.120 when i first started doing this one hoff seemed like a distant dream and it's
01:58:26.660 um you know and he had been stabbed in the back once where a hoff was promised and then
01:58:33.240 yanked out from under him after he put a lot of work in uh to acquiring um
01:58:41.040 moving in that direction. But now to have it, you know, to have all of us
01:58:48.080 making his dream, making, you know, manifesting this into reality, I think it,
01:58:57.940 I think he is rightly proud of what he's accomplished and what we continue to accomplish.
01:59:02.820 um so shannon just donated 20 towards the pavilion thank you shannon we appreciate that very much
01:59:16.260 um that's that's what we've got for this evening alan is there anything else you'd like to say
01:59:24.480 for folks tonight before we call an evening no i um i appreciate you guys watching i uh i love you
01:59:36.320 guys this is why we do this stuff i love you too matt you know i say that to you sometimes but not
01:59:42.320 enough um this is uh you know we are right and we will prevail so we are but i'm gonna go on for
01:59:50.960 for that for a second.
01:59:51.820 Can you inspire me?
01:59:58.720 We all should get more comfortable.
02:00:03.780 All right, so I'm just closing thoughts
02:00:05.600 on things that have come up this evening, I guess.
02:00:09.060 We should all get more comfortable
02:00:10.440 loving each other,
02:00:15.120 loving the gods,
02:00:17.620 loving our folk, 0.99
02:00:18.540 loving our brothers no homo in what we do um but a lot of us and i say the no homo part is a joke 0.90
02:00:28.100 it's something i can tell alan man i love you and give the man a hug and it is
02:00:35.240 a beautiful experience we're in a world where that kind of personal connection
02:00:42.680 between um non-related people is seldom something that we get a chance to experience much less
02:00:55.620 express whenever i send out a welcome email i talk about you know welcome to our afa family
02:01:02.820 and i really really mean that um we build bonds and friendships and relationships that are lifelong
02:01:11.580 within the austral folk assembly we genuinely love each other and we love what we're doing
02:01:17.260 we love our people we love our gods a number of people when they get involved don't don't know
02:01:25.820 how to do it and i think they fill their head with how they think they're supposed to do things
02:01:33.580 I think it's a lot more simple than that.
02:01:37.720 I think being able to bear your soul to the divine and genuinely worship and love your gods and your folk and your brothers and sisters in your faith community is a wonderful and beautiful place to start.
02:01:54.440 we get so caught up in being warriors or being you know whatever it is there is always
02:02:05.160 the need and the room for that that's what binds us it's what moves us forward it is at the core
02:02:12.280 of devotional religion and it's at the core of building community and building bonds
02:02:18.600 you can build upon that and make it intricately more complex if you'd like
02:02:24.960 but having having that as a base is really really important
02:02:29.640 this doesn't seem connected but it is to something that we touched on earlier and i meant to say it
02:02:36.960 and i forgot to we talked about the effect that social media and society in general has on girls
02:02:47.560 as father of a daughter
02:02:50.300 and speaking with the immense experience
02:02:54.000 of six years of being said
02:02:56.160 tell your daughters that you love them
02:03:01.680 and tell them how awesome they are
02:03:04.120 and tell them that as many times as you possibly can
02:03:07.760 because the world is full of influences
02:03:11.420 that will tell them otherwise
02:03:12.980 don't let those be the loudest voices
02:03:17.440 it's something that as a father of a daughter I'm really aware of that's going on with all
02:03:26.620 of the distractions that Alan mentioned earlier it hits us all it hits men differently in different
02:03:35.040 ways but it hits girls especially hard and it hits girls especially young so
02:03:41.820 So, take care of your daughters.
02:03:46.500 Take care of each other.
02:03:49.160 Till next time, hail the Aesir, hail the folk, hail the AFA.
02:03:54.340 And remember, victory never sleeps.
02:03:57.200 Never sleeps.
02:04:11.820 but apparently the tech does occasionally all right we're in overtime
02:04:31.740 make sure you make it to your doing the half closest to you we have house bloat coming up on
02:04:39.660 the 19th of September. That's going to be at all five of our Hoffs. That is a wonderful time for
02:04:47.400 you to get out there, meet your folk, worship your gods, and gather with folks at one of our
02:04:53.560 Hoffs. If you find yourself within traveling distance of Brownsville, California, Linden,
02:05:01.340 North Carolina, Murdoch, Minnesota, White Springs, Florida, or Austintown, Ohio,
02:05:07.760 join your afa brothers and sisters and celebrate house bloke coming up i personally and we all did
02:05:15.840 it like everybody did it a first time like there was a first time that i walked into an austral
02:05:20.880 gathering and didn't know anybody and i'm just another guy in there like what's going on in here
02:05:30.720 the first time is also it is the scariest time but it's also the coolest time something that
02:05:37.120 you very often remember because it is so special and so unique being the first time so if you if
02:05:44.080 you're a long time member doing this get out to a hoff if it's going to be your first time now is
02:05:49.280 the best time to do that we'd love to see you at the hoff i will be at thor's hoff and i would love
02:05:55.200 to meet you there if you can make it to lyndon north carolina at thor's hoff that's where i will
02:05:59.520 be celebrating house glow so come on out and meet me or come out and see me again if you've already
02:06:05.760 But yeah, I think Nick has awoken, so we'll see y'all next time.
02:06:17.120 To be fair, I wasn't asleep. I was having internet issues.
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