Episode 2879： Marc Andreessen Pushes For AI Weapons; The Day War Comes To America
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Stephan K Ban joins me to talk about the NATO Summit, the current situation in Ukraine, and the situation in the Middle East. We also discuss the recent events in Ukraine and the potential for a major escalation in the conflict.
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have
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had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do
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people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these
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people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to
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save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann
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how does he continue this type of momentum in terms of um not just the optics but a real
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kind of generating a sense of of having complete control over the situation what's different at
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the NATO summit nothing's different and that's the thing i mean i will say this make a following up on
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what you said a couple of days ago that get uh that uh it got you in red on the drudge report
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which is pretty big when they give you the red headline uh they do have the scheduling better
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they they do have the scheduling better uh and i thought it was important for them to say hey you
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know what he's been going night and day we're going to let him take off for the dinner of course plan
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that ahead next time uh but but little things like that make a big difference but look at this
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joe joe joe joe for any look at this everything here is tightly produced it's beautiful yeah right
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and he get everything here allows these world leaders to do what they do and there's no concern
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about the small things and i would suggest that what i said that i guess put me in the red
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is taken seriously when he comes back home because this president is good at what he does
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and these i've always told people no i just always told people that he's the president's very sharp uh
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he if if uh you you say something or write something there have been times he's called
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uh and uh he's refuted it uh very sharply he's uh i've talked to foreign leaders that have had
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conversations with him that said that he was on top of every issue and to the degree that they were
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actually some some some nato leaders have told me they were very surprised the contrast between the
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image in the public and the joe biden behind closed doors uh because he is so sharp and he's on top of
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everything so much of it has to do with presentation yeah i i thought i was going to be able to in in
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planning for the shot i thought i was gonna be able to sit through this and we got the nda piece but i
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can't take anymore um they are going out of the way this guy has got a low approval rating
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everything he touches turns into complete fiasco and uh i mean the lackeys over at uh at morning
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joe and he goes this is a big news flash for the morning joe thing you know he's got the red at
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drudge that's still really important no it's not important nobody goes there years ago drudge used
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to change narratives and used to drive narratives that doesn't happen anymore i don't know if matt
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drudge is still there now it's all kind of rumors all i know is the site is uh quite fleet average as
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we say in the navy ben harnwell there was a lot of activity uh you've been so right on what's
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happening in this war i really you posobic and boris since the very beginning of this conflict
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have been the three people that have been ahead of the curve here and really explaining
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to uh to our audience i think uniquely what's happening over here of course yesterday the inactive
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reserves called up part of this is a is you can see the recruiting problem of the wokeness is coming
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back to bite us but this is also a forerunner of i think dangerous times ahead in combat troops
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ahead of us obviously this deal was cut in lithuania was it not uh ben harnwell to biden have come back
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in action so quickly sir good evening steve well yeah i mean it's it's uh the first point to make
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about this and just to quickly give the background and the pentagon announced yesterday that up to
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3 000 reservists uh are going to be called up can be called up to be sent over um to assist in the
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effort um there were a number of points to make in the first point i have to make is to to give full
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um full credit here to the statement that donald trump put out um a couple of hours ago um where he
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makes the point i don't know if den was able to to put that up as i'm talking but he makes the absolute
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point here the reason that uh biden has been forced to this maneuver is because of the the general
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depletion of u.s resources thus far um executed over the last year and a half which is absolutely true
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um the other point to make is that obviously that this is a massive escalation steve even if
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if uh if a war hasn't formally been declared that's the reality and the idea now um that even
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reservists are going to be called up to be sent over there just shows you how desperate the
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administration is there are um a couple of points i would like to make it because it's known that
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there are about 80 000 u.s troops over over in continental europe right now but i think some
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precision is finally um the white house needs to provide some some precision if this is the stage
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that we're now at and there are some certain questions for example how many troops are presently
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in ukraine right of the 80 000 europe how many are in ukraine are any of them in um active combat
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situations uh some people are suggesting that it's difficult to know how many u.s troops will be
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out there um because they won't be wearing um their uniform other analysts are saying quite reasonably
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that only americans but but but hang on hang on we we were going to have lauren bobert was going to
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come in with you and talk about things because of votes and other things are happening we can't get
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congressman bobert on today and by the way the six o'clock show is loaded we get and we moved a lot
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of things around to accommodate congressman bobert but it often happens during the work day
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they get tied with votes and other these meetings and there's a firestorm over there right now
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ben and i just want to make for our audience and this is one of the problems i have and have said
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from day one yesterday on this national defense and we've got a cold open for the national defense
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authorization i may call for it a second on the national defense authorization act there were a
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number of amendments put up to try to get the woke part out of it uh and some of these failed and and
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at the forefront of this on the ukraine side not the woke part on the ukraine side was matt gates once
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again matt gates taking the lead uh and uh you know matt gates put a limitation in no money to go over
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there for their security voted down i think he got 70 votes against 300 votes or 350 votes against
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one of the congressmen put up a an amendment to the nda which is essentially a trillion dollar defense
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budget and supposed to be policy also ben the he put up a request not to have a war powers resolution
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which we are demanding here at the war room he put up just a part of this trillion dollar budget
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can the biden administration with plenty of time can they just come back and give us a strategic report
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a report on what the strategy is and and ben it would call for a number of things you just basics
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do we have troops there how many troops there do we have paramilitary there how much money have we
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really spent our audits underway uh you said the other day we're sending cluster bombs which you
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weren't said we're war crimes because we're out of ammo the brits are out of ammo our allies are
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out of ammo can we just have a basic strategic report something simple just so we can put it all
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in one thing and not have to look at msnbc and fox or read the new york times it got 129 votes ben
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200 and some votes three almost 300 votes against it 129 votes even to make sure this thing is so
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out of control we have no earthy idea on we don't have an iota mtg recalled for the audits that's not
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been sloughed aside two weeks ago ben you were on here on the day they found the second accounting
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problem for five billion dollars right we are headed into they just called the inactive reserve
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remember these are inactive reserves when you're in the military and you get and you get out you do
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your basic your five years of your you do your five years you can either stay as a reserve and you know
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and and do your weekend training and go for a couple weeks in the summer and everything like that or you
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can just go inactive the guys that go inactive say hey listen i took my time i basically wash my hands
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that i go on to my into my civilian life it's the inactive reserves are calling up this is quite
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extraordinary because of the need to manpower so ben when you sit there continue on but i'm saying
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our congress republican controlled house let me repeat this a republican controlled house
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matt gates and a handful of warriors eli crane lauren boebert rosendahl the typical names we talk
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about all the time kind of came forward and tried to have force even a conversation and a debate
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on the ukraine and the woken weaponized got a little traction ukraine basically shut down 70 votes to
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not send any money and only 129 votes i think to actually make biden come to the to the to the table
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strategy and if we don't force him now to come forward with a war powers resolution we are asking for
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we are asking to be drawn into this kinetic uh the kinetic part of this conflict not just uh
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arming them and sending boatloads of unaccountable cash ben harnwell well you you mentioned the war
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powers resolution um a lot of people think that that in itself is unconstitutional which will rent the
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1973 um act a lot of people suggest that that itself is unconstitutional because it gives limited
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power to the to a president to um to act uh to sort of to act in in a war-like fashion without have
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without obtaining from congress a declaration of war um now given the current composition of the
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supreme court now might be the best time to get that uh to get that clarified hold it i but hang on i want
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you i want you to go back and take your time and do that again because i know you're more of the
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libertarian bent sometimes this is actually when i keep asking for a war powers act i'm i'm even
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avoiding the question that rand paul and many of our constitutionalists put forward go hey even that's
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unconstitutional because he's got to come to congress to get any of this going i mean think about it for a
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second we're so far away from that we're so post-constitutional ben they didn't even think about
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coming and asking for a declaration of war they're not even coming asking for the maybe
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unconstitutional big question up in the air war powers act which i think has to be tested at the
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supreme court to find out whether it is not we're just asking for a strategic report just hey we're
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gonna since you're gonna get all this money approved how about a little something for the effort that
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only gets 129 votes sir yeah um well you know the times are a bit different from from the vietnam war
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right um we're in a because we have social media now we we have direct communication we have
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iphones that we can record things where when like i i don't want to be too controversial but let me just
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say when the united states allowed itself to be guided in to the entrance into the vietnam war by the
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gulf of uh tonkin wasn't it when the u.s ship was hit um and that's something that we need to be
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watching out for now right uh a similar instance definitely um but when that happened you know
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americans trusted their their news anchors they trusted their the the broadsheets they trusted the
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media people don't trust any of this anymore um so i think it would be more difficult for i hope it
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would be more difficult for for the u.s to reproduce a vietnam vietnam like scenario um in ukraine but that
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is certainly the moves if you look at the moves this is what's doing and here here's another
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point when i say it's different what should happen is that i do you know i do think that you know i'm
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not a constitutional expert but it does seem to me that the constitution is pretty clear in giving the
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the the power the authority to declare war uniquely and exclusively to uh the congress that sort of makes
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it that makes it inalienable that it is to say that congress can't delegate that power to any other
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body including the president even if congress wanted to without changing the constitution the
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constitution hasn't been changed therefore i would suggest that the war um the war powers resolution um
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is is in in of itself unconstitutional as i said now would be the right time i think uniquely the right
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time to get this um to get this tested by the supreme court but one of the fundamental differences
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between now please go ahead go ahead no you go ahead the fundamental differences between now
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and 50 years ago is there's i think a far more direct interaction on behalf you know things like
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the war room and other and other news organizations there's a far more engaged interactive um mediation
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between events between specific congressmen and senators and the american public what we need what we
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should do now and as you point out correctly notionally that the house is currently being
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controlled by the republicans is that we should force every single republican to come in and obviously i
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think mccarthy you know he this is the uniparty in in its um in its glory but make them vote
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yes hang on for one second ben i'm gonna hold you through ben harnwell from rome fire fight
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over the national defense authorization act a complete total debacle total and complete
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ben here's a question for you for this audience was this deal were there secret deals and secret
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arrangements i mean why did biden come back and immediately call up 3 000 active uh reserve
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and to support this ukraine war effort were there deals secret deals cut in lithuania that we don't
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know about i think this is the the immediate manifestation of such deals um i think i suggest
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the reason was political steve as the whole of of biden's um behavior um and impulses has been since the
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beginning of the war he needed to some degree regain an initiative and to show strength you know he he
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has to give uh he has to give the appropriate material to morning mika um and one of the ways of doing
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that having so um publicly resisted the entrance of um ukraine into nato i think this was his way of
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saying you know that he's not totally senile and in la la land and he's still you know a a moral uh
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leadership force on the world stage and that and that's why he announced that that would be
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my speculation it's a sort of quid pro quo for the um for the for the lack of um timetable um or
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invitation to ukraine let me ask you the most danger i argue now that we're in the most dangerous time of
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this conflict because and correct me if i'm wrong you covered it i asked you the other day they
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didn't really have any presentations on the summer offensive or counter offensive and if it had been
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going even a scintilla of good that's all you would have heard zelinski's this war here in fact his
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isolation looked to me like politicians trying to i don't want really getting the photo with this guy
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because he could end up being president dm pretty quickly or removed or we find some big scandal
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or because he's not going to make it to a failed uh offensive that's also why he threw such a big
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temper tantrum i need i need to get in nato now right i don't need to don't wait for the results of
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this how dangerous the time it has is it right now we're supplying them uh cluster bombs that looks
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like another major arms escalation this offensive they're going to get more and more desperate as this
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offensive is not getting traction what what's your and i'm not asking to speculate but what's your
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feel over the next couple of months of how you see this thing playing out well i will absolutely
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speculate steve because as far as i can see biden resident biden has spent the last uh 18 months
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wrapping a very dangerous situation in touch paper and now he's pouring petrol all over it this is the
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point once you've got sort of you know troops are over there explicitly you know this is why it's
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so dangerous because for russia the territory of an integrity of ukraine which is a buffer state um
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is a matter of existential importance for russia and for its internal security it's not for nato
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and it's not for the united states what it is become what it has become is an issue of existential
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importance for the the future career of of of president of resident joe biden now put to one
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side the fact that is he going to run again will he be kicked out you know are are we already seeing
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the maneuvers of um of the democratic party mainstream media complex in the process of throwing
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him under the bus um and i think that's absolutely that is absolutely whilst he is still president
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this or while he's still occupying the white house um this issue is of existential importance to his
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credibility and everything he's saying is underlining that fact and that's his starting point and that's
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his finishing point this is why the situation is so desperate right now because all it will take will
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be a false flag situation um and then of course the military industrial complex will will will
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will move up to maximum level and then you know it's prayer time for ben hey ben hang on for one
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second uh i don't have time to play the cold open on the nda but i want to get back to this
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in this tie so much to our our economic well-being about how we get this economy back on track and
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particularly how we stop this um mania we have for spending money that we don't actually have just
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creating it and burying us deeper and deeper this is like someone's addicted to shopping
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right and and they can't stop it's a compulsion they can't stop and they keep running up credit cards
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and they keep getting in bankruptcies and having to get 10 or 15 credit cards and it's just
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it takes over their lives this is where we are in this country as a nation in our finances
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this ndaa and look i'm as big a hawk as is anybody but it's a hawk when you need to be like
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on the chinese communist party the south china sea in taiwan and taking down the ccp this national
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defense authorization act as uh as uh you know ben has said and others have said dave brad said this
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morning has no strategy tied to it whatsoever there's really unencumbered from any strategy
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we're just there and we're getting bigger and we need to be there we need to be everywhere
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this bill is about a trillion dollars not just that it is inculcated the core of it
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is wokeness using the defense which is really the one industrial policy we have as a nation the defense
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policy and all the arms industries around it to use that as a driver of social engineering
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to diversity equity and inclusion and we haven't taken that out they've taken some out but it's it's
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it's woven into the fabric of it and that's why you have these ridiculous woke field officers
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and employees that you know are are having you're actually sitting there saying oh we got to take
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out the money for the drag queen story hour at the base library for the little children
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there's been one person over the last 72 hours to prove once again this is matt gates matt gates has
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done an extraordinary job an incredible job with help of the 20 and the six and some other people up to
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70 and some of these votes but it takes leadership his leadership his debating skills his knowledge
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has been extraordinary your voice would not have been heard it was not for matt gates fighting
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sophisticated fights can we play also we tell me when we're ready i'm playing his grilling of uh
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the other day of ray do we have it okay let's play let's play i want to show you what he did the
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other day with ray just to remind you let's go and see it american people need to understand what just
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happened my call my democrat colleague just asked the director of the fbi whether or not they are
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buying information about our fellow americans and the answer is well we'll just have to get back to
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you on that sounds really complicated but i have other questions i'm sitting here with my father
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i will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability
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to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction i am sitting here waiting for the
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call with my father sounds like a shakedown doesn't it director
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i'm not going to get into commenting on that you you you seem deeply
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uncurious about it don't you almost suspiciously uncurious are you protecting the biden's
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absolutely not the fbi does not you won't answer the question about whether or not that's a shakedown
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and everybody knows why you won't answer it because to ev to the millions of people who will see this
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they know it is and your inability to acknowledge that is deeply revealing about you but let's go from
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the uncurious to the downright nosy how many illegal fisa queries have occurred under your leadership of
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the fbi now only only gates a little bit any biggest mother but gates took the lead gates taking
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the lead ndaa gates took the lead on on uh on uh grilling ray to gain to the bottom of it gates is the
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guy that uh changed the direction of the country with his leadership sole leadership there were others
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too but sole leadership the first week of january so what's matt gates's reward for that what is matt
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gates's reward for being a voice of reason a voice of reason mccarthy and the ethics committee
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are now doing an ethics investigation on something the fbi dropped because there wasn't anything there
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cnn's reporting they're going to go back on all these charges of these allegations and smears that
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came up from the left from leaked from doj and the fbi that turned it that wasn't there they dropped
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them fbi dropping doj thought trust me if there's a scintilla of anything they'd have been all over
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matt gates they weren't so what is mccarthy and this is how what a scumbag mccarthy is
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this is the guy that shut down because he took money from sequoia capital shut down a house
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intelligence investigation with that crook mike turner who's another scumbag who voted not to take
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out the woke and weaponized in the nda today mike turner and people in dayton and maga and dayton
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ought to be humiliated he's your congressman he shut down an investigation into a major national
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security threat of a chinese operative neil shen who works for the politburo the head of sequoia
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capital taking your pension money and funding artificial intelligence weapon systems and joe allen's
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going to be on here and tell you about ai okay they shut that down and mccarthy has authorized look
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the other way why ethics is going to go after matt gates because they want matt gates to shut up they
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want to bring matt gates to heel they don't want matt gates on the ndaa they don't want matt gates uh
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going after ray they don't want matt gates leading the impeachment inquiry into uh into garland they don't
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want him starting a criminal uh referral on chris ray they certainly don't want him with the motion
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a vacation they think they're going to play checkmate on matt gates i got news for mccarthy
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and this audience has news over our dead bodies will you do anything to matt gates matt gates has
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been the one person this entire congress even with the heroic leadership of the six and the 20 and these
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other people have come together to try to stop this madness what mccarthy when you sold out the country
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and i'm telling you brother there's something quite suspicious about your activity you shut down
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investigations you took money from sequoia capital you got ccp companies all over your district
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and now and you're you allowed biden to have two years of 15 trillion dollars plus of spending at
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least four trillion dollars added to our debt you you you and now you're going to come after matt
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gates with some phony made-up charges that even a justice department that hates him and an fbi that hates
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him even more dropped this is the way the town plays right this is this is the way the cartel rolls
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well you're not taking matt gates off the board okay because matt gates is an american patriot and matt
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gates is an american hero he's the only voice up there that consistently on so many topics as i say in sports
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okay i'll have more to say about uh gauge tomorrow at um at turning point and then again on monday or if
00:30:05.980
we drill down on this because this is uh very important they're trying to take out your leaders
00:30:11.740
uh ben i know you gotta bounce i appreciate you staying up this late where do people get and we'll
00:30:15.580
get in more to it on on monday and next week because there's a lot going on here you've done
00:30:20.220
extraordinary coverage of this entire situation also i gotta talk about the rise of the right-wing
00:30:24.060
parties new york times all over it we've got a bunch of analysis we'll get to that next week too
00:30:28.460
how do people get to you ben over the weekend thank you so much steve uh my social media platform of
00:30:34.300
choice is getter and folks can find me there simply by typing in my surname harnwell at harnwell and
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also by registering for our exclusive uh newsletters which i will try which i write as well as uh joe allen
00:30:49.260
um for war room.org just you asked you asked a rhetorical question what reward will there be for
00:30:55.020
matt gates earlier i want to say uh just before i before i jump that i think he'll be speaker one day
00:31:01.100
uh and the reason i think he's going to be speaker is because the uni party knows that it's time is
00:31:07.020
coming to an end it knows it's lost people's support and just just look at what they did um
00:31:14.140
what they announced a couple a couple days ago uh little marco rubio and tim kane are presenting
00:31:20.300
um a bill to stop a future president i.e donald trump uh from taking america out of nato they know
00:31:28.220
that it's moving beyond their grasp uh so i think that uh matt gates obviously won't see it as a
00:31:33.820
reward but i i i think things are changing um very quickly um and that um that is the way things will
00:31:41.660
go i think the day that uni party hacks like kevin mccarthy will be able to sit there and manipulate
00:31:48.220
things while pretending to do exactly the opposite those days are coming to a close steve
00:31:52.700
i 100 agree with you ben harnwell quite astute observation thank you ben thank you for staying
00:32:00.380
up and being with us appreciate it god bless ben harnwell from rome um i've got a cold open i want
00:32:07.500
to make sure everybody that the durban this whole ndaa one of the reasons not just the woke it's the
00:32:13.580
scale of it another trillion dollars right that only leads to more trouble um and i'm all for a strong
00:32:19.820
national offense trust me and a great navy but this is not getting you that it's not if i thought
00:32:24.940
it was i would support it i don't support it because it's not getting us there make sure you
00:32:29.660
go to birchgold.com slash bannon get the summary of the end of the dollar empire you need it as a
00:32:35.100
quick study because everything is happening in durban on monday i'm carving out time for day bratt
00:32:40.380
we're going to go through the counter argument of krugman and the new york times crowd that says hey
00:32:44.620
the de-dollarization is not as bad as you think and although these guys are meeting in uh durban
00:32:49.820
and they're coming up with the alternative currency and that currency is going to have some sort of
00:32:53.100
gold backing it's nothing to worry about well we beg to differ and we're going to go through it but
00:32:57.580
get the summary make sure look you got up to speed on the debt ceiling became a force in that that's
00:33:01.820
where this firefight continues uh and you're going to be a bigger force in this issue about this
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alternative currency also you can find out why the central banks are buying gold with both hands in 22 and
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23. uh ed dowd also going to join us he's going to have assessment of the economy next hour also
00:33:17.980
some brutal news coming out of the uk on uh early deaths okay i've got joe allen he has an amazing
00:33:24.060
cold open let's play joe allen's cold open they're going to bring in joe but i like i would be surprised
00:33:29.340
if we do if we do if there is not digital super intelligence in roughly the five or six year time
00:33:34.540
frame this is all forecasting it's all modeling it's all it's all future prediction it's all future
00:33:39.820
hypothesizing it's not science the policies that are being called for right to prevent this are of
00:33:46.860
extraordinary magnitude and i think we're going to cause extraordinary damage so the moment you say
00:33:50.940
is going to kill all of us therefore we should ban it or that we should uh regulate all that
00:33:55.580
constant that's when it starts getting serious or start you know military airstrikes on data centers
00:33:59.740
oh boy they have a hard time avoiding violence the reason they have a hard time avoiding violence is if
00:34:03.340
you actually believe the claim right then what would you do to stop the end of the world
00:34:09.260
you would do anything right since 2001 i've been working on what we would now call the problem of
00:34:15.260
aligning artificial general intelligence how to shape the preferences and behavior of a powerful
00:34:21.100
artificial mind such that it does not kill everyone nobody understands how modern ai systems do what they
00:34:29.180
do they are giant inscrutable matrices of floating point numbers that we nudge in the direction of better
00:34:34.220
performance until they inexplicably start working at some point the company is rushing headlong to
00:34:39.500
scale ai will cough out something that's smarter than humanity nobody knows how to calculate when
00:34:44.860
that will happen if i had more time i'd try to tell you about the predictable reasons why the current
00:34:49.900
paradigm will not work to build a super intelligence that likes you or is friends with you or that just
00:34:56.060
follows orders my prediction is that this ends up with us facing down something smarter than us that
00:35:02.780
does not want what we want that does not want anything we recognize as valuable or meaningful humanity is not
00:35:09.740
approaching this issue with remotely the level of seriousness that would be required some of the
00:35:14.940
people leading these efforts have spent the last decade not denying that creating a super intelligence
00:35:20.460
intelligence might kill everyone but joking about it my best bad take is that we need an international
00:35:26.300
coalition banning large ai training runs including extreme and extraordinary measures to have that ban be
00:35:33.740
actually and universally effective like tracking all gpu sales monitoring all the data centers being willing to
00:35:41.180
risk a shooting conflict between nations in order to destroy an unmonitored data center in a non-signatory country
00:35:47.420
i say this not expecting that to actually happen i say this expecting that we all just die the more
00:35:56.060
and more you have drones they're becoming more and more autonomous you can start imagining okay what
00:36:01.500
does that actually look like and what's the actual threat of autonomous weapon systems how does it go wrong
00:36:06.380
i think it should be required right so that's no no no i think if you're required that only aerial vehicles
00:36:11.100
are automated okay so you want to go the other way i want to go the other way okay i think it's obvious
00:36:14.700
that the machine is going to make a better decision than the human pilot i think it's obvious that
00:36:18.060
it's in the best interest of both the attacker and the defender and humanity at large if machines are
00:36:21.260
making more of these decisions and not people i think people make terrible decisions in times of
00:36:24.620
war this goes back to the this is that whole thing about like the self-driving does the self-driving
00:36:28.300
car need to be perfect versus does it need to be better than the human driver yeah does the
00:36:31.660
automated drone need to be perfect or does it need to be better than a human pilot at making decisions
00:36:36.460
under enormous amounts of stress and uncertainty you know as a prosthetic um you know so like you've got
00:36:40.700
glasses you've got a wristwatch you know you've got shoes you know you've got these things you've
00:36:44.700
got a personal computer you've got a word processor you've got mathematica you've got google this is
00:36:50.300
the latest view through that lens the ai is the latest in a long series of basically augmentation
00:36:55.340
methods uh to be able to raise human capabilities it's just this one is the most powerful one of all
00:36:59.580
because this is the one that goes directly to what they call fluid intelligence which is iq and i think the
00:37:04.620
first part of this issue that should be articulated is ai is kind of a fancy thing it's first of all
00:37:10.620
it's two letters it means artificial intelligence if this was a a netflix series or something uh i'd say
00:37:17.580
the the the season finale would be a showdown which between the wet the western china and the series finale will
00:37:24.940
be a gi wow uh joe you might have outdone yourself and cold opens quite powerful uh since um elon musk has
00:37:38.860
told us that artificial general general intelligence is five the singularity there is five to six years
00:37:44.780
away at most that makes it on our current time horizon 25 30 40 years 50 years before other people
00:37:51.980
have said it's going to happen walk me through what we just heard in relation to that well steve i i
00:37:59.100
think we try our best to show two different angles uh sometimes that's day to day sometimes at the same
00:38:05.500
day this is the most extreme viewpoint on ai doom that's eliezer yudkowski we've covered him extensively
00:38:13.340
on the other end you have mark andreessen uh very very intelligent uh has been at the forefront
00:38:20.380
of technological development uh since uh you know before i was able to touch a computer so he's not
00:38:26.780
to be discounted by any means but he's on the far end of that techno optimist spectrum and the three
00:38:35.820
key takeaways there uh first the idea of ai doom is it possible to create an artificial intelligence
00:38:44.860
that is so strong that is so powerful that it actually turns on its makers and for either its
00:38:52.300
own goals or just simply because of a glitch starts destroying people the second is that issue of
00:38:59.420
lethal autonomous weapons uh that would be drones that would be even missile systems that would be
00:39:06.780
gun turrets it could be many many different things but an ai that makes the decision to kill or not to
00:39:12.940
kill and the the third and it is really i think uh it sits in the background of all this it goes
00:39:19.340
into everything you and ben harnwell we're talking about and everything you've been talking about uh
00:39:24.940
for a decade plus the looming confrontation with china coupled with the confrontation going on right now
00:39:34.220
with russia so you take all those together you look at this concept of turning over human
00:39:41.660
decision making of life or death decisions to weapon systems such as drone swarms such as automated gun
00:39:50.380
turrets with facial recognition or ip address recognition and you couple that with the arms race
00:39:57.100
between the us and china also the us and russia and put on top of all of that right that as if that
00:40:05.500
wasn't a disturbing enough prospect because there are many people pushing for that including eric schmidt
00:40:11.500
former google ceo uh you put on top of that the the possibility of an ai system that either because
00:40:19.660
of its super intelligence or just because it's being handed control it glitches out and starts killing
00:40:24.300
people uh and and that is the conversation we hope to bring the war room audience into and we hope
00:40:32.220
that more and more politicians are paying attention to because as we heard there are our artificial
00:40:37.500
intelligence czar uh kamala harris is struggling to keep up there are some that aren't josh howley uh i
00:40:44.940
think is really really astute on this and in his uh twitter space with elon musk mike gallagher of
00:40:51.980
wisconsin representative from wisconsin wisconsin showed himself to be very very informed on this
00:40:57.740
and honestly the democrat uh from california roe connor did as well so hopefully more and more
00:41:04.540
politicians who are going to be at the center of legislating this are paying attention to it but
00:41:10.060
those three elements the conflicts already happening geopolitically the push to put autonomous lethal
00:41:19.900
weapons out on the battlefield making life or death decisions and then sitting in the background of that
00:41:25.580
the possibility of an imminent singularity or something like it in which an ai system has more control and
00:41:33.420
and in many ways better pattern recognition than any human being on earth
00:41:41.100
i want to go to these three and get our audience up to speed on what's going to be uh
00:41:44.620
and you can already tell in dc it's a major part of the conversation when you talk about the autonomous
00:41:49.580
systems let's do that first before we go to break they're essentially saying you heard it in there
00:41:54.380
that the machine the computer the algorithm is always going to be smarter than the human under that
00:42:00.460
type of stress and so whether it's combat pilots or even humans working drones these lethal autonomous
00:42:05.980
systems and i can tell you in the weapons labs this is what they're hurtling towards
00:42:10.780
that that is going to be that's going to take over to a large extent the modern battlefield uh joe allen
00:42:17.820
yes uh if denver can throw it up we've got only got just a minute to talk about it but uh bloomberg
00:42:22.300
reported last week about five different large language models that are being tested right now
00:42:28.140
in a military exercise run with of course the department of defense and the purpose is to
00:42:34.140
literally look to the artificial intelligence system as an advisor in an active battle scenario then of
00:42:40.940
course you have the lethal autonomous systems that are being right now developed by darpa and
00:42:45.980
particularly it's there it's the independent startups that they contract out to uh one of
00:42:51.900
those that i just mentioned eric schmidt is starry we've covered him a lot it's in my book uh eric
00:42:58.380
schmidt is at the forefront of pushing for lethal autonomous systems to be out of the human loop and his
00:43:06.060
reasoning is that if we don't do it china will do it or some other nation will do it and therefore they
00:43:11.180
will have a superior military that's the rock in a hard place that he's presenting okay hang on
00:43:18.140
hang over a second the book is dark eon get it uh not only will you be the smartest person at the
00:43:25.100
backyard barbecue or at the dinner table on all things the transhumanism the singularity
00:43:32.140
artificial intelligence but you'll also be the most informed citizen because this is going to be
00:43:37.180
a major topic in politics culture civilization society business all of it uh joe's book is the
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the uncurious to the downright nosy how many illegal fisa queries have occurred under your leadership
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they're coming for matt gates just remember that so we've got another members of 30 front war the
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heroes and patriots they're always going to come for they're coming from matt gates they're not going
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to get matt gates and as ben harnwell said i believe matt gates will be speaker of the house
00:45:47.180
one day and i can tell you if he was speaker of this house you'd see a lot more action to saving
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this nation that's why they're coming for him they don't want the matt gates think back over the think
00:45:57.020
back since um just january don't even go to last year when he called the shot about what was going to
00:46:02.140
happen in the election just take from january to uh to everything he's following the floor to the fbi
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the doj the questioning the ndaa look at look at the actions of matt gates and compare that to
00:46:14.860
mccarthy's leadership team it's a disgrace absolutely disgrace and of course they're coming
00:46:19.820
for him uh joe allen the reason i want to go i want to go so the push is to do these lethal autonomous
00:46:26.620
systems if you do these lethal autonomous systems now let's say you start deploying them in the very
00:46:32.220
short term in the next year or two where they are actually independent and and working without
00:46:36.940
human constraint on the battlefield what happens then when we hit artificial if we hit artificial
00:46:44.460
general intelligence uh by the time that elon musk comes in how does that then we have lethal
00:46:52.860
autonomous systems that could be truly autonomous including turning on its own makers sir is that is
00:47:00.220
that is that the conundrum we're in right now it's very very difficult to to call whether or not
00:47:06.940
artificial general intelligence or anything like that is actually just over the horizon what i can
00:47:13.180
say without a doubt is that the rate of progress is definitely accelerating and the incentive to make
00:47:21.340
that progress accelerate even more rapidly is is that ai arms race both both on the corporate level
00:47:28.620
within america and between nations but also on the national security front uh militaries around the
00:47:35.020
world are working on this but the chinese military especially it's really important to remember too
00:47:40.220
that the chinese ai systems with the exception of their surveillance systems and a few others they
00:47:46.060
really are way behind the us so far as anybody here knows the problem is is that it doesn't take much it
00:47:53.580
wouldn't take that much of a technology transfer to china let's just say that there was a a technocratic
00:47:59.740
transhumanist billionaire who had close ties with china uh just hypothetically speaking right like
00:48:05.500
elon musk or someone like that um but if that technology transfer would allow them to catch up very very
00:48:10.780
quickly especially if the u.s was slowing down the real problem as i see it this push that it's really a
00:48:19.100
fundamental ideology the idea that a an artificial intelligence system that is sufficiently advanced will
00:48:27.740
be superior to human decision makers and that that artificial intelligence system will basically
00:48:34.140
function sort of like a god on earth it will be deferred to its decision making will be like the
00:48:41.100
law givers of old right like like hammurabi or something uh it will be the the final word there's a large
00:48:49.180
there's a very wide spectrum on this but you could hear there with mark andreessen this this this
00:48:54.540
this exultant sort of uh optimism that the ai systems will in fact progress as quickly as guys
00:49:01.820
like dodkowski say they will but rather than warning that they will perhaps have different interests than
00:49:07.900
our own and kill everybody or at least some people or take us over and enslave us andreessen believes that
00:49:13.420
they should be used for education to make human beings smarter that they should be used for augmentation
00:49:18.700
the same purpose as people go through their life ai becomes this sort of lens by which decisions are made
00:49:25.980
then of course once you hit a point of where the ai on all domains artificial general intelligence
00:49:33.180
um he doesn't believe that that's coming by the way but many do you get to that you then have this techno cult
00:49:41.100
exalting this this god on earth this artificial intelligence god that's what google is working
00:49:46.940
towards pretty much openly that's what open ai is working towards quite openly and a number of other ai
00:49:55.020
companies and startups definitely have that goal in mind and that cult underneath it is very very
00:50:01.020
important because the the more people and especially the more influential people that are in that techno
00:50:07.100
cult call it transhumanism call it optimization call it long-termism call it whatever the more people
00:50:13.580
of influence that are in that techno cult exist and have control and are pulling the levers in society
00:50:19.260
the closer we will come to total technocracy in which either a machine is making this the decisions or
00:50:26.700
just as likely the elites who are in control of those autonomous machines make the first decision and then
00:50:34.380
implement those decisions through the technocratic system below uh joe allen the book is dark eon
00:50:42.700
you've worked a year on it i mean you've worked your whole life on it but we put aside a year for you to
00:50:46.620
grind it out it's amazing it's out in august but i want people to order it today to go to amazon
00:50:52.220
it's a war room book the second we had the indictment with frank gaffney on the ccp this is the second we
00:50:57.260
only do books that matter from people that matter joe real quickly what's your social media how do people
00:51:03.340
get to you over the weekend um we'll be at uh tp usa uh posting a bit from there but you can find
00:51:11.820
the book uh presale at amazon.com the beast uh you can find uh the book soon at skyhorse publishing
00:51:19.980
and you can find links to this at the top of my social media at joe b-o-t-x-y-z at the top of the
00:51:27.020
transhumanism tab war room dot org and uh of course my own site joe bot dot xyz uh
00:51:35.820
we have a whole team joe yeah yeah go ahead the entire spectrum is covered in this book from
00:51:42.540
apocalypticism to uh some positive uses of technology but the c the central point this is a spiritual
00:51:50.940
movement and the resistance to it also has to be a spiritual movement uh joe will be with us at
00:52:00.140
turning point the whole posse the whole crew is going to be down tomorrow i want you guys to show
00:52:03.660
up and uh we're going to do a live show there tomorrow and joe be part of it joe thank you
00:52:06.940
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