On today's show, host Stephen K. Bannon talks with former Speaker of the House of Representatives John Boehner. They discuss his time in office, what it's like to be speaker, and what it means for the future of the country.
00:06:55.320He's, in fact, there was a great video made yesterday about the judge, how bad he is, and I think over on Getter, I think it's on Twitter, but Getter pulled it down.
00:07:11.200President Trump's in court again today.
00:07:13.620He's decided to show up for the second day.
00:07:15.980Yesterday I thought it was quite effective.
00:07:17.660He came out and made his case, and I thought it blew away.
00:07:20.960And the judge got so bad, the judge is whining to the New York Post and other media outlets.
00:07:24.960Oh, you've got to stop saying that I valued the Mar-a-Lago at only $17 million.
00:07:31.760No, we're not going to stop on anything.
00:07:33.400We're going to get, this judge is a disaster, right?
00:07:37.340Remember, they're trying to liquidate and bankrupt President Trump, trying to liquidate his properties in New York, take away his business license to operate in New York, the New York real estate empire.
00:07:47.560In the Capitol, the other front of the 30-front war, there's going to be a vote at 130.
00:07:56.720If Hakeem Jeffries and the Democrats just vote, just vote basically to support Hakeem Jeffries, the Gates and these guys have the votes to remove him.
00:08:09.360Not to make a new speaker, but remember, it's a two-part process, but they have the votes to remove him.
00:08:13.660And if your congressman is not on this list that you see circulating around, and I think if Grace can put up the latest list that's bouncing around, 202-225-3121 is the House, particularly people in red districts, particularly people who have these men and women on the bubble.
00:08:35.440Now, what McCarthy's going to do is some parliamentary tricks.
00:08:39.300The reason he's calling this so early, he doesn't have the vote, so he wants to slow this train down.
00:08:45.660And he still refuses to answer the question, still refuses to answer the question about the Ukraine deal, the side deal.
00:08:54.220And now they're trying to play another gimmick and try to attach it to border security to get it passed through.
00:09:00.400They are running the tables on the American Republic.
00:09:03.940CNBC, and I'm going to ask my guys to go back, if one of my team can look at that CNBC, the entire CNBC interview.
00:09:10.240I don't think they asked him any meaningful questions.
00:09:13.840And this is Joe and the team over there.
00:09:15.420I don't think they asked him any meaningful questions about really the economy, and particularly debt and deficits and what he's brought on, the deal that he basically gave Biden.
00:09:25.060If we can put up, if Denver could put up, I'm going to give you some signal right now, because here in the Capitol, there's a lot of noise.
00:09:36.200Now, Jamie Dimon is chairman and CEO of J.P. Morgan.
00:09:40.220I would argue, if not the most powerful financial institution outside of, like, the Black Rocks.
00:09:48.920I mean, it's a commercial bank and an investment bank, so it can both underwrite debt, issue debt, and it can underwrite bonds, stocks, securities, M&A, all of it.
00:10:00.560Full service, money-centered bank, arguably the most powerful bank in the world.
00:10:03.580I think, along with Goldman Sachs, people would say it has the most elite client list, and probably J.P. Morgan, if you go throughout the world, high net worth individuals.
00:10:14.700Jamie Dimon says yesterday, he says, hey, I'm a little bit of a contrarian, but he says, I don't think rates have peaked.
00:10:22.760And I think there's a potential, a real potential, for basic core interest rates, Federal Reserve, 7%.
00:11:24.100And anybody that is on a TV or radio saying, oh, no, chaos, the same people that were arguing were going to be in chaos in January, and we didn't have chaos.
00:11:34.280You actually had the beginning of regular order.
00:11:37.120You had the beginning of a system forced upon him, forced upon him by this show and those brave patriots that stood up round after round after round.
00:12:35.920It's a concentration of money that takes power.
00:12:41.600And the moneyed interest, the money, anybody that's arguing for Kevin McCarthy is arguing the case of the moneyed interest, of the moneyed interest.
00:12:54.400If the moneyed interest had delivered, you know, prosperity and none of this debt and this massive deficit payments and basically had paid for it themselves or had gone back to what we call capitalism and let it evolve that way, you know, maybe you wouldn't have the bigger problem with them.
00:13:13.600You still, no group should ever have this type of power in the United States.
00:13:17.440But hey, maybe, you know, maybe we just go play golf and, you know, we watch the bread and circuses of modern Rome and football, the NFL football, right?
00:13:29.940We go chase signal all our life or go chase noise all our life, just chase noise, chase noise, chase noise, maybe.
00:13:55.320We will never pay off one penny, one penny of the principle of the $33 trillion, which is rapidly going to go to $34, $35, $36, $37.
00:14:08.380Inexurably drawing the American Republic to her doom.
00:14:15.080That you, your family, people under 40, particularly your children, your grandchildren, all of it, will be debt slaves to global capital markets.
00:14:24.960Global capital markets that will not include the dollar as the prime reserve currency.
00:14:30.860Debt slavery to the United States of America.
00:14:33.020You could break your chains beginning today.
00:17:45.360Ask them about, you know, they're the cheerleader for the Ukraine war, the cheerleader for the Afghan war, the cheerleader for the Iraq war.
00:17:57.140Essentially the cheerleader for all the bailouts of Wall Street back in 2008.
00:20:35.180Unfortunately, people that care about this republic and care about our obligation and our duty to bequeath this to our children and to future generations take a little more serious note of this.
00:20:50.160And that's why you have been at the vanguard of doing what is right for this country, to put this country's interest first, to put this republic's interest first, to put her citizens' interest first.
00:21:05.660In this massive fight over these cuts and $2 trillion deficit now and in perpetuity, they can't lie about it anymore.
00:21:13.880And all the problems we have here, the massive invasion on the southern border, Eric Adams going down to Darien Gap, Michael Yon and Van Der Steele and Oscar Blue Ramirez and Ben Burkwam, hat tip, folks, you finally smoked him out.
00:21:29.760He's going to go down there and he's going to say, hey, guess what?
00:21:32.160There's 500,000 people coming through here.
00:21:54.080And all they're doing up there, all McCarthy and anybody defends him, all they're doing is grabbing with both hands while the collapse goes on.
00:22:56.080And we're saying you have to stop this madness now.
00:23:01.820And the powers that be in the economic forces that be in the way this imperial capital is run.
00:23:09.140Is the powers that be have control of it and they're not prepared to give it up to the American people and particularly not prepared to give it up.
00:24:44.540And remember, McCarthy's lined you with a straight face because if he didn't have a secret deal with Biden, then we just say, hey, look, let's just then just hold off.
00:26:01.860And unfortunately, in Trump's inner circle, there are people up there that are very close to McCarthy.
00:26:09.620Let's just talk truth to power right here.
00:26:13.040But President Trump has to understand McCarthy puts the shiv in him every day, every day.
00:26:18.620That inner group, why do you think they put, why do you think they push the 47-day, the 47-day CR to push it past November?
00:26:26.720So that Junkin's massive donors, led by the Hungarian, another foreigner, I see a consistent pattern here.
00:26:35.980I think I got some pattern recognition.
00:26:39.000That's going to meet down at Virginia Beach on the 17th of October to plan Junkin's run and plan his huge run.
00:26:47.120Because the Keebler elves have fizzled, failure to launch all of them.
00:26:51.980And now President Trump and the team around him, Lassavita and Susie Wiles, they come out finally, you know, late, but better late than never, and said, we've got to cancel the third debate.
00:27:11.280They're going exactly against the will of the people here.
00:27:14.560And small donors should cut them off 100% until they start canceling these primaries and focus resources back where President Trump wanted, which is on election integrity.
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00:30:04.780You know, he would have done it if we were in shutdown or not.
00:30:07.540But I firmly believe it's the right decision to keep government open, to make sure our military is still paid, our border agents are still paid.
00:30:16.220And if that makes a challenge based upon whether I should be Speaker, I'll take that fight.
00:31:02.180It was impossible to default on government securities.
00:31:04.660Not the way they're defaulting, with the interest rates climb.
00:31:09.620The purchasing power, they're defaulting on it all the time.
00:31:12.260That's why the purchasing power of your money is much less than when the Biden regime started with the collaborationist Republicans in the McCarthy set.
00:32:39.220And I want to read you a headline from a discussion that we had back in November of 2022, where we came to the conclusion that Kevin McCarthy will block meaningful congressional investigations, exposing the establishment's corruption because he's in on it.
00:32:55.920And I would say that that take has aged pretty well when it comes to the efficacy of these investigations, whether it's the China committee, the effort to impeach Joe Biden, weaponization.
00:33:06.040It really has been just that performative.
00:33:09.380And as much as they like to slam people like me and you and our allies like Matt Gaetz as, you know, agents of chaos and arsonists, in reality, what we saw at that impeachment hearing last week, that is the definition of chaos.
00:33:22.800But I think what the worst part, really, what the ultimate, you say, I'm cynical, maybe I am, but really the ultimate black pill is on Republican leadership is that it is chaos that was actually designed to be just that, to be a failure.
00:33:37.160So we could not justify pushing forward with an impeachment inquiry of Joe Biden, when in reality, we have more evidence probably 100, if not 1,000 times, than what Democrats ever had on Donald Trump and what was going on in Ukraine.
00:33:50.960But I think that's sort of the point we're at with Republican leadership.
00:33:58.360But it's intentional because at the end of the day, these people are part of the swamp.
00:34:03.820All that you need to know is the fact that they call people like Matt Gaetz who want to change the way that business is done in Washington, D.C., as inflicting chaos.
00:34:12.240It's not inflicting chaos if you want to actually align the way that politics are conducted in this country with most of the grassroots.
00:34:20.260Just look at the fact that all of the people on Twitter who are posting, the congressmen, that they support McCarthy.
00:34:25.720Steve, I've never seen people get ratioed so heavily.
00:34:29.600I mean, they get like 200 likes and there are thousands of comments absolutely dragging these people.
00:34:41.880Do you remember during the debt ceiling negotiations when your favorite, Garrett Graves, trying to be all funny, tweeted out saying that he would go on any media outlet to defend his deal that he made with Joe Biden?
00:34:56.300Since he tweeted that out, we reached out to him repeatedly, to his comms director.
00:35:00.940So many media outlets offered to have him on to defend it.
00:35:16.720And I hope this motion to vacate passes and we get rid of Kevin McCarthy because it will actually show them, well, if we're a bunch of idiots, we just removed you.
00:36:12.580Remember, there is smoking gun evidence that President Biden is corruptly on Chinese, Ukrainian, Russian oligarchs payrolls.
00:36:26.340And so is every single family member, it seems, except for the five-year-old granddaughter, who they just acknowledged under political pressure after five years.
00:36:56.140Do you think there's any chance that if there were any, even 1% of this evidence against President Trump or Don Jr. or Eric or any of the other Trumps,
00:37:07.260do you think there's any chance that the House Democrats, if they were in charge of, do you think there's any chance they would wait nine months or 10 months to issue subpoenas?
00:37:20.860The reason that the Democrats are on offense in this lawfare is because Republicans are weak and stupid, and we don't have them on defense.
00:37:32.040Let's make them lawyer up and spend $200,000 on lawyers, because we're actually investigating real crimes by the Bidens instead of these non-crimes against President Trump.
00:37:42.900If this republic is to be saved, it's people like Natalie Winters and Mike Davis.
00:37:48.900Fair, smart, tough individuals are going to save it.
00:37:55.840Maybe they don't come in this predisposed to dump on these people, but it's the facts.
00:38:00.220Natalie, I want to go to your reporting over the last – yesterday we had you in the show, but I want to redo that with the updates,
00:38:05.940because we need the nation and MAGA to understand how the imperial capital works.
00:38:14.880And this is why there's no investigation, because they're all – the uniparty are on the side of the oligarchs here.
00:38:23.560They're on their side because they're making – as I said, they're making more money as the country collapses than they made on when the country was ascended.
00:38:33.100Natalie Winters, walk through what you got for us on Ukraine the last couple of days.
00:38:36.000Sure, it's not just managed decline, it's accelerated decline.
00:38:40.180I said that yesterday, and I stand by it in two of the stories that we just put out today, I think, really underscore that theory.
00:38:46.300I'll start with the first one, but a former Democratic congressman, Jim Moran, who, of course, became a lobbyist after leaving Washington, D.C.
00:38:55.280Believe it or not, one of his new clients, as of about six days ago, is the Ukrainian government.
00:39:00.160He's receiving $25,000 a month for at least a year to basically lobby his former colleagues to give them more foreign aid in the form of weapons, arms, and I'm sure billions of taxpayer dollars.
00:39:12.460But what's so curious is that I actually obtained the letter detailing the agreement between Moran Global Strategies and the Ukrainian government ministry, showing their terms of work, the payment.
00:39:24.340And what's so interesting is that the payment you can see in red on the screen there, it's not actually coming from the government ministry.
00:39:31.060It's coming from a shady nonprofit that basically you can't even find online.
00:39:36.040You know, an investigative reporter, I can find almost about anything.
00:39:38.980There's absolutely no trace of this entity.
00:39:41.220It's a group very innocuously named Ukraine Freedom.
00:39:44.820And that is who is funneling the money to this D.C.-based consulting firm, like I said, a former Democratic member of Congress who's now making what will be at the end of the year six figures, just lobbying his old colleagues to give Ukraine more taxpayer dollars.
00:39:59.640You always talk about socializing the risk in this country and the elites getting the upside.
00:40:06.120And on the Victoria Nuland front, which dovetails with the story that I put up yesterday, this is, of course, one of the key figures back in 2014.
00:40:14.000She was really an instrumental person in orchestrating what many have called a coup in Ukraine to ask the democratically elected president.
00:40:20.560So it's very curious to me that what the data we've obtained from White House visitor logs show not only that she was meeting with Joe Biden privately in the very early days of the Ukraine-Russia war,
00:40:31.020but the timing around when she meets with Joe Biden, for example, June 8th of this year, was the very same day that the DOD released billions more to Ukraine for more weapons that they don't need.
00:40:43.060But I think the real smoking gun here, Steve, when you talk about the global basement that is Ukraine and who is really pulling the strings,
00:40:50.300in the early, early days of the conflict, July 19th of 2022,
00:40:54.000the White House, I would argue, fabricated this intelligence report that Russia was planning to annex parts of Ukraine.
00:41:01.800And if you read the report, they say just like they did in 2014.
00:41:05.020In other words, they were taking Victoria Nuland's old 2014 talking points, refashioning, repurposing them.
00:41:11.480And they used that so-called intel report to justify, for months, giving Ukraine billions more in aid.
00:41:19.480So it's the same people. And I think that it really underscores the point that this has never been about Ukraine,
00:41:24.880never been about the actual fighting going on there.
00:41:27.520It's always been about these Western elites, the Nulands of the world, Jim Rands of the world,
00:41:32.840trying to create another forever war so they can continue to launch or and funnel U.S. taxpayer dollars back into their pockets.
00:41:40.680Now, we've stopped the funding even over the weekend in this massive giveaway.
00:41:47.100We stopped the funding on both. McConnell, the first time his conference stood up to him,
00:41:52.760as much as they tried to push it in the House, couldn't go.
00:41:56.700And now all they're talking about, and McCarthy's denying a secret deal.
00:42:00.220If they don't have a secret deal, Natalie, would anything come forward here?
00:42:05.060Couldn't we just wait a couple of months?
00:42:06.380Is the reason we're not waiting, is everybody, all the elites, everybody's on the payroll,
00:42:11.540everybody's on the tits so that you can't have a break? It's got to be continuous?
00:42:16.420Of course. I mean, look at the news cycle right now.
00:42:18.700I know you and I were talking about that Atlantic piece, you know, decrying MAGA for not being pro-Ukraine.
00:42:24.000But just in the last 24 hours, it seems like the Ukraine news cycle has just been dominated by article after article,
00:42:30.460slamming MAGA Republicans, the MAGA movement for not being Ukraine,
00:42:34.020and our intellectual superiors, the Jonah Goldbergs of the world,
00:42:38.000trying to lecture to us why it's so imperative to be Ukraine.
00:48:10.320Do, on the agenda this year, there's some pretty big cases.
00:48:14.720Particularly, can you tell us about Chevron?
00:48:16.900I mean, this is the case about the administrative state, is it not, sir?
00:48:20.700Yeah, we have two big cases that are going to be dealing with the powers of the federal government.
00:48:25.580One deals with Chevron, which is how much deference courts are supposed to give to these executive branch agencies while they go about running over Americans and our rights.
00:48:36.560And then this, another case is about this new agency called the CFPB that was started after Dodd-Frank's, that they essentially have the Fed give them an unlimited budget, or that's what it seems.
00:48:49.180And so the Supreme Court's going to look at that.
00:48:51.320But we just have to step back and remember what our Constitution is.
00:48:55.380Our Constitution is a loan agreement between we, the people, and our governments, whether it's the federal governments or our state governments, right?
00:49:04.080And we loan our federal government specific, enumerated, and separated powers, right?
00:49:11.380We give Congress the power to legislate.
00:49:14.000We give the executive branch the power to enforce.
00:49:17.380And we give the judiciary the power to adjudicate cases, to decide cases and controversies.
00:49:23.480And over time, all three of these divided powers have been consolidated in the executive branch.
00:49:30.220And more troublingly, the federal government as a whole has assumed powers that we did not lend it under the Constitution, powers that are supposed to belong to states and we, the people.
00:49:40.400So the federal government, since FDR, has grabbed way too much power over our lives.
00:49:45.860And on top of that, we have that power consolidated in the executive branch instead of divided among the three branches.
00:49:54.260And then we have the courts just deferring to the executive branch and saying, we're going to defer to you if these statutes are ambiguous and Congress passes intentionally ambiguous statutes, the courts just defer to the executive branch on what the executive branch thinks is right.
00:50:10.220So an example of a case that's coming before the Supreme Court is there is this federal maritime fishing agency.
00:50:18.740And there's this statute that says that these marine fishermen somehow have to have an observer on their fishing boats, right?
00:50:27.360But the statute doesn't say who has to pay for these very expensive observers on these marine fishing boats.
00:50:33.960And so the agency has just said, you know, it's ambiguous who pays for this.
00:50:40.100So, of course, the agency says, we're not going to pay for it.
00:50:42.520We're going to make these fishermen pay for these observers, right?
00:50:45.840And so the Supreme Court is going to decide whether they should give Chevron deference to these administrative agencies, this made-up judicial precedence where the Supreme Court and the lower courts just defer to the agencies when they grab too much power.
00:51:04.980And on top of that, the Supreme Court is going to look at the CFPB that was started after Dodd-Frank's.
00:51:11.380We have these so-called predatory lenders who are suing and saying that the way that the CFPB is funded by the Fed and not through Congress violates the Appropriations Clause of the Constitution.
00:51:25.080If you want to fund these federal agencies, it needs to be through regular appropriations by Congress, people who are elected and accountable to the American people instead of through the Fed, who are – the Fed is unaccountable.
00:51:40.160And then they do this funding scheme where there's zero accountability and virtually an unlimited budget for the CFPB.
00:51:47.460Gorsuch is the – he made his bones on the Chevron deference, right?
00:51:54.380He's considered the leading judicial thinker about this brain.
00:52:03.820And when you were in the Trump White House, you helped picked him, so you know that.
00:52:07.200That was his major selling point was – look, Chevron came down when Justice Gorsuch's mother ran the EPA, right?
00:52:16.100And I think Justice Gorsuch has seen his entire life how this federal government is out of control and how an out-of-control federal government really harms real Americans in real America, whether it's farmers or ranchers or fishermen.
00:52:32.680Our founders never intended for our federal government to be this big, not even close.
00:52:38.920The powers that are not specifically enumerated in the U.S. Constitution for the federal government, they don't have these powers unless it's specifically spelled out in the Constitution.
00:52:49.440But we've had that flipped on its head, the switch in time that saved nine when FDR threatened to pack the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court changed its commerce cause jurisprudence.
00:52:59.840We have an out-of-control federal government, and these executive branch agencies are unaccountable and have way too much power, legislative, executive, and judicial power.
00:53:08.200Yeah, just hang – I know you've got to bounce.