Episode 4160： Creating The American Oligarch
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Summary
Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are two billionaires who rely on highly skilled immigrants to power their enterprises. Those immigrants come to this country to work with an H-1B visa, which provides terms that are extremely favorable to their employers and also an amazing opportunity for the folks coming to work here.
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Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, the tech overlords who appear to be running Trump's second-term agenda,
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rely on highly skilled immigrants to power their enterprises.
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Those immigrants come to this country to work with an H-1B visa,
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which provides terms that are extremely favorable to their employers
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and also an amazing opportunity for the folks coming to work here.
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Folks basically have to stay at their job in order to stay in the country.
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If they leave their position, they have two months to find a new job or risk getting deported.
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So you can see why someone like Elon Musk likes them so much.
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For example, this is not abstract, when Musk bought Twitter and a huge percentage of the staff headed for the exits,
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Vice News reported on how Twitter employees on visas can't just quit.
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The other side of the debate over the H-1B visa is the one that folks like Stephen Miller and Stephen Bannon
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have been pushing for years, that we should restrict, limit, perhaps, end all immigration in the U.S.,
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Stuff at the border around asylum, but also H-1B visas.
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I mean, just listen to the two of them on Bannon's old radio show back in March of 2016.
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This is before Trump was even the Republican nominee.
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And they see these oligarchs down there with 54 private jets, and they're not down there for their health.
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They're called together by Karl Rove, and it's a stop-Trump movement.
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And it's a stop-Trump movement because they want unlimited H-B-1 visas.
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Isn't the beating heart of this problem right now the real beating heart of it, of what we've got to get sorted here,
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is not illegal immigration, as horrific as that is, and it's horrific.
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We've looked the other way on this legal immigration that's kind of overwhelmed the country.
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The history of America is that an immigration on period is followed by an immigration off period.
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H-1B visas, legal immigration, and immigration off period.
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Miller's going to be the one writing that border bill.
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So those two factions of the Republican Party, with pretty profoundly different views,
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are at each other's throats about what to do with their newfound power.
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Should they use the legal immigration system to continue supplying Silicon Valley and other industries with highly skilled workers?
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Or should they apply some new racist immigrant exclusion act, like the Chinese Exclusion Act,
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to deport all those workers and let Americans take their jobs?
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In defense of the former argument, that is, continuing H-1B visas,
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Elon Musk, spent his Christmas week absolutely melting down the social media platform he owns.
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He has since deleted many of those posts, including one that replied approvingly
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to a post calling American burn workers in general a slur,
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the R word, for being too stupid to be able to do the jobs that workers on H-1B visas were doing.
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One emblematic post is still up, where Musk tells opponents of H-1B visas to F themselves
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before pledging to go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.
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Although he seems to have underestimated how much the MAGA diehards hate immigration,
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his online base of right-wing Twitter trolls quickly turned on him,
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spurned down by the likes of Bannon, as well as Laura Loomer, the fringe far-right activist,
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who spent much of the fall cozying up to Trump before his campaign stepped in and pushed her aside.
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It's not a civil war because they're not tough enough. They're just not.
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I don't think that it's acceptable for George Soros, Elon Musk, or Peter Thiel.
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It doesn't matter what side of the political aisle a billionaire is on.
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I don't think that it's acceptable for billionaires to have this much power and this much access.
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On the policy dispute here, and there is a real one, Trump actually took Musk's side on it,
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coming out in support of H-1B visas. In comments to the New York Post,
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I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B. I've used it many times.
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Now, I have to say, I think Trump might be confused here.
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I don't think his properties are hiring a ton of, say, like software engineers off H-1B.
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As the New York Times reports, Trump has been a frequent and longtime user of the similarly named
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but starkly different H-2B visa program, which is for unskilled workers like gardeners and
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housekeepers. Of course, you can drive yourself crazy and try to track Trump's position on anything
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at a moment. In 2016, of course, he called for, guess what? The H-1B to be banned.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The people have
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had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega media. I wish in my soul,
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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It's Tuesday, 31 December, in the year of our Lord, 2024. That's the last time I guess we'll say
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that, or this show, this morning's show. It's the last show of the year. We've got a lot
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planned to get through, but we've got to get through this first thing about immigration. I want to bring
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in. Sean Spicer. Sean, you were comms director for the White House and the spokesman for the
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president, and also on the campaign, you came in and bailed us out and helped Jason for the sprint
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to the end. But I first met you, Sean, when you were comms director with Wrights over the RNC. In fact,
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spring of 16, we had a lot of interaction together, Commander. And you remember Breitbart Radio,
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my morning show, we're talking about the exact same topic. In fact, I think that Karl Rove,
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I'm not saying U.N. Wrights instigated it, but I think that was somehow an RNC-adjacent
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meeting where they all went down there. That was the last gasp of the Stop Trump movement.
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But what are we talking about? We're talking about H-1B visas. You remember that day, sir?
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Dude, I remember very vividly getting a call saying, who is this Steve Bannon guy,
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and how are we going to solve this? And I said, well, let's go meet with him,
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because I don't think it's going away, and you still haven't 10 years later.
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And thank you for the kind words. It's been one heck of a ride.
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Well, Sean, so you've been there since the beginning, and obviously you've had a job with
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Wrights. You guys were kind of the establishment guys, but you saw the issues that were popping
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up. And I know that you went out of your way behind the scenes of the donors, say, hey, look,
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you guys got to understand, there's something happening in the country. We're here, what,
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eight years later, and we're having a debate about this very topic. Now, you have your own show.
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You've got your own Twitter feed, which is huge. You've got a big following. You did something the
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other day, and walk us through what you did. In the heat of this, in the nastiest part of it,
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which is about 48 hours ago, you decided to do something. What was it?
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Yeah, first, let me just address what you said. I think the one thing that you and a lot of the
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folks showed us is that for so long, we'd heard, this is how it works, right? You can't do anything
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different. This is the system. This is how, and I think what Donald Trump showed us more than
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you can fight back. You can be a fighter and win. And that's what I think broke the mold for so many of
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us that said it's not just normal. So what I did the other day is I heard this discussion
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on, about H-1B visas, and I put it out there. I literally just tweeted, let's settle this. H-1B
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visas pro. I'm with Elon. Khan Bannon is right. And 67%, and it trended this way. I made it
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intentionally 48 hours because I didn't want it to be a flash in the pan. I wanted people to be able to
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see it, digest it, share it. Look at that thing over there, 92,674 votes. Is this scientific? No.
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But is this where the people are? Yes. And what I found most interesting, Steve,
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wasn't just the vote, but I read through a lot of the comments. And what I found interesting about
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this issue more than anything is that some of the commentary that you have shared goes back to my
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original comment. For so long, we've been told we need H-1B visas because Americans can't fill this.
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We've been just given a blanket excuse. This is how things are done. Suck it up, right? What I read
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through a lot of the comments and through a lot of the commentary that you're putting out there is,
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no, there is a different way. That's not, you don't have to just accept the status quo.
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These guys created this problem and now they want everyone to bail them out, right? So we can train
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Americans. We can reprioritize putting Americans in these problems. We shouldn't just accept the
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status quo because they say so. Sean, given the new coalition we've put together,
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and obviously it's the early days of that, you know, we did it in 16 a little bit, but much more
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in 24 where you have African-American males now coming to the forefront, either not voting for
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Democrats and or sometimes voting for President Trump. And you have Hispanics in record numbers,
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I think over 50% of the Hispanic vote. Last night on MSMEC, when they say, hey, we kind of like what
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Bannon's saying, but we know they're racist at the end of the day. These guys are all racist and they
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refuse to talk about the Hispanic and African-American. I mean, isn't that what this is
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really about? It's about American citizens, regardless of your race or ethnicity. You
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deserve a shot at these jobs and you're not dumber or lazier than people as guys are saying that we
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actually have plenty of people that could step in and fill those because they're not bringing over
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the Einsteins. That's obvious, right? Do you think that gets us past this racism charge?
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No, because they can't admit that they're wrong. That's the problem. And again, this goes back to
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the first thing I said about the status quo. We force people into a four-year college education
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because we tell them that's the smart thing to do. So they get a degree in gender studies and make
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15 grand a year, never pay back their loan and hope that the government forgives it. Instead of
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saying, hey, there's these trade schools where you can learn a skill, you can learn to be an engineer,
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you can learn to work on computers. The system is screwed up. And the problem is, is that our
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leaders tell us there's only one way to do things. And what I think more than anything we've learned
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over the last eight years, if not 10, is that there are better ways, more common sense solutions,
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and we don't have to suck it up. If we're willing to fight back, if we're willing to say this isn't
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the only way, that there are other avenues to pursue this, that if you're not going to change,
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we'll get rid of you, then I think that to me is the message. Over and over again, we've learned
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that we can win. We don't have to accept the status quo. I mean, I think about all these
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fights, these people saying Pete Hegseth isn't qualified. What are you talking about? The guy's
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got, what, three bronze stars, degrees from Princeton and Harvard, served in Gitmo, Afghanistan,
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Iraq. And somehow because he didn't wear a star on his shoulders, he's not qualified. He didn't work
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in the defense industrial complex. He's not qualified. Tell me how Dennis McDonough, Obama's
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VA secretary, who's never served in the military, never worked for a veteran service organization,
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is qualified. We've got to remember that we've been shown a roadmap on how to fight and win.
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And if we'll follow it, we will be more and more successful. The problem, I think, or the best thing
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that ever happened to Donald Trump, I hate to say this, is not taking office in 2020. Because for 40 years,
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we've been able to get the people, the process, and the policies right to think about them.
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And when he comes back in on January 1st, the American people better have their head on a
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swivel because it's going to go around like this over and over and over again because he is going
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to crush the establishment. It's 6733 and it held pretty tight. And 92,000, we tracked these. That's
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a massive amount of people. And remember, you're restricted. You only vote once. So it's not like
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somebody sat there. And the intensity of the comments, as far as actionable, because as a comms
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director and information guy, you're always talking to me about actionable information.
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What is the actionable information that this represents to Sean Spicer as you see this? What
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So if I were a tech leader, right, I'd go out and say, guys, the American people aren't with us anymore.
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Kind of the same way that corporate America lost the American people, right? So I would go back and I
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would say, all right, we need to do things to help American citizens take these jobs. What can we show
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that we're willing to man up and do? We're going to establish scholarships. We're going to establish
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training programs. But they need to have skin in the game. They can't just bypass American citizens,
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get the cheap labor. As you pointed out through these comments, and even that Chris Hayes clip
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that you played, this is indentured servitude for these folks. They come over and they're trapped
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in a job. How is that any different just because they're making a few more bucks? They have no ability
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to say or do anything. Are you going to speak up at your job if something's going wrong,
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if you know that your visa is tied to your ability to stay in the country? So what I think these tech
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companies need to do is show immediately that they're willing to have skin in the game when
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it comes to putting American people first, whether that's scholarship, training programs,
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STEM, you know, things, but they've got to do more. They can't just sit back and say,
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oh, sorry, this is the way it is. And we need this labor.
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Sean, where do people get the show? Where do they go to get your social media?
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SeanSpicer.com is everything. My show airs every night at six o'clock on my YouTube channel.
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Sean, just go to Sean Spicer, 6 p.m. every night. I appreciate you coming on. And anything
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on Twitter, on X, it's Sean Spicer. So thank you, Steve, for calling us out.
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Now, Sean, are we going to have any luck in getting you into these? Are we going to get
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you into any luck in getting you into the second term, sir? Can we break some news here?
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Good to see you. Happy new year. Thanks for having me on. You bet.
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Robert Shaw Corral will take us out here on New Year's Eve here in the war room.
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Very special guest, Baccia Unger Sargon, is going to join us next to talk about the plight
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of the American working man and woman when the entire system is rigged against them.
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Short commercial break. Back in the war room in just a moment.
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For old lang syne, my dear, for old lang syne, we'll take a cup of kindness yet.
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For old lang syne, and here's the hand, my trusty friend, and here's the hand.
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Saying no to the selling out of the future of their children.
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And it is so dispiriting to see this coming from the so-called right.
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These people do not believe in national borders.
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They don't know what it means to feel a sense of obligation,
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not just to our fellow Americans because they are our fellow Americans,
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Elon Musk, you are the richest man in the world.
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You can't have a little bit of respect for the country and the people in it
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and the working class of the nation that gave you that privilege.
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You have no respect for the God who gave you that privilege.
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And I'm so grateful to you and to Patriot Steve Bannon, our national hero,
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for towing the line and holding the line on this and saying,
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no, no, we will not sit here and cheer as they take good jobs away from Americans
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If we keep importing foreign labor to meet this demand,
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if we keep, as you said, driving the wages down,
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we don't want to get to the root of the problem.
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which I'm not entirely convinced that that is the case,
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we also could set up programs in inner cities to prepare them to code.
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Let's not pretend like a lot of these are super, super high-tech.
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Some of them are entry-level and people can be trained into them.
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But that would require the oligarchs, the titans of the universe to take less money and invest in this,
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for our government to invest in those kinds of programs.
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They shipped all their good manufacturing jobs overseas and said,
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Now it turns out, no, actually, we're going to import people to do the coding.
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So I want to end on what I think is a positive note,
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because what I see is left and right coming together in this.
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I mean, this moment revealed that the divide in this country is not left versus right,
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It is the multiracial, multiethnic, working-class coalition coming together
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and taking on the oligarchs, both the over-credentialed college elites
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and the oligarchs of Silicon Valley, and saying we're going to stand together.
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Black, white, Hispanic, Jewish, Asian, working-class Americans
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are going to stand together for the future of their children.
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Yeah, I'm really glad that you came, and I have to tell you,
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I think this debate that's going on is incredibly important,
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and I'm glad we're having it, and I'm glad, and I'm grateful to Elon Musk
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Rachel Duffy, one of the smartest folks over at Fox,
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with our guest, the author of Second Class, and boy, did she nail it.
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We know the audience love the book, Second Class,
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How the Elites Portrayed America's Working Men and Women,
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Talk to me for a moment about this left and right coming together,
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So, well, we do agree with Bannon on this populism,
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but we know he's a racist, and we know they're all white nationalists.
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This is a true coming together of the populist movement
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of both left and right to defend American citizens, is it not, ma'am?
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They literally put you in prison because you were revealing the truth,
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which is that the divide in this country is not racial.
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It's between the elites and the multiracial working class,
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all want a future in this country that reflects them and their values and their hard work.
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And what the left does, and now the tech pro right as well,
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is they try to racialize this to hide the fact that this is about citizenship.
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It is supposed to mean something to be an American citizen.
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And this is something that working class people of all races intuitively understand.
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And it is something that the oligarchs on both sides,
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not only do they not understand it, Mr. Bannon,
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but they have invested everything in erasing the concept of citizenship,
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erasing the concept of a nation state and national borders.
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Why? Because they have gotten very, very, very rich doing that.
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It was the game when the left was calling working class people of all races racist,
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And it's the whole game when Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy say that they're too lazy and stupid.
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And you have been on this from day one, Mr. Bannon.
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You are a national hero and a patriot who taught me what the real story in this country is.
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How can they get – how can they continue to get away with – this is what's confusing to me.
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And, you know, Elon retweeted somebody that called American workers retarded.
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Vivek's just basically – you could see the underpinnings of the hatred of the American people right there.
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But how can they get away with all night, last night on CNN and MSNBC, highly skilled foreign workers,
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highly skilled foreign workers, Americans not qualified to do these jobs.
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When we know from the evidence and the facts, these are principally entry-level jobs.
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The millions that have come in here on these visas show us one example,
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one example where an American tech worker didn't have the qualifications to do that job.
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We have yet to get an answer on one of the millions that have come here over the 20 or 30 years of this program.
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But how can they continue to sell the fact that Americans either not – these are highly qualified foreigners that are coming over
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or Americans don't want the jobs and the jobs are going open, which both are bald-faced lies, ma'am.
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They can continue to sell it because there is an elite in this country that is very, very hungry to buy it because it puts money in their pockets.
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So if you have a college degree, you're in that knowledge industry, and you are the consumer of working-class or middle-class labor,
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of course you want an open border because it puts money in your pocket.
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Of course you want to ship manufacturing overseas because then when you buy things, you can buy cheap stuff.
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When you go to compete in the housing market, suddenly there's a lot less competition
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because the top 20 percent is controlling over 50 percent of the GDP,
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which means that you're no longer competing with your cleaning lady or your landscaper when it comes to buying a home.
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Suddenly it's much easier for you to achieve the American dream while you are consuming the labor of an American who can no longer afford that American dream.
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We used to believe that this was our God-given right.
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Our rights in this country are guaranteed by God.
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And that that is something that means something that binds us together as citizens of this great nation culturally and economically and socially.
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This is something that binds Americans of all races together.
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But the oligarchs on the left, the over-credentialed college elites, and now the tech bro rights,
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these people don't believe in these things because to destroy the concept of the nation
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is to put millions and billions of dollars back in their pockets.
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You know, they're always saying that mass immigration raises the GDP.
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It makes oligarchs unbelievably wealthy to have a limitless supply of low-wage indentured servitude.
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The problem is, is that it makes Americans much poorer.
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And what you have done, Mr. Bannon, is given voice to the masses who did not have a voice
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to object when there was a handshake agreement pre-Trump between both parties to further destroy the border,
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ship jobs overseas, and import a slave caste who are indentured servants or enslaved to cartels
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to do low-wage and working-class and middle-class jobs here.
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They are getting rich off of the working class.
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It is class warfare from the top, from the elites on both sides against the multiracial working-class coalition.
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Give me a minute before we go to break on Second Class,
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because your book, when we had you on here, the audience loved it.
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What was Second Class, how the elites betrayed America's working men and women?
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How did you come up with the whole concept of it?
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I had started to notice that the real divide in this country was not racial
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I was doing a lot of reporting from the South during the first Trump era,
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and I had gone into that reporting as a woke leftist,
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and I was expecting that I was gonna find all of this racism.
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That the demand for instances of racism in this country from the leftist elites
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was totally, totally superseding the actual supply.
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And I started to think about, well, how come I am so shocked by this?
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Like, how come I was under the illusion that this was still a white supremacist country
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and that everybody who voted for the other party than I did
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It's called Bad News, How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy.
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And it's about how the media, which is extremely woke, perpetuated this myth about racism in America.
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And having discovered that the real divide was not racial, and it was really the class divide,
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and the reason the media was so biased against Republicans was because the Republican Party
00:26:34.440
I then started to uncover this class divide, and I wanted to write a book about that.
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I wanted to allow working class people in their own voices to talk about the struggle for dignity
00:26:44.540
in a country where the Democrats had created an economy that was an upward funnel of wealth
00:26:50.700
from the middle class into the pockets of the elites.
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And so I traveled around the country for a year.
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I interviewed working class people of all races who vote for both parties,
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and I found that there was a lot of consensus and unity among these people.
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And, of course, what you know and what all of your viewers know,
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which is that this is the greatest country on Earth, and we have to fight, fight, fight to keep it that way.
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And the greatest resource of the greatest country on Earth, it's its people
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in their struggle for dignity, work with dignity.
00:27:23.580
The Dublin Women's Choir is going to take us out with Auld Lang Syne.
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We're going to be back in a moment with our guest, Batya Unger-Sargon,
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here on a New Year's Eve, the last day of 2024.
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Take a cup of kindness yet for all that's fine.
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The H-1B visa is the one that folks like Stephen Miller and Stephen Bannon have been pushing for years.
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That we should restrict, limit, perhaps, and all immigration in the U.S., legal and illegal, right?
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Stuff at the border, around asylum, but also H-1B visas.
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I mean, just listen to the two of them on Bannon's old radio show back in March of 2016.
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This is before Trump was even the Republican nominee.
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And they see these oligarchs down there with 54 private jets, and they're not down there for their health.
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They're called together by Karl Rove, and it's a stop-Trump movement.
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And it's a stop-Trump movement because they want unlimited H-B-1 visas.
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Isn't the beating heart of this problem right now the real beating heart of it, of what we've got to get sorted here,
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is not illegal immigration, as horrific as that is, and it's horrific?
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We've looked the other way on this legal immigration that's kind of overwhelmed the country.
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The history of America is that an immigration on period is followed by an immigration off period.
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H-1B visas, legal immigration, and immigration off period.
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Miller's going to be the one writing that border bill.
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For folks who have just come to this show over the last year or a couple of years,
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this has been a, I don't know, 10, 12-year project.
00:29:37.020
And 14, with Dave Bratt coming on scene, the huge victory he had taking down Cantor,
00:29:42.680
And Stephen Miller, who had been on Michelle Bachman's staff and then went to Jeff Sessions,
00:29:47.200
and Jeff Sessions kind of held the line in the Senate.
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But so when people like David Sachs and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy show up, dude,
00:30:01.080
I've taken down bigger guys than that a decade ago, okay?
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You think the odds are long against these guys?
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You've just seen the odds against Trump at the beginning.
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I was doing Breitbart News Radio, many of the audience.
00:30:21.320
I'd have guests like Stephen Miller or something big came up.
00:30:32.980
That was a group of Karl Rove, and I used the term oligarchs,
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and people were like, what are you talking about?
00:30:38.680
And I think it was 54 of them got together on an island off of South Carolina
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to have an emergency meeting in March of how did they stop Trump.
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Trump was running the tables, and I think he had just won Super Tuesday,
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how to stop Trump with these primaries that were left,
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how to stop Trump and how to put as much money as possible.
00:31:04.200
And one of the big issues was H-1B visas because I said, look, it's immigration overall.
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What Biden did is so radical was to crush, to try to defeat inflation,
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to crush the relatively low-skilled or unskilled workers, African-American
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and principally Hispanic by allowing, I don't know, 8, 10, 12, 14, 15.
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You picked a number, millions and millions and millions of people.
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And now they argue, as Boccia just told you, it added 1% to the GDP
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because they're taking all their money and buying Doritos.
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But back then it was the same issue, H-1B visas.
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Right now, I say we must demand a moratorium on all immigration,
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We just got to settle down and figure this thing out
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because the system's been gamed for decades and decades and decades.
00:32:30.880
The credit card companies just wrote off last quarter,
00:32:36.880
up 14% on write-offs, a credit card non-performing,
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I'm going to throw out a random date, the highest since.
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Because that's the beginning of the collapse of the elites in this country,
00:32:53.640
the financial collapse that they manufactured and they made a fortune off of.
00:32:59.220
And then because the most progressive, and hey, Bush got us into this.
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He's the worst president this country's had since Buchanan.
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Jimmy Carter, God rest his soul, and he'll have his state funeral next week.
00:33:12.380
But you got to throw Biden and you got to put Bush right there and back up Buchanan.
00:33:19.320
But Obama, the most progressive, the most progressive president in history,
00:33:24.220
did the most neoliberal bailout, bailout the elites.
00:33:28.260
The greatest concentration of wealth happened on that.
00:33:30.380
Watch how they bailed it out and how they destroyed the working class and middle class.
00:33:36.460
Even Trump's kind of three golden years of really 17, 18, 19, particularly 18 and 19,
00:33:42.380
partially recovered, but not fully, a long way from fully.
00:33:49.840
So this fight has gone on because the elites in this country that have control,
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they always want to go to where they want to crush labor.
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Or whether they allow 15 million illegal aliens to come here to compete against African-Americans
00:34:05.200
and blacks at the lower end of the skill set, or whether the private equity and venture capitalists
00:34:12.500
and hedge fund guys ship the manufacturing jobs over to China so Lao Baixing can work as
00:34:19.100
slave laborers under the dictatorial regime of the Chinese Communist Party and ship all your
00:34:24.920
So as Bhatia said, you can buy cheaper stuff here, or if they can't outsource it,
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they'll just bring them here and lie to you, bald face lie.
00:34:44.020
You want lower wages because you get higher margins.
00:34:46.200
And remember, most of these kind of what I call these companies are algorithm companies, right?
00:34:51.280
If you get those guys at a third less than that yesterday, U.S. tech workers walked us
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through the number, and Will Upton walked us through the number.
00:34:59.120
It's about, you're cutting off a third to 40% of labor cost.
00:35:10.440
That's going to get you a higher multiple in the stock market.
00:35:12.740
And that means, Elon, you're going to be richer.
00:35:17.620
Oh, as a side note on all of this, I kind of, I don't need, and I think as a citizen
00:35:26.460
of this country, what we don't need is white guys from South Africa lecturing us, like Peter
00:35:36.280
We don't need white guys from South Africa lecturing us on how the way things should be.
00:35:43.780
I don't think that country's got the greatest track record on earth, okay?
00:35:48.400
We've gone through a number of struggles ourselves, but we worked them through, okay?
00:35:52.420
Not perfect, far from perfect, but I don't need guys from South Africa telling us the
00:35:58.920
And I particularly don't need a South African telling me that the people in the United States,
00:36:08.580
Now, the good news is, and you see the fight all the way back to there where they couldn't
00:36:15.560
The good news is, you know, they talked a big game, oh, they're going to fight to the
00:36:23.200
Remember, they start off with H-1B visas has made all his companies and the rocket company
00:36:29.880
And I will fight to the, I will show you types of warfare that you can't even comprehend
00:36:38.060
To which I said, yo, Child Protective Services, can you have a wellness check on this toddler?
00:36:46.940
What they're doing now is spamming like the Twitter feed and, you know, and suppressing
00:36:53.280
Dude, we're banned everywhere and the show's bigger than ever.
00:36:55.320
And we just took you on and ripped your face off.
00:37:11.600
Well, at first you told me it was great and all the tech companies depend upon it.
00:37:21.660
No, that's all a lie and we're not buying it anymore.
00:37:33.940
Doge, the first thing at the top of your list, we want the complete eradication of this program.
00:37:47.740
And somebody said, well, Steve, why do you put, you know, we got to be together.
00:37:52.040
No, this is about the direction of our country and this is central to it.
00:37:57.200
Either citizenship means something or it doesn't.
00:38:01.340
And the one way that you get to mean something is to stop bringing the world into people's homes,
00:38:08.440
into people's own nation that they have helped build and generations of their families have
00:38:14.040
helped build and helped defend and fight for and pay taxes for and be the little platoons
00:38:22.420
And they got nothing to show for it after five or six or seven generations.
00:38:32.500
They're suppressing wages by taking the jobs to China.
00:38:41.340
And what they can't do there, they're going to bring them here.
00:38:47.520
Why do you think blacks and Hispanics voted for him?
00:38:49.520
Because they look around their cities, they go, hey, I finally got the joke.
00:38:56.320
Think of how brutal and how nasty the elites in this country are.
00:39:01.800
They would allow and actually organize, because this is all very organized.
00:39:11.900
10 to 15 million illegal alien evaders that come into this country take jobs from the folks
00:39:22.880
And here, if you've gone to engineering school, you've gone, you try to get, they're going to
00:39:26.800
import on a bald-faced lie, higher-skilled foreign workers, high-skilled foreign workers.
00:39:31.960
The skills are not any different than American citizens.
00:39:41.480
You go out of your way to gun deck the entire thing so you can do that, because they're more
00:39:46.000
The reason they've got to be compliant, in 21st century America, we have indentured servitude.
00:39:51.560
As much as that was a scar on the country in the 19th century, and we're doing it here,
00:39:56.600
in front of your eyes, and we have billionaires that are worth a fortune.
00:40:05.540
Show enough respect for the citizens of this country to just be honest.
00:40:27.700
Somebody gave me a compliment the other day in some article.
00:40:32.560
They said, this guy's a thug, but he wins at any cost.
00:40:41.280
We want to complete evisceration and eradication of this entire program.
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Two, we want everybody here on one of these visas deported immediately.
00:40:52.120
As soon as you deport these 15 years old in the same time frame, home and get a ticket for them.
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An immediate hiring of American citizens, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, gender,
00:41:06.860
to fill those jobs that American citizens should have.
00:41:13.660
We need to sit down with the companies, the private equity companies, the owners, and have a discussion.
00:41:22.440
You did this for decades and you stole people's futures.
00:41:25.560
Look how many white men, look how many black men, look how many Hispanic men are not in the workforce.
00:41:41.380
Do you understand how this eats away at the soul?
00:41:56.580
And if you guys want to continue on, we will beat you into submission.
00:42:17.360
So, Baccia, and by the way, we're calling for, we know the student program, visa program, there's, all of these are scams.
00:42:28.760
There's dozens of, they're trying to game the system against you.
00:42:37.400
We want a 1,000% total and complete moratorium on all, quote, unquote, legal.
00:42:51.120
Please, we're begging you guys, show me the excellence.
00:42:54.720
Show me how these people, these skilled foreign workers, the highly skilled foreign workers that you bring over here is essentially slave labor into the country.
00:43:07.080
And they got to be compliant to work 100 hours a week because if they don't say anything, you're going to ship them back.
00:43:12.460
And they got a shot if they keep their head down to get a green card to get through the golden door and then have chain migration.
00:43:25.180
The South Africans, you're going to lecture us?
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We're not going to be lectured by a bunch of white guys from South Africa.
00:44:04.760
One might argue he's not Tesla at that level, but he's Edison at another level.
00:44:13.760
We've had, I don't know, one or two of those in the history of this republic.
00:44:21.980
If you can work out the mathematical formulas in the engineering complexity of sending a colony of human beings to Mars and keep them alive, you can work through the math on this.
00:44:37.540
And here's how I know you know it's a bald-faced lie because you cratered as soon as we got up in your grill.
00:44:45.260
I'm not going to fight to the death and show all kind of new types of warfare.
00:44:57.020
You need to study modern political history of the fights we've been through for 12 or 14 years to get to this spot.
00:45:05.380
You think this is just because people are just wandering around?
00:45:07.800
People have worked for over a decade pounding this, pounding this, pounding this.
00:45:15.500
And that's how relentless the established order is.
00:45:20.060
Because Baccia told you they're making a lot of money and they have control.
00:45:30.820
So you're like a bucket of crabs at each other's throat.
00:45:39.000
And Karl Rowe is going to get his 54 big donors down there.
00:45:41.960
They're going to figure out how to stop Trump or how to compromise it.
00:45:44.520
And they'll use Ted Cruz or they'll use Little Marco or they'll use Jeb Bush or they don't care who they use.
00:46:05.900
So don't think you're going to come back and, oh, you know what?
00:46:08.740
Well, what we need to do is increase it here and cut that cost there.
00:46:16.980
Oh, they're, I don't know, blacklisting you, whatever they do.
00:46:24.540
And this show is one of the most powerful in the world.
00:46:27.980
Because the content of the show resonates with the most powerful audience in the world.
00:46:34.320
Working men and women that happen to be citizens of this great republic.
00:46:44.760
Some of the people say, oh, Steve, you got to, we got to have a group hug.
00:46:56.200
First off, you got to get, hey, I've said many times that Elon came and Elon's money helped organize the grassroots effort.
00:47:07.760
In his engineering mind, he saw what the problem was as we saw it, and he supported it.
00:47:18.820
It's a quarter of a billion dollars in June, not an entire cycle in five months.
00:47:22.940
But that dinner with Sachs and that check from Elon came at Biden's, you know, when Biden, you know, in the debate or right before the debate and Biden, you know, they kind of saw the numbers of where this thing was heading.
00:47:46.740
But in the old days, you know, half the saints are missionaries.
00:47:53.740
But the converts sit in the back and study for years and years and years to make sure you understand the faith and you understand the nuances of the faith and understand how you can internalize the faith.
00:48:05.500
Don't come up and go to the pulpit in your first week here and start lecturing people about the way things are going to be.
00:48:11.380
If you're going to do that, we're going to get and we're going to rip your face off.
00:48:22.040
This army of the awakens is not beatable because we're relentless and we will never surrender and we will never slow down.
00:48:29.440
And yes, if you go low, we'll go to the center of the earth.
00:48:36.820
Because we're fighting for something that means something.
00:48:43.180
This is why people come to this show and all this great content people provide us.
00:48:48.040
And Ben Burkwam's down now putting his life in danger again.
00:48:56.280
Why did, why did, when Trump started appearing in 13 or 14, we said, that's the guy.
00:49:09.320
And we're not saying, oh, just because you came late.
00:49:12.720
But you're not going to sit here and lie to us, to our face, and expect to say, oh, because you're worth $500 billion, you people that are taking money, take money.
00:49:34.540
They put me in a federal prison for four months, and I didn't care.
00:49:43.980
And that is the first step in the path to victory.
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