00:18:36.520And now, 800 years, 800 some odd years later,
00:18:42.240we're able to feast upon the fruits of that.
00:18:47.240and these uh lists help us in our worship with our abilities to uh construct prayers
00:19:01.740and we can utilize and keep this tradition alive even if the this strict following of say like
00:19:10.500for needless um style poetry and meter is not known or just isn't somebody's main desire this
00:19:20.580still helps us and we do get these gleaning uh bits of lore but unfortunately even in in this
00:19:28.660section we also learn about how much lore we've lost uh and kind of that open-ended nature of it
00:19:38.260Because in 23, it starts out speaking about the Kinslayer, speaking about the Betrayer, and there are things mentioned that we have only small references to, perhaps in the Voluspout, that there are perhaps other stories, and we don't have them any longer.
00:20:02.460so there's no ability to follow up on the possibilities of these stories um and that's
00:20:12.240what kind of makes i think when uh monotheists and and uh europeans who are kind of inflicted
00:20:19.880by monotheism look at our poetry and our stories like a bible is because there's there's is a
00:20:29.660historical or chronologically written by um israelite jews in the middle east they um
00:20:41.420you know it certainly as a farther it goes back the more mythos it becomes but eventually you
00:20:49.740hit into the roman period and and it's it's uh you know historical with with uh things added
00:20:56.440on to it whereas for us our stories have been passed down long before iceland and
00:21:05.000this is the seed that allowed us to come back i do believe that it was divine um but
00:21:14.120in the process when we spoke about simon and snorri not all of the stories were uh attained
00:21:22.520again and and the possibilities of stories even before Iceland but no one no matter what version
00:21:31.280of Ausatru or I should say Ausatru is and then there are other people attempting their own
00:21:41.340things in a way whether it's historical reenactment or reconstruction or they're
00:21:50.180attempting to uh do some sort of modern thing it all goes back to the the adas and of the poems
00:22:01.660that were set down uh even the theodish folk you know they are doing things in anglo-saxon but
00:22:07.900the the core of the lore comes from the norse material and that's okay i think it's a funneling
00:22:17.620kind of like how we all as a people were together in the east and then as we moved westward we became
00:22:24.440stratified and now here in the ermenreich or the america um in the the uh americas we are
00:22:34.500kind of combining again so um how should we paraphrase loki
00:22:42.060thus call him the son of fawr bauti fawr bauti means far biter and and it could be applied to
00:22:53.320an archer to a spear thrower um perhaps even a sling stone we don't have much evidence of the
00:23:00.380use of sling stones but again slings themselves are made out of a material that wouldn't last
00:23:05.880for very long. And I think for my own personal looking at the gods in a cosmological sense,
00:23:16.500I often associated him with a meteorite, if you will, the stone of a kind of a jotun of space
00:23:25.880intermingling with his mother, Lauvi, which is the next name, which means the leafy one,
00:23:33.200like an island a green island so um the son of Faurbauti and Lauvi or Nil brother of Bileister
00:23:46.740and of Helblindi now this is the part that I was talking about where
00:23:51.880we suddenly find out that there are stories and mentionings outside that were not able to be
00:24:01.540attained by Simondr or Snorri. And in this case, the brother, Bileister, he is mentioned in the
00:24:11.540and is mentioned here from that poem specifically, and nothing else is known. Is there a story
00:24:21.800we don't know it seems that the substantiation of the stories follows the vast core i mean
00:24:31.780obviously there are there are things it runs very chronological and in this case you know as
00:24:40.380snorty is presenting the betrayer is bound he has committed the act and therefore lord balder is
00:24:50.160um in waiting and uh we we have all of the the substantial core of our lore but these little
00:25:00.880tiny satelliting stories i think are very interesting and we you know when we look
00:25:08.120at their names like hellblindi death blind or blind of death and then the direct translations
00:25:16.240can never exactly be taken as just direct it's poetry so so to be death blind or to be
00:25:25.960unable to see death is kind of a you know a poetic way of saying unkillable
00:25:34.180the one or the one that is hard to kill because he just he cannot be forced to look upon death
00:25:43.180and a lot of people take the direct uh translations and and it causes confusion because they're not
00:25:51.220thinking poetically here's another example in the next sentence it says father of the monster of
00:25:57.780vown and you go and you look up vown and it says it's hope and how can the father of the monster
00:26:07.580of hope that is fenris wolf how could hope be his name vaun also means expectation like
00:26:15.960the wolf that is lurking at the edge of the pasture that are the just waiting for the the
00:26:25.900sheep or the cattle to make a wrong move it's just waiting there kind of mouth lolling expecting a
00:26:35.960slip up. And so a lot of times when I see this and people go, well, what does that mean? Why,
00:26:41.700why hope? It's, it also means expectation. And you have to be careful when you, even with,
00:26:48.880with me, then you'll find some scholastic people who will make these kind of just definitive
00:26:55.180interpretations without poetic consideration. They're almost doing it entirely scholarly.
00:27:02.760and then they never take that into consideration and if it kind of goes against a narrative that
00:27:09.340they're trying to push they will just simply skirt right over it so always remember this is built
00:27:16.840around poetry um and i don't know if it's intrinsic in my i guess from my position
00:27:25.560i'm not saying that i have some sort of scholarly point but whenever i read the poetry it
00:27:33.740reads poetically so when uh i was presented with that question why is his name hope i i you know
00:27:42.840i looked it up i'm kind of reading things and i'm like no it's not hope it's it's expectation
00:27:47.520it is another version just like vowel means slain or chosen there are multiple kind of meanings to
00:27:56.000it and the wolf is expecting it's always on the edge waiting for the slip up um and then it
00:28:05.020continues on and of the vast monster that is the midgard serpent and of hell and nari and
00:28:16.020Auli. So here we have Nari, the son. When we get into Auli, that's a very interesting thing.
00:28:26.560One, we know that there was a mess up where the god Vauli was confused as the son of Loki because
00:28:38.840the son of Odin slays the son of Loki and there's a crossover.
00:28:46.220We were talking about this on our lore class last night, that in the scriptoriums, when
00:28:55.020you have multiple people making copies of these poems that have been classified, some
00:29:04.000of the individual writers may have gotten just slightly eschewed in the tangible or chronological.
00:29:15.140But at the end of the day, the overarching point of this is that Loki does bear forth
00:29:21.540much fruit in the spiritual world. And most of it is bad. Not necessarily all of it. We don't have
00:29:32.720a lot of actual lore on uh nari but then we have here aule which is in essence just vauly without
00:29:42.960the v and we can kind of see that there was just this inconsistency i think that kind of makes
00:29:48.160another glaring point as to how it was a miss up there um but it leaves us to wonder um and again
00:29:57.440we don't want to cast and say oh well it's just simply this or simply that we try to keep an open
00:30:03.120mind in our in our church in order to ensure that we are not making these kind of boxes to put the
00:30:11.920spiritual world into even though we're looking at the scholastic lore um so he is the kinsman and
00:30:24.240uncle that's interesting too uh speaking of him as being in relation to the gods through lord
00:30:34.400odin as the blood brother so he is the uncle uh the uncle of balder in an essence and that's why
00:30:42.480kinslayer has pertinence he is the evil companion and the benchmate of odin or and a benchmate is
00:30:53.360the person who sits next to you your friend um he is also and of the icier visitor and chest
00:31:03.760trapping of gero there and there is a reference to another story of gerald who captures loki
00:31:12.640who's attempting to kind of eavesdrop in on the uh jotnar when they steal thor's hammer
00:31:20.480There is Thief of the Giants, Thief of the Goat, Thief of the Brasingaman, the necklace of Holy Freyja, and the Thief of Eden's Apples.
00:31:36.520he is the kinsman of Sleipnir. Sleipnir is the nine-legged horse known as the slipping one or
00:31:46.180the one that can slip through or between or in essence the poetic nature of it is a horse that
00:31:53.360can in essence glide through any obstacles and it being Iceland is the last place where a lot of
00:32:02.440the lore was um written i can see absolutely the poetic nature that um icelandic horses have a fifth
00:32:14.520um gallop or trot it's it's its own form of movement and it's known for its smoothness on
00:32:22.840the rider there's not a lot of kind of jarring nature on the rider so poetically this name could
00:32:30.440also allude to the idea of just being a smooth and sliding ride, if you will, without a lot of
00:32:38.920jarring to the rider, which would be very important at that time. He's also referred to as
00:32:47.300the husband of Sigyon. Sigyon is one of the Aesir, but we don't have a lot of her story.
00:32:56.980And all we do know is that she does remain loyal to him, despite all of the things that he did, and therefore she shares in his confinement.
00:33:10.320um so she is very much associated uh in in essence she is i think poetically and in mythos
00:33:21.880kind of a polar but equalized opposite to nana nana being um devoted to lord balder
00:33:31.720and is that conduit between um the world and lord balder whereas sigyon is not a conduit between
00:33:43.900she's a block she's a shield and so all of that which is heaped upon loki or deserving to be
00:33:52.500heaped upon she's the only thing kind of cutting it off for a while whereas you see nana as the
00:34:00.140giver of the horn and the other as kind of the the shielder of the venom um but both in their
00:34:06.680places of devotion in their femininity they become kind of a conduit between and that's
00:34:15.440kind of how the the the feminine is often placed in um in mythos especially from the divine point
00:34:23.900is that there's kind of a flow through or a blockage of kind of a a controlling of the raw
00:34:29.980power that gets formulated by the the masculine um receiver uh whether it's the horn of wisdom
00:34:38.520or or a weapon or something of that nature we see that often um so he's also um known as
00:34:49.700the foe of the gods if you call yourself ausa through and you hail him then you are not ausa
00:34:57.840through you're not loyal to the gods because he is a foe of the gods um he is the harmer of sif's
00:35:05.880hair he is the forger of evil the sly god and now there's the usage of the word ausor and god
00:35:15.380in this sense it's because it's kind of how we have spoken about alignment when a yotnar aligns
00:35:26.840themselves with the Isir. They become part of the Isir. And so this is kind of referencing to when
00:35:34.960he was not against the gods, but we clearly see it's mixed in with him being against them. So
00:35:45.660there's this kind of constant reminder of the fomentation of allowing this element, this kind
00:35:51.800of fork forked tongue we see it in J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings with worm tongue he's kind of a
00:36:02.800worm tongue point where there's this this person is allowed in because they do bring certain
00:36:10.440elements and and benefits but yet still manage to kind of poison everything around them and are
00:36:18.820often doing it just by their very innate nature not even uh intentionally um so we have uh the
00:36:31.040sly god the slanderer the cheat of the gods uh let's see contriver of balder's death
00:37:07.100Heimdallr is the one who becomes the equilibrium
00:37:10.600To the energy that is Loki. And again, Heimdallr comes from the middle world. He's born of the nine waves. He comes into the heavenly realm and is given complete protection or in job of protecting the gods at any moment.
00:37:31.940If he was to betray his oaths and loyalty and the truce between the Waynes and the Aesir, he could allow anyone to come in and hurt his kinsmen and the other, you know, after the war, the other side, if you will.
00:37:52.380but he doesn't he maintains that truth he maintains that duty whereas another is brought in
00:38:01.040from outside into the heavenly realm and he is consistently working against everything that is
00:38:09.560order and so they definitely have I think an equilibrium there so he is the wrestling foe
00:38:16.800or the wrangling foe of heimdoller and of skadi because it is skadi who places him on the stone
00:38:24.160and binds him even as ulver ugason sings here in his poem he says the famed rainbows defender
00:38:36.560and there's a dash between rain and bow which i find just interesting it is the the bow of the
00:38:43.280rain the famed rainbows defender ready in wisdom striveth at syngestein with loki
00:38:53.200foul bauti's sin sly offspring that one line is just a reiteration of loki um and they they meet
00:39:04.160together uniquely upon this stone that's in the battlefield of ragnarok and uh the son
00:39:14.800of mothers eight and one this is heimdallad born of the nine waves he's born of the waters beyond
00:39:22.800and uh the waters of the of the world um mighty in wrath possesses the stone air like loki cometh
00:39:37.660So at that last part, because again, he's making that meter fit, he will say these things and then say, I make known these songs of praise.
00:39:50.520That part there is anybody that's reading it and it was like, why would he say that?
00:39:55.300It's because he's making the meter fit so that everything else could be there.
00:39:59.900And that meter is what's intrinsic to it being able to be passed down generation after generation by it following the rules.
00:40:11.260And then it says at the bottom outside of that poetic verse, it says, here it is written that Heimdallr is the son of nine mothers.
00:40:22.720and we again see the usage of nine mothers or nine waves throughout all aryan branches of
00:40:33.160religiosity but particularly in ours there is the lord of the waters the lord of the rivers and the
00:40:41.140lakes and the estuaries and and the the beach he we our temple uh to him in florida uh is
00:40:50.120before lord njord he is mentioned as having nine daughters but they're never spoken of by names
00:40:56.940and then in our lore there is also the the lord of the deep oceans and a lot of people don't they
00:41:04.300get confused but it's very much like the relationship in the greek stories of neptune and oceanus
00:41:12.180oceanus is a titan of old and it is the same as ayer and ayer has nine daughters and so some folks
00:41:22.420uh you know grasp at exactly who the the nine mothers could be we don't know um but by his
00:41:32.140nature and by his intent you know i have a tendency to think it it leans more towards
00:41:39.480lord mjord's daughters um but again that's just me trying to fill gaps and we have to
00:41:47.000be careful when we do stuff like that so i want to mention um here and spawn touched on earlier but we
00:41:59.960it's it's odd to consider it sounds like complete common sense but there are
00:42:08.680So early on in modern house true, and there's still some remnant of it out there. There are people that think, I think they see paganism in air quotes or whatever, as a rebellion against Christianity.
00:42:33.900and in doing that they also feel the need dabber rebellion against
00:42:40.460virtues and morality and things like that so there's a certain element of people that
00:42:48.700also want to include loki in their worship because he's in the sagas and in the he's in the lore also
00:42:56.540So, yes, as the foe, as the enemy, this is another reason that I prefer the term Ausatru for our faith is because it means loyalty.
00:43:10.100Yes, it means belief in, but belief in the sense of having the full trust of being in a trusted relationship and a devotional relationship.
00:43:19.460it's you know we all know this that is common sense but it just kind of dials in you know
00:43:26.600his kinnings are bad they're you know the evil companion
00:43:31.400um but very specifically the foe of the gods the slanderer and cheat of the gods
00:43:40.320um you know the forger of evil the contriver of balder's death
00:44:14.640alongside the Aesir, alongside Odin, whose son he murdered,
00:44:24.360if you have a sincere faith in the Israelites,
00:44:29.240do give this some thought if this is something that you hadn't considered or whatever.
00:44:34.800However, it would be heinous to try to celebrate in the same breath that one is celebrating you, someone who's plotted the murder of your son and betrayed you in the most profound way.
00:44:53.140Us doing that would make us guilty of that betrayal.
00:44:57.400You can't worship Loki and be true to the Aesir.
00:45:01.380and again that's common sense for those of you who are like why is he even saying that that's dumb
00:45:07.580good you win um but unfortunately when you've been doing this for the amount of time that's
00:45:13.020fun and i have you run into some people that i think have their own personal demons that
00:45:19.660cloud their sense in this regard um so it is a breaking point i know it wasn't very long
00:45:30.120But I do want to go and do the next section in its entirety.
00:45:34.300So I figured we will clear the questions right now, and then we'll go into the next portion that is a little bit more lengthy.
00:45:43.300First, Nick in Kentucky, who I had the pleasure of meeting this last month and having over to my home for our Frey Facts of Celebration,
00:45:54.280donated $50 towards the Pavilion and $25 to Thoris Hall.
00:45:59.340thank you so much uh it's very much appreciated um yeah thank you thank you to everybody who
00:46:06.060continues to be so generous to us um a couple few questions rachel in tennessee asks do we know who
00:46:15.420will be the hof hero for tears off any chance it could be prince herman
00:46:20.620no i mean no in the sense that that is not in stone who the hof hero will be um
00:52:21.240Next, Rachel asks, what is the best city to fly into for Frasehof?
00:52:26.460so i was asking on the side to see if cliff might have a preference on this i don't you know flights
00:52:34.220can vary the there may be a smaller airport that'll get the job done um but as far as big airports
00:52:42.940cleveland and pittsburgh are both within one minute of the exact same distance from the hoff
00:52:50.380so i think looking at one of those two you could you know whatever's got the cheaper
00:52:55.660the cheaper arrangement both are about an hour and 12 hour and 13 drive time from phrase off
00:53:05.260and then uh question can you talk about the decision to make the one percent
00:53:10.460hoftholler donation the standard as opposed to the previous membership options that were
00:53:14.940number amounts for most uh yes absolutely um for a for a long time we wanted to uh
00:53:30.140change the concept of giving within the afa from it being membership dues in a club to something
00:53:40.460that reflects the religious nature of what we do um when i became the also here you go i started
00:53:47.740trying to see how other faiths do this not just the christian ones that we're all you know tend
00:53:54.780to be more aware of but you know how to how to hindus how to you know this folks how does how
00:54:00.940do how do folks do this to where that part of you know getting donations works right
00:54:07.260and there's a lot of fancy ideas, but the bedrock idea that I've come back with countless times is
00:54:17.280through percentage-based donation. And I started looking at like, you know, why on that? Why is
00:54:25.700that so important? One of the things that's very appealing about that is that we rise and fall
00:54:32.880together with when people can't pay or there's a hardship or whatever one percent of zero zero
00:54:41.920um you know one percent of a dollar is a penny um but if people are doing really well and people
00:54:50.880are succeeding and doing great then you know we all excel on that but everybody it's inherently
00:55:00.640very very fair in the sense that it is percentage-wise equally burdensome um to everybody
00:55:10.160but based according to to their circumstance in their life um
00:55:16.320and it gets people invested in what we're doing as a part like an integrated part of their
00:55:22.800their budget structure to where it's not a you're not purchasing a service you're donating you're
00:55:33.340contributing a part of your earnings to making outs of true happen and making outs which will
00:55:38.600be successful and so i was like ah that's what we should do this is this is a new and amazing
00:55:43.720concept you know look i'm a genius guys and so i'm like you know what we should do is try to
00:55:48.860figure out what we should call it. Aha, we've discovered we should call it the Hoftholler.
00:55:54.320It astounded me when I looked back and no, this is something in the old editions of the
00:56:00.300RuneStone back in the 1980s that Steve McAllen tried literally under the name Hoftholler and
00:56:07.360with the suggestion of a minimum of 1%. And that really rang out to me as something like,
00:56:16.560okay two things with the exact same concept the exact same idea of the percentage the
00:56:22.960i think something's special in that i think something's you know serendipitous in that
00:56:27.520um but it didn't work at the time one of the reasons it didn't at that stage
00:56:33.120in also true everyone was very very disjointed um very
00:56:38.960focused I just hadn't grown up at that point it's it's easy to you know be critical but
00:56:50.860the people were very again they weren't part of a unified whole there wasn't the glue and the
00:56:59.340cohesiveness in organization that we've tried so hard to build in modern times and so it didn't
00:57:06.480take on. People weren't ready for that at that point. So we've been trying to implement that
00:57:14.580slowly over time. And as more and more people were able to do it in that way, we wanted to
00:57:20.340make sure that was the standard. Now, we don't have to do that. If people want to go at one of
00:57:28.620those amounts that is lower we appreciate we appreciate the donations and uh you know we don't
00:57:36.420want to twist anybody's arm but you don't get what you don't ask for and i do think it's appropriate
00:57:41.560to ask our faith community to make the worship of our gods worth you know at least one percent
00:57:51.820of their resources. And if we all do that, we all succeed together in proportion to how successful
00:58:00.480we all are in life. And I think it's a beautiful thing if people are willing to donate in that way.
00:58:09.380Something we're very grateful for when people are willing to donate in that way. And it's something
00:58:14.260that has moved Ausitru forward at a pace that it had not been able to do in in the first i don't
00:58:23.860know first 35 40 years of modern Ausitru we've seen a tremendous ability to get Hoffs for our
00:58:33.620gods and to do this at a at a level closer to what they deserve and you know we won't get there our
00:58:41.540gods are amazing there is no possible way to be you know to have this be perfect enough but we
00:58:47.940certainly want to try we always want to trend closer to that and this this helps us do that
00:58:53.700in a big way but if anybody has questions on it uh please ask your folk builder or feel free to
00:59:01.140email me at matt flavel at runestone.org and um yeah i'd be happy to explain or talk to anybody
00:59:11.860about it that that needs that or wants that uh spawn do you have any thoughts on it
00:59:20.180we have a lot of again i was speaking about the negative mindsets that people have and it's very
00:59:28.260hard in this day and age i think with sardonic or cynical ways of thinking perhaps internet way
00:59:36.700of thinking um a lot of people don't understand how hard it is uh we're coming into bringing our
00:59:47.940faith into the world of real religions like that we are there to bring like say our religion is
00:59:58.740the religion of our folk and we are here in this arena of the uh american and i would even say
01:00:07.560international world and the western anglosphere everything we're bringing ausatru into this
01:00:14.480new domain where it never was it was the the christians and even islam because of its size
01:00:22.280etc was brought in and taken seriously and then um all the while in the fringes you had these kind
01:00:29.740kind of just groups gathering together well now we've moved up from that and then you find a lot
01:00:35.620of these people um who will snide their nose and try to drag ausatru back down into the fringes
01:00:43.200And they will try to poison and pull apart all of these ideas. But the reality is success comes from unification and it comes from a unilateral usage of funds and motivations.
01:01:03.200motivations and uh when we constantly have uh like money uh websites like or like if say like
01:01:15.880if paypal wants to just suddenly cut our our funding off or our ability to pay the bills
01:01:21.400uh there's just this consistent kind of adversarial element that doesn't want us to be present i
01:01:29.420think there's a very telling reason is that they're scared um the best way to fight that is
01:01:36.740to do to do it unilaterally and in the percent based format i think it's also a great way
01:01:45.920as you said the success of the whole kind of builds forward together um you know and i i just
01:01:54.260find that it's hard for me sometimes to not get bitter when i hear people consistently uh claim
01:02:01.700to want to do things to unify under one banner and move forward and and uh coalesce and then
01:02:08.820the moment it's just not them at the helm they gotta try to snide it or you know people are
01:02:15.940gonna people are gonna do that people give me negative the crab in the bucket thing is a real
01:02:20.260thing it's an epidemic amongst our folk when they see somebody being successful they try to pull
01:02:24.980them back down which is what it is but what you mentioned earlier and what you were talking about
01:02:32.420we're talking about the potential of you know afa olympics we live in an amazing time to be
01:02:39.380outside it is beautiful it is amazing it is a wonderful time to be part of the astro folk
01:02:44.980assembly also true is happening in a much more at a much higher volume right now than at any point
01:02:55.340in our life we live in a very very special time and there's people that um for whatever reason
01:03:01.840are uncomfortable contributing in certain ways but there's also more than ever people who have
01:03:08.400given deeply of themselves and are very generous and willing to to donate so much to us and we're
01:03:17.840we're grateful we've got amazing things accomplished with it and we'll continue to do it in the future
01:03:23.200a couple of notes i wanted to make um before i knew that and so i don't forget uh steven in japan
01:03:30.400donated five dollars towards the pavilion and ten dollars towards phrasehoff thank you so much for
01:03:36.000that we deeply appreciate it we appreciate your consistent generosity on here um
01:03:43.280i wanted to mention a couple of things about hoff toller so we didn't just come up with a word
01:03:47.920although it would have been cool if we did but it's an existent term um that was literally the
01:03:54.000hoff toll or the tax on the people to support the hoffs and the gothar in our ancestors time
01:04:02.000and kind of a note on that when I was reading and the first time I saw that was or first time
01:04:08.080I saw this next first time I saw the thing I'm about to talk to you about was in Elder Gods by
01:04:15.440Stephen Paulington um I think it was Archbishop Wolfstand but I don't I could be wrong on that
01:04:24.540But talking about Ausitruar and the Danelaw, he was, you know, getting mad at this flock of Christians because they were so, you know, reticent and delinquent in being able to pay their tithe.
01:04:42.480And he was comparing it to their counterparts.
01:04:46.260And he said the Ausitruer were always meticulous about paying their hoftoller and about keeping their temples well-stocked with provisions and well-stocked with all of the material needs for their gods and the Gotharing.
01:05:02.120I thought that was really telling because it's not something we often hear about amongst our ancestors.
01:05:08.840and it's something we might have thought
01:12:10.700And yet we can too, despite many, many, many centuries of time going,
01:12:19.580And we can relate. So let's see. Also, I also wanted to bring up another point, because while you were talking, I was trying to create a couple of bullet points I wanted to bring up is that Hrongnir is very much just as much as the serpent is the opposition to the striker.
01:12:42.820so too is the mimic striker. The one who is on parallel to the striker and all that is good for
01:12:55.480him, the heavenly realm. We see this in the Hittite and the Luwian traditions, and we only
01:13:06.380have just small amounts but there is this the giant that is of the sea or of the mountains
01:13:15.260and he attempts to create or gain uh oh the striker has a sidekick i'll make a sidekick
01:13:23.500and and he it's almost comical and it what it is is it's just this it it's he hates the success
01:13:32.620of the gods that's what it all boils down to so um you'll see a lot of that in this very
01:13:40.700long uh section and again section 24 i mean it's just very very thick with all of the
01:13:49.740lore and it doesn't really talk about his heighty this part switches straight into
01:13:55.580lore dumping on the the the scald so that he can utilize this knowledge um so perhaps that might
01:14:06.300mean that this was actually very scant that the story was not widespread and that snorty was
01:14:12.880trying to attempt to remedy that um by this time or it was just simply a huge interest because of
01:14:22.700its relatability so 24 about the giant wrong near now an account shall be given of the source of
01:14:32.680those metaphors which have been but now been recorded so kind of in the first line they're
01:14:38.400reinforcing my theory about it uh and of which no accounts were rendered before even such as
01:14:46.520bragi gave to ayir telling how thor had gone into the east to slay trolls and odin rode slepnir
01:14:55.800into jotunheim and visited that giant whose name was hrongnir the ruffian hrongnir asked what
01:15:04.920manner of man he with the golden helm might be it's an interesting point the golden helm of lord
01:15:11.960Odin um so he uh who rode through the air and on the water and said that the stranger had a
01:15:23.160wondrously good steed Odin said he would wager his head there were no horse in Jotunheim that
01:15:31.400would prove equally as good Hrongnir answered that it was a good horse but declared his horse
01:15:39.960was much better and paste which he called golden mane krongnir had become angry and vaulted up onto
01:15:48.920his horse and galloped after the rider thinking to pay him for his boastings odin galloped so
01:15:57.240furiously that he was on top of the next hill first but krongnir was so filled with the giant's
01:16:03.240frenzy that he took no heed until he had come upon the uh come in beyond the gates of ausgard
01:16:10.760so right away there there's this racing and again iceland shapes much of because of the audience
01:16:20.680so there's this uh competition but lord olden is doing something else as he's ought often to do
01:16:31.160is kind of thinking ahead in many different ways and so soon he's chasing and chasing
01:16:40.360and trying to and now he ends up in the halls of the gods so uh
01:16:48.920when he came to the hall door the icer invited him to drink he went within and ordered a drink
01:16:56.360to be brought to him and then those flagons were brought in from which thor was want to drink so
01:17:03.400the cups or the the the mead bowl the flagon that uh was customary for thor was given to
01:17:11.480to uh hrongnir um and this is kind of that again that paralleling um
01:17:17.720And Rangnir swilled from each in turn, but when he had become so drunken, then big words were not
01:17:27.620wanting. He boasted that he would lift up Valhall and carry it into Jotunheim, and he would sink
01:17:34.900Ausgard and kill all the gods, save that he would take only Freyja and Sif home with him.
01:17:41.060Freyja was the only of the gods that would dare pour ale for him
01:17:48.760And he vowed that he would drink all of the ale of the Aesir
01:17:53.740But when his overbearing insolence became too tiresome for even the gods
01:18:01.380So in that time, Holy Freyja is the only one brave enough to get near him
01:18:10.580and pour for him to continue that hospitality um and a very viscerally human understanding that
01:18:19.880this is something absolutely that the audience could relate to having this kind of
01:18:28.180uh antagonistic guest in the halls um and and all of the events that would come from it and all of
01:18:38.860those events of course in instigation by the one who knows beyond many things um so straight away
01:18:48.280thor comes into the hall brandishing his hammer and he was very wroth and asked who had advised
01:18:56.940that these dogs of giants be permitted to drink in here or who granted hrungnir safe conduct in
01:19:03.460Valhall or why Freya should pour for him as at a feast of the gods then and that's another point
01:19:13.880too is is uh the fact that Freya is pouring for him the um high station of women in hall culture
01:19:25.120and the fact that it is her pouring for him is again a point of contention
01:19:32.300because that honor is not due for someone who's acting this way is basically what thor is saying
01:19:39.220um so then rungnir answered looking at thor with no friendly eyes and said that
01:19:48.200holden had invited him to drink and he was under his safe conduct thor then declared that frangnir
01:19:56.440should repent under that invitation before he left in essence beg his pardon and leave uh
01:20:07.400prongnir answered that alsator would have scant renown for killing him under such a lofty scent
01:20:17.980of protection from his father and in the hall and that he was weaponless weaponless as he was
01:20:24.920that he was unarmed it was a greater trial of his courage if he dared to fight prongnir on the
01:20:31.700border of Grotengard. Now Grotengard really just means it's a quarry. Grotuna is a quarry or a
01:20:46.040quarry town. And in this case, the rubbled edge of a mountain in the kind of poetic sense of a
01:20:54.580so you know he says you you you would you would gain better renown to come and settle this dispute
01:21:02.920outside in in in uh grow tuna guard and it was a great folly said he when i left my shield and
01:21:14.340home behind at home if i had my weapons here then we should try single combat but as matters stand
01:21:23.180i declare thee a coward if thou wilt slay me a weaponless man thor thor was by no means anxious
01:21:31.580to avoid the fight when the challenged when challenged to the field for no one had ever
01:21:37.600offered him single combat before so there's this coupling of if you slay me now you are a coward
01:21:47.880but i'm not a coward i'll challenge you to single combat it just needs to be later because i forgot
01:21:54.060to bring my weapons which is true but again it's that ruffian nature it's the exposing
01:22:00.960that the crudeness of mind is also uh pre uh pre preceding the crudeness of his body um and
01:22:12.980Thor finds that very much obliging. Then Rangnir went his way. He galloped furiously back into
01:22:23.300Jotunheim. The news of his journey was spread abroad amongst all of the giants, and it became
01:22:30.000noised abroad that a meeting had been arranged between him and Thor. The giants deemed that they
01:22:37.140had much at stake. Who would win the victory since they looked for ill at Thor's hands if
01:22:44.080Hrongnir perished? He being the strongest of them, strongest of them all. Then the giants
01:22:53.080made a man out of clay at Grotunegard. He was nine miles high and three miles broad
01:23:04.640and under the armpits by they they could get no heart big enough to fit him until they took one
01:23:14.680from a mare even that was not steadfast within him and then thor came now this is just very
01:23:24.500interesting and it will be mentioned here uh but they formulate a uh a uh squire if you will
01:23:35.620for prongnir a kind of um servant or assistant to uh match thor and this this uh creation of
01:23:47.360this kind of Gollum-like giant that has the heart of a horse inside
01:23:54.300and that it could barely contain it is just interesting.
01:23:59.920It's kind of the mockery of creation and order in kind of a just brutish sense.
01:24:10.500So even that was not steadfast to hold within him when Thor came.
01:24:15.860This means, too, that not only that, the heart in him could not stay confined because he was scared of Thor.
01:24:25.320Hrongnir had the heart which is notorious, a hard stone and spiked with three corners.
01:24:33.060Even as written, character is since formed, which men call Hrongnir's heart.
01:24:39.000Now, I'm going to touch briefly just on the, I believe, the mistranslated theory about the Valknaut being Krongnir's heart, simply because the symbol has three sides.
01:24:53.620the valk knot i believe has more intrinsically tied to the knot work of it the entwining um in
01:25:04.120this case what they're referring to is just that to have a hardened heart uh if a warrior had a
01:25:12.340hardened heart uh and his is made of stone and is not round but angular and pointed um they're kind
01:25:22.240of emphasizing that despite rungnir being crude he is still stalwart and again he is the only one
01:25:32.280that that had the gall to tell uh lord thor i want to meet you in one-on-one combat so that i think
01:25:42.480is where people are simply just connecting those twos because of the sides of but not considering
01:25:50.940form of but uh here it says even as written character is sense formed so the character in a
01:25:59.020in a a warrior that is cold and unafraid and just does the worst things he has krongnir's heart
01:26:10.420his head was also stone his shield too was stone wide and thick he had the shield before him
01:26:20.880when he stood at the quarry Grotunjagard and waited for Thor.
01:26:27.840Moreover, he had a honing stone as a weapon.
01:26:31.920So in essence, a giant stone club and honing stones of that day.
01:26:38.300I know we often think of maybe like a wheel,
01:26:40.580but oftentimes they were kind of like an ore-shaped stone
01:29:53.840So, I'm sorry, I always end up losing my track on this.
01:30:00.820So, from below the earth, and we'll come at thee from beneath.
01:30:06.700So then, Frongnir thrust the shield under his feet
01:30:11.600and stood upon it, wielding the home with both hands.
01:30:17.040Then speedily he saw lightning and heard claps of thunder.
01:30:22.500Then he saw Thor in godlike anger, who came forward furiously and swung the hammer and cast it at Hrongmir from afar.
01:30:33.920Hrongmir lifted up his honing stone with both hands and cast it against him, and it struck the hammer in flight, and the hone burst asunder.
01:30:44.900one part fell to the earth and thence are all come that which we call flint rock the other
01:30:53.560burst onto thor's head and so that it fell uh thor's head so that he fell forward to the earth
01:31:01.140but the hammer mjolnir struck krongnir in the middle of his head and smashed his skull into
01:31:08.020small crumbs and he fell forward upon Thor so that his foot lay over Thor's neck. Thealfi struck
01:31:17.160at Makarkalvi and he fell with little glory. Thereupon Thealfi went over to Thor and would
01:31:26.660have lifted Frongnir's foot off of him but could not find the strength and straight away all of
01:31:34.120the Aesir came there, and when they learned that Thor was fallen and would have lifted the foot
01:31:41.780from off of him and could do nothing, then it was that Magni, his son, came up, the son of Thor,
01:31:50.200and Iarnsaxa. A lot of people say Jarnsaxa. No, the J is a double E sound, same as the rune Iwaz.
01:32:02.020uh iron iron iron knife iron saxa the son magni he comes forward he was then only three nights
01:32:14.140old and cast the foot off prongnir off thor and spake see how ill it is father that i came so late
01:32:24.080i had struck this giant dead with my fist methinks if i had met with him so he says i i came too late
01:32:32.260all i can do is help you lift off this giant's leg uh but if i was here earlier i would have
01:32:40.080struck him simply with my fist thor arose and welcomed his son saying that he should surely
01:32:47.640become great and i will give thee he said the horse golden mane that was owned by hrongnir
01:32:55.400then odin spoke and said that thor did wrong to give the good horse to the son of a giantess
01:33:01.720and not to his father so that part there too it reads very much like the icelandic sagas
01:33:11.000there is um battling and contention and then uh the the kind of proudness of the father to son
01:33:21.400and then the grandfather saying why you know why are you giving him such a fine horse
01:33:27.080uh you should have given it to me and that kind of that capricious uh almost kind of winking nature
01:33:35.240of lord odin um and then it switches into section 25. i don't know if you want to press on or yeah
01:33:44.600these are all very before we before we do that um we got a couple of things came up uh spawn can you
01:33:53.480describe the thor's hawk houseboat ritual involving uh the spirits of summer and the spirits of winter
01:34:01.720yes I can who who uh who's who asked that question um no uh house bloats and the coming of the winter
01:34:15.640um this is a tradition built around what I could basically just describe is is is after bloat
01:34:24.280So like the maypole dance, when we do bloat, bloat is the primary function of our gatherings is to share and exchange might and power with the gods and piety and all of this.
01:34:39.920But in the latter half of our bloats, there's generally what would be kind of seen as community feasting and or paired with traditional things like we have the maypole during May Day.
01:34:55.080We jump the fire at midsummer. And these are, again, not the sole focus of the bloat. In essence, it is always the exchange there, the gifting to the gods that is the main focus.
01:35:10.420But afterwards, there is a celebration, and that celebration can manifest in different hops and different places differently. I think it would be great if we made it far more than just locally.
01:35:28.540so i i try to promote that but it is just worth remembering it's part of the structure of the
01:35:34.560bloat so in this case after the uh house bloat um there is a tradition we do in which is it kind
01:35:45.140of plays out very much like a groundhog kind of um intent where the light side of the summer
01:35:53.260is relinquishing its tiding over to the dark tide of the year and so we have um equal numbers
01:36:02.340in uh like dressed in white or in light clothing wearing masks of broadleaf trees and um greenery
01:36:14.260of the summer also animals of the summer and local animals not i mean you're not going to find
01:36:19.940somebody dressed up like a rhinoceros or something from a far off land no it's it's the local
01:36:26.540animals are represented and the masks can be quite crude they're not i would love to see a day in the
01:36:35.300future where perhaps they are very intricate but they also kind of have a certain sense of charm
01:36:41.000when they're they're they're more crude and uh when you see these these uh players getting together
01:36:49.580and they have these kind of strange masks on it really does kind of entice some
01:36:56.460time that time of the year so uh the dark side then also wears all uh dark colors and um the
01:37:04.780light side is represented by bells and the dark side by drums and there is a fight between the
01:37:10.940two sides um and i we joke and say like tell all your friends we beat each other with sticks two
01:37:17.260bloody pulps but that's just a joke what it really is is that the sticks themselves are the battle
01:37:24.460where the light side and the dark side gather together the light light side protects the fire
01:37:31.420representing the sun and the warmth and the winter side comes in and attempts to extinguish that
01:37:38.620light and as your stave breaks you you cross staves with your opposing side and if your stave
01:37:49.260breaks you get uh kind of removed from the fight and as it goes eventually there will be a winner
01:37:56.220and we read that as kind of an interpretation of how the winter tide will roll uh if the summer
01:38:03.700tight winds it's a soft winter uh perhaps with harsh spikes um if the winter side wins it will
01:38:10.980be a harsh winter throughout and so on and so forth but ultimately it's done in in good fun
01:38:17.940and to honor the land and to honor the spirits of the land in the transitional time of this equinox
01:38:28.900sounds exciting i'm looking forward to seeing it for the first time here in a few weeks
01:38:33.700we gotta we gotta get you on the side i usually ref unless you're gonna ref and then i'll get on
01:38:42.040a side i never get to play yeah i don't know which side yeah i don't know how we divide up
01:38:48.980whose side who's on i do say that we have a rule though if you are everyone wants to be on the dark
01:38:54.800side first and do the wolves and the and the or the coyotes and the owls and the bats and all these
01:39:01.180wintertime animals um if you do that then you have to be light side the next year can't be
01:39:08.060you can't have people bogarting one side so
01:39:13.980you messed up my idea of being a rhinoceros
01:39:18.940we've i wouldn't have to say it if i didn't have to you know tell someone that's not appropriate
01:39:25.900i'm an ostrich that's not an animal of this area
01:39:32.160i hope that when we you know if we got this figured out we're celebrating this in
01:39:40.140south africa right that you would you'd be disallowed from your life no that's like
01:39:46.540whatever you're trying to do it is totally localized so yeah i'm not i'm not anything
01:39:52.640thing that people don't one of the cool things about the time that we live in is practicing
01:40:03.260also true in a modern and relative relevant context looks different so it's cool to
01:40:14.360i don't know celebrate viking age imagery and scandinavian and like continental
01:40:21.680uh european animals and stuff but it was kind of neat when we got um your talk to have like
01:40:29.160the marlin as their their uh um hofalia there um it's cool to
01:40:36.980see the expressions of our faith because the natural world does play such an important part
01:40:47.140and to see that expressed in all the different places that our folk have laid claim to
01:40:53.720um you know i'm i joke but i think it'd be really cool to see you know this kind of thing done in
01:41:00.380south africa if we had a you know vidarshof in south africa we could very well have you know
01:41:06.360rhinoceros heads or elephant heads you know on the on the gables i i i get to people like some
01:41:14.680people i had a conversation with uh thomas rousel on x where he had mentioned uh the fee fought
01:41:20.760not being associated with lord frere and it was on my bread horse for the year and um i i was saying
01:41:29.300that you know the symbology of that symbol can be broad but it goes beyond that and and this isn't
01:41:35.300about to try to open up some avenue of like uh kind of you know that that discourse but what
01:41:42.420i'm really saying is in the positive sense is uh when we have people that are like our ancestors
01:41:48.020didn't do that our ancestors didn't act that way it's like our ancestors didn't have australia
01:41:53.460and what is also true in celebrating yule in australia and it just throws everything on its
01:41:59.540head but the point of it is it's we we have it we have australia we have south africa we have
01:42:07.860the possibility of the gods returning to their people and we are encountering things our ancestors
01:42:16.980specifically in iceland of the nordic you know preservation of the faith never would have um
01:42:25.700had to encounter and and so when i see people say oh like uh your politics which i don't like that
01:42:31.780means that our ancestors didn't do it it's like so we all need to be monotheists or uh you know
01:42:38.260or like i don't know where you're going with this that's the thing there's elements to our faith
01:42:44.020that have to be relevant to the world that we live in right it's a living religion a lot of people
01:46:19.500I'm sure Spahn can go into some detail, but that's one of the things, it is always a challenge
01:46:25.620to find within our lore the purpose of the writings as we're talking about earlier about
01:46:32.820iceland and their preservation of things there are some poems that are very obviously meant
01:46:39.540to talk about high cosmology about the war about the nature of the gods they're meant to inform
01:46:48.340about religious practice or they're meant to be like wisdom from our ancestors but there's
01:46:55.300other poems that are meant to be humorous they're meant as comedies for the people to enjoy
01:47:03.220because again these were written um 200 years after the widespread practice of our faith so
01:47:13.620there are some of the poems and i i feel specifically like harvard's leo uh the
01:47:20.820locasena anything involving flighting flighting is a funny battle between characters
01:47:30.660and it isn't really meant to be like this is an event that happened in asgard it's meant to be
01:47:39.780this is a ridiculous scenario with these characters that you know from our legends and
01:47:45.780and presupposing them getting into a you know a body argument or a body experience
01:47:53.620and so having the discernment to recognize which pieces of the war were intended for which kind of
01:48:00.420purpose can be challenging especially somebody that's new it's one of the reasons that um
01:48:08.660snorri's work i think is so very important is he's really clear about the purpose of it
01:48:14.980um the previous poem to this that we went over the guilt beginning is very intentionally meant
01:48:20.820to be this is the beliefs of our ancestors and again even in that situation he sets it up with a
01:48:28.500you know a fictitious encounter between a king and the gods in disguise to have
01:48:34.980to put this information in their mouths in that scenario but the point is these are the
01:48:41.220authentic beliefs of our ancestors just like the point in this piece is here i'm writing this to
01:48:48.580teach skulls how to make reference to our lore how to make reference to our you know the beliefs of
01:48:56.180our ancestors how to make these poetic reference points it's a little bit more um you know you
01:49:02.500have the poems that are meant to be body humor but you also have poems that are meant to be very
01:49:08.980serious uh treatises on on our faith and on serious beliefs our ancestors like the below spout
01:49:19.060um like to have them all um there are poems that are written again the more you
01:49:26.900the more you study and you and you read them and you try to absorb them the more you can kind of
01:49:31.140discern which things are intended in what way spawn you have more on that yeah i the best way
01:49:39.060that i like to think of this is when you look at the the criticism of this situation obviously
01:49:50.340when we're talking about faith and religion in its time we have most often monotheistic views
01:50:00.900is that they are deifying mortals that they take a mortal and they're they're flipping the whole
01:50:08.340thing on its head and and now it's the the mortal is deified and then over time and editing can do
01:50:16.820no wrong it's the opposite in our situation is that we take primordial forces of divinity and
01:50:24.740nature and we humanize them uh or you hemorize them and oftentimes as i was here really said
01:50:33.780in frameworks that could only really be understood in their time frame i mean again at the at these
01:50:42.660times. The bawdiness and the idea of looting, pillaging, the rapscallion nature of being a
01:50:58.980pirate, you know, where now it's kind of romanticized that you're going to get, you know,
01:51:04.260Johnny Depp kind of swaying in. In reality, you know, he's a killer and, you know, probably
01:51:12.580infested with venereal diseases etc like people don't think about the reality of things versus
01:51:21.000the romanticized version and so sometimes we get these glimpses into the gods as cosmic forces
01:51:27.400being brought down and and again viscerally made human for the audience to understand and that's
01:51:34.680The way our religion kind of works is that the bigger gets pulled down into the human, whereas you see later on in monotheistic and even and I would even say like with Buddhism, where the mortal is elevated into the cosmic and that mortal is then peeled apart of being human for that direct reason.
01:52:01.360That's the part of the process that they're attempting to make. So when, say, you know, Siddhartha denies his princely duty to go live under a tree and eat bird poop, that eventually kind of gets washed away in this grand kind of separation.
01:52:24.460Or when Jesus says to, or excuse me, Rabbi Yeshua, I need to keep that in contact.
01:52:31.320When Rabbi Yeshua says that everybody that isn't a Jew is a dog, but occasionally masters
01:52:37.820throw scraps to the dogs and he helps the Sarmatian woman, people have a tendency to
01:52:46.020But then in the same way it works in our faith, but it's the directions is what I'm referring
01:52:53.300to is monotheistic they do from the earth bound up to the cosmic ours is cosmic being drawn down
01:53:01.220into the earthly elements and sometimes it could be visceral um and it also depends on the author
01:53:08.340and his intentions saxo grammaticus hated the gods he hated the essence of the divine
01:53:13.940he totally believed the of the mortal divinity um that uh you know this the kind of messiah
01:53:21.540The anointed one, this mortal man being of the God of the Jews and the Israelites coming up and out and exuding based on tenets that, again, I think are kind of antithetical to heroicism of Europeans.
01:53:41.000But I digress. He turns around, euhemorizes the gods, makes them viscerally human, and then emphasizes points that I think our ancestors even then held some reservations towards.
01:54:00.480They understood the brutality of being attacked and they didn't like it. And yet at the same time, people going off a Viking were doing brutal acts sometimes as they were not always trading and they weren't always raiding.
01:54:18.280but the situations the people whether they were a band of outlaws on a boat etc so when we get
01:54:26.480these glimpses of the gods i like to remind myself that again this is a pulling down nature and a
01:54:34.360honing of of the gods into mortal frame not placing mortals into godly frames and
01:54:44.680understanding the context of the history we cannot present ties i mean we know and it's like
01:54:53.460it's not an admission of condoning um you know if if we were to out here it would be ridiculous
01:55:01.700to say that we are condoning these these kind of thoughts and actions but it would also be a lie
01:55:06.580to say that it wasn't part of life back then um just as much as say uh you know jesus says
01:55:14.180his father's law is still the law and that law dictates that you do not sit or like house near
01:55:21.460a woman who's on her period so these details are just interesting but i would beckon anyone who
01:55:30.260might have any criticisms to consider my point about directionality but outside of that you know
01:55:44.180all right then we got another question we got a couple of well that was a good one okay so we've
01:55:51.120got a question but it's a big question uh arvind bill stems from proto-germanic uh
01:56:01.400auza vandalas the prefix auza shares the root with aurora uh in the latin and iostra in old
01:56:12.680English denoting dawn, brightness, rising light. The Cogren appears in Old English as
01:56:18.840Arendelle, ray of light, morning star, famously glossed the Latin Lucifer, Venus as the morning
01:56:26.580star. A question, given the above, about Arendelle is Thor's fight about the spring thunders
01:56:34.760releasing the rains and astro-theology regarding the Venus star heralding the spring sun.
01:56:42.680That is a phenomenal question. And I would start by simply going right to the core at the end. I do believe it is, but I don't believe it's the Venus. So I would propose that it may be another star.
01:57:02.780Right. But that's kind of just the short answer. Let's go back a little bit. Interesting. I know
01:57:11.220many Lord of the Rings fans, Arendelle is a name of the Arendelle, the half elf.
01:57:17.880That was taken by Tolkien in relation. And yes, that Eastern light, the Eastern star.
01:57:26.980And we see this connectivity, obviously, with Ostra, but I believe that Ostra is the evening star, whereas Arvindel is, in particular, a different star, or at least in association with the auratic light, the aura of light coming from the east.
01:57:56.120specifically or perhaps a star rising over a specific land mass at some point in history
01:58:04.500where it was kind of correlated that when this star rises over um and then thor is is the the
01:58:13.740key component but in the story remember there's not a fight um thor is carrying uh uh arendel in
01:58:23.440a basket and his um toe is frozen and he rips it out and he throws it up into the sky and that is
01:58:33.180particularly from the old norse account um but we do again see this name going all the way back
01:58:41.900uh in gutanish and in lombardic language and things like that i have just kind of taken this
01:58:49.260interpretation that it is um astrological just like uh fiazi's eyes um and if anybody's ever
01:58:59.340familiar with nigel pennock uh nigel pennock has influenced a lot of people in both runic
01:59:05.840and astrological and even ritual uh he has a nine grid rune thing that i i hear you know
01:59:13.780uh the norena society's kind of built their like ritual around this uh stylized um ceremony um
01:59:23.940and we have like this segmenting of the sky he talks about the runes he talks about the houses
01:59:32.960of and that the uh astrological um sciences are not like simply just from like say sumer
01:59:42.460with the babylonians but that um our people had almost their dis their in their their distinct
01:59:49.540and um internalized view especially since they were navigators by the stars especially in the
01:59:57.160sea capacity so as far as the connection with lucifer because you i mean you tagged on a lot
02:00:04.060of stuff uh lucifer and and the greek concept of that and i that would take a while to go into for
02:00:13.620for people especially because spooky word um but you know the utilization of the the light bringer
02:00:22.000in the greek sense when these ethnic jews were who were christians coming into greece um that
02:00:30.640and the fraternal orders of greece and the philosophical fraternal orders a lot of that
02:00:38.140is where we get kind of that spooky uh strangeness from when it comes to luciferian eastern star
02:00:48.620kind of things but i think that does get kind of knocked down when i'm proposing that it's a
02:00:56.740different star it's not uh or i mean it's being it's not venus that it is a star um which star
02:01:05.000though i'm still up in the air about um i i do kind of have a a heavy belief that fiazi's eyes
02:01:12.720are castor and pollock's but as far as uh arvindil's toe i'm not 100 on and for anybody that
02:01:23.240um might be like why are they going on about these stars and stuff uh yesterday just yesterday
02:01:28.980in the western sky during the equinox you see this orange sky as the sun sets and there is a
02:01:38.460bright pinprick of light that almost looks like something like floating in the air that is um the
02:01:46.440evening star which is the planet venus uh that shows up at the uh the uh equinoxal times of the
02:01:55.320year and it is very staunch so 100 um you know powerful it has that mythical draw of our people
02:02:05.400our people would definitely see it and uh the stories that are passed down from the gods to us
02:02:11.960kind of correlating uh two things but i think because of the break we may have gotten
02:02:19.400the star slash planet wrong and that it is a different one
02:02:25.320i just wish i could give you the one i i truly believe it is because i don't know
02:02:33.880yeah i love the deep dive that you did on that with the uh with the etymology i think that's
02:02:38.680very important yeah I think I would highly encourage more people to dig
02:02:46.840deeply in the etymology of these names these names carry a lot of meaning when
02:02:54.180you find them in the lore they're not just random things they're very often
02:02:58.480deep with meaning so I think the more we can go into named etymologies of you
02:03:06.280know things that might seem minor it adds a whole nother layer of depth uh to our lore
02:03:12.720um oh we have another thing so uh i think this is worth addressing here too um the wiki page
02:03:24.120on the odin thor verbal debate says uh some think that odin was loki which would explain a lot the
02:03:32.620poem yeah talking about the harvard studio and it would that makes it really convenient and i think
02:03:40.380that's why the people that have jumped to it like aha that makes sense cool let's just go with that
02:03:45.420the thing is it doesn't i don't think that that fits with the rest of our body of war
02:03:56.300um odin is attested with one of his his haiti as you know as harmark um
02:04:04.940this kind of thing with these kind of jabs isn't
02:04:12.460askew the idea with him being a ferryman um i think speaks a lot to odin and his um
02:04:26.300kind of psychopop functions that sometimes are attributed i think it fits really well
02:04:36.480by everybody that it's owed but there's a small school and i think um vic bidberg thought this
02:04:48.740or you know i don't know if he was the guy with the idea originally or if he was just a supporter
02:04:53.300of the idea with the idea that it might be loki and it's tempting a lot of the time when we look
02:04:59.460at any of these things in microcosm to um okay so calling it back it's fair that we often have to
02:05:13.460try to make sense of things and sometimes that means um you know noticing something that might
02:05:21.140be an error you may hear uh spawner i point out something that seems to be erroneous uh somewhere
02:05:28.900either a translation or in something we think that you know got confused um
02:05:36.020spawn was talking about that a little bit earlier with with vali um so i i get that there's a need
02:05:43.140to do that sometimes but it becomes really convenient to cut a corner or to man this
02:05:50.020would make a lot more sense if it was this way yeah that's probably how it should have been
02:05:55.380it's very tempting when we don't know something or when something seems confusing to
02:06:01.300do that i think that's kind of a last resort thing rather than a first resort thing because
02:06:06.420i think when you find when you do it and then you spread that understanding over the
02:06:12.980the the greater body of our lord you see how it doesn't work or you see how
02:06:19.780it'd be cool or it would make more sense in that one instance but it doesn't make sense
02:06:25.220overall um swan do you have more to add to that i think what you said is extremely wise like
02:06:33.420when it is the first resort to do these things it borders on heretical impiety
02:06:40.940um to place the gods or to discount the gods um simply because there's uncomfortable content is
02:06:49.020very i don't know millennial in a way um it's like it and it it sucks um but again the austral
02:06:58.120folk assembly that gets blamed and harangued for things we are being the adults in the room
02:07:03.340whereas i find that other uh people who are claiming to be more scholarly or doing these
02:07:09.540things, they'll twist, they'll remove. The story of Tyr is because the name just means God, he's
02:07:18.940not actually even there, or it's just Loki. And then it really starts to mudslide fast
02:07:25.220without ever just opening oneself up to the observations and saying, yes, the directionality,
02:07:34.960The humanization or euhemorization of our gods in the poetry at that late stage at that time and involved very realistic concepts of the time that we don't necessarily follow today does not mean that the god that is is not the god but the bad guy because he needs to be.
02:07:55.900And we talk about in that very poem, nobody ever brings up that there is, I think, a very interesting point of this kind of cross-pollination between the Eastern Germanic tribes and the Slavs into the Nordic poetry.
02:08:12.680because there is also a story in another Aryan branch of the Slavs in which the striker
02:08:21.120fights Velez, his brother, who is a magician with obscured eyes and speaks the songs of the animals
02:08:30.940and speaks to the dead. And he fights his brother to release the reins. And obviously,
02:08:40.720i'm not saying one correlates to each other one for one again i see those people trying to do that
02:08:47.840trying to make all of the heads of every tripartite in every branch of the aryan religion
02:08:54.880match and i think that's folly it's part of their inclination to immediately try to push the gods
02:09:02.480into boxes for their own agenda but they're instead they're not looking at the nature and
02:09:11.040contemplating it and taking those things into consideration and taking the time to explain
02:09:17.920to the folk hey let's consider directionality let's consider how this story does is very similar to
02:09:26.080this story which shows that correlation of aryan branches and how very similar these kind of mythos
02:09:33.120cycles of the gods are but these people maybe perceive the gods this way because these things
02:09:39.920were important to them that's why i talk about the thrones of the tripartite and we see the the
02:09:46.240thrones in the guild beginning is it's a it's a literary term for filling the seat um of the of
02:09:54.800the arian branch um but that the gods themselves have agency and that they do things but sometimes
02:10:02.480they are drawn down into the mortal realm very viscerally and very historically uh connected
02:10:11.120to where it would not raise eyebrows then but it would certainly raise eyebrows now so we don't
02:10:17.760get to just change the gods because of that i also think that
02:10:26.000as i was saying earlier it's it's only natural to try to make sense of things
02:10:32.400and if things you know seem jumbled or something doesn't seem right or something seems like
02:10:38.720it would make more sense in a different way i get that i get and i also get
02:10:47.760most of us have an aversion to something being incomplete spawn talked earlier about
02:10:56.880pointing out how much we don't know how much lore is missing
02:11:00.880there when you are consuming religious material as a person of faith it's very important that
02:11:16.180you're very honest about what you know and what you don't know and that you're
02:11:26.340reconciled to the fact that there are going to be parts that are missing
02:11:30.340there's going to be things that you don't know
02:11:34.500if you're making assumptions to fill those spaces sometimes that's necessary
02:11:41.380but acknowledge that that's what you're doing and hope that it's correct
02:11:46.180When something doesn't make sense, explore the mystery of why it might not make sense.
02:11:54.360Something that has been a fallacy that plagues us is that translations and writing about our Lord doesn't come from Ausitur.
02:12:11.440It comes from scholars who are either Christian or who are atheists.
02:12:18.740And so they don't treat, they often do not treat our gods as gods.
02:12:27.800They treat them as, you know, literary characters.
02:12:32.720And if you're reading a story, it is a lot more acceptable for you to cut corners
02:12:38.620or for you to force things that don't fit
02:12:43.640to make the story work or for you to...
02:12:59.160and had a complex and enduring religion
02:13:03.020around those beliefs and those understandings.
02:13:06.960so it makes it far less acceptable to ah this would make more sense if it's this way let's tell
02:13:13.420it this way um and i mean i think it's you see with movies when they do you know historical
02:13:21.820movies it's very easy to recast history how you wish it was or and once you take the first step
02:13:30.200on it then you get stuff like braveheart that used to be a movie i really enjoyed until i knew
02:13:34.600history around it and then it's like completely a fabrication and misplacing of all of the things
02:13:45.080it's different if it's you know it's important if it's real people in real history it's even
02:13:49.400more important if these are real gods and the gods of your folk so the honesty of knowing that
02:13:55.560sometimes we just don't know the clean answer and sometimes there's chunks more that are missing
02:13:59.560that might provide the connectivity that's got to be you know okay or at least okay until we're
02:14:08.120able to learn more and discover more so i know that's uncomfortable and there's always kind of
02:14:12.360this tendency to like to to break off pieces or to like fudge with stuff to make it make sense
02:14:24.360and we've got to kind of be be very judicious in any of those efforts that we might make
02:14:33.080right oh i did want to make one mention about the uh the arvendil question from before i was
02:14:40.040trying to rack my brain and i i do believe that it um is the star uh is it it's rigel or rigel
02:14:51.720um it is the toe or the end piece of the constellation orion um as it's a a blue giant
02:15:01.800um star that i believe is most likely arvindil's toe um just like thiazzi's eyes are castor and
02:15:13.160pollux um i just wanted to state that because i was trying to like as i was talking i was trying
02:15:19.640to like dig in the filing cabinet in the it looked like you were trying to be mysterious
02:15:25.080no i know you were like you had some hidden wisdom that i don't know yes i think i think
02:15:31.480that's often mistaken they need to go behind a paint wall or something to get it
02:15:38.680no in reality i'm back there like ripping files apart going join us after this your own sponsor
02:15:44.200patreon um that would be great no no worries so um it's fine when you recover yourself
02:15:57.800if you would like to take them through about the vulva garola absolutely and and again the the
02:16:05.720orendel or arvindel question is in correlation to groa um and i think that's why this the question
02:16:15.160absolutely came up um and i didn't mention that as well um let me uh go to the page
02:16:22.520okay so again we're in this heavy heavy um sections and this is talking about the uh volva
02:16:31.240grova and uh the stories in relation to uh lord thor and and and as um i believe it was it morris
02:16:42.840taylor who brought it up the the question yes um and these kind of the the way you're connecting
02:16:49.080them to cosmological or cosmic things i think is really important it is that directionality
02:16:56.520we go it's the big the power of the gods is not you know it's it's uh feebly attempted to bring
02:17:05.080brought down into mortal frame um but yet at the same time it's humorous and relatable
02:17:11.560through the human frame um and in this case we see it with um grova and arvindel so 25 about
02:17:22.440the vulva groa thor went home to through the vanger or the the the uh plane the of strength the the
02:17:35.080acreage of the land of strength and the hone remained sticking out of his head
02:17:43.080Then came the wise woman who was called Groa. She was the wife of Arvandil, the Valiant. She sang her spells over Thor until the hone was loosened.
02:17:57.920So from the battle and the section before when he fights Hrongnir, the ruffian, the brawler, and when he shatters his honing stone, a piece goes into his skull.
02:18:11.740There is accounts of posts having nails or stones and flint stones wedged in above the effigies of Lord Thor.
02:18:23.720um i think that's really cool i i kind of want to do a a god poll at thor soft with that um
02:18:31.660it's just kind of a the the paying homage to that or homage to it but um so in this case we are
02:18:39.900noticing some other interesting things is uh one it's not stated exactly why groa is called but
02:18:47.380she she is speaking spells over and she's drawing out the the source of pain um which is the the
02:18:59.760the flint stone and honing stone in the uh head of lord thor and so it does kind of give us a little
02:19:07.160uh glimpse and then there's also a word that's going to be used here very shortly that i
02:19:12.440absolutely love and we'll go on about but um so uh she sang her spells over thor until the hone
02:19:21.800began to loosen but then thor knew uh but when thor knew that and thought that there was a hope
02:19:29.880that the hone might be removed he desired to reward groa for her leech craft
02:19:36.120um again leech i've spoken about it as like the worm is not named or is not leech leech is uh
02:19:46.620referenced to life and to the leak or the lich the body and uh leak the actual uh onion and the
02:19:58.540garlic which one of the rivers in heaven in in the grimness mouth is called garlic river
02:20:04.980is because it's deep connections to leechcraft to healing to healing magics and um remedies of
02:20:15.020the body and so she is speaking her spells and what happens next is it just seems kind of
02:20:26.380contradictory but you'll see it it is this antagonistic relationship between the two forces
02:20:34.060um so uh with he reward groa for her leech craft and make her glad and told her these things that
02:20:45.860he had waded out waded out from the north over the icy stream and had borne arvindel in a basket
02:20:55.520on his back from the north out of jotunheim and he added for a token that one of arvindel's toes
02:21:03.160had become stuck out of the basket upon which he was carrying him in.
02:21:07.960Wherefore, Thor then snapped it off and cast it into the heavens to make it a star eternal
02:21:14.440in commemoration of him, and it is now known as Arvindel's Toe. Thor said that it would not be
02:21:23.460long ere Arvindel came home, though, but Groa was so rejoiced that she'd forgotten her incantations
02:21:30.580and the hone was not loosened and stands yet in Thor's head. Therefore, it is forbidden to cast
02:21:38.260a honing stone across the floor, for then the hone is stirred in Thor's head. That's a
02:21:45.960like a little slice of folklore, an easter egg right there. So, and then it says,
02:21:53.760uh theodolfer of finn has made a song a poem uh after this tale in haust long in the um autumnal
02:22:05.360songs or the autumnal poems um but to go back we get this slice he he tells her
02:22:14.240almost uh in a very simplistic way he says you know your husband will be home soon
02:22:19.520And I have immortalized him by placing his toe in the heavenly realm as the star.
02:22:26.920And she gets so overjoyed that she stops her spell and incantation and sinks the stone back into his head or it kind of re-gravitates into his head.
02:22:40.060And so now it is forbidden to throw a whetstone across the floor because it would stir the stone that is in Thor's head, in essence, creating a storm.
02:22:53.400um and we were talking about this last night during the lore class was um the participational
02:22:59.560level of scandinavian storytelling is very visceral during yule the children are taught
02:23:08.680you know if you're a good kid grilla the flesh-eating troll witch that lives in the mountains
02:23:14.360has to eat nails and will in essence die from her lack of having bad kids
02:23:21.320And so it's very participational, you know, cutting the fingernails of the dead so that the boat Nailfari cannot sail from Naustrand and take the, you know, the oath breakers and the kinslayers from the beach there to assault the gods.
02:23:44.060And every time a cobbler cuts a piece of leather from the shoe, sole leather, he, you know, is to gift it to Vidar because one day he will use that thick sole to step into the mouth of the wolf and rip chaos asunder in vertical axes, by the way.
02:24:03.300And that it's participational acts of piety.
02:24:11.620It's giving forth faith through action and through cultural cohesion.
02:24:51.980You don't throw a whetstone in a house.
02:24:55.460And if it skids across the floor, that will hearken the coming of a storm.
02:25:00.220And I just find that really interesting.
02:25:03.300And very, very beautiful. But at the same time, a honing stone, honing stones were so important to our folk only up until, you know, recently with the idea, you know, you always had a blade.
02:25:20.300um you look back at old war uh photos and they're carrying knives um and even in the 50s and 60s
02:25:28.800you had you know the sharpeners that would come by and and they're still around now and there's
02:25:33.860kind of a renaissance of the art of it but um it was so important to our ancestors for all things
02:25:40.940from scythe blades to sword blades and we just see this kind of little nod in that direction and
02:25:47.740And it goes on into a song by, or a poem by Theod Ulver, which means, his name, it's a cool name, Theod means people, Ulver is wolf, so he is of the people of the wolf.
02:26:04.460um and you know there's loose theories on who that they might be the wolflings in um
02:26:14.220in beowulf who are ousted out of zealand by the danes and those wolflings uh you know go abroad
02:26:22.680and return and and are those the same as the uh the herover or the herald peoples uh the wolf
02:26:30.880people you know there's a big rabbit hole to go down on that one anyways so he says uh on the high
02:26:39.280and painted surface of the hollow shield still further one may see how the giant's terror
02:26:46.080sought the home of groton the angry son of yord drove to play of steel below him
02:26:54.160thundered the moonway rage swelled in the heart of miley's brother
02:27:01.440so uh this is immediately going back to the fight between um prongnir and lord thor
02:27:10.160and there's a couple things that are said um of course the giant's terror is his doom
02:27:16.000prongnir's doom or it could also reference that he is a terror of the giants um and at
02:27:22.480the quarry they meet and they're um the uh the son of the earth the lord the lord thor the son
02:27:31.840of heaven and earth he he drives forward to play of steel to to duel and you know he thunders the
02:27:39.520moon way um coming kind of over the sky rage swelling in his heart as he is miley's brother
02:27:50.480now maili and her mother are uh listed as odin's sons but there's not much that is uh of mention
02:28:02.240of them and when we talk about sometimes um i i don't know and i'm not pushing in boxes but um
02:28:12.160Obviously, Hermoder has much more of a cosmological and divine presence, whereas Meili seems to be more, it's almost referencing to a mortal king, but I'm not going to make that call.
02:28:33.160again being the adult in the room being pious towards the gods and not being some academic
02:28:38.920basement wizard you know it's just something i i lay out there for people to consider um but he is
02:28:46.280meili's brother and that is of course an alliterative kenning and hype for thor so he's
02:28:53.660flying over the over the sky he's rage is welling in his heart he's got mjolnir uh going and there
02:29:01.460stands Frongnir with his honing stone on the shield that he's on a base of stone and they're
02:29:08.760about to clash all the bright gods high mansions burned before Ullr's kinsmen a reference again
02:29:17.900to the gods but specifically with the emphasis of Ullr who had a large cult in Scandinavia
02:29:26.020uh with hail the earth was beaten along his course then came the he goats drew the god of
02:29:36.180the smooth wane forward so now we see there are events uh the hail is hitting the sky is is is
02:29:46.700thundering is it there's uh more going on here than simply just like a duel between two personages
02:29:53.660um and the god of the smooth wane um and i find that super interesting considering that chariots
02:30:03.220at this time were had kind of fallen they were of they're an example of when we draw the gods
02:30:10.980in elder visage wearing historically accurate clothing of say like the 8th to the 12th century
02:30:21.140and um this is very much the same thing the chariot the wane now it does kind of turn into
02:30:29.200more of a wagon later on but he is the called the smooth wane it's the the it's the coasting wagon
02:30:38.860that he's he is riding on he's a a nimble driver of the wagon wane or the the uh chariot and he
02:30:49.220meets forth the grisly giant. The earth, the spouse of Odin, straightaway reft asunder.
02:30:59.840No truce made Baldr's brother with the biter foe of the earth folk. Rocks shook and crags were
02:31:07.360shivered. The shining upper heaven burned. I saw the giant of the boat sailed sea reef waver and
02:31:16.020give way fast before him seeing his warlike slayer swiftly the shining shield rim shot neath the
02:31:25.780cliff ward's shoe souls that was the wise god's mandate the war valkyria willed it the champion
02:31:35.620of the wasteland not long thereafter waited for the speedy blow delivered by the friend of the
02:31:42.980snout trolls crusher uh that series of of verses is just chock full of kennings of lord thor and how
02:31:56.580when you know the rumbling as he goes forward and strikes wrong near and the shield slips out
02:32:03.060from underneath him and um uh the the death blow is delivered um by the friend of the snout trolls
02:32:15.300crusher um and again this i i've spoken about how trolls are kind of correlative to the modern
02:32:23.620concept of of a demon or a monster um as a title um you know a monster can be applied to
02:32:31.540the mythological monster or a person troll is very much kind of the same way and um
02:32:39.620mjolnir is the snout troll or the the the troll crusher um but i just find that interesting that
02:32:50.180nomenclature um he would he who of breath despoileth belly's baleful hirelings
02:33:00.820felled on the shield rim circled belly is a jotin who is slain by lord frere so the kenning for the
02:33:11.020jotins is belly's baleful hirelings it is the kinfolk of the jotnar is who's being referred
02:33:19.900um he is felled on the shield rim circle the fiend of the roaring mountain the monster of
02:33:28.620the glenfield before the mighty hammer sank when the hill danes breaker struck down the hideous
02:33:37.400caitiff then the hone hard broken hurled by the ogress lover again a reference to
02:33:47.460krongnir being the the lover of ogresses another great translation just in relation to
02:33:54.640um how yotnar you know i've spoken about its ancientness but there are other words and they
02:34:02.320kind of bring down into more the visceral opponentage of the troll the monster the ogress
02:34:09.380the it's kind of like even just how the word orc became uh its own mythological like movement of
02:34:18.740uh an opponent it's the same with many of these titles here so um hurled by the ogress lover
02:34:28.300word into the brain ridge of the earth's sun so the hone honing stone goes into the brain ridge
02:34:36.880of the earth's sun that the wetter of steels sticking unloosened in the skull of odin's
02:34:44.340offspring, stood there all besprinkled in blood with iron, or besprinkled with Einreidi's blood.
02:34:54.460Einreidi is Thor. So stood there, all covered in his blood. Einreidi is a haiti for Thor.
02:35:03.840Whenever you see Ridi, R-I-D-I, you'll see like Hlo Ridi or Ein Ridi. Ridi means to ride. So he is, in this case, this kenning, he's called the Lone Rider.
02:35:19.600he is on his chariot by himself riding forth to fight he goes out onto the edges and keeps
02:35:28.140the the jotuns at bay he uh the jotuns forces as they build in our world creating these
02:35:35.680pools of negative and positive and then he cuts through them to return everything back to balance
02:35:42.360um he is the lone rider hlory there means loud rider but anytime you see anything with like r-i-d-i-r
02:35:52.100and it um in any correlation around lord thor that's what it's referring to is he is the
02:35:57.900on the move he is part of the uh the um rido rune in an essence the wane the moving the
02:36:08.120the attainment of action and uh maintainer of of stability while moving he is the unmoving mover
02:36:18.840or the uh facilitator of uh stability through movement um kind of beautiful uh mythological
02:36:28.280paradigms there um so there stood there all besprinkled with einradi's blood the honing stone
02:36:36.680until the wise ale goddess not saying that she is a goddess is the ale goddess is um like a
02:36:47.080a brewer of potions a brewer goddess a in essence like a a witch or um a uh
02:36:58.680uh a cauldron like say if you were to call her a a cauldron goddess it's very similar in that
02:37:05.080same poetic sense he calls the wise ale goddess and with wondrous lays lays poems songs enchanted
02:37:15.320the vaunted woe rust ruddy from the wain god's sloping temples painted on its circuit i see
02:37:24.760them clearly pictured the fair bossed shield with stories figured i had from thor lever
02:37:34.360so i i gotta say thorolfer i mean theodolfer is one hell of a poet he is
02:37:43.800just dropping nukes during this entire stanza um and he's doing it yeah but where is it
02:37:52.280in the translation like there's this whole big translated piece and when you look on the side
02:37:59.560none of it's in the original text so i'm kind of curious yeah so uh you know i'm looking at it over
02:38:06.600here where it says uh you know looking over here um
02:38:26.120that is in direct reference to Groa but you're right this uh old norse text it is not matching
02:38:36.600Well, so that's because it doesn't include any of the poem.
02:49:06.180I think, you know, people's view on religion or conceptualizing as this or thinking of it as that or trying to find, I think all of that is an attempt to find a medium to communicate through when the language of religion isn't what you're used to.
02:49:28.560And I think that we all do that in different ways.
02:49:31.000people will liken it to something else some people will liken it to a tv show some people
02:49:39.080will liken it to philosophy some people liken it to their family relationships
02:49:46.280i don't think that finding connectivity is wrong but i think what is really important
02:54:50.140was to treat it as the living faith that it is.
02:54:54.800So, so much time is spent painstakingly trying to learn from our ancestors
02:55:05.720that sometimes we inadvertently take it from learning to trying to imitate our ancestors.
02:55:15.100and we focus on conceptualizing how vikings did religion instead of practicing religion
02:55:24.700and hearing now so experience has a great deal to do with it part of that experience is
02:55:31.820our gods are real they exist and they are capable of producing miracles in our life and in our time
02:55:39.080they're few and far between and they may not appear as you know grandiose as you have in your head
02:55:46.920but we are capable of receiving um insight and wisdom revelation from the gods
02:55:54.200i think that when people claim that it's a very bold claim and it takes a lot of
02:56:01.920you know um i don't skepticism doesn't have the right ring to it but a very judicious critical
02:56:12.000eye to determine what things we believe and what things we don't considering the source
02:56:19.680considering how it's presented but our gods exist and they reveal themselves to us more and more
02:56:28.940And I think over the course of generations, new lore, new understanding, new stories can be gifted to us or pieced together as bits and pieces are gifted to us.